Mike Harmon and Ryan Hollins Talk NBA Game 7s, SGA Late Foul, Scottie Scheffler & More!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 1 (00:30):
Lots of things to be decided today.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
We've got a PGA Championship, We've got the English Premier
League with a couple of teams battling up top. Yeah,
you get to watch Early Holland run around. We've got
two count up, two game seven's, and if not for
a late foul call, maybe you wouldn't have had a third.
But that goes the other way. We'll get into all
of it as we traverse the morning universe this morning.

(00:54):
Can't do it alone. I got Ryan Hollins, as he said,
ten years in the league. Find them on Twitter at
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Speaker 3 (01:01):
What's going on? Ryan? What's going on? Brother? How you doing?

Speaker 2 (01:03):
I heard you up late night speaking excellence into microphones
and the airwaves nationwide and talking about a little bit
of Game six as we come down to it, just
crazy time in the NBA and a play that will
resonate for quite a while of what it could have,

(01:25):
should as and might have been. Don't blow seventeen point
leads is really what it comes down to.

Speaker 4 (01:32):
Hey, you know what, hats off to Oka See and
you like to say they blew the lead, but I
don't think you can. You know, in today's NBA, with
all the three point shooting, all this speed, you know,
the lack of size. What you're gonna get is the
inconsistent season's coin. So you can't be upset when there's

(01:56):
no lead. That's safe. And I think in the first
half when they hit five threes, okay see to close
the close the half, and that put them ahead in
just as easily on the road. I don't think they
just they gave anything up. I think Dallas just walked
them down. And I mean, this is one of the
better ball games I've seen in a long time.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
Well it's the fun part of it, right, is that
you know, one of the lamentations of this playoff run
has been the number of let's just throw in the
towel and see you next time kind of games, right,
and this was one where you know, Dallas, they're at home,
so you don't expect a give up. But when it

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gets to seventeen, looking around, going wow, okay, this one's
getting out a hand. But to your point, three point
shot can shoot you back in. So for all those
teams that did have give up games along the playoff run,
I know, we get extra TV time, but a reality
is that you can get yourself back into a game
pretty fast. But for the Thunder, you know, it's the

(02:55):
question of whether they've gotten there too early, right in
the build of a lot of young players and certainly
a plethora, a plethora of draft picks down the road.
I mean, I kept hearing that all the first and
second round picks total that they'll have over these next
six to seven drafts, and the curiosity of what it becomes.

(03:15):
But for Dallas, I mean, it's one of those that
shapes and helps reshape some of the narratives. When we
start talking about guys like Kyrie Irving and Luka Doncic,
there's been so much noise about both of their careers.
I mean, Kyrie, some of it brought on himself, with
Luca conditioning this that the other and can he get
them over? And well they advance to at least one

(03:38):
more round and stave off the having to go back
and playing a game seven.

Speaker 4 (03:43):
Yeah, and I think for Dallas, you know, make no mistake,
this was a mus Wayne. You know you just noted
Oklahoma City. They're playing with house money, they're young, you
got cap space, and you're right. They are not supposed
to be this good. They're not supposed to be in
this situation. That'sat's out to Mark daganol Shay, Gilgs, Alexander

(04:05):
and just culture. When you create culture, you draft well.
Hats out to Sam Presti and you know you put
your guys in situations where they can win. Man, good
things are happening over there in ok See, So you
gotta be happy. You got to give nothing but respect
to their guys.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
All right, So let's go back to the uh the play,
it ends up getting challenged, Luca driving gets kind of
fumbled up with a double team and the ball skirts free.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
Well, here it comes Luca.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
He's trapped along the upside with ten now against Dort
one on one driving right, backing down pat the chair,
pols spaiallyst I've lost the ball, got it to Washington.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
Forces out up, put.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
Down, big got down.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
He got down by Jildas Alexander p two and a
half seconds to go.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
You what a terrible file there.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
Oh my goodness, we're.

Speaker 4 (04:55):
Going to know where the foul occurred on the three
point shot.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
The challenge is.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
Cloths and there you have it.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
There's the call, and I mean immediately as he's going up,
it's like, all right, does he get the the arms
like clear as day? And you hear it in the
call the ball fumbled into the court. I like the
he got it to Washington. Eh, all right, we'll count
it as a pass. Doesn't have to be pretty ryan
as long as against a guy that's still in the
same color uniform. Uh, it's all fine and good, but uh,

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you get the challenge on the call. You know, as
you watched it it go up. Any question in your
mind that they were going to call a file on
that and that it would be upheld?

Speaker 3 (05:37):
You know what?

Speaker 4 (05:38):
It was the right call and normally, man, it was
such a smooth game, and there there was Shay shouldn't
have got jumped off the ground. But what you got
to realize is I think, PJ, what did he get?
What are two threes before that?

Speaker 1 (05:53):
Yeah, so starting to heat up a bit.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
Yeah, So you've been quiet all game, scoreless, foul trouble.
Yet five in the game, sat a bunch and then
scored nine, including those free throws at the.

Speaker 4 (06:04):
End exactly, So the mindset and you're starting to see
Luca was getting in the lane and kicking out. He
had made that play. So I don't think it's surprising
that he made the play. I think seeing how effective
it was, you got to have a lot of faith
in Dallas.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
We've seen Luca beat you.

Speaker 4 (06:21):
We've seen Kyrie obviously beat you, but it was PJ.
Washington and Derreck Jones Junior that were the heroes. And
that's the trust. And you know, that's something we've seen
from the Nuggets. We've seen Michael Porter Junior beat you.
We've seen Aaron Gordon beat you. We've seen those guys
step up in major ways. Kentavious, Kywell Pope had hit

(06:43):
huge shots. But now when your team starts doing that
and in game seven, you have that type of trust,
that's the scary part. So, yes, it was the right call.
You don't get off your feet on a shooter. But
it was tough because now you're saying pick your poison,
and it ended up being poisoned.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
PJ.

Speaker 4 (07:03):
Washington and Derek Jones Jr. Mano Scott's were on fire.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
Jones finishing with twenty two, Washington, as I said, all
nine of his points coming in the fourth quarter as
they overcome the seventeen point third quarter deficit, and it
was as high for OKC as nine in the fourth.
Let's hear from Shay Gilders Alexander talking about the play
the fall and while his coach, as much as he
wanted to challenge it, eh Sga kind of tells him,

(07:30):
I gotten me.

Speaker 5 (07:32):
We talk about it all your other little things that
go into winning games and being disciplined, and it sucks. Obviously,
if I had the moment back, I went to fiut
him and just let him make her mister shot. But yeah,
the basketball, you want some of you loose, some you
made mistakes.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
There, you go, well, let him make or miss it, right,
But in the moment, being competitive, trying to get to
make your defensive play because as we know, I think
Ryan the narrative this off this postseason, I should say,
has been more about guys playing defense that I think
I've heard in a long time in the NBA.

Speaker 3 (08:07):
Well, you've had to. And you know, here's the thing.

Speaker 4 (08:12):
Steph Curry and the Golden State Warriors, they changed the
NBA the way that they played. Well, we'll probably never
play basketball again the same way. And it was for
the good. You know, the spacing in NBA basketball is there.
But the reality is now when you're going back and
you're checking these things out, the big guy is coming back.

(08:32):
The IQ is coming back into basketball. Because when Curry
was so good, the rest of the NBA said, we
can't keep up scrub our team.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
We're going young. We're gonna kind of figure this out.

Speaker 4 (08:45):
And now with Curry, you know, getting older, the Warriors
not being the Warriors, the three ball being included into
the NBA, what you're seeing is the traditional point guard
is back. Teams with those traditional point guards are winning.
I will count Joker as a point guard because he
in some ways, he runs the offense, he gets big assists,
everything's fluid. Will count him as a point guard. That's

(09:06):
what today's NBA is. But even bigger size is coming back.
So you have all these teams that just don't go
young and scrap it, and they're in situations where they
got to win now. And you know, for Dallas they
have to win and we've seen that. So I think
in some weird way, I don't know if you agree
with this, Mike, it was a win for both sides.

(09:27):
I think Oklahoma City has nothing to be upset about.
There far far ahead of schedule. And in terms of Dallas,
you know, it was a must win for them and
they end up going on to advance. But I mean, boy,
was that close, and you saw him acknowledge that in
their postgame press or that, well this is trust me,
this was no kwalk.

Speaker 3 (09:44):
You got to take your hats off to those kids
over there.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
Well, it's the beauty. The margins are thinner.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
And I think for the NBA as a whole, you know,
to talk about the health of a league, how many
years did we just pencil in for squads and just say,
all right, the winner's coming out of that, right, two
or three teams on the Western Conference, with obviously Golden
State being at the top of the list, and then
on the other side it was Lebron James and the

(10:10):
Cavaliers or the Heat depending on where he was.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
Right, that's it and.

Speaker 4 (10:17):
Warriors Cavaliers. How many finals did you get? Warriors Cavaliers?

Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Right, I mean it's just that thing. It's like you
were already penciling it in. It's like, all right, we'll
enjoy the regular season, but we know, come the postseason.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
Here we are right.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
The Heat go to four straight Eastern Conference finals, the
Warriors have the run that they did, and time and
time again we're seeing these matchups to where as a product, look,
we still love the game in individual games, even if
you think you know the presumed outcome, right when we
watch college football games knowing where the heavyweights are and

(10:51):
college buckets and just go on down sport by sport,
right expectations of winning. But there's something to be said
for hey, there's more drama in the postseason. And and
it's something Smith and I had talked a lot about
heading down the stretch in the Western Conference, of the
depth that you had in fact, you know, going down
into the play in round with some of the all
time legends, did you think their teams were good enough

(11:12):
to make full runs?

Speaker 3 (11:14):
No?

Speaker 2 (11:14):
But if you know the ball bounces the right way,
plus health, you've got an opportunity to run. Because notice
how I've been pushing the injury part off to the
side and trying to be Joe positive on a Sunday
morning here in terms of the great basketball that we
have seen. But what it's done is it's given us
rise to the thunder. It's given us rise to what
we'll see later tonight with the Tea Wolves and what

(11:36):
they're all about. Whatever you think of the Nicks and
the style of play. Here they are in a game
seven against Indiana. I always have to pause because I
want to say Indianapolis. It just rolls off the tongue, right,
because we're not used to talking about the Pacers. It's
usually about the Indianapolis Colts. So here we are. But
it's just that idea that we have more teams that

(11:58):
are viable, more superstars that the league is going to
be able to showcase. And that's not even including you know,
the early exits that we had from what happened with
the Pelicans or Memphis with John Morant hurt and all that,
and you know the expectations that next year they're in
the mix. Whatever happens with Brandon ingram aside there for

(12:19):
New Orleans, but just the idea of the depth in
the conference. All right, on that side everything, the kids
are all right and it's growing nice, and the league
has to be happy there in the Eastern Conference. You're
hoping for more of the same, and really you're just
trying to get the basketball gods to give you full
seasons of health from those superstars who unfortunately couldn't make

(12:40):
the postseason tournament.

Speaker 4 (12:42):
Yeah, yeah, I know you're right about that, man, But
I think even bigger in harmony what you just said
is that, you know, the league has to be excited
and just the NBA because this year you're going to
crown a champion that hadn't been there before. This is
gonna be like a special moment, like you know, with

(13:02):
all due respect, you know, Lebron James kept going, you know,
to the final Steph Curry kept going. There was nothing
you were gonna do to shape the legacy of a
Lebron James. There was nothing that was gonna add or
make or take from Steph Curry's legacy. After a certain point,
someone's legacy is gonna get built. If you're Yo Kic,
he's gonna be even more so in those all time

(13:24):
great you know conversations. If he gets his second championship,
you look over at any of these other young teams,
this is gonna be a first. If this is Anthony Edwards,
I mean, we're gonna they're gonna go crazy for him.
If this ends up being Anthony Edwards time, and likewise
with any of the other stars, we're gonna have some
first So I think this is really cool. And again,

(13:46):
this is not just the same old NBA, the same
old guys in the same situation.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
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as we look at the fallout from last night, right,
we talked down the positivity of where we're at in
the league, what we have for a really bright future
for Oklahoma City, for Dallas. You know, there's been narratives

(16:09):
swirling for a long time about two of their veteran players,
one of whom is all of twenty five years old,
but it seems like we've known him for a very
long time, and that's Luka Doncicz. The play PJ. Washington
gets filed, But we look at the big numbers for
Luca in this one, another big solid Everton. Look, his
shooting has been on and off over throughout this playoff run, right,

(16:34):
but the end game is you've got a partnership that's
for him. He goes for twenty nine, ten and ten,
yesterday nine to fifteen shooting, and then you have Kyrie Irving,
who's the other guy in this two man play with
the surrounding cast, great ensemble that they've built there, see
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for him only three assists, which is one that kind
of stands out. But you look at the production they
got from Lively and from Jones, Like we talked about
the close out from Washington, but for Kyrie Irving and
Luka Dancis, there's two guys that the poison pens have been.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
Out quite a bit.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
These sarcastic tones and memes and all of that have
really flowed throughout How much does Yesterday's game and being
able to close out that series help push that narrative
in a different direction, particularly for Kyrie now fourteen and
oh in close out opportunities.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
It helps.

