Steve Hartman and Rich Ohrnberger React Live to NFL Week 14

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the Steelers, Raiders at the Buccaneers. Richie, can you believe it?
Week fourteen of the NFL season. Six teams with the bye.
This is the last bye week of the NFL season.
I'm gonna ask you right off the top sixteens, Broncos, Colts, Patriots, Commanders, Ravens, Texans.
How does this work for those teams to get a

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buy this late in the season.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
Well, how does it work? It's a scheduling flaw. You
have to have somebody take an unnecessarily early bye week
or a couple of teams, and then you have to
have a couple of teams kind of bite the bullet
and take an unnecessarily late by week. It's it's something
that I think is going to be rectified when, not if,

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the NFL expands to an eighteen game season. One of
the bones that the owners are going to pitch it
as a bone being thrown to the players. But I
actually think it benefits them to have eighteen games and
two buys from a scheduling standpoint. With the networks, they'll
actually cover up more of the calendar. There's going to

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be more buzz around football for longer when they expand
the regular season, and they're going to try to tell
the players like, oh wow, like you guys, you hate
the eighteen game schedule, but don't you love the extra
week of rest. Meanwhile, it's going to benefit the owners.
They'll make more money from it. So I do think
a week fourteen by won't seem so ridiculous to all

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of us when a team has a week five by, yeah,
and a week fourteen by exactly.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
When we get to an eighteen game schedule over twenty
weeks where everyone gets two buys, everything will make sense.
By the way, quick note on the college football playoff. Yes, yes, yes,
they did it right with SMU. Eric Dickerson opened my
show yesterday with Monsei.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
He was in.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Carolina for that ACC championship game. They made a heroic
comeback only to lose with that last second field goal.
Two losses for Sm' three points to Attendant two by
BYU team last second field goal lost to Clemson. They
deserved it over Alabama SEC overrated this year, they'll still
have three schools there. But I want to say congratulations

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to the playoff selection committee.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
They got it right with SMU over Alabama.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
Well, I mean you say overrated, I mean twenty five
percent of the playoff field cut came from that conference.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
I know exactly we knew this, but we said this
rich before. That's the thing we predicted before the season
began that eight of the twelve teams would come out
of the Big ten in the SEC.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
And it almost happened until SMU lost.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
So we got four teams out of the Big Ten,
three out of the SEC, two out of the ACC,
one Big twelve school and then he got Boise Stage,
he got Notre Dame. Uh yeah, I mean it's it's
a it's a different world. But at the least SEMU
got it right. I texted Eric right as they announced

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that SMU made He goes, yeah, Eric, Eric Dickerson, of course,
one of the great SMU players of all time, and
he said, yeah, we we really blew it yesterday. Too
many mistakes early in that game put him in a
hole against Clemson. Nice comeback that they didn't got the win,
but he gets at least we were breathing still with
the playoffs. So again we're looking forward to you know,
this is going to be four weeks of college football playoffs. Yeah, weeks, Yeah,

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of course. Rich By the way, folks, if you don't
know already, you're like twelve, that's good number.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
Rich one's sixty four.

Speaker 4 (04:09):
I wouldn't mind.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
I wouldn't mind it to look exactly like college basketball.

Speaker 4 (04:14):
Now. I think sixty four is a bit too much, Yeah,
I do.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
But a field of thirty two you already too, I
don't think it would be ridiculous when you think about
bowl season anyways, we will have alongside these four weeks
of playoffs, will also have a ridiculous number of bowl
games that are going to be played out all across
America for a variety of meaning. You know, what I mean,

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for some people, it's going to be meaningful. For some people,
it's going to be meaningless. For certain players, it's going
to mean meaningless. For certain players, it'll be meaningful. So
I look at it this way. How could we make
the postseason of college football more meaningful for everybody? Invite
more people to the party. I thought it was a
blast hearing some of these co which is politicking at

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the end of the.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Season, Yeah, pleading their case. Can you imagine Old War
was the number one? I mean, he was shagging because Alabama,
you know, it's sort of like they're given that they're
in the playoff? Will four school playoff to now make
the twelve school field and they didn't deserve it. Blowout
losses to five hundred teams like Oklahoma and Vanderbilt, Get
out of here. Was there not Alabama's year at all?

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By the way, Also, I did get my Heisman vote
in today. I can't reveal it obviously. Heisman will be
announced next Saturday. Next Sunday, though I will reveal on
our show how I voted for this year's Hushman.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
Liz, I don't want you to divulge it because I
don't want you to lose your vote. But yes, just
between you and me right now, could you tell me?

Speaker 2 (05:43):
I will tell you off air, but I will say this.
All the games have been played, by the way, not
all of them. Remember the Army Navy game is coming
up next Saturday. And that Army quarterback what is a
guy like? Fifty touchdowns? He's unreal? This guy as Army
of course, won the AACS champion. A lot of people
are saying, why is an Army in the in the
playoff field? All right, here we go start the games

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right now, and the closest to a score the Dolphins
on their opening drive have a second goal at the
Jets three yard line.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
It's a good way to start right now.

Speaker 4 (06:16):
Yeah, not bad.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
Let's talk.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
Let's talk a little bit about the Jets oka and
where are we right now with the future of Aaron Rodgers?
In your opinion, do you believe because Aaron Rodgers is
not going to sign with a team to be a
backup quarterback, do you believe there will be any market
at all for a forty one year old Aaron Rodgers
to be a starting quarterback in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
I do think there's gonna be a market I do
think there's going to be a team that is interested.
I don't know if he ends up going to that
team and actually starting for the entirety of the season,
because here's the deal, he's going to leave New York
if he leaves New York to chase after a starting opportunity,
But just like we've seen New York, if things go

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really sideways for a team, he's not gonna have as
long of a leash with his next team as he
does with New York. New York bent over backwards, catered
to every whim, every decision that he wanted, made for
him to feather the bed and fluff it up, so
he had exactly what he needed to win with the Jets,

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and it failed. He hurt himself in the first year.
I shouldn't say it that way, because that's unfair. He
got hurt his first season game or play four, game one,
and then the next year has been a disaster. And
you cannot convince me that if Josh Allen, Patrick mahomes
justin Herbert Joe Burrow to a tongue of Vai looa

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Trevor Lawrence shoot, I mean, even Jamis Winston.

Speaker 4 (07:50):
Maybe at this.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
Point there's a variety of quarterbacks who if you put
a quarterback for the New York Jets, I could argue
that the Jets would have a better round.

Speaker 4 (08:01):
I think that he has become the problem.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
I one hundred percent agree. By the way, what do
you think is more likely.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
Aaron Rodgers as a starting quarterback opening day?

Speaker 1 (08:10):
By the I'm watching Miami get into the end zone.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
There is our first touchdown of the day, and who
was at the score that touchdown?

Speaker 1 (08:20):
That would be a Chan right there?

Speaker 2 (08:22):
So a Chan getting into the end zone as he
so often does, giving the Dolphins an early lead over
the Jets. But what is more likely Aaron Rodgers to
be a starting quarterback week one in the NFL in
twenty twenty five or Bill Belichick as a head coach
week one in the NFL in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
Well, at this point, I would say Aaron Rodgers because
the sources are are circling around him accepting this UNC
job if a job offer comes his way. Which is
a twist in this storyline. I did not expect to see.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
Oh, we just got our first miss extra point of
the day right off the bat, right first point in
temp of the day, no good by the Dolphins, six
nothing Dolphins over the Jets. By the way, the Titans
get a field goal on their opening drive early three
nothing lead over the Jaguars.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
What haf you got feeling?

Speaker 2 (09:12):
We heard, of course, the Belichick interview for the North
Carolina job. It would just seem unreal that a seventy
two year old Belichick would be wanting to get into
the college game. With the state of the college game
right now, I mean, you know, with the nil and
the transfer portal, I mean, it is a it's not

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like the NFL, I dare say. In some ways, it's
way more complicated to run the show in college football
right now than it is in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
There is something to be said about Belichick's ceaseless curiosity
about how to set a culture in place to make
things work for a while and to his benefit. So
in the NFL, obviously, Brady was a lynchpin for his
success with the Patriots, but he found this unbelievable hack.

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If you can get the buy in of your quarterback,
if you get a quarterback who is so special that
he is willing to take, you know, price, whatever you
want to call it, a price, breaks you know, what
I mean a salary cuts in order to fill out
a roster with other talented people so that he can

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win championships. A. You need to find the right quarterback.
He did in Tom Brady, but be you need to
create a culture where everybody buys into servicing this quarterback.
This culture the Patriot way as it was called, you
can win for decades in the NFL, and he proved
that to be true.

Speaker 4 (10:45):
Now at the.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
Collegiate level, I'm curious if he hasn't come up with
a hack in his head that he thinks that he
can maybe run the table for a little while at
the college level, Like maybe it's going to be a
similar setup around one elite player or maybe two elite players.

Speaker 4 (11:03):
Offensively and defensively.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
Where with you and c obviously there's ties to you know,
Jordan Brand, you know you can you can create a
recruiting frenzy down there, especially with his name recognition. I
mean there there could be a situation where Bill has
a huge plan that he's set to launch on college
football and dominate as he enters the later years of

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his coaching career and then sail off into the sunset.
Is one, well, maybe the most successful coach in the
history of both NFL and college football. I don't know
how much time.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
I don't know if he's gonna be Nick Saban's gonna be. Oh,
he's the number one guy. He's not gonna rattle up
six national championship.

Speaker 4 (11:44):
I'm not saying that. I'm just saying crossover coach.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
Well, by the way, Algier just scored for the Falcons
early seven to nothing lead on the road against the Vikings.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
Let's keep our eye on that game.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
And the Steelers right now, just got a penalty for
an illegal formation. But they're knocking on the door and
there is a fumble. What's going on? Incomplete pass there
for the Steelers, So they're knocking on the door. No
score early on against the Browns. All right, we're just
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around the NFL. Can you believe it, folks, Week fourteen

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of the NFL.

Speaker 1 (12:38):

Speaker 4 (12:40):
Second do a.

Speaker 5 (12:41):
Goal from the two yard line. Dolphins knocking on the
doorstep of the Jets opening drive of the game. A
chads up the mail, pushing and into the end zone
for a touchdown.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
That's Fox fours nine forty Dolphins Radio Network extra point
was no good. Dolphins lead the Jets six nothing. Once
again the Red Zone Radio Steve Harvin rich Ornberger with you.
We are live from the tai Iraq dot Com studios.
By the way, the Jets right now have a third
and two at the Miami ten yard line, trying to

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get back into this game. Also Rich, The Buccaneers got
on the board on their opening drive a touchdown pass
from Baker Mayfield to Jalen McMillan. Mayfield six for seven
on that opening drive as the hapless Raiders spiraling to
perhaps the number one pick in the NFL draft, touchdown Cleveland.

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Jamis Winston has been a red hot ever since he
took over, and Jerry Judy is the beneficiary. So Jamis
Winston to Jerry Judy and the Browns have a six
to three lead.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
Over the Steelers.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
But I would say, right now, odds are that Schudeur
Sanders is going to be a Las Vegas Raider next year.

Speaker 4 (13:57):
What do you think I would say, odds are as well.

Speaker 3 (14:00):
I think that Shoudor fits in Las Vegas with, you know,
sort of the flash of Sin City. Also his dad, Dion,
who I would imagine since he's coached Shador all the
way through his career.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
Are you saying Dion Sanders could be the next coach
of the Las Vegas Raiders.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
Well, let's put it this way. Antonio Pierce has not
has not fit the bill. He's not he's not done
what I think Mark Davis was hoping he'd do.

Speaker 4 (14:27):
When the locker.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
Room almost almost I guess I want I don't want
to say they attempted a mutiny, but it almost sounded
like they were threatening a mutiny if if Antonio Pierce
wasn't hired because he did such a nice job as
an interim after Josh McDaniels had had left. And so
I think I think the experiment is over. I think

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they're gonna move off of Pierce, whether they take Shoudor
in the draft or not. But I do think this
Shoudor wants to be coached by his dad. Dion wants
to coach his son, and so if there's a possibility
for that to happen at the next level for the
first time in NFL history, I think we're going to
see it in Vegas.

Speaker 4 (15:08):
I agree with you.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
I think it's a real possibility.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
By the way, Jameis Winston last week did something that
no quarterback had ever done in the history of the NFL.
He had a game with at least four hundred yards passing,
four touchdown passes, and two picks sixes in the same game.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
That is our guy, Jameis Winston.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
I is the king of the pick six He had
two last weeks, but it had never been done in
a game where you also had.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
Four hundred yards passing and four touchdowns.

Speaker 4 (15:35):
I love Jamis Winston.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
He fills the stat board, by the way, doesn't he
he does?

Speaker 3 (15:41):
This is the funny thing about it, though, Jamis. He
was a controversial quarterback at Florida State. There was issues
that whole crab legs, you know, stealing food from the
grocery store.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
He still got my Heisman vote.

Speaker 4 (15:56):
I mean, you.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
Saw what happened with the Uber driver there was the
dust up, and that quickly got sorted out, but still there.

Speaker 4 (16:04):
Was a lot of negativity around Jamis.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
But Jamis very quickly began, I guess showcasing this personality,
and it is a different personality, and I think for
some it came off as saccharin, like he's playing this
up for the camera, Like there's nobody who talks like this,
There's nobody acts like this. He's kind of a goofball,

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especially as a starting quarterback, but his talent when it's
working is undeniable. The problem is he as talented as
he was, he also made so many backbreaking mistakes throughout
the course of a season he could no longer be
trusted as a starting quarterback. So he's sort of exiled
to be a backup and he's bounced around and he's

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appeared in a couple of places.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
Well, let me ask you this, the Browns, I look
at it.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
My guesses are going to eat it as far as
Deshaun Watson's contract is, Oh yeah, there's no way Deshaun
Watson's going to be back with the Browns in twenty
two five.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
Has Winston, who.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
By the way, leads the NFL in yards passing per
game since he took over as a starting quarter to
the back of the Browns. Have you seen enough of
Jamis Winston to say, all right, it's not Deshaun Watson.
Our offense looks far better with Jamis Winston. Let's give
him a shot.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
Well, to finish the soliloquy he popped off in New Orleans,
he's popping off now with the Browns. I think that
Jamis has rebounded nicely from whatever people thought about him
as a starting quarterback previously to this, and I think
that Jamis Winston will be given another shot. I think
that this storyline isn't over. Similar to how Flacco came

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out off of the couch with the Cleveland Browns last year, Well, let.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
Me ask you this.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
To me, it's more like Baker Mayfield. In other words,
Baker Mayfield. And then all of a sudden, he has
now found a home in Tampa. Could that be the
Winston situation in Cleveland?

Speaker 3 (17:58):
Yeah, well, maybe not necessarily in Cleveland, but potentially with
another team. I don't know. Actually, let me let me
correct that. I don't know how long of a contract
he has with the Browns. I don't know if he
has another year on his deal. I don't know if
it's going to have to be a trade situation or
if he's a free agent after this year. But I
look at Jameis Winston and I say, if I'm his

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agent right now, I'm trying to stoke the flames of
other teams interests because I don't know if I want
a quarterback like Jamis necessarily to be linked with the Browns,
because I don't know if if that culture is set
for a while, I think it's possible that we could
see Kevin Stefanski get moved on from you know what

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I mean? I like, so why did it work for
Baker and Tampa Bay. Well, he was a bridge quarterback
who got an opportunity to start because Kyle Trask wasn't ready.
So if I'm if I'm Jamis Winston's agent, I want
to find a similar situation with him, maybe a new
head coach, maybe a situation where they're going to have

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a late round first round draft pick or a high
second pick where we need a quarterback, but we're gonna
bring in a guy to help groom a quarterback to
start for us in the future. And Jamis Winston has
every opportunity to win the starting job and be the
guy we count on in the near future.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
I don't think Stefanski is responsible for this mess. This
mess was ownership and their commitment to Deshaun Watson. That's
why the Browns are where they are right now.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
All right?

Speaker 2 (19:32):
Another touchdown pass for Baker Mayfield is the Bucks taken
early fourteen that they laid over the hapless Raiders and
all of a sudden we got this, you know, this
showdown in the NFC South, two teams sitting at six
and six. Somebody has to emerge as a division champion there.
The Falcons are in a free fall. The last week.
Kirk Cousins was awful, I need awful against the Chargers.

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Literally handed that game to the Chargers. He's played decently
so so far in this game. But if the Falcons
fall completely out of it, if the Bucks pass them,
which could happen today, and that's it, how long before
we see Penis in a quarterback because remember this, they
have a fully guaranteed twenty seven million dollars to Kirk

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Cousins next season. Yeah yeah, do you just eat it
and decide? We drafted Penis as a quarterback of the future.
If the Falcons after a six and three start and
with a losing season seven to ten something like that,
what do you say, forget Kirk Cousins.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
We got to give Penis an opportunity.

Speaker 3 (20:36):
What choice have you given yourself? This is the reason
why this was so stupid. Yeah, I mean, when you
moved up in the first round, nobody expected you to
take a quarterback. It was the shock of the NFL Draft.
The Atlanta Falcons essentially either wasted money in free agency
bringing in Kirk Cousins, or wasted a first first round

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pick and by the way, more capital so they could
move up in the first round to draft Michael Pennock Junior.
If this season doesn't result in a deep playoff run,
it's a.

Speaker 4 (21:09):
Waste because what are you doing otherwise?

Speaker 3 (21:13):
You already paid a quarterback, big time quarterback money. It's
not the top of the market money, but Kirk Cousins
making close to thirty million dollars a year plus whatever
he signed for it's not small potatoes. And then you
draft a quarterback. I mean it made no sense then,
and now that they're a six win team here in
Week fourteen, it's making less sense now. So yeah, I mean, essentially,

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you got to bite the bullet at some point and say,
Captain Kirk isn't getting it done. We've been talking about
how behind the scenes we've been grooming this player to
be the future of this football program. The ownership is
going to get a little bit antsy because they're gonna
be saying things like, hey, you remember back in April
when you told me it was a good idea to
draft Michael Pennock Junior. Yeah, we're about to lose this

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season away and we were favorites to win the division.
So why don't you do me a favor and show
me why we drafted him in.

Speaker 4 (22:06):
The first round.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
So guess what, ready or not, Michael Pennock Junior is
going to be your starter because of your ownership's impatience,
or your front office impatience, or maybe your impatience as
a head coach starting to feel the seat get warmer
underneath you. So this is the bed that they made,
and unfortunately for the Falcons, now it's week fourteen, you

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have to lay in it. So we'll see if Kirk
Cousins can resume some of the mid season success that
the Falcons were showing and get back on the winning ways,
because if not, this could be disastrous for Atlanta.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
All right, let's find out what is trending right now.
Yesterday months the announcing.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
That she was going to be at the Seahawks.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
Cardinals game today in Glendale, Arizona. And so the man
that every time I look up he's here, did that way.
The man is one of the busiest people. Reared and
Fox Sports ready, and Martin is in the house.

Speaker 6 (23:06):
I like Jameis Winston, if you put me on the
roster as a backup, I will see the field.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
Yes, and no fear, because like Jameis Winston, he could
throw pick sixes all day and also throw four touchdown passes.
I mean, everyone talks about that thirty interception year, but
he also have thirty three touchdowns that year.

