Steve Hartman & Martin Weiss Talk Knicks Head Coach Search, NBA Finals Madness, & More!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
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(00:30):
up in the next hour, we'll get a little deeper
into the upcoming Game five of the NBA Finals. Mark Mendina,
our NBA insider, will be joining us Martin. All I
can say here about those NBA Finals is Scott Foster
the extender getting the job done as he does so well.
Bring him in. You can't have a three to one

(00:51):
series lead. Got to bring this back to OKC two
to two and a flagrant fowl that was untimely obviously
for the Pacers on one of the keys down the stretch.
I know we'll talk about SGA and he actually looked
like truly an MVP. But it's it's more than a
coincidence that when the NBA needs a certain team to

(01:12):
win to extend a series, just bringing Scott Foster, the
official and he will find a way.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
Oh goodness, gracious, those helicopters, I hear. That's not the newschoppers,
that's the conspiracy theory coming.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
To pick up Steve. I get it.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
Look, Scott Foster's career reputation earned.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
I'll put it like that, thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
However, watching Game four of this NBA Finals, my thought was,
maybe Tyreese halliburton career reputation unearned at this point in time,
because you know what Scott Foster wasn't doing isowing him
at the top of the key and not being able to.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Get past anybody. That's what I saw.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
I saw Tyrese Halliburton and an Indiana offense that couldn't
score in the second in the half.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Court, I should say, And the same is true.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
For Oklahoma City, by the way, in a game in
which they made three are what three three pointers total?
Like it's just like a game in which stats all
of it say they should have lost that game. But
to me, watching the way Indiana has played all postseason,
they rotate everybody in and it's the same if they
kind of live and die by the same thing, and

(02:23):
last night they died by it because Bennett Mathern in
the last five minutes of that game was absolutely horrendous
and cost them the game one hundred percent in in
my estimation. If Nie Smith doesn't foul out, I think
that we might be looking at a whole different series
right now.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
Well, I think one of the big surprises in the
series is the domination of the Indiana bench versus the
OKC bench. Yep. I don't think a lot of people
thought that they were saying, okay, See's a deeper team,
and they haven't been. I mean every even in this game,
the Indiana bench outscored Oklahoma City. Cruse had twenty. The
rest of the bench had seven for OKAC but key

(03:01):
in this game. And again when we talk about SGA.
By the way, we had the stat last night we
were doing the news, you know, we had a postgame
and somebody found this stat. But I can't figure out
who the stat belongs to. So the stat was this
Shay Gildess Alexander had fifteen of his thirty five points

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in the last five minutes of the game, not fourth quarter,
the last five minutes he scored what fifteen to the
last seventeen points? Sure, and they said it was the
first time that someone had done that since the nineteen
seventy one NBA Finals, and I'm like seventy one. That
was the year when still lu Al Sindor. People don't
know this about Kareem. He was Luel Sindor at UCLA.

(03:44):
He was still lu Al Sinder's first two years in
the NBA before he changed his name to Kareem Abdul Jabbar.
So that's second. Here in Milwaukee, they sweep the Baltimore
Bullets led by Earl the Pearl Monroe before he would
go to the Knicks, and I guess somebody scored fifteen
points in the last five minutes one of the game.
I'm going to guess it was Kareem. But here was
the key in this one. Jalen Williams showed up in

(04:06):
a big way, right, twenty seven points. This guy's an
All NBA player. That's what you expect from Jalen Williams.
And even though chet Holmgren didn't do a lot offensively,
he didn't get fifteen bards, including a huge follow up
dunk on a miss late in that game. So this
is this is the difference. And by the way, what's
interesting about plus minus. It's a stat that a lot

(04:27):
of people don't really pay attention.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
To, and those I think who do pay attention to
it have a various under varying degrees of understanding of
what it actually is and means.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Well, again, it's it's it's the point in differential when
you're actually on the court, and it could be a
value of how much it matters. Yet well, like you
could you could be a bench guy, right and you
come in late in the game where your team is
down thirty and you outscore the other team by twenty
and lose by ten. You're like, wow, the guy was
a plus twenty. Why was any in the game longer?
So that's where it could be deceiving shake gil Is

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Alexander's play US for his forty minutes was zero, it
was a dead even. But for Cheded Holmgren in his
thirty seven minutes, they were a plus fourteen, So Holmgun
got the job done for him. By the way, Jalen
Williams thirty six minutes was also a zero. So what
was interesting on the combinations they he used because I

(05:21):
was fully prepared Martin to come in here today and
just absolutely bury Mark Dagnall Okay, I watched this guy
and I'm trying to figure out what is his game
as a coach. I mean, what does Dagnel doing? What
is his deal? Right? Is he a motivator? Is he
just observant? I feel no impact in these games from Dagnall, none.

(05:46):
And then you see him postgame and he's very low key.
And I don't mind low key. Not everyone has to
be a screamer. But I wonder like, is he the
right guy moving forward for the Thunder. I mean, all
this talent, they got five number one pit over the
next couple of years, they had the nucleus of a
team that could dominate the NBA over the least the
balance of this decade. Is he the right guy? I'm

(06:08):
not so sure, but I'm gonna have to give it
to him because for the first time and again, the
Oklahoma City has been victimized by their domination all season long.
Remember they didn't just win sixty eight games, they won
by an averager thirteen points a game. So it only
made sense if you're suddenly pressed into a lot of
close games, how would this team react? And that's why

(06:29):
coming down the stretch, you're like, oh, oh, here we go. Again, Okase,
he's gonna fold instead, it was Indiana that folded, sky
Foster upped, and then you have Oklahoma City jump up
and actually start doing things. Sga was absolutely phenomenal down
the stretch. I think the big thing that Dagnall did
do I agree with you in that. And this is another.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
Reason why one of my you know, it's interesting, Steve,
because I think as I've done more work with you
over the last couple months, I've come to find that
I'm like more of the off my long guy than
you are almost And I want coaches back wearing suits.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
I need to see and I've actually saw the Athletic
post something about this recently.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
Plumber wrote an article about it. Heed coaches back in suits.
You know why?

Speaker 3 (07:14):
Because Mark Dagnold looks like a pe teacher. Okay, I
need to know what he's about. I need to know
what his style is. Who knows. You may think Mark
Dagnold is like this, and then he comes out in
an all white suit for game forty. He's like, oh,
he moves differently right now, all of a sudden, he's
got a different attitude. I say all that to say this,
there's no personality on this OKC team, and it is
by design right right, and it's.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
On purpose that is by design. Is very spursy in
of all of it.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
And I think to that point, they have a formula
that is very hard for them to break away from
when things to your point, you won eighty some games
before you got into this finals, why would you break.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
Away from the formula?

Speaker 3 (07:53):
The thing that he did that I think that really
changed the game for OKC down the stretch, Putting Williams
Jay Dubb on the ball, having him bring up the
ball against that pressure, having Shay take a few plays
off on the offensive side, sitting him a little bit more.
That allowed for you see, you guys talk about the
Scott Foster of it all. That allowed for Shay to

(08:15):
be fresh enough to even draw the fouls.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
He was tremendous. You know again, I've been think about this.
There are only three players in NBA history that have
had three consecutive years of scoring at least thirty points
a game while shooting better than fifty percent. Wilt Chamberlain,

(08:38):
Michael Jordan, and Shay Gildess Alexander. That's pretty good company.
But I kept waiting, right, I need that moment they
were on the brink. He had to come through, and
he did it. To me, Shay Gildas Alexander, who's always
been a star. But I mean, in my eye, just

(08:58):
my eyes won up a different level after yesterday's game
because they had to win.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
You know, and interesting, I don't disagree with you, but
the way I saw that game was just honestly a
Pacer let down. I felt like the Pacers had them
on the ropes, Like I think that if we were
charting this out, you know the news, the A block
story is Miles Turner and Tyree's Halliburton and Turner more

(09:29):
so throughout the game, but Halliburton, especially in the fourth quarter.
Their inability to create offense and get buckets. That to me,
what was happening in that game defensively was fine, like
Shay Gildess, Alexander was making his presence felt, but they
weren't matching buckets on the other side. And this is
the first time that I that in I mean, god,

(09:50):
maybe the second, but the first time to me that
in this postseason that this Pacer team just felt like
they could not keep up right offensively, couldn't keep up
And to me, I felt like that might have been
a loss where Okay, Goliath is back.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
Now you had Goliath on the ropes.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
You know, Tyre's Haliburton hit Goliath in the eye with
the sling shot Game one with that three pointer that
went in, and then you know you had them on
the ropes.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
Now Goliath has recovered, and I fear for David in
this one. He's stating this game for me, Shay gilsis
Alexander zero assist zero. In other words, just give me
the ball and I'll take care of business and see
and that's what I want from my start. I don't
have I get what you're saying. I think Shay was

(10:40):
great down the stretch.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
But to me, if I'm looking at SGA shooting, because
what he shot a ton of shots.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
Okay, so twelve to twenty, if I can get Shay shooting.

