May 17, 2024 • 37 mins
On today’s episode, Jason discusses the Minnesota Timberwolves’ blowout win over the Denver Nuggets in Game 6 and what – if any – drama we can expect in Game 7 on Sunday. Later, former NFL safety and NFL analyst Tank Williams swings to discuss what it was like playing against Peyton Manning and with Tom Brady, his transition from the playing field to the media space, the NFL’s generally complicated relationship with gambling, why he’s predicting we’ll see a Super Bowl rematch between the Kansas City Chiefs and the San Francisco 49ers and much more! Finally, J-Mac closes the show with his Best Bets for the Friday and Saturday night NBA Playoffs action.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
This is straight Fire with Jason McIntyre.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
What is up straight fire, fam, It's me Jason McIntyre.
Straight Fire for Friday, May the seventeenth. Another blowout in
the NBA last night, much closer game in my men's league. Yes,
I will talk about that. Why not? And we got
a great interview today with a former NFL player. I
think you're gonna like it. He likes the Niners a
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lot this year. And I'll just say this, we haven't
interviewed anyone on the pod who has rehabbed with Tom
Brady before. Yes, that happened to our guests, who we'll
get to later. At the end, we'll do best bets
for Pacers Knicks game six tonight and then Okase versus
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Dallas Game six on Saturday. But we will start with
Anthony Edwards and the I don't even know what to
call them, the free wheeling Minnesota Timberwolves. I mean, what
do you say about a forty five point dusting of
the defending champions. I mean, goodness, gracious, the Timberwolves essentially
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fall down in the first few seconds and then absolutely
take over the game. It is a bloodbath by the
end of the first quarter. Was never closed, and we
get yet another blowout in the series. Timberwolves role one,
fifteen to seventy. It kind of sort of felt like
once the third quarter was happening that Denver was just like,
all right, you know what, let's just circle back. We
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can't cut it to single digits. This is a wrap.
Jamal Murray still can't get going four of eighteen, and
you know, listen, Anthony Edwards is phenomenal with twenty seven,
including one of the great moves you'll see of the postseason,
filthy heavy against Michael Porter Jr. And then he soars
in for the dunk. He was a plus four three.
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Is that like an NBA record? I don't know. I've
seen a plus forty three. I don't know. What can
you take from the series. So Timberwolves win Game one
by seven, win Game two by twenty six. The Nuggets
then win Game three by twenty seven. The Nuggets went
Game four by eight, Nuggets win Game five by fifteen,
and now this just epic beatdown in Game six. So
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we're looking at a series where there have been and
Rob and I tried to crunch this. It looks like
there were less than two minutes of clutch time as
defined by the NBA in the entire series, and that
would be in Game one, Minnesota was up five and
then it was cut to three, and they cut it
to three on another occasion, but that was only briefly,
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and that's it the entire series. We haven't seen key, interesting, clutch,
edge of your seat possessions in the fourth quarter since
Game one. And there weren't really, you know, it wasn't
like a minute left, oh my gosh, one possession game
like member Lakers Nuggets, just scintillating stuff. There wasn't. There
hasn't been any of that. However, the obvious parallel is
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the twenty sixteen finals the Golden State Warriors and the
Cleveland Cavaliers, essentially six blowouts. Now, there was the Draymont suspension,
there was the Andrew Bogot injury. Things happened. That being said,
Game seven was a close, ugly, low scoring thriller won
by the road team Cleveland. Of course, Kyrie Irving hitting
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the bleak Big three. And I don't know, Robi, it's
tough for me to make a case for Minnesota going
on the road to Denver and taking down the defendant champs.
I know they did already win twice in Denver, but
we're talking about jokicchen a game. It just feels like
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there's no way he lets them lose. Now, listen if
Jamal Burray goes four of eighteen and all of a sudden,
Aaron Gordon can't get unlocked and Michael Porter Junior has
been essentially a ghost of late like, I don't know,
maybe do they have an off offense? We'll see. I'm
trying to call up the line, Rob without looking, do
you want to guess the game seven line for oh Man,
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is it on Monday? No, it's on Sunday. But what's
your guest for the game seven line? My guess would
be Denver minus four? Yeah, nailed it, Denver. Last four
looks like it could go to four and a half
Denver blowout. I mean the last Oh oh, by the way,
what about Warriors Kings? Now that series had closed games
last year in the first round, Warriors have to go
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to Sacramento. Everybody thinks Sacramento is gonna win, and Curry
goes for a fifty burger. Huh.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Yeah, Curry was the only guy who played good in
that game. Fire a call pretty much yeah for either team?
As far as this one goes, I think you can
count on Anthony Edwards showing up because he's just mentally
built different than almost anybody in the league. I think
you can absolutely count on Nikola joki showing up because
heading into last night's game, his history and closeout game
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was almost impeccable, at least individually, like he always comes
and puts on a massive performance. And one thing I saw,
I don't know if it's true or not, because honestly,
I turned the game off about the start of the
fourth quarter. I had no interest in watching it anymore.
But there were some photos floating around online after the
game that showed Nikola Jokic in the fourth quarter standing
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on the baseline watching the action, and according to multiple
different you know Twitter people, he didn't sit down once
the fourth quarter. He was just standing there, staring watching
the action unfold, no matter what was going on, and
as the lead was ballooning and ballooning and blooning. That
to me sounds like a serial killer, like he can't
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even relax and be like, hey, I put in my work,
it wasn't enough. We'll get him a game seven.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Like no, he is just standing there, fuming watching his
team get battered into oblivion. So I'm expecting a massive
Yolkic performance. Then again, to your point, it's not going
to matter if Jamal Murder isn't show up. But he
did not show up in Game six. I saw this
stat early this morning. Jamal Murray in this postseason is
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averaging nineteen point three points per game on twenty point
two field goal attempts. Only Bob coosey fifty one and
John Havlicek in sixty five have averaged less points per
game on over twenty plus attempts in a single playoff run.
Not good for my got, Jamal Murray. Yeah, we we know.
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It's very difficult to go back to back in any sport.
There are gonna be bumps. It's just difficult. So last
year they I think they got pushed most by the Suns.
Even though the Lakers had the toughest sweep ever or
whatever they called it, the Sun's pushed them. Well, now
this year the Lakers really pushed them, and now the
Timberwls have forces to Game seven. I'm sorry, folks, I
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don't think this team is unbeatable and I am gonna
stick with my prediction. If the MAVs get by Okac,
and I think Rob and I probably agree we'll do
best bests later. I think they will. But I can
see the maps in Denver again. This this, let's be real.
This is not as good a Denver team as they
had last year. That's an undeniable fact. When you look
at the metrics. The Denver starting five, okay, one of
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the best starting fives in the NBA. That's Gordon, Porter, Jokic,
Murray and Caldwell Pope. They are minus fifty in one
hundred and ten minutes in this sea minus fifty. Now, yes,
you could say, hey, Jay, some of that is Game
two combined with Game six. Okay, what about the other
four games? Like that ain't great? I mean, listen, get
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Anthony Edwards from sleep, get in a hyper bear chamber.
He's gonna probably have to play forty forty two minutes,
maybe more. Maybe he's gonna have to go all forty eight.
I don't know. Mike Conley back was obviously key. Thirty
one minutes, zero turnovers for Conley. I I'm sorry, I
just don't have a bet now. But I'll just say this,
I don't see Anthony Edwards rolling over this probably ends
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up with one of these Jordan rules type games. Remember
how the Pistons would just be like, you know what,
we're not letting Michael Jordan beat us. We're gonna body
slam him every chance we can, and he's gonna have
to work hard as hell, and we're gonna say, you
know what, Carl Anton Towns beat us, Mike Conley beat us.
Jada McDaniels, can you hit shots in a game?
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Seven?
Speaker 2 (08:13):
McDaniels was great last night. But anyways, we'll do best
bets at the end. But without further ado, let's get
to our guest, former NFL linebacker safety Tank Williams.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
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listen live. You know, Jason likes to think he knows
everything when it comes to sports.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
I know what sports fans want, but for.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Everything he doesn't, he knows the guy who does.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
Let's just say I know a guy who knows the
guy who knows another guy.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
All right, let's welcome into the pod. First time guest.
He played for three different teams in the NFL. Titan, Vikings, Patriots.
Tank Williams first team All American in two thousand and
one at Stanford. Wow, big time Tank? How you doing man?
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (09:08):
Pretty good man. Yeah, that's one of my claim the fames.
You know, John Lynch was a hell of a player
that played safety at Stanford, But I don't even think
Lynch was first team All Americans.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
So I like to hang my hat on that at
least a.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
Little bit, even though he pretty much eclips me in
everything else football related.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
But at least I got that.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Yeah, nice. Nice. So one of the tough ones is,
so you played for Titans, Vikings, Patriots, three different teams
when it's Sunday this fall, do you find yourself rooting
for one? I mean, you played first with the Titans,
they drafted you, and then it was Vikings and Patriots.
