Steve Hartman and Rich Ohrnberger talk US Open and Lakers!

Steve Hartman and Rich Ohrnberger discuss the current standings at the US Open, the impact of fathers on sports, the Lakers coaching search and how it will ultimately end up, the expectations for QBs in the NFL, the Chiefs special teamers and their offseasons, final thoughts on the NBA Finals, and much more!

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(00:27):
mister rich Ormberger.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
Yes, and a happy Father's Day to you as well
our listeners out there, whether you're just waking up or
you've been up for hours, it's your day. It's your day.
Dad's go out there and celebrate it to the best
of your ability before coming to the realization that, yes,
the Honeydew list is still there. Yes, those kids still
need their lunch is made, or you know, the barbecue

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needs to get fired up at some point.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
You know, a father's work truly is never done.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
But it's a it's a special day, especially since it's
aired with the US Open every year. It's I don't
know about you, but I love the fact that from
the moment I opened my eyes on the West Coast,
I can watch.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
Golf typically on a Father's Day.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
Usually US Opens are on the East coast, and so
you know, you turn on television and there it is
right in front of your face.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
It is, and you know when we're talking about Pinehurst
and Father's Day, and we're going to obviously be covering here.
The leaders will be teeing off here in about twenty minutes,
the final pairing Bryce and De'shambo and Matthew Pool. I'm
really good with my friends, as you know, Matthew poffa
right in front of them. Of course, that duo of
Rory McElroy and Patrick Cantley. We think back to nineteen

(01:40):
ninety nine at Pinehurst and this was surreal. I was
talking to Monci yesterday about this story when Payne Stewart
of course won that US Open that year and of
course tragically was killed later that year in that freakish
airplane accident. And you remember that he comes to the
final hole eighteen playing with Phil Mickelson. He has a

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one shot lead with one hole to play, and of
course if they tie, there's an eighteen hole playoff the
next day. That's when they still had the eighteen whole
playoff and Phil Mickelson and his wife are expecting their
first child like any second.

Speaker 4 (02:18):
And he had said that.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
Whole week at Pinehurst that you know, if his wife
goes into labor, I'm out of here.

Speaker 4 (02:24):
I'm out of here. So Payne Stewart hits the putt
that wins the US Open.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Of course, he clasped the face of Phil Mickelson and
talked about, you know, you're going to be a dad,
You're going to be a dad.

Speaker 4 (02:36):
Their baby was born the next day.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (02:39):
And think about it.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
Had it gone to an eighteen whole playoff and at
that point, Phil mcholson had not won a major, he
was still five years away from winning his first major.
Do you think he would have literally have walked off
and skipped and forfeit an eighteen hole playoff to win
the US Open, which, by the way, he has never won.
He's been a runner up six times, He's won all

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the other majors, never won the US Open. Do you
think he really would have walked away from an eighteen
whole playoff to be there for the birth of his
first child.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
You know, it's so crazy.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
I personally don't think so, but I've talked to many
people who say and swear that they would Scotti. Scheffler
swore up and down that if his wife went into labor,
regardless of his standing in the Masters, regardless of where
he was at in the match, if it came down
to him missing the birth of his first child or
being there at the Masters, he chose. He chose he

(03:41):
wanted to be there for the birth of his first child. Well,
good for him. That is certainly his own prerogative. And
maybe since he had already won one prior to that,
maybe he was a less special or major winner in general.
Maybe it's less special the second time around.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
But I don't know, man.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
Like I talked to my wife about this, because the
conversation came up. I said, like, what happens. What happens
if you're due in February, and it's like, it's it's
like either play in the super Bowl or I'm there
to watch our first our first son be born, because

(04:19):
we knew at that point we're having a boy. And
she goes, I would be mad at you if you
were in the room with me. She's like, I don't
understand how that's even a question. She was like, I
would be mad at you. I would be so mad
at you that you were in the hospital instead of
out on the field with your teammates. So look, Annie,
my wife, she was a former Division one volleyball player,

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So I don't know, maybe she's she just views it
feels differently about it. And this isn't This isn't you know,
tarnishing anybody else's reputation. I listen, everybody has.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
Their own progative.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
But if it were Phil Mickelson winning his first ever
major or being there for the birth of first kid,
trust me when I tell you, the kid would find
a way to forgive him. Like that's that's the reality
of the situation.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
Well for me today I was there. Of course, I
cut the cord on all three of my children, yep,
and I was. I was actually impressed. You remember last
week I sort of made the analogy that Father's Day
is like the middle child of holidays. You know, it
doesn't get all that much recognition sometimes, but I was.

Speaker 4 (05:29):
I was pleased.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
All three of my kids were there today, my adult children,
they all got me very thoughtful cards, you know, I
and then the minimum maybe a little Starbucks hike. I
actually got a new shirt that I'm wearing today that
looks really nice.

Speaker 4 (05:43):
So yeah, I mean I thought it was a good
Father's Day.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Now, your boys, I am sure showered you with gifts,
that's right this morning?

Speaker 1 (05:49):
Yeah yeah, I got a breakfast served to be in
bed nice and that was followed by a lot of hugs.
And then I got a gift bag filled with all
sorts of stuff. I got a sweat with the picture
of us sewn onto it.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
Yeah, you get a world greatest Dad's shirts that you
would never wear, like, never wear that.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
Hey, pops, you're the coolest. And it was a card
shape like a popsicle.

Speaker 5 (06:13):
Heah, exactly Two quick things though, least one one you
would you say, Father's day's the middle step child, but
without the complaining about Father's Day not being as recognized.
What would Father's Day be without that? And so would
you really want us to set up huge brunches? Nobody?

Speaker 2 (06:33):
No, no, no, Dad's actually want you know again, my
situation now is perfect, Like, give me a card, write
something nice, you know, something for the effort. That's all
I'm looking for, and I got that today. So I'm
the happiest dad on the planet. So certainly a happy
Father's Day to all the dad's granddad's great granddad's out
there listening.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
And I know for a lot of the men listening
out there, and maybe some of the ladies as well,
sports is the hand me down amongst fathers and sons.
I mean, there's no question. When I was a kid
growing up by back in the day, my dad had
the radio on all the time. My dad was one
of those work around the house guys like you are rich,

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you know. He was constantly outside working on the house.
And I was the lazy kid, like I'm sitting there
in the valley it's one hundred and fifty degrees outside, Dad,
I'm gonna watch TV. And he had no patience for
me anyway. So, but he would be listening to LA sports,
whether it was the Dodgers, Angels, Rams, Lakers, whoever, on

(07:35):
the radio. And so to sort of make this connection
with my dad, I started listening to the games on
the radio, and this, you know, obviously sparked an interest
that has carried me to this day.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
But I know, for and.

Speaker 4 (07:49):
We've done this spot, it's not gonna do it today.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
But I mean a lot of people out there, a
lot of guys and some of the girls as well,
they get this love of sports handed down from their dad, yep,
and it becomes that connecting rod that you need to
sort of start a relationship, something that we have in common,
that we will listen together. And of course, my dad being
a USC guy, you know, that was his number one

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USC football was his number one thing. Obviously it was
a Dodgers fan, a Lakers fan, but you know, USC
football was his lifeblood.

Speaker 4 (08:21):
That's how we got that connection going.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
It's a way. Okay, so you ever, you ever go
to a new classroom and your teacher for the first
week of school does those icebreaker exercises where you know,
it's like get to know you stuff, and it's always
so awkward and nobody really likes to do those things.
But at the end of the first week, you actually

(08:44):
you do know more about some of the people you're
in your class with better than you did before. The
way you just described sports and what it stands for
in terms of either fatherhood or motherhood is it's a
connection point. And it's not just a connection point for
your dad with you specifically. It could also be like

(09:05):
your dad with your friend group. You know, you turn
into a teenager and all of a sudden, you want
anything to do with your parents. But then you know,
you realize your buddy Mikey likes to talk I don't know,
Indianapolis Colts with your dad, or you know, your buddy
Frankie comes over and he happens to be an Oakland
A's fan, and so is your pops, and you realize, wow,

(09:25):
he has a pretty deep cerebral understanding of their lineup
in rotation, you know, like and it just it. And then,
by the way interspersed throughout that conversation, whether these teenage
children know it or not, all of a sudden, the
dad starts asking questions like, ah, so, anyways, what are
the plants tonight?

Speaker 6 (09:43):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (09:43):
Yeah, yeah, you guys are hanging out with them? How
well be careful, you know you remember laughting? Okay, okay.
You know it's like it's almost like it's subversive in
a way, like sports gets the conversation rolling and then
this way you could get to the information you're looking for.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
And I remember my dad doing that with me.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
I remember my dad doing that with my friends, and
I know I'm gonna do it with my boys. Like
it's just it's such a great meeting point. It's such
a great juncture point for us all and it's always there.
Like if there's one thing that the pandemic, you know,
robbed from us besides our health, in some cases lives
and we lost a lot of people, it was sports.

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It was the fact that somewhere in the background is
this noise that at any chosen moment, you can turn
the noise up a little bit, and even though it's
not important whether or not the Knicks one, or whether
or not the Celtics, you know, swept the you know,
it doesn't matter. It's just there and you can turn
up that volume a little bit to get away from

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whatever it is that's bugging you or whatever it is
you're avoiding talking about until you're comfortable talking about it.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
I love it for that reason.

Speaker 4 (10:50):
Yeah, it's been amazing. I was in my cards today.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
My oldest son is the big movie buff, and of
course that has been something of interest to me because
my dad I worked in the movie industry. So in
his card today he just talked about the fact that
I just love watching old movies with you, Dad, It's
like our thing. And then of course my younger son,
Garrett's the big sports guy, and he talked about our
connection with sports, and then I have a daughter, and
the thing about being a father to a daughter, You

(11:16):
guys know this. I mean, you're really setting the bar
for the men in their future, right, I mean, there's
an insane responsibility. And I fortunately have a very great
relationship with my daughter. So again, everyone have a great
Father's Day. We got lots to talk about over the
next few hours. Coming up on the other side, we're

(11:36):
going to get into the big day final round of
the US Open again. The leaders are about to tee off,
so we'll get ready for that. Also, the NBA Finals
are still on. But there's a lot more to this
story than that. We'll explain. This is Fox Sports Sunday.

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Speaker 4 (13:36):
All right, so we're getting ready for the.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
Team off of the leaders here at the US Oh
but I don't know how much you've watched some interesting
storylines as we go to this final round here Bryson
to Shambo has played lights out and it's been interesting,
Rich because we've been talking about, you know, live golf
versus the PGA Tour, and some of the live golfers

(13:59):
have really faded away.

Speaker 4 (14:02):
You know, from these majors.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
I mean, think John Rahm, even before his injury at
the US Open. Where's Dustin Johnson been at these majors?
And bryceon De'shambos the opposite. Like, this guy is really
playing the best golf of his life right now. I
think he was six at the Matters. Obviously, he was
runner up at the PGA last month, and he goes
into the final round with the three shot lead at

(14:24):
the US Open. So whatever he's doing on the live
tour besides collecting money, is working for his golf game
right now?

Speaker 1 (14:30):
Well, yeah, look, I whether you're a live golfer, you're
a PGA golfer. I think if you are concentrating on
the craft and you are practicing, and you're you're keeping
the promise to yourself and those who support you or
endorse you that you're going to take care of your
body and you're going to play a ton of golf

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and stay at the top of your game. I don't
really think it matters what league you play in, because
there's always going to be a certain number of golfers
who are capable of handling the stress of a weekend
when they're leading a tournament.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
How many times you see.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
A guy flirting with the top ten or the top five,
and then once Saturday hits, he falls to pieces. You know,
once Sunday hits, there's no way after all of the interviews,
all of the postmatch conversations that he's had with friends
or family, you know, the text messages, the phone blowing up,
all that stuff, how many of them fall apart. And

(15:31):
because it's hard. Golf is a hard sport to begin with.
But then when you add the aspect of all the
attention you received liked Chambeau or you know, a Woods
or a Mickelson or Rory or Spieth or you know,
I mean Brooks kept can name all of the top
golfers who have won. Well, those are the guys who

(15:53):
can handle that pressure. And there's only about, maybe right now,
twenty guys maybe twenty guys on the tour who can
consistently handle that pressure exactly.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
But you do have breakout wins, as we had with
Wyndham Clark at the LA Country Club a year ago
to win the US Open. This is the one major
where you probably have had more out of left field
champions than any other major.

Speaker 4 (16:16):
So we'll see how it plays out.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
Deshambo just teed off, so he and Babo, the final pairing,
are off and running.

Speaker 4 (16:23):
So well, we'll keep you updated there. All right.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
So we are still sitting here talking about the NBA Finals,
and I want to go back to this game for
Holy Macro. I mean, we had the Boston Celtics. Think
about this. The Boston Celtics won into Game four of
the NBA Finals having won ten consecutive playoff games this year.
That had never happened in Celtics historyiks, so think about that.

(16:45):
Seventeen NBA championships, not even during the Bill Russell or
Larry Bird era. Never before had the Celtics ever won
ten consecutive playoff games.

Speaker 4 (16:54):
And you lose this game by thirty eight.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
Now, a thirty eight point win in any game sort
of catches your eye, but in a playoff game, much
less an NBA Finals game, the only way that happens
is you have one team that's desperate, which obviously the
Mavericks were. They had to win to stay alive, and
then you have to have the other team mail it in.
And that's exactly what the Celtics did in Game four.

(17:18):
They literally mailed this game and with the mindset that,
all right, this is gonna be only our second championship
since nineteen eighty.

Speaker 4 (17:27):
Six, two thousand and eight, that's it.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
Since nineteen eighty six, they've only won one NBA championship,
So we're gonna do that at home. We want to
do it for the fans. But if you got that mindset,
and I guarantee you they did, because they absolutely mailed
in that Game four with the idea like, we want
to do this at home to me, you're playing with
fire because you talk about putting pressure.

