Martin Weiss and Veejay Huskey talk about the Boston Celtics playoff run and why it may have been easier for them in the East. Martin and Veejay also take a look into the West and gush over the NBA's potentially new dominant dynamic duo in Luka Doncic and Kyrie Irving. Plus, the guys talk more about NFL rookies in OTA's, Anthony Edwards disappearing act, Caitlin Clark's first WNBA win, and more!!
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And you know, vija, the Indiana Pacers, their whole thing
is about speed and the Indy five hundred and so on.
Maybe somebody could get Tyres Halliburton another tire as he
blew his last night, our last game, rather in the
third quarter, hurt the hamstring that had been bothering him
for a lot of the season. Uh. And it looks
like the Pacers season will be going on too much
(00:40):
longer now as they run up against the Eastern Conference
juggernaut that is the Boston Celtics.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Man, they gave this game. They gave this series away,
in my opinion, in game one. They had Game one.
You've got to get that rebound and you've got to
have a better close out on Jalen Brown, who hits
the corner three, the easiest three on the court to
make again your head, you gotta have.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
You gotta contest.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
You got at least two contests, so you know whether
they had him or not. I thought the series, especially
the way Game two looked and went, I thought the
series was pretty much hadn't done right there. I know
it's never over until the Lady sings, but at the
end of the day, you can still look at the
series and go, ah, God, if they'd have got that one.
Now you gotta go get to it home, and now
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your star is hurt. It just doesn't They don't have
a be right, They don't when when you look at
that team, they have a really good team. They coached
very well by mister Carlile, who's got a championship. He's
he's won a championship before, and you gotta you got
a young budding star and Halliburton.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
But other than that, you take.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Him off that team and they're thirty eight thirty nine
win team in my opinion, So that's what you're gonna have,
even him out there being hurt. So I just wanted
to fight, just put up a big game. You said
earlier when we were sitting in the telling about tonight.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
I got a weird feeling about tonight since are seven
and a half point favorites. I think that that that
just the Pacers definitely cover the seven and a half.
And I'll say this, if they're going to win a game,
it'll be this one. They're gonna win a game of
this year's it'll be okay.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
And I don't see.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
I don't see either side sweeping in these conference finals,
which is just we just there has to be a massive,
like humongous talent difference for a sweep to occur. As
dominant as the Boston Celtics have been on the Eastern
side of things, they haven't swept once, right Miami ends
up and Miami but.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Which we both said they needed this like the first round,
you gotta sweep.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Though we said that. If I said at least that
the Celtics have they lost more than four playoff games
before the finals, that would be to me a phrase
that you right now, Canary and the coal.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Mine, There you go, you go, there you go. I
have no idea what it means, but I like it.
I like the way it sounds. So where are at
right now? They lost one, so they lost two, so
there are too they've lost too, right, right?
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Full series?
Speaker 4 (03:02):
They okay, they might pull your under on the four
if Tyrus is this hurt, you know, that team is
they're not the same team, you know, without him being
being there and being full straight.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Yeah, I just I think that. Uh. I think that
when when you look at the way that things have
been going, uh with this series. Uh, the only way
that the Pacers have a shot to win the entire series,
as much as I think they might have a shot
to win tonight. Uh. You know this is like home court,
you know, kind of backs against the wall, and again
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those guys get paid to right the other side.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
They go bananas the nights.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Yeah, I feel mean eighteen first quarter points in the
last time these two teams played from my first half
points I should say, from Myles Turner ended up with
twenty three.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
But the t Ti McConnell is to me a starting
level point guard in the NBA while he's uh, you know,
obviously you'd rather have your All NBA player Tyrese Haliburton,
which you know you could bait whether or not he
should have made the All NBA list, But uh, but
that's a that's a conversation for a few days ago.
I didn't necessarily think so I thought Jalen Brown probably
deserved that spot. But either way, here we are, you
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probably you rather have him than not, right, kind of
like when we're talking about the Nick series last week,
you know, people like the better without Julius Randall was like,
I don't know, man, when you're playing Jericho Simms exactly,
you rather have him than not. I don't know, I'd
rather have him. I don't know, man, Like he's all
Star loving player, like you know, I was about to say,
he's beens All Star games.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
He's been giving big contracts for a reason. People like,
I get what you're saying, but you know, it doesn't
make sense not to have the better player in any
sport on any level. But with Boston, I still I
just to me, the way I'm looking at the West,
even the either one of those teams I think would
(04:47):
give Boston hell, I just don't trust him.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
And this is nothing new.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
I've been on this wagon for the last three seasons,
openly on radio, and I'm still here. Yes I'm that
guy that this, but this Boston team, they gotta win it.
For me to believe that they can win it, I
gotta see it with them, so and I still just
I just don't know this this walk they've had. You
get the heat, no Jay buckets, you get you get
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the Cavs.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Donovan Mitchell has not only no Jimmy buckets by the
end of that thing. They uh just because he's in
those Hotel dot Com commercials.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
He wasn't in the playoffs, but they just.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Their walk, you know, to this point, it's like, yeah,
I gotta still see it because even this year, even
what you've done, even getting to this point, now you're
in Eastern Conference finals and your opponent's best player has
now you know, hurt his ham straight. So all right, cool.
So they got to the finals. Well I've seen them
get to the finals a by the way, I saw
them up to one in those finals against the Wars
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and then turn around and lost three in a row
and lost the serious and six. So uh that that's
a that's a team that's got a uh prove it
to me. I got to see them do it. But
with the paces tonight, like I said, I just just fight,
just put up, put up a effort, your home, let
the adrenaline, you know all that stuff with sports when
you come home in the playoff series.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Hey go go get go grab two one.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
So you think they are you picking them to one tonight?
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Sure, come on, let's do it together. Is the teamwork?
Speaker 4 (06:18):
Kobe is shocked them days all right, Yeah, let's go
paces to take it tonight.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Halliburton and Turner.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Not quite.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Kobe is shocked, but not talking about you and me.
You shocked on Kobe? Okay, shit, yeah you shocked. I'm Kobe.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
That's funnier if you'd actually see it, says right, Yeah,
there's one of us name Big Vanilla Funny, and the
other one is named Martin Weiss. But the thing about
the Celtics is again their style of play, right, their
style of play.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
You talk about game one, whatever, the game.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
One, they missed threes point, that's how they were in
the game, like, you know, it's just it's just if
they don't have a way, in my opinion, are they
don't they don't believe that they should play a little
differently when those shots aren't falling. And that's how you
end up letting teams back in the games because you
still are shooting threes up thirty five, like it's just
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it's just up, you know, up, you know, up put
the significant margin at the half or something like that
Boston's let every game it the half, like you know
what I'm saying. So it's just yeah, that's the way
it goes for me with his three die by it exactly.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
It just has never failed. It's consistent as gravity.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
The other thing that Boston has is a phrase I'm
gonna borrow from a friend of the show. We've talked
about it if we talked with him a few times,
Dave damnishek he yeah. He talks about the cursive supposed
to right often is supposed to win this right? This
is it is lining up perfectly for them to You
don't think so, no, No, That's why I'm asking you.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
I thought you meant I was the deffrigerate between the pacers. Heires,
are win it all?
Speaker 1 (07:48):
I think win it all lining up? I mean just
thinking about it. You know, Okay, Minnesota, you see their
offensive struggles when they're when their role players aren't hitting
with Karl Anthony Towns, he's a roller coaster, right, he's
the stock exchange. And the game before was six for twenty.
I believe it was off the floor in the clutch.
(08:09):
So you know what, it is a quick match ten
for something I can't remember if you said four for sixteens,
ten for thirty six, right, not very good? Okay, boom.
Then you have Dallas who Luka Doncis went to the
locker room in the middle of the game last game.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
He's he has a myriad.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Of injuries that seemed to be just bothering him as
he's going along. Kyrie is thirty two years old, right,
So like as dominant as they have looked in the
first two games in the Western Conference Finals, boom, there's
still a few things there that, you know, the engine
might need a tightening of the serpentine belt, you know
what I'm saying, Like in terms of that right again,
we already talking about it is not.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Going to get healthier. Again, Luca's not going to get
healthy at the longer day playing to play.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
It is lining up perfectly for the Boston Celtics, even
without Christaffs for Zengis. But I said it last week
and I'll say it again. I'll keep saying it until
he comes back Boston. The Boston Celtics themselves told us
last this offseason they did not believe that this version
of their team could win a title. That was a
(09:09):
good one, but that's why they traded two starters and
three bench players and all those picks to get Drew Holliday,
which is an upgrade over Marcus Smart marginally so, but
still an upgrade. But the big hal was Christas Porzingis,
who we have not seen since, hell since Donovan Mitchell
was still playing playoff basketball this year.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
But also to the Grant Williams move now, he blew it.
He blew it in Dallas and is shown, but I
think they probably could use him in Dallas right now also.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Too, but he also blew it himself.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Boston has yet to be, in my opinion, like Man
and Man chest the chest challenged, and that's what Jimmy
Butler and the Heat were doing to them last year
in the Eastern Conference finals, and they have.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Yet to have that this year.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
If it happens, who's gonna be the guy that's going
to bow his chests up and say, okay, just like
Martin said, it's set up for us to win this.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
We are picked to win this.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
We've been the best team in the Eastern Conference all
year and pretty much.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
The NBA all year long.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
But now here comes somebody that's gonna get a little
physical with us because they don't have the pieces we have.
They can't hit the three that we hit. They don't
habitate them. They don't have a brown when you look
at now Dallas has Kyrie and have Luca. But let's
say Minnesota will come back and win this serious and
get to the finals to play Boston. Okay, if and
Edwards also too. We just talked about Anthony Towns. If
he's gonna go eleven for thirty three or something like that,
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twenty six percent, what do you shoot? Yeah, ten for
thirty If he's gonna shoot like that too, then they
got they've got zero zero shot. So with Boston, it's
still to me when they get challenged chess to chess,
who's gonna be.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
The guy to step up? And how will they react?
Speaker 4 (10:47):
So that they haven't had that yet, and I'm thinking
one of those Western Conference teams that might have to
do it.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
I don't think the Pacers haven't anymore. They would have
done it already.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
I don't know. We might see it in Game three.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
They might come out with the home energy let's speak
sure tonight and just play a little more physical with them.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
To But I just want to be clear. While in fact,
I do think that Indiana has a great shot tonight.
Oh they're not winning this series. Yes, this is a
Cinderella type of situation. Right the glass, the clock will
strike midnight quickly. It's gonna be painful to watch the
rest of the serious. I tweeted the other day the
game too, the Indiana Pacers and the Eastern Conference Finals
(11:22):
is a great excuse to set up the second screen
in my new apartment.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
It is one of those series you kind of could
just have on as you kind of move about the
crib and you just peek as long as you can
see the TV. You can take care of other home
things you need to do. That to me, that's what
it is.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
At this point.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
I'll still watch it, but it won't be a sit
down with chips and sauceas tequila watch it type of game. Yeah,
you've been wanting to catch up on that book, you know,
you know, crack it open. I'm a chuiyurn the volume
up a little bit. I can't have nothing going on
in the background. I can't concentrate when I read that way.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
You know, you know you maybe got a little yard
work to do, and you cut it on on the radio.
You know, there you go put your headphones on as
your mo and all.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
The young people are like, what listening to?
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Why you mowed up there?
Speaker 4 (12:06):
Now that was an old guy thing right there. You
just said you're getting old tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
I've been listening to games on the radio my whole life.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Shit, here's the thing that that streaming has ruined, That
timing goes because it used to be you could listen
and I remember it vividly. We watched the Saints games
as when I was a kid, my dad would turn.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
You, turn down the TV, turn up the radio.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
The radio. You could listen to the radio broadcast while
watching the game on TV. Because while there may have
been a delay or two a little bit, it was
right there. It was.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
It was right there.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
And if you had one of those things later on
down love, you could pause live television right, TV pause
it just a little bit, even you pause it just
a bit right when it comes back from commercial on
both sides.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Boom.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Now you're getting the radio play by play and all
the information from that and watching the game at the
same time.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Damn you, Netflix, Netflix.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
He didn't mean that it might be a sponsored One
day we might get.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Speaking of streaming, this is about the only way you
can watch some of these games, but we're talking about it.
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koresh three three three says, why do y'all keep acting
like Luca is any more hurt than anybody.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Else who's played a full season. I watched that whole
game last night.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Luke ain't hurt, Bro, Maybe a little nick their banged up,
but we saw the man hit a game winner over
the defensive player of the year.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
I didn't see any signs of injury. Well, sorry, Superstar
Dad Man.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
At Superstar Dad, Luca was literally in the locker room
at the end of the first and the third quarter
getting treatment on his knees. Oh god, I don't think
he's back there doing that for fun. That's my take
on the mat.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Hey man, Hey, huhs bro. We love, we love you,
We appreciate the somepoint, we appreciate you listening to y'all
love y'all know that, man, But on this on this one.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
Bruh, stop you dog. Everybody he is, he's hurt. They
don't do you think they would say it for no
reason for it. He's hurt, like he's really banging up.
So he is more hurt than some other people that's
still playing. Yes, everybody's dinged up. I get what he's saying, but.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Everybody does have something that's something.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
You know, do you play over one hundred basketball games
in a year, or you know, even ninety basketball games
in the year, something is going to bother you. If
your feet will be sore, your elbow hurts, this D
and third but there's a little bit of an extra
oomph to it. But you're literally going the locker room
mid with midway through several different quarters to go and
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get treatment on the knee, the treatment that they can't
just do on the bench.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we appreciate you, bro, We love you man,
But nah, not that one man.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Come on, you got it. So you were hot about this,
we saw. I guess you could say history being made
in Los Angeles as Caitlyn Clark won her first game
in the w NBA the Indiana If Ever, now one
in five they play again and a little bit I
actually will be playing later tonight. But you had an
opinion here.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Yeah, I had an opinion here because it's now.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
It's now to the point where I want to I
want to have some fun with this, mart I want
to draw my line into sand and pick sides this
whole idea. We gotta let it play out, we gotta
let nah. I'm I'm not gonna do that on this.
I'm gonna make a proclamation or opinion that I think
the way I can kind of see this shifting, because
you guys know, I like to dig deep into things.
I don't just believe everything I'm told. There's always a
(16:36):
reason for everything that's gonna happen, and that's gonna be told.
But even last night's game, when you when you see
the type of coverage that this is getting, there's there's
one false narrative I want to attack, Martin. Is this
idea that the w n b A is getting all
this attention. I think it's a false narrative. The Indiana
Fever and Caitlyn Clark are getting all the extra attention
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to where players are even saying, hey, just remember there's
more than one team in the league that was quoted
by injuries, there's there's more than one team in the league.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
And of course because it's herd to me shortly, I
don't mean it, you know that. I think that was
in response to Charles Barkley. Yeah, but but it's.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
All but it's all wrapped around where the attention is going.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Angel retweeted by the way that that they won a
game and it's not because one player got them charter flights.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Yeah, oh yeah, that way.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
I did see it. And she could be petty, so
I could call it. She's still my boob, but she
could be petty. But this, the way this is being delivered,
is the problem that a lot of people are having
with it. And it feels so media driven because, as
we said last week, if you tell me someone is
going to be the savior of a league, the savior
of something, it is going to change the game. I
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can't you can't tell me. I gotta let that person
get acclimated. They're the stars of stars in the history
of sports. Ninety eight percent of them did not have
to get acclimated when they got it. When Deon Sanders
stepped on the field, you saw it. When Eric Dickerson
ran a football, you saw it. When Jerry Rice ran
a route, you saw it, when Joe Mottanna threw a
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pass in high school before Notre Dame, and then on today.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
You saw it.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Then there was no getting acclimated.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
We are told these things that are these false narratives,
and we have to stop because now if you speak
against it, this whole hater thing came up.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Do we have the L duncan sound right here? Can
we play it? Do we play the L Duncin sound
for me?
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Guys?
Speaker 8 (18:35):
What are you looking for? I'm so tired of it.
It just makes no sense to me. And I'm tired
that we keep giving it so much energy, and I'm
tired of it being people who are not in this
circle or space at all, who suddenly have all these
opinions about how these women need to treat Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
What do you want from them?
Speaker 8 (18:52):
They want to beat her because she's not on their team.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Isn't that how it's supposed to be?
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Y'all stop it.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
We already know she's transformational.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
They've all said it.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
How many times have they gotta say it?
Speaker 1 (19:05):
That's L Duncan, that's on her podcast, The L Duncan
Show downloaded. She's she's a lovely woman. Yeah, yeah, no, no,
she is. My wife worked to word her for years,
and all I've ever heard about her is that she's
a great person.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
You can see with the work that she does too.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
But that's the point that people like me are saying,
is is what do you want us to do? You
told us she was something, So if we don't see it,
we can't just close our eyes and act like we
don't see it. We are going to react to it.
We are going to point the fact out. You want
to tell me. Listen, good line last night? Eleven was eleven,
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nine and eight, good line, But four of what fourteen?
Fifteen from the field two and nine from three? You
were always seventy till she hits the two, and now
we're supposed to go, oh there it is. No, it's
it's still you be the one win Sparks team. Let's
just call it what it is. But this narrative that
it's not her, it's everything around her and where everybody's
just hating if you're not on.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Board, it's we don't think that.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
That's what L Duncan was saying that Yeah, I know,
I do.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
That's L. Duncan was saying that in response to people
who were saying that there were players in the w
n b A itself who were pushing back on the
idea are saying they that there was some narrative.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Okay, I get what, I get what you say, never mind,
was like, that's what L. Duncan was in response to.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
And in fact, I just saw a clip uh, came
on came down social media about thirty minutes ago from
Becky Hammond's pregame pressor or pre or you know some
at some point today. I'm not sure exactly what it was,
but it was after last night. Uh. And that's who
the fever getting ready to play is the Aces, Becky
Hammon obviously the coach of the Aces.
Speaker 7 (20:41):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
She was saying that there is no such there are
not players in the w n b A who were saying, like,
katelen Clark is not transformational. Kateln Clark is not is not,
you know, doing the things that people say that she
is doing. It's more of the outside narrative. And I
think and again that does L. Duncan. I'm not saying that,
I'm not putting words her mouth. She could speak for
herself and does quite well. But and I interpret that
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as her talking to Charles Barkley type or somebody who
is saying, y'all are being petty.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Leave Caitlin Clark alone.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
I think that is why guess they were seeing a
slightly different thing because I feel that part of it.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
But I do think that there is because to me,
it's a bigger scope.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
When anybody talks about this, they try to pinpoint one thing,
but we always missed a big picture. And I think
that's purposely done so we could just have our own
little piece and our own little knick knacks that we
can hold onto for our argument when it comes to
players in media driven storylines like this, My point that
I kind of took from it is there is a
sense of not just the women, that if you just
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don't like kiss the Ring, you were this big time hater.
And people are saying she Even me myself, I think
she's a really good player. She can shoot the hell
out of the basketball, but I also don't think that
she can defend worth a damn. I think the league
is going to be more physical, and Is Martin pointed
out last week it is the most competitive pro league
in the world because the spots are so few, So
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you truly do have probably maybe you know, one or
two slips through the crack like area, what ninety six
ninety seven percent of.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
The best players if they got a box that we
got them all. If they slipped, if they slipped through
the cracks, it's not for very long. Yeah, Okay, so
eventually maybe maybe you quote unquote slipped through the cracks
for six months. But then after that, guess what, there's
a new crop of thirty six rookies that are becoming
right back. I'll respond to you. Yeah, God, I'll give
(22:30):
my opinion on that in just a minute. But first
we've got a playoff hockey. Hey, what's going on? Stee?
Was that your Canadian action file was my best effort.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
NBA playoffs as well? And by the way, as far
as w NBA, last night, Indiana was zero and five
but came back to win at LA and they are
at defending champion Las Vegas tonight in a half an
hour at Yes, the Indiana Fever are huge underdogs in
that we shall see today. Minnesota defeated New York after all,
eighty four to sixty seven. New York was a solid
four and one to start the season, as for the Pacers.
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Star guard Tyrese Haliburton, with sore hamstring, is out tonight
at least he left in the third quarter last game.
And yeah, game three. Down two games to none, they're
really staring at in the face because they're facing the
number one team in the NBA. The Boston Celtics regular
season went sixty four and eighteen. In the postseason, they're
four to zho on the road so far. Game four
of the series will be Monday night on the Holiday
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at the Pacers. In the West Finals, Dallas leads two
games to none. We'll be hosting Minnesota on Sunday evening.
In the NHL's West Final. Game two gets off to
a bang. Only ten minutes in. It's Edmonton tied one
to one at one seed Dallas. The Edmonton Oilers took
the series opener in two overtimes. Dallas, for the home fans,
did get a goal about three and a half minutes
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in tonight. Less than a minute later, Edmonton scored to tie.
Golfer Grayson Murray passed away this morning at the age
of thirty. He had opened this season with a victory
and Hawaii in a playoff, getting him into the top
fifty in the world ranking. Tennis's French Open starts tomorrow.
NASCAR's Coca Cola six hundred is Sunday night on Fox
TV from Charlotte. As for college softball, Alabama one in
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fourteen innings at Tennessee three to two to stay alive.
Number one ranked Texas on its home field trying to
stay alive leading in extra innings right now nine to
eight against Texas A and M, which is today's home team.
Games two out two on bottom of the ninth inning.
As for Major League Baseball, Fox TV with the coverage
right now Cubs, depending on your part of the country,
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could be seeing this. Cubs are leading three two at
Saint Louis in the bottom of the fifth. Red's ahead
of the Dodgers two to one in the top of
the fifth. Dodgers starting pitcher as Walker Buehler, he allowed
two early solo homers. Giants won their fourth in a row,
a ten inning win at the Mets, seven to two.
Mets have lost five in a row. Detroit had lost
five in a row until last night's victory, and they
picked up another win today. Tigers over Toronto, beating pitcher
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Jose Burrios two to one. Baltimore's won three in a
row at one at the White Sox five to three.
Minnesota's won four straight after a five to three win
against Texas. Defending champion Rangers have lost six in a row.
Washington added Seattle a fourth straight loss, three to one
wins for Oakland and Pittsburgh at home. Milwaukee a winner
at Boston sixty three, and the Kansas City Royals have
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won eight in a row. They got an eleven inning
victory at Tampa Bay seven to four. Rays have lost
six straight. We can update the softball third out recorded
Texas wins nine to eight and extra innings to for say,
game three of the best of three. Tomorrow we'll find
out who's going to the Women's College World Series.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Back to you.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
A lot of extra innings too of them.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Nobody man, nobody does an update, La Steve.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
It gets everything, every damn thing in there.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Now, real talk.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
I've respect the great jobs to you. Thank you. All right,
Martin and VJ. Coming to your life from the tirerack
dot Com studios. We will continue the conversation we were
having about Kaitlyn Clark right now. All right, here we go.
So the thing about this whole this whole discourse. To me,
it's that it ignores the fact that, yes, Caitlin Clark
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stormed onto a scene in the last two seasons of
women's college basketball, her and Angel re specifically from that
championship game, not the most recent one were South Carolina won,
the one before where LSU won, and there was a
whole big deal. I mean, we had literally the first
Lady of the United States weighing in on this, right,
So it was a conversation of the highest order. They
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the losers should go to the White House too, But
it's to the point, a conversation of the highest order, right,
you know what I'm saying. I bet the White House. Yeah,
I bet that Joe Biden was still what we were
talking about. But either way, what ends up happening is
there's there's a much more attention paid on women's college
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basketball in the season in the next season, the season
that just ended with South Carolina winning the title. Right,
and yes, sure, Caitlyn Clark was a Caitlin Clark and
Angel Ree specifically their kind of quote unquote on the
court rivalry because off the court they've been nothing but
uh yeah, spoke highly of each other right.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
But yeah, but I see I don't. I don't buy that.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
I don't. I don't believe in media driven, especially when
we're on the We are the media VJ you have.
You know, this is national media right now. Steve just
read out scores for several parts of the country. So
it's like whether if you're in Chicago, you're seeing the Cubs,
if you're in LA you're seeing the Dodgers. Kind of
the same deal here. We got to tweets from a
guy in Houston. We are the national media. So the
(27:27):
thing is it the hyper focus on women's college basketball
last year, I think has translated now to the w
NBA to the point where, yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
I see a ton of Kitler Clark coverage.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
I see a ton of cam Brient coverage, the second
overall pick from Stanford. I saw Camilla card does on
Angel Reese throwing out the first pitch at Wrigley.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Field a couple of days ago.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Angel rees bought a soccer team, right, there's and there
is uh. We are bringing these stars from that level
right to the next level, the next professional level. And
let's be honest, this is a lot for a lot
of people the first time that they have tuned into
the WNBA right now, I'll be hand up. I'll be
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honest with you. I'm not saying this is my first
time watching WNBA. When I started to get into the
WNBA was in twenty twenty, when they were the first
sport back. So I can't now, I couldn't tell you, like,
to be honest, if there was more like eighty five
other sports going on, like there is all the time,
a man never tuned in. But they were the first
sport back into the into the Wubble as they called it,
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right because they were the ones season hadn't quite started yet,
so they were able to have all the contingency plans
and bing banin boom all of a sudden, there you go. Right.
And then I did a project for school. I was
in school at the time. I did a project covering
the Wubble from far away, obviously from Los Angeles. Made
some contacts in the league, so I paid more attention
to it. Right. I know more about the WNBA than
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I do about hockey. For example, right like, we'll have
a hockey segment coming up, and that moment I will
probably turn the microphone off and go make a sandwich
because I got nothing to do there. I got to say,
all right, but what is happening is is people who
are I think, making straw man arguments saying that there's
players in the w NBA who are somehow quote unquote
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salty or whatever you want to say it, starting with
Diana Tarazzi after the Final four game, that are somehow
upset with what Kayln Clark is doing.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
And I just don't.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Believe that to be true. I don't believe that to
be true. And what ends up happening is we are
taking things that we accept in every other aspect of sports,
not only except but like it's expected.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Exactly expecting you want it to happen.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
When Jalen Johnson, cornerback for the Chicago Bears, says it says,
in so many words, whoever they draft, they head and
drafted Kaleb Williams by that, whoever they draft and the
first overall pick is gonna have to come into the
locker room and prove themselves.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Nobody says he's hating on Caleb Williams.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Everybody says that's absolutely right, and the conversation goes from
how does Caleb Williams adjust to the Bears locker room right,
that's the way that it goes. Right, When Anthony Edwards
says at the end of Game seven against Denver, he says,
I have Kyrie. Whether you thought that was him taking
shots or or not, I personally just thought he was
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matter of factly saying this is who I'm gonna be
guarding next game. He didn't sound it to me like
it was calling him out. We don't have a conversation
of does Anthony Edwards hate on Kyrie? No, of course not.
He just said that's who I'm guarding. Right, That's kind
of the way it was, And I think I don't.
Maybe it's just because we're as a country, we're newer
here than others, and this is a sport that has
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had several the very very passionate fan bases now and
becoming more of the grander conversation. But that's what I
think it is, and I think that's what l Duncan
is referencing. Is like, I don't think that Angel Wilson
is like I hate Kate and Clark. In fact, I
know she's not because I saw a video of her
saying how much he loves Caitlyn Clark prior to this game.
Right now, Agea Wilson, probably the best player in the
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league right great shot to win the MVP aces in
the midst of a dynasty run right now, they have
an opportunity to threepeat right now. But all the coverage
is centered around Caitlin Clark and what she's doing, and
I think that ends up brawing, that ends up drawing
people who are not necessarily as familiar with women's basketball
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as some of the other people to lead to conclusions
that are not true.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
Also another angle I bring this from with what I
took from what she was saying, is what are we
doing as far as it feels like you have to
come out and say that you love Caitlyn Clark. You
can't even have probably a neutral opinion about it, so
you say it, and then it's still people that's pushing,
you know, everybody's hating or the women and y'all should
(31:44):
be lucky for this or lucky for that, and things
of that nature. I took. That's something else I took
from it. And then to me, that still goes globally
outside of even the league, when it even comes to
people in the media or fans or things of that nature,
that it just feels like it's just almost shoved down
your throats, where if you don't just say she's the greatest,
she's the goat, then it turns into, oh, you guys
(32:04):
a hater on her, You guys should be thankful. Then
you have the pockets of people popping out saying their
individual things, where you have Barkley, who to me, if
I couldn't just really fast to me, I thought, and
I get it, Barkley's Barkley, Barkley whatever, but you're you're
at the Western Conference finals like you're covering the NBA game.
I didn't even understand what was even the point to
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even go and do that there and call out all
those women like that the way Barkley did. And I
get we can guess we're at the point where it's
just Barkley being Barkley. Well, yeah, cracks, just crack until
you know somebody takes in the ruins your.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Life, right, Okay, So this justice just I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
I don't live with that. I don't live Oh, it's
just such as a no. At some point, you know,
there's some decorum, some some some honor, some morals that
need to be to attack a whole legion of women
that way and say the way he said it, especially
on that broadcast, I didn't feel that well, it's just it's.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Just to me, it's out of place. There's nobody doing it.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
It becomes straw man versus straw man versus straw man.
A straw man argument is one.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
That okay, yeah, okay, yeah, it's just.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
One that is built on fundamental foundation of straws, like,
it's not something that is rooted in fact, because that's
something that's rooted in the basis of of of something
that is substantial to something that means. It's just you
see one person say something, and you see another person
say something, and all of a sudden, three.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
People now, now, now that's how the world feels.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
And it's just it's just it to me, it's not
true to me. It's it's it's case by case.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
And to me also is if you look at it
from a broader stroke, or you break it down and
look at it from what the ladies are not getting
or what she's getting or attention whatever. I just feel
in the totality of it, it's it's gonna be hard
for her to have to truly live up to what
is being put on her. And being put but once
again we were told she was the goat, she was
the great, She's gonna save a league and all these
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other things. The numbers her first game didn't draw what
the draft did in the and it's been going down.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
I don't I know, So I don't think that.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Matters, like because people are saying that to be like,
I really don't.
Speaker 6 (34:07):
Like.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
I don't cause people are saying, well, let me explain
this real fasts. People are saying they're gonna watch it,
and they're gonna support it, and they're gonna do it.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
I don't believe until I see it happen. I don't
believe that.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
I think people will get with it at first, and
as the summer goes on, you'll see it. You'll see
it dwindle off. That's what I think is gonna happen.
