October 1, 2024 • 48 mins
It's Fox Sports Radio's official fantasy football podcast! Dan Beyer and Mike Harmon recap Week 4 of fantasy football, reacting to the Monday Night doubleheader and giving their instant fantasy takeaways from both games. The guys then get into the rest of the week's matchups, hitting on the biggest studs and duds through each slate, and giving you the players to chase and avoid going forward. Plus, hot waiver wire adds heading into Week 5!
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Speaker 3 (00:33):
Week four is in the books at micahb at Swallow
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at Double Dose of Monday Night Football gave us a
perfect performance by Jared Goff and a not so perfect
performance from the Miami Dolphins. Mike, we are almost a
quarter of the way in to the twenty twenty four
NFL s.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
It's the tale of two games, one that you watched,
the other that maybe you got an update every once
in a while on your phone. Even in the split
screen experience, I think you probably would have been finding
a rerun of your favorite sitcom over what the Titans
and Dolphins were offering you this evening. But yeah, I
mean we watched your Seahawks, Dan and the Lions. We
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got points all over. I mean that was your call
that you'd see a lot of points there. I'll take
the l on Jared Goff. I really thought we'd see
some defense, but also wasn't expecting half your defense to
be in street clothes when we recorded the last podcast,
like wishing, wanting, hoping that guys would make it for
game day did not happen. So we get the points
we did there. But for the Titans Dolphins, that's where
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you get into a lot of hand ringing and discussions
of man. Look Smith and I doing the show on
Fox Sports Radio as we do each night. He looked
at me and he just said, hey, is two of
the real MVP and you have to go. Well, you
see how this offense got bogged down. Clearly, Mike McDaniel
hasn't been able to pivot to find any of his
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play time and opportunity. Hell, after the game, Tyreek Hill
left without seeing reporters four catches twenty three.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
Yards beating outside the stadium that we don't know yet.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
He might have been shuttled away. But you know, a
non factor once again. And the other part is because well,
you can do it with Tyler Huntley under center. You're
sucking up into the box saying, all right, beat us
one on one and h and an absolute disastrous showing
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with just twenty nine total yards on thirteen touches.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
I'll say this, I don't I know what Jason was
getting at, but it sounds like the Dolphins were lighting
things up when he was playing.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
I mean, I know.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
They're atrocious right now, but they are atrocious right now
because they didn't plan for two to get knocked out.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Well, and that's the larger thing, Dan is. You know,
we've talked about it a lot for years about you know,
how much the backup quarterback really matters, far more than
it ever really has because you build these offenses, and
for Tua it's been about timing and for all the shortcomings,
and look, you know, Smith obviously trying to just make
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the point of you know, you can't just put the
next guy in because he fits the suit, the old
Johnny Bravo Brady Bunch reference timely, because we bridge the
gap all those sixty years in all, but just the
idea that all right, McDaniel's a genius. You've got hill
Waddle and these speedy running backs that can make plays.
So whoever steps in is gonna be good. That's not true.
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That's not true. And yes they didn't exactly light it
up before Tua got hurt either, and we all remember
how he found himself on the on the ir But yeah,
it's right now, just a lot of hand ringing. I mean,
they're averaging eleven point two five points per game through
four weeks of the campaign.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
And for some reason, I think we reference this game
a lot just because of how it turned with the
Jacksonville Dolphins game in Week one, but when you had
Etn have that fumble and the game just completely changed
on the two of the Tyreek eighty yard touchdown play.
Speaker 5 (04:15):
But again, that was you know, that.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Was a half of bad football by the Dolphins, you know,
leading into that. And the part that I just can't
get over with Miami is Skyler Thompson started the playoff
game not last year, it was the year before, So
they've kept him around doing these things for two years.
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They knew him full well. That playoff game that he
played in against Buffalo, he was eighteen of forty five
with a touchdown on two interceptions. And you can say
to yourself, Well, that was a guy being pressed into
action and wasn't necessary prepared for what they had. Okay,
that's completely completely fine if that's your take.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
But at the.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Whole point over the last what year plus, did you
really sit back and look at your quarterback room and
think like this was okay, right, that was So that's
my issue with it. And then Monday night ends up
being so bad because the week prior, Skyler Thompson was
knocked out, so you had to go and get another
quarterback because you didn't trust him Boyle, and you had
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to get him off the Ravens practice squad. So that's
that's just po're planning all around to be set up
for that. And I feel bad for the Devout h owners.
I feel bad for the Tyreek Kill Jayalen Waddle owners
because it's just pure negligence on the Dolphins, considering how
fragile too has been something that we've talked about a
bunch here and I want your flag.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Well, and that's the biggest thing, right. It's one thing
to say, hey, we need a backup. Every team needs
a backup, a functional guy. Two was a you know,
whatever extra coefficient you want to add to it based
on his history. And yes, he got through unscathed the
last year, or at least that's what we're led to believe, right,
I mean, you have no idea, but he but he
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answered the bell every Sunday, Monday, Thursday and the off
you know Wednesday, show up and post for pictures.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
He was there.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
And you know, for those that want to say that
he's done, well, who's to say he doesn't have another
year like that?
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Is it likely?
Speaker 1 (06:28):
No?
Speaker 4 (06:29):
But as an organization, especially when you're so dependent on
those on those wide receivers to make big plays, and
we know the temperament of wide receivers when the balls
not getting to them, that you were derelict in your
duties building this roster and making the assumption that he
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was going to get through another seventeen games unscathed without
having to press someone into action that can orchestrate the offense.
Maybe not as well as him, but at least to
where the functionality he doesn't have to be ripped up
and you have to draw up a new playbook. Yeah,
I mean, it's just an absolute abhorrence to what you
were were trying to do and the level of genius
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that had been anointed Mike McDaniel.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
I think you're gonna really have to. I think you're
gonna have to have to consider benching Tyreek Hill if
you've got other options available.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Yeah, I don't know how creative you can get with
him in the as a runner, right, because you got
a little bit of that. Okay, So he gets to
forty one total yards on the night before, catches twenty
three yards. One of those was for seventeen yards.
Speaker 5 (07:38):
Dan, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Mean here's the stats.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
You got nineteen three point six four and then what
did you have four for twenty What do you got
about a seven point eight point game tonight or Thursday
night as we're recording the podcast. I mean, just an
absolute disaster.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Here's the thing that you you fret when you're playing
Tyreek Hill? Is you fret one hundred and fifty yards
three touchdowns?
Speaker 5 (08:05):
You know?
Speaker 3 (08:06):
You know one of them's an eighty five yard touchdown,
just racks up fifteen points whatever, just like that.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
That's not going to happen.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
So even if his numbers get better, you're not going
to miss out on that game because that game doesn't
exist anymore. So if you want to be cautious and
not play him. I'm totally fine with it because I
would need to see that one hundred yard game with
a touchdown before I would even feel comfortable to play
Tyreek Hill. And the real reason on why you would
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be afraid to bench him is you're going to lose
out on a monster game like Kenneth Walker the third.
You know this injury that he came back from. I'm
sure there was a bunch of people. I think Yahoo
said half their leagues people had benched Shenneth Walker the third, Well,
you're kicking yourself.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
Guess what.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
You're not gonna have to kick yourself because Tyreek Hill
is not going to provide that type of game for you.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
And if he does, then you know, some fantasy gods
decided just dictate that kind of performance. Because I don't
know how you could have watched this. Again, I watched it,
so the rest of you out there didn't have to.
But if you saw it, I mean, it was awful.
And then his effort or lack thereof on the lateral
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that ends up being a turnover was was again, I
mean just just shameful.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
And then he left without speaking to reporters.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
What about the Titans side of things because the Will
Levis era, I don't know if it's over yet, but
it hasn't gotten off to a great start in the
Brian Callahan era. And then Mason Rudolph comes in and
just holds the fourth down kind of like he did
in Pittsburgh, and the Titans leave Miami with a win.
Speaker 5 (09:49):
Boom for.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Tony Pollard and Tajy Spears, but wide receiver wise, how
do you look at the Titans now with what's going
on with Levis and Mason Rudolph.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
I don't think you could play anybody at this point, right,
Hopkins hits four targets on the game, two catches thirty
one yards, Boyd two for thirty thirty one with a
long of twenty seven. I think Tony Pollard's your only
playable option. And folks cheered him because he scores late
to take the game to the total which was thirty
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six and a half, as well as the anytime touchdown
prop that gets him in. But I mean that's where
right oh, when Will Lews did throw the interception, So
if you hadn't any you know, the anytime interception for them,
he at least gave you that for your parlay cards.
Before he left. But yeah, I mean, Mason, Rudolph's not
gonna light up scoreboards. They're going to try to go
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to that Pittsburgh model, and the defense is pretty solid.
I mean, obviously going up against this iteration of the
Dolphins isn't the litmus test, but we've seen it through
the first four weeks. They've bad some stretches where the
defense has been pretty good, only to have Levis's mind
numbingly bad single plays because he came in completing sixty
nine percent of his passes on the year. There have
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been some good things from Will Levis at times, except for,
you know, the one thing that.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Costs them games.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
So Rudolph he won't make those mistakes, but he's not
gonna push the ball to give you any glory touches either.
So it's Tony Pollard and the fact that they got
spears up to fifteen touches or fifteen carries, I should
say two receptions out of the backfield that maybe maybe
you can get a little more there to where he
becomes a flexworthy play. While Pollard's firmly established as.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
A number two.
Speaker 6 (11:32):
Are you benching Calvin Ridley?
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Yeah, yeah, I'm done with all of them. It's I
think what Dan was just saying with Tyreek Hill. I mean,
let's take it a bigger factor, right, Tyreek Hill greater
than I mean, Galvinrdley's a good receiver. Tyreek Hill is
a better receiver and they can't break him. I don't
know that Mason Rudolph or Will Levis is suddenly gonna
be able to unquirk things to get that out of target.
Speaker 5 (11:57):
Yeah. Ian Roddy's our executive producer.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
And I'm glad that that you had mentioned Calvin Ridley
because I feel the similar way, not with it, not
with how Tyreek is, but with the Titans. Somebody may
have a one hundred yard games in a touchdown, but
I'm not. I'm not playing roulette to find out who
that's gonna be on what week?
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Yeah, Ridley coming in like before the h the points
got added. I'm looking at the Fantasy Pro site right
where they give you the giant grid of points per game.
Uh and just looking from a from a PPR standpoint,
when you look at Ridley, You're you're coming coming away
with you know, the just two awful games and one
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monster game before this one?
Speaker 5 (12:40):
Right?
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Eight points? All right?