Speaker 4 (17:51):
There's no pressure on the Mavericks.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
No team's ever come back from a three to zero
defensit in any playoff series in the history of the NBA.
So they're they're just playing with house money at this point.
No one expects on the win. But if any team
should know this, it's the Celtics. Thing about last year
Eastern Conference Finals, Remember they were, they were down three
to all, they won three in a row. They get

(18:13):
to Game seven and home, We're gonna be the first team,
we're gonna make history.

Speaker 4 (18:17):
And then they lay an egg at home Game seven.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
So I'm telling you right now, I would I would
think because you picked this series in five, right now
you are one hundred percent on the mark. But I
don't think Game five is going to be the gimme
that I think the Celtics mentally think it's gonna be.

Speaker 3 (18:35):
Well, we were.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
Talking about this yesterday on Fox Sports Radio. In my
thought process, my commentary was, look, and I've said this
about the Celtics the whole way. It kind of looks
like they've gotten a little bored at times with their opponents.
And I've compared it a lot to watching watching somebody
play with their food, you know, or you know, a predator. Yeah, look,

(18:57):
I mean there's no question a cat versus a rat
or a mouse, the cat's gonna win. But if the
cat gets complacent or starts goofing around, or gets lazy,
or you know, lets the mouse or the rat get
a little bit too close to its paw or its whiskers,
all of a sudden, you could get nit that, you know,
you could walk away from what should have been an absolute,

(19:20):
you know, lopsided affair with with a limp, you know,
because you know, when you back a scared animal into
a corner, it's going to bite, it's gonna try to
defend itself.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
And that's what it felt like happened.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
In Game four in Dallas.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
Dallas was being embarrassed.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
Not only were they being embarrassed by the Celtics for
just the way the Celtics were dominating them through the
first three games, but also in front of their home crowd,
and then also the media started jumping in on the party.
When you start having reporters who, yeah, look, and there's
a lot of people from a lot of different walks
of life who you know, comment who can look, anybody

(20:02):
can have their opinion on basketball or sports in general.
But when you have guys talking about Luka Doncic as
viciously as some of the and I'm not gonna use
the word slander, because I think it's fair to talk
about how how poorly a star is playing. I think
Luca heard it all. I honestly do. I think he

(20:23):
was listening. I think I think he heard some of
the commentary and said, man, they forgot how good I am,
and so I'm going to show him. And maybe that's
exactly what Dallas needs. They need a little bit of
a wake up call, and three to zero should be
more than enough of a wake up call, but maybe
it took a little bit extra.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
And so I agree with you.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
I think it is conceivable that Dallas can start winning
some games here, and they better if they want to
extend this series. But I think the most likely scenario
is this series returns to Boston and tomorrow the Celtics
put him on and we're talking about this next weekend saying, yeah,

(21:04):
you know, the Mavericks were just overmatched.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
Now I hope they don't.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
I honestly do, because look, I said this also at
the start of this, Steven, you could attest to this,
I'm hoping for an interesting series. So far, it hasn't
delivered a lot of drama. I'm hoping that this becomes
more dramatic and interesting.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
I just fear that it won't.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
Yeah, I agree, And when we think about it, the
Luca meltdown in Game three was just unforgivable. I mean,
your team has made this miraculous comeback from twenty one
points down to three, they're still over four minutes to
go in the game, and he gets two fouls that

(21:46):
were unnecessary. Yep, I mean he could spin it like
you know there was in both instances, you extended your leg.

Speaker 4 (21:54):
That's a block. I was very happy.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
I thought the officials might reverse that last call, because again,
you don't really want an NBA Finals game with the
start of the team fouls out.

Speaker 4 (22:04):
But they made the right call. It was a block.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
You extended your leg. And then for him to complain
about it and everything else, I'm like, dude, you're just
being stupid. Why would you even put yourself in that position.
Your team has just made this insane comeback to get
it to a two to one series.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
Wait, right now, we.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
Could be two to two if he doesn't go brain dead.
I just I could not believe what he did in
Game three. I just couldn't believe it. You can't be
a great player and have a complete mental breakdown as
he did with those two stupid fouls that were completely unnecessary.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
Well, it's just like golf, Steve. You know, we were
talking about how there may be twenty twenty golfers on
the planet right now. When it comes down to the
Saturday and the Sunday round of a tournament that they're leading,
or they're in the conversation taking the tournament, who can sustain?

Speaker 3 (23:00):
Who can who can keep.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
The mental acuity sharp and keep the skills from fading
and keep the tiredness and the soreness of a long
weekend walking a course locked in Like that's the same
in basketball, that's the same in the NFL playoffs. Now,
I understand different levels of physical strain and different levels
of a mental strain, but the thought process of being

(23:24):
able to keep your composure under fire, it is probably
the most admired skill anybody can possess. Who who is looking?
Who are you looking.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
Toward when there's an emergency?

Speaker 1 (23:36):
The guy who's losing his mind and running in circles
and and you know, flipping out and making mistakes. Or
the guy who's calm, cool and composed has all the answers,
is the same person when he's under fire or she's
under fire as when when you know the situation is
absolutely normal, that's the.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
Person you're looking for.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
Composure, low heart, Yes, you know.

Speaker 3 (24:01):
These are the Navy Seals.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
These are the special operators who guard our borders and
fight for us overseas that we send it to the
worst of situations because they can keep their composure.

Speaker 3 (24:12):
Those are the people who are finishers.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
Jordan Kobe, Lebron, Dwayne Wade like these are the people
who have been cool under fire and they find a
way to championships, multiple championships as a result of that composure.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
Well, he has an opportunity to redeem himself. I'm not
going to count Game four again. Boston mailed that game in. Yeah,
Dallas played better, but that was a mailing job. But
if he can come back and figure out a way
to lead his MAVs to a victory Game five in Boston,
then things can turn around.

Speaker 4 (24:42):
All right, Let's find out what is trending right now.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
And is always generosity is her middle name, always thinking
of everyone else. I'm speaking of Mandlauios, who not only
can in with breakfast today, but also bearing some Father's
Day gifts, including this daily Fai lotion. The last time
she gave me this, I literally use I'm not kidding
every drop like I was literally at the end. You know,

(25:07):
when you get down to its small and you're like
shaking out that last Oh yeah rop, And now I
have a brand new one. Thank you so much.

Speaker 10 (25:14):
You're very welcome. Rich I brought you one too to
keep you fresh. But you're not here.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
Well, I'll be there next week.

Speaker 10 (25:19):
Okay, Oh my gosh, Okay.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
I feel like I feel spoiled working with MONSI like
people would be like, you know, who's your favorite?

Speaker 3 (25:27):
I'm like, well, Manzi.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
The reason is because she gives me things. I mean,
she knows the quickest way to somebody's hard. I'm eating
breakfast burritos, or I'm well moisturized. You feel, so I
should feel how moist Steve has been.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
I've been so jealous.

Speaker 4 (25:43):
Everyone's like, what is your secret, Steve? How do you say?

Speaker 1 (25:45):
I go?

Speaker 4 (25:46):
It's that lotion. It's unbelievable.

Speaker 10 (25:48):
I just I like the men in my life to
look in smell good.

Speaker 11 (25:50):
I mean you know what I'm saying, Like, if I
got to be around you, I want you to look
and smell good the most important things. Bryson Deshambo has
officially teed off of the final round of the US Open.
I think he was going for a birdie but he
did not get it. I think he's just even as
just the first hole, he's still seven under bar overall.

Speaker 10 (26:09):
Rory McElroy is one under through his first hole, so
now he's just two shots back.

Speaker 11 (26:14):
Patrick Cantley, Matthew Puveon are three shots back.

Speaker 10 (26:17):
Still see we've been practicing the.

Speaker 12 (26:19):
Puvan poll On seen it like the four hours. I
think we're pretty good. Not gonna lie. Hero twenty twenty
four Denmark and Slovenia ends it in a one to
one draw.

Speaker 11 (26:33):
Earlier today, Netherlands defeated Poland two to one in the WNBA.
Caitlin Clark seven of eleven from the field, three of
seven from the three point line for twenty three points,
eight rebounds, nine assists.

Speaker 10 (26:45):
The Fever beat the Sky ninety one to eighty three.

Speaker 11 (26:48):
Her co partner Ailiah Boston nineteen points fourteen rebounds. Angel
Reese on the other end four to thirteen from the
field for eleven points thirteen rebounds. She was also called
for a flagger at one foul after she Kaylin Clark
in the head when she went in for a eleaya.
But the Fever beat the Sky ninety one to eighty three.
A lot of baseball going on. We're gonna check in

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with the Cardinals first, who are still holding on to
their lead over the Cubs to zero, top of the
six inning, Nationals edging the Marlins one zero bottom of
the fourth inning. The Orioles have only hit home runs
Gunner Henderson lead off home run number twenty two on
the season, Colton Kowser to run homer, and now at
the retchman with another homer. So they're blanking the Phillies
four zero. Top of the fourth inning. The Rays and

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the Braves were tied. Tampa Bay just took the lead
six to two. Bottom of the fourth. Blue Jays up
on the Guardians to zero top of the fourth. The
Mets also have taken a lead over the Padres. Francisco
Lindor home run followed by a three run homer from
Pete Alonso. They're beating the Padres four to one top
of the third inning, Reds up on the Brewers one
zero bottom of the second, and the Astros are beating
the Tigers one zero bottom of the second. The Twins

(27:51):
a doubleheader against the A's, also a couple of homers.

Speaker 10 (27:54):
First it was Carlos Correa, then Royce.

Speaker 11 (27:56):
Lewis, Twins up on the A's three zero bottom of
the first inning. Dodgers do have a game later today,
they're taking on the Royals. David Vasse just tweeted that
Yoshinobu Yamamoto and Michael Grove are both headed to il.
So that's not great. Yeahs, Yeah, Yamamoto is expected to
get for their test today.

Speaker 10 (28:15):
Uh so we'll see what happens. But they're both headed
to il. So no, it's not good, not good.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
But the good the Dodgers is there's still like seven
and a half games up in the division, so it's
no real danger.

Speaker 4 (28:27):
There in the NLS.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
Yes, Hi, Montsi, thank you very much, So check in
with you a little bit later on. Once again this
is Fox Sports Sunday. Steve Harbin, Rich Ornberger with you.
Uh and again Roy McElroy with that birdie at number one,
so he has cut that lead to two. Uh in
this us OAP and trying to chase down Rice and Deshambeau.
All right, I want to talk about and I where's Bo?

(28:50):
There's Bo here? Where's Bo? Where's Bo?

Speaker 1 (28:52):
I need Bo? Right, he's around, We need him.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
We need him right now, Bo, because this was another
big story this week associated to the end. And this
is the Woj versus Sham's rivalry, or the Shams versus Woj' rivalry,
which by the way, has its own Wikipedia.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
Page schedule for pay per view.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
Tell you about that, right, Shams versus Woj? Now Shams Now?
I think Bo? Can you set us stray here on
this Adrian war Zanowski we know of him forever? Right? Yeah,
this Shams guy, where did he come from? He's with
the athletic But how did this guy get to where
he is?

Speaker 13 (29:32):
If I remember correctly, Sham's was kind of like Woj's
understudy at Yahoo and they brought him. He brought him along,
and then Woj went to ESPN and Sham's I believe
state at Yahoo and then kind of has become like
the athletics insider. He's a I think he works with
stadium but Sham's kind of does his own thing, so
it's a little bit of like a Star Wars type

(29:53):
stuff too. It's Master and Apprentice. It's really interesting.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
Well, it's been unbelievable because we have this story. They
came out of nowhere rich about Dan Hurley. In fact,
last Sunday we were sitting here and Dan Hurley had
had his meeting with the Lakers and they said, you know,
tomorrow be the day where he makes his decision, and
then all these There were two things that came out
of this story that came directly from Woge that turned

(30:19):
out to be false, which is not good when you
are recognized as the guy when it comes to inside
information with the NBA. The two things that came out
of this story, because what we were being reported by Woge,
who's very close to Dan Hurley, is that the Lakers
are going to make a record offer more money than

(30:41):
it had ever been offered to any coach ever in
the history of the NBA to lure him away from
you caught. That turned out to be not even close.
The second thing that came out was the fact that
Dan Hurley was their number one guy from the get go,
which by the way is completely opposite of what Shabs

(31:02):
had said, where he said that it's been JJ Reddick
has been their number one guy from the get go,
and the holding up on Reddick was for him to
complete his assignment as an announcer for the NBA Finals.

Speaker 13 (31:15):
And I think the important thing to note there, too,
is that everybody in Los Angeles also said it was
JJ Reddick the entire time.

Speaker 4 (31:21):
We've all been saying.

