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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:02):
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busy day, very busy day, because we had a lot
of things to cover over a very short amount of time.
Jeff is back, and Jeff, I tell you what, I

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wanted to open the show today with something a little off,
and that was you know, you know me, Jeff, I'm
a big history buff when it comes to sports, and
the passing today of the Cobra Dave Parker sort of
hit home for me. For many of you listening out there,
you really don't know the name Dave Parker. It's a

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different generation. Seventies into the mid eighties. He passed away today.
It just goten elected to the Baseball Hall of Fame
by the Veterans Committee in December. Unfortunately, come he had
suffered from Parkinson's Jeff, I know since at least twenty twelve.
I interviewed him, I'm going to say probably about seven

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or eight years ago, and he was already struggling health wise,
but he was, you know, obviously very excited. He talked
about crying when he found out he got into the
Baseball Hall of Fame. He was a guy that had
so much talent. I mean when we use that overused
five tool player, and this guy really was a five
tool player. I mean he was a two time batting champion,

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was a huge guy, had power, He could run the bases.
He had a throwing arm second to none. I mean,
this guy famous for his throw at the All Star Game,
Believe in nineteen seventy nine, throwing out Brian Downey of
the Angels at home plate. I mean, this guy had everything,
and then he got derailed at the heigh of his
career with a cocaine addiction. And then he was able

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to clean up and revitalize his career, great years in
the mid eighties with the Reds, and then you know,
a very valuable member of the when they want a
World Series. So you know, I just wanted to throw
it out. They was a nice man. You know, I
thought for years he got screwed over by the Baseball
Hall of Fame joined the club. I mean, I get
so irate when it comes to the Baseball Hall of

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Fame and the exclusion of people like Barry Bonds and
Roger Clemens and Alex Rodriguez and Manny Ramirez and Sammy Sosa,
Mark Maguire. The list goes on and on and on.
But this guy was deserving. I'm just happy he lived
long enough to enjoy the moment to know that he
had indeed, rightfully so been elected to the Baseball Hall

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of Fame.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
Did he not make the Hall of Fame originally because
of the cocaine stuff? Because the Hall of Fame is
at least baseball feels very upity like that, yep, where
if you have any sort of problems that they don't deem,
you know, worthy of being a Hall of Famer, they
just won't vote you in. And it does frustrate me
about baseball a lot because I'm an avid baseball I'm

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watching my unfortunately my Giants just stink uh in Chicago today,
but I watch as much baseball as I can. And
Hall of Fame process always frustrated me because in my era,
my air was a steroid era, right which I grew
up in, and the way that they have decided to
basically scape goat Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens when every

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one of that era will tell you the best player
is Barry Bonds. Like the players do not care. They
because most of them I think we're on steroids. Do
But the point is, like they will tell you, to
a man, whoever you talk to, of that era, the
best player was Bury Bond, steroids or not. And then
we let in other players into the Hall of Fame

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who very clearly used performing the enhancing drugs. But they're
they they're likable, yes, And it's it's sad because you know,
if you mentioned and there are guys who have been
recently inducted to the Hall of Fame who played better
in their late thirties than their mid twenties, and but
we like them. They're on television right like and and

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it's like that's not the way it's supposed to go.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
Right.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
If you haven't, if you do not take peds, the
end of your career typically is worse than the beginning
of your career, at least the middle of your career,
right as you age outed in the stereod era, that
didn't happen, right, Guys were well into their mid thirties,
late thirties just hit it home run still and Baseball
of Fame just seems like it's if we like you
or not, now if you're talented. And now we're going
to the point where I think just too many guys

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are getting in. There's guys that get in. I'm like,
I don't. I watched you play.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
Did you ever think at what point of Scott Rowland's
career there's a future famer, I mean, Billy Wagner Hall
of Fame with an era postseason era of over ten.
I mean it just I mean, what has happened and
the frustration for me. You know, John Paul Morosi is
a dear front I love him, I love him, I

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love him, but he is a Baseball Hall of Fame voter,
and I got a hunt him because apparently the one
guy that's going to get in this year guaranteed is
Carlos Beltrn And I'm like, wait a second. So this
guy's last year with the Houston Astros, he recognized as
one of the main architects one of the biggest cheating
scandals correct in the history of Major League Baseball. But

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you're gonna let him in the Hall of Fame. And
you're saying that somehow those guys that you either deem
because Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens never tested positive for
ped use when they started testing, they were still playing.
Never tested positive. So guys you assumed use peds, but
you always talk about, well, those guys jeopardize the integrity

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of the game. And I'm like, you mean the integrity
of a sport that banned an entire race of people
for sixty years? Are you really worried about the integrity
of the history of baseball? What? What are we talking about?

Speaker 3 (05:41):
It's so funny you mentioned this, Steve, because this is
like the one baseball thing I'm super like, like, not
I don't pay attention, but that I'm very well versed
on because I'm Barry Bond's my favorite players that can't
have a Giants fan for those who aren't aware, as
we lose the White Sox today, he's a favorite player
as a kid, rights you know, kid or early adulthood.

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And so I've studied on this a lot because you know,
we we talk about what baseball did and did not do,
and they did not test for steroids, no, and so
there were no rule Well I think in the rule
book it said you couldn't use steroids, but they didn't

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test for it, Like they didn't care, right, I mean
it's a matter of did baseball care or not care.
They didn't care. I mean famously, Mark McGuire had steroids
andro in his locker. No one cared. Guys were getting huge,
they were hitting bombs, and the reason they were doing
that and letting it go was because of the strike, right,
and and then you to lockout. They needed to get
fans back into baseball. What better than nineteen ninety eight

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to have, you know, McGuire and Sosa. But you know,
Barry Bonds played well that year to white start taking steroids.
You had a great season. No one cared about him,
and baseball needed that. And the architect of that era,
but seelis in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
Yeah, by the way, and the manager name Tony LaRussa
who probably benefited more than any other from players that
use peds starting with Kensekoh, McGuire and everyone else, He's
in the Hall of Fame. The hypocrisy is so over
the top, and so like I said, the baseball the
baseball writers like to. I mean, take the sweeping bow

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to a man and a lady that say that theirs
is the best hall of fame, and I'm like, no,
yours is the worst. I mean, the Basketball Hall of
Fame doesn't even count to me because it's a mishmash
of whatever. But at least the.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
Pro Football Hall of Fame.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
Here's the thing, pro exactly. There is no NBA Hall
of Fame, but the Pro Football Hall of Fame. The
one thing I've known. I know well over half the
people currently on the committee. It's like forty eight people
on the committee. The one thing they are all told
before they sit down and decide on each year's class
and discuss the finalists that they've voted on to get

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to the final of fifteen is that they are to
be judge whether it's a player or coach, contributor purely
on what they did on the field. They're outside lives. No,
you know, we had this controversy with Jim Tyer. This
Hall of Fame should have been Hall of Fame Offensive Tackle.
The Chiefs back in their AFL days, obviously suffering from,

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you know, some kind of brain disorder. He murdered his
wife and murdered himself, and obviously a media was taken
out the ballot. Well, out of the blue, they put
him back on the ballot, and their children, obviously growing
adults now said that, you know, it was obvious our
father suffered from something very traumatic. Yeah, yeah, and they
still didn't vote him into the Hall.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
Yeah it's okay, Well, get I get that one. The
thing about the PO Football Hall of Fame, Steve is
every year when they announced the five, yeah, I think
another seven could be in of course, where baseball doesn't
feel that way. I'm like, oh, like, when you see
the ballot of a year in baseball, you're like, oh, like,
all right, I mean I like football every year in

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football maybeause I'm so close to sports. You look at
that list and I one of the Hall of Fame
voters sent out a text every year to me and
he asked me, like, who am I five? I think
he just does a consensus just to want to see
for h He's a media member too, and every year
I'm like, oh boy, it's hard who and baseball don't
feel that way. I don't feel that way about baseball
at all, where it's hard to pick the five Hall

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of Famer Now, of course, baseball is not a threshold
of five every years. You can't say five percent of
the vote. I believe in football it's just five.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
And well it's not even five anymore in football. So
what they did last year was because they had been
putting in five five, five, five plus whatever senior candidate
or contribute your coaching, last year they decided we need
to cut back. So what they did was instead of
cutting into a final five and then essentially voting in
all five, they cut it to a final seven. They
only voted in three out of the seven last year. Three.

Speaker 4 (09:52):
That was it.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
It was hard to get gates. It was Alan and Alan,
Jared Allen and one of my favorite people, Eric Allen.
And then they did the same thing. They had three
senior players, a coach, and a contributor. One of them
made it sterling sharp. Mike Holmgren did not get voted in.
You're like, how does Holger not get in?