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Eight points is fine, but you're expecting more twenty four
point seven, one point nine and then the effort tonight
where you get one point five points. Oh I'm sorry, no, no, no,
you also got a ten yard rushing attempt, so two
point five points, but the point all the same. And
as you're saying, Dan, I mean you're gonna have games
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where Hopkins becomes that guy and who knows. I mean,
offense still trying to find its way, Mason Rudolph being
the backup maybe one of those guys that was one
of his favorites running with the twos this offseason finds
a little bit of daylight. But until we get that
established for two or three weeks, awful hard to justify
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putting someone in.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Yeah, if you've if you've got no one else obviously dead,
Ne're going to have to play them. But I would
I would rather just take second and third options from
maybe other teams that are more viable than to have
to play DeAndre Hopkins or Calvin Ridley.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
That's just that's something that I don't want to deal with.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Plus it would also mean that I don't have to
watch any Titans games, which would be a much bigger
boom than anything, Mike, because they could be a tough
watch at times. And I'll say this, and I'm and
I'm joking and saying that, but I'm not joking, And
I think everybody knows that. It makes you wonder what
their goals as an organization really are this year because
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Will Levis was only a second round pick last year.
And Will Levis is not this coaching regimes quarterback. It
is the GM's pick, but again it's only a second
round pick. So to sit there and think that you're
going to be invested in that you have to squeeze
more juice out of Will Levis, I don't think is
necessarily true.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
No, especially if it's going to cause your first year
head coach to have an aneurysm.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Yeah, and I only say that.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
I mean, I don't mean to be rude to anybody
from a physical standpoint, but it's just you watched him
the first three weeks. I mean, how many times was
there a shot on the sideline of my man? Does
not look well after the Will Levis decision, and he's
certainly venting. We had to beleep him out quite a bit.
It's like the Applebe's commercial with Dan Campbell where you
got to hold up the menu. Call I think we
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have to do that just superficially for Callahan where we
put that graphic in anytime you see him on camera
because he's cursing out his quarterback. It's not good for
business and that and that is to say, you know,
they still score. They scored thirty one points today, yet
there's no there's no confidence of how that's going to
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come across from the passing game. Yeah right, it's the
run game and then hope that maybe we find some continuity.
But yeah, there's better offenses with you know, more established
WR twos than trying to pick one out of here.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
They've got a buy in week five as the Boys begin,
then the matchup with the Colts, but after that you're
looking at Bills, Lions, Patriots, Chargers, Vikings, and then the
Texans after that. So even even the break of New England,
like New England's defense is still gonna get after you
a bit. And yeah, that's just that's that's why then
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I wonder at some point like this this Tennessee just
like all right, we'll just play for a top five
pick so we can get our quarterback in the future.
At some point I think that's going to be the case.
You may wondering why we haven't talked a ton about
Lions and Seahawks. I think the reason is, Mike is
you just want to play everybody on both those teams.
If you've got guys, you're basically going to play them.
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Like from what we saw on Monday night, there's no
reason for us to analyze anything.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
The only thing that I'm really analyzing is.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
As a Seahawks fan, seeing what Gino Smith did Monday night,
and he's done this before, and seeing the struggles that
some of the you know, rookie quarterbacks are having, specifically
Bo Nicks in Denver, even though they're winning football games,
he's thrown for sixty yards, Like, give me that. I
don't want the Seahawks to have that problem of trying
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to get a rookie quarterback and someone a custom I
am now all in on the Geno Smith train, sticking
around for as long as he wants or he.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
Starts to fall off.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
But I don't see any reason why anybody would not
play a Seahawk or not play a Lion in their
fantasy line.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Now, I mean, you still have the opportunity even as
Zach Charboney with Walker the third coming back, I'll had
five catches for thirty nine yards. Is it a monster game?
Speaker 5 (17:03):
No?
Speaker 4 (17:03):
Add the fifteen yards rushing, but overall, I mean it's
still at ten point night potentially from a flex right,
So we're looking for touches in opportunity Hopkins, No, that's it,
or Calvin Ridley or just gone down. But it's just
to the point of passing games have been so suspect
and it's a much larger thing that we've been talking
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about the sample size through the first couple of weeks.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
But I agree with your assessment of Gino.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
It's as much as you know, we can go back
in his history and say what and how, and usually
when the Jets get involved, we laugh a bit and
we move on. But it's the idea of all right,
I've got a stable quarterback that I know what I'm
going to get week to week, and I can build
around that versus trying to fit a guy in, maybe
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on a terrible team, and maybe we'll come around to it.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
Right.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
I mean the comments that Kevin O'Connell had the other day,
and part of it is self serving because he's got
a Darnold there again, ex Jet now good.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
But the idea that.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Organizations fail young quarterbacks before the young quarterbacks failed the organizations.
I thought it was an interesting comment and it's a
you know, an extension of some of the conversations you
and I certainly have had on this podcast and shows
we've done together Dan for years of all right, we
draft a guy, we have to play him. Well, is
he ready? Is the team ready? Like, look at what
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New England's doing right Drake may Man. Look Jacoby Brissett
right now is being used as a human shield.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
And then they brought Drake.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
May in in that game in the final minutes and
you got watched him get ragged dolled multiple times, Like
why why subjective to that at this point when your team's.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Not ready yet? We feel like we need the well,
the clock's running, gotta play him.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
It's it's if Drake may sat the whole year, nothing's
gonna change.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
With the way in my mind, right, So.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Right, if you believe he's your guy, this is not
the team and the offensive line to try to throw
him out to prove something like what's to be gained?
Speaker 3 (19:10):
And we're already and where you know, Drod Mayo is
already being asked about it, like when is Drake may time?
Speaker 5 (19:16):
You know, when is this thing going to happen?
Speaker 4 (19:18):
Yeah, I just I don't understand. It's like and and
I feel sorry for Jacoby Prissett. He's a guy I've
liked for a long time. That's why you brought him
in here.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
Right, he is the bridge guy. He's the guy that's
got to try to impart some knowledge on the on
the kid, as it were. But he's also the guy
that's got to take the beating while this team isn't
ready to compete.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
Absolutely, And so I think more teams would. It would
behoove them to take that kind of approach. And for
you in Seattle, look, you may not rank Geno any
better than fifteenth. You know, if you're doing the one
through thirty two, I don't know where he'd rank. I've
never sat and done that exercise. But the reality is,
I know week to week the professional that he is,
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and that he's going to keep getting up and he's
going to put me into good spots.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Yeah, and so.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
Many of these young quarterbacks. I mean the bow Knicks
thing yesterday Sunday against the Jets was just I mean,
that was bad. Aaron Rodgers wasn't much better, mind you, sure,
But but for bow Nicks right right now, I mean
there's not a lot of positives. Yeah, that that are
coming off the page.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
He was seven to fifteen at one point for negative
seven yards. That was that was a true stat They
had lost seven yards passing. And it's not college where
you get sacked and you count against your passing yards.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
This was Yeah, this was not good. It was bad.
Speaker 6 (20:39):
I'm pretty sure that was his line at halftime.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
Dan, was that what it was? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Seven yards?
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Yeah, it was not good in Sex Sex Conner's rushing
yards in college, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
In college they do, but not in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
Yeah, yeah, I knew they didn't in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
But I said passing yards and then I'm like, wait
a seconds rushing yards that I needed to correct myself.
But still point being, yeah, it was not good. It
was not good for of Bonnicks and Gino Smith gets
the ball to his players Jackson Smith and jigbu dk
Metcalf twelve targets Tyler Lockett at nine.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
You take me from behind, but you get the ball
to the guys that need to get the football.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
But it's also the you'll take what a defense gives
you as opposed to pressing. Yeah, right, that's the other
thing a veteran quarterback gets you. Now you have the
other side, which is you know, the minshees of the
world where they don't have a conscience. I got to
make a play and I'll throw it in harm's way,
which I appreciate at times. But there's also recognizing when
you have the trio of receivers like you do. They're
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in Seattle. Not to mention what he hit like ten
or eleven different guys in this game with at least
one percent, and they had thirty eight first downs, right,
that was the stat thirty eight first out. I mean,
you're moving the ball right and again I think his
pass gets held against him. Now getting punched in the
face with all the on the plane, I mean, that's
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a story that lives forever. But he's a guy that's
been a good professional and for the Seahawks, a hell
of a find.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Yeah, I think that's I think that's distant memory too.
Maybe it sticks in your mind, but I think more
people now remember of they tried to write me off
but I didn't write back, which still makes a good line,
makes no sense whatsoever, but yeah, it worked for him
that night, and it's been working for him the last
couple of years. He's Mike carbon I'm Dan By. Our
executive producer is Ian Roddy. We went super long there,
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so we'll try to trim it up. But there's a
bunch of stuff from week four that we got to
get to. Jane Daniels amazing, where shee Rice's injury, how
that's gonna play out justin fields. Sure looks like he's
gonna be the Steelers starter for a long time. And
did we look into our crystal ball with the Indianapolis Colts.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
Don't blame us. He's Mike. I'm Dan.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
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I didn't I didn't predict this, Mike, but we had
talked about it because I think it was a legitimate storyline.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
Anthony Richardson's health with.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
The Indianapolis Colts and we said, hey, this may be
the time to go out and get Michael Pittman Junior,
because at some point you think something's probably gonna happen
to him. Well that was this past Sunday. You'll win
against the Pittsburgh Steelers and Joe Flacco comes in. Now
the Colts end up throwing the football all around. We
think Anthony Richardson is going to be fine. But now,
how do we look at the Indianapolis Colts with their
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quarterbacking position a little bit in flux because of the
Richardson injury.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
Well, I mean, you hate to be that guy, but
you look it down, you look at Pittman and you
raise an eyebrow thinking, all right, maybe there's some more
play to be had here. Look, I'll take the l on.
Pittman took the under on his yardage. After three weeks
of inactivity, gets a couple of big hitters early finishes
six for one thirteen Josh downs missed the early part
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of the season. He's back eight for eighty two and
a touchdown. We talked about him an awful lot last year,
Dan waiting for him to break through in an opportunity,
but not only did they lose Richardson in this game,
and it looks like he's avoided serious injury. But now
you got a hip added to the other injuries that
we've seen in the past.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
It's one of those.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Once he finished like half the games that he started
in the NFL made Joe Flacco is going to see
time sixteen to twenty six, one hundred and sixty eight
and two. Took a couple sacks, and you had that
terrible call against Fitzpatrick. But you know, referees or they're
doing the best they can. Dan, but Joe Flacco, you
know what you're gonna get. We were talking about Geno
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with veterans. I mean, Joe Flacco was the guy if
I had any extra ability to move money around for
a team like Miami or one of these where I
know my quarterback like they did here in Indianapolis, where
my quarterback might be subject to an injury maybe a
little easier than others. Yeah, Flacco's the guy would have
thrown money at consummate pro comes in.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Is he still elite?