Speaker 13 (31:22):
We had Mark Medina on with Dan Byer a couple
weeks ago and I asked him like, Hey, when is
JJ REDI gonna get hired? And he's like, you know,
pretty much at the conclusion of the final. So everybody
just has thought it's JJ Reddick all along.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
Yeah, it looked. What's so funny is there were a
lot of people in BO You know that, because we've
had conversations with some of them who viewed JJ Redick
as a smoke screen.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
And I never looked at it that way.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
I thought JJ Reddick was a serious consideration because of
Lebron James, and Lebron James runs the Lakers, thank you,
Clutch Sports runs the Lakers, and oh, by the way,
if they're going to even look at it, Dan Hurley's
not because Lebron all of a sudden had a change
of heart. It's because maybe JJ Reddick felt like they
didn't offer him enough, or maybe the Lakers felt like, boy,

(32:09):
JJ Redick is asking for a lot of money, Maybe
we should throw another consideration out there to cool this
off a bit and make sure he knows that he's
not the only one being considered. And maybe to a
greater or lesser extent, that backfired. But in no way,
shape or form did I think that JJ Reddick his
name getting tossed around as much as it did was

(32:31):
an accident, a mistake, because I think I always think this.
Why am I learning this? Does JJ Reddick really want
people to think he may be the next Lakers head
coach if he's a successful broadcaster, analyst, podcaster? No, probably not.
Probably not. My guess is since he does the podcast

(32:51):
with Lebron, and since they've had many conversations over the
years about basketball, Lebron appreciates his intellect and his basketball
IQ saw value in maybe having the Lakers hire him
as a head coach, and all of a sudden, the
goalposts may have changed positions because JJ Reddick realized through
his people like, Hey, you know, listen, I know you're

(33:13):
ensnared right now in the Lebron world and you think
that everything's gonna be gum drops and lemonade and life
is going to be easy being Lebron's coach. But could
we just run through the list of coaches that Lebron
has had and like, we can tell you from first
hand conversations what they've said about it. Look what you're
signing up for if you're a Lebron's head coach is

(33:36):
taking all the blame and taking zero praise. I mean,
if JJ Riddick's cool with that. Maybe it was going
to take more money than the Lakers were willing to
spend at the moment, or maybe they were trying to
push back on Lebron and say, hey, could we have
very least offer Dan Hurley and see if he would
entertain our offer, you know. And then oh, by the way,

(33:57):
they did Dan Hurley a huge favor because he's going
to get a huge contract extension with Connecticut here probably
going to be coming out soon. But I digress back.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
To the Lakers.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
Yeah, JJ Reddick felt like a very real consideration until
all of a sudden it wasn't and so I don't
necessarily think Sham's got it wrong, and I don't necessarily
think Woje got it wrong. But I do think that
this rivalry has teeth, and I think these guys legitimately
like dislike each other through the course of this sourced

(34:27):
reporting that they did.

Speaker 4 (34:29):
Well look at it. Chalms is in the driver's seat here.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
It looks bad for woj And by the way, the
Four Letter has done a major cover up on this one,
because when he made that breaking news, it was like
a faye to complete, like it was a done deal.
I mean, he had all the major voices on the
Four Letter talking about how it's going to look with
Dan Hurley as the new coach of the Lakers, you know,
with Bronnie James. You know they're gonna draft and he'll develop.

(34:56):
It was like a done deal. And I remember we
were thinking, what done deal?

Speaker 4 (35:00):
What happened here? He hasn't even met with a team.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
Yet, and all of a sudden, like you just said, Hey,
Dan Hurley, parlay.

Speaker 4 (35:08):
This into a sweet art deal. Yukon who's doing who
a favor?

Speaker 2 (35:12):
It's a bad look for woch I mean a really,
really bad because when Hurley officially turned down the job.

Speaker 4 (35:19):
Boy the Four Letter quickly turned the page.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
Well, and it's like, okay, because we look bad as
a network because we ran with this because our guy,
the number one inside in the league, says, if he
says it's gonna happen, it's gonna happen. When of you
had a story, when WOCH has a breaking story that
it doesn't happen, Well, this did not happen. In fact,

(35:42):
it just seemed like the Lakers went through the motions
of like, well, now that the story's out there, Yeah,
we'll bring in Dan Hurley.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
They've lowballed him.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
You know, it wasn't even a serious attempt to get
this guy there supposedly was the guy that they had
targeted all along, the guy real quick.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
Since you're the Lakers fan and you've been following this
team longer Wall so I mean Steve obviously, but I
do you think who do you think is gonna be
or okay, all things being able.

Speaker 4 (36:14):
To save it right there, we're gonna do this on
the other side.

Speaker 6 (36:17):
Who would be the better choice for the Wait, okay,
we'll get We'll get Bulb, mister insider here because he
lives and breathes this, he will give us the definitive
answer coming out.

Speaker 4 (36:26):
This is Fox Sports Sunday.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
Steve Harvin and Rich Armberger Here Fox Sports Sunday.

Speaker 4 (36:32):
We are live from the tire rack dot Com studios.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
Hope the dads out there are having a great Father's
day again. Roy McElroy has cut De Shambo's lead to two.
De Shambo parring the first two holes and McElroy has
a birdie. So we are keeping our eye on the
US Open, but we're also trying to get to the
end result of an endless weight. I mean, it seems

(36:56):
like Darvin Ham was fired a year ago. It's been
so long since Ham was released as the Lakers head coach.
Still looking for a new head coach. Rich, you pose
the question right before the break. We'll post it again
to Bo Benson. Are esteemed by the way, Happy Father's
Day to Bow as well.

Speaker 4 (37:15):
He's a girl's daddy.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
Yes, oh yeah, he's a girl.

Speaker 4 (37:19):
Daddy, all right, So you're beloved Lakers. This is a
critical move.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
They haven't had any coach since Phil Jackson left lasts
more than three years. They've had six coaches during that span,
so it's just been a revolving door of coaches. Is
that revolving door going to end? Are they going to
come up with the guy that will I don't know,
at least last more than three years leading them into
the future.

Speaker 4 (37:42):
And if so, who is that person going to be?

Speaker 13 (37:46):
It's going to be JJ Redick.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
My thing.

Speaker 13 (37:49):
At this point in the search. If they wanted to
hire James Barrego, or if they wanted to hire David Adelman,
I believe his name, Rick Adelman, his son. If they
wanted to hire anybody else, they would have, but they
haven't hired anybody. They brought JJ Redick in for a
formal interview yesterday. It's going to be Jj Reddick. I'm
ultimately fine with it. Like I don't think any of

(38:12):
these candidates are, you know, blow away candidates, Like you
got to hire them because we all thought Darvin Ham
was a good candidate. We don't know, We truly just
don't know. And there is a track record of success
for guys coming out of odd spots to be NBA
head coaches. Steve Kerr was a GM for the Suns.

(38:33):
Jason Kidd retired, went right into coaching and now is
in the NBA Finals. And you know, up until three
days ago, everybody was raving about him.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
Som Riley was announcer, a sidekick with Chick Kern who
fell into an assistant job and then got elevated again.

Speaker 13 (38:49):
We don't know at the end of the day, we
don't know what of these guys are going to be,
so sure, take a chance on JJ Redick. I mean,
James Barrego does not move me in the slightest I
would be very upset if that was what they ultimately
went with, seeing as he couldn't even win with the
Hornets in the East.

Speaker 4 (39:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
Well, Rich, I mean, this still comes down to what
we've all been talking about, because the Lakers and Lebron
insisting that he has no say, none, zero on who
the next coach is going to be. He publicly says
the Lakers need to do what's best for their future,
and we just know that's not the case.

Speaker 13 (39:19):
And that's why I think the Lakers were fine with
being used by Dan Hurley and woes for what they did,
because they get to say, oh, look, we tried to
hire Dan Hurley, but we didn't, so now we can
blame Lebron if JJ Reddick goes sideways.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
Well, yeah, and I what's really kind of it's like
the worst kept secret, or it's like the secret that
everybody knows but nobody wants to say out loud, the
fact that Lebron James is really secretly running the Lakers.
It's just so silly how he responds to things because

(39:53):
he has final say or a very least right to disapproval. Right,
So if they go to editing on this movie and
all of a sudden, even though the director has done
all the work, and the actors have done all the work,
and you know whoever, you know, the sound guy has
added all the sound that was Steve's dad's old gig. Like,
you get everything completely perfect, and then you present it

(40:17):
to Lebron James. He can hit cancel, he can say absolutely.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
Not, I will not be coached by that guy. And
then what do you say, if your Genie Buss will.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
Screw you, Lebron, you'll play under him or else? Or else?
Is he leaves?

Speaker 13 (40:32):
They have done that before.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
Though, to be fair, well and Mike, you said he leaves,
the reality is he hasn't agreed yet to his player
option exactly. Everything still has to play out. He has
to get the coach he wants and they need to
draft Brownie. And then, by the way, he may decide
after one year, if he gets that opportunity to get
some quality time on the court with his.

Speaker 4 (40:51):
Son, that he's done. I'm done, I'm done. I've done
it all.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
Then I walk away and oh, by the way, the
Lakers say, yeah, but we extended your deal, and he
goes yeah, and you're gonna still have to pay am
all right? Coming up on the other side, we actually
have some NFL news. We got to get to people
getting money that maybe they don't deserve. This is Fox
Sports Sunday rolling along here on this Father's Day. Fox
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if I remember Rich, you were up here for Father's
Day last year.

Speaker 3 (41:35):
Uh yeah, yeah, that's about.

Speaker 4 (41:36):
Celebrating with your father in law.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
Yep, yep. Biff Naylor eighty six years old and nice
and he's actually we were planning a trip up to
LA and the whole household up there in LA was
under the weather, so we decided to lay it by week.
We'll be up in La next weekend.

Speaker 4 (41:55):
Very very nice. We'll see you then.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
So what do you and I mean, I love how
it's your day, but then you're pretty much responsible for
the rest of the day. Do you have because we
were teasing it last week, you know, sort of your
idea of like a good Father's Day feast.

Speaker 4 (42:12):
Do you have something planned like that this afternoon?

Speaker 1 (42:14):
Well, so I bought the beef ribs. I bought the
pork ribs. Like I figured I was going to be.
I was going to be squired about, you know in
the early part of the day, you know, told how
great of a dat I am, and then somebody was
going to you know, throw an apron in my face
and go get in front of the grill. But but
what ended up happening was we got invited to another

(42:38):
Father's Day celebration. So I'm off the hook someone else.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
Now today today?

Speaker 2 (42:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, we'll good well enjoy that.
We're certainly enjoying things here again. Bryceon de Shambo with
a two shot lead over Rory McElroy. I mean, Rory McElroy.
Think about this, spen ten years since he won a major,
since he won his last major in twenty four thirteen.
In the last ten years, he's had twenty top tens

(43:06):
and ten top fives in majors.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (43:09):
I mean, so you talk about a.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
Guy that's due, he's due, but Deshambo's been steadied.

Speaker 4 (43:15):
So far, so too Shotley. By the way, here's a
quick note.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
Scotty Scheffler, number one golfer in the world, came in
red hot. A lot of people obviously picking him to
win the US Open. He just didn't have it. And
here he finished. He just finishes round at plus eight.
But here's what makes this tournament unique for Scotty Scheffler. Now,
obviously he's had tournaments where he has missed the cut,
but in tournaments in which he's played all four rounds

(43:42):
and there's one hundred and twenty of those, he has
never had a tournament until this tournament where he was
over par in all four rounds.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
First time ever for Scotty Scheffler that he had four
rounds every round was over par.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
Well, it goes to show you outside of the albatross,
the rare bird that was tiger Woods. There are certain
golfers who have their type of course they like to play,
you know, their type of their style of play that
they've grown accustomed to, whether it be in their upbringing,

(44:21):
like you know, certain courses mimic the courses that they
have the most experience on, or you know, the level
of travel or the conditions of the course, whether it
be warm or cold, or wet or dry or whatever.
You know, hilly or very flat, wide open or very
confined in terms of woods. You know, all those things

(44:41):
matter and can have an effect on a golfer, like
I said, outside of Tiger Woods, who seem to be
able to win in a variety of different conditions and
courses and all those things I just mentioned.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
But Scotti Scheffler, he may not.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
He just may not do well when the USGA kind
of sinks their claws into a course and makes it
so that the greens have a tiny little area where
you can flop a shot onto and have it not
roll off, you know, to have the greens cut so
short that it's like putting on a glass coffee table,

(45:18):
to have the fairways narrow, to have the rough extremely overgrown,
like the USGA. Their stated goal with the US Open
is to have the winning golfer shoot par, which if
you're doing the math, then you're doing it correctly.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
I promise you are.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
It means every other golfer in the field is plus
one or worse.

Speaker 4 (45:35):
Right now, there are six golfers under par.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
That's incredible.

Speaker 4 (45:40):
Six six, that's it.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
The only six players right now are under par for
this tournament.

Speaker 4 (45:47):
So it's playing out beautifully.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
Obviously, when we talk about Pinehurst, you're talking about one
of the legendary courses in America.

Speaker 4 (45:53):
I want to use a little golf analogy to get
us into the national football like all right.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
So one of the leaders on the board right now,
and I'm a little partial because the UCLA guy, Patrick Cantley,
and we just had Xavier Shaffley finally breakthrough and win
the PGA champions Xanders Sanders.

Speaker 4 (46:14):
I'm sorry, Xander Schoffley. I don't know it, said Xavier.
It's the next thing. So Xander Schoffle finally breaks through
and wins the PGA.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
But talk about two golfers that have very similar resumes,
and then it goes in two different directions. So Xander
Schoffley has played going into this US Open in twenty
eight Majors. In those twenty eight majors, he's made thirteen
top tens and seven top fives. Patrick Cantlay And by

(46:45):
the way, Xander Schoffley and Patrick Cantley have both won
eight PGA.

Speaker 4 (46:50):
Tournaments in their career.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
In other words, they've had a very successful career already
eight PGA tournament championships.

Speaker 4 (46:57):
So I mentioned it again.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
Xander Schoffley twenty eight majors, thirteen top ten, seven top fives.
Patrick Cantley has played in twenty nine majors, four top tens,
one top five. So the record is identical until it
gets to the majors. And where I'm going with this

(47:19):
right now is when we talk about quarterbacks and their
ability to put up regular season numbers versus postseason numbers.
So the Jacksonville Jaguars have given Trevor Lawrence a contract
that now at least ties him in terms of salary

(47:40):
with Joe Burrow. This is a guy whose record is
twenty one to thirty one including the postseason. It's also
a quarterback who last year after eight and three, one
in five down the stretch, and he gets rewarded with
I think it's one hundred and forty two million guaranteed
Trevor Lawrence. But here's the thing that I've looked at

(48:03):
over the years in terms of quarterbacks that have postseason
success versus those that somehow fall.

Speaker 4 (48:12):
Short in the postseason.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
Usually, if you have the aptitude to be a successful
playoff quarterback, it's there from the get go.