Speaker 4 (17:34):
I think that they would have taken a lot more
scrutiny if they didn't, but it puts them on their
right track because the reason I say it, we couldn't
make an excuse for them to lose. It was not
Oklahoma City's time. We know that's a good basketball, good
good young basketball club over there, but it's just not

(17:54):
their time. They're not set to win right now. And
we spoke about it earlier. With cap space that they have,
they can go out and get probably two of any
stars that they want in the lead. They can trade
up for another day. They mean, they can do pretty much.
They're playing NBA two K over there. They're doing anything
they want. You know, as a kid, you go to
the GM mood mode and you just you just stack

(18:16):
your team and you get everybody, any player you want,
any rookie, you want, all the money that you want.
That's what they're doing over there in Oklahoma City. The
reason I bring that up is because again, Dallas has
to win. Luca is too good to just be going
home in the second round. He's too good not to
be competing for a championship.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
He's too good.

Speaker 4 (18:38):
As we throw him in and we argue and fight,
and some people say he should have been MVP, and
he puts up these amazing numbers for him not to
take over. So I think that it's a step in
the right direction. I don't think it's too early. I
don't think it's too late for Luca, but it's something
that he and the Mavericks should be doing. And for
a player as great as Kyrie is and he hit

(18:59):
the shot for and there's a controversy of hey, was
it Kyrie or was it Lebron and you know all
those things. It's just huge for Kyrie and Dallas and
they've really done things the right way. And and hats off.
I think the superstar over there is Nico the general manager.
You've done a great job, Nico, just making trades, making moves,

(19:19):
being patient for a.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
Guy like a Derek Lively.

Speaker 4 (19:21):
And when Dallas a year ago, you know kind of
you know, hung it up and said we're going to
try to get better draft position. Then it ends up
being Derek Lively. You go, hats off, great job, you
knew what you were doing and it ended up working out.
And then you give PJ. Washington and then you get
Gafford and these guys. So I think Dallas is trending

(19:43):
in the right direction. But that's how competitive the league is.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
But it's kind of funny, right because one of the
narratives that obviously flows out of it then was the
end of last season for Dallas and arguments about making
the play in where they ended up sitting down, opting
out and then lo and behold, you get the opportunity

(20:08):
based on the trade, based on draft order to bring
Lively in and to see and that OKC was on
the other side of the deal that made that all
go down. It's kind of an interesting little thing that'll
play out here in future years. But Lively a huge
addition for Kyrie Irving. You know, all of the off

(20:28):
the court kind of trailed not to mention a couple
of the last stops on his NBA journey and wondering
if this was going to work with Luca, and a
lot of the narrative throughout the season was, Wow, it's
been really quiet there, and they're playing to your point.
They go and get aggressive at the trade deadline and
bring in a couple of players who who show up

(20:49):
big in these playoffs. But for Kyrie, I mean, there's
no noise and the gushing back and forth bromance for
lack of a better term between he and Luca.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
You know, people are going, what the.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
Hell did he do to change him versus you know,
maybe Kyrie just realized, you know, it was time to
be that leader, that teammate and kind of change himself
up a little bit as well, So you know, credit
to the organization as all, but certainly to Kyrie for
what he's been able to do to be a leader.

Speaker 4 (21:19):
There, no absolutely, and kay is a great guy. And
it was over in Dallas earlier this year, got to
see him, got to talk to, you know, in their
front office, a couple of people over there, but even
bigger I played with Kyrie Rooki here. Kyrie is happy
and Kyrie is an amazing guy. And I think that's
what always gets mixed in all the shuffle and all

(21:40):
the hoop lia that goes around these NBA superstars, is
how good of a guy he is. And you got
to be happy for his success. And you know over
in Dallas, man, they support him and he feels the love.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
And you could see it. Man after the game.

Speaker 4 (21:54):
There's a clipment him post game where he's he's literally saying, man,
I'm close to crying. I'm this happy, And you know
that love for NBA basketball is coming back.

Speaker 3 (22:03):
So hats off to Kyrie.

Speaker 4 (22:05):
Excited for him and his family, and you know, good
things are happening over there at the right time.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
I think it's just a great example of finding whatever
that piece is right where you're in a bad situation,
bad management, where coaching rips, whatever the case may be.
To your point, it just seems like there's something else
going on with him into where he's found that groove right,

(22:34):
no matter the past shuffling that's going on. And look,
he's taken some slings and arrows and he's certainly stepped
in in a couple of times to where, you know,
brought some of it on himself in terms of how
much he's loving the game versus you know, outside interests
and where you know, those lines get drawn. But right

(22:55):
now just looks like a man completely He fell in
love with Dallas.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
How about that?

Speaker 3 (23:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (23:02):
Yeah, no, man, things are, Things are going well, and
you know they support him, and I think when they
moved made the move for Kyrie, they were all in.
You know, this wasn't like a halfway deal. And and
you know when you see an organization stepping out and
saying no, we like you, we support you.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
And for Kyrie, he's so good at basketball.

Speaker 4 (23:21):
He's just like you, Gonta, like me as a person,
and they like who Kyrie is. They're not challenging him,
they're not putting him in awkward situations. And you know
that's why he's really embraced the love that he's getting
over there in Dallas. So so again, man, it's just
more about being happy and you got to be excited
for those guys. And again, I play with Kyrie. I'm
telling you, he is an amazing guy. He is a

(23:42):
great guy. Okay, he could hang with his harmon all right.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
All right, that sounds good, you know, mean there's always
room for more at the table, you and Kyrie.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
Man, I would love to have.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
A conversation with him. I find him interesting, find some
of it fascinating.

Speaker 3 (23:59):
You know.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
It's like any You're not gonna agree on everything, but
certainly there's there's enough there to at least get the
conversation started about all the stuff when he's talking about,
you know, fatherhood and what he's most proud of, with
Luca talking about him growing up as a man, like okay,
you know he went straight from basketball and they said
he gave the impassioned speech to the guys and everything.

(24:22):
I just look, we're we're on a Sunday, right, folks
are going to and from services. It's one of those
evangelization kind of things where it's like, you know, trying
to find the best in the world. This is the
day where a lot of people, maybe they're hustle and
bustle of the rest of their week, this is where
they find a little of it. So whenever that starts
to kind of play in where it becomes more about,

(24:45):
you know, finding that fit and happy that allows you
to just go play basketball, which is what you know,
he was kind of saying with Luca, the rest, you know,
the basketball will come. You got to get the other
stuff figured out as well. You know, maybe he's unlocked
some key to the rest of the world. So yeah,
let's get him at the table. We'll figure out a
place to commiserate and start a podcast there as well,

(25:08):
Ryan Hollins at the Ryan Hollins where you find and
find me over at Swollen Dome. We continue talking about
NBA because we've got a couple of Game seven's a
little bit later on, some injury news and notes that
we need to update. And there's nobody better to get
us started down that highway than our guy. I'm sure
there's something about beef and he still carried it over

(25:28):
another week.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
It's our guy, Isaac always.

Speaker 8 (25:33):
You know, you picked up on a certain tension that
is developing between me and Ryan. Oh, it's impalpable some reason.
It's next level right there, because the beef, the in
and out, the what was the name of that rinki
dank place that you like in Houston there, Hollands?

Speaker 1 (25:47):
Oh what a burger that's right? Oh gosh, I'm such
a chirk. He got the word rinky dink game really sure?

Speaker 3 (25:54):
Anyway?

Speaker 8 (25:55):
Talking about Game seven's, no Game sevens for fans of
the Dallas Mavericks to worry about, because in Game six
of the Western Conference semi Finals on Saturday night, they
prevailed over the Oklahoma City Thunder one seventeen to one
sixteen to win the series four games to two in
advance of the Western Conference Finals for the second time
in three years.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
PJ.

Speaker 8 (26:14):
Washington the game winning free throws at two point five
to play Luka Dancic a twenty nine point ten rebound,
tennasis triple double. In Game six of the Western Conference
semi Finals and the Stanley Cup Playoffs on Saturday night,
the Edmonton Oilers defeated Vancouver five to one to force
a Game seven of that series. After three rounds of
the PGA Championship, Colin Morikawa and Xander Schoffler tied to

(26:36):
the lead at fifteen under par overall. Scottie Scheffler is
now eight shots off the lead at seven under par
overall after shooting a two over par seventy three on
Saturday and finally earlier Saturday Seize the Gray, which might
be an advice for me about my ever worsening hair situation. Anyway,

(26:56):
Seize the Gray went Wired to Wired to win the
Preakness State Kentucky Derby Winter. Mystic Dan finished in second place,
ending Mystic Dan's race for the Triple Crown meeting. The
only Mystic Dan of note left in sports is buyer,
pass the blunt back to you guys.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
Now, let's stay with the hair thing for a second, right,
all right, at Isaaclow and Crow where you find him
with the updates. I got a haircut yesterday right going
to an event. One of my neighbors daughters had had
her bought mi'st us, so you know, they had the
services in the morning and then this you know, celebration
at the hall later at night, and I'm like, all right,
we had a bunch of stuff in the morning, so
we couldn't make the first part. But it's like, all right,

(27:34):
let's rally, and so I needed a haircut, right, it's
starting to doesn't grow as tall and proud as it
once did as a younger man Ryan Hollins, but you know,
starting to get mullet like because the back.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
Still grows for whatever reason.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
So it's like, all right, let's go get a trim,
and realizing as I'm being shorn, I mean, how bad
it's really gotten right there? It's bad and it's white
on the sides at this point, right, which is fine,
But I can't go bald because I got smith. We
have Big Lazer on the showy every every week, so
you know, like I'm surrounded by the guys who have already,

(28:10):
you know, just given up on the last vestiges.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
So I can't do it.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
But as I'm sitting there and this shows, you know
where the brain goes, whoever's got the playlist going, suddenly
ABBA's the Winner takes It All comes on, which if
you know the song, you know exactly where I'm going.
If you don't, let me just say it. It's a
breakup song and it's a terrible, sad, depressing.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
Song, like my hair is going down and I'm.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
Watching you know how silver it is, and seeing the
big patch that just ain't there on the back of
the head anymore. And this song comes on and so
like I have to deflect. I'm like, wow, I'm getting
in the fields here. I'm like, who's going through it?
Let's talk, ladies, come on now, like what because I
heard the opening piano and I knew exactly what it

(28:58):
was before she even saying the first note, And I
got them to start opening up on their lives so
I could deflecting about my own.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
Good move.

Speaker 8 (29:09):
But at least you're doing it with dignity, not like
Ryan Dan Derek Carr.

Speaker 3 (29:13):
There.

Speaker 9 (29:13):
I said it there, I said, it looks so natural.
No one can tell way to go. I Loo, that's
Isaac lowincron at Isaac find Ryan at the Ryan Hollins
you got me over at Swollendome. Yeah, it's you know,
some of those realization moments talking about maturation and acceptance

(29:34):
of where you're at and being positive through it all.
So those of you that also face the demons in
the mirror this morning or last night, I appreciate you,
and you are seen Ryan. As we get going today,
we've got a couple of game sevens.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
Average margin of victory.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
And we'll talk more about the series in depth as
we go on twenty one point three. But I saw
a stat, you know, just to go back to our
conversation about the MAVs and company for a moment. Days
since last conference final or league championship appearance for Dallas teams.

(30:12):
So the Mavericks, okay, moving on zero Dallas Stars zero,
Texas Rangers two hundred and nine, Dallas Cowboys three hundred
and fifty two.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
I like that.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
And so what you're saying is it's been a minute
zero ten, three five two zero number is going to
stay with me for the rest of the day. But
we look at the Western Conference side of things. Last
week we got into a bit of a heated, fun
and excitement kind of moment when it came to the

(30:49):
Jamal Murray suspension that wasn't And now here we are
in a game seven scenario. And as I said, average
margin of victory in this series twenty one point three,
the give up forty five point performance. But Joker never
sat down, just sat and look, if I was in
the corner, I'd be a little salty. Hey, seven foot guy,

(31:11):
come on, you got a seat on the bench that
has your name on it. I paid a lot of
money to sit down here in this corner. Help me out,
will you, even if the game has already decided, because
by that point in the fourth quarter, h like I said,
not sitting down and not getting back in another one
of those throwaway efforts. Great for Minnesota and then not
so great for the NBA, except that we do getting

(31:34):
game seven.

Speaker 4 (31:35):
Yeah, this man, listen, this has been one amazing season.
I think that the level of competition, the parody has
been unbelievable. I would say that the one tough spot
we can admit it's injury. All of the stars that
missed time or kind of had injuries that lingered. I mean,
Donovan Mitchell could even play through. We don't want We
could go.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
To a lot of speculation about that one.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
Oh no, no, no, dot of him had to be heard.
He didn't just well and.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
That's the thing, right, You've got reports of the you
know folks that are cynical, and then you've got the
well he might actually need surgery, like I've heard both extremes.

Speaker 4 (32:13):
Yeah, no, trust me, there's no way as a player.
He just said I'm gonna sit out I'm not gonna
be there. But again, there there's a number of stars
that have been missing in the competitive nature of the
NBA has gone up. But on the other side, these
guys have been hurt when you need the most. And
it's not just Kawhi Leonard. There's a number of stars
that that are that are out.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
Look at that you had to throw that a little
side eye towards Kawhi Lenner.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
No, no, no, no, it's been lost in all of this.
I just assured he wasn't gonna play.