Speaker 4 (23:24):
Who does that?

Speaker 1 (23:25):
You have to have no conscience, just like Martin.

Speaker 7 (23:29):
Well, let's go ahead to get into it.

Speaker 6 (23:31):
The Jaguars right now, the Titans leading the Jaguars, and
a I don't know if.

Speaker 7 (23:35):
We wanna call it a battle.

Speaker 6 (23:37):
Five wins combined between both teams with one minute left
in the first quarter. Mac Jones just throwing an interception
in this game. Nick Folk with a forty six yard
field goal that something the scoring up there. At the
end of the first quarter between the Dolphins and the Jets,
Miami has a six to three lead. Devine hm with
air rushing touchdown. They missed the extra point. Andrews Calson
kicked a twenty six yard field goal. Just happens, Sam Darnold.

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What they pass to Jordan Addison forty nine yards for
a touchdown that ties the game between the Falcons and
the Vikings at seven to seven. With thirty seconds left
in the first quarter, Tyler Jeer has a touchdown for
the Vikings.

Speaker 7 (24:11):
No scoring so far between the Saints and the Vikings.

Speaker 6 (24:14):
But Saints and the Giants rather, But New Orleans is
knocking on the door first a goal on the Giant
eight yard line make Blake Groopy missed a fifty three
yard or earlier today for the New Orleans. Same deal
in Panthers Eagles. No score there, third and two Philadelphia
deep in their own territory. We'll see if that goes.
Three minutes forty eight seconds left in the first quarter.
Four minutes left in the first quarter between the Browns

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and the Steelers. Jamis Winston quarterbacking Cleveland seven to three.
The score that's on a Jerry Judy thirty five yard
touchdown catch. Chris Boswell kick the field goal from thirty
yards out for Pittsburgh, scoring fourteen nothing. Buccaneers over the
Raiders right now, two thirty left in the first quarter.
Baker Mayfield with two touchdown passes eight for nine ninety
two yards on the night, on the day, rather I say,

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Gentleman of Milne with one of those. Rashard White with
the other touchdown catch. The college football Playoff is set Oregon, Georgia,
Boise State, and Arizona State of the top four seeds.
As Alvin Kamara goes into the end zone, they have
to open the scoring in newar I'm sorry. Kendrey Miller
goes into the end zone to open the scoring between
the Saints and the Giants six to nothing, extra point pending. Oregon, Georgia,

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Boise State, Arizona State the top four seeds and have
first round buys in the College Football Playoff first round matchups.
Twelve seed at Clemson will play a fifth seed at Texas.
The Winter plays Arizona State in the Fiesta Bowl. Ninth
seed the Tennessee plays at eighth seed Ohio.

Speaker 7 (25:34):
State, the Winter plays Oregon in the Rolls Bowl.

Speaker 6 (25:37):
The eleventh seed SMU will play at fifth seed Penn State.
The Winter plays Boise State in the Peach Bowl, and
ten seed Indiana plays seventh seed on a Dame. The
winner plays Georgia in the Sugar Bowl. That extra point
in New Orleans is up and good. That's seven to
nothing Saints over Giants. Nearing the end of the first quarter, Steve.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
Rischpeckteave Ah Martin, thank you very very much. A very
busy day in the NFL. Once again, this is Red
Zone Radio, all right, Rich again, I'm just captivated by
the bottom feeders in the NFL right now. So going
into this week, Giants, Raiders, Jaguars all at two and ten,
Pats at three. In ten, Pats have a quarterback, Jags

(26:19):
have a quarterback, Raiders and Giants don't. We talked earlier
about the Raiders if they were to get shoudor Sanders,
would Dad followed to Las Vegas.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
Let's talk about the Giants.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
I don't think Brian Dables sitting pretty right now with
a seven game losing streak. If Shaudoor Sanders ends up
as a New York Giant, do you see Dion Sanders
as the next coach of the New York Giants.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
I think that wherever Shoudoor goes, Dion and Shouldor are
going to try to make it a package deal. So
I think that whatever agent represents the two of them
is going to be politicking to get Dion and should
Or in the same facility. Now, whether you think it's

(27:03):
gonna work or I think it's gonna work, that has
no room in this conversation, because guess what, even though
everybody told them it was a bad idea, the Falcons
drafted or thought it was a bad idea. Michael Pennick
Junior is a Falcon. They traded up to get them,
just like we were talking about. Even though everybody in
the world thought it was a terrible idea for the

(27:26):
Browns to trade away their entire future and signed Deshaun
Watson to the largest contract a quarterback had ever signed,
the most guaranteed money a quarterback had ever signed for
in the history of the league, they still did it.

Speaker 4 (27:40):
So all it takes is a few people in.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
A room to hammer out the details of a deal
that either could potentially end in disaster or who knows.
I mean, maybe Pennock Junior being drafted by the Falcons
works out. Maybe Deshaun Watson figures it out. This offseason
proves us all wrong. Doubt it, I sincerely do, but

(28:03):
I do think that there could be an NFL team
to do this, and it might be the Giants.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
All right, let's talk about a game right now with
no score.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
That would be the Panthers and the Eagle.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
Panthers on the move right now, have a second down
and thirteen at the Eagles twenty six yard line.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
Big story this.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
Week somebody placed a wager of three point one million
dollars on the Eagles to win about four hundred and
fifty thousand dollars.

Speaker 8 (28:27):
Bo Benson.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
Bo Benson was, was that your you win?

Speaker 4 (28:31):
Somebody?

Speaker 9 (28:32):
How stupid I would be to bet on this Eagles team?

Speaker 2 (28:34):
So right now, and this is a Panthers team, it's
not a good team, but Bryce Young is showing life.
He certainly did against the Chiefs, and you know he's
inching his way toward respectability. They were willing to take
this deal, saying, all right, well, if the guy wins,
we can afford the four hundred and fifty thousand dollars payout.

(28:56):
But if he loses, we rake it over three million dollars.
Does that make any sense to you? Rich? You're you're
a gambling guy, Would it makes sense to you to
wager over three million dollars on an NFL game for
a payoff of four hundred thousand?

Speaker 3 (29:12):
Well, no, no, it doesn't make any sense to me.
But there are certain people, as we know, on this planet,
who have the type of money that three million dollars
doesn't even make a dent.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
Yeah, but why for? I mean it doesn't. I mean
if you have that kind.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
Of money, especially in the NFL, which we know this
league expecting unexpected.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
It's the Panthers are.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
Not the team we saw earlier this year. They are
playing better football. And what's the point of this bat?

Speaker 3 (29:43):
I don't get it. Well, just everything in perspective, right,
you know, say you're down to your last fifty bucks
and you're playing a fifty dollars hand of blackjack, and
all of a sudden, a double down opportunity comes comes
your way, and everybody is.

Speaker 4 (29:56):
Behind you like, oh, you gotta double that.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
I mean, what are you doing? Look what the deal is?
So you throw your chips behind it. All of a
sudden you have one hundred dollars hand of blackjack, and
you feel like the whole room is looking at you.
Imagine if you're at a tax bracket where the only
way you could get your rocks off gambling is by
risking three million dollars to win a half a million.

Speaker 4 (30:18):
Like that's to.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
Me, it's just it's the same game. It's just at
a different level. So it does make sense to me,
because if you look at life, everything's relative, and so
for that gambler, that's what he needs to get excited
about again. And guess what, a sportsbook's gonna take that
action because they look at it as a great chance
to market their sportsbook because guys like us, we'll talk about.

Speaker 4 (30:40):
On the radio.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
Now looking at the game, here's the problem for the Panthers.
The Philadelphia Eagles defense has been playing at an elite
clip since their bye week back in Week five. Since then,
their first in points allowed, first and yards per play,
first in sacks with thirty, first and force.

Speaker 4 (30:56):
Fumbles with fifteen.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
Many of those on those sacks that they had thirty
of them will remind you. And also, the Carolina Panthers
are one of the worst offenses in the week, so
even though they're driving right now. If the great equalizer,
which is the sixty minutes of a football game, bears
out the way, we think this will be an Eagles win.
This guy will walk away with four hundred and fifty

(31:19):
thousand dollars and that'll be the storyline. Like, wow, I
guess much ado about nothing.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
By the way, yesterday when we had Eric Dickerson on
the Last Question, MONTSI asked him about Sakuon Barkley possibly
breaking his record at twenty one hundred and five yards,
and Eric goes, well, let me make one thing perfectly clear.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
No, I do not want to lose my record.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
But also let's make this clear with the seventeen game
schedule over the sixteen game schedule he played.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
He goes, look, I broke OJ's record and he.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
Only played fourteen games when he had two thousand and
three yards. I in sixteen games had twenty one hundred
and five yards. So he's not going to squabble over
you know, seventeen games, Saquon breaks his record, but he
did make it infinity clear. I don't want to lose
that record. Meanwhile, the Panthers get a field goal, so
the uh, the guy that bet three point one million

(32:12):
dollars on the Eagles at least temporarily is losing that bet.
All right, quick rundown right now. Buccaneers lead the Raiders
fourteen nothing, Browns over the Steelers seven to three, Saints
over the Giants seven nothing. Falcons and Vikings are tied
at seven. Dolphins got a field goal, increasing their lead
nine to three over the Jets, Titans and the Jaguars.

(32:34):
Why is that game being played there? You go three
nothing Titans in that game? All right, we're we're still
early on folks. Yeah, we're heading into second quarters. Seven
games around the NFL. For all the scores, for all
the stats, we're here. We're here for you. This is
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Speaker 10 (32:55):
Who's hey for touchdown for Jordonniston.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
That's k Fan one hundred point three FM. Vikings Radio Network.
Vikings and Falcons tied at seven inside twelve minutes to
go in the first half in that game.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
Red Zone Radio.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
Here Steve Harbin Rich Orenberger were live from the ti
iraq dot com studios. Hey break up the Jets, Isaiah
Davis just ran it in for seventeen yard touchdown. The
Jets have taken a commanding ten to nine lead against
the Miami Dolphins.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
It's a whole new show with the Jets.

Speaker 3 (33:37):
Yeah, you're you're done, right, it is, Steve. All of
a sudden, this AFC East battle that we have been
anticipating for months now is starting to heat up here
as we creep into the second quarter, we'll see how
this stunning, stunning episode of Who Cares ends soon.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
Okay, let's stop.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
Well, I'm watching a lot of the NFL shows today,
right they're trying to make a case that the five
and seven Dolphins very much in the playoff chase, the
five and seven Cowboys very much in the playoff race.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
They're not.

Speaker 4 (34:10):
They're not.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
In fact, if you look at the AFC right now,
Rich with the Broncos having a bye week, they're sitting
at eight and five right now, Even if the Chargers
were to lose tonight on the road against the Chiefs,
they'd still be eight and five.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
That was, that's two games clear.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
The Colts at six and seven, so with four games
to go, So both the Chargers and the Broncos are
in pretty good shape, right now in terms of the
wild card chase, the Cowboys are out of Forget the Cowboys.
You know, the NFC West obviously is the big play.
And it's interesting. We have three afternoon games coming up

(34:48):
here with it's all NFC West, right, We got the
Seahawks at the Cardinals, Rams hosting the Bills, forty nine
Ers hosting the Bears. Yeah, listen, and again somebody's got
to win division.

Speaker 4 (35:00):
Yeah, And just to.

Speaker 3 (35:02):
Rewind it back to where we started the segment with
the Jets getting in that zone and the Dolphins in
this afcast matchup, and the thought process of a remote
chance for the Dolphins or excuse me that the Dolphins'
playoff hopes are still alive.

Speaker 4 (35:17):
They are remote at best.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
If the Dolphins win the rest of their games, they
still will probably miss the postseason.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
They need help.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
In other words, Yeah, you could win out and go
ten and seven, but you have again, even if the
Chargers lose at Kansas City, they're eight and five.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
Now, if the Dolcos are eight and five, If.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
The Dolphins had won last week and they got their
record to six and six, and they were leading by
fourteen points heading toward halftime, I would tell you, Oh wow.
All of a sudden, the Dolphins may have reinserted themselves
into this playoff conversation. However, last week's loss to the
Packers was the win that they actually needed to be

(35:58):
in the conversation. Done their toast, their dog meat, and
if they lose to the Jets, it's even worse.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
All right, let me ask you right now about the Vikings.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
So we've been talking on the NFC side, Eagles, Lions, Lions, Eagles.
Yesterday Adam Kaplan asked, Adam, I said, if we had
a game this week between the Eagles and the Lions
on a neutral field, which way would you go? And
he says, I say Eagles only because you're asking about
this week and that Lion's defense has really banged out.

(36:26):
The question is how many of those Lion defenders save
Aiden Hutchinson, are going to be back for the Lions
once they get into the postseason. Are we missing out
on the Vikings? I mean, they won five in a row,
then they lost a couple. Now now they're on another
winning streak. Right now they're sitting at ten and two.
Should the Vikings be in the conversation as a possible

(36:48):
NFC champion?

Speaker 3 (36:50):
You remember when there was real MVP buzz around Sam Darnold.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
Sure, five and oh start.

Speaker 3 (36:55):
He's playing better than he was playing during any of
those five games.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
Right, they won five and lost to Now they won
five in a row.

Speaker 4 (37:02):
Again.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
His past three games have been the best of his season.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
That comeback last week against the Cardinals. We were sitting here, like,
what happened? How'd that happen?

Speaker 3 (37:11):
Yeah, He's combined over the past three games for eight
hundred and eleven yards, seven total touchdowns, and he hasn't
thrown a pick. This three game stan for Sam Donald
is better than any of his three games during the
five game winning streak. Sam Donald is playing like more
of an MVP now this recent streak.

Speaker 4 (37:34):
The Vikings are.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
On five game this threak.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
Again, they need to be more respected than they were
to start the season. But because they went into that
mid season low, people are looking over the Vikings.

Speaker 4 (37:45):
Do not look past this offense.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
With Sam Donald playing this way, I don't know if
it's sustainable. I'm not going to say it's sustainable, because again,
this is the best we've ever seen him play football,
and also we saw the mid season trough, So I
don't know if he can keep it up.

Speaker 4 (38:00):
But I do know this.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
When Sam Donald's playing like this and that Vikings defense
is playing the way that they're capable of, this is
one of the best teams in the NFC.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
All right, let's go to bow right now, our Eagle resident.
Are you fearing at all the Vikings or are you
just focusing on the Lions?

Speaker 11 (38:20):
No?

Speaker 9 (38:21):
I don't know. The Lions are really good. Obviously, they
just won three games in eleven days. I'm not the
Vikings are weird. I still don't trust Sam Donald overall,
or their defense has kind of not been as good
as it was to start the year.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
All right, Well, how about our Allons insider, Chris, if
you had a matchup of the Vikings instead of the Eagles,
would you be breathing a sigh of relief?

Speaker 8 (38:43):
I think so as well.

Speaker 12 (38:44):
Yeah, yeah, I think the if nothing else, what the
Vikings were doing early on in the season doesn't seem
to work when they're in division They have struggled a
lot of their divisional opponents. And I mean they let
the Packers back in a game where the Packers were
dead as.

Speaker 8 (39:02):
A door nail early on in the year too.

Speaker 12 (39:05):
I just I think that Sam Darnold's kind of that
touchdown to Jordan Adison was kind of fluky. I'm I
don't I much more fear of the Eagles at this point,
even though knowing that the Eagles sometimes have you know,
muck games like they're currently having right now with the Panthers.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
Yeah, I look at I look at the Eagles as
being the best roster in the NFC just currently with
the health they have and the type of players they have.
I look at the Lions as being the best team
in the NFC for the way they've played all year long.
I'll look at the Vikings as the scariest team in
the NFC. That's the way I would That's that's how

(39:40):
I label them best roster, best team, scariest.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
All right, Well, y got seven games going on right now.
Not a lot of scoring so far around the NFL.
For all the latest scores, the stats, everything you need,
keep it here. This is Red Zone Radio. First down
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Speaker 11 (39:56):
Ryfield shot got dropping looking to us right now, back
to his left.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
It was a dark talkball of the one hit the
go line touchdown for Shaan White.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
Dark Zone low and White ticks it out right on
the chalk.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
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a fourteen to nothing lead over the Raiders nine minutes
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Speaker 1 (40:15):
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And you know we were talking earlier about Jameis Winston
in his Future of the Browns. By the way, he's

(40:43):
struggling today, just four of eleven passing sixty two yards,
a touchdown and a pick in that game. But Russell
Wilson is also struggling rich He's five of eleven, just
twenty one yards passing in this game so far against
obviously a pretty good Browns defense. Where are you city
right now? With this nine to three Steelers team? Where

(41:04):
are you city right now? With Russell Wilson?

Speaker 3 (41:08):
I was talking about the Vikings being the scariest team
in the NFC.

Speaker 4 (41:13):
I think I want to give that label.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
To the Steelers, because the Steelers, I don't think their
roster really keeps people up at night. Outside of their
defense have very talented defense. They've got a lot of
dogs on that defense, but offensively they're a little sparse
outside of Pickens.

Speaker 4 (41:30):
When you look.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
At the makeup of this team, the way they've won games,
and you say to yourself, yeah, they're winning games, but
I mean, are they dominating any of their opponents?

Speaker 4 (41:41):
No, not really.

Speaker 3 (41:42):
But then you look at their record, and you look
at their coach, and you look at how well Russell
Wilson has played since returning to the field in the
NFL after having some early injury issues with that calf
coming out of training camp, and you say to yourself,
my goodness, does anybody in the AFC field like they
match up really well against the Steelers? The answer is

(42:04):
absolutely not. That is the scariest team in the AFC.
The Bills don't want to see him in the postseason.
The Chiefs don't want to see him in the postseason.
Trust me when I tell you nobody wants to see
this team in the postseason because they just they provide
such an uncanny matchup. You're not going to see You're
not going to see a team or many teams built

(42:26):
like them throughout the course of the season.

Speaker 4 (42:28):
But it's an effective strategy and they've won.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
By the way, I'm just watching this Carolina Eagles game again.
The intrigue in this game is that three point one
million dollar bet on the Eagles. The Panthers had the
ball first and goal at the one yard line, actually
second and goal at the one yard line, and Bryce Young,
lined up under center, trips over either the center or guards.

(42:51):
Touchdown Panthers. By the way, Wow, touchdown, Panthers take the lead.
But as a guy that was an interior offensive lineman
yourself playing the center and guard positions, did it ever
happen to you where the quarterback tripped over your foot
after the snap of the ball?

Speaker 4 (43:07):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:09):
I mean it's happened at practice, it's happened in games,
and it's your fault.

Speaker 4 (43:14):
It's your fault.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
When you are your fault, you're looking forward.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
You have no idea what the quarterback is doing behind you.

Speaker 3 (43:21):
Your your goal is to protect the quarterback at all times. Wow.
So if somehow what you're doing is having a negative
impact on the quarterback, it's your fault. Now, Don't get
me wrong. There have been times where, for example, on
a quarterback center exchange under from under center, where I've

(43:42):
snapped the ball and I know that ball hit the
same exact spot in the old undercarriage as it's hit
one million times before, and the snap is fumbled and
we come to the sideline and I know for sure
that it's the quarterback's fault.

