Everybody Hates Clay Travis

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a lot of faith in the Cleveland Cavaliers because I

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sure as heck don't unbelievable collapse that they are in
the middle of right now. I I said it yesterday,
I said it the day before. I'm not a Calves believer.
I understand that some people out there just have blind
faith in Lebron James and the Cleveland Cavaliers because they're
the defending NBA champions. I think that blind faith is

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completely and totally misguided when you look at what's actually
going on with this team. If you're just waking up,
you didn't know. They went into Chicago, Chicago right now
in ninth place, potentially not going to make the play
offs at all. We'll see what happens in their race
with Indiana and Miami there at the bottom of the

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Eastern Conference. In Chicago just took care of him. They
were the better team and there was nothing Flukey about it.
The Calves cannot defend anybody. They are on a really
bad stretch. Lebron James seems protected particularly triggered right now.

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And for those people out there who say, oh, the
Calves are in we're in a mess. Last year, yeah,
but things were kind of rounding into shape as we
came up on the end of the season. The Calves
are lost to the Spurs by nearly thirty. They lost
to the Wizards by twelve at home. Now they just
lost to the Bulls by six, and they've lost four

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of their last five. If you go back to the
game against the Nuggets when they gave up a hundred
and twenty six points. And the teams that they've beaten
have been pretty awful, the Hornets, the Lakers, they lost
by thirty to the Clippers. Their last goodwin was over
the Jazz in on March six, over two weeks ago. Now,

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I think it's time to hit the alarm button. I
am not confident, and I said this yesterday, and I'm
even more confident in this opinion today. I'm not confident
the Calves are gonna be in the finals at all.
Against the Golden State Warriors, the three best teams in
the NBA this year right now are Golden State, San Antonio,
and Houston. It's possible. The fourth best team, even though

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nobody's paying attention to them at all, are the Utah Jazz.
And it's possible. The fifth best team is the l
A Clippers. It's possible. It's possible those are the five
best teams. I'm not sure that Boston or Cleveland right now,
or Washington, who are the three best teams in the East,
and Toronto is up there too. They're pretty tight together

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that any of those four teams are better than the
top five teams in the West. But the thing that
matters right now is I'm not sure that Cleveland comes
out of the Eastern Conference. The way they are playing
right now, they might not even have an easy first
round match. Right now, They're set up to be playing
the Miami Heat. The Miami Heat have been on fire

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for a long time now, and I definitely think the
Miami Heat would win two games against Cleveland right now
if they played a seven game series, six game series,
I think it would be a six or a seven
game series. Now, some of you out there can say, oh,
this is the NBA regular season, It doesn't matter, and
I agree on an average game to game basis, but

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I do think trend lines matter. Does it matter that
the Golden State Warriors are peaking right as they rush
into the playoffs. I think that matters. Does it matter
that the Spurs have been pretty consistently excellent all season long?
I think that matters. Does it matter that the Calves
have lost four or five down the stretch? Many of
those games not competitive at all and have allowed at

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time of points. Look at how explosive the Golden State
Warriors are on offense. Are you telling me that the
Calves have any chance at all right now? The way
they're playing against them? I just don't see it. I
don't see it at all. Danny g and Robert, yesterday
you were not disbelievers. We had this exact same conversation yesterday.

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You guys were not disbelievers in Lebron James. Are you?
Maybe not Lebron James, but Lebron James and the Calves.
Are you feeling any different after the loss to the
Bulls last night? Nope? What would you have to see
a barring an injury, what would you have to see
from the Calves in order for you to believe they're

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not going to be in the finals. It has less
to do with the Calves and more to do with
the Eastern Conference, because the Celtics, you know, as they're
a solid team, they don't have, you know, that go
to guy that you can count on every game because
eventually you get to the playoffs. And Isaiah Thomas, as
great as he is, he's only five of eight pounds
and we've seen Lebron shut down plenty of guys in

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the playoffs in the fourth quarter when he has to. Okay,
So I think right now, if they went against the Warriors,
if the NBA Finals were starting, let's say this weekend,
I think the Warriors would win this, either in a
sweep or a five game series. Well yeah, but I mean,
the question isn't whether or not the Calves over repeat.
The question is whether or not we're sure they're going
to get to the finals. And I don't think that

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you can count but you're not the only reason you're
believing in the Calves, though, is because you think the
Eastern Conference is weak. If the Calves were playing in
the West, win the series, they might not get out
of the second round, depending on who they played. They
might not even win a series, depending on who they
played in the first round. I mean, if you if
you slotted them in right now with their record into

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the Eastern Conference, the Calves would be battling right now
with Utah for the four seed and the Clippers for
the four or five. Would they beat the Clippers in
a seven game series right now? They just lost by
third to the Clippers. I don't think they would. I
think if the Calves were being seated as a Western
Conference team again right now, they would be the four

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seed and they would be playing let's say they flipped
with Utah and Utah got to go to the East.
They'd be playing the Clippers. They'd have home court as
the four seed unless they collapse further because they wouldn't
have much of a lead on that four seed. They'd
have a half game lead. I think Clippers have beat them.
I think right now, not just Golden State in San Antonio.

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I think Houston, Utah, and the Clippers would all beat
the Calves in a seven game series. That's pretty terrifying
if you're the n b A. I mean, because well,
we talk a lot about how much people care about
the NBA. NBA regular season. You're average fan doesn't care
at all. Two million people. They were bragging about the

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fact that like two point nine million people I think
watched that Spurs Warriors game. That's the best possible game
almost that the NBA can put on right now in
the regular season. It mattered every buddy was on the court.
It was a night when there was nothing else going
on in the world of sports. I think it was
two point nine million people watched. That's a pretty small
audience in the grand scheme of things. If Lebron's not

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in the finals, do a ton of people watch the
Warriors play the Celtics. I mean, I know Boston is
at least a big market, but does the average person
out there care. I don't know if that's the case.
And if it was somebody else who pulled off the upset,
God forbid for the NBA it was Toronto or the Wizards,

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nobody watches. Nobody watches that series and it's a sweep.
So if you're the NBA right now, if you are
sitting around and you're Adam Silver and you're worried about
whether guys are getting rested or not, that's a little
bit nerve racking. Let's get your calls on this. I'm curious,
do you guys buy into it? We got a loaded
show today, loaded show for those of you who need
a road map going forward. Next hour, we're gonna have

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Jason Whitlock. Jason Whitlock scheduled to join us for a
little a couple of segments, I think, and then in
the final hour we've got LaVar Ball. LaVar Ball, Wonzo
Ball's dad is gonna be with us in the final
hour of the show. You already heard from Lance Taylor
eight seven seven nine. Dive in. Are you still a
believer right now in Lebron James or do you think
the Calves are in trouble? Because I think the Calves

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are in trouble eight seven seven nine. I am Clay Travis.
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It's not just me who's thinking that the Calves are
not clicking and are a little bit in trouble. As
the playoffs loom in the NBA. It's also Lebron James himself.
Here's what he had to say last night after the
loss to the great used to be great Chicago Bulls. Definite,
was there just something to concentration close which is unfortunately

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counting the hours until large is over. Mom. I'm never
one to shortcut the processes off quarter process. That's when
I live by it. I'll build my career. So you know,
tomorrows another day. It's not the opportunity, but we've got
some We've got some work to do. We don't have
a lot of time. This just in a basket ball
right now. Not disappointed with the effort. That's just in

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a bass pots trying to figure it out. That's Lebron
James trying to make sense of the loss to the
Chicago Bulls last night. By the Calves, it's their fourth
loss in five games. The only win there against the
team that was not very good, and a lot of
these losses have not just been losses, they've been debilitating.
It's not remotely close. Thirty point defeats basically at the

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hands of the Spurs, at the hands of the Clippers,
and the schedule gets a lot better down the stretch.
As the Calves have now fallen, falling a half game
behind the Boston Celtics, they do have to go to
Boston in a game that now looks like it's gonna
have a lot of residents. The Calves have eight game
games left, and several of those games like, for instance,
on tonight they play the seventies Sixers. I mean, if

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they lose to the Sixers at home as an eleven
point favored in that game, that would be pretty difficult
to play to pull off. You don't even think the
Calves are capable of that. But they play the Celtics
on April five, so that is gonna be here very soon,
and I'm genuinely curious what they're gonna be able to
pull off. Eight seven see six nine. Also, we've got

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the Final four. Final four starts tomorrow, and in the
final segment of the show, I'll give you my blood
bank guarantee, but I'm gonna go ahead and give you
my picks on the Final four right now. I'm genuinely intrigued.
I was talking earlier about the fact that the NBA
desperately needs, desperately needs the Calves to be in the
in the in the finals, So if you're one of

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those people out there who believes that NBA officiating is
always a little bit rigged, and that's the one that
gets questioned the most. And I don't think that there's
official directives or anything else, but the NBA has always
been a star league, and the stars have always gotten
the benefit of the dead outs. There's a lot of
money at stake in whether or not Lebron James and
the Calves end up in the finals, because anybody else
from the Eastern Conference is a total ratings disaster. And

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it's similar right now in college basketball because U n
C is the blue blood program and the final four
here that everybody knows U n C against Kentucky was
massively high ratings with fallout has continued over what the
UK fans have done. I'm gonna dive into that in
the final segment because I didn't talk about that yesterday,
but Kentucky fans have been calling John Higgins, who was

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the official who was that they're blaming for their loss
to uh TO in in that situation, they're blaming their
loss to U n C on the officiating, which is
an absurd proposition to to to even remotely consider but
in these two games, U n C has to win
in order for anybody to watch the title game, because

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if U n C loses, an Oregon advances and either
South Carolina Organzaga wins on the other side, they're not
bring in any eyeballs. Nobody out there is like, man,
I can't wait to watch South Carolina, I can't wait
to watch Gonzaga. I want either of those teams to
win a title. Now I am on the South Carolina side,

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that line has kind of varied around six and a
half or seven points. And on the flip side, I'm
gonna take Organ. I love what Organ has been able
to do, uh down the stretch, even with the injury
situation that they've overcome. Their performance against Kansas in Kansas City,
the Oregon Ducks performance that is was flat out incredible.