Speaker 4 (32:42):
I'm actually giving Kawhi some props right now because everybody
will go, oh, he doesn't play. Well, there's a number
of guys who are hurt and not playing okay, when
they're when their team, you know, could could use them
at the most important time is you'd say, because hey,
they are legitimately injured, Okay, Kawhi Leonard doesn't want to
sit out on the side and just missed.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
The game that he loves. No, he's injured, he's hurt. Okay.
So that's a part of it.

Speaker 4 (33:04):
But you know, the point is is that these guys
are fighting through at the right time, and you know,
maybe you know the league is going to go back
and analyze and say, hey, maybe, okay, did we go
too hard? We've kind of changed these awards and kind
of forced them to get out there and play. And
now a lot of these guys are injured and can't play.
You know, did we did we go too hard?

Speaker 2 (33:25):
Well, let's continue to talk about that, the sixty five
game threshold that comes in for awards season, sixty five
out of eighty two. We'll do the math as we continue.
I'm Mike Carmen. That's Ryan Hollins. This is Fox Sports
Sunday on Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 3 (33:41):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
Ah, there we go. Get that dance move going on
a Sunday morning. A little bit of cardio, little Abbah.
He's Ryan Hollinds. I'm Mike Harmon. It's Fox Sports Sunday.
Hear Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
Ryan.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
Before we well, we were last speaking, he brought up
the sixty five game threshold to be eligible for the
MVP Award all NBA teams and other honors.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
And that one is.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
One that I thought was curious in its implementation, and
you brought in what could be the nefarious consequences thereof
in terms of guys trying to get to that threshold.
I know there was a lot of just watching the
tracking of games played for Joel Embiid before he finally
missed extended time right because he was averaging thirty five

(34:37):
points a game and dominating to get there. And it's
one of those as it got implemented, just like raising
my hand, going all right, how did how did we
agree to this?

Speaker 1 (34:48):
Where's where's where's this coming from?

Speaker 2 (34:51):
As we got because you're talking about future contracts and
max deals and all of that become part of it
because it's all tied back back to the all NBA thing,
which again to me, is silly that we're tying max
contracts to votes from the media.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
It's a very curious thing.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
Here's why I stand with it. First off, I thought.

Speaker 4 (35:16):
It was it's a little extreme for the league because
when the guy is hurt, he's hurt. But the best
thing about the NBA, for the NBA gets to write in.
The NBA was under a lot of scrutiny going into
this deal. Why the competitive level of the NBA players
was not there. These guys were given the league in

(35:40):
the name of bad rap because any little thing happened
and he'd be like, rest day, rest day, nothing happens.
Don't want to play on a back to back rest day.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
Listen when I played and listen, I guess I heard it.
Oh yeah, it's.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
Kind of our family gonna look at you. You're not
that old. Get to work. Wow.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
Back in my day, we played on back to packs.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
Commercial.

Speaker 3 (36:09):
We walked up hill both ways. Back in my day,
we practiced. We practiced in the NBA. Back in my day, one.

Speaker 7 (36:18):
Day we had a triple back to talking about okay, so.

Speaker 4 (36:25):
You know what, the league went a little extreme on
the other end and said, you know, we want to
make sure these guys get out and play. You guys,
there's no more sitting out. You can't hang. But the
league went very extreme and said, no, you jokers need
to come out here and play through these injuries. And
it caused some of these guys to get hurt and

(36:46):
to not not be able to play. So I think, ultimately,
at the end of the day, this is this is
my fix. This is my two senses is my little fix.
I think what you do is you come out and
you you have a different It's between a rest day
and I'm legitimately hurt because guys were getting just penciled

(37:06):
in the thing with Kawhi Leonard, why everybody was saw
up in arms. He was getting just rest days that
he wasn't hurt, and he was just like, I'm going
to rest this day. This is too much, and they're like, whoaha, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
We don't pay you for rest days. And keep in mind,
Kawhi Leonard is legitimately hurt. Everybody who has all this
this mess to say about him, the guy has hurt.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
We don't know what his body feels like. I never
want to question another man's injury or the difficult thing. Absolutely,
it's a horrible thing to do.

Speaker 4 (37:33):
But at the end of the day, I think the
league should just say, hey, these rest days they're out,
they're gone.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
You don't.

Speaker 4 (37:40):
You don't, you're too young, you're too popular, too makes much,
too much money, there are no rest days. But what
there are going to be is, hey, this guy has hurt.
We're not going to penalize you, Joel and beat out
of an MVP race because your knee is falling off
and you're legitimately hurt. And then you put yourself in
a situation where you go into the postseason and you

(38:00):
cannot perform or you're a shell of yourself. You know
it for Joelle shout out, Joel to beat that just
may be Joelle's the rest of his career.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
You know, people don't forget what he sait out.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
Ye remember when he started exactly the fact that he
became the player that he did as a testament to
the work ethic and a little bit of the basketball
God smiling on you now. And again remember this was
also collectively bargained, so it did go through the Union.
So you know they're on the other side trying to
figure out what the make goods are and negotiating and

(38:30):
all that twenty minutes playing and at least sixty five
regular season games to be eligible for the NBA p
All NBA Teams, Defensive Player of the Year and or
All and All Defensive teams. So all of those things
that we know have huge ramifications come contract time. And
let's face it, Ryan, I mean, they're also looking at
the larger business of it, as you said, reputation, but

(38:53):
also what have we been talking about these last couple
of weeks, NBC getting back into the necks, how many
of these other and d'se just like we're watching the
fracturing of you know, here's a few games there there
and over there for the NFL, for the NBA. How
many different pieces of the pie are getting cut up

(39:14):
going forward. But if you don't have the product, i e.
The stars to sell, all right, I mean, because we
saw with the NFL they had the issue towards late
in the season with the number of injuries they had.
It's like, all right, this next matchup is featuring and
normally you'd have quarterbacks or offensive stars. Like here's a
picture of Bill Belichick and on the other side, you know,

(39:35):
here's a picture of Mike Tomlin. Like we're showing the coaches, Mike,
feature the players.

Speaker 4 (39:40):
Mike, how many how many rest days would you allow?
And I mean I make I'd say, I'd say you
might have five rest days. If that where you you're
not injured and which you can't perform, I maybe go fell.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
That's that's the thing, right, it's collectively bargain. You got
seventeen out of eighty two. That's a significant importance. I
mean that's twenty percent of your league.

Speaker 4 (40:00):
Yeah, in again and again, a hurt, A hurt is
a much different than you should have as many hurt
if you're legitimately hurt.

Speaker 3 (40:06):
The rest day's no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
No, Well you go back to the Union. You tell
them to argue that number down. He's Ryan Hollins. I'm
Mike Carmin coming up next. We start getting into the
game sevens that we'll enjoy later on today.

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(40:41):
So much going on in the sporting universe. We've already
got some F one racing on PGA Championship getting going
this morning. We've got the English Premier League, full day
of Major League Baseball, and yes we have two count them,
two game seven's in your NBA. Mike Harman alongside Ryan
Allen's honor to be with you.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
Ryan. Hour one went.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
Through quickly, and right now you're drafting a memo to
the NBA Players Association to say, you need to reduce
that game and figure out how to get other Do
you get a doctor's note? Is that what we're talking
about for those that missed the end of last hour,
talking about the sixty five game threshold and whether there
may be the unintended consequences of guys forcing themselves back

(41:29):
onto a court, thereby maybe creating bigger injury problems, forcing
them to miss more time and the playoffs as we've seen, like,
how do we go through you get a doctor's note
where you actually have to have a procedure, Like we
got to carve this out if we're going to do
this and go back to the union.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
I mean we do like we normally do. We pay
people a lot of money.

Speaker 10 (41:50):
And find some consultants and then well it was literally
said like rest day, Like, what's wrong with him?

Speaker 3 (41:57):
Oh? Rest day? He's tired? What?

Speaker 4 (42:00):
Like they're even young players. Okay, there were young guys.
I'm joined, well, what's going on? You're gonna play them
all now? Rest day?

Speaker 2 (42:08):
What?

Speaker 4 (42:10):
There's no way, Like these things got completely out of hand. Now,
how you differentiate that is to your conscience, that is
to the professionals. But I tell you one thing, you know,
it's gonna have to be evaluated. But hey, Joel embiid,
we saw his knee, his knee giving out in the
middle of games.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
Okay, that wasn't good to see.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
But that's the thing Ryan, Right, we start going back
to the old hurt versus injured kind of discussion on things, right,
because we've had that multiple times this series went with Luca, right,
I mean during the series against the thunder, all right,
how injured is he?

Speaker 1 (42:47):
How broken down?

Speaker 2 (42:48):
How much is he playing rope of dope to lull
you to sleep and then come back and hit either
a big shot in your face?

Speaker 1 (42:55):
What was it?

Speaker 2 (42:56):
Earlier this week there was a sequence where he's limping
and kind of moving slowly back in front and then.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
He does this great step back three.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
It's like, all right, now he's just playing possib So
I think that's the other part is like you got
to you know, going back to playing your conscience, you know,
young or old, it still becomes that same thing, you know.
How sick am I? Am I going to help he
around the house today? Am I going to feign that
I got a bit of a tummy ache? Everybody's doing
it wherever you are across American, across the globe, because

(43:26):
we are global on the iHeartRadio app. You know, Brian
that you know, folks are deciding, you know, how much
are they going to involve themselves versus maybe tapping out
of something they don't want to do.

Speaker 4 (43:38):
No, You're absolutely right, man, it's a you know, it's
it's a real thing. It's a real thing, and I'm sure, hey,
the league is going to fine tune it. It's never
going to be absolutely perfect, but it is something to
look at, man, and it is a you know, there
definitely is a cause for concern with it, with guys
just missing games, not playing, not being out there. Man,

(44:00):
you want to see the league's best competition. You want
to see you know, the best out there. And also
I didn't think it was good, you know, seeing Joelle
being hurt and trying to perform her It wasn't a
good look. So I think again, these things will be
fine tuned and they're gonna find a way to figure

(44:21):
themselves out.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
Well, let's talk about that on a little different scale. Right,
you're on the league, you're working with the Houston Rockets.
A lot of youth and guys rising up there another
team when we talk about the Western Conference, like, hey,
you know there's gonna be nobody left behind in all
of this, right, It's just going to be a battle
for those ten slots we look at.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
Eventually the Victor Weman.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
Yama thing more talent around him in San Antonio, they'll
actually add wins next year in theory, not just another
great player, but the number of injuries that we had.
Is there anything that we could put a finger on
to the number of guys that got hurt and missed time?
Like we talked about all defensive teams, all NBA whatever else.
I mean, it's like the end of a scroll when

(45:08):
you're you know, watching cable television and everybody's done this
where you're watching a movie and you know it's been
compressed for time a little bit, so they scroll the
credits really fast, so it's a lot of names going
by really fast, so they could start the other movie, right,
it does the picture and picture thing to start the
credits for the next one. That's what we had with
the number of guys that got hurt in the NBA

(45:29):
this year. Well, what was at star power everywhere? What
do you pin it to.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
I'll tell you.

Speaker 4 (45:33):
For one thing, the league was more competitive than ever
down the stretch with the play in, so you weren't
just guaranteed the age spot of the NBA. And that's
a large reason why a lot of guys were injured,
you know.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
Those taxing minutes down the stretch as opposed to tapping.

Speaker 4 (45:49):
Yeah, and these were well not just that, these were
competitive games, like teams were literally fighting, okay to be
in those spots, and that that was a big issue.
Then on top of that, you can you can say,
you know, the league is just better, man and a
lot of our superstars have gotten older, and with them

(46:13):
getting older, man, competing against these young guys, it was
hard to keep up. So again, as you noted with
the Houston Rockets, my Rockets, it's nice to be younger
as the league moves forward.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
Okay, look around.

Speaker 4 (46:25):
There's no Kevin Durant in the playoffs right now, There's
no Lebron James, there's no Steph Curry.

Speaker 3 (46:31):
All of these greats are are are are are.

Speaker 4 (46:33):
Fading off, you know, or they're gonna have to get
into situations where they need help. And I mean, man,
there is just a number of teams missing. And the
one thing about the Rockets, they did a great job
doing what they were healthy this year, you know, and
those big moments, you know, the Rockets were healthy. And
that's one thing about being young is that you have
the ability to get out there and participate in moving forward.

(46:55):
The future is bite and you're you're gonna want those
those the young talent man that's starting to go through
because as we're saying, a lot of injuries, I mean
we can go down. I mean there's a heavy, heavy list. Yeah,
stars missing playoff time, stars missing in moments where you again,
you'd need them most.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
We're talking about that a lot as related to one
of the Game seven's that we'll get later on today,
we've got twelve thirty Pacific, three thirty Eastern time, Indiana
and New York getting after it. Josh Hart the abdominal strain.
We watched him pull up in Game six and he
was holding his stomach and looking for that one piece

(47:37):
of video to try to say exactly what happened. Right,
did he get hit? Did he take an elbow as
we'd seen you know, other players missing time, Right, Jared
Allen took that shot to the ribs and ended up
missing multiple games for Cleveland in their series instead abdominal strain. Right,
all the work he's done on the boards, he'll try
to give it a go. But for New York, the

(47:58):
other injury of note that has, you know, derailed them
a little bit in terms of shortening that rotation O
Gion Andobi and we know what his impact was after
coming over to the Knicks this season. Well, what a
huge boost that would be just to get him out
in the warm up line.