I think the w NBA was growing already.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
They already had two expansion teams that were already in
the works, and the idea that like there is a
ratings boost from Kaitlin Clark, Sure, whatever, but the Raidings
have been steady and that's the reason why they're adding
a team in the Bay Area and adding a team
in Toronto. That'll be that'll be starting to play at
twenty twenty six. That's not because Kateler Clark walked in
the league. That's not That's just not the way it
happened like that. Those were in play well before now.
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But I do want to go back to the men's
side of basketball. We have the Pacers and the Celtics
just tipped off eleven twenty four. Left there Boston with
a two nothing lead. Tyre's Halliburton is on the sideline
dressed like Harry Potter.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
I was about to say, I ain't gonna lie the
VARs sweater, but the round type glasses does give it
Harry Potter Fields.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
I mean, my man is interesting fashion choices. I'll say
that to say the least. But we saw something in
yesterday's Western Conference Final game that to me is completely
and totally unacceptable and it drives me up a wall,
and I'm gonna share it with you. Coming up next,
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Martin Wis's VJ has to be coming to your life
from the tire rack dot com studios. Last night, the
Dallas Mavericks beat the Minnesota Turblewolves at one oh nine
to oneh eight in.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
A tightly contested game. But there was one thing in.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Particular that drove me insane. J I was screaming at
the television to the point that Neighbors Center is he Okay,
I'm not sure that didn't.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
You screaming at the television. That's not you, that's not your.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Dang there was so Kyrie hit to three with one
minute left, right a one minute five seconds left. They
come down Tennessee. The Timberwolves have a two point lead,
one o way to one oh six.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Okay, Anthony Ever gets trapped.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
He passes the ball to Jaden McDaniels in a very
tough spot. The referee, Kyrie comes over, plays defense, the
ball is knocked out of bounds. The referee calls it
Timberwolves basketball Kyrie. And Kyrie, to his credit, is not
one of those guys who every time you see a
(36:38):
foul call, he's swinging.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
His finger around the air like review, reveal it, review
it right.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
He's not one of those guys We have not seen it.
Doesn't this one he could see. He was kind of earning.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
He's like, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
Reveal it. Review it. They review the call. The ball
sure was last touched by Jaden McDaniels, but it was
a click. The reason why he dropped the ball because
Kyrie struck him on the forearm. Did he That is
a foul? He it is a foul.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
That is a foul. As a foul it they review it.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
The announcers of the game are saying, like, whoever's on
the game, well, you know, the refs can't review a
foul that wasn't called. They can only review who touched
the ball last. If this is the way that things
are going to be, they just eliminate review because what
you're telling me is I'm the jack hole because I'm
(37:36):
sitting there saying that's a foul and I'm saying, oh wait,
it's a foul, but it doesn't matter. It's a foul
because Jada mcgamone has lost the ball. He lost the
ball because he got fouled. If you're gonna review it,
be able to review the whole thing, or don't reveal
it at all.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
And VJ not to mention Minnesota was in the bonus.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Okay, So not only is that a foul, Jadie mcgahndaniel
should have been shooting too free throws with forty seven
seconds left. It changed the entire complexion of the game. Instead,
Dallas gets another opportunity. Minnesota doesn't score again. Luka, doncis
Rudy gobarman have this dance? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (38:14):
Okay, I had his dad look like a cartoon character.
The cartoon character lay.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
But the old thing to me is J D. McDaniels
only lost the ball because he got fouled. If you're
gonna be able to review this, you have to be
able to review it to the point that it makes sense.
Like I would have been fine with them missing the
foul and calling it Wolve's ball, no free throws. Why
because it's hard to be an official. It's hard to
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be a referee, just like it's hard to be a player,
just like it's hard to be a player. We saw
Kyrie VIIs two free throws. When you see that it's hard.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Then kidd call that challenge? Was that kids call the
challenge to call Dallas hid Dallas challenges?
Speaker 4 (38:50):
Okay, so Dallas challenges well also to just real fast,
Jay Kidd, what timely challenges all playoffs long. He is
on a row right now now to this play. I
text Martin early we were talking about this. I say,
I gotta rebuttal for you. It just thought provoking. I
think you know if I'm the only one that's one.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Uh, you're right.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
Kyrie slaps the hell out of his wrist. Okay, you're right.
It's why he lost the ball. It's why he lost
the ball.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
But in the course of a basketball game, especially in
a playoff game, the screws tightened, calls a missed and
my rebuttal to that would be be stronger with the ball, bro,
Like real talk. You know they're coming, you know the
games on the line. You're down a one. You have
what you had home court because you lost game one.
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You need this one. Everything has to be tight. It's
the little things in sports that keeps you from winning
championships are collecting rings.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
It's those type of moments.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
He doesn't have the ball, Kyrie slaps his hand and
he loses the ball. He doesn't he's not zone and
he's not locked that. He's not playing tough and tight.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
That's it. You're right.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
He slapped his arm. But be be stronger with the ball, bro,
be stronger with your position. And you're right, you being
flimsy and just being weak looking around. You know they're coming,
they're coming to double, they're coming to try the foul,
to coming to slap that be pull the ball in tight,
take a foul, calls out whatever. But to have it
rolled out, I mean they mean to have it held
out the way he did. It's like, well, bro, you
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deserve to get that slap dig you get found.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
And if they had called the Dallas ball, I wouldn't
have cried about it, and they missed that. You gotta
grab the ball stronger. But if you're gonna if you're
gonna stop the damn game to show the freaking replay,
call what happened on the.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
Replay, how about Van Gundy saying? How about Van Gundy
saying they're gonna try to find a.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
Way to get this ball back the minute? And I'm like, no,
they can't. They can't find a way. They can tell
they made the mistake and missed the foul. But a
and in the course of a game, the gun that
miss some calls it is what it is. Yeah, it
was well what it is is terrible. That's absolutely terrible.
All right, I can't stand it. But did this NBA
star pull a Scooby Doode? Because where are you? That's right?
(41:05):
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talked about that. Do you have anything more to say
about instant replay because I can't stand it.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
No, I hate it a lot. No, to be honest
with you, it drives can do without it. I could
do without it.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
It doesn't.
Speaker 4 (41:29):
It doesn't make me as mad as it makes everybody else.
But if you really think about it, all this replay
started with malice at the Palace. It goes all the
way back to that where they ate. Replay was injected
for a thousand and doine. Hey, okay, well let's lose
it for calls. And it's in baseball. I never thought,
I never in my life thought if you just told
me ten years ago that baseball would have replay.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
I looked at you like you had two hands.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
I'm like, dude, it's baseball.
Speaker 4 (41:55):
That baseball I still thought was like the purest like
sport left in America as far as like the rules
and the play in which you get because everything else
gets changed so much. But it adn't bother me that much. Mark,
I can do without it, though I don't need you
to pretty much admit you were wrong. I can already
see it. The whole get the call right thing. To me,
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I hate that saying getting the call right.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
I do it the first time, then well that's it.
It's just like, Okay, let's slow it down frame by
frame right to see if the rotation of the ball
change because Jason Tatum didn't clip his fingernails. And I'm like,
you know, I just I can't stand that aspect of it.
It should be. Replay should be to get the obvious call,
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like the call that makes the most sense. And what
the call that made the most sense last night was
a foul on Cayrier every day McDaniel's two free throws
because they're in the bonus.
Speaker 4 (42:47):
The last quick thing about replay, as you just said,
to get the call right thing, and my thing is like,
is it this. You're gonna miss some calls and some
calls on his gregious as other calls. But at the
end of the day, we have replay. We went back
and looked through anything like like you said, every reframe,
every segment. We've been lied to in a lot of
great sports achievements in life. The first one that comes
to my mind is Jordan took off from the free
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throw line.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
No he didn't.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
You can see his foot clearly step over.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
But because that was just what we saw and there
was no replay, and we just went with that, and
it's been fine, it didn't changed, it's been it's been okay.
But if we had to break every damn thing down
by frame in sports, we'd almost probably would rewrite sixty
percent of what has happened.
Speaker 4 (43:27):
And we just can't have that. That's why I could
do without it. Referees get some right to get some wrong.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
Yeah, I feel like, unfortunately we're missing the plot. We're
just missing the plot of this. And then honestly, another
one that we're missing the plot of is and then
this is again an argument that I've seen on social
but it's not just it is not just limited to
this one. Player, but something that I see all the
time whenever somebody loses, and that just it's lame to me.
(43:54):
It's so lame to me because Anthony Edwards has not
played well offensively this series. He is not that that
is an undeniable fact, and people are just having and
as you know, I say, hand up my bad. I
hate when people do this. It's maybe it's just the
people that I follow or come down my timeline because
who even knows who follows who anymore because Elon ruined
(44:16):
it with the for you page. You know, he used
to be the for you page my timeline. That's the
people I follow you for me, they were for me.
That's the people that now you just see all these
people randomly popping up in your in your feed.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
But like some of the pushback.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
On Anthony Edwards is really driving me crazy because this kid,
instead of seeing that he's twenty two years old, instead
of seeing that this is the longest playoff run that
he has been in his entire career, instead of seeing
that the Minnesota Timberwolves are in a place they have
not been since Kevin Garnett was in Minnesota, instead of
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that it's oh, Anthony Edwards where were you when you
were supposed to do this? Oh?
Speaker 2 (45:01):
I thought you were supposed to be Michael Jordan, this
and that, like.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
And I don't know who in the reality is saying
these Like someone can remind you of a player without
having to say that you expect this player to do
all of the things that that other player did, Like, uh.
Speaker 4 (45:20):
What I supposed to people in our business do do, Martin.
And it's lame that they do it. It's lame that
they do it.
Speaker 1 (45:26):
And you know what that I'm not even talk about
people necessarily in the business. I'm talking about just the
society at large. It fields It just drives me insane.
And it's also let's not forget that he's he. Anthony
Edwards is one of the few players in the NBA
who is the primary scoring option for his team by
a long shot, and also the second our first best
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defensive option on his team. Like people talk about Luka
doncis being not now. I saw this going yesterday. Luca
Donci is not the best player in the world, all right, whatever.
I think that is a title that means very little
in the grand scheme of life. Right Who is the
best player of the world right now? Because if you
has anybody to start of the playoffs as joking now to.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
Me, To me, it got old ten years ago. It's
just like who.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
I don't I truly don't give a damn who the
best player in the world is. Like do you even
really know strawberry vanilla chocolate is all ice cream. It's
all ice cream, strawberry. See, and I wouldberry strawberry would
have been my third option. Wow, So there you go.
But you know what if the option is no ice
(46:33):
cream or strawberry ice cream, I think I would take
the strawberry. Right, That's the whole point of this, Like,
that's the whole point. It's lame to do it, and
it is. It is neglecting the fact that he when
he's talking about a guy being a two way player,
like Luka Doncis is not guarding Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
He's guarding Mike Conley, who was in college at the
same time as me. Like it's seventeenth okay, here, I think.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
I remember seeing Mike Conley at Ohio State when I
was in high school. Yeah, he w went to the
game they played they played many many average right, yeah
you were school Okay, So like Kyrie Irving as good
a defense as he is.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
Playing in this series, he ain't gardened.
Speaker 1 (47:13):
You know what I'm saying, Like he's he's guardian Anthony
Edwards some but you know they're they're hiding these guys defensively,
Like we'll see Jason Tatum, who is he gonna He
wouldn't guarden Tyre's Halliburton in this series, and Tyree's Halliburton
wasn't guarden Jason Tatum. Right, there's nuance that should be
injected into these conversations that is just not And I
(47:34):
feel like, for whatever reason, it all comes back to Lebron.
It all comes back to trying to discredit some of
the things that Lebron did along the way. And I
can get it now because like I was a kid
when Lebron hype started, Now I hear the same type
of hype with a wim min yama, right, And I
promise you, handed up hand to God, I will not
be this person who is saying, oh, look, Victor Mavajall
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only had forty three points on seven for ten shooting
at eighty nine three throw like no, no, you know what,
but he kicked it to the corner in the last moment,
it's like, we got to stop doing this and just
appreciate the fact of what's actually happening. Like, who has
negative things to say about Jalen Brunson after the next show?
You know what I'm saying, Like people did though, but that,
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but that, And to me, if you have negative things
to say about him after that ship, you are missing
the whole point of what makes this game fun, what
makes it beautiful, Like, you're missing the entire point.
Speaker 4 (48:30):
Yeah, this is what I would say to an this.
This would be my only critique of him. He's not
shooting well. He's eleven to thirty three or now twenty
five percent seven and nineteen two things that one during
the series I'm seeing in one app before the series.
I like, but he can reel it back. And this
isn't a knock. This is more I'm coming at it
like uncle V. I'm coming at it like a OG
(48:50):
giving a young dude who I like, who I've tapped
a superstar. He is on my list.
Speaker 1 (48:55):
I don't care what he is on anybody else's list.
Speaker 4 (48:57):
I have him as a superstar because you watch VIM
to see him. He's being compared to some of the
greatest players of all time. They don't do that to
role players. It happens to the guys that are superstars.
The two things that I would take is stop chucking threes.
Where's your attack game? This series it's been and it's
not just this serious. The last three games of that
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Nugget series, he launched a lot of jumpers.
Speaker 1 (49:21):
Not sure if that's confidence. Not sure if that's your
your your cardio? Have you hit?
Speaker 2 (49:25):
Have you hit a wall? Reggie Miller keeps bringing that
up during.
Speaker 4 (49:28):
The telecast, that he's you know, he's he's gassed, he's gassed.
I would say, you know, you know a little harsh bad.
You're twenty two. At twenty two, you're that next dude,
you're that franchise guy. You can't be gassed in May.
You can't maybe at thirty seven and thirty eight or
thirty six and thirty five years old, Yeah, but not
at twenty two.
Speaker 2 (49:45):
If you're that guy. That's one thing. The second thing
is I don't mind the charismaticness. I don't mind the talk.
Speaker 4 (49:50):
I don't mind it, but sometimes it feels like he's
trying to show us, like like who he is.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
It's brand.
Speaker 4 (49:58):
It feels like that it feels like you're you're trying
to show me, and that's cool, bro, but let it
play out more on the core and then it will
be more acceptable as time goes on. Because you're right,
I didn't really take it as he called out Kyrie.
Speaker 1 (50:11):
But that's not the world that we live in.
Speaker 4 (50:13):
That's not the world in the society you said the
man because even myself like, okay, you know you guarded Kyrie.
We already know it, but you made it a point
to go ahead and say it. And you know what,
I'm gonna guard Kyrie.
Speaker 1 (50:28):
Shut his water off. That's what he said.
Speaker 4 (50:31):
But there is a portion of his personality that you
can look at it and go, Okay.
Speaker 2 (50:35):
He's a young kid with some moxy.
Speaker 1 (50:37):
He's not.
Speaker 4 (50:37):
He may not have called him out, but he threw
his name out there like, and you know that he
knows me and Kyrie.
Speaker 1 (50:43):
I got I got Kyrie. That's how he said it.
Speaker 4 (50:45):
He goes, Oh, it's gonna be fun to match up
against Kyrie's I got Kyrie. When you play ball and
you say I got you, I got Martin. If I
show up to the car, I got Martin, I'm calling it.
I don't want nobody I got Martin. I don't want
nobody else. So and the first half of Game.
Speaker 1 (50:59):
One, again I gonna say, I don't I'm shutting everybody down.
Speaker 2 (51:04):
He just matter of fact he said, yeah, I'm gonna
guard Kyrie.
Speaker 1 (51:07):
Hold up, Hold up.
Speaker 2 (51:08):
Kyrie took it a certain way.
Speaker 4 (51:09):
That's the way he came out in game one, the
way Afro Reed came out in Game one. You could
tell that was okay. But yeah, you do got me.
But let me let me show you. You a young
bucket you coming, but let me show you. Let me
show you who I am. Let me remind some of
you guys that I'm still Uncle Drew. Like that first
half was Kyrie special. But I believe the competitor in Kyrie.
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You take a piece of that, and it's like, oh, yeah,
I got that. If you and I went to.
Speaker 1 (51:35):
The court right now, Martin and we're gonna play two
other guys, And somebody made the point about, yeah I
got Martin. That don't do a little something to you
as a competitor, like, yeah, you got me, bro, if
somebody comes to you, I'm gonna shut this m effort
DOWNE that is coming off on and that is coming
off of him leaving the Rein up to Game seven,
I had Jamal in, I had him in handcuffs, like
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you know it, did you know? There's show? Yeah, a little.
I don't have a problem with talking trash. I don't
have a problem with him talking trash, not one bit.
So I think that wasn't what it was in the
postgame interview. I think a little piece of it was.
I do none of none of his body language, none
of the way he said it, none of that. He
just matter of fact he said I got Kyrie the
same way that when people were like in this postgame
interview when he said he was exhausted, like he was
(52:18):
looking for an excuse. He legitimately said, look, I was exhausted.
I'm gonna be better next game. I will be prepared
and better. Was he better? No, But that was his response.
He didn't have his head down, he wasn't burying, attaching,
he wasn't bile. I was exhausted.
Speaker 4 (52:32):
I agree with you, and that I didn't take that
as an exten it's not. You can see we can
see you're we can see it. We can see it.
Speaker 1 (52:38):
I'll put about this. Let's make it rule if you can.
If it is obvious and plain what the athlete is
talking about. It's not it's not bulletib woar material least
at least at least for us to the meeting, right
if it is obvious and playing, because I would have
told you.
Speaker 2 (52:52):
Look if I had told you, if people say that that.
Speaker 1 (52:56):
Did you see that? Yeah, I absolutely did it. But
if people had told you day one one of the playoffs,
that's gonna be the Mavericks and the Timberwolves in the
Western Conference Finals, first of all, everybody be like no, no,
But but I'm just saying, if just just suspend believe
for a moment and say that somebody told you that.
Speaker 2 (53:12):
I said, who do you think is that the guard Kyrie?
Speaker 1 (53:14):
Your first thought would have been either Anthony Edwards or
j D McDaniels, Like that would be like that, like
like that's just the way it's obvious. Who was supposed
to go to town?
Speaker 2 (53:24):
No, I would have I would have thought Conley.
Speaker 1 (53:27):
Conley would have guarded Kyrie.
Speaker 4 (53:28):
Yeah, that's he's been kind of he's been he's been
kind of guarded him in this series. I mean, Kyrie
is giving them all work, you know what I'm saying,
Like when he turns it on last night he was
at one point five points and it did with two
for seven or two.
Speaker 1 (53:39):
Freight or something like.
Speaker 4 (53:40):
But he wasn't he wasn't into his game. He was
it was Lucas Knight. It was time for Luca. But
it was time for Kyrie to start hitting threes, to
start getting going. When he his first three in the
series last night. He didn't have a three in Game one,
Game two, so he is he his first series, his
first of all three pointer in the serious last name
to the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1 (53:59):
So imagine how different the conversation would be if they
had called that foul foul. Jade McDaniels makes two free
throws and they have a four point lead, and I'm
just saying, I'm just saying, hypothetically, if they called that foul,
Jay McDaniels gives them a four point lead, one ten
to one oh six, and Kyrie, who had just missed
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two free throws on the other side of the ball,
that would have that would have been a you know,
apologized to his dad, to Ford too. It would have
been a lot different storylines that would have came out
of this one. But it changed the series. Because the
series is over I'm not going. I am. I'm not going.
Everybody said the series is over when Minnesota went up
(54:40):
two on Denver, but again they did. But you're skipping
apart because everybody said the series was over again.
Speaker 4 (54:48):
When Denver won two games. I want I won't change Minnesota.
I won't change my mind. All right, I'm saying I
won't change my mind.
Speaker 1 (54:53):
Chris said it the other day. Christmas said the other day,
I've never heard something tru were spoken about the NBA playoffs.
When one team wins a game, it seems like, how
could this team ever lose again? Another team losing that
game win. I'm not seeking this seriously though, I know.
But we'll see. There's a reason why these things go
six or seven. But we had a commentator make a
(55:15):
bold proclamation not too long ago. Martin and v J.
Will see if they agree. Coming up next Fox Sports Radio.
I started laughing because it's tyreech Haliverton just came on
the screen again with his other Pacers sweater. Now it's mustard,
it's mustard. Still he's wearing the same. You know what
people have been talking mess about this. I'm in favor
(55:38):
of the union. The PACER's wearing the same jersey every game.
Why these gold joints. Yeah, they've been wearing the same ones.
You know what has else? Every time I turned the
TV on, I know exactly what I'm looking at. Yeah,
I turned on the Tigers today, Detroit Tigers. That the
steady connection. Who hell is this? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (55:53):
And Fridays they got their throwback something. Yeah, Baseball's crazy.
Speaker 1 (55:57):
Martin and VJ Martin Wise, VJ. Bernard Husky coming to
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Fox Sports Radio Tyreus Haliburton dressed like I did when
I was in college. Y'all.
Speaker 2 (56:16):
Let me tell you on the varsity sweater.
Speaker 4 (56:18):
Oh that's the old sixties malt shop, back to the future,
biff joint right there.
Speaker 1 (56:24):
I like varsity sweaters.
Speaker 4 (56:26):
They don't yeah, they don't bother me long you put
it like a big letter custom joint, or like a
big V or.
Speaker 1 (56:30):
A big h on idrock.
Speaker 2 (56:31):
You know, some jeans fitted, some sneaks and chain on.
Speaker 1 (56:34):
You Frish it looks like he's going to a job
interview in Los Angeles.
Speaker 4 (56:37):
Yeah, or brunch or hey, that's brunch right there, that's
at the Marina. That's a Marina brunch outfit.
Speaker 1 (56:45):
Eight minutes left in the second quarter of the Game
three of the Eastern Conference Finals Indiana with they forty
one to thirty seven lead over the Boston Celtics. Right now,
Steve de Seger will be all over that in just
about five minutes. But first, you know what, actually, shortly
after the show hour, we'll be going up and we
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off of the year. So before game one is the
Game one of the Western Conference Finals, Van Gundy said this,
we'll pretty sure.
Speaker 2 (57:20):
Kind of like in the beginning of the first quarter,
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (57:25):
It wasn't leading up to Game one, and he said
I'm paraphrasing here Minnesota, which Minnesota had a great defense
all season. He said Minnesota's great defense is going to
have trouble with what he deemed to be the best
offensive backcour of all time. And then Reggie Miller goes, what, yeah, history,
(57:47):
It's like, hey, hey, hey, hey, turn it down from
from from ten to five, right there, Reggie about that?
Speaker 4 (57:53):
I mean, Jesus Lord, Reggie's got that's it. That's the
thing that in Are you kidding me? That's Reggie things
the what and are you kidding me? But uh listen, man,
I couldn't decide whether I liked it or didn't like it.
What I thought it was was actually kind of cool.
And he he's got a point. But then my mind
quickly goes through you know, two or three, maybe four
(58:14):
other backcourts in the history of the game that I go, Okay,
uh yeah, you got Zeke and Dumars who won two championships. Okay,
you got you got Klay and Chef who's won four.
I even throw in their Chauncey in Ai people. When
AI got shipped out of Philly gots he didn't lose
a step. He still went to Denver, went mellow, and
(58:35):
with Chauncey in the back court the one two it
was still averaging twenty six, twenty seven, twenty.
Speaker 2 (58:40):
Eight points a night. He was still doing that.
Speaker 4 (58:42):
That backcourt just happened to run into a very determined,
probably one of the most determined one season athletes I've
ever seen, Kobe Bryant, and they lost in six in
the Western Conference Finals.
Speaker 2 (58:54):
My list kind of stopped there.
Speaker 4 (58:55):
I really I thought maybe Chauncey and Rip, but Rip
was more more of a kind of run off the screen,
mid range kind of guy. He had to work on
the three that came later, uh in his career.
Speaker 1 (59:06):
But and those are the other three.
Speaker 4 (59:07):
But hey, man, when you talk about what Luca is
right now and you talk about what what Kyrie the
way he has really developed, people have to also realize
this that Jason's kidd told us this like face to
face verbally, he's the vet leader of this team. This
isn't Luca's team. Guys by marketing and that type of standard. Yeah,
but in that locker room, Kyrie's the vet here. Kyrie's
(59:29):
the guy that's kind of got these guys going right
now where they are.
Speaker 2 (59:34):
So man, it's you know, it's.
Speaker 4 (59:38):
Not true, but it's a fun topic, I said, And
it does make you think, bro I said, they have
potential to be.
Speaker 1 (59:47):
It makes you they're on the short list. It's not
a long list, No, dude, I don't.
Speaker 4 (59:50):
I mean I literally just could get to Did I
miss any Did you think mars?
Speaker 1 (59:55):
I say, play stuff? And like I said, I had
to throw chance and and if depending on how far
back you want to go out there, you have to
consider Celtics Jerry West and you know I mean they.
Speaker 4 (01:00:06):
Were yeah, no, no, no, that counts. That counts West and
good Rich. Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
How far you depending how far you want to go back? Well,
he said ever, but that is true. He did say,
he said everage, so I could go back as far
as I want forever?
Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
Is Celtic teams too?
Speaker 6 (01:00:23):
Right?
Speaker 4 (01:00:23):
That Kozi and who had been who would have been a?
Was it Sam Jones or Caz Please don't get mad
at me. People on their miss some of those names.
Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
I haven't have to go back to some of that stuff.
But to me, though, it is now, if you were
to take both of these players at the at the
height of their powers, right then I think it would
be without question right uh with Luca Luca. Just to
be clear, I think Lucas at the height of his
powers now, Kyrie on the downs.
Speaker 4 (01:00:49):
He's only twenty five man, Luca's only twenty five years old, and.
Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
If he went the finals and the finals MVP right now,
I think it's pretty much solidifying a Hall of Fame career.
Kyrie Irving will have a Hall of Fame career in
the back hall of career right now. And the thing
about Kyrie, the thing that makes me say, if you
had them both at the height of their powers, is
Kyrie is not you know, he's not Cleveland Kyrie. He's not. No,
that's he will have a twenty four point first half
(01:01:17):
right and finished with thirty. Yeah, but it's on and
one after the fall. Dude. It's like it's like when
you have an actor or something like that, who you know,
we remember when they were in their in their prime
and the gotcha when they're hitting things out of the park.
And now they're doing like The Ocean's Eleven types and
they have like three or four scenes where it's like, damn,
(01:01:37):
he really got this thing in the bag. He knows
what he's doing with this, and then you know, you know,
but you can tell he's like, Okay, he can't carry
the full film anymore.
Speaker 4 (01:01:46):
Yeah, they get one late season pop actor, that comes
to my mind. I love that analogy. By way, it's
a great analogy. Ed O'Neil aka Al Bundy.
Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
Right, so you could carry he could carry all married
with children, right, he could carry that. It was in
Blue Chips right or But like now in Modern Family,
some of his some of his scenes are the best scenes,
but not necessarily the focus of the entire show exactly.
Speaker 4 (01:02:12):
But later in his career, when does he bounced backwy
that New Clippers thing, that New Clippers show that's coming out.
He's playing Donald Stirling, who's the main care So that's
that's what I'm saying. The analogies person give him called
Oh yeah, no, no, the analogy is perfect. You go
from Al Bundy to he's the report in Blue Chips.
That's trying to ruffle Nick Nolty. For you guys out
there listening to remember Blue Chips, that character is Al Bundy.
He also played in another small part, but tomorrow's analogy, yeah,
(01:02:35):
big part. Then you kind of attach on to some
movies people still say, oh yeah, he's still good, but
he can't carry it. But you kind of got one
more left in you are a couple more left on
you in the backside.
Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
Every remind me of why I like you so much.
Speaker 1 (01:02:49):
I think it was Toby Keith that said I'm not
as good as I once was, but I'm a good
once as I ever was.
Speaker 4 (01:02:54):
Ooh, and Toby Keith, hold on because you guys make
fun of my music stuff. That's a that's a country singer, right, yes, okay,
all right, cool?
Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
I take that win.
Speaker 6 (01:03:03):
Man.
Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
If I didn't know what it was, you guys would
be clown to me.
Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
Hey, Steve, I got it. I got one for you, Steve.
You ready for this? Ben Shephard, Indiana Pacers rookie starting
is the first rookie to start a conference finals since
twenty eighteen.
Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
Jason Tatum, were you about to say it in your update?
Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
Of certainly not?
Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
I just you know, Steve, Steve's get all the facts, Steve.
Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
No, not all. Somebody get all the facts. I just
want today.
Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
You do not want to shut it up? I'm up?
Speaker 3 (01:03:32):
They be daily one opt on.
Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
Facts.
Speaker 3 (01:03:34):
Facts are a good thing.
Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
He does know who? Albert though?
Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
More facts? And actually what you mentioned the Lakers. As
soon as Van Gundy said that, my first thought live
was does he not remember the Lakers like I know?
Technically Elgin Baylor, for example, was probably not a guard.
But before Gail Goodrich's Weston Baylor would do. I mean, okay,
that's and that is part I just need to say
this out loud. That is part of basketball history. By
(01:03:57):
the way, wherever it's a mighty long time, even if
it was before we were born. You can't say in
history if you don't mean history.
Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
Perry agree, That's why I lost.
Speaker 3 (01:04:11):
I can't tell you the amount of times I've heard people,
including in this building, who said, yeah, well you know
I wasn't alive when Sandy kovid it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
Yeah, well that was back when they were only what
you think, how.
Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
Much member of Willie Bays or Baber doesn't matter. They're
part of history. We got six minutes to go, second
quarter at Indiana. This is Game three of the NBA's
East Finals, and the Pacers are now leading the Boston
Celtics fifty one to forty two. Each team was shooting
close to sixty percent from the floor for much of
the first quarter. Pacers set sixty four percent from the
(01:04:43):
floor for the first half. Right now, these are the
two best offenses in the league from the regular season.
Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
In fact, the.