Speaker 4 (48:23):
Now, you might not win a Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
But at least it shows that you're making progress in
the postseason in a positive way to build to that moment.
Almost every single quarterback that has had the ultimate success
in the postseason in the NFL has always played well
in the postseason. Doesn't mean they win every game, but
they have played well. But those that don't play well,

(48:47):
they continually fall down the same path. Now, when we
talk about Trevor Lawrence, maybe it's too early, But when we.

Speaker 4 (48:57):
Talk about Dak Prescott, it's not too early.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
No, Just like it was with Tony Romo, just like
it is with Lamar Jackson.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
You know, I.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
Always think back again to my Raider days when we
had Jim Plunkett versus Mark Wilson. Mark Wilson could throw
the ball much better than Jim Plunkett, but the players.
I would ask him, I say, what's the difference they
go When we're in that huddle with a guy that's
been there and done that, it raises all of us.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
Yep, we all.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
Play better when our leader has that on their resume.
And so, you know, I was hurrying one of our
hosts the other day talking about, well, you know, tom
Brady doesn't do it alone, and you know he's had help,
and I'm like, no, you're not understanding. And Tom Brady
is and rich you would know this firsthand. When you

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have someone like Tom Brady, he simply by being in
that huddle raises the bar for everybody.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
Yeah, to give you like an example of the feeling
that you have when a Tom Brady is in the
huddle with you, or even a Philip Rivers is in
the huddle with you versus another quarterback. And I'm not
gonna name any other quarterbacks that I played with, you know,
I don't want to embarrass anybody because that's not what

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this is about. But there is a very different feeling
when you're in the huddle with a different quarterback. It
feels like that you're the one supporting them as opposed
to the other way. Around, Like when Tom Brady's in
the huddle. It's that feeling when you're a little kid, like, oh,
Dad's in the room. Yeah, you know what I mean, Like,
oh wow, Like we're gonna be okay because Dad's here.

Speaker 3 (50:43):
You know, when when you have.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
Your your cousin babysitting.

Speaker 3 (50:48):
For you, completely a different feeling.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
Ah, it's cousin Jim, Jim's all right, But when Dad's there,
everything's fine.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
That's the difference.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
Like when you have a true field general in the huddle,
there is a gravitas, there is a feeling of everything's
gonna be all right, and frankly, it's earned. It's not
something that you have entering the league. When Tom Brady
was a sixth rounder out of Michigan, trust me, there
were a lot of people who were in the Flutie camp.
I promise you, I promise you there, or excuse me,

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in the Bledsoe camp.

Speaker 3 (51:20):
There was a lot.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
Of people who wanted him in the huddle because you
got to earn it. But once you earn it, then
it's it's the only thing you want. It's everything you chase.
It's the reason why there were receiver after receiver after
receiver leaving beautiful coastal cities where they were the highest
paid receiver, and they were coming to play in New England,

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where the weathers are hard, where the weather's harsh al
all year long except for three months where it's not. Look.
I mean, Boston is a fine town. I'm not gonna
say anything bad about the city. I loved it. I
lived in Boston. But I mean it's not Miami, you
know what I mean. It's not even North Carolina. I
mean there's a lot of places around the United States

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that there. I'm sure there's a lot of football players
who would rather live. LA now has two teams like
but when you have an opportunity to play with a
player like Tom Brady, it's a completely different thing. Going
back to the conversation you're just having about Trevor Lawrence
getting this amazing amount of money, I understand the argument
and I completely agree with it. But at the same token,

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this is just the cost of doing business in this
zip code. And I always compare the quarterback conversation to
real estate because I think it's a great way to
look at it. It's the most understandable way that I've
ever looked at it.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
When you buy a house.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
The aim is to try to buy a house that's
going to hold its value, whether you're buying or by
the way, or increase in value, whether you're buying a
turnkey property that you don't have to put any sweat,
a sweat equity into just by you of being in
this zip code, it is going to increase in value
over time.

Speaker 3 (53:04):
Then buy that house. If you're gonna buy a fixer on.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
That same block that you know, if you put in
one hundred two hundred thousand dollars worth of effort, you know,
improve the landscaping, redo the kitchen, and a couple of bathrooms,
all of a sudden you have.

Speaker 3 (53:17):
A high high end house on a very good block
and a very good zip code.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
Well go for it. There's a way to find value
in both. And the comparison I just made to you
would be like re signing a Patrick Mahomes he's the
turnkey property in that good zip code, or finding a
Baker Mayfield who was a little bit of a fixer.
You bought him for a million dollars and then you
invested a bunch of money in him, but you're not

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spending as much as you.

Speaker 3 (53:43):
Would on a Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
You're not spending as much money on him as you
would a Joe Burrow, but you're spending a little bit
of money on him. You're putting about thirty million dollars
into the kitty and you're gonna see how it goes
for you. Well, guess what.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
It's expensive to do business in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
At the quarterback market.

Speaker 4 (54:00):
Yeah, but you got to figure out if he is
the guy.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
I mean, Dak Prescott is two and five in the postseason,
Lamar Jackson's two and four in the postseason.

Speaker 4 (54:10):
I mean, if your ultimate goal is.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
And you know, I got a lot of blowback when
I define franchise quarterback, And in my mind, there's one
right now. His name is Patrick Mahomes because not only
has he won a championship, he's done it several times.
So I mean, if you're I mean, there's a difference
to me between this. It's like the overutilized term superstar. Yeah,

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I mean, Michael Jordan was a superstar.

Speaker 4 (54:39):
You know, Tom Brady is a superstar.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
To put it other people like, you know, well, you know,
Patrick Mahomes is a superstar. Josh Allen's a really good quarterback.
But you got Burros a really good quarterback. These are
not superstars.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
Better than average, I'll give him that, but I mean,
come on, I mean, seriously, you can include them in
the same conversation as Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 3 (55:06):
I don't disagree with you.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
I think Brady is in and was in an echelon
of his own when he was playing. I feel the
same way about Patrick Mahomes. In fact, I've said this before.
I think Brady is the greatest of all time. But
I'd make the argument to anybody that I think Patrick
Mahomes is the most talented quarterback we've ever seen at.

Speaker 4 (55:24):
This stage of his career.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
He's had the best career of any quarterback in NFL history.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
His skill set at this point is undeniable. I mean,
he's a better athlete than Brady. Will see how the
stats end up, whether it'll prove it or not, but
you can make the argument that he's a better thrower
of the football. I mean, this guy he's from, he
feels unstoppable.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
So look, I agree with you Patrick Mahomes. No argument here.

Speaker 1 (55:48):
He's a superstar and I think all other lights that
shine around him in terms of quarterback play in the
NFL dim in comparison to his bright, shining star. However,
I want to humanize this conversation because I always thought
you took it too.

Speaker 3 (56:04):
Far when you when you when you set the bar.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
Patrick Mahomes for a franchise quarterback, because I understand that's
what everybody's chasing. But you also have to understand that
these are people who run businesses. So the owner, he's
investing a ton of money into having a successful franchise,
and success is a subjective term. Success to the Chiefs
is winning next year Super Bowl. Success to the Jacksonville

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Jaguars is making a deep run. I'm fairly certain they
would be satisfied. Shodkhan and his son and the other
people around him would probably be happy with that. Justin
Herbert and the Chargers year one, with Jim Harbaugh getting
to the postseason, I think the majority of the people
in that franchise, outside of maybe Herbert and Jim Harbaugh,
who are ultimately some of the most headstrong competitors we

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know of, in that franchise, I think there's gonna be
a lot of satisfied faces.

Speaker 3 (56:57):
So you have to remember success is subjective.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
A franchise quarterback, even is a subjective conversation, But to me,
a franchise quarterback is the type of quarterback who, if
he plays the way he's supposed to play, everybody keeps
their jobs.

Speaker 3 (57:12):
Everybody keeps their jobs.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
So to a tongue of I LOA has played well
enough that the general manager isn't getting fired, the head
coach isn't getting fired. Right, Josh Allen has played well
enough that the head coach isn't getting fired. By the way,
he did have a dip in performance after his offensive
coordinator left, and so they fired another offensive coordinator to
make sure that everybody was on warning, like, hey, we're

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cutting a little close to the bone here. We're feeling
like we're subjectively failing instead of succeeding. And then his
play started going in the right direction. They made the postseason,
they get knocked out by the Chiefs. The story is written,
but there are varying levels of success. And when you
humanize it and you say to yourself, am I paying

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a quarterback here in Jacksonville that's going to keep everybody's
jobs around here?

Speaker 3 (58:02):
The answer is yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
And that's the reason why the decision maker said, Hey, shot,
owner of the Jacksonville Jaguars. We've got to sign this
kid because if we don't. If we don't, someone else
will and they'll pay him more. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (58:18):
Well that's the risk you take.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
But again, if you're giving him all that money, well,
look at we go on and on and on.

Speaker 4 (58:24):
The bottom line is is that here's the good news.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
No matter how bad an owner you are in the NFL,
you're still going to make money.

Speaker 4 (58:33):
Okay, it doesn't matter. Yeah, I mean we have some
miserable owners in this league.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
Yes, and they're still raking him money beside aside from
the fact that they have no clue what they're doing.
All right, coming up on the other side, by the way,
Bryson deshambo just bogie the fourth hole and this course
looks brutal today for this final round of the US UP.
And we'll keep you updated on that. And again we're

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gonna get back to another story that just simply doesn't
go away. We'll try to explain why this is Fox
Sports Sunday. Steve Harbin or Rich Armberger, Fox Sports Sunday.
We are live from the Tairaq dot Com studios, and
Rory McElroy just bogeyed the fifth hole, which is not good.

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There's two par fives and two par threes in this course.
It's a par seventy for this tournament. So the par
five's you need the birdie. He just bogeed after he
hit kind of shot you and I would hit. He
was in sort of that fringe stuff, you know, like,
and he tried to chip it onto the green and

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it rolled right back into the trap. Did not hit
a great trap shot, and he just missed barely the
par putts, so he falls back to minus four. Meanwhile,
the t shot for De Shamble on number five is
also in the hay. So things looking like a major
should you know where it's You're just trying to get
par and good stuff going on there, all right. So

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earlier this morning, I'm watching the Fever Sky game. Yeah,
and it just never ends with Caitlin Clark, right, But
this is her second matchup against Angel Reese. And to
Kaitlin Clark's credit, because she's had some really bad games recently,
this was absolutely one of her best games of the year.

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She played great, but she seemed to be and by
the way, the scene is only the fifth time the
Fever won a game this year, two against the Sky
and Angel Reese. But during this game, Angel Reese delivered
a deliberate shot.

Speaker 4 (01:00:44):
To Caitlin Clark's head.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
I mean, it wasn't even remotely going for the ball.
You know, sometimes you can sort of get away with it,
you like going for the ball, but then purposely follow
through and hit somebody.

Speaker 4 (01:00:56):
This was not that at all.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
This was one of those I am going to hit
you on the side of the head. By the way,
with her elbow, Kaitlin Clark went down, by the way,
we were watching this through. We did not see any
of Caitlyn Clark's teammates come to her to actually help
her up. Angel rees though out of a flagrant file
for that one. After they reviewed the play and then

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Montzi was pointing out the fact that Angel Reese is
now wearing a rebox shoe that has the Joker on it,
like the bad guy Joker. So she's milking this for
everything because people understand the connection between Angel Reese and
Caitlin Clark going back to their college days, and Angel
Reese is finding out realizing that, hey, if I want

(01:01:42):
to continue to be relevant like people talking about me,
I got to maintain this connection as the good versus
bad here with Caitlyn Clark. But this whole thing just
it just keeps going and going and going.

Speaker 4 (01:01:56):
I thought people would tire of this.

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
They're not, no, because look, if there's one thing that
people do genuinely like, it's it's reality. And when they
can't have reality, they like to have fake reality created
for them.

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
Look, reality television.

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
I hate to pull back the curtain a little too
far for people who are not ready to hear this
twenty years later. Reality television is not real. It's all scripted. Yes,
everybody knows what's gonna happen. These seasons are plotted out
in living rooms, in boardrooms, and both executives over the
course of sometimes several years. So this should come as

(01:02:40):
no surprise to anybody. But I think there still are
some people who are a little naive.

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
Oh no, there are people. They're screaming at you right now.
Rich It's real, man, it's real.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
It's as real as professional wrestling, and to be still real,
to be damn it, perfectly honest with you, the WNBA
is becoming professional and old wrestling. I hate this because
it deserves better. I mean, it's a real sport. Just
because I'm not particularly interested in women's basketball. It's not

(01:03:12):
subjectively something that I really watch a ton of which,
by the way, there are other sports that exist in
a blind spot for me. I'm not the biggest hockey
fan on television.

Speaker 4 (01:03:20):
You watch soccer day and night.

Speaker 3 (01:03:22):
I'm not a big soccer fan.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
Look, I watch football, basketball, I watch baseball. I watch
a ton of it, and then on the fringe, I'm
interested in the fight game when there's a boxing match.

Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
I'm really interested.