Speaker 3 (10:09):
Right, They're very they're very selective on how they do that.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
I mean that that would have been. But as far
as Dave Parker's a concern, like I said, he was
during the late seventies, the best player in baseball, hands down.
There was no player that had more talent, had accomplished
more at a young age than he did. His career
got derailed in the early eighties. Pittsburgh let him go.
He ends up in Cincinnati, cleaned up his back at

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a couple of big years there, and then continue to
contribute late in his career as a DH and a
great guy passed today. But I'll tell you what he
he was very deserving and unhappy that he lived long
enough to enjoy being elected to the Hall of Fame,
all right, unlike Pete Rose. But that's the story for
another day, all right. So coming up on the other side,

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we're going to get some NFL news in. We got
a lot to talk about as always around the National
Football Our insider Adam Kaplan will join us. This is
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a listener of this program, you understand that the NFL
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a lot of things. We got Wimbledon starting this week.
I mean, we talk about some other subjects, but the

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NFL rules the world, and we're all over and this
guy keeps this informed on everything happened around the National
Football League. Our NFL insider, Adam Kaplan, is joinius right now. Adam,
I want to start off with the Justin Tucker situation. Sure,
so he has been adamant that all these accusations against

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them are one hundred percent false. But when given a choice,
he accepted a ten game suspension, he accepted it. So
he had choices. He accepted a ten game suspension. So
I have two followed questions to that, Why would a
guy who is adamant about his innocent accept any kind
of suspension? And will he actually get signed by any

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NFL team? Is struggles over the last couple of years,
I mean for years. Obviously, this guy was on a
path to the Hall of fame, no question, the most
accurate kicker, perhaps the greatest kicker in the history of
the National Football League. But if he does a good signed,
he obviously has to serve a ten game suspension. So
why would he agree to his suspension if he's one
hundred percent innocent and has he probably played his last

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game in the NFL.

Speaker 4 (13:11):
Yeah, I'd see the latter has got a very good
chance to be true. So this is my feeling in
this situation talking to some Ravens people going back six months,
I think there's really Honestly, if this had not happened,
I don't even think he would have been with the
teams to Steve. He really struggled last season. Now, was

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it because he knew there's some allegations coming? I can't answer.
I don't know that. I don't know. With kickers, you
never know what's on their mind. And if you've ever
gott to know special teams coaches over the years, I've
known a number of them. When guys' minds are not right,
there's it's really hard to be good at your job
despite being the best in NFL history. I mean, Tucker,

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there was a game I think I think it was
this Pittsburgh. There was a one game where he just
couldn't hit. He just was so off. I don't know,
I don't know what's happened to him, but he Then
you add the allegations he was not gonna be on
the football team this Now, there was a popular theory
that they would get they would hope that he would
retire so we could avoid all this. But he didn't.

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He wasn't going to retire. He still thinks he could play.
Everything I've heard would sug Jesse still wants to play.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
Now.

Speaker 4 (14:22):
I here's the thing, because what's what's going up against him,
and because he's not the kicker he once was. Now
if he was twenty seven, different story on the top
of his game, and then you have the accusations he's
not in charge of anything. Absolutely, I think he'd sign
with the team. When you're on the downside of your
career where the league thinks that then you have this
stuff going against you, good luck trying to get another job.

Speaker 3 (14:46):
Let's talk about this NFL collusion case.

Speaker 4 (14:50):
Yeah, please do man, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
Because I have I have lots of questions.

Speaker 4 (14:55):
Yeah, I love to get your opinion on as the
next player, Like, yeah, curious fun.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
For those who missed it. Basically, an arbitrator said that
the NFL told teams to basically ignore the Shawn Watson
contract with negotia with quarterbacks. That being said, the arbiter
also ruled against the NFLPA so, saying that he didn't
actually find anyone followed the advice explicitly followed the advice

(15:25):
of the suggestion. Yes, yeah, yes, So I don't know
where to begin. I guess it starts with like, duh,
I mean, I don't I'm not surprised. Is there any
further action to be taken here by Lamar Jackson or
Justin Herbert or Kyler Murray? So the quarterbacks that were

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signed right after Deshaun Watson.

Speaker 4 (15:49):
That's a great question, I from a legal standpoint, because
you're you're what you're trying to do is collusion is
so hard to prove. I've dealt with this term for
over twenty five years and sometimes it's come up and
the league always seems to win. And this one, by
the way, the management council, Just so folks know, because

(16:11):
this is really what it comes down to. So Jeff,
let me just add to what you were talking about.
The management Council has to approve every contract that comes through.
They get submitted every contract gets submitted to for language
to the NFL's management Council. They say yes this is
good or no it's not. The language isn't correct by
the way it's supposed to be done. So they're aware

(16:33):
of every single NFL contract. The NFLPA, by the way,
they're aware even when well before a contract is done,
particularly the major ones, agents are told will the NFLPA
would want to know, Okay, how's this going? Do you
need our help? Where you at with this? So both
sides kind of always know where a contract is going.

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Now you see the situation with Kyler Murray in the
story when Pablotry Got it and Mike Foullayer from NFL
from Pro Football Talk did a really cool video with them.
But basically you see Dean Spano's the owner of the Chargers,
of the principal owner of the Chargers, and Michael Bidwell

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talking about that contract about how it's getting done, and
then and then how about how about Spanos talking about, well, yeah,
this is going to affect our contract. Now they're exchanging information.
That's collusion is when you when you plan when you
scheme against somebody, they're just sharing information. That's kind of

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what the arbiter Jeff. I'm not saying I agree with it.
I'm just telling you that's what's my take when I read,
when I read actually the documents that are out there,
it's a strange situation. It just brings to the point
and I know what you're talking about. Is anyone surprised
that the NFL's Management Council, which approves contracts, strongly suggesting

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clubs don't do anything like Deshaun contracts Deshaun watsons Cutrick
of course not. Let me add one more thing, Steve,
as I throw it back to you in a minute. Yeah,
I was at that owner's meetings, okay in March of
twenty twenty two, to say that other clubs were absolutely
furious when I asked them for an opinion off the
record would be mildly put together that I mean, the

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foul language that they use. They couldn't believe that Jimmy
Haslm did this for a guy had accusations against him
like Deshaun Watson. And by the way, I'll throw one
more thing at you. If Deshaun Watson wanted to be
an Eagle. He would have been an Eagle. I mean,
I'm telling you the Eagles wanted him badly. Sometimes you're
very lucky at the transactions you don't make. I'll leave
it at that.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
Let me ask you about the future of the NFL
draft in relation to what we are seeing with nil
money being thrown around at the collegiate level and players transferring,
you know, for free agents every year where they can
you know, pick up an extra pay check. I mean,
you have a Georgia quarterback that has been i don't know,
pretty mediocre. He ends up going to Miami four million

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dollars reportedly is getting a deal there. Do you think
the NFL is going to adjust? I mean, they've gotten
this free minor league for all these years in college football,
and you know, they fought hard when there was a
challenge about the three year roll out of high school.
Was the NFL that stepped in and said no, no, no,
and they, you know, derailed a couple of careers because

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of that. But are they going to make any adjustments,
either monetarily or in terms of when players should be
eligible for the end of draft to combat what's going
on right now at the collegiate level, which let's call
it for what it is. College football is now professional football.
You can't spin it any other way.

Speaker 4 (19:46):
Now, myor league football. Absolutely it's because we don't have
one NFL Europe unfortunately it's long gone. And the XFL
and the other leagues that the league, the NFL had
interest in, they haven't really made it.

Speaker 6 (19:57):
Well.

Speaker 4 (19:57):
Now they're being paid, so I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah,
you got you got this twenty point five million dollars.
I believe going to every school and how they're gonna
divvy it up mostly is gonna go to football. Uh yeah,
I think what's gonna happen. This is what's gonna happen
these these Let's put it this way. Let's say a
guy is you know, you get early grades from the
scouting service that NFL teams subscribe to. You get them

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at during their junior season. So let's say a kid
who's probably gonna be a third round pick. That kid,
if he gets four million dollars to stay, well, that
hurts the draft like that. There could have been a
guy the third round pick is probably gonna stay in school.
You're gonna start seeing now now it's gonna be definitive.
Now we've got more clarity with what players could be paid. Yeah,
I think more teams are gonna more kids are going

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to stay in school, which we liked at for their education,
but because we've wondered about that, now we're gonnat more clarity.
And that's the early wad I got. More kids are
probably gonna stay. That will affect the draft, by the way,
and Steve, there's not what could clubs do. The salary
cap is a salary cap. We're not and we don't
have it till twenty thirty.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
Well, it also affects and we Todd this Bailey story
in the end be a draft where he heartily told
one team don't bother draft to me because I'm not
going to show up. We're not in that utah, right Ryan,
But I mean now you could have more of that
and on the football level where they decide, you know,
I'm not guy, I don't want to be the top
pick of that team. I'll stay another year. I'll make
even more money at least for one year than I

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would on lookie.

Speaker 4 (21:19):
But they also can get you.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
Take out an insurance policy.

