Mike Harmon & Ryan Hollins Talk NBA Finals & Top Sunday Headlines

This morning Mike Harmon & Ryan Hollins talk about the NBA Finals & predictions for Game 2 between the Heat & Nuggets. The guys go through top players within the league who could be traded before the end of the off-season. The team goes through the most expensive franchises in America & a preview of the Stanley Cup between the Golden Knights & Panthers.

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Greetings and welcome in another beautiful Fox Sports Sunday Fox
Sports Radio. Long before the sun goes up here on
the West Coast, team is assembled and doing their best
to get themselves fully caffeinated. All right, we're here in body,
in spirit, mine still sittaps is firing. Mike Carbon alongside

(00:27):
my guy. Ryan Hollands is a decade in the league,
UCLA brewing proud one day. You know, you got the
autographed card up in the office, and of course working
with the Rockets these days. He's got a podcast. We'll
get into that as we go on. Ryan, what's going on, brother,
Happy Sunday morning to you.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
What's up brother, Good to catch up with you man.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
How you been well? Now we're to the to the finals.
When when last week spoke, we were in the midst
of the Lakers well, getting swept out of things. So
now we move on and onwards and upwards towards the
game two of these NBA finals. We talked heard Monsei
in the update with the Stanley Cup Final. I had

(01:08):
all the pomp and circumstance and pageantry there in Las Vegas,
all the showmanship before you kick things off, including Michael Buffer. Yeah,
the let's get I can't finish the phrase because he
will sue me no matter what time of day it is.
But you know what I immediately had to do Ryan
as I saw him sitting up there, It's like I

(01:30):
had to look at how old he was? Like how
old is Michael Buffer these days? Because he's a guy
that's like a fixture in our lives going back many
many years, many television and movie appearances. And there he was.
You want to take a guess.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
I would say in his sixties.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
Seventy eight, spry years young, wow and getting after it's done.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
I mean, that's me. He's been old for a long time.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
But well, but he's like a lot of these that
you see, as the hell is that guy? I don't
know he's been He looked like he's seventy. I mean
Wilford Brimley, right, I'm rapidly approaching my Wilford Brimley line.
And for all of you out there across America listening,
wherever you may be, you may want to do the
calculation yourself because maybe it'll feel you'll feel better about
where you are looking and into the mirror. On a

(02:20):
given day, the Wilford Brimley line is what do you
look like when you hit the Wilford Brimley age that
he was when cocun was released? And would you believe this,
Wilford Brimley was only like fifty years old when Cocoon
was released, and everybody's sitting out there and maybe you're
thinking about him, going I'm Wilford Brimley and I'm here

(02:41):
to talk to you about diabetes, or maybe you remember
the show on Sunday Sunday Evenings that he had all
those years ago. Yeah, all of those things go through,
but when you had the the Cocoon line. So for me,
I'm coming up in the next year or so, and
I dare say, looking into a mirror, I'm holding up. Okay,

(03:04):
internally maybe a different thing, you know, the the doctors
might give you a different stage, but here it is.
There's actually a website for it because he was fifty years,
nine months and six days when Cocoon was released.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
Just kind of owing to the fact of guys that
always looked old but weren't necessarily old.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
Morgan Morgan Freeman.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
Yeah, no, exactly.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
I gotta confess it. As a kid, I thought that
Jerome Cursey was like older than my dad, Jerome Cursey
and Clyde jack Slid just figure those those were like
like old men. I didn't know they were in there.
You know, their their primes essentially at the time. Man,
because you know, but back then players would play with
the rooftop off man. They just there was no shame.

(03:52):
They just let it go.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
The poster child for that used to be Granville Waiters.
Oh now there's a deep pull unless you're a big
NBA fan. Uh he uh he let it go. And
and he didn't shave it because that was before shaving it.
Guys would still h hold on to the to the ridge,
to the to the rim, as it were, for the

(04:16):
proverbial and basket. So there you go. You know, all
of these all these years ago. That's how we get
things started here, Fox Sports Radios, Fox Sports Sunday. Uh, Ryan,
it's a lot of hyperbole, a lot of talk the
last couple of weeks, uh, and everybody wringing their hands,

(04:41):
how do you make Denver interest interesting to the masses?
And you know what, sometimes, as Kevin Durant once said
so brilliantly, if you don't like it, don't watch, all right,
If you don't like the like to me, this is
about as fun a basketball on basketball series as we
get fundamentals, team team play on the Miami side and

(05:04):
then Denver, Yes, you've got the head of the snake
is Jokic, two time MVP argument arguing you could have
made it a third Jamal Murray, a guy that people
have come to embrace and love. Michael Porter Junior will
talk about him as it goes Aaron Gordon like that
rotation fantastic. But it's all about what they're doing when
they don't have the ball, right, It's all about the cuts,

(05:25):
all about making themselves available, uh and and really making
that thing work. So all of the why is this
not sexy? Talk? Just and I know we're leading with
it because I just find it entertaining. Like if you
like basketball, you've grabbed a beer and some popcorn or
whatever your snack of choices, and you're excited to watch

(05:46):
this matchup.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
Yeah you're right.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
Well, well, here to answer your first question. If you're
gonna make this series exciting, I think you got to
have close games. That's any sporting event I would I
would assume the last two minutes you get some fireworks
in those last two minutes, you get some big shots,
clutch shots hit, we would have something to talk about.
And I think, no matter how slow the whole game

(06:10):
is or how tactical it may be, because as you stated,
you're right, the basketball is avont to love what's going on.
You got ball movement, you got team play. Everybody was
complaining both the super team and we don't want to
see Lebron and step again. And you know you got
tired of that. So that's the that is what you
asked for, and this is what basketball it looks like
at a high level without super teams or without just

(06:33):
forgive me, I don't want to say just megastars in
the mix, but I'd say maybe ten yured stars you
know established you know you're not seeing the durrect Jimmy
Butler and jokicch I would say this is where everyone's
the first time looking at them and going they are
super superstars.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
You can argue Jimmy for the for the bubble, right,
but would you agree here?

Speaker 1 (06:53):
No one? And even going back to the bubble, the
most entertaining thing anybody could get out of it was
getting excited about big head coffee. It wasn't about the
play at Jimmy Butler. Yes, as much right, it was
more about the quirky situation. And I mean, as you recall,
we were doing shows together and and a lot of
the national lamentation was all right, the heat yay. And look,

(07:19):
I've been a Jimmy Butler stand since he was with
the Bulls, and and the fact that he still holds
a grudge for not still being a bull is always
going to be fun to me. But the fact is,
you know, you've got to your point about Steph and Lebron,
et cetera, because it takes away some of that heat
watching element to the finals and to these you know,

(07:43):
where people were cheering against whatever that part of history is.
For folks that are Jordan's stands, there is some the
I don't want Lebron getting another one for the Warriors.
I remember the love and affection of something Dan and
I talk about, because he's one of the those guys
that got tired of it fast. I had a little

(08:04):
longer patience with it. But you know how we went
from loving the quote change the game side of things
with three point range and everything to you about eighteen
months later you had fatigue. And certainly after four titles
and a decade of it. It was all right, what's next?
But the problem is when you keep asking what's next, Hey,

(08:24):
you don't appreciate what's going on. But the other is,
you know, the next thing may not be that you know, burning,
you know, meteor like thing that just catches your eye
to the whole other level. Why everybody's all excited about
the draft lottery two weeks ago and just appreciating that
you've got these teams, like Joki is an interesting guy,

(08:46):
but it's just the cell, right, it's all the cell job.
Is it ready packaged or do you actually have to
work a little bit for it? And I think on
this for both these squads, it's a little more work.
With Miami, Yeah, they've been in these situation a lot
of conference finals runs. I equated a little bit. You know,
Ethan's a Philly guy, you know, going back to how

(09:07):
we don't I don't think properly appreciate from the NFL side,
how good those Eagles teams were back in the day
with Donovan McNabb, Right, he's a guy that you had
them in position for great things every year. Did they
get over No, But they were in the in the
NFC title game, A bunch. They were playing for major stakes,

(09:30):
a bunch. And it's funny where we draw those lines
in history, Ryan of which teams like that we celebrate
and which we excoriate.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
No, No, you're right about that, and I think you
have to look back and I think, just you're right,
just appreciate teams. A lot of the teams they aren't appreciated.
You know, you don't. You don't think about it until
later on. And remember just the big uproar the super teams.
It's not fair. Nobody wants to see it. It's not
good for the game. And I think a lot of
the those people are looking back and going, oh wow,

(10:02):
there's no stars in it. Maybe we don't like it.
And I think to another point you made, I think
it was an excellent point. The NBA goes in trends,
there's someone that breaks the mold and then everybody catches up.
And I think not to say that Golden State wasn't tough,
but what you're seeing in the finals right now, you're
seeing teams that shoot the three, I mean stroke the three. Okay,

(10:23):
shoot it extremely well, move off the ball. But there's
a lot of toughness and Golden State. I don't want
to say they did it without toughness, but for a while,
I mean, they're just shooting was extraordinary on top of
the toughness. But I think that's the biggest thing that
you see. A lot of teams said, well, we want
to shoot threes and we'll sacrifice, you know, the toughness

(10:43):
for the three. Some team said that, not saying Golden
State in particular. And now you're seeing the tougher teams
and you're going, oh, hell, these undrafted guys get in
this situation because they're tougher than you are, they work harder,
they're hungry, and they can really really shoot the basket.
And I think that's gonna be the trend we'll see
in the NBA moving forward. But that was a great point,

(11:05):
going well, well, people didn't like what they saw. They
were complaining, and now they're going, man, maybe it wasn't
so bad saying those three pointers the first time around.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
Now that's it. Stuff will pivot. I mean, how many
times now do you go into all right, let's review it,
whether it's a flager or not. You've broadcast for the Rockets.
How many times did you sit there and start staring
at your watch with reviews trying was that an advert?
You know? Did he hit him with an elbow? Did
he catch him?

Speaker 3 (11:31):
You know?

Speaker 1 (11:31):
Is it a glancing blow? All of those things, Whereas
once upon a time like all right, is there blood?
It's the old street rules, no blood, no fall, and
we move on. So to a degree, you know, when
we look at these two teams, maybe it's it's not
a guess for for folks that are casually coming in,

(11:53):
it's like, all right, it doesn't it doesn't have that
same sex appeal for lack of a better term. But
you know, it's the game within the game. Talking about
all those undrafted guys. You know, those are the guys
that still want to play eighty two games at season
because they want to be able to prove themselves. I mean,
look at look at the success the Lakers had for
all we could put on the shoulders of Lebron and ad.

(12:17):
That team's not viable without a couple of guys that
were cast offs in Ruey Hachimura, you know, Lonnie Walker
the fourth We'll always talk about the Lonnie Walker the
fourth game. And then Austin Reeves made himself what seventy
eighty one hundred million dollars off of his run down
the stretch and two months ago you could have walked

(12:37):
had him walk around with you in LA and nobody
would have known who he was.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
That's a good point. That is a good point. You
make a very good point the entire playoffs as these
guys that are undrafted, that that work hard, that want
their you know, their opportunity. You can even say the
playoff before you had Gary Payton the second who came
out you know, drafted and just was a major staple.

(13:03):
And I think, you know, we we aren't going to
probably see a trend where you know, the hard working,
you know, veteran or guy who's a little older, you know,
has a value in the NBA because you win with
that guy. You know, he may not be uh as
sod after in the draft per se because he comes
a dimond doesn't at least for right now, but there

(13:24):
there's a value. Or hey, man, the the arms race
and I.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
Can't even say NBA free agency, NBA draft free agency
that the non drafted market is going to be more
competitive than ever this year.

Speaker 4 (13:37):
Man.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
Well, no, that's it right. You've got your scouting teams
have to be that much better. We'll talk about this
as the show goes on, because I think that's a
big part because we had a lot of coaches moving
around and then a couple where assistants stayed, and I
think that's indicative of a bigger, bigger movement. Especially when
you see the success that the the Heat and so

(14:00):
some of these other teams are having. Is that you know,
you need that continuity, you need to find you know,
those diamonds in the rough, because we've seen the teams
that are top heavy and star laden and we've watched
them fall over. You know, in certain your favorite TV
or movie, Uh problem with a supervillain villain because their

(14:20):
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we're at the sensibilities of the Fox Sports Radio studios

(15:29):
as a whole, there seems to be a thread that
is running through the storyline of youth sports. My daughter
playing soccer, one of our other hosts his kids playing
youth baseball. On the last show here, Jeff Schwartz and
Andy Furman, Ethan poked the bear by asking about blaming

(15:51):
folks for where we are with youth sports costs and
everything else. And I'm thinking I might ride a PhD
dissertation on it.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
Hey, look I'm with it there.

Speaker 3 (16:05):
I think.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
The only the problem that we come across. Parents are
going to love their kids. You can't ask that not
to happen. And sometimes you're a parent, is at a
I coached AAU basketball just just so you know, so
I understand the uth sports scene. It's just don't place
your kid into a professional sport when they're nine years old.

(16:29):
That's my only thing. You can love your kid. You
can yell at a referee, you can be unreasonable, but
you know, don't put your kid in the NBA, NFL,
or any major sport when they're nine.

Speaker 3 (16:39):
That's that's my only thing.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
There, you have it, that's nice.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
That's all.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
I'm fine, I'm fine. I can understand.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
Yeah. Well, I just wanted to answer the blame part
of it because I actually almost opened my microphone while
I was prepping in here and you know, drinking some
coffee just to say capitalism. And you know me, I
love the money. I love money. I love the color green.
I'm like the Bishop Magic don Juan running around with Yeah,

(17:08):
everybody remembers him and you're like, who's he talking about.
You've all seen old school. Yeah, he was the guy
in the green suit hanging out with Snoop. Hey, bring
your green hat, So you know, old green and money
and all. So that's the thing that makes it all
go round. If folks think they can find all the

(17:28):
golden calf, and in this case, youth sports, they're gonna
do it right once you're done playing and whatever else. Hey,
you know, I've got camps, I've got this, and they're
all viable and valid things as long as everybody, as
you said, Ryan keeps proper perspective about what it's leading to,
what the lessons are to be learned, and everything else.