Speaker 4 (48:15):
Yeah, and and for this series, for the New York
game today, Man, these injuries are going to be huge.
And I think it's just tough because you know, if
you like basketball, you fell in love with this New
York Next team. They play hard, they're tough, they play
for the next man.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
Uh. He got great storylines all over the place.

Speaker 4 (48:33):
You know, you you got you got three teammates who
won the college national championship on the same team playing
for the Knicks.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (48:44):
And then Jalen Brunson's dad is on the staff. So
you can't help for full for that this underdog story.
But unfortunately, these injuries just may be too much. And
I think at the end of the day, that's what
we're going to see here, uh for the for the Knicks.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
Three and a half point favorites at home two o
seven and a half the over under on this one.
And that's the question, how many times can the short
staff Nicks answer the bell. We'll answer that question in
just a couple of minutes. I want to keep it
on the injury front, right because we talk about heart,
we talk about on a know, we talk about all
the guys that aren't available for the Knicks, and it's

(49:21):
a laundry list of guys through the year. And that's
where you know, you get in and Thibodeau gets his
new deal and you celebrate it and look, I love
the style, but I recognize, you know, with ninety style
basketball comes the laundry list of injuries that we've talked about,
going back to when Thibodeau was coaching the Bulls or
the Tea Wolves unit. You picket where towards the end

(49:44):
of the year, you're just wondering will they have enough
to crawl to the finish line and how much of
that is while you build a culture that is all
about heart. No pun intended with Josh Hart, but a
guy who's rebounding I've joked all week, I want to
get the masterclass, right. I could learn drumming from Ringo
and proper positioning and rebounding despite my size from Josh Hart, Right,

(50:08):
those kind of things. I want to learn skills that
one's not really practical, but I think we could extrapolate,
you know, the angles and opportunities and being able to
read a room into other venues. But that's that's for
me and him to decide in a future zoom call.
But to the point with Thibodeaux, right, often criticized for
the style because of injuries, but being praised for it.

(50:31):
It's kind of that right now because of the success
of these knicks. So it's kind of that trying to
figure out in the end, where does the larger weight
fall on the scale.

Speaker 4 (50:43):
It's man, this is Tibbs has brought New York basketball
to a place that they haven't been in a very
very long time.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
Twenty five years. Man, we're talking about.

Speaker 4 (50:52):
Very long time. So there should be nobody frowning or
turning up their nose at what Tibbs has done this year. Okay,
there's no there should be no questions there. But yeah,
of course it's a thing dude, you your best players
are not able to participate in there. They're dropping like
flies at this point. And we know it's because the
heavy minutes. We know og couldn't play the heavy minutes.

(51:14):
We know Josh Hart is just I mean, he's selling
out in his minutes.

Speaker 3 (51:17):
He's doing he's doing everything he can.

Speaker 4 (51:19):
It's not like he's he's halfway playing them, man, He's
he's literally going going at it. Man. And you know
Josh Hart, you said he's got a lot of heart unintended, Okay,
and uh, you know for him to be missing, you
know that it's something serious. So I'm torn between two
and I think that's New York's in a good place
and I think this was a fun run. I think

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you got to give the respect to Tims. But absolutely
those guys need rest, there's no question about that.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
Well, let's talk about game seven's coming up here. We've
got Denver, Minnesota a little bit later. Anthony Edwards uh
being known for his honesty and candor in post game
interviews as much as anything else. We'll talk about Youth
Served Yo, Kitchen Company, and more on Nicks Pacers as
we continue. He's Ryan Hollins ten years in the League

(52:08):
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Speaker 1 (52:22):
Thanks for being with us.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
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Speaker 1 (53:06):
A card in right out the UURL and just say.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
Here you go, Mom, Grandma, Auntie, whoever, It's a gift
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Speaker 1 (53:22):
You know, got to keep.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
Expanding, aggressive, expansion, as Keith Ledger's Joker said so long ago.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
All right, let's get back into these games seven.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
We're talking a little bit of Pacers, Knicks and what
started out as a great series. I mean, look, we're
getting a game seven, right, so by definition great series, right,
But the last three games have been anything but Pacers
blowout in Game four, Knicks blowout Game five, and then
the Pacers one sixteen one oh three. But anybody that

(53:52):
watched that that was not a one sixteen one oh
three game. It did not feel like the Knicks were
anywhere near that game. So now we get to a
game seven, heart injured again, the heart and soul he
and Brunson of what they've done. Devincenzo is got a
little bit of that tough guy in him, willing to
take on all comers, and maybe you get on Anobi

(54:15):
back that would be just a huge boost for them
amongst all those classic Knicks that will be on the
sidelines again, which is fun so he's spot the knicks.
Which era are these guys from? And the other day
I mentioned this and Ryan, I mean, you're a guy
that look you're seven feet tall. So the suits and everything,

(54:36):
I mean, you've got to go custom made, custom paid,
custom fitted right all the way through. And anytime I
see Clyde Frasier when he's sitting there again when they
were getting buried the other night, and he had that
suit on right, a little bit of sparkle, always with
the pizzazz, and he you know, he's sitting there and
the knees are up and he had his hands folded
like he was Montgomery Burns. I want to camera on

(54:58):
him because I know some stuff's about to go down.
Tell me I'm wrong. Don't you get that feel that
whatever Clyde's around, that that something could go sideways a
little bit, that he's, you know, working.

Speaker 1 (55:11):
Up a master plan.

Speaker 4 (55:13):
Well you're yeah. I mean you're literally looking at a
legendary man. And I mean, look, if I could get
my fits to look half as good as Clyde Frasier
on air, man, Okay, listen, that's.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
The family feel about you embracing the sparkle, because that's
just it you got to get a little bit bit
be dazzled. Whether someone do that, does that in the
house with one of those little machines, or whether you
go and pay, you know, to have someone do that local.

Speaker 4 (55:38):
I mean, this is is like legendary stuff that we're
talking about here.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
Well, we're trying to take it next level you and I.

Speaker 4 (55:44):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's you literally have to at this point,
man it look that good.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
Man, No, that's it right, look good, play good, feel good.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
All of those things kind of wrap up it, you know,
And you can attribute that to everybody that's set in
for Ricky Henderson, Deion Sanders down now when we look
at this Knicks squad, I mean, Jalen Bronson's been the
story for this squad and deservedly so. Right, a guy that,
as we talked about a little bit last week, I
think I've heard more apologies in our larger media sphere

(56:17):
for those doubting the contract that the Nicks signed him
to remember, because as you mentioned his dad on the staff,
So I was like, ah, was there you know, ever
a chance for the Mavericks and blah blah blah to Matchwell,
he goes to New York and now you're looking at
a Knick squad that's relevant for the first time in
twenty five years. Really frightening to think about that that

(56:39):
for twenty five years it's been Taylor Swift, Billy Joel, concerts,
the circus, whatever else has come through the Rangers. But
now obviously actually having the Knicks be relevant once again.

Speaker 4 (56:51):
Yeah, and again, make no mistake whether you love him
or hate him, much like the Lakers, it's much better
for basketball with the Knicks. Lakers are good, okay, just
brings more money to the sport, brings more exposure, and
just for them to be in the mix. But it's
been I mean it's been so long, literally, it's been
so long for the for the Knicks that yeah, I

(57:14):
think at this point, even if you're a Nick hater,
you're like everybody's like pulling for him because it's just
it's been an I've seen amount of time. But again,
this is a team of underdogs. Man, It's just a
team that you can pull for. And I tell you
one thing. The Garden, you know, I'll say, no question,
the best place that it's the mecca basketball, and I'm
an LA guy, it is it is a different environment

(57:36):
there in the garden, there's there's you can just feel
the history, the lighting, everything is different, the celebrities are there.

Speaker 3 (57:44):
It's a show.

Speaker 4 (57:45):
So now you bring the playoffs back and it's it's
a real thing.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
Yeah, it's kind of cool the fact that the last
time they won was when Phil Jackson was actually a player,
still throwing those bony elbows in the.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
In the little post Oaks.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
If you you know only no Bill Jackson the coach,
go back and find some cool video. He was a
badass and he loved you to get into it as well.
But when we look at the Knicks and just go
through the laundry list of guys that are out, I mean,
it's just an amazing.

Speaker 3 (58:18):
Pile.

Speaker 2 (58:18):
Right when you look at Robinson and Randall Bogdanovich and
go on down the line on I know we having
missed the first run of this series, that we get
this game seven set up and for Indiana, I don't
know what team I'm getting and the old Tom Hanks.
Life's like a box of chocolates and all its all

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finding good. But other than Pascal Siakam on a night
to night basis, I don't know who else is showing up.
That's a dangerous part for Rick Carlisle.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
No, well, here's the thing.

Speaker 4 (58:53):
The Pacers play by with their speed, their pace as
a team, and they're gonna be in a great place
to win this series. Why because they are going to
wear down the Knicks. And that's what's been going on here.
The Knicks can't keep up this pace of play and
they're getting they're knocked off, they're kidding injured, They're having

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to work so hard to be in a position to succeed.
So that's the X factor right here in the series
is just the Knicks are not healthy enough.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
Yeah, talking about depth, getting a great bench play. McConnell
and former Nick Obi Toppin has been a bit of
a force off the bench, especially down in the low
post working against Heart and Evincenzo.

Speaker 1 (59:37):
So we'll see how that flows.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
Haliburton's a guy that you know has the spotlight on
him obviously the team USA when Brunson's left off and
all of that. So those are the fun comparisons that
we get to make along the way. I'm just I'm
happy and sad at the same part because those that
are unaware. My weekday partner, Jason Smith seven to eleven
Pacific time. You know, huge Knicks fan. There's a promo

(01:00:01):
running where I'm making a cogin argument about something and
he just starts screaming like a lunatic because of a
shot made. So I'm sad not to be sitting next
to him for this one, Ryan, but also kind of
happy to not be sitting next to him for this
one later today.

Speaker 4 (01:00:17):
You mean he didn't fly in for a Knicks game seven.
Isn't this like like you may never see it again
in your adult lifetime, like something you just we should.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
Have done to go fund me?

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
Out there?

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:00:29):
I don't think anybody would have been angry if he
took off and.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
Hear him out there Frank the Tank.

Speaker 4 (01:00:33):
Yeah, yeah, this is kind of like if you're a
Nick fan, you kind of have to be there, right, No, well,
you may never see there's some keep in mind there,
but there's some people hadn't seen it in their lifetime.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
No, but that's just it, right.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
We go back to ninety nine ninety four before that,
when they were, you know, part of the subplot of
the OJ Chase. Those are the last two times that
this team's been relevant, and they've had some good starts,
but again, owing to you got to finish the eighty
two plus to make some runs. And while we haven't
seen that for a long time. To your point, yeah,

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it's more fun when they're involved, right, stars are out,
celebrities get there and you get a little bit of
the history lessons. And that's what you always love about
some of this that you can grab the footage of
back in the day, and certainly this series at times,
and again the first three games, I think more so
than the last three Ryan where we had that physicality,

(01:01:29):
so you could really start promoting the basketball that you
had when John Starks, Charles Oakley who still can't get
into the garden, Patrick Ewing and those guys were roaming
the court because you had those battles beyond the Reggie
Miller eight point barrage, just some of those classic battles with.

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
The Davises against the front line of the Knicks.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
I mean that was when you know, a different age
of basketball, and somehow those guys still played all their games.

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
It'll be that well.

Speaker 4 (01:01:58):
Also keep in mind, hell see.

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
What I did there, Well, you got to throw this
in all.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
Some I was giving you love because I mean I should.
I mean, it was your time here's.

Speaker 4 (01:02:10):
The thing too, the challenge with that to to my
old head, so to my veterans, the pace of play
in today's basketball is so much faster than what they
played at So when they talk about well we played
every yeah, you walked up the ball up court and
played in the eighties. Okay, So the conditioning and the

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chance of injury is much much different because these guys
are playing a lot more basketball. There's a lot more
possessions where they're in pick and roll, where they're fighting
through pick and rolls, where they're making these plays.

Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
So this is this is a different level.

Speaker 4 (01:02:47):
So not to take away from what they did, but
it's a it's it's a different level of basketball. So
there's a level where they do need they do need rest.
We're not going to challenge that. That's why I said, hey,
give them a number. How you got you got what five?
Let's say ten rest days, ten rest days whatever. We're
not going to count injuries. Okay, well monitor injuries, but
we're not going to count them. You know, we'll call

(01:03:07):
them into question, which is fair. But you know, these
guys having the ball in their hand for eighty two
games and is tough. It's different when you're doing it
at a one hundred and twenty point pace than doing
it at an eighty point pace where you walk the
ball up the court.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
So I need I need old school coaches to come
back in and slow this down, take you out of
your pace. Let's go, let's go back to the low posts.
Frind out those shot clocks.

Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
Let's go. Oh good, due, Now you hate.

Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
Me at a whole other level. He's Ryan Hollins on
my garment.

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
We're here.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
It's Fox Sports Sunday, Fox Sports Radio. We'll clip to
the other side. We've got Denver, Minnesota coming up later
on tonight. But first, it's Isaac Glowing Coron. He's got
what's trending in our spurting universe.