Speaker 4 (24:59):
I don't know, but he looked pretty damn good against
a good Pittsburgh defense for one day. Now, that Jonathan
Taylor question comes up as well, yeah, high ankle again,
looks like he avoided something that's going to sideline him forever.
But suddenly Trey Sermon pops up on the waiver wire
and only five carries for eight yards against the Steelers,
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but becomes a viable option. But yeah, Anthony Richardson was
a guy we were already, you know, hesitant to say
indoors as a lineup play based on his forty nine
percent completion rate, even with the big plays and the
big running plays, I think I had to hold my
breath a little too much to try to get him
to the finish line at the Fantasy Fantasy Stables there.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
You know.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
I know Mike wanted to discredit some of his information
that he gave out on Friday, but I'm just gonna
tell you this. He had Gino Smith as a hot
play that sures Heck seemed to work out. He had
Justin Fields as a ninja that sures Heck's to work out.
See if you're worthy big play as the ninja play,
(26:04):
Jamison Williams ninja play, I think you're being a little
bit too hard on yourself. Hey, DJ More even got
into the end zone. He did, Yes, how about that?
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Yeah, but the miss has hurt me more, especially when
it's guys that it's like, all right, I know you
want to start him, but he got to put the
cautionary tale and then they make me look foolish.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
But that's okay.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
But yeah, the Justin Fields on the other side of that, Dan,
since you brought his name up three twelve in a touchdown,
two on the ground, including fifty five yards ten carries,
I mean he's going to be your leading rusher, it
would appear. I mean Cordero Paratterson came in and gave
him a boost and then he got hurt. Harris better
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as a receiver out of the backfield than he's been
as a runner. And we have no idea when Warren
comes back.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
So yeah, for.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
Justin Fields, he's become your best two way threat. And
for George Pickens a lot of targets and if he
did fumble the ball in one of the odder looking
plays I've ever seen, you know who knows how that
game actually ends, and maybe you get an extra scoring
strike out of Fields.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
I find this matchup now against Dallas because you're not
gonna have Parsons, You're not gonna have the Marcus Lawrence right,
And so now now it opens up even more in
what is the game of the week, the game that
everybody's watching and gonna have their eyes on Cowboys and Steelers.
Speaker 5 (27:26):
And now it gives you this opportunity.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
And it's also going to be in comparison to the
sixty million dollar man Dak Prescott. So justin fields, it
really has a way to really make a name for himself.
I will say that from the fantasy perspective, he was
a lot more valuable, Like there were there were points
in that game against the Colts that I felt that
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maybe they could have maybe they missed Russell Wilson or
what he could have done in those situations. But it's
just really difficult to argue when you put up the
stat line like he did, you know, three hundred and
fourteen yards and the touchdowns on the ground, to really
think that that's gonna change anything and sufficient enough, I
would think in Mike Tomlin's eyes, considering that you just
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expected a little bit more from your defense against Indy.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Well, and that's it.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
And there's plenty of ISO plays of the bear hugs
put on TJ.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Watt.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
Yeah, which is funny because we're throwing flags all over
the place, and then you can see those egregious holds
that they get away with, not just for wat but
for you know, a number of the big behemoths getting
up front, you know, protect the pass or whatever, I
guess by any means necessary. But yeah, the fields turnover
the fumble when he could have just dived back on
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the ball and instead trying to make a play and
lost it. Like that's the kind of thing that you know,
Mike Tomlin, I think that's that's enough to put a
bunch of demerits to take away from everything else you did.
That was great because that play was just silly. That
play was dead. Get on the ball and move on.
But overall, you know, acquitted himself pretty well. And you know,
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up before Caleb Williams and the Bears got the win
against the Rams, you know, running the ball north south
is a good thing.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Good job, DeAndre Swift.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
Glad you got all my Shawshank redemption style letters about
that one. Rashawn Johnson did find the end zone, so
I didn't look like a complete idiot.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
No, But.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
Yes, but that that all to say that, you know,
there were people already doing the handwringing going. We could
have had fields, We should have had fields, and we
could have done this this this like shut up, it's
week four.
Speaker 5 (29:36):
It'll take time. It's yeah, it will.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
But again, I think that the Bears are going to
clean house after the season, and then hopefully Ryan Poles
will end up hiring someone that will really be able
to take this group of players who I think are
really good sands maybe the offensive line, Mike, and lift
them to higher heights. From my lips to God, God's ears.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Were you trying to throw up a crew he'd line
while you.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Were at aude Jade and Daniels twenty six thirty two
hundred and thirty three yards a touchdown. Another Washington Commander's
victory forty seven yards on the ground, a touchdown run
The Commanders keep rolling, considering how bad the quarterback play
had been for the first three weeks, and now what
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Daniels has been able to do, My goodness, he makes
makes a lot of people who took him in their
fantasy leagues look very very good, considering maybe even some
of those top ten guys haven't lived up to their
top ten rankings. And hear jadon Daniels doing it week
in and week out, whether it be with his legs.
Speaker 5 (30:42):
Or with his arm.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
Got to say, at this point, Dan, he becomes I mean,
no worse, he's gonna be on the metal stand. I
think each week in terms of fantasy quarterbacks until proven otherwise,
I mean, we always do the Oh, they'll get tape
on them. Well, twenty eight points, what was it? Thirteen
point game, So a little bit of a slow down there,
but they efficiency there twenty eight points. And then in
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twenty five the top four quarterbacks. Actually we'll do five
because we'll bring him in, Jayden Daniels, Lamar Jackson, Baker Mayfield,
Sam Darnold and Josh Allen Wow sixth justin fields. So
you know, when you look at the guys that would
have been drafted early, and they're not too far off
the pace when you look at Stroud and Burrow. But
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I mean, with everything going on in Kansas City, are
you trusting Patrick Mahomes right now?
Speaker 2 (31:30):
No?
Speaker 5 (31:31):
No?
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Right?
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Rashid Rice probably done for the year, Worthy and Dravis
Kelcey and what else? What other band aid? What other
trade can you find? Brock Perty's number twelve, Joe Burrow
number eleven.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
C J.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
Stroud had himself a day. The Jacksonville defense looked good
until they didn't. And Nico Collins, you know, Nico Collins
is the number one receiver in fantasy football right now. Yeah,
monster game in Week four. But you know that is
to say a lot of the guys we were banking
on big opportunities from I mean, if you'd be drafted
Jayden Daniels, odds are he wasn't your starter. So now
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it becomes a you might be drafted, you might have
a position to strength to go four to five, the
trade market wide receiver or running back to somebody desperate
after Week four.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
The funny thing with Daniels, and I'm going to use
the Falcons as an example, is who would you trust
the veteran quarterback and the first year coordinator or do
you trust the rookie quarterback and the coordinator who is
the former head coach? And I'm going with the rookie
quarterback and the former head coach. We think that Kirk
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Cousins is going to lift all boats in Atlanta, and
it hasn't necessarily been the case. Drake London's been better
than he was last year. But when you see what
Kingsbury does and what Kingsbury's offense is Mike even if
they're even if their defense gives up twenty eight in
the first half, it's going to be even better for
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him in the second half.
Speaker 5 (33:02):
And the only reason.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
Why that Giant's numbers stunk so much is because they
just couldn't put it in the end zone. But they
still got seven field goals out of it. So yeah,
I don't find many blemishes with Jayden Daniels in the
road that the Commanders have, even if they're playing tough games,
and they got blown out by the Buccaneers and the
first week and he still was able to put up
points in that game.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
Still going to get your fantasy points distribution. Week four,
they played without Austin Eckler who was out, so Brian
Robinson owners get a little bit of a boost and
we'll see how long that lasts. But I mean, right now,
they're pulling the strings really well in Atlanta, and Kyle
Pitts is invisible. B Jon Robinson still seems like he's
in that box that Arthur Smith had him in sure,
(33:45):
So I mean you're not getting much in the way.
I mean, they won the game against New Orleans like
that was fun, just from the oddity of it, because
it didn't make any sense, right. We talked about how
bad and future Denver New York was, or the Monday
Night or Tennessee versus Miami, that Atlanta New Orleans game
(34:06):
made no sense for much of it, and yet here's
young Way coup from fifty eight to finish it off.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
It was like, what the hell?
Speaker 4 (34:14):
I mean you had to be on you probably would
just take it over on Fox Sports Radio as that
was going final or just about so.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
Well, because we don't start until five Eastern. We get
at usually at the end of the first quarter of
the late games, so this one was still.
Speaker 5 (34:29):
Not in our window.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Okay, but I had young Way coup on one of
my fantasy teams and he gave me fourteen points.
Speaker 5 (34:36):
It was.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
It was amazing and also cover the spread in a
picks poll. I don't know what the spread ended up
being at kickoff, but when I got it, it was
a point and a half for the Falcon so it
was doubly doubly good for me.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
How about that?
Speaker 5 (34:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (34:53):
But yeah, the point being with Jade Daniels, I mean, eventually,
I don't think it turns into an absolute pumpkin. I mean,
and certainly there's a lot of concerns and there were
coming in about his frame and whatever. Seems to be
doing just fine through four weeks. A couple of times
there's hits that maybe it's a second of anxiousness after
he takes the hit, but it's hard to argue with
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the results. Kingsbury's, you know, doing a great job. We
always wonder about coaches, you know where the ceiling is
as coordinator versus head man. All right, now he's certainly
found his stride and doing some wonderful things there in Washington.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Hit him up at Swollen don't find me at Dan
Byer on Fox and Ian Roddy, our executive producer. You
can find at Ian Roddy Underscore. We're gonna check our
report cards from last week, Ian Streaming Defense, my Survivor
pick points at Palooza, and of course the Oasis song,
plus a huge injury to Rashid rise of the Kansas
City Chiefs. Mike's gonna tell you how you deal with
(35:49):
that if he's on your fantasy roster. Plus give you
the waiver wire pickups that you need for week five,
and trust me, you're gonna need him because buys are starting.
That's next here and I want your flex. Welcome back
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from my Survivor pool picks may have to turn into
a multiple week band, Mike Carmen, because I gave you
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the jets in week four, I'm giving you losers each week.
Speaker 5 (36:13):
So maybe the best bet would be just to.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Fade my Survivor picks and you could continue to stay
alive if you're in maybe second chance pools. And even
took my advice earlier. Broncos did me in in week.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
Four fading buyer. There's how do we come up with
the proper name for it. It's been a rough run though. Man,
it's like picking games like I'm far better against the
number this year than I am.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Straight up.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
Sure call you Dane Dan Seller, I'll tell you if
we started out, I'm nicely done.