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I mean it was maybe the performance of the n
C Double A Tournament so far. You talk about walking
into a complete home arena for the Kansas Jayhawks, you
talk about a Kansas team that had scored ninety or
more points in three straight games. What they did to
Purdue in the second half and the final parts of
the first half was downright criminal. And then the Organ

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Ducks walk in and there was nothing flukish about that win.
They dominated throughout the length of the game. Game. I
lost a lot of money on that basketball game, but
I gained to write a lot of respect for Dana
Altman and everything that Organ has been able to do
this year. But if the Ducks beat u n C,
the ratings just fall out from underneath everything. For CBS say,

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what are the ratings matter? Well, for what I do
do a national sports talk radio show, whether or not
people are engaged in the story matters a great deal.
And I don't know why it is, but everybody claims
in the beginning of the n C Double A Tournament
that they want all these upsets. Everybody's constantly complaining if
there aren't upsets in the n C Double A Tournament. Oh,

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it's been a really boring first round. All the favorites,
one the seeds held, all the small schools lost. People
whine about it. Second round. Oh, there's not even a
single Cinderella in the sweet six team. But what's fascinating
about it is by the time you get to the
sweet six, t the Elite eight, the final four, in
the title game, all people want is big time brands

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in the title game. You want a team that you
have a connection to, a coach that you have a
connection to, or you don't watch. And so if U
n S wins, North Carolina brings eyeballs. One of the
highest rated teams all season. People know the North Carolina brand.
The casual fan puts it on, they know Roy Williams.
Even if the players are shifting, they'll watch North Carolina play.

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This year, North Carolina has appeared and I think three
of the four highest rated college basketball games in the
regular season. People care about North Carolina. People care about Kentucky.
There's a reason that everybody tuned in for that game
because the Kentucky and North Carolina brands translate across a
large segment of the population. Even if you aren't a

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fan of those teams, you at least have a connection
to them. You root for against them, like the Yankees
in baseball. You know, the lowest rated regional final in
twenty years was the Gonzaga Zavier game. I think about that. No,
that's a game to go to the final four. Now,
it wasn't a great game. Gonzaga had control of it throughout.

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So the lowest rated game in twenty years. So if
the Zags or South Carolina, which is gonna happen on
that side of the bracket, advance and they played Oregon,
it's an intriguing game. I'm watching it. A lot of
you are probably watching no matter what happens. But man,
there are not necessarily gonna be a ton of people
showing up to watch that basketball game on Monday night.

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In the meantime, get rich. I'll give you my blood
bank guarantee in the final segment of the show, but
right now, early advantage to you guys. My picks. I'm
taking South Carolina plus seven and I'm taking Oregon plus five.
I'm taking both underdogs in this situation in the second hour,
telling you Jason Whitlock is gonna bring the heat. And

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then in the third hour of the show, we're gonna
have Alonzo Ball himself right here in the outcome. Well, sorry,
not Wonzo Ball, love var Ball. Well, Varball has talked
so much that I think he is more well known
than his own son, and uh LaVar Ball will be
on with us, and that should be an intriguing conversation
as well. I am Clay Travish. You're listening to out

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surprised you that hundreds of people a year still get
killed by trains. It's amazing, absolutely, But I just I
wondered purposely how many people actually walk in front of
the train, because again, I know we've kind of talked
about this before. I just don't see, I don't see
how you will see one coming. Yeah, you know, I'm
convinced now that I'm going to get killed by a train,
Like I just I just don't have any doubt at all,

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because the person that survives the train wreck. I mean,
you know, I've seen like a guy loses his leg
after hit by train. I don't even know how that's possible. Yeah,
I mean it's a it's a mess for sure. Um,
And think about people who used to jump trains back
in the day. My grandfather did my grant. Oh yeah,
he ran out of activities, right. I mean, we didn't

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have direct TV back in the day, and we didn't
have social media. You also didn't have access to before
tender you were jumping train, you didn't have access to cars.
I mean, my grandfather, he's told me that that he
and his buddies used to do it all the time.
For instance, they would know which direction of train was going.
And he told me he jumped trains to go watch
the Kentucky Derby. I mean, he grew up in Chattanooga, Tennessee,

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and he didn't have any money and uh, and so
they couldn't afford to pay for train tickets or afford
to obviously is crazy to have a car and be
able to drive that distance. So he and his buddies
would all time trains, know what time trains were coming through,
going different places, and go grab onto the trains and
uh and and go. He told me an unbelievable story
my grandfather Um that he and his buddies used to.

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You know, one time they were walking across a train
track over I think it was like a Tennessee river
and the train was coming and suddenly it came by
and they had to He and his buddies had to
hold on over above the river while the train went past.
Can you imagine that the pressure, the stress level, the

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the upper body strength that you've got to have with
that vibration coming over. Yeah, I mean it was old school.
That's an old man, you know, like farm strength there.
To hang on to the railroad bridge dangling above the
water while the train goes over to make sure that
you that you survive is pretty unbelievable. Not only that,
but not but also not annoying. I mean, you're heading

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to the Kentucky Verber. You've got to no one to
jump off that drain. Oh yeah, it's not like anybody
giving any directions, and you've illegally jumped the drain. So
I mean the ability to do so many different things.
It was there was a Savvay generation. There's no doubt
at all. Okay, so speaking of a generation that's different
than that. When the millennials, they're playing in the final
four this weekend. You love the gamble. I love the gamble.
We're talking to Lance Taylor at the Lance Taylor on Twitter.

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So the two picks that I've got, let's dive into them.
So Gonzaga going up against South Carolina. I like South
Carolina plus six and a half or seven here. I
know you were on the Zags and you were right
against Xavier. Are you sticking with him? Yeah? I probably will.
You know I had before the brack and had the
Zags actually playing for the national championship. I think too
much side as a great story. But again going weekend,

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the weekend, you know, when does this train finally stop?
And we saw have bad South Carolina to be an
offensive link when those are is on and obviously going well,
might be the best overall player in the couple of
a tournament at least going into the field. Um, it's
a great story. I mean, Frank Martin is a great story,
but this is a team that lost six of their
final nine regular season games. When they don't shoot it well,

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It's just it's a terrible product to watch, and I
just think it's kind of gonzagas year. I'm I'm not
gonna be shocked at all when you look at what's
left in the field of Gonzaga went this whole thing.
So I'm probably gonna lay the six and a half
yere Is that good for college basketball if the Zags win?
I don't know it. To me, it's been a pretty
good brand for a long time. Or a really interesting
story on what the success with the Zaga basketball has

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actually done for their enrollments. I'm sure you probably keep
up with this it. It's really fascinating to see what
what sports success does for undergrad enrollment at different institutions.
Like I saw after Butler went to the Final four,
um there and there, I guess enrollment, No, it didn't
go up, but I guess their applications did. And then

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do you mean if you look at what Alabama, I mean,
he's just transformed into a different university with Nick Saban.
But I read the Zags were and broke and it
was just fledgling university and they were down undergrad and
Mark Few takes over. They make a sweet sixteen run,
and in sense, it just continues to go up and up.
And they raised twitter and fifty million dollars for new
projects over the last couple of years. So I think

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it's in any way, long story short, I think it's
been a pretty good brand out there. Um. And I
don't know how much it will do for college basketball
if they want a doll I mean, I don't know
if we get sickled watching the blue bloods when national championships. Um,
But you know, I don't mind pulling for an hunderdog.
All right. Flip side there, and we're talking to Lance
Taylor at the Lance Taylor He is a radio show

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host in Birmingham. Jock's one of the most powerful stations
in the entire country. So on the other side of
the equation, we've got North Carolina going up against Oregon.
I took it on the chin big time in that
Oregon game against Kansas. I thought Kansas, the way they
were playing, would not just suddenly fall apart, not necessarily,
they wouldn't fall apart in the final four. At some
point I just didn't see it happening in Kansas City.

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I felt confident about the fact that they were gonna
play there well in front of basically a home crowd,
And I was wrong and Oregon dominated them. And that
wasn't a fluke right. It wasn't one of those games
where you look at you're like, man, I can't imagine
this happened. Oregon was just much better than Kansas on
that day. Is Oregon going to give you and c
R run? I think they are. Um, I think the

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money split here. And this is an Oregon team I've
been watching all year and watching him against Michigan. They
have all the components tool the National Championship. They had
Christa j still watch out the disibility to hit that
perimeter shot to protect the rim. But you look at
what Jordan Bell is doing, and I thought, my favorite
player left to the tournament. Extraordinary performance. Oh my gosh.

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I mean, just how active this kid is. They're really
single handedly keeping them alive. But you look at a
guy like Dylan Ennis has got a ton of energy.
Tyler Dorsey's playing maybe the best basketball in March. Dylan
Brooks has been the one X factor. Who's your pack
twelve Player of the Year that really I don't want
to see. He hasn't shown up, but he hasn't been
his best. Dylan Brooks shows up in place his best
with Dorsey and the webbe Bells playing. I think Oregan's

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gonna win the National Championship. Now, obviously North Carolina is
your favorite right now, but I think this game is
gonna go to the wire. How do them it gets?
Kansas kids looked unbeatable at least for a couple of
games early in the tournament. But Dana thinking coach, and
I just think this. The chemistry of this Ducks team
is great right now. They play with a ton of energy.
So yeah, I like the Ducks. Do you think it's

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fair to say that John Calipari has underachieved given that
he's had twenty eight NBA players. We've talked a lot
about this that this week twenty eight NBA players compared
to fourteen for North Carolina and fourteen for Duke. That's
the next highest over an eight year period. He's had
twice as many as everybody else. Should he have more
than one title? You know, maybe it's an interesting question.