Speaker 4 (21:22):
You know, good luck at good luck well listen, But
the value of it is interesting. It's a fascinating discussion, guys.
I mean we could I mean, plus with the collusions situation,
I have a little bit more for that for next
week if you want to talk about it. We don't
have enough time. But it's Jeff, it's fascinating, Jeff, I'm
telling you this is when that story came out and

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I talked to a bunch of agents about it, not
that anyone was surprised, but it goes to what you're
bringing up about the other quarterbacks and could they go
back and look at.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
It, and Sue, I think that's no, but I no.

Speaker 4 (21:58):
But I could tell you that it's going to be
interesting now to see how they approach. But by the way,
the first big deal we got Michael Parsons, which should
get done before training camp. But some of these quarterback
deals are fascinating now because are you gonna are you
gonna see more accusations of collusion because this is and
by the end of the nfl PA, we don't again.
This is I want to talk with the NFLP next week.

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They need have a little bit better leadership.

Speaker 3 (22:21):
And that's another story.

Speaker 4 (22:23):
Yeah, I have my Jeff, I my thoughts off the
air of about for twenty five years, which I I
just think they gotta get they gotta do better. They
just they gotta do better.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
I don't want to defend the PA exactly here, but
I will say, as someone who's been in those meetings before, Yeah,
it's just you have seventeen hundred different opinions. And the
number one gripe I have with the our process is
that in the NBA and Major League Baseball for years,

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it's not so much in baseball now, but it is
still in an NBA super stars are union reps and
the NFL is not the case. And I really think
the NFL could benefit from Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes
and Lane Johnson and and Miles Garrett and like those
type of players being union reps and being at the

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head of the table. I'm not saying that Trader can't
do a good job or Foxworthy, who I think is fantastic,
like he can do a good job like these, but
I think it just it hits different. I mean, Chris
Paul was ahead of the NFL players.

Speaker 4 (23:31):
Yeah, yeah, I get it.

Speaker 3 (23:33):
I just wish that because what happens is it's, you
know this, like the Stars just like parachute in at
the last hour and then try to get things that
they want in the scene. It's like you haven't played
attention at all. And I think the owners would respect
it a little bit more if Mahomes was in the
meeting room with the NFL Management Council and not you know,
a you know, a mid tier starter. So I would

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love for that to change for the NFLPA next.

Speaker 4 (23:58):
Week, I want to talk about Garrett money and how
that that the union has to do a much better job.
And this goes to what Jeff's saying. Everybody's going to
be on board because I remember ESPN did a phenomenal
documentary of strike season in eighty seven and how player
and it got very ugly and then the Player's cave

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because the stars cross the pilard. Yeah, I know, I know,
the eleven.

Speaker 3 (24:24):
It's just so it's guys don't save their money and guys.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
Just guys. I was in the middle of it, were
in nineteen eighty seven with a replacement games. Think about this,
how this all worked, Jeff. So here we are. It
was my four season working for the Raiders on the
head of media relations. Two games end of the season,
everybody walks out. So when you think about this, every

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team had one week off to put an entire roster together. Now,
think about that, an entire league had to put together
a brand new roster in one week that, which is
is so mind blowing nowt they had this. One thing
is the USFL had just folded two years before, so

(25:10):
there were a few of those USFL cast offs that
were floating around. But with one week off, they the
whole league had to put together a roster. My favorite
story out of that was, I'm scrambling to put together
a media guide and there's no computers of these things. Guys.
I'm sitting there with my assistant. We're like typing out
or handing out these questionnaires, right, and I'll never get this.

(25:33):
There was this linebacker that we had signed named Deshaun Shamberger, right,
and so we have him. He filled out his thing
and he put as his college Arizona State. I'm like, man,
I do not remember this guy at Arizona State. So
I grabbed a media guide and knowed Deshaun Shamberger. I
called the school. They're like ooh, and so I walk
up to him. I go, when were you at Arizona State.

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He goes, I didn't go to Arizona State. I'm like, well,
you put it as your college. He goes, Oh, that's
my favorite school I root for. I'm like, okay, where
we got I am not kidding you. I almost fell overlivable.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
Where did he actually go to college?

Speaker 2 (26:08):
I don't even remember, to be honest, I was so
blown away by that. But here at the bottom line
is is that immediately had players across the line. You know.
It was it was derailed almost from the gig though.
You have to sit because there were guys that were broke,
they couldn't afford to, not like with a paycheck.

Speaker 4 (26:23):
And at the end of it, that's what I'm bringing
up very quickly, the thirty for thirty series A Year
of the Scap. You must see it. If you've never
seen it, yeah, I highly recommend you go to YouTube
to find it. They rerun it a couple times per year.
Everything we just talked about is on there for that
year in eighty seven. I was covering the league then,
but I remember it in my early twenties and I
was just like, I could not believe and by the

(26:45):
Washington put together, you know, and they finally got Super
Bowl rings thirty years later, but Washington in one week. Guys,
you got to give the late Bobby Bethard credit. Unbelieved
that they all of a sudden all that they could win,
and that's the big reason why they won Super Bowl the.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
Year, no doubt about it. And it was it was crazy.
It's the only time it's happened. But who knows if
this guaranteed money doesn't somehow, I just I cannot believe
we're sittill, sitting here in twenty twenty five, with all
the guaranteed money in Major League Baseball in the NBA,
that the NFL is still behind the eight ball on
that one. Great stuff has always Adam. We'll pick up
a conversation next week. There is great Adam Kaplan our

(27:22):
NFL insider. All right, let's find out what is a
trending right now and a guy that is always controversial
in headgear, and that is Martin Weiss. Listen, I just
I am not color blonde. That's my take. Okay, let
me ask this of Jeff now, Jeff, I know you
can't see.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
Martin right now or do the Dodger hat thing again?

Speaker 2 (27:43):
Yeah, we have this dog so he's wearing as it's
blood the Dodger hat, right, and my son, by the way,
I showed him a picture of my son at the
Dodger game. Ever, he has a green Dodger gap. He
has a green one. So I'm like, it doesn't really
matter the color. It's the logo. If you have the
La logo, that is the Dodger logo, It's a Dodger
cap regardless of the color.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
I think. I agree. Now I have a bunch of
Giants hats and all different colors Giants like I like,
I am a I would never be caught dead in
a Dodgers hat, just to say, I'm like from Los Angeles.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
Right, But does orange a good color for you?

Speaker 3 (28:15):
Orange is a Giants color?

Speaker 2 (28:17):
Well, that's my point. Is it a good color for you?
Do you like if do you wear a Giant's cap
that has a different.

Speaker 7 (28:23):
Jeff could wear a blue and white Giants hat as
long as well.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
I wouldn't. Myles are green, but thank you, I would
not wear a blue Giants hat because the Dodgers are blue.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
Right, no blue? But would consider that a Dodger's hat
or a Giants hat is the logo or the color a.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
Blue Giants hat does not feel right because well, then.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
You're you're sort of in lockstep with Martin. Martin's feeling
is more about the color than it is the logos,
the color of your Sorry, I'm sorry, Jeff.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
If it's the color of the rock this is. But
this is like Marnin's not a Giant or Dodgers fans.
This doesn't really work. Like like you're like you're a
Tiger's fan church and yeah, okay, like if you wore
the a Detroit happened in the color of the of
the Guardians, that's kind of weird, I feel like.

Speaker 7 (29:14):
But I also would not be like, this is my
Guardian's colored Tiger's hat. I would say this, you say,
this is my hat with an old English d that
I'm trying to match my outfit.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
Yeah, if you really want alien, if you were to
wear the Giants colors, would that la logo?

Speaker 3 (29:30):
Yeah? If you were going to orange a black dot,
that would be all.

Speaker 7 (29:33):
And so that's why I I just draw my line
at you know, silly me. I think the colors that
the team wear plus the logo adds that is what
it is. Once you start changing the colors of things, now,
because if it's.

Speaker 3 (29:44):
What color, doctor, how are you wearing today?

Speaker 2 (29:45):
This is a black hat, a black cat with the
Dodger l A logo on it. It's a black Dodgers hat.

Speaker 3 (29:52):
Yeah, it's a Dodger hat.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
Thank you, Just like my son has a green doctor cat.
So that's okay. You can call it every whatever you want, Martin.

Speaker 7 (30:00):
You know what, we'll address this at eight o'clock Eastern,
when it's my turn to set the record straight and
in everybody in America apparently just on the wrong page.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
Let's run through some baseball scores.

Speaker 7 (30:10):
The rays of the Oriols bottom of the ninth inning,
Tampa leads Baltimore eleven to three, Mariners and the Rangers
tied to a piece. In the top of the ninth inning,
the Royals in the aforementioned Dodgers Dodgers in fact wearing
Dodger blue. Just to be clear, they are wearing blue
and white. They are trailing the Royals, who are also
wearing blue and white a different color blue, though, nine

(30:30):
to one. In the top of the ninth inning, d
Backs and the Marlins. In the top of the ninth
Arizona with a seven to six lead, the Cardinals with
an eight to six lead over the Guardian in the
top of the ninth inning.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
Top of the eighth, San Diego with the six to
four lead over.