But do you do you have pledge of allegiance to
either of those three?
Speaker 5 (09:42):
If I got fantasy players on those teams, I do.
Otherwise I really don't care. I mean I would say
like once those teams play well and say they're in
the playoffs, then I may have a little bit more
root and interest for one of those versus the others.
But Ultimately, I just like to see good football. And
I would say that my mom, given that the Patriots
cut and that was the last team I was with,
my mom hates the Patriots. So they do badly. Yeah
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she's partying, but yeah, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
They're going to be doing pretty badly. It seems, you know,
it looks like they have the one of the lowest
win totals in the league. I don't know what was
your time like with the Patriots. It wasn't long, but
you know, you sign a one year deal, kind of
had the injuries. I don't know what was it like
playing for Belichick.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Yeah, I had a cup of coffee, but it was cool.
I would say this.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
I would say that, as you probably noticed during the draft,
Bill Belichick has a lot more personality than what a
lot of people would suggest.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
You know, through the media and what he would give.
Speaker 5 (10:35):
You in the media as a head coach, he gives
you a little bit more now as an analyst. And
then that at the same time, when I was with
the Patriots, I told my ACL and it happened to
be the same year that Tom Brady to his ACL
in Week one. So my claim to fame is that
I was rehabing with Tom the entire offseason, and so
he was back and forth between LA going overseas getting
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treated like that, like I was stuck in Fox Brother time.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
But you know, Tom was cool. He invited me to
the house.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
What time I got to TV twelve treatment before everyone
else had Alex working on my knee and stuff.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
So I would say that Tommy boy is really cool. Peeps.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Nice, Let me ask how come you didn't go overseas
to get the treatment he.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Got because that's TV twelve. I mean, I'm just tank Woods.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Well, you know you can maybe try to latch on,
you know, yeah, no, no, that that's fascinating. I mean,
you know you'll be able to tell that story to
like your grandkids. You know that that's pretty Hey, I
rehabbed with Tom Brady.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
Yeah he's better.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
If I could say, I want to bring with him,
but you know, I guess rehab is the next best thing.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Yeah. So let me ask, So you were again three
different teams when the schedule came out when you were
playing in the league. You know, fans love it, media
loves it. Talking point Now, gambling's big, so, but fifteen
twenty years ago, when the schedule came out, I mean,
was just like appointment television with their team. Do you
remember it being a big deal.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
Oh, it's always a big deal because the first thing
the players do is they look to see what Monday
night games they have, Sunday night games. You just want
to make You want to be on the stage when
you do the only game on TV, so you can show
out for your family, show out for your friends, show
off for other folks that are in the league.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
And so I think that's still the case.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
Whenever the schedule is released, all the guys are going
to see when their divisional games are. When they're playing
on Monday night, now it's Thursday night, Friday night, and
in some cases, you know, all the other nights that
we have in NFL has taken over the entire week.
But you just want to be able to play on
prime time where you the only game out there, because
when you show out there in front of everyone on TV,
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then that's when you get the endorsement deals. That's when
you get the big contracts, especially if you play well.
So that's what the players I like.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yeah, well that's a kind of insight that I didn't expect.
I mean, I was expecting more of like, oh, we're
circling this game because we hate the Raiders, or oh,
you know, one of those deals. Maybe that's like second
or third, third tier stuff.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
That's a given.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
I mean, so, you know, I played for the Titans
my first four years in the league, and it's a
given that we hated the coach.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
We hated peyton Man because the dude was.
Speaker 5 (12:59):
So good, and they always a team that you know,
was trying to keep us from winning a divisional title
every year.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
I mean, so that's a given.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
But at the same time, if you're going to have
a marquee game, like we played the New England Patriots
on Monday Night Football and I remember that was my
rookie year and Javine curse. He was hurt like three
or four weeks leading up into that game, and he
happened to come back for Monday Night Football and they
announced the defense, so I got to run out on
Monday Night Football as a starter. Then they announced the
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freak last and he came out the tunnel with his
helmet off, dropped down to his knees, and you could
just feel like it seemed like everyone in the stands
was just on the field with us and we won
the game right there. I mean you could just tell
by the introduction, and so I think those types of games,
those type of atmospheres are what you look out for
when the schedule was released.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Nice. Let me quickly ask you about coming out of college.
So you were, you know, again at Stanford, and you
were kind of one of these hybrid safety linebacker types,
similar to a Cam Chancellor. And I've always heard that
NFL teams are kind of dumb when it comes to
the draft. They see people as that guy is a
slot receiver, that guy is a reguard whatever. They don't
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see what players can be. I'm just curious going back
to you coming out of college, did you get kind
of pegged as well, we don't really know what he is.
We can't put him in a box. Or did you
have to kind of sell yourself as dude, I can
be a Swiss Army knife, I can do anything, you know.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
It's interesting.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
I mean I think that really is the case when
I was drafted because I was a larger guy. Automatically
they just want to put you in the box as
like a box safety. But at the same time, I
ran a four to three eight at the combine, so
I was really fast. And you know, it's interesting that
you mentioned that because I remember talking to a defensive coordinator.
I can't remember who it was, but he told me
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that if their team drafted me, he would have played
me at cornerback my entire first year, just to get
me comfortable there on the outside, and then they would
have used me as pre safety, strong safety in the slot,
and then a pinch at cornerback as well. And obviously,
I think at the end of my career, just because
I was the largest safety, I could have played a
little bit of weak side linebacker. Actually, when I got
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to the New England Patriots, Bill Belichick had me playing
the star position, which is basically like a mic linebacker
that's lined up eight yards behind the ball. So I
think a lot of these coaches they tried to find
ways to scheme up, you know, scheme up things strategically
for the athletes that they have on that roster and
try to take advantage of those skill sets. And I
think that's what's the most important thing for really great
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coaches is just having a good idea of the skill
set that you have on your roster and been able
to get the most out of each one of those players.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
So Belichick saw you for what you could be. Did
the Titans do you feel they did.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
A little bit. I mean, I think I played well
with the Titans. I also dealt with some injuries there,
but I think that they probably could have used more
of my skill set. When I was in Minnesota, I
was really intrigued to go there because the defensive core
of that my first year was Mike Tomlin and that
was the one year he was defense coordinator before he
went to his Verse Tills to take the head coaching job,
and so that was the reason I went to Minnesota.
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I didn't know him from the Canna paint until I
went on my free agent visit.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
I was like, man, I have to play for this dude.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
He was that compelling And I ended up getting injured
my first year in Minnesota. But I would just tell you,
just sitting in the meetings, the way that that dude
understands ball and at the same time, the way that
he can convey his message to the players, You see
why he's had the success that he has in the
league right now. So I think guys who had that
great understanding of the game that can also relate to
the players and also maximize their potential between the white lines.
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Those are the coaches that have the most success in
the league, and it really shows when you have guys
like Mike Tomlin and the Bill Belichicks of their life.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Wait, so you're telling me you went you didn't really
know who Tomlin was. You go to Minnesota on the visit,
you meet him, and you were sold by the defensive coordinator.
That's crazy.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Yeah. Yeah, so by the defensive coordinator.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
I'm not sure if you remember Brad Childres was the
head coach at the time. Yeah, there's some controversy. I mean,
we had the wide receiver Williamson. I can't remember his
first name, but Troy Williamson. Yeah, Troy Williamson. And so
his uh, I think his grandmother raised him or something
like that, and his grandmother passed away and he went
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to the funeral and like the coach just like dog
walked him for some reason. He pretty much lost the
team like right there. I mean it was one of
those things where after he kind of got fired from
the Vikers, he worked as like an assistant for Andy
Reid and some of these other guys because he was
an assistant under them before he got the head coaching job.
But I mean I kind of figured that he wouldn't
get another head coaching job after that, just because of
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that dynamic that we had with the team, because we're
like man like. I understand like Troy had some drops
and things like that, but when you nail a kid
like that because he had a relative that was close
to him that passed away and then you just kind
of give him a hard time. It was just one
of those things that really didn't sit well with the team.
But then there was also one of those issues where
I've been on some teams where you have you have
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to deal through a little adversity whenever you play football,
and a lot of times you have one side of
the ball that picks up the other. I would say
that my time at Minnesota was one of the rare
occasions where you would have like a little bit of
divisiveness between the offense and the defensive side of the ball.
And I think a lot of times leadership can showed
that up from the head coach position, and so I
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think just dealing with that and then some of the
issues that some of the players had with the head coach,
I enjoyed the like Mike Tomlan some of the other
assistant coaches that we had on the team, But I
just feel that Children really didn't do a good job
of leading that team, and we didn't have an opportunity
to kind of reach the attention that we did because
Adrian Peterson was a rookie my first year there, and
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that dude was phenomenal, and so even though we didn't
really have like this star quarterback at the time, I
feel like we could have done a lot better, but
there was just too much going on underneath the shell
of the team that prevented us from reaching our ceiling.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Wow. So I just looked up the Brad Children's incident.