Speaker 3 (01:04:50):
Pacers were number one. They averaged one hundred and twenty
three points per game, which was top ten highest for
a season in league history. Miles Turner, their center, has
fifteen points in the first half, Jason Tatum of Boston
with eighteen. It is right now Pacers fifty five forty
four over the Celtics. Celtics took the first two games
of the series at home, and yes, Pacers guard Tyrese Haliburton,
(01:05:12):
with his strained hamstring, is out tonight, at least he
left in the third quarter. Last game in the WNBA,
Minnesota defeated New York today and right now, Connecticut, which
is four and oh, has taken the lead at Chicago
late third quarter sixty six sixty two. Last night, Indiana,
which was ozho and five, came back to win at
LA Indiana is a big underdog at champion Las Vegas,
(01:05:33):
but second quarter the Indiana fever in the lead thirty
two to twenty six. Even though rookie Caitlin Clark is
one of five shooting from the floor five points. In
the NHL Game two of the West Final, eight minutes
to go second period, it is still tied. Edmonton won,
Dallas won Oilers took the opener of the series in
double overtime. NASCAR's Coca Cola six hundred is Sunday Night
(01:05:55):
on Fox TV from Charlotte, with the temperature near ninety there.
Ty Gibbs earned his career poll. He's twenty one years old.
Chase Elliott won today's Infinity Race. The ND five hundred
is scheduled for tomorrow. Thunderstorms are expected there though. As
for Major League Baseball, a couple of games on Fox TV,
depending on your region. Cincinnati, where it's due to rain tomorrow,
(01:06:16):
They're gonna get this game in tonight. The Reds are
leading three to one over the Dodgers in the bottom
of the eighth and top of the eighth that Saint
Louis Cubbs ahead of the Cardinals four to three. Tilly's
tied one to one in the first at Colorado. Kansas
City won it's eighth straight game and eleven inning win
at Tampa Bay seven to four. Each team had scored
one run in the tenth.
Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
Back to you, thanks Steve Martin, I VJ coms a
lot from the ti raq dot com studios. Right now,
the Indiana fever right now, given the Vegas Ace is
a pretty good game. Remember the Vegas Aces back to
back WBA champions thirty four to twenty nine. As a Leah,
Boston hits a jumper with six something left in the
second quarter. There, But what are you seeing out of
(01:06:56):
this Pacers Celtics game? Steve just had all the details
with VJ. What's your opinion?
Speaker 3 (01:07:01):
Man?
Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
What I just said to you during the break?
Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
Did did?
Speaker 4 (01:07:04):
This is a game for Boston if you're that team,
if you're that squad, and y'all know what I'm talking about,
you listeners, you understand what I'm describing. That squad that's
picked to win. It been the dominant squad all year long.
You should go hang a banner, no excuse type of
season championship with bus and you go up two zero,
(01:07:25):
You go on to Row four, Game three in the
Eastern Conference Finals and their star players out. This is
a kick them in their head while they're down game.
This is a ten, fifteen, twelve, twenty point win. I
told Mark during break, we used to think Laker Kobe
and the walking through the West and walk was it
was so boring. The Spurs smacking everybody around for three
(01:07:47):
rounds was so boring.
Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
Back to Jordan back.
Speaker 4 (01:07:50):
We always say we want competition, and then teams are
supposed to live up to all these other teams on
these lists that we put up with.
Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
What the team beat this team, What this team do this?
What this team do? These are the games that tell you.
Speaker 4 (01:08:02):
Now that's not to say they can't go win the championship,
but these are the games that tell you, yeah, it's
just kind of laid out for you, guys if you
go win it, because nights like this, you shouldn't be
down to this Indiana team right now. Miles Turner is
killing you. You're supposed to be one of the better
defensive and offensive squads in the league and you and
you're show and you're showing up like this. This This
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is why I don't trust the Celtics. This is exactly
why they're proving it again. Now, are they gonna probably
gonna win this series? Yes, if Tyres is out again,
there would have to be a catastrophic for foot Balls
not to win this series. But I go back and
look at things like this. If they don't win it
all this year, this will be a game. I'll go
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back and sit in the same chair and say, guys,
I told you during Game three that you just couldn't
trust them. They were showing you that night and a game.
Not to say they can't even come back and win
this game tonight. But down eleven on the row, five
or four, let's going into the half. I mean, what
are you doing? No continuity, no movement, a lot of
kind of standing around. I sold basketball, either hit or
(01:09:05):
make the three. And like Martin and I was saying,
as they turned the ball over right now and it's
about to give up another fast break dunk to Siakam.
You know it's crazy, man. That's where I'm at with
this game right now. You can't trust Boston. Yeah, And
it's weird to say because they've only lost two playoff games.
This entire shit, this entire run.
Speaker 1 (01:09:24):
Y are you know?
Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
But I agree with you. They feel incomplete.
Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
They feel like something's missing. And I don't know if
his style of play, I don't know what it is. Well,
I know I dislike the way they play. I think
they shoot way too many threes. They don't you know,
it's just too much Barians when it comes into all
of that type of stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
But I said it before the game started.
Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
I like Indiana's chances today as they take a sick
what is that a fifteen point leader.
Speaker 4 (01:09:45):
They're missing a dog man, they're missing smart, they're missing
Grant trusting those moves.
Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
And we talked about it on the show. I called
those moves out.
Speaker 4 (01:09:53):
When they happen, not immediately, not March or April or
even January, February. No, those moves didn't mat Then those
type of moves will show up in May and June
when you are playing the same team for seven games
and a week and a half straight, the way they
spread out playoff games.
Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
Now, your deficiencies don't go away.
Speaker 4 (01:10:13):
They're going to show TJ McConnell, this dude should not
be balling like this against you, against the talent that
you have, Jayleen, Jayden bro, Jalen Brown and Holiday.
Speaker 2 (01:10:25):
On the perimeter.
Speaker 4 (01:10:26):
How is this guy getting off and driving and hitting
runners and getting around the paint as he gets an
up and under and another in another bucket as I'm
talking right now, like he just drove around in the paint.
Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
Mcconne's a good player, you know, that's that's fine. I
think he should he be doing Should he be doing
this to them with no Halliburton on his on the floor.
In my opinion, he's getting good shots. I mean, I
don't expect him to score like he's got twelve now.
Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
I'd be shocked if he cracks twenty.
Speaker 4 (01:10:51):
Hey, the way the way he hooping right now, twenty
twenty might be you know, twenty might be in reached
for him. I got him getting twenty, not over twenty
right on the dot for a tej.
Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
But I think this last possession that we just saw
really emphasizes what just happens. Right, So Boston misses a shot,
Al Horford gets the rebound, kicks out to Jason Tatum
who steps into a three point shot. There's no like
flow reset, there's no screens, there's no like when you watched.
Part of the reason why I liked watching The Next
Place so much of this postseason was because they.
Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
Had an offensive identity.
Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
Yeah, well TV steps out of bounds there, but they
had offensive identity.
Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
You know, it's a good thing.
Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
Replay you know exists, But the Knicks have a bad
They were running sets. You know, they run sets. Part
of the thing that drives to be crazy about the
Timberwolves is how many sets they run. Sometimes they'd be
like yo one four flat get Anthony ever the ball
at the top of the key and don't give them
the option to pass anybody. It's like, we're going down
with you, you know, like that that's what I would
like to see, you know, but you see.
Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
That more and more and more in the NBA.
Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
But this Boston is taking the pace in space the
three point you know, the three point barrage strategy that
Golden State employed. And that's the last team that went
to the back to back finals, right, Golden State Warriors.
But the difference is you had two of the best
shooters of all time.
Speaker 4 (01:12:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
Right, and Clay Tomes like if I you know, if
I have kids, who I will show they do what
Clay Thompson does when he shoots? Are you kidding me? Yeah?
Like that was the form shooting personifie Clay Thompson. And
Steph Curry of course with his incredible range, and we
see him now his game trickling down to you know,
little girl girls like Heyler Clark of trying to you know,
(01:12:39):
emulating some of the similar style. And now it's nothing
for some people to shoot logo three pointers. But Steph
before trust me, guys, if you started watching this thing
a few years ago.
Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
STEP's been doing this since he was at Davidson.
Speaker 4 (01:12:49):
Uh yeah high school also too. Just a few old
school names I could throw in there. You want to
put some tape on and watch guys shoot. Glenn Rice Hersey,
Hawkins Dale Curry, Moore a Chris Jackson had just just
a pretty my data barrels three point specialists back in
the day for the SuperSonics and a few other teams.
Sixers played for some other squads in the league, but
(01:13:12):
with Boston, as you said, they have no identity. So
it's either launched the bomb, launched the threes, but they
should have an identity because, once again, as I do
with the whole Caitlyn Clark narrative, if you're telling me
that Jason Tatum is, you know, this upper echelon and
top league player, and so is Jalen Brown, then you
got to create some type of identity when you got
(01:13:34):
two guys that are that damn good, you're telling me
they're this good, but you don't.
Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
Have an identity.
Speaker 4 (01:13:39):
Did you just get lucky this year with the win
total because the East was so bad and because Embiid
went down, You have some other injuries on.
Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
Some other teams. I think the margin between first and second.
You can directly point at the Milwaukee Bucks. Oh yeah,
they should have. They should have been somewhere like six
games behind first place. Yeah, I think if you really
look at and they went.
Speaker 4 (01:13:58):
Through some injuries to Jannis, miss Tim Middleton, miss time. Hey,
they fired a coach like they were doing from the beginning.
When you fired coach, that's thirty four and twelve, I'll
never are thirty two and fourteen, thirty in thirteen, thirty thirteen,
thank you, thirty thirteen still, but thirty and thirteen. You
fire your coach, you deserve all the bad luck that
you're gonna get. As Boston puts, as I'm sitting here trashing,
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they put the other running the mat ato running a minute.
Speaker 1 (01:14:22):
Here, but it's real quick because we got to go
to break in just a second. I don't want to
say this because it drives me nuts. Everybody says this,
this draft is going to stink or whatever. But every
year we see someone in the playoffs with a rookie
player who's playing big time minutes and shout out to
Ben Shephard. Right, I was a twenty sixth pick in
last year's draft. Now starting in a finals Eastern Conference Final.
Speaker 4 (01:14:42):
I got one better than that, man, I gave Miss
Pross watching the game out loud last night, I did not.
I didn't believe Derek Lively would be that. I thought
he was going to be some cut coming out of Duke.
I thought that kid was going to be some salt.
Let me tell you something, man, that kid's got a
little active Joe Kim noah uh kind of young DeAndre
and him.
Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
He is very, very act.
Speaker 4 (01:15:02):
He can't do a lot when you get the ball,
but if you just get him around the rim, tell
him to just block some shots, get some boards.
Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
He's doing very well as a rookie.
Speaker 1 (01:15:10):
For speaking of all those names, we'll come up next
to a play a game of who you Got with
a big Pat Martin VJ, Fox Sports Radio. Martin VJ
coming to a line from the Ti rack dot com studios.
By the way, you hit us up on Twitter, I'm
at Martin y DVJ at the Big Vanilla Funding and
of course at Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
Let's go ahead, Pat, fire it up.
Speaker 5 (01:15:30):
All right, Martin VJ at his time for the sensation
sweeping the nation, It's time for who you got, and
Martin VJ. I don't know about you guys, but I
feel like I've been on a little bit of a
hot streak going on.
Speaker 1 (01:15:43):
Don't lie to yourself.
Speaker 5 (01:15:44):
I'm not lying to myself. I'm speaking nothing but truth here.
With that said, we're going into a new one of
who you Got in this theme, we're actually gonna go
into the football this week. We're going football since OTAs
are high and thriving. A that said, Martin VJ, I
got three little hints free and then we're gonna go
into it. So, Martin VJ.
Speaker 1 (01:16:04):
Who you Got?
Speaker 5 (01:16:04):
Let's go with hint number one. This man started out
actually before he became into the NNFL. He actually started
off in high school playing rugby and actually played in
what was his uh the championship for his own rugby
in his high school.
Speaker 2 (01:16:21):
Number two.
Speaker 5 (01:16:23):
He is actually a relative to PGA tournament golfer Tony
Finow and former of power forward Jabari Parker. Number three,
we're gonna go with this one. He is a one
time first team and one time second team All Pac
(01:16:45):
twelve player.
Speaker 1 (01:16:48):
In his team and second team.
Speaker 5 (01:16:49):
First yeah, one time first team and second team and
that's in the Pac tel So With that said, let's
get started. Martin VJ. Who you got?
Speaker 1 (01:16:57):
I got a guess, Okay, go for it.
Speaker 5 (01:16:59):
Toby Gerhart, Oh, I like I like that, but it's
not it played rugby.
Speaker 1 (01:17:03):
That's what I like that. I guess was going to
be a stand for running back as well.
Speaker 5 (01:17:06):
A Christian McCaffrey, Hey, CMC sighting. No, it is not
either one of those cool love the Toby Gerhart thing, though.
Speaker 1 (01:17:15):
Number one of those guys are related to Jabari Parker.
Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
I need to see the family trait.
Speaker 1 (01:17:19):
That's a good for.
Speaker 5 (01:17:21):
That's fair, all right.
Speaker 1 (01:17:28):
Sorry, it's a very good voice.
Speaker 5 (01:17:30):
It's fair all right. Here here's a I'll give you
some more a piece of the puzzle. He is a
five time pro bowler, He has made first team All
Pro twice, and he is a one time Super Bowl champion.
Speaker 1 (01:17:46):
I got a guess.
Speaker 5 (01:17:47):
Okay, go for it. No, I love that, but no
it is no I wish five.
Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
Time Pro bowler, one time All Pro?
Speaker 5 (01:17:56):
Uh two times two times.
Speaker 2 (01:17:57):
Two two times All Pro, one time Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (01:18:00):
Yes, yes, I love the shout out to the Sea
Seahawks and Richard Sherman.
Speaker 4 (01:18:04):
Respect super rugby in high school Pack twelve first and
second team.
Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
Five time Pro Bowler, Yes, Sir.
Speaker 1 (01:18:12):
Thao time all Pro. So he's pretty damn good. If
he's been all Pro.
Speaker 5 (01:18:15):
Yeah, he's all good.
Speaker 4 (01:18:16):
If you're late Abari Parker, then that means he's actually
got to be within the last twenty to twenty five years.
Speaker 1 (01:18:22):
Nobody, but yeah, exactly you would?
Speaker 5 (01:18:24):
You are again correct, Marny got one.
Speaker 1 (01:18:28):
Five time Pro boiler. I feel like I feel like
we're looking for a linebacker this year.
Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
It feels linebacker. It feels it feels running back.
Speaker 5 (01:18:39):
To me the bowman, No by no, but good poll
that is my era. Alright, next day.
Speaker 1 (01:18:47):
You bare my nephew. All right.
Speaker 5 (01:18:49):
He has attended for his entire collegiate career a member
of the Oregon Ducks. Another piece of the puzzle.
Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
The Garrett Blunt that was my what I love it?
Speaker 5 (01:19:01):
No, but I love it. Shout out to the running backs.
Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
He's an Oregon player who's also related to Tony.
Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
How does Tony fen and J Parker? That's where I'm
most Parker is biracial with black and I think.
Speaker 1 (01:19:15):
I just wonder, like, where's where are these guys in
my family? Multi millionaire athletes guarantee Super Bowl change Corgan.
Speaker 5 (01:19:32):
Hm, hmmm, do you want me to throw in another?
Speaker 1 (01:19:34):
Guests? Go for it all?
Speaker 5 (01:19:35):
Alrighty, Now we're gonna do another big piece of this puzzle.
Here another one, and this is actually I think I've
already given you four or five of them. Ready, we're
gonna go with our last one. I think it is.
Speaker 2 (01:19:49):
No, it's gonna be.
Speaker 5 (01:19:50):
This is gonna be the last, last one, last one.
But I can throw in more. He has played for
three teams in his entire NFL career. Here are the ones.
He was with the Eagles, the Ravens, and the Detroit Lions.
Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
What the lawns, Martin?
Speaker 2 (01:20:07):
But a good do I know right when you said
lion is.
Speaker 1 (01:20:10):
My first thought is Joey Harrington with that can't be right.
He ain't never made a progra doors super baby. He
got a Super Bowl like all the bench, but he
was never at all prom Billy Baltimore and Lions. Now
now it feels defensive back. It's not. It just doesn't
feel like a lineman. Oh no, did he play rugby?
(01:20:33):
It's basketball season?
Speaker 5 (01:20:34):
Patrick, No, shush, you're just magic. Can get Chris Harris Junior.
A couple weeks ago, two.
Speaker 1 (01:20:41):
Mac in the back, laughing. It's funny.
Speaker 4 (01:20:45):
Yeah, I'm it feels like a lineman and not yeah exactly,
it feels like a limon.
Speaker 5 (01:20:49):
But I'm just I'm gonna throw to it since were
running out of time. Hellodnada, let's go Ravens de tackle
depens to tackle Fredi.
Speaker 1 (01:20:59):
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Speaker 2 (01:21:17):
Jason Tatum just made a layup.
Speaker 1 (01:21:18):
It's seventy three Pacers fifty nine Celtics with just under
ten minutes left in the third quarter. I tell you
what I said. I thought the Pacers would keep it closed.
I didn't think it would be like this. And of
course Boston can go on and run at any minute
and make these last five words I've said look like
the you know age terribly, but it doesn't look like
(01:21:39):
it's happening thus far. With a lot of.
Speaker 4 (01:21:41):
Game left, it's a lot of game left, but this
is just Boston's fifty nine points with non thirty five
left on the clock in the third quarter. Is not
their normal offense. Once again, lived by the D three,
Die by the three. As also to around, they ain't
playing no defense. Listen to this.
Speaker 1 (01:21:55):
Andrew Nepharts eight for ten, Miles Turners seven for nine,
Nie Smith is two to Siakam seven to twelve from
the floor, TJ McConnell five for eight. Obi Top it
is only taking two shots one for two. I mean,
there's nobody shooting poorly on the Pacers, right.
Speaker 4 (01:22:11):
It feels like this is one of those games when
you hear the stars out, you just feel like the
name on the front of the jersey is gonna get
the job done, and the talent's gonna get the job done.
And we see this in sports a lot, especially in
the NBA earlier this playoff series. It was a game
time decision for Kawhi Leonard, and Kawhi Leonard was out,
(01:22:32):
and you would think that Dallas would come out and
and just kill him and crush him. Kyrie was very
adamant of the postgame press were saying, you know, when
we heard about it, I don't think we did a
good job, good enough job, admnutally prepared to still beat up,
to still play at the top level just because their
stars out, you know, and it feels like one of
these games when you're watching, just the body language and
(01:22:53):
look at this another open dunk, I mean, just the
pain and Al Horford. You asking a lot from what
thirty six, thirty seven year old god us in year seventeen,
eighteen year in the league takes care of himself. Great
young man, doesn't have the championship yet, but has all
the accolades a player like him shit have at this point.
But you know, like I said, you just can't trust him.
(01:23:14):
It's still plenty of game left, but it just don't
let three for eleven from three Boston, ten for twenty six,
twenty but twenty why why twenty six threes?
Speaker 1 (01:23:26):
They're on pace to launch forty of them. My buddy
law Murray's on Twitter at law Murray the n U.
He covers the the Space, the Capitol End, Capitol U.
He covers the Clippers for the Athletic. He had a good,
pretty pressure tweet the Mariae out loud right now. He goes,
math isn't just the threes. If you get beat that
bad in the paint, that math adds up to same
(01:23:48):
with possessions. It's not a make or miss league. If
another team is getting up more shots than you based
off turnovers and offensive rebound, all the math counts, not
just the three point math. Yeah, it seems like Boston
just folks, which is too much on a three point math?
Speaker 2 (01:24:01):
Is it now of a twelve point deficit?
Speaker 4 (01:24:03):
Well, the best part of that tweet that I like,
and one of the description descriptions of basketball in the
NBA that I hate the most is it's a make
or miss league. I can't stand that because no, it's
not a make or miss league. You gotta rebound, you
gotta play d you gotta move the ball, you gotta
do you gotta have to do, you do other things.
It's not just about make some miss. If you go
(01:24:24):
back just to the WATS the conference finals, you know
stat I looked at this morning where Dallas is killing
Minnesota and the reason why they squeak out these these
two on game one game with two, they're killing them
in the paint. They are destroying Minnesota in the paint.
In Minnesota has the guys that should be more suitable
to be dominating in the paint and Anthony Towns and
(01:24:46):
go Bear you're talking about Lively and then how you
put out the.
Speaker 1 (01:24:50):
Guard Gaffrey, Gafford.
Speaker 4 (01:24:52):
Gafford, Gafford, you're talking about Lively and Gafford, just two
guys that shouldn't be doing what they're doing. They're killing
them in the paint that I'm with him on that tweet.
Speaker 1 (01:25:01):
I love that. That whole make or miss league, No,
that's wrong. I mean, if you miss all your shots,
it's hard to win.
Speaker 3 (01:25:08):
Nah.
Speaker 4 (01:25:08):
Yeah, but it's it's not that simple, gay yea, to
make a miss league.
Speaker 1 (01:25:14):
It's not.
Speaker 2 (01:25:14):
It's not that simple though. It really is not, and
it never has been.
Speaker 4 (01:25:18):
There's a lot that going in that goes into whether
you make or whether you missed the shot.
Speaker 2 (01:25:23):
So it's not just a make or miss league. It's
everything that goes into that.
Speaker 1 (01:25:26):
Let's transition to the NFL that you wanted to discuss
the biggest Super Bowl or bus team that does not
name the Chiefs. Chiefs obviously trying to be the first
team in NFL history to go three uh three in
a row. Yeah, favorite show. It would be a dynasty, definitely,
I think right now, we don't have like NFL dynasties.
I think that's a three in a row to be
a dynasty. Yeah, I think you have errors. You think
(01:25:48):
NFL erarors like you have the Steerers era and dynasty
to you are the two thousand Patriots. I think that
was their era, the Patriots, and the Patriots had an
error and then that that of two honestly, yeah, two
of three, okay, so three in a row makes you
no no problem? Was ha me?
Speaker 4 (01:26:05):
Okay, I think two out of three gives you. Dallas
won three out of four. I think that gives you
dynasty level that that early nineties Dallas team to me
was a dynasty. But the three teams that popped off
my head. And when I go back and look at
how last year ended, what teams did this offseason? The
(01:26:26):
teams I looked at and thought, Okay, these are teams
that they gotta you gotta win it this year. This
is a you know year, super Bowl year are bust.
The first team for me was your favorite head coach,
the San Francisco forty nine ers. They they've got to
get back this year. They gotta go win it. Or
maybe I'm a year late. All my proclamation in my
(01:26:46):
in my prediction about questions being asked and decisions being
made about Shanahan's job. Maybe I'm a year late, but
they somehow like getting knocked out in the wild card
this year, those those talks are gonna start.
Speaker 1 (01:26:58):
To happen, gonna start to happen. That you've said it yourself,
the best job in pro sports is an NFL head
coach because it turns over fast and you still get
all your guaranteed money.
Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
My dream jobs be a fired head, a fired hell
game sorry, fired head, fired head coach.
Speaker 1 (01:27:14):
Uh, next one is guaranteed.
Speaker 4 (01:27:16):
Yeah, next team for me, AFC will beat the Baltimore Ravens.
Speaker 1 (01:27:20):
You've made, You've made moves, you.
Speaker 4 (01:27:22):
Brought guys in, you got two time MVP, and I'm
I'm a Lamar Jackson guy.
Speaker 1 (01:27:27):
But it's got at some point you you give you
give credit to all the negativity that comes if you're
just gonna continue to fall short, like you give credit
to people to be able to come and say, oh,
Mark Lamar can't win it, this guy can't wait it.
Speaker 4 (01:27:41):
You know you you give uh, you give credit to that.
So I think this is a year for them in
the last but not least. They won one six seven
years ago, got the one two years ago, had.
Speaker 2 (01:27:50):
A bad year last year.
Speaker 4 (01:27:52):
Your big coordinator leave is gonna hamper your offense type
of guy. We think that's what happened that second year
with the new coordinator in this to him, he was
banged up a lot last year. That would have been
The Philadelphia Eagles are one of my favorite plays.
Speaker 2 (01:28:04):
Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 1 (01:28:05):
I think this is a Super Bowl up bus year.
You can't even get to the NFC Championship game in
my opinion, if you're the Philadelphia Eagles and go, well,
we had a great year.
Speaker 2 (01:28:13):
God got to the NFC Championship.
Speaker 4 (01:28:15):
No, I think this is a year now that you
can you can you can you can kind of chalk
last year up. Like I said, coordinator was gone, had
some changes. People want Sarah Janni out. Martin believe he's
an adult in the room. His favorite line is you just.
Speaker 1 (01:28:27):
Gotta have got to do Yeah, somebody's gotta be actually
like that.
Speaker 4 (01:28:31):
Somebody's gotta be the adult in the room. A lot
of people don't like him. He don't bother as many people.
You don't bother me as.
Speaker 1 (01:28:37):
He bothers as many people of other that he bothers.
But I do think though.
Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
He go point to the time when the Eagle season
went down the toilet.
Speaker 4 (01:28:46):
It was after Kansas City walking into the walking into
the tunnel.
Speaker 1 (01:28:49):
I get it. Or you know, big what Dave me
an NFL coach that need to hold me back out? Yeah,
so that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (01:28:57):
To my point, there was a lot going on. I
expecting the bounce back this year. I know this has
made it. We're talking about this Memorial Day weekend. But
I do look at these three teams and say, hey,
you can't get to the conference championship and think that
was good enough this year. I think those three teams
are super Bowl are bust this year?
Speaker 3 (01:29:16):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (01:29:16):
The one I think is you said the Ravens the
Rams to me are super Bowl or bust for sure. Yeah.
They have not done it so many times, and it's
just it's just tough, man, because you're going up against
a guy like like this. There were a ton of
great teams in the Eastern Conference of the NBAS in
the nineties, we just don't know them as champions why
(01:29:38):
because of Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan won six of them things,
there's only ten years in a decade.
Speaker 4 (01:29:44):
And the two he did and a Western Conference team
won it, right, so when he came back, he went
right back to winning.
Speaker 2 (01:29:51):
So it's just it that it just makes it so
much harder.
Speaker 1 (01:29:54):
But Lamar jactually not being there, I forgot it now,
how you should have his own my head, hands up,
my bet. I apologize this, but the list of people
who have won MVP awards and never won a conference
championship is very very short. Like the guys who have
won MVP awards in the NFL and have not won
a conference is very very short. Lamar Jackson is the
(01:30:16):
prime guy because he is a you know what, I
think it's two two MVPs.
Speaker 4 (01:30:20):
Soamar Jackson is a two time MVP. Oh oh, I
know it is Barry two time MVP has one MVP. Okay,
I'm talking about two time MVPs that have not won
a conference championship. It's like Lamar Jackson and that's about it.
Speaker 1 (01:30:37):
I mean, there's a couple other guys on the list,
but Lamar is the only active player obviously to do so,
he's got to get over the hump, especially now because
the way he plays his style of play is one
that is not going to necessarily age as great as
it could. You know what I'm saying, it's a little tough.
Speaker 4 (01:30:54):
Uh what do you think about San Francisco. You're a guy,
You're big, this is your God, Channa Ander, you don't
think a man.
Speaker 1 (01:31:00):
You got it.
Speaker 2 (01:31:01):
You gotta get it done. You've been You've gotten.
Speaker 4 (01:31:03):
There twice and it'll come up shortboard to you don't
think this year again.
Speaker 1 (01:31:09):
So the thing is about Shanahan and the forty nine
ers is I think it's nineteen straight years of losing
team in the Super Bowl has not returned to the
Super Bowl. Yeah, all the way back to Night. I
think I believe it's nineteen straight years. So that makes
it a little bit harder to consider like that, that
concept because it's like you play all the same games
(01:31:29):
and then uh.
Speaker 4 (01:31:30):
No, two teams, two teams, two teams in like the
last thirty years that have lost and returns to Bills
and the Patriots, Pictures lost the Philly and then came back,
and the Bills lost, and then.
Speaker 2 (01:31:40):
The Bills and they they lost four times in a row,
to the.
Speaker 1 (01:31:42):
Point it's very difficult, of course to get back, especially
when you lose it, you lose a guy like Drake
Greenlaw in the middle of the game. Who knows when
he'll be back healthy, especially because he literally if the
last game, you know, it's it's tough man, it's.
Speaker 4 (01:31:57):
Turning on to the field to take the defensive you know,
all right defense? You know you And he was dude,
he would Yeah, he was causing all types of like
as I'd like to say the word rambunction. He was
causing all types of rambunction. And when you got a
guy like that, that's just being destructive. So basically, here
(01:32:17):
in May Themori of the Day weekend, we said, Samson's
gut a super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (01:32:22):
It kind of toward the right.
Speaker 4 (01:32:23):
I mean, the numbers don't bear We only going by
stats and statistics. What about Philly, you don't you don't
see this could be Sarah's got to be on a
hot seat, correct, So yeah, he's definitely in a hot seat.
Speaker 1 (01:32:34):
So they you gotta get it. They continue the slide
that to start to start this next season that they
had at the end of last season. I think that
seat is just warming up more and more and more.
Because one thing that's underrated is Bill Belichick is out there.
Speaker 4 (01:32:48):
Like you I and I'm on the n If he's
done in the NFL, you think there's a coaching job
still for him in the future in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (01:32:56):
Well, what you end up having is the conversation.
Speaker 1 (01:32:58):
Of like it was like, it's like we had the
same thing with Tom Brady before Tom Brady, when Tom
Brady retired, and now it's kind of it's kind of,
you know, calm down a bit now that he is
gonna be calling games for Fox and got roast he
has started his post NFL careers right right at the roast.
Speaker 6 (01:33:18):
Right.
Speaker 1 (01:33:19):
Well, that's that's the conversation. I know.
Speaker 2 (01:33:21):
I've just thought, uh, you.
Speaker 1 (01:33:24):
Had you had all these teams being like, man, we
got this guy at quarterback. Hello, tom Brady's available, Right,
we had this guy at quarterback. We can go get
We could go get Brady. It's gonna be the same
conversation without a way about Bill.
Speaker 2 (01:33:36):
Okay, Hey, listen, I'm gonna stand on what.
Speaker 4 (01:33:38):
I just think that if a team jobs come upen
every year, right, we get six to eight new jobs
every year, the trend is just going to younger. I
just don't think that he's aged out, and I hate
to say that, but it just it's it's in every
business in life sooner really maybe other than announcing, I
think announcing is the one job, the one of the
(01:33:58):
very few jobs you could do it to your damn
near eighty or did Marv Albert go over eighty years old?
If I'm not mistaken, wasn't it Marv Albert? Like eighty
one or eighty or something? So you can, but you can't.
You can't, you know, play pro sports that.
Speaker 2 (01:34:12):
Long you can. Brown is ninety and earlier. This playoff Hubie.