(17:49):
All right, Nuggets one A four ninety three. In game one,
we saw Nikola Jokic at the head of the snake,
as we said, had himself brilliant game twenty seven ten
and fourteen, six assists in the first quarter, getting everybody going.
And you know, you and I have talked about this
when we've had the opportunity to chop it up these

(18:11):
last couple of weeks. Ryan, you know, the superstar, the
leader of your squad and how they attack things. Right,
we go back to that closeout game with Lebron James.
He had nothing left because he spent a lot of
energy in that first half on the offensive end, and
it was a brilliant first half, almost as if to say,

(18:32):
you're not putting this blame on me, and then unfortunately
circumstances toward the end put the ball in his hands
and a shot not being able to be put up.
But we've watched teams with varying philosophies in terms of
getting their secondary players involved early rather than you know,
putting the head down and referencing Clyde Drexler as you
did so definitely earlier. That's the Lebron move. I always

(18:55):
love when he puts his head down and charges into
the lane. Who's standing in for that more than once
because you're coming back up and you're smart for the
rest of the game. But for the Nuggets in Game one,
at worked Jokics distributing the ball knowing he's eventually going
to get his points. So for the Miami Heat, defensively,

(19:17):
you know they're they're taxed, right because the other players,
Gordon and KCP, they keep moving, right, they keep swimming
like a shark in the ocean. Right, you know, stop swimming,
you die for the Heat. The bigger question is how
do you generate enough offense, particularly if you're three point
shooters aren't getting it? Done, and that two for two

(19:38):
has been blinking at me on my page for about
three days.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
You hit it right on the head. I think we
can look at the deep. I think they played enough defenses.
The offense that has to get going, and you brought
him up earlier. You got to attack Jokic. You gotta
make him work. You have to make him, have to
guard the perimeter, you have to move him around. You've
got to present some problems for Mike Malone where hey,

(20:03):
Mike Malone has to throw on his zone or he's
got to do something unconventionable. And the one thing that
you don't see uh in the NBA, I mean is rare,
but you see in Denver and want you listen up
for this is they don't switch. The reason they don't
really switch is because of Yo Kitchen Jamal Murray. You

(20:24):
want to protect those guys defensively. So it's old school NBA,
which means you got to knock down shots. You got
to be ready to move the defense. And you know
they scramble, so you're gonna have to, you know, beat
their hustle and their hard work on the weak side
because they don't want Yo kicch to have to be,
you know, guarding a point guard in the middle of

(20:45):
the floor, so you've got to read whether they're switching
or they're not. And there are times where you know
Mike Malone will go out because he doesn't have another choice,
and he'll make Yo Kitch have to switch and he's
been barbecue chicken. And you know we've seen highlights the
whole year when dinm does lose, it's Jokic with the
guard guys on the perimeter, and you know it can

(21:07):
get ugly.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
Well, and that's the one thing for this series in
terms of being able to draw him out, because that's
not bam Adebayo's game. And I think you know you
call him Mike. I call him Michael because I fear
audio getting back and I'm going to get that urse
uh terse response in that big stare, so you're friendly
if he's if.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
He's listening, I call him coach because I played for you, guy,
I played. I wouldn't call him, You're right, I would
call him. I'm calling him here. And now, if if
I saw Coach Malone, I say hey, Coach.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
I just say it.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
He's gone.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
After folks with the Michael thing before the Michael versus
Mike Caleb Martin missed practice and everything yesterday. Uh il
he was one of seven strews oh for ten, oh
for nine from three point range. Uh and then Duncan Robinson.
Uh there was one shot in particular, did it like
he's catching shoot all the way right? One of six

(21:57):
hit his first shots like all right, cool, he's on
and then he was awful. And he had one that
he bricked so badly after avoiding a defender that if
they were crashing the board, that could have been a catastrophe.
That's how hard that ball came off of the lower backboard.
But when you shoot two of twenty three, that's ture.
You need help. But I thought Michael Malone as stuteley

(22:21):
and he's coach of a high powered team for a reason,
Because if we're gonna give up twenty six points to
bam Adebayo on twenty five shots, we've won, right. I mean,
at the end of the day, if he's got to
do that and that's the efficiency you're getting and he's
not getting to the free throw line and they're not
able to muck things up down low, and we could

(22:44):
go back. I don't know that there was anything egregious, Ryan,
But they did shoot nearly sixty shots inside the arc,
so it seems just by accident you would have had
a couple more files called. But you're a big man,
you can and you call the game for the Rockets.
You can tell me if I'm off base there. So

(23:05):
that's one that just left me scratching my head. But
certainly point of emphasis going forward. But to Malone's point
about at a BYO, if he's going to take that
many shots and that's the efficiency level, I think you're
feeling pretty good if you're the Denver Nuggets.

Speaker 3 (23:19):
No, you do. And here's the thing.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
Defensively, what you want to do in today's NBA, and
especially against a team like Miami, what you do is
you force contested twos. That's the lowest percentage shot in
the NBA. Obviously you can probably say contested three. But
you want to run those shooters off the line. And
then you want to have to have them have to
make shots over your hand. And I know this is
going to sound crazy, but when you take an NBA

(23:45):
player and you make them have to score over your
contested hand, a lot of guys can't do it. A
lot of guys are looking for open shots. So defensively,
you run them off the three and you force those
contested twos, and you're going to say, hey, Bam, you
know we're gonna contest your jumpers, but we're gonna concede him.
We're not to the point where we have to absolutely
take it away and you're in a pick your poisoned

(24:08):
type of scenario. And because Jokic will play in the drop,
which means he's not at the level, he'll kind of
sack back. Those are the shots that are available because
he's saying, well, Bam, I know you're gonna be dunking
all over me if I get out of position. So
you're gonna force those, you know, those floaters, the fifteen footers,
and he can make those shots, but they're gonna say, well, Bam,
can you make them like Jimmy Butler makes them? Are

(24:29):
you gonna go out and score fifty points? Because it's
gonna take a Bam out of Bio fifty point outing
before we go out and figure that, we've got to
switch our defense around to guard you, you know, And ultimately,
I don't think it's on Bam. I think Jimmy Butler's
got to be the guy that draws too man. But
I mean, he's got his work cut out.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
No, and that's it right. He was six or fourteen
in the game, a minus seventeen, finished with just thirteen points.
But as we started the show, Ryan and talking about
the way this team teams built all the undrafted players,
because those are some of the cool narratives that you
start getting into again and offering hope to some of
those youth parents out there the more they see of it.

(25:10):
But just the idea that you've got a couple of
stars in Butler and at a bio and I've heard
a lot of conversation because we love to rank stuff
and decide which bucket we're putting guys in. I don't know,
effective team basketball is effective team basketball. And that's the
Miami Heat. As much as folks want to denigrate the

(25:30):
word culture, I think it's something to hold up in
a day and age where everything's so portable and guys
move all over. I mean, how much do you hear
Jimmy Butler talk about how much he loves Miami and
what they're building there, as opposed to feeling like it's
going to be torn apart at the next turn, like
so many other NBA teams along the way, but trying

(25:54):
to find that secondary answer to your point about you know,
shooting over guys flashing towards the perimeter. If Martin Streuss
and going back to Duncan Robinson and Tyler hero I
have no idea what to expect here, right being cagy
about his availability. We get the shots of him at practice, etc.

(26:16):
As a guy who still you remember I had that
broken hand and surgery and everything. It's still is very
tender to the touch a full year later. Can only
imagine what Tyler Heroes going through at this moment. But
unless those guys catch a little bit of fire, and
they were a low scoring team in the regular season
as it were, as many things as we can point

(26:37):
to from the box score or flow of the game
from towards the stretch run from Miami, they are gonna
give you a full forty eight minutes. But unless those
guys start catching fire from three in this in this series,
it just doesn't seem like they have enough firepower to
keep up.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
Yeah, no, it's gonna be tough. And the problem is
is Miami can out Miami. Just They've out Miami just
about every team that they played. When I say when
I when I mean out Miami, they've out tough teams.
They out tough Milwaukee, They definitely out tough to Boston.
They just they played hard, they defended, and they let

(27:15):
the other teams implode. But the thing is Mike Malone
and company they built culture over there too.

Speaker 4 (27:21):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
He's able to scrutinize his stars. You see, he'll be
critical of Murray, be critical of Jokic to you know,
some people's dismay. But Mike Malone is saying, we're tough too.
You're not gonna just out out tough us. That's not
gonna work. And I think that's where Miami's kind of
struggling because they're going, man, not only do they have Jokis,
they got kind of stars like they're disciplined also, so

(27:44):
what's you know, what is going on here? You know?
And that's making that tough outing where Miami was just
kind of finding a way because they were able to
frustrate you know, Boston per say and say, well, Jason Tata, man,
we're holding you to five points, we're holding you to
eight points. Are you gonna be a pastor? Are you
gonna or you're gonna do those other things. And you
know he played great, but it kind of got out

(28:04):
of the you know, the team DNA or you're you're
forcing guys to do things they don't want to do.
And a team like Denver is selfless. They don't their
star doesn't care if he gets the points or doesn't
you know where other guys may.

Speaker 3 (28:17):
Uh, you know, their.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Team doesn't work functional, functionally or properly. If you're not
getting the points where you say I can have five
points in more, Murray can go, well, I'm not ten points,
but if you need me in the fourth quarter, I'm ready.
I'm not going to press anything. So when you win championships,
you have to be able to win and play different styles.
And Denver doesn't mind playing, so they don't mind grinding

(28:39):
with you. Or if they got to score, they got
two guys who can actually put them up man and
and and that's what's becoming tough right now for Miami.
You're watching that they're not you know, they're not folding
at these in these opportunities.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
Well, just remember, got to pay your dues. You want
to sing the blues, you know it don't come easy
because It's not always gonna flow, no question about it.
And that's the one thing about the Heat that's been
fun to watch. And I think Michael Malone keeps raising
his hand to say, hey, hey, we do the same
things over here. Don't forget about me just because you
don't watch us in Mountain time. See he's Ryan Hollins

(29:16):
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(29:38):
the big emotional roller coaster that is Dodgers Yankees here
to talk about it all. It's Mancy belangyas with what's trending? Hi,
Mantzi Hi.

Speaker 5 (29:47):
I was like, am I the emotional roller coaster? Is
that what he said? I really was like it. Use right.
I'm a little tired today.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
I'm kind of.

Speaker 5 (29:57):
Doing a double duty between Fox and Dodgers. The Yage
series so a little tired day.

Speaker 4 (30:02):
And I walked in looking a little tired today, and
so I really was like.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
I was trying to rally, and she looked at me
like I was insane. I thought she was gonna kill me. Right,
you should have seen this. You should have seen the
video of it.

Speaker 5 (30:16):
Oh, it's early, it's early, fellas yes.

Speaker 4 (30:19):
Game two of the NBA Finals tips off tonight at
a PM Eastern time. Michael Malone yesterday said that he
was actually not happy with Game one, even though the
Nuggets won. He said that they that he doesn't think
the team played well and that he reminded them if
you think Max Truez is gonna go oh for nine
and that Duncan Robinson is gonna go one for five again,
you are wrong. He also mentioned that they need to

(30:41):
play better defense in the fourth quarter, giving up thirty
points to Miami. So he was not happy even though
they won.

Speaker 5 (30:48):
And you mentioned it.

Speaker 4 (30:49):
Caleb Martin missed practiced yesterday with an illness, but it's
not a COVID related situation, so hopefully he's okay for
a Game two. No update yet. The Stanley Cup Final
began on Saturday night. It was the Panthers taking on
the Golden Knights. The Panthers scored their first goal in
less than ten minutes into the game, but it did
not matter. Vegas came alive.

Speaker 5 (31:09):
They won.

Speaker 4 (31:09):
Game one, five to two was the final score in
Major League base by Yes, the Yankees are visiting the Dodgers.
It's a three game series. Game one was all Dodgers.
Aaron Judge in Game one went zero for.

Speaker 5 (31:20):
Four, so you know he had to step up his
game for Game two.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
Weld one hit in the air deep down the left
field line.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
It is god home run. Alan Judge has left the building.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
Judge with a longliner number nineteen on the season for
the captain. Yankees are going yard here in Hollywood. It's
five to one.

Speaker 5 (31:40):
Bombers Yankee's radio networking on the call.

Speaker 4 (31:43):
The final score was Yankees six Dodgers three. There's game
three today. Aaron Judge also had a ridiculous catch. I
don't know if you guys saw it. He literally broke
the fence over in the right field right at the bullpen.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
That's six seven and a lot of speed running.

Speaker 5 (31:59):
You can't get right exactly exactly exactly, So I'm not
mad at it. I was like, yeah, that dude can't stop.
Of course, not the best even baseball. The Race split
their double header.

Speaker 4 (32:08):
On Saturday against the Red Sox, losing Game one eight
to five after Boston came back scored six runs in
the sixth inning, But it was Tampa Bay who came
back in the second Game one thanks to a tie
breaking two run double by Harold Ramirez in the ninth inning,
and the Rays defeated the Red Sox four to two.

Speaker 5 (32:24):
Back to you guys, thanks, I'm waking up. I'm waking up.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
It's all good. Sunday mornings. You know, they come in
and the guys have been here overnight. Monsie comes in, like,
come on, we get to do great things today.

Speaker 5 (32:37):
We did alone, Not not exactly, but yes.

Speaker 6 (32:42):
Well I can't say I can only say so much
on the air wings because we always appreciate the infectious
energy and laughter.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
So just trying to bring that out ry. Yeah, like
sometimes it needs a little bit of coaxing.

Speaker 5 (32:55):
Love it, love it, no problem, get it.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
Well, that's of stuff and got us a tight browler
a coffee.

Speaker 5 (33:03):
Yeah, that's probably what I need it to do.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
You know what I might might need to call to
the bullpen and get someone to go get us safe.

Speaker 5 (33:08):
I support that. I support all those decisions.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
Let's see if we can figure that out. That's Monsei Belagas.
Mike Carmen, Ryan Hollins with you here live Fromthetyraq dot
com studios, and coming up next we'll stay with in
the NBA Finals. Talk a little more about Michael Malone
since you know him so well. Ryan. In terms of
coaching style, Montsey had a couple of the quotes from
his press availability. You know, ABC, as much as we

(33:34):
celebrate all of the always be closing mentality, there isn't
always be coaching the meth to the madness. We'll talk
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with you here this fine morning, getting ready for Game
two of your NBA Finals. We've already got action overseas
on the clay as we're watching things unfold. We've got

(34:17):
some PGA rolling up in a couple of weeks Byer
and I will be live. They're gonna let me run
around the US Open. I don't think that's well advised,
but we'll see what kind of chaos I can create
their Ryan exactly now. I'm not hitting any balls, so
it's not like I'm gonna be hitting strays that that
may wound anybody. Hit them along and straight. That's why

(34:39):
I stay on the putting greens as much as I can,
less damage to be incurred there. But Michael Malone, some
of the comments during Monte Belania's update, you know, talking
about the dissatisfactor with game one, Well, yeah, you haven't won.
I believe he used a word that would be safe

(35:00):
on the radio, but it is Sunday morning, so we'll
edit it a little bit. But just saying, hey, we
haven't wont anything yet. And if you go back to
that Game one, right, to all the secondary players that
we spoke of that couldn't hit the broadside of a barn,
well you don't expect that. Again, you don't expect them
to hit at the clip right. We're trying to figure
out where water finds its level here between the hot

(35:22):
shooting and the drek that was Game one, but the
effort down the stretch, that is something that I believe
Michael Malone has seen a lot over the course of
the year with these Denver Nuggets of having a lead
and then maybe getting a little bit too comfortable. Right
spread on that game was eight and a half. There
was a little eight or eight and a half. It

(35:43):
was got a little anxious there for a minute inside
of two minutes you could see maybe someone had at
least cracked the door open with another possession and a
made shot. Well, then Miami goes down missus missus a
three the other way, and then they have another possession
and on to drive, the ball goes off the thigh.

(36:04):
So the spread gets preserved as well as the double
digit victory. But those little things of the devil in
the details, as it were, is how you become a champion,
and Michael Malone making sure that none of those are
getting left unattended.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
Yeah. The one thing you know, we've heard for a
long time, Coach Malone harp on is the consistency, And
there have been moments where the Nuggets have not been
consistent and he does not want to see his team
take a step backwards, and he knows what's at hand.
So the one thing he does ass is, you know,
there are moments where Jokic offensively may not take over,

(36:39):
he may not be as aggressive. He wants him to
stay aggressive. He wants Jamal Murray to still focus defensively
and be better because he knows what he brings to
you on offense. And you know, coach Malone knows his team.
You don't take anything from that. He knows his team.
And you know, for Eric Spolstra a lot of times,
you know, for those who don't have experienced that first
game of the playoffs, it's what you see it, Mike,

(37:02):
it's a fill out game.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
So he's saying, we're on the road. He knows Spoe's
playing with house money, and if they lose this next game,
that shifts the series. You gotta win those first two
at home. He knows how important this second game is.
And if you relax and you lose the second one, dude,
that could literally be the NBA Finals loss.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
Well, that was it going through. And I think for
Spolster and company, and certainly as we were doing it live,
Smith and I at the after game one finished, and
even as it was going on, they only had eight turnovers,
They only shot two free throws all your ancillary players.
As we talked about two of twenty three from the
guys you were anticipating making a dent in the scorecard.

(37:48):
Now at a bio. If I don't want him taking
twenty five shots in any game, right, that's one of
those If I see that again, I will I'll assume
the loss there. If he's got twenty five shots Ryan,
either that or they have dominated the glass to a
ridiculous proportion.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
Well, Bam is better finishing, but he has to be
extremely aggressive in this series because he's got to make
Yokic work. But you're right, you want Jimmy Butler taking
over and distributing and Bam catching those libs, getting behind
the defense and knocking down open shots. You want him just,
you know, doing just about everything. But if you're gonna
ask Bam just to score, that means your shooters aren't

(38:29):
getting looks. That means the ball is likely not moving
because everything is slowing down. But you know, hey, that's
part of playoff basketball right now. So you're absolutely right.
You know you are gonna say, hey, go out and
beat me, you know, beat me with your offense.