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I think, you know, maybe the most difficult thing to
do in college sports is to win the int doable
a basketball championship because you have to play so many
quality opponents down the stretch. But we're talking about a
guy in his last seven tournament, apparentches Luck. He's been
a six or eight, and I don't know what to
equate an elite eight to Clay. I think it's more
like a New Year's six Bowl game. So maybe the
comparison is Calipari to Bob Stoops, And I still think

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Bob Stoops is one of the best five best coaches
in college football. You know the difference though between those two.
You know, Stoops has had a few successful NFL players,
but nothing like Calipari has had. Calipari has got a system.
A lot of people don't like it. The one and Dones.
I mean, as good as the Eron was, the Aeron
Fox and elite monk. For this year, we're not gonna
see him again, but I think the Aeron Fox is

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gonna be one of the elite points in LAK month
will probably be an elite score in the NBA. These
guys will have ten twelve of your careers. So the
system he's got his working as far as it you
know um turning in the national championships. We've only seen
it one time. I still think he's got a few
out there, so I think he's more than successful. If
you're a Kentucky fan, maybe they don't buy it um,

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but I think it's a pretty good system. We're talking
to Lance Taylor at the Lance Taylor. I think a
lot of people want to compare John Calipari to Nick Saban.
Nick Saban, in his last twelve years as a college
football coach has won five out of twelve of the
national titles, and he's basically been in the mix for
almost every year of those twelve except for the first
year that he took over Alabama. That's a ludicrous proposition

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to argue, right, that John Calipari is anywhere near what
Nick Saban is. I think the argument becomes as far
as a recruiter, because, yeah, the the on field, on
court success, it's really night blows what Nick Saban has done,
and we've talked about it before. We'll never see it again.
But as far as the recruiting, I mean, year in,
year out, Uh, Nick Saban's got you know, nothing but

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four and five stars of his twenty five guys that
he brings in. But I think Kentucky's class, I think
they've got to be comparable, right, I mean, every one
of these guys goes on after one year typically and
plays in the NBA. Yeah, I mean, I think the recruiters,
I think they're right there. But as far as the
results on the court, on the field, nick Saban hands
hands down. Yeah. I think the recruiting is obviously a

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strength of Nick's even but he doesn't have a situation
like John Calipari does where you could literally combine Duke
and North Carolina's teams over the last eight years and
they would have the same number of NBA draft picks
as what John Calipari has had. There's no way when
you look at Nick Saban's draft situation that there's anybody
even remotely close to that, right, Saban hasn't had twice

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as many NFL players as the number two school, whether
that's school, and I'm not even sure off the top
of my head, whether it's Ohio State, whether it's Florida State,
whether it's my you know, I don't even know what
the team would be out there, whether it's USC whichever
one's have had the most picks Clemson obviously has had
a lot here recently. UH does nothing similar to that.
L s U has obviously produced a ton of talent. Um,

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there's nothing at all similar to that L s U.
You just look at the overall early draft d list.
It's incredible. Um. Okay, And maybe L s U as
the example that makes sense for Calipari because they've had
obviously a lot of great talent. Uh, they just haven't
been able to win the championships like like Alabama would.
Last question for you. We're talking to Lance Taylor at
the Ance Taylor on Twitter yesterday. We spent a decent

(27:02):
amount of time and I bet you've talked about this
on your own show, talking about the dude in Indonesia
who got eaten by a python. Did you see this story?
I did, and I thought the funniest thing. Well, I
guess there's really no humor in this. I guess we're
becoming numb to some of these stories. But under the
pictures of dude's legs being cut out of this anaconda,

(27:24):
it says warning graphic con Yeah, it warns you below
after you've are in this dude that's been eating you know.
I didn't see the entire story. Obviously saw some of
the pictures. I know we were five years old. I
don't know if you have details. I assumed the guy
got drunk and passed out. I don't know. I don't
know exactly what happened. Um in terms of how he

(27:45):
ended up getting eaten, I don't think there's word that
he like what that's a good question, like how was
he initially grabbed by the by the python? I'm not sure.
But the question I'm gonna ask you is, and by
the way, again, like I said yesterday, you think your
life is not going very well. You think you're having
a rough day. Hey could be worse. You could have
been in Indonesia getting eaten by a python. So your

(28:05):
life is not really that bad in grand scheme of things.
Here's my question for you. What is the worst way
to die? Because yesterday I argued, strangled to death and
then eaten by a python might be the worst way
to die. We had a call or call in and
he came up with a worst way to die? In
your mind? What's the worst way to die? Okay, Well,
I gotta tell you this because we do a little

(28:26):
segment every day on our so called tracks on the table.
We do weird stories from all over the place, and
it was talked about in in the fifty States, you know,
what is the the the method of execution for for
death row inmates. And then we were talking about some
some old methods of execution that we're actually thrown out there.
And one was, uh, strangulation by a chord. And if

(28:48):
my whole thing is, can you imagine being the dude
the technically got to strangle the guy out with the cord.
They did that his official ways to execute people? Know,
that was one of the things on the table. This
was one of those it's like the the the uh
the College playoff football Committee actually coming out and throwing
different things out there. Yeah, but but one of the
things that was thrown out there was and one was
pushing pushing you off a cliff. I mean, it was

(29:09):
some random stuff. You gotta look this up. It's fascinating stuff.
But the worst way to die for me, um, you
saw the movie Casino, right, I mean, to have the
head and advice and have your eye pop out while
you're still alive, and just to just to have head
advice would be pretty bad. Right, that's awful. I I
think the guy came up with the best, the best answer.

(29:30):
He called in. He said, getting buried alive. I mean
that was that was on the table to the committee
through that out there, the execution committee. Yeah, that the
buried alive I think would be impossible to deal with
because you're inside of a casket, You're underneath there, like
I don't know, do you run out of air? Do
you like? It's it's an awesome it's pitch black like
you're I mean, I can't imagine dealing with that situation.

(29:53):
So I think that that was on the table, man.
So you you got to look at the the these
methods potential execution from back in to day. Have you
ever seen the movie The Vanishing with Jeff Bridges and
uh keep for Sutherland maybe a long time ago. It's
been out a while, right, Yeah, yeah, I think ninety
three was the year. And pathetic that I know that,
but um that that was there was a lot of

(30:13):
beard alive in that. Uh all right, my man, I
appreciate it. Always joins us every single week, usually on Friday.
Thanks and good luck gambling this weekend. That is Lance
Taylor at the Lance Taylor on Twitter. You can find
him there. I am Clay Travis. You were listening to
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(31:17):
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train to start off the weekend. It would ruin your weekend.
And I'm gonna tell you this right now. Speaking of
ruining your weekend, Kentucky has an awful lot of great
basketball fans, but they also have a collection of I

(31:39):
think the worst fans in America. I genuinely believe this.
I think that much like every group of of of
kind of fans, Like if you put fans together, they
create an overall culture. Right, it doesn't matter what your
fan bases, there is a culture that surrounds them. And

(32:00):
I think that Kentucky has had a toxic culture for
some time. And I think there are several reasons for that.
But what it manifests itself through, and I'm gonna get
into the reasons as well, and then I want to
take your calls. What it manifests itself through is decisions
like the one that they made when they were upset

(32:21):
over the loss to North Carolina this past weekend. Most
fan bases are upset when they lose. That certainly occurs
for every fan base in America when it comes to
the n c Double A Tournament. It certainly occurs for
every fan base when it comes to college football. And
I do think that college fan bases tend to be
the most irrational. Now why is that? I think probably

(32:44):
it's because there's a direct connection to your state. I
think generally everybody out there listening right now understands that
let's say the Oh, who do we want to say
the Atlanta Falcons, the Atlanta Falcons. We're just talking about
the city of Atlanta. The Atlanta Alcons represent the city
of Atlanta. But I don't think most people feel like, oh,

(33:04):
the Atlanta Falcons represent the heart and pride and connective
tissue and fabric of the state of Georgia, right. I
don't think that they feel that way about the Hawks.
I don't think they feel that way about any team.
The Braves a little bit more because I think the
Braves are the team of Atlanta if you had to
pick one. But not really, Okay, let's go to Texas. Houston.