Speaker 4 (01:34:17):
Yeah, Hugee's my guy. I love listening to Huge Brown.
But I just it just it feels like to me,
in a year like what we have coming up, right,
the Chiefs are out of it, right, we know that
they're they're probably gonna be the Super Bowl again. I
just feel like there's gotta be teams there. They're looking like, hey,
(01:34:38):
we gotta go win this year. What about Dallas? Is
this the too or do we even care?
Speaker 1 (01:34:43):
Dallas? Just Dallas now, Martin, It's just I mean, it's
just a story with Dallas is Dallas because Dallas is
I mean, Dallas has won thirty six regular seas in
games the last three years, they're the most winning. It
seem to not be in the Super Bowl in the
last three years if you think about that, if you
think about it, but expect him to do it? Do
we expect That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (01:35:02):
We just because they got talent, right, they got guys.
Speaker 1 (01:35:05):
Well, I'll know this. I do know this. I have
been had terrible luck betting on who's going to be
the m v P. But the m v P the
next year is almost always the guy I bet on
last year. So Dak Prescott, you're up. Oh, you bet
on Dak last year. I bet on Dak last year
the m v P. Two years ago, I bet on
Lamar to win the m v P. So of course
(01:35:26):
Lamar went to last year that ended up second, you
know second, for they had had a decent, real good
shot up until that.
Speaker 2 (01:35:33):
Miam had Lamar that I did pick.
Speaker 4 (01:35:35):
I did pick right, I did have Lamar, And now
my Super Bowl picks missed that he had Eagles and
ravings I.
Speaker 1 (01:35:40):
Thought Lamar going into that contract year was going to
pull a Flaco on him. Yeah, but what you don't
know is you're about to pay me a whole lot
of money.
Speaker 2 (01:35:50):
The NFL MVP ended up missing half of the year.
Speaker 1 (01:35:53):
After a famous Thursday night football game where he signs
the signs the fans signed. The fans signed that said
pay him his money, he signed it, and then make
sure of the fan got to sign back. I thought
that was one of the funnier moments of two seasons ago.
But coming up next. Look forward to next season because
we have some NFL rookie camp reports coming back.
Speaker 2 (01:36:15):
Who's struggling, Who's thriving? Martin and VJ foxpords Martin v
There comes to.
Speaker 1 (01:36:22):
Your line from the tyreck dot Com studios. You can
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Martin Weiss VJ at the Big Vanilla Funny Mary, real quick,
hold on some real quick, mar Mary. What you know
about this beat? This is from camp? I know, okay,
this is from to Come Home with Me. Join this yo.
This is him and Beanie Segull.
Speaker 2 (01:36:41):
You're welcome, right, thank you?
Speaker 1 (01:36:43):
Go on.
Speaker 4 (01:36:44):
I just had to get that problem. She she does it,
you know, I am. I care about the music. She
does a dope job with it.
Speaker 6 (01:36:50):
Man.
Speaker 4 (01:36:50):
Then I get and I get one of those I
get this track right here, come on down.
Speaker 2 (01:36:54):
This is how the album ended. This is the last
song on that album.
Speaker 1 (01:36:57):
All right, go ahead, Mark, got it all out? You
good to go.
Speaker 3 (01:37:01):
Yeah, we know you don't listen to music, Martin, but please,
we're having a music moment.
Speaker 1 (01:37:05):
Oh, that's right, that's right. I forgot, I forgot.
Speaker 6 (01:37:09):
You know.
Speaker 2 (01:37:09):
No, it's not a big music list, that's right.
Speaker 1 (01:37:12):
Five minutes America, five minutes on his whole year.
Speaker 2 (01:37:16):
He wasn't a five minutes.
Speaker 1 (01:37:17):
It's actually thirty two minutes.
Speaker 2 (01:37:19):
That's even your whole year.
Speaker 1 (01:37:21):
What do you listen to when you work out? Podcasts?
Speaker 2 (01:37:25):
How can you work out? Listen to somebody talk?
Speaker 5 (01:37:26):
He definitely don't listen to Albert King.
Speaker 1 (01:37:31):
Got him?
Speaker 2 (01:37:33):
Or the Olden Polyese podcast? Oh apparently not either.
Speaker 1 (01:37:36):
That or I'm watching the game. Okay today I'll watch
the Tigers game on the treadmill.
Speaker 2 (01:37:41):
You're such a villain. That's such a villainy thing to do.
Speaker 1 (01:37:45):
Sorry, man. I also think that if people wanted to
listen to music, they would just switch to Martin's a Secret.
You guys are just learning, he really is. You guys
are just learning this with this guy. You guys are
just learning. He's in Martin's the Secret. Listen to the
just the keys man is the secret villain? Yeah, oh wow.
Speaker 5 (01:38:04):
The start of his villain origin story.
Speaker 2 (01:38:07):
They already started.
Speaker 1 (01:38:08):
I'm being missed interpreted grossly here. No, no, mar you
hate on good things, you hate on you hate on
good things. I mean, it's the Conference finals, it's OTAs
we're talking about camera.
Speaker 4 (01:38:20):
Come on, come on, man. I just gave props to
the beat that was being in play. But you do
hate on good things?
Speaker 2 (01:38:24):
Was the eggs? Is the eggs of the thing you
said doesn't go with breakfast or eggs?
Speaker 1 (01:38:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:38:28):
And something he had to think about eggs one day.
Speaker 1 (01:38:30):
Anyway, I said, French fries, Oh, French fry, eggs of
there you go, food like eggs come, they come free
with everything.
Speaker 2 (01:38:38):
It's like, that's a valid take. I'll take that's that's
pretty valid. That's pretty valid.
Speaker 1 (01:38:43):
No French fries or French fries.
Speaker 2 (01:38:47):
But like, that's a very valid take.
Speaker 1 (01:38:48):
Its padly that one.
Speaker 5 (01:38:49):
I'll give them that.
Speaker 1 (01:38:51):
The Indiana Pacers zero for nine from three in the
third quarter, just cause anybody is interested in sports, two
for twelve for Boston right now, Indiana taking a seven
point lead into that. TJ McConnell with the ball that
with ten seconds left, that's a foul. Ref danlen Brown
fouls him and he does a little of course. You
know what, I would like to see the ratio of
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spinning finger like players to challenges overturned. I'd like to
see the like. Somebody needs to do some stat on
that second spectrum Europe.
Speaker 4 (01:39:23):
Yeah, McConnell sells this though. I mean, if you watch this,
look why why why'd you leave your feet like he didn't.
He didn't bump you that, he didn't bump you that hard,
So I can see why he did the finger spinning
thing that is getting kind of got every time.
Speaker 1 (01:39:39):
I look at it. The bench and you know what
else too bugs me while we're on the subject. So
I'm a video producer in another day, like in another life, right,
and sometimes you'll be looking for shots of players just
like after they make a shot or something like that,
and you see them running back down the court.
Speaker 2 (01:39:57):
Ninety eight percent of the time now the player.
Speaker 1 (01:40:00):
Is complaining to the referee.
Speaker 2 (01:40:04):
It's never like like earlier this postseason, even if they score.
Speaker 1 (01:40:07):
We saw Anthony Edwards do that kind of flip his
palms up to the sky, kind of paying homage to
Michael Jordan. Right. You know, we don't see that anymore
throughout the league as in general, because everybody's so busy
bitching and moaning. Yeah, everybody's so busy calling the ref
a name that if we don't even get to see
like celebrations anymore are cool jog back. There's no more
(01:40:29):
cool jog backs.
Speaker 4 (01:40:31):
Jordan's started the cool jog back, the thumbs up at
the elbows, Jordan, Jordan a cool jog back.
Speaker 1 (01:40:38):
Because everybody's over there yelling at Tony Brothers or James
Capers and Scott.
Speaker 2 (01:40:42):
Fafter and calling them everything but a child of guy.
Speaker 6 (01:40:44):
Guys.
Speaker 4 (01:40:44):
Guys will look at ref's and run back all the
way up court like talking to a ref trying to yeah,
it's it's it's out of hand.
Speaker 1 (01:40:52):
Man, it definitely is. It's ridiculous. That's the league. What's
also ridiculous the Celtics have are trailing in this game
right now.
Speaker 4 (01:41:00):
It is ridiculous, man, it is ridiculous. But it's only
I believe, a seven point game right now. So Indiana
going into the fourth, keep doing what you've been doing.
But the sult six, as we said, can hit you
with these spurts. If some threes more start to go down,
which I don't even know why I'm saying. I'm sorry, America,
I did not mean that, because at one point they
were ten of twenty six. They're launched enough damn threes,
(01:41:20):
and now whether they can make more of them will
be another thing. Real quick shout out thank you, right
side up five thousand on Twitter just said Rambunction is
from Buster Rohm scenario.
Speaker 5 (01:41:33):
Ha.
Speaker 1 (01:41:33):
I love my fans, man, I love fans of the
Martin and VJ Show. But with Boston, man, you know what, Martin,
They're gonna make a push. I think they'll make this
game tight. Well, you said the spread was seven at
Boston seven and a half, right, yep, Boston seven and
ane Okay, Boston seven and a half.
Speaker 2 (01:41:45):
I say they at one point get this cut down.
Speaker 4 (01:41:48):
I say to about four, five, maybe three, they will
cut down two because at some point, right, you know,
Indiana can't keep doing this right, At some point, not
having your best guy has to mean something, and maybe
you can get away with it for three quarters, but
in the money quarter, fourth quarters, the money quarter in football.
Back in the day, we used to put up the
fourth fingers to symbolize the fourth quarter. We ready to
(01:42:11):
get going for the fourth quarter, but yeah, I think
they will make a dentt until this lead.
Speaker 2 (01:42:16):
And then we'll see what Indiana has been there.
Speaker 1 (01:42:18):
Steve, the Saga will have someone on this game and
just everything else going on in the world of sports. Steve,
you're up.
Speaker 3 (01:42:23):
It is the end of three quarters at Indiana and
the Pacers, without the injured Tyrese Haliburton, are leading the
Celtics ninety to eighty one going to the fourth. Haliburton,
with his strained hamstring out tonight at least he left
in the third quarter last game. For the moment, the
Pacers are down two games to none two top seeded
Boston in this Eastern Conference Finals. Andrew Nemhard with twenty
(01:42:44):
three points, eight assists, just one turnover for the Pacers.
He's made three to three pointers. The rest of his
team is zero for twelve from long distance, but it's
still an Indiana lead. In fact, the Pacers were up
eighteen late in the first half. Jason Tatum with twenty
nine points for Boston. Dallas leads the Western Conference Finals
two games to none, and we'll be hosting Minnesota in
(01:43:04):
Game three on Sunday night. In the WNBA rookie Caitlin
Clark and her Indiana Fever are trailing at defending champion
in Las Vegas at the end of three aces seventy
two fifty six in the lead. Clark two of eight
shooting eight points, five rebounds, five assists, and she has
five more turnovers to the NHL. Game two of the
(01:43:25):
West Final at Dallas, and the Stars are in the
lead to one over Edmonton five minutes to go. Each
team scored in the first five minutes of this game.
It stayed one to one for a while. Dallas took
the lead early in the third. It's now late third
period two to one, Stars trying to even up the
West Final at a game apiece. In the East, the
number one New York Rangers play at Florida tomorrow. That
(01:43:46):
series tied at a game apiece. Tennis is French Open
starts tomorrow. NASCAR's Coca Cola six hundred is Sunday Night
on Fox TV. Ty Gibbs earned his first career poll.
The Indy five hundred is scheduled for tomorrow. Thunderstorms are
expected there. In fact, storms expected in Cincinnati as well,
so the start time has been moved up to Sunday
at noon Eastern time as they go for a sweep
(01:44:07):
of the Dodgers. Cincinnati beat La tonight three to one.
In fact, the Dodger bullpen got toasted last night and
the problem again tonight. Runners in scoring position not good.
Rocker Buehler gave up a couple early home runs and
took the loss three one Cincinnati. The other game on
Fox TV nationally, Saint Louis won it's fourth straight beat
the rival Cubs, holding on seven to six. Kansas City
(01:44:29):
in eleven innings won at Tampa Bay seven to four.
The Royals have won eight games in a row. Minnesota
with a three run home er bottom of the eighth
beat Texas five to three. Rangers have lost six straight.
Giants have won four in a row. They won in
ten innings at the Mets seven to two. Mets offense
with runners in scoring position zero for thirteen. And there
was baseball in Cooperstown, New York. Sold out Doubleday Field,
(01:44:52):
the little field there near the Baseball Hall of Fame.
They had the East West Classic. That is former players.
Former players over fifty All Star selections total, among them
representing the old Negro League uniforms throwbacks wool Jerseys taking
the field for a six inning exhibition. Curtis Granderson hit
(01:45:14):
a home run in this one. Even Money Davis, little
League World Series star from a decade ago, got into
the game as a defensive replacement and caught a line
drive in center field to end one of the innings.
Edwin Jackson took the mound. At one point we had
fourteen Hall of Famers there. Adam Jones won the pregame
home run derby over Prince Fielder and eventually the six
(01:45:35):
inning game went to the East five to four. Ryan
Howard was player of the game in Cooperstown today with
a go ahead, three run homer in the fifth.
Speaker 1 (01:45:43):
Back to you that was just brought to you by
two thousand and six. Huh.
Speaker 3 (01:45:50):
Didn't expect Willie Mays to be on the field here,
guys for more recent.
Speaker 1 (01:45:55):
I know, but it's just some of those names. Prince Field,
I didn't know Princefield could even play Baseballity war, you know,
Money Davis, Adam Jones, Ryan Howard was there.
Speaker 4 (01:46:04):
Wow, cc Money Davis, Man, what a run that was
for her in a Little League World Series.
Speaker 1 (01:46:10):
That was a cool sports story. Shortly after the Show
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of the air. The Pacers right now with a seven
point lead. We're all over this one as Andrew Demhar
(01:46:32):
just misses a layup kind of a floater. But we'll
keep you updated there as well as with the Caitlin
Clark Indiana Fever trying to get their second win of
the year against the Vegas Aces, who had just opened
up an eighteen point lead early in the fourth quarter.
For both of those matchups. But VJA, you wanted to
talk a little bit about the OTAs and some of
these camps. Where do you want to dive in? First?
Speaker 2 (01:46:53):
First man, just what I was hearing and reading about
bo Nicks.
Speaker 4 (01:46:56):
I know that was the pick that most people, including
myself thought. It felt like the Broncos they needed a quarterback.
You know where we know they have quarterback guru Sean Payton.
We knew he was gonna try to move up. They
tried to move up. That's why Minnesota moved up one
more spot. They tried to jump ahead of them to
possibly grab JJ, because that's everybody knew, that's who Minnesota
(01:47:17):
was getting. But to hear that this is Sean Payton
has already announced this as a.
Speaker 1 (01:47:22):
Three quarterback race. So all off see and that's what
I like.
Speaker 4 (01:47:26):
Let these guys go compete for. Let let Caleb go
compete for. Don't name Caleb the starter, even though most
of us feel Caleb is. I get it, but just
as a mind thing, let him go compete for Sam.
In Minnesota with JJ and Sam Donald, people were like, well,
he could sit.
Speaker 2 (01:47:43):
Behind Sam Man, sit behind Sam Donald.
Speaker 4 (01:47:46):
Get out of here, dude, you have seven years, eight
years to prove your damn self. Step aside, home boy.
The rookies in the building, they put the ball in
my hand.
Speaker 1 (01:47:53):
Let's go.
Speaker 4 (01:47:55):
But the stories you're hearing about bo Knicks and the
way Sean Payton was praising him was kind of eye
opening in surprising. But it was a pick that I
still thought was, Okay, we got to take who's left.
But when you do, put the tape on and you
watch that kid, and you just start to try to
do comparisons.
Speaker 2 (01:48:11):
I'm not calling him Drew Brees.
Speaker 4 (01:48:13):
But when you see his arm talent, you see his height,
and he's had plenty of college play. He played for
thirty seven years in college. He's got a lot of experience.
He's not gonna need to grow up. The guy's a
grown man already. I think, honestly, Sean Payne might be
able to do something with this kid. And then the
story is about Caleb kind of having up and down practice,
has turned the ball over throwing picks, but specifically in
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the red zone. The reason why that stuck out to me,
Martin is because he has been tabbed that when things
break down, he can maneuver, he can run around, he
can make a play, he could do the Mahomes magic thing.
But in the red zone in the NFL, you have
to be decisive, make decisions and let the ball go
because the defensive part of the field is small and shorter.
But they set up Veteran pulled him aside and talked
(01:48:59):
them up up, and that made me wonder whether you
know what he down in practice? Broad I know we've
seen the guy run into the stands and jump into
his family's arms and and and you know, tear it up.
Speaker 2 (01:49:08):
But hopefully that's not you know what we're seeing already.
It can't and and uh and the I'm hoping.
Speaker 1 (01:49:16):
So I don't take much stock into any of this, Okay,
I know you don't.
Speaker 2 (01:49:21):
I love it though I love ots.
Speaker 1 (01:49:22):
It's just you just.
Speaker 2 (01:49:24):
Love anything that has football attached to it. I didn't
do the UFL.
Speaker 1 (01:49:28):
I tried, Okay, yeah, man, but I'll try and get
take too. You just love anything that has the NFL
attached to it.
Speaker 4 (01:49:37):
I do because this is because this is this is
the part of the year where things will happen. Camaraderie
is built to whether you're going to be happy or
pissed off as a fan come January. It's not a
lot of it, of course, is September to December and
in the regular season, but that have.
Speaker 2 (01:49:54):
No literally literally have to people here won't be on
the team.
Speaker 4 (01:50:01):
Okay, that's fine, but there are a lot of guys
that are there that will help you build your what
your team is gonna end up being.
Speaker 1 (01:50:07):
It starts to it starts these days.
Speaker 4 (01:50:10):
Who's first, who's last to league, who's staying late for reps,
who's getting more push ups here? Who's running more sprints.
It starts, and it trusts me bro it starts out.
That's why I get excited about it. And then also
to good word and good notes about my man JJ
coming out of Minnesota. Also to love his command, teammate,
the love his command, love the way he's you know,
handle himself, walking the building, coaching staff, the whole nine.
(01:50:30):
Those are the three players that a quarterbacks I kind
of looked at was like, Okay, this is cool stuff
to kind of here, let's see where it goes. The
different thing though, the fact that Shawn's like, hey, all
three guys, they're looking good, but this is open.
Speaker 1 (01:50:41):
I do like that. It tells me both Nick is
probably gonna end up being his startic. But it's just whoever,
your starter isn't made. I mean, it can't matter less
like it does. It really doesn't. You should be spreading
the reps around in OTAs because it's practice, it's all.
It's spring training for football's good stuff, like it's free
training for football. Like you know, I don't need to
(01:51:01):
see Justin Verlander start every fifth day in spring training,
right because I know that when the season time comes,
he'll be ready to go. He'll be ready to st Yeah,
base basebally, I don't small than football are different though,
but that's what this is. It's spring training. I don't
need to see lebron and Anthony Davis in the in
the first you know, in the first practice of the
(01:51:21):
Lakerscyat going for twenty five apiece and it was seven blocks,
Like it doesn't matter like it it matters for some
like if you had told me that looked like boat Nicks,
like I'll tell you this, I'll never forget when speaking
of Broncos quarterbacks, when von Miller said that Drew Locke
had some of the best incompletions you had ever seen,
because what that meant to me was there was quite
(01:51:42):
literally nothing to compliment, right, Yeah, I think if you're
in that boat, then then you're in bad shape. But
as long as everything is kind of like, yeah, he's progressing,
he's getting better, then I figured they're progressing and pick
and getting better.
Speaker 4 (01:51:54):
You know what OCA is are like for me, it's
like fried chicken, right. You much rather have Grandma Sunday
after church fried chicken, right, But you take some KFC
on the Wednesday night if it's hot and fresh and
it just came out the fryar. You take some Popeye
to take you take a three piece pie. You don't
normally go to pop Peye, but you take a three
piece pop out on a Wednesday night with a biscuit,
you know, and maybe the add on shrink they got that.
Speaker 2 (01:52:16):
You'll take that.
Speaker 1 (01:52:17):
This is what it is. I saw this video yesterday
on Twitter. It was a guy and I don't know
how true now I've raised my eyebrow on any of
these videos, but it was a guy. He said he
was in jail for seventeen years and he had a
Big Mac for the first time in seventeen years, and
he ate the Big Mac, and he was just the
look on his face was just like he was about
to cry. It was so good, Like the look on
(01:52:38):
his face was about to cry. It was so good.
Like it's a big Mac the best burger you can
get in America. Of course not right. It's probably not
the best burger you can get on the street that
McDonald's is on. Yeah, you probably get a better burger
on that same street. But if you've been in jail
for seventeen years, that big Man, you've been eating jail
food for seventeen years. That big Mac probably tastes like
the most amazing thing of all time. You don't know
why everybody's eating a big Mac. And then you're realize that,
(01:53:00):
wait a minute, I could go anywhere and get a burger.
I could go, I could go to the you know,
the Mels Burger shack down the street, and it's five
times better than the big Mac was righter. You realize,
if you ate seventeen big Macs, you're gonna die for
my heart ATTACKA artery is a clog, that's what it is.
You've been in jail for seventeen years and this is
your first taste, your first sniff of a big mac.
Speaker 4 (01:53:21):
So is this what my first sniff of football? And
that's why exactly it's so delicious.
Speaker 2 (01:53:25):
To me right now?
Speaker 4 (01:53:26):
Except yeah, exactly, that's why huyn nowity KFC. On a
Wednesday night, man, three pieces those nuggets are delicious.
Speaker 1 (01:53:32):
I have no business.
Speaker 2 (01:53:33):
Eating that food, but it's good, and I'll take it.
Speaker 4 (01:53:35):
If I can't get Grandma's Southern fried chicken on the
Sunday after church, which is the NFL season, right's the season.
You will take some Popeye's on a Tuesday night. But
if I showed them to your crip and knocked on
the doors like yo, I was in the area, B
and I just left Popeyes up the street.
Speaker 1 (01:53:50):
Here.
Speaker 4 (01:53:50):
This is for you and your girl. You're gonna do Nah,
I'm good, I hate I'm not gonna eat that.
Speaker 2 (01:53:54):
Throw it away.
Speaker 1 (01:53:54):
No, you would be like, even if you didn't want it,
you would ask her.
Speaker 4 (01:53:56):
Hey, VJ dropped off some popas she might Oh yeah,
I mean, and neither one of us going for I
no chicken, So yeah, I'll take this.
Speaker 1 (01:54:03):
Pope's right now, the Boss and Celtics have made this
thing tight. Eight minutes left, just about in the fourth quarter,
Pacers with a three point lead, ninety three to ninety eleven.
More on that and some of the other Conference Finals
games coming up next. Martin VJ, Fox Sports Radio Martin
and VJ coming to your Life from the Tirack dot
Com studios. Just wrapping it up here on a three
(01:54:24):
hour show erin Torres and Jason Martin will be up
right now. They're warming up in the bullpen. But right now,
I mean, I've never seen this before. Guys.
Speaker 2 (01:54:32):
Most of the time, just to take you behind the
scenes a little bit. Most of them. I'm the first
one with the microphone on.
Speaker 1 (01:54:37):
VJ hopped up, turned on the microphone, grabbed his headphones.
He said, I'm ready to go for this one. He
wants to talk about the NHL Conference Finals.
Speaker 4 (01:54:45):
Yes, I do, man, because I love my playoff hockey,
and some fans out there due too. Once we started
getting asked, I started getting asked on Twitter, Hey, would
you guys talk more hockey.
Speaker 2 (01:54:53):
I'm like, dude, I watch hockey.
Speaker 4 (01:54:54):
Brandon, our former producer who's down to diego back home
doing great things at his new position. There was a
big hockey guy. But yes, we are in the conference finals.
The Dallas Stars just evened up to the Western Conference
Finals against the Edmonds and Oilers. I had the pleasure
of covering them for a few games here playing the
Kings in LA. Got a chance to see that team
up close and personal. We all know about mcdavin dry
(01:55:15):
style and and Evander Kaine and it just and Burrow,
just all the guys Broussard, all the guys that they
have that can score and put the and put the
net the puck in the net with the precision that
they play with. This Dallas Stars are the bigger, faster
team been the number one team in the Western Conference
all year long. This is their second straight Western Conference Finals,
(01:55:38):
so they're trying to get back to be able to
fight for Lord Stanley that it's evened up at one
one great series. If you guys aren't watching, I tell
people this all the time.
Speaker 2 (01:55:48):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (01:55:48):
I love sports.
Speaker 2 (01:55:49):
I'm lamar makes fun of me because I watched curly,
like I watch archery.
Speaker 1 (01:55:53):
I watched Royd. I just said, doing a commercial.
Speaker 4 (01:55:54):
Break, the summer games need to hurry up and get here, okay,
because I need to watch all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:56:00):
I can't wait for the speedwalking final. Oh my, Now
that I don't watch.
Speaker 4 (01:56:03):
But I did get into archery because there is a
real system to how you get your points.
Speaker 1 (01:56:09):
It's not just shoot bulls. I shoot bulls. I shoot bulls.
Speaker 2 (01:56:11):
I shit.
Speaker 4 (01:56:12):
You have to add your points up and sometimes you gotta,
you know, actually get your arrow close to another arrow.
It's like curling. You gotta sometimes knock another stone owt.
I just think all that stuff is kind of interesting.
But playoff hockey, guys, it's one of the greatest things going,
especially overtime playoff hockey, because next goal wins and goals
(01:56:32):
come out of nowhere. Guys shoot pucks on purpose to
get blocked, hoping that the guy your teammate coming from
the backside gets the rebound.
Speaker 2 (01:56:40):
Like it's just so integral. I love it. On the
Eastern Conference side one one.
Speaker 1 (01:56:45):
My Rangers had to be scared last night one in
overtime against the Florida Panthers, both over fifty win teams
this year.
Speaker 4 (01:56:53):
Rangers are fifty four. They had fifty three NS, so
we have the top four teams in my opinion. Guys
in the Hockey Conference Finals into a game three down
in Florida, Rangers trying to go up to one. They
won the President's Cup this year, which goes to the
best regular season team. Last time they did that was
in nineteen ninety four, and the last time that happened
in nineteen ninety four.
Speaker 2 (01:57:12):
What's give me what happened in nineteen ninety four?
Speaker 4 (01:57:14):
The last time that they wasted Lord steadily with Mark
Messier and Richter and Adam Graves and all those guys
that I fell in love with and maybe the ravee
fan am. To day, if you're not watching hockey, I'm
trying to get Martin over here hype because it's really
good sports guys, it's physical. There's no flopping, it's no
food gayziness, there's no flip flaming fluff. Hockey is real
(01:57:35):
and guys play hardcore and play up. There was a
hit in the game last night on the Rangers that
most people would say, yeah, he went for his head,
he went for but they're rules. No, the body was
kind of the target. Yeah, the shoulder did get some head.
Speaker 1 (01:57:51):
But at the end of the day, like this is
what in the NBA that had been Yeah, in the
NBA that would have been reviewed hit to the head.
It just it's a tougher game. They are wearing helmets.
Speaker 4 (01:58:03):
And high Oh yeah, those helmets are Those helmets are nothing, bro,
those helmets are nothing.
Speaker 2 (01:58:07):
Now there's literally no helmet in them. Yeah yeah, yoh no,
that's why they kind of pretend.
Speaker 4 (01:58:11):
Yeah no, no, those helmets, those helmets are nothing in hockey. Man,
those things stop kind of high. They got that little
flimsy strap just to buckle it on. Some guys don't
even have a shield on it. It's just a rule
that they have to wear a Trust me, most hockey
guys would probably say they much rather not play anyway. Guys,
my little soliloquy here on the NHL playoffs. Tune into
a guy tomorrow Game three between the Rangers and the
(01:58:33):
Florida Panthers in the game for Memorial Day for game
three excuse me three up at Edmonton between the Edmonton
Oilers and the Dallas Stars to see who will fight
for Lord.
Speaker 2 (01:58:44):
Stanley coming up in the NHL Stanley Cup Finals.
Speaker 1 (01:58:47):
There you go, thank you. Brother Patrick said in my ear,
there's no way that speedwalking is real, not only speedwalking real. Yeah,
but I watched the movie on Netflix the other day,
probably during a playoff hockey game.
Speaker 5 (01:59:00):
Way.
Speaker 1 (01:59:01):
It's called Queen Pins, all right, And what's the name
of the actress, Dak Shepherd's wife, Uh, Chris Kristen Bell.
Chris Bell. Yeah, Christian Bell plays a Olympic speedwalker gold
medalist who ended up stealing coupons from like all the
major manufacturers, and I say, ended up making like hundreds
(01:59:22):
of thousands of dollars selling stolen coupons and ended up
getting off like basically like no, like you would think
like federal crimes. I just tole like all types of coopo.
It was pretty I would I can't go so far
to say it was a good movie, but it was
an entertaining what I call a laundry movie.
Speaker 2 (01:59:37):
Speed Walking don't pay man, They don't make no speed walkers.
Speaker 1 (01:59:40):
Walking, Yeah, steal walking.
Speaker 4 (01:59:41):
At this point, they're getting listen, they're putting video games
in the Olympics, guys. So if you're mad at speed Walker,
how about somebody just sitting on his ass hitting buttons.
Speaker 2 (01:59:51):
I mean that's gonna be. You can get a gold
medal for.
Speaker 1 (01:59:55):
A Mario bash or I don't know, Mario party.
Speaker 2 (01:59:57):
Yeah, Mario Olympic Call of Duty. Yeah, for that, that would.
Speaker 1 (02:00:02):
I ain't I ain't gonna front though, I would play
at FIFA if there was like an Olympic tournament for
FIFA Olympics.
Speaker 4 (02:00:10):
Oh my god, Well, Matt, it's got too many glitches.
I've been boycott Madden for a while, so i haven't
played Madden. There is a six point game and the
Eastern Conference finals going on. If you guys still care
about that, I'll come now. It's a three point game.
Jayson Tatum hits a three with one minute and thirty
seven seconds left in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1 (02:00:25):
One O nine Indiana one, Come on show, so you
truly are then Andrew Nemhard has thirty that right, yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:00:32):
As Tatum sit with thirty six. Tatum's having a big night,
but it's almost probably gonna go, you know, away to
a loss.