Speaker 4 (01:03:34):
Your golf championship.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
Golf, of course, especially around the majors this weekend, especially
for the Open Championship, the Masters, the PGA Championship. Do
you watch Wimbledon the FedEx Cup? Occasionally I'll turn on
the Wimbledon. But here's the deal. When it comes to
women's basketball, it's not it doesn't particularly interest me. But
I will say this, Kate, when Clark interests me. This

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storyline with Kaitlyn Clark interests me. The fact that she
has had a tough transition into pro basketball interest me.
I've watched hundreds of percent more basketball on the woman's
side than I ever have, and it's a result of
Caitlin Clark's involvement. And by the way, on my timeline
now I'm seeing highlights from WNBA games, whereas in years past,

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never before, never before, certainly not understanding who's involved. But
when I saw that Caitlyn Clark moment come across my timeline,
not only did I know it was Kaitlin Clark who
was being fouled, but I also knew that it was
Angel Rees fouling her. I could probably have named a
handful of players, maybe gun to my head, you know,

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in the past. Now I've got a growing list of
characters involved in the WNBA and it's all thanks to
Caitlin Clark.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
Well, and again it is thanks to Caitlin Clark and
Andel Reese. It's a marketing bonanza foot they do in
this game. If I deliver a shot like that, yeah,
people are gonna watch it. It's gonna be replayed on
social media over No, you can't.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
Go too far, though, because I'm telling you, Steve Yes,
the w NBA should lean into, you know, beef, and
should lean into all the things the NBA leans into.
But if if your league becomes about the women who
want to become famous taking pot shots like Kennedy Carter,
now it's Angel Reese taking cheap shots at the biggest

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star your sport has ever had. Like, that's the reason
why you continually go viral. Because Caitlin Clark, you know,
the the brand new first overall draft pick the hawk
guy who's playing for the hometown state or her home time.
She gets annihilated night after night just because some of
these other quote unquote stars like Angel Reese want to

(01:05:54):
get close to the torch. I mean, you gotta be
careful because that's not what you to be known for.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
All right, let's find out what is trending right now.
She's been all over this story and every other story
going on.

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
That would be.

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
Mancy Belanya, who was all over this Angel Reese's shoes.

Speaker 10 (01:06:14):
Yes, yes, the joker they're actually pretty cool looking.

Speaker 4 (01:06:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:06:18):
And as I think I've said, I was like, I
would lean into the villain role if I chose, like,
you know, if I wanted to. Like, I'm not against
her leaning names.

Speaker 4 (01:06:27):
Joel Reese is trending right now.

Speaker 10 (01:06:28):
Of course she is. Of course she is.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
People are arguing in no names that she plays, is
she trending unless she has a matchup against Caitlyn Clark,
And in both of these games, she knows exactly what
she's doing.

Speaker 11 (01:06:44):
I mean, it's hard to believe that she doesn't right,
that she's not embracing it, pushing into it. Now, you
know that the foul that was upgraded to a flicker
in one it's like, yeah, she I don't think she
was trying to hate Kaylyn, Yes she was. I think
she really wanted to block her. I think she know
you want to she is.

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
First of all, Monsei is changing her two we watched
this together. Yes, she's not even looking at the ball,
but that's what I think.

Speaker 11 (01:07:08):
She wanted it so bad that she didn't think about it,
that she lost control. I've seen the She didn't just
hit her over the head.

Speaker 4 (01:07:15):
She had the elbow to.

Speaker 11 (01:07:16):
That in a certain angle, it looks robot.

Speaker 1 (01:07:19):
Listen, I'm gonna speak from from somebody who spent his
entire life in combat on the offensive line. Yes, she
knew exactly what she was doing. Oh yeah, listen, I'm
telling you you are when you're a basketball player, especially
like you know, this isn't a situation where I don't know,
maybe you could make an excuse if it was a
lacrosse like, hey, I meant to go for the stick.

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I mean, it's not a part of my body.

Speaker 3 (01:07:44):
Sometimes, you know, you swing the stick, it hits.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
You know, hockey, you know, maybe you give somebody because
they're holding a stick, you know. But when we're talking
about your body, that's your forearm that you are swinging
towards somebody else's head. You know exactly what you're doing.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
That felt very intentional.

Speaker 11 (01:08:02):
Yeah, I feel like she just wanted to block her
so bad. I've been watching this video a thousand times
and no, definitely a flaker at one and there was
an angle on the shot where it does look like
her elbow hits the side of her temple, which is
a scary shot to hit somebody there.

Speaker 10 (01:08:18):
So but I just look, I think she really just
wanted to block her.

Speaker 11 (01:08:22):
She wanted the moment, She wanted the glory of blocking
Caitlyn Clark, and it did not go her way. In fact,
it didn't just go the way for the Sky because
they lost to the Fever ninety one to eighty three.
Kaitlyn Clark twenty three, eight and nine was her final
stat line, but she didn't do it alone. I Leah Boston,
who was a number one overall pick last year nineteen
and fourteen, nine to thirteen from the field two games

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going on right now in the WNBA, the Mercury beating
the Storm thirty seven twenty three, about four minutes to
go in the first half, with the Dream up on
the Sparks.

Speaker 10 (01:08:51):
Twenty nine to twenty three, six minutes to go.

Speaker 11 (01:08:53):
In the first half. We'll check in on Major League Baseball.
A Grand Slam already on the day and it was
for the Blue Jays.

Speaker 10 (01:09:01):
Dalton var shows.

Speaker 11 (01:09:02):
So right now the Blue Jays are beating the Guardian
seven to four. It's the seventh inning, the race still
on top of the Braves sixty four, bottom.

Speaker 10 (01:09:09):
Of the eighth. Another homer for the Orioles.

Speaker 11 (01:09:12):
Now it's Jordan and Westburg, so that's four players have
homers and the Orioles are beating the Phillies at home,
eight two, top of the seventh inning, Nationals up on
the Marlins three to one, top of the eighth, with
the Cardinals still beating the Cubs two to one. It
is the top of the ninth inning in Chicago, the
Mets beating the Padres at home seven to two, top
of the sixth, the Reds with the three to one

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lead over the Brewers top of the sixth inning.

Speaker 10 (01:09:35):
Ellie de La.

Speaker 11 (01:09:36):
Cruz stole second, stole third. They try to pick him off,
and then he got home.

Speaker 10 (01:09:41):
He's just too fast. He's just too fast.

Speaker 4 (01:09:44):
I I I miss see again.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
Old school baseball had way more activity on the base pass. Yeah,
I mean every team had that leadoff guy. He got
on base and then he would be off and running.
I miss those days.

Speaker 10 (01:09:58):
Yeah, No, he brings that. He brings that back for sure.

Speaker 11 (01:10:01):
Astro is blanking the Tigers four zero bottom of the six,
Twins blanking the A's four zero bottom of the fifth.

Speaker 10 (01:10:07):
It's game one of a double Hudder and.

Speaker 11 (01:10:08):
The Pirates with the lead over the Rockies to one
bottom of the second inning. Bryson Deshambos still in the
lead at the US Open six under par, though he
is won over for the day through five holes.

Speaker 10 (01:10:21):
Rory McElroy even through six holes.

Speaker 11 (01:10:23):
Rory McElroy two shots back, Patrick Cantley, Matthew Pavaughn. Now
three shots back back to you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
All right, very very good, Yeah, thanks for getting interesting.
Here is uh again? When you're playing for a major
golf championship, it's supposed to be tough.

Speaker 10 (01:10:38):
It is supposed to be and.

Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
Right now Pinehurst is doing a number here on the
leaders Somebody's gonna survive and win that championship.

Speaker 4 (01:10:45):
Hi, Monzie, thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
We'll check in with you a little bit later on
Steve Hartman, Rich Ornberger with you here on Fox Sports
Sunday on this Father's Day, and hope all the dads
are having a great day out there.

Speaker 4 (01:10:56):
Hopefully you remember dad on Father's Day.

Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
That would be you and I all three of my
kids A plus A plus because they wrote thoughtful cards.
So their dad, that's all I care about. And I
know your son's really wrote something nice.

Speaker 1 (01:11:11):
To you today.

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
At what point you have an eight year old a
five year old, because I'm trying to think back, like
when when it is that you start like, yeah, you
need to step up and like write something, you know,
like I think it was just like I love you
dad or something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:28):
Yeah. The eight year old, he's at the point now
where he can sit down and write a card for
a friend or a family member and it'll range from
a scribble on a white piece of printer paper to
like this elaborate, you know thing with cutouts and you know,
sock puppets. I mean, it's unbelievable. So he's at the

(01:11:51):
age where he could do it. He he opted not
to make a card this year, which you know, that's
a choice and it will be reflected in his life.

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
So there is a way to get back of it.
Rich has told me this many times over the years.
When it comes to the kicking specialist on a team,
they're just sort of off on their own little world, right,
I mean they have they're on their own little corner there,
and you got the punter, you got the kicker, maybe
you got a long snapper, the holder, and they're just

(01:12:22):
sort of doing their thing while you're grunting it out
there during training camp, you know, getting ready for the season.
And so for most teams, in fact almost every team,
the kicker and the punter are really the last persons
that you're talking about on a team. There is a
team though, that is a complete diversion of this that

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would be your Super Bowl champion, Kansas City Chiefs.

Speaker 1 (01:12:47):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (01:12:47):
First, you have Harrison.

Speaker 2 (01:12:48):
Bucker with his comments that are still being talked about
after his speech is commencement speech where he talked about
his values and his thoughts on women's role in the world.
And now it apparently is a done deal that Matt Riza,
the former San Diego State punter. You saw his whole

(01:13:09):
career and we interviewed him many times over the years,
is now going to get a second chance at the NFL.
In fact, the Chiefs have released their number one punter
to clear room for a Riza, who will be the
chief punter coming up here in the twenty twenty four season.

Speaker 4 (01:13:24):
Now, this guy said all kinds of NCAA records.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
I mean, his leg is ridiculous, And I know Brady Hokus,
coach said, I've never had a team where it's clear
that our punter is by far the best player on
our team. But then he got accused of being part
of a gang rape of an underage girl. Eventually the
Chargers were dropped and now he's back in. But you

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know it's going to be a subject, you know, once
you get to training camp. So you're gonna have reporters
surrounding your kicker bucker about his comments, and then you're
gonna have Ariza also answering a lot of questions like
what exactly did happen? This just does not happen where
the center controversy is swirling around the two kickers on

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your team.

Speaker 3 (01:14:08):
Well, and then don't forget about it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
They also have a receiver, yes, Shee Rice, who had
a very busy offseason.

Speaker 2 (01:14:13):
A couple of offensive lineman got busted. They even had
another guy just get arrested.

Speaker 1 (01:14:18):
Yeah, the Chiefs have a lot of public relations work
to deal with. And look, this is the case with
I wouldn't say most of the NFL, but with many
NFL teams. They're gonna look past a lot of the
off the field stuff to make sure that the stuff
on the field is as good as it possibly can be.

(01:14:41):
So I don't think once we get to the season,
when most people's eyes in terms of kickers and receivers
are going to be on their fantasy football team, all
of a sudden, morality starts getting starts taking a backseat
to production.

Speaker 3 (01:14:56):
So the off season is.

Speaker 1 (01:14:58):
All about morality though, And Harrison Bucker, whatever your opinion
on him, whether he's a pig because he said disgusting
things and you completely disagree, or he said things that
resonates with you because his beliefs represent your beliefs, I
don't think this is as big of a story as

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what matteriza win through.

Speaker 3 (01:15:21):
What matterizesa went through.

Speaker 1 (01:15:23):
And look there have been many others who have gone
through this, and I've played with many players who've gone
through things like this. He was wrongfully and falsely accused
for something he did not do, and his name was
dragged through the mud for two years, and as a
result of that, he lost an incredible amount of money.

(01:15:44):
In fact, he launched a countersuit that he later dropped
because he just wanted to move on with the rest
of his life, and it really probably would have just
costed him a bunch of money and legal fees and
then would have netted him very little other than maybe
further exonerating him from this this moment that that forever

(01:16:05):
changed the story around Mattariza. But to your point, well
mainly to Brady Brady Hoake's point, longtime football coach, I've
never witnessed a punter single handedly takeover games like never,
never once in my entire playing career or my career
as a broadcaster and as the color analyst of San

(01:16:26):
Diego State football. I can tell you I can. I can.
I'll give you a list of the games. I'll go
back and rewatch them, and I will give you a
list of the games where this this one player at
the punter position absolutely changed the fortunes in the fate
of a football team. He would pin the opponent deep

(01:16:46):
multiple times a half, like to the point where they're
they're they're fighting out of their own end zone, out
of the shadow of their own goalpost every single drive.

Speaker 3 (01:16:55):
I mean, he would take situations that seemed completely.

Speaker 1 (01:16:59):
Desperate, letely bleak, where he's literally kicking punting the football
with his heels against his own end line and he's
putting the football all the way back to the opponent's
twenty or inside the twenty. That happened multiple times. It
was an unbelievable run of success. So if the Chiefs
end up getting that Matriza all of a sudden, they

(01:17:20):
have a secret weapon. Oh yeah that nobody else in
the league is aware of how detrimental it'll be to
their perceived success when facing the Chiefs. Because the game
of football, it is about blocking, tackling, catching, throwing.

Speaker 6 (01:17:34):
Yeah, field position, but field position steven Yeah, after it's
a game of chess completely, and if you.

Speaker 1 (01:17:40):
Have the field position game one, you have everything.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
He averaged over fifty one yards upon his last year
at San Diego State. Think about that, over fifty one
yards put All right, coming up on the other side,
we'll get back to the NBA. Yeah, we still have
the NBA Finals going on, and one player in particular says,
expect to see me in action. Who is that? We'll
tell you. This is Fox Sports Sunday, Steve Hartman and

(01:18:04):
Rich Rmberger Here Fox Sports Sunday on this Fathersday. We
are live from the ti Iraq dot Com studios. I
don't know too many people going into these NBA Finals
that would have said that the key player in this
series is going to be Christavs.

Speaker 4 (01:18:20):
Persingis right.

Speaker 2 (01:18:22):
But the fact is, in the first two games, this
is a pretty amazing stat. So in the first two games,
both Boston victories, he played forty four minutes, and in
those forty four minutes, Boston was a plus twenty five.
Right in the fifty two minutes he did not play.
In those two games, it was even so when he

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was on the court, plus twenty five when he was
not on the court, even And then we had Game three,
which was pretty even game. I mean again, if Luca
doesn't have some brain fart and found himself out of
that game, who knows. And then we saw what happened
in game four far so now we go to game five.

(01:19:07):
I don't know this injury. They're just saying it's a
really rare injury. I can't even pronounce all the different
names here. Something with his left leg, let's put it
that way.