Speaker 4 (43:56):
I tell the coaches, Yeah, that one's on me.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
I'll get it right the next time, because your job
is to make sure that that guy has nothing to
think about except playing the best football he again.

Speaker 4 (44:06):
So yeah, whatever whatever they did, they screwed up.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
Rich In the old days, and I mean the old
days when almost ninety nine percent of the quarterback snaps
were directly under center. Until the Cowboys started running a
little bit of a shotgun offense with Roger Staubach, I
rarely saw quarterbacks stumble over the feet of their offensive lineman.
My thought is, you so rarely now have a quarterback

(44:31):
lined up directly under the center that they're just not
used to it.

Speaker 3 (44:36):
That's that's actually a very fair observation that you just made.
When when when college quarterbacks come to the NFL. Even
quarterbacks that have been playing in the NFL for a
long time and they don't have a lot of experience
under center, it can lead to some issues with center
quarterback's change for work.

Speaker 4 (44:55):
Yep, yep.

Speaker 3 (44:57):
But at the same token, there is a ruin the NFL.
It ain't his fault, it's ours. So we'll fix what
we're doing to make sure that quarterback's comfortable back.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
By the way, I know this is old school reference,
but I can't help myself. Bernie Kozar when he came
out of the University of Miami after with the International Championship,
had a really productive career with the Browns, but he
was so slow afoot that when Bernie Kozar lined up
under center, which was the most time, his right foot
was behind him so he didn't have like his feet

(45:29):
next to each other under the center to get that
extra step out of the center because.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
He was so slow.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
Yeah, he actually if you look at the old film
of the Browns of Kozar lineup under center, his right
foot was already behind him to try to get that
quick first step out of the center. That's how slow
Bernie Kozar was. Still a great quarterback, but really, really slow.
All right, Dolphins have retaken the lead with a field
goal over the Jets twelve to ten, but the Jets.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
Are on the move.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Some of the numbers in this game right now, Tua
Tongua Bailola twelve or fourteen hundred and thirty four yards solid,
no touchdowns, no picks. Aaron Rodgers eight of thirteen hundred
and thirty two yards, no touchdowns, no picks. So the
stats of this game are pretty even. One of the
questions moving forward for the Jets, if Aaron Rodgers is
not a Jet, is DeVante Adams a Jet?

Speaker 1 (46:23):
In twenty twenty five?

Speaker 2 (46:24):
Your thoughts.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
Well, listen, I think that strongly depends on who the
Jets bring in a quarterback, because DeVante Adams has a
lot more yesterday is logged in this NFL than he
does tomorrow's. And I think the reason why he has
now jumped ship on the Packers to the Raiders and
shipped on the Raiders to the Jets is to play

(46:47):
with quarterbacks who he deems worthy of his talent and
potentially helping that team to make a deep playoff push
and win a Super Bowl. That's something that he still
hasn't yet done with his career. He's a phenomenal player.
He's a wide receiver, one on virtually every roster outside
of maybe a handful in the NFL. So I think

(47:10):
he's going to try to find either excuse me, either
he is going to wait and see who the Jets
bring in and then plead his case to get out
of New York depending on who they decide on, or
he's going to look for greener pastors elsewhere where. All
those things I just discussed will be fulfilled.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
Did you think that the penalty was the right penalty
three game suspension for the big hit last week on
Trevor Lawrence.

Speaker 3 (47:35):
I really don't know what a defender is supposed to
do anymore in this league. I was listening to one
of our buddies, Mark Schlereth, talk about this, and I
thought he made a great point about the running quarterback.
When a quarterback leaves the pocket and there is a
first down marker that a defender is trying to defend,

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and a quarterback can execute a slide so late that
you are already in the process of tackling that you
can no longer change your pad level, because that is
a two hundred and thirty pound man running as fast
as he can at you. So if you're gonna defend
that first down marker and you're not going to get hurt,
you need to throw yourself at that giant bodied quarterback

(48:20):
as hard as you can.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
Well, the reason it was three games is we're talking
about a repeat offender. Okay, he had just been fining
the week before for a bad hit, but I get it, but.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
Three games seemed steep to me.

Speaker 4 (48:34):
Everything is circumstantial.

Speaker 3 (48:35):
I don't know what the Shahir hit looked like two
weeks ago that they're saying is repeat defender. So I
don't want to speak on that, but I saw what
I saw against Trevor Lawrence, and I know this. If
you're going to stop a tight end who's the same
size as Trevor Lawrence, who's running for the first down marker,
you're gonna do exactly what with Shazir did in that play.

(48:59):
You are going to low over your shoulder and you're
going to throw yourself at that big body man.

Speaker 4 (49:03):
You're going to try to stop him in his tracks.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
The reason why it's a penalty is because Trevor executed
a late slide, changed his pad level instantly, and you
already had a defender who was in the act of
making the tackle hit him too high. Now I feel
bad for Trevor Lawrence. I don't want anything bad to
happen to Trevor Lawrence. But Trevor Lawrence was part of
the reason why he was knocked unconscious because he made

(49:28):
a decision to give himself up. And guess what, if
he didn't have a concussion, they still draw the flag.

Speaker 4 (49:33):
It's still a first down.

Speaker 3 (49:35):
And maybe it's a smart football player if he doesn't
knock himself out of the game and knock himself off
of the roster for several weeks while he recovers from
a concussion. But still to the point of how do
you stop a mobile quarterback? I think they need to
change the rules because these late slides are getting quarterbacks
hurt and they're making defenders look like villains, and all
they're trying to do is play football.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
Touchdown pass Sam Darnold to Justin first and the Vikings
take a fourteen to seven lead against the Falcons. Kirk
Cousins after a hot start, not so much anymore. I
actually made a bold prediction on this game. Oh wow,
that Kirk Cousins, who threw four picks last week against
the Chargers, would duplicate that today. Oh he's got one.

Speaker 1 (50:22):
Yeah, that's tough, and back to back games.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
It has to be a bold prediction, like, not a
predictable one, a bold prediction.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
All right, coming up on the other So I will
continue to update you.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
We're nearing halftime now these seven games around the National
Football League, and we're gonna get a preview of the
game later on between the desperate forty nine Ers and
the not so good Chicago Bears. This is Red Zone Radio.

Speaker 13 (50:46):
Young is in the gun Harvard right hip shotgun snap,
quick throw near sign Tommy Trimble into the end zone
front right corner of the end zone.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
Carolina back on top. The gutsy call pays.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
Off ninety nine to seven the Fox Panthers radio network,
and imagine betting three point one million dollars on the Eagles.
Panthers are leading right now ten to seven men and
a half to go in the first half of that game. However,
Bryce Young just threw an interception on a deep pass,
so the Eagles have the ball right now at the

(51:20):
Carolina thirty two yard line, one twenty six to go
in the first half. Of that game. Once again, this
is Red Zone Radio, Steve Hartmin and Rich Ornberger. We
are with you covering all these games going on right now.
So anyway, Yeah, by the way, Bo Benson has got

(51:41):
a theory. Body want to share it now about the Eagles.
He's hanging on right now. We're hoping to hook up
here shortly with Jonathan Villma, our buddy to preview the
upcoming game between.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
The Bears and the forty nine ers.

Speaker 8 (51:54):
But don't look now, Darnell Mooney huge catch and the
Falcons are in the red zone.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
Wow.

Speaker 8 (52:01):
Sorry, not that we got to call it the red area.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
Now apparently is that true?

Speaker 8 (52:05):
We do, I've heard some I've heard some area. I
think that was in college.

Speaker 12 (52:10):
I don't know if this is because of the show
Red Zone with Scott with Scott Ansen, but like I've
noticed some ESPN college shows the red area.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
First of all, it's we now in college have the
two minute time out, yes, but it's still the two
minute warning in the NFL. By the way, the Jets
just got a field goal to retake the lead.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
Back and forth with the Dolphins.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
Jet lead now thirteen to twelve inside a minute ago
in the first half, by the way, finally, mercifully, it's
halftime in that Titans Jaguars game. This game will be forgotten.
What's already forgotten? Titans three Jaguars. Nothing rich at the
half at.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
Two things one, Absolutely nobody cares about the Titans Jaguars games.

Speaker 4 (52:56):
Too.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
We could call it red zone, and we will continue
because the name of the damn show, Chris.

Speaker 4 (53:02):
Is red Zone Radio.

Speaker 14 (53:03):
I know, yes, so we will continue calling it the
red zone, which the Falcons are currently in, and hopefully
try not to squander this great opportunity before the end
of this half.

Speaker 3 (53:14):
Twenty seconds left in the half. They trailed the Vikings
right now fourteen to seven in Minnesota Falcons six and six,
Vikings ten and two. This would be an enormous win
for the Falcons on the road.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
All right, Well, let's find out what's gonna happen a
little bit later on today. Is the forty nine ers
desperate for a win to stay alive in the playoff?
Chase Well, hosts of the Chicago Bears. Johnny is right now.
He was a Super Bowl champion, three time Pro bowler.
Pride to the huge on of them. Vilma is back
with us. By the way, Jonathan, I was at the

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game where you guys blew out Nebraska in the BCS
Championship game at the Rose Bowl. I was at that game.
In your opinion, is the two thousand and one U
team the greatest collection of college talent of all time?

Speaker 15 (54:02):
Ye, I don't know if that's even an opinion. That's
a fact at this point. You look at what we
did during that season, and then you look at all
the players that were drafted from that team and all
the players that had for ducting in the NFL. It
really is. It's a factual statement that we were the
best college team ever in the history of college football.

Speaker 3 (54:26):
Jonathan Vilma joining us Hey, speaking of football and defensive dominance,
like we saw at the U during your years there,
performances around the league are hampered defensively by how much
quarterbacks are protected. The hit on Trevor Lawrence, the three
game suspension. Before we get into the game you're covering today.

(54:47):
We were discussing this earlier, Jonathan, and my thought was,
what does a defender do if that were a tight
end in space, you would you would try to guard
the first down marker by throwing yourself at a big body,
tight end the same way the defender did in that
play against the Jacksonville Jaguars Trevor Lawrence. He changes levels,

(55:08):
he slides, he gets knocked unconscious, and all of a
sudden flags are thrown. I don't know, and maybe you
could help us here. I don't know what a defender's
supposed to do in that circumstance.

Speaker 15 (55:22):
It is a very tough situation for the defenders. And
you know, we have to go back to the rule
of the law and what the intent is the law
or the rule is to obviously protect the quarterbacks. They
don't get to hit a lot in practice, they're arguably
the most valuable player as far as dollars, as far

(55:46):
as pooring to the game, etc. So I understand why
they're going to be overprotective of the quarterbacks. The problem
comes where the quarterbacks start to then take advantage of
the situation where they start to slide through eight. They
start to kind of jog when they're down by the
sideline if they're out of bounds. Out of the bounds,

(56:06):
they're kind of treading that fine line, and it's really
hampering the intent of the rule because to your point,
if I'm the linebacker, I'm going to do exactly what
he did to Trevor Lawrence. That it's not intentional, It's
that he's not a defenseless runner. He's running all of
a sudden. You want me to now, within the fraction

(56:29):
of a second change my course because he decides to
slide late those That's a very very tough situation. So
what I'm getting at is the quarterbacks, if they want
to be protected, the rules are to protect them, then
you have to act accordingly. Right, if you're going to
fly slides, if you're not going to slide, don't fly,
but don't try to put all of the responsibility on

(56:50):
the defender and on the linebacker to recognize in that
fraction of a second when you decide that you want
to slide, or you decide you want to get out
of bounds, like, there has to be some response, aability
from the offensive perspective. The quarterbacks specifically that if the
rules are to protect you, so if you want to
be protected, then you need to act accordingly in the game.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
Jonathan, When you look at this forty nine Ers team
sitting at five and seven, and I know they've had injuries.
Every team has injuries, then they've had significant injuries. But
when you look at this forty nine ers team, Jonathan,
can you see other problems that they really haven't addressed
in terms of well, it's not just injuries the reason

(57:34):
the forty nine ers have struggled this year.

Speaker 15 (57:37):
Yeah, I would say I see other problems. Speaking with
both Shanahan and Sorenthon, they have addressed it or they
are aware of it pat a minimal. If they're aware
of it, I'm sure that they're addressing it with their players.
So you know, one thing I see is the inconsistency,

(57:58):
particularly in the run fit. I'm talking on the defensive
side right now. And when I say inconsistency, there are
times when it's good and then there are times where
you have one person that decides to rush the quarterback
instead of you know, stay in their gap, or you
have one player that decides they're going to bounce outside

(58:19):
as opposed to sitting inside on the run fit. So
you see the inconsistency, and I guess the good is
that you can correct that it's coachable. The bad is
that you're more than halfway through the season and it's
still really hasn't gotten corrected. When you want to be
peaking right now you're frankly struggling. And then on the
offensive side, it's really about the yards after catch. That

(58:41):
was what we all knew know about Shanahan's offense Stanford
Tisco past three five years. You had guys in space,
always making five, six, ten extra yards and that was
just kind of their staple. You get Debo, Samuel and space,
you had George and now all of a sudden you're

(59:01):
not really getting that. The run game is still there.
They rush the ball pretty well against the Buffalo Bills.
They just aren't making those plays out in face and
then accord the turnovers, right, that's a glaring issue for
the second half. At two games, three turnovers in each
game in the second half. Again, that's correctable. The problem

(59:22):
is that you haven't seen that get corrected yet this
late in the season. So if they put an emphasis
or focus on correcting turnovers, making sure to get the
guys out in space, make them plays stop the run,
you can easily see San Francisco being a contender to
win the division later on down the stretch.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
Jonathan Vilma joining US Bears forty nine ers. He'll be
on the call later on today. So the Bears looking
to snap a six game losing streak, first game for
interim head coach Thomas Brown after the Eberflus firing. So
what should we expect from Brown's new regime, even though
it'll just be until the end of the season.

Speaker 15 (01:00:03):
Energy, expect energy, expect unity. That was the theme this week.
Speaking with Thomas Brown, Eric Washington, some of the players,
it was all about clarity, unification, wanting to be one right.
A team that is frankly talented. They have some really
good players, Teenan Allen, DJ Moore, Caleb Williams at number

(01:00:25):
one pick. Defensively, they have Montest Sweat, they have players
that can make plays. So on paper, you look and say,
this is a pretty good team. What's going on? And
just by the comments made as I was interviewing them
earlier this week, it seems like they were on They
weren't all on the same page, and it sounds like

(01:00:45):
Thomas Brown wants to get everybody on the same page.
You do that, you play with energy, you play with
some passion, and you're going to have a surprisingly good
Chicago team where you kind of look and say, hey,
where these guys come from? Right? So that's where I
expect down to stretch from them, and they can be.
They were and have been in all of their games

(01:01:06):
that frankly last three games lost by total seven points.
So it's not a stretch to say that they can
win a lot of their games going down the backstretch.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
Well, I want to end this, Jonathan by saying, I
was at that game. That is the greatest college football
team of all time, and I mean it's not even close.
I mean it's not even close.

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
Jonathan.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
We always appreciate the time. Thank you so much. Enjoy
the game today.

Speaker 15 (01:01:34):
All right, thanks very talking with you.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
Jonathan Vilma.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
Just to go back on that team in two thousand
and one, with all the great players they had, they
also had these guys that were freshmen on the team.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
He might have heard these guys.

Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
Frank Gore was a freshman on that team, Sean Taylor
was a freshman on that team, and Vince Wolfork was
a freshman on that team.

Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
Yeah, I mean, Sean Taylor one of the biggest hit
safeties in the history of the game. Frank Corer one
of the some of the most yards we've ever seen
gained on the ground. In the NFL sixteen, thou and
then Vince Wilfork, a wrecking ball of a defensive tackle
one day will be in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
And they also had by the way, Ed Reid Andre
Johnson both are in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
It's crazy, It is crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:02:28):
Was the best defensive back in the history of the league.

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
And then interception stats are runed, and.

Speaker 3 (01:02:35):
He also as a special teamer. He was such a
problem on the football field. And then and then you
look at Andre Johnson on some of the worst Texans
teams you've ever seen, he shined like like Randy Moss
with Tom Brady. He was an unbelievable receiver.

Speaker 4 (01:02:52):
So yeah, you might be right.

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
That might be the most talented college football team there's
ever been assembled.

Speaker 7 (01:02:57):
Ever.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
Ever, alright, let's find out what is trending right now,
Martin is back. So Martin, how is it to us
sit here, watch seven games simultaneously and then supply every
single stat from every one of these games. Well, let's
see how it goes.

Speaker 6 (01:03:15):
Tis Devin three to zhering lead over the Jaguars, just
getting started in the second half. There, Mac Jones is
twelve for nineteen one hundred twenty yards passing with two interceptions.
Like you guys have said, not a lot of offense
in this matchup. But thing of note, Will Levi is
injured on the last play of the first.

Speaker 7 (01:03:29):
Half on a sack by Josh Allen.

Speaker 6 (01:03:32):
Obviously Jacksonville has the ball. We'll see what happens when
Tennessee comes out there. Maybe we'll see Mason.

Speaker 7 (01:03:36):
Rudolph at the half.

Speaker 6 (01:03:39):
Dolphins with a fifteenth to thirteen lead over the Jets.
Couple field goals for Andrews Carlson. Jason Sanders also has
a field goal divine eight. Chant with a rushing touchdown
which they actually missed the extra point after that one.
Justin Jefferson has his first down, first touchdown and over
two months he had a twelve yard touchdown catches. The
Vikings lead the Falcons fourteen to ten the half. Kirk

(01:04:00):
Cousins swell for nineteen with an interception that makes his
interception to touchdown ratio I'm sorry, touchdown interception ratio zero
to seven in his last four games, including today. Tyler
or Jeer with a rushing touchdown. Yeah, it might be
time to see what the left.

Speaker 7 (01:04:15):
He's got on the bench.

Speaker 6 (01:04:16):
Go to the bullpen halftime between the Saints and the
Giants the New Orleans with a seven and seven to
three lead after a Kendre Miller rushing touchdown Alvin Kamara
eleven carries twenty seven yards there.

Speaker 7 (01:04:28):
At the half.

Speaker 6 (01:04:28):
The Panthers had the lead for most of the second
quarter until brush On through an interception. He also has
a touchdown pass on today. Brush On to an interception
to CJ. Gardner Johnson and then Eagles were able to
score Devonte Smith touchdown nearing the end of the first
half to take the lead going into the locker rooms
fourteen to ten.

Speaker 7 (01:04:48):
Just went half at the Browns and.

Speaker 6 (01:04:50):
The Steelers Pittsburgh with a thirteen to seven lead, Jamis
Winston with a touchdown and Nazi Harris with a touchdown
rush Jerry Judy one catch so far with that thirty
five yard or for a touchdown. Man at the half
between the bunk there you go, see I almost at it,
almost at it. I was almost there.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
You were rolling along.

Speaker 7 (01:05:11):
I feel like the Raiders right there. I got the ball.