Speaker 3 (38:44):
Bam.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
And that's no disrespect to say he can't score to basketball,
but it's he does so many other things that make
this team good.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
Ryan Hollins with me here, Mike Garmin, Fox Sports Radios,
Fox Sports Sunday. A lot of activity on the sidelines.
We'll figure out whether Ryan Hollins is going to join
a staff here at some point. That's one of the
Archie questions. But the sound you may hear faintly in
the background is the backup of a truck. You know

(39:14):
that you're piercing beep, beep, beep, And that's the Brins
truck that's showing up for Monti Williams and heading eventually
the moving trucks to take him to Detroit. So much
in the coaching carousel, assistant coaches and new hires, well
some of the same old names just in different places.
What does it all mean to the carousel of the

(39:36):
NBA for twenty twenty three, twenty four. We'll start getting
into that coming up next hour at Swallendome. Where you
find me at the Ryan Hollins over on Twitter. We
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Ryan Hollins with me here. Ten years in the league,
working around the league, coaching some AAU He's at every level,
and doing a podcast now talking about the introductory years

(40:23):
to the NBA lifestyle. What's the guests that really opened
your eyes on your podcast?

Speaker 3 (40:30):
Ryan oh Man, goodness, you.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
Just had that whoa what did you just say? Kind
of moment.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
Austin Rivers was really good man. I like what Austin
had to say. I got a guess I hadn't revealed
coming up, but I got some cool stuff coming I'll
say that, but I'd say, Man, Austin was really good Man.
And you know, I'll say one of those things with Austin.
Don't be surprised you hear it from me. If he

(41:01):
wants to go into media like when he finishes like
he can do it like, don't be surprised. And obviously
being we talked about Doc earlier, being Doc's son, he
knows how to speak. But all sure, Austin's really good man.
He's really good at what he does, not just basketball,
but he's very intriguing man.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
He can he can talk.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
So it's the Rookie Life iHeartRadio podcast that you can
find there. I had to in my brain and immediately
started syncing up to the Did you ask him about
Game seven's and what he would do? No, that's just
cruel and unusual for Austin rivers along the way, but
I mean an interesting road traveled. You know, coaches sons,

(41:45):
we sons of stars. We certainly uh talked a lot
about Scottie Pippen in the last couple of weeks as
he lashes out against his former teammate, perhaps for the
the sins of the Sun, but we'll we'll leave that
for another time. Ryan, as we float through it's Game
two of the NBA Finals later on today, game one

(42:07):
blowout scenario earlier early and then you see the fun
of the fourth quarter of a Miami's gonna play until
a final whistle and something we talked about with Michael
Malone recognizing, hey, you open the door and leave it cracked.
You know those guys are gonna come in and kick
it in. There are other teams that you wouldn't expect
that of that you expect the fold Miami, that's just

(42:30):
not who they are. But coaching really at the forefront
of things all week long, just one announcement after the
other of coaches finding new roles and assisting coaches and
their decisions. And one that really stands out is Manti
Williams heading over to Detroit six years seventy eight point
five million dollars and then with incentives and others, it's

(42:54):
estimated that it could actually top one hundred million dollars
when it's all said and done. Fifty one years old.
We had talked about him and I'd wondered aloud with
you if he was gonna end up being the fall
guy in Phoenix. And while the answer was resounding yes.
After their exit from the playoffs and I saw this
higher and some worry about the treadmill of recycling coaches

(43:19):
and all those fun things, I think this is the
perfect spot for Annie Williams, right there's expectations going forward
with a young cores, but you're not at the you
have to win now like there's a much different kind
of process to it. And he's always struck me as
a guy who not that he might not be able
to get you to the finish line. Although the unceremonious

(43:41):
exits back to back years in what were more or
less less than stellar efforts by his squad on the court.
Now you blame player, blame the coach, figure out who
gets the bigger share, a blame pie. But always seemed
to me a guy that was a good teacher and
instructor and got to help you grow. Am I reading

(44:02):
that writing.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
No you are Monty is definitely one of the best
and the one thing you know you want to read.
And I know a lot of us looking to the
numbers and his deal and congratulations at the money. By
the way, that's commitment.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
Well that's my guy up on the board. Man, he's
my new hero. I want to picture up on my
wall to look at.

Speaker 3 (44:20):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
But for a head coach in the NBA, especially with
all this turnover, it's saying commitment and you kind of
your front office when they when they pay a coach,
and they bring a coach in that number that the
coach gets and by name is the commitment saying we're
not going to fire you, or you know what, if
you do fire me, you gonna have to think twice

(44:43):
about firing me. It's not something you're gonna snap your
fingers and do. And you can kind of tell by
the deal that the coach has given, you know how
long they're going to be there, the type of power
that they have. And Detroit said, man, we're serious about winning.
We see what the Houston Rockets did giving Udoka. Do
want an excellent job over there? And I guess we
got to get serious too. So Mante's on the board.

(45:04):
We're gonna jump all over And you know, every organization
of the league probably kind of saw these firings and
some of them are going, man, what's going on? And
you got teams like Detroit saying, hold on, this is
a come up. We get a first class coach to
lead us to the promised Land. We're gonna jump all
over this man.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
Well, and that's kind of the the big thing that
pops through.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
Right.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
We talk about culture, and I think people are using
it for the heat as a punchline. Especially Game one,
its heat culture. It got dismantled. I saw tweets of
that nature a number of times, like, Okay, they lost
a game. It's not affecting who they are at the core.
It's not Hey, they're going through and they're going Nate
and ripping up the believe sign. There you go, I

(45:48):
went all ted lasso on you.

Speaker 3 (45:50):
There.

Speaker 1 (45:50):
You know they're not saying, hey, I'm tearing apart everything
you are. It's like, you lost a game. Your shooters
didn't shoot well, one of your top scores is still
unavailed let due to injury. And look we're at that
point in the year where everybody's hurt. Uh and and
your stars didn't come to shine early and it got
away okay game one. But for Detroit, and I think,

(46:13):
given their great history, take nothing away from those years,
the Bad Boys, some of the later runs, some of
the one offs that were there. There's a bit of
a tax that needs to be paid as well. Right
to get a guy like Amani Williams that you believe
in to build that culture, It's going to cost a

(46:34):
little more to bring a guy in. So we start
getting into these numbers one and aim my money U
two to yours. There is the bit of a tax
to be paid by the organization if they should decide
to fire him. Right he left Phoenix, there was money
on the table, and then Detroit comes over the top
of this that all right, I got my new my

(46:54):
new gig, and you're giving me years and I got
a young core and all of these things that you
get to build a program. It's not a plug in play. Hey,
figure out how to get these two superstars to like
each other. And in Phoenix you hit a situation where
you made a trade for Kevin Durant that structurally changes
philosophically everything you were trying to do because you don't

(47:15):
have the bench anymore and depth, and now you've got
another big name to go along with others because you're
already still handling the DeAndre Ayton situation of whether he
wanted to be there and what you were going to
be able to coax out of him, And that's a
question that that goes forward still in Phoenix, Ryan, but
from Annie Williams, you're kind of giving Kurt blanche here

(47:36):
with a young team still going to have a high
draft pick and guys on the rise that you get
to bring along who I don't want to say haven't
earned it. But at the NBA level, you know, that's
not a fight you're you're having there in Detroit.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
No, No, it is different. And listen, it's it's a
players league in the NBA. And you're right at the
end of that playoff series, you looked up and you
can say that the you know, after a blockbuster trade
for Kevin Durant, they're not gonna go, hey man, it's
Kevin Durant's fault. He gotta go.

Speaker 3 (48:09):
He's out of here.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
But I mean, like, yeah, you could pick one of
the other guys maybe, but yeah, it wasn't gonna be Durant.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
No, no, and it's not gonna be the player's fault.
But you're right, you're looking in Detroit, the expectations are
get better. Bill, bring some promise here. Hey, you know,
and Monty's not going to be looked at as a
guy who hey man, you better not mess this up.
They're gonna be saying, hey, coach, what can we do
to teach us? Teach us how to play?

Speaker 3 (48:33):
Coach?

Speaker 2 (48:34):
You know, put put in the things that you did
to have success. Put him in over here and help
our guys develop. And I think what you have to
date back to with Monty also is when he took
that son's job and he went over it. It was
a young team, yeah, and they went undefeated in the Bubble,
and he brought confidence to their young players.

Speaker 3 (48:54):
They played hard for him, they believed in them.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
I think he did a great job with Anthony Davis,
even though they're you know, they weren't necessarily just just winning.
But he did a great job with Anthony Davis. And
you know, Monty's successful for that in Detroit saying we
want that, we want that, Monny Williams, don't. We don't
blame you, We understand the situation, and we want to
jump all over this because you know, you can assume

(49:18):
he's I don't know if I could say he's a
top coaching candidate, but he's definitely up there. I mean
between Bud and Doc and Manzia. I mean those are
eight first class coaches there for the taking.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
Well, let's say, yeah, Bud and Doc and Mani, Nick
Nurse who was out there, Frank Vogel who got scapegoaded
out of LA And we'll get into Frank Bogel a
little bit more because he now takes over that Phoenix situation,
but perhaps a bit the more the wiser based on
how he had to navigate things here in Los Angeles,

(49:52):
So maybe something to be from insights to be gleaned there.
But for Annie Williams, it seems like the perfect situation,
as you say, the young players, guys that have great promise.
You'll have Kid Cunningham coming back off injury. He's got
another top draft pick. You got Ivy, You've got a
guy in Wiseman. Don't know what he is at this point, right.

(50:15):
We didn't. We certainly didn't get to see it play
out in Golden State, but still an un untapped resource
perhaps that you can get and coach him up again.
Not to put it all on the Heat Nuggets series,
but Miami's all about consistency. How long Spolser's been there

(50:36):
fifteen years. One of those guys that could leave right,
one of the few coaches that you just say, all right,
he can go pick his own course if he wanted to.
But pat Riley's been there forever. Ownership, it's all stability,
and that's the preaching point down to the players. Manti
Williams has the chance at least it seems on the
surface with Ivy and all these guys, to establish that

(50:58):
in Detroit and maybe start that that ground running again
to where they're viable and it's not expected to be
in a day. And I think that's one of the
great advantages he has in taking over that situation.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
No, you know, you're right, and you know, let's let's
say like a situation like in Dallas where it was
kind of Luca or Rick Carlisle, and you know they're
gonna choose, you know, Luca essentially because we know Rick
can coach there. You're not gonna see a situation where
it's like Jaye n Ivey's like, man, it's me or Manti.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
They're gonna be like, well, we like Manti, right.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
I mean not to say it would happen, right, but but.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
We see it all the time. Right. It's all the
question of sourcing through and include your favorite NBA insider
who may or may not be tied to a highly
powerful organization and that represents high profile athletes on did
I just do that? You know you're not looking for
the sourcing of this guy's sad, this guy's disgruntled, whatever,

(51:57):
because they haven't earned that yet. And if they do.
It was on MANI Williams watch, so he's got he'll
get credit for the players. These guys became so that,
you know, Superstar wins out thing may not work the
same in Detroit as it would in so many of
these other spots, including the one he just left.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
Yeah, the story will be, Hey, guys, go go work
it out, Go figure it out, you know, go go
work harder in practice. Okay, it won't be Oh, you're
not big on Monty, Well we'll get him out of here. Man,
what do you think? No, it's the power is going
to be there. And I think I'm excited for Monty.
I think there's nothing like getting an opportunity knowing that

(52:37):
you're wanted. Hey, I feel that way working with the
Houston Rockets. Man, I'm a static. It's the you know,
the first time I've had a real commitment, you know,
on this side of things, broadcast wise. So you know,
I love where I'm at and you know, wouldn't trade
it for anything. So I think I understand the excitement
for Monty. And you know, maybe a lot of people

(52:58):
didn't see that coming, but you're pre shape the commitment
and you're looking at a day and age where there's
not a lot of commitment to the coaches. Man, they're
they're quick, no matter what's going on with the players
or the front office, the coaches out of there right well,
and that's just sing commitment, right.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
Well, that's why you're fighting for as high a guaranteed
dollar amount as you can knowing and especially given some
of the circumstances if there's a star player or two
or three attached that you're going to lose any any
power battle within the organization. You're just not winning that.

Speaker 3 (53:34):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
And so now you have a situation whereby Mani Williams
is set up well, I mean you look at Inaodoka
in his new role, same thing takes a gig, very
young roster expectation, just get us better, get us competitive build,

(53:54):
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a minute. It kind of brings back the conversation we
had about youth sports a little bit earlier, and it
involves one I guess he's now a former quarterback saying well,
I'm not doing it anymore, and you know what, maybe
my kid won't either. We'll talk about that next year.

(54:36):
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is where we emanate from this fine morning story. I
wanted to get to a little bit again owing to

(55:20):
people getting into their tournament time, maybe some travel ball
into the summer, etc. And those expectations. Well, Tom Brady
has been rumored for for a long time of all, right,
where's he gonna pop up next as a player, and
doing everything he can to push away notions that will
play again, right, becoming part owner of the Las Vegas Raiders,

(55:43):
And then you had story after story about the health
and waivers and everything going on with Jimmy Garoppolo's contracts,
Like wow, it opens the door, and it's like maybe
that door is always open, And for me, Ryan, part
of it is I have to hope that it's still
open because the longer Tom Brady's around, I don't feel
as old, right, all of these guys reason, well, yeah,

(56:08):
all these because my kids graduating high school this later
this week. So that's that. So there's another miles don't
feel old. The younger one's gonna be fifteen at the
end of the month. She's at the point where it's like,
beat it, old man. I got a lot of stuff
going on. I don't need you round, so old man.
And likewise, everybody's junior junior, and oh my granddad played

(56:31):
in the eighties, Like no, I can't have this. I
open a pack of baseball cards and a guy's born
in two thousand and four. That's problematic. So the longer
Tom Brady holds on and fights off father time and
Lebron James continues to show up on a court and
paints his head, so he's got a hairline of varying
level on a given day, that's better for me.

Speaker 3 (56:55):
I mean, how far do you want this thing to go?

Speaker 1 (56:58):
So long as he's not quarterback thirty two, I still
think he could play, But I do understand that at
some point, you know, you clap your hands before the
maybe before the ride crashes, right, And I think that's
where we're at with Tom Brady. But he was talking
with ESPN. I hope you know he finds things in

(57:19):
life talking about his son Jack. He's fifteen years old.
He's a quarterback. And look, we watched this all the time, right.
The following in the footsteps and the expectations. You talked
earlier about your podcast discussion with Austin Rivers, and from
an early age, right, the expectation is, oh, well, your
dad played in the NBA, your dad was good in

(57:39):
the NBA. You're going to grow up and well you're
gonna play in the NBA. And then Austin had to
take all the slings and arrows from folks talking about
nepotism and all those other things to prove he could play.
And I mean that's part of the psychology and the
the battling through. Brady, when asked about his son, said
he'd like to see him go in a different direction quote,

(58:01):
I hope you find things in his life that allow
him to get up every day to be motivated to
work hard at something he loves to do. And then
ask specifically related to football, quote A lot of it.
I wouldn't choose for him to do that because there's
too many crazy expectations that people would put on them,
most of them probably very unfair, actually, And it's like

(58:22):
the billion dollar question of all of it, right, a
lot of folks, And I've certainly had plenty of songs
in my playlist from the singers and songwriters of the
seventies and eighties to today. Sound like I'm programming a
station there, Ryan, Maybe I can on the iHeartRadio app,
which you can take us and listen wherever you're heading
out on this Sunday. But of all those, hey, I

(58:43):
want to pass down this legacy, whether it's the business
or maybe something that you did growing up in Chicago.
A lot of people that I grew up with their
dads were police officers or firefighters, and guess what they
became belief, police officers and firefighters city down the line. Likewise,
when we go into the playing field, you know, we

(59:04):
go back when we had the great chance of seeing
the Griffies on a field together and things of that
nature where it's always all right. Next, I mentioned Michael
Jordan's son earlier. Well, he's hanging out with Scotty Pippins x.
So we always take anything Scotty says about Michael with
a great assault at this point with that being one

(59:25):
of the factors. But the expectations on the Jordans as
they got towards college age were amens. And then we
look at what's going on with Brownie James. Whatever it is,
eight million dollars in earnings from nil, that's all fine
and good, but people are suddenly expecting him to sprout
to a six to seven beast as he goes through

(59:46):
a year or two of college, and he's always gonna
be compared to the old man. I can only imagine
what it's like being Brady's kid or any of this
kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
Ryan, No, it's it's gonna have to be tough. And
I think just need professional athlete their kid, you know,
finding the motivation. Uh, it is tough. And that's so
I told Austin, you know on the podcast you go
check it out. It was just you're not supposed to
be this hunger. You're not supposed to be this motivated,
Like what's wrong with you?

Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
Do?

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
Like it is rare and it and it's funny that
people go, oh, you you only got the opportunity you're
because your your dad is a coach, just and that
could that have helped them?

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
Of course it might not herd getting in the in
the door, but at some point you got to earn
it to keep it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
Well, Well, how about this. Do you know how many
coaches there are, how many NBA coaches there are, and
do you know I likely all their sons have tried basketball.
Do you know how many have made it? No, you
make it because you're good? Do you stick around because
you're good? Is it gonna give you opportunity? Sure, it'll
give you a nod over the next guy, But you
gotta be good. You're not just gonna get a you know,

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get a pass because of it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
NBA Rookie Life the podcast. Uh, you can find that
their NBA dot Com in the full page up as
you go through the archives, they've got a cool notebook
logo that they've put up there for you, Ryan. It
looks it looks really nice, really polished at the Ryan Hollins.
Also on Twitter for Ryan's thoughts on what's going on,
as well as links to the archives and everything he's

(01:01:16):
got popping there. But you know, there is also the
I want to prove that I earned this on my
own too. Right. It's one thing to say, hey, I'm
gonna be get my shot in the door, and that's
for any anything.

Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
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Vogel has himself a new job here in the NBA.
He's taken over in Phoenix, and one of the big
storylines to follow here is Kevin Young, who was considered

(01:02:13):
for that job and was being looked at for some
of the others in the process. He's going to stick
around and it looks like he's going to get two
million a year as an assistant. He was the assistant
head coach, and now you have this coordinator that goes
along with Vogel. We know about his defensive acumen. We
watched it in the bubble. You need to buy into

(01:02:34):
what he's selling. And unfortunately, going back to the coaching
side of thing, doesn't matter if you win a title
or a Coach of the Year or anything. It's all
about the cycle and if the stars or the system
decides it's time for a change. And Vocal ousted in
Los Angeles now finds himself in another situation. But I've

(01:02:56):
got to think that having worked with ad Lebron and
the machine that that was and all of the political
wranglings of the Lakers. Has him well equipped for this
next gig.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
You're right, you hit it right on the head. And
with the hand that Frank was dept he went and
won a championship. Like whatever you want to say, he
went out and won a championship. In that situation, Hey,
he was very close to being the Rockets head coach.
He was right there in the running. So Frank doing

(01:03:27):
a good job. Happy for him, and you know, like
you said, however you want to you know, manager, look
at it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
He's won a championship. He's done it, he's proven it.
He's done it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
As you mentioned, with stars, and there's a lot of
stars over with the Suns now. They are really loaded
loaded up. So hey, defensively, you hope that Frank can
bring it together. He knows how to deal with personalities,
and when it comes to coaching star players, it's more so, Hey,

(01:03:57):
how do I motivate these guys? How do I work
with them? It's not in the NBA's we're noticing, Hey,
my way or the highway. That's not the type of
coaching that you get. And Frank understands that, and I
believe that's a large part and why he was hired
there with the Sons, and you know, he's a heck
of a coach, but he understands it. You may not
be wrong as a coach, but if you're not on

(01:04:18):
the same page with your player when it comes to
the NBA, you are wrong. And that's the first part
of the job. And like we said, Frank, because of
the experience in LA winning a championship, working with Lebron,
and with all due respect, it's probably not easy coach
and Lebron, you know, it's not the worst thing. He's
that strong of a personality. He's that smart where if

(01:04:39):
you say something that might not make sense, or you
make a call that may not make sense, he's smart
enough to look at you and be like, now we're
not doing that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
You know that's not He.

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
Has the ability to do it. Yes, right, he's earned
that clout. Folks may not like it, right, certainly George
the back end and not to relitigate the final minutes
of that that game that they were bounced from the
playoffs against Denver, but the reality is a lot of
those were Lebron decisions. Those were not going to be
Darvin ham decisions. I had the decision to run the

(01:05:12):
clock down and then suddenly trigger a play with four
seconds left on the shot clock was not what Darvin
Ham had in mind, right, that the ball would suddenly
come out of the Lebron's hand not because it was forced,
but because he chose to try to trigger another play,
or that he couldn't get a shot off. Yet Darvin
Ham was the guy getting blasted in the post. You

(01:05:34):
know some of those sacred cow kind of scenarios that
we have. And don't get me wrong, you know, Lebron
has his share of detractors and some that dance around
at every turn and have made their millions off it,
and that's fine, but realistically we know that the coach
is going to be on the losing end of that
scenario most of the time. I asked this and it's
a conversation that we should continue with. Next to here,

(01:05:55):
Ryan is what's he coaching when it comes to the
fall here of twenty twenty three in the desert? A
lot of star power? How many will remain? Shuffle up
and deal creating your buy in? What's the elevator pitch?
Ryan Hollins is going to put on a suit and
he's going to get the PowerPoint presentation together next here
on Fox Sports Radio, Welcome back in Fox Sports Radios,

(01:06:22):
Fox Sports Sunday fired up here as NBA Finals Game
two approach, we start getting a little bit of a
Sunday morning hindle from the golden pipes of Frank Sinatra,
Mike Harmon, Ryan Hollins here with you talking a little

(01:06:43):
bit Phoenix Suns And it's funny for some of you.
If you're listening on the iHeartRadio app, probably heard the
promo of Smith and I talked about at the lebron
v Kevin Durant, where would you rather be promo going on?
Maybe you heard that one a little bit, Ryan, And
if you want to weigh in on that, that is
perfectly your right to do so at the Ryan Hollins

(01:07:04):
on Twitter. Yeah, each comes with their individual set of
circumstance and point of view and highs and lows. I
think when you get into the superstar realm. But for
Frank Vogel, how many of the four stars he's got
assembled there in Phoenix remain with this squad when it's
all said and done. You got Booker. He's your rock solid, young,

(01:07:26):
ascending guy that people first saw and got excited about.
You got Kevin Durant who comes in via trade and
you gave up a lot to get him. And then
you have the enigmas that are Chris Paul and DeAndre Ayton,
all the rumors before last season of eight and perhaps
wanting out. Is he with them when they break camp
in the fall?

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
I assume that he would be, But you're right, you know,
everything leading up to the season was that he was
being shopped. You know, they were looking to move on
from him, They were looking to move on from Chris Paul.
And obviously it hadn't happened, but that that is, that
is a reality, and those question marks are going to
have to be answered, and it was.

Speaker 3 (01:08:08):
It was intriguing. I've never seen anything like it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
The Suns go out and they go from trying to
move on from Aiden and Paul and they say, you
know what, forget it, We're keeping them both and we're
about to go all in.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
Right, no interesting, right change of ownership. We talk about
HbA coming in and he hires Vogel. You're able to
retain your top assistant, right, investing there for continuity. But yeah,
making that huge push to bring in Kevin durand I
mean he was available, shiny object, shiny superstar, a lot

(01:08:41):
of draft picks, a lot of players that went back
the other way.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
Yeah, and you know, depending on the situation, it's it.
This is like a very intriguing time for superstars in
the NBA. And I say that because you've seen a
lot of guys you know, finally get shipped out and
they're it's like this, this kings a ransom that's given
in multiple first round picks and uh, you know deals.

(01:09:07):
And that's a big thing that we've seen in the
NBA today. And there may be a market or a
team like an OKC that says, Okay, we'll take aiden,
we can do it. We have the leverage to go
out and you know pick him up. We have the
you know, you know, the space to do it. So

(01:09:29):
I'm intrigued to see what this offseason looks like. And hey, man,
if you're the Suns, there's a level where you're looking
at it and just say, man, run it back, or like, hey,
look at Miami, let's go get some undrafted guys. Let's
go get some guys out of front and see that
can feel those spots.

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
It's funny you said that, well, we'll get into free
agency because I mean, that's the other thing we love
to do and I and I love and I hate
it because I'm part of the problem here being part
of these sports media. But we talk about next year
before this year starts.

Speaker 3 (01:09:58):
I e.

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
We were looking ahead to protect me trades and free
agency moves before they tipped off ahead back in October. Right,
And this year there are so many names and rumors
and conjecture about guys staying together, who gets along, who doesn't.
One coaching decision that got made this week that we Okay,

(01:10:19):
he's got the job, but who's he coaching next year?
We'll talk about that in the Eastern Conference coming up
here in about ten minutes as we get back into
NBA Finals talk as well. But to that point, for
Frank Vogel, right, you're also managing to all right, I'm
probably only getting my stars to play what three quarters
of the games if I'm lucky. When we talk about

(01:10:41):
Durant and certainly Chris Paul, you expect Devin Booker still
to give you and shoulder a lot of that load.
But he missed time this year. So no guarantees and
not that there are ever any guarantees with any of that,
you can get all philosophical. It is a Sunday morning.
So if you get heading into a service, you know,
say an extra one for us, we'll do the same.

(01:11:03):
But it's those kinds of things that we you know,
it takes a village to get through. But for Phoenix,
one of the big things that was glaring was the
heavy minutes. Guys, we're gonna need to play once they
got rid of their bench debt, Ryan, and you can
get away with it to a degree, and we know
it shortens and the bench shortens that deeper you get
into playoff. We're watching a couple of teams. There're certainly Denver.

(01:11:26):
They're only running seven or eight guys out at this point,
but during the course of the year you're gonna need
a lot more bodies to try to steal you some
games along the way if your stars are gonna miss.
And so I think that's one of the great challenges
there in Phoenix, not only for the roster construction, but
then pulling the strings. If you're Frank Vogel, recognizing the

(01:11:46):
ebb and flow of a long.

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
Campaign, yeah, you're you're right, And that is something that's
not spoken about. So the front office is going to
have their work cut out. Now here's the good problem.
The good problem is the impossible is to go out
and get a guy like Kevin Durant seven feet tall,
wos arguab be the greatest score, greatest score now, greatest player,

(01:12:08):
greatest score up all time.

Speaker 3 (01:12:09):
You can argue that talent wise.

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
I love it eight seven seven No, at the Ryan
Hollins at Swollen Home. You can do that. Let's go.

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
You can argue if you like it, and and that's fine.
But here's the thing. You just have to get role
players that fit. And if I'm a guy, they got
shout out to my guy Terrence Ross, they went out
in the offseason or excuse me, the in mid season,
and they can say that's an easy pitch saying, hey,
you want to win a championship, We just need a
guy to play defense and hit an open shot that

(01:12:40):
could be you, you know, and go out and try
to sign those guys in free agency. So I think
it's a it's a great problem to have if you're
Frank Vogel. But the toughest part is to get those guys.
The second toughest part is to get them to work
together and I think that's the big part from Frank Vogel.
He doesn't have any other job other than to go

(01:13:00):
out and make it work.

Speaker 1 (01:13:02):
He's going to have to go back and watch all
those early seventies cartoons like The super Friends to figure
out how that's going to work. Who's at the head
of the table, who's making it work. But the other
part that we know all too well with the NBA anymore,
is is just get to the dance right, Just get

(01:13:22):
punched in and get your ticket in and just be healthy.
Right the understand I mean, it seems obvious, but just
the reality and as much as folks want to bemoan
load management, if it's going to mean the stars are
there and ready to battle, come the playoffs, everybody wins.

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
And that's why those free agent pickups are going to
be key. You may have to go and get a
guy that can lead a team on any given night,
or find a young guy, or find one of those
you know, you know free agent, you know, undrafted specials
that can come out and get it done.

Speaker 3 (01:13:55):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:13:56):
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(01:14:18):
tire buying should be coming up about fifteen minutes. We'll
dive back into the x's and oh's. How does Miami
get back in to the good graces of NBA fans
who want a long protracted series, how do they? How
does the culture rise up? And I know I use
that term, and I've got to be careful with it.

(01:14:39):
Mike Garmin, Ryan Hollins with you here on a Sunday. Ryan,
so far, we're halfway home, we're cruising along. We're talking
a lot about coaches making big money, and I'd be
remiss by didn't ask if eventually, you know, out of
your media pulpit, having played the league bit around the league,
coached a bit at AAU, that is that an its
you want to scratch at some point.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
I don't plan on doing another job the rest of
my life than what I'm doing with the Houston Rockets.

Speaker 1 (01:15:06):
Is that is that because you're worried they're listening.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
Right now, or no, I would listen. What more could
you ask for? It's true, I'm I'm a former player
and I'm still around the game and I get to
talk about basketball. Why why would I want to do
anything else?

Speaker 1 (01:15:22):
No, it's me, the short, stocky, balding man who was
slow of foot, never got a second growth spurt. Yet
I've been able to make a career being in and
around sports. No, I get that. I fully understand exactly
your mentality.

Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
Listen, I'm the guy whenever I gambled, whatever I played,
I'd be very modest with my hands and i'd go
and at the end of the night. Let's say I
lost money, right, let's say I had you know, I'm
never gonna. I would never, you know, take more than
I could afford, go double down on black or red,

(01:15:55):
and you see if you win there. Now, do not
take my advice. It's just how conservative I am. If
I get my money back, I'd take my money out,
I walk home even and if I don't, I'd double
down again black are red, And then you know, I'd
wait and play the percentages, let one side hit you know,
a few more times than the other, and then you

(01:16:16):
get out of there.

Speaker 3 (01:16:17):
You go home.

Speaker 1 (01:16:18):
Yeah, that was always the philosophy when we used to
make the short track. When I worked at Yahoo, there
were a lot more. Hey, let's just up and go
to Vegas. We're gonna sit in a meeting room all
day anyway, we might as well do it around a
craps table or whatever at a pool side. So we
used to do these day trips. And the old rule
of thumb for us was, all right, you're as soon

(01:16:39):
as you maybe started to stack chips a little bit,
make sure that the money that you brought to start
went back into one of the pockets and was never
seen again. And then if you lose the rest of it,
no worse for the wear, and you had your entertainment,
and back then a free drink or two, which is,
you know, much harder to come by these days.

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
Yeah, yeah, it's the long run. You don't, you don't
need to come out rich. So to say this, I'm
happy where I'm at, I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:17:08):
I don't. I think I'd be silly to want to
do anything else.

Speaker 1 (01:17:12):
No, I I understand that. Not to mention the riggers
that coaching brings. I mean, you you experienced that as
a player for so many years, right, rest, recovery, taking
care of your body. You being a seven footer, uh,
needing to eat in an ornament inordinate amount of stuff.
Maybe you didn't want to choke down, but you had

(01:17:32):
to to keep weight, all of those kind of processes,
whereas now you eat for pleasure and you could just
get to work as long as you look good in
the suit.

Speaker 3 (01:17:42):
I've always had a huge appetite. I can't make that excuse.

Speaker 1 (01:17:45):
I'm trying for you, but there's most seven footers at Stay.
You know what he had to eat to keep his weight.
I mean, I just think about all the tails that
we have of Sean Bradley and all those guys back
in the day. It's like, wait, he's eating what? Yeah,
he's eating lard, just large. Okay, let's get it on
all right. So coaching decision that was made, right. We're

(01:18:07):
talking about a lot of the changes, but one that's
going to continue continuity. As we talked about, a rare
commodity in sports in life, I mean in most jobs anymore,
a lot of up and go. The me again showing
my age coming out of school, it was hey, not
that you were going to be at one company forever,

(01:18:29):
but the hope was that you put in a number
of years, because otherwise, if you were job hopping that
didn't wasn't looked on favorably. Now it's hey, everybody understands,
go find your bag and go do it. And certainly
we see in the NBA owners and their fickle, fickle
way of doing business there. Maybe in however, they got
their riches, they're more pragmatic, or maybe it just works

(01:18:52):
better there, but certainly for professional sports, changing out GMS
coaches a dangerous business. In Austin, Joe Missoula gets the
the verbal and he had already gotten this, but certainly
outwardly still a lot of speculation about his job after
the loss in the Eastern Conference finals, but he gets

(01:19:14):
the vote of confidence moving forward, he's going to be
the guy. They were still on the hook. I think
it was another fourteen million dollars. Obviously a lot of
swirling rumors about the composition of that roster, Ryan, particularly
as it related to Jalen Brown, who I think he
said it as well as anybody. He was miserable when

(01:19:35):
they needed him.