Speaker 7 (30:44):
Cincinnati, Boston pounding Tampa to I'm sorry, Toronto in the
bottom of the seventh, twelve to one bottom of the third.
This game got stopped through a lot of weather going
on there. The Mets and the Pirates Pittsburgh with a
three to one lead over New York elsewhere major League Baseball.
So the Ages beat the Yankee seven and nothing. Tigers
beat the Twins ten to five. Ron Washington, Angels manager

(31:06):
is going to remain on medical leave for the rest
of the season. Washington is seventy three years old and
the oldest manager in the game. NBA trades. The Bulls
traded Lonzo Ball to Cleveland for Isaaccorro. Sam Merrol will
stay in Cleveland on a four year, thirty eight million
dollar deal, Davion Mitchell staying in Miami on two years,
twenty four million dollars, and nas Reed will sign a
five year, one hundred and twenty five million dollars deal

(31:28):
to stay with the Wolves. And just saw a post
from the Utah Jazz. Ace Bailey, the fifth pick in
the draft. Did report he is in Utah unless that
photo was AI, So feel good about the fact as
Bailey's there.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
All right, we got plenty to talk about when it
comes to the old NBA draft and what just transpired
over the couple of days ago. By the way, Mark Medina,
our NBA insider, will join us coming up in our
next hour, Martin, thank you very much. Once again, we're
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I want to talk to Jeff about a team that

(32:24):
he seems most loyal to. Okay, and they're very prominent
team in the NFL. The big question is for how
long this is Fox Sports Saturday.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
Steve Hartman Jeff Schwartz, Fox Sports Saturday. We're live from
the Fox Sports radio studios. All right, so, Jeff, yesterday
I was on a radio show and I was asked
the question which NFL quarterback has the most pressure to
win a Super Bowl this year? There are two obvious names, right,
Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson. I mean, both have been League MVPs.

(33:06):
Neitherre's even made it to a Super Bowl. So yeah,
I mean to sort of justify their name in the
conversation of great quarterbacks, I mean, you got to win
a Super Bowl. I mean just that's the nature of
the game. But then I paused for a second. I thought,
you know, there actually is another guy, and that's Patrick Mahomes.

(33:27):
And the reason I say that he said, well, he's
already won three Super Bowls. Okay, but it wasn't that
long ago that we were talking about Patrick Mahomes in
the same sentence as Tom Brady, Like he's had a
Tom Brady's pace and he still lives in terms of
how many Super Bowls he's played in five and how

(33:50):
many is won, is the same as Brady at this
point of his career, which was three. Remember, Brady had
a ten year hiatus before he ran out three more
super Bowls with Patriots. But my question is is that
going to happen? I mean, if this is it for Mahomes.
And again the way they got embarrassed in the Super Bowl,
they were non competitive against the Eagles, got completely blown

(34:14):
out of that game. I mean, at some point, Andy
Reid's gonna call it a career. This is not going
to be like Belichick who stayed the entire time with
Brady all the way through and kept timp kept them
in the conversation and then finally they were able to
win three more Super Bowls. I don't see ten years

(34:34):
from now Andy Reid being the coach of the Chiefs
if they have that kind of hiccup in a Super
Bowl run. But and I ask you, because you're close
to this franchise, to go this franchise in and out.
You know, sometimes I feel like you things don't go well.
You're little apologetic, you know, I mean, you're a fierce

(34:56):
defender of the Chiefs organization. Again, why not? I mean
they've been to five Super Bowl over what the last
six years, and so you know, they've they've proven themselves
and they're they're part of the NFL lore, but are
you are you confident that there are more Super Bowl
victories on the horizon for Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
So what made the Brady Belichick dynasty so impressive was
it was two separate dynasties, right, It was as you mentioned,
it was the three Super Bowls in four years, and
it was the ten year wait for another win. And
they lost the Giants in eleven and seven right between
the Super Bowl wins in four and fourteen. And they

(35:40):
did it with two separate teams. And this is the
last year the Chiefs are doing it with basically Travis
kelcey right, and Chris Jones. I think is getting older
and we're not seeing the same week to week production.
He still is incredible in the postseason and incredible big games,
but there are some games where he just does do

(36:00):
very much. And that's he's at his age now where
it's just hard, I think for seventeen weeks to give
it your one hundred percent when we need your hundred
percent against the Buffalo Bills, right, and against the Ravens
and against you in the postseason. And so I was
surprised that Travis kelce came back I actually think that
if they would have won, he would have retired. And
so there's pressure to win this year for this group

(36:23):
of guys. They got rid of Joe Toney, right, an
older player, as well. They got rid of some of
their guys on defense that were free agents, just didn't
re sign them. And so they're they're going younger all
over the roster. The younger wide receiver, right, they went young,
left tackle, they're young on the secondary. They're they're trying
to get younger because I think they know this is

(36:43):
sort of the last year of the old crew, and
we have to re revamp our team to just get younger, right,
And that's part of the NFL. And so there's pressure
to win for Travis Kelce essentially, right, and and for
the crew you have now. But just overall, I mean,
unless Mahomes feels pressure to be ahead of Tom Brady

(37:06):
at this point, there's no there's not as much pressure
as Josh Allen or or Lamar Right. I do think
that there's I'm not sure pressure is the right word
to use, but I do think Mahomes and the Chiefs
offense want to be more vertical, Like there's a pressure

(37:28):
to be better offensively this season, to throw the ball downfield,
to make more explosive play, because that was what they
did for so many years. Right, and last year he
got a thing too. Hollywood Brown hurt for most of
the season. Is Averworthy rookie and right she Rice was
off to a great season before I got hurt against
the Chargers in Week four. I believe it was. So

(37:49):
those guys are all playing this season, They're all is
every Worthy in the year two. Rice for now is
playing and Holly Brown's healthy. So Steve, there's pressure, I
think internally to just be better off offensively, but I
think there's no pressure to win like other quarterbacks that
just can't get there, right, I mean Joe Burrow, Lamar,

(38:09):
Josh Allen Hurts has no pressure now, right, He's won.
So I don't think there's much pressure as you think
there is.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
Well again, it's about legacy to me. I mean, you know,
it's not like Mahomes is not going to go to
the Hall of Fame. Obviously he's going to. But what's
interesting about you mentioned the Chiefs offense. Forget the last game,
obviously the throwaway game that he didn't play, but if
you look at the other sixteen games. They actually had
more games where they scored less than twenty points than
they scored thirty or more points. Thirty was there, Yeah,

(38:39):
that was it. I mean they did not last year.
And all season along we kept saying, this is the
worst six and O team, the worst eight no team,
the worst twelve and one team. We were saying that
all season long. Then they get to the Super Bowl
and people are just buying, well, they're not going to lose.
I was one that actually was on the record saying
the Eagles would win by double digits, and they did
that and some and so I just I just wonder.

(39:01):
I mean, because you look at the Bills right now,
I mean when you look at the AFC and we're
up against the clock. But just just quickly here, when
you look at the AFC, obviously the Chiefs are still
the team to beat until somebody knocks them off in
the AFC. Who is the prime contender to knock them off?
It is Buffalo. I agree. I agree, Buffalo.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
Be to the regular season, they've lost in the postings
at four straight times. Three of those games were by
three points, the other was yeah, was by by six
and overtime. I mean, like they they've been right there
like they've they've had a chance to do. They have
to they have to get over that hurdle.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
I think, you know, this reminds me of the Raiders
back in the seventies. They couldn't get past the Steelers
and then finally finally got them. They got him and
ended up blowing out the Vikings in Super Bowl. Even
John Maddens won win very similar situation. At some point,
it's going to happen to have them for Buffalo, I agree,
at some point. Uh But anyway, all right, well, I

(39:57):
just I just want to see because again when you
talk about all the time, great the quarterbacks, you got Brady,
you got four and O. Bratshaw you got four and O.
Montana got three and O Eightman and Mahomes is three
and two. All right, coming up much on the NBA
Draft aftermath. This is Fox Sports Saturday.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
Please don't listening to Fox Sports.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
Radio Radio rolling along here on a busy sports Saturday.
Fox Sports Saturday. We're broadcasting live from the Fox Sports
Radio studios. Coming up here in about twenty minutes, Smart Medina,
our NBA insider, will be joining us. So we've got
a lot of NBA to talk about now that the
draft is in the rearview mirror. You know, Jeff, I'll

(40:40):
be honest with you. Last weekend we did the show
together on Saturday, and then I did the show on Sunday.
Never mentioned the upcoming NBA Draft. And that's because I
blanked out on the fact that the draft was coming up.
There was so little buzz about the drafts.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
Ended Sunday in the game seven the later.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
I mean, the draft was like the pawn us and
so but I watched it, I realized, And so I
sat down to watch the draft, and I mean we
were like, I don't know, five picks in and I
was already like, what am I even watching here? I mean,
I who are I mean? You got a bunch of
the first eight picks were all one and done freshmen. Uh.