Speaker 6 (01:05:14):
I'm Aidan O'Connell and the Senators hit me in the
face with the I wasn't ready for the snap. At
the half, the Buccaneers with a fourteen to ten lead
over the aforementioned Raiders. Baker Mayfield, with two touchdown passes,
had Raiders unfortun interception right at the right under the
two men.

Speaker 7 (01:05:32):
The warning with Jack Jones ended.

Speaker 6 (01:05:33):
Up getting called for pass interference, so Tampa kept the ball,
did not score, but fourteen to ten.

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
Back to you guys, all right, Martin, by the way,
not happy with me and the heisman. I'm not going
to get into any in depth explanation.

Speaker 7 (01:05:48):
All I'll say, Rich is.

Speaker 6 (01:05:49):
That people have there's only a limited amount of people
who have that vote. When with that vote becomes power,
and with power comes responsibility. And I feel as from
what I have heard around the office to little birdies
wist Briton scuttle butt going around that Steve did not
necessarily execute his responsibility to the highest matter.

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
That's my problem, that's my bif. All right, Well, that's
very good, and Martin has strong opinions. I respect that.
I respect that a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
Once again, this is the Red Zone Radio, Steve Hartin
and Rich Ornberger with you.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
All right, with the halftimes around the league, I wanted
to look ahead to this matchup again. Moncey yesterday announcing
She'll be at this game in Glendel, Arizona, as the
Cardinals host the Seahawks. Big battle for first place right
now in the NFC West. So with the forty nine
ers struggling, and it's amazing with all the injuries they've

(01:06:44):
had on their offense, how ordinary brock Perty suddenly looks.
Rams obviously are still in it, but they've got a
tough task today as they're hosting the red hot Buffalo Bills.
So now you got to look at Cardinals Seahawks. I
think most people thought going into the season these two
teams would be looking up at the Rams and the
forty nine Ers, it could be the exact opposite what

(01:07:06):
your gut feeling, Cardinals. Let me ask you this, the
way the Cardinals lost that game last week to the Vikings,
where they seemingly had the game in hand and it
got away from them. I know you always say turn
the page, but when you're at this point of the
season where every game is so important, how difficult is
it for the Cardinals to turn the page on that

(01:07:27):
kind of loss to the Vikings.

Speaker 3 (01:07:29):
Oh, it's enormous, it's enormous. Look, here's the biggest thing
the Cardinals have to fix is their red zone struggles.
They have been magnified losing these past two weeks. Look,
they're sixteen point seven percent from Sunday and their thirty
eight point five clip over the past three games is

(01:07:51):
the canary in the coal mine. When you are only
scoring on less than twenty percent of your red zone
visits or over the course of a three game span
less than forty percent, you are squandering opportunity after opportunity.
So that's the biggest problem for Arizona is getting into
the red zone and finishing in the end zone. It

(01:08:13):
seems so simple, but the problem is when you get
down to the red zone, especially where you're down the
fifteen yard line, in all of a sudden, the defense
only has a twenty yards or less of field to defend,
so the passing lanes get tighter, the room that Kyler
Murray has to run and improvise gets tighter. Also, the

(01:08:36):
risk of being sacked in those situations, because Kyler Murray
is not afraid to lose a lot of yard at
you when he's scrambling around in the backfield. But if
you risk taking a sack in the red zone, you
could knock your team out of field goal position potentially,
so all of a sudden, it gets way riskier to
run the sort of backyard offense that Kyler can can
get away with in between the twenties and so the

(01:08:59):
Arizona Ronalds they have to fix this red zone problem.

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
It's been an interesting year for the Seahawks.

Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
Remember they started three to zero, then they lose five
out of six, and now they're back on a three
game winning streak. Gino Smith has thrown a ton of
passes this year, but thirteen touchdowns twelve interceptions. That is
not an acceptable ratio. And I don't know why they're
not getting more out of their running game with Kenneth

(01:09:25):
Walker and Zach Sharbonnay. Those two guys are quality backs
and yet neither one of them is even averaging four
yards a carry.

Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
But here they're sitting in the cap.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
I mean, if they win today, Rich, they pretty much
are in the driver's seed to win the NFC West
with a rookie head coach.

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
So where are you right now with the Seahawks team?

Speaker 4 (01:09:48):
The Seahawks are difficult to I look, here's the thing.

Speaker 3 (01:09:54):
I will believe it when I see it, right, you know,
I think Mike McDonald is a capable defensive coordinator and
a capable head coach. So far, this defense is playing
inspired that win over Arizona, or excuse me if they
if they get a victory here, right, You're going to

(01:10:16):
see probably a lot of the Punnits shift their view
from the Cardinals to the Seahawks all of a sudden.
But I'm waiting to see the result of this game first.
It does feel a little bit like we've grabbed the
tail of a dragon and we're taking flight with the Seahawks.

Speaker 4 (01:10:34):
And then as soon.

Speaker 3 (01:10:35):
As they get to a game where they must win it,
they do something crazy and lose it. Gino Smith has
a bad game, the offense turns the ball over. I
will believe it when I see it with the Seahawks.

Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
Well, and think about this.

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
If you look at the Seahawks' schedule after this game,
they have back to back home games against the Packers
and the Vikings.

Speaker 1 (01:10:55):
Yeah, back to back home games.

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
Against the Packers and the Vikings not and then they
go to Chicago and then the last game could decide
the NFC West, a road game against the Rams.

Speaker 4 (01:11:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
Yeah, So I'm with you.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
I I you know, the Seahawks there's nothing that just
wows you about this team. It's almost like a matter
of attrition right the NFC West, with the forty nine
Ers struggles this year, I will say consistency so with
the Rams and the Cardinals, to me, is really the
main reason why the Seahawks are sitting where they're sitting.

Speaker 3 (01:11:29):
The one thing I will say is this Jackson Smith
and Jigba has been phenomenal. So over the past three
or four games, I'm trying to think he's he's He's
been on this tear his past four games. He saw
ten plus targets in two of them. He is the

(01:11:51):
go to guy now in Seattle. He has become exactly
what they hoped him to become. Playing opposite of DK Metcalf.
He has been this this tremendous addition to this offense.
A little bit of a slow start to his NFL career,
but he's off to the races. But again, since all
of the press has really been around the Rams and

(01:12:14):
you know their injury issues, and the and the forty
nine Ers and their injury issues and Kyler Murray's back,
Gino Smith and the Seahawks and their new head coach,
they've kind of been an afterthought. If they win this game, though,
they're going to force people to pay attention.

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
Absolutely, and of course it would be their second one
over Arizona, so you know, potential tie down the road.

Speaker 1 (01:12:35):
They would have that tie breaker against Arizona.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
So big game obviously for both those teams in the
NFC West. All right, coming out of halftimes, now seven
games around the NFL for the stretch. Run on these
games and more on the game still on today's schedule.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
Keep it right here. This is Red Zone Radio.

Speaker 13 (01:12:53):
Youngest in the gun Harvard right hip shotgun snap, quick
throw near side Tommy Trimble into the end zone front
right corner of the episode.

Speaker 4 (01:13:02):
Carolina.

Speaker 1 (01:13:03):
It is third down on the yard.

Speaker 2 (01:13:05):
Hurts now he's touch push now he's under center. This
time he pushes, he shoves, and he's having touchdown. Finally,
he said, that's ninety four WIP Eagles Radio Network. Eagles
in a battle against the Carolina Panthers lead of fourteen
to ten inside eleven minutes ago in the third quarter.

(01:13:29):
This is Red Zone Radio. Steve Harmer, Rich Ornberger with you.
We are live from the tay Iraq dot Com studios.
Rich I have not asked you about your Nitney Lions. Yeah,
by the way, as dreadful as that SEC championship game
was between Georgia and Texas Texas, that's how good the

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Big Ten Championship game was between Oregon and Penn State.

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
Quite a battle.

Speaker 2 (01:13:57):
So your Nitney Lions end up as a sixth seed,
haigan on the eleven seed, SMU.

Speaker 1 (01:14:01):
Congratulations to the Mustangs.

Speaker 2 (01:14:03):
They deserved it. They should not have been Alabama. It
wasn't it's SMU. And then think about this. The winner
of that game gets a very surprising three seed that
would be Boise State. Now, remember Boise State only lost
one game all year and that was on the road
by three points to the number one team in the country, Oregon.
But there's a potential path there for your Nitney Lions.

Speaker 3 (01:14:25):
I like it, SMU.

Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
Boise State and maybe I don't know, semi finals showdown
with Georgia down the road.

Speaker 3 (01:14:32):
That does feel like the path that you would hope for.
And here's the thing that I will say, the moxie
and the heart that the Penn State Nitney Lions played
with cannot be underrated. I think Oregon they are the

(01:14:53):
most complete team in the country. I think they're the
best team in the country. And I know I'm not
saying much there because there is a chorus of people
agreeing with me. But what I will say is Penn
State is still somehow underrated. I think because they didn't
punch it in a couple of times against Ohio State.
There's this thought process that you know that James Franklin

(01:15:16):
can't win these big games because he hasn't. I'm not
as big of a believer in that type of stuff.
I think that football is awfully circumstantial. I think that
when you bail on a coach who's successful but hasn't
won the big one yet, you make a huge mistake.
I felt that way when the Philadelphia Eagles fired Andy Reid.

(01:15:37):
I felt that way when the San Diego Chargers, the
then San Diego Chargers fired Marty Schottenheimer. And I feel
this way about James Franklin. James Franklin has kept the
Nitney Lions in the conversation nationally since he showed up
on campus, by the way, just a few years after
a scandal that rocked college football and the world. So

(01:15:59):
I think what James Franklin has done for Penn State
is more than people are willing to admit. And I
also think the job he has done outside of maybe
some of these big games, has been incredible. I'm very
hopeful that this program gets to a national championship and
at very least has a bite at that apple, and
we'll see what it looks like potentially the second time

(01:16:21):
they play Oregon here in the postseason college football.

Speaker 2 (01:16:24):
All right, the Jets just got a touchdown Aaron Rodgers
to Devonte Adams, and the Jets have now taken a
nineteen to fifteen lead over the Dolphins. As you know,
my one bold prediction for the NFL this year was
the Broncos and bow Knicks getting into the playoffs. There

(01:16:45):
in the driver's seat right now. Still some games to
be played, but you look at these quarterbacks with all
this experience at the college level. I want to ask
you about Dylan Gabriel, Hey got really good?

Speaker 3 (01:16:55):
Well, what since you mentioned the score of that game,
do you want to know what my bold prediction was?
Aaron Rodgers winning the MVP. Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
Okay, well, I don't think that's gonna happen, but you
know there's always miracles. Dylan Gabriel, go ahead, six years
in college, three at Central Florida, two at Oklahoma, and
now this one year at Oregon. He's going to be
twenty four years old later this month. He's only five
foot eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:17:21):
This guy has.

Speaker 2 (01:17:22):
Thrown for over eighteen thousand yards in his college career,
one hundred and fifty three touchdowns sides wise. Obviously, it's
going to hurt him in terms of, you know, where
he goes in this draft. But do you look at
this guy because essentially he's left handed, He's not all
that different size wise than to a tongue of Biloa.

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But when you talk about a guy like Dylan Gabra
with all that kind of experience at the collegiate level,
is that a plus or minus going into the NFL?

Speaker 3 (01:17:51):
Oh, it can't be underrated. Is enormous plus. And here's
the thing that a lot of people slept on. So
Ja Daniels coming out of out of LSU. You forget
that A that wasn't his first year and b that
wasn't his only two years in college football.

Speaker 4 (01:18:11):
You also played at ASU.

Speaker 1 (01:18:13):
Three years at ASU, two at LSU.

Speaker 3 (01:18:15):
So he was an experienced college football player. And when
I said that he is the most NFL ready product
in college football coming out, people were like, well, yeah,
you had one good year. So what I'm like, No, No,
you're looking at this the wrong way. It's how much
have you seen at that level? Dylan Gabriel is the
most NFL ready quarterback that will be coming out of

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college football this upcome Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:18:38):
So even though shud or standers cam Ward projected to
go higher, you would say based on this experience he's
had at three different schools, especially leading Oregon to a
number one ranking this year, he has he's the most
ready right now for the NFL.

Speaker 3 (01:18:53):
Right now, I think he'll have the earliest impact depending
on the team that he has drafted, and because he'll
probably be taking lower down in the first or higher
up in the second round of the draft, he's got
a better opportunity to get drafted by a better team,
and depending on the circumstance when he sees the field,

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he'll be playing with better talent around him. A huge
problem for highly talented quarterbacks coming into the league is
the level of talent they're playing with is usually minuscule
because they're being drafted by teams like the Panthers or
teams like the Giants or the well Jets probably aren't

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that bad of a team roster wise, but you get
my drift. Normally, it's a bad situation.

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
The Raiders are trying to make a comeback to take
the lead against the box.

Speaker 1 (01:19:45):

Speaker 16 (01:19:46):
An I formation still there, O'Connell under center, can I
Mauga is right in front of Cecere McCormick. O'Connell keeps it.
They push him towards the end zone. They're still pushing
O'Connell's rushing touchdown.

Speaker 2 (01:19:59):
Raiders Hey to O'Connell pushed from behind by Mauga.

Speaker 1 (01:20:05):
That's Raider Nation Radio nine twenty a m.

Speaker 2 (01:20:08):
However, the Raiders open up the second half with a
sixteen play drive that ended.

Speaker 1 (01:20:16):
With a eight and O'Connell interception.

Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
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Speaker 1 (01:20:47):
In the sense that you've earned that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:50):
I mean you you know when you when you look
at the NFL Richid obviously you know this beter than anyone.
It really is a coin toss in just about it.
These are the best football players on the planet, you know,
and you have a good day or bad day. But
when you have way more bad days than good days,
or way more good days and bad days, there's a

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reason for that. So for every great team that's sitting
there at ten and two, they've earned that. But believe me,
you've also earned it. If you're two and ten, it
doesn't happen by chance. You got to be bad and
the Raiders again open up the second half, suddenly an
opportunity to take the lead. Boom, O'Connell throws an interception,

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bucks get the ball back.

Speaker 3 (01:21:33):
I completely agree with that assessment. It is really difficult
to be really good in the NFL. It is also
equally difficult to be really bad in the NFL. And
people say, well, how does that make any sense? Well,
it makes sense because do you think players want to
be bad? The answer is absolutely not, because their livelihood depends.

Speaker 4 (01:21:57):
On them being good.

Speaker 3 (01:21:58):
It is easier to stay on on a roster for
longer if you're on a good team. It is easier
to stay in the NFL for longer if you're associated
with winning as a player as opposed to losing. I mean,
we literally label quarterbacks as such, Oh he's a winning quarterback.

Speaker 4 (01:22:15):
Oh he's a losing quarterback.

Speaker 3 (01:22:17):
So it is really hard to lose at a high
rate in the NFL. And to your point, Steve, you
absolutely do have to earn it. You need to blunder
huge opportunities. You need to be completely the opposite of
clutch in situational football moments. You need to make bad
decisions from a personnel standpoint, from a game plan standpoint.

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You need to allow weather to affect you more than
your opponents. So many things have to go wrong for
you to be a two win football team. But every
year we see two and three and four win football
teams finish a seventeen game regular season, and we say
what went wrong? Well, the answer is a lot, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
That guy that bet three point one million dollars on
the Eagles, guess what Carolina takes the lead on a
Chuba Hubbard touchdown.

Speaker 1 (01:23:09):
However, the extra point.

Speaker 12 (01:23:12):
Is missed, also adding so Carolina leads the Eagles sixteen
to fourteen. Also adding to this wrinkle for the Carolina Panthers,
they challenged short of the goal line and the call
in the field stood. So now they are down two
timeouts already in the second half. So that got them
a touchdown, but missed the pat and loses a timeout

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on the challenge.

Speaker 2 (01:23:34):
Well, the fact is they're leading a ten and two
Eagles team and the Panthers are three to nine. Why
the guy about three point one million? So Panthers lead
the Eagles sixteen to fourteen. Saints Giants, I'm just gonna
skip that game. What is what is worse? The Titans

(01:23:54):
Jaguars are the Saints Giants? I mean, seriously, I mean,
I'll put it this way. Both these games are in
the third quarter. Combined points for four teams right now sixteen. Okay,
that's four points per team on average in the third quarter.

(01:24:14):
We talk about in NFL football. This is a questionable
NFL football being played by the Saints Giants and the
Titans and Jaguars.

Speaker 4 (01:24:22):
I don't know what's worse.

Speaker 3 (01:24:25):
I mean, the only thing I can say I guess
about the Saints is among the other four teams, I
should say three of the four teams we're talking about,
they're the only one who has their season.

Speaker 4 (01:24:38):
Starter in a quarterback and Derek Carr.

Speaker 3 (01:24:40):
Yeah, so I guess that puts the Saints Giants game
a little bit ahead of the Titans Jags game, but
not by much. We're talking about the dregs of the NSC,
the dregs of that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:53):
You want to hear some stats right now, Ali, So
Derek Carr, you mentioned, Derek Carr not a great day,
fifteen to twenty three hundred and thirty si yards, no
touchdowns on a pick drew lock. Now the Giants quarterback
seven of twenty two sixty yards. How is Brian Dables
so coaching this team? Wasn't he supposed to be the
quarterback whisperer. Wasn't even the guy that got all the

(01:25:16):
credit for Josh Allen, you know, becoming a you know,
like a sixty nine percent passer when he was a
fifty eight percent passer at Wyoming. I don't know what
he's whispering to these quarterbacks anymore, but there it's not working.

Speaker 3 (01:25:29):
Do you remember it was a week ago or two
weeks ago when our engineer Chris Purfet was standing on
the console and shouting to the rooftops like, why on
earth is Tommy cole cuts in for the New York Giants.
Why don't you kick the tires on Drew Lock, who
is the much better quarterback in New York. Yeah, I
think I think you caught. I think you called Detroit fever.

Speaker 2 (01:25:51):
I think he really into Detroit. Why why DeVito? You
gotta go with Drew Lock where We're like, well, they're
trying to lose. That's why they got DeVito out there.
At least he's a little they're losing for you. Well,
Drew Locke. Right now, Drew Lock is seven of twenty two.
That's less than thirty three percent. By the way, touchdown
pass Sam Darnald was justin Jefferson fifty two yards and

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the Vikings increased their lead to twenty one to thirteen
over the Atlanta Falcons. Sam Darnald twelve of seventeen, two
hundred and nineteen yards, three touchdowns, no picks. That's a
pass a ratio one fifty two six of perfect ratings
one fifty eight three and justin Jefferson having a day
five targets, five catches, one hundred and twenty yards and

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two scores.

Speaker 3 (01:26:36):
And by the way, I just saying it out loud here,
this this should feel like a home game for Kirk Cousins.
I mean, Kirk Cousins played for a very long time
in Minnesota. Kirk Cousins, I mean, he was pretty beloved
by Minnesota fans overall. I think there were some, you know,
moments where some of those fans were there was a

(01:26:59):
lot of hand rasing over some moments on primetime.

Speaker 4 (01:27:03):
Or in the postseason.