(33:28):
The Houston Texans football team people care about, right, they
want to know who who's going to be the starting quarterback? There,
you care in a substantial fashion, but you don't really
feel like the Houston Texans represent the lone star state.
You don't really feel like the Rockets, even though they're

(33:49):
the third best team I think in the NBA this year,
represent everything that has to that has that that the
state of Texas stands for. What about the Texas long
warns what Texas A and M, but Texas Tech. If
you're a fan of one of those schools, it represents
not just your your school, but also the state. There's

(34:13):
some kind of fabric connection between the state universities and
their states and the big, bright, shining light programs in
a state. Whether it's Alabama, whether it is Kentucky, whether
it is the University of Georgia, those kind of programs

(34:33):
create and draw in everybody who's in the middle of
part of that state, right everybody who cares about sports
at all. Georgia and Texas are interesting examples because they
have so many pro sports franchises in those in those states.
What about a place where people are absolutely passionate about
sports and all they have is a college team. Everybody

(35:00):
who's an idiot in those places goes and ends up
a favorite of the same team. And in the state
of Kentucky, that is Kentucky. And as a result, when
Kentucky loses a basketball game, nobody out there saying, oh,
you know what, maybe we didn't do that well down
the stretch, Maybe we blew that five minute lead. Maybe

(35:21):
coach cow should have taken a time out right after
Moligue Monk hit that three to tie it. So we
don't end up with Luke May wide open in the
finals half second of that game, ending the game and
making a jumper that's almost as big as the Christian
late Near jumper was years ago. Maybe we don't end
up with that situation. No nobody blames their team, or

(35:41):
their coach or everything that surrounds the University of Kentucky. Instead,
you have to look for an external reason why your
team lost. All these NBA players, Coach cow can't be wrong.
We're Kentucky. The only reason we lost was because of
the officiating. And then, in addition to the fact that

(36:03):
the officiating is an issue in your mind, you take
it to the next level. You go on Facebook and
find this guy's Facebook page and deluge it with all
sorts of fake comments for his business. He's a roofer,
this guy, John Higgins. Deluge it with all these negative
things about his roofing business because you're angry about the

(36:26):
way and the decisions that he made on a basketball court.
And then that's not even enough. You've already reached out
to him online. You've already crushed him in every way
imaginable you can except somehow you get his phone number
and you start to deluge his house with calls and
death threats such that the FBI has to be called

(36:47):
in and he has to meet with authorities for two
hours this week. That's because of you, Kentucky fans. That's
because you don't self police the culture of your program.
That's because you're media is so all in on Kentucky
that if something negative happens, nobody talks about it, nobody
writes about it. It's all Big Blue Nation. Baby. I

(37:12):
went and I listened to the official broadcast from the
radio announcer of this game. The SEC should get involved.
Southeastern Conference Commissioner Greg Sanky needs to listen to that
audio and he needs to say, you know what, this
is unacceptable. The entire audio is the official is the
official announcers who represent the University of Kentucky blaming John

(37:35):
Higgins for losses. I'm gonna have to play some of
that audio for you in this show. And as a result,
Kentucky fans are not in any way corraled. It's time
to chase down these people who are making death threats
and prosecute them. People have this idea in an Internet
age that you can say whatever you want about anybody

(37:57):
and there's no consequences. I disagree. I hope that John
Higgins prosecutes these guys who called him and made death threats.
I'm gonna talk more about this at the top of
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(38:18):
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(38:43):
I wanted to use that UK fan Base segment we
just finished with Kentucky fan Base. We're gonna take your
calls here momentarily as an example of what I think
should happen. We should be prosecuting people when they make
death threats like this. By and large, people gotten used
to the idea that the Internet is this totally place

(39:05):
where no law applies, and you can basically tweet anything
that you want, and you can Facebook message anything that
you want. When in real life, if you walk up
to somebody and say I'm going to kill you, you
go to jail. Right, you should go to jail. And
in fact, everybody out there would find that to be

(39:26):
a socially abhorrent behavior. Right if you were at Thanksgiving
dinner and halfway through your Thanksgiving dinner somebody knocked on
the door and you went and opened it up, and
it was somebody standing there and they said, Hey, I'm
gonna kill you. The next time I see you, you'd
be like, oh my god, like, who is this crazy guy?

(39:47):
And it would almost always be a guy, and you
would probably call the police and the police would show
up and they'd be like, man, that's that's pretty crazy.
So somebody just showed up at your front porch and
knocked on your door and said they were gonna kill yeah.
But on the internet, people go on Twitter, they go
on Facebook, they go crazy a lot of times anonymously,
and they're like, I'm going to kill you and nothing happens.

(40:10):
I'm gonna kill your kids, nothing happens. I'm gonna kill
your wife, nothing happens. And so there's this idea that
the rules don't apply. And guess what the rules do apply.
The law should apply. These Kentucky fans who called John
Higgins and threatened to kill him should be prosecuted and
if they're convicted, they should go to jail. I think

(40:31):
it's high time to send a message that there are
standards that apply in situations such as these, because I
think a lot of fans feel like they're basically in
a zoo and there's a tiger behind the wall and
they can do whatever they want to the tiger. Because
the tiger can't get out John Higgins, what's he gonna do.
He has to bring insecurity to help protect his family
while he's away calling the Final Four. It's crazy, and

(40:54):
I think this is a toxic subculture of UK fans
Kentucky fans that the larger universe of Kentucky fan base
has allowed to exist. You're not self policing yourself. Your
media is encouraging your knuckle heads because it's one of
the most Homer medias that exists anywhere in the United States.

(41:15):
There are very few fan bases that have any more
of Homer media than Kentucky. And I think that spills
over final hour of this show. We may grab that audio.
In fact, if one of you can grab it for
me and text it to me. I've listened to it,
but it's a radio broadcast from Kentucky of the U
n C game. And throughout that radio broadcast, Kentucky fans

(41:36):
are being encouraged by the guy who's calling the game,
who's an employee of the University of Kentucky, to not
focus on everything else that's going on in the game
to be but to obsessively focus on the officiating. This
idea that somebody is out to get them. That's what
motivates calls like these. These idiot callers who are making
these death threats legitimately believe that the official went into

(41:59):
that game team intending for them not to win. Well,
if so, he blew it. Because you were up five
points with three three minutes ago. All you had to
do was look like you'd ever played offense against his
zone before. All you had to do was maybe maybe
cover Luke may crazy idea, Maybe not let him run
down the court and shoot a wide open jumper to win.

(42:20):
Maybe not rely on the fact that you're gonna have
to hit three threes in the final fifty four seconds
of the game after you got down by seven points.
Because you've gone scoreless for virtually four minutes. If he
was trying to guarantee that you were gonna lose, boy,
he'd done a really bad job of it. After thirty
seven minutes, because you guys were up five points, look
like you were gonna win. UNC was totally on the
ropes and then you couldn't score again. That was your

(42:42):
team's fault, that was your coach's fault. That was a
lot of credit to U n C as well, was
not the officials fault. Let's go to your calls. Brian
in Kentucky, what's up, Brian hey Man, Well, if he
started out this whole journey on the wrong foot, calling
all Kentucky fans dumb and saying that I think, like

(43:03):
Alabama America, you're your Alabama fans and winner coach, you're
the dumbest fan base in America. If you if we
had i Q test for fans, Kentucky fans would test
the lowest. Yeah, And once again you said, this was
a national broadcast at radio, and maybe you need ratings
because you sound a lot like Colin Coward and you
can't get your own clue and basic judgment that not

(43:24):
all fans are the same. We don't have us a national,
big league, big time professional sport. We live in Breede,
Kentucky basketball. If you can't like that we're talking about it,
that's an awful call. Hang up on Brian. First of all,
saying that you need ratings and compare me to calling
Cowherd is like it's like saying, man, you're on television

(43:47):
and you're trying to be like Game of Thrones. Colin
Cowherd is one of the best people to ever do
sports talk radio in the history of the medium. It's
like calling into somebody who's doing morning radio and saying,
you're trying to be like Howard Stern. Yeah, I'd like
to be like the best person to ever do my
job in the history of the universe. Any other fashion,
you would never call in and be like, oh, Lebron

(44:08):
James trying to be like Michael Jordan and wins six championships. Yeah, no, kidding,
He's trying to be the best at what he does. Yeah,
I'm trying to be the best at what I do
and I'm pretty damn good. Not a thirty seven year
old in the country who has a national tough sports
soccer radio show now another thirty seven year old in
the country who's founded his own website that twenty million
people a year read, I'm pretty damn good at what

(44:31):
I do and Kentucky fans are dumb. Daniel in Kentucky,
what's up. I'm just gonna be dumb like the last
guy and say that you're talking about an entire fan
base when only a few, a very small amount are Yeah,
but nobody else's fan base is doing this in any measure.

(44:54):
Tell me to tell me the last time that a
fan base called officials houses, went on the internet, deluged
his business with fake ratings, and then called his house
to such an extent that the FBI had to be
called in because of all the death threats. There was
just an independent release yesterday of all officials talking about
getting calls getting death threats. It's not it's not an

(45:14):
isolated deal. It's pretty isolated. It's pretty isolate, it's pretty rare,
it's pretty rared. Why are you blaming the officials when
your own team couldn't score against his own defense. I'm
not I'm just I'm just talking about what you're saying.
I'm fine was losing in North Carolina. Thanks for the
call North Carolina's better team, got a better coach, got

(45:36):
better fans. Not it's dumb. I'm telling you right now.
If we had an i Q test, i Q test
of all sports fans, Kentucky basketball fans would show the
would would test the lowest. They're the dumbest. Doesn't mean
every fan's dumb. I got a lot of UK fan friends.
They're very smart, but they helped raise the average for
all the dumb people out there. Johnny and Virginia. What's up, Johnny,

(45:58):
Hey Clay. I just wanted to get on and say you,
I grew up a UK fan. In the previous three years.
I actually moved to Kentucky. I'm not from Kentucky. After
living there for three years and listen to guys like
Tom Leach like you're talking about, it made me really
question if I still wanted to be a fan there.
There are some great fans, fantastic people. But listen to

(46:22):
Kentucky Sports Radio and Matt Jones. You might want to
look into that guy and Tom Leach. They just add
this stuff on this Kentucky can do no wrong. Every
loss was the officials fault. It Uh, it is really
pretty bad. And I had the question whether or not
I wanted to be a part of Big Blue Nation
after living there for three years. I appreciate the call, Johnny.
I think there are a lot of people out there

(46:43):
that make that decision. I know a bunch of my buddies.
They say, Man, I love UK, but I hate our
fan base. And that's because the fan base is toxic.
There's a very vibrant core of Kentucky fans, and you're right,
the majority of them are not the kind of people
who are going to call officials. But the existence of
this core that does that, goes on the Internet and