(41:25):
And if you looked at the high school recruiting rankings
going into last season, it was pretty much five of
the eight guys who were on that list of the
top eight and of course, the the most bizarre thing
ever and I still don't understand this too. No one
really explained this. So Harper and Bailey, who were ranked

(41:47):
two and three behind Cooper flag As far as high
school recruits, Bailey was three, uh and Harper was No,
Bailey was two and Harper was three, and they both
end up at Rutgers. Yes, I mean just randomly end
up at Rutgers, whose only claim to fame was they
made a Final Four appearance back in nineteen seventy six

(42:08):
with James Bailey as their star players. You were like, wow,
I mean, mile though, they're going to be a juggernaut. No,
they had a losing record, not only in conference play
in the Big Ten, they had a losing record overall.
They weren't even close and they were eliminated in the
first round of the Big Ten tournament. How's that possible?

(42:28):
When you get the because we're used to Duke or Kentucky,
you know, all these schools they get you know, the
second and third and these two guys just decide one
of them's from tennis, and why are they going to Rutgers.
Maybe an investigation needs to happen there, but it didn't
pan out, and so it's like, yeah, exactly. And then

(42:50):
with this whole thing about Ace Bailey and telling people's
don't draft him, and again we keep getting back to
this idea of how nil money is change in the
landscape of collegiate sports. And by the way, somebody asked
me this about this cap, which is not legal. At

(43:10):
some point somebody's going to challenge this cap. But anyway,
the idea of spending money on any athlete that is
in a non revenue generating sport makes zero sense. When
people talk about this twenty million dollars, where do you
think it's going to be spent. It's going to be
spent on men's basketball, and it's going to be spent

(43:32):
on football, period. And this is going to be the
death knell of the so called Olympic sports at the
collegiate level because they're not generating revenue and they're going
to go by the wayside. And so there's so many
different layers of this. I mean, we can spend ten
shows trying to try to figure out where we're going

(43:52):
with all this. But again, to me, this draft held
less suspense plus half the picks on the first we're traded. Anyway,
immediately after being drafted, it just seemed like a scramble
of a bunch of guys. I mean, how many of
these players are can have any impact in the NBA?
At most five maybe if they're lucky. I just I

(44:15):
don't know. It's something is something's amiss with me and
something I used to really look forward to and and
could almost count the names down. I was lost as
far as these names are concerned. Less than ten picks
until the draft.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
There's there's so many things here to get into Thursday morning. Well,
I'll back up. I don't know if you know this
about me. I love reading NFL draft grades the day
after the draft. I read all the articles like, send
them to I don't even care, just send them to me.
I love to read them.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
Dan, you don't find out ironic of people grading drafts
before they played it.

Speaker 3 (44:49):
Again, I do too. I did a live thing for
Fox Sports. My grades replic immediately. So I went to
go read a NBA draft. U great article, right right,
And I scrolled down quickly after the first couple of picks.
I want to see what the Lakers and a Lakers fan,
I knew they were picking the second round and a
first round pick. I scrolled down. I was like, oh, oh,

(45:10):
the second round hadn't happened yet. The second it was
the draftl was two days Yes, I had no idea.
And then and then talk about trades. I'm fairly certain
only four picks in the second round did not get traded,
which is wild. Look, it's everything gets compared to the NFL.
And the NFL draft is a nearly five month lead up, right,

(45:35):
the culturable season ends, no popper college football is, and
then we have months and months and months of events, right,
Senior Bowl, East West strourand Game combined, Pro Days, Top
thirty visits, individual workouts, and you have just months and
months of of lead up to the draft. And the

(45:56):
players that draft in the NFL often are impactful inmate,
especially quarterback position. Right, I mean Cooper Flag for how
good I think he is. I think you think he's
good too, you know, I mean I don't know in
three to five years, like we're really gonna see what
he is in the NBA, right, I mean, it's just
the way the league is. He's he's eighteen years old.
Most champions, I mean SGA is a young champion. Most champions.

(46:21):
The prime player of a team is twenty seven most
times to win their first championship. So Flag, you know,
it's eight years away, nine years away.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
Yeah, and he doesn't turn in nineteen until December, so.

Speaker 3 (46:33):
It's just easy years away. And then you watch the telecast.
I know everyone's saying this. I'm gonna I'll jump on
the criticism. Trained two, it doesn't feel big, doesn't feel big.
And the NFL has two They have two networks essentially
that put on draft coverage, right, ESPN and NFL Network,
and either I think it is fantastic. And they have

(46:57):
people who are talking of the draft, who spend their
entire year preparing for the draft, right right, Daniel, Jeremiah
mel kiper Matt Miller, all these guys just do draft
all year. And I put in the ESPN teller caast,
I got Stephen A. Kendrick Perkins.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
Well you're you're so called draft expert, is Jay Billis
and and buy in large. Look I'm I'm not a
college But here's the thing, So I listen to what
Jay says. Right, He basically repeats the same thing over
and over again. I mean, he uses the same cliches
over and over again about almost every one of these guys.

(47:37):
And you know they you know, great great, like this great,
you know, blah blah blah. And I just like, I'm like,
you said the exact same thing about the guy two
picks ago like almost identical. So we're not really getting
any in depth information about guys that, frankly I need
in depth information because if you, if you if the

(47:57):
only college basketball you watch, which for the majority of
people listening, is the NCAA Tournament, then honestly you outside
of Cooper Flag and a couple of his duke teammates,
you know, the Florida guy finally went later in the
first round, I mean it just or the Houston guy,
I mean all those guys went later, yeah, later, and

(48:18):
that type of thing, and you're just, so, who are
these people? Give me some insight? Why should I care
about two guys that came out of Ruckers that had
a losing season this year, a losing year.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
I think. I think that's a huge part of it, too,
is that you know, when you are trying to preview
and analyze these guys to the fit. In the NBA,
there's one year of film, right, essentially one year of play.
That half of that year is the first time they're
playing college basketball, so it's gonna be a little rough,

(48:51):
and you're just you're just projecting talent out. In the NFL,
you often have three years of film, right, and you have,
you know, all these plays that you haven't a game,
and and you know you're playing often against an opponent
that looks like you might see in the NFL. You know,
Duke played No. One for the most part in the

(49:11):
regular season, right, I mean, we joked about their schedule
all year long. So I think those are really tough
factors will make it difficult to talk about the draft
and break down the draft and really care about the draft.
And again you mentioned nil. And this is something that
I found pretty interesting is I'm not the first to
say this, but you know, we're getting the generation now
of these players are are making a lot of money

(49:32):
in college and they shouldn't seem as excited to be
drafted anymore.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
No, because it's not that we all expected What's funny.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
But here's the thing though, NFL players, those guys are
getting money too in college, and they're they're super pumped,
and I just think it didn't feel as big. And
one other thing too, I found interesting that it's not
really tied to the draft, but it could be related
to just sort of the vibe of the NBA right now.
Did you notice the thunder like did celebrate after they
won the championship. I was shocked they there was no

(50:02):
celebration in hockey, right they go out to the goalie
and they have.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
A Stanley a different ball, I know.

Speaker 3 (50:09):
But even in baseball, they dog pile of the picture
like there was nothing. And it's the first time these
guys had won a championship. I mean, Hartenstein was celebrating.
I saw on the sideline he was super pumped. But
that was it, and it just it felt a little
low energy. The draft a little a little low energy.
I mean the storyline is is Ace Bailey doesn't want

(50:31):
to go to Utah and he showed up today he's
gonna play. Obviously, Utah actually thought did well. They got
Walter Clayton in a trade, like like they have an actual,
I think, a pretty good job in the draft. So
I uh I, I'm with you on it. I just
think they don't make espin, doesn't make it big. It

(50:51):
doesn't feel big. They don't have draft guys on the telecast,
these players. You know the kid that got draft the
third great story, Yeah, you know, he he's one of
the guys that was very fortunate to be drafted. He
talked about you know, he lived. I think I want
to I want to mess this up. But he said

(51:12):
something about how he he didn't have powers and he
lived off a generator. But he seemed legitimately happy to
be drafted. Other guys did not. But great story. But
like played one year like this. I didn't watch Baylor
this year. Sorry, I just didn't have time to watch
Baylor play, time to watch Rutgers playing. I covered the
Big Ten for a lot of what I do and work,
and so this all plays a role into why it

(51:33):
felt smaller. And I don't think that's it's inherently bad, Steve,
like that's what it is now. But yeah, it doesn't
feel as important as it used to. And there's many
factors for it that we've discussed.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
But the money keeps rolling in Shay Gils, it is
Alexander's nude contract is going to pay him by his
final year well over seventy million dollars, and wait till
the Luca contract. By the time they get down to
the Luca contract with the Lakers his final year, and
that deal will pay him in excess of eighty million
dollars a year. So again, what are you playing for?