Speaker 2 (01:19:38):
Yeah, Well, for one, I want to just Joe Mizoula.
I am astatic at Boston keeping him and not listening
to the critics or the oh he didn't do this,
or blame I am.

Speaker 1 (01:19:51):
It doesn't mean that the criticism was necessarily unfair, though
calling for his ouster might have been. But situationally, they
they did.

Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
I ain't in the locker room. I'm not sitting there
breaking down film. And I think as fans, you look
up and you do that, and I and I and
I don't. I don't think unless you put in the work,
it's not fair to criticize. Now, if I was an
assistant coach, I was there, I was breaking down a
lot of film, or I knew something from Miami side
and said, yeah, Missoula dropped the ball there. I don't

(01:20:22):
think it's fair to blame him. I don't know what
he was preaching in the locker room. I know at
the end of the day they didn't win.

Speaker 1 (01:20:27):
Yeah, but it goes back to the fall guy mentality.
We're talking about that. Yeah, yeah, And on sports talk
radio it's our drop to criticize.

Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
I know, but from listen, from understanding and understanding it,
I'm gonna speak from who I am. Okay, and I'm
gonna say that I've been there in no situations. So
sometimes those blames are placed unfair. You know, Ques, you
better know from my standpoint before you criticize and say,
hey man, he dropped you better know for sure he

(01:20:58):
dropped the ball.

Speaker 3 (01:20:58):
You better know for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:20:59):
You don't just go out, you know, speculating, because I
know the stories that come to the media and I
know what's going on actually going on in the locker room.
A lot of times those are two completely different things.
But the reason, nonetheless I'm a static for Joe Missoula
to still be employed and not some impulsive decision is
why you look over and they learned something from who

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the Miami Heat, Well, they learned from the Heat. Everybody
could have blamed Sposter when they lost to the Mavericks
and said.

Speaker 3 (01:21:30):
You had Dwayne, Wayne, you had Lebron, this is.

Speaker 1 (01:21:33):
Your fault, Spostra Well, Lebron tried.

Speaker 2 (01:21:36):
To regardless of however it happened, regardless of however it happened,
whoever you want to point at, because technically, from what
we talked about earlier with Manty Williams, that was Sposter's fault.
You were supposed to take that. Lebron, Dwayne Wade, the
three Greatest Stars ever assembled in their primes and go

(01:21:56):
win and go win championship that year, and he didn't
when everything said it was Spostra's fault, and you would
have missed out on one of the greatest coaches that
we have ever seen in the NBA if you can't
Eric Spostra. And I don't know if Joe Mizzoula is
gonna end up being Eric Spostra, but I love that

(01:22:17):
you're gonna stick with him. You're gonna give him his shot,
and I do believe he's a heck of a coach.
Now I'm gonna be even better moving forward. But I
just like that you looked at the heat and you say,
you know what, you kept that Sposter guy around. He
was pretty darn good. You didn't make miss him and
escapegoat and look at what he's become. And and far

(01:22:39):
past Dawayne Wade, far past Lebron James. They have stability.

Speaker 3 (01:22:43):
Why because they stuck with Eric Spostra.

Speaker 1 (01:22:46):
I think it's the thing you should aspire to in
a front office and in managing sports. But we see
so it's so rare. Right. We do a lot of
NFL talk and you put on one hand number of
teams that you would put into that bucket when you
look at the stability and continuity of places like Pittsburgh.

(01:23:07):
Now New England's a little different because you had Belichick
and Brady that stayed for so long. Quarterbacks don't normally
run two decades in the in the NFL, but you know,
you've got so few of those, and in the NBA
we're in the same boat. We were talking about the
Lakers a little bit before Frank Vogel wins the title.
But because there's unrest and seemingly behind the scenes, if

(01:23:30):
we're to believe ten percent of what we were fed
from the insiders, sourcing, et cetera, that they weren't necessarily
on the same page in the front office, let alone
how the powerful players like lebron ad et cetera, and
their opinions on where things needed to go. So you know,

(01:23:51):
we have that kind of internal strife. And now we're
hitting another age that's adding another wrinkle to this Ryan
as we're actually seeing a little bit turnover in terms
of ownership, which also creates new variables into our algorithms
trying to calculate how this goes. For Joe Missoula, this

(01:24:13):
was just the rarefied space, or so it seemed, not
that it would have been fair necessarily to dump him,
certainly not saying that at all, but I understood the
speculation given the number of tenured coaches and accomplished coaches
that were out there for the hiring. Does that make
any sense when now so talking about a couple of

(01:24:35):
guys in Brown and Tatum, where again take what the
rumors were about their relationship with a grain of salt,
but still wondering if Missoula is the guy to get
them to bring their best. And I say that all
knowing that they lost in a Game seven of the
Eastern Conference Finals.

Speaker 2 (01:24:54):
Everything that you're saying is accurate. Everything that you're saying
makes sense, and hats off and hold on, who's up there,
you know, running things Brad Stevens, former coach, so he gets.

Speaker 3 (01:25:08):
It, you know. And and I don't think that's the
best move. I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:25:13):
I don't think that that that Phoenix, you know, necessarily,
you know, made the best move. And getting getting rid
of Monty, I think everybody kind of voiced that and
was like that was Monty's.

Speaker 1 (01:25:23):
Fault all the sudden, No, the hard part that was
Bud's fault. I mean, let me ask this about and
we had talked about it before it happened, and I
think we had a little bit of a lapse between
getting to chat about it on air afterward because I
thought the potential was there for Manni. I think the
fact that they got beat so soundly in that final

(01:25:43):
game was just a bad enough look to force the issue.

Speaker 2 (01:25:47):
The key which you said, a bad enough like like
how and objects matter exactly when do? Yeah, you had
the best record in the NBA and then all of
a sudden you just can't coach well.

Speaker 1 (01:25:58):
Right, but in a game that you need right, desperation
season on the line, your team doesn't show up fair
or not. That's going to fall on a coach even
though he doesn't. Yeah, it's doesn't put the high tops.

Speaker 2 (01:26:11):
On when you don't have Chris Paul and your team
was generated with Chris Paul in hand. Yeah, that is tough.
Like it's the optics, Like, listen, I get it. I
understand you're gonna blame them as a former player, as
a guy who understands it behind the scenes, I don't
like the optics.

Speaker 3 (01:26:29):
Let's let's please.

Speaker 2 (01:26:29):
Our fan base of now don't get me wrong with
the fan base, that's who pays the checks. But when
you win, that cures all and and you know, just
doing something to seem like you have to do something.
Me personally, I don't agree with them, But keep in
mind also I'm a former player. Okay, I'm not a
I'm not an owner. I'm not in in sales. I'm
not in those departments. So that's just my opinion as

(01:26:52):
far as optics, and I am happy that Joe Missoula
is employed. I get that somebody has to be the blame.
I get when you make a big blockbuster move and
you you know, you are kind of the suns, you're
the favorites for a championship. Someone has to go. It's
got to be somebody's fault. And I also understand from
being in those situations behind the scenes there are things

(01:27:12):
that are happening that you you don't see, and you
don't know. There's things that go on behind the scenes
and arguments and fights and he doesn't like him that
we don't know. It may may not be our business
to know, and who knows where uh you know, where
things stood. But ultimately money's in a good place. Missoula
stays put. And you know what, I am confident that

(01:27:35):
every head coach that was one of the NBA's winningest
records are gonna be employed again pretty soon.

Speaker 1 (01:27:43):
Fifty Yeah. Sure, yeah. Former exact Danny Ainge said he
thinks Missoula is a better coach than Udoka was, and
that's you know, put that into the the scorecard and
into the record as well. What I'll be curious, though, Ryan,
is with all the rumors about the assistant coaches and
how many folks will leave for Houston, how do you

(01:28:06):
fill that roster out? Is this one of those situations
whereby you go and you try to get as many
senior veteran NBA heavy weights as you can, not only
to help Missoula and maybe some of that situational stuff
that was criticized fair or not right. We heard it
from from all levels, former players, former executives, all these things,

(01:28:30):
a lot of them with the anonymous tag mixed there
in of course, because you know, you got to got
to protect your yourself in that stuff. But do you
fill it out with guys that can help in some
of that but also in the off chance that things
go awry, that you've got someone on staff that has
been through the wars.

Speaker 2 (01:28:51):
Regardless of which, you make a game plan and you
stick to it. So let's say that game plan is,
you know, hey, we don't whatever you Wherever you feel
the stresses, If you don't feel like Joe was experienced enough,
you go in bost of that you feel like you
need to relate to you know, Brown and Tatum more,
maybe you go and get some former players. You gotta

(01:29:12):
address whatever the stress is in the situation and go
make good on it.

Speaker 3 (01:29:16):
So wherever they think, and I wasn't.

Speaker 2 (01:29:18):
I haven't spoke to anybody in those Boston locker rows,
but that's where you go and address. Hey, Joe, Joe
needs some help here, man, Let's get them. Let's get
them some help, you know, Let's get them someone who's
been there before that you may need to do that. Hey,
let's get some former players. You know, they didn't really
relate to Joe. Missoula. You look over in Miami, Miami,
Sposa is gonna make sure he doesn't have an ego
in the party. He said he's gonna have Haslam a

(01:29:41):
player coach on the bench, and he's gonna go out
and get a Karan Butler, a guy who played who'd
kind of been through the fire and wore the heat
jersey so that if things are going down, he can
relate to the young players. So he says, Man, I'm
gonna make sure I'm unrelatable, you know. So, I think
there's a number of different approaches that you can have
in these situations, and I don't. And like I said,
you who are there every day in the grind, in

(01:30:04):
the fold of things, has to answer those questions. Now.

Speaker 1 (01:30:07):
I dig that you also brought up Fox Sports Radio
alumni Karan Butler. I have that on my resume that
I helped propel him into that stratosphere after doing some
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(01:30:49):
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Speaker 3 (01:31:54):
Ryan, Well you got you got that right.

Speaker 1 (01:32:00):
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All Right, all that filibustering isn't put any points up
on the board for the Miami Heat. So that's the
question I have to ask you, Ryan Hollins. Is it

(01:33:05):
wishing and hoping that those three point shots from Struson
Company start falling? Or schematically? Is there something more? Is
it about the attacking of the rim that Jimmy Butler
spoke to and try to draw falls that will be
the key for game two?

Speaker 3 (01:33:21):
Well, drawing fowls is a big key.

Speaker 2 (01:33:24):
The reason that it is is because when you get
to the hole and you draw fouls, you know it
ends up happening.

Speaker 3 (01:33:30):
You have to help, You have to commit me. Yeah,
you got to pick your poison.

Speaker 2 (01:33:34):
So keeping them off the free throw line is something
that I'm pretty sure I played for Mike Malone that
he's focusing on in the locker room. So Jimmy understands that.
And then I think it's just ball movement, it's energy.
You know, you don't want to play at the pace
of Denver. Denver gets comfortable in their pace, and on
the road you have to control pace. So you're probably
asking what is pace? What are you talking about It
means I take shots when I want to shoot, when

(01:33:56):
I want to run and transition, I get out and run.
I'm gonna play at my tempo rather than being on
my heels, you know, having to be reactive, if that
makes sense. So that's something that's big that the Heat
have to do. And Jimmy Butler, he's gonna have to
have one of those Jimmy Butler performances because right now, man, listen, Mike,
I don't know how you feel. I think he's the

(01:34:17):
most unpredictable athlete that I've ever seen in my life.
He could come out and have eight points or he
could drop fifty in the next game, and we'll be going, Jimmy.

Speaker 1 (01:34:26):
Butler, it's amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:34:27):
Where'd this come from?

Speaker 1 (01:34:29):
Well, it's the twenty four hour cycle that we live
here and live and die with in sports dog radio
and sports television. Right. Whatever the latest iteration of a
player is is how they are viewed. Very few guys
get the benefit of the long view, and even then
they earn that overtime and then maybe you get to
dismiss a bad game here and there. Jimmy Butler's not

(01:34:51):
at that point. So many folks from a national level,
and it's disappointing and a bit disheartening. And I know
you've got a lot more and I mean the collective you,
not you, Ryan Allins, but you know, in terms of
what you're trying to pay attention to in the sporting universe,
we do our best here, but we recognize a lot
of You know your local team better than we do, right,

(01:35:15):
And you know, if you live in Denver and you
live and die by the eighty two regular season games
of the Nuggets, you've seen some wrinkles in the offense, defense,
or what a player brings to the table on a
nightly basis that we don't. But what has been embarrassing
from the national perspective is to basically do the hey,
I got nothing, I've never seen these guys kind of scenario.

(01:35:38):
And we've heard that from a number of folks related
to Nicola Jokic, like he won two MVP Awards, you
weren't curious at all to go tune in and see
how that's being accomplished and what that team's doing. That's
the part of this is that's been a bit baffling
for me, Ryan, is the relative anonymity that folks are
trying to claim these guys have no, no, I think

(01:35:59):
going back to the bubble and even before then, we're
well aware of what they were able to do. They're
just now healthy and finally able to do it on
this big stage.

Speaker 2 (01:36:07):
No, you're you're right about that. And here's here's the reality.
A lot of people are not gonna watch Denver because
it's not a star driven team.

Speaker 3 (01:36:15):
That's the truth.

Speaker 1 (01:36:16):
It ain't flashy. I mean right, it's worked.

Speaker 2 (01:36:18):
But they're not flashy. They haven't won a championship. Everybody's
going you didn't know Jamal Like, Jamal Murray played well
in the bubble, and unfortunately it seemed like nobody respected
bubble basketball.

Speaker 3 (01:36:29):
That's true.

Speaker 1 (01:36:30):
It's got to thrown that year apart, haven't.

Speaker 2 (01:36:32):
We if no one respects a championship from Lebron James,
the actual champion. Do you think they're gonna be like,
man that Jamal Murray something else? Like like no, like
they they just do not feel the same way about
what happened in the bubble. But the reality is, Jamal
Murray has been good. But what we hear Mike Malone
harping on it's consistency. You know, it's consistency, it's finishing,

(01:36:56):
it's not having those lapses. So they've they've played well,
but they always haven't always finished in their moments. And
I think that's something that you're looking for to go
out and happen in Denver. And I think that that
notoriety will be there. But you know, you get your
notoriety that big name from winning a championship. Kevin Durant
became Kevin Durant win a championship. Lebron James had it

(01:37:19):
looming over his head, the championship, then he got it.
Giannest was, Oh, he's just the regular guy and we're not.
He won a championship. There were no questions. So you know,
Denver's got to go ahead and win a championship. So
for all the people, I think it was fairly advertised
of hey, we just don't believe in what's going on
there yet. And Jokic's playing at a very very high
level where in the playoffs, in the big moment, so

(01:37:42):
now he's just got to go ahead and finish the job.
Dirk Davitsky, right, Dirk Nvitsky, wasn't that chasing him for
a while.

Speaker 1 (01:37:48):
Now there's nothing to say, Yeah, He's a guy that
I think is unfortunately forgotten by a lot too. Right.
Basketball people remember Dirk, yes, and showed Dirk his proper love,
but I think from a general populace he's kind of
lost in that era because you had the dominance of
the Spurs, who nobody likes either. We're so fickle. Win

(01:38:12):
on my terms, don't just win a lot, but win
how I like you to win. So showtime Lakers or
even the Kobe Lakers in both their iterations, get so
much more love than that run that Dirk had, and
Dirk's career I think gets pushed aside, perhaps more than
it should as well. It's like the Donovan McNabb angle

(01:38:34):
I was talking about earlier. Now, Donovan didn't get the ring,
but had that sustained success in all of those ws,
and perhaps at more and more winning done by Andy
Reid will focus on that a little bit. With Dallas,
I think we need more deep runs into the playoffs,
or maybe a deep run into the playoffs at all

(01:38:55):
from Luca in company, because then we can focus back
on the heights reached by Dirk in the day, right,
we get those highlight packages back out if that happens.