(47:07):
blast people like crazy, that makes death threats, They are
a cancer. And I think the FBI needs to prosecute him.
I need to bring him in find out who made
these calls, just like we went after all the people
who made the calls threatening to blow up the Jewish
community centers, right. We had a massive man hunt to
figure out who these people are. Because it's unacceptable in

(47:31):
to make calls like that. Why would we be investigating
that and taking it very seriously and not also investigating
this and taking it very seriously. I think this is
an incredibly serious accusation. If you call somebody and threatened
to kill them. You should go to jail. That's my belief.
I think there are a lot of fans out there,
and a lot of them are Kentucky fans who don't

(47:51):
believe that that's true. Andrew in Atlanta, what's up. I
was just going to chime in and say, I guaranteed
you look at majority of these people who are making
these calls and death threats, and none of them actually
went to that schoolboy who actually went to that school
has too much other stuff to be worrying about, job, career,
whatever it might be, to be getting disinvolved. Um, you know,

(48:14):
you just chopped up to a good game and you
move on and go until I appreciate Yeah, thanks for
calling in. Good luck with I eighty five down in Atlanta.
That's the truth. And this is a black eye for
the University of Kentucky. And this happens a lot of
times the University of Alabama to places where there's no
pro sports franchise in the state. The people who could
never get into the university, the people who couldn't point

(48:37):
to Lexington on a map, the people who couldn't point
to Tuscaloosa on a map, end up being a toxic
representation of your university and of your fan base. They
have no interest whatsoever, and being able to go to
school there, they have no interest whatsoever. And why the
university exists. It's just for those games. I guarantee you
they bring out the prosecutors they do this investigation. The

(48:57):
people they charge of the crime did not go to
the university Kentucky. They're making your fan base look bad,
but the media up there and the fan base at large,
you have a responsibility to try to corral the idiots
and your fan base, let them know what's acceptable and
what's not acceptable. And I don't think they do a
good job of that because they're always looking for external factors.
The reason why Kentucky lost is not because John Calipari

(49:18):
is underachieved with twenty eight NBA players. It's because the
officials are out to get us. The reason why Kentucky
lost has nothing to do with the fact that we
didn't score for the final four minutes of the game
until suddenly we hit a several threes in the final minute.
It's because the officials were aligned against us in the
first half and because they made calls that didn't benefit
this guess what. Every single team on Earth has calls

(49:40):
that go against them over the course of the game.
Most of them grow up and realize that that's not
the reason they want are lost. And in fact, again
for Kentucky fans, you're up five with three minutes to go,
you couldn't score. That's the reason you lost this game.
Mark and Louisville, what's up? Heay Clay? Before I talked
about Kentucky, just want to mention that every fan bay
across the country for college teams has about a great

(50:04):
fan base douchebag ratio. The only place that's not true
is Cincinnati, and it's inverted um in Kentucky. You know,
I'm a Kentucky fan, grew up a Kentucky fan, and
I had the displeasure of spending several years living in
eastern Kentucky, east of pretty much that's where our entire
douchebag fan base lives. And they have nothing going on

(50:28):
there except except Kentucky basketball. And they're the ones who
do this kind of stuff. What should happen should be prosecuted, Oh,
absolutely absolutely, But this is a culture that believes wholeheartedly
that you if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying, and
I had to deal with that for several years living there,
and I thank god I got out of that place

(50:48):
before they were able to poison me. Like they are
appreciate the call um. I do think that it's it is. Look,
every fan base has a segment of the population that
you don't like as much. This doesn't happen in pro
sports very often, right, And it's not a coincidence. I
started off the last segment talking about the fact that
it's because people believe that this school represents their state

(51:09):
and the very fabric of their being, so when they lose,
they take it as an insult, almost like in the
hatfield of McCoy days. It's not a coincidence, hal Felton
McCoy happened right in the border between Kentucky and West Virginia. Right,
It's it's not a surprise that the same people are
now putting everything that they own instead of into their family,

(51:29):
they're putting everything that they own into the team. But
this doesn't happen with pro sports, right. I can't remember
it happening anyway where a team loses, you know, if
let's say the Warriors, the Warriors gave up a three
to one deficit. People who were Golden State fans weren't
calling NBA officials threatening to kill them. They didn't call
Adam Silver threatening to kill him because he suspended Draymond

(51:51):
Green for Game five. And that's a direct connection between
wins and losses. It just doesn't happen in the NFL,
doesn't happen in the NBA, it doesn't happen in Major
League Baseball. I think again, because those teams are rooted
in cities, and their fans tend to live in cities,
and people buy and large in cities have learned how
to deal with their team's winning or losing, and these

(52:11):
rural areas they can't handle it. I don't know again.
I'd love to see the prosecution, and then I would
love to see who these individuals are. You make a
death threat, you need to go to jail. That needs
to be the message that we send to fans up next.
You're gonna absolutely love this. We've got Jason Whitlock. He's
gonna hang with us for a little bit of time.
Get ready, get your popcorn ready. It's gonna be smart,
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(52:32):
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Jason Willock, I feel like I need an app After that,
we bring in one of my favorite guests on the show,
one of your favorite guests to hear from, Jason Whitlock
at Whitlock Jason on Twitter. What's up, my man? How
are you? I'm very good? How are you? I? I'm
living the dream. It's early in the morning, I get
to talk about sports. Life doesn't get better. UM, all right,
So you and I we talked at decent amount. I

(53:56):
like to bounce ideas off you. You like to bounce
ideas off of me. And one of the things that
I wrote about recently, UM on Wednesday afternoon, I posted
a column tried to dive into this question that I
think a lot of viewers out there have. What's up
with ESPN's decision to embrace left wing sports? And this
is something that you've written about about a lot, Jason

(54:17):
talked about a lot at this point in time. I
think it's fair to say for people out there who
don't know Caitlyn Jenner, Michael Sam, Colin Kaepernick, all of
them have been embraced by ESPN all have had different
left wing related issues that they've been involved in. And
your position, my position, sports fans tend to be either
conservative or they want to escape politics when they come

(54:40):
to sports. What is the ESPN doing? What do you
think is going on? I think that at the very least,
you know, they're following the lead of their leaders of
and that would be Bob Iiser and John Skipper, and

(55:00):
you know, I think both have let off very very
strong signals that you know, they lean way left and uh.
And I think that that coincides with, you know, the
ascension of dead Spin and now the fall of Deathspen.

(55:23):
But when dead Spin was ascending over the past decade,
it became far left and it started bullying people to
you know, match their politics or their point of view politically,
and ESPN took the board the brunt of that, and
I think that accelerated things. And then I think that

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people in the sports media executives realized that, man, if
you don't pander to the far left point of view,
you could be in some jeopardy here because Dead's been
will go after you in an unethical way. Uh. And
so I think it's a combination of you know, John
Skipper and Bob Iker, I think have made their politics

(56:07):
crystal clear and a outside force entered the sports media
landscape and and help people accelerate their move to the left.
And then I think you know the column you wrote
about Bob Iger, because it certainly has been uh referenced
in other media outlets and reporters have talked about he

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has an interest perhaps or people have an interest in
him running for president in and so he could be
executing a game plan that with match up well with
his presidential run. He could also be executing a game
plan that keeps him in the presidential discussion, which puts

(56:49):
pressure on the Disney board UH to keep retaining him
as the CEO of Disney and keep getting those you know,
thirty forty million dollar contract extensions. You know, It's it's
an interesting point because people would say, Okay, I don't
think there's any doubt Bob Iger, who's the CEO of
Disney which owns ESPN, is a liberal guy. Right. He
he held the press company, he held a fundraiser for

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Hillary Clinton out in Hollywood. All those things are true.
And some people would say just because he's liberal, and
just because he is considering running for president doesn't mean
that his politics are going to filter down to the
company that he runs. How would you respond to people
who would make that argument that you know, any leader

(57:32):
of a company UH that massive, that powerful, UH in
an environment in America where things have been so unstable
since two thousand seven two eight economically, and there's so
much fear among UH employees that are you know, forty

(57:54):
and above. You know it's the boss lets off signals
about where he stands politically. People are gonna move that
direction because people want to keep their jobs. It's just UH,
is survival is in you know, is in all of us.
That's our number one instinct. And so UH when again,

(58:17):
when a Bronx makes their politics that crystal clear, it's
only natural that employees are gonna follow it. Is. It
is kind of fascinating how that would filter all the
way down. And my theory on this, and you can
go read my column and out kick the coverage, my
theory is that I think you have a good one too.
I think that Bob I you're considering being president both
puts the pressure on the Disney board and it also

(58:39):
makes him more relevant. The more serious of a job
you're considering the more relevant you are at the job
that you have right now as well. And he's behaving
in a way that is very much like a head
of state would. He opened recently the New Disney World
in China as part of a huge partnership that that
Disney undertook with China. He met with the Pope earlier
this week. He is on President Trump's manufacturing counsel, even

(59:02):
though he's gotten some criticism for that, because he argues
that's sitting beside the president helps him to understand what
he would be able to do. My argument is if
I your runs in that he is going to run
as the inclusive capitalist. In other words, he's gonna argue
that Donald Trump is an exclusive capitalist, this guy who
only wants to make the rich richer. He's gonna cite

(59:23):
what he did at ESPN and what he has done
at Disney, whether it's having gay characters in Beauty and
the Beast when it's totally unnecessary relative to the story.
It's kind of just a nod to the gay community
that hey, Disney's out here, we care about you. And
also a lot of the decisions that ESPN is making
turning Colin Kaepernick into a global icon over his decision