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
Fellas.

Speaker 8 (01:03:54):
We have a brand new eyewitness account of the circumstances
that led to Scottie Scheffler's arrest on Friday morning, that
coming up to seconds from now. First of all, in
Game six of the NBA's Western Conference semi Finals on
Saturday night, the Dallas Mavericks defeated at Oklahoma City one
seventeen to one sixteen to win the series four games
to two in advance to the Western Conference Finals. After

(01:04:15):
three rounds of the PGA Championship, Colin Morikawa and Xander
Schoffler tied for the lead at fifteen under par overall.
The afore mentioned Scotty Scheffler now eight shots back at
seven under after two over seventy three on Saturday. Now,
this new eyewitness account comes from ESPN commentator Bob was Shusen,
who gave his account to golf dot Com. This morning,

(01:04:40):
Scheffler's vehicle pulled up to the left side of a
vehicle that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
Was shosen was in.

Speaker 8 (01:04:44):
Was Shosin said, the officer initially kind of jumped in
front of Scheffler's vehicle with was Shuzen, describing the officer's
demeanor as quote, he was pretty you know, enthusiastic, let's say,
unquote with shoesin's. The officer beamed his flashlight up and
down Scheffler's car and yelled at him with words to

(01:05:05):
the effect of whoa, WHOA, WHOA who are you? Where
are you going? Get back in line? You're not allowed
to come through here with shoes An added quote, When
Scheffler drove past him, the cop got very angry, pursuing
the car. My impression was he was kind of running
alongside chasing the car, and maybe he tripped and fell.
I mean there was kind of an outcropping or median,

(01:05:28):
you know, by the front gate. And keep in mind
it was raining, it was six o'clock in the morning,
it was dark. I could see him stumble, but I
did not have a very clear view of exactly how
you want to categorize his contact with the car unquote.
So that a new account of the incident that led
to Scheffler's arrest on Friday.

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
Back to you, guys, I was really kind of nervous
that you were.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
You had some movie thing cued up there, I low
the way you set that up a new eyewaitness to
cat like, uh oh happy Gilmour too previews.

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
What do we got?

Speaker 8 (01:06:01):
Well, the guys at TMZ are still working on it,
so maybe there might be some video here.

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
Yeah, thanks Ilo at Isaac and Low and Kron Following
their part of the Angel City FC broadcasting team and
getting ready for relentless Enthusiasm attacking the day as a
member of the Chargers broadcast team as well.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
Mike Rman alongside Ryan Hollins with you as well.

Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
How about that crazy kind of situation that flowed out
this week. Ryan, I don't know how much you paid
attention to some of the accounts and the reporting about
the Scheffler incident, but certainly golf getting a little bit
of run here over the last couple of days, kind
of breaking through with one of the majors playing out.

Speaker 4 (01:06:43):
Well, here's the big thing, I thought, He responded, excellent.
I think what's tough is because you can't class o
where somebody died, somebody lost their life, So there was
a huge sense of urgency at the end of the
day to make sure that no body else got across. Okay,
So we cannot, we cannot and will not gloss over that,

(01:07:06):
and hopefully both sides can kind of come to a
measure and be okay, and you know, can you say
it was an extreme I hope they can brush it
off and you know, no harm, no foul. I didn't
think he should have even been driving his own car.

Speaker 1 (01:07:19):
That's a whole other process, right.

Speaker 4 (01:07:21):
Yeah, when you are a megastar, for instance, when I
played with the Clippers, Chris Paul, okay, megastar Chris Paul
didn't drive himself to the games.

Speaker 3 (01:07:29):
He had a security drive himself. So if there is
something that happened.

Speaker 4 (01:07:33):
If there is a question of anything, his security step
right in and hey, please let mister Paul through. What's
the procedure. Hey, we we played games over at Staples Center.
When we will go in, Guess what. There are certain
days where you know, parking would be tough, there'd be
a lot of traffic. Hey, there may even be a
rally going on towards the arena or downtown LA or

(01:07:54):
wherever you may be playing. Hey, be careful, there's a
rally going on. Be careful, there's this, this and this happening.
So you know what, you go into those situations and
you'd be a whole lot more careful, or you'd know,
or you kind of be escorted a certain way. So
my question is, why aren't these golfers being taken care of,
and especially somewhat of the stature the best golfer of

(01:08:16):
the tournament, you know. So those things need to be
address and fixed and hopefully no harm, no foul.

Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
But it's tough.

Speaker 4 (01:08:22):
He got booked and sent in and it seemed like
a lot. And I don't want to say it was
extreme because I wasn't there, I hadn't seen the video.
I'm no expert, and I don't know. I just hope
that both sides can come to a resolve.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
Yeah, I would say that there was shoes in account
does kind of fly in the face of what the
lawyer was contending, etc.

Speaker 1 (01:08:41):
And that you know he.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
Was following the direction of an officer, because this says
flat out guy trying to ascertain what's going on. And
as to your point and what I made when we
were talking about this, Jason and I quite a bit
like you got a height everything. It was a guy
that was helping to work security for the event that

(01:09:04):
was killed, and that's the aftermath of it, is the
log jam getting in and I know other golfers got
in without incident. Well, it looks like he disobeyed and
dismissed whatever this officer was, whether he was security or
a police officer, because people were trying to make that distinction.
Either way, it's someone in authority that has, you know,

(01:09:26):
your access to the facility. And you know, we we
then had fun with the fact that the police report
had to enumerate that the pants were worth eighty dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
And were irreparably damaged in the process. So there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
We always have to find a little bit of levity
on the back end of it. But to your point,
I hope combra heads prevailed. They figure out the the
chargers and whatever else. Seems like everybody's going all right.
I know the officer had to go to the hospital
and get checked out for the abrasions at all, and
you know, and hopefully they come to an amical, amicable resolution.

(01:10:04):
And traditions like guys driving themselves up maybe go away,
Maybe go away.

Speaker 1 (01:10:10):
You had other golfers who.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
Walked it and realizing that there was the traffic scenario.
We saw several other Zalatorus and others that walk the
the two miles or whatever they were from their hotel.

Speaker 1 (01:10:23):
To get up there. All right, Enough of that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:25):
Back to the NBA as we flow through, Ryan t Wolves, young, plucky, tall,
deep roster Yo get you at home in a game seven.

Speaker 4 (01:10:40):
I like the Nuggets. I like the Nuggets its experience. Obviously,
a lot of this is going to be about Jamal Murray.
He's the guy who can hit big shots. He's shown
up and Mike, I don't know how you feel about this.
He plays well. All's forgotten about the other games. That's
all that matters is at game seven, What did you
do in this game seven?

Speaker 3 (01:11:02):
In this moment?

Speaker 4 (01:11:03):
And I think for the Nuggets the big key for them,
they've got to be great defensively. They've got to win
on this end. They got to throw bodies at yo kids.
They've got to frustrate him. They have to get out
in transition. They got to speed this game up. But
I don't think they can rely on the offensive execution.
It won't be there. But defensively is where they're going
to have to win this game. But for Jamal Murray,

(01:11:25):
I think you got to harass him and you got
to harass Jo Kis. You can't let those two be
a factor. And then you can't give up any easy buckets.
You know, you can't give up the transition Aaron Gordon
slam dunks or you know, the open porter junior threes.
Those are the ones that hurt you in a game
like this because Denver truly plays as a team, in
a unit, and they'll thrive off those games.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
Yeah, we look at Jamal Murray just ten points in
that blowout loss, but he was four of eighteen. He
was three of eighteen going back to game two, So
you've certainly had some bad shooting nights from him, and
like theggressiveness and physicality with which Minnesota has attacked both
he and go back to the first two games of

(01:12:07):
the series, how difficult it was for Jokic to find
space not only for his own shot, but to create
as he does so well. So I'm curious to see
what the seven footers. I'm showing all the love for
the opinionated seven footers out there, my guy Ryan Hollins,
But for Jamal Murray, how bad do you think the
elbow really is versus a He came a talking point

(01:12:29):
after a four for eighteen.

Speaker 1 (01:12:30):
Man, but that's always the hard thing for me.

Speaker 4 (01:12:33):
At this point in the year. It's bad, man. These
guys are banged up. Jamal Murray's been banged up. You
know he's fighting through He really if you think back,
it was.

Speaker 1 (01:12:43):
Is that why the tala was short?

Speaker 4 (01:12:45):
Yeah, that's why he baked the amble the best game
and that.

Speaker 3 (01:12:50):
They deal with the talent. I'm just for shooting, but
he was questionable.

Speaker 4 (01:12:55):
He had to walk in and he was told by
the medical staff, you're not playing Jamal and against the
Laker Jamalgos, No, no, no, I'm playing. I'm playing I'm
gonna be out there on the floor, and he did so.
Keep in mind he's fighting through a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
End of the year, like nobody's one hundred percent. It's
all just a matter going back to again the management
of things. Unfortunately you don't have this sixty five game
threshold in the playoffs. Every game magnified and certainly a
Game seven which we all celebrate. Coming up, we'll go
back to the Minnesota side of things. Anthony Edwards with
one of the great quotes, and he's given us a

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number over the course of this series, the latest being
the Game seven, and no, it's got nothing to do
with any relation to Michael Jordan.

Speaker 1 (01:13:37):
He's Ryan Hollinds.

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
I'm by Carmen, and this is Fox Sports Sunday on
Fox Sports Radio. Welcome back in Fox Sports a Radio,
Fox Sports Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
He's Ryan Hollinds. I'm by Carmen. Thanks for being with us.
This morning.

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
We witnessed another Max Verse stop and win in Italy
on the F one circuit. The giant bottles on the podium.
Champagne is for the podium of course. Got Ango's Premier
League Soccer gonna kick off in about ten minutes from
now Man City getting after it. Arsenal right behind them
in the standings, two points behind. Say, I'm a big nerd.

(01:14:15):
We've got so much sporting activity those two game sevens
Ryan that we've got later on and talking about Denver
and the veteran acumen that they've got and the team
relationship Michael Malone, et cetera. One of my favorite quotes

(01:14:35):
from Anthony Edwards, who's been given us just gold right
taking responsibility when he said, my energy isn't right, you know,
and I to repeded us in things that you normally
don't get the candor, especially with younger players, to that
level that he's been standing out now. Obviously a lot
of people doing those morphing Edwards into Jordan things has

(01:14:57):
been kind of a little creepy, but.

Speaker 1 (01:14:58):
Hey, it is what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
But he was asked about the Timberwolves wanting to win
Game seven for Mike Conley, who's zero for four in
game seven's in his career. Unfortunately, the audio quality isn't
up to par and broadcast standards.

Speaker 1 (01:15:14):
Through our guys Shay.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
Because he evaluated this one and tried to parse it
out however he could. So we'll do the dramatic reading quote.
I want to wait for myself. I wasn't with Mike
whenever he was playing Game seven, so that has nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:15:25):
To do with me.

Speaker 2 (01:15:29):
You go, young man, How great is that I didn't
play on those teams?

Speaker 1 (01:15:38):
I had nothing to do with his own four about me.

Speaker 3 (01:15:42):
He's honest, dude, He's ho.

Speaker 1 (01:15:44):
That's what I mean. He's becoming a full hero.

Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
It's like we love the Knicks for the on court
throwback kind of basketball. I'm gonna I may be losing Linz,
like I'm in a mony Python sketch, but I'm playing
my forty minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:15:58):
Damn it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
I thought I'm gonna keep going. He got Anthony Edwards.
Anytime he's asked a question. The man has no filter.

Speaker 3 (01:16:04):
He's got zero filter.

Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
He's got zero filter, which is good and bad for
the league because eventually he's gonna say something to get
himself in trouble.

Speaker 1 (01:16:11):
It's just the law of averages, like all of us.

Speaker 4 (01:16:16):
That's kind of the throwback phill of him is that
he's unapologetic.

Speaker 3 (01:16:22):
You know, you hope he doesn't go over the line.

Speaker 4 (01:16:24):
Does What you're referring to is like, you know, dude,
don't don't don't go over the line.

Speaker 2 (01:16:29):
There just might be that one point where you get
too candid about a team's performance and someone in the
locker room, coach or player, takes it the wrong way
or interprets, Oh, he was calling me out without calling
me out, and now all of a sudden, we've got,
you know, a little bit of drama in the in
the background. That's all I'm saying. It's like, you know
that sometimes can lend itself to that. But so long

(01:16:50):
as he's saying, hey, this is on me, Yeah, all's good.

Speaker 3 (01:16:54):
Yeah, yeah, that's that's that's what we hope.

Speaker 4 (01:16:56):
But I think I think more so you're you're saying,
and you know, much bigger trouble than we're not talking
basketball truckle.

Speaker 3 (01:17:04):
What you're saying.

Speaker 1 (01:17:05):
No, no, no, I'm certainly not implying that.

Speaker 3 (01:17:07):
No, no, You're you're saying you worry that he gets
in basketball trouble.

Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
To where it just because look, you never know what's
going to happen. I mean like nowadays, no matter what
you say, you're going to find some fraction of people
that deciding that you should be uh sent away. I
mean that, you know, to the to the penalty box
of nothing else. That's the nature of the business.