Speaker 2 (01:39:04):
Yeah, and I and I played with Dirk, and you know,
I think the championship was the biggest thing. You know,
obviously those guys who getting you know, the multiple championships
get more. But I think Dirk has still looked at
as you know, aregably the greatest European player, definitely the
great is a big man, big shooter of all time.
But I think that they're just the respect is there,
like you know, you always you'd hear Dirk's name and

(01:39:27):
like yeah, but you don't hear that anymore. That that
that went away. And I think Jokic and Giannis are
two of those guys in similar footsteps where there's like, yeah,
Giannis is doing that, but is it gonna work for
a championship?

Speaker 3 (01:39:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:39:41):
It had he won his championship. Hey, how was one
was one of the guys saying it? And I said
about Yoki shoot and if Yokich finishes, yeah, But does
do those triple doubles really turn into winning? And you
can be like yeah they do yeah, or or hey,
if you need a big shot, but does he hit
the big shot? Yeah he can't.

Speaker 1 (01:40:00):
He can do that too. He'll surprise you. The one
thing and we've talked a lot, you and I and
I know Smith and I hammer on it a lot.
Aaron Gordon's had himself a fantastic run. KCP has been instrumental.
Bruce Brown not just play on the court, he also
had that cool cowboy hat after their Game one win,
so he gets extra bonus points for that. But Michael

(01:40:22):
Porter Junior, a guy who looked for the game, still
shot miserably from three point range. But taking his body
of work this year, Ryan and he's a guy that
remember coming out of college, he was going to be
the next right, he was the guy we were looking at,
and then injuries there were some scuttle button. Again, we
take it all with a grain of salt, but it's

(01:40:44):
out there. We can't dismiss it categorically. Perhaps an attitude
and work ethic early on that it seems he's found
his spot, he's found his perfect space, and he's accepted
where he's at as a player. And that's to the
great benefit of the way Michael Maloney, I'd call him

(01:41:06):
Michael gets his guys up and ready to go right.
We've certainly seen the quote all over the place and
now use as a motivational tool in the larger mental
health coaching space of Jamal Murray coming back off his
injury and Michael Malone saying, no, you're one of us, right,
You're not getting traded because there a lot of trade

(01:41:26):
rumors related to Jamal Murray as he was coming back
off injury. Was he going to stay a member of
the Denver Nuggets And it seemed like they were on
a path where maybe they were gonna have to make
a choice between him and Porter Junior instead. Now you've
got this three man game that creates the nucleus of
what is a highly functioning offense.

Speaker 3 (01:41:46):
Well, here's the thing that you have to look at
with Denbury, and I want people to remember this. They're
finally healthy. It hadn't been healthy.

Speaker 2 (01:41:55):
And I think it's hard to put those say what
a team is or they or they isn't if that,
if that even makes sense what.

Speaker 1 (01:42:05):
They are And unfortunately that we're at that point in
the NBA though, Ryan is I'm never assuming anybody's healthy
when we get to the playoffs. I'll believe it when
I see guys on the court. Mans nodding her head,
I think she just got snapped her neck. In the updated.

Speaker 2 (01:42:23):
Manzi's been mad at me lately, she's been mad at me.
But it's health and nimber and and that's what you're saying,
your supporters. Junior missed the if I'm not mistaken, the
entire year or an extent last year, we were Actually
it was actually against the Rockets. He had a fast
break and he just like his leg just gave out
and he missed significant time. That was a big knock

(01:42:45):
to him. Jamal Murray with this a c L they're
just finally just getting healthy, you know, and they hadn't
been healthy really since the bubble, and you know, you
hadn't noticed because Jokic just kind of just held it down.
And that's been a big part for those who who
have really know the game. And you know this, Mic Kau,
his MVPs are coming because whoever's in that lineup or

(01:43:06):
not in that lineup, he've been going out and getting busy.

Speaker 1 (01:43:08):
Getting his stuff done. No right, the consistency remains, and
then you get voter fatigue. No disrespect to Joel Embiid,
but those are all real factors that flow in. He's
Ryan Holland's on Mike Harmon here, Fox Sports Sunday, Fox
Sports Radio and now we turn it back over to
the aforementioned Mancy Belanyas, who will not only eviscerate Ryan
Hollands the past conversations, but you'll give us an update

(01:43:32):
on what's trending in our sporting universe.

Speaker 5 (01:43:34):
Yes, Ryan sometimes does upset me.

Speaker 4 (01:43:37):
I'm not gonna lie when it comes to clipper talk.

Speaker 3 (01:43:39):
But it's fine me Matzi.

Speaker 5 (01:43:41):
He's also a former clipper, So I can't you know
what I mean? I can't, but I can't.

Speaker 1 (01:43:45):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (01:43:46):
It's like, uh, but.

Speaker 1 (01:43:48):
How am But you hurt the ones you love the most?
Isn't that the way that works?

Speaker 5 (01:43:52):
That's true, That is true. We do have a love
hate relationship. I guess that's what it is.

Speaker 4 (01:43:57):
Novak Djokovic has won his fourth round the French Open
in three straight sets, meaning he has reached the quarterfinals
for the fourteenth consecutive year. That's the longest streak by
a man in the event's history, five years longer than
Roger Federer. So Novak Djokovic still going strong in golf.

(01:44:17):
Rory McElroy is tied for the lead at the Memorial Tournament.
He will tee off for the fourth and final round
at one thirty five pm Eastern time, while Victor Hoblin
is in a group, a group of like five, that's
one shot back.

Speaker 5 (01:44:28):
So we got a whole lot of ties going on
right now at the Memorial Tournament.

Speaker 4 (01:44:32):
Let's talk a little college softball, because Oklahoma softball advanced
to Monday semi finals at the Women's College World Series,
shutting out Tennessee nine zero. The Sooners have won a
record fifty straight games.

Speaker 5 (01:44:47):
How, I don't even I didn't even know that was possible.

Speaker 1 (01:44:51):
Guys, insanity, insanity.

Speaker 4 (01:44:53):
Right later today, Game two of the NBA Finals Everything
tips off at a pm Eastern time is the Miami
he will take on on the Denver Nuggets.

Speaker 5 (01:45:01):
You guys were talking about the Bubble here.

Speaker 3 (01:45:04):
Well.

Speaker 4 (01:45:04):
Bleacher Report tweeted this about an hour ago about what
Michael Porter Junior said was his favorite memory from the bubble,
and he said that he bul Bull and Tory Craig
would go to the pool and drink pina coladas all day.

Speaker 5 (01:45:20):
That's his favorite memory fact of Bowl Bowl.

Speaker 4 (01:45:24):
Yeah, I mean that's pretty awesome. I think I would
love to just drink pina coladas all day and then
play basketball because then you'd work it off, so.

Speaker 1 (01:45:31):
Might see if we can't get a group trip to say,
Las Vegas, and very much that I would, except for
the playing basketball.

Speaker 4 (01:45:38):
I mean we could try at the pool with the
floating balls that we could do that, we can do that.

Speaker 1 (01:45:46):
I mean, let's go, well, let's get it on.

Speaker 4 (01:45:49):
Yeah, all right, guys, And the Stanley Cup Final officially
began on Saturday night. The Golden Knights took Game one.
They beat the Florida Panthers five to two. At one
point they were tied, but Vegas came alive in the
third period, scoring three goals to win Game one. Game
two will be on Monday back in Vegas. A little
Saturday baseball action. It was Fernando Tatist Junior who homer

(01:46:10):
twice for the Padres.

Speaker 5 (01:46:12):
They shut out the Cup six to zero.

Speaker 4 (01:46:13):
The Rangers dominated the Mariners sixteen to six, a couple
of grand slams. Alex Bregman hit a grand slam for
the Astros boo. They outscored the Angels nine to six.
Blake Perkins hit a grand slam for his first career
home run, and the Brewers held on to beat the
Reds ten to eight. And of course, Aaron Judge hit
his nineteenth homer of the season, one shy of time

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Pete Alonso for the most so far for the season,
he has twenty, and the Yankees beat the Dodgers in
LA six to three.

Speaker 1 (01:46:41):
Back to you guys, rubber match later on today. Manzi
is ready ready Now in terms of that whole pool thing,
I had a bet bagels this morning. Yes, I've got
to go a month without the bagels and others and
then we can make up for it while we get
to Vegas.

Speaker 5 (01:46:56):
I love it all right.

Speaker 1 (01:46:57):
Well again, there we go. Plan the work, work the plan.
Thanks Monci, Mike and Ryan here Fox Sports or radios
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Coming up next, we take a look to the global
economics of the sport Forbes with one of their fun lists.
This time we're talking profitability and you can probably guess
who's number one. Maybe not number one in your hearts,
maybe not even in America anymore, but from dollars and cents. Well,
if they get it done, we'll talk about it next
year on Fox. Ah dancing along Fox Sports Radio is

(01:47:43):
Fox Sports Sunday. You know why we're dancing. We've added
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Sox Radio network affiliate. See mom, I made it home.

(01:48:03):
Program director Scott hecke Thorn dropped another network to flip
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what happened there. Big win for them, huge win for us.
Welcome aboard FSR family, Purias Sports Radio one to one
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bit by bit Ryan Hollins, and now we're back on
at home.

Speaker 3 (01:48:28):
That's right, that's right, and many more to come.

Speaker 1 (01:48:31):
As we talked about the White Sox a little bit earlier,
the strange circumstance of the victory yesterday with the win
over the Tigers. Hopefully the umpires are doing okay after
being struck with the ball. We're here live inthety rack
Dot com Studios, Mike Carmen, Ryan Hollins with you. We
got another hour to go. We'll get back into the
NBA Finals coming up in ten minutes. But a story.

(01:48:53):
I thought that was kind of fun. Who would you say,
based on the Forbes Profitability list, would be leading the
charge for the last three years, Ryan Hollins leading the
charge in profitability? That could be any sport as an athlete. No, no, no,
this team, team revenue, team profitability over the last three years.

Speaker 2 (01:49:18):
Team profitability. And we're just talking American sports.

Speaker 1 (01:49:23):
No right, Nope, we can go abroad as well, and
that's that's where the wrinkles kind of come into.

Speaker 3 (01:49:28):
Okay, that's it. You're trying to get me with the trick.

Speaker 1 (01:49:31):
I mean, well, the first one isn't a trick. I
gave you the tea's going into the break, so the
number one should have been a slam dunk for you.
I lobbed it up to the seven footer and said,
don't get a big man.

Speaker 3 (01:49:43):
I'm sorry, I was. I was out of it, big fellow.

Speaker 1 (01:49:46):
All right. So the Dallas Cowboys coming in at nearly
one point two billion.

Speaker 2 (01:49:49):
Dollars, Dallas Cowboys, Los Angeles Lakers.

Speaker 1 (01:49:54):
Lakers are nice Yankees. Yankees did not make the top ten.

Speaker 3 (01:50:00):
Really. Manchester Liverpool Manchester's number five.

Speaker 1 (01:50:05):
Liverpool probably top twenty five, but they did not make
the top ten. Top ten. So the Cowboys are at
one point two billion. Get this the drop from them
to number two? Number two the New England Patriots. What
being able to capitalize on the final years of Brady
and marketing and merchandising sales therein. I'd be curious to
see the books in terms of calculation. I always take

(01:50:27):
Forbes list with a grain of salt, but I thought
this one was interesting based on the composition thereof. And
the Patriots at number two was the one that had
me my interest.

Speaker 3 (01:50:36):
Peaked that I didn't see that coming.

Speaker 1 (01:50:40):
That was the one that was a bit of surprise,
right Number three Tottenham Hotspur at four hundred and fourteen millions,
So you see the dip one point two to six
twenty three to four fourteen coming in at number four,
the NBA Juggernaut, James Dolan's New York Nicks.

Speaker 3 (01:50:57):
I can see the Knicks.

Speaker 1 (01:50:58):
Number five, man, you fine get this number six again.
I'd love to see the books on this. The Houston
Texans now again, this is profitability. Profitability. There you go.
Number seven, your Golden State Warriors. We do need to
talk about the the domino effects from Meers leaving here.

(01:51:21):
We'll get to that put a pin in that. We'll
do that next hour, because we talked about it a
couple of weeks ago and I suggested he was the
most sought after free agent in all of this sporting
universe for the NBA. But the domino effect of what
it could mean for that roster really intriguing, next level stuff,
and we'll do it here next hour. Number eight the
New York Football Giants. Number nine, we had the Lakers,

(01:51:45):
number ten, Man City and number eleven the Los Angeles Rams. Hmmm, wow,
there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:51:55):
So money we'll spit now.

Speaker 1 (01:51:57):
Remember live Gate for Major League Baseball was really hurt.
So the fact that you have didn't have but anybody
in the top ten, right they and certainly in the
top twenty five. It was difficult. Thirteen teams from the NFL,
seven NBA teams, four English Premier teams, and then Bayern

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Munich from the Bundesliga. So that's what made up your
top twenty five. Interesting stuff three years ago.

Speaker 3 (01:52:28):
I'm still messed up from New England.

Speaker 1 (01:52:30):
That one that one's still curious to me. I keep
trying to peace through. It's like, what's the deal that
put them over? Did they have some international deals and
moneies that were flowing in based on the brilliance of Brady? Well,
not having been inside the stadium, I'm not sure what
those in stadium branding deals were.

Speaker 2 (01:52:48):
You definitely have to look at Brady. You definitely have
to look at championships. You know, there's definitely online sales.
You know, the leagues are looking to expand more overseas,
So I don't think that maybe we just maybe you know, American,
you know, popularity, but from a world perspective, all.

Speaker 1 (01:53:08):
About getting the global dollars. That's what we're talking about.
We dug a lot of NBA you and I, and
that's where we know expansion because you mentioned a lot
of names before, not American born players, and the Patriots
will host a game in Europe later this year, coming
back up NBA Finals Game two. Greetings and welcome in
final hour of the program for US this morning, Mike

(01:53:29):
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should be must see Viewing tonight NBA Finals Game two,
Ryan Hollins, So far three hours. He went down pretty fast.
And now we get to that as many of our
colleagues here refer to it as the power Hour, What
is fueling you at this moment?

Speaker 2 (01:54:11):
I thought we were just ten minutes into the show,
I mean power Hour. I didn't even know it was
power ever time.

Speaker 1 (01:54:16):
That's my guy, that's my guy. That's what I'm talking about.
That's what I'm talking about. He's done his cardio, he's
jacked up about it? What all right? Ryan? Game two
later on this evening. And as much as we are
excited about the series still to come, heat and nuggets,
we'd be remiss if we didn't talk about all of

(01:54:36):
the other comings and goings and rumors, conjecture, speculation, and
that's really all it is for now. But a lot
of big names we're trying to figure out will they
stay in their current locations or will they seek greener pastures?
A lot of rumors around James Harden. Will he go
back and join your squad or will he stay in Philadelphia?

(01:55:00):
Now that Nick Nurse is on board? Is that going
to be massaged? Joel Embiid, you're reigning MVP. A lot
of rumors, a lot of photo shops. My guy Jason
Smith trying to speak it into existence like he's love
our ball, calling for Joel Embiid to become a member
of the New York Knicks. But now one of the
complications to it all, Julius Randall had ankle surgery, So

(01:55:24):
chaos ensues Philadelphia. Is Nick Nurse gonna be rolling with
those guys in Diaries MAXI for another year? Or do
we see a shuffle up out in Philly?

Speaker 2 (01:55:35):
You know what I mean? I wouldn't be surprised that
those guys came back. I think they had a very
successful year. I think if you look at the Eastern Conference,
things are wide open. But I mean, honestly, I think
a lot of that just hinges on whatever decision that
James Harden makes. I think, obviously, even with Joel and
b being the MVP. You know you're gonna look around

(01:55:59):
and say, hey, you know, if Harden goes, is he
gonna be happy? But I think James still holds the
power and whatever like happens. And one thing, you know,
with my agent, I'd always go, you know, so the
big you know, midnight, as soon as what is it,
June first or July first, whatever free agency hits, I
go to my agent. I go, hey, man, why am

(01:56:19):
I not signed? Why don't I have a deal right now?
Why don't I have you know, things in place? As
soon as you know, the clock strikes and he go, well,
you know, teams are making calls to you, but the
big fish go first. You know you're going to be
second and third in line. So I say that to say,
James Harden is going to be one of the guys
that goes first, and then they'll figure out whatever happens

(01:56:41):
in the organization, and you know, whatever decision he makes
me for sure, you know in p Joel embiid of Hey,
whether he wants to stay there potentially, I guess we're
speaking into existence. Whether he wants to go and play
somewhere else.