(59:44):
to take a knee, arguing that Michael sam is the
equivalent of Jackie Robinson and saying that Caitlin Jenner is
deserving of an sp for bravery because she decided to
become a woman. All of these things I think are
calculated decisions made by the law your corporation to embrace
quote unquote progressive thought, even if the average fan out

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there doesn't agree with it. So do you buy into
the idea that he might run for president? That's the
big question right here. I do I think there's a
decent chance that he could run for president. Do you
buy that it could happen? Yeah, I think more than
you or I thinking he could, which I do think
he could. But again, serious news outlets that follow this stuff,

(01:00:27):
New York Magnazine another, they think he could run for president.
So you know your thoughts. My thoughts are kind of uh.
You know, people involved in politics keep having a discussion
with him about running for some sort of office. Uh.
And I just don't understand why I got that powerful

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that runs a company with that marge of a brand. Uh,
you know, is he gonna run for governor or after
looking at what Trump did. Hell, why not just go
for the whole thing. I think that's that's the new
normal for any high power businessman once Trump set that standard,
So you know, yeah, I think he could. Uh listen here,

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here's what I think though, in terms of examples of
ESPNS moved to the left, I think the strongest indictment
and the most the most problematic thing they have going
on is when the Budsman uh writes a piece after
talking with ESPN employees, where people who have middle of

(01:01:37):
the road conservative thoughts feel like they're in a hostile
environment where they can't be who they are expressed who
they are because the ESPN is intolerant of their views.
That's a problem. That's a real problem, and that's you know,

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I think objective people with argue. Uh, that is a
real indictment of a sports media outlet. Hey listen to
if you wanna be Fox News and be MSNBC, those
guys are clearly in the political arena, and there is

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some equivalent. You know, there's the right wing Fox News,
there's the far left wing MSNBC, and they're CNN, which
is traditionally been unpredictable where it lands politically. But but
in the sports media world, we've always been kind of
like politics neutral. You can have any point of view

(01:02:40):
that that you know, from someone like me. That's what's
been frustrating for me is because I built my entire
career based off the Mike roy Coo philosophy of being
unpredictable with my point of view on race and other
social issues and even policies. I don't particip and paid

(01:03:00):
in politics. I don't really consider myself a political person,
but my political views have been unpredictable, and there had
been a big value in being seen as the objective
person who could come down on either side. And you know,
I wake up, you know, at the peak of my

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career and now there's all this hostility towards me because
my views are unpredictable. And you know, when I look
back at my second stint and and hell, even my
first entity, ESPN, I can see clearly now how it
was my political point of view that was so repugnant

(01:03:43):
at ESPN and there was just no support, uh for
anybody that held my point point of view within ESPN.
And I look across the you know, entire sports media landscape,
and again ESPN has called the world old wide leader.
They called themselves that they set the tone, they set

(01:04:04):
the agenda for the rest of the sports media. And
so I'm still struggling in two thousand seventeen left because
I see the rest of the sports media infected by
this ESPN philosophy and point of view and hostility towards
people that have Middle American or conservative or any type

(01:04:25):
of conservative values. And again We've talked about this plently before.
I'm just not a political person. I'm really not a
right wing person. I'm just a guy that politically can
go either way. But if you're not in that hardcore,
uh left wing lane as a sports media person, there's

(01:04:45):
hostility for you wherever you're at. We got more with
Jason Whitlock coming up next, but first let's find out
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ESPNS on Budsman wrote in late December, and this is
a direct quote from his article, which was up on
ESPN dot com. We've done a great job of diversity,
said longtime ESPN anchor Bobb Lee. But the one place
we have miles to go is diversity of thought. Many
ESPN employees I talked to and again this is the ombudsman,
including liberals and conservatives, most of whom preferred to speak

(01:05:31):
on background, worry that the company's politics have become a
little too obvious, empowering those who feel as if they're
in line with the company's position, and driving underground those
who don't. If you're a Republican or conservative, you feel
the need to talk in whispers. And one conservative ESPN
employee said, there's even a fear of putting Fox News

(01:05:52):
on a TV in the office. It's a fascinating little window.
And the Big Lead did a recent survey Jason where
said who did you vote for for president? And ninety
six percent of the sports media said that they voted
against Donald Trump. That was I believe four percent of
their respondents said that they voted for Donald Trump. You're

(01:06:14):
not political, I've said on this show many times before.
I used to work in democratic politics. I think the
left wing has gone so far left that now I
haven't really moved, but I'm now in the middle part
of the country as opposed to the left. And I
voted for Gary Johnson, who I thought was a flawed candidate,
but just because I had a great deal of distaste
for both Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. Now that's me personally.

(01:06:34):
You can vote for whoever you want to as you
listen out there. But for people who are listening to
us right now, and they're saying, well, why does this matter?
Why does it matter? If sports now is starting to
adopt a liberal agenda? And I think you're right. I
don't think it's just ESPN. I think you can see
it at Fox. I think you can see it in NBC.
I think you can see it at CBS. I think
you can see it across our industry. As I said,
if only four percent of people voted for the person

(01:06:57):
who was elected president, there's a profound disconnect. Why does
this matter? What would you say to those people? Well, one,
I would say that if you understand the culture of sports,
all sports. I don't say this as a political statement,
take the politics out of it, but the values in

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sports tend to be conservative. I mean, the same tenants
that are taught in conservative politics are basically taught in sports.
And so that's why you see UH sports media at
odds with sports culture sports culture, and UH the NFL,

(01:07:45):
which is at the top of the American sports food chain,
has like Pete Roselle and these guys that they came
up with a plan that we're going to attach the
NFL to everything about traditional American UH patriotism and the
military and all this stuff, and we're gonna make sports
fans feel like going to our games is other than

(01:08:10):
joining the military, is the most patriotic thing you can do. Now,
you can blast Goodell, I mean, Pete Roselle in the
NFL for doing this in a typic, critical or whatever,
but it's fit sports in Americana. That's what it's always
been about. And you know, you can say, hey, well

(01:08:30):
that's just a money play and a ton of ethical
but it is what it is. So I think the
sports media is now at odds with sports culture, and
I mean with you know, with sports culture, and I
think they're trying to change and reshape sports culture into
something far left wing. And that's why you see the NBA,

(01:08:52):
which is all in on this, and UH as a
sports fan, and I'm a hardcore NBA sports fan. This
move to the far left makes me uncomfortable. It's not
what I've grown to expect from the sports world. And again,

(01:09:12):
and we're also not catering to hardcore sports fans anymore.
We're catering to the fringes, people that kind of have
an interest in sports. They didn't play it, they didn't
cover it, they don't really love it. It's just a
tool to talk politics and try to influence. Again, Barack
Obama didn't end up on ESPN every year picking his

(01:09:35):
NT double a tournament bracket on accident and just because
it's fun and he wanted to do it. He was
trying to communicate where Middle America and sports fans about politics.
That's why he'd go into that lane. And he's trying
to again move the culture a direction the left wanted

(01:09:56):
to go. Again, I just don't think this matches up
with traditional sports fans. And then I just think, you know,
for someone like me, uh who has who thirty years
ago or twenty eight years ago came up with the

(01:10:18):
game plan of analyzing sports through a lens of race
and culture and trying to explain America through sports and
and this thing is and I'm personalizing it, but but
this thing has moved so dramatic, really fast. And again

(01:10:38):
where my thoughts are outlawed, they're they're seeing as dangerous.
And you can't have someone who grew up in the church,
who grew up in sports, who tries to reflect the
values talked to him in sports and talked to him
in the church. And again, if you listen to all
these athletes, first thing, many of them do it, thank God,

(01:11:01):
and all this others, I'm that guy. And again, so
my whole life is through football and through the church,
and I'm the outsider. Now I'm the guy whose voice, uh,
people are trying to silence. I just think this is reprehensible.
I think it's unfair to those of us who grew

(01:11:26):
up with those values, sports values and religious values and
Middle American values. We're now the outsider and people that
again never played it, never covered it, don't care about it.
They're the insiders, and they're controlling the conversation. And again
I think it's one of the reasons if you really
someone sat down with Nick Saban, I'll take it all

(01:11:48):
the way to to your home base SEC football. If
someone sat down with Nick Saban and and really got
at the heart of why he keeps taking a dump
on the media and why he's feisty with the media.
It's because he's looking at whether if you look at
all his comments, he's basically arguing, like, man, people that
don't know a damn thing about this sport are controlling

(01:12:11):
the conversation about this sport, and they think they're installing
things and rules and regulations that are improving sports. But
Nick said, like, no, no, I'm an expert at college football.
This is I'm the authority here, and the direction we're
going following this group of idiots and people with political
agendas is actually damaging college football. And I think if

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you really talk to people in other sports, they may
not understand it as acutely as uh Nick Saban, but
they feel the same way. And so that I guess
that would be my explanation and why it's problematic. We're
gonna talk with Jason Wentlock finished with him final segment.

(01:12:55):
If you think a train will stop if it sees
your car on the tracks, you're right at will about
my all after it hits you stop. Trains can't. I'm
Clay Travis's OutKick on Fox Sports Radio. Perfect Song Live
from the Getico Fox Sports Radio Studios. We're talking to
Jason Whitlock at Whitlock Jason, Jason, what would you say

(01:13:16):
critics out there listening? A lot of people are gonna
be listening to this on podcast or elsewhere. They would say, Well,
ESPN maybe liberal, but you, Clay Travis and you Jason Whitlock,
you're both conservative guys. Would you buy into that at all?
Do you agree? No? I wouldn't because I think because
people would have to as it relates to me. And
I'm not trying to distance myself from you. I'm just

(01:13:38):
talking from my point of view as it relates to me.
You judge my entire body of work as a journalist.
My point of view has been pretty consistent, and my
body of work speaks for itself. When I worked at
Fox Sports previously, I freelanced articles for the Huffington Post. Uh.