Speaker 3 (01:27:03):
But overall, I think there was a lot of love
for Kirk Cousins, even when he left in free agency.
But he is getting out played like strongly by Sam
Donald here, who's only thrown the ball seventeen times, but
he's been massively efficient, as you mentioned, three touchdowns on
the two nineteen through the air, only seventeen passes. Meanwhile,

(01:27:25):
Kirk Cousins fourteen of twenty four or two thirty, no touchdowns,
he's thrown a pick. I. It's interesting. It's interesting to
this extent, like Kirk Cousins has been pretty well protected
in certain games, He's been savage than others. He's actually
played better at times under pressure than he has with
a clean pocket. Sam Donald has been under siege for

(01:27:49):
games now. He's been getting hit a lot, He's been
getting sacked a lot. He's been getting banged up and
dinged up and going back into games a bunch. Sam
Donald is playing some of his best football now as
this and Wayne's on.

Speaker 1 (01:28:01):
Remember how a couple of weeks ago Jameis Winston in
the snow he was able to engineer a victory over
the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Speaker 2 (01:28:08):
This is what we call coaching. So two weeks later
they have a rematch. YEP, Jameis Winston today ten of
twenty two, one hundred and three yards and a pick.
James Winston all to say he is a rollercoaster ride
for Jamis went four hundred yards passing four touchdowns two
pick six is last week. But the Steelers did their

(01:28:28):
homework from two weeks ago. They have completely shut down
this Brown's offense today.

Speaker 3 (01:28:33):
So you asked me a question earlier, and I answered
it honestly. I do think that Jameis Winston is going
to get another opportunity and he will be a starting quarterback.
Whether it be for the Browns or someone else next season. However,
I will also say this because this is kind of
the butt part of that sentence, But I don't think

(01:28:54):
Jameis Winston is a very good quarterback. And this is
the reason why. It's because you'll get one of the two,
and it's never gray area. Either you get good Jamis
or bad Jamis. He is so wildly inconsistent. Sometimes he
shows up good Jamis and then in the second half
you get bad Jamis, or he shows up bad Jamis

(01:29:14):
and then in the second half you get good Jamis.
But good Jamis isn't good enough to bail out how
bad bad Jamis was in the first half of either
Browns games, or Saints games, or Tampa Bay Buccaneers games,
wherever he has stopped along his his quarterbacking path. He
is a frustrating quarterback because he is unbelievably talented. He
can run, he can throw it a mile, he can

(01:29:36):
make every NFL throw. He can throw it with touch,
he can throw it with accuracy, he can put it
on a frozen rope. But the problem is then he
will also cough it up and make some of the
worst decisions quarterbacks can make in the worst possible moments,
and he does it to team after team after team,
and he's never learned.

Speaker 4 (01:29:56):
He's just never learned.

Speaker 1 (01:29:58):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:29:58):
The Eagles right now have his second and goal at
the Carolina six yard line, trailing the Panthers sixteen fourteen.
A little swing pass is gonna be short, so they
have got a third and goal coming up at the
four yard line. By the way, Sakuon Barkley already over
one hundred yards rushing in this game, one hundred and
seven yards. If you missed it yesterday, Eric Dickerson was

(01:30:19):
on with me and Monsey. He made it clear that
he does not want anyone to break his record, which,
by the way, has been on the books.

Speaker 1 (01:30:27):
Can you believe this?

Speaker 2 (01:30:29):
Forty years? Whoa forty years he has held the wreckord
for most rushing yards in the season. Adrian Peterson the
year he was MVP, came up eight yards short. Barkley
will have the additional game this year, and right now
he's on pace. If he can get it done, we
will see. We're gonna continue on right now, we're heading

(01:30:50):
to it looks like a few games it could have
a very exciting finish.

Speaker 1 (01:30:55):
This is Red Zone Radio Urdnate.

Speaker 17 (01:30:57):
Ennisota six or eleven on third down, Sam.

Speaker 18 (01:31:00):
Under a lot of pressure, how'd you get away from
that NEWI cruise te Justin wide open touchdown Justin Jefferson
for the forty eight yard reception.

Speaker 10 (01:31:15):
But Sam Darnold was Budini for the day.

Speaker 2 (01:31:19):
That's k Fan one hundred point three FM, Vikings Radio Network.
But the Falcons answer Bejon Robinson gets in the end
zone and they get a two point conversion. So Vikings
and Falcons tied at twenty one. This is Red Zone Radio.
Steve Harbin, Rich Ormberger with you. We're live from the

(01:31:41):
Tirak dot com studios. Meanwhile, Rich, the Eagles taking the
lead on a touchdown Jalen Hurts touchdown pass, and then
they missed the extra point, but there was a penalty
against Carolina on the missed extra point half the distance
of the goal sides, I believe, and then the Eagles.

Speaker 1 (01:32:02):
Decided to go for two and they got it unreal.

Speaker 2 (01:32:05):
So instead of that being up twenty to sixteen with
the miss exer point, the two point conversion gives them
a twenty two to sixteen lead over Carolina inside fourteen
minutes to go in that game.

Speaker 1 (01:32:17):
Yeah, so we're hitting there.

Speaker 4 (01:32:19):
It is, and that is sort.

Speaker 3 (01:32:21):
Of the description of what we were talking about earlier, like,
how how are teams three win teams at the end
of the season or four win teams at the end
of the season.

Speaker 4 (01:32:30):
Well, this is how the Panthers.

Speaker 3 (01:32:32):
They kind of have the Eagles right where they want them,
and and and they they screw things up, you know
what I mean, Like they'll just consistently do it. Chris,
you were talking about that challenge earlier in the game.
A missed opportunity there obviously here at the goal line
after a score off sides on the extra point cost

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you a two point swing, which could prove costly later
on in the game. We'll see how things go oh
here as we enter the fourth quarter with thirteen minutes
left in this game. But that is that is pretty
much the prescription of how you become a bad team
or a three win team or a four win team
on the year is you completely screw up situational football

(01:33:17):
time and time again.

Speaker 2 (01:33:18):
All right, Jacksonville has just scored to take the lead
nine to six, penning the extra point on the road
against the Titans. I only mentioned that because technically this
is an NFL game, the Jets added a field goal
they extend their lead over the Dolphins to twenty three
to fifteen. Aaron Rodgers, by the way, twenty to thirty

(01:33:39):
two hundred and fifty nine yards in a score. He's
thinking about that MVP trophy that Rich guaranteed him before
the season.

Speaker 1 (01:33:47):
I want to detour for a second here. Bring on.
Bob Benson, are Steam producer.

Speaker 2 (01:33:52):
Has a theory about the quarterbacking situation with the Philadelphia
Eagles now leading the Panthers by six. Eagles the atten
and to Saquon Barkley having an MVP caliber season as
a running back. But Bo, you have some thoughts on
the future of Jalen Hurts as an Eagle.

Speaker 9 (01:34:11):
Yeah, and like also shout out to a odd couple
of producer Rob Garra for stealing my take and posting
it as if it's his own. Unbelievable work from him take. Yeah, No,
Jalen Hurts reminds me of Jared Goff before the Rams
needed detrade him to get a new quarterback in town
to win. Everybody else on this roster is built to
win now, But I don't know if you can win

(01:34:34):
with Jalen Hurts as your quarterback. Outside of the one
year where they got to the super Bowl and loss
of the Chiefs, which you know, Jared Goff got to
the super Bowl, lots of the Patriots, He's not played
well enough to certainly we'll live up to the contract
he got.

Speaker 1 (01:34:46):
Well, let's slow down for a second here.

Speaker 2 (01:34:47):
I mean, his performance in the super Bowl is a
lot different than God's performance.

Speaker 9 (01:34:51):
That's true.

Speaker 1 (01:34:52):
In the Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (01:34:52):
Had it not been for that flu dropping of a ball,
he was the Super Bowl MVP.

Speaker 9 (01:34:57):
It also has not gotten better that the apex of
his career so far.

Speaker 2 (01:35:02):
And why is that?

Speaker 9 (01:35:03):
Yeah, that's a good question.

Speaker 2 (01:35:04):
Yeah, knows Well, they gave him the huge contract. I mean, again,
it's always interesting, Rich and we've seen this time and again.
You've seen this from teammates players, you've gone against. Money
affects people differently.

Speaker 4 (01:35:16):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:35:16):
I mean there are certain guys that get paid a
lot of money and they never slowed down, you know,
whether it was a Tom Brady or Patrick Mahomes, these
guys don't you know. Okay, there's more money in the bank.
That doesn't change Yeah, he doesn't change them at all.
I mean they're still driven to be the best they
can possibly be. Other guys, all of a sudden, it's like, ooh, okay,

(01:35:38):
got a little security right now, and maybe don't force
themselves to push the great the old time legends, no
matter how much talent, they have constantly pushed themselves to
be better constantly.

Speaker 4 (01:35:50):
I think that.

Speaker 3 (01:35:53):
Look, everybody is chasing comfort. Okay, if you are financially insecure,
you're chasing to be financially more secure. If you're hungry,
and I'm not even talking about hungry, like you don't
have food to eat, but I'm just saying like you're
you're hungry because you've had a long day, you haven't
really been able to slow down long enough to grab

(01:36:15):
a meal.

Speaker 4 (01:36:17):
I mean, you will.

Speaker 3 (01:36:18):
You will prioritize now feeding yourself over getting home.

Speaker 4 (01:36:22):
You will, You'll.

Speaker 3 (01:36:23):
Prioritize feeding yourself. You know, maybe if it's you're you're
almost out of gas, but hey man, you know McDonald's
is right there, the gas station's right there. I'd rather
push my car across the street than not have food
in my stomach. For just a little bit, Like, all
of a sudden, you start to look at life a
little bit differently. When things are taking care for you like,

(01:36:45):
if all of a sudden you're getting paid where you
no longer have to clip coupons, are you gonna be
clipping them?

Speaker 4 (01:36:52):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:36:53):
Are you gonna be looking for sales or are you
just gonna go to the grocery store and get what
you need to get and get out of there, Like
you know, there are problems that you have that money
can solve and that comfort that we're all seeking. When
you're an NFL football player and you're hungry and you're
working out like you are, you are you are starved.
You are a starved animal looking for your next kill.

(01:37:15):
That is a very different mentality than when all of
a sudden, you have about two hundred million dollars in
your bank account. Life slows down a little bit. You
can say yes to more things. You don't have to
necessarily work as hard as you once did because you've
already made it, You've already arrived. You're absolutely right, Steve.

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There are certain guys who that never influences. And I'm
not even saying that Jalen Hurts is one of those guys.
I don't know him personally, I don't know how he
works in the offseason, but I do know, I've seen
that change in a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (01:37:47):
He hasn't gotten better. That's the bottom line is. I'll
tell you who is getting better. Sam Darnld just throw
another touchdown pass.

Speaker 1 (01:37:54):
No defense in this game, there's Sam Dardald. Listen to
these numbers.

Speaker 2 (01:37:57):
Sixteen of twenty two to two hundred ninety one yards,
four touchdowns, no picks. Had to pass the radio one
fifty four to four and get these numbers.

Speaker 1 (01:38:06):
Justin.

Speaker 2 (01:38:06):
Jefferson six catches, one hundred and twenty five yards and
two touchdowns. Jordan Addison six catches one hundred and eighteen
yards and two touchdowns. So the Vikings retake the lead
twenty eight to twenty one over the Falcon. Still plenty
of time left in this game. But Sam Donald, all
of a sudden, guys is beginning to get hot again.

Speaker 9 (01:38:28):
Is there any reason why Sam Donald shouldn't be top
two MVP?

Speaker 2 (01:38:33):
Well, I mean this year, by the way that passed
that he just threw the Jordan Addison, which was in
the front corner of the end zone was an absolute dove.

Speaker 4 (01:38:42):
I mean that was a.

Speaker 12 (01:38:43):
Perfect bat Like he's been throwing these high long balls
all day. Yeah, and Addison and Jefferson are just there's
always in Atlanta defender right on top of them, but
they're just wretching the balls away.

Speaker 1 (01:38:55):
But this has been his story from the beginning.

Speaker 2 (01:38:58):
With Sam Darnald, we saw one as a red shirt
freshman at usc beating your Penn State Nitney Lyons and
that Rose Bowl. I mean it was I mean, this
kid looked like unbelievable because he could make plays to
get to extend plays, great athleticism, he could throw every
different direction, and then the next year he has more
turnovers personally than two thirds of the teams in the country.

Speaker 1 (01:39:20):
So it's been all over the map.

Speaker 2 (01:39:21):
But when he is honed in, when he is focused
and doing what he can do, he's as good as
they get.

Speaker 9 (01:39:28):
We all assume that Josh Allen's like the leader in
the clubhouse or the MV right, mm hmm. Sam Donald
has a better completion percentage, more yards, more touchdowns, yeah,
better yards per attempt. The only thing he's worse at
his interceptions. He has five. He has ten to Allen's five.
But when you consider the fact that everyone was picking
the Vikings to be the worst team in their division

(01:39:51):
if not football like, well, I don't know, I don't
know how he's not the MVP front runner.

Speaker 4 (01:39:55):
At this I will say this.

Speaker 3 (01:39:56):
I will say this, and bo, I believe in everything
you're saying, and I thin I think he should be
in the conversation. I was saying that earlier in the show. However,
if you look at the Buffalo Bills and some of
the teams they beat, and you look at the Minnesota
Vikings and the list of teams they've beaten, it's a
very different looking.

Speaker 2 (01:40:12):
Will and especially when you consider if you look at
the if Sam Donald's going to get on the radar
as far as MVP, he's going to have a chance
on the field. So next week they host the Bears,
their last three games at the Seahawks, Packers at home
at Detroit. Yeah, those are the Vikings last three games,
so on the road against the Seahawks team that obviously

(01:40:34):
will need to win to you know, stay in the
race in the NFC West, Packers at home, and then
at Detroit. Now, if he goes to Detroit, yep, and
they beat the Lions and win the.

Speaker 1 (01:40:47):
Division, no, I get it.

Speaker 2 (01:40:49):
Then then then all of a sudden, yes, Sam Donald's
in the MVB conversation.

Speaker 3 (01:40:54):
Here's their wins to date. Arizona, Chicago, Tennessee, Jacksonville, Indiana.
That's green Bay on the road, Lambeau. That was a
very impressive win for the Vikings earlier this season. Houston
San Francisco Giants. Not a single one of those games
except for the road win in Green Bay.

Speaker 4 (01:41:13):
Are you like wow?

Speaker 2 (01:41:14):
Like, yeah, they did engineer the comeback last week against Arizona.

Speaker 1 (01:41:18):
I get it's impressive.

Speaker 3 (01:41:19):
I get, you know, and actually, maybe I'm probably not
giving him enough credit because record wise Arizona, but I
do think Arizona is a scary team to prepare for.

Speaker 2 (01:41:28):
Well, it's just the manner in which he won that game,
because it looked like Arizona had that game.

Speaker 4 (01:41:33):
Oh, they most certainly did.

Speaker 3 (01:41:35):
It was both a mixture of Arizona giving it away
and the Vikings taking it from them. But yeah, so,
I mean, let's put that in the halfway category. So
you have one and a half impressive wins in terms
of just the way the record lines up for the
Minnesota Vikings, and then you look at the Bills and
the type of.

Speaker 4 (01:41:53):
Season they've had. They've been impressive.

Speaker 3 (01:41:56):
Now, don't get me wrong, Josh Allen has been impressive
all season long. The Bills have been, and with the
same record ten wins, they've been an impressive team as well.
But the type of teams that they've beaten kse Okay,
the best team in record wise in the NFL. Seattle
on the road a bigger win than people will give

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credit for Arizona to start this season. And some of
these teams that they should beat, they're beating by a
million points, like San Francisco. It wasn't even close the
Indianapolis Colts game. I know it's thirty to twenty, but
we watched that game. That wasn't even close. They beat
the Jacksonville Jaguars earlier this season with Trevor Lawrence still healthy,

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forty seven to ten. I mean, they were pummeling teams.

Speaker 4 (01:42:41):
Now. The one big blemish on their record.

Speaker 3 (01:42:44):
Is that hideous loss they took to the Baltimore Ravens
earlier this season. But to say that Sam Darnold isn't
in the MVP conversation or shouldn't be, is an enormous oversight.

Speaker 1 (01:42:55):
Here they went out, He's definitely there.

Speaker 2 (01:42:57):
By the way, after the Vikings touchdown, Atlanta fumbled on
the kickoff return, so the Vikings have the ball right back,
leading twenty eight to twenty one.

Speaker 1 (01:43:08):
They're at the.

Speaker 2 (01:43:09):
Eighteen yard line with a first down. All right, let's
find out what is a trending?

Speaker 1 (01:43:15):
Right now? Martin is back. So do you like this?
I mean red zone radio? And this is pretty cool,
isn't it?

Speaker 3 (01:43:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:43:21):
I mean, you know, it's the biggest difference in my
Sunday is now I'm you know, reading through the scores,
but I was watching football whole sunday.

Speaker 7 (01:43:27):
Anyways.

Speaker 3 (01:43:28):
That's true, exactly, very true.

Speaker 1 (01:43:30):
This is what I always tell people what is like
to do?

Speaker 2 (01:43:32):
I go, I would be sitting here on a Sunday
watching the games anyway, right, I got multiple TVs and what.

Speaker 1 (01:43:39):
Our job is is to talk about the games.

Speaker 4 (01:43:42):
So yeah, Simon, it's not bad.

Speaker 2 (01:43:43):
Yeah, where do you sign up for that?

Speaker 7 (01:43:45):
Well, you know I would have watched.

Speaker 6 (01:43:48):
I wouldn't even complain about Jacksonville, Tennesseeans.

Speaker 2 (01:43:51):
A little bit of game.

Speaker 13 (01:43:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:43:55):
Yeah, technically, I guess.

Speaker 6 (01:43:57):
If you forced me, if there's one touchdown scored and
it still counters the witching hours, is like the witching
fifteen minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:44:03):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 4 (01:44:05):
Yeah, we could switch that up, that's for sure.

Speaker 6 (01:44:08):
So the Jaguars score touchdown, first touchdown of the game
for either team in the fourth quarter. We're at the
two minute warning now Jaguars ten, Titans six. At thirteen
minutes left in the fourth quarter, the Jets have an
eight point lead over the Dolphins twenty three to fifteen.
Aaron Rodgers just got sacked. See if Miami can come
back in this one. The Viking there we go with
a twenty eight to twenty one lead over the.

Speaker 7 (01:44:30):
Falcons with eleven minutes left in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 6 (01:44:32):
Sam Darnold with four touchdown passes so far, two of
those to Justin Jefferson. He hadn't caught a touchdown before
today in about two months. The Saint seven fourteen three
lead over the Giants with fourteen minutes left in the
third quarter. Derek Carr one touchdown pass to Juan jenningw
Dwan Johnson the tight end twenty two to sixteen. The
score between the Eagles and the Panthers Philadelphia with the

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lead eight minutes left in the fourth quarter. Sakwon Barkley
seventeen carries, one hundred and sixteen yards rushing. Bryce Young
with the touchdown pass and an interception twenty twenty seven
to seven the Sword with Pittsburgh and Cleveland. The Dealers
with the twenty point lead there thirteen minutes left in
the fourth quarter. Russell Wilson with two touchdown passes. Jerry
Judy with the loan touchdown for Cleveland. It was in

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the first quarter fourteen to ten with the score between
the Buccaneers and the Raiders. Baker Mayfield with two touchdown passes.
So the seer McCormick just I think its second NFL game,
was called.