Speaker 3 (10:51):
Like you know, seven for twenty two, and I feel
great about that game, right, you know what I'm saying.
He made tough and that's what great players do. But
to me, those are the same shots almost that they've
been forcing. Like because he could if your folks, if
you could take him away from being a team player
and just have him isolate. Now again, he's the MVP,
so you go for forty and it doesn't matter. But

(11:14):
that's again we're talking about this matchup. It's kind of
odd because the Pacers jumped out to this big lead
but have been big underdogs the entire time.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
I felt like last night you saw it, Well, they're
gonna be big underdogs again and throughout the series. I'm
not gonna take any credit. Look, I picked OKAC to
win this series in Max five games. I was wavering
between a sweep and a five game series too. And
you know you're talking about a sixty eight win team
in the dominant conference against the four seed out of

(11:44):
the East. Come on, I mean, there's a reason why
okay See was huge favorites in all of these games,
including the games in Indiana. But at this point, would
I be shocked if they go back to OKAC on
Monday night and Indiana pulls out of win. No, I
would not be shocked. I still have to see a
little bit more from Okac. I would you'd be shocked?

(12:04):
I would?

Speaker 3 (12:05):
I think okay sheic I think we are looking at
an Oka See like twenty five point margin in game five.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
I like you knows Bilm was trumpeting harder for OKAC
than me. But I honestly, what I have come away
from this series is I did not see enough of OKAC.
None of us did, because it was always the Lakers
of the South, you know, the usual suspects are always
in those national games. How much OKC did I see

(12:33):
half a dozen games? Maybe all season long, you know,
and they were winning big and everything else. But I
was really going by their numbers, I mean, sixty eight wins,
margin and victory and everything else. And now when I
watched this team, I'm like, yeah, they're not that. But
just listen to this.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
Steve Pacers had five players in double figures, three more,
with eight points, led by ten with thirteen minutes left
in the game, fourteen minutes left in the.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
Game, Scott Foster took over and blew it. Yeah, the
extender took over.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
Oh my god, Bettedt Mattherin took I mean, how many
fouls could you have expected?

Speaker 2 (13:09):
What is he going to score twenty seven in every game?

Speaker 3 (13:11):
Off the expecting him to make some free throws and
at least foul to a way that you can.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
Get the ball back after the free throws. I mean,
when you think about it, Okac's got their big three
and they cruise, have a good game off the bench.
What else they have nothing? But that's why. That's I
didn't even think they played that great. They say it
was great. That's this Hey, out of this stat I
mentioned Shay Gilsis Alexander had zero cysts. They only had
eleven assists on thirty seven field goals. I mean it

(13:36):
was one on one basketball for ok SE. They so
got away with it. Again, Scott Foster the extend. This
is do not belittle Scott Foster the extender.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
On the after game one, I thought the Pacers got
a lucky win, right when you look at it, and
even when you look at the box score.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
Well, when you only lead point three seconds of a game,
and they got that lucky win, and I was like, oh, okay,
that's the one that they needed. They had this one
out of here.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
Yeah, this is the one to me, they could not
afford to give any other lucky wins. Eleven assists, three
may three pointers, yeah, eight five players in double figures,
three more with eight or more. Like, you've got to
win that game if you want to win this series.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
All right, Coming up on the other side, we're going
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all kinds of great stuff around the NFL. So what
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That's our NFL insider Adam Kaplan. This is Fox Sports Saturday.

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(15:07):
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A lot's going to change between now and the start
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(15:28):
you asked me for a Bo Jackson star. Oh yeah,
please do it, my man. A Bo Jackson story. And
I have so many Bo Jackson stories that I could
choose from, but I'll give you my favorite one. Okay.
So I was really only with him his rookie season
in nineteen eighty seven. I left the Raider organization four
games into the next year before he actually rejoined us

(15:50):
that early okay. So yes, And I remember also, I
was in my apartment when after we had signed bo
Jackson to his actual contract, my roommate there was a phone. Yeah,
we had cell phones. It's nineteen eighty seven, right, you know,
the hard And so he picks up the phone and
I think both of us had just smoked a big

(16:12):
bongload at that point, and so he answers the phone.
He's like, hello, Hello, uh yeah, hang on a second,
and he looks at me and goes, Steve, it's Al
Davis And I'm like, okay, mister Davis is not calling
me at my apartment. He had never done that, so

(16:33):
and I'm stoned out of the Jesus. So I pick
up the phone, I go hello, and I hear this
while why are they making such a big deal out
of this? Bo Jackson signing, and of course I instantly
recognized that, yes, this is mister Davis talking to me,
and I'm like, uh, this is a big deal, mister Davis.

(16:56):
You think so, you think this is uh, this is big.
I go, yeah, this is this is a huge story. Okay,
but I have to share this quick story here, Martin.
Bear with me on this one. I'm doing this forever.
So that year was the very first year I participated
in fantasy football, nineteen eighty seven, and it was a
weird year because we had the replacement games, so they

(17:20):
were eliminated from the schedule, So instead of a sixteen
game schedule for our fantasy football, it was twelve weeks
because we didn't include those games. I had the perfect team.
Everybody on my team had a career year, so the
last two weeks are the playoff weeks, and there was
good money on the line. And one of the guys
I drafted was Bo Jackson, so you know, he was

(17:43):
just scoring points like crazy. So I had the rare
opportunity to do something that every fantasy football player would
love to have, and that is actually face to face
time with a player coming off an injury, asking them
are you playing. So we were in Kansas. So we're
in Kansas City and he got hurt early in the game.

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And the next week is the playoff week, right, and
I want to play him. And I see him every
day of practice, and he's practicing, and I'm asking him
every day, how do you feel? How do you feel?
I'm good, I'm good. I'm good. I good. So we
go to the coliseum. We had a game. I didn't
need a lot out of him. I just needed something
out of him that day. And I see him warming

(18:25):
out on the field. He's in uniform, Marcus down, They're
all warming up on the field. Now the game begins.
Marcus is on the first series, which was not that uncommon.
But then the second series, Marcus is still in I'm like,
where is bo And I grab my binoculars and I
look down the Raiders' sideline. He's in his civilian clothes.
I lost that day by one point. If he had

(18:49):
for this, if he had one carry for five yards,
I would have won. Thirty eight years ago. You remember this, unbelievable.
I remember every second of it, all right, So how
soon did you good for cheating? You know what? Like
I had insider information didn't work for me exactly.

Speaker 5 (19:04):
I ask you this, did you ever do a rotistry
baseball as it was called?

Speaker 2 (19:06):
That I did? And how? But this first year I
did for Rotisserie Baseball in nineteen eighty six, I had
one last pick. I had a choice between a forty
six year old Tommy John and a young pitcher that
was coming off an injury. I went with Tommy John.
The guy that I passed on was Roger Clemens, who
that year twenty four and four was the cy Young
Award winner in the MVP. This is why I don't gamble.

(19:28):
This is why I don't. I mean, Martin's a different
cap than me, because he has good sense about these things.
But I can't do that stuff. All right, I'm don
Martin gave. I gave at him what he wanted to go.
He wanted a Bo Jackson story from thirty eight.

Speaker 3 (19:41):
You've got to be the only person in America that
has a Bo Jackson letting you down story. My everything
else is like bo Jackson climbed Mount Everest with a bone.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
Arrow the last word on. When I saw him after
the game, I go, what happened? He goes and warm up.
I felt a twinge I felt a twinch. Yeah, most people.

Speaker 3 (19:58):
I saw Bo Jackson in a baseball seven to George you,
I saw Bo Jackson hurd his hamstring.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
Yeah, so that I have other Bo Jackson, but that's
the one I'm gonna share today, quick question for you,
and then I'm gonna let Martin take over the rest
of this interview. Uh. Antonio Brown. Yeah, with all of
his off field shenanigans, and now they're seeking him out
for allegedly attempted murder. Yeah, and by the way, he
hasn't turned himself in. Should this have any impact on

(20:24):
his Hall of Fame candidacy, No, here's it.

Speaker 5 (20:29):
Well, let's put it this way. Let's see how this
comes about here. But the bottom line with Antonio Brown
is he was a phenomenal football player for several years
and then he just thought, we know, we don't have
to go back.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
I mean, I happen to believe or not.