(01:14:01):
I got into a major fight with Bill O'Reilly because
of the stuff I wrote about gun control. Uh. I
could go through a whole litany of things that just
my point of view has always been unpredictable. And uh,

(01:14:21):
even when I again, when I worked at Fox Sports,
from two thousand and seven to two thousand and thirteen. Again,
my point of view and the ability to be unpredictable
was clear and self evident. Uh. And so I don't
have a political agenda. I'm not trying uh to reflect

(01:14:44):
MSNBC or Fox News or anything. I'm trying to be me.
And uh it's a lot harder now than it was
previously in the sports media to be me and be
the guy that can go either direction. Uh. So you know,

(01:15:04):
I just think any objective evaluation of my entire body
of work says I don't have that kind of political agenda.
I do think that as things at it has become
more hostile for me to express my conservative values. I've
probably dug in a little bit deeper, doug my feet

(01:15:27):
in the ground, a little bit deeferent, Like no, no, no, no,
you're not taking this away from me. It's it's part
of who I am. Uh. The whole demonization of conservative
people of any color bothers me again, because if you
grow up in football and you grow up in the church, Uh,
you just don't demonize people the way the left, the

(01:15:51):
far left has been deemon I all, if your conservative,
you must be racist. You must hate black. But I
know too many Middle American conservative who have been good
to me through sports, through friendship, through everything that I
just can't tell. I know Trump voters. I just can't
write them off because I know them and I know

(01:16:12):
what's driving them. It's not that, Oh, they're just racism,
blah blah blah. And so again, I think his things
have moved further to the left of the sports media.
It's made me dig my heels in a little bit
deeper in terms of some of my conservative values, where
now you know, out of almost out of defiance, I'm
I'm expressing all of my conservati values and not touching

(01:16:36):
on some of the things where I'm a bit more
liberal like I used to, because the freedom is just
not there. It's like everybody there's almost no room to
express any of my liberal thoughts because everybody else is
already there. Uh. It's not new, it's not original. It's
the same drumbeat. And all the originality is in actually

(01:16:59):
staying true too sports values in sports culture. That sounds
original when you express opinions from that point of view,
which are inherent and natural and force. That's the original
fault and that's what I've always been into original, fought,
outstanding stuff as always, Jason Whitlock, go follow him at Whitlock. Jason,

(01:17:20):
I want to get him on as frequently as he'll
come on with us. Thanks, ma'am, Thank you. Cluse that
is Whitlock. You can react eight seven seven nine nine
six six three six nine. Final hour of the show
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of that by going and downloading the podcast pod kiss.
That'd be an interesting phase, uh. Downloading the podcast at
iTunes and Robert you said that yesterday's Yesterday's Show is
the second most downloaded ever. Yes, Sir, Lane Kiffin shout

(01:18:27):
out to Joey Freshwater second mode downloaded podcasting out kick
the recently radio history seaking only to the ice Cube,
second only to ice Cube. Interesting. People want to hear
ice Cube. They want to hear Lane Kiffin. My thanks
to you guys yesterday. I want to say this, and
I say it periodically. It probably should do it more often.
We're all part of the big fractious family, right. Some

(01:18:48):
days you agree with me, some days you disagree with me.
Some days you want to strangle me. Some days you
want me to run for president. That's what radio does.
But what I would say is when we have a
guest on and you really enjoy them and and are
are trigued by what they say, or just appreciate them
giving their time to come on here. We're not paying people, right.
We bring people on as guests and we talk to

(01:19:09):
them because I think it's entertaining go out and reach
out to them, and a lot of you are doing that,
and I always enjoy it. You reach out to me
and give me feedback all day long. But if you
hear a guest, go grab him at Whitlock Jason. A
ton of you are reacting to that on Twitter, most
of it very positive, and it's good. I'm speaking now
from my own perspective when I go on as a

(01:19:30):
guest to different show, when I go on shows all
over the country, I appreciate hearing back from people, even
if you don't think I'm a genius, even if you
think I'm an idiot. It lets me know that people
are engaged in listening to what's going on. We've got
a massive audience and it's growing every single day because
you guys are doing such a good job evangelizing for
the show. And a big part of that is because

(01:19:50):
people who come on his guests, you guys react to them.
So you just heard from Jason Whitlock. Earlier, you heard
from Lance Taylor. The number of people who tweeted Lane
Kiffin after he came on the Outkicks show was fantastic.
If you are enjoying the show and you are enjoying
the guests, I just really do appreciate and I think
the guests do too. If you go on social media
and give him feedback. Let him know you were listening,
even if you don't agree with everything that they were saying.

(01:20:12):
I always think that's positive. We are going to do
several things in this final hour. We're gonna talk to
LaVar ball Uh, the father of Alonzo ball at the
bottom of the hour. I think he's done every other
show in America, so I figured he might as well
do hours too. So we're gonna talk to him at
the bottom of the hour about U C l A,
about Alonzo and everything else, the controversies that surround his
speaking out on behalf of his son in the way

(01:20:33):
that he has. We will talk to him at the
bottom of the hour. We are going to open up
the phone lines now eight seven, seven, three, six nine
and allow you to go ahead and load those up
for reaction to whitlock, and also for your opportunity to
start lining up for I Hate You, Clay Travis, which
we will do next segments. So if you hate me
and you want an opportunity to tee off on me,

(01:20:54):
this is your opportunity. We've been talking all week, We've
got fourteen hours in the books. Certainly I've had to
say things that have driven you and saying this week,
this is your opportunity. Every week on Friday, in the
final hour, we do a little segment we'd like to
call I Hate You Clay Travis, So that will be
the entirety of next segment, but you can go ahead
and dive in eight seven, seven, three, six nine other

(01:21:14):
topics we've hit on already in this show. Obviously, the
Calves came out and lost to the Bulls. I'm not
a Calves believer. I actually am close to believing that
they're not even gonna be the Eastern Conference representative in
the NBA Finals. We talked about that quite a bit
an hour one. We also then an hour to talk
with Jason Whitlock. Again. You can go back and listen
to it on the podcast if you only heard a
part of it. I always know it's a good interview

(01:21:36):
when people are saying that that they stayed in their
car when they pulled into work because they wanted to
see how it ended. So hopefully you guys will will
be able to go back and listen to that on
the podcast if you have not been able to listen
to it already. Would be most of our two I
also went off on Kentucky fans, and I believe that,
in particular, Kentucky fans who called and made death threats
to John Higgins need to be prosecuted to the fullest

(01:21:58):
sixteen of the law. I think it time to start
to treat people the way that they behave such that
you don't feel like you get a free pass. I
don't think you should be able to tweet things or
facebook things to people, or certainly telephone them without any
expectation of penalty associated with it. If you saw John
Higgins on the street and you walked up to him

(01:22:18):
and you said, I'm gonna kill you, you would deserve
to be arrested. I think everybody would agree with that.
Why should you be able to call him on the phone,
Why should you be able to tweet? Why should you
be able to Facebook message the same things. It's high time,
I mean this, it's high time that authorities start to
prosecute statements like this to send a message about what's
acceptable and unacceptable in modern society. And I'm telling you,

(01:22:41):
the fact that it hasn't happened is what has led
to social media in many respects, turning into such an
absolute circus where no rules apply. I'm a First Amendment absolutist.
You guys know that we open up the phone lines,
you guys can say anything, But I think I draw
the line at threats. When you threaten to kill somebody,
you should go to jail for that threat. Just like

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we did a huge investigation into all these phone calls
that were being that were originating and going to Jewish
community centers across this country. They found a Jewish guy,
ridiculously enough, a teenager in Israel who was primarily behind those,
and then a Black Lives Matter activists in Missouri. Those
were the guys that they have arrested for making those calls.
But they treated them seriously and they tracked down who

(01:23:24):
it was that was responsible for them. I think we
should do the same thing for Kentucky fans who are
out here doing and making death threats to John Higgins.
They should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law,
and you should go to jail if you are convicted
of violating the law. Death threats should not be taken
any less seriously because they're happening online. When you send
a message to fans and everybody else out there about

(01:23:46):
what's appropriate and what's inappropriate? Um, and uh, let's go
into your phone calls eight seven seven three six nine.
We've got Cecil in California. What's up Cecil to talk you. Um. Actually,
I just had a comment that, you know, your last
guests made a good point about sports fans. You know, basically,

(01:24:08):
I'm a sports fan and I'd rather just listen to sports.
I don't like the politics or anything like that. I
believe the NFL in the skin they're trying to broaden
their base as far as viewership, and you know, because
of hardcore sports fan Julian conservative, but you have them already,
so you're not gonna lose them. Versus, if they could

(01:24:28):
broaden the base people that really don't watch sports, they
can open the door to get more of them. So
they're catering to that, and they bully people in a
sense with being PC, so they bully people into catering
to that group of people. Yeah, it's an interesting call.
I mean, there was a recent study that I read

(01:24:50):
on ESPN and people think that ESPN is now liberal programming,
think it's right wing. So if you're watching ESPN now,
I think there is a clear political agenda, and I
think there are a lot of people out there, myself
included among this, that just wants sports to be entertainment.
I like to use the the analogy of sports is
with my kids. If I tell my kids, if you

(01:25:12):
finish your dinner, you get ice cream, then they're incentivized
to finish their dinner and get to the ice cream.
And I think sports is the ice cream of life
for many people. Right, most of you out there recognized,
unless you're a Kentucky fan that sports is not life
or death. You're probably not going to call an official
and threatened to kill him over whether or not your
favorite team one. It gets your passions up, it gives