Speaker 4 (01:17:30):
Yeah, yeah, but you're I think the excitement with him
you're bringing up is that he's unapologetic. Hey, I'm the
best player on the floor. You got to come and
beat me. The trash talk is there. You know, you're
not as good as I like give me he's saying,
he's saying all these things. He's just giving it. He's
giving it to you, and he's backing it up, and

(01:17:51):
he's exciting to watch, and you know it's it's that's
where the Jordan has feel is because when we talk
about Jordan, the big part of Jordan's legacy, a big
part of Kobe's legacy was a trash talk. It was
that you cannot see me, You're not better than me.
And that's what we're saying from Anthony Edwards. So as
long as he backs it up, man, we are excited.
But yeah, you gotta admit, you know, if you're if

(01:18:13):
you're Tim's pr man, every time that he steps up
to the podium, you're nervous he's gonna say anything. But
I think the sports community has been falling in love
with them.

Speaker 3 (01:18:24):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
Well, I mean, you see the highlight video reels I mean,
certainly they're all year long, averaging nearly twenty six points
a game. All of that stuff that rolls through, you
got another team that becomes relevant, which again is good
because it allowed us a bunch of throwbacks to the
Garnett and Marbury years, right, and what they were doing.

(01:18:45):
Some of the old ads they used to do. Remember
the old ESPN the magazine. Go and look that up
on your own time, folks. The Google machine will help
you along the way. But it's the kind of thing
that you know, you're always looking for more stars, and
as you've talked about, and we've talked about quite a bit,
the number of stars that are hitting. We age ourselves, right,
talking going back to Ilo joking about hair and me

(01:19:08):
talking about you know, sitting in the barber chair yesterday
and having the sad moments with intertwined with Abba is
the reality that we age ourselves, but we don't necessarily
age the guys we're watching and then, except when it
becomes the leading factor, right, Tom Brady was the forty
five year old quarterback, forty five year old Tom Brady,

(01:19:29):
thirty nine year old Lebron James, when it becomes the
defining factor. But that's kind of where we're hitting with
Steph and Durant and all these guys where we need
the new blood. And if Anthony Edwards is the guy
that leads that next parade and he's going to do
that at the MIC, I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:19:43):
All for it.

Speaker 4 (01:19:45):
No, hey, listen, I think is good for the game.
He's exciting, he's fun and you know what he's opinionated.

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
No, he's leaving no stone unturned at the Ryan Hollins
where you find I may find me over at Swollen Dome.
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Speaker 1 (01:20:34):
We've got the English.

Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
Premier League, full day of Major League Baseball, and yes
we have two count them two. Game seven's in your
NBA Mike Harman alongside Ryan Allins, honor to be with you. Ryan,
Hour one went through quickly and right now you're drafting
a memo to the NBA Players Association to say you

(01:20:57):
need to reduce that game and figure out how to
get other Do you get a doctor's note? Is that
what we're talking about for those that missed the end
of last hour, talking about the sixty five game threshold
and whether there may be the unintended consequences of guys
forcing themselves back onto a court, thereby maybe creating bigger
injury problems forcing them to miss more time and the

(01:21:19):
playoffs as we've seen, Like, how do we go through
you get a doctor's note where you actually have to
have a procedure, Like we got to carve this out
if we're gonna do this and go back to the union.

Speaker 4 (01:21:30):
I mean we do like we normally do. We pay
people a lot of money.

Speaker 10 (01:21:34):
And find some consultants and then well it was literally
said like rest day, Like what's wrong with him?

Speaker 2 (01:21:41):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:21:42):
Rest day? He's tired? What?

Speaker 4 (01:21:44):
Like they're even young players? Okay, there were young guys.

Speaker 1 (01:21:48):
I joined.

Speaker 3 (01:21:49):
What's going on you're gonna play tomorrow now rest day.

Speaker 4 (01:21:52):
What there's no way, like these things got completely out
of hand. Now, how you differentiate that is to your conscience,
That is to the professionals. But I tell you one thing,
you know, it's gonna have to be evaluated.

Speaker 3 (01:22:06):
But hey, Joel Embiid, we saw his.

Speaker 4 (01:22:09):
Knee, his knee giving out in the middle of games.

Speaker 3 (01:22:13):
Okay, that wasn't good to see.

Speaker 2 (01:22:14):
But that's the thing Ryan, Right, we start going back
to the old hurt versus injured kind of discussion on things, right,
because we've had that multiple times this series went with Luca, right,
I mean during the series against the thunder all right,
how injured is he?

Speaker 1 (01:22:31):
How broken down?

Speaker 2 (01:22:32):
How much is he playing rope a dope to lull
you to sleep and then come back and hit either
a big shot in your face?

Speaker 1 (01:22:39):
What was it?

Speaker 2 (01:22:40):
Earlier this week there was a sequence where he's limping
and kind of moving slowly back in front and then
he does this great step back three.

Speaker 1 (01:22:48):
It's like, all right, now he's just playing possum.

Speaker 2 (01:22:51):
So I think that's the other part is like you
gotta you know, going back to playing your conscience. You know,
young or old, it's still becomes that same thing. You know,
how sick am I am? I going to help her
out the house today? Am I going to feign that
I got a bit of a tummy ache? Everybody's doing
it wherever you are, across American, across the globe, because.

Speaker 1 (01:23:10):
We are global on the iHeart Radio app.

Speaker 2 (01:23:13):
You know, Brian that you know, folks are deciding, you know,
how much are they going to involve themselves versus maybe
tapping out of something they don't want to do.

Speaker 4 (01:23:22):
No, you're absolutely right, man, But it's a you know,
it's it's a real thing. It's a real thing, and
I'm sure, hey, the league is going to fine tune it.
It's never going to be absolutely perfect, but it is
something to look at, man, and it is a you know,
there definitely is a cause for concern with it, with
guys just missing games, not playing, not being out there, man.

(01:23:43):
And you want to see the league's best competition. You
want to see you know, the best out there. And
also I didn't think it was good, you know, seeing
Joelle being hurt and trying to perform her It wasn't
a good look. So think again, these things will be
fine tuned and they're gonna find a way to figure

(01:24:05):
themselves out.

Speaker 2 (01:24:06):
Well, let's let's talk about that on a little different scale. Right,
you're on the league, You're you're working with the Houston Rockets,
a lot of youth and guys rising up there. Another
team when we talk about the Western Conference, like, hey,
you know, there's there's gonna be nobody left behind in
all of this, Right, it's just gonna be a battle
for those ten slots we look at.

Speaker 1 (01:24:27):
Eventually the Victor Weman.

Speaker 2 (01:24:29):
Yama thing more talent around him and San Antonio they'll
actually add wins next year in theory, not just another
great player, but the number of injuries that we had.
Is is there anything that we could put a finger
on to the number of guys that got hurt and
missed time, Like we talked about all all defensive teams,
all NBA whatever else. I mean, it's like the end

(01:24:50):
of a scroll when you're, you know, watching cable television
and everybody's done this where you're watching a movie and
you know it's been compressed for time a little bit,
so they scroll the credits really fast, so it's a
lot of names going by really fast. So they could
start the other movie, right, it does the picture and
picture thing to start the credits for the next one.
That's what we had with the number of guys that

(01:25:12):
got hurt in the NBA this year. Well, what was
at star power everywhere? What do you pin it to?

Speaker 3 (01:25:17):
I'll tell you.

Speaker 4 (01:25:17):
For one thing, the league was more competitive than ever
down the stretch with the play in, so you weren't
just guaranteed the age spot of the NBA. And that's
a large reason why a lot of guys were injured.

Speaker 2 (01:25:29):
You know, those taxing minutes down the stretch as opposed
to tapping.

Speaker 4 (01:25:33):
Yeah, and these were well not just that, these were
competitive games, like teams were literally fighting, okay to be
in those spots, and that that was a big issue.
Then on top of that, you can say, you know,
the league is just better. Man in a lot of

(01:25:53):
our superstars have gotten older, and with them getting older,
man competing against these young guys, it was hard to
keep up. So again, as you noted with the Houston Rockets,
my Rockets, it's nice to be younger as the league
moves forward. Okay, look around, there's no Kevin Durant in
the playoffs right now, There's no Lebron James, There's no,

(01:26:14):
Steph Curry. All of these greats are are are fading off,
you know, or they're gonna have to get into situations
where they need help. And I mean, man, there is
just a number of teams missing. And the one thing
about the Rockets, they did a great job doing what
they were healthy this year, you know, and those big moments,
you know, the Rockets were healthy. And that's one thing
about being young is that you have the ability to

(01:26:36):
get out there and participate.

Speaker 3 (01:26:38):
So moving forward, the future.

Speaker 4 (01:26:39):
Is bite and you're gonna want those the young talent.

Speaker 3 (01:26:42):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:26:43):
That's starting to show through because as we're saying, a
lot of injuries, I mean, we can go down. I
mean there's a heavy, heavy list of stars missing, playoff time,
stars missing in moments where you again, you need them most.

Speaker 2 (01:26:57):
We're talking about that a lot as related to one
of the seven's that we'll get later on today, we've
got twelve thirty Pacific, three thirty Eastern time, Indiana and
New York getting after it. Josh Hart the abdominal strain.
We watched him pull up in game six and he
was holding his stomach and looking for that one piece

(01:27:21):
of video.

Speaker 1 (01:27:22):
To try to say exactly what happened? Right?

Speaker 2 (01:27:23):
Did he get hit? Did he take an elbow as
we'd seen you know, other players missing time, Right, Jared
Allen took that shot to the ribs and ended up
missing multiple games for Cleveland in their series instead abdominal strain. Right,
all the work he's done on the boards, he'll try
to give it a go. But for New York, the
other injury of note that has, you know, derailed them

(01:27:46):
a little bit in terms of shortening that rotation Ogian
Andobi and we know what his impact was after coming
over to the Knicks this season. What a huge boost
that would be just to get him out in the.

Speaker 1 (01:27:57):
Warm up line.

Speaker 4 (01:27:59):
Yeah, and for this series, for the New York game today, Man,
these injuries are going to be huge. And I think
it's just tough because you know, if you like basketball,
you fell in love with this New York Knicks team.
They play hard, they're tough, they play for the next man. Uh.
He got great storylines all over the place. You know,
you you got you got three teammates who won the

(01:28:23):
college national championship on the same team playing for the Knicks.

Speaker 3 (01:28:27):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:28:28):
And then Jalen Brunson's dad is on the staff. So
you can't help for pull for that this underdog story.
But unfortunately, these injuries just may be too much. And
I think at the end of the day, that's what
we're going to see here, uh for the for the
Knicks three and.

Speaker 2 (01:28:44):
A half point favorites at home Twoe seven and a
half the over under on this one.

Speaker 1 (01:28:50):
And that's the question, how many times can.

Speaker 2 (01:28:52):
The the short staff Knicks answer the bell? Well will
answer that question in just a couple of minutes. I
want to keep it on the injury front, right because
we talk about heart, we talk about on a no,
we talk about all the guys that aren't available for
the Knicks, and it's a laundry list of guys through
the year. And that's where you know, you get in
and Thibodeau gets his new deal and you celebrate it

(01:29:13):
and look, I love the style, but I recognize, you know,
with ninety style basketball comes the laundry list of injuries
that we've talked about going back to when Thibodeau was
coaching the Bulls or the Tea Wolves. You know, you
picket where towards the end of the year, you're just
wondering will they have enough to crawl to the finish
line and how much of that is while you build

(01:29:36):
a culture that is all about heart. No pun intended
with Josh Hart, but a guy who's rebounding. I've joked
all week, I want to get the masterclass, right. I
can learn drumming from Ringo and proper positioning and rebounding
despite my size from Josh Hart, Right, those kind of things.
I want to learn skills that one's not really practical,
but I think we could extrapolate, you know, the angles

(01:29:59):
and upper tunities and being able to read a room
into other venues.

Speaker 1 (01:30:03):
But that's for me and him to decide in a
future zoom call.

Speaker 2 (01:30:07):
But to the point with Tibodeau, right, often criticized for
the style because of injuries, but being praised for it.
It's kind of that right now because of the success
of these knicks. So it's kind of that trying to
figure out in the end, where does the larger weight
fall on the scale.

Speaker 4 (01:30:27):
It's man, this is Tibbs has brought New York basketball
to a place that they haven't been in a very
very long time.

Speaker 1 (01:30:35):
Twenty five years. Man, we're talking about.

Speaker 4 (01:30:36):
Very long time. So there should be nobody frowning or
turning up their nose at what Tibbs has done this year. Okay,
there's no there should be no questions there. But yeah,
of course it's a thing, dude. Your best players are
not able to participate in their dropping like flies at
this point. And we know it's because of the heavy minutes.

(01:30:56):
We know Og couldn't play the heavy minutes. We know
Josh Hart is just I mean, he's selling out in
his minutes. He's doing he's doing everything he can. It's
not like he's he's halfway playing them, man, He's he's
literally going going at it. Man. And you know Josh Hart,
you said he's got a lot of heart unintended, okay,
and you know for him to be missing, you know
that it's something serious. So I'm torn between two and

(01:31:20):
I think that's New York's in a good place and
I think this is a fun run. I think you
got to give the respect to to Timms. But absolutely
those guys need rest, there's no question about that.

Speaker 2 (01:31:30):
Well, let's talk about game seven's coming up here. We've
got Denver, Minnesota a little bit later. Anthony Edwards being
known for his honesty and candor in post game interviews
as much as anything else. We'll talk about Youth Served
Yo Kitchen Company, and more on Nicks Pacers as we continue.