Speaker 1 (01:56:57):
Yeah, because he does have the player option for those
unaware of the situation. She had a two year, nearly
sixty nine million dollar deal. Second year is the player option.
So how happy are you? How much do you want
to go? And I guess this goes to the larger question.
When we talk about a lot of these players that
we have celebrated and those that folks want to always

(01:57:20):
do the next tags and all of those fun things too,
we forget exactly how long guys have been around the league, right,
so when folks say, all right, well the face can
be this guy and they'll throw you out us up,
it's like he's been in for a decade, or this
guy he's done this. But when we talk about Harden
or Kyrie or KD before the trade, when rumblings were

(01:57:41):
that he wanted out of Brooklyn, all of those, you're
weighing the player versus what else comes to the table
with him when it comes to the locker room. One
thing to say, hey, here's work ethic, here's what you know,
what's gonna happen between the white lines. But the other
is how does that affect the rest of the squad
You're attempting to build and trying to manage your week

(01:58:06):
to week game to game right NFL one of the
great things Lovey Smith always preached and I was very
public with some of the Hey you hit the mountain
a player coach had some great highs, some circumstances where
they had a lot of success in Chicago, But at
some point, if you're not winning consistently late November and
in December and playoff failures, you're not going to have

(01:58:28):
a job very long. With a lot of NBA players,
you're trying to manage the year from a health perspective,
but also, let's face it, personalities and ruling through. We
talked about it a little bit earlier, and it's a
promo running that Smith and I were talking about. You know,
pick your poison, you know, and it's both great, just

(01:58:51):
a question of which is better than the other. Of
dealing with Lebron James Clutch and the expectations there or
Kevin Durant and the potential for his burner accounts to
come at you or for him to just ghost you
and decide he wants out as he did in Brooklyn.
So trying to manage a squad in this day and age,
it's just a different animal than it was even ten

(01:59:13):
years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:59:13):
Ryan, No, it is, and you know it takes some
pluses and minuses. I think the biggest plus is that
these players understand that they're more than just a number.
They understand that they have power and situations that they
can go forward and exercise. And I think what hurts
is sometimes you know, things get ugly on that side,

(01:59:33):
but you know what, knowing that's an eye. And I
say this as a former player, and I want you
people to listen up when I say this. When a
guy gets gets randomly traded and he finds out back
in the day in the newspaper, are nowadays on Twitter,
or a guy's in it, you know, spent years of
service with an organization and then all of a sudden,

(01:59:54):
his cold don't work to get in the doors.

Speaker 1 (01:59:55):
So I think the life there, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:59:59):
Yeah, yeah, But everybody looks at the player when they
want out, and maybe they don't do it in the
fashion in which you think they should have respected an organization.
I hope that they always do, but you don't look
at that side. And you know, it's it becomes just
business when it happens to the player. But when the
player does it, they're entitled and spoiled and all these things,
or when a player says, hey, man, you just paid

(02:00:20):
me this money, I don't want to be here anymore,
you know, send me elsewhere. They're oh, this guy's so
entitled to this, and it's it's play out your contract.
But it's like, no, you gotta you gotta have it
both ways. When when the player does what he wants
to do within his contract and says he wants out,
you gotta respect that the same way that you know
that the guy gets you know, fired or traded on

(02:00:42):
his day off.

Speaker 3 (02:00:43):
You know.

Speaker 1 (02:00:44):
Yeah, it's it's that interesting dichotomy, right how much we
we go with the business perspective of it. I always say,
go get what you can. Just recognize the the backlash
that's going to be there, right because at the end
of the day, you've got millions of bond, millions of
fans keyboard battling along the way with you, and some

(02:01:07):
players will engage in that. Kevin Durant and others Lebron
to a degree, yeah, let me put well, he's never
gonna come out straight and say it. So one thing
I've always and I guess Durant to a degree didn't.
He's been better about finding his own voice as opposed
to one of his cyber alter egos. But that was

(02:01:27):
the one thing I respected most about James Harden when
he said he wanted out out of Houston. And I
don't think people liked the way that was, but kind
of just laid it out there. Don't have to like it,
but he said, here's the issue I'm having, here's what
I want to do, and then we saw it not
work the next stop. At some point, you know, the

(02:01:50):
problem keeps going around. At some point, the problem is you.
But if you're putting up numbers, there's always gonna be
another team that wants to give a shot to you.
But with that comes the risk of, hey, you're not
available at times, or in Harden's case, we look at
playoff issues of the past to where if you're signing
up for him, are you going to get it? Because

(02:02:12):
get the full run of what he could be. Because
even in this last run with Philly, a couple of
great games and a couple where he really didn't give
you much of anything from the offensive end you were
banking on.

Speaker 2 (02:02:26):
Yeah, and you know what, it's all situational. It's all situational.
You know, it's tough. I think the biggest takeaway we
can take from James Harden we are talking James Harden here,
is that he can go and give you a forty
almost fifty point performance in a playoff setting. Now, how
you harness that? How you manage that? Are you going

(02:02:46):
to ask James to be that same James every night?
Are you gonna ask for point guard James? It all depends.
And also we can take away is that James Harden
was a different player. He did that without Joel Embiid,
you know, so is he still the guy that you say,
hey man, give you your team to him?

Speaker 3 (02:03:02):
You know?

Speaker 2 (02:03:02):
How does he he mix or play well? And unfortunately,
I think James gets scrutiny because he is such a
great scorer and because he can't adapt his game and go,
you know, play that off ball point guard role that
a lot of guys can't adapt and play. Some guys
are just you know, passes, some guys are just scoring.
James Harden can do both. But unfortunately, because he's so
great scoring the ball, he does take that scrutiny. So

(02:03:24):
I think wherever he goes, they're gonna have to weigh
out and say, hey man, how do we get the
most out of James Harden. We looked at a guy
like Chris Ball who's gone out and adapted it kind
of changed his game for longevity. Lebron James, you know,
developed the three ball. He shoots a lot of threes.
I'd be interested to see the numbers of Lebron early
in his career to you know, now his three point

(02:03:45):
percentages and the amount of threes that he gets up.
So I think James is gonna have to figure that out,
and whatever organization he goes to, they're gonna say how
do we get the most out of him? And it
did seem in Philadelphia they were still trying to figure out, Hey,
how do we get him and Joel to work? You
see them both have individual successes, but work together, because

(02:04:06):
it seemed like, you know, you lost a little bit
from James when he was in the lineup.

Speaker 1 (02:04:11):
Yeah, we also have to recognize sometimes in the locker
room or front office, someone's got to be able to
go and grab the superstar and say, hey, the threes
aren't falling, let's let's maybe back away high Lebron. Uh
see I did it again. Wow, there you go morning.
Look at what I'm doing there? Me exactly. He's Ryan

(02:04:34):
Hollins on Mike Harvey. This is Fox Sports Sunday, Fox
Sports Radio. Uh yeah, the offseason movement of players is
going to be interesting because, again tying to the coaching
side of things, since you know, hired to be fired
and most teams not looking at long term, looking for
that short term return. You know, coaches always, I think

(02:04:58):
would be a little nervous when some of the superstars
would come in as well, knowing that if it doesn't
go right, it's not necessarily about bouncing the player that
they're the one needing to relocate that following year. That said,
another story on the NBA doc at Adam Silver talked
about it earlier this week, the curious case of John Morant.

(02:05:21):
No details just yet, but can we read anything from
the commissioner's statement about what he said the other night
related to potential punishment? Ryan, and I'll sort that out
with you next here on Fox Sports Sunday. All right,
we're gonna go up another hill. Let's go get those

(02:05:42):
feet pedaling, get them pumping, Ryan Hollins or dance as
you need you, Mike Carbon Ryan Hollins with you here,
Fox Sports Radios, Fox Sports Sunday. Hey, we want to
make sure we welcome in our new affiliate, Peoria, Illinois,
Peoria's Sports Radio one on one point one. Welcome to
the Fox Sports Radio Family, Chicago White Sox Radio network affiliate.

(02:06:06):
Yay me program director Scott Heckethorn dropped another network to
make way and to make the flip for Fox Sports.
It's a huge win for them, huge win for us.
Welcome to the FSR family, Peoria's Sports Radio one on
one point one. Slow and steady expansion. Ryan Hollins, Hey,

(02:06:29):
one at a time, operational excellence, the excellence of elocution.
All right, So I stole Brett Hart's line and I
mixed it up a little bit for radio purposes. Seriously,
very excited to be on back in Illinois, in Peoria.
Look forward to great things ahead. And now I can
have a real legitimate excuse to jam more Chicago White

(02:06:52):
Sox baseball into our conversation. There you go, more celebrations
of Paul Canerko, How we got him to call in
for my birthday one year and basically told my producer
to lose his number. All good things. So from the
positivity there here, we'll do the positive one first, because

(02:07:14):
we got to put our thinking hats on for the
second half. We'll get to the Jah Morant story in
a minute. But I have a hero and prefacing it
by being a Chicago kid Bears fan all my life,
going back to sweater wearing, gum, chewing, flip you off
at a at a moment's notice, Mike Ditka, and hating
the Packers with the every fiber of my being. Respect right,

(02:07:37):
a healthy respect, but a hatred nonetheless. But I now
have a guy. I might actually have to get a
jersey of this guy. And look, I love aj Dillon,
I love the Quadzilla thing. But Romeo Dobbs, second year
wide receiver right as a rookie playing alongside Aaron Rodgers
and company. Now Jordan Love ascends to the throne with
Rogers in New York, told Spectrum News whose Spectrum newswe

(02:08:02):
dot com told Dennis Krause, quote, I think Jordan is
a really good quarterback. When you go from Aaron Rodgers
to Jordan, Aaron was a great quarterback, but I believe
Jordan can do the exact same thing. So I really
don't see what's the big difference. Romeo Dobs is down
my hero, said beat at Rogers. That's a guy saying

(02:08:26):
throw me the ball ten times a game. I mean,
that was great lobbying by the young wide receiver to say,
let me be your number one man. But also for
the idea of, hey, that guy's gone. I don't have
to I don't have to genuflect in his direction anymore.
He's a jet. Here's what we have now. I like this.

Speaker 3 (02:08:47):
It's spilled milk at that point. And I get it.

Speaker 2 (02:08:50):
You can endorse your quarterback now, I don't know how
much I agree with saying he can do the same thing.
So I went to Cleveland, right, played in Cleveland when
Lebron left, and obviously there were a lot of motion
emotions still there. It was, you know, it was just
kind of weird, you know, and you couldn't deny Lebron's

(02:09:14):
presence there. And it did come at a bad time
because there was, you know, just the emotions from the city.
It's just it wasn't done in the right fashion. But
I don't think any of us were bold enough to
go and say, hey, man, I'm about to put the
ball in Anthony Parker's hands. Man, forget that Lebron guy.

(02:09:34):
He's got nothing on Anthony Parker, and neither would Neither
would Anthony Parker. So you like the voter confidence in
your quarterback and moving forward. I get it.

Speaker 3 (02:09:42):
You.

Speaker 2 (02:09:43):
You are tired of hearing about Aaron Rodgers and this
thing has just been drug out and drug out and
drug out, and finally you know he's able to move on.
The organization couldn't move on.

Speaker 1 (02:09:53):
But Yan, Yeah, they're still spilling all the tea. Right,
We're gonna get story after story about meetings or missed opportunities.
I mean, Rogers taking every opportunity. It's like, well, I
call and I call back the people that I like. Like,
at that point, he was still your boss. They were
trying to work things out and figure out what was next.

(02:10:15):
You were still under contract. And again owing to the
prior discussion of you don't have to like him, but
in the end, have the conversation and take the call. Hey,
I Donna be, you need to.

Speaker 2 (02:10:25):
I don't know how wise the move is to say
that you don't need Aaron Rodgers or or or or
you're setting your young quarterback up for failure. Okay, you
know where that.

Speaker 1 (02:10:38):
Oh we all need a hype man, though, Ryan, and we.

Speaker 2 (02:10:41):
Know where that lies. We know where it is. And
you know what, I probably hype my quarterback up the
same way. But I mean there's a level where don't
leave him out for you put him in a bad place,
because then someone's gonna someone's gonna, you know, want to
cash that check.

Speaker 1 (02:10:58):
No, there's no question, and certainly it's it's that difficult spot,
right because as the player's there, you're gonna be asked
about it all off season. What's the difference, how's the
ball coming off his hand different? You've worked with him
for a year because he was there, right, Dobb's there
going into a second year, and Jordan loves God, been

(02:11:19):
in the game now a couple of years waiting for
his turn, So all those comparisons were inevitable. And all
the the pundits, all the scribes there, they're gonna poke
and they're gonna prod and try to get some answer.
So I think for Romeo Dobbs, to some degree, this
is the Hey, I know what Jordan could do, He's
gonna be great. The other guy's gone beat it, and

(02:11:39):
I'm I'm I can respect that. I like any guy
that's got that much bravado to do that in his
second year.

Speaker 2 (02:11:46):
Well, here here's the thing. I don't want to be
better than Aaron Rodgers. I want to be the best
of me that I can be.

Speaker 1 (02:11:52):
Oh, look at you? Are you writing a motivational speech
for me?

Speaker 2 (02:11:56):
It's true because if you chase an Aaron Rodgers, that's it.

Speaker 3 (02:11:59):
That's an l R.

Speaker 2 (02:12:00):
Ready, Okay, that's a loss. And if you even look
at Aaron Rodgers, Aaron Rodgers won't going that. Maybe he
said it under his breath, maybe he said it with
his friends. You know, clearly he probably chased Brett Farr.
But there wasn't a I gotta be better than Brett Farb.

Speaker 3 (02:12:16):
You know.

Speaker 2 (02:12:16):
It was just like all right, let me go do
my thing. And then it was like, hey, this kid
is pretty good. So I don't I think you set
yourself up for failure. I'm not saying he's going to fail,
but I don't think it's advantageous to.

Speaker 1 (02:12:29):
Do it in that faster Yeah. I think the big
thing and the extension of his comments kind of go
to the organization as well. You know, we talk about
the organizational stability, and Green Bay has long been one
of those that's been held up in that high regard,
regardless of obviously very high profile separations from their last
two quarterbacks, ultimately to the same destination, the New York

(02:12:51):
Football Jets. But I think Dobbs and I didn't even
think about that in the larger perspective. Yeah, that's kind
of strange.

Speaker 3 (02:13:00):
Right fars first.

Speaker 1 (02:13:03):
Right, that was second, they wouldn't let him go to
the Vikings right away, right, same division as backers. So
he had that run in with the Jets, and he
actually was playing really well before he hurt his arm.
And that's one thing that I can always Needle Smith about, uh,
is you know you did have far before and everything
was going great until it wasn't. And so when he

(02:13:24):
starts getting excited about Roger, like, hey remember the last
for look, it's it's easy Fodder's Sports Talk radio. I
wish injury on no man, woman, child, or beast. I
want everybody to move through, but we recognize injuries, uh,
in such a part. But yeah, there was the poison
pill in all of that that there was no way

(02:13:45):
Farv was getting to his desired destination without at least
a stopover somewhere else. So had the Jets in a
pretty good run before he got injured, and then eventually
found his way back to Minnesota, where he had them
on a really good run before he threw one of
the most ill fated interceptions of all time that gave
us the great Paul Allen quote, why do you even

(02:14:06):
ponder passing when they could just run the football? But yeah,
all of that as we get closer to the NFL season.
But I think Romeo Dobbs part of it was, Hey,
we're an organization that moves forward, and this is what
we do, and we've got a guy that'll be prepared
to play. It's as much of a just hey, we
can keep the greatness going, rather than the comparing necessarily

(02:14:29):
to Aaron Rodgers. But it makes for good fodder, It
makes for good content. And anytime you can just say, hey,
you want a bunch of MVPs. You got us a
Super Bowl win, but then you want it out for
a couple of years. Yeah, it's okay, We'll move on,
and that's fine by me. Although I still haven't broken
open the champagne bottle. At one point I'd gotten a

(02:14:51):
bottle of champagne for all the rumors of Rogers leaving
the Packers. That's still sitting in my fridge. Oh no,
you might have to liberate that Champagne here at some point.

Speaker 3 (02:15:04):
Yeah, No, you're right, it is time you deserve it. Man.