Speaker 5 (36:44):
Well, that's okay, and you can keep it in.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Because for my nineteen plus years at Fox Sports Radio,
we have tried to come up with a buyer or
seller segment. We never have, but last week on Doug Gottlieb,
I did come up with an idea Buyer's remorse, where
I tell you all the things that I thought were
gonna happen and then didn't, and so I was wrong
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on the Minnesota Vikings. I also said I believed in
the New York Jets or I felt that Joe Shane
something we talked a little bit on the podcast as well.
Speaker 5 (37:17):
So I did come up with that play on wordsly.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
So when I was knocked out in week three of
my Big Survivor pool, I couldn't feel bad really because
I would have gotten knocked out in week four if
I would have survived, because I was surely going to
pick the Jets in that pool. But oh well, I'll
be back to fight another day in week five. Ian
Roddy gives you a streaming defense each week, and this
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past week, Ian it.
Speaker 6 (37:41):
Was the Houston Texans, which did not go very well.
So yeah, we're gonna try to get back this week.
Houston Texans finished with only one singular fantasy point, so
as long as they didn't lose, you points were you know,
we're at least okay, Bud.
Speaker 5 (37:55):
You had to put that silver lining on it.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Yeah, you're also probably thought they should have got the
safe on the final play.
Speaker 5 (38:01):
I was no way they should have.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
Yeah, well, you know, yeah, and if Trevor Lawrence could
hit a ball deep, he would have gotten into negative points.
But that's a whole other But alas he candle a fish, as.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
They say, no, he does not put the ball where
it needs to be right now, that is that is
not good.
Speaker 4 (38:18):
Yeah, had one for Thomas, one for Kirk, and I
stopped counting.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
I had in my oasis song was where did it
all go Wrong? And it was about the Cleveland Browns
and where did this all go wrong? And I said,
Amari Cooper is going to be my guy, look for
the breakout.
Speaker 5 (38:38):
And he had an eighty two.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
Yard touchdown wiped out because of a holding penalty, so
he ends up with four catches for thirty five.
Speaker 5 (38:46):
So that was not good advice.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
But as Mike touchdown and off the top, I did
say points of Balooza was going to be Seahawks Lions,
and it sure as heck turned out to be on
Monday night. So at least I have that feather in
my cap for my report card.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
And you had the opportunity. Look it gets wiped out
by penalty. You can't you can't do anything with that, right.
All you can hope is that he figures into the game. Script,
so they try to get him the ball right like
whenever we get into these discussions. And I've always been
willing to play the the WWE, inspired WCW, whichever your
favorite wrestling hell, the guys from the show, Heels.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
Whatever federation you want.
Speaker 4 (39:22):
Dystopia is that I could I take you down the water,
you know, to the water hole, and if I get
you to drink, I did my job right. And because
in the end they got to go play sixty minutes.
If the logic works in your mind to where you
come on board with me, then then we did it.
And if it all goes to hell, I'll wear it.
(39:42):
I'll you could blame me if it makes you feel better.
But yeah, I mean the fact that Cooper had an
eighty two yard touchdown taken away.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
All you could say was there was.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
Going to be opportunity because we saw a lot of
big plays wiped out by questionable flags that were thrown
this week.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
And I'll all say this because I want to give
you a room for waiver wires and how Rashi Rice
owners are going to have to deal with his likely
absence for a significant period of time. You can always
check out the Fox Sports Radio Weekends podcast, Mike obviously
teaming up with Bucky Brooks and Andy Furman on Sunday Mornings.
Sunday afternoons, it's me and Carrie Rhoades. You can always
(40:21):
get Mike obviously with Jason Smith on The Jason Smith
Show with Mike harmon weeknights on Fox Sports Radio. But
I did go off for about five minutes on Kevin
Stefanski's timeout usage late in their game against the Raiders,
in a game that I don't think anybody cared about,
but it was so egregious. I'm not gonna waste your
time here, but you can go check out the podcast
what Carry and I did this past weekend, and you
(40:43):
could tell me why I was. You could tell why
I was so mad at the Browns head coach moving
on Rashie rice knee injury friendly fire from his own quarterback.
But now we expect Rashi Rice at the time of
this recording to miss the rest of the season. What
do you do with the Chiefs? What do you do
if you are a Rashi rights owner? In fantasy football?
Speaker 4 (41:04):
We've already been talking the last couple of weeks where
Patrick Mahomes are starting to slide down into the can
I trust him kind of phase? And going forward, you
got Travis kelce and will we get a bigger day
from Xavier Worthy. Yeah, maybe the target count comes up,
maybe sky Moore has the breakthrough we've been waiting on,
(41:25):
or maybe there's a secret option that comes out. See again,
you know, he comes from behind the giant drapes like
it's a WWE surprise entrance, because that's what we're looking for.
We're looking for a trade, someone to invigorate them. I mean,
you got Kareem Hunt, so as a runner and receiver,
he'll see more touches going forward, but that doesn't solve
any of the problems overall. So Mahomes becomes a starter
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in QB two leagues. I hate that we're you know,
vanquishing all these would be fantasy stalwarts. Travis Kelcey stays
the top ten tight end. But otherwise we're going to
the wire and trying to find a little bit of
love because Rice had become that guy that was eating
up a lot of targets and headspace for Patrick Mahomes.
And right now, I gotta imagine Rashid Rice got a
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hell of a gift from his quarterback based on that play.
Speaker 3 (42:13):
Let's get to the waiver wire pickups four. Week five. Again,
buys are starting. The buys are here. There's nothing you
can do about it. We also have a London game,
Ian's Jets taking on the Minnesota Vikings, so you'll want
to get your lineups in early on Sunday if you
have any Jets or Vikings in them. But the Lions, Titans, Eagles,
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and Chargers all off.
Speaker 5 (42:36):
In Week five. Mike, who are we looking at on
the waiver wire?
Speaker 4 (42:39):
Well, we miss some heavyweights there. Let's start with the
quarterback position. We'll start with your guy, Gino. Still only
owned in about forty percent of leagues. All right, that
won't happen. After the showing he had against.
Speaker 5 (42:50):
Detroit, the Giants come to town on week five.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
You got the Giants.
Speaker 4 (42:53):
Giants, You're an interesting squad to me, much better than
perhaps the final product looks again, Daniel Jones. Is he
another one of those young quarterbacks that can't push the
ball downfield?
Speaker 2 (43:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (43:04):
I think so, justin fields only thirty three percent owned.
Batt'll change again, looking at the way he's utilized as
a runner and the passing game getting more and more confidence.
Friar Mouth was back in the mix a little bit
in week four, and obviously Pickens and he have developed
a rapport that's only going to get better, So opportunity there.
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Joe Flacco might be weak to week we'll see what
Anthony Richardson's status is. But this becomes the defensive play
because I think we're going to see much more of Flacco.
I dare say it before the and I hate to
because I hate seeing young quarterbacks off the field, but
we've seen it time and again. And that was a
big hit on the hip. He tried to go and
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then crumpled, you know, on the next play, So that
goes away. We'll look at the running back position, Trey
Sermon that we talked about with Taylor waiting on his injury.
Kareem Hunt again with Kansas City, trying to find lightning
in the bottle, find another playmaker with all of the
different injuries that they've suffered. So he'll see you. Carson
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Steele was a great story. He's not an answer to
the question of who replaces Pacheco, but Kareem Hunt maybe
he is. How about this guy twenty five percent of
leagues Nick Chubb is available.
Speaker 5 (44:22):
Ah, Yes, back.
Speaker 4 (44:23):
To practice reportedly on Wednesday. Maybe a little jolt to things.
Not to say that Jerome Ford hadn't been good in spots,
but there's a much bigger presence Nick Chubb brings to
the table if he's one hundred percent, much like we
watched Dereck Henry doing with the Baltimore Ravens and how
much it opens things up. Tank Bigsby ETN. Suffered a
(44:45):
shoulder injury in that Week four game. Not sure if
it sidelines him, but maybe judicious in the touch count
going forward. We've had a lot of talk about Zamir
White and his futility. So Alexander Madison still a guy
on our radar here, as is Tyler all Jeer. Yeah,
I know he's John Robinson owners. You went hard at
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the top of the draft, but they're trying to find
a spark for that offense that has had its issues.
And then the obligatory Rashawn Johnson mentioned wide receivers where
we need to make some Hey though, Wandale Robinson target
count from the Giants, get him in Xavier Legette. So
long as Andy Dalton slinging the ball around, no Adam feeling.
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Someone else has to step up. Into a spot. You
can pick your poison With the Packer receivers outside of
Jim Reid, I don't know that I trust any of them,
but I guess i'd go down Tavi and Wicks if
I had to make a choice there. Trey Tucker of
the Raiders gets on our radar, as does DeMarcus Robinson
(45:48):
of the Rams. All of those are lightly owned a
third or less in fantasy leagues coming into week five.
Speaker 3 (45:54):
Yeah, the Packers wide receiver situation is so unique because
Wicks it's been the guy that's gotten the most hype
but hasn't lived up to the hype. And now Watson
being dinged up. He did have thirteen targets Wicks had
this past weekend, so maybe it's his opportunity to burst
onto the scene. But as he said, you know, Jaden
(46:17):
Reid so valuable seven catches one hundred and thirty nine
yards and that lost to Minnesota. But curious to see
I'm actually just curious to see on Jordan Love because
I know his numbers looked great, but he just seemed
a little bulky with that knee. Yeah, interceptions, I don't
know if it's the Vikings, I don't know if it's
the knee, but they are in LA to take the
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Rams on in week five.
Speaker 4 (46:38):
That just seemed like a game where I still questioned
him being on a field. Yeah, he and Justin Herbert
right now. I know the the Chargers had given up
a game coming into week four, but you're still you're
still playing for January or trying to sure and now
injuries have beset them all over and then you had
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the suspend, should have Derwin James and everything else. But
for the Packers you got two wins with Malik Willis,
who you brought off the scrap heap. You got him
into your system and you were able to do enough
with balance to win a couple of games. It seems
like you should have bought some time. And I know
the final stats and everything look fine, and you made
it a game late, but it's just one of those
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things watching him try to battle early in that game,
and how he was throwing the ball and trying to
avoid hits and and just any type of contact whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
Dan like he wasn't able to step into most of
his throws.
Speaker 4 (47:36):
Yeah, most of the day it was I'm falling away
and trying not to get the drive by hit.
Speaker 3 (47:43):
Just seeing Bulky was just the not Balky from perfect
straight nicely yes, Bulky like Costco, Hey cousin, don't be ridiculous.