Speaker 5 (20:42):
I was there the day in Raiders' training camp in
Napa when he had the frozen feet. Yeah, that was
certainly one of my top five bizarre stories that I've
ever been covered and seen. You know, it's really I
Antonio Brown. I remember that. I think it was a

(21:04):
twenty ten Senior Bowl, and I see this is kind
of smallest receiver five ft ten who caught everything. And I,
you know, I er heard he is a little bit immature,
but we didn't really know what would be coming down
the pike. And then you know, you go, he goes
to Pittsburgh and becomes this phenomenal football player. And then
after a series of years, he did this instagram live

(21:24):
in the locker room and it just went became an
absolute nightmare. But boy, I see, I don't vote for
the Hall of Fame. You know, you know that's not
I vote for two different polls, but I don't have
a vote for that. I'd have to look at the
numbers there was. See it's look, we have to understand
the Hall of Fame and all sports its numbers driven.

(21:45):
But see, here's the question, Steve, how much do you
take off off the field behavior into account? Now that
this this thing, we'll have to see where this goes.
Who knows, but we have we have to take an
idea of what exactly do you have as a criteria
other than numbers?

Speaker 2 (22:02):
Who votes in a Hall of Fame? I'm a numbers guy.
He's a Hall of Famer.

Speaker 3 (22:08):
I mean when I go back and read some of
the books that were written in like the early like
two thousand nine, two thousand, you know, before before the
frozen feet thing, they looked off like Randy Moss, Terrell Lowins,
Calvin Johnson, and Antonio Brown's on that path.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
It's like he for sure was. But from one guy
who's a future Hall of.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
Famer in my opinion, to Antonio Brown to a guy
who's a slam dunk future Hall of Famer and his
now warmer training camp practices. Aaron Rodgers is in the
Pittsburgh Steeler Mike Tomlin says he moves practice to the
afternoon because it was too apparently it was cold in
Pennsylvania in July.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
No, it wasn't hot enough.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
Is this When I think of Mike Tomlin and Aaron
Rodgers in general, I think of the way that those
two guys year like, in their competition amongst each other,
kind of had that quarterback head coach, they wink at
each other. They'd be like, I got yelling that one,
all right, you didn't see what was coming. There have
to like a throwaway or something like that. Is this

(23:06):
gonna be one of those moments where you probably shouldn't
meet your heroes or work with your heroes to belabor
that metaphor.

Speaker 5 (23:13):
Whatever you mean, because of his age. I mean, you're
talking about Rogers here, and at this point, I think that.

Speaker 3 (23:19):
Aaron Rodgers, to me, has shown that he does not
have a ton of respect for He doesn't have a
ton of time for people in the National Football League.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
He does not have a lot of respect for.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
He seems to have a ton of respect for Mike Tomlin,
and it seems to be the same with both of them.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
And I just wonder how you think that, Oh, no,
there's a mutual respect.

Speaker 5 (23:34):
I mean, first of all, I was at that Super
Bowl in twenty ten in Dallas at and T Stadium,
so you look, they know each other. Toma's how to
prepare for Rogers. He's going against him. He knows what
he's getting into. This is a one year solution, that's it.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
Now.

Speaker 5 (23:49):
What I find comical is, you know, people make a
big deal of signing the betting.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
The betting ots did not move.

Speaker 5 (23:54):
It's still eight and a half. The over is plus
one hundred, which means the money right now is for
the Steelers to have an under five hundred record, which
Tomlitz never had.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
That's fascinating to me.

Speaker 5 (24:06):
So the public does not think that Rogers the addition
will mean anything. I mean, honestly, talking to Steelers, they
think he clearly elevates them. That that was their thought.
Now what you should know is, boy, they tried to
get Justin Fields back, but Field's got a much better
offer from one understand from the Jets the thirty million,

(24:26):
fully guaranteed signing and a very favorable structure. So that
had a lot to do with it. But that was
the guy they should have brought back, but it didn't happen.
Russell Wilson was way down on the list. He was
an emergency, failsafe signing to come back. But that didn't happen.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
Obviously. Now with the Giants and.

Speaker 5 (24:43):
Now they got Rogers, and they also had a list
of if Rogers, by the way, retired, they were going
to make a trade, most likely for a veteran quarterback.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
All right, I have one more question here, and we're
gonna obviously talk a lot about the Cleveland situation for
good reason as we head forward, What about the quarterback
situation with the Colts? Right now? Where do we stand?
Who do you expect to ultimately be game one, week
one starter at quarterback for the Colts.

Speaker 5 (25:11):
They signed Daniel Jones's shorts, possibly they did. They really
don't want him to be the starting quarterback. I mean,
it's his contract with fourteen million. That's backup money. It's
very high in backup money.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
By the way.

Speaker 5 (25:21):
But their goal was with a healthy Anthony Richardson to
be pushed by Jones. But for Richardson to start, that's
what they want. There's no debate in their building. That's
what they wanted. This is exactly what their plan was.
But I thenk drafted Rally Leonard, the Notre Dame quarterback
in the sixth round, who's a developmental quarterback. But unfortunately,

(25:41):
with Richardson being so far behind now with yet another
shoulder problem, we're gonna have to see.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
I mean, it's to the point now.

Speaker 5 (25:49):
And by the way, let's not forget with the passing
of the owner, Jimer saying his children who are going
to run the organization? I mean, they didn't have anything
to do with him. With Chris Balder, general man are
getting hired Chris Ballard and their coaching staff here like
they got to win games here they've been very mediocre.
So on your question, Steve, this it no longer is

(26:12):
about Richard number one Jones number two.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
It's about survival.

Speaker 5 (26:15):
I know the way this works, man, twenty eight years
of covering this business. If there's any doubt with richardson shoulder,
it's going to be Jones. But again, I'm just telling
you they their goal was for Jones to push them
and for richardson get the message and for Richard to start.
But it's now in peril where he's going to start,
because it's not good that he's missing most of their
offseason program. This is not what you want in year three.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
All right, Adam, if you want to co host a
show on all the dirt and the history of the
LA Raiders, the Los Angeles Raiders, let's set it up
down the road because I got so many stories you
can't believe it. I got stories that'll make your toes curl,
crazy stuff. Good thing we didn't have social media in
those days. It would have been, oh, all right, Praisier.

(27:00):
I'm almost at that point where I can start spilling
the beans. I think, so all right, ready, it's almost there.
But that was that was That was Miller lite on
that one. Alright, I got a far, far more scandalous
step for you. All right, Adam, great stuff is always.
We're into the camps early. We got plenty of NFL
news moving forward. Adam will talk to you next week.

(27:21):
Thanks so much, your fects. That's Adam Kaplan, our NFL insider.
Now let's find out what is trending. Martin playing dual
role again on this Saturday. Caitlin Clark back in the
w NBA after Oh see, I guess you never left
the entire league. Back in the lineup is the way
to phrase it.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
WNBA. On ABC earlier today, Indiana Fever with a one
two to eighty eight win over the New York Liberty.
Liberty where nine to zero. Headed into today. They took
the loss of Brina I and asked you'd let all
scores with thirty four points, but Clark came in with
a twenty five point first half, finished with thirty two.
And golf at the US Open, JJ Spin and Sam

(28:03):
Burns are still a top the leader board here three under,
Adam Scott and Victor Hoveland also one I mean one under.
They're tied for third. Carlos Ortiz and Thurston Lawrence fifth
at even I'm sorry even they are the only golfers
that are you know, even having you know, even or
below part.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
It's been a rough day.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
It's been a series of rough days at this US Open,
which kind of as why the top of the leader
board is pretty interesting. Major League Baseball, the Orioles with
a sixty five lead over the Angels and the bottom
of the eighth inning, bottom of the eighth the Blue
Jays and the Phillies Philadelphia leaves three to two, White
Socks and Rangers. Texas came back tied at up three
to three going to the bottom of the eighth, top

(28:46):
of the fifth, right, the seven to two lead over
the Mets. Bottom of the ninth, Astros or Twins knotted
up at two a piece, bottom of the seventh on
FS one, the Cardinals have a seven.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
To four lead over the Brewers.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
Earlier today then Marlin has beat the Nationals four to three,
Reds hounded the Tigers eleven to one, Cubs double up
the Pirates two to one. A's sweep the Royals four
to nothing. The Royals have been in the world.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
They're hurt. In the Al Central four to won.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
The Braves beat the Rockies and in the NBA, Steven
Adams has agreed to a three year, thirty nine million
dollar contract extension with the Houston Rockets. The New York
Knicks planned to meet with former Sacramento Kings coach Mike Brown.
Brown formerly interviewed for their job in twenty twenty before
they hired Tom Thibodeau, and also former Memphis Grizzlies coach
Taylor Jenkins. They're going to be interviewed next week for