I totally forgotten about that. But were you in Minnesota
when that love boat incident happened?
Speaker 4 (18:53):
I was not.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
You went there after that? Is that why you went there?
Speaker 4 (18:57):
You were like, Oh, I didn't or any parts of that.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
But I'm sure players knew about it around the league,
of course, of course, but I'm sure that that's more
common than we think. They just somehow got busted, right.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
Probably, So I'm I'm an hit my Dave Chappelle, what two, three, four?
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Yeah, quite a sentiment did you witness de Troy Williamson
Childer's thing.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
I mean, I wouldn't say that I witnessed it, like
I was there when it happened, but I would say
that like we heard about it, and then I think
you got addressed in the meeting, if I'm not mistaken.
But then even the way that it was addressed in
and meeting, it was just kind of off putting to
all the players on the team, and so it was
just kind of like a downward spiral from that.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
Like I can't even remember the exact details. I remember
she took.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Away a game. It looks like he took away a
game check from Williamson.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
Yeah, it's because he missed the game because of his
grandmother I passed away.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Yeahma died.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
I mean, come on, she was the one that raised him.
It was just like a totally messed up situation.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Yeah, all right, So let's fast forward to the end
of the year career, you're done with football. I'm on
at FS one with athletes all the time, and they
love to talk about how man, you know, you kind
of die twice when you die at the end of
your life and then when your career is over because
the cheering stops and you're no longer getting free meals
and free jinks and drinks and women throwing themselves at you,
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And like, I don't know, you've seem to transition pretty
damn well given what I was reading about you.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
Yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
I would say that towards the lot of part of
my career, I was taking a bunch of entrepreneurship programs
to the NFL, just trying to figure out what I
wanted to do life after football, and so I always
had like this general interest in real estate, so I
kind of gravitated towards that initially. But I think the
reason I went that route versus just kind of going
into something strictly football at the beginners, because like you said,
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you just kind of die when your dream of playing
an NFL or you don't get an opportunity to reach
our potential in the NFL because of injuries, and so
I wanted to be as far removed from the game
as possible. But the way I got rope back in
was I had a bunch of college buddies who got
me playing fantasy football, and I just fell in love
with playing fantasy football. And then I went to a
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convention in Vegas and met Brad Evans, who was like
on the show of Yahoo's Fantasy Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
And so then they recruited me, and that's all working
with Yahoo in twenty fifteen. It got into fantasy and
then naturally kind of gravitated towards college football NFL analyst
work after that, and so now I do a little
bit of everything that along with sports betting.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
So let me ask you about the betting. It's kind
of popping everywhere. You're out here in California, so unfortunately,
you know, it's not air quotes legal. But I don't know,
do you Where are you on the whole gambling thing.
You know, we've seen some NBA players getting hot water.
We saw Calvin Ridley gets suspended for a season. I
don't know, man, It just it does seem a little
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I know why the NFL has to like give the
hard suspensions, but it seems a little aggressive that you
can gamble on other sports, just not at the facility coaches,
they can't gamble on anything. And then it's just I
don't know, the rules seemed wishy washy. Where are you
on the gamble?
Speaker 4 (22:16):
I think the rules are weird.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
I mean, I think it's wishywa wash it because for
the longest time, the NFL had this stance that they
were totally against gambler, just like at one point they
were totally against marijuana used just because if that's the
way that the laws were at that given time. And
so now that you know marijuana is legal in a
bunch of states, now that gambler is legal in a
bunch of states. But gambling, more specifically, it makes the
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NFL a lot of money, So obviously they want to
be intertwine with gambling. You have the Super Bowl being
played in Vegas, you have a bunch of stadiums now
that have their own sports books, you have a lot
of teams that have their own affiliations with these casinos,
and so they're getting money out of the deal. Yet
at the same time, you want to make it seem
like these games on the up and up, and so
it's just hard to try to divide that line to
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say that, yeah, we want to be in bed with
these guys, but then at the same time, we're going
to have these like strict rules and regulations on what
our players can do, just to try to justify our
coexistence with these gambling institutions. So I think it's a
great line. Understand what they're trying to navigate. It's just
going to be a little dicey, I think in the beginning.
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I won't even say the beginning. I think it's gonna
always be dice because you may have some folks who
in these situations we like the basketball player like Porter,
where he ends up giving some information to a guy
who makes some money and then everyone's going to question whether, yeah,
question whether that's happening with more than one player. So
it's just one of those evils that you're just gonna
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have to deal with once you get involved with Betan.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
I think, yeah, it's almost like the league was like,
no gambling, no gad, but wait, how much money you
guys going.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
To share with them? Exactly?
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Oh, oh okay, let's do it. Let's yeah. It just
it feels unseeming. So now, anyways, the schedules are out.
I know it's way early, it's freaking May, but I'm
just curious, do any teams jump out at you from
an over understand point and then you know who you
got in the Super Bowl and please don't say the
Chiefs for a third straight year.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
Come on, Yeah, So I wouldn't say, like the San
Francisco for a nine in this schedule intrigues me from
an over understand point, but I will say it from
this perspective. Like when I was a rookie, we played
the New England Patriots, or maybe it was my second year.
I'm trying to remember, but I remember we're actually up
in Foxborough, and you know, we got beat and Tom
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Brady was quarterback, and so the older guys like samaro Roll,
they were accustomed to Drew Bledsoe being the quarterback of
the Patriots.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
So we go into the locker room.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
After the end of the game and he's like, man,
I can't believe we got beat by damn Tom Brady.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
Like, ain't this some ish?
Speaker 5 (24:46):
And then like fast forward a couple of years later,
it was like, yo, like actually, like we got beat
by Tom Brady, who's already won the Super Bowl, and
it's like a different cat because you know Tom Brady,
you know, got drafted late in the draft and things
like that, so there was like this narrative of him,
and I think brock party is still that way.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
I remember going into the Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (25:03):
I say that there was no way that fort Nite
are going to be competitive unless Christian McCaffrey had himself
a game and McCaffrey was okay, but he fumbled and
Brock Party played phenomenal ball that made some amazing throws
and kept the team in it didn't make many mistakes,
and I think this could be the year where he
actually levels up once again. He has the opportunity to
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as well, playing against like the Jets and all these
other tough defenses early on.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
In the season.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
If he could be the guy that the team wins
because of him and without having to lean on all
these other guys, I think he can really set himself
apart and really change the narrator on how people view him.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Wow, so you got Niners over who.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
Oh you mean in that schedule?
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Well, super Bowl? I meant like more of the Super
Bowl super Bowl and that's way way early.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
Honestly, I don't I won't be surprised if the Niners
make it back. I mean, I think the one thing
that I'm more intrigued than anything else about is the
Chiefs getting back in three peating, because.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
No, before you think they could get back, I think.
Speaker 5 (26:05):
They can because I doubted them so much. I doubted
the Chiefs after they lost Tyreek Hill. They were able
to go back and win the Super Bowl, And now
I feel like they've actually improved by getting some more
offensive weapons. I mean Marquis Brown, I think he adds
an element to the offense. I understand that they're dealing
with some stuff with Shei Rice, but then you get
Xavier Worthy, you still have that defense in place. You're
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able to re sign Chris Jones. I mean, I think
the Chiefs are set up and at the same time,
I think they've dealt with as much adversity and just
people poking around as they can. Last year with the
Taylor Swift effect, like I feel like, if you can
navigate Travis Kelsey being injured at the beginning of the season,
Taylor Swift being at all the games and everything that
that involved around the team, narrative is still somehow, some
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way you win the Super Bowl in spite of all that, Like,
why shouldn't they be favorous in AFC they win again?
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Interesting? I guess the counter would be, if you remember
last year they were only eight and five after they
lost to the Raiders. I think it was like a
December game. Yeah, and they they they just couldn't do anything,
and they were eight and five and it was like, ooh,
these guys aren't great. And then Snead now is with
the I think the Titans. Yeah, I mean, what do
you think Rice is going to get four or five games?
Speaker 4 (27:16):
He could? He could. I mean, I really don't know
how the lead is going to come down on that.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
But one, you have the issue with the car, and
then but he hit someone out of club club, a
photographer something, So I mean, so there's going to be
something levied against him. But I will say this, like
I understand that they were eight and five, but when
the Raiders beat.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
Them, that was a spark. No, he got gonna run
after that. And so.
Speaker 5 (27:39):
That's the reason why I look at the Baltimore Ravens
the same way where I look at that schedule, and
I was trying to see what matchups are like. But
ultimately I'm like, I don't really give a damn what
happens to the Ravens. I don't care if they finished
with the best record in the AFC. I don't care
if they sneak into the playoffs. I think the only
thing that matters for the Ravens is that once they
get in the playoffs, they need to flip the switch
and then become some dogs and then so that they
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can go and win the Super Bowl, like nothing else
really matters after that, like people gonna believe what they
wanted to have these narratives built around Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
I think he's a phenomenal player.