All right, that's a dated reference. Ian, It's from a
sitcom that if you watch today, you're like, why did
I watch it when I was younger? All Right, that's
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gonna be it for I want your flights. We'll just
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at Double Dose of Monday Night Football gave us a
perfect performance by Jared Goff and a not so perfect
performance from the Miami Dolphins. Mike, we are almost a
quarter of the way in to the twenty twenty four
NFL s.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
It's the tale of two games, one that you watched,
the other that maybe you got an update every once
in a while on your phone. Even in the split
screen experience, I think you probably would have been finding
a rerun of your favorite sitcom over what the Titans
and Dolphins were offering you this evening. But yeah, I
mean we watched your Seahawks, Dan and the Lions. We
(01:15):
got points all over. I mean that was your call
that you'd see a lot of points there. I'll take
the l on Jared Goff. I really thought we'd see
some defense, but also wasn't expecting half your defense to
be in street clothes when we recorded the last podcast,
like wishing, wanting, hoping that guys would make it for
game day did not happen. So we get the points
we did there. But for the Titans Dolphins, that's where
(01:37):
you get into a lot of hand ringing and discussions
of man. Look Smith and I doing the show on
Fox Sports Radio as we do each night. He looked
at me and he just said, hey, is two of
the real MVP and you have to go. Well, you
see how this offense got bogged down. Clearly, Mike McDaniel
hasn't been able to pivot to find any of his
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play time and opportunity. Hell, after the game, Tyreek Hill
left without seeing reporters four catches twenty three.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
Yards beating outside the stadium that we don't know yet.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
He might have been shuttled away. But you know, a
non factor once again. And the other part is because well,
you can do it with Tyler Huntley under center. You're
sucking up into the box saying, all right, beat us
one on one and h and an absolute disastrous showing
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with just twenty nine total yards on thirteen touches.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
I'll say this, I don't I know what Jason was
getting at, but it sounds like the Dolphins were lighting
things up when he was playing.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
I mean, I know.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
They're atrocious right now, but they are atrocious right now
because they didn't plan for two to get knocked out.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Well, and that's the larger thing, Dan is. You know,
we've talked about it a lot for years about you know,
how much the backup quarterback really matters, far more than
it ever really has because you build these offenses, and
for Tua it's been about timing and for all the shortcomings,
and look, you know, Smith obviously trying to just make
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the point of you know, you can't just put the
next guy in because he fits the suit, the old
Johnny Bravo Brady Bunch reference timely, because we bridge the
gap all those sixty years in all, but just the
idea that all right, McDaniel's a genius. You've got hill
Waddle and these speedy running backs that can make plays.
So whoever steps in is gonna be good. That's not true.
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That's not true. And yes they didn't exactly light it
up before Tua got hurt either, and we all remember
how he found himself on the on the ir But yeah,
it's right now, just a lot of hand ringing. I mean,
they're averaging eleven point two five points per game through
four weeks of the campaign.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
And for some reason, I think we reference this game
a lot just because of how it turned with the
Jacksonville Dolphins game in Week one, but when you had
Etn have that fumble and the game just completely changed
on the two of the Tyreek eighty yard touchdown play.
Speaker 5 (04:15):
But again, that was you know, that.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Was a half of bad football by the Dolphins, you know,
leading into that. And the part that I just can't
get over with Miami is Skyler Thompson started the playoff
game not last year, it was the year before, So
they've kept him around doing these things for two years.
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They knew him full well. That playoff game that he
played in against Buffalo, he was eighteen of forty five
with a touchdown on two interceptions. And you can say
to yourself, Well, that was a guy being pressed into
action and wasn't necessary prepared for what they had. Okay,
that's completely completely fine if that's your take.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
But at the.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Whole point over the last what year plus, did you
really sit back and look at your quarterback room and
think like this was okay, right, that was So that's
my issue with it. And then Monday night ends up
being so bad because the week prior, Skyler Thompson was
knocked out, so you had to go and get another
quarterback because you didn't trust him Boyle, and you had
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to get him off the Ravens practice squad. So that's
that's just po're planning all around to be set up
for that. And I feel bad for the Devout h owners.
I feel bad for the Tyreek Kill Jayalen Waddle owners
because it's just pure negligence on the Dolphins, considering how
fragile too has been something that we've talked about a
bunch here and I want your flag.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Well, and that's the biggest thing, right. It's one thing
to say, hey, we need a backup. Every team needs
a backup, a functional guy. Two was a you know,
whatever extra coefficient you want to add to it based
on his history. And yes, he got through unscathed the
last year, or at least that's what we're led to believe, right,
I mean, you have no idea, but he but he
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answered the bell every Sunday, Monday, Thursday and the off
you know Wednesday, show up and post for pictures.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
He was there.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
And you know, for those that want to say that
he's done, well, who's to say he doesn't have another
year like that?
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Is it likely?
Speaker 1 (06:28):
No?
Speaker 4 (06:29):
But as an organization, especially when you're so dependent on
those on those wide receivers to make big plays, and
we know the temperament of wide receivers when the balls
not getting to them, that you were derelict in your
duties building this roster and making the assumption that he
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was going to get through another seventeen games unscathed without
having to press someone into action that can orchestrate the offense.
Maybe not as well as him, but at least to
where the functionality he doesn't have to be ripped up
and you have to draw up a new playbook. Yeah,
I mean, it's just an absolute abhorrence to what you
were were trying to do and the level of genius
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that had been anointed Mike McDaniel.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
I think you're gonna really have to. I think you're
gonna have to have to consider benching Tyreek Hill if
you've got other options available.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Yeah, I don't know how creative you can get with
him in the as a runner, right, because you got
a little bit of that. Okay, So he gets to
forty one total yards on the night before, catches twenty
three yards. One of those was for seventeen yards.
Speaker 5 (07:38):
Dan, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Mean here's the stats.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
You got nineteen three point six four and then what
did you have four for twenty What do you got
about a seven point eight point game tonight or Thursday
night as we're recording the podcast. I mean, just an
absolute disaster.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Here's the thing that you you fret when you're playing
Tyreek Hill? Is you fret one hundred and fifty yards
three touchdowns?
Speaker 5 (08:05):
You know?
Speaker 3 (08:06):
You know one of them's an eighty five yard touchdown,
just racks up fifteen points whatever, just like that.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
That's not going to happen.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
So even if his numbers get better, you're not going
to miss out on that game because that game doesn't
exist anymore. So if you want to be cautious and
not play him. I'm totally fine with it because I
would need to see that one hundred yard game with
a touchdown before I would even feel comfortable to play
Tyreek Hill. And the real reason on why you would
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be afraid to bench him is you're going to lose
out on a monster game like Kenneth Walker the third.
You know this injury that he came back from. I'm
sure there was a bunch of people. I think Yahoo
said half their leagues people had benched Shenneth Walker the third, Well,
you're kicking yourself.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
Guess what.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
You're not gonna have to kick yourself because Tyreek Hill
is not going to provide that type of game for you.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
And if he does, then you know, some fantasy gods
decided just dictate that kind of performance. Because I don't
know how you could have watched this. Again, I watched it,
so the rest of you out there didn't have to.
But if you saw it, I mean, it was awful.
And then his effort or lack thereof on the lateral
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that ends up being a turnover was was again, I
mean just just shameful.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
And then he left without speaking to reporters.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
What about the Titans side of things because the Will
Levis era, I don't know if it's over yet, but
it hasn't gotten off to a great start in the
Brian Callahan era. And then Mason Rudolph comes in and
just holds the fourth down kind of like he did
in Pittsburgh, and the Titans leave Miami with a win.
Speaker 5 (09:49):
Boom for.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Tony Pollard and Tajy Spears, but wide receiver wise, how
do you look at the Titans now with what's going
on with Levis and Mason Rudolph.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
I don't think you could play anybody at this point, right,
Hopkins hits four targets on the game, two catches thirty
one yards, Boyd two for thirty thirty one with a
long of twenty seven. I think Tony Pollard's your only
playable option. And folks cheered him because he scores late
to take the game to the total which was thirty
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six and a half, as well as the anytime touchdown
prop that gets him in. But I mean that's where
right oh, when Will Lews did throw the interception, So
if you hadn't any you know, the anytime interception for them,
he at least gave you that for your parlay cards.
Before he left. But yeah, I mean, Mason, Rudolph's not
gonna light up scoreboards. They're going to try to go
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to that Pittsburgh model, and the defense is pretty solid.
I mean, obviously going up against this iteration of the
Dolphins isn't the litmus test, but we've seen it through
the first four weeks. They've bad some stretches where the
defense has been pretty good, only to have Levis's mind
numbingly bad single plays because he came in completing sixty
nine percent of his passes on the year. There have
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been some good things from Will Levis at times, except for,
you know, the one thing that.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Costs them games.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
So Rudolph he won't make those mistakes, but he's not
gonna push the ball to give you any glory touches either.
So it's Tony Pollard and the fact that they got
spears up to fifteen touches or fifteen carries, I should
say two receptions out of the backfield that maybe maybe
you can get a little more there to where he
becomes a flexworthy play. While Pollard's firmly established as.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
A number two.
Speaker 6 (11:32):
Are you benching Calvin Ridley?
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Yeah, yeah, I'm done with all of them. It's I
think what Dan was just saying with Tyreek Hill. I mean,
let's take it a bigger factor, right, Tyreek Hill greater
than I mean, Galvinrdley's a good receiver. Tyreek Hill is
a better receiver and they can't break him. I don't
know that Mason Rudolph or Will Levis is suddenly gonna
be able to unquirk things to get that out of target.
Speaker 5 (11:57):
Yeah. Ian Roddy's our executive producer.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
And I'm glad that that you had mentioned Calvin Ridley
because I feel the similar way, not with it, not
with how Tyreek is, but with the Titans. Somebody may
have a one hundred yard games in a touchdown, but
I'm not. I'm not playing roulette to find out who
that's gonna be on what week?
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Yeah, Ridley coming in like before the h the points
got added. I'm looking at the Fantasy Pro site right
where they give you the giant grid of points per game.
Uh and just looking from a from a PPR standpoint,
when you look at Ridley, You're you're coming coming away
with you know, the just two awful games and one
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monster game before this one?
Speaker 5 (12:40):
Right?
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Eight points? All right?
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Eight points is fine, but you're expecting more twenty four
point seven, one point nine and then the effort tonight
where you get one point five points. Oh I'm sorry, no, no, no,
you also got a ten yard rushing attempt, so two
point five points, but the point all the same. And
as you're saying, Dan, I mean you're gonna have games
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where Hopkins becomes that guy and who knows. I mean,
offense still trying to find its way, Mason Rudolph being
the backup maybe one of those guys that was one
of his favorites running with the twos this offseason finds
a little bit of daylight. But until we get that
established for two or three weeks, awful hard to justify
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putting someone in.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Yeah, if you've if you've got no one else obviously dead,
Ne're going to have to play them. But I would
I would rather just take second and third options from
maybe other teams that are more viable than to have
to play DeAndre Hopkins or Calvin Ridley.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
That's just that's something that I don't want to deal with.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Plus it would also mean that I don't have to
watch any Titans games, which would be a much bigger
boom than anything, Mike, because they could be a tough
watch at times. And I'll say this, and I'm and
I'm joking and saying that, but I'm not joking, And
I think everybody knows that. It makes you wonder what
their goals as an organization really are this year because
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Will Levis was only a second round pick last year.