Speaker 1 (01:19:18):
But he heirorn of retinaculum.

Speaker 2 (01:19:23):
Retinaculum that allowed the dislocation of the posterior tibulous tennis
tobialis whatever. But he apparently was supposedly active for game four.
Obviously he did him play in Game four, but he
says he'll do whatever he can to play in game five.
But as we saw certainly in the first game, I mean,

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his presence on that court changed the whole dynamic in
a way that nobody was talking about because well, he
hadn't played in over a month.

Speaker 1 (01:19:53):
Well, with Porzingis, when you look at the type of
player he is when he is healthy and motivated, he's
one of those I guess you would say multiple threat players. Look,
he's so long that defensively this doesn't sound like a lot,
but he's a tough guy to get around because he

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just covers up so much surface area.

Speaker 3 (01:20:17):
Also, over the course of his.

Speaker 1 (01:20:19):
Career, he's gotten he's he's got to become a much
better defender.

Speaker 3 (01:20:23):
Kind of similar tracks. Not as offensively.

Speaker 1 (01:20:27):
Affront of as or or not as high of an
ability on offense as Kevin Durant, but similar tracks defensively,
Kevin Durant had to play his way into an NBA
NBA body, and he had to play his way into
an NBA defender. And he's done that, and so it's Porzingis.
And then offensively he's brilliant at times.

Speaker 2 (01:20:47):
Yeah, I mean, so we're gonna we're gonna see one
if he plays, if he doesn't play, at least based
on what we've seen with him not on the court,
this is a pretty even serious yeah, and that could
favor or the team that has less to lose, that
would be the Dallas Mavericks. All right, coming up by
the side, we celebrate this Father's Day with some stories. Well,

(01:21:08):
if your dad, you'll understand this is Fox Sports Sunday.

Speaker 4 (01:21:12):
I hope you're enjoying your Father's Day out there.

Speaker 2 (01:21:14):
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(01:21:35):
Paul Morosi, it's gonna be joining us coming up here
in about twenty minutes. Our Fox Sports Radio MLB Insider
also talk about Edmonton. You know the NBA finals in
the Stanley Cup Final were on par You know the
favorite team won the first three games and all of
a sudden game four blowouts. Yeah, to stay alive, I

(01:21:56):
mean Edmonton just blowing out Florida eight to one. Stay
alive in the Stanley Cup Final. Do they have a
chance of having a miracle run again? The difference in
the NHL versus the NBA. In no playoff series ever
has an NBA team been down three to ozh and
won the series. But in the NHL, I believe it's

(01:22:16):
happened at least four times in a playoff series. I
remember the twenty fourteen LA Kings covered that one. They
were down in the opening round three games to none
of the San Jose Sharks came back to not only
when that series they ended up winning the Stanley Cups.
So we'll have John Paul Morosi joining us. No, only
think about Father's Day, Rich, you know it's been now.

(01:22:39):
It's hard to believe six years since my dad passed away.
And my dad had a long life. He almost made
it to ninety. Like most father's son relationships, there was complications.
The one thing I never doubted though, is that he
was always my fan of mine. You know, he rooted
me on, and he was the one that insisted, much

(01:22:59):
to my mother's chagrin, to continue to pursue my obsession
about sports. My mom just kept thinking, when is he
going to grow out of this? Like this is you know,
I understand when you're seven and collecting baseball cards, but
at some point you had to grow out of this.
She finally came around on that. But some interesting things
have happened on Father's Day. One of my favorite Father's

(01:23:22):
Day stories involving sports involved a Hall of Fame pitcher
named Jim Bunning. He was a great pitcher in the
fifties and the sixties. He actually later became both a
congressman and a senator from the state of Kentucky. So
he had a long life. But he was the father
of nine kids.

Speaker 1 (01:23:41):
Jeez, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:23:42):
He and his wife had five daughters and four sons.
By the way, one way, they have a lot of grandchildren.
They had thirty five grandchildren.

Speaker 1 (01:23:50):
Oh my god, so do the mat.

Speaker 4 (01:23:52):
So they had nine children and thirty five grandchildren, Oh
my god.

Speaker 2 (01:24:00):
And actually lived long enough to see fourteen great grandchildren,
but just nine.

Speaker 1 (01:24:06):
By the way, the Bunnings, they weren't bunning. They were
hitting home runs exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:24:11):
I mean, you've got two boys, and I know you
got your hands fell I got three, you know, at nine,
nine and then thirty five grand I mean being tested
like on the names. Like you look at our buddy
Philip Rivers and they welcomed a tenth child.

Speaker 4 (01:24:26):
I believe right, Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:24:28):
That's correct.

Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
Yeah, and so think about how many grandchildren they're looking
at down the road.

Speaker 1 (01:24:32):
But anyway, forget about it.

Speaker 4 (01:24:34):
It was Father's Day nineteen sixty four.

Speaker 2 (01:24:37):
Jim Bunny was then pitching with the Philadelphia Phillies, and
he threw.

Speaker 4 (01:24:45):
A perfect game that day.

Speaker 1 (01:24:47):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (01:24:48):
In fact, you talk about the Don Larson perfect game
in the fifty six World Series, but for a regular
season game, it was the first perfect game over forty years.

Speaker 4 (01:25:01):
In Major League Baseball. I mean it just like never happened.

Speaker 2 (01:25:06):
And he threw it on of all days, Father's Day
when you're a father of nine.

Speaker 4 (01:25:14):
I mean that's sort of like destiny, right.

Speaker 1 (01:25:16):
Yeah, It's just like certain certain moments and sports are
like that.

Speaker 3 (01:25:20):
Obviously.

Speaker 1 (01:25:21):
There are so many stories like speaking fathers, the Brett
Favre game after his father had passed away, decided to play,
and you know, he smashed single game passing records for
the Green Bay Packers and he led them to an
unlikely victory. Like those things in sports, they just it

(01:25:42):
just definitely feels like sometimes there's something bigger at play
and it's hard to describe. And whether you believe in
something bigger or not, it's you get goosebumps thinking about
how it all ties together. But yeah, I mean, of
all days for the budding household to celebrate a game,
I mean that guy. Uh yeah, let's put it this way.

(01:26:04):
He was throwing strikes no matter what.

Speaker 2 (01:26:07):
Yes, by the way, is Rivers, did you ever talk
to Philip Rivers about why?

Speaker 4 (01:26:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:26:14):
They so. Him and his wife Tiff both grew up
in uh in in in Alabama. Uh and they was
small town.

Speaker 3 (01:26:25):
You know what I mean, like ye and and.

Speaker 2 (01:26:27):
Not every person from a small town in Alabama's got
ten kids.

Speaker 3 (01:26:31):
No, no, no, they don't. They don't.

Speaker 1 (01:26:34):
But but like the they The reason why I bring
this up is there's there was a lot of land
and he came from I think a relatively big family
or she did, I forget which one, and uh, And
the thought process was, at some point, we're going to
move back home, and we're going to move back home
with a whole bunch of kids, and we're going to
have a big old house and we're going to fill

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it with children.

Speaker 3 (01:26:57):
And it was just always their plan, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:27:00):
And they and he loves like not only being a dad,
but he also loves watching the older ones start to
fill into the role of like looking after the younger
ones too.

Speaker 3 (01:27:10):
And so they got.

Speaker 1 (01:27:12):
On this this crazy ride and they still haven't gotten
off of it. And the crazy thing about it is,
I remember one time, phil I mean, because yet you
wrap your head around this when he says it. But Philip,
we were talking about how Annie and Tiffany they were
pregnant at the same time I was having my first kid,
or Annie was having our first kid. She was I
don't know at the time, during the fall, maybe four

(01:27:35):
or five months pregnant, but she was showing, and we
may have had something where recently we all saw each
other together.

Speaker 3 (01:27:41):
The wives were out with us, and.

Speaker 1 (01:27:43):
He's like, gosh, He's like, don't they when they're pregnant,
don't they just look so cute? Is this something about him?
Like he's and I'm like, yeah, yeah. I was like,
there's no question the pregnancy glow. It's not just a thing.
They say, it's true. And then he goes, yeah, I
was telling Tiffany, He's like, we got home from the thing,
and I was saying, you know, God, God, Donna, Yeah, yeah,
if you know, you're just so beautiful, I mean as

(01:28:05):
a pregnant woman or when you're not pregnant, just you're beautiful.
And she goes, well, Philip, I really hope you think
I'm beautiful and I'm pregnant because I've been pregnant more
than I haven't been since you met me. So there's that.

Speaker 2 (01:28:18):
Well, uh, they're their latest was a boy. So now
he has seven girls and three.

Speaker 1 (01:28:24):
Boys starting to bounce out the skills. Maybe they try
for a fourth boy.

Speaker 4 (01:28:29):
See, this was this the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (01:28:30):
We had the two boys, and then you know, Denise
desperately wanted to die. I would have loved to have
a daughter as well, but every said, you have two boys,
you're not gonna have a girl. Sorry, I mean you
got the you got the boy thing going here, and uh,
you know, long story short, we used, with the help
of a friend of ours, the Chinese calendar based on
the mother's birthday and the month of conception.

Speaker 4 (01:28:52):
Maybe a better shot, right, and then and then it worked.

Speaker 2 (01:28:55):
And then as soon as my daughter was born, immediately
Denise's say, well, we got to even it up now, right,
And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no no, this is look two for one here. I'm
out of the baby making business. Okay, I'm done with that.

Speaker 3 (01:29:09):
I've said it a couple of times the way, and
he says it to me.

Speaker 1 (01:29:12):
I said it a couple of times, like, gosh, you
know what, do you ever just look at the house
and think, maybe just one more maybe will try for
the girl and she'll go shops closed.

Speaker 4 (01:29:20):
I wait, well, now, Rich, I'm gonna do some math ras.

Speaker 2 (01:29:23):
So when I went you're now thirty eight years old, yeah, yeah,
And I was forty two and a.

Speaker 4 (01:29:29):
Half when Paris was born oh boy, yeah, so yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:29:33):
And I remember when she was born thinking to myself, like,
I'm doing the math in my head, right, like I'm
gonna be like sixty when she graduates high school. And
so there I was at her high school graduation. I'm like, damn,
I'm sixty. Actually I'm almost sixty one. Yeah, It's like, man,
what happens.

Speaker 4 (01:29:52):
That I always go back and I've said this to you.

Speaker 2 (01:29:56):
You've heard this a million times, but all bears repeating
of all people. Earl Hersheizer, that's right. Yeah, so Earl Hirsheiser,
who's the exact same age as I am, same year,
born the same year. And obviously I first got to
know him when he was pitching with the Dodgers. It
was right at the end of his career's pitching with
the Mets. I don't know how we got anybody out.
You talk about a guy that was literally thinking guys out,

(01:30:20):
throwing nothing, nothing on his pitching. In fact, Mike Piazza
was catching for the Mets of the time. I asked him,
I said, how does he get anybody out?

Speaker 1 (01:30:27):
He goes?

Speaker 4 (01:30:28):
I have no idea. He goes, he goes, he goes.

Speaker 2 (01:30:31):
There are actually times when I will say to the hitter,
like how did you not hit that? Like if the
ball was over the plate, it was gonna go like
five hundred feet. But anyway, so we got into this.
I had the two boys. My daughter hadn't been born yet,
but I got these two little boys, and we got
into the conversation. His kids are already a little bit older.
But he said the line that's stuck with me forever.

(01:30:53):
He said, when you have kids, the days are long,
but the years are short. Yep, And you realize, like
when you bring home that first child, like there's no
return but thing on this like that, like he's he
or she's going to be there forever, like he is
just and every day is a full from the opening
bell to the closing bell, there is no letup.

Speaker 1 (01:31:14):
Well, I will will tell you my story with Ty,
my oldest eight years old. Now, back in twenty fourteen,
he was born, and he was born in June, so
we're in the off season, and that December prior, so
it was December. I guess it was December. No, No,
he was June of twenty fifteen. So that December of

(01:31:38):
twenty fourteen I had back surgery. So I'm recovering from
the back surgery. It ended my season in twenty fourteen.
I'd been playing six years at that point, and I
meet this kid six months later, and all of a sudden,
everything falls away. It's almost like you have that moment
where you're like, oh, boy, like this is it.

Speaker 3 (01:31:59):
This is I mean, I said it for years.

Speaker 1 (01:32:01):
All I want to be is a good dad, And
now here's your opportunity to be a good dad. And
you don't even know the first thing about being a
father because nobody can teach you. You have to sort
of just live it and do it and try to
figure it out on the run. And so my wife,
you know, she's going through all the things after you deliver.
And now I'm a dad and we're going through this offseason.
I'm staying in shape, I'm training, and I'm doing the

(01:32:22):
whole thing. But I'm an unsigned free agent. I got
six years under my belt, so that's I'm getting long
in the tooth. Plus I have a huge injury history.
I've finished my career more times on the ir than
i've finished healthy in terms of seasons I played. So
nobody wants me. Nobody wants me. I get a call
from the Bills. Rex Ryan was a head coach at

(01:32:43):
the time. I fly in there the practice I show
up for because they need an offensive lineman. But all
of a sudden, four defensive backs go down with injury
that practice. They don't have room on the roster to
sign an offensive lineman. They need to refill at defensive back.
And it's the first time I remember, all of a
sudden something being more important to me than football. They

(01:33:04):
sent me home and I couldn't wait to get back
home to my son. And that was crazy, because I'm
telling you, it was like I fell in love with
this sport, but then I met something that was more
important than any of that. I mean, I'm talking like
I've had this conversation with my wife, Like you know,
before I met my wife, I fell in love with football,

(01:33:25):
and I mean like it was it was, I mean,
something that made everything make sense in my life. It
saved me in a lot of ways.

Speaker 3 (01:33:32):
So like football was very important to me.