(29:34):
that vacant spot. Speaking of vacant spots, Calvin Piccard will
get the start over Stuart Skinner in goal for the
Edmonton Oilers. The NHL Stanley Cup Final game five puck
drops in about an hour and a half, tie.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
Two to two between the Panthers and the Oilers. And
what a series that's been, I mean, three overtime games. Unbelievable.
You're getting what you paid for there, absolutely, oh tremendous.
And it was a rematch of last year's Stanley Cup Final.
And you know, for Emonton to come up with that
win on the road that was especially here down three
to nothing, came back to win that game out on

(30:09):
the road against the Panthers once again, Fox Sports Saturday,
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your screen. Just staying with what's been going on in
this US open right now? I mean, people are like, well,
why is JJ Spawn, Why is Sam Burns? Why is
Carlos Artis? By the way, it's Tristan Lawrence, even though

(30:53):
it looks like Thristin Lawrence, so apparently it's called Tristan Lawrence.
I found out. These are the things you find out
on these when you have these names that you've never
seen before, a top a leaderboard at a major championship.
But why is this happening? You know, where are the stars?
And the answer is club round? Well, Rory's throwing his
club around obviously, Bryson de Shambo's already home. Scottie Scheffler's

(31:17):
not out of it, folks. He's at plus four. He
shot even par seventy today. He's seven shots off the lead.
I know, in ninety nine, guy named Paul Lowry came
back to win the Open Championship down ten shots going
into the final round. So it's not impossible. But really
what happens is when you have the great golfers on
the PGA Tour and they're posting twenty under whatever, they're

(31:40):
just you know, killing these courses. You got these guys
that are just sort of these journeymen, you know, they're
getting a paid check. They're getting paid him. They're not
winning tournaments, sure, but they just play a very steady,
consistent golf where you make the cut, you know, and
you get a paycheck every week. And that's who JJ
spawn is. That is who Sam Burns is. That's that's
the stress Arns. So when you're bringing the guys out

(32:03):
of that, you know, minus twenty rare fight air we
see at the PGA normal tours brings everybody else into
the mix because these guys, this is what they normally shoot,
you know, they'll shoot three four under and not twenty
under and they don't get much money. But at an open,
when the course is playing like this, where all you
have to do is essentially keep your drives in the

(32:24):
fair way, then he can get a low score. And
it just shows you the end golf.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
You know, obviously you're playing everybody else, but so much
of it is the course and yourself, right, Like I mean,
you saw that with Roy going down the Masters, right,
he was playing a lot of that was playing himself,
you know what I'm saying. As he was bungling some
of that and it ended up coming back and winning
in the playoff.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
But those putts were not if those putts were just
a two day afternoon, He's making those ninety nine out.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
Of one hundred times.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
It was the pressure, It was all at right, something
like this, This is the course.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
That The guys just seem to be not used to
and that's why you end up seeing interesting names atop
the leader board. It's almost like if you like, you
have the NBA, right, you have the NBA, and you
just have ran you know, all these players in rotation
but like the best one on one player may be
like the eighth man off the bench. He's just a
guy that has the best one on one game that

(33:22):
he's going to show you how different aspects of your
game can be highlighted depending on what's going on.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
Well, and again, the reason the Masters and Augusta National
is so special is that it creates drama. Like you
can score low rounds, you can make eagles, you can
do a lot of crazy things that can turn that
tournament around. Usually what happens at the US Open, the
winner is someone that didn't lose it. They didn't win
it so much as other people lose it at the end.

(33:50):
And you just get a sense now with a guy
like Sam Burns, who, by the way, just berdie to
take a one shot lead over JJ Spaun, these guys
are going to be paired up, most likely in the
final pairing tomorrow. And how they get hold up? I
mean these guys, nearly one of these guys has ever
gotten a sniff of any kind of major championship, much
less a US Open. Can they hold it together? And

(34:13):
then right behind him, he got Adam Scott. Adam Scott
in his mid forties and Victor Hovelin, who's one of
those guys on that short list, who's the current best
golfer too yet to win a major. So that's what's
really gonna transpire tomorrow. I can't wait to watch it.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
And just to be clear, you're not talking about Adam Scott,
the actor.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
No, this is the Adam Scott Masters Champion, who, by
the way, is appearing in his ninety six consecutive major championship.
You say that sounds pretty good. Only one golfer ever
has had more. Nicholas was in one hundred and forty
six consecutive. Tiger obviously missed him because he had injuries.
Tom Watson had the second longest streak of eighty seven.

(34:53):
So he has appeared in every single major since the
two thousand and one Open Championship a row. So I just.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
Clicked on I'm on the US Open dot com page. Yes,
Adam Scott's profile here, like you said, as an entry
for every year since two thousand and two, JJ Spawn's
profile has won. Yes, one twenty twenty one, Tory Pin's US.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
Open missed the cut plus ten oh plus ten yeah
are ten over us? Yeah? So but again, the US
Open has probably a more obscure winners than most of
the other majors. I mean, Wyndham Clark won a few
years ago when it was here in La Gary Woodland
won one, Michael Campbell, I can go down the long
list of obscure guys that have won the US Open.

(35:42):
Could be that kind of year. We'll see what plays
on the other side. Coming up on the other side, though, Yeah,
I want to get into a little of the Stanley
Cup Final with you. We cannot ignore what is already
one of the great series I think in Stanley Cup
Final history. This is FI Sports Saturday. Don't listening to

(36:05):
Fox Sports Radio Radio. Harvid Weiss. Here Fox Sports Saturday,
coming live from the Fox Sports Radio studios. Look, if
you're a die hard sports fan, I mean, just we
got a great NBA Finals, better than I expected, better
than you expected, Barton, I don't think we were thinking

(36:25):
to two series, you know, heading back to okac So
that that series has certainly exceeded my expectations.

Speaker 3 (36:32):
I mean, and for it to come from cities like
Indianapolis and Oklahoma City, oh my goodness.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
Great basketball orts.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
They were going to cancel the small market NBA Finals.
I'm glad those rumors did not become true.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
Yeah, So while that has been an unexpected pleasure, what
has happened in the Stanley Cup Final between the Oilers
and Panthers was expected, but it has even played out
better than we expected. The series opening Edmonton, Edmonton gets
the overtime loss and then the double overtime win. They
go to Florida and of course the Panthers blow them

(37:09):
out in Game three and then they're up three nothing
after one period and they're like, all right, Panthers taken
over back to back Stanley Cups. Here we go and
for Edmonton to rally and then take the lead and
then blow it on another empty net goal to tie
it up, force in overtime to win in overtime. Dry Sidle,

(37:30):
by the way, fourth overtime goal in this postseason that
has never happened in NHL history. He's like the Scottie Pippen,
you know, where dry Sidle is a great player. He's
been an MVP, you know, one hundred points every year.
He's had four to fifty goal seasons. But when you

(37:50):
play with McDavid, you're playing with the best player in
the league, and so you're not getting the recognition he's
like Pippen was to Michael because he's a legit all star.
He's one of the absolute fight. Mark Messier, the legendary
former oiler former Ranger, obviously also said these are the
two most dominant players in the league right now.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
I mean when you have a guy whose nickname is
Nick Jesus, Yes, and then you also have a guy
whose nickname was Black Jesus, Like you know, I mean,
there is right there for you when you really consider it.
And I mean, if anybody knows about the NHL Final,
it would be Corey Perry, who has been through more
NHL finals like than almost anybody.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
Right. The name is on the cup from two thousand
and seven exactly, so in five in.

Speaker 3 (38:36):
The last six years for your boy, and he's like,
this is the best one I've been a part now,
I am agin. He says that because Edmonton is the
team that you know, ended up winning that game. I
wonder if you still feel that way if he had
been on the losing end of that. But this is
our I mean, just when you look at the margin
of victory, it's incredible.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
Yeah, I mean, it's just it's entertaining. I again, I
watch all these sports you watch the postseas, and I've
always said this about the NHL. I mean, everything is
always more intense in the playoffs. We get that, you know,
it doesn't matter what sport is, you go to the playoffs,
it's more intense. But for some reason, in the NHL

(39:14):
Stanley Cup playoffs, it's not even the same sport. It's
they literally play almost a different brand of the sport.
And the overtimes are just unmatched. I mean just you
can't beat especially in Stanley Cup final, three over times
out of these four games.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
It's so physical and it's so demanding that I don't
think you can play that way for the entire regular season,
you know what I.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
Mean, you have to you almost have to play a
different way. Well, you will also watch the line change.
See this is one thing about television in hockey. You
can't see all the line changes. But Dreis Oddle comes
on the ice and he sort of like picked up
the you know, on the overtime goal and then he
comes through and just uh slides it through. It goes
off the skate. It's one of those you know, carim
shots for the game winning go phenomenal stuff. So that'll

(40:00):
be game five tonight they go back to Edmonton. Soilers
have that home ice advantage. New goalie too, because that
guy was dynamite in the overtime. That's why he's out there.
All right. We got much more coming up NBA Finals.
This is Fox Sports Saturday.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio, rolling along here
on another fully loaded Sports Saturday.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
Fox Sports Saturday. We're broadcasting live from the Fox Sports
Radio studios. Coming up here in about twenty minutes. Mark Mendena,
our NBA insider, is gonna break down Game five of
the NBA Finals, which, by the way, is not this weekend,
it's Monday. Are you okay with the scheduling of the

(40:47):
NBA Finals, Martin?