(52:04):
What are you playing for? I mean again, when you're
making that kind of money, generational money, money that you
can't even fathom having that kind of money. How does
that affect you? I mean, how does it affect you?
Does it have a desire to win? If you're absolutely
guaranteed all that money no matter what you do. I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (52:23):
You show up every day to work. I don't know
how much you make, so I mean, how do you
do it? How do you show the KTLA?

Speaker 2 (52:30):
I'm paycheck to paycheck and then that's what I do
all these years, paycheck to paycheck. You have no idea,
I think.

Speaker 3 (52:37):
But think about it. Those Yeah, I think that the
NBA players are motivated to play. Well, that's a different deal.
There's different type some player now some but you know
SJA obviously I think is that way? Yes, NBA contracts,
you know I did naws read deal. Seems excessive, but
that's what the deals are now. I mean, there was
you know Austin Reeves opted out.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
Yeah, he wants thirty five million a year. Are you
ready for thirty five million a year?

Speaker 3 (53:00):
I think someone will pay him that not Los Angeles.
We haven't had a chance to talk yet about the
Lakers ownership show.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
We'll get into that, we'll get into it. Well, I'll
tell you what. Hold on to that because on the
other side, we're going to catch up with our NBA insider,
Mark Medina. This is Fox Sports Saturday, Fox Sports Saturday,
Steve Harbin, Jeff Schwartz with you, were live from the
Fox Sports Radio studios, and by the way, for the
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(53:26):
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(53:48):
every Saturday and Sunday morning right here on Fox Sports
Radio on iHeartRadio app. And yes, Jeff Schwartz has been
a superstar in that program. Was it four years now?

Speaker 3 (53:57):
You said, I think it went to our fourth season? Yeah,
last September, Yeah, it was. It wasn't year round and
now it's it's year round. So we'll be on tomorrow morning.
Baseball WNBA.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
Well, that's basically when they took you away from me
as basically yes, yes, yes, and.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
That's uh yeah. So we'll preview whatever is on. I
mean we'll it's some NFL futures. I would have magine
the Hall of Fame game. By the way, yes, today
is June twenty eighth, it is July thirty.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
First, everyone I know, it is it is, it is.

Speaker 3 (54:29):
It's your chargers and still your chargers. Are we going?

Speaker 2 (54:32):
Well? You know, like I say, they were my chargers
when I was in San Diego. That's the way it was.
But then they left San Diego, so no, they're no longer.

Speaker 3 (54:39):
Out of all the expansion teams. That was the dumbest
one of we've ever had. I mean, not expect you
all the teams that move that well there still don't.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
Don't get me started. I could do ten shows on
the Spano's family, Dean Spanos in particular, but those are
personal things. I'll save that for another day. Let's focus
in on the NBA now that the draft is coming,
gone barely new. That's the way I look at the
NBA draft. Mark Mendina, our insider is Johnny is Mark.
We always appreciate the time. So Jeff and I came

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to the conclusion. I certainly thought this because I've been
watching the NBA Draft forever. I mean, it seems like
yesterday David Stern pulled out that frozen card that had
the New York Knicks number one overall so that they
get Patrick Ewing. And I've watched every draft since, and
there was always a sense of anticipation with the draft,
and I found myself about five picks in, like what

(55:29):
else is on TV? I Was it just me? Or
I mean there was something really lacking in terms of
drama or I don't know what it was in this
year's NBA draft. Am I off on this? Or was
it business as usual for you? Now?

Speaker 6 (55:49):
Steve, I think you're one hundred percent on the money.
And what's ironic with that is there weren't people tipping
picks as they were in past season, so there were
still some elements. After Cooper flag Beam pick number one,
what happens, you know. I think the most notable example
is Ace Bailey following a number five after he was
refusing all sorts of workouts with Philadelphia and other teams.
But I'm with you that there doesn't have that same

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kind of excitement as there has been in the past.
And that doesn't even include the fact that the second
round is televised the very next day with prospects you've
never heard of. So I presume as bad as the
first round was for you, the second round was ten
times worse.

Speaker 3 (56:28):
Yeah, I told Steve, I didn't know that it was
a second round or a second day.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
I went to read a draft great article because I'm
a Lakers fan.

Speaker 3 (56:37):
I just want to see about I want to see
someone talk about their second round pick. I know, I
know they'd have a first round pick. And I went
to an NBA draft article for winners and losers for
round one, and the very end it was like, here
are the guys in day two? I said, day two?
What was the day two for this? So I think
a lot of us feel that way. I think lost
in the talk about you know, flag and maybe Ace

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Bailey is what the Pelicans did trading an unprotected first
round picked for for Derek Queen. What were they thinking?
Because it feels like that is a heavy price to
pay for Queeno. I think it's going to be good
in the NBA, but unprotected first round pick feels like
a lot.

Speaker 6 (57:15):
Yeah, I'm with you. Derek Quin could very well be
a good player. But the fact that you trade a
pick in the future that you might not need, I
don't get it. And what I also don't understand is
when you're looking at the Pelicans' other moves so far
in the offseason, it seemed to indicate that they're starting
to go into rebuild mode. You know, trading someone like CJ. McCollum,

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valued veteran player is very productive still at this stage
of his career. Getting a young guy like Jordan Poole
that is good but usually just on the score and
end doesn't play a lot of defense. You thought that
they're waving a signal you know what it's about the
lottery next season. Well, if you're going to single that,
why would you trade a future draft pick that you

(57:56):
might need when you get good lottery on So I'm
not sure what Shoe Dumars is doing. I'm curious of
the thought processes, but it doesn't make any sense from
my point of view, because if you're going to choose
a lane, whether it being win now mode or go rebuilding,
you gotta choose a lane. You can't dip your toe
in one lane and then dip your toe in the other.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
So we talked about Oklahoma City going into these playoffs,
and they had a historic season. I mean we're talking
a sixty eight win team, sixteen games better than the
number two seed in the much stronger Western Conference, winning
their games by an average of thirteen points a game
over the course of an eighty two game schedule, second

(58:37):
youngest team ever get to the NBA Finals, now the
second youngest team to win NBA Championship. And when it
was all said and done, I could not have been
more underwhelmed by Oklahoma City. I just I'm trying to
figure out because I did not get to see a
lot of them during the regular season. We talked about
this before, Mark, is that you know, we watched the Lakers.
You know who they put on. They put the Celtics,

(58:58):
the Lakers, the six, there's the usual suspects. Is what
we saw for the majority of the season, even though
Oklahoma City regular season wise was the runaway best team
in the NBA. But when I finally got a chance
to sit down and watch this team, I just walked
away underwhelmed. I mean, there were moments when they look
good and there were moments when they they were lost

(59:19):
and Jeff was bringing up before he came on, wow,
how underwhelming was their celebration after winning the NBA championship.
So I was making the argument before the playoffs and
we could be looking at a team that could dominate
the least the rest of this decade. They got five
first round picks over the two years, you know, this

(59:39):
year and next year, And I don't know, should we
expect that they are going to be that team as
young as they are where they should rule the NBA
for the balance of this decade or were things exposed
in the postseason about this basketball team.

Speaker 6 (59:59):
Well, see, there's a a lot of thing good things
you pointed out to unpack. As far as you know,
being underwhelmed, I think that they play really well. They
have the greatest and greatest score in the league right
now in Shay Gildas, Aalaxander, their top defensive team. But
I'm with you that they're not flashy, They're not necessarily entertaining.
Shay is a very methodical player that takes jump shots

(01:00:21):
or gets to the rim, gets the foul line. Jaylen
Williams another great shooter score, but it's just catch and
shoot threes and then the rest of the team is
all about just playing defense and you know, doing all
those fundamental things that coaches like. But it doesn't make
highlight reels. To your point about them celebrating or not
really celebrating out with surprise. I mean, usually teams love

(01:00:43):
to pop the champagne bottles. I get when there was
a lack of enthusiasm for doing that over the ins
or the NBA Cup, the mid season tournament, but for
them not to really do that and be subdued after
winning a championship, I guess it's a new generation. I
don't get it. This is something that we might have
to get used to because next season I think they're

(01:01:05):
the favorites to win the championship. I don't know. I
don't think it's going to be ten years or five
year dynasty type stuff. But the fact that they don't
have to make any tough to financial decisions like the
Celtics are right now this offseason because everyone's still under
contract the next two years, they'll still have this same
core together. You also look at the rest of the landscape.

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A lot these an conferences wide open, most notably because
there's a lot of injury questions all related to Achilles injuries,
Damian Lower with the Bucks, Eyrese Halvernon with the Pacers.
You know, you don't know which head coach A're going
to get with the New York next c after firing
Tom Thibodeau, so really, and then Jason Tatum another Achilles
injury with the Celtics. So with that, there's not a

(01:01:48):
predominant favorite. So it's almost like they're going to be
that favorite by the fault.

Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
How much does the NBA regret this CBA structure or
second aprin third a. But it's just it's just a
bore man like I want these teams to be able
to be good for as long as possible. You know,
it really limits the ability for teams to resign their
own guys that they draft and developed. And it's super
I'm an MBA fan, it's super complicated. I don't understand

(01:02:16):
any of it. Is there regret that they went this direction.
They're trying for parody, which I understand, but it just
feels like it's not gonna work like they intended.

Speaker 6 (01:02:28):
I'm with you one hundred percent. I think in the
present time they don't regret it because they got a
great media rights deal that kicks. The next season, it
was good basketball. The quality of basketball was good. But
I think where where you know everything's gonna catch up
to them is when the thunder all of a sudden
can't retain their guys, when Jaylen Williams and Chat Holmer

(01:02:51):
and are up for new deals after in two years
from now, and all of a sudden they have to
worry about second ay for the concerns, I think in
a way, the NBA and the owners propose this as
a way to say, you know what, we'd love to spend,
but because of these spending restrictions, we can't. You know,
we have to make tough decisions. But it's almost an

(01:03:13):
out to make themselves not look like they're being cheap owners. Right,
but when you devise a system that does not allow
yourself to retain players that you drafted, well, this doesn't
address the division of small market big market having better parody.
So right now it hasn't caught up to them, but

(01:03:35):
I think it will, and as a result, it's a
matter of if not when they'll wind up changing these
second Apron restrictions because it's forcing teams to make decisions
that aren't good basketball moves and everything's financially driven, even
though it's not about owners saving money, it's because they
literally can't build a roster if they go past the

(01:03:55):
second apron with having full access to mid level and
being able to trade draft this well, Mark, we.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
Have a lot of things happening in this offseason that
we have a lot of interest in. It looks like
the Celtics are dismantling their franchise right now. Obviously the
Halliburton injury, he could be lost with the year with
the Indiana Pacers, the Lakers situation. So you don't mind
if we call upon you. Even though the NBA season
is quote unquote over, do you.

Speaker 6 (01:04:20):
The NBA season's never over.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
Thank you.

Speaker 6 (01:04:22):
I can always gladly talk with you whenever he'd like.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
Very good, Mark, we always appreciate the time. Thanks so much.
We'll talk to you down the road.

Speaker 6 (01:04:30):
I appreciate you.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
Guys, Mark Medina, there are NBA insider. Now let's find
out what is trending as Martin is back right now.
Did you watch much of the NBA Draft, Martin, I
didn't watch a single pick. Yeah. It was really really
yeah yeah, yeay. To me, the draft is a meeting
that could have been an email. Yeah yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 7 (01:04:54):
People complain about home and the draft is so boring.
What are they what are they supposed to be doing
in the.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
Well, the amazing thing is how the NFL has taken
what was a very boring NFL draft and suddenly made
it into this mega event. But I guess the NFL
can do it. That's crazy.

Speaker 7 (01:05:09):
I also wouldn't go to the NFL draft. I think
it's madness that people go.

Speaker 3 (01:05:14):
And I think it is too, But I mean the
NBA draft, you know, like everyone's in like little it
looks like an award show. They're all sitting round tables.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
Yeah, let me tell you. In the NFL when you
have guys high fiving, they have a whole room of
guys high fiving after a fifth round pick. It's like,
come on, I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:05:33):
But that but that's but that's how much they care
like that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
That's why I think that's why doing that for the But.

Speaker 3 (01:05:38):
I think that's why fans care. At least at least
they're faking it that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
I was in the room when we drafted we the
l A Raiders drafted Bo Jackson. No one was high
fiving after that. Nobody, Well you should have been he
was that was a good pick. I mean, mister, it was.
It turned out to be a great pick. But it
sounds like like we had three Hall of famers in
the room. He had Al Davis, Ron Wolf and Tom Floors.

Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
No one was sound like they should have been excited.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
Right, this is like this. They just looked at me
and said, harbor and tell everybody we just drafted bo Jackson. Jeff.

Speaker 7 (01:06:05):
This is just like when they say, well, you know,
back then, nobody shot threes.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
The line was there. They could have They could have
Michael Jordan's. Just one year, Michael Jordan led the league
in scoring, shooting thirteen percent from the three point line.
Look at thirteen percent?

Speaker 3 (01:06:20):
Yeah about the three point line. Recently is there's a
thing going around the internet where if Kevin Garnett just
stepped one foot back on all his twos, he would
be a top ten scorer. Yeah, he took the longest
twos of all time. Play now he would be a
top ten all time score. He just took one step
back for all his jump shots.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
Yeah, but you know, Jeff, nobody did it back then.
Well maybe he should have.

Speaker 7 (01:06:42):
Tom Floors and now Davis probably could have shared a
high five there when they drafted bow Jacks just looked.

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
At me and said, tell everybody we took both. Well,
that was it.

Speaker 7 (01:06:49):
I'll tell everybody was going on in baseball right now.
Top of the seventh inning, the Pirates lead the Mets
three to two. Braves with a one nothing lead over
the Phillies and catch that game on Fox parts of
the country. Other parts you can see the Cubs in
the Astros Chicago with a one nothing lead in the
bottom of the first inning. Bulls traded Lonzo Ball to
Cleveland for Isaacacorro.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
Sam Merrill will stay.

Speaker 7 (01:07:10):
In Cleveland on a four year, thirty eight million dollar deal,
and Davion Mitchell will stay in Miami on a two year,
twenty four million dollar deal. Nas Reed will signed a
five year, one hundred and twenty five million dollar.

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
Deal stay in Minnesota.

Speaker 7 (01:07:22):
As Billy, the fifth pick in the draft, reported to
Utah today, there were some questions about whether or not
he was going to do that elsewhere in Major League Baseball.
The A's beat the Yankee seven and nothing, the Tigers
ten and nothing over the Twins. Ron Washington Angels manager
is going to remain on medical lead for the remainder
of the season. Washington is seventy three years old. He's

(01:07:43):
the oldest manager in baseball and in the NHL. The
Anaheim Ducks traded their all time leader in appearances, starts
and saves for a goaltender that's John Gibson. He's going
to Detroit for Peter Murazak and two draft picks.

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
Back to you guys. All right, thank you very much, Martin.
As always, great great job. Once again, we're coming live
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(01:08:16):
you gets you podcasts. See today's show. Posted it right
after we get off the air. All right, you mentioned
the Lakers, and here's what I tell people when they've
been asking me about the Mark Walter takeover of the
Laker organization. Based on what he has done with the
Dodger organization, This out is going to play odd, Jeff,
So the first year they're right, you know, we're waiting

(01:08:37):
on Lebron and there's nothing Mark Walter can do. It's
a player option. If he wants to sign it, he's
going to get his fifty two million dollars. And it
screws the Lakers this year because then they won't have
enough money to sign a big man they desperately need
that will be of any consequence. So they'll essentially have
the exact same team they had a year ago and
hoping for better results in the postseason. But what he

(01:08:59):
will evaluate from day one is everything beyond Luka Doncic.
And I'm not just talking players, coach, general manager, front office.
Uh you know the Genie Buss surrounded herself with friends
and that's fine. That's the way she felt most comfortable.
That is not Mark Walter. He can't spend money. You're

(01:09:19):
not going to go over the cap. In the NBA.
The penalties are way too severe. It's not about luxury
tax like if you if you go over the tax,
your your first round pick drops to the bottom of
the first I mean to the first round. That there's
all kinds of penalties. So it's not that where you
spend your money. It's getting the best coaches, the best
general manager, the best front office people, the best personnel department.

(01:09:42):
That's where the Lakers desperately need upgrades across the board,
and everything is circling around Luka Doncic. So you know,
my my guess is after this first year, based on
what happens, uh Lebron's future, uh jj, Reddick's future, Polinka's future,
Everyone's future very much in doubt.

Speaker 3 (01:10:02):
Well, I think Polinka is surely going to be gone.
It feels like the first thing that he didn't hire Polinka.
It's not it's just not. And I think Polica's done
a fine job. He got Luca. I mean, I don't
know how you can be upset about that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
Did he get looker, did the league engineer that deal?

Speaker 3 (01:10:15):
That's okay, we can talk about that other day. But nonetheless, look,
I mean, the more you hear about this, and we
knew some of this is, you know, being la people
like the Lakers are cheap, right, So.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
There's the Bus family didn't have any money. People don't
understand this. The money is just based on the perceived value, like.

Speaker 3 (01:10:34):
You mentioned that. So because this was something that Mark
Davis dealt with before he moved in Vegas, you know
there are owners in sports and there's less now that
their primary business is the sports team they own.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
The Spanos family with the Chargers identity.

Speaker 3 (01:10:51):
The Mara family with the Giant. Now they know that
the Titians who also in the Giants.

Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
That's not for the Brown family with the.