Speaker 1 (01:33:34):
So I'm thinking to myself, like gosh, like I didn't
even really want us. I'm not bummed out that they
didn't sign me, Like I want to get back home
to my kid. And then I get another phone call
the Pittsburgh Steelers need a center. Somebody got hurt, so
they fly out me and actually another guy who I know,
Doug Legursky, was a backup center with the Steelers in
the past.

Speaker 3 (01:33:54):
It's a two man workout for the position.

Speaker 1 (01:33:56):
They're gonna sign one of us, stand up signing Doug Legurski,
and I was like, I was like, thank god, you know,
because I just want to get back home to my kid.
And so I fly back home to San Diego and
she goes, oh, how is Doug. I'm like, gull, He's good.
You know, we know his wife too, and I stayed
the night at the Lagurski's house. I mean, it was
It was funny that it was a competition because you know,
I still give him a hug on the way leaving it.

(01:34:18):
So anyways, I fly back to San Diego and I'm
loving life as a dad. The football season starts. I'm
praying that my phone doesn't ring because it's gonna take
me away from all this. And finally my phone does
ring and it's Detroit calling. They're having an zero to
eight season in twenty fifteen. They're terrible, and so I'm like,

(01:34:38):
oh my god, Detroit's gonna sign me, like because they
need something to help their season out. So I figured
there's no doubt if they're calling me, it's to sign me.
So I said to Anna, I'm like, listen, I think
you guys ought to stay here. I'll just finish out
this season in Detroit. Now, just come straight home and
you know, we'll stay in San diego'll we'll re sign

(01:34:59):
our lease whatever it is that we're.

Speaker 3 (01:35:01):
So I leave for this this flight.

Speaker 1 (01:35:03):
To Detroit with a pit in my stomach, and all
of a sudden, I realize when I get there, they
have like eight or nine guys who they're trying out
for a variety of different positions. You know, they got
defensive lineman, linebackers, tight ends. I'm one of two offensive linemen.
They got two quarterbacks that they're trying out. I realized
while I was there. I'm like, oh, they're not signing

(01:35:23):
any of us. They're just doing a cattle call to
scare this roster into playing better. So we flew in
on a Tuesday, and you know, there were some of
the current Detroit Lion players milling about. You know, they're
going through their workout during a day off, and they're
they're eyeing us up like, oh gosh, like these guys
are here to take our jobs.

Speaker 3 (01:35:42):
Not a single one of us got.

Speaker 1 (01:35:43):
Signed, and I breathed this sigh of relief over a
bourbon and a steak at the hotel they were putting
us up at in Detroit. And I've had all these
injuries and my knees are shot, my back is just
barely hanging on after the surgery. I'm just gonna try
to force my way through this season to get one
more year on my pension. And I remember making the

(01:36:06):
decision right there. You know what I want to do.
I want to be a dad. I want to be
a healthy father. I want to be able to play
driveway basketball with my kid. I want to be able
to run around in the backyard or chase him around
on the beach. I don't want to be that guy
who's a limping around everywhere. And so it was that
very night I called up my wife. I said, she

(01:36:27):
goes how to go? I said, they're not going to
sign me. I said, I describe the workout to her,
and I was like, I think they were just putting
on a show. And I told her, you.

Speaker 3 (01:36:35):
Know, listen, I'm done.

Speaker 1 (01:36:37):
I don't want to do this anymore, and she goes,
I know, and that was the That was the decision.
I went home and I started my life as a father,
and eight years later, with two boys, I couldn't be happier.
And so I know there's a lot of dads out
there who have their fatherhood story and that's mine. And

(01:36:58):
so happy Father's Day to everybody out there, because it
is the best, hardest, most completely life changing job you'll
ever enjoy. I know.

Speaker 2 (01:37:09):
She also asked you, like, well, what do you want
to do now? Like, look, it's been my lifelong dream
to work with Steve Hartman.

Speaker 4 (01:37:15):
On the radio.

Speaker 2 (01:37:16):
All right, coming up on the other side, great stories
as always, John Bob, a Rosie or MLB insider joins us.
This is Fox Sports Sunday, Steve Harbin and Rich Rnberger
here on this Father's Day Sunday. Once again, we are
live from the tai Iraq dot Com studios.

Speaker 4 (01:37:36):
Keep an eye on the US Open right now.

Speaker 2 (01:37:38):
Bryson Deshamba now has a one shot lead over Rory
McElroy as.

Speaker 4 (01:37:45):
They're going to be heading to the back nine.

Speaker 2 (01:37:47):
So yeah, it's tight right now on this Father's Day
at the US Open, joining us right now is a
man that also is a father extraordinary. Can't wait to
find out how he's enjoying his day. He, of course,
is our Fox Sports Radio MLB insider, NHL insider, the
great John Paul Morosi.

Speaker 4 (01:38:06):
So, JP, how are you and join your Father's day?

Speaker 14 (01:38:10):
Well, first, happy Father's Day to both of you. We
are having a great Father's Day here in the great
state of Michigan. We're actually up north as a family.
I'm looking out at beautiful Lake Michigan as we speak,
So could not ask for a better place or better
people to celebrate with. So thank you for the wishes.
I wish all the same to you and all the
dads out there, all the families out there as well.

Speaker 2 (01:38:31):
All right, let me jump in as I always do.
Rich you know this with my NHL talk. So it's
amazing the parallels between the NBA Finals and the Stanley
Cup Final in the sense that you know, one team's
down three to zero and then an absolute blowout in
game four. I have made the accusation because I know
it's true that the Celtics mailed this one in so

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they can, you know, win the championship at home. How
exactly you explain the Panthers going belly up eight to
one in Game four against Edmonton.

Speaker 14 (01:39:05):
Edmonton was a more desperate team, and they've always had
plenty of talent. They didn't really show up in terms
of the score sheet in the first three games of
this series. That's what I saw in that game last night,
just at the ability now for Edmonton to regroup. They
had to be the more desperate team. They were at home.
They did not want to have the Cup awarded in

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their building to their opponents, the Florida Panthers, and so
I think we just saw a much more determined effort
for Edmonton, and they've always had plenty of skill. Now
the question comes, Okay, it's three to one. Game five
is in Florida. If the Oilers win this game, then
we've got a series. Then it's three to two going

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back to Edmonton, and it's an entirely different conversation. But
for right now, for right now, I think it is
all about this Game five coming up. You know Florida
is going to be more dialed in. But the one
thing about is it so much predicated on goaltending and
when you give up that many goals. But Brovsky has
not been knocked off as pedestal like that in a

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long time, and so we don't know in general terms.
In general terms, I would say that there's a better
chance of a dramatic series or reversal in hockey than
there is in basketball right now, just based on what
we've seen in the past, and there have been series,
even those in recent membering in the playoffs that go
from three to nothing to four to three the other way.

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In ice hockey, it happens. It doesn't happen very often,
but it does happen. So I do think the Game five,
for all those reasons, will be very, very interesting. The
pressure is going to be on Florida, and Florida's gonna
have to find a way to take that pressure and
create some urgency of their own, because Edmonton's gonna basically say, hey,
keep the foot down on the accelerator just like we

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had in Game four and have that same effort on
the road in Game five. We will see what unfolds
on Tuesday night in South Florida.

Speaker 1 (01:41:01):
So we have the final game of the three gamer
against Boston for the Yankees. Now, obviously a long time
rivalry between these two Al East teams, This is oddly
the first time they face each other this season, so
many more to come.

Speaker 3 (01:41:17):
Just a quick question on the health of that rivalry.

Speaker 1 (01:41:20):
Do you feel like it's still the biggest rivalry in
baseball or has it been usurped in some ways by
some of the other regional rivalries that have garnered more
national interests recently.

Speaker 14 (01:41:35):
That's a great question. I first of all, I do
not think that it's as intense as it used to be.
I graduated from college in Boston twenty years ago, and
it felt like every time those two teams played, it
was Michigan Ohio State football eighteen times a year, plus
the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (01:41:54):
Yep.

Speaker 14 (01:41:55):
And when they met in back to back alcs is,
it was eighteen regular season games plus seven in the
playoffs twenty five and twenty five. And I believe I'd
have to go back and look at the exact numbers.
I think that at the end that of those two years,
three to four, both of which went to seven games
in the LCS. Of course, New York won and O
three the Red Sox historically win and four. I think

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at the end of those matchups it was basically fifty
to fifty on the wins like it was evenly divided,
as close as you're ever going to find it.

Speaker 1 (01:42:27):
It just meant so much.

Speaker 14 (01:42:28):
It meant so much because losing to the Yankees was
such a central part of the New England identity for generations.
And now it's just not They've had a lot of
success and it's no longer this boogeyman that they were
so afraid of, or where they felt like there was
this New England fatalism always lurking on the other side

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of every pitch. It's different now that they've won their championships,
fundamentally different mindset. There's a generation of kids growing up
there who have only known winning. It's excusing to say
because it was not that just twenty years ago. So
I do think it's different, and I think, honestly, Rich
it's a good question. I think we're moving into more
of a time and I think it's healthy by the way,

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to where we are not necessarily bound by a specific
geographic rivalry or even a division rivalry or a league rivalry.
The biggest regular season series to date this year was
interleague Yankees Dodgers, and and so I think that we're
talking about in that case, what made it a rivalry. Well,

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it wasn't decades, And certainly it goes back to New
York and Brooklyn and they played series together, even some
La La and Yankees world series back, you know, going
back forty years. But it's it's more the constellation of stars.
I think that gets back to whoever thought if you'd
said to somebody twenty five years ago that for a

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period of time that the NBA focus would beyond teams
from Golden State and Oklahoma City, it would have said
what I think that For me, I'm okay with it
being with it not being all about the Red Sox Yankees.
I think that the Phillies and Braves, that's a great rivalry.
The Yankees and Orioles right now are a great rivalry.
The Raives honestly for a period of time. They seem

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to really have some strong antipathy when they played Boston
and New York at different times in the last ten years.
So it's the center of gravity is no longer Red
Sox Yankees. But I think that's actually a good thing.
And so I make this statement to all the other
teams and fan bases, Hey, give us a good robbery,
we'll talk about it. Get your team in the conversations

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where you're playing big time playoff games. Those Phillies Braves
series in the playoffs are a lot of fun, and
so I think those types of matchups to me right
now are more President President in my mind right now,
honestly than Red Sock Yankees.

Speaker 2 (01:44:47):
All Right, you have to explain to me what happened
to Jose Abraill. This guy was the model of consistency
for nine years with the White Sox. A year ago,
he goes to the Astros, didn't have a great regular season,
but hit the extremely well in the postseason.

Speaker 4 (01:45:02):
So you're like, all right, he's going to get back
on track.

Speaker 2 (01:45:05):
Thirty five games, one twenty four batting average, three sixty
one ops.

Speaker 4 (01:45:10):
They flat out release them and eat contract.

Speaker 2 (01:45:14):
I mean, we've talked about the Steve Blast syndrome for
pictures of pitchers that have completely suddenly fallen off the map.
I don't know if I've ever seen this dramatic of
a fall for an elite hitter in a single season
as we saw with Jose Abrey.

Speaker 4 (01:45:29):
What happened?

Speaker 14 (01:45:31):
It's a great question. I think that there is certainly
the game catching up with him a little bit at
thirty seven years of age. I'll be clear, not every
thirty seven year old struggles like this. Clearly there are
very productive thirty seven, thirty eight, thirty nine year old
players in MLB, and we've seen it in recent years,
look at David Ortiz among others. But this was as

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precipitous of a fall as I can ever recall seeing
from a multiple time All Star, former MVP. I believe
there was both a physical and mental component to this,
as most slumps are. I think when you're talking about
elite athletes, where he just simply lost his ZWN, lost
his ability to execute. And I think it's going to

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be up to him if he wants to give this
another go. Does he try to sign somewhere else where
he's comfortable with a hitting coach or a guru of
sorts that he wants to connect with, Because to your point,
he was still a decent hitter in the major leagues
last year, and sometimes it happens this quickly.

Speaker 1 (01:46:31):
It's rare that it would.

Speaker 14 (01:46:33):
But he clearly was not able to make adjustment. And
I give credit to the Astros for two reasons. Number One,
they at one point in time option him down to
the lowest levels of the minor leagues. Just get him
back and get him some swings and try to really
deconstruct a swing and build it back. So they tried,
and then once it became clear that he wasn't able
to help them, they.

Speaker 1 (01:46:54):
Made a move.

Speaker 14 (01:46:55):
And when you're a major League baseball team, I don't
care if if and I don't think the two teams
are here with these players yet, but I don't care
if it's George Springer with the Blue Jays, if it's
Hobby Bias with the Tigers. Once you sign the contract,
the money is sunk. And at some point, if you're
competing for something, you need to put your best team.

Speaker 1 (01:47:16):
On the field.

Speaker 14 (01:47:17):
And I'll never forget Jim Leelm. You would always say this,
The players are smart. And if I put a roster
out there that's not the best twenty five in those days,
now it's twenty six. If I put a roster out
there that's not my best, those guys will know it,
and it hurts my credibility and it hurts my ability
to lead. I've never forgotten that. And so yes, do

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you give guys who have big contracts a little more leeway?
Of course you do. That's just the reality of the
human experience in business. But there does come a point
where if someone else is out performing him and you're
blocking him from playing time because of a contract, that
doesn't work. And I think that we're we're seeing the
Astros make the right decision, and I just hope that

(01:47:59):
Jose he finds his way back to the big leagues
because he's been a very respected player for a long
period of time.

Speaker 2 (01:48:04):
Well, JP, wishing you a very happy remainder to your
Father's Day today. We always appreciate your time. Enjoy the
celebration with your family. I know your kids have gone
way beyond our kids in terms of recognizing the job
you've done. I'm just kidding. Our kids have done a
great job today. We've been very fortunate ourselves. But enjoy

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the rest of your Father's Day, JP.