Speaker 3 (40:49):
I do think that the idea and some of the
way that things have been aligned for television sometimes I
think actually can take some of the juice out out
of it. You have a premiere product if you're the NBA.
I don't know if we have to just line it
up to where you're the only thing on that night.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
I think maybe we could sell the game a little
bit better. I agree with you. I mean, again, this
NBA Final. The only problem to me with the NBA
Finals has been the delay in getting to the next game, right,
I mean we had a phenomenal fourth quarter comeback by
OKC on the road to even up the series. I'm

(41:28):
ready to go Sunday night, right, I mean Sunday night.
That would be a good nut.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
No Monday night, especially Steve, and I do not give
see the problem with some of your conspiracy theories. A
minute you give them oxygen, they're like fire, they just grow.
I was anti, I was against your small market vendetta
prior to these finals occurring. But I will say this,
when you have a environment and like this in this

(41:55):
NBA Finals where we're learning about some of these guys
for the first time, I'll say that the immediacy of
games would help in the in keeping the momentum, right,
It would really help in that regard.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
And you've seen the numbers go up.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
If you're a type of person who swears by the
TV ratings, they have going up. But I imagine had
game two in game three been in quick summation after
game one, you feel differently about all of this, Like
we just saw a great game that has the finals
has a pivotal Game.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
Five, Right, that's what they'll be calling it.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
All next couple of days and we have to wait
and wait and wait.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
It takes a lot of the gas out of the
car for me. It was an interesting note. So the
highest rated World Series, and I understand ratings are much
different now than they were years ago, but it's a
record that will never be broken because again, we don't
have the same kind of you know, network domination we
had back in the day. But the nineteen ninety one

(42:59):
Worlds Series pitted two teams that had both finished in
last place the year before. Both last place teams that
came out of nowhere seemingly that year in ninety one.
One was the Minnesota Twins, who had won the World
Series four years before, but that was considered a fluke
and they'd fallen off the map, and the other was
a young Atlanta Braves team that nobody had heard of.

(43:22):
Both were in last place the year before. I remember
the hyke going into that series is who cares Atlanta? Minnesota?
Are you kidding me? By the end of the series,
seven game classic, one incredible game after another, capped off
by Jack Morris out dueling John Smoltz won nothing ten innings.
Game seven highest rated World Series of all time. So

(43:48):
I'm curious now as we're building this NBA Finals as
more and more people are like, hey, what's going on here?
You know this Halliburton guy, I mean didn't know much
about him, Shay Gilgess, Alexander, I know he was in VP,
but we never get to see this guy. I'm just wondering,
if this series gets to a seventh game, and I
wouldn't bet against it, now, what kind of numbers that

(44:09):
are going to see? I think it's going to be
a lot more because the I think Game one was
the lowest rated non COVID NBA Finals game ever. I
think we we could be heading to some very unexpected
high numbers if this series continues like it is.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
Uh, you know, Steve, I don't want to do this
to you, but I have to marry Ian. I need
I need focus here. Who back here has either one
of you heard or no, anyone just always heard of
a Nielsen box?

Speaker 2 (44:42):
If I tell you what is it, Neilson box? You
know what that is? Measures that measures radio audiences. Right, No,
Neil Sen's television, Arbitron's radio. There was a Family Guy
episode on it. Okay, the Neil Sin ratings and stuff
like that. And who how many viewers and all that.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
How many people and it's just for everyone in the room. Sure,
how many people do you know with the Nielsen box?
We have forty something of years between the two twenty
somethings back there. I'm thirty five, that's seventy five, and
I'm one hundred, one hundred and twenty years of life
experience between the four of us here.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
And how many people box? I thought it just came
through with like normal cable boxes. No, it's they Actually
I don't select Nielsen families. They get paid, by the way,
very little, but yes they get something and you hook
up the Nielsen box to your television. I don't know,
but in those days everyone had one or two TVs. Now,

(45:40):
I mean in our house, I can't even I've lost
count mt.

Speaker 3 (45:43):
It's almost like the way that ratings are calculated and
measured is incredibly archaic and outdated, to the fact that
when I was six years old on press Drive in
New Orleans, Louisiana, my grandmother was a Nielsen member and
Juley way I know anything about this because he's the
only person.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
That feels you take it seriously.

Speaker 3 (46:02):
She did, but she felt like he's the only person
all of America and I've ever known have one. So
whether the ratings are eight point nine and a half
million or that's my questioning.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
Forget all that. It's water cooler stuff, all right, the
old water cooler stuff. If people are talking, you know
how it is you're around people, I mean we're in
a building, the talk sports. I'm talking about on the street,
you know. Still, yeah, did you see the game last?
Are you hearing that? I actually believe it or not.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
Have heard that from two people who did not know
that I was working in sports.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
The buzz leading in was not there. I think by
Game three it really did grow.

Speaker 3 (46:42):
But I also think just measuring by ratings is not
necessarily the way to measure the buzz.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
Tomorrow's Father's Day, it is, and thank you. I I still,
after all these years of being a dad, and I've
been in a dad a long time. All three of
my children well into their twenties. My oldest is not
far away from thirty. I still have a hard time
grasping that I'm a father. I don't know what I expected.

(47:10):
You know, when you're when they're little kids and you're
running around, you're doing all this stuff with the kids stuff.
It's one thing, but once your children get to adult
level and they just become you know, your buddies people,
you just you know pretty much.

Speaker 3 (47:22):
You're no longer like the sole reason these people are alive.
But I figured it out on their own.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
But I had a reminder this week. So we have
three dogs, and we had to put one of our
dogs down this week. And this dog, Duke little Terrier,
was our first rescue dog. And anyone that's had to
do this with a pet, you know what I'm talking about.
It's devastating. But my daughter, who's now twenty four years old,
my youngest, this was like her dog, and she just

(47:50):
it was Tuesday and Wednesday, Thursday. I mean, she was
just breaking down constantly, and I felt myself being daddy. Sure,
you know, she's twenty four, but it's she needed daddy,
like she sought out daddy for comfort, to help consoler
during this very traumatic experience of losing our dog. And

(48:11):
it reminded me again of like why your dad, you know,
that's sort of what you do. I know, Martin, you're
you've got a big, big day coming up. When is
that big day? August night, August ninth, hanging them up. Yeah, retirement.
I would imagine you're planning to have a family at
some point. I mean, I think by August ninth they'll
have one, you know, say, I'll be married. But now

(48:32):
we're figure it out. Sheriff is expensive, it is. I
remember I had a buddy of mine. He and is
a beautiful bride. They got married with the agreement they
were never going to have children, and I lost track
of this guy and about I don't know, it was
like seventy eight years later I ran into him and
his wife and their two children. Things happen. I think

(48:52):
it's about being on the same page, being on the
same page exactly. But yeah, an early happy father's dad.
You know, for a lot of sons out there, their
dads may have introduced him to the sports world. My
dad was not a He wasn't me. There aren't many
people like me that live and breathe it all the time.

(49:12):
But he was a sports fan. He listened to a
lot of radio on the day. It's been seven years
now since my dad passed. He almost made it to ninety,
had a long life in a good Life's a good run.
That's a good run. But he took me to my
first baseball game, my first Lakers game, Dodgers game, and
you know, those are the things that you sort of build,
those first steps if you're going to be immersed in

(49:34):
the sports. Where like all of us, sometimes it's your mom,
you know it can you know it could be, but
it for most guys, it's it's usually their death.