Speaker 5 (28:09):
But until he wins the Super Bowl, people are just
going to hold onto these narratives that they had for
the past three or four years. So right now, the
Ravens just need to one get back into the playoffs
and then go ahead and beat the teams like the
Kansas City Chiefs and everyone else to say that they'll
get a ring and then you know, they changed the
narrative completely on how people view.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
I'll just say the other thing on the Chiefs. Last
thing is their tackle situation is dicey. So they lost
Donovan Smith. Their new tackle is one Ya Morris. He
was a rookie out of Oklahoma last year basically played
in like six games and then the right tackle was
a disaster. The kid Taylor who kept false starting all
the time. I don't know, man, two shady tackles. Travis
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Kelce turns thirty five. Probably know where she rice and
they lost sneed on defense, who was excellent. I don't
think they're going back. I don't think there's any way
to go back, but I know I'm gonna be perceived
as a hater anyways, Tank Williams, great stuff, you know,
continued success in the Bay Area. Thanks for coming on, buddy,
Oh but so appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
Thanks for having.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
The only thing better than sitting on your couch watching
the gage. He's making money while you do it. Here's
your best bet.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Good stuff from Tank Williams. Let's quickly do best bets.
Only one game tonight. Nicks PACER's word is og Annobi
will not play. He's listed as doubtful as we recorded
early on a Friday morning. I can't see it happening,
and without Annobe, it's gonna look bleak for the nixt.
So the Pacers are six and a half point favorites.
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I believe the Pacers win and cover. I think the
safer bets are probably first quarter, first half. You know,
you never know a Halliburton decides to pull an O show.
But I think the Pacers get it done here in
fourth game seven and listen, everybody wins ROB. When we
get a game seven, the concern for the Knicks rob
is the timetable, so they get an extra day of
rest for this game. But if it goes seven, the
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turnaround time is less than forty eight hours. You know,
usually to play Monday night, Wednesday night or whatever, Tuesday night,
Thursday night. This is Friday night, Sunday afternoon. That is
not ideal for a Knicks team. And again, it's not
like you know, it's not like the travels brutal. But
if the Villanova Knicks guys are logging forty two plus
minutes and then less than forty eight hours later, got
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to go back and do it again. I know you
can ride the garden crowd, but I don't think that's
going to be a blowout. I think it'll be a
difficult game. So the Knicks will push hard to win this,
but I like the Pacers to win. I'll go Pacers
one oh two, Nicks ninety four.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
So you got the Pacers to win and cover Yeah,
I don't know if I would go yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
I don't know about the cover. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
I don't know if I would go that far. I
agree with you, though, If the Knicks are going to
win this series. Their best chance is to win this
game because of that quick turnaround. And I know there
are some people most know, like stan Van Gundy's on
the broadcast, he's been ripping people about you know, wall
uh at Nikola Jokic is playing or me na which
Luka Doncic is playing forty plus minutes and Kyrie is
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playing forty plus minutes.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Well, what's the big deal about the Nicks guys? Everyone's
worried with the Knicks guys. The difference is with these.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
Knicks guys is their style of play is so much
different than what you're seeing from.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Like Luka Doncic type.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Luca is basically for the most part, playing only one
side of the basketball, right, he's just offensively. Defensively, they're
trying to hide as much as possible the way that
this Knicks team is built, because they're so shorthanded, they
are having to play balls to the wall the entire game. Basically,
like Josh hart Dot DEEVINCHENZK, I think that's why Devin
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Chenlin has been such a big slump recently. Is I
just don't know if he has the legs to play
both ends of the floor with that much aggression, and
so Jalen Brunson is doing everything offensively.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Defensively, they're hiding him a little bit. But the other
guys are having to do so much. There's so much movement,
there's so much off the ball cutting and screening and
rebounding and things that they got to do that if
they don't get it done in game six, I would
probably still pick the Knicks in Game seven because of
the home court, but I wouldn't feel good about it
and I definitely wouldn't bet on it. So for the
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purposes of this show, give me the Knicks plus the
five and a half. Oh okay, and if you're really
feeling surely so you could take and a half.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
And if you're really feeling squarely, go ahead and take
the Nicks on the money line.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Oh all right, listen, I'm a Knicks fan. I'm rooting
for a seventh game. Also, I have Haliburton in that
dumb player points pool. I also have Donovan frickin Mitchell,
who ended up missing two games, which basically kills me
unless Haliburton somehow advances. And I have Kyrie, who's basically
done nothing in the last few games anyways, Speaking of
Kyrie's Saturday MAVs four point favorites against the OKC Thunder.
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If you guys again this, if this game goes to
script the same as the Clippers, MAVs win Game five
big in La, come back to Dallas and or winning, winning, winning,
and then pull away in the fourth quarter with relative ease.
I mean, I think it was like a one or
two point game at halftime, I think, and then slowly
pull away in the third and then you know it
is Kyrie Irving show late. I keep saying, you know
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the Kyrie Irving game is coming. He is, mister close out?
What's the set?
Speaker 4 (33:19):
Rob?
Speaker 2 (33:19):
He's nine and oh or eleven and oh or something
like that in elimination games? Is that? Is that what
the phrasing is? Uh, he's thirteen and oh in close
out games, close out games, Okay, thirteen and oh. I
believe the MAVs get it done. And folks, I'm geeked.
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I don't know if you are. I'm very excited for
mas Nuggets. I think that would be a phenomenal series.
But I know, Rob Waite, hold on, Rob, you're not
officially writing off okay, see are you?
Speaker 4 (33:49):
Oh? You bet I am.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
You bet I am, And you know I'm an Okse guy.
You know I love me some shake Gillach Alexander. You
know I already claimed chet Holmgren as my definitive tall, lanky,
skinny center over went. So that battle is not going
well for me right now, but I have long term
potential with my guy chet.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
No.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
I think that the Mavericks have just been the better
team this entire series, even without Luca playing well for
most of it and Kyrie, like you mentioned, be suddenly
becoming allergic to scoring for whatever reason, this Mavericks team
has been in control of each of the last two games,
or actually the last three games pretty handily. We're not
for a crazy meltdown there in uh what was that
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Game four? This series would already be over. So give
me the MAVs. I don't worry about giving up the
four and a half points. I think Dallas is gonna roll.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
By the way, do you think MAVs haven't any chance
against Denver? Assuming Denver I mean Minnesota. I hadn't even
really thought about that.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
I think they would have a better chance against Minnesota
than they would against Denver. I don't think their front
line is built at all to deal with it.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Come on, don't do you gotta respect Derek Lively? Come on, bruh,
put some respect on his name. We know, okay, see
doesn't okay? See he needs a big guy. I like
to see it, Allen think. Also, did you see all
the wod stuff last night on Mitchell?
Speaker 4 (35:04):
I did.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
It was kind of while so that he was texting
him directly. You never get that kind of reporting in
today's climate.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Well, I think the Windhorse thing pissed off the Mitchell camp.
It was like the Nets and Lakers already have offers ready,
you know, and that Donovan Mitchell remember remember my favorite saying,
if you try to make everyone happy, you make nobody happy.
And I feel like Donovan Mitchell is stuck in this hole.
I know I want to leave, but I want to
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do it the right way. Like, that's not going to
do it, bro, It's it's not. That's not possible. You
either stay or you leave. There's no like, well, I
want to leave, but I don't want to. I don't
want to tick off Cleveland. Is that your vibe? Do
you think he wants to stay?
Speaker 4 (35:45):
No?
Speaker 2 (35:45):
I don't, and only because why would you come out.
I'm happy in Cleveland, Like, why would you even say
that season just ended?
Speaker 3 (35:51):
Yeah, I mean it's been widely reported now basically since
he's gotten there, that he had no interest in going
to Cleveland at first, that was not on his list,
and that he would not sign the extension. It's funny
that you mentioned, you know, the trying to please everybody
end up pleasing nobody. As far as I can recall,
and I have to double check this, he never actually
requested a trade out of Utah either, Like, he never publicly,
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at least that we know of, said hey, this is
not working, get me out of here. They could just
tell that he was not feeling it that you know,
they want to go in different directions, so they might
as well get rid of him, which they did. So
he was willing, at least, you know, publicly, to go
down with the ship there in Utah and be miserable
on his way out Ala Damian Lillard in Portland, like
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it took every ounce of Dame to finally try to
force his hand and they ended up in freaking Milwaukee
of all places.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
So maybe that's what he's worried about. Yeah, I don't know,
Jonavan Mitchell's going to be fascinating, and the Trey Young
stuff is also going to be There's a report from
Jake Fisher, your guy who's going been on the podcast
saying that the Spurs basically they're not interested in Trey Young. Now,
I don't know if that's smokescreen or trying to lower
the value, but it's like, whoa, who do this? Purse won?