And Will Levis is not this coaching regimes quarterback. It
is the GM's pick, but again it's only a second
round pick. So to sit there and think that you're
going to be invested in that you have to squeeze
more juice out of Will Levis, I don't think is
necessarily true.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
No, especially if it's going to cause your first year
head coach to have an aneurysm.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Yeah, and I only say that.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
I mean, I don't mean to be rude to anybody
from a physical standpoint, but it's just you watched him
the first three weeks. I mean, how many times was
there a shot on the sideline of my man? Does
not look well after the Will Levis decision, and he's
certainly venting. We had to beleep him out quite a bit.
It's like the Applebe's commercial with Dan Campbell where you
got to hold up the menu. Call I think we
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have to do that just superficially for Callahan where we
put that graphic in anytime you see him on camera
because he's cursing out his quarterback. It's not good for
business and that and that is to say, you know,
they still score. They scored thirty one points today, yet
there's no there's no confidence of how that's going to
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come across from the passing game. Yeah right, it's the
run game and then hope that maybe we find some continuity.
But yeah, there's better offenses with you know, more established
WR twos than trying to pick one out of here.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
They've got a buy in week five as the Boys begin,
then the matchup with the Colts, but after that you're
looking at Bills, Lions, Patriots, Chargers, Vikings, and then the
Texans after that. So even even the break of New England,
like New England's defense is still gonna get after you
a bit. And yeah, that's just that's that's why then
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I wonder at some point like this this Tennessee just
like all right, we'll just play for a top five
pick so we can get our quarterback in the future.
At some point I think that's going to be the case.
You may wondering why we haven't talked a ton about
Lions and Seahawks. I think the reason is, Mike is
you just want to play everybody on both those teams.
If you've got guys, you're basically going to play them.
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Like from what we saw on Monday night, there's no
reason for us to analyze anything.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
The only thing that I'm really analyzing is.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
As a Seahawks fan, seeing what Gino Smith did Monday night,
and he's done this before, and seeing the struggles that
some of the you know, rookie quarterbacks are having, specifically
Bo Nicks in Denver, even though they're winning football games,
he's thrown for sixty yards, Like, give me that. I
don't want the Seahawks to have that problem of trying
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to get a rookie quarterback and someone a custom I
am now all in on the Geno Smith train, sticking
around for as long as he wants or he.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
Starts to fall off.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
But I don't see any reason why anybody would not
play a Seahawk or not play a Lion in their
fantasy line.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Now, I mean, you still have the opportunity even as
Zach Charboney with Walker the third coming back, I'll had
five catches for thirty nine yards. Is it a monster game?
Speaker 5 (17:03):
No?
Speaker 4 (17:03):
Add the fifteen yards rushing, but overall, I mean it's
still at ten point night potentially from a flex right,
So we're looking for touches in opportunity Hopkins, No, that's it,
or Calvin Ridley or just gone down. But it's just
to the point of passing games have been so suspect
and it's a much larger thing that we've been talking
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about the sample size through the first couple of weeks.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
But I agree with your assessment of Gino.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
It's as much as you know, we can go back
in his history and say what and how, and usually
when the Jets get involved, we laugh a bit and
we move on. But it's the idea of all right,
I've got a stable quarterback that I know what I'm
going to get week to week, and I can build
around that versus trying to fit a guy in, maybe
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on a terrible team, and maybe we'll come around to it.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
Right.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
I mean the comments that Kevin O'Connell had the other day,
and part of it is self serving because he's got
a Darnold there again, ex Jet now good.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
But the idea that.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Organizations fail young quarterbacks before the young quarterbacks failed the organizations.
I thought it was an interesting comment and it's a
you know, an extension of some of the conversations you
and I certainly have had on this podcast and shows
we've done together Dan for years of all right, we
draft a guy, we have to play him. Well, is
he ready? Is the team ready? Like, look at what
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New England's doing right Drake may Man. Look Jacoby Brissett
right now is being used as a human shield.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
And then they brought Drake.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
May in in that game in the final minutes and
you got watched him get ragged dolled multiple times, Like
why why subjective to that at this point when your team's.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Not ready yet? We feel like we need the well,
the clock's running, gotta play him.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
It's it's if Drake may sat the whole year, nothing's
gonna change.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
With the way in my mind, right, So.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Right, if you believe he's your guy, this is not
the team and the offensive line to try to throw
him out to prove something like what's to be gained?
Speaker 3 (19:10):
And we're already and where you know, Drod Mayo is
already being asked about it, like when is Drake may time?
Speaker 5 (19:16):
You know, when is this thing going to happen?
Speaker 4 (19:18):
Yeah, I just I don't understand. It's like and and
I feel sorry for Jacoby Prissett. He's a guy I've
liked for a long time. That's why you brought him
in here.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
Right, he is the bridge guy. He's the guy that's
got to try to impart some knowledge on the on
the kid, as it were. But he's also the guy
that's got to take the beating while this team isn't
ready to compete.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
Absolutely, And so I think more teams would. It would
behoove them to take that kind of approach. And for
you in Seattle, look, you may not rank Geno any
better than fifteenth. You know, if you're doing the one
through thirty two, I don't know where he'd rank. I've
never sat and done that exercise. But the reality is,
I know week to week the professional that he is,
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and that he's going to keep getting up and he's
going to put me into good spots.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Yeah, and so.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
Many of these young quarterbacks. I mean the bow Knicks
thing yesterday Sunday against the Jets was just I mean,
that was bad. Aaron Rodgers wasn't much better, mind you, sure,
But but for bow Nicks right right now, I mean
there's not a lot of positives. Yeah, that that are
coming off the page.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
He was seven to fifteen at one point for negative
seven yards. That was that was a true stat They
had lost seven yards passing. And it's not college where
you get sacked and you count against your passing yards.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
This was Yeah, this was not good. It was bad.
Speaker 6 (20:39):
I'm pretty sure that was his line at halftime.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
Dan, was that what it was? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Seven yards?
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Yeah, it was not good in Sex Sex Conner's rushing
yards in college, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
In college they do, but not in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
Yeah, yeah, I knew they didn't in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
But I said passing yards and then I'm like, wait
a seconds rushing yards that I needed to correct myself.
But still point being, yeah, it was not good. It
was not good for of Bonnicks and Gino Smith gets
the ball to his players Jackson Smith and jigbu dk
Metcalf twelve targets Tyler Lockett at nine.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
You take me from behind, but you get the ball
to the guys that need to get the football.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
But it's also the you'll take what a defense gives
you as opposed to pressing. Yeah, right, that's the other
thing a veteran quarterback gets you. Now you have the
other side, which is you know, the minshees of the
world where they don't have a conscience. I got to
make a play and I'll throw it in harm's way,
which I appreciate at times. But there's also recognizing when
you have the trio of receivers like you do. They're
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in Seattle. Not to mention what he hit like ten
or eleven different guys in this game with at least
one percent, and they had thirty eight first downs, right,
that was the stat thirty eight first out. I mean,
you're moving the ball right and again I think his
pass gets held against him. Now getting punched in the
face with all the on the plane, I mean, that's
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a story that lives forever. But he's a guy that's
been a good professional and for the Seahawks, a hell
of a find.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Yeah, I think that's I think that's distant memory too.
Maybe it sticks in your mind, but I think more
people now remember of they tried to write me off
but I didn't write back, which still makes a good line,
makes no sense whatsoever, but yeah, it worked for him
that night, and it's been working for him the last
couple of years. He's Mike carbon I'm Dan By. Our
executive producer is Ian Roddy. We went super long there,
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so we'll try to trim it up. But there's a
bunch of stuff from week four that we got to
get to. Jane Daniels amazing, where shee Rice's injury, how
that's gonna play out justin fields. Sure looks like he's
gonna be the Steelers starter for a long time. And
did we look into our crystal ball with the Indianapolis Colts.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
Don't blame us. He's Mike. I'm Dan.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
This is I want your flex, it is I want
your flex hit Mike up I Swallen Dome. Find me
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Where you can find him at Ian Roddy Underscore on X.
I didn't I didn't predict this, Mike, but we had
talked about it because I think it was a legitimate storyline.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
Anthony Richardson's health with.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
The Indianapolis Colts and we said, hey, this may be
the time to go out and get Michael Pittman Junior,
because at some point you think something's probably gonna happen
to him. Well that was this past Sunday. You'll win
against the Pittsburgh Steelers and Joe Flacco comes in. Now
the Colts end up throwing the football all around. We
think Anthony Richardson is going to be fine. But now,
how do we look at the Indianapolis Colts with their
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quarterbacking position a little bit in flux because of the
Richardson injury.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
Well, I mean, you hate to be that guy, but
you look it down, you look at Pittman and you
raise an eyebrow thinking, all right, maybe there's some more
play to be had here. Look, I'll take the l on.
Pittman took the under on his yardage. After three weeks
of inactivity, gets a couple of big hitters early finishes
six for one thirteen Josh downs missed the early part
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of the season. He's back eight for eighty two and
a touchdown. We talked about him an awful lot last year,
Dan waiting for him to break through in an opportunity,
but not only did they lose Richardson in this game,
and it looks like he's avoided serious injury. But now
you got a hip added to the other injuries that
we've seen in the past.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
It's one of those.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Once he finished like half the games that he started
in the NFL made Joe Flacco is going to see
time sixteen to twenty six, one hundred and sixty eight
and two. Took a couple sacks, and you had that
terrible call against Fitzpatrick. But you know, referees or they're
doing the best they can. Dan, but Joe Flacco, you
know what you're gonna get. We were talking about Geno
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with veterans. I mean, Joe Flacco was the guy if
I had any extra ability to move money around for
a team like Miami or one of these where I
know my quarterback like they did here in Indianapolis, where
my quarterback might be subject to an injury maybe a
little easier than others. Yeah, Flacco's the guy would have
thrown money at consummate pro comes in.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Is he still elite?
Speaker 4 (24:59):
I don't know, but he looked pretty damn good against
a good Pittsburgh defense for one day. Now, that Jonathan
Taylor question comes up as well, yeah, high ankle again,
looks like he avoided something that's going to sideline him forever.