Speaker 7 (01:45:25):
Up from the practice squad just last month for the Raiders.

Speaker 6 (01:45:28):
He's got fifteen carries on seventy eight yards. Aidan O'Connell's
the starter in this game. He was carted off. Desmond Ritter,
your quarterback for Vegas Raiders.

Speaker 2 (01:45:37):
Back to you guys, all right, Martin, thank you very
much once again. Red Zone Radio here, Steve Hartman and
Rich Ornberger. All right, if the Vikings are knocking on
the door right now, second and goal, and by that
Falcons defense is playing top. There's a flag on the
play on this second and goal. We'll see where the
penalty is. But the Falcons are not about to concede

(01:46:00):
this touchdown to this Vikings team. And meanwhile, we're actually
inside two minutes to go here, the Titans have the ball,
fourth down at the nine yard line of Jacksonville.

Speaker 1 (01:46:17):
We don't even have this game on anywhere here, but
I mean, we're we're gonna come back. We have this
game right down to the wire.

Speaker 2 (01:46:23):
A fourth and three at the Jacksonville nine with a
minute twenty to go, the Titans trying to pull this
game out. Will Levis is in and he just threw
a pass incomplete.

Speaker 1 (01:46:35):
Yep, the Jaguars down.

Speaker 2 (01:46:38):
That's the Titans.

Speaker 3 (01:46:39):
That's how it goes.

Speaker 2 (01:46:40):
Well, that's not good for the Jaguars. Now, the Jaguars
again one of those teams in the chase for worst
record in the NFL. How do you feel about Doug
peterson job security?

Speaker 4 (01:46:51):
Not great? I would say not great.

Speaker 1 (01:46:55):
Most likely they will be the destination for Travis Hunter.

Speaker 3 (01:47:00):
Correct, Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. So as
it stands right now, they would they would be able
to bring in the two way player from Colorado.

Speaker 2 (01:47:08):
WHOA you say two way player? All right, let's let's
talk about that for a quick second here. I mean,
what Travis Hunter has done this year obviously is heisman worthy.
I mean, to me, you look at genty and him,
both of that Heisman years. One of them is gonna
win it, one won't.

Speaker 1 (01:47:22):
But both Disseri, what do you do with Travis Hunter
at the next level?

Speaker 3 (01:47:26):
I mean, whatever Travis Hunter wants to.

Speaker 2 (01:47:28):
Well, you've seen sho hey Otani do something we never
thought possible right at the major league baseball level. Is
impossible in twenty twenty five next season for Travis Hunter
to do anything remotely likely has done throughout his collegiate
career playing both ways.

Speaker 3 (01:47:44):
It's possible, not likely. But we all said the same
thing about Joe hey Otani. So I'll repeat what I
just said. He's gonna do whatever Travis Hunter wants to
do because in the NFL, look, the NFL essentially has
more pull than any singular player. But any singular player

(01:48:04):
can get a lot negotiated against any singular franchise because
we've seen that time and time again. You know, I
mean going back to the first hour of the show
where we were relitigating Deshaun Watson's contract with the Cleveland
Browns and the fact that they're going to have to
eat that contract. Well, somebody was going to sign and
trade for Deshaun Watson, somebody did, and Watson got exactly

(01:48:29):
what he was looking for. You know, this is what
it is in the NFL. All these owners are working
together in some ways, but all of them are competing
against each other in certain ways. So if Travis Hunter
wants to be a two way player at the next level,
guess what. He's going to be a two way player
at the next level because he's too special to miss
out on if you want his talent.

Speaker 4 (01:48:49):
And the seam went for show.

Speaker 3 (01:48:51):
Hey Otani, he said, I want to pitch and I
want to hit, and a lot of teams went, well,
we don't want you to hit, We just want you
to pitch, and he went, well, then I'm not coming
to your team. And so, even though there's a draft,
even though players are supposed to go where they're slotted,
if Travis Hunter wants to play both offense and defense,
he will go to the team that allows him to

(01:49:12):
do that. And there will be a team that allows
him to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:49:15):
Sam Donald just threw his fifth touchdown pass once again
to Jordan Addison, who has three touchdowns justin Jefferson as two.
Sam Donald now twenty one to twenty seven, three hundred
and twenty one yards, five touchdowns, nose picks not quite perfect,
passer rating one fifty five one fifty eight is perfect,
and the Vikings now lead the Falcons thirty five to
twenty one. Meanwhile, the Buccaneers have just gotten a touchdown

(01:49:39):
from White up the middle, so the Buccaneers increase their
lead over the Raiders to.

Speaker 1 (01:49:44):
Twenty one to ten.

Speaker 2 (01:49:46):
Remember, if the Buccaneers win this game and the Falcons
go down to defeat in Minnesota, the Buccaneers will take
over first place in the NFC South. And this is
a team, by the way, looking to make the playoff
rich for the fifth and secutive year.

Speaker 3 (01:50:03):
Well, yeah, you know, you start going back and retracing
the Buccaneers steps in terms of the decisions they've made.
A quarterback Tom Brady followed by Baker Mayfield. Not bad
win When the greatest of all time followed by a
former first overall draft pick.

Speaker 2 (01:50:18):
Two guys with the chips on their shoulder, right, isn't
that interesting? One guy was a sixth round pick, obvious
chip on his shoulder that carry Brady throughout his career.
Then you have a guy that was the first overall
pick in the draft.

Speaker 12 (01:50:30):
And still with a chip on his shoulder if I
may too as part of this game. I think I'm
still on course for my Raiders prediction. Really, I I
don't know how there were people buying the kool aid
on this team to start the year.

Speaker 1 (01:50:44):
Well, a lot of people were talking about Antonio.

Speaker 2 (01:50:46):
Pierce said he was a coach, is you know players
coach and the players wanted him and they'll respond to him.

Speaker 1 (01:50:54):
They start the year with no quarterback. Yeah, yeah, I
mean about it.

Speaker 4 (01:51:00):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:51:02):
O'Connell not neither one of these guys is a legitimate
starting quarterback in the NFL.

Speaker 12 (01:51:08):
No, that's a tough place to start. Condle, I think
got carted off. I don't Who's who's on the field
for them right now?

Speaker 1 (01:51:15):
Let's see right now?

Speaker 2 (01:51:17):
Yeah, yes, the pride of the University of Cincinnati.

Speaker 8 (01:51:21):
Well that wasn't.

Speaker 12 (01:51:25):
Bo brought it up earlier. But like Brock, Bauers might
be the best tight end in football right now.

Speaker 2 (01:51:29):
Don't remember we were talking about the Raiders possibly trying
to convince Tom Brady to come out of retirement and
be the quarterback of this team.

Speaker 9 (01:51:37):
I mean they could still do that.

Speaker 2 (01:51:38):
They could still do that.

Speaker 9 (01:51:39):
Get Tom Brady and Rich Hornberger back out there.

Speaker 3 (01:51:41):
You didn't right there, right there, it is right there. Well, Bo,
you had the Raiders winning four games this season, Chris,
you had the Raiders winning two games this season the
tie Steve.

Speaker 4 (01:51:52):
Yeah, well I didn't put the ties.

Speaker 3 (01:51:54):
Yeah matter in Vegas, but Steve and I were at
seven wins a piece.

Speaker 2 (01:51:59):
Wow, Yeah, I listened too much to you. Well, well,
here's the thing.

Speaker 3 (01:52:04):
This is what I said. What can you really expect
out of the Raiders? Not much because they don't have
a quarterback. I guess mine was predicated on the fact
that I thought maybe at some point before the kickoff
of the season they would actually chase down a quarterback
or at some point put somebody in that position.

Speaker 4 (01:52:23):
They didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:52:24):
They just rolled with what they had, and they are
they are seeing the dividends that that pays when you
are starting backup quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 (01:52:31):
Where's Jimmy Garoppolo. Where's Jimmy Garoppolo?

Speaker 3 (01:52:33):
Don't I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:52:35):
I don't even know if he's on a roster right now.

Speaker 12 (01:52:37):
I just don't even feel like this defense is playing
very hard right now. This is not a very hard
nosed team on either side of the ball.

Speaker 2 (01:52:43):
They got a bullseye on Shade or Sanders is what
they got right now? All right, we continue on here,
which games we'll actually go down to the wire find out.

Speaker 1 (01:52:51):
Stay with us. This is Red Zone Radio.

Speaker 17 (01:52:54):
Jefferson in motion to the right, three receivers right, Sam
Darnold out of the shot gun. Jones picks up a blitzer, right,
caught Addison to the zone.

Speaker 9 (01:53:03):
Touchdown.

Speaker 17 (01:53:06):
Jordan Addison mixed it thirty four to twenty one. And
for Sam Darnold, that's a high five.

Speaker 4 (01:53:15):
For the first time.

Speaker 17 (01:53:16):
In his career, he's thrown five touchdown passes in the game.

Speaker 2 (01:53:20):
That's k Fan one hundred point three FM. Vikings Radio Network,
Vikings in control. They lead the Falcons thirty five twenty
one inside six minutes ago in the fourth quarter. Once
again Red Zone Radio here. We're live from the Tyraq
dot Com studios. But Rich right now, our focus is
on this Panthers Eagles game. They have just hit the

(01:53:42):
two minute warning. Eagles lead the Panthers twenty two to sixteen.
The Panthers started this final drive deep in their own territory,
but Bryce Young is suddenly getting hot and they have
a first down at their own forty six yard line.
Of course, the side story in this game the three
point one million dollar wager on the Eagles. But I'm

(01:54:03):
just watching again, eyeball test here rich Bryce Young is
getting that confidence back, the swagger that we saw.

Speaker 1 (01:54:10):
In his Alabama days.

Speaker 2 (01:54:12):
Now he has a short run there to the forty
nine yard line. But you can just when a quarterback's
got confidence, got that swagger, like I belong, that completely
disappeared early in the season, which is one of the
reasons that Andy Dalton was, you know, put in a quarterback.
But all of a sudden, I'm watching the Bryce Young
that I'm seeing right now starting to resemble the guy

(01:54:34):
that won that Heisman Trophy at Alabama.

Speaker 3 (01:54:36):
Yeah, yeah, well, I think this is This is one
of those things that we talked about in the NFL
any given Sunday, and it's because even bad teams have
good players. And we touched on this earlier how difficult
it is to be a really bad team in this league.
It is really difficult to be a really bad team
in this league because you still are surrounded by the

(01:54:58):
best college talent in college football who's now played at
the NFL level for years, either at a pro bowl
level or starting level. Seen field experience, and maybe they
are just things that are out of sync from the
coaching standpoint or on the field from a personnel standpoint,
that haven't worked out for you. But that's the reason
why teams like the Eagles, who are talented, if a

(01:55:19):
roster as they are, could potentially lose to a team
like the lowly Panthers.

Speaker 2 (01:55:24):
All right now, the deep pass on third and seven
is incomplete. So now fourth and seven for the Panthers
game on the line. Right now, they're own forty nine
yard line. They decided to go for a deep pass,
double coverage by the Eagles, and that was it. Bo,
How you feeling right now about the Eagles? They're going
to hold on here? Bo does not want to answer.

(01:55:47):
He's just sitting there watching right now. He's not even
gonna move. He is terrified at the possibilities right now?
Are you terrified?

Speaker 11 (01:55:53):
Now?

Speaker 9 (01:55:54):
I'm watching see if Sam Darnald can get to six
today on you?

Speaker 4 (01:55:57):
All right?

Speaker 2 (01:55:57):
So he's not even watching the Eagles game?

Speaker 4 (01:55:59):
Sure a.

Speaker 2 (01:56:00):
Right here we go, fourth and seven, last shot here
for the Panthers, trying to keep this alive, and the
pass is complete. Down Whoa and thieland right there on
the completion, great pass Bryce Young had he had to
be feeling the pressure and right before he got hit
released the ball. So a minute six, minute five, the

(01:56:20):
clock is running right now. The Panthers have no timeouts left,
so we're inside a minute ago. First down, they're at
the thirty six yard line of the viky of the
Eagles and a pass to the sideline out of bounds complete.
All right, So they gonna have a second down right
now about the thirty two yard line. Rich fifty two

(01:56:41):
seconds left and no timeouts.

Speaker 3 (01:56:44):
You have no chance to kick the field goal here.
They're trailing by six, need the score, need the extra
point to win the game. Can you imagine if somehow
this extra point is missed or blocked and then we
go back to the off sides on the Eagles extra
point attempt where they missed it, but there was an
off sides and then the Eagles got to go for two.

(01:57:05):
And if the Panthers missed the extra point in their
in their ensuing of point after touchdown, try, that's how
this game?

Speaker 1 (01:57:16):
Touch that no down on what yard line for the Panthers.

Speaker 2 (01:57:19):
Oh way, Panthers, Wow, unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (01:57:22):
Oh they're calling it incomplete.

Speaker 4 (01:57:25):
Wow, maybe he didn't catch whoa, what the heck?

Speaker 2 (01:57:29):
He didn't catch the ball? They're calling it incomplete. Let's
watch the replay here, look at right here, watch this.
He comes up, he goes on he oh that ball
hit the ground. Oh wow wow. Because we had the
back angle, you couldn't see it. But yeah, the ball
hit the ground.

Speaker 3 (01:57:48):
Well yeah, skin, all right, so right there, all right,
So back to the philopsia twenty two we go, all.

Speaker 1 (01:57:54):
Right, thirty two yard line.

Speaker 2 (01:57:55):
Actually, so the Eagles third and four now for the
Panthers at the Eagles thirty two yard line. There's forty
four seconds ago. Again, the Panthers have no timeouts, so
you gotta.

Speaker 8 (01:58:05):
Be care time out on the challenge.

Speaker 3 (01:58:07):
Yeah, it came back to all right, here we go.

Speaker 2 (01:58:10):
Bryce Young is going to scramble, trying to find some space.
He's looking, he's looking. He's throwing out of bounds. All right,
So that's gonna step fourth and four. Now, we got
thirty seven seconds left. Obviously they need at least four
yards to keep this drive alive. Some excitement here, yeah, buddy,
Bryce Young one hundred ninety one yards passing. But you

(01:58:31):
can see he's taking control of this team right now.

Speaker 3 (01:58:34):
Yeah. Well, and also, you know, just a quick storyline
here about the Panthers. They've given up a league leading
over one hundred and sixty yards on the ground per game.

Speaker 1 (01:58:44):
Yeah in Barkley, one hundred and twenty four yards today.

Speaker 3 (01:58:46):
Yeah, overall, the Eagles have rushed it for two hundred
and ten yards. It it felt like they were throwing
the football to keep the Panthers honest at times.

Speaker 1 (01:58:54):
All Right, here we go, Rich, run the ball.

Speaker 2 (01:58:56):
Okay, here we go fourth and four for the Panthers,
and there is a penalty and it is what illegal
forty delay game? It is delay of game? Geez, are
you kidding me?

Speaker 1 (01:59:10):
How do you have a delay of game? Four?

Speaker 3 (01:59:13):
You asked the question, how do you lose this many
games during the course of his season?

Speaker 2 (01:59:19):
Snapped the ball, snapped the ball, snapped the ball in
the centers, just holding the ball.

Speaker 4 (01:59:23):
Awful?

Speaker 1 (01:59:24):
Oh geez.

Speaker 2 (01:59:26):
All right, So and we're up against said, well, what's
gonna happen in this Panthers Eagles game? What other games
are going to go down to the wire. We're keeping
an eye on things. This is Red Zone Radio.

Speaker 5 (01:59:39):
Two out of the shot, the fourth and goal det
showing Blitz coming back to throw gets it off.

Speaker 1 (01:59:44):
And it's car tyreek Hill.

Speaker 2 (01:59:48):
That's Fox Sports nine forty Dolphins Radio network. The Dolphins
would add a two point conversion. That is the game
going on right now. Jets Dolphins tied to twenty three,
three thirty nine in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 1 (02:00:01):
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The waight tire buying should be. So the Panthers right
before we you know, had to leave you. I had
that fourth down play. Bryce Young made a nice scramble

(02:00:25):
to avoid a sack, threw across ball, was knocked down
incomplete and the Eagles escape, meaning that guy that bet
three point one million dollars ends up a winner.

Speaker 1 (02:00:36):
And uh yeah, so he's a hell of.

Speaker 3 (02:00:39):
A sweat though.

Speaker 1 (02:00:40):
That's a sweat right there.

Speaker 2 (02:00:42):
You know, you feel like the Panthers are making progress,
but again not able to make the play on fourth down.
So the Eagles survived to go to eleven and two.
All right, so this game going on between the Dolphins
and Jets here again, nothing on the line really, I mean,
the Dolphins, I guess, have faint hopes of alive in
the playoff chase. It's a matter of pride for the

(02:01:03):
Jets right now. And this, to me is an interesting play.

Speaker 4 (02:01:06):
Here.

Speaker 2 (02:01:07):
You got Aaron Rodgers trying to somehow, I don't know,
justify his intent to play another year in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (02:01:14):
One way to do it.

Speaker 2 (02:01:15):
Is a game winning drive late in the game on
the road against the Miami Dolphins. Right now, he has
a third and one at the Jets thirty seven yard line.

Speaker 1 (02:01:25):
So from that standpoint, Rich, at least we got something
that matters.

Speaker 3 (02:01:29):
Yeah, yes, we definitely do.

Speaker 2 (02:01:32):
I mean every game obviously matters in the NFL, but
I mean maybe a little bit more that Aaron Rodgers
still can get it done, especially on the road against
a division rival.

Speaker 3 (02:01:41):
I agree, I listen, I don't think there are many
moral victories in the NFL. No, but amid a loss
season with an aging quarterback who has one more year
under contract with your team, if through the final five
games of the season he really impresses you.

Speaker 2 (02:02:03):
Did you see what they just did on third and one,
they yanked Rogers out of the game. Oh my gosh,
and they had Allan on a keeper.

Speaker 1 (02:02:12):
He got the first down, bottle way.

Speaker 4 (02:02:14):
Yeah, that explains the time out, by the way, So.

Speaker 2 (02:02:16):
They actually yanked Rogers hat of the game on third
and one. It was a direct snap run. It worked,
they got a first down. So Rogers coming back in
the game.

Speaker 3 (02:02:25):
Okay, yeah, yeah, Alan, who, by the way, is their
young running back they're excited about. Yeah, goes ahead and
runs the wildcat offense, and I look it's smart again,
kind of down the stretch of a lost season.

Speaker 4 (02:02:39):
Do you really want to that's.

Speaker 2 (02:02:40):
A big play right there across midfield. Nice pass, quick
release by Rogers. I mean that was classic Aaron Rodgers
right there. So the Jets happening obviously as we got
to the two minute warning, try to get themselves in
the field goal position.

Speaker 4 (02:02:54):
Here it's it.