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And I don't know this whole slow build idea. I
just hate it. Anyways, we've got long on a Friday.
It's gonna be a fiery week next week, well more
of the weekend on the Horizon back on Monday. Talk
to you then,
This is straight Fire with Jason McIntyre.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
What is up straight fire, fam, It's me Jason McIntyre.
Straight Fire for Friday, May the seventeenth. Another blowout in
the NBA last night, much closer game in my men's league. Yes,
I will talk about that. Why not? And we got
a great interview today with a former NFL player. I
think you're gonna like it. He likes the Niners a
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lot this year. And I'll just say this, we haven't
interviewed anyone on the pod who has rehabbed with Tom
Brady before. Yes, that happened to our guests, who we'll
get to later. At the end, we'll do best bets
for Pacers Knicks game six tonight and then Okase versus
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Dallas Game six on Saturday. But we will start with
Anthony Edwards and the I don't even know what to
call them, the free wheeling Minnesota Timberwolves. I mean, what
do you say about a forty five point dusting of
the defending champions. I mean, goodness, gracious, the Timberwolves essentially
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fall down in the first few seconds and then absolutely
take over the game. It is a bloodbath by the
end of the first quarter. Was never closed, and we
get yet another blowout in the series. Timberwolves role one,
fifteen to seventy. It kind of sort of felt like
once the third quarter was happening that Denver was just like,
all right, you know what, let's just circle back. We
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can't cut it to single digits. This is a wrap.
Jamal Murray still can't get going four of eighteen, and
you know, listen, Anthony Edwards is phenomenal with twenty seven,
including one of the great moves you'll see of the postseason,
filthy heavy against Michael Porter Jr. And then he soars
in for the dunk. He was a plus four three.
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Is that like an NBA record? I don't know. I've
seen a plus forty three. I don't know. What can
you take from the series. So Timberwolves win Game one
by seven, win Game two by twenty six. The Nuggets
then win Game three by twenty seven. The Nuggets went
Game four by eight, Nuggets win Game five by fifteen,
and now this just epic beatdown in Game six. So
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we're looking at a series where there have been and
Rob and I tried to crunch this. It looks like
there were less than two minutes of clutch time as
defined by the NBA in the entire series, and that
would be in Game one, Minnesota was up five and
then it was cut to three, and they cut it
to three on another occasion, but that was only briefly,
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and that's it the entire series. We haven't seen key, interesting, clutch,
edge of your seat possessions in the fourth quarter since
Game one. And there weren't really, you know, it wasn't
like a minute left, oh my gosh, one possession game
like member Lakers Nuggets, just scintillating stuff. There wasn't. There
hasn't been any of that. However, the obvious parallel is
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the twenty sixteen finals the Golden State Warriors and the
Cleveland Cavaliers, essentially six blowouts. Now, there was the Draymont suspension,
there was the Andrew Bogot injury. Things happened. That being said,
Game seven was a close, ugly, low scoring thriller won
by the road team Cleveland. Of course, Kyrie Irving hitting
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the bleak Big three. And I don't know, Robi, it's
tough for me to make a case for Minnesota going
on the road to Denver and taking down the defendant champs.
I know they did already win twice in Denver, but
we're talking about jokicchen a game. It just feels like
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there's no way he lets them lose. Now, listen if
Jamal Burray goes four of eighteen and all of a sudden,
Aaron Gordon can't get unlocked and Michael Porter Junior has
been essentially a ghost of late like, I don't know,
maybe do they have an off offense? We'll see. I'm
trying to call up the line, Rob without looking, do
you want to guess the game seven line for oh Man,
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is it on Monday? No, it's on Sunday. But what's
your guest for the game seven line? My guess would
be Denver minus four? Yeah, nailed it, Denver. Last four
looks like it could go to four and a half
Denver blowout. I mean the last Oh oh, by the way,
what about Warriors Kings? Now that series had closed games
last year in the first round, Warriors have to go
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to Sacramento. Everybody thinks Sacramento is gonna win, and Curry
goes for a fifty burger. Huh.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Yeah, Curry was the only guy who played good in
that game. Fire a call pretty much yeah for either team?
As far as this one goes, I think you can
count on Anthony Edwards showing up because he's just mentally
built different than almost anybody in the league. I think
you can absolutely count on Nikola joki showing up because
heading into last night's game, his history and closeout game
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was almost impeccable, at least individually, like he always comes
and puts on a massive performance. And one thing I saw,
I don't know if it's true or not, because honestly,
I turned the game off about the start of the
fourth quarter. I had no interest in watching it anymore.
But there were some photos floating around online after the
game that showed Nikola Jokic in the fourth quarter standing
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on the baseline watching the action, and according to multiple
different you know Twitter people, he didn't sit down once
the fourth quarter. He was just standing there, staring watching
the action unfold, no matter what was going on, and
as the lead was ballooning and ballooning and blooning. That
to me sounds like a serial killer, like he can't
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even relax and be like, hey, I put in my work,
it wasn't enough. We'll get him a game seven.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Like no, he is just standing there, fuming watching his
team get battered into oblivion. So I'm expecting a massive
Yolkic performance. Then again, to your point, it's not going
to matter if Jamal Murder isn't show up. But he
did not show up in Game six. I saw this
stat early this morning. Jamal Murray in this postseason is
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averaging nineteen point three points per game on twenty point
two field goal attempts. Only Bob coosey fifty one and
John Havlicek in sixty five have averaged less points per
game on over twenty plus attempts in a single playoff run.
Not good for my got, Jamal Murray. Yeah, we we know.
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It's very difficult to go back to back in any sport.
There are gonna be bumps. It's just difficult. So last
year they I think they got pushed most by the Suns.
Even though the Lakers had the toughest sweep ever or
whatever they called it, the Sun's pushed them. Well, now
this year the Lakers really pushed them, and now the
Timberwls have forces to Game seven. I'm sorry, folks, I
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don't think this team is unbeatable and I am gonna
stick with my prediction. If the MAVs get by Okac,
and I think Rob and I probably agree we'll do
best bests later. I think they will. But I can
see the maps in Denver again. This this, let's be real.
This is not as good a Denver team as they
had last year. That's an undeniable fact. When you look
at the metrics. The Denver starting five, okay, one of
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the best starting fives in the NBA. That's Gordon, Porter, Jokic,
Murray and Caldwell Pope. They are minus fifty in one
hundred and ten minutes in this sea minus fifty. Now, yes,
you could say, hey, Jay, some of that is Game
two combined with Game six. Okay, what about the other
four games? Like that ain't great? I mean, listen, get
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Anthony Edwards from sleep, get in a hyper bear chamber.
He's gonna probably have to play forty forty two minutes,
maybe more. Maybe he's gonna have to go all forty eight.
I don't know. Mike Conley back was obviously key. Thirty
one minutes, zero turnovers for Conley. I I'm sorry, I
just don't have a bet now. But I'll just say this,
I don't see Anthony Edwards rolling over this probably ends
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up with one of these Jordan rules type games. Remember
how the Pistons would just be like, you know what,
we're not letting Michael Jordan beat us. We're gonna body
slam him every chance we can, and he's gonna have
to work hard as hell, and we're gonna say, you
know what, Carl Anton Towns beat us, Mike Conley beat us.
Jada McDaniels, can you hit shots in a game?
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Seven?
Speaker 2 (08:13):
McDaniels was great last night. But anyways, we'll do best
bets at the end. But without further ado, let's get
to our guest, former NFL linebacker safety Tank Williams.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in
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listen live. You know, Jason likes to think he knows
everything when it comes to sports.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
I know what sports fans want, but for.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Everything he doesn't, he knows the guy who does.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
Let's just say I know a guy who knows the
guy who knows another guy.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
All right, let's welcome into the pod. First time guest.
He played for three different teams in the NFL. Titan, Vikings, Patriots.
Tank Williams first team All American in two thousand and
one at Stanford. Wow, big time Tank? How you doing man?
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (09:08):
Pretty good man. Yeah, that's one of my claim the fames.
You know, John Lynch was a hell of a player
that played safety at Stanford, But I don't even think
Lynch was first team All Americans.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
So I like to hang my hat on that at
least a.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
Little bit, even though he pretty much eclips me in
everything else football related.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
But at least I got that.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Yeah, nice. Nice. So one of the tough ones is,
so you played for Titans, Vikings, Patriots, three different teams
when it's Sunday this fall, do you find yourself rooting
for one? I mean, you played first with the Titans,
they drafted you, and then it was Vikings and Patriots.
But do you do you have pledge of allegiance to
either of those three?
Speaker 5 (09:42):
If I got fantasy players on those teams, I do.
Otherwise I really don't care. I mean I would say
like once those teams play well and say they're in
the playoffs, then I may have a little bit more
root and interest for one of those versus the others.