But suddenly Trey Sermon pops up on the waiver wire
and only five carries for eight yards against the Steelers,
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but becomes a viable option. But yeah, Anthony Richardson was
a guy we were already, you know, hesitant to say
indoors as a lineup play based on his forty nine
percent completion rate, even with the big plays and the
big running plays, I think I had to hold my
breath a little too much to try to get him
to the finish line at the Fantasy Fantasy Stables there.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
You know.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
I know Mike wanted to discredit some of his information
that he gave out on Friday, but I'm just gonna
tell you this. He had Gino Smith as a hot
play that sures Heck seemed to work out. He had
Justin Fields as a ninja that sures Heck's to work out.
See if you're worthy big play as the ninja play,
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Jamison Williams ninja play, I think you're being a little
bit too hard on yourself. Hey, DJ More even got
into the end zone. He did, Yes, how about that?
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Yeah, but the miss has hurt me more, especially when
it's guys that it's like, all right, I know you
want to start him, but he got to put the
cautionary tale and then they make me look foolish.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
But that's okay.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
But yeah, the Justin Fields on the other side of that, Dan,
since you brought his name up three twelve in a touchdown,
two on the ground, including fifty five yards ten carries,
I mean he's going to be your leading rusher, it
would appear. I mean Cordero Paratterson came in and gave
him a boost and then he got hurt. Harris better
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as a receiver out of the backfield than he's been
as a runner. And we have no idea when Warren
comes back.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
So yeah, for.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
Justin Fields, he's become your best two way threat. And
for George Pickens a lot of targets and if he
did fumble the ball in one of the odder looking
plays I've ever seen, you know who knows how that
game actually ends, and maybe you get an extra scoring
strike out of Fields.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
I find this matchup now against Dallas because you're not
gonna have Parsons, You're not gonna have the Marcus Lawrence right,
And so now now it opens up even more in
what is the game of the week, the game that
everybody's watching and gonna have their eyes on Cowboys and Steelers.
Speaker 5 (27:26):
And now it gives you this opportunity.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
And it's also going to be in comparison to the
sixty million dollar man Dak Prescott. So justin fields, it
really has a way to really make a name for himself.
I will say that from the fantasy perspective, he was
a lot more valuable, Like there were there were points
in that game against the Colts that I felt that
(27:50):
maybe they could have maybe they missed Russell Wilson or
what he could have done in those situations. But it's
just really difficult to argue when you put up the
stat line like he did, you know, three hundred and
fourteen yards and the touchdowns on the ground, to really
think that that's gonna change anything and sufficient enough, I
would think in Mike Tomlin's eyes, considering that you just
(28:12):
expected a little bit more from your defense against Indy.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Well, and that's it.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
And there's plenty of ISO plays of the bear hugs
put on TJ.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Watt.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
Yeah, which is funny because we're throwing flags all over
the place, and then you can see those egregious holds
that they get away with, not just for wat but
for you know, a number of the big behemoths getting
up front, you know, protect the pass or whatever, I
guess by any means necessary. But yeah, the fields turnover
the fumble when he could have just dived back on
(28:41):
the ball and instead trying to make a play and
lost it. Like that's the kind of thing that you know,
Mike Tomlin, I think that's that's enough to put a
bunch of demerits to take away from everything else you did.
That was great because that play was just silly. That
play was dead. Get on the ball and move on.
But overall, you know, acquitted himself pretty well. And you know,
(29:04):
up before Caleb Williams and the Bears got the win
against the Rams, you know, running the ball north south
is a good thing.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Good job, DeAndre Swift.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
Glad you got all my Shawshank redemption style letters about
that one. Rashawn Johnson did find the end zone, so
I didn't look like a complete idiot.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
No, But.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
Yes, but that that all to say that, you know,
there were people already doing the handwringing going. We could
have had fields, We should have had fields, and we
could have done this this this like shut up, it's
week four.
Speaker 5 (29:36):
It'll take time. It's yeah, it will.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
But again, I think that the Bears are going to
clean house after the season, and then hopefully Ryan Poles
will end up hiring someone that will really be able
to take this group of players who I think are
really good sands maybe the offensive line, Mike, and lift
them to higher heights. From my lips to God, God's ears.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Were you trying to throw up a crew he'd line
while you.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Were at aude Jade and Daniels twenty six thirty two
hundred and thirty three yards a touchdown. Another Washington Commander's
victory forty seven yards on the ground, a touchdown run
The Commanders keep rolling, considering how bad the quarterback play
had been for the first three weeks, and now what
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Daniels has been able to do, My goodness, he makes
makes a lot of people who took him in their
fantasy leagues look very very good, considering maybe even some
of those top ten guys haven't lived up to their
top ten rankings. And hear jadon Daniels doing it week
in and week out, whether it be with his legs.
Speaker 5 (30:42):
Or with his arm.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
Got to say, at this point, Dan, he becomes I mean,
no worse, he's gonna be on the metal stand. I
think each week in terms of fantasy quarterbacks until proven otherwise,
I mean, we always do the Oh, they'll get tape
on them. Well, twenty eight points, what was it? Thirteen
point game, So a little bit of a slow down there,
but they efficiency there twenty eight points. And then in
(31:04):
twenty five the top four quarterbacks. Actually we'll do five
because we'll bring him in, Jayden Daniels, Lamar Jackson, Baker Mayfield,
Sam Darnold and Josh Allen Wow sixth justin fields. So
you know, when you look at the guys that would
have been drafted early, and they're not too far off
the pace when you look at Stroud and Burrow. But
(31:25):
I mean, with everything going on in Kansas City, are
you trusting Patrick Mahomes right now?
Speaker 2 (31:30):
No?
Speaker 5 (31:31):
No?
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Right?
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Rashid Rice probably done for the year, Worthy and Dravis
Kelcey and what else? What other band aid? What other
trade can you find? Brock Perty's number twelve, Joe Burrow
number eleven.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
C J.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
Stroud had himself a day. The Jacksonville defense looked good
until they didn't. And Nico Collins, you know, Nico Collins
is the number one receiver in fantasy football right now. Yeah,
monster game in Week four. But you know that is
to say a lot of the guys we were banking
on big opportunities from I mean, if you'd be drafted
Jayden Daniels, odds are he wasn't your starter. So now
(32:09):
it becomes a you might be drafted, you might have
a position to strength to go four to five, the
trade market wide receiver or running back to somebody desperate
after Week four.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
The funny thing with Daniels, and I'm going to use
the Falcons as an example, is who would you trust
the veteran quarterback and the first year coordinator or do
you trust the rookie quarterback and the coordinator who is
the former head coach? And I'm going with the rookie
quarterback and the former head coach. We think that Kirk
(32:40):
Cousins is going to lift all boats in Atlanta, and
it hasn't necessarily been the case. Drake London's been better
than he was last year. But when you see what
Kingsbury does and what Kingsbury's offense is Mike even if
they're even if their defense gives up twenty eight in
the first half, it's going to be even better for
(33:01):
him in the second half.
Speaker 5 (33:02):
And the only reason.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
Why that Giant's numbers stunk so much is because they
just couldn't put it in the end zone. But they
still got seven field goals out of it. So yeah,
I don't find many blemishes with Jayden Daniels in the
road that the Commanders have, even if they're playing tough games,
and they got blown out by the Buccaneers and the
first week and he still was able to put up
points in that game.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
Still going to get your fantasy points distribution. Week four,
they played without Austin Eckler who was out, so Brian
Robinson owners get a little bit of a boost and
we'll see how long that lasts. But I mean, right now,
they're pulling the strings really well in Atlanta, and Kyle
Pitts is invisible. B Jon Robinson still seems like he's
in that box that Arthur Smith had him in sure,
(33:45):
So I mean you're not getting much in the way.
I mean, they won the game against New Orleans like
that was fun, just from the oddity of it, because
it didn't make any sense, right. We talked about how
bad and future Denver New York was, or the Monday
Night or Tennessee versus Miami, that Atlanta New Orleans game
(34:06):
made no sense for much of it, and yet here's
young Way coup from fifty eight to finish it off.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
It was like, what the hell?
Speaker 4 (34:14):
I mean you had to be on you probably would
just take it over on Fox Sports Radio as that
was going final or just about so.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
Well, because we don't start until five Eastern. We get
at usually at the end of the first quarter of
the late games, so this one was still.
Speaker 5 (34:29):
Not in our window.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Okay, but I had young Way coup on one of
my fantasy teams and he gave me fourteen points.
Speaker 5 (34:36):
It was.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
It was amazing and also cover the spread in a
picks poll. I don't know what the spread ended up
being at kickoff, but when I got it, it was
a point and a half for the Falcon so it
was doubly doubly good for me.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
How about that?
Speaker 5 (34:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (34:53):
But yeah, the point being with Jade Daniels, I mean, eventually,
I don't think it turns into an absolute pumpkin. I mean,
and certainly there's a lot of concerns and there were
coming in about his frame and whatever. Seems to be
doing just fine through four weeks. A couple of times
there's hits that maybe it's a second of anxiousness after
he takes the hit, but it's hard to argue with
(35:14):
the results. Kingsbury's, you know, doing a great job. We
always wonder about coaches, you know where the ceiling is
as coordinator versus head man. All right, now he's certainly
found his stride and doing some wonderful things there in Washington.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Hit him up at Swollen don't find me at Dan
Byer on Fox and Ian Roddy, our executive producer. You
can find at Ian Roddy Underscore. We're gonna check our
report cards from last week, Ian Streaming Defense, my Survivor
pick points at Palooza, and of course the Oasis song,
plus a huge injury to Rashid rise of the Kansas
City Chiefs. Mike's gonna tell you how you deal with
(35:49):
that if he's on your fantasy roster. Plus give you
the waiver wire pickups that you need for week five,
and trust me, you're gonna need him because buys are starting.
That's next here and I want your flex. Welcome back
to I want your flex, and my one week ban
from my Survivor pool picks may have to turn into
a multiple week band, Mike Carmen, because I gave you
(36:09):
the jets in week four, I'm giving you losers each week.
Speaker 5 (36:13):
So maybe the best bet would be just to.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Fade my Survivor picks and you could continue to stay
alive if you're in maybe second chance pools. And even
took my advice earlier. Broncos did me in in week.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
Four fading buyer. There's how do we come up with
the proper name for it. It's been a rough run though. Man,
it's like picking games like I'm far better against the
number this year than I am.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Straight up.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
Sure call you Dane Dan Seller, I'll tell you if
we started out, I'm nicely done.
Speaker 5 (36:44):
Well, that's okay, and you can keep it in.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Because for my nineteen plus years at Fox Sports Radio,
we have tried to come up with a buyer or
seller segment. We never have, but last week on Doug Gottlieb,
I did come up with an idea Buyer's remorse, where
I tell you all the things that I thought were
gonna happen and then didn't, and so I was wrong
(37:09):
on the Minnesota Vikings. I also said I believed in
the New York Jets or I felt that Joe Shane
something we talked a little bit on the podcast as well.