Speaker 14 (01:48:29):
I appreciate it, guys. It's the greatest blessing in life
to be a dad. I appreciate it. Same to it
to both of you. And yes, I appreciate that our
families do a great job of reminding us of what's
really important life. Yes, sports are great, we love sports,
but family's more important everybody, So we're all hopefully we
can all enjoy that here today.

Speaker 2 (01:48:46):
We'll talk to you next week. Thanks JP. All about
John Paul Morosi. All right, let's find out what is
trending right now on this Father's Day. And I'm watching
this US Open and it's getting really interesting.

Speaker 10 (01:49:00):
It is.

Speaker 11 (01:49:01):
We now have a two way tie at the top
of the leader board between Bryson Deshambo and Rory McElroy,
both six hunder part overall. Rory is two hunderd through
ten holes for the day while Deshambo is one over
through nine holes. And guess what Patrick can'tley right now
is just one shot back. So very interesting on this
Father's Day. In Major League Baseball, Manny Machado was ejected

(01:49:22):
in the Padres game against the Mets of New York.
He disagreed on a third called strike. He slammed his
back was ejected, but he kind of gave the Padres
some life and they have now added some more runs,
but the Mets are still on top. It is eight
to six bottom of the eighth inning.

Speaker 10 (01:49:36):
Again in New York.

Speaker 11 (01:49:37):
The Brewers are slightly on top of the Reds five
to four bottom of the eighth inning. The Twins have
added some more runs. They're beating the a six to
one in game one of their double header. It's the
top of the ninth inning. The Pirates have added some
more runs. They're blanking the Rockies three zero, top at
the six. The Angels added another one. They're blanking the
Giants to zero bottom of the second inning, and the
Diamondbacks are blanking the White Sox at home three zero

(01:49:58):
bottom of the second inning. Royals and Dodger scoreless bottom
of the second, just like the Rangers. In the Mariners
games that have ended, the Rays outscored.

Speaker 10 (01:50:05):
The Braves eight six.

Speaker 11 (01:50:06):
Hose Siri had to go ahead to run homer in
the ninth inning for Tampa Bay. The Cardinals edged the
Cubs two to one, the Nationals defeated the Marlins three
to one, and the Astros had a four to one
victory over the Tigers. Houston pitcher Ronel Blanco seven innings,
pitched no hits, and then they took him out. What
they took him out, I know, very very frustrating. They

(01:50:30):
used two more pitchers, one for the eighth and one
for the ninth inning. Hossel Tuova three run homer. I know,
I was hoping. I was hoping they were going to
send him back out there.

Speaker 10 (01:50:38):
And he didn't even he hadn't even reached one hundred pitches.
It's annoying, don't I know? It's so annoying.

Speaker 11 (01:50:44):
The Orioles beat the Phillies eight three, four homers for
Baltimore in the game, but Philly is expected to have
Trey Turner back Monday after missing the last six weeks
with the left hamstring string, and the Blue Jays held
on to defeat the Guardian seven to six. In soccer
at Euro twenty twenty four, England still beating Serbia one nil,
reaching the seventy eighth minute. Earlier today, Netherlands defeated Poland

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two to one, and Denmark and Slovenia ended in a
one to one draw.

Speaker 10 (01:51:10):
Today's feel good story in sports.

Speaker 11 (01:51:12):
Denmark's Christian Erickson scored that goal in the seventeenth minute,
three years after he suffered cardiac arrests on the pitch.

Speaker 10 (01:51:19):
If you guys remember that.

Speaker 4 (01:51:20):
That's I do remember that. Yeah, unbelievable story.

Speaker 10 (01:51:22):
Unbelievable story.

Speaker 11 (01:51:23):
So that's the good field story in sports today. In
the w NBA, we do have some games going on.
Earlier today, the Fever beat the Sky ninety one to
eighty three, Kaitlin Clark twenty three points, eight rebounds of
nine assists. Right now, it's the Sparks beating the Dream
sixty one fifty eight, one minute to go in the
third quarter, Mercury on top of the Storm, seventy two
to sixty six minutes left in the game, and the
last one Men's College World Series Florida State beating Virginia

(01:51:49):
seven to two, top of the eighth inning.

Speaker 10 (01:51:52):
It's a busy day.

Speaker 1 (01:51:53):
Busy day.

Speaker 4 (01:51:53):
It is a very busy.

Speaker 2 (01:51:55):
Day, and Father's Day, and it's Fathers.

Speaker 11 (01:51:58):
Day to both of you and to my dad and
everybody out there and both and everybody.

Speaker 10 (01:52:02):
Hope you guys all have a nice stay. And it
was a pleasure.

Speaker 2 (01:52:05):
Thank you, mon jeez, very generous. I can't wait to
apply my daily face lotion. Yeah, because I have a
long drive.

Speaker 10 (01:52:14):
Have a long drive and some dry desert heat.

Speaker 2 (01:52:18):
Yes it is, that's right, it's by the way, So
thank you, MONSI so rich. You know it's no secret
now that I'm in the Phoenix area.

Speaker 4 (01:52:28):
So my kids.

Speaker 2 (01:52:30):
Flew out, all three of them on Thursday to join
me and see where I'm hanging out these days, and
took them to the Diamondbacks game against the Angels.

Speaker 4 (01:52:44):
It was a good knight for the Diamondbacks. They won
eleven to one.

Speaker 2 (01:52:46):
Christian Walker he had two home runs and Jack Peterson
hit a grand Slam. So Angels are just pathetic. I
mean it was it was bad. So here here was
the real kicker. So we left. Chase Field walked out
and you know, of course it's a dome, so you
don't have to worry about the heat. Well, we walked outside.
It was nine to thirty in the evening and it

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was ninety six degrees.

Speaker 4 (01:53:12):
And I love it because it's like, well it's a
dry heat. It's dry.

Speaker 2 (01:53:16):
I mean like we're talking like three percent humidity, Like
there's zero humidity.

Speaker 4 (01:53:21):
It's like a furnace heat.

Speaker 1 (01:53:23):
I so I remembered with the Cardinals. I played with
the Cardinals for a season in twenty twelve, and when
I landed, I landed at night. I was going to
spend the night in Phoenix and then they were gonna
drive me up to Flagstaff the next afternoon because I
had to do all the medical stuff prior to going
up to training camp. They signed me right at training

(01:53:45):
camp open around August or maybe it was August first. Anyways,
so we land and it's it's an evening flight, so
I probably land just before sunset, and I'm like, oh
my god, it.

Speaker 3 (01:53:56):
Is oppressively hot outside.

Speaker 1 (01:53:59):
I'm gonna go into the hotel, get settled in for
the night, and then I'll go out and I'll get
a burger or something, you know later on. So I
saw there was an in and out burger across street.
I'm like, perfect, that's where I'm heading. So I'm making
a couple of phone calls, and before i know.

Speaker 3 (01:54:13):
It, it's like nine thirty at night.

Speaker 1 (01:54:15):
So I'm like, jeez, I better get heading out to this,
you know, get dinner otherwise I'm not gonna'm gonna miss
my opportunity here. So my phone rings again, and so
I answer a quick call. But now it's like it's
like ten to ten. So around the same time you're
talking about, like it's almost ten o'clock at night, I'm
walking out of the front lobby of this hotel and

(01:54:37):
I get hit with what I can only describe as
the same heat you would experience opening up an oven
to bake cookies, Like you get that wave of heat
that hits you. And so I let the sliding of
the sliding doors close in front of me, and I
walk over to the lobby, the front desk, checking lady,
and I go, hey, how hot is it outside? And
she points over to the monitor in the lobby that's

(01:55:00):
shows the current temperature. It was one hundred and eleven degrees. Yeah,
at ten o'clock at night. Nice. I just decided, you
know what, I don't I'm not having dinner tonight. I'm
just gonna go.

Speaker 4 (01:55:11):
You know what changed for me?

Speaker 3 (01:55:12):
Honestly?

Speaker 2 (01:55:13):
I am not a water guy. Yeah, I just you
know the idea of water. I mean, I'm drinking. It's
got to be it's gotta have something to it. I
become fanatical water drinker now all of a said, it
really tastes good when it's one hundred and ten degrees outside,
no question about that.

Speaker 4 (01:55:30):
All right, Well kind of week it's gonna be?

Speaker 2 (01:55:32):
Hey, we got we got this incredible finish coming up
at the US Open. It's either gonna be Deshamba McElroy
or can't like one of those three guys is gonna
win this US Open. What kind of week do we
have looking ahead? What are our predictions as far as
the NBA Finals are concerned.

Speaker 4 (01:55:47):
We'll tell you. This is Fox Sports Sunday.

Speaker 2 (01:55:50):
Steve Harbin and Rich Harberger Here Fox Sports Sunday on
this Father's Day. We're live from the tai Iraq dot
Com Studios. Want to thank the best crew around Moncey
Belanos doing the job, updating us, bringing gifts, feeding us,
literally does everything here.

Speaker 1 (01:56:09):
Yep, yep, Chris, of course.

Speaker 4 (01:56:12):
Well, he is a perfetation on the board.

Speaker 2 (01:56:17):
A wow, that is now, I mean, that is so,
it's such I've never used it personally.

Speaker 4 (01:56:24):
I'm sure he's heard that a million time.

Speaker 5 (01:56:26):
Oh yeah, yeah, Eddie's Eddie's Eddie Garcia or old friend
Eddie Garcia's.

Speaker 1 (01:56:32):
On the board.

Speaker 4 (01:56:33):
I just think you did that once.

Speaker 5 (01:56:34):
First father's they I've had without either of my grandfather's,
so it's kind of a tough.

Speaker 1 (01:56:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:56:39):
Well, they're always with her, you know, they.

Speaker 2 (01:56:41):
Are believe me as someone that has lost all the
dads in my life. This is what happens you get
to a certain point. Yeah, it's they never believe me.
And then there's both of course, celebrating fathers. How many
Fathers days is this for you?

Speaker 1 (01:56:55):
Now?

Speaker 4 (01:56:55):
This is too too? Yes, so you're a veteran now
not old rookie, a veteran. That's right. A father's day.

Speaker 2 (01:57:03):
Well, all the best to ever everyone out there, all
the dads out there. By the way, what did you
make of Charles Barkley announcing that he is retiring from television?
As you know, TNT is about to lose the NBA contract.
They got one more year, and he says, I'm not

(01:57:24):
going anywhere after that. I am retiring completely from television
after twenty five years. I'm looking forward to playing a
lot more golf and a lot more fishing.

Speaker 3 (01:57:35):
Do you believe that?

Speaker 1 (01:57:36):
I don't believe it. I feel like I feel like
Charles Barkley will be back. I think of him like
I think of a lot of entertainers, and really he's
transitioned from being a great basketball to being a great entertainer.

Speaker 3 (01:57:52):
It's a performance based industry.

Speaker 4 (01:57:54):
Yeah, he's waiting for a bigger offerer. I mean he is.

Speaker 2 (01:57:57):
I've said this, Howard Kosell, John Madden, Charles Barkley, And
there's a very short list of analysts who actually are
bigger than the games.

Speaker 1 (01:58:11):
I mean, you could, I guess you could probably show
throw Shack's name in that.

Speaker 2 (01:58:16):
I don't put Shack in the same I mean, I
love Shack, he's a great pitch man. But no, I
what Barkley says is of interest to people.

Speaker 3 (01:58:26):
That's a good point. That's a good point. A Shack
is everyone's favorite neighbor.

Speaker 4 (01:58:31):
Everyone loves Shack.

Speaker 1 (01:58:32):
But but Charles Barkley, he actually does say some stirring
and interest.

Speaker 4 (01:58:38):
You want to know what he has to say.

Speaker 3 (01:58:41):
And sometimes controversial things.

Speaker 1 (01:58:43):
And by the way, whether you love what he's saying
at all times or you vehemently disagree, he's engaging.

Speaker 4 (01:58:51):
Oh, no question.

Speaker 1 (01:58:52):
And so I agree with you. I think he's a
smart guy. I think he's a great broadcaster. I think
he was a great player, and I think he's lived
and existed in a performance space industry for so long.
I don't think he's gonna be able to just quit
a cold turkey. I agree with what you just said.
I think this is I think he deserves a break,
And if that's exactly what he's doing, then he should

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feel proud of himself for getting to a point in
his life where he doesn't have to worry about money
anymore and just can kick his feet up for a
little bit. But I promise you if somebody offers him
what he feels he's worth to do something that he
feels interested in. We'll see him back in front of
a camera.

Speaker 2 (01:59:31):
I take it from someone that is like Charles in
terms of liking the sound of his own voice. If
you like to hear what you have to say, which
Charles loves to hear what he has to say, then
you don't want to give that up. That's sort of
part of your life blood.

Speaker 4 (01:59:48):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:59:48):
That being said, let's talk about Game five of the
NBA Finals. Let's let's make a prediction right now, Rich
because you picked before the series Celtics him five. Yep,
so right now you are one hundred percent on target.
I actually predicted Celtics in seven. So the question is,

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when we sit here next Sunday, are we gonna be
looking back on a series that's been over for almost
a week, or is there a chance that we're actually
previewing Game seven.

Speaker 1 (02:00:22):
Listen, I'm not some amazing you know nails sports better,
but I've had this one dead to rights.

Speaker 3 (02:00:31):
I literally have called this every step of the way.

Speaker 1 (02:00:35):
Boston in five. Dallas is gonna win one of the
two at home, most likely the second one, you know,
because They're gonna face the sweep in front of their
fan base and they're not going to want to go
down like that, and then Boston will take them in
Game five in front of their home fans. I have
Boston in.

Speaker 2 (02:00:53):
Five, Wow, I would I'm gonna stay with my Boston
in seven.

Speaker 4 (02:00:57):
I don't know how it's gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (02:00:59):
The way to Shamba a second shot on number eleven,
he was in some bad stuff into the trap. We
got a big US Open final coming. Hey, folks, enjoy
the rest of your Father's Day out there and just
keep it right here. This is Fox Sports Radio