But Ultimately, I just like to see good football. And
I would say that my mom, given that the Patriots
cut and that was the last team I was with,
my mom hates the Patriots. So they do badly. Yeah
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she's partying, but yeah, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
They're going to be doing pretty badly. It seems, you know,
it looks like they have the one of the lowest
win totals in the league. I don't know what was
your time like with the Patriots. It wasn't long, but
you know, you sign a one year deal, kind of
had the injuries. I don't know what was it like
playing for Belichick.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Yeah, I had a cup of coffee, but it was cool.
I would say this.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
I would say that, as you probably noticed during the draft,
Bill Belichick has a lot more personality than what a
lot of people would suggest.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
You know, through the media and what he would give.
Speaker 5 (10:35):
You in the media as a head coach, he gives
you a little bit more now as an analyst. And
then that at the same time, when I was with
the Patriots, I told my ACL and it happened to
be the same year that Tom Brady to his ACL
in Week one. So my claim to fame is that
I was rehabing with Tom the entire offseason, and so
he was back and forth between LA going overseas getting
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treated like that, like I was stuck in Fox Brother time.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
But you know, Tom was cool. He invited me to
the house.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
What time I got to TV twelve treatment before everyone
else had Alex working on my knee and stuff.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
So I would say that Tommy boy is really cool. Peeps.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Nice, Let me ask how come you didn't go overseas
to get the treatment he.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Got because that's TV twelve. I mean, I'm just tank Woods.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Well, you know you can maybe try to latch on,
you know, yeah, no, no, that that's fascinating. I mean,
you know you'll be able to tell that story to
like your grandkids. You know that that's pretty Hey, I
rehabbed with Tom Brady.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
Yeah he's better.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
If I could say, I want to bring with him,
but you know, I guess rehab is the next best thing.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Yeah. So let me ask, So you were again three
different teams when the schedule came out when you were
playing in the league. You know, fans love it, media
loves it. Talking point Now, gambling's big, so, but fifteen
twenty years ago, when the schedule came out, I mean,
was just like appointment television with their team. Do you
remember it being a big deal.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
Oh, it's always a big deal because the first thing
the players do is they look to see what Monday
night games they have, Sunday night games. You just want
to make You want to be on the stage when
you do the only game on TV, so you can show
out for your family, show out for your friends, show
off for other folks that are in the league.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
And so I think that's still the case.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
Whenever the schedule is released, all the guys are going
to see when their divisional games are. When they're playing
on Monday night, now it's Thursday night, Friday night, and
in some cases, you know, all the other nights that
we have in NFL has taken over the entire week.
But you just want to be able to play on
prime time where you the only game out there, because
when you show out there in front of everyone on TV,
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then that's when you get the endorsement deals. That's when
you get the big contracts, especially if you play well.
So that's what the players I like.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yeah, well that's a kind of insight that I didn't expect.
I mean, I was expecting more of like, oh, we're
circling this game because we hate the Raiders, or oh,
you know, one of those deals. Maybe that's like second
or third, third tier stuff.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
That's a given.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
I mean, so, you know, I played for the Titans
my first four years in the league, and it's a
given that we hated the coach.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
We hated peyton Man because the dude was.
Speaker 5 (12:59):
So good, and they always a team that you know,
was trying to keep us from winning a divisional title
every year.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
I mean, so that's a given.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
But at the same time, if you're going to have
a marquee game, like we played the New England Patriots
on Monday Night Football and I remember that was my
rookie year and Javine curse. He was hurt like three
or four weeks leading up into that game, and he
happened to come back for Monday Night Football and they
announced the defense, so I got to run out on
Monday Night Football as a starter. Then they announced the
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freak last and he came out the tunnel with his
helmet off, dropped down to his knees, and you could
just feel like it seemed like everyone in the stands
was just on the field with us and we won
the game right there. I mean you could just tell
by the introduction, and so I think those types of games,
those type of atmospheres are what you look out for
when the schedule was released.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Nice. Let me quickly ask you about coming out of college.
So you were, you know, again at Stanford, and you
were kind of one of these hybrid safety linebacker types,
similar to a Cam Chancellor. And I've always heard that
NFL teams are kind of dumb when it comes to
the draft. They see people as that guy is a
slot receiver, that guy is a reguard whatever. They don't
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see what players can be. I'm just curious going back
to you coming out of college, did you get kind
of pegged as well, we don't really know what he is.
We can't put him in a box. Or did you
have to kind of sell yourself as dude, I can
be a Swiss Army knife, I can do anything, you know.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
It's interesting.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
I mean I think that really is the case when
I was drafted because I was a larger guy. Automatically
they just want to put you in the box as
like a box safety. But at the same time, I
ran a four to three eight at the combine, so
I was really fast. And you know, it's interesting that
you mentioned that because I remember talking to a defensive coordinator.
I can't remember who it was, but he told me
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that if their team drafted me, he would have played
me at cornerback my entire first year, just to get
me comfortable there on the outside, and then they would
have used me as pre safety, strong safety in the slot,
and then a pinch at cornerback as well. And obviously,
I think at the end of my career, just because
I was the largest safety, I could have played a
little bit of weak side linebacker. Actually, when I got
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to the New England Patriots, Bill Belichick had me playing
the star position, which is basically like a mic linebacker
that's lined up eight yards behind the ball. So I
think a lot of these coaches they tried to find
ways to scheme up, you know, scheme up things strategically
for the athletes that they have on that roster and
try to take advantage of those skill sets. And I
think that's what's the most important thing for really great
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coaches is just having a good idea of the skill
set that you have on your roster and been able
to get the most out of each one of those players.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
So Belichick saw you for what you could be. Did
the Titans do you feel they did.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
A little bit. I mean, I think I played well
with the Titans. I also dealt with some injuries there,
but I think that they probably could have used more
of my skill set. When I was in Minnesota, I
was really intrigued to go there because the defensive core
of that my first year was Mike Tomlin and that
was the one year he was defense coordinator before he
went to his Verse Tills to take the head coaching job,
and so that was the reason I went to Minnesota.
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I didn't know him from the Canna paint until I
went on my free agent visit.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
I was like, man, I have to play for this dude.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
He was that compelling And I ended up getting injured
my first year in Minnesota. But I would just tell you,
just sitting in the meetings, the way that that dude
understands ball and at the same time, the way that
he can convey his message to the players, You see
why he's had the success that he has in the
league right now. So I think guys who had that
great understanding of the game that can also relate to
the players and also maximize their potential between the white lines.
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Those are the coaches that have the most success in
the league, and it really shows when you have guys
like Mike Tomlin and the Bill Belichicks of their life.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Wait, so you're telling me you went you didn't really
know who Tomlin was. You go to Minnesota on the visit,
you meet him, and you were sold by the defensive coordinator.
That's crazy.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Yeah. Yeah, so by the defensive coordinator.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
I'm not sure if you remember Brad Childres was the
head coach at the time. Yeah, there's some controversy. I mean,
we had the wide receiver Williamson. I can't remember his
first name, but Troy Williamson. Yeah, Troy Williamson. And so
his uh, I think his grandmother raised him or something
like that, and his grandmother passed away and he went
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to the funeral and like the coach just like dog
walked him for some reason. He pretty much lost the
team like right there. I mean it was one of
those things where after he kind of got fired from
the Vikers, he worked as like an assistant for Andy
Reid and some of these other guys because he was
an assistant under them before he got the head coaching job.
But I mean I kind of figured that he wouldn't
get another head coaching job after that, just because of
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that dynamic that we had with the team, because we're
like man like. I understand like Troy had some drops
and things like that, but when you nail a kid
like that because he had a relative that was close
to him that passed away and then you just kind
of give him a hard time. It was just one
of those things that really didn't sit well with the team.
But then there was also one of those issues where
I've been on some teams where you have you have
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to deal through a little adversity whenever you play football,
and a lot of times you have one side of
the ball that picks up the other. I would say
that my time at Minnesota was one of the rare
occasions where you would have like a little bit of
divisiveness between the offense and the defensive side of the ball.
And I think a lot of times leadership can showed
that up from the head coach position, and so I
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think just dealing with that and then some of the
issues that some of the players had with the head coach,
I enjoyed the like Mike Tomlan some of the other
assistant coaches that we had on the team, But I
just feel that Children really didn't do a good job
of leading that team, and we didn't have an opportunity
to kind of reach the attention that we did because
Adrian Peterson was a rookie my first year there, and
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that dude was phenomenal, and so even though we didn't
really have like this star quarterback at the time, I
feel like we could have done a lot better, but
there was just too much going on underneath the shell
of the team that prevented us from reaching our ceiling.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Wow. So I just looked up the Brad Children's incident.
I totally forgotten about that. But were you in Minnesota
when that love boat incident happened?
Speaker 4 (18:53):
I was not.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
You went there after that? Is that why you went there?