Speaker 1 (02:15:08):
You've been years, thirty years between him and Farv and
only for a couple of Brent Hunley starts and stuff.
Did I Did I get any any relief?

Speaker 2 (02:15:20):
Hey?

Speaker 3 (02:15:20):
Man? Brent Henley? Man, that's a former Bruin right there, man, Come.

Speaker 1 (02:15:23):
On, yeah. But that's why Jordan Love got drafted is
that they didn't find themselves in another Brent Hunley situation
because they started that season well, then Rogers got hurt
and it unraveled very quickly. So when they drafted Love,
and I'll continue to bang the drum for that one
in defending that choice, even though maybe it rankled the

(02:15:45):
and ruffled the feathers of your quarterback, maybe enough to
where you finally had to say goodbye good times.

Speaker 2 (02:15:53):
When you look back, do you think that was a
smart choice or not?

Speaker 1 (02:15:56):
Well, I can't do that three years later when you're
supposed to in your line of what you get. But
I evaluated in the moment, right Like when the Bears
went and made their trade to go get Mitchell Trubisky,
it was all right, they decided that was their guy.
Good for them.

Speaker 3 (02:16:15):
No, it's fair for you to look back. Should they
have made that motor move? Yes? Not.

Speaker 1 (02:16:20):
I would still take the I think I get my
quarterback of the future and I have backup. Okay, man,
because it worked the first time. Now, if you've gone
and drafted a wide receiver, might that have been better?
I don't know. They always drafted him second round wide receivers.
They they never left that cupboard. Bear, just because the

(02:16:42):
guy was picked thirty four instead of pick nineteen, what's
the difference.

Speaker 3 (02:16:48):
That's a that's a difference.

Speaker 1 (02:16:51):
Our fifteen other wide receivers drafted.

Speaker 2 (02:16:53):
There, Ryan, Listen, that's the guy that that you know
runs it four to three versus a four to four.
You know that's a different sweet Julio Jones and you know,
just another.

Speaker 1 (02:17:08):
Back end of the first round. No, not quite.

Speaker 2 (02:17:12):
Hey, listen, ask Aaron Rodgers how he feels about that
right now?

Speaker 1 (02:17:17):
And in the end, if he got all up in
his fields, you know, there's pragmatism and recognizing what you are.
The bigger issue is he shouldn't have allowed Matt Lafleur
to send out a field goal kicker when you're down
eight and Tom Brady's getting the ball back in all
playoff game.

Speaker 3 (02:17:33):
Well, I mean he's not the head coach. I mean,
you can't scrutiniz you can't beat both things.

Speaker 1 (02:17:37):
Man, star players. We we just went through a whole
analysis of Lebron James telling you how to operate and
how to do things. Aaron Rodgers can't do the same
thing as a long tenured quarterback.

Speaker 2 (02:17:51):
Well, clearly he hasn't, or that's what or he didn't
and then he's been scrutinized for it. Yeah, because he's
not making the calls.

Speaker 1 (02:17:58):
Actually, I'm the only guy I think in national radio
that went that route.

Speaker 2 (02:18:06):
I mean maybe maybe that's why he's with the Jets now.

Speaker 3 (02:18:10):
He wants to make those calls.

Speaker 2 (02:18:12):
He doesn't agree when those calls aren't made, and he's
you know, he's vowing to say, Hey, this situation comes
up again, I'm gonna have a say because he didn't
have a say last time.

Speaker 1 (02:18:21):
Now he could have called time out and forced the
issue instead of unbuckling his chin strap and just running
to the sideline as the field goal kicker came out situational. Hey,
with great power comes great responsibility. I held Russell Wilson
to the fire in this past year when they had
that opening season loss to the Seahawks. Why are you

(02:18:44):
leaving the field when the guy's gonna attempt a sixty
three yard field goal?

Speaker 2 (02:18:49):
Well, hey, Russell, Russell got a lot of grace. But
this was a tough year for Russell Wilson. I hope
that he hasn't fallen off the cliff like expected. I
hope there's a lot more or football left in him.
I think this is this was a tough year man.
I think just for his legacy. I just don't The
optics weren't good.

Speaker 3 (02:19:08):
I didn't. It didn't look good for Denver.

Speaker 2 (02:19:10):
I just and then you know, social media, you know,
blows it up and it teammates yelling at him and
the defense was fussing out on this is I didn't
like what happened over there.

Speaker 1 (02:19:20):
Well, if all of it comes to play, it's what
started in Seattle where it was Russell and everybody else,
and then in Denver he literally had an office above
everybody else and Sean Payton thought it was a joke
and people all around him. So if it doesn't work
in year one with Sean Payton, guess what someone else
will be hiring Russell Wilson to be their quarterback in

(02:19:41):
twenty twenty four. Good times all around.

Speaker 2 (02:19:45):
Yeah, I hope that things end up better than Denver,
but it ain't. Yeah, it ain't looking good.

Speaker 1 (02:19:49):
So eventually I got to go back and relitigate the
NFL draft order from twenty twenty and I'll do that
while we turn things over to Monsey Belangos. Get us
an update on our sporting universe, because I'm trying to
remember who was drafted after George Love before their next
pick a substitute. You know, normally it would be a
crack research staff, but everybody's listening to Steve Hartman Reguale.

(02:20:13):
Great story, right.

Speaker 4 (02:20:14):
I bet you Steve Hartman knows though, who was drafted.
I guarantee you yes, I wouldn't have to even look
a look on the internet if he's here for anything.

Speaker 5 (02:20:23):
Usually, guys.

Speaker 4 (02:20:24):
Game two of the NBA Finals tonight a PM Eastern
time Miami Heat against the Denver Nuggets. The latest injury
report Caleb Martin, who missed yesterday's practice for Miami with
an illness. He is still listed as questionable in the
latest injury report that the NBA has up and yesterday
the Stanley Cup Final began. It was Game one between

(02:20:46):
the Golden Knights and the Panthers. Vegas was the one
who came out on top, scoring three goals in the
third period to win five to two. Game two will
be on Monday back in Vegas. One baseball game going
on right now. It's the Cardinals and the Pirates.

Speaker 5 (02:20:59):
It is too I know we're on the West Coast,
but I'm like, how are you playing already?

Speaker 1 (02:21:02):
It's Sea copy.

Speaker 5 (02:21:05):
I would hate this.

Speaker 4 (02:21:06):
I know we're on the West Coast, but the Pirates
are currently beating the Cardinals to zero. It's the bottom
of the fourth inning and we still have the French
Open going on. World number one Carlos al Karaz has
won his first two sets. This is the fourth round,
but earlier today Novak Djokovic won.

Speaker 5 (02:21:25):
His fourth round match in three straight sets.

Speaker 4 (02:21:28):
He's headed to the quarterfinals for the fourteenth consecutive year.
That's the longest streak by a man in the event's history,
five years longer than Roger Federer and Rory McElroy.

Speaker 5 (02:21:37):
Is tied for the lead at the Memorial Tournament.

Speaker 4 (02:21:39):
He's gonna tee off for the fourth and final round
around one thirty five pm Eastern time. Victor Hoblin is
in the group. That's one shot back. And this not
great news for Nationals. I'm gonna go back to baseball
because I just found this from the Washington Post. Nationals
have completely shut down pitcher Steven Strasburg.

Speaker 5 (02:21:56):
He is dealing with severe nerve damage. He has not
pitched in the mad since last June, and.

Speaker 4 (02:22:01):
The story goes that he could be done, his career
could be done.

Speaker 5 (02:22:06):
Back to you, guys, it's been fun. I'm finally waking up.
Finally there.

Speaker 3 (02:22:10):
That's good.

Speaker 1 (02:22:11):
Yeah, just time to go watch the Dodgers.

Speaker 5 (02:22:14):
Go work, and then watch first work, then.

Speaker 1 (02:22:17):
Watch Okay, you know, get that extra coffee in this.

Speaker 4 (02:22:19):
I'm not I'm gonna go get the coffee and then
I'm gonna finish this.

Speaker 1 (02:22:22):
Bagel, add an extra shot to it. Possibly be careful
with the bagel, though, because I mean the carbs might
might bring you back down.

Speaker 5 (02:22:28):
No, don't tell me that I love cars.

Speaker 1 (02:22:33):
No, no, no, that was not a weight thing. That
was completely Take it like that, an energy thing, Hollins,
How dare you try to sow such seeds of malcontentedness?

Speaker 5 (02:22:42):
Take it like that.

Speaker 1 (02:22:44):
He knew exactly what I was saying there.

Speaker 5 (02:22:46):
I just I was like, no, I love carbs, don't
tell me that. Don't tell me it would not work
with the coffee. Ryan me that Ryot's shooting violence this morning.

Speaker 1 (02:22:55):
He just totally misses. You knew what I was trying to.
You have a heavy carm waighting Meal Collins. How you feeling?

Speaker 2 (02:23:04):
The entire nation was wondering where you were going with that?

Speaker 1 (02:23:08):
I literally did one sentence. I didn't go anywhere. He's
a one and slow you down, wait down for the day.

Speaker 2 (02:23:18):
I mean, if you could have seen my face as
you do, those words came out to your lips.

Speaker 1 (02:23:23):
I as a man who battles carbs and carb intake
on a regular basis, knowing it is not the best
of me, not only for my circulatory system but also
my energy level. That's all I was talking about. Yeah,
I dare you.

Speaker 5 (02:23:39):
I knew where you were going.

Speaker 1 (02:23:41):
Yeah, glad you did. Ryan hates me.

Speaker 2 (02:23:44):
No, No, I was shocked. I couldn't.

Speaker 3 (02:23:48):
I didn't believe You're not that type of No.

Speaker 1 (02:23:50):
Well, no I'm not. I do work in sports talk radio,
but I'm not that guy. Hey, I do have the
answer to our trivia question. Know about the draft? You
tell me should they have drafted any of these players
over Jordan Love from a wide receiver perspective? And I
think there's one guy and it's the first name on
the list. T Higgins was drafted after Jordan Love. Okay,

(02:24:12):
so there's a guy. But what is he? Is he
a two? Is he a three? And an occasional number one?
That's the decision to be made. But based on where
you were at that time, you had Devonte ad he's
a good player. But after that, Michael Pittman Jr. Oh
he's okay, Laviscus Channault Crickets, kJ Hamler Crickets, Chase Claypool.

(02:24:38):
Pittsburgh loved him so much. Come on, he's the epitome
of a jag. He's just a guy.

Speaker 2 (02:24:47):
Oh you're did you watch him at Pittsburgh ad a
field day with that that big body, wide receiver.

Speaker 1 (02:24:54):
Man again six, But I'm doing it today with what
he he's done in his career, Van Jefferson and Denzel Mims.
Those are the guys selected before the Packers were about
Cole Comet. You can have him. What I'm a Bears guy.
I'm a Bears guy. You can keep him. You know
he had three games.

Speaker 2 (02:25:16):
You don't have a Bears quarterback. You can never blame
a wide receiver until he has a quarterback.

Speaker 1 (02:25:25):
Give him a headache. Cole Comet's just a guy. He
had a three game stretch because the tight end is
supposed to be the look. Number of drops I can
go put together a super cut of drops off cole Comet. Wow,
and Chase Claypool for that matter.

Speaker 3 (02:25:40):
Firstus Manzi, Now you're going at Commets.

Speaker 1 (02:25:43):
I'm just calling it what it is. That's been a
disappointment with Monzi. That was not going at Monty. That
was you just being hateful because I must have been
against player empowerment or something somewhere. He's Ryan Hollins, I'm
Mike Garvin. We're here live from the Fox Sports Radio studios. Reminder, hey, Discover.
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We got the play of the day quick run through
of the Ja Morant situation. What's a fair and adequate
punishment slash rehabilitation assigned for him? And we'll look at

(02:26:27):
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(02:27:14):
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(02:27:38):
will get Game two later on today. We'll get a
quick preview and prediction from Ryan in a minute be
remiss if we didn't take a moment, though, Ryan, you
work with a lot of young players there is as
a member of the broadcast team for the Houston Rockets
and certainly one of the game's best and brightest in
the spotlight and not in the best of ways. We

(02:28:00):
talk about Ja Morant for the videos that is circulated
brandishing a weapon and the league doing an investigation. Adam
Silver commented ahead of these finals saying they've found more
information more to help base a decision, but that they're
tabling it to the end of the NBA Finals, and

(02:28:23):
by tabling it, I think our level of anticipation and
curiosity is peaked, and many calling for a full year
suspension slash, Hey go get yourself right kind of situation
for John Morant as you're talking to people, Is that
where we see it? Leaning from Adam Silver in the

(02:28:45):
league office.

Speaker 2 (02:28:46):
I'm really not sure where it's going to go. But
I think what we all know is the complexity of
the situation because you assume that job would have understood.
You know, Hey, I don't want to be anywhere close
to my first incident, you know, and if there's anyone
who could even put me remotely in that type of danger.

(02:29:07):
I don't want to be near him. And I think
we all gave Jaw the grace of Hey, I was
twenty three or twenty four years old at one point
in time. I get it. But even at twenty three
or twenty four, after a mistake like that, you don't
go back.

Speaker 3 (02:29:22):
And do it again.

Speaker 2 (02:29:23):
So I think the league is really in an intriguing
place where they have to This is like, there's not
like a let's go back. I guess the closest incident
we can possibly.

Speaker 3 (02:29:34):
Look at, and you know.

Speaker 2 (02:29:36):
Definitely different situation different players. Is Gilbernas with the gun
situation he got hit over the head. Yeah, and that
was the closest thing. But this is intriguing. And then
you got to think of a legal aspect, you know
of hey, did he break a law?

Speaker 3 (02:29:53):
Hey?

Speaker 2 (02:29:54):
The integrity of the game, how is that you know
put into play? Hey, he kind of agreed I wouldn't
do this again, and he just stepped in and did
it again. And hey, let's agree. Also we are not equal. Okay,
if Ryan Hollins did this, it be my last game
in the NBA uniform. That's just the truth. He's John Morant.
This guy's you know, potentially a you know, one of

(02:30:16):
the faces of the entire league, so you know he's
gonna have a different grace than somebody else will have
and what that means. So I think the league has
a lot to factor in in this situation. And ultimately,
at the end of the day, there's two messages that
you'd assume i'ven't spoken to anybody who's my assumption that

(02:30:37):
you want to sit home. One a penalty strong enough
to show John Morant that he will never do this again,
that he will truly be sorry, never even come close
to doing this again. And two a message to rest
of the entire league to say, hey, if any if
any of you guys choose to do this and be
a repeat offender, even come close to this, you're gonna

(02:30:58):
get hit over the head because you don't want this
to become a thing. And the fear is, unfortunately, you
don't want to lose more players to this.

Speaker 1 (02:31:06):
Well, the optics of the league, right, we always talk
about protecting the shield as related to the NFL and
the way Roger Goodell has managed for good, for better
or for worse. Right, there's certainly a lot in the
policy Gray areas of trying to make it up on
the fly. Likewise with the NBA trying to figure this
out when, as you point out, from a legal standpoint,

(02:31:29):
is there anything or does that matter? Right? And that's
it in the end, it's protecting your business. And while
you can agree, hey, no laws were broken, there's still
the idea of you have to protect that NBA shield
going forward, and certainly the league stands to gain if
he's around as one of the exciting young players. All Right,

(02:31:51):
much bigger conversation will be curious to hear if anything
starts to leak out about the penalties. But later on
Game two of this series, in order for Miami to
win the game, what has to happen? What's that perfect
convergence of circumstance, Ryan Allins, to get them pass not
only the Nuggets, but also the eight and a half

(02:32:13):
point spread.

Speaker 2 (02:32:15):
Listen, they have to score the basketball they got, attack
nikolea Jokic. You have to use your speed to your
advantage and make them a defender man. You gotta make them.

Speaker 1 (02:32:24):
Work, tire him out on that end, and hopefully create
a little bit of chaos going the other way. Yeah,
I'm curious to see all the shooters who couldn't hit
the broad side of a bar in Game one? Can
they get past the outstretched arms and rain jumpers came
to um looking at you. Stres and Duncan Robinson. No
more brick laying, You're still an NBA player. He's Ryan Hollins,

(02:32:45):
I'm Mike Carbon, Thanks for hanging out. Steven Rich coming
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