Speaker 1 (02:00:38):
Nevhar's going to the free throw line now after he
just got foul trying to shoot a layup again. A
three point lead for the Indiana Pacers, one twenty sixth left.
It'd be wild to see a second overtime game. But
I'm sure that Aeron Torres and Jason Martin will be
all over this game and just a little bit, we'll
be back soon. God bless guys.
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
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Speaker 1 (00:18):
And you know, vija, the Indiana Pacers, their whole thing
is about speed and the Indy five hundred and so on.
Maybe somebody could get Tyres Halliburton another tire as he
blew his last night, our last game, rather in the
third quarter, hurt the hamstring that had been bothering him
for a lot of the season. Uh. And it looks
like the Pacers season will be going on too much
(00:40):
longer now as they run up against the Eastern Conference
juggernaut that is the Boston Celtics.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Man, they gave this game. They gave this series away,
in my opinion, in game one. They had Game one.
You've got to get that rebound and you've got to
have a better close out on Jalen Brown, who hits
the corner three, the easiest three on the court to
make again your head, you gotta have.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
You gotta contest.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
You got at least two contests, so you know whether
they had him or not. I thought the series, especially
the way Game two looked and went, I thought the
series was pretty much hadn't done right there. I know
it's never over until the Lady sings, but at the
end of the day, you can still look at the
series and go, ah, God, if they'd have got that one.
Now you gotta go get to it home, and now
(01:26):
your star is hurt. It just doesn't They don't have
a be right, They don't when when you look at
that team, they have a really good team. They coached
very well by mister Carlile, who's got a championship. He's
he's won a championship before, and you gotta you got
a young budding star and Halliburton.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
But other than that, you take.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Him off that team and they're thirty eight thirty nine
win team in my opinion, So that's what you're gonna have,
even him out there being hurt. So I just wanted
to fight, just put up a big game. You said
earlier when we were sitting in the telling about tonight.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
I got a weird feeling about tonight since are seven
and a half point favorites. I think that that that
just the Pacers definitely cover the seven and a half.
And I'll say this, if they're going to win a game,
it'll be this one. They're gonna win a game of
this year's it'll be okay.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
And I don't see.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
I don't see either side sweeping in these conference finals,
which is just we just there has to be a massive,
like humongous talent difference for a sweep to occur. As
dominant as the Boston Celtics have been on the Eastern
side of things, they haven't swept once, right Miami ends
up and Miami but.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Which we both said they needed this like the first round,
you gotta sweep.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Though we said that. If I said at least that
the Celtics have they lost more than four playoff games
before the finals, that would be to me a phrase
that you right now, Canary and the coal.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Mine, There you go, you go, there you go. I
have no idea what it means, but I like it.
I like the way it sounds. So where are at
right now? They lost one, so they lost two, so
there are too they've lost too, right, right?
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Full series?
Speaker 4 (03:02):
They okay, they might pull your under on the four
if Tyrus is this hurt, you know, that team is
they're not the same team, you know, without him being
being there and being full straight.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Yeah, I just I think that. Uh. I think that
when when you look at the way that things have
been going, uh with this series. Uh, the only way
that the Pacers have a shot to win the entire series,
as much as I think they might have a shot
to win tonight. Uh. You know this is like home court,
you know, kind of backs against the wall, and again
(03:33):
those guys get paid to right the other side.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
They go bananas the nights.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Yeah, I feel mean eighteen first quarter points in the
last time these two teams played from my first half
points I should say, from Myles Turner ended up with
twenty three.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
But the t Ti McConnell is to me a starting
level point guard in the NBA while he's uh, you know,
obviously you'd rather have your All NBA player Tyrese Haliburton,
which you know you could bait whether or not he
should have made the All NBA list, But uh, but
that's a that's a conversation for a few days ago.
I didn't necessarily think so I thought Jalen Brown probably
deserved that spot. But either way, here we are, you
(04:09):
probably you rather have him than not, right, kind of
like when we're talking about the Nick series last week,
you know, people like the better without Julius Randall was like,
I don't know, man, when you're playing Jericho Simms exactly,
you rather have him than not. I don't know, I'd
rather have him. I don't know, man, Like he's all
Star loving player, like you know, I was about to say,
he's beens All Star games.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
He's been giving big contracts for a reason. People like,
I get what you're saying, but you know, it doesn't
make sense not to have the better player in any
sport on any level. But with Boston, I still I
just to me, the way I'm looking at the West,
even the either one of those teams I think would
(04:47):
give Boston hell, I just don't trust him.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
And this is nothing new.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
I've been on this wagon for the last three seasons,
openly on radio, and I'm still here. Yes I'm that
guy that this, but this Boston team, they gotta win it.
For me to believe that they can win it, I
gotta see it with them, so and I still just
I just don't know this this walk they've had. You
get the heat, no Jay buckets, you get you get
(05:13):
the Cavs.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Donovan Mitchell has not only no Jimmy buckets by the
end of that thing. They uh just because he's in
those Hotel dot Com commercials.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
He wasn't in the playoffs, but they just.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Their walk, you know, to this point, it's like, yeah,
I gotta still see it because even this year, even
what you've done, even getting to this point, now you're
in Eastern Conference finals and your opponent's best player has
now you know, hurt his ham straight. So all right, cool.
So they got to the finals. Well I've seen them
get to the finals a by the way, I saw
them up to one in those finals against the Wars
(05:53):
and then turn around and lost three in a row
and lost the serious and six. So uh that that's
a that's a team that's got a uh prove it
to me. I got to see them do it. But
with the paces tonight, like I said, I just just fight,
just put up, put up a effort, your home, let
the adrenaline, you know all that stuff with sports when
you come home in the playoff series.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Hey go go get go grab two one.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
So you think they are you picking them to one tonight?
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Sure, come on, let's do it together. Is the teamwork?
Speaker 4 (06:18):
Kobe is shocked them days all right, Yeah, let's go
paces to take it tonight.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Halliburton and Turner.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Not quite.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Kobe is shocked, but not talking about you and me.
You shocked on Kobe? Okay, shit, yeah you shocked. I'm Kobe.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
That's funnier if you'd actually see it, says right, Yeah,
there's one of us name Big Vanilla Funny, and the
other one is named Martin Weiss. But the thing about
the Celtics is again their style of play, right, their
style of play.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
You talk about game one, whatever, the game.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
One, they missed threes point, that's how they were in
the game, like, you know, it's just it's just if
they don't have a way, in my opinion, are they
don't they don't believe that they should play a little
differently when those shots aren't falling. And that's how you
end up letting teams back in the games because you
still are shooting threes up thirty five, like it's just
(07:06):
it's just up, you know, up, you know, up put
the significant margin at the half or something like that
Boston's let every game it the half, like you know
what I'm saying. So it's just yeah, that's the way
it goes for me with his three die by it exactly.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
It just has never failed. It's consistent as gravity.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
The other thing that Boston has is a phrase I'm
gonna borrow from a friend of the show. We've talked
about it if we talked with him a few times,
Dave damnishek he yeah. He talks about the cursive supposed
to right often is supposed to win this right? This
is it is lining up perfectly for them to You
don't think so, no, No, That's why I'm asking you.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
I thought you meant I was the deffrigerate between the pacers. Heires,
are win it all?
Speaker 1 (07:48):
I think win it all lining up? I mean just
thinking about it. You know, Okay, Minnesota, you see their
offensive struggles when they're when their role players aren't hitting
with Karl Anthony Towns, he's a roller coaster, right, he's
the stock exchange. And the game before was six for twenty.
I believe it was off the floor in the clutch.
(08:09):
So you know what, it is a quick match ten
for something I can't remember if you said four for sixteens,
ten for thirty six, right, not very good? Okay, boom.
Then you have Dallas who Luka Doncis went to the
locker room in the middle of the game last game.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
He's he has a myriad.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Of injuries that seemed to be just bothering him as
he's going along. Kyrie is thirty two years old, right,
So like as dominant as they have looked in the
first two games in the Western Conference Finals, boom, there's
still a few things there that, you know, the engine
might need a tightening of the serpentine belt, you know
what I'm saying, Like in terms of that right again,
we already talking about it is not.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Going to get healthier. Again, Luca's not going to get
healthy at the longer day playing to play.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
It is lining up perfectly for the Boston Celtics, even
without Christaffs for Zengis. But I said it last week
and I'll say it again. I'll keep saying it until
he comes back Boston. The Boston Celtics themselves told us
last this offseason they did not believe that this version
of their team could win a title. That was a
(09:09):
good one, but that's why they traded two starters and
three bench players and all those picks to get Drew Holliday,
which is an upgrade over Marcus Smart marginally so, but
still an upgrade. But the big hal was Christas Porzingis,
who we have not seen since, hell since Donovan Mitchell
was still playing playoff basketball this year.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
But also to the Grant Williams move now, he blew it.
He blew it in Dallas and is shown, but I
think they probably could use him in Dallas right now also.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Too, but he also blew it himself.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Boston has yet to be, in my opinion, like Man
and Man chest the chest challenged, and that's what Jimmy
Butler and the Heat were doing to them last year
in the Eastern Conference finals, and they have.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Yet to have that this year.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
If it happens, who's gonna be the guy that's going
to bow his chests up and say, okay, just like
Martin said, it's set up for us to win this.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
We are picked to win this.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
We've been the best team in the Eastern Conference all
year and pretty much.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
The NBA all year long.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
But now here comes somebody that's gonna get a little
physical with us because they don't have the pieces we have.
They can't hit the three that we hit. They don't
habitate them. They don't have a brown when you look
at now Dallas has Kyrie and have Luca. But let's
say Minnesota will come back and win this serious and
get to the finals to play Boston. Okay, if and
Edwards also too. We just talked about Anthony Towns. If
he's gonna go eleven for thirty three or something like that,
(10:29):
twenty six percent, what do you shoot? Yeah, ten for
thirty If he's gonna shoot like that too, then they
got they've got zero zero shot. So with Boston, it's
still to me when they get challenged chess to chess,
who's gonna be.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
The guy to step up? And how will they react?
Speaker 4 (10:47):
So that they haven't had that yet, and I'm thinking
one of those Western Conference teams that might have to
do it.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
I don't think the Pacers haven't anymore. They would have
done it already.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
I don't know. We might see it in Game three.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
They might come out with the home energy let's speak
sure tonight and just play a little more physical with them.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
To But I just want to be clear. While in fact,
I do think that Indiana has a great shot tonight.
Oh they're not winning this series. Yes, this is a
Cinderella type of situation. Right the glass, the clock will
strike midnight quickly. It's gonna be painful to watch the
rest of the serious. I tweeted the other day the
game too, the Indiana Pacers and the Eastern Conference Finals
(11:22):
is a great excuse to set up the second screen
in my new apartment.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
It is one of those series you kind of could
just have on as you kind of move about the
crib and you just peek as long as you can
see the TV. You can take care of other home
things you need to do. That to me, that's what
it is.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
At this point.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
I'll still watch it, but it won't be a sit
down with chips and sauceas tequila watch it type of game. Yeah,
you've been wanting to catch up on that book, you know,
you know, crack it open. I'm a chuiyurn the volume
up a little bit. I can't have nothing going on
in the background. I can't concentrate when I read that way.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
You know, you know you maybe got a little yard
work to do, and you cut it on on the radio.
You know, there you go put your headphones on as
your mo and all.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
The young people are like, what listening to?
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Why you mowed up there?
Speaker 4 (12:06):
Now that was an old guy thing right there. You
just said you're getting old tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
I've been listening to games on the radio my whole life.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Shit, here's the thing that that streaming has ruined, That
timing goes because it used to be you could listen
and I remember it vividly. We watched the Saints games
as when I was a kid, my dad would turn.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
You, turn down the TV, turn up the radio.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
The radio. You could listen to the radio broadcast while
watching the game on TV. Because while there may have
been a delay or two a little bit, it was
right there. It was.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
It was right there.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
And if you had one of those things later on
down love, you could pause live television right, TV pause
it just a little bit, even you pause it just
a bit right when it comes back from commercial on
both sides.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Boom.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Now you're getting the radio play by play and all
the information from that and watching the game at the
same time.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Damn you, Netflix, Netflix.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
He didn't mean that it might be a sponsored One
day we might get.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Speaking of streaming, this is about the only way you
can watch some of these games, but we're talking about it.
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(14:21):
koresh three three three says, why do y'all keep acting
like Luca is any more hurt than anybody.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Else who's played a full season. I watched that whole
game last night.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Luke ain't hurt, Bro, Maybe a little nick their banged up,
but we saw the man hit a game winner over
the defensive player of the year.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
I didn't see any signs of injury. Well, sorry, Superstar
Dad Man.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
At Superstar Dad, Luca was literally in the locker room
at the end of the first and the third quarter
getting treatment on his knees. Oh god, I don't think
he's back there doing that for fun. That's my take
on the mat.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Hey man, Hey, huhs bro. We love, we love you,
We appreciate the somepoint, we appreciate you listening to y'all
love y'all know that, man, But on this on this one.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
Bruh, stop you dog. Everybody he is, he's hurt. They
don't do you think they would say it for no
reason for it. He's hurt, like he's really banging up.
So he is more hurt than some other people that's
still playing. Yes, everybody's dinged up. I get what he's saying, but.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Everybody does have something that's something.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
You know, do you play over one hundred basketball games
in a year, or you know, even ninety basketball games
in the year, something is going to bother you. If
your feet will be sore, your elbow hurts, this D
and third but there's a little bit of an extra
oomph to it. But you're literally going the locker room
mid with midway through several different quarters to go and
(15:45):
get treatment on the knee, the treatment that they can't
just do on the bench.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we appreciate you, bro, We love you man,
But nah, not that one man.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Come on, you got it. So you were hot about this,
we saw. I guess you could say history being made
in Los Angeles as Caitlyn Clark won her first game
in the w NBA the Indiana If Ever, now one
in five they play again and a little bit I
actually will be playing later tonight. But you had an
opinion here.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Yeah, I had an opinion here because it's now.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
It's now to the point where I want to I
want to have some fun with this, mart I want
to draw my line into sand and pick sides this
whole idea. We gotta let it play out, we gotta
let nah. I'm I'm not gonna do that on this.
I'm gonna make a proclamation or opinion that I think
the way I can kind of see this shifting, because
you guys know, I like to dig deep into things.
I don't just believe everything I'm told. There's always a
(16:36):
reason for everything that's gonna happen, and that's gonna be told.
But even last night's game, when you when you see
the type of coverage that this is getting, there's there's
one false narrative I want to attack, Martin. Is this
idea that the w n b A is getting all
this attention. I think it's a false narrative. The Indiana
Fever and Caitlyn Clark are getting all the extra attention
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to where players are even saying, hey, just remember there's
more than one team in the league that was quoted
by injuries, there's there's more than one team in the league.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
And of course because it's herd to me shortly, I
don't mean it, you know that. I think that was
in response to Charles Barkley. Yeah, but but it's.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
All but it's all wrapped around where the attention is going.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Angel retweeted by the way that that they won a
game and it's not because one player got them charter flights.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Yeah, oh yeah, that way.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
I did see it. And she could be petty, so
I could call it. She's still my boob, but she
could be petty. But this, the way this is being delivered,
is the problem that a lot of people are having
with it. And it feels so media driven because, as
we said last week, if you tell me someone is
going to be the savior of a league, the savior
of something, it is going to change the game. I
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can't you can't tell me. I gotta let that person
get acclimated. They're the stars of stars in the history
of sports. Ninety eight percent of them did not have
to get acclimated when they got it. When Deon Sanders
stepped on the field, you saw it. When Eric Dickerson
ran a football, you saw it. When Jerry Rice ran
a route, you saw it, when Joe Mottanna threw a
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pass in high school before Notre Dame, and then on today.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
You saw it.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Then there was no getting acclimated.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
We are told these things that are these false narratives,
and we have to stop because now if you speak
against it, this whole hater thing came up.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Do we have the L duncan sound right here? Can
we play it? Do we play the L Duncin sound
for me?
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Guys?
Speaker 8 (18:35):
What are you looking for? I'm so tired of it.
It just makes no sense to me. And I'm tired
that we keep giving it so much energy, and I'm
tired of it being people who are not in this
circle or space at all, who suddenly have all these
opinions about how these women need to treat Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
What do you want from them?
Speaker 8 (18:52):
They want to beat her because she's not on their team.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Isn't that how it's supposed to be?
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Y'all stop it.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
We already know she's transformational.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
They've all said it.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
How many times have they gotta say it?
Speaker 1 (19:05):
That's L Duncan, that's on her podcast, The L Duncan
Show downloaded. She's she's a lovely woman. Yeah, yeah, no, no,
she is. My wife worked to word her for years,
and all I've ever heard about her is that she's
a great person.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
You can see with the work that she does too.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
But that's the point that people like me are saying,
is is what do you want us to do? You
told us she was something, So if we don't see it,
we can't just close our eyes and act like we
don't see it. We are going to react to it.
We are going to point the fact out. You want
to tell me. Listen, good line last night? Eleven was eleven,
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nine and eight, good line, But four of what fourteen?
Fifteen from the field two and nine from three? You
were always seventy till she hits the two, and now
we're supposed to go, oh there it is. No, it's
it's still you be the one win Sparks team. Let's
just call it what it is. But this narrative that
it's not her, it's everything around her and where everybody's
just hating if you're not on.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Board, it's we don't think that.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
That's what L Duncan was saying that Yeah, I know,
I do.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
That's L. Duncan was saying that in response to people
who were saying that there were players in the w
n b A itself who were pushing back on the
idea are saying they that there was some narrative.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Okay, I get what, I get what you say, never mind,
was like, that's what L. Duncan was in response to.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
And in fact, I just saw a clip uh, came
on came down social media about thirty minutes ago from
Becky Hammond's pregame pressor or pre or you know some
at some point today. I'm not sure exactly what it was,
but it was after last night. Uh. And that's who
the fever getting ready to play is the Aces, Becky
Hammon obviously the coach of the Aces.
Speaker 7 (20:41):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
She was saying that there is no such there are
not players in the w n b A who were saying, like,
katelen Clark is not transformational. Kateln Clark is not is not,
you know, doing the things that people say that she
is doing. It's more of the outside narrative. And I
think and again that does L. Duncan. I'm not saying that,
I'm not putting words her mouth. She could speak for
herself and does quite well. But and I interpret that
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as her talking to Charles Barkley type or somebody who
is saying, y'all are being petty.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Leave Caitlin Clark alone.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
I think that is why guess they were seeing a
slightly different thing because I feel that part of it.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
But I do think that there is because to me,
it's a bigger scope.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
When anybody talks about this, they try to pinpoint one thing,
but we always missed a big picture. And I think
that's purposely done so we could just have our own
little piece and our own little knick knacks that we
can hold onto for our argument when it comes to
players in media driven storylines like this, My point that
I kind of took from it is there is a
sense of not just the women, that if you just
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don't like kiss the Ring, you were this big time hater.
And people are saying she Even me myself, I think
she's a really good player. She can shoot the hell
out of the basketball, but I also don't think that
she can defend worth a damn. I think the league
is going to be more physical, and Is Martin pointed
out last week it is the most competitive pro league
in the world because the spots are so few, So
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you truly do have probably maybe you know, one or
two slips through the crack like area, what ninety six
ninety seven percent of.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
The best players if they got a box that we
got them all. If they slipped, if they slipped through
the cracks, it's not for very long. Yeah, Okay, so
eventually maybe maybe you quote unquote slipped through the cracks
for six months. But then after that, guess what, there's
a new crop of thirty six rookies that are becoming
right back. I'll respond to you. Yeah, God, I'll give
(22:30):
my opinion on that in just a minute. But first
we've got a playoff hockey. Hey, what's going on? Stee?
Was that your Canadian action file was my best effort.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
NBA playoffs as well? And by the way, as far
as w NBA, last night, Indiana was zero and five
but came back to win at LA and they are
at defending champion Las Vegas tonight in a half an
hour at Yes, the Indiana Fever are huge underdogs in
that we shall see today. Minnesota defeated New York after all,
eighty four to sixty seven. New York was a solid
four and one to start the season, as for the Pacers.
(22:59):
Star guard Tyrese Haliburton, with sore hamstring, is out tonight
at least he left in the third quarter last game.
And yeah, game three. Down two games to none, they're
really staring at in the face because they're facing the
number one team in the NBA. The Boston Celtics regular
season went sixty four and eighteen. In the postseason, they're
four to zho on the road so far. Game four
of the series will be Monday night on the Holiday
(23:21):
at the Pacers. In the West Finals, Dallas leads two
games to none. We'll be hosting Minnesota on Sunday evening.
In the NHL's West Final. Game two gets off to
a bang. Only ten minutes in. It's Edmonton tied one
to one at one seed Dallas. The Edmonton Oilers took
the series opener in two overtimes. Dallas, for the home fans,
did get a goal about three and a half minutes
(23:42):
in tonight. Less than a minute later, Edmonton scored to tie.
Golfer Grayson Murray passed away this morning at the age
of thirty. He had opened this season with a victory
and Hawaii in a playoff, getting him into the top
fifty in the world ranking. Tennis's French Open starts tomorrow.
NASCAR's Coca Cola six hundred is Sunday night on Fox
TV from Charlotte. As for college softball, Alabama one in
(24:04):
fourteen innings at Tennessee three to two to stay alive.
Number one ranked Texas on its home field trying to
stay alive leading in extra innings right now nine to
eight against Texas A and M, which is today's home team.
Games two out two on bottom of the ninth inning.
As for Major League Baseball, Fox TV with the coverage
right now Cubs, depending on your part of the country,
(24:25):
could be seeing this. Cubs are leading three two at
Saint Louis in the bottom of the fifth. Red's ahead
of the Dodgers two to one in the top of
the fifth. Dodgers starting pitcher as Walker Buehler, he allowed
two early solo homers. Giants won their fourth in a row,
a ten inning win at the Mets, seven to two.
Mets have lost five in a row. Detroit had lost
five in a row until last night's victory, and they
picked up another win today. Tigers over Toronto, beating pitcher
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Jose Burrios two to one. Baltimore's won three in a
row at one at the White Sox five to three.
Minnesota's won four straight after a five to three win
against Texas. Defending champion Rangers have lost six in a row.
Washington added Seattle a fourth straight loss, three to one
wins for Oakland and Pittsburgh at home. Milwaukee a winner
at Boston sixty three, and the Kansas City Royals have
(25:10):
won eight in a row. They got an eleven inning
victory at Tampa Bay seven to four. Rays have lost
six straight. We can update the softball third out recorded
Texas wins nine to eight and extra innings to for say,
game three of the best of three. Tomorrow we'll find
out who's going to the Women's College World Series.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Back to you.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
A lot of extra innings too of them.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Nobody man, nobody does an update, La Steve.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
It gets everything, every damn thing in there.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Now, real talk.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
I've respect the great jobs to you. Thank you. All right,
Martin and VJ. Coming to your life from the tirerack
dot Com studios. We will continue the conversation we were
having about Kaitlyn Clark right now. All right, here we go.
So the thing about this whole this whole discourse. To me,
it's that it ignores the fact that, yes, Caitlin Clark
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stormed onto a scene in the last two seasons of
women's college basketball, her and Angel re specifically from that
championship game, not the most recent one were South Carolina won,
the one before where LSU won, and there was a
whole big deal. I mean, we had literally the first
Lady of the United States weighing in on this, right,
So it was a conversation of the highest order. They
(26:22):
the losers should go to the White House too, But
it's to the point, a conversation of the highest order, right,
you know what I'm saying. I bet the White House. Yeah,
I bet that Joe Biden was still what we were
talking about. But either way, what ends up happening is
there's there's a much more attention paid on women's college
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basketball in the season in the next season, the season
that just ended with South Carolina winning the title. Right,
and yes, sure, Caitlyn Clark was a Caitlin Clark and
Angel Ree specifically their kind of quote unquote on the
court rivalry because off the court they've been nothing but
uh yeah, spoke highly of each other right.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
But yeah, but I see I don't. I don't buy that.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
I don't. I don't believe in media driven, especially when
we're on the We are the media VJ you have.
You know, this is national media right now. Steve just
read out scores for several parts of the country. So
it's like whether if you're in Chicago, you're seeing the Cubs,
if you're in LA you're seeing the Dodgers. Kind of
the same deal here. We got to tweets from a
guy in Houston. We are the national media. So the
(27:27):
thing is it the hyper focus on women's college basketball
last year, I think has translated now to the w
NBA to the point where, yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
I see a ton of Kitler Clark coverage.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
I see a ton of cam Brient coverage, the second
overall pick from Stanford. I saw Camilla card does on
Angel Reese throwing out the first pitch at Wrigley.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Field a couple of days ago.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Angel rees bought a soccer team, right, there's and there
is uh. We are bringing these stars from that level
right to the next level, the next professional level. And
let's be honest, this is a lot for a lot
of people the first time that they have tuned into
the WNBA right now, I'll be hand up. I'll be
(28:07):
honest with you. I'm not saying this is my first
time watching WNBA. When I started to get into the
WNBA was in twenty twenty, when they were the first
sport back. So I can't now, I couldn't tell you, like,
to be honest, if there was more like eighty five
other sports going on, like there is all the time,
a man never tuned in. But they were the first
sport back into the into the Wubble as they called it,
(28:28):
right because they were the ones season hadn't quite started yet,
so they were able to have all the contingency plans
and bing banin boom all of a sudden, there you go. Right.
And then I did a project for school. I was
in school at the time. I did a project covering
the Wubble from far away, obviously from Los Angeles. Made
some contacts in the league, so I paid more attention
to it. Right. I know more about the WNBA than
(28:50):
I do about hockey. For example, right like, we'll have
a hockey segment coming up, and that moment I will
probably turn the microphone off and go make a sandwich
because I got nothing to do there. I got to say,
all right, but what is happening is is people who
are I think, making straw man arguments saying that there's
players in the w NBA who are somehow quote unquote
(29:12):
salty or whatever you want to say it, starting with
Diana Tarazzi after the Final four game, that are somehow
upset with what Kayln Clark is doing.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
And I just don't.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Believe that to be true. I don't believe that to
be true. And what ends up happening is we are
taking things that we accept in every other aspect of sports,
not only except but like it's expected.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Exactly expecting you want it to happen.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
When Jalen Johnson, cornerback for the Chicago Bears, says it says,
in so many words, whoever they draft, they head and
drafted Kaleb Williams by that, whoever they draft and the
first overall pick is gonna have to come into the
locker room and prove themselves.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Nobody says he's hating on Caleb Williams.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Everybody says that's absolutely right, and the conversation goes from
how does Caleb Williams adjust to the Bears locker room right,
that's the way that it goes. Right, When Anthony Edwards
says at the end of Game seven against Denver, he says,
I have Kyrie. Whether you thought that was him taking
shots or or not, I personally just thought he was
(30:14):
matter of factly saying this is who I'm gonna be
guarding next game. He didn't sound it to me like
it was calling him out. We don't have a conversation
of does Anthony Edwards hate on Kyrie? No, of course not.
He just said that's who I'm guarding. Right, That's kind
of the way it was, And I think I don't.
Maybe it's just because we're as a country, we're newer
here than others, and this is a sport that has
(30:36):
had several the very very passionate fan bases now and
becoming more of the grander conversation. But that's what I
think it is, and I think that's what l Duncan
is referencing. Is like, I don't think that Angel Wilson
is like I hate Kate and Clark. In fact, I
know she's not because I saw a video of her
saying how much he loves Caitlyn Clark prior to this game.
Right now, Agea Wilson, probably the best player in the
(30:57):
league right great shot to win the MVP aces in
the midst of a dynasty run right now, they have
an opportunity to threepeat right now. But all the coverage
is centered around Caitlin Clark and what she's doing, and
I think that ends up brawing, that ends up drawing
people who are not necessarily as familiar with women's basketball
(31:17):
as some of the other people to lead to conclusions
that are not true.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
Also another angle I bring this from with what I
took from what she was saying, is what are we
doing as far as it feels like you have to
come out and say that you love Caitlyn Clark. You
can't even have probably a neutral opinion about it, so
you say it, and then it's still people that's pushing,
you know, everybody's hating or the women and y'all should
(31:44):
be lucky for this or lucky for that, and things
of that nature. I took. That's something else I took
from it. And then to me, that still goes globally
outside of even the league, when it even comes to
people in the media or fans or things of that nature,
that it just feels like it's just almost shoved down
your throats, where if you don't just say she's the greatest,
she's the goat, then it turns into, oh, you guys
(32:04):
a hater on her, You guys should be thankful. Then
you have the pockets of people popping out saying their
individual things, where you have Barkley, who to me, if
I couldn't just really fast to me, I thought, and
I get it, Barkley's Barkley, Barkley whatever, but you're you're
at the Western Conference finals like you're covering the NBA game.
I didn't even understand what was even the point to
(32:26):
even go and do that there and call out all
those women like that the way Barkley did. And I
get we can guess we're at the point where it's
just Barkley being Barkley. Well, yeah, cracks, just crack until
you know somebody takes in the ruins your.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Life, right, Okay, So this justice just I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
I don't live with that. I don't live Oh, it's
just such as a no. At some point, you know,
there's some decorum, some some some honor, some morals that
need to be to attack a whole legion of women
that way and say the way he said it, especially
on that broadcast, I didn't feel that well, it's just it's.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Just to me, it's out of place. There's nobody doing it.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
It becomes straw man versus straw man versus straw man.
A straw man argument is one.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
That okay, yeah, okay, yeah, it's just.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
One that is built on fundamental foundation of straws, like,
it's not something that is rooted in fact, because that's
something that's rooted in the basis of of of something
that is substantial to something that means. It's just you
see one person say something, and you see another person
say something, and all of a sudden, three.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
People now, now, now that's how the world feels.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
And it's just it's just it to me, it's not
true to me. It's it's it's case by case.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
And to me also is if you look at it
from a broader stroke, or you break it down and
look at it from what the ladies are not getting
or what she's getting or attention whatever. I just feel
in the totality of it, it's it's gonna be hard
for her to have to truly live up to what
is being put on her. And being put but once
again we were told she was the goat, she was
the great, She's gonna save a league and all these
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other things. The numbers her first game didn't draw what
the draft did in the and it's been going down.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
I don't I know, So I don't think that.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Matters, like because people are saying that to be like,
I really don't.