Speaker 4 (18:57):
You were like, Oh, I didn't or any parts of that.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
But I'm sure players knew about it around the league,
of course, of course, but I'm sure that that's more
common than we think. They just somehow got busted, right.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
Probably, So I'm I'm an hit my Dave Chappelle, what two, three, four?
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Yeah, quite a sentiment did you witness de Troy Williamson
Childer's thing.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
I mean, I wouldn't say that I witnessed it, like
I was there when it happened, but I would say
that like we heard about it, and then I think
you got addressed in the meeting, if I'm not mistaken.
But then even the way that it was addressed in
and meeting, it was just kind of off putting to
all the players on the team, and so it was
just kind of like a downward spiral from that.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
Like I can't even remember the exact details. I remember
she took.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Away a game. It looks like he took away a
game check from Williamson.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
Yeah, it's because he missed the game because of his
grandmother I passed away.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Yeahma died.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
I mean, come on, she was the one that raised him.
It was just like a totally messed up situation.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Yeah, all right, So let's fast forward to the end
of the year career, you're done with football. I'm on
at FS one with athletes all the time, and they
love to talk about how man, you know, you kind
of die twice when you die at the end of
your life and then when your career is over because
the cheering stops and you're no longer getting free meals
and free jinks and drinks and women throwing themselves at you,
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And like, I don't know, you've seem to transition pretty
damn well given what I was reading about you.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
Yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
I would say that towards the lot of part of
my career, I was taking a bunch of entrepreneurship programs
to the NFL, just trying to figure out what I
wanted to do life after football, and so I always
had like this general interest in real estate, so I
kind of gravitated towards that initially. But I think the
reason I went that route versus just kind of going
into something strictly football at the beginners, because like you said,
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you just kind of die when your dream of playing
an NFL or you don't get an opportunity to reach
our potential in the NFL because of injuries, and so
I wanted to be as far removed from the game
as possible. But the way I got rope back in
was I had a bunch of college buddies who got
me playing fantasy football, and I just fell in love
with playing fantasy football. And then I went to a
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convention in Vegas and met Brad Evans, who was like
on the show of Yahoo's Fantasy Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
And so then they recruited me, and that's all working
with Yahoo in twenty fifteen. It got into fantasy and
then naturally kind of gravitated towards college football NFL analyst
work after that, and so now I do a little
bit of everything that along with sports betting.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
So let me ask you about the betting. It's kind
of popping everywhere. You're out here in California, so unfortunately,
you know, it's not air quotes legal. But I don't know,
do you Where are you on the whole gambling thing.
You know, we've seen some NBA players getting hot water.
We saw Calvin Ridley gets suspended for a season. I
don't know, man, It just it does seem a little
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I know why the NFL has to like give the
hard suspensions, but it seems a little aggressive that you
can gamble on other sports, just not at the facility coaches,
they can't gamble on anything. And then it's just I
don't know, the rules seemed wishy washy. Where are you
on the gamble?
Speaker 4 (22:16):
I think the rules are weird.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
I mean, I think it's wishywa wash it because for
the longest time, the NFL had this stance that they
were totally against gambler, just like at one point they
were totally against marijuana used just because if that's the
way that the laws were at that given time. And
so now that you know marijuana is legal in a
bunch of states, now that gambler is legal in a
bunch of states. But gambling, more specifically, it makes the
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NFL a lot of money, So obviously they want to
be intertwine with gambling. You have the Super Bowl being
played in Vegas, you have a bunch of stadiums now
that have their own sports books, you have a lot
of teams that have their own affiliations with these casinos,
and so they're getting money out of the deal. Yet
at the same time, you want to make it seem
like these games on the up and up, and so
it's just hard to try to divide that line to
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say that, yeah, we want to be in bed with
these guys, but then at the same time, we're going
to have these like strict rules and regulations on what
our players can do, just to try to justify our
coexistence with these gambling institutions. So I think it's a
great line. Understand what they're trying to navigate. It's just
going to be a little dicey, I think in the beginning.
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I won't even say the beginning. I think it's gonna
always be dice because you may have some folks who
in these situations we like the basketball player like Porter,
where he ends up giving some information to a guy
who makes some money and then everyone's going to question whether, yeah,
question whether that's happening with more than one player. So
it's just one of those evils that you're just gonna
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have to deal with once you get involved with Betan.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
I think, yeah, it's almost like the league was like,
no gambling, no gad, but wait, how much money you
guys going.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
To share with them? Exactly?
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Oh, oh okay, let's do it. Let's yeah. It just
it feels unseeming. So now, anyways, the schedules are out.
I know it's way early, it's freaking May, but I'm
just curious, do any teams jump out at you from
an over understand point and then you know who you
got in the Super Bowl and please don't say the
Chiefs for a third straight year.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
Come on, Yeah, So I wouldn't say, like the San
Francisco for a nine in this schedule intrigues me from
an over understand point, but I will say it from
this perspective. Like when I was a rookie, we played
the New England Patriots, or maybe it was my second year.
I'm trying to remember, but I remember we're actually up
in Foxborough, and you know, we got beat and Tom
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Brady was quarterback, and so the older guys like samaro Roll,
they were accustomed to Drew Bledsoe being the quarterback of
the Patriots.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
So we go into the locker room.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
After the end of the game and he's like, man,
I can't believe we got beat by damn Tom Brady.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
Like, ain't this some ish?
Speaker 5 (24:46):
And then like fast forward a couple of years later,
it was like, yo, like actually, like we got beat
by Tom Brady, who's already won the Super Bowl, and
it's like a different cat because you know Tom Brady,
you know, got drafted late in the draft and things
like that, so there was like this narrative of him,
and I think brock party is still that way.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
I remember going into the Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (25:03):
I say that there was no way that fort Nite
are going to be competitive unless Christian McCaffrey had himself
a game and McCaffrey was okay, but he fumbled and
Brock Party played phenomenal ball that made some amazing throws
and kept the team in it didn't make many mistakes,
and I think this could be the year where he
actually levels up once again. He has the opportunity to
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as well, playing against like the Jets and all these
other tough defenses early on.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
In the season.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
If he could be the guy that the team wins
because of him and without having to lean on all
these other guys, I think he can really set himself
apart and really change the narrator on how people view him.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Wow, so you got Niners over who.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
Oh you mean in that schedule?
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Well, super Bowl? I meant like more of the Super
Bowl super Bowl and that's way way early.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
Honestly, I don't I won't be surprised if the Niners
make it back. I mean, I think the one thing
that I'm more intrigued than anything else about is the
Chiefs getting back in three peating, because.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
No, before you think they could get back, I think.
Speaker 5 (26:05):
They can because I doubted them so much. I doubted
the Chiefs after they lost Tyreek Hill. They were able
to go back and win the Super Bowl, And now
I feel like they've actually improved by getting some more
offensive weapons. I mean Marquis Brown, I think he adds
an element to the offense. I understand that they're dealing
with some stuff with Shei Rice, but then you get
Xavier Worthy, you still have that defense in place. You're
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able to re sign Chris Jones. I mean, I think
the Chiefs are set up and at the same time,
I think they've dealt with as much adversity and just
people poking around as they can. Last year with the
Taylor Swift effect, like I feel like, if you can
navigate Travis Kelsey being injured at the beginning of the season,
Taylor Swift being at all the games and everything that
that involved around the team, narrative is still somehow, some
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way you win the Super Bowl in spite of all that, Like,
why shouldn't they be favorous in AFC they win again?
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Interesting? I guess the counter would be, if you remember
last year they were only eight and five after they
lost to the Raiders. I think it was like a
December game. Yeah, and they they they just couldn't do anything,
and they were eight and five and it was like, ooh,
these guys aren't great. And then Snead now is with
the I think the Titans. Yeah, I mean, what do
you think Rice is going to get four or five games?
Speaker 4 (27:16):
He could? He could. I mean, I really don't know
how the lead is going to come down on that.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
But one, you have the issue with the car, and
then but he hit someone out of club club, a
photographer something, So I mean, so there's going to be
something levied against him. But I will say this, like
I understand that they were eight and five, but when
the Raiders beat.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
Them, that was a spark. No, he got gonna run
after that. And so.
Speaker 5 (27:39):
That's the reason why I look at the Baltimore Ravens
the same way where I look at that schedule, and
I was trying to see what matchups are like. But
ultimately I'm like, I don't really give a damn what
happens to the Ravens. I don't care if they finished
with the best record in the AFC. I don't care
if they sneak into the playoffs. I think the only
thing that matters for the Ravens is that once they
get in the playoffs, they need to flip the switch
and then become some dogs and then so that they
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can go and win the Super Bowl, like nothing else
really matters after that, like people gonna believe what they
wanted to have these narratives built around Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
I think he's a phenomenal player.