Speaker 5 (37:17):
So I did come up with that play on wordsly.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
So when I was knocked out in week three of
my Big Survivor pool, I couldn't feel bad really because
I would have gotten knocked out in week four if
I would have survived, because I was surely going to
pick the Jets in that pool. But oh well, I'll
be back to fight another day in week five. Ian
Roddy gives you a streaming defense each week, and this
(37:39):
past week, Ian it.
Speaker 6 (37:41):
Was the Houston Texans, which did not go very well.
So yeah, we're gonna try to get back this week.
Houston Texans finished with only one singular fantasy point, so
as long as they didn't lose, you points were you know,
we're at least okay, Bud.
Speaker 5 (37:55):
You had to put that silver lining on it.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Yeah, you're also probably thought they should have got the
safe on the final play.
Speaker 5 (38:01):
I was no way they should have.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
Yeah, well, you know, yeah, and if Trevor Lawrence could
hit a ball deep, he would have gotten into negative points.
But that's a whole other But alas he candle a fish, as.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
They say, no, he does not put the ball where
it needs to be right now, that is that is
not good.
Speaker 4 (38:18):
Yeah, had one for Thomas, one for Kirk, and I
stopped counting.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
I had in my oasis song was where did it
all go Wrong? And it was about the Cleveland Browns
and where did this all go wrong? And I said,
Amari Cooper is going to be my guy, look for
the breakout.
Speaker 5 (38:38):
And he had an eighty two.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
Yard touchdown wiped out because of a holding penalty, so
he ends up with four catches for thirty five.
Speaker 5 (38:46):
So that was not good advice.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
But as Mike touchdown and off the top, I did
say points of Balooza was going to be Seahawks Lions,
and it sure as heck turned out to be on
Monday night. So at least I have that feather in
my cap for my report card.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
And you had the opportunity. Look it gets wiped out
by penalty. You can't you can't do anything with that, right.
All you can hope is that he figures into the game. Script,
so they try to get him the ball right like
whenever we get into these discussions. And I've always been
willing to play the the WWE, inspired WCW, whichever your
favorite wrestling hell, the guys from the show, Heels.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
Whatever federation you want.
Speaker 4 (39:22):
Dystopia is that I could I take you down the water,
you know, to the water hole, and if I get
you to drink, I did my job right. And because
in the end they got to go play sixty minutes.
If the logic works in your mind to where you
come on board with me, then then we did it.
And if it all goes to hell, I'll wear it.
(39:42):
I'll you could blame me if it makes you feel better.
But yeah, I mean the fact that Cooper had an
eighty two yard touchdown taken away.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
All you could say was there was.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
Going to be opportunity because we saw a lot of
big plays wiped out by questionable flags that were thrown
this week.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
And I'll all say this because I want to give
you a room for waiver wires and how Rashi Rice
owners are going to have to deal with his likely
absence for a significant period of time. You can always
check out the Fox Sports Radio Weekends podcast, Mike obviously
teaming up with Bucky Brooks and Andy Furman on Sunday Mornings.
Sunday afternoons, it's me and Carrie Rhoades. You can always
(40:21):
get Mike obviously with Jason Smith on The Jason Smith
Show with Mike harmon weeknights on Fox Sports Radio. But
I did go off for about five minutes on Kevin
Stefanski's timeout usage late in their game against the Raiders,
in a game that I don't think anybody cared about,
but it was so egregious. I'm not gonna waste your
time here, but you can go check out the podcast
what Carry and I did this past weekend, and you
(40:43):
could tell me why I was. You could tell why
I was so mad at the Browns head coach moving
on Rashie rice knee injury friendly fire from his own quarterback.
But now we expect Rashi Rice at the time of
this recording to miss the rest of the season. What
do you do with the Chiefs? What do you do
if you are a Rashi rights owner? In fantasy football?
Speaker 4 (41:04):
We've already been talking the last couple of weeks where
Patrick Mahomes are starting to slide down into the can
I trust him kind of phase? And going forward, you
got Travis kelce and will we get a bigger day
from Xavier Worthy. Yeah, maybe the target count comes up,
maybe sky Moore has the breakthrough we've been waiting on,
(41:25):
or maybe there's a secret option that comes out. See again,
you know, he comes from behind the giant drapes like
it's a WWE surprise entrance, because that's what we're looking for.
We're looking for a trade, someone to invigorate them. I mean,
you got Kareem Hunt, so as a runner and receiver,
he'll see more touches going forward, but that doesn't solve
any of the problems overall. So Mahomes becomes a starter
(41:48):
in QB two leagues. I hate that we're you know,
vanquishing all these would be fantasy stalwarts. Travis Kelcey stays
the top ten tight end. But otherwise we're going to
the wire and trying to find a little bit of
love because Rice had become that guy that was eating
up a lot of targets and headspace for Patrick Mahomes.
And right now, I gotta imagine Rashid Rice got a
(42:09):
hell of a gift from his quarterback based on that play.
Speaker 3 (42:13):
Let's get to the waiver wire pickups four. Week five. Again,
buys are starting. The buys are here. There's nothing you
can do about it. We also have a London game,
Ian's Jets taking on the Minnesota Vikings, so you'll want
to get your lineups in early on Sunday if you
have any Jets or Vikings in them. But the Lions, Titans, Eagles,
(42:34):
and Chargers all off.
Speaker 5 (42:36):
In Week five. Mike, who are we looking at on
the waiver wire?
Speaker 4 (42:39):
Well, we miss some heavyweights there. Let's start with the
quarterback position. We'll start with your guy, Gino. Still only
owned in about forty percent of leagues. All right, that
won't happen. After the showing he had against.
Speaker 5 (42:50):
Detroit, the Giants come to town on week five.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
You got the Giants.
Speaker 4 (42:53):
Giants, You're an interesting squad to me, much better than
perhaps the final product looks again, Daniel Jones. Is he
another one of those young quarterbacks that can't push the
ball downfield?
Speaker 2 (43:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (43:04):
I think so, justin fields only thirty three percent owned.
Batt'll change again, looking at the way he's utilized as
a runner and the passing game getting more and more confidence.
Friar Mouth was back in the mix a little bit
in week four, and obviously Pickens and he have developed
a rapport that's only going to get better, So opportunity there.
(43:26):
Joe Flacco might be weak to week we'll see what
Anthony Richardson's status is. But this becomes the defensive play
because I think we're going to see much more of Flacco.
I dare say it before the and I hate to
because I hate seeing young quarterbacks off the field, but
we've seen it time and again. And that was a
big hit on the hip. He tried to go and
(43:48):
then crumpled, you know, on the next play, So that
goes away. We'll look at the running back position, Trey
Sermon that we talked about with Taylor waiting on his injury.
Kareem Hunt again with Kansas City, trying to find lightning
in the bottle, find another playmaker with all of the
different injuries that they've suffered. So he'll see you. Carson
(44:10):
Steele was a great story. He's not an answer to
the question of who replaces Pacheco, but Kareem Hunt maybe
he is. How about this guy twenty five percent of
leagues Nick Chubb is available.
Speaker 5 (44:22):
Ah, Yes, back.
Speaker 4 (44:23):
To practice reportedly on Wednesday. Maybe a little jolt to things.
Not to say that Jerome Ford hadn't been good in spots,
but there's a much bigger presence Nick Chubb brings to
the table if he's one hundred percent, much like we
watched Dereck Henry doing with the Baltimore Ravens and how
much it opens things up. Tank Bigsby ETN. Suffered a
(44:45):
shoulder injury in that Week four game. Not sure if
it sidelines him, but maybe judicious in the touch count
going forward. We've had a lot of talk about Zamir
White and his futility. So Alexander Madison still a guy
on our radar here, as is Tyler all Jeer. Yeah,
I know he's John Robinson owners. You went hard at
(45:07):
the top of the draft, but they're trying to find
a spark for that offense that has had its issues.
And then the obligatory Rashawn Johnson mentioned wide receivers where
we need to make some Hey though, Wandale Robinson target
count from the Giants, get him in Xavier Legette. So
long as Andy Dalton slinging the ball around, no Adam feeling.
(45:28):
Someone else has to step up. Into a spot. You
can pick your poison With the Packer receivers outside of
Jim Reid, I don't know that I trust any of them,
but I guess i'd go down Tavi and Wicks if
I had to make a choice there. Trey Tucker of
the Raiders gets on our radar, as does DeMarcus Robinson
(45:48):
of the Rams. All of those are lightly owned a
third or less in fantasy leagues coming into week five.
Speaker 3 (45:54):
Yeah, the Packers wide receiver situation is so unique because
Wicks it's been the guy that's gotten the most hype
but hasn't lived up to the hype. And now Watson
being dinged up. He did have thirteen targets Wicks had
this past weekend, so maybe it's his opportunity to burst
onto the scene. But as he said, you know, Jaden
(46:17):
Reid so valuable seven catches one hundred and thirty nine
yards and that lost to Minnesota. But curious to see
I'm actually just curious to see on Jordan Love because
I know his numbers looked great, but he just seemed
a little bulky with that knee. Yeah, interceptions, I don't
know if it's the Vikings, I don't know if it's
the knee, but they are in LA to take the
(46:37):
Rams on in week five.
Speaker 4 (46:38):
That just seemed like a game where I still questioned
him being on a field. Yeah, he and Justin Herbert
right now. I know the the Chargers had given up
a game coming into week four, but you're still you're
still playing for January or trying to sure and now
injuries have beset them all over and then you had
(46:59):
the suspend, should have Derwin James and everything else. But
for the Packers you got two wins with Malik Willis,
who you brought off the scrap heap. You got him
into your system and you were able to do enough
with balance to win a couple of games. It seems
like you should have bought some time. And I know
the final stats and everything look fine, and you made
it a game late, but it's just one of those
(47:21):
things watching him try to battle early in that game,
and how he was throwing the ball and trying to
avoid hits and and just any type of contact whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
Dan like he wasn't able to step into most of
his throws.
Speaker 4 (47:36):
Yeah, most of the day it was I'm falling away
and trying not to get the drive by hit.
Speaker 3 (47:43):
Just seeing Bulky was just the not Balky from perfect
straight nicely yes, Bulky like Costco, Hey cousin, don't be ridiculous.
All right, that's a dated reference. Ian, It's from a
sitcom that if you watch today, you're like, why did
I watch it when I was younger? All Right, that's
(48:06):
gonna be it for I want your flights. We'll just
end on a perfect stranger's note that was set in
Mike's hometown of Chicago. So for Ian Rodney are executive producer,
and Mike Harmon, I'm Dan Meyer. We'll talk to you
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