Speaker 3 (49:41):
Well I mean that definitely, like a parent or uncle
or aunt or some type of some adult.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
What is the word I'm looking for somebody to report to.
I can't think of the word.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
Figure that is established in your life that brings you
to your first game or brings the figure thank you,
but also the for me my dad, we used to
go to the Saints games.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
Yeah, the season tickets to the Saints games.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
And we used to sit I mean, you know, you
could touch your head on the ceiling, but so and
also there next to us for years, we had season
tickets for years.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
Next to us a guy his name was Michael. He
was a high school referee.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
So I grew up watching essentially live all twenty two
angle football without knowing it right with a referee commentator
right next to me from.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
Seven years old till I got a driver's license.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
So by the time I was fifteen years old, I
was spotting out holding penalties on the other side of
the play because I had been trained, you know say,
basically ubstentially trained, and without that. I mean, it's the
reason why I never stepped through on the football field.
But I can tell you that's a penalty, and it's
sure enough Bill in individual throw that flag.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
Sports is like a soap opera because once you learn
the characters, you just keep following it. It never ends.
It just you know, it's an endless stream, and that's
the beauty of sports Soccer Radio. We get a great
opportunity to talk about everything going on in the world
of sports, including the NBA Finals coming up. On the

(51:21):
other side, Mark Medina, Fox Sports Radio MBA insider will
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(52:03):
the iHeartRadio app. All right, we're gonna move Mark Mendina.
He's not quite ready yet, Martin's he's doing a multitude
of jobs. He's like you, he's doing like, you know,
four or five jobs simultaneously, surprising sitting next to Jim
Hill right now. Well that's where he is. Oh yeah,
so guilty.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
Yes, I'll tell you that guy Medean, he's always got
an alibi.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
Well, he is going to join us, So he's probably
gonna join this in our last segment. So we're gonna
in the next demo break a little bit earlier so
that we get I don't want to short change him
because he's got a lot of talk with the NBA
Finals right now, is okay? See? And I just again,
I this whole coaching situation going on with the Knicks.

(52:49):
How embarrassing is this? You fire Tips, who is recognized
certainly as one of the better coaches in the NBA.
By the way, he has the highest career winning percentage
in regular season to have never gotten a team to
the NBA Finals, which I guess would be your knock
on the guy, by the way, the guy that was
the winningest coach of all time in the NBA before

(53:10):
Pop finally broke his record was Don Nelson. Don Nelson
never once got a team to the NBA finals, but
he took over some bad teams and made him much better. Right,
But you don't fire a coach unless you actually have
somebody better to replace him with. And for them to
get denied all these teams saying no, you can't talk

(53:31):
to my coach, You can't talk to this is embarrassing
and it's why the Knicks are who they are. They
have been mismanaged for so many years. They have this
great run this year. You know they're almost there. You
know you have one step short of making it to
the NBA finals. And you fired Tips. Okay, fine, you
don't want Tips, But who replacing them with? Because by

(53:53):
the time they actually hire someone, that person will be
what their fifth sixth choice? Ultimately?

Speaker 3 (54:00):
What is now let's just get to h let's find
the same table here, right, what about this do you
deem to be embarrassing? Or are their degrees of embarrassment. It
starts with this, Okay.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
If you're going the easy part is firing any coach.
But we and this is this is not just exclusive
to the Knicks. I see this happen all the time,
where you fire someone even after you've had a good season.
This was their deepest run in the postseason in twenty
five years, and you find yourself floundering because you don't

(54:34):
have anybody to replace them with. You thought these other
teams were going to give up good coaches so they
could coach the Knicks. Who told you that so? So
they didn't really do their homework before firing a coach
with the idea of then going out and hiring a
new coach.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
The thing that I find to be embarrassing is not
firing the head coach. And I disagree on the premise
of you have to have a new person in mind
when you fire someone.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
I think, did you should have a short line? Do
you disagree with that? I'm come, this is good.

Speaker 3 (55:10):
I'm about to explain to you, right, I want to
hear that I think you should have, at any moment
in time, potential like short list of guys that you
would like break class in case of emergency like that way,
if if if God forbid, your head coach does it
pulls an email in Boston, then you have some options
already kind of vetted. So that But like in this scenario,

(55:30):
to me, firing Tom Thibodeau is not I was surprised.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
I was not shocked or appalled or like, I just thought,
that's kind.

Speaker 3 (55:38):
Of funny that you fire a guy after you go
to the East Coffas Finals, best season, last back to
back best seasons.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
I get it.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
Whatever, uh, but I also saw that that team, to me,
had a ceiling, and I was operating under the premise
that the Indiana Pacers are much the Oklahoma City was
much better than Indiana is. And I think Indiana outplayed
New York signific through this postseason.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
And I'm a Knicks fan.

Speaker 3 (56:02):
I'm wondering what if Minnesota had gotten through here, What
if one of these other teams in the West, like
how how many like we know we are the is
what third or fourth best team in the East?

Speaker 2 (56:13):
When Boston's healthy and Cleveland's healthy.

Speaker 3 (56:16):
And we got to the East comes final bounce, So okay,
so whatever, you can't really change the lineup, right, now
because of all of the second aprons and so on.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
So the firing of TIBs not that shocking to me.

Speaker 3 (56:28):
The idea that there are coaches under contract that you
would try to poach also not that shocking to me.
What is shocking to me is how we are aware
of every single seeming interview Carr, I'm sorry, just interest
in conversation between all of these coaches who already have jobs.

(56:50):
To me, this also shows that James Dolan is running
this because the last two years you haven't heard much
about the Knicks at all in terms of these back
channel the sham sources say so on and so forth.
That to me is what's embarrassing is that we all
know that you tried to talk to Quint Snyder and

(57:11):
this coach and that coach and this coach and that
coach from TYLERU. I'm like, what, you guys don't like
my haircut or something? What is it about me that
you haven't reached out to talk to me yet? That,
to me is what's embarrassing. But like, if this all
ends well, nobody who cares.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
There is an obvious choice for the Knicks. There is
a very obvious choice for the Knicks. All right. So
you know you talk about coaches that have already won
an NBA title, right, You got Malone, you got Mike Brown,
you got Booten Holzer, Frank Vogel. Forget all those guys,
all right, because a lot of those guys have been

(57:46):
recycled since winning championships without But there is one guy
that I guarantee you is a winning higher on every front.
Knicks fans will be ecstatic. Jeff Van Gundy. He led
you to your last finals in nineteen ninety nine. He

(58:08):
was beloved by Knicks fans. He's still relevant. He got
back into coaching after his extended announcing career. By the way,
you say, well, he was away too long. Dick Vermeil
was away from the NFL for fourteen years fourteen years
and returned to coaching with the Rams and ended up
winning a Super Bowl. Ben Gunny is not even that old.

(58:30):
I don't know why you would not hire Jeff Van
Gundy to be the next coach of the Knicks. I
guarantee you Knicks fans would be excited. He would bring
enthusiasm for that team. He's got an edge to him.
I don't see why you would not hire van Gundy.
I think two.

Speaker 3 (58:46):
Also, when you consider Jeff Van Gundy, you say that
he has, you know, been away from the game sort
of well exactly sorta like he was calling all those games.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
Sure, and he was he was seeing all the teams.
He knows what all the teams are about, not you.

Speaker 3 (59:02):
Know, in doing the different broadcast and doing those broadcasts
that they have obligations.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
Are talking to the players, they're talking to the coaches.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
He's plugged into the league when you're when you're in
that position, you are plugged into the league in a
way that is I mean, it's your job to be
plugged into the league. In the league, conversely, and is
invested in plugging into you to make sure you have
the best information and the most knowledgeable information to best
sell their product as you're promoting. It's also part of
the reason why he's not doing it anymore because you
kept killing the refs. But since then he is the

(59:32):
assistant coach in Boston, I believe, and then and now
in this last season in Los Angeles with the Clippers.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
That's right, So he has.

Speaker 3 (59:40):
Not been away from the game in the way that
Mark Jackson's been away from the game.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
Now the thing I would say, though, uh this, and
he knows what it takes to win in New York.
That's a big part of it. New York is not Indiana.
New York is not Orlando. Right, You've got to have
the right mentality as a coach to be in the
spotlight of New York City. Ben Gunny's been there, done that.
He won in New York. But if you're gonna meyer

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the guy, that's the guy.

Speaker 3 (01:00:07):
The Van Gundy's been there one and when he was
there on his bench was a man with way more
hair than he has now, but the same gruff disposition
and defensive attitude. And that's Tom Thibodeau was sitting just
a few seats down at Gundy with those New York knickerbockers.
And I think that with the way that it has

(01:00:28):
seemed to me, and I'm not reporting, I am just
listening to other people talk about the reports, you know
what I'm saying, it seems to me that I don't
think that Ben Gundhy really cares for the A lot
of these former guys don't care for the way that
Thibdau was treated.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
And I wonder how much that matters to guys I
think I think that's legit. I mean, obviously Thibodeau, as
you say, Ben Gunny basically helped introduce the world to Thibodau, right,
and he doesn't want to step over the dead body.
But that being said, I'm sure if if he were
offered the job and he called Tim Gibson said you know, dude,

(01:01:02):
you know, I'm sure Thibodau would say, dude, take the job.
So I think both. I mean, Thibodeau would be pretty
immature to be like, don't.

Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
Take there's only thirty of the jobs in the in
the world, right, No, But I just but it just
seems like, you know it, just that's viable and bye
buy it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
I still all of all the I know he's still
under contract, but I just go back.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
I'll never forget watching that defense wins Championships press conference
with Nico Harrison and watching Jason Kidds sit there and
look like a kid in time out like ill. And
we've seen Jason kidd jump from organization to organization in
the past.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
We say we saw it. He's been to the finals.

Speaker 3 (01:01:41):
He saw a way to make a defense with Luka
Doncics on the court at all times, work that to me,
feels like a winning situation if I'm able to get
him into New York.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
And plus he already loves Jalen Brunson. They loved it
like they played. He coached Jalen Brunson already. So that's
when Dallas situation so interesting, is it not? Right now,
we don't know anything what's happening in Dallas. I mean,
is that a franchise that's going to move to Vegas?
I mean, you know, the ownership there have the roots

(01:02:11):
in Vegas. You know, Vegas has got teams coming all
over the place. You know in the NBA next going
into Vegas. Dallas obviously is a huge market, and you
know they don't want to The NBA does not want
to lose the Dallas market under any circumstance. But so
many different dynamics. You know, one point eight percent chance
of getting the number one overall pick and they get it.

(01:02:33):
They give away Luka Dantic for next to nothing. I
don't know something something's going on with Dallas. It's just
but the Knicks are is key for this league that
they got some momentum right now. The league is not
going to let the Knicks lose their momentum. They're going
to get the right guy. I love Van Getty. I
don't know why they would not.

Speaker 3 (01:02:50):
See again, I hate to just lean on the board
ops here.

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
Yeah, and our.

Speaker 3 (01:02:56):
Producers, yes, but in their lifetimes, they have ever seen
the Knicks win.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
A lick of anything? Right, that's correct.

Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
They ever seen the Knicks win what two Eastern Conference
Finals games?

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
Is that right? Yeah? Hey, I saw them win the
Carmelo Anthony sweep state exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:03:13):
So it's just amazing how the NBA was able to
withstand twenty five years of aneptitude by the New York Knicks.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
It's still here, still strong. They can survive, but they're
better with the Knicks being relevant. It's been a quarter century, Steve,
but then as a little bit better. Well, they're relevant now.
They got to the Eastern Conference Finals and if they higher,
Van Gunny, they might get the next step. All right,
let's find out what's trending right now. Oh Martin is here? Martin?
How you been man? It's good to hear you update

(01:03:45):
this on a very busy day in sports.

Speaker 3 (01:03:46):
I'll tell you what. The White Sox have won seven
games on the road.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
Now, what's going on?

Speaker 3 (01:03:52):
And they are fighting like hell to make it eight
bottom of the tenth inning. Right now, they.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
With the with White Sox and the Rangers four to four.

Speaker 3 (01:04:02):
Now Texas does have the bases loaded, but this has
been a comeback from behind for both teams games, so
it's been very interesting to see. We'll see if the
White Sox can force the top of the eleventh. Top
of the eighth inning, the Rays doubling up the Mets
eight to four, Red Sox with a one nothing lead
over the Yankees on Fox and on the West Coast
on Fox at the Padres and Diamondbacks. That's scoreless both

(01:04:23):
of those in the top of the second inning. Earlier,
the Marlins beat the Nationals four to three, Reds eleven
to one over the Tigers, Cobbs two to one over
the Pirates Orioles to come from behind six to five
win over the Angels. Phillies came from behind and beat
the Blue Jays three to two. Astros with the three
to two win over the Twins, Royal scuffling right now
got beat lost to the A's four to nothing. Cardinals

(01:04:45):
with a eight to five win over at Milwaukee, and
Atlanta beat Colorado four to one in the w NBA
Caitlin Clark made her return to the lineup due after
a left squad injury one two to eighty eight to score.
They beat the Liberty. Nobody were undefeated going into this.
When Indiana finishes at five and five, it's her third
home win on the year. Kaitlin Clark with thirty two

(01:05:07):
points twenty five in the first half. Sabrina I and
Su led all scores with thirty four points. NBA News,
we were just talking about it. The Knicks plan to
meet with former second winner Kings coach Mike Brown, who
interviewed for the job right before Tom Thibodeau did, and
Memphis Grazzlies coach Taylor Jenkins next week for their head
coaching job. As Steve Hartman shakes his head in disgust

(01:05:28):
hire Jeff Van Gundy, he says.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
You know Mike Brown when he was coaching the Lakers,
and super nice guy, like really a great guy and
a good coach. But no, Mike Brown in New York
is not going to work. I promise you. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:05:41):
Game five, Eastern Conference Final, I'm sorry. Game five starts
eight pm Eastern of the NHL Final. The Orielers made
a goalie changed Calvin Piccard getting the start over Stuart Skinner.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
That's two to two between Edmonton and Florida. Back to us,
all right, back to us once again. This is Fox
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(01:06:12):
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show posted right after we get off the air. So
this us open. We're down to the last three pairs
out on the course and Adam Scott is now tied
for the lead. Adam Scott with JJ Spawn and Sam

(01:06:35):
Burns and Victor Hovelin. Just a shot back, all right.
If I were to say which one of those four guys,
you gotta believe that Hovelin and Scott, right, they've got
to be the favorites over Spawn and Burns.

Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
My guests would be Hoveland. But I am now officially
rooting for Spawn.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
You're rooting for JJ Spawn, who, by the way, is
a guy from San dimas here in southern California's an
LA guy. No, she's still like an LA guy, like
Paul George is a LA guy. But I'll allow it.
You know, he's not a Michigan guy. It's definitely not. No,
But I'm rooting for JJ. You're going for JJ Spahn.
Well he's again, don't forget. It's not like JJ spond

(01:07:16):
hasn't done anything. He lost a playoff to Rory at
the Players Championship this year, so he got to the
playoff a playoff against Roy mcelray at the Players Championship.
So JJ Spahn has been there. But the Adam Scott
story would be unreal if this guy, after all these years,
were to finally win a US Open. Yeah, especially when
you consider how many it was, ninety six ninety six

(01:07:39):
straight major.

Speaker 3 (01:07:42):
What do you think if you done anything besides maybe
brush your teeth or sleep ninety six days in a row.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
Well, I used to work every single day through in
sixty five days in a row. You know how I am?
How long was How long was your longest street, Kyle Ripken?
I would say, well, basically I had a seven week,
seven day a week work schedule for twenty years. You
know what, Actually it was twenty four years cut that
I actually had a scheduled work day every day. That

(01:08:11):
is twenty four years, you said, twenty four years, seven
days a week between radio and TV, some some both
at the same time. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
People are like, I think that's fifty nine This might
be just under sixty thousand hours.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
It's about it working, Yeah, I dare say. There's obviously
there's a lot of veterans in sports radio over the years,
guys that I've known forever. I don't know many have
done more hours of sports fucker radio. It's it's pretty lengthy.

Speaker 3 (01:08:44):
And see, Steve, that's why sometimes when you come off
with these crazy conspiracy theories, I gotta make sure to
well something, you've been doing.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
This for a long time. But you'r of your voice
and record, Steve. But the thing about it is is
that when you've been around as long as I have,
you start seeing trends. Sure, and it's whether you believe
in conspiracies or you don't. You can't ignore coincidence that

(01:09:13):
seems to occur over and over again. Okay, something's going on,
and so you know, and being on the inside the
one thing about my background sort of being in on
the inside of things before being a reporter of what's
going on, is that you know stuff is going on
behind the scenes. I mean, I work for the Raiders,
so I mean it's you know, a lot of stuff

(01:09:34):
going on there. Sam Burns, by the way, just birdied
the seventeenth hole, so he now is a one shot lead.

Speaker 3 (01:09:41):
But sir, you don't think that potentially the correlation of
maybe and maybe this is an indictment of an in
and of itself before I start, but maybe that Scott
Foster is one of the better referees in the NBA,
which is why he gets the more pivotal game assignments.