Speaker 5 (28:09):
But until he wins the Super Bowl, people are just
going to hold onto these narratives that they had for
the past three or four years. So right now, the
Ravens just need to one get back into the playoffs
and then go ahead and beat the teams like the
Kansas City Chiefs and everyone else to say that they'll
get a ring and then you know, they changed the
narrative completely on how people view.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
I'll just say the other thing on the Chiefs. Last
thing is their tackle situation is dicey. So they lost
Donovan Smith. Their new tackle is one Ya Morris. He
was a rookie out of Oklahoma last year basically played
in like six games and then the right tackle was
a disaster. The kid Taylor who kept false starting all
the time. I don't know, man, two shady tackles. Travis
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Kelce turns thirty five. Probably know where she rice and
they lost sneed on defense, who was excellent. I don't
think they're going back. I don't think there's any way
to go back, but I know I'm gonna be perceived
as a hater anyways, Tank Williams, great stuff, you know,
continued success in the Bay Area. Thanks for coming on, buddy,
Oh but so appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
Thanks for having.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
The only thing better than sitting on your couch watching
the gage. He's making money while you do it. Here's
your best bet.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Good stuff from Tank Williams. Let's quickly do best bets.
Only one game tonight. Nicks PACER's word is og Annobi
will not play. He's listed as doubtful as we recorded
early on a Friday morning. I can't see it happening,
and without Annobe, it's gonna look bleak for the nixt.
So the Pacers are six and a half point favorites.
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I believe the Pacers win and cover. I think the
safer bets are probably first quarter, first half. You know,
you never know a Halliburton decides to pull an O show.
But I think the Pacers get it done here in
fourth game seven and listen, everybody wins ROB. When we
get a game seven, the concern for the Knicks rob
is the timetable, so they get an extra day of
rest for this game. But if it goes seven, the
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turnaround time is less than forty eight hours. You know,
usually to play Monday night, Wednesday night or whatever, Tuesday night,
Thursday night. This is Friday night, Sunday afternoon. That is
not ideal for a Knicks team. And again, it's not
like you know, it's not like the travels brutal. But
if the Villanova Knicks guys are logging forty two plus
minutes and then less than forty eight hours later, got
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to go back and do it again. I know you
can ride the garden crowd, but I don't think that's
going to be a blowout. I think it'll be a
difficult game. So the Knicks will push hard to win this,
but I like the Pacers to win. I'll go Pacers
one oh two, Nicks ninety four.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
So you got the Pacers to win and cover Yeah,
I don't know if I would go yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
I don't know about the cover. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
I don't know if I would go that far. I
agree with you, though, If the Knicks are going to
win this series. Their best chance is to win this
game because of that quick turnaround. And I know there
are some people most know, like stan Van Gundy's on
the broadcast, he's been ripping people about you know, wall
uh at Nikola Jokic is playing or me na which
Luka Doncic is playing forty plus minutes and Kyrie is
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playing forty plus minutes.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Well, what's the big deal about the Nicks guys? Everyone's
worried with the Knicks guys. The difference is with these.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
Knicks guys is their style of play is so much
different than what you're seeing from.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Like Luka Doncic type.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Luca is basically for the most part, playing only one
side of the basketball, right, he's just offensively. Defensively, they're
trying to hide as much as possible the way that
this Knicks team is built, because they're so shorthanded, they
are having to play balls to the wall the entire game. Basically,
like Josh hart Dot DEEVINCHENZK, I think that's why Devin
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Chenlin has been such a big slump recently. Is I
just don't know if he has the legs to play
both ends of the floor with that much aggression, and
so Jalen Brunson is doing everything offensively.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Defensively, they're hiding him a little bit. But the other
guys are having to do so much. There's so much movement,
there's so much off the ball cutting and screening and
rebounding and things that they got to do that if
they don't get it done in game six, I would
probably still pick the Knicks in Game seven because of
the home court, but I wouldn't feel good about it
and I definitely wouldn't bet on it. So for the
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purposes of this show, give me the Knicks plus the
five and a half. Oh okay, and if you're really
feeling surely so you could take and a half.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
And if you're really feeling squarely, go ahead and take
the Nicks on the money line.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Oh all right, listen, I'm a Knicks fan. I'm rooting
for a seventh game. Also, I have Haliburton in that
dumb player points pool. I also have Donovan frickin Mitchell,
who ended up missing two games, which basically kills me
unless Haliburton somehow advances. And I have Kyrie, who's basically
done nothing in the last few games anyways, Speaking of
Kyrie's Saturday MAVs four point favorites against the OKC Thunder.
(32:52):
If you guys again this, if this game goes to
script the same as the Clippers, MAVs win Game five
big in La, come back to Dallas and or winning, winning, winning,
and then pull away in the fourth quarter with relative ease.
I mean, I think it was like a one or
two point game at halftime, I think, and then slowly
pull away in the third and then you know it
is Kyrie Irving show late. I keep saying, you know
(33:16):
the Kyrie Irving game is coming. He is, mister close out?
What's the set?
Speaker 4 (33:19):
Rob?
Speaker 2 (33:19):
He's nine and oh or eleven and oh or something
like that in elimination games? Is that? Is that what
the phrasing is? Uh, he's thirteen and oh in close
out games, close out games, Okay, thirteen and oh. I
believe the MAVs get it done. And folks, I'm geeked.
(33:39):
I don't know if you are. I'm very excited for
mas Nuggets. I think that would be a phenomenal series.
But I know, Rob Waite, hold on, Rob, you're not
officially writing off okay, see are you?
Speaker 4 (33:49):
Oh? You bet I am.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
You bet I am, And you know I'm an Okse guy.
You know I love me some shake Gillach Alexander. You
know I already claimed chet Holmgren as my definitive tall, lanky,
skinny center over went. So that battle is not going
well for me right now, but I have long term
potential with my guy chet.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
No.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
I think that the Mavericks have just been the better
team this entire series, even without Luca playing well for
most of it and Kyrie, like you mentioned, be suddenly
becoming allergic to scoring for whatever reason, this Mavericks team
has been in control of each of the last two games,
or actually the last three games pretty handily. We're not
for a crazy meltdown there in uh what was that
(34:26):
Game four? This series would already be over. So give
me the MAVs. I don't worry about giving up the
four and a half points. I think Dallas is gonna roll.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
By the way, do you think MAVs haven't any chance
against Denver? Assuming Denver I mean Minnesota. I hadn't even
really thought about that.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
I think they would have a better chance against Minnesota
than they would against Denver. I don't think their front
line is built at all to deal with it.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Come on, don't do you gotta respect Derek Lively? Come on, bruh,
put some respect on his name. We know, okay, see
doesn't okay? See he needs a big guy. I like
to see it, Allen think. Also, did you see all
the wod stuff last night on Mitchell?
Speaker 4 (35:04):
I did.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
It was kind of while so that he was texting
him directly. You never get that kind of reporting in
today's climate.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Well, I think the Windhorse thing pissed off the Mitchell camp.
It was like the Nets and Lakers already have offers ready,
you know, and that Donovan Mitchell remember remember my favorite saying,
if you try to make everyone happy, you make nobody happy.
And I feel like Donovan Mitchell is stuck in this hole.
I know I want to leave, but I want to
(35:30):
do it the right way. Like, that's not going to
do it, bro, It's it's not. That's not possible. You
either stay or you leave. There's no like, well, I
want to leave, but I don't want to. I don't
want to tick off Cleveland. Is that your vibe? Do
you think he wants to stay?
Speaker 4 (35:45):
No?
Speaker 2 (35:45):
I don't, and only because why would you come out.
I'm happy in Cleveland, Like, why would you even say
that season just ended?
Speaker 3 (35:51):
Yeah, I mean it's been widely reported now basically since
he's gotten there, that he had no interest in going
to Cleveland at first, that was not on his list,
and that he would not sign the extension. It's funny
that you mentioned, you know, the trying to please everybody
end up pleasing nobody. As far as I can recall,
and I have to double check this, he never actually
requested a trade out of Utah either, Like, he never publicly,
(36:16):
at least that we know of, said hey, this is
not working, get me out of here. They could just
tell that he was not feeling it that you know,
they want to go in different directions, so they might
as well get rid of him, which they did. So
he was willing, at least, you know, publicly, to go
down with the ship there in Utah and be miserable
on his way out Ala Damian Lillard in Portland, like
(36:36):
it took every ounce of Dame to finally try to
force his hand and they ended up in freaking Milwaukee
of all places.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
So maybe that's what he's worried about. Yeah, I don't know,
Jonavan Mitchell's going to be fascinating, and the Trey Young
stuff is also going to be There's a report from
Jake Fisher, your guy who's going been on the podcast
saying that the Spurs basically they're not interested in Trey Young. Now,
I don't know if that's smokescreen or trying to lower
the value, but it's like, whoa, who do this? Purse won?
(37:04):
And I don't know this whole slow build idea. I
just hate it. Anyways, we've got long on a Friday.
It's gonna be a fiery week next week, well more
of the weekend on the Horizon back on Monday. Talk
to you then,
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