Speaker 3 (02:02:56):
Well, look, I do think that if they again, is
it a moral victory? Yeah, because at the end of
the season, will it really matter much if they're an
eight win team or a six win team, or a
three win team for that matter, if they missed the postseason?

Speaker 4 (02:03:10):
Not really? I mean, in fact, it may hurt your
draft stock the.

Speaker 3 (02:03:14):
More wins you have, but I will say this, if
Aaron Rodgers looks great in the final five games of
the season, it bodes extremely well for what you're looking
forward to next year, because momentum is a thing, and
sometimes even season overseason, the way you finish off one
season and the way you start the next they can

(02:03:35):
have a correlation. And so I think the Jets front office,
coaching staff, anybody who's going to be there as holdovers
next season who are there now are hoping that Aaron
Rodgers performs extremely well here because it'll solve a lot
of their questions heading into the offseason.

Speaker 2 (02:03:51):
All Right, A couple things happening right now. The Giant
Saints is a game we've talked very little about for
good reason. They've hit the two warning. The Giants have
the ball, trailing the Saints fourteen to eleven. They have
a third to nine at their own thirty eight yard line.
Drew Locke has been at quarterback for the Giants, and
it has been a rough day. Nineteen or thirty nine

(02:04:14):
pass it. It was a little worse later earlier in
the game. But what's significant here is again the battle
between the Giants and the Raiders for Shador Sanders.

Speaker 1 (02:04:24):
The Raiders have lost.

Speaker 2 (02:04:26):
They lost to the Buccaneers twenty eight to thirteen.

Speaker 1 (02:04:29):
Buccaneers.

Speaker 2 (02:04:30):
Now we'll have a sole possession of first place in
the NFC South with Atlanta going down to Minnesota. That
game is all but over right now. But the Raiders
at two and eleven, Giants at two and ten. If
the Giants come back to win this game, then the
Raiders are in the driver's seat to get Shador Sanders
and as we both think, possibly Dion Sanders as their

(02:04:55):
next coach.

Speaker 3 (02:04:56):
I think that this is the time of year where
you absolutely see certain teams, especially when there are front
office people who will be carried over from year to year.

Speaker 4 (02:05:11):
You'll you'll see edicts sent sent down and sometimes not.

Speaker 3 (02:05:15):
Sometimes owners will will sort of reinforce losing. You know,
we where was the last time we heard about that?
Was that Flores down in Miami where he was promised
allegedly one hundred thousand dollars per loss. You know things
like that.

Speaker 2 (02:05:31):
I still have a hard time believing that. Well, listen,
I mean it came from one source. It was an allegation. Yeah,
and I and let me ask you this. It's hard
to believe, but would you put it outside the room.
I'm not saying anything as possible. Yeah, anything is possible,
by the way, Jets just with a big play right there. Wow,
Aaron Rodgers is absolutely unstoppable right now, and now they

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are clearly in field goal position.

Speaker 1 (02:06:00):
Is that Lazard right now?

Speaker 3 (02:06:01):
That was lazard all the way down to the Miami
twenty seven?

Speaker 2 (02:06:06):
Yes, there it is. So now the Jets with the
ball and in. I mean, if you're the Jets right now,
I'm trying to figure out. I haven't seen how many
timeouts the Dolphins have. They've got two left, all right,
So you're gonna run the clock down as far as
you can to go for the field goal? Or do

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you try to get in the end zone here? I mean,
let's see what they're gonna do. On first down. They're
going to lose yards. In fact, they lose five yards.

Speaker 1 (02:06:35):
On a horrific call.

Speaker 4 (02:06:37):
What was that?

Speaker 2 (02:06:38):
I mean, I just I sometimes the play calling this
league makes absolutely no sense. It was like a sort
of a pitch in the backfield and it goes for
a five yard loss. So you're trying to get yourself
in prime field goal position. And losing five yards at
that spot is not a good call.

Speaker 3 (02:06:57):
The funny thing about this game is, while we're focused
on the Jets, because they're looking to win this game
right now in their final drive, we assume when you
think about the Dolphins, we were talking about this earlier,
that loss to the Packers. I mean, they were going
to potentially run into the Jets, get an easy win

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here quote unquote easy win here, and then sort of
resemble the team late last year who was able to
put some things together. They've squandered that opportunity already with
the loss of the Packers.

Speaker 4 (02:07:32):
If they lose to the Jets, that's curtains.

Speaker 2 (02:07:34):
Aaron Rodgers just got sacked for a six yard loss.

Speaker 1 (02:07:38):
So the first out.

Speaker 4 (02:07:40):
At the twenty seven.

Speaker 2 (02:07:42):
Now they have a third down at the thirty eight,
third and twenty one.

Speaker 1 (02:07:47):
Another blow.

Speaker 3 (02:07:48):
This another interesting stat You know that over the course
of his tenure, Tua has never lost to the Jets.
Tua's been with the Dolphins for a pretty good luck stretch.
Ti I mean, how did that to the Jets?

Speaker 2 (02:08:02):
Were talking again, how great teams find a way to
win like the Chiefs like all year long, right, Chiefs suck,
But somehow they win every game bad teams find.

Speaker 1 (02:08:10):
The Jets really have found ways to lose games this year.

Speaker 2 (02:08:13):
But all of a sudden, what would have been about
a forty four yard field goal is now a fifty
five yard field goal. So third and twenty one for
the Jets, who lose eleven yards on two plays. How
does Aaron Rodgers, a veteran quarterback, eat it on a
sack and not find a way to throw the ball
away there beyond me? All right, So here we go.

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We have now got a minute two to go. Miami's
out of timeouts. Jets have one time out and Rogers
got to get some yards here, and he throws the
sideline pass complete, so that will get it down to
the thirty Where is that twenty four yard line? So
that was a pretty good pass play right there, but

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still fourth and seven.

Speaker 1 (02:08:57):
So here comes the kicker right now?

Speaker 4 (02:09:00):
Man, do you want to hear another?

Speaker 1 (02:09:01):
Actually that ball is uh yeah, go ahead, Rogers.

Speaker 3 (02:09:04):
He has now snapped an active streak of thirty four
consecutive starts with fewer than three hundred passing yards.

Speaker 2 (02:09:12):
Wow, all right here Anders Carlson is on for a
field goal to give the Jets the lead. There's fifty
six seconds left, so even if he makes this, there
will be time for two and the Dolphins.

Speaker 1 (02:09:24):
The kick is up and it is good right down
the middle.

Speaker 2 (02:09:27):
So the Jets take the lead on a forty two
yard field goal twenty six to twenty three, fifty two
seconds left. Can the Jets hang on? Are they gonna
find a way to lose another game? I mean, I
just like I said, tu has never lost the game
to the Jets.

Speaker 1 (02:09:44):
All Right, we'll we'll, we'll be back. Should we stay
here with this?

Speaker 3 (02:09:47):
Or what do you?

Speaker 4 (02:09:47):
What are you do? But ball? What do you think?
Who listen? I mean, I don't.

Speaker 2 (02:09:50):
Okay, we're gonna We're gonna all right, See they aren't
believe me. They a lot of people will continue on.
We'll have the latest. This is red Zone Radio.

Speaker 19 (02:09:58):
Mury takes the snap play boot to the right, Murray
setting up deepault far side, and it's caught by Wilson
at the five, stretching out head into the ends up
for the touchdown. There it is the deep shot we've
been waiting for. A forty one yard touchdown pass Bury
to Wilson.

Speaker 2 (02:10:16):
That's Arizona Sports ninety eight to seven. The Cardinals take
an early seven eh in lead in their NFC West
showdown against the Seattle Seahawks. Red Zone Radio here Steve
Harbin and Rich Armberger, we alive from the ti iraq
dot com studios.

Speaker 1 (02:10:31):
Well they did it.

Speaker 2 (02:10:32):
Yes, Indeed, the Dolphins get a fifty two yard field
goal to tie up the game against the Jets, and
it looks like we are seven seven seven seconds left
in regulation. Jets with the ball right now, quick pass
over the middle, and that is going to do it.
We are going to go to overtime in that game. Meanwhile,

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we're looking at the Giants and the Saints. Rich Giants
look like they're going to have to go for a
field goal attempt to possibly send that game in overtime.
Drew locked just like pro Bolish in leading this Giants
comeback right now. Yes, I'm prone to exaggeration on these

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completely meaningless football games right now, but yes, the Giants
right now, eleven seconds to go, are going to attempt
a field goal.

Speaker 1 (02:11:23):
It's not going to be a long field goal.

Speaker 2 (02:11:25):
Attempt to try to thirty five yard field goal attempt
to send this game into overtime. So we could have
dual overtime games.

Speaker 1 (02:11:35):
With four teams that all have losing records. All right,
all right, let's go.

Speaker 9 (02:11:41):
The Giants just missed that.

Speaker 4 (02:11:44):
Oh no, all right, so there it is.

Speaker 2 (02:11:46):
This Well, hold on a second. What happened on that field?
Was that blocked? That thing was underneath the goal pols? Yeah,
look at Brian Dable, he's like, what do you know?
By the way, Giants fans, they're just like this game. Look,

(02:12:07):
I gotta see this field goal attempt again.

Speaker 4 (02:12:09):
Here we go.

Speaker 2 (02:12:09):
Here was the field goal attempt, and it is Oh my, it.

Speaker 1 (02:12:15):
Barely got off the ground. I mean, no one even
had to jump. He kicked it right into the line.
I'll put it this way.

Speaker 2 (02:12:27):
It was blocked by a Saints player who was falling down. Okay,
now there's gotta be a conspiracy theory on that kick.

Speaker 1 (02:12:36):
Right, There's no way an NFL kicker just did that.

Speaker 4 (02:12:40):
It was muffed. I mean it was I I think
I think that was. They got that.

Speaker 2 (02:12:44):
They got the they got the garbage bags on their head,
the Giants fans. So the Giants keep pace with the
Raiders both teams two and eleven in the Schedure Sanders Sweepstakes.

Speaker 8 (02:12:57):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (02:12:58):
Okay, so they dropped to two and eleven on the year.

Speaker 1 (02:13:02):
Raiders are two and eleven.

Speaker 4 (02:13:03):
They dropped to zero and seven at home.

Speaker 2 (02:13:06):
Nice. Nice, Yeah, So okay, again, something happened on that
field goal attempt.

Speaker 1 (02:13:11):
This was a chip shot.

Speaker 2 (02:13:12):
This was literally an extra point, and he kicked it
so low that it was blocked by a Saints defensive
lineman who was literally falling to the ground.

Speaker 3 (02:13:25):
Are you suggesting that kickers on the Dolph?

Speaker 1 (02:13:27):
I'm just saying that that was very suspicious.

Speaker 3 (02:13:30):
Are you suggesting that the kicker is a distant family
member of and Dion Sanders.

Speaker 2 (02:13:35):
Look at it's a battle right now for Shader Sanders
and apparently Dion Sanders the package deal between the Giants
and the Raiders. Meanwhile, the Seahawks right now have a
second goal of the Arizona ten yard line, so they're
looking to answer back after the Cardinals got on the
board with the seven ahing laiden. Here it is the
overtime that everyone has been waiting for. Go ahead and

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Jets and Dolphins and the Dolphins we'll have the ball
first in overtime, all right, come of games coming up here,
Bears forty nine Ers. We talked a little bit earlier
with Jonathan Film about that game Bills at the Rams.

Speaker 1 (02:14:12):
Rich Bill's a red hot. You can make an argument.

Speaker 2 (02:14:16):
Easily that the Bills are the team to beat right
now in the NFL City at ten and two. Where
are you with this Rams team that obviously, if they
were to win today at the very least key pace
in the NFC West, and if the Cardinals win, it
could be a three way tie for first place in
the NFC West.

Speaker 4 (02:14:36):
Well, if they beat the Bills.

Speaker 2 (02:14:39):
And the Cardinals beat the Seahawks, you would have a
three way tie in the NFC West.

Speaker 4 (02:14:43):
All of a sudden.

Speaker 3 (02:14:44):
We would have to start talking about Matthew Stafford for
the first time this season, because Matthew Stafford in his
past three games is the second best in the NFL
in terms of total QB rating. Okay, the only person
he's behind in that in that rating system is Josh
Allen of the Buffalo Bills. So Stafford's got eight touchdown

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passes over the past three games, that second most since
Week eleven. He hasn't thrown an interception in those three
games either.

Speaker 4 (02:15:15):
He is on fire.

Speaker 3 (02:15:17):
So if the Rams, who are hosting the Bills, by
the way, this is a game played out west in
La find a way to beat the Bills all of
a sudden, Not only do they create themselves a little
bit of room in the NFC West to be back
in the conversation to win this division, but also we
got to start talking about Matthew Stafford in the fact

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that Matthew Stafford is an elite level quarterback when he's
playing this way, and if this continues through the end
of the season. We've seen this before literally with the Rams.
If when they get hot, they're one of the hardest
teams to prepare for in the NFL because Sean McVay
is a brilliant game planner and Matthew Stafford is a
brilliant quarterback from under center, in the gun at quarterback

(02:16:01):
in clutch moments.

Speaker 2 (02:16:03):
All right, the Dolphins are on the move in overtime.
Remember if they score a touchdown game over, and they
are now already down to the Jets thirty six yard line,
so to a taken over here by the way, Aaron
Rodgers twenty seven to thirty nine, three hundred and thirty

(02:16:23):
nine yards. They seemingly had this game in hand with
the field goal, but the Dolphins tied it on a
fifty two yard field goal, and the Dolphins on the move.
If they score first, if they get a touchdown here,
not a field goal, but a touchdown, game over and
the Dolphins win, and the jetsuit loser again.

Speaker 3 (02:16:42):
Executive passes to Smith to get them down the field
here in a herd John ou Smith. His only two
receptions of the game have come in overtime for twenty
yards and fourteen yards to get them in Jets' territory immediately.

Speaker 1 (02:16:58):
Yeah, right now.

Speaker 2 (02:16:59):
They just showed a shot of Aaron Rodgers on the
sideline saying this can't be happening. Yeah, this literally just
cannot be happening. I remember last week, you know, they
played the Seahawks seemingly again had the game in hand.
Remember they were up two touchdowns, and then you had
that Fluke interception returned ninety one yards for a touchdown
by Leonard Williams that turned that game around. And sideline

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pass to Tyreek Hill is inside the twenty five yard line.
My gosh, so they are moving right now. By the way,
the Seahawks ended up with a field goal. So the
Cardinals still lead that game seven to three, and as
we said, just kicking off right now, Bill's at the
Rams and Bears at the forty niners. So again, if

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the Dolphins win, they would get to six and seven,
but there's still two games behind the Broncos with four
games to play, So I mean the Dolphins would have
to win out and hope obviously that the Broncos stumble
a couple of times.

Speaker 3 (02:18:03):
Yeah, exactly, Yeah, I mean it is. It's pretty amazing
when you think about the help that the Dolphins would
need for their hopes to be alive. You need this
win against the Jets, but then you really need to
win every single game from here on out. And you
look at the Dolphins record or i should say schedule,

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that means they'd have to beat Houston on the road,
host to San Francisco forty nine ers winnable game, then
go to Cleveland late season December twenty ninth. Tough place
for Miami to play at any point during the year,
but especially when you have the winter weather, and then
you finish a final road test against the New York Giants,

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so you're gonna have to beat them consecutive times in
five weeks.

Speaker 2 (02:18:50):
What he got an right there on the reception, and
that puts the Dolphins at about the ten yard line.
Oh my god, so to a just picking apart this
Jets defensive secondary right now, and he short passes hn
right there with the reception, and the Dolphins are in

(02:19:11):
business again. A touchdown here will put this game away
and give it to the Dolphins.

Speaker 1 (02:19:17):
Ball actually at the thirteen yard.

Speaker 2 (02:19:20):
Line right now, first and ten for the Miami Dolphins
in overtime, and they're going to run the ball on
first down and get down to about the ten yard line.

Speaker 3 (02:19:30):
So yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (02:19:35):
Yeah, it just there are a lot of things that
would happen now, you know, I just keep getting back
to which teams that we thought were going to be
in the mix early on that just for whatever reason,
are you know, trying to hang on to their playoff
lives right now. You talk about the forty nine ers.
The Dolphins are certainly in that conversation. But this is

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what we every year we start this right rich, where
we say, all right, Forredick, which four teams are going
to be the ones that are going to exceed all expectations,
and which four to touchdown Dolphins game over the over game
over there goes and that is a touchdown pass from

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two to Jonas Smith and Aaron Rodgers walks off the
field a loser once again as the Dolphins get to
six and seven and the Jets are an unsightly three
and ten.

Speaker 3 (02:20:34):
What a crazy overtime for jon Ousmith. He didn't get
a single touch during regulation. He's got three receptions on
the day for forty four yards and a touchdown, all
of which in overtime.

Speaker 2 (02:20:49):
Yes, they were just saving him for overtime, that's right, Yeah, yeah,
they were.

Speaker 3 (02:20:53):
Well, you know what, honestly, they're specialists in a lot
of different ways in the NFL. Would not shock me
if Jono Smith all of a sudden became the overtime
tight end specialist, all right?

Speaker 2 (02:21:02):
With that? Uh wow? Three and ten for the Jets?
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, let's find out
what is a trending right now?

Speaker 1 (02:21:12):
Is Martin like the rest of us just watching what happened?

Speaker 4 (02:21:15):
Are you?

Speaker 1 (02:21:15):
Were you one of.

Speaker 2 (02:21:16):
Those people that was a big believer that Aaron Rodgers
was gonna have.

Speaker 6 (02:21:19):
No, No, I wasn't a believer in any of it.

Speaker 1 (02:21:23):
I wasn't.

Speaker 2 (02:21:23):
I mean I was on record over and over again
saying I have no idea what you guys think.

Speaker 1 (02:21:28):
It's gonna happen. Now, I didn't think it was gonna
be three and ten.

Speaker 3 (02:21:31):
Now, those people who thought that Aaron Rodgers was gonna
be good be like in the MVP conversation.

Speaker 2 (02:21:36):
That was well, I mean Rich Rich was he was
absolutely drinking the kool aid with Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 1 (02:21:43):
And I'm like, do you really believe.

Speaker 2 (02:21:45):
A guy in his forties coming off a blown Achilles
is gonna who played lousy as last year in Green Bay,
is all gonna be an MVP again?

Speaker 3 (02:21:53):
And Rich Is like, absolutely watched absolutely, Maybe I gave.

Speaker 2 (02:21:59):
A why as you were buying into the fact that
he was going to do with Tom Brady did there
is only one Tom Brady Air Rodgers, never has been,
never will be in the same sat wait to say, Brady, Yes.

Speaker 3 (02:22:13):
Tom Brady did it, but then the very next year,
so did Matthew Stafford. And then also we saw how
good Russell Wilson looked when he went to Denver.

Speaker 2 (02:22:22):
Okay, let's get quickly to Martin right now, what's going on, Martin?