Speaker 2 (01:09:59):
Tim Gutt, Tim doneghe is the guy that blew the
lid open on officiating the NBA because remember this, they
were not investigating Tim donaghe. They discovered what he was
doing through an outside investigation about something completely unrelated. Otherwise
Tim donaghue would still be doing what he was doing,
still being an NBA official. So I don't know how

(01:10:20):
close they monitor their officials over the years, and I've
known a few of them personally. I've known one of
the best that did absolutely nothing wrong. In his thirty
years in the NBA, will not mention his name. Bill Spooner,
dear friend. Okay. On the other side, we're going to
get a little more insight and what to expect. Game
five NBA Finals Monday Night, Pacers Thunder. Mark Bendine, our

(01:10:43):
NBA insider, will join us. This is Fox Sports Saturday,
Fox Sports Saturday. Steve Harbin, Martin Weiss with you. Want
to thank Mary Mac today. I want to thank Ian today.
Want to thank mister update, Martin Weise, the out other
Martin Weiss working today. You know, Steve, you can say
I am many men. You are many men. So corny

(01:11:06):
playing at the highest level. Get it? I know, I know,
I don't get it. It's going right over me. All right,
ladies and gentlemen. Showing us right now is a man
that needs no introduction, So I won't give him one. No,
I'm not do that. Mark Medina is our NBA insider
for Fox Sports Radio. Mark, look at I'm the first

(01:11:28):
to admit I did not see this kind of NBA
Finals at all. I mean I went into the finals
thinking you got one team that won sixty eight games
by an averager thirteen points a game. In the vastly
superior Western Conference, going against the four seed out of
the East. I'm smelling like sweep. Maybe I'll give Indiana
one game, And yet here we are too too heading

(01:11:51):
back to Oklahoma City. The fact that Shay Gildess Alexander,
if there was any doubt about his value, that was
put to rest with his unbelievable last five minutes a
Game four to keep his Thunder team alive in these
NBA Finals. Do you smell momentum going into Game five

(01:12:12):
or could you just see the Thunder handing home court
right back to the Pacers on Monday?

Speaker 6 (01:12:19):
Yeah, save good question. I think anything can happen. But
if I had to predict which I will, I think
that the Thunder now have control of the series because
they have home court advantage. I think on paper they
are the better team. And as you mentioned, Shake Gildas
Alexander showed last night why he's the MVP of the season. Now.
He did get away with that push off against Andrew

(01:12:39):
nen Part and gott Foster missed that. He also missed
the lou Dort push offs on Tyres Haliburton twice. But
I think even when you account for some bad calls,
shake gildess. Alexander Rose the occasion fifteen to thirty five
points final four and a half minutes of the game,
was very calm and showed everything you want a super star,

(01:13:00):
a very clutch performance with both his playing as demeanor
all round.

Speaker 2 (01:13:05):
Now Mark Medina is joining us.

Speaker 3 (01:13:09):
Normally I leave the scorcher scorching hot takes for Steve,
but I gotta get this off my chest, Mark, and
I gotta let you, gotta let me know if I'm
crazy or not. I thought the whole conversation about Tyre's
hurt Halliburton being overrated throughout the regular season and the
early part of the postseason was kind of like, all right,
only twelve guys voted for it, this is a bit much.

(01:13:31):
I think he's pretty much propably ready. He was on
the US Olympic team, so on and so forth. But
after he hit that game one shot, and I was like,
maybe now he's overrated. And I kind of felt watching
that game four down the stretch that like, if this
is gonna sound like a big knock of Halliburton. I
think that he's great, but I think that's the difference
between a top five guy and a top fifteen guy

(01:13:54):
is Tyree's Halliburton simply could not get anything going, it
felt in the second half, but especially in last six
minutes of that game.

Speaker 2 (01:14:01):
Offensively.

Speaker 6 (01:14:03):
Yeah, I think you're not crazy, Ryan, So don't worry.
I think that your analysis is spot on. And I
think that the conversation that you're talking about is he
overrated or not. I think the conversation is now is
an all star or a superstar? I think right now
he's an all star. He can be a superstar, but
he's not ready for that. But that's okay. Twenty five

(01:14:24):
years old, you're seeing the right to passage of a
star player going through his first pretty deep playoff run. Now,
he had that last year as well, but it wasn't
the same as game to the Conference finals and game
to the NBA Finals. And so what's been the interesting
trend Ryan with Tyre's this postseason is his performance had

(01:14:44):
fallen in three categories. You have clutch Tyres Haliburn, and
then you have double digital sist Tyres Helburn, and then
you have inconsistent performance Tyres Haliburn. So the idea is,
how do you melt everything together so you're either gain
one or two of those versions or both instead of
the other. And when I pose that question of people

(01:15:05):
around the league, you know, different coaches, different executives, they say, yeah,
look like he has to be better with that, has
to be more consistent, but it has more of a
product if he's still young and he's trying to figure
that out on what it takes to be consistent on
the next time face now, now, Mark.

Speaker 2 (01:15:19):
I will say this.

Speaker 3 (01:15:20):
You say some things that every so often like I
hear it and I never forget it. I will never
forget that, No, seriously, but I will never forget you.
Sharing the story of tyres Tliburton's trainer sending like motivational
text messages before.

Speaker 2 (01:15:36):
Being comes like do you how much of that do
you think?

Speaker 3 (01:15:41):
It's like the when I can't not see him in
the fifth and the fourth quarter with five minutes left
and think, well, maybe he needs to check his phone
and somebody called him a name out of his you know.

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
And then maybe he start hitting big shots. I can't
shake it.

Speaker 6 (01:15:54):
Yeah, I mean, look, I think it drew hand. When
his trainer talk to you, you would say the same
thing because one of their motivational texts that he gave
was before Nick's in Massive Square guarding Game seven last year,
and his message was, do I really need to give
you a motivational speech right now? It's Game seven at
the garden speaks for itself, and so I think that
that's part of it. The encouraging thing about Tyree is

(01:16:17):
in the clutch for the most part, he's very confident.
He knows it's go time. He knows that you can't
just try to look to pass, You've got to be aggressive.
But I think it's about putting everything together. That he
is a young player that sometimes feeds off of external things,
whether it's true handling gain in his head and feeding
him these quotes or challenging him or looking at stuff

(01:16:38):
on social media. Really the great ones when you look
at someone like Michael Jordan or other superstars, they might
look at those things to just get yourself going, but
they're internally motivated. They don't need external things because he's
making He's making stuff up just to give himself some

(01:16:59):
topy off the Sunday. But the Sunday is his internal
drive and high set of expectations for himself. So I
think Tyres will get there, but he still has to
figure that out that he doesn't need to rely on
other people's feedback to get him going. It's more about
gain himself going.

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
When it looked like the Pacers were in control of
Game four, about to take a three game to one
series lead, I was fully prepared to come in today
and just absolutely slayh Dagnault and call for his immediate firing.
I don't get this guy at all. I really don't.
I'm trying to figure out. Look. I mean, you know,

(01:17:39):
the whole Billy Donova thing he left. This guy was
a G league coach, He never played college basketball. You know,
he was a manager on a college basketball team. The
whole story. And he takes over Okay, see when they
were terrible and obviously the beneficiaries of that incredible Paul
George Tree to put you know, pieces in place for
them to be where they are right now. But looking forward,

(01:18:03):
is he the best guy? I mean, I mean we
could have said the same thing about Spolstra back in
the day, and it proved that Eric Spolstra was that
kind of coach. Is dagnall that? I mean, do you
believe this is a guy that could end up rattling
off multiple championships three or four championships with not only

(01:18:24):
the talent that Okase has, but with five number one
picks over the next two years, ten over the next
five years, they can completely reload. Is he the right
guy to lead this team to maximize their potential?

Speaker 6 (01:18:40):
I think so. I mean walk unless Steve Kerr or
Bill Jackson or Greg Popovich want to come out of
nowhere and say, hey, let me coach the thunder Mark
Daganol is the right coach. I think that he's made
some tactical mistakes with overthinking starting case in the wallace
to start the series because he's thinking, you know what,
in today's NBA, let's go small, Isaia Hardenstein, chev holmbergnerre

(01:19:04):
the guys that got you there. And I think the
fact that he went to that lineup yesterday showed that
admission that this is all hands on deck, almost must win,
let's not mess around. But I think the bigger picture
is that he's shown that he has proven and more
than just that G league coach, that he has known
how to earn the respect of young NBA players and

(01:19:25):
really be on the forefront of playing a major part
in their development. When you're looking at Shay as well
as guys like Jalen Williams.

Speaker 3 (01:19:34):
So I don't want to cut you off, Mark, but
I do want to ask you this. We only have
two minutes left here, because I think a big reason
why they won that game was putting putting jub on
the ball.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
Do you see that happening again in game five? Or
he with be a counter.

Speaker 6 (01:19:48):
I could see it happening because Jalen has prepared himself
to be on and off the ball, having that two
man game with Shay to reduce some of his work
well being able to assume the ball. So I think
because of Jalen.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
Mark, I'm gonna have to cut you off. We're at
five seconds ago, not two minutes. Thanks so much, Mark Medina.
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