Speaker 3 (01:10:58):
Brown family and the Rooneyes like and so then there
are these people like Stan Kronkey who have seven billion
dollars and and David Tepper who have ten billion dollars.
And this is one of those guys who has independent
wealth outside of a sports team.

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
Right, and he has a Google, heind group behind him,
whatever money he's got.

Speaker 3 (01:11:19):
And as much as I disliked the Dodgers, you have
to say that what he's done has been very successful.
Since he bought the team, they've been the winningest team
in all of baseball. They don't have all the World
Series to back it up, but they got two. Well,
to be fair, they have one in one third. They
won a third of a championship when they played a
third of a season in the bubble. But you know,
look all the winning they've done. And it's the use

(01:11:42):
of analytics, right, It's it's the it's the rehab and recovery.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
And it's spending throughout the entire organization correct and bring
in the best.

Speaker 3 (01:11:52):
Yes, and and I think it's number one thing that
we've seen reports so far is just making sure Luca's
in shape, right and correct. And I will tell you
this though, after the injuries we saw this season with
the Achilles, you know, I'm glad he took as much
time as needed for us calf because you know, the
Dallas trying to rush him back, to call him fat,
out of shape, He didn't want to play all those things.

(01:12:13):
And it's like, I'm glad he took us time because
we're seeing all these players with calf injuries ended up
with achilles injury. So as a Lakers fan, I'm excited
for this change. You know, my entire life, the bus
families owned the Lakers. I don't know any different. But
it seems like this is for the best for the organization.
And and you know they said ge Bus will stay
on as a governor.

Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
Now, and that's a look. He doesn't want to deal
with the you know, day to day with you He's
got too much on his plate, so.

Speaker 3 (01:12:39):
He doesn't do that for the dogs either. He's very
behind the.

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
Scenes, he's very behind the scenes. He doesn't want that governor.
She has no interest in that. She wants to do
it for a while the bus. Look at Jerry Buss.
I've said this before. Jerry Buss was not only the
greatest team owner in LA sports history, he was certainly
the most important owner in the history of the National
Basketball Association. Genie is absolutely dedicated to keep her father's

(01:13:03):
legacy alive. She just didn't have the means to do it.
The intentions were there, the you know, it's like a
for effort and d minus for the actual product that
we saw. And so it's you know, and by the way,
that's that's a great based on the rest of the
Lakers history. I mean, when you start off your run
as the owner with six straight losing seasons, it's hard

(01:13:24):
to give yourself anything other than that kind of failing great.

Speaker 3 (01:13:27):
And because I think from the time Magic got there
until basically Kobe left, they didn't never have that run.
As soon as Kobe left, they had a run of
years and years and years of being bad. And even
between Magic and Kobe they weren't bad. No, they didn't
win championships. Put van Exel and de Vat, they weren't
a bad basketball team. They were bad after Kobe left.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
Well remember this when Kobe blew his achilles and then
she signed him to a three year, twenty five million
dollars year contract when he literally could not play anymore.
But yeah, he scored sixty points in his final game.
Look at the other years his last year were the Lakers.
They were seventeen and six. Okay, so you know it's
the intentions were good, they weren't able to deliver on it.

(01:14:07):
Now they have ownership with Mark Walter that will deliver.
This is a guy that will get results, and that's
good for the NBA because they need the Lakers, like
the Celtics, to be relevant. All right. Coming up on
the other side, some thoughts about another busy week ahead
in sports. This is Fox Sports Saturday. Steve Harvey, Jeff Schwartz,

(01:14:30):
Fox Sports Saturday. We're live from the Fox Sports Radio studios.
I want to thank our crew today, Martin whit is
getting ready for his own show coming up here with
Zach Carper and looking forward to that. Martin, great job
as always. Mary Mack, I've seen Mary Mack now for
you know, well over a year, and she's just having
a good time, better time all the time you're understanding

(01:14:54):
where you are in life. You need to have a
good time. And I'm happy to say Mary Max has
been having a great time right Yes, thank you very much.
Speaking of having a good time, He's going to be
one of the giants in this industry in the future.
I promise you that. Ian is that kind of aptitude,
just driven, driven. You gotta you gotta work hard. You know,

(01:15:15):
there's there's there's many many in the younger generation that
feel like they're do a handout. Doesn't work that way.
You want to succeed, You gotta you gotta work at it.
By the way, speaking of succeeding, so Jeff Schwartz and
I before Jeff went to Countdown, we were together a
couple of years, Jeff on a regular basis. We had

(01:15:37):
some great shows. When the Bengals and the Rams played
in the Super Bowl. We are out there at the
Santa Monica promenade before the Super Bowl. I met your
parents out there. I remember you were walking away. I
was talking to your mother. She goes, can you believe
that's my son. I'm like, you have two of those,
not just one, and so wonderful people wonderful family. But

(01:15:59):
he I listen religiously to you and bing oh and crack,
and I listen to you guys every Sunday morning. And
I'm listening to you guys over the last several weeks, right,
and I'm thinking back to when we did our show together,
and I'm thinking, you guys have spent in one segment

(01:16:20):
talking more WNBA than we did. Well, we never mentioned it,
I'll put this, never once mentioned the WNBA in two
years together. And yet I'm listening to you guys on
countdown and they're like, all right, give us some picks,
you know, some of the plays, and it's like wnbawnbawnba. Yeah,
So how talk about this evolution? For you? Jeff?

Speaker 4 (01:16:44):
Where?

Speaker 2 (01:16:45):
Because I mean, I mean I know how you operate.
I mean you're very meticulous, you work hard, you do
your homework. Doesn't mean you're right all the time. It
just means that you put a lot of thought to it.
When did it happen? When you realize I'm going to
actually have to learn the w n b A know
the w n b A know the players, know the teams,

(01:17:07):
know the tendencies. And how challenging was that for you?

Speaker 3 (01:17:12):
Kaylen Clark. So simple. Yeah, it's that simple. You know.
I like watching her play. I watch all the Fever games. Now,
I watched last night. She didn't play last night. I
watched anyways, And you know, I think gambling certainly helps
that because as of right now, baseball's on. It's just
a terrible sport to gamble on, you know, baseball, like

(01:17:34):
finding little things like especialty props essentially, like I bet
today the Yankees pitcher not allow a first inning hit.
Things like that are almost more profitable than just betting
on teams to win and lose games and totals and whatnot.
So this time of year, the w n B A,
you know, I turned to that to to try to
get that, you know, to gamble a little bit. And

(01:17:56):
and what's the response been.

Speaker 2 (01:17:57):
I mean it's just I mean, you wouldn't be talking
about if it wasn't getting a positive spots because yeah,
I mean many times, I'm just not like, I don't
know a lot of the players in the WNBA. I do,
but every once in a while you'll have pop bet
you know, over unders on you know, rebounds assist combined,
or you throw out a name. I'm like I got
to look this up. What is this? Well? I think
she done so far.

Speaker 3 (01:18:17):
If you win wagers, no one cares what sport it is,
of course, yes, but you know, I think, like tomorrow,
we have one, two, three, four, five w A big
games tomorrow, So I imagine we do our show tomorrow.
I'll have something for us. I mean the Sun that
I mean, look, and then it comes down to a
lot of trends, right, Like that's what it comes down to.
So like I don't watch a ton of these teams play,

(01:18:38):
but I follow box scores and pay attention enough to know,
for example, like the Sun are just atrocious. They're twenty
and a half point underdog tomorrow, and so you just
follow enough and you figure it out as you go.
So that's probably again it's a Kailyn clarkerffect. Like I
didn't watch anything till Tokayla Clark. I tell you, I
take you back a little bit. Sobrina and esc went

(01:18:59):
to Oregon. Yep, they would have won a championship if
not for COVID. So I've tracked her career a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
That three point shooty contest with Steph Curry.

Speaker 3 (01:19:07):
Steph and so I tracked her career in the w
NB a little bit. I didn't watch oby much of
the postseason, but now it dude, it is a different
sport than the NBA. I'll tell you that it is.
It's just different. You have to accept it. If you're
going to watch the w n b A, you accept
it for what it is. There's a lot of high
level play with the good teams that there is some

(01:19:29):
very bad play.

Speaker 2 (01:19:30):
From Okay, here's the bottom line. Like you say, is
it an easier sport to bet on and win? And
let's just say the NBA, yes, Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:19:42):
NBA is super difficult. I'm more profitable in the w
NBA than I am.

Speaker 2 (01:19:46):
And see, sometimes that's all you're looking for. I'm looking
for something where I feel like I get an edge
by just doing a little homework where a lot of
people may be not doing their homework.

Speaker 3 (01:19:56):
Yeah, w n b A you can make, you can make.
I'm on the I'm on the Mystics tonight. No no
page Beckers in Dallas tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:20:04):
That's right, Beckers is out. I watched that as well.
All right, well, Jeff, it's great as always to catch
up with you. Will be listening tomorrow morning. Thank you
get ready for Martin Wis and Zach Harper. Keep it here.
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