Speaker 6 (02:22:26):
Aaron Rodgers had three hundred yards passing for the first
time in his thirty four straight starts, but still as
Steve Hartman, so eloquently said, just a moment Ago walks
off the field a loser thirty two to twenty sixth
to final score it overtime two a tongue of my
Lowa Tonio a game when he touched up passes. John
new Smith, who did not have a catching regulation but

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got busy in overtime, got busy and overtime he had
forty four yards in the extra period and a touchdown
of four targets. Here the Fightings beat the Falcons forty
two to twenty one. Am Donald had five touchdown passes.
Kirk Cousins had two interceptions. That leads that I mean
his touchdown in interception ratio.

Speaker 7 (02:23:07):
It's not great.

Speaker 6 (02:23:09):
It's like when people go back to work in January,
like one, one and six, one and seven, like.

Speaker 2 (02:23:13):
Around that time.

Speaker 6 (02:23:15):
Yeah, not great for Kirk Cussins as far as Vikings
fans probably feeling good.

Speaker 7 (02:23:17):
About moving on from him.

Speaker 6 (02:23:19):
Saints beat the Giants fourteen to eleven at Graham Gono
game time field goal attempt was blocked as time expired.

Speaker 7 (02:23:26):
Eagles beat the Panthers twenty two to six.

Speaker 6 (02:23:28):
He and Jalen Hurts had two touchdown passes and ran
for one Sakwon Barkley sets the Eagles franchise rushing record
passing with Saw McCoy. He also has nine games with
at least one hundred yards rushing. That's another Eagles record.
Russell Wilson had two touchdown passes as the Steelers beat
the Browns twenty seven to fourteen. Jameis Winston also had
two touchdown passes, but two passes to the wrong team

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as well with two interceptions. Buccaneers beat the Raiders twenty
eight to thirteen eight and O'Connell knocked out of this
game he was injured. Carter off Desmond Ritter finished at
the bright spot for the Raiders. Rock Bouwers broke the
rookie tight end reception record. It was only a set
a year ago by Sam Laporta, but he broke that
record today, so congratulations to him. Right now, we have

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a couple of games going on. The Seahawks with a
ten to seven lead over Arizona with three twenty five
left in the first quarter. Geno Smith seven for eight
for seventy two yards and a touchdown. The Rams and
the Bills tied with just under ten minutes left in
the first quarter, and with twelve to twenty left in
the first quarter. The forty nine ers have a seven
to dozing lead over the Chicago Bears. Rock Birdy Rock

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Party four for four for seventy seventy.

Speaker 7 (02:24:37):
Yards through the year a touchdown.

Speaker 6 (02:24:39):
College football playoff is set Oregon, Georgia, Boise State, Arizona State.

Speaker 7 (02:24:44):
Those are your top four seeds. They have first round bys.

Speaker 6 (02:24:47):
First round matchups are the twelve seed a Clemson will
play at fit seeded Texas. The winner will play Arias
on the state in the Fiesta Bowl. Ninth seed at
Tennessee will play at eight seed Ohio State. The winner
of that game will play Oregon in the Rolls Bowl.
Eleventh seed at SMU will play sixty Penn State.

Speaker 7 (02:25:03):
They play Boise State in the Peach Bowl once.

Speaker 6 (02:25:05):
Whoever wins that game, and the tenth seed Indiana will
play seventh seed Notre Dame. The winner draws Georgia in
the Sugar Bowl. Steven Rich back to you guys.

Speaker 1 (02:25:15):
All right, Martin, thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (02:25:17):
You mentioned earlier there that the Eagles held on to
beat the Panthers twenty two to sixteen.

Speaker 1 (02:25:22):
Joining us right now.

Speaker 2 (02:25:23):
The man that was on the call for Fox Adam,
I mean, is joining us once again.

Speaker 1 (02:25:27):
Adam's always great to catch up with you.

Speaker 2 (02:25:29):
I know the Eagles won this game, but I want
to ask you your thoughts about Bryce Young because from
where I'm sitting, even though the Panthers came up short,
I'm beginning to see the Bryce Young confidence that we
saw when he won a Heisman Trophy at Alabama. Are
you getting a little sense that Bryce Young is sort
of getting his mojo back.

Speaker 11 (02:25:52):
I think that's been the general theme for the last
month for this group, which is a good sign. I
think it's tough in a game like today because the
last two weeks you take Kansas City down to the
wire and take Tampa Bay down to overtime, and both
of those games in the final drive that Carolina put
together led to a touchdown. And this week it was

(02:26:13):
a little bit more off kilter, right. They didn't really
get set, They didn't really have what they needed to
do to line up properly. They had a delay of
game penalty, some drops as well, and I know that's
not on Bryce Young. You threw a great ball to
xavierly Get that he should have had that ended up
being a drop that would have been the go ahead touchdown,
but I think you still take as many positives away

(02:26:34):
as you possibly can, and hopefully that doesn't derail this
momentum that I think Bryce is built up. It's hard, though,
right because until you start seeing the results, until you
start seeing wins, it's very difficult to feel like, all right, well,
everything's working, the process is working. But I do think
there's a lot of good to take away from what
he's been doing, from how Dave Canal is for the
most part, outside of maybe a couple of miscues called

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this game, for how well the defense held up, even
though Saquon Barkley had a strong day again, I still
think the defense made some really good plays. So all
of that infuses the confidence that I think you guys
are talking about right now. And I think Bryce Young
is the type of kid who at the very least
has seen enough to be like, all right, at least
we're making strides. And I hope that's the case, because
it seems like this last month he's really grown up

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a lot, just in front of all of us watching
these games.

Speaker 3 (02:27:21):
Two years ago, Eagles double digit win team, nothing but
belief in that squad. Last year, double digit win team,
around this time of year, nobody believed that they were
going to be able to hold on and they collapse
this year, double digit win team, and I'm kind of
caught in between. And I'm not sure if it's the
influence of last year, what we've seen in the recent past,

(02:27:44):
or the reason why I'm not completely bought in. I
think they're a different team completely with Saquon Barkley. I
think they present a lot of problems for a lot
of teams in the NFL. But I mean, do you
feel similarly, and if so, why is it hard to
buy in on the Eagles this year?

Speaker 11 (02:28:02):
I'm sure last year has a lot to do with it,
you know a little bit of you know, stress disorder,
seeing how they collapsed, how poorly they class. It was
six of their last seven last year, including the blowout
in the playoffs in Tampa Bay.

Speaker 15 (02:28:15):
So you're right, it was around this time they were
ten and one last year.

Speaker 3 (02:28:17):
You know, another one too.

Speaker 15 (02:28:19):
I think Barkley is the.

Speaker 11 (02:28:20):
Fact is the big X factor here because having a
very and I mean very reliable back and that offensive
line has a lot to do with why this team
and why Maybe the fan bateses some comments, but you know,
it's so funny, guys. It's always fun to do a
game in Philly, no matter what I did the Baseball
playoffs there this year as a last same deal doing
an Eagles game, especially when they're rolling and they're playing well.

(02:28:43):
But it's so funny to listen to Philadelphia fans because
I can understand why they're hesitant.

Speaker 4 (02:28:48):
Right.

Speaker 11 (02:28:49):
It might be, you know, the issues with play calling.
It might be Nick Sirianni. It might be Kellen Moore,
it might be Jalen Hurts.

Speaker 2 (02:28:56):
On a lot of days.

Speaker 11 (02:28:56):
And I don't think Jalen played a particularly the great game.
He had a few good moment and obviously the rush
touchdown was good. Some of his throws to get his
passing tds were good. You know, you'll look at that
and go, wow, you have three total tds and they
beat Carolina. But the fashion in which you know they
went about it, and how hard it was and how
grinded out it was. At times when it feels like,

(02:29:17):
if there's better execution from Philly's offense, it probably feels
a little bit easier to lean into what the positives
are about this team, and that's their offensive line, and
that's Barkley right now, so I can understand why there's
some hesitance to buy into it. I don't think Jalen
Hurts has played his best ball. I think he's capable
of it, certainly, but I feel like he hasn't played

(02:29:37):
his best football yet. That defense is good enough to
win you a championship, that running back is good enough
to win you a championship. The skill guys the offensive
line are good enough to win you a championship. If
Hurts plays at a higher level, even an above average,
he doesn't have to be exceptional. He needs to keep
taking care of the ball like he has, and he
needs to be a little bit better in some of
these key moments, the third down in mediums, where you

(02:29:58):
have a second read that's going to get you your
first down and keep your offense on the field rather
than leaning under defense, making the right decision on which
you know which route to look at first, and then
lean on aj Brown like he has some tendencies that
probably have forced fans to take a step back and go, well,
I don't know.

Speaker 15 (02:30:15):
So it's funny.

Speaker 11 (02:30:16):
Listening to Philadelphia fans just walking out of the building today.
It was that feeling was there so I'm intrigued that
you guys ask that question because I feel like that
permeates this city.

Speaker 2 (02:30:24):
Well, Adam, I want to follow up on that Jalen
Hurts situation because our Esteam producer Bo Benson here, who
is a diehard Eagles guy. He says they need to
do with Jalen Hurts what the Rams did with Jared Goff.
In other words, when you say we haven't seen the
best of Jalen Hurts, I think you have. We saw
the best and it was in that Super Bowl, and

(02:30:45):
we thought coming off the Super Bowl, I remember Jalen
Hurts coming into the draft at him and I was
asking a lot of people, where's the ceiling here?

Speaker 4 (02:30:51):
Right?

Speaker 2 (02:30:52):
I Mean that's always the question when you're talking about
a prospect, like where do.

Speaker 1 (02:30:55):
You see the ceiling on this guy?

Speaker 2 (02:30:57):
And then after the Super Bowl everyone was like wow,
I mean, they got the big contract extension, but he
hasn't gotten better, Like it seems like we keep waiting
for that guy to show up again. And maybe that
Super Bowl was an aberration that he exceeded what he's
actually capable of doing over the course of a full season,

(02:31:18):
because it just seems like we're seeing pretty much the
same Jalen Hurts week in and week out. And if
it wasn't for Sakwon Barkley's emergence, I don't think the
Eagles would be sitting at eleven and two.

Speaker 1 (02:31:30):
So I mean, is that something If.

Speaker 2 (02:31:33):
The Eagles fall short, if they go out early in
the playoffs where they may actually be looking at that quarterback.

Speaker 11 (02:31:41):
Position, there will be a lot of questions about it,
for sure. And listen, I trust both eyes. I trust
Philly fans eyes. I trust my statistician. Ed Feta is
a diehard Philly fan and we worked together a long time,
and he's watched a lot of Eagles games and he
stood next to me when I've called a lot of
Eagles games, and ec is the same thing that I
think a lot of Philly fans do.

Speaker 15 (02:31:59):
Is this the guy?

Speaker 11 (02:31:59):
Or at least question the same things that a lot
of other Philly fans question. Is this the guy that's
going to get you over the hump and get you
the Super Bowls? It's going to fall on him because
of the talent around it, right, he is the element
to this that is going to I guess he's the
best version of a glue guy, right, like he keeps

(02:32:20):
it together because Barkley is going to do what he does.
That offensive line is ridiculous. They're going to do what
they do. The defense has played exceptionally well and I
think is only getting better as the season goes on.
So it's going to come down to is Jalen Hurts
making the proper plays? Is he making the proper reads,
Is he making the proper throws? Is he running at
the correct time? Is he passing at the correct time?

(02:32:41):
Is he making the right calls? Like checking into the
right play is a skill and it's an understanding, and
it's a processing thing. And I think if there is
a criticism of Jalen for all the great things that
he does do offensively and for the leader that he is,
and for the demeanor that he carries, if there is
a criticism, it's I don't know if he processing everything
immediately in the span of time that it's necessary for

(02:33:05):
you to beat a defense. Not to react to a
defense and be able to make the right play or
make a big play, or make an athletic play, but
to make the right play before a defense has an
opportunity to throw their first punch. You know, are you
making the right play to negate the scheme that a
defense is going to come in with because they're gonna
try to scheme you. They have Aj Brown, you have
DeVante Smith, you have a really good running back in line.

(02:33:27):
Defenses are going to have to scheme against you. So
it's unincumbent on the quarterback to be able to make
the right decisions when he sees what the first punch
is and offer the correct CounterPunch. And I agree, I
don't know if we've seen that. I'm probably not the best.

Speaker 15 (02:33:39):
Gauge of it.

Speaker 11 (02:33:40):
I think Bo is probably a better gauge at Ed
and all these guys that watch these games every day
and throw stuff at their TVs when they're frustrated by
the offense the way I'm sure a lot of fans
are so but but kind of jumping in and watching
the season and seeing what we saw today, Yeah, I
think there are some very appropriate.

Speaker 3 (02:33:55):
Questions to ask Adam.

Speaker 1 (02:33:57):
We always appreciate the time.

Speaker 4 (02:33:58):
Thank you so much, you got boys. Thank you, Adam.

Speaker 2 (02:34:01):
I mean joining us right there. Hey, don't forget after
the Sharp podcast is going up. So if you miss
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Speaker 1 (02:34:12):
Again.

Speaker 2 (02:34:12):
Just search Fox Sports Radio wherever you get your podcasts.
You'll see the show posted. Right after we get off
the air. We're heading down the stretch for us.

Speaker 1 (02:34:20):
Keep it here. This is Red Zone Radio. Rocket to
play action. We're gonna throw out life wide open.

Speaker 3 (02:34:26):
Juwan Jennings touchdown.

Speaker 2 (02:34:31):
Saying Francisco, that's camby our forty nine Ers Radio network.
Forty nine Ers early seven to nothing lead against the Bears.

Speaker 1 (02:34:41):
Once again, this is Red Zone Radio.

Speaker 2 (02:34:43):
Steve Hartman and Rich Ornberger were live from the Tyre
Rock dot Com studios. Dan Bayer and Carry Roads on
deck to continue on with Red Zone Radio. Of course,
we want to thank our group today, Martin stepping in
brilliant as always, Martin, despite your review of the Heisman Trophy.
I'll excuse that for another day, but Martin doing a

(02:35:04):
phenomenal job. Chris could rest today because his lines already
had had a victory in the bank, so that was
easy for him, and of course for Bo who Adam
and Mean credited with knowing more about the Eagles than
he did. The Eagles also sitting pretty right now, so
great job by all you guys. So again forty nine

(02:35:25):
Ers leading the Bear seven nothing, Rams, Bills seven to seven,
and the Seahawks. We talked about this, Rich, how would
the Cardinals react after blowing that game in Minnesota? So
far not good. Seahawks up seventeen to seven. So keep
in mind, if Seattle wins and the Rams lose to
the Bills, the Seahawks would have a two game lead

(02:35:45):
in the NFC West with four weeks to go. So
the Seahawks very much in the driver's seat. But Rich,
I want to turn our attention to the game tonight
between the Chargers and the Chiefs. And it was interesting because,
as you know, is a big Chargers fan. We had
Adam Kaplan our Fox Sports Radio NFL insider. She said,

(02:36:05):
what are the Chargers chances? And he didn't even let
her finish the question. He goes zero.

Speaker 1 (02:36:12):
No, JK. Dobbins. If you look at last week, the.

Speaker 2 (02:36:15):
Only touchdown the Chargers scored against the Falcons last week
was that pick six. I mean that game was really
about the complete meltdown of Kirk Cousins in that game
for the Falcons. But I'll ask you, I'm going to
put Adam Kapl on a side, we see the Chiefs
week after a week after week almost trying to will

(02:36:36):
themselves to lose a game and still find a way
to win a game.

Speaker 1 (02:36:41):
Is that going to continue today? In case against the Chargers.

Speaker 3 (02:36:46):
I think that anybody in the league can beat the Chiefs.
I think anybody in the league can beat the.

Speaker 1 (02:36:52):
Chiefs, but only one team has done.

Speaker 3 (02:36:53):
It takes a complete game, and so the answer to
that question is the charge absolutely have a chance. The
Chargers without Dobbins are more talented than the Carolina Panthers,
and the Panthers took the Chiefs all the way to
the wire. So I mean, listen, I appreciate where Adam
Kaplan's at in his admiration for the Chiefs.

Speaker 4 (02:37:17):
We share that I admire the Chiefs too well.

Speaker 2 (02:37:19):
He also said, of the fact that Dobbins is out,
the Chargers had no running game last week.

Speaker 4 (02:37:23):
I gets it, understood, but still without Dobbins.

Speaker 3 (02:37:27):
I'm asking you the question now because I said it,
but I want to hear your answer to this question.

Speaker 4 (02:37:33):
The Chargers without Dobbins are a.

Speaker 3 (02:37:35):
More talented team than the Carolina Panthers, yes or yes?

Speaker 2 (02:37:39):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (02:37:39):
Okay, So if the Carolina Panthers can almost beat the Chiefs.

Speaker 4 (02:37:43):
Then the Chargers can beat the.

Speaker 2 (02:37:45):
Chiefs and Justin Herbert has had some of his best
games in Kansas City.

Speaker 3 (02:37:49):
Yeah. Look, this Chiefs team stinks this year.

Speaker 4 (02:37:54):
They stay.

Speaker 1 (02:37:55):
Is this the worst eleven to one team?

Speaker 7 (02:37:57):
You know?

Speaker 1 (02:37:58):
I mentioned this on the other the other day.

Speaker 3 (02:38:00):
Are still eleven and one team I've ever seen?

Speaker 2 (02:38:02):
Some people said, do you remember the Steelers just a
few years ago or eleven?

Speaker 1 (02:38:06):
And oh and how fast they were? Yeah?

Speaker 9 (02:38:08):
That was that was what I was going to ask you, Like,
that Steelers team was infinitely worse than this Chiefs team.

Speaker 1 (02:38:12):
That was a really bad team.

Speaker 4 (02:38:14):
All right, correction? Correct you? That was the worst.

Speaker 1 (02:38:17):
That was the worst.

Speaker 3 (02:38:18):
That was the worst eleven with team I've ever seen.

Speaker 2 (02:38:21):
That That was that was believe they were eleven and
oh weren't they that year?

Speaker 12 (02:38:26):
What was that twenty was it twenty twenty two? That
Vikings team as well? Oh the Vikings two years ago.

Speaker 3 (02:38:32):
I'll tell you right now, that Vikings team beats this
Chiefs team this year.

Speaker 5 (02:38:36):
Probably.

Speaker 8 (02:38:36):
Yeah, No, I think I'm with you there.

Speaker 3 (02:38:37):
I think this is the second worst because that Steelers
team was really bad.

Speaker 4 (02:38:42):
I think this is this It works eleven with football
team i've seen.

Speaker 3 (02:38:46):
Look and who knows. Look, they could be twelve and
one after this game. Yes, but the Chiefs have played
terrible football, and it's come down to Mahomes or the refs,
or circumstances outside of the Chiefs control, like the Baltimore
Ravens Titan stepping on the light to win these games.
The Chiefs at their house of cards right now, they

(02:39:07):
could change it and it could start tonight. Maybe they
blow out the Chargers, but the Chargers absolutely could beat
the Chiefs tonight.

Speaker 1 (02:39:14):
All right, we'll see how that plays out.

Speaker 2 (02:39:15):
And then, of course the Monday night game that everyone's
been talking about, the Bengals and Cowboys, which is why
we will not talk about that game.

Speaker 1 (02:39:24):
All right, Continue on, Danny Kerry will get you rolling

Speaker 2 (02:39:28):
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