Speaker 6 (34:07):
Like.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
I don't cause people are saying, well, let me explain
this real fasts. People are saying they're gonna watch it,
and they're gonna support it, and they're gonna do it.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
I don't believe until I see it happen. I don't
believe that.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
I think people will get with it at first, and
as the summer goes on, you'll see it. You'll see
it dwindle off. That's what I think is gonna happen.
I think the w NBA was growing already.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
They already had two expansion teams that were already in
the works, and the idea that like there is a
ratings boost from Kaitlin Clark, Sure, whatever, but the Raidings
have been steady and that's the reason why they're adding
a team in the Bay Area and adding a team
in Toronto. That'll be that'll be starting to play at
twenty twenty six. That's not because Kateler Clark walked in
the league. That's not That's just not the way it
happened like that. Those were in play well before now.
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But I do want to go back to the men's
side of basketball. We have the Pacers and the Celtics
just tipped off eleven twenty four. Left there Boston with
a two nothing lead. Tyre's Halliburton is on the sideline
dressed like Harry Potter.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
I was about to say, I ain't gonna lie the
VARs sweater, but the round type glasses does give it
Harry Potter Fields.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
I mean, my man is interesting fashion choices. I'll say
that to say the least. But we saw something in
yesterday's Western Conference Final game that to me is completely
and totally unacceptable and it drives me up a wall,
and I'm gonna share it with you. Coming up next,
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from the tire rack dot com studios. Last night, the
Dallas Mavericks beat the Minnesota Turblewolves at one oh nine
to oneh eight in.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
A tightly contested game. But there was one thing in.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Particular that drove me insane. J I was screaming at
the television to the point that Neighbors Center is he Okay,
I'm not sure that didn't.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
You screaming at the television. That's not you, that's not your.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Dang there was so Kyrie hit to three with one
minute left, right a one minute five seconds left. They
come down Tennessee. The Timberwolves have a two point lead,
one o way to one oh six.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Okay, Anthony Ever gets trapped.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
He passes the ball to Jaden McDaniels in a very
tough spot. The referee, Kyrie comes over, plays defense, the
ball is knocked out of bounds. The referee calls it
Timberwolves basketball Kyrie. And Kyrie, to his credit, is not
one of those guys who every time you see a
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foul call, he's swinging.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
His finger around the air like review, reveal it, review
it right.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
He's not one of those guys We have not seen it.
Doesn't this one he could see. He was kind of earning.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
He's like, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
Reveal it. Review it. They review the call. The ball
sure was last touched by Jaden McDaniels, but it was
a click. The reason why he dropped the ball because
Kyrie struck him on the forearm. Did he That is
a foul? He it is a foul.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
That is a foul. As a foul it they review it.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
The announcers of the game are saying, like, whoever's on
the game, well, you know, the refs can't review a
foul that wasn't called. They can only review who touched
the ball last. If this is the way that things
are going to be, they just eliminate review because what
you're telling me is I'm the jack hole because I'm
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sitting there saying that's a foul and I'm saying, oh wait,
it's a foul, but it doesn't matter. It's a foul
because Jada mcgamone has lost the ball. He lost the
ball because he got fouled. If you're gonna review it,
be able to review the whole thing, or don't reveal
it at all.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
And VJ not to mention Minnesota was in the bonus.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Okay, So not only is that a foul, Jadie mcgahndaniel
should have been shooting too free throws with forty seven
seconds left. It changed the entire complexion of the game. Instead,
Dallas gets another opportunity. Minnesota doesn't score again. Luka, doncis
Rudy gobarman have this dance? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (38:14):
Okay, I had his dad look like a cartoon character.
The cartoon character lay.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
But the old thing to me is J D. McDaniels
only lost the ball because he got fouled. If you're
gonna be able to review this, you have to be
able to review it to the point that it makes sense.
Like I would have been fine with them missing the
foul and calling it Wolve's ball, no free throws. Why
because it's hard to be an official. It's hard to
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be a referee, just like it's hard to be a player,
just like it's hard to be a player. We saw
Kyrie VIIs two free throws. When you see that it's hard.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Then kidd call that challenge? Was that kids call the
challenge to call Dallas hid Dallas challenges?
Speaker 4 (38:50):
Okay, so Dallas challenges well also to just real fast,
Jay Kidd, what timely challenges all playoffs long. He is
on a row right now now to this play. I
text Martin early we were talking about this. I say,
I gotta rebuttal for you. It just thought provoking. I
think you know if I'm the only one that's one.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Uh, you're right.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
Kyrie slaps the hell out of his wrist. Okay, you're right.
It's why he lost the ball. It's why he lost
the ball.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
But in the course of a basketball game, especially in
a playoff game, the screws tightened, calls a missed and
my rebuttal to that would be be stronger with the ball, bro,
Like real talk. You know they're coming, you know the
games on the line. You're down a one. You have
what you had home court because you lost game one.
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You need this one. Everything has to be tight. It's
the little things in sports that keeps you from winning
championships are collecting rings.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
It's those type of moments.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
He doesn't have the ball, Kyrie slaps his hand and
he loses the ball. He doesn't he's not zone and
he's not locked that. He's not playing tough and tight.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
That's it. You're right.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
He slapped his arm. But be be stronger with the ball, bro,
be stronger with your position. And you're right, you being
flimsy and just being weak looking around. You know they're coming,
they're coming to double, they're coming to try the foul,
to coming to slap that be pull the ball in tight,
take a foul, calls out whatever. But to have it
rolled out, I mean they mean to have it held
out the way he did. It's like, well, bro, you
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deserve to get that slap dig you get found.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
And if they had called the Dallas ball, I wouldn't
have cried about it, and they missed that. You gotta
grab the ball stronger. But if you're gonna if you're
gonna stop the damn game to show the freaking replay,
call what happened on the.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
Replay, how about Van Gundy saying? How about Van Gundy
saying they're gonna try to find a.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
Way to get this ball back the minute? And I'm like, no,
they can't. They can't find a way. They can tell
they made the mistake and missed the foul. But a
and in the course of a game, the gun that
miss some calls it is what it is. Yeah, it
was well what it is is terrible. That's absolutely terrible.
All right, I can't stand it. But did this NBA
star pull a Scooby Doode? Because where are you? That's right?
(41:05):
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talked about that. Do you have anything more to say
about instant replay because I can't stand it.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
No, I hate it a lot. No, to be honest
with you, it drives can do without it. I could
do without it.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
It doesn't.
Speaker 4 (41:29):
It doesn't make me as mad as it makes everybody else.
But if you really think about it, all this replay
started with malice at the Palace. It goes all the
way back to that where they ate. Replay was injected
for a thousand and doine. Hey, okay, well let's lose
it for calls. And it's in baseball. I never thought,
I never in my life thought if you just told
me ten years ago that baseball would have replay.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
I looked at you like you had two hands.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
I'm like, dude, it's baseball.
Speaker 4 (41:55):
That baseball I still thought was like the purest like
sport left in America as far as like the rules
and the play in which you get because everything else
gets changed so much. But it adn't bother me that much. Mark,
I can do without it, though I don't need you
to pretty much admit you were wrong. I can already
see it. The whole get the call right thing. To me,
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I hate that saying getting the call right.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
I do it the first time, then well that's it.
It's just like, Okay, let's slow it down frame by
frame right to see if the rotation of the ball
change because Jason Tatum didn't clip his fingernails. And I'm like,
you know, I just I can't stand that aspect of it.
It should be. Replay should be to get the obvious call,
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like the call that makes the most sense. And what
the call that made the most sense last night was
a foul on Cayrier every day McDaniel's two free throws
because they're in the bonus.
Speaker 4 (42:47):
The last quick thing about replay, as you just said,
to get the call right thing, and my thing is like,
is it this. You're gonna miss some calls and some
calls on his gregious as other calls. But at the
end of the day, we have replay. We went back
and looked through anything like like you said, every reframe,
every segment. We've been lied to in a lot of
great sports achievements in life. The first one that comes
to my mind is Jordan took off from the free
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throw line.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
No he didn't.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
You can see his foot clearly step over.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
But because that was just what we saw and there
was no replay, and we just went with that, and
it's been fine, it didn't changed, it's been it's been okay.
But if we had to break every damn thing down
by frame in sports, we'd almost probably would rewrite sixty
percent of what has happened.
Speaker 4 (43:27):
And we just can't have that. That's why I could
do without it. Referees get some right to get some wrong.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
Yeah, I feel like, unfortunately we're missing the plot. We're
just missing the plot of this. And then honestly, another
one that we're missing the plot of is and then
this is again an argument that I've seen on social
but it's not just it is not just limited to
this one. Player, but something that I see all the
time whenever somebody loses, and that just it's lame to me.
(43:54):
It's so lame to me because Anthony Edwards has not
played well offensively this series. He is not that that
is an undeniable fact, and people are just having and
as you know, I say, hand up my bad. I
hate when people do this. It's maybe it's just the
people that I follow or come down my timeline because
who even knows who follows who anymore because Elon ruined
(44:16):
it with the for you page. You know, he used
to be the for you page my timeline. That's the
people I follow you for me, they were for me.
That's the people that now you just see all these
people randomly popping up in your in your feed.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
But like some of the pushback.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
On Anthony Edwards is really driving me crazy because this kid,
instead of seeing that he's twenty two years old, instead
of seeing that this is the longest playoff run that
he has been in his entire career, instead of seeing
that the Minnesota Timberwolves are in a place they have
not been since Kevin Garnett was in Minnesota, instead of
(44:57):
that it's oh, Anthony Edwards where were you when you
were supposed to do this? Oh?
Speaker 2 (45:01):
I thought you were supposed to be Michael Jordan, this
and that, like.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
And I don't know who in the reality is saying
these Like someone can remind you of a player without
having to say that you expect this player to do
all of the things that that other player did, Like, uh.
Speaker 4 (45:20):
What I supposed to people in our business do do, Martin.
And it's lame that they do it. It's lame that
they do it.
Speaker 1 (45:26):
And you know what that I'm not even talk about
people necessarily in the business. I'm talking about just the
society at large. It fields It just drives me insane.
And it's also let's not forget that he's he. Anthony
Edwards is one of the few players in the NBA
who is the primary scoring option for his team by
a long shot, and also the second our first best
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defensive option on his team. Like people talk about Luka
doncis being not now. I saw this going yesterday. Luca
Donci is not the best player in the world, all right, whatever.
I think that is a title that means very little
in the grand scheme of life. Right Who is the
best player of the world right now? Because if you
has anybody to start of the playoffs as joking now to.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
Me, To me, it got old ten years ago. It's
just like who.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
I don't I truly don't give a damn who the
best player in the world is. Like do you even
really know strawberry vanilla chocolate is all ice cream. It's
all ice cream, strawberry. See, and I wouldberry strawberry would
have been my third option. Wow, So there you go.
But you know what if the option is no ice
(46:33):
cream or strawberry ice cream, I think I would take
the strawberry. Right, That's the whole point of this, Like,
that's the whole point. It's lame to do it, and
it is. It is neglecting the fact that he when
he's talking about a guy being a two way player,
like Luka Doncis is not guarding Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
He's guarding Mike Conley, who was in college at the
same time as me. Like it's seventeenth okay, here, I think.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
I remember seeing Mike Conley at Ohio State when I
was in high school. Yeah, he w went to the
game they played they played many many average right, yeah
you were school Okay, So like Kyrie Irving as good
a defense as he is.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
Playing in this series, he ain't gardened.
Speaker 1 (47:13):
You know what I'm saying, Like he's he's guardian Anthony
Edwards some but you know they're they're hiding these guys defensively,
Like we'll see Jason Tatum, who is he gonna He
wouldn't guarden Tyre's Halliburton in this series, and Tyree's Halliburton
wasn't guarden Jason Tatum. Right, there's nuance that should be
injected into these conversations that is just not And I
(47:34):
feel like, for whatever reason, it all comes back to Lebron.
It all comes back to trying to discredit some of
the things that Lebron did along the way. And I
can get it now because like I was a kid
when Lebron hype started, Now I hear the same type
of hype with a wim min yama, right, And I
promise you, handed up hand to God, I will not
be this person who is saying, oh, look, Victor Mavajall
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only had forty three points on seven for ten shooting
at eighty nine three throw like no, no, you know what,
but he kicked it to the corner in the last moment,
it's like, we got to stop doing this and just
appreciate the fact of what's actually happening. Like, who has
negative things to say about Jalen Brunson after the next show?
You know what I'm saying, Like people did though, but that,
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but that, And to me, if you have negative things
to say about him after that ship, you are missing
the whole point of what makes this game fun, what
makes it beautiful, Like, you're missing the entire point.
Speaker 4 (48:30):
Yeah, this is what I would say to an this.
This would be my only critique of him. He's not
shooting well. He's eleven to thirty three or now twenty
five percent seven and nineteen two things that one during
the series I'm seeing in one app before the series.
I like, but he can reel it back. And this
isn't a knock. This is more I'm coming at it
like uncle V. I'm coming at it like a OG
(48:50):
giving a young dude who I like, who I've tapped
a superstar. He is on my list.
Speaker 1 (48:55):
I don't care what he is on anybody else's list.
Speaker 4 (48:57):
I have him as a superstar because you watch VIM
to see him. He's being compared to some of the
greatest players of all time. They don't do that to
role players. It happens to the guys that are superstars.
The two things that I would take is stop chucking threes.
Where's your attack game? This series it's been and it's
not just this serious. The last three games of that
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Nugget series, he launched a lot of jumpers.
Speaker 1 (49:21):
Not sure if that's confidence. Not sure if that's your
your your cardio? Have you hit?
Speaker 2 (49:25):
Have you hit a wall? Reggie Miller keeps bringing that
up during.
Speaker 4 (49:28):
The telecast, that he's you know, he's he's gassed, he's gassed.
I would say, you know, you know a little harsh bad.
You're twenty two. At twenty two, you're that next dude,
you're that franchise guy. You can't be gassed in May.
You can't maybe at thirty seven and thirty eight or
thirty six and thirty five years old, Yeah, but not
at twenty two.
Speaker 2 (49:45):
If you're that guy. That's one thing. The second thing
is I don't mind the charismaticness. I don't mind the talk.
Speaker 4 (49:50):
I don't mind it, but sometimes it feels like he's
trying to show us, like like who he is.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
It's brand.
Speaker 4 (49:58):
It feels like that it feels like you're you're trying
to show me, and that's cool, bro, but let it
play out more on the core and then it will
be more acceptable as time goes on. Because you're right,
I didn't really take it as he called out Kyrie.
Speaker 1 (50:11):
But that's not the world that we live in.
Speaker 4 (50:13):
That's not the world in the society you said the
man because even myself like, okay, you know you guarded Kyrie.
We already know it, but you made it a point
to go ahead and say it. And you know what,
I'm gonna guard Kyrie.
Speaker 1 (50:28):
Shut his water off. That's what he said.
Speaker 4 (50:31):
But there is a portion of his personality that you
can look at it and go, Okay.
Speaker 2 (50:35):
He's a young kid with some moxy.
Speaker 1 (50:37):
He's not.
Speaker 4 (50:37):
He may not have called him out, but he threw
his name out there like, and you know that he
knows me and Kyrie.
Speaker 1 (50:43):
I got I got Kyrie. That's how he said it.
Speaker 4 (50:45):
He goes, Oh, it's gonna be fun to match up
against Kyrie's I got Kyrie. When you play ball and
you say I got you, I got Martin. If I
show up to the car, I got Martin, I'm calling it.
I don't want nobody I got Martin. I don't want
nobody else. So and the first half of Game.
Speaker 1 (50:59):
One, again I gonna say, I don't I'm shutting everybody down.
Speaker 2 (51:04):
He just matter of fact he said, yeah, I'm gonna
guard Kyrie.
Speaker 1 (51:07):
Hold up, Hold up.
Speaker 2 (51:08):
Kyrie took it a certain way.
Speaker 4 (51:09):
That's the way he came out in game one, the
way Afro Reed came out in Game one. You could
tell that was okay. But yeah, you do got me.
But let me let me show you. You a young
bucket you coming, but let me show you. Let me
show you who I am. Let me remind some of
you guys that I'm still Uncle Drew. Like that first
half was Kyrie special. But I believe the competitor in Kyrie.
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You take a piece of that, and it's like, oh, yeah,
I got that. If you and I went to.
Speaker 1 (51:35):
The court right now, Martin and we're gonna play two
other guys, And somebody made the point about, yeah I
got Martin. That don't do a little something to you
as a competitor, like, yeah, you got me, bro, if
somebody comes to you, I'm gonna shut this m effort
DOWNE that is coming off on and that is coming
off of him leaving the Rein up to Game seven,
I had Jamal in, I had him in handcuffs, like
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you know it, did you know? There's show? Yeah, a little.
I don't have a problem with talking trash. I don't
have a problem with him talking trash, not one bit.
So I think that wasn't what it was in the
postgame interview. I think a little piece of it was.
I do none of none of his body language, none
of the way he said it, none of that. He
just matter of fact he said I got Kyrie the
same way that when people were like in this postgame
interview when he said he was exhausted, like he was
(52:18):
looking for an excuse. He legitimately said, look, I was exhausted.
I'm gonna be better next game. I will be prepared
and better. Was he better? No, But that was his response.
He didn't have his head down, he wasn't burying, attaching,
he wasn't bile. I was exhausted.
Speaker 4 (52:32):
I agree with you, and that I didn't take that
as an exten it's not. You can see we can
see you're we can see it. We can see it.
Speaker 1 (52:38):
I'll put about this. Let's make it rule if you can.
If it is obvious and plain what the athlete is
talking about. It's not it's not bulletib woar material least
at least at least for us to the meeting, right
if it is obvious and playing, because I would have
told you.
Speaker 2 (52:52):
Look if I had told you, if people say that that.
Speaker 1 (52:56):
Did you see that? Yeah, I absolutely did it. But
if people had told you day one one of the playoffs,
that's gonna be the Mavericks and the Timberwolves in the
Western Conference Finals, first of all, everybody be like no, no,
But but I'm just saying, if just just suspend believe
for a moment and say that somebody told you that.
Speaker 2 (53:12):
I said, who do you think is that the guard Kyrie?
Speaker 1 (53:14):
Your first thought would have been either Anthony Edwards or
j D McDaniels, Like that would be like that, like
like that's just the way it's obvious. Who was supposed
to go to town?
Speaker 2 (53:24):
No, I would have I would have thought Conley.
Speaker 1 (53:27):
Conley would have guarded Kyrie.
Speaker 4 (53:28):
Yeah, that's he's been kind of he's been he's been
kind of guarded him in this series. I mean, Kyrie
is giving them all work, you know what I'm saying,
Like when he turns it on last night he was
at one point five points and it did with two
for seven or two.
Speaker 1 (53:39):
Freight or something like.
Speaker 4 (53:40):
But he wasn't he wasn't into his game. He was
it was Lucas Knight. It was time for Luca. But
it was time for Kyrie to start hitting threes, to
start getting going. When he his first three in the
series last night. He didn't have a three in Game one,
Game two, so he is he his first series, his
first of all three pointer in the serious last name
to the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1 (53:59):
So imagine how different the conversation would be if they
had called that foul foul. Jade McDaniels makes two free
throws and they have a four point lead, and I'm
just saying, I'm just saying, hypothetically, if they called that foul,
Jay McDaniels gives them a four point lead, one ten
to one oh six, and Kyrie, who had just missed
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two free throws on the other side of the ball,
that would have that would have been a you know,
apologized to his dad, to Ford too. It would have
been a lot different storylines that would have came out
of this one. But it changed the series. Because the
series is over I'm not going. I am. I'm not going.
Everybody said the series is over when Minnesota went up
(54:40):
two on Denver, but again they did. But you're skipping
apart because everybody said the series was over again.
Speaker 4 (54:48):
When Denver won two games. I want I won't change Minnesota.
I won't change my mind. All right, I'm saying I
won't change my mind.
Speaker 1 (54:53):
Chris said it the other day. Christmas said the other day,
I've never heard something tru were spoken about the NBA playoffs.
When one team wins a game, it seems like, how
could this team ever lose again? Another team losing that
game win. I'm not seeking this seriously though, I know.
But we'll see. There's a reason why these things go
six or seven. But we had a commentator make a
(55:15):
bold proclamation not too long ago. Martin and v J.
Will see if they agree. Coming up next Fox Sports Radio.
I started laughing because it's tyreech Haliverton just came on
the screen again with his other Pacers sweater. Now it's mustard,
it's mustard. Still he's wearing the same. You know what
people have been talking mess about this. I'm in favor
(55:38):
of the union. The PACER's wearing the same jersey every game.
Why these gold joints. Yeah, they've been wearing the same ones.
You know what has else? Every time I turned the
TV on, I know exactly what I'm looking at. Yeah,
I turned on the Tigers today, Detroit Tigers. That the
steady connection. Who hell is this? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (55:53):
And Fridays they got their throwback something. Yeah, Baseball's crazy.
Speaker 1 (55:57):
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Speaker 2 (56:16):
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Speaker 4 (56:18):
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biff joint right there.
Speaker 1 (56:24):
I like varsity sweaters.
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They don't yeah, they don't bother me long you put
it like a big letter custom joint, or like a
big V or.
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A big h on idrock.
Speaker 2 (56:31):
You know, some jeans fitted, some sneaks and chain on.
Speaker 1 (56:34):
You Frish it looks like he's going to a job
interview in Los Angeles.
Speaker 4 (56:37):
Yeah, or brunch or hey, that's brunch right there, that's
at the Marina. That's a Marina brunch outfit.
Speaker 1 (56:45):
Eight minutes left in the second quarter of the Game
three of the Eastern Conference Finals Indiana with they forty
one to thirty seven lead over the Boston Celtics. Right now,
Steve de Seger will be all over that in just
about five minutes. But first, you know what, actually, shortly
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off of the year. So before game one is the
Game one of the Western Conference Finals, Van Gundy said this,
we'll pretty sure.
Speaker 2 (57:20):
Kind of like in the beginning of the first quarter,
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (57:25):
It wasn't leading up to Game one, and he said
I'm paraphrasing here Minnesota, which Minnesota had a great defense
all season. He said Minnesota's great defense is going to
have trouble with what he deemed to be the best
offensive backcour of all time. And then Reggie Miller goes, what, yeah, history,
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It's like, hey, hey, hey, hey, turn it down from
from from ten to five, right there, Reggie about that?
Speaker 4 (57:53):
I mean, Jesus Lord, Reggie's got that's it. That's the
thing that in Are you kidding me? That's Reggie things
the what and are you kidding me? But uh listen, man,
I couldn't decide whether I liked it or didn't like it.
What I thought it was was actually kind of cool.
And he he's got a point. But then my mind
quickly goes through you know, two or three, maybe four
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other backcourts in the history of the game that I go, Okay,
uh yeah, you got Zeke and Dumars who won two championships. Okay,
you got you got Klay and Chef who's won four.
I even throw in their Chauncey in Ai people. When
AI got shipped out of Philly gots he didn't lose
a step. He still went to Denver, went mellow, and
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with Chauncey in the back court the one two it
was still averaging twenty six, twenty seven, twenty.
Speaker 2 (58:40):
Eight points a night. He was still doing that.
Speaker 4 (58:42):
That backcourt just happened to run into a very determined,
probably one of the most determined one season athletes I've
ever seen, Kobe Bryant, and they lost in six in
the Western Conference Finals.
Speaker 2 (58:54):
My list kind of stopped there.
Speaker 4 (58:55):
I really I thought maybe Chauncey and Rip, but Rip
was more more of a kind of run off the screen,
mid range kind of guy. He had to work on
the three that came later, uh in his career.
Speaker 1 (59:06):
But and those are the other three.
Speaker 4 (59:07):
But hey, man, when you talk about what Luca is
right now and you talk about what what Kyrie the
way he has really developed, people have to also realize
this that Jason's kidd told us this like face to
face verbally, he's the vet leader of this team. This
isn't Luca's team. Guys by marketing and that type of standard. Yeah,
but in that locker room, Kyrie's the vet here. Kyrie's
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the guy that's kind of got these guys going right
now where they are.
Speaker 2 (59:34):
So man, it's you know, it's.
Speaker 4 (59:38):
Not true, but it's a fun topic, I said, And
it does make you think, bro I said, they have
potential to be.
Speaker 1 (59:47):
It makes you they're on the short list. It's not
a long list, No, dude, I don't.
Speaker 4 (59:50):
I mean I literally just could get to Did I
miss any Did you think mars?
Speaker 1 (59:55):
I say, play stuff? And like I said, I had
to throw chance and and if depending on how far
back you want to go out there, you have to
consider Celtics Jerry West and you know I mean they.
Speaker 4 (01:00:06):
Were yeah, no, no, no, that counts. That counts West and
good Rich. Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
How far you depending how far you want to go back? Well,
he said ever, but that is true. He did say,
he said everage, so I could go back as far
as I want forever?
Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
Is Celtic teams too?
Speaker 6 (01:00:23):
Right?
Speaker 4 (01:00:23):
That Kozi and who had been who would have been a?
Was it Sam Jones or Caz Please don't get mad
at me. People on their miss some of those names.
Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
I haven't have to go back to some of that stuff.
But to me, though, it is now, if you were
to take both of these players at the at the
height of their powers, right then I think it would
be without question right uh with Luca Luca. Just to
be clear, I think Lucas at the height of his
powers now, Kyrie on the downs.
Speaker 4 (01:00:49):
He's only twenty five man, Luca's only twenty five years old, and.
Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
If he went the finals and the finals MVP right now,
I think it's pretty much solidifying a Hall of Fame career.
Kyrie Irving will have a Hall of Fame career in
the back hall of career right now. And the thing
about Kyrie, the thing that makes me say, if you
had them both at the height of their powers, is
Kyrie is not you know, he's not Cleveland Kyrie. He's not. No,
that's he will have a twenty four point first half
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right and finished with thirty. Yeah, but it's on and
one after the fall. Dude. It's like it's like when
you have an actor or something like that, who you know,
we remember when they were in their in their prime
and the gotcha when they're hitting things out of the park.
And now they're doing like The Ocean's Eleven types and
they have like three or four scenes where it's like, damn,
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he really got this thing in the bag. He knows
what he's doing with this, and then you know, you know,
but you can tell he's like, Okay, he can't carry
the full film anymore.
Speaker 4 (01:01:46):
Yeah, they get one late season pop actor, that comes
to my mind. I love that analogy. By way, it's
a great analogy. Ed O'Neil aka Al Bundy.
Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
Right, so you could carry he could carry all married
with children, right, he could carry that. It was in
Blue Chips right or But like now in Modern Family,
some of his some of his scenes are the best scenes,
but not necessarily the focus of the entire show exactly.
Speaker 4 (01:02:12):
But later in his career, when does he bounced backwy
that New Clippers thing, that New Clippers show that's coming out.
He's playing Donald Stirling, who's the main care So that's
that's what I'm saying. The analogies person give him called
Oh yeah, no, no, the analogy is perfect. You go
from Al Bundy to he's the report in Blue Chips.
That's trying to ruffle Nick Nolty. For you guys out
there listening to remember Blue Chips, that character is Al Bundy.
He also played in another small part, but tomorrow's analogy, yeah,
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big part. Then you kind of attach on to some
movies people still say, oh yeah, he's still good, but
he can't carry it. But you kind of got one
more left in you are a couple more left on
you in the backside.
Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
Every remind me of why I like you so much.
Speaker 1 (01:02:49):
I think it was Toby Keith that said I'm not
as good as I once was, but I'm a good
once as I ever was.
Speaker 4 (01:02:54):
Ooh, and Toby Keith, hold on because you guys make
fun of my music stuff. That's a that's a country singer, right, yes, okay,
all right, cool?
Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
I take that win.
Speaker 6 (01:03:03):
Man.
Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
If I didn't know what it was, you guys would
be clown to me.
Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
Hey, Steve, I got it. I got one for you, Steve.
You ready for this? Ben Shephard, Indiana Pacers rookie starting
is the first rookie to start a conference finals since
twenty eighteen.
Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
Jason Tatum, were you about to say it in your update?
Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
Of certainly not?
Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
I just you know, Steve, Steve's get all the facts, Steve.
Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
No, not all. Somebody get all the facts. I just
want today.
Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
You do not want to shut it up? I'm up?
Speaker 3 (01:03:32):
They be daily one opt on.
Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
Facts.
Speaker 3 (01:03:34):
Facts are a good thing.
Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
He does know who? Albert though?
Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
More facts? And actually what you mentioned the Lakers. As
soon as Van Gundy said that, my first thought live
was does he not remember the Lakers like I know?
Technically Elgin Baylor, for example, was probably not a guard.
But before Gail Goodrich's Weston Baylor would do. I mean, okay,
that's and that is part I just need to say
this out loud. That is part of basketball history. By
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the way, wherever it's a mighty long time, even if
it was before we were born. You can't say in
history if you don't mean history.
Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
Perry agree, That's why I lost.
Speaker 3 (01:04:11):
I can't tell you the amount of times I've heard people,
including in this building, who said, yeah, well you know
I wasn't alive when Sandy kovid it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
Yeah, well that was back when they were only what
you think, how.
Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
Much member of Willie Bays or Baber doesn't matter. They're
part of history. We got six minutes to go, second
quarter at Indiana. This is Game three of the NBA's
East Finals, and the Pacers are now leading the Boston
Celtics fifty one to forty two. Each team was shooting
close to sixty percent from the floor for much of
the first quarter. Pacers set sixty four percent from the
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floor for the first half. Right now, these are the
two best offenses in the league from the regular season.
Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
In fact, the.
Speaker 3 (01:04:50):
Pacers were number one. They averaged one hundred and twenty
three points per game, which was top ten highest for
a season in league history. Miles Turner, their center, has
fifteen points in the first half, Jason Tatum of Boston
with eighteen. It is right now Pacers fifty five forty
four over the Celtics. Celtics took the first two games
of the series at home, and yes, Pacers guard Tyrese Haliburton,
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with his strained hamstring, is out tonight, at least he
left in the third quarter. Last game in the WNBA,
Minnesota defeated New York today and right now, Connecticut, which
is four and oh, has taken the lead at Chicago
late third quarter sixty six sixty two. Last night, Indiana,
which was ozho and five, came back to win at
LA Indiana is a big underdog at champion Las Vegas,
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but second quarter the Indiana fever in the lead thirty
two to twenty six. Even though rookie Caitlin Clark is
one of five shooting from the floor five points. In
the NHL Game two of the West Final, eight minutes
to go second period, it is still tied. Edmonton won,
Dallas won Oilers took the opener of the series in
double overtime. NASCAR's Coca Cola six hundred is Sunday Night
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on Fox TV from Charlotte, with the temperature near ninety there.