(01:31:50):
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Speaker 1 (01:33:14):
All right, let's get back into these games seven.

Speaker 2 (01:33:15):
We're talking a little bit of Pacers Knicks and what
started out as a great series. I mean, look, we're
getting a game seven, right, so by definition great series, right,
But the last three games have been anything but Pacers
blowout in Game four, Knicks blowout Game five, and then
the Pacers one sixteen one oh three. But anybody that

(01:33:36):
watched that, that was not a one to sixteen one
oh three game. It did not feel like the Knicks
were anywhere near that game. So now we get to
a game seven, heart injured again, the heart and soul
he and Brunson of what they've done. Devincenzo is got
a little bit of that tough guy in him, willing
to take on all comers. And maybe you get on

(01:33:58):
Anobi back that would be just a huge boost for
them amongst all those classic knicks that will be on
the sidelines again, which is fun. So he's spot the knicks.
Which which era are these guys from? And the other
day I mentioned this and and Ryan, I mean, you're
a guy that look you're seven feet tall. So the

(01:34:19):
suits and everything, I mean, you've got to go custom made,
custom paid, custom fitted right all the way through. And
anytime I see Clyde Frasier when he's sitting there again
when they were getting buried the other night, and he
had that suit on right, a little bit of sparkle,
always with the pizazz, and he you know, he's sitting
there and the knees are up and he had his
hands folded like he was Montgomery Burns. I want a

(01:34:42):
camera on him because I know some stuff's about to
go down.

Speaker 1 (01:34:48):
Tell me I'm wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:34:48):
Don't you get that feel that whenever Clyde's around, that
that something could go sideways a little bit, that he's
you know, working up a master plan.

Speaker 4 (01:34:57):
Well you're yeah, I mean you're literally looking at a
legendary man. And I mean, look, if I could get
my fits to look half as good as Clyde Frazier
on AIRBN.

Speaker 3 (01:35:07):
Okay, listen, that's the.

Speaker 2 (01:35:08):
Family feel about you embracing the sparkle, because that's just it.

Speaker 1 (01:35:12):
You got to get a little bit bit be dazzled.

Speaker 2 (01:35:14):
Whether someone do that, does that in the house with
a one of those little machines, or whether you go
and pay, you know, to have someone do that local.

Speaker 4 (01:35:22):
I mean, this is is like legendary stuff that we're
talking about here.

Speaker 1 (01:35:25):
Well, we're trying to take it next level you and I.

Speaker 4 (01:35:28):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's you literally have to at this point, mano.

Speaker 1 (01:35:33):
Man, no, that's it right, look good, play good, feel.

Speaker 2 (01:35:36):
Good, all of those things kind of wrap up it,
you know, and you can attribute that to everybody that's
set it for Ricky Henderson, Deon Sanders on down Now
when we look at this Nick's squad, I mean, Jalen
Bronson has been the story for this squad and deservedly so. Right,
a guy that, as we talked about a little bit
last week, I think I've heard more apologies in our

(01:35:59):
law larger media severear for those doubting the contract that
the Knicks signed him to remember, because as you mentioned,
his dad on the staff, and so I was like, ah,
was there you know, ever a chance for the Mavericks
and blah blah blah to Matchwell, he goes to New
York and now you're looking at a Nick squad that's
relevant for the first time in twenty five years. Really

(01:36:21):
frightening to think about that, that for twenty five years
it's been Taylor Swift, Billy Joel, concerts, the circus, whatever
else has come through the Rangers. But now obviously actually
having the Knicks be relevant once again.

Speaker 4 (01:36:35):
Yeah, and again, make no mistake, whether you love him
or hate him, much like the Lakers, it's much better
for basketball what the Knicks and Lakers are good, Okay,
just brings more money to the sport, brings more exposure,
and just for them to be in the mix. But
it's been I mean it's been so long, literally, it's
been so long the for the Knicks that I think

(01:36:58):
at this point, even if you're at Nick, like everybody's
like pulling for him because it's it's been a o'b
seen amount of time. But again, it just a team
of underdogs, man, It's just a team that you can
pull for. And I tell you one thing, the Garden
you know, I'll say, no question, the best place that
it's the mecca basketball, and I'm an LA guy.

Speaker 3 (01:37:19):
It is.

Speaker 4 (01:37:19):
It is a different environment there in the garden. There's
you can just feel the history, the lighting, everything is different.
The celebrities are there. It's a show. So now you
bring the playoffs back and it's it's a real thing.

Speaker 2 (01:37:33):
Yeah, it's kind of cool the fact that the last
time they won was when Phil Jackson was actually a player,
still throwing those bony elbows in the in the low post, folks,
if you you only know Phil Jackson the coach, go
back and find some cool video. It was a badass
and he loved you to get into it as well.
But when we look at at the Knicks and just

(01:37:56):
go through the laundry list of guys that are out,
I mean, it's just in azing pile, right when you
look at Robinson and Randall Bydanovich and go on down
the line on to know we having missed the first
run of this series, that we get this Game seven
set up and for Indiana, I don't know what team

(01:38:18):
I'm getting and the old Tom Hanks life's like a
box of chocolates and allays all finding good but other
than Pascal Siakam on a night to night basis, I
don't know who else is showing up.

Speaker 1 (01:38:30):
That's a dangerous part for Rick Carlisle.

Speaker 3 (01:38:35):
No, well, here's the thing.

Speaker 4 (01:38:37):
The Pacers play by with their speed, their pace as
a team, and they're they're gonna be in a great
place to win this series. Why because they are going
to wear down the Knicks. And that's what's been going
on here. The Knicks can't keep up this pace of
play and they're getting they're knocked off, they're a kidding injured.

(01:38:58):
They're having to work so hard to be in a
position to succeed. So that's the X factor right here
in the series is just the Knicks are not healthy enough.

Speaker 2 (01:39:07):
Yeah, talk about depth, getting a great bench play. McConnell
and former Nick Obi Toppin has been a bit of
a force off the bench, especially down in the low
post working against Heart and Evincenzo.

Speaker 1 (01:39:21):
So we'll see how that flows.

Speaker 2 (01:39:22):
Haliburton's a guy that you know has the spotlight on
him obviously the team USA when Brunson's.

Speaker 1 (01:39:28):
Left off and all of that.

Speaker 2 (01:39:29):
So those are the fun comparisons that we get to
make along the way. I'm just I'm happy and sad
at the same part because those that are unaware. My
weekday partner, Jason Smith seven to eleven Pacific time. You
know a huge Knicks fan. There's a promo running where
I'm making a cogin argument about something and he just
starts screaming like a lunatic because of a shot made.

(01:39:52):
So I'm sad not to be sitting next to him
for this one, Ryan, but also kind of happy to
not be sitting next to him for this one later today.

Speaker 4 (01:40:01):
You mean he didn't fly in for a Knicks game seven.
Isn't this like like you may never see it again
in your adult lifetime, like something.

Speaker 1 (01:40:08):
You just sho we should have done and go fund me. Yeah,
it is it out there?

Speaker 4 (01:40:12):
Yeah, I don't think anybody would have been.

Speaker 1 (01:40:14):
Angry if he took off and hear him out there
Frank the Tank.

Speaker 4 (01:40:17):
Yeah yeah, this is kind of like if you're a
Nick fan, you kind of have to be there, right, No, well,
you may never see there's some people keep in mind there,
but there's some people hadn't seen it in their lifetime.

Speaker 1 (01:40:28):
No, but that's just it, right.

Speaker 2 (01:40:29):
We go back to ninety nine, ninety four before that
when they were you know, part of the subplot of
the OJ Chase. Those are the last two times that
this team's been relevant, and they've had some good starts,
but again owing to you got to finish the eighty
two plus to make some runs and while we haven't
seen that for a long time. To your point, yeah,

(01:40:50):
it's more fun when they're involved, right, stars are out,
celebrities get there and you get a little bit of
the history lessons and that's what you always love about
some this that you can grab the footage back in
the day, and certainly this series at times, and again
the first three games, I think more so than the
last three Ryan where we had that physicality, so you

(01:41:13):
could really start promoting the basketball that you had when
John Starks, Charles Oakley who still can't get into the garden,
Patrick Ewing and those guys were roaming the court because
you had those battles beyond the Reggie Miller eight point barrage,
just some of those classic battles with the Davises against
the front line of the Knicks. I mean that was

(01:41:35):
when you know, a different age of basketball, and somehow
those guys still played all their games.

Speaker 4 (01:41:40):
It'll be that well, also keep in mind, hell, see
what I did there, I was giving you love because
I mean I said, I mean it was your time.
Here's the thing too, that the challenge with that to
to my old heads, to my veterans, the pace of

(01:42:00):
play in today's basketball is so much faster than what
they played at So when they talk about well we
played every yeah, you walked up the ball at court
and played in the eighties. Okay, so the conditioning and
the chance of injury is much much different because these
guys are playing a lot more basketball. There's a lot

(01:42:23):
more possessions where they're in pick and roll, where they're
fighting through pick and rolls, where they're making these plays.

Speaker 3 (01:42:28):
So this is this is a different level.

Speaker 4 (01:42:31):
So not to take away from what they did, but
it's a it's a different level of basketball. So there's
a level where they do need they do need rest.
We're not going to challenge that. That's why I said, hey,
give them a number, hew, you got you got what five,
let's say ten rest days, ten rest days whatever. We're
not going to count injuries. Okay, well monitor injuries, but
we're not going to count them. You know, we'll call

(01:42:51):
them in a question, which is fair. But you know,
these guys having the ball in their hand for eighty
two games at is tough.

Speaker 3 (01:42:59):
That it's different when you're doing it at a one
hundred and.

Speaker 4 (01:43:02):
Twenty point pace than doing it at an eighty point
pace where you walk the ball up the court.

Speaker 2 (01:43:06):
So I need I need old school coaches to come
back in and slow this down, take you out of
your pace. Let's go, let's go back to the low posts,
rid out those shot clocks.

Speaker 3 (01:43:19):
Let's go. Oh good dude.

Speaker 2 (01:43:21):
Now you hate me at a whole other level. He's
Ryan Hollins on Mike R Mean, we're here. It's Fox
Sports Sunday, Fox Sports Radio. We'll clip to the other side.
We've got Denver Minnesota coming up later on tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:43:32):
But first it's Isaac Lowencrod.

Speaker 2 (01:43:34):
He's got what's trending in US courting university fellas.

Speaker 8 (01:43:38):
We have a brand new eyewitness account of the circumstances
that led to Scottie Scheffler's arrest on Friday morning. That
coming up to seconds from now. First of all, in
Game six of the NBA's Western Conference semi Finals on
Saturday night, the Dallas Mavericks defeated at Oklahoma City one
seventeen to one sixteen to win the series four games
to two in advance to the Western Conference Finals. After

(01:43:59):
three rounds of the p GA Championship, Colin Morikawa and
Xander Schaffler tied for the lead at fifteen under par overall.
The aforementioned Scotti Scheffler now eight shots back at seven
under after two over seventy three on Saturday. Now, this
new eyewitness account comes from ESPN commentator Bob was Shuzen,
who gave his account to golf dot Com. This morning,

(01:44:24):
Scheffler's vehicle pulled up to the left side of a
vehicle that.

Speaker 1 (01:44:27):
Was Shoesen was in.

Speaker 8 (01:44:28):
Was Shoesen said, the officer initially kind of jumped in
front of Scheffler's vehicle with was Shuzen, describing the officer's
demeanor as quote, he was pretty you know, enthusiastic, let's say,
unquote with Shuzen said, the officer beamed his flashlight up
and down Scheffler's car and yelled at him with words

(01:44:49):
to the effect of whoa, WHOA, WHOA who are you?
Where are you going? Get back in line? You're not
allowed to come through here. Was Shoesin added quote when
Scheffler drove past him. The cop got very angry pursuing
the car. My impression was he was kind of running
alongside chasing the car, and maybe he tripped and fell.
I mean there was kind of an outcropping or median,

(01:45:12):
you know, by the front gate. And keep in mind
it was raining, it was six o'clock in the morning,
it was dark. I could see him stumble, but I
did not have a very clear view of exactly how
you want to categorize his contact with the car unquote.
So that a new account of the incident that led
to Scheffler's arrest on Friday.

Speaker 1 (01:45:31):
Back to you, guys, I was really kind of nervous
that you were.

Speaker 2 (01:45:35):
You had some movie thing cued up there eye load
the way you set that up, a new eyewitness account like,
oh happy Gilmour two previews, what do we got?

Speaker 8 (01:45:45):
Well, the guys at TMZ are still working on it,
so maybe there might be some video.

Speaker 2 (01:45:48):
Hey, thanks Ilo at Isaac Lowen Krown following their part
of the Angel City FC broadcasting team and getting ready
for relentless enthusiasm as I'm attacking the day as a
member of the Chargers broadcast team as well. Mike Garman
alongside Ryan Hollins with you as well. How about that
crazy kind of situation that flowed out this week, Ryan,

(01:46:12):
I don't know how much you paid attention to some
of the accounts and the reporting about the Scheffler incident,
but certainly golf getting a little bit of run here
over the last couple of days, kind of.