Ty Gibbs earned his career poll. He's twenty one years old.
Chase Elliott won today's Infinity Race. The ND five hundred
is scheduled for tomorrow. Thunderstorms are expected there though. As
for Major League Baseball, a couple of games on Fox TV,
depending on your region. Cincinnati, where it's due to rain tomorrow,
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They're gonna get this game in tonight. The Reds are
leading three to one over the Dodgers in the bottom
of the eighth and top of the eighth that Saint
Louis Cubbs ahead of the Cardinals four to three. Tilly's
tied one to one in the first at Colorado. Kansas
City won it's eighth straight game and eleven inning win
at Tampa Bay seven to four. Each team had scored
one run in the tenth.
Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
Back to you, thanks Steve Martin, I VJ coms a
lot from the ti raq dot com studios. Right now,
the Indiana fever right now, given the Vegas Ace is
a pretty good game. Remember the Vegas Aces back to
back WBA champions thirty four to twenty nine. As a Leah,
Boston hits a jumper with six something left in the
second quarter. There, But what are you seeing out of
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this Pacers Celtics game? Steve just had all the details
with VJ. What's your opinion?
Speaker 3 (01:07:01):
Man?
Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
What I just said to you during the break?
Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
Did did?
Speaker 4 (01:07:04):
This is a game for Boston if you're that team,
if you're that squad, and y'all know what I'm talking about,
you listeners, you understand what I'm describing. That squad that's
picked to win. It been the dominant squad all year long.
You should go hang a banner, no excuse type of
season championship with bus and you go up two zero,
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You go on to Row four, Game three in the
Eastern Conference Finals and their star players out. This is
a kick them in their head while they're down game.
This is a ten, fifteen, twelve, twenty point win. I
told Mark during break, we used to think Laker Kobe
and the walking through the West and walk was it
was so boring. The Spurs smacking everybody around for three
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rounds was so boring.
Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
Back to Jordan back.
Speaker 4 (01:07:50):
We always say we want competition, and then teams are
supposed to live up to all these other teams on
these lists that we put up with.
Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
What the team beat this team, What this team do this?
What this team do? These are the games that tell you.
Speaker 4 (01:08:02):
Now that's not to say they can't go win the championship,
but these are the games that tell you, yeah, it's
just kind of laid out for you, guys if you
go win it, because nights like this, you shouldn't be
down to this Indiana team right now. Miles Turner is
killing you. You're supposed to be one of the better
defensive and offensive squads in the league and you and
you're show and you're showing up like this. This This
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is why I don't trust the Celtics. This is exactly
why they're proving it again. Now, are they gonna probably
gonna win this series? Yes, if Tyres is out again,
there would have to be a catastrophic for foot Balls
not to win this series. But I go back and
look at things like this. If they don't win it
all this year, this will be a game. I'll go
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back and sit in the same chair and say, guys,
I told you during Game three that you just couldn't
trust them. They were showing you that night and a game.
Not to say they can't even come back and win
this game tonight. But down eleven on the row, five
or four, let's going into the half. I mean, what
are you doing? No continuity, no movement, a lot of
kind of standing around. I sold basketball, either hit or
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make the three. And like Martin and I was saying,
as they turned the ball over right now and it's
about to give up another fast break dunk to Siakam.
You know it's crazy, man. That's where I'm at with
this game right now. You can't trust Boston. Yeah, And
it's weird to say because they've only lost two playoff games.
This entire shit, this entire run.
Speaker 1 (01:09:24):
Y are you know?
Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
But I agree with you. They feel incomplete.
Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
They feel like something's missing. And I don't know if
his style of play, I don't know what it is. Well,
I know I dislike the way they play. I think
they shoot way too many threes. They don't you know,
it's just too much Barians when it comes into all
of that type of stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
But I said it before the game started.
Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
I like Indiana's chances today as they take a sick
what is that a fifteen point leader.
Speaker 4 (01:09:45):
They're missing a dog man, they're missing smart, they're missing
Grant trusting those moves.
Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
And we talked about it on the show. I called
those moves out.
Speaker 4 (01:09:53):
When they happen, not immediately, not March or April or
even January, February. No, those moves didn't mat Then those
type of moves will show up in May and June
when you are playing the same team for seven games
and a week and a half straight, the way they
spread out playoff games.
Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
Now, your deficiencies don't go away.
Speaker 4 (01:10:13):
They're going to show TJ McConnell, this dude should not
be balling like this against you, against the talent that
you have, Jayleen, Jayden bro, Jalen Brown and Holiday.
Speaker 2 (01:10:25):
On the perimeter.
Speaker 4 (01:10:26):
How is this guy getting off and driving and hitting
runners and getting around the paint as he gets an
up and under and another in another bucket as I'm
talking right now, like he just drove around in the paint.
Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
Mcconne's a good player, you know, that's that's fine. I
think he should he be doing Should he be doing
this to them with no Halliburton on his on the floor.
In my opinion, he's getting good shots. I mean, I
don't expect him to score like he's got twelve now.
Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
I'd be shocked if he cracks twenty.
Speaker 4 (01:10:51):
Hey, the way the way he hooping right now, twenty
twenty might be you know, twenty might be in reached
for him. I got him getting twenty, not over twenty
right on the dot for a tej.
Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
But I think this last possession that we just saw
really emphasizes what just happens. Right, So Boston misses a shot,
Al Horford gets the rebound, kicks out to Jason Tatum
who steps into a three point shot. There's no like
flow reset, there's no screens, there's no like when you watched.
Part of the reason why I liked watching The Next
Place so much of this postseason was because they.
Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
Had an offensive identity.
Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
Yeah, well TV steps out of bounds there, but they
had offensive identity.
Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
You know, it's a good thing.
Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
Replay you know exists, But the Knicks have a bad
They were running sets. You know, they run sets. Part
of the thing that drives to be crazy about the
Timberwolves is how many sets they run. Sometimes they'd be
like yo one four flat get Anthony ever the ball
at the top of the key and don't give them
the option to pass anybody. It's like, we're going down
with you, you know, like that that's what I would
like to see, you know, but you see.
Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
That more and more and more in the NBA.
Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
But this Boston is taking the pace in space the
three point you know, the three point barrage strategy that
Golden State employed. And that's the last team that went
to the back to back finals, right, Golden State Warriors.
But the difference is you had two of the best
shooters of all time.
Speaker 4 (01:12:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
Right, and Clay Tomes like if I you know, if
I have kids, who I will show they do what
Clay Thompson does when he shoots? Are you kidding me? Yeah?
Like that was the form shooting personifie Clay Thompson. And
Steph Curry of course with his incredible range, and we
see him now his game trickling down to you know,
little girl girls like Heyler Clark of trying to you know,
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emulating some of the similar style. And now it's nothing
for some people to shoot logo three pointers. But Steph
before trust me, guys, if you started watching this thing
a few years ago.
Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
STEP's been doing this since he was at Davidson.
Speaker 4 (01:12:49):
Uh yeah high school also too. Just a few old
school names I could throw in there. You want to
put some tape on and watch guys shoot. Glenn Rice Hersey,
Hawkins Dale Curry, Moore a Chris Jackson had just just
a pretty my data barrels three point specialists back in
the day for the SuperSonics and a few other teams.
Sixers played for some other squads in the league, but
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with Boston, as you said, they have no identity. So
it's either launched the bomb, launched the threes, but they
should have an identity because, once again, as I do
with the whole Caitlyn Clark narrative, if you're telling me
that Jason Tatum is, you know, this upper echelon and
top league player, and so is Jalen Brown, then you
got to create some type of identity when you got
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two guys that are that damn good, you're telling me
they're this good, but you don't.
Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
Have an identity.
Speaker 4 (01:13:39):
Did you just get lucky this year with the win
total because the East was so bad and because Embiid
went down, You have some other injuries on.
Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
Some other teams. I think the margin between first and second.
You can directly point at the Milwaukee Bucks. Oh yeah,
they should have. They should have been somewhere like six
games behind first place. Yeah, I think if you really
look at and they went.
Speaker 4 (01:13:58):
Through some injuries to Jannis, miss Tim Middleton, miss time. Hey,
they fired a coach like they were doing from the beginning.
When you fired coach, that's thirty four and twelve, I'll
never are thirty two and fourteen, thirty in thirteen, thirty thirteen,
thank you, thirty thirteen still, but thirty and thirteen. You
fire your coach, you deserve all the bad luck that
you're gonna get. As Boston puts, as I'm sitting here trashing,
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they put the other running the mat ato running a minute.
Speaker 1 (01:14:22):
Here, but it's real quick because we got to go
to break in just a second. I don't want to
say this because it drives me nuts. Everybody says this,
this draft is going to stink or whatever. But every
year we see someone in the playoffs with a rookie
player who's playing big time minutes and shout out to
Ben Shephard. Right, I was a twenty sixth pick in
last year's draft. Now starting in a finals Eastern Conference Final.
Speaker 4 (01:14:42):
I got one better than that, man, I gave Miss
Pross watching the game out loud last night, I did not.
I didn't believe Derek Lively would be that. I thought
he was going to be some cut coming out of Duke.
I thought that kid was going to be some salt.
Let me tell you something, man, that kid's got a
little active Joe Kim noah uh kind of young DeAndre
and him.
Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
He is very, very act.
Speaker 4 (01:15:02):
He can't do a lot when you get the ball,
but if you just get him around the rim, tell
him to just block some shots, get some boards.
Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
He's doing very well as a rookie.
Speaker 1 (01:15:10):
For speaking of all those names, we'll come up next
to a play a game of who you Got with
a big Pat Martin VJ, Fox Sports Radio. Martin VJ
coming to a line from the Ti rack dot com studios.
By the way, you hit us up on Twitter, I'm
at Martin y DVJ at the Big Vanilla Funding and
of course at Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
Let's go ahead, Pat, fire it up.
Speaker 5 (01:15:30):
All right, Martin VJ at his time for the sensation
sweeping the nation, It's time for who you got, and
Martin VJ. I don't know about you guys, but I
feel like I've been on a little bit of a
hot streak going on.
Speaker 1 (01:15:43):
Don't lie to yourself.
Speaker 5 (01:15:44):
I'm not lying to myself. I'm speaking nothing but truth here.
With that said, we're going into a new one of
who you Got in this theme, we're actually gonna go
into the football this week. We're going football since OTAs
are high and thriving. A that said, Martin VJ, I
got three little hints free and then we're gonna go
into it. So, Martin VJ.
Speaker 1 (01:16:04):
Who you Got?
Speaker 5 (01:16:04):
Let's go with hint number one. This man started out
actually before he became into the NNFL. He actually started
off in high school playing rugby and actually played in
what was his uh the championship for his own rugby
in his high school.
Speaker 2 (01:16:21):
Number two.
Speaker 5 (01:16:23):
He is actually a relative to PGA tournament golfer Tony
Finow and former of power forward Jabari Parker. Number three,
we're gonna go with this one. He is a one
time first team and one time second team All Pac
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twelve player.
Speaker 1 (01:16:48):
In his team and second team.
Speaker 5 (01:16:49):
First yeah, one time first team and second team and
that's in the Pac tel So With that said, let's
get started. Martin VJ. Who you got?
Speaker 1 (01:16:57):
I got a guess, Okay, go for it.
Speaker 5 (01:16:59):
Toby Gerhart, Oh, I like I like that, but it's
not it played rugby.
Speaker 1 (01:17:03):
That's what I like that. I guess was going to
be a stand for running back as well.
Speaker 5 (01:17:06):
A Christian McCaffrey, Hey, CMC sighting. No, it is not
either one of those cool love the Toby Gerhart thing, though.
Speaker 1 (01:17:15):
Number one of those guys are related to Jabari Parker.
Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
I need to see the family trait.
Speaker 1 (01:17:19):
That's a good for.
Speaker 5 (01:17:21):
That's fair, all right.
Speaker 1 (01:17:28):
Sorry, it's a very good voice.
Speaker 5 (01:17:30):
It's fair all right. Here here's a I'll give you
some more a piece of the puzzle. He is a
five time pro bowler, He has made first team All
Pro twice, and he is a one time Super Bowl champion.
Speaker 1 (01:17:46):
I got a guess.
Speaker 5 (01:17:47):
Okay, go for it. No, I love that, but no
it is no I wish five.
Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
Time Pro bowler, one time All Pro?
Speaker 5 (01:17:56):
Uh two times two times.
Speaker 2 (01:17:57):
Two two times All Pro, one time Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (01:18:00):
Yes, yes, I love the shout out to the Sea
Seahawks and Richard Sherman.
Speaker 4 (01:18:04):
Respect super rugby in high school Pack twelve first and
second team.
Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
Five time Pro Bowler, Yes, Sir.
Speaker 1 (01:18:12):
Thao time all Pro. So he's pretty damn good. If
he's been all Pro.
Speaker 5 (01:18:15):
Yeah, he's all good.
Speaker 4 (01:18:16):
If you're late Abari Parker, then that means he's actually
got to be within the last twenty to twenty five years.
Speaker 1 (01:18:22):
Nobody, but yeah, exactly you would?
Speaker 5 (01:18:24):
You are again correct, Marny got one.
Speaker 1 (01:18:28):
Five time Pro boiler. I feel like I feel like
we're looking for a linebacker this year.
Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
It feels linebacker. It feels it feels running back.
Speaker 5 (01:18:39):
To me the bowman, No by no, but good poll
that is my era. Alright, next day.
Speaker 1 (01:18:47):
You bare my nephew. All right.
Speaker 5 (01:18:49):
He has attended for his entire collegiate career a member
of the Oregon Ducks. Another piece of the puzzle.
Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
The Garrett Blunt that was my what I love it?
Speaker 5 (01:19:01):
No, but I love it. Shout out to the running backs.
Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
He's an Oregon player who's also related to Tony.
Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
How does Tony fen and J Parker? That's where I'm
most Parker is biracial with black and I think.
Speaker 1 (01:19:15):
I just wonder, like, where's where are these guys in
my family? Multi millionaire athletes guarantee Super Bowl change Corgan.
Speaker 5 (01:19:32):
Hm, hmmm, do you want me to throw in another?
Speaker 1 (01:19:34):
Guests? Go for it all?
Speaker 5 (01:19:35):
Alrighty, Now we're gonna do another big piece of this puzzle.
Here another one, and this is actually I think I've
already given you four or five of them. Ready, we're
gonna go with our last one. I think it is.
Speaker 2 (01:19:49):
No, it's gonna be.
Speaker 5 (01:19:50):
This is gonna be the last, last one, last one.
But I can throw in more. He has played for
three teams in his entire NFL career. Here are the ones.
He was with the Eagles, the Ravens, and the Detroit Lions.
Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
What the lawns, Martin?
Speaker 2 (01:20:07):
But a good do I know right when you said
lion is.
Speaker 1 (01:20:10):
My first thought is Joey Harrington with that can't be right.
He ain't never made a progra doors super baby. He
got a Super Bowl like all the bench, but he
was never at all prom Billy Baltimore and Lions. Now
now it feels defensive back. It's not. It just doesn't
feel like a lineman. Oh no, did he play rugby?
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It's basketball season?
Speaker 5 (01:20:34):
Patrick, No, shush, you're just magic. Can get Chris Harris Junior.
A couple weeks ago, two.
Speaker 1 (01:20:41):
Mac in the back, laughing. It's funny.
Speaker 4 (01:20:45):
Yeah, I'm it feels like a lineman and not yeah exactly,
it feels like a limon.
Speaker 5 (01:20:49):
But I'm just I'm gonna throw to it since were
running out of time. Hellodnada, let's go Ravens de tackle
depens to tackle Fredi.
Speaker 1 (01:20:59):
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Speaker 2 (01:21:17):
Jason Tatum just made a layup.
Speaker 1 (01:21:18):
It's seventy three Pacers fifty nine Celtics with just under
ten minutes left in the third quarter. I tell you
what I said. I thought the Pacers would keep it closed.
I didn't think it would be like this. And of
course Boston can go on and run at any minute
and make these last five words I've said look like
the you know age terribly, but it doesn't look like
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it's happening thus far. With a lot of.
Speaker 4 (01:21:41):
Game left, it's a lot of game left, but this
is just Boston's fifty nine points with non thirty five
left on the clock in the third quarter. Is not
their normal offense. Once again, lived by the D three,
Die by the three. As also to around, they ain't
playing no defense. Listen to this.
Speaker 1 (01:21:55):
Andrew Nepharts eight for ten, Miles Turners seven for nine,
Nie Smith is two to Siakam seven to twelve from
the floor, TJ McConnell five for eight. Obi Top it
is only taking two shots one for two. I mean,
there's nobody shooting poorly on the Pacers, right.
Speaker 4 (01:22:11):
It feels like this is one of those games when
you hear the stars out, you just feel like the
name on the front of the jersey is gonna get
the job done, and the talent's gonna get the job done.
And we see this in sports a lot, especially in
the NBA earlier this playoff series. It was a game
time decision for Kawhi Leonard, and Kawhi Leonard was out,
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and you would think that Dallas would come out and
and just kill him and crush him. Kyrie was very
adamant of the postgame press were saying, you know, when
we heard about it, I don't think we did a
good job, good enough job, admnutally prepared to still beat up,
to still play at the top level just because their
stars out, you know, and it feels like one of
these games when you're watching, just the body language and
(01:22:53):
look at this another open dunk, I mean, just the
pain and Al Horford. You asking a lot from what
thirty six, thirty seven year old god us in year seventeen,
eighteen year in the league takes care of himself. Great
young man, doesn't have the championship yet, but has all
the accolades a player like him shit have at this point.
But you know, like I said, you just can't trust him.
(01:23:14):
It's still plenty of game left, but it just don't
let three for eleven from three Boston, ten for twenty six,
twenty but twenty why why twenty six threes?
Speaker 1 (01:23:26):
They're on pace to launch forty of them. My buddy
law Murray's on Twitter at law Murray the n U.
He covers the the Space, the Capitol End, Capitol U.
He covers the Clippers for the Athletic. He had a good,
pretty pressure tweet the Mariae out loud right now. He goes,
math isn't just the threes. If you get beat that
bad in the paint, that math adds up to same
(01:23:48):
with possessions. It's not a make or miss league. If
another team is getting up more shots than you based
off turnovers and offensive rebound, all the math counts, not
just the three point math. Yeah, it seems like Boston
just folks, which is too much on a three point math?
Speaker 2 (01:24:01):
Is it now of a twelve point deficit?
Speaker 4 (01:24:03):
Well, the best part of that tweet that I like,
and one of the description descriptions of basketball in the
NBA that I hate the most is it's a make
or miss league. I can't stand that because no, it's
not a make or miss league. You gotta rebound, you
gotta play d you gotta move the ball, you gotta
do you gotta have to do, you do other things.
It's not just about make some miss. If you go
(01:24:24):
back just to the WATS the conference finals, you know
stat I looked at this morning where Dallas is killing
Minnesota and the reason why they squeak out these these
two on game one game with two, they're killing them
in the paint. They are destroying Minnesota in the paint.
In Minnesota has the guys that should be more suitable
to be dominating in the paint and Anthony Towns and
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go Bear you're talking about Lively and then how you
put out the.
Speaker 1 (01:24:50):
Guard Gaffrey, Gafford.
Speaker 4 (01:24:52):
Gafford, Gafford, you're talking about Lively and Gafford, just two
guys that shouldn't be doing what they're doing. They're killing
them in the paint that I'm with him on that tweet.
Speaker 1 (01:25:01):
I love that. That whole make or miss league, No,
that's wrong. I mean, if you miss all your shots,
it's hard to win.
Speaker 3 (01:25:08):
Nah.
Speaker 4 (01:25:08):
Yeah, but it's it's not that simple, gay yea, to
make a miss league.
Speaker 1 (01:25:14):
It's not.
Speaker 2 (01:25:14):
It's not that simple though. It really is not, and
it never has been.
Speaker 4 (01:25:18):
There's a lot that going in that goes into whether
you make or whether you missed the shot.
Speaker 2 (01:25:23):
So it's not just a make or miss league. It's
everything that goes into that.
Speaker 1 (01:25:26):
Let's transition to the NFL that you wanted to discuss
the biggest Super Bowl or bus team that does not
name the Chiefs. Chiefs obviously trying to be the first
team in NFL history to go three uh three in
a row. Yeah, favorite show. It would be a dynasty, definitely,
I think right now, we don't have like NFL dynasties.
I think that's a three in a row to be
a dynasty. Yeah, I think you have errors. You think
(01:25:48):
NFL erarors like you have the Steerers era and dynasty
to you are the two thousand Patriots. I think that
was their era, the Patriots, and the Patriots had an
error and then that that of two honestly, yeah, two
of three, okay, so three in a row makes you
no no problem? Was ha me?
Speaker 4 (01:26:05):
Okay, I think two out of three gives you. Dallas
won three out of four. I think that gives you
dynasty level that that early nineties Dallas team to me
was a dynasty. But the three teams that popped off
my head. And when I go back and look at
how last year ended, what teams did this offseason? The
(01:26:26):
teams I looked at and thought, Okay, these are teams
that they gotta you gotta win it this year. This
is a you know year, super Bowl year are bust.
The first team for me was your favorite head coach,
the San Francisco forty nine ers. They they've got to
get back this year. They gotta go win it. Or
maybe I'm a year late. All my proclamation in my
(01:26:46):
in my prediction about questions being asked and decisions being
made about Shanahan's job. Maybe I'm a year late, but
they somehow like getting knocked out in the wild card
this year, those those talks are gonna start.
Speaker 1 (01:26:58):
To happen, gonna start to happen. That you've said it yourself,
the best job in pro sports is an NFL head
coach because it turns over fast and you still get
all your guaranteed money.
Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
My dream jobs be a fired head, a fired hell
game sorry, fired head, fired head coach.
Speaker 1 (01:27:14):
Uh, next one is guaranteed.
Speaker 4 (01:27:16):
Yeah, next team for me, AFC will beat the Baltimore Ravens.
Speaker 1 (01:27:20):
You've made, You've made moves, you.
Speaker 4 (01:27:22):
Brought guys in, you got two time MVP, and I'm
I'm a Lamar Jackson guy.
Speaker 1 (01:27:27):
But it's got at some point you you give you
give credit to all the negativity that comes if you're
just gonna continue to fall short, like you give credit
to people to be able to come and say, oh,
Mark Lamar can't win it, this guy can't wait it.
Speaker 4 (01:27:41):
You know you you give uh, you give credit to that.
So I think this is a year for them in
the last but not least. They won one six seven
years ago, got the one two years ago, had.
Speaker 2 (01:27:50):
A bad year last year.
Speaker 4 (01:27:52):
Your big coordinator leave is gonna hamper your offense type
of guy. We think that's what happened that second year
with the new coordinator in this to him, he was
banged up a lot last year. That would have been
The Philadelphia Eagles are one of my favorite plays.
Speaker 2 (01:28:04):
Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 1 (01:28:05):
I think this is a Super Bowl up bus year.
You can't even get to the NFC Championship game in
my opinion, if you're the Philadelphia Eagles and go, well,
we had a great year.
Speaker 2 (01:28:13):
God got to the NFC Championship.
Speaker 4 (01:28:15):
No, I think this is a year now that you
can you can you can you can kind of chalk
last year up. Like I said, coordinator was gone, had
some changes. People want Sarah Janni out. Martin believe he's
an adult in the room. His favorite line is you just.
Speaker 1 (01:28:27):
Gotta have got to do Yeah, somebody's gotta be actually
like that.
Speaker 4 (01:28:31):
Somebody's gotta be the adult in the room. A lot
of people don't like him. He don't bother as many people.
You don't bother me as.
Speaker 1 (01:28:37):
He bothers as many people of other that he bothers.
But I do think though.
Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
He go point to the time when the Eagle season
went down the toilet.
Speaker 4 (01:28:46):
It was after Kansas City walking into the walking into
the tunnel.
Speaker 1 (01:28:49):
I get it. Or you know, big what Dave me
an NFL coach that need to hold me back out? Yeah,
so that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (01:28:57):
To my point, there was a lot going on. I
expecting the bounce back this year. I know this has
made it. We're talking about this Memorial Day weekend. But
I do look at these three teams and say, hey,
you can't get to the conference championship and think that
was good enough this year. I think those three teams
are super Bowl are bust this year?
Speaker 3 (01:29:16):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (01:29:16):
The one I think is you said the Ravens the
Rams to me are super Bowl or bust for sure. Yeah.
They have not done it so many times, and it's
just it's just tough, man, because you're going up against
a guy like like this. There were a ton of
great teams in the Eastern Conference of the NBAS in
the nineties, we just don't know them as champions why
(01:29:38):
because of Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan won six of them things,
there's only ten years in a decade.
Speaker 4 (01:29:44):
And the two he did and a Western Conference team
won it, right, so when he came back, he went
right back to winning.
Speaker 2 (01:29:51):
So it's just it that it just makes it so
much harder.
Speaker 1 (01:29:54):
But Lamar jactually not being there, I forgot it now,
how you should have his own my head, hands up,
my bet. I apologize this, but the list of people
who have won MVP awards and never won a conference
championship is very very short. Like the guys who have
won MVP awards in the NFL and have not won
a conference is very very short. Lamar Jackson is the
(01:30:16):
prime guy because he is a you know what, I
think it's two two MVPs.
Speaker 4 (01:30:20):
Soamar Jackson is a two time MVP. Oh oh, I
know it is Barry two time MVP has one MVP. Okay,
I'm talking about two time MVPs that have not won
a conference championship. It's like Lamar Jackson and that's about it.
Speaker 1 (01:30:37):
I mean, there's a couple other guys on the list,
but Lamar is the only active player obviously to do so,
he's got to get over the hump, especially now because
the way he plays his style of play is one
that is not going to necessarily age as great as
it could. You know what I'm saying, it's a little tough.
Speaker 4 (01:30:54):
Uh what do you think about San Francisco. You're a guy,
You're big, this is your God, Channa Ander, you don't
think a man.
Speaker 1 (01:31:00):
You got it.
Speaker 2 (01:31:01):
You gotta get it done. You've been You've gotten.
Speaker 4 (01:31:03):
There twice and it'll come up shortboard to you don't
think this year again.
Speaker 1 (01:31:09):
So the thing is about Shanahan and the forty nine
ers is I think it's nineteen straight years of losing
team in the Super Bowl has not returned to the
Super Bowl. Yeah, all the way back to Night. I
think I believe it's nineteen straight years. So that makes
it a little bit harder to consider like that, that
concept because it's like you play all the same games
(01:31:29):
and then uh.
Speaker 4 (01:31:30):
No, two teams, two teams, two teams in like the
last thirty years that have lost and returns to Bills
and the Patriots, Pictures lost the Philly and then came back,
and the Bills lost, and then.
Speaker 2 (01:31:40):
The Bills and they they lost four times in a row,
to the.
Speaker 1 (01:31:42):
Point it's very difficult, of course to get back, especially
when you lose it, you lose a guy like Drake
Greenlaw in the middle of the game. Who knows when
he'll be back healthy, especially because he literally if the
last game, you know, it's it's tough man, it's.
Speaker 4 (01:31:57):
Turning on to the field to take the defensive you know,
all right defense? You know you And he was dude,
he would Yeah, he was causing all types of like
as I'd like to say the word rambunction. He was
causing all types of rambunction. And when you got a
guy like that, that's just being destructive. So basically, here
(01:32:17):
in May Themori of the Day weekend, we said, Samson's
gut a super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (01:32:22):
It kind of toward the right.
Speaker 4 (01:32:23):
I mean, the numbers don't bear We only going by
stats and statistics. What about Philly, you don't you don't
see this could be Sarah's got to be on a
hot seat, correct, So yeah, he's definitely in a hot seat.
Speaker 1 (01:32:34):
So they you gotta get it. They continue the slide
that to start to start this next season that they
had at the end of last season. I think that
seat is just warming up more and more and more.
Because one thing that's underrated is Bill Belichick is out there.
Speaker 4 (01:32:48):
Like you I and I'm on the n If he's
done in the NFL, you think there's a coaching job
still for him in the future in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (01:32:56):
Well, what you end up having is the conversation.
Speaker 1 (01:32:58):
Of like it was like, it's like we had the
same thing with Tom Brady before Tom Brady, when Tom
Brady retired, and now it's kind of it's kind of,
you know, calm down a bit now that he is
gonna be calling games for Fox and got roast he
has started his post NFL careers right right at the roast.
Speaker 6 (01:33:18):
Right.
Speaker 1 (01:33:19):
Well, that's that's the conversation. I know.
Speaker 2 (01:33:21):
I've just thought, uh, you.
Speaker 1 (01:33:24):
Had you had all these teams being like, man, we
got this guy at quarterback. Hello, tom Brady's available, Right,
we had this guy at quarterback. We can go get
We could go get Brady. It's gonna be the same
conversation without a way about Bill.
Speaker 2 (01:33:36):
Okay, Hey, listen, I'm gonna stand on what.
Speaker 4 (01:33:38):
I just think that if a team jobs come upen
every year, right, we get six to eight new jobs
every year, the trend is just going to younger. I
just don't think that he's aged out, and I hate
to say that, but it just it's it's in every
business in life sooner really maybe other than announcing, I
think announcing is the one job, the one of the
(01:33:58):
very few jobs you could do it to your damn
near eighty or did Marv Albert go over eighty years old?
If I'm not mistaken, wasn't it Marv Albert? Like eighty
one or eighty or something? So you can, but you can't.
You can't, you know, play pro sports that.
Speaker 2 (01:34:12):
Long you can. Brown is ninety and earlier. This playoff Hubie.
Speaker 4 (01:34:17):
Yeah, Hugee's my guy. I love listening to Huge Brown.
But I just it just it feels like to me,
in a year like what we have coming up, right,
the Chiefs are out of it, right, we know that
they're they're probably gonna be the Super Bowl again. I
just feel like there's gotta be teams there. They're looking like, hey,
(01:34:38):
we gotta go win this year. What about Dallas? Is
this the too or do we even care?
Speaker 1 (01:34:43):
Dallas? Just Dallas now, Martin, It's just I mean, it's
just a story with Dallas is Dallas because Dallas is
I mean, Dallas has won thirty six regular seas in
games the last three years, they're the most winning. It
seem to not be in the Super Bowl in the
last three years if you think about that, if you
think about it, but expect him to do it? Do
we expect That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (01:35:02):
We just because they got talent, right, they got guys.
Speaker 1 (01:35:05):
Well, I'll know this. I do know this. I have
been had terrible luck betting on who's going to be
the m v P. But the m v P the
next year is almost always the guy I bet on
last year. So Dak Prescott, you're up. Oh, you bet
on Dak last year. I bet on Dak last year
the m v P. Two years ago, I bet on
Lamar to win the m v P. So of course
(01:35:26):
Lamar went to last year that ended up second, you
know second, for they had had a decent, real good
shot up until that.
Speaker 2 (01:35:33):
Miam had Lamar that I did pick.
Speaker 4 (01:35:35):
I did pick right, I did have Lamar, And now
my Super Bowl picks missed that he had Eagles and
ravings I.
Speaker 1 (01:35:40):
Thought Lamar going into that contract year was going to
pull a Flaco on him. Yeah, but what you don't
know is you're about to pay me a whole lot
of money.
Speaker 2 (01:35:50):
The NFL MVP ended up missing half of the year.
Speaker 1 (01:35:53):
After a famous Thursday night football game where he signs
the signs the fans signed. The fans signed that said
pay him his money, he signed it, and then make
sure of the fan got to sign back. I thought
that was one of the funnier moments of two seasons ago.
But coming up next. Look forward to next season because
we have some NFL rookie camp reports coming back.
Speaker 2 (01:36:15):
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Speaker 1 (01:36:22):
Your line from the tyreck dot Com studios. You can
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Martin Weiss VJ at the Big Vanilla Funny Mary, real quick,
hold on some real quick, mar Mary. What you know
about this beat? This is from camp? I know, okay,
this is from to Come Home with Me. Join this yo.
This is him and Beanie Segull.
Speaker 2 (01:36:41):
You're welcome, right, thank you?
Speaker 1 (01:36:43):
Go on.
Speaker 4 (01:36:44):
I just had to get that problem. She she does it,
you know, I am. I care about the music. She
does a dope job with it.
Speaker 6 (01:36:50):
Man.
Speaker 4 (01:36:50):
Then I get and I get one of those I
get this track right here, come on down.
Speaker 2 (01:36:54):
This is how the album ended. This is the last
song on that album.
Speaker 1 (01:36:57):
All right, go ahead, Mark, got it all out? You
good to go.
Speaker 3 (01:37:01):
Yeah, we know you don't listen to music, Martin, but please,
we're having a music moment.
Speaker 1 (01:37:05):
Oh, that's right, that's right. I forgot, I forgot.
Speaker 6 (01:37:09):
You know.
Speaker 2 (01:37:09):
No, it's not a big music list, that's right.
Speaker 1 (01:37:12):
Five minutes America, five minutes on his whole year.
Speaker 2 (01:37:16):
He wasn't a five minutes.
Speaker 1 (01:37:17):
It's actually thirty two minutes.
Speaker 2 (01:37:19):
That's even your whole year.
Speaker 1 (01:37:21):
What do you listen to when you work out? Podcasts?
Speaker 2 (01:37:25):
How can you work out? Listen to somebody talk?
Speaker 5 (01:37:26):
He definitely don't listen to Albert King.
Speaker 1 (01:37:31):
Got him?
Speaker 2 (01:37:33):
Or the Olden Polyese podcast? Oh apparently not either.
Speaker 1 (01:37:36):
That or I'm watching the game. Okay today I'll watch
the Tigers game on the treadmill.
Speaker 2 (01:37:41):
You're such a villain. That's such a villainy thing to do.
Speaker 1 (01:37:45):
Sorry, man. I also think that if people wanted to
listen to music, they would just switch to Martin's a Secret.
You guys are just learning, he really is. You guys
are just learning this with this guy. You guys are
just learning. He's in Martin's the Secret. Listen to the
just the keys man is the secret villain? Yeah, oh wow.
Speaker 5 (01:38:04):
The start of his villain origin story.
Speaker 2 (01:38:07):
They already started.
Speaker 1 (01:38:08):
I'm being missed interpreted grossly here. No, no, mar you
hate on good things, you hate on you hate on
good things. I mean, it's the Conference finals, it's OTAs
we're talking about camera.
Speaker 4 (01:38:20):
Come on, come on, man. I just gave props to
the beat that was being in play. But you do
hate on good things?
Speaker 2 (01:38:24):
Was the eggs? Is the eggs of the thing you
said doesn't go with breakfast or eggs?
Speaker 1 (01:38:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:38:28):
And something he had to think about eggs one day.
Speaker 1 (01:38:30):
Anyway, I said, French fries, Oh, French fry, eggs of
there you go, food like eggs come, they come free
with everything.
Speaker 2 (01:38:38):
It's like, that's a valid take. I'll take that's that's
pretty valid. That's pretty valid.
Speaker 1 (01:38:43):
No French fries or French fries.
Speaker 2 (01:38:47):
But like, that's a very valid take.
Speaker 1 (01:38:48):
Its padly that one.
Speaker 5 (01:38:49):
I'll give them that.
Speaker 1 (01:38:51):
The Indiana Pacers zero for nine from three in the
third quarter, just cause anybody is interested in sports, two
for twelve for Boston right now, Indiana taking a seven
point lead into that. TJ McConnell with the ball that
with ten seconds left, that's a foul. Ref danlen Brown
fouls him and he does a little of course. You
know what, I would like to see the ratio of
(01:39:13):
spinning finger like players to challenges overturned. I'd like to
see the like. Somebody needs to do some stat on
that second spectrum Europe.
Speaker 4 (01:39:23):
Yeah, McConnell sells this though. I mean, if you watch this,
look why why why'd you leave your feet like he didn't.
He didn't bump you that, he didn't bump you that hard,
So I can see why he did the finger spinning
thing that is getting kind of got every time.
Speaker 1 (01:39:39):
I look at it. The bench and you know what
else too bugs me while we're on the subject. So
I'm a video producer in another day, like in another life, right,
and sometimes you'll be looking for shots of players just
like after they make a shot or something like that,
and you see them running back down the court.
Speaker 2 (01:39:57):
Ninety eight percent of the time now the player.
Speaker 1 (01:40:00):
Is complaining to the referee.
Speaker 2 (01:40:04):
It's never like like earlier this postseason, even if they score.
Speaker 1 (01:40:07):
We saw Anthony Edwards do that kind of flip his
palms up to the sky, kind of paying homage to
Michael Jordan. Right. You know, we don't see that anymore
throughout the league as in general, because everybody's so busy
bitching and moaning. Yeah, everybody's so busy calling the ref
a name that if we don't even get to see
like celebrations anymore are cool jog back. There's no more
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cool jog backs.
Speaker 4 (01:40:31):
Jordan's started the cool jog back, the thumbs up at
the elbows, Jordan, Jordan a cool jog back.
Speaker 1 (01:40:38):
Because everybody's over there yelling at Tony Brothers or James
Capers and Scott.
Speaker 2 (01:40:42):
Fafter and calling them everything but a child of guy.
Speaker 6 (01:40:44):
Guys.
Speaker 4 (01:40:44):
Guys will look at ref's and run back all the
way up court like talking to a ref trying to yeah,
it's it's it's out of hand.
Speaker 1 (01:40:52):
Man, it definitely is. It's ridiculous. That's the league. What's
also ridiculous the Celtics have are trailing in this game
right now.
Speaker 4 (01:41:00):
It is ridiculous, man, it is ridiculous. But it's only
I believe, a seven point game right now. So Indiana
going into the fourth, keep doing what you've been doing.
But the sult six, as we said, can hit you
with these spurts. If some threes more start to go down,
which I don't even know why I'm saying. I'm sorry, America,
I did not mean that, because at one point they
were ten of twenty six. They're launched enough damn threes,
(01:41:20):
and now whether they can make more of them will
be another thing. Real quick shout out thank you, right
side up five thousand on Twitter just said Rambunction is
from Buster Rohm scenario.
Speaker 5 (01:41:33):
Ha.
Speaker 1 (01:41:33):
I love my fans, man, I love fans of the
Martin and VJ Show. But with Boston, man, you know what, Martin,
They're gonna make a push. I think they'll make this
game tight. Well, you said the spread was seven at
Boston seven and a half, right, yep, Boston seven and
ane Okay, Boston seven and a half.
Speaker 2 (01:41:45):
I say they at one point get this cut down.
Speaker 4 (01:41:48):
I say to about four, five, maybe three, they will
cut down two because at some point, right, you know,
Indiana can't keep doing this right, At some point, not
having your best guy has to mean something, and maybe
you can get away with it for three quarters, but
in the money quarter, fourth quarters, the money quarter in football.
Back in the day, we used to put up the
fourth fingers to symbolize the fourth quarter. We ready to
(01:42:11):
get going for the fourth quarter, but yeah, I think
they will make a dentt until this lead.
Speaker 2 (01:42:16):
And then we'll see what Indiana has been there.
Speaker 1 (01:42:18):
Steve, the Saga will have someone on this game and
just everything else going on in the world of sports. Steve,
you're up.
Speaker 3 (01:42:23):
It is the end of three quarters at Indiana and
the Pacers, without the injured Tyrese Haliburton, are leading the
Celtics ninety to eighty one going to the fourth. Haliburton,
with his strained hamstring out tonight at least he left
in the third quarter last game. For the moment, the
Pacers are down two games to none two top seeded
Boston in this Eastern Conference Finals. Andrew Nemhard with twenty
(01:42:44):
three points, eight assists, just one turnover for the Pacers.
He's made three to three pointers. The rest of his
team is zero for twelve from long distance, but it's
still an Indiana lead. In fact, the Pacers were up
eighteen late in the first half. Jason Tatum with twenty
nine points for Boston. Dallas leads the Western Conference Finals
two games to none, and we'll be hosting Minnesota in
(01:43:04):
Game three on Sunday night. In the WNBA rookie Caitlin
Clark and her Indiana Fever are trailing at defending champion
in Las Vegas at the end of three aces seventy
two fifty six in the lead. Clark two of eight
shooting eight points, five rebounds, five assists, and she has
five more turnovers to the NHL. Game two of the
(01:43:25):
West Final at Dallas, and the Stars are in the
lead to one over Edmonton five minutes to go. Each
team scored in the first five minutes of this game.
It stayed one to one for a while. Dallas took
the lead early in the third. It's now late third
period two to one, Stars trying to even up the
West Final at a game apiece. In the East, the
number one New York Rangers play at Florida tomorrow. That
(01:43:46):
series tied at a game apiece. Tennis is French Open
starts tomorrow. NASCAR's Coca Cola six hundred is Sunday Night
on Fox TV. Ty Gibbs earned his first career poll.
The Indy five hundred is scheduled for tomorrow. Thunderstorms are
expected there. In fact, storms expected in Cincinnati as well,
so the start time has been moved up to Sunday
at noon Eastern time as they go for a sweep
(01:44:07):
of the Dodgers. Cincinnati beat La tonight three to one.
In fact, the Dodger bullpen got toasted last night and
the problem again tonight. Runners in scoring position not good.
Rocker Buehler gave up a couple early home runs and
took the loss three one Cincinnati. The other game on
Fox TV nationally, Saint Louis won it's fourth straight beat
the rival Cubs, holding on seven to six. Kansas City
(01:44:29):
in eleven innings won at Tampa Bay seven to four.
The Royals have won eight games in a row. Minnesota
with a three run home er bottom of the eighth
beat Texas five to three. Rangers have lost six straight.
Giants have won four in a row. They won in
ten innings at the Mets seven to two. Mets offense
with runners in scoring position zero for thirteen. And there
was baseball in Cooperstown, New York. Sold out Doubleday Field,
(01:44:52):
the little field there near the Baseball Hall of Fame.
They had the East West Classic. That is former players.
Former players over fifty All Star selections total, among them
representing the old Negro League uniforms throwbacks wool Jerseys taking
the field for a six inning exhibition. Curtis Granderson hit
(01:45:14):
a home run in this one. Even Money Davis, little
League World Series star from a decade ago, got into
the game as a defensive replacement and caught a line
drive in center field to end one of the innings.
Edwin Jackson took the mound. At one point we had
fourteen Hall of Famers there. Adam Jones won the pregame
home run derby over Prince Fielder and eventually the six
(01:45:35):
inning game went to the East five to four. Ryan
Howard was player of the game in Cooperstown today with
a go ahead, three run homer in the fifth.
Speaker 1 (01:45:43):
Back to you that was just brought to you by
two thousand and six. Huh.
Speaker 3 (01:45:50):
Didn't expect Willie Mays to be on the field here,
guys for more recent.
Speaker 1 (01:45:55):
I know, but it's just some of those names. Prince Field,
I didn't know Princefield could even play Baseballity war, you know,
Money Davis, Adam Jones, Ryan Howard was there.
Speaker 4 (01:46:04):
Wow, cc Money Davis, Man, what a run that was
for her in a Little League World Series.
Speaker 1 (01:46:10):
That was a cool sports story. Shortly after the Show
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of the air. The Pacers right now with a seven
point lead. We're all over this one as Andrew Demhar
(01:46:32):
just misses a layup kind of a floater. But we'll
keep you updated there as well as with the Caitlin
Clark Indiana Fever trying to get their second win of
the year against the Vegas Aces, who had just opened
up an eighteen point lead early in the fourth quarter.
For both of those matchups. But VJA, you wanted to
talk a little bit about the OTAs and some of
these camps. Where do you want to dive in? First?
Speaker 2 (01:46:53):
First man, just what I was hearing and reading about
bo Nicks.
Speaker 4 (01:46:56):
I know that was the pick that most people, including
myself thought. It felt like the Broncos they needed a quarterback.
You know where we know they have quarterback guru Sean Payton.
We knew he was gonna try to move up. They
tried to move up. That's why Minnesota moved up one
more spot. They tried to jump ahead of them to
possibly grab JJ, because that's everybody knew, that's who Minnesota
(01:47:17):
was getting. But to hear that this is Sean Payton
has already announced this as a.
Speaker 1 (01:47:22):
Three quarterback race. So all off see and that's what
I like.
Speaker 4 (01:47:26):
Let these guys go compete for. Let let Caleb go
compete for. Don't name Caleb the starter, even though most
of us feel Caleb is. I get it, but just
as a mind thing, let him go compete for Sam.
In Minnesota with JJ and Sam Donald, people were like, well,
he could sit.
Speaker 2 (01:47:43):
Behind Sam Man, sit behind Sam Donald.
Speaker 4 (01:47:46):
Get out of here, dude, you have seven years, eight
years to prove your damn self. Step aside, home boy.
The rookies in the building, they put the ball in
my hand.
Speaker 1 (01:47:53):
Let's go.
Speaker 4 (01:47:55):
But the stories you're hearing about bo Knicks and the
way Sean Payton was praising him was kind of eye
opening in surprising. But it was a pick that I
still thought was, Okay, we got to take who's left.
But when you do, put the tape on and you
watch that kid, and you just start to try to
do comparisons.
Speaker 2 (01:48:11):
I'm not calling him Drew Brees.
Speaker 4 (01:48:13):
But when you see his arm talent, you see his height,
and he's had plenty of college play. He played for
thirty seven years in college. He's got a lot of experience.
He's not gonna need to grow up. The guy's a
grown man already. I think, honestly, Sean Payne might be
able to do something with this kid. And then the
story is about Caleb kind of having up and down practice,
has turned the ball over throwing picks, but specifically in
(01:48:37):
the red zone. The reason why that stuck out to me,
Martin is because he has been tabbed that when things
break down, he can maneuver, he can run around, he
can make a play, he could do the Mahomes magic thing.
But in the red zone in the NFL, you have
to be decisive, make decisions and let the ball go
because the defensive part of the field is small and shorter.
But they set up Veteran pulled him aside and talked
(01:48:59):
them up up, and that made me wonder whether you
know what he down in practice? Broad I know we've
seen the guy run into the stands and jump into
his family's arms and and and you know, tear it up.
Speaker 2 (01:49:08):
But hopefully that's not you know what we're seeing already.
It can't and and uh and the I'm hoping.
Speaker 1 (01:49:16):
So I don't take much stock into any of this, Okay,
I know you don't.
Speaker 2 (01:49:21):
I love it though I love ots.
Speaker 1 (01:49:22):
It's just you just.
Speaker 2 (01:49:24):
Love anything that has football attached to it. I didn't
do the UFL.
Speaker 1 (01:49:28):
I tried, Okay, yeah, man, but I'll try and get
take too. You just love anything that has the NFL
attached to it.
Speaker 4 (01:49:37):
I do because this is because this is this is
the part of the year where things will happen. Camaraderie
is built to whether you're going to be happy or
pissed off as a fan come January. It's not a
lot of it, of course, is September to December and
in the regular season, but that have.
Speaker 2 (01:49:54):
No literally literally have to people here won't be on
the team.
Speaker 4 (01:50:01):
Okay, that's fine, but there are a lot of guys
that are there that will help you build your what
your team is gonna end up being.
Speaker 1 (01:50:07):
It starts to it starts these days.
Speaker 4 (01:50:10):
Who's first, who's last to league, who's staying late for reps,
who's getting more push ups here? Who's running more sprints.
It starts, and it trusts me bro it starts out.
That's why I get excited about it. And then also
to good word and good notes about my man JJ
coming out of Minnesota. Also to love his command, teammate,
the love his command, love the way he's you know,
handle himself, walking the building, coaching staff, the whole nine.
(01:50:30):
Those are the three players that a quarterbacks I kind
of looked at was like, Okay, this is cool stuff
to kind of here, let's see where it goes. The
different thing though, the fact that Shawn's like, hey, all
three guys, they're looking good, but this is open.
Speaker 1 (01:50:41):
I do like that. It tells me both Nick is
probably gonna end up being his startic. But it's just whoever,
your starter isn't made. I mean, it can't matter less
like it does. It really doesn't. You should be spreading
the reps around in OTAs because it's practice, it's all.
It's spring training for football's good stuff, like it's free
training for football. Like you know, I don't need to
(01:51:01):
see Justin Verlander start every fifth day in spring training,
right because I know that when the season time comes,
he'll be ready to go. He'll be ready to st Yeah,
base basebally, I don't small than football are different though,
but that's what this is. It's spring training. I don't
need to see lebron and Anthony Davis in the in
the first you know, in the first practice of the
(01:51:21):
Lakerscyat going for twenty five apiece and it was seven blocks,
Like it doesn't matter like it it matters for some
like if you had told me that looked like boat Nicks,
like I'll tell you this, I'll never forget when speaking
of Broncos quarterbacks, when von Miller said that Drew Locke
had some of the best incompletions you had ever seen,
because what that meant to me was there was quite
(01:51:42):
literally nothing to compliment, right, Yeah, I think if you're
in that boat, then then you're in bad shape. But
as long as everything is kind of like, yeah, he's progressing,
he's getting better, then I figured they're progressing and pick
and getting better.
Speaker 4 (01:51:54):
You know what OCA is are like for me, it's
like fried chicken, right. You much rather have Grandma Sunday
after church fried chicken, right, But you take some KFC
on the Wednesday night if it's hot and fresh and
it just came out the fryar. You take some Popeye
to take you take a three piece pie. You don't
normally go to pop Peye, but you take a three
piece pop out on a Wednesday night with a biscuit,
you know, and maybe the add on shrink they got that.
Speaker 2 (01:52:16):
You'll take that.
Speaker 1 (01:52:17):
This is what it is. I saw this video yesterday
on Twitter. It was a guy and I don't know
how true now I've raised my eyebrow on any of
these videos, but it was a guy. He said he
was in jail for seventeen years and he had a
Big Mac for the first time in seventeen years, and
he ate the Big Mac, and he was just the
look on his face was just like he was about
to cry. It was so good, Like the look on
(01:52:38):
his face was about to cry. It was so good.
Like it's a big Mac the best burger you can
get in America. Of course not right. It's probably not
the best burger you can get on the street that
McDonald's is on. Yeah, you probably get a better burger
on that same street. But if you've been in jail
for seventeen years, that big Man, you've been eating jail
food for seventeen years. That big Mac probably tastes like
the most amazing thing of all time. You don't know
why everybody's eating a big Mac. And then you're realize that,
(01:53:00):
wait a minute, I could go anywhere and get a burger.
I could go, I could go to the you know,
the Mels Burger shack down the street, and it's five
times better than the big Mac was righter. You realize,
if you ate seventeen big Macs, you're gonna die for
my heart ATTACKA artery is a clog, that's what it is.
You've been in jail for seventeen years and this is
your first taste, your first sniff of a big mac.
Speaker 4 (01:53:21):
So is this what my first sniff of football? And
that's why exactly it's so delicious.
Speaker 2 (01:53:25):
To me right now?
Speaker 4 (01:53:26):
Except yeah, exactly, that's why huyn nowity KFC. On a
Wednesday night, man, three pieces those nuggets are delicious.
Speaker 1 (01:53:32):
I have no business.
Speaker 2 (01:53:33):
Eating that food, but it's good, and I'll take it.
Speaker 4 (01:53:35):
If I can't get Grandma's Southern fried chicken on the
Sunday after church, which is the NFL season, right's the season.
You will take some Popeye's on a Tuesday night. But
if I showed them to your crip and knocked on
the doors like yo, I was in the area, B
and I just left Popeyes up the street.
Speaker 1 (01:53:50):
Here.
Speaker 4 (01:53:50):
This is for you and your girl. You're gonna do Nah,
I'm good, I hate I'm not gonna eat that.
Speaker 2 (01:53:54):
Throw it away.
Speaker 1 (01:53:54):
No, you would be like, even if you didn't want it,
you would ask her.
Speaker 4 (01:53:56):
Hey, VJ dropped off some popas she might Oh yeah,
I mean, and neither one of us going for I
no chicken, So yeah, I'll take this.
Speaker 1 (01:54:03):
Pope's right now, the Boss and Celtics have made this
thing tight. Eight minutes left, just about in the fourth quarter,
Pacers with a three point lead, ninety three to ninety eleven.
More on that and some of the other Conference Finals
games coming up next. Martin VJ, Fox Sports Radio Martin
and VJ coming to your Life from the Tirack dot
Com studios. Just wrapping it up here on a three
(01:54:24):
hour show erin Torres and Jason Martin will be up
right now. They're warming up in the bullpen. But right now,
I mean, I've never seen this before. Guys.
Speaker 2 (01:54:32):
Most of the time, just to take you behind the
scenes a little bit. Most of them. I'm the first
one with the microphone on.
Speaker 1 (01:54:37):
VJ hopped up, turned on the microphone, grabbed his headphones.
He said, I'm ready to go for this one. He
wants to talk about the NHL Conference Finals.
Speaker 4 (01:54:45):
Yes, I do, man, because I love my playoff hockey,
and some fans out there due too. Once we started
getting asked, I started getting asked on Twitter, Hey, would
you guys talk more hockey.
Speaker 2 (01:54:53):
I'm like, dude, I watch hockey.
Speaker 4 (01:54:54):
Brandon, our former producer who's down to diego back home
doing great things at his new position. There was a
big hockey guy. But yes, we are in the conference finals.
The Dallas Stars just evened up to the Western Conference
Finals against the Edmonds and Oilers. I had the pleasure
of covering them for a few games here playing the
Kings in LA. Got a chance to see that team
up close and personal. We all know about mcdavin dry
(01:55:15):
style and and Evander Kaine and it just and Burrow,
just all the guys Broussard, all the guys that they
have that can score and put the and put the
net the puck in the net with the precision that
they play with. This Dallas Stars are the bigger, faster
team been the number one team in the Western Conference
all year long. This is their second straight Western Conference Finals,
(01:55:38):
so they're trying to get back to be able to
fight for Lord Stanley that it's evened up at one
one great series. If you guys aren't watching, I tell
people this all the time.
Speaker 2 (01:55:48):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (01:55:48):
I love sports.
Speaker 2 (01:55:49):
I'm lamar makes fun of me because I watched curly,
like I watch archery.
Speaker 1 (01:55:53):
I watched Royd. I just said, doing a commercial.
Speaker 4 (01:55:54):
Break, the summer games need to hurry up and get here, okay,
because I need to watch all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:56:00):
I can't wait for the speedwalking final. Oh my, Now
that I don't watch.
Speaker 4 (01:56:03):
But I did get into archery because there is a
real system to how you get your points.
Speaker 1 (01:56:09):
It's not just shoot bulls. I shoot bulls. I shoot bulls.
Speaker 2 (01:56:11):
I shit.
Speaker 4 (01:56:12):
You have to add your points up and sometimes you gotta,
you know, actually get your arrow close to another arrow.
It's like curling. You gotta sometimes knock another stone owt.
I just think all that stuff is kind of interesting.
But playoff hockey, guys, it's one of the greatest things going,
especially overtime playoff hockey, because next goal wins and goals
(01:56:32):
come out of nowhere. Guys shoot pucks on purpose to
get blocked, hoping that the guy your teammate coming from
the backside gets the rebound.
Speaker 2 (01:56:40):
Like it's just so integral. I love it. On the
Eastern Conference side one one.
Speaker 1 (01:56:45):
My Rangers had to be scared last night one in
overtime against the Florida Panthers, both over fifty win teams
this year.
Speaker 4 (01:56:53):
Rangers are fifty four. They had fifty three NS, so
we have the top four teams in my opinion. Guys
in the Hockey Conference Finals into a game three down
in Florida, Rangers trying to go up to one. They
won the President's Cup this year, which goes to the
best regular season team. Last time they did that was
in nineteen ninety four, and the last time that happened
in nineteen ninety four.
Speaker 2 (01:57:12):
What's give me what happened in nineteen ninety four?
Speaker 4 (01:57:14):
The last time that they wasted Lord steadily with Mark
Messier and Richter and Adam Graves and all those guys
that I fell in love with and maybe the ravee
fan am. To day, if you're not watching hockey, I'm
trying to get Martin over here hype because it's really
good sports guys, it's physical. There's no flopping, it's no
food gayziness, there's no flip flaming fluff. Hockey is real
(01:57:35):
and guys play hardcore and play up. There was a
hit in the game last night on the Rangers that
most people would say, yeah, he went for his head,
he went for but they're rules. No, the body was
kind of the target. Yeah, the shoulder did get some head.
Speaker 1 (01:57:51):
But at the end of the day, like this is
what in the NBA that had been Yeah, in the
NBA that would have been reviewed hit to the head.
It just it's a tougher game. They are wearing helmets.
Speaker 4 (01:58:03):
And high Oh yeah, those helmets are Those helmets are nothing, bro,
those helmets are nothing.
Speaker 2 (01:58:07):
Now there's literally no helmet in them. Yeah yeah, yoh no,
that's why they kind of pretend.
Speaker 4 (01:58:11):
Yeah no, no, those helmets, those helmets are nothing in hockey. Man,
those things stop kind of high. They got that little
flimsy strap just to buckle it on. Some guys don't
even have a shield on it. It's just a rule
that they have to wear a Trust me, most hockey
guys would probably say they much rather not play anyway. Guys,
my little soliloquy here on the NHL playoffs. Tune into
a guy tomorrow Game three between the Rangers and the
(01:58:33):
Florida Panthers in the game for Memorial Day for game
three excuse me three up at Edmonton between the Edmonton
Oilers and the Dallas Stars to see who will fight
for Lord.
Speaker 2 (01:58:44):
Stanley coming up in the NHL Stanley Cup Finals.
Speaker 1 (01:58:47):
There you go, thank you. Brother Patrick said in my ear,
there's no way that speedwalking is real, not only speedwalking real. Yeah,
but I watched the movie on Netflix the other day,
probably during a playoff hockey game.
Speaker 5 (01:59:00):
Way.
Speaker 1 (01:59:01):
It's called Queen Pins, all right, And what's the name
of the actress, Dak Shepherd's wife, Uh, Chris Kristen Bell.
Chris Bell. Yeah, Christian Bell plays a Olympic speedwalker gold
medalist who ended up stealing coupons from like all the
major manufacturers, and I say, ended up making like hundreds
(01:59:22):
of thousands of dollars selling stolen coupons and ended up
getting off like basically like no, like you would think
like federal crimes. I just tole like all types of coopo.
It was pretty I would I can't go so far
to say it was a good movie, but it was
an entertaining what I call a laundry movie.
Speaker 2 (01:59:37):
Speed Walking don't pay man, They don't make no speed walkers.
Speaker 1 (01:59:40):
Walking, Yeah, steal walking.
Speaker 4 (01:59:41):
At this point, they're getting listen, they're putting video games
in the Olympics, guys. So if you're mad at speed Walker,
how about somebody just sitting on his ass hitting buttons.
Speaker 2 (01:59:51):
I mean that's gonna be. You can get a gold
medal for.
Speaker 1 (01:59:55):
A Mario bash or I don't know, Mario party.
Speaker 2 (01:59:57):
Yeah, Mario Olympic Call of Duty. Yeah, for that, that would.
Speaker 1 (02:00:02):
I ain't I ain't gonna front though, I would play
at FIFA if there was like an Olympic tournament for
FIFA Olympics.
Speaker 4 (02:00:10):
Oh my god, Well, Matt, it's got too many glitches.
I've been boycott Madden for a while, so i haven't
played Madden. There is a six point game and the
Eastern Conference finals going on. If you guys still care
about that, I'll come now. It's a three point game.
Jayson Tatum hits a three with one minute and thirty
seven seconds left in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1 (02:00:25):
One O nine Indiana one, Come on show, so you
truly are then Andrew Nemhard has thirty that right, yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:00:32):
As Tatum sit with thirty six. Tatum's having a big night,
but it's almost probably gonna go, you know, away to
a loss.
Speaker 1 (02:00:38):
Nevhar's going to the free throw line now after he
just got foul trying to shoot a layup again. A
three point lead for the Indiana Pacers, one twenty sixth left.
It'd be wild to see a second overtime game. But
I'm sure that Aeron Torres and Jason Martin will be
all over this game and just a little bit, we'll
be back soon. God bless guys.
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