Speaker 1 (01:46:25):
Breaking through with one of the majors playing out.

Speaker 4 (01:46:27):
Well, here's the big thing, I thought, He responded, excellent.
I think what's tough is because we can't gloss over
somebody died, somebody lost their life, so there was a
huge sense of urgency at the end of the day
to to make sure that nobody else got across. Okay,
So we cannot, we cannot and will not gloss over that,

(01:46:50):
and hopefully both sides can kind of come to a
measure and be okay, and you know, can you say
it was an extreme I hope they can brush it
off and you know, no harm, no foul. I didn't
think he should have even been driving his own car.

Speaker 1 (01:47:03):
That's a whole other process, right.

Speaker 4 (01:47:05):
Yeah, when you are a megastar, for instance, when I
played with the Clippers, Chris Paul, okay, megastar Chris Paul
didn't drive himself to the games. He had a security
drive himself. So if there is something that happened, if
there is a question of anything, his security step right
in and hey, please let mister Paul through. What's the procedure. Hey,
we played games over at Staples Center. When we will

(01:47:27):
go in, guess what. There are certain days where you know,
parking would be tough, there'd be a lot of traffic. Hey,
there may even be a rally going on towards the
arena or downtown LA or wherever you may be playing. Hey,
be careful, there's a rally going on. Be careful. There's this, this,
and this happening. So you know what, you go into
those situations and you'd be a whole lot more careful,

(01:47:50):
or you'd know, or you kind of be escorted a
certain way. So my question is why aren't these golfers
being taken care of it, especially someone of the stature,
the best golf for the tournament, you know, So those
things need to be address and fixed and hopefully no harm,
no foul.

Speaker 3 (01:48:05):
But it's tough.

Speaker 4 (01:48:06):
He got booked and sent in and it seemed like
a lot and I don't want to say it was
extreme because I wasn't there, I hadn't seen the video.
I'm no expert, and I don't know. I just hope
that both sides can come to a resolve.

Speaker 2 (01:48:18):
Yeah, I would say that the was shoes in account
does kind of fly in the face of what the
lawyer was contending, et cetera, and that you know he
was following the direction of an officer, because this says
flat out guy trying to ascertain what's going on. And
as to your point and what I made when we

(01:48:39):
were talking about this, Jason and I quite a bit
like he got a heighten everything. It was a guy
that was helping to work security for the event that
was killed, and that's the aftermath of it, is the
logjam getting in and I know other golfers got in
without incident. Well, it looks like he disobeyed and dismissed

(01:49:02):
whatever this officer was, whether he was security or a
police officer, because people were trying to make that distinction
either way, it's someone in authority that has, you know,
your access to the facility. And you know, we then
had fun with the fact that the police report had
to enumerate that the pants were worth eighty dollars and
were inreparably damaged in the process.

Speaker 1 (01:49:25):
So there you go. We always have to find a
little bit of levity on the back end of it.

Speaker 2 (01:49:29):
But to your point, I hope combra heads prevail, they
figure out the the chargers and whatever else. Seems like
everybody's going all right. I know the officer had to
go to the hospital and get checked out for the
abrasions at all, and you know, again, hopefully they come
to an amical, amicable resolution and traditions like guys driving

(01:49:50):
themselves up maybe go away, maybe go away. You had
other golfers who walked it and realizing that there was
the traffic scenario. We saw several other Zalatorus and others
that walk the two miles or whatever they were from
their hotel to.

Speaker 1 (01:50:07):
Get up there. All right, enough of that.

Speaker 2 (01:50:09):
Back to the NBA as we flow through, Ryan t Wolves, young, plucky, tall,
deep roster Yo get you at home in a game seven.

Speaker 4 (01:50:24):
I like the Nuggets. I like the Nuggets. It's experience.
Obviously a lot of this is going to be about
Jamal Murray. He's the guy who can hit big shots.
He's shown up and Mike I don't know how you
feel about this, he plays well, all's forgotten about the
other games. That's all that matters is at game seven.
What did you do in this game seven? In this moment?

(01:50:47):
And I think for the Nuggets the big key for
them they've got to be great defensively.

Speaker 3 (01:50:51):
They got to win on this end.

Speaker 4 (01:50:53):
They got to throw bodies at yo kids. They've got
to frustrate him. They have to get out and transition.
They got to speed this game up. But I don't
think they can rely on the offensive execution.

Speaker 3 (01:51:03):
It won't be there.

Speaker 4 (01:51:03):
But defensively is where they're going to have to win
this game. But for Jamal Murray, I think you got
to harass him and you got to harass Yokis. You
can't let those two be a factor. And then you
can't give up any easy buckets. You know, you can't
give up the transition Aaron Gordon slam dungs or you know,
the open porter junior threes. Those are the ones that

(01:51:24):
hurt you in a game like this because Denver truly
plays as a team in a unit, and they'll thrive
off those games.

Speaker 2 (01:51:30):
Yeah, we look at Jamal Murray just ten points in
that blowout loss, but he was four of eighteen. He
was three of eighteen going back to game two, so
you've certainly had some bad shooting nights from him. And
look the aggressiveness and physicality with which Minnesota has attacked
both he and go back to the first two games

(01:51:51):
of the series. How difficult it was for Jokic to
find space not only for his own shot, but to
create as he does so well. So I'm curious to
see what the seven footers see. I'm showing all the
love for the opinionated seven footers out there, my guy
Ryan Hollins, But for Jamal Murray, how bad do you
think the elbow really is? Versus a became a talking

(01:52:12):
point after a four for eighteen, man, But that's always
the hard thing for me.

Speaker 4 (01:52:17):
At this point in the year. It's it's bad, man.
These guys are banged up. Jamal Murray's been banged up.
You know, he's fighting through He really if you think back,
it was is that why the tale was short? Yeah,
that's what he bake the amble the best game I
got to do with the talent. I'm just was shooting,
but he was questionable. He had to walk in and

(01:52:41):
he was told by the medical staff you're not playing, Jamal,
and against the Laker. Jamal goes, no, no, no, I'm playing.
I'm playing. I'm gonna be out there on the floor,
and he did so. Keep in mind he's fighting through
a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:52:53):
End of the year, like nobody's one hundred percent. It's
all just a matter going back to again the management
of things. Unfortunately you don't have this sixty five game
threshold in the playoffs. Every game magnified and certainly a
Game seven which we all celebrate. Coming up, we'll go
back to the Minnesota side of things. Anthony Etherwards with
one of the great quotes, and he's given us a

(01:53:14):
number over the course of this series, the latest being
the Game seven, and no, it's got nothing to do
with any relation to Michael Jordan.

Speaker 1 (01:53:21):
He's Ryan Hollinds.

Speaker 2 (01:53:22):
I'm by Carmen, and this is Fox Sports Sunday on
Fox Sports Radio. Welcome back in Fox Sports a Radio,
Fox Sports Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:53:30):
He's Ryan Hollinds. I'm by Carmen. Thanks for being with us.
This morning.

Speaker 2 (01:53:36):
We witnessed another max Verse stopping win in Italy on
the F one circuit. The giant bottles on the podium,
Champagne is for the podium. Of course, got Ango's Premier
League soccer gonna kick off in about ten minutes from
now Man City getting after it. Arsenal right behind them
in the standings, two points behind.

Speaker 1 (01:53:58):
Say, I'm a big nerd.

Speaker 2 (01:53:59):
We've got so much hoarding activity those two game sevens
Ryan that we've got later on and talking about Denver
and the veteran acumen that they've got and the team
relationship Michael Malone, et cetera. One of my favorite quotes

(01:54:19):
from Anthony Edwards, who's been given us just gold right
taking responsibility, when he said, my energy isn't right, you know,
and I to repeded us in things that you normally
don't get the candor, especially with younger players to that
level that he's been standing out now. Obviously a lot
of people doing those morphing Edwards into Jordan things has

(01:54:41):
been kind of a little creepy, but.

Speaker 1 (01:54:42):
Hey, it is what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:54:44):
But he was asked about the Timberwolves wanting to win
game seven for Mike Conley, who's over foreign game sevens
in his career. Unfortunately, the audio quality isn't up to
par and broadcast standards through our guys Shay because He
evalued this one and tried to parse it out however
he could, So we'll.

Speaker 1 (01:55:02):
Do the dramatic reading quote. I want to wait for myself.

Speaker 2 (01:55:06):
I wasn't with Mike whenever he was playing Game seven,
so that has nothing to do with me. You go,
young man, How great is that I didn't play on
those teams.

Speaker 1 (01:55:22):
I got nothing to.

Speaker 3 (01:55:23):
Do with his OZ and four by me. He's honest, dude,
He's ho.

Speaker 1 (01:55:28):
That's what I mean. He's becoming a folk hero.

Speaker 2 (01:55:30):
It's like we love the Knicks for the on court
throwback kind of basketball. I'm gonna I may be losing
lins like I'm in a mony Python sketch, but I'm
playing my forty minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:55:42):
Damn it.

Speaker 2 (01:55:42):
I thought I'm gonna keep going. Now you got Anthony Edwards.
Anytime he's asked a question, the man has no filter.

Speaker 3 (01:55:48):
He's got zero filter. He's got zero filter.

Speaker 2 (01:55:51):
Which is good and bad for the league because eventually
he's gonna say something to get himself in trouble.

Speaker 1 (01:55:55):
It's just the law of averages, like all of us
you're on radio.

Speaker 4 (01:56:00):
That's kind of the throwback phill of him is that
he's unapologetic.

Speaker 3 (01:56:06):
You know you hope he doesn't go over the line.

Speaker 4 (01:56:08):
Do What you're referring to is like, you know, dude,
don't don't, don't go over the line.

Speaker 2 (01:56:13):
There just might be that one point where you get
too candid about a team's performance and someone in the
locker room, coach or player, takes it the wrong way
or interprets, Oh, he was calling me out without calling
me out, and all of a sudden, we've got, you know,
a little bit of drama in the in the background.
That's all I'm saying. It's like, you know, that sometimes
can lend itself to that. But so long as he's saying, hey,

(01:56:35):
this is on me, yeah, all, it's good.

Speaker 3 (01:56:38):
Yeah, yeah, that's that's that's what we hope.

Speaker 4 (01:56:40):
But I think I think more so you're you're saying,
you know, much bigger trouble than we're not talking basketball
Trump what you're saying, No.

Speaker 1 (01:56:49):
No, no, I'm certainly not implying that.

Speaker 4 (01:56:51):
No, No, you're you're saying you you worry that he
gets in basketball.

Speaker 2 (01:56:55):
Truble basketball trouble to where it just because look, you
never know what's gonna happen. I mean like nowadays, no
matter what you say, you're going to find some fraction
of people that deciding that you should be sent away.
I mean that, you know, to the to the penalty
box of nothing else. That's the nature of the business.

Speaker 4 (01:57:14):
Yeah, yeah, but you're I think the excitement with him
you're bringing up is that he's unapologetic. Hey, I'm the
best player on the floor. You got to come and
beat me. The trash talk is there. You know, you're
not as good as I like give me he's saying,
he said all these things. He's just giving it. He's
given it to you, and he's backing it up, and

(01:57:35):
he's exciting to watch, and you know it's it's that's
where the Jordan has feel is because when we talk
about Jordan, the big part of Jordan's legacy, a big
part of Kobe's legacy was the trash talk. It was
that you cannot see me, you're not better than me.
And that's what we're seeing from Anthony Edwards. So as
long as he backs it up, man, we are excited.
But yeah, you gotta admit, you know, if you're if

(01:57:57):
you're tos pr man, every time that he steps up
to the podium, you're nervous. He's gonna he's gonna say anything,
but I think the sports community has been falling in
love with them.

Speaker 3 (01:58:08):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:58:09):
Well, I mean you see the highlight video reels.

Speaker 2 (01:58:11):
I mean certainly there all year long, averaging nearly twenty
six points a game, all of that stuff that rolls through.
You got another team that becomes relevant, which again is
good because it allowed us a bunch of throwbacks to
the Garnett and Marbury years, right, and what they were
doing some of the old ads they used to do.
Remember the old ESPN, the magazine. Go and look that

(01:58:33):
up on your own time, folks. The Google machine will
help you along the way. But it's it's the kind
of thing that you know, you're always looking for more stars,
and as you've talked about, and we've talked about quite
a bit, the number of stars that are hitting. We
age ourselves, right, talking going back to Ilo joking about
hair and me talking about you know, sitting in the

(01:58:54):
barber chair yesterday and having the sad moments with that
with intertwined with Abba is the reality that we age ourselves,
but we don't necessarily age the guys we're watching. And
then except when it becomes the leading factor, right, Tom
Brady was the forty five year old quarterback, forty five
year old Tom Brady, thirty nine year old Lebron James

(01:59:14):
when it becomes the defining factor. But that's kind of
where we're hitting with Steph and Durant and all these
guys were we need the new blood. And if Anthony
Edwards is the guy that leads that next parade and
he's going to do that at the mic, I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:59:27):
All for it.

Speaker 4 (01:59:29):
No, hey, listen, I think is good for the game.
He's exciting, he's fun, and you know what, he's opinionated.

Speaker 2 (01:59:38):
He no, he's leaving no stone unturned at the Ryan
Hollins where you find me, find me over at Swallowing
Down Hobur three coming up.

Speaker 1 (01:59:46):
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