(01:25:34):
you something to look forward to. It's an escape from
real life. And I think what has happened with the ESPN,
with the Caitlin Jenner crap, and with Michael sam being
treated like he's Jackie Robinson, and with now Colin Kaepernick
being treated like he's Rosa Parks by ESPN. I think
a lot of people out there so wait a minute,
this is totally a political agenda now. And what happens

(01:25:54):
is it's like, from my perspective, if I tell my kids,
you're gonna get ice cream after you finish your meal,
and then instead I give them broccoli. They're gonna lose
their minds. And I think that's what we're starting to
see with ESPN. The rankings are taking are tanking. They
are Like I said the other day, I think I
said this on my podcast, but one of you tweeted me.
ESPN and their main six o'clock Sports center show the

(01:26:15):
other day had an all female panel discussing Joe Mixon. Well,
think about who the audience is for ESPN. Most people
who come home at the end of their day, they
want to pop a beer open, they want to put
on ESPN and get the news of the sports day.
I really do believe that that is the vast majority
of their audience, and instead they have a panel discussing
Joe Mixon. Well, first of all, it's all female panel

(01:26:37):
discussing Joe Mixon. It's not a news story right now.
If you want to discuss Joe Mixon right before the
um the draft, I get it. That's in May. If
you want to discuss Joe Mixon right after the video
comes out, or even right after his pro day, I
get it. Joe Mixon is of the topic of the day.
It's the number one topic, but there's not anybody out there. Look,

(01:26:59):
I would talk about Joe Mixon. We've talked about Joe
Mixon a lot on this show. And if you don't
know Joe Mixon, he's the Oklahoma running back who punched
a girl on video broker jaw in four places, never
got kicked out of school at Oklahoma, continued to represent
them on the football field, and it's now going pro
and the question is should he or should he not
be drafted? That's a good topic, but there's nothing that's
happened that means that that topic needs to happen right now.

(01:27:21):
There's no additional story, So why would I want to
get like take myself out of this uh, out of
the equation of being a sports talk radio host. If
I'm a regular dude. And that's the vast majority of
ESPN's audience over their audiences. Mail and I come home
after a long day of work and I popped the
top of my beer and I put my feet up.
Do I want to watch an all girl panel discuss

(01:27:42):
what Joe? What should happen with Joe Mixon? On a
day when the NBA this was and I didn't don't
watch a lot of television, right, But you guys started
tweeting me about this on a day when the Warriors
and the Spurs are playing, on the week of the
Final Four, when there are a lot of stories out
there and a warts that are actually current. Is that
something I want to watch? The answers no, And ESPN

(01:28:04):
is being totally torpedoed in their ratings. Now, what Whitlock
said and I think is interesting is it's not just
a ESPN. I think a lot of the programming that
Fox puts on is shadow ESPN programming. Now, you know,
we put on Undisputed, which is basically First Stake, except
it's on Fox, and it's not that much different in
terms of its tone than the tone that ESPN has.

(01:28:27):
And I think that's true at CBS, and I think
that's true at NBC. And that's why I pointed out
to Whitlock the big Lee Jason McIntire, really talented guy
who also works at Fox. But he had an interesting
media survey where he said, Okay, who'd you vote for
for president? Of people did not in the media who
would participated in that survey did not vote for Donald Trump.

(01:28:48):
Only four percent did that's insane, right, considering this guy
won the election with the vote, and Donald Trump won
the election with the majority of sports fan votes. You
may out of voted for him. I didn't. You may
not like Donald Trump. I think he's a little bit crazy,
but the majority of sports fans voted for him. And
so if you have a huge distinction between what sports

(01:29:11):
fans like in the world of sports and what an
elite level media on the East Coast and the West
Coast believes sports fans like, that's a huge disconnect. And
so I think things like that matters. And I think
Jason Whitlock and I our very middle of the road guys,
but we seem like right wing ideologues because the sports

(01:29:34):
media is so far left wing. And I've made this
argument the reason why I'm having such success is not
because I'm conservative. It's not because I'm a liberal. It's
because I'm right smack dab in the middle. And I
think and look both to the left and the right
and think, man, you guys are crazy on the left
and the right. And I think that's where most of
America is. The Most of America just like sports. You know,

(01:29:55):
they don't want to put turn on and and and
and get social engineered. They don't want to esp in
telling them at Caitlin Jenner is a hero because she
decided to wear a dress. I'm crazy. I'm real old school.
I think in order to be a hero you have
to risk life for liberty. You certainly don't get awards
for it. Caitlyn Jenner is not going to jail. Her

(01:30:17):
life's not in danger. Hell, you're more in danger of
calling a Kentucky basketball game than you are turning transgender.
In this modern society, John Higgins would have been a
lot safer if he lived in Kentucky. Decided to cut
his penis off, started wearing a dress. Everybody had called
him a hero, messes up a block and charge calling
the Kentucky game. Kentucky fans want to kill him. That's
danger and ain't. Deciding to switch your gender certainly not heroic.

(01:30:42):
There's no life for liberty at risk there. ESPN tells
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(01:32:53):
to hate me? Hate me? Eric in Oregon, you're up first.
What's up? Man? I hate you Clay Travis every single day,
but since you've been on in Medford, I have been
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(01:33:16):
the person on Twitter. That's why I hate you, Play Travis.
You hate me because I murder people so well on Twitter. God,
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Clay Travis, with real reasons why they love me. It's crazy,
Johnny in Texas. What's up, Johnny, I'm laughing. I hate

(01:33:37):
you first of all because that you had the conversation
with Whitlock. I've always wanted to have. That was greatness.
But I do hate you because you have Kevin Summler
ranked number three when he should be number ten, and
you have Abillity Kitnedy ranked number thirteen when he should
be one. You know, like I ranked the SEC football coaches,
and when I ranked the SEC football coaches, no one

(01:33:59):
complained that I didn't rank their coach high enough. Everybody
complained that I ranked their coach too high. That's how
angry SEC football fans are. Nick Saban's number one. Every
other person on that list. I kid you not. From
two to fourteen, the only complaints I got was I
had their coach ranked too highly. And there's an example
not happy about Kevin Sumlin. Dylan in South Dakota. What's

(01:34:20):
up to UH family because of jealousy, just extremely pressed
with how well you've done and what to accomplice. But
perdu say nothing all week by except for hell Lebron
and just has are are doing horrible and UH may
not even be the best team in the East. Warning,
if you can put your money where your mouth is
and actually bet UH put put a hard dollars on Atlanta, Washington, UH,

(01:34:45):
Toronto and Boston. UH, all four of them. See if
they get into the Eastern or the NBA Finals as
Eastern Conference representatives, and you make money if by any
one of them didn't have money, if either one of
them made it, Yeah, you know what, not a bad
that's not bad advice. I'll do that today, Dylan. I'll
put money on somebody else. I'll put my money where
my mouth is. I don't think the Calves are gonna

(01:35:07):
win the Eastern Conference right now. Now. They may get
hot in the final eight games of the regular season,
but right now, at this exact moment. I don't think
they're gonna win the Eastern Conference. Scott and San Francisco.
What's up, Scott and what's going on? Clay? I hate
to say it, but I don't hate you, man. I
don't agree with everything you say, but I definitely don't
hate you. What I do hate is they have to
play all these Dan commercials. I hate they have to

(01:35:28):
expose all the ignorance in the country. And I hate
that I can't go home and crack a beer and
watch ESPN Sports. They got the soap operas on. Play
the soap proppers in the day when all the real
men are working. Let the real men come home and
watch sports. Please, Hey, Scott, you're not interested in hearing
in an all female panel discussed Joe Mixon when there's
no news at all about Joe Mixon. That's surprising, thank you,

(01:35:50):
not at all. You know what. I gotta go do
a lot of yard work though, because they got stupid
programming on and what BBC America and what Nature Channel?
So hey, there's a fright side. I appreciate it. Mike
and l A. What's up, Mike? What's up? Figure taking
over sports talk radio? So thank you, but I hate
you for having la var Ball on the show a
little later on. Your getting criticism for that. He's gonna

(01:36:12):
be on at the bottom of the hour. You think
I'm giving him too much attention? Absolutely, I was respecting
the fact that you didn't have him. But hey, man,
you're you're doing the Lord's work over here, so keep
doing what you're doing. Appreciate it all right. A guy
who I know hates me, g Dubbin Cincinnati, what's up?
G dub I hate you because I got just in
voked and vote the Lord work with you and the

(01:36:33):
Clay Private Show. Clay. I hate you because you continue
to have Jason Wetlock going and quite honestly, this morning,
I think he jumped to Shark Clay. Let me get
this right, Jason's complaining that his voice can't get out
when he's been on ESPN twice, Hussington Post, spent forty
minutes on your show. He's been a basically the sports world.
I'm buzzman, need grow please, g dubbed it and he

(01:36:58):
hates me. That's that's a show across the ballot. Jason Whitlock,
who I love, gub hate me and my friends all right,
Danny g and Robert, this is your opportunity. You're in
l A, You're in Sherman Oaks. What have I done
this week that has driven you guys insane? Speaking of
being in l A and representing the West Side here
for your show. The Las Vegas Raiders one of the
biggest stories in the entire sports universe this past week.

(01:37:21):
And Clay, we hate you here because you've spent all
of two minutes talking about the Raiders this past week.
That's not true. I spent a ton of well about gambling.
I talked about the gambling connection. Yeah, I said, I
felt sad for Oakland that they lost their team. But
to me, the story for the nation. Now, you Raider
fans may feel different, but the story for the nation
to me is it's impossible for the NFL to now

(01:37:44):
argue that gambling shouldn't be legal nationwide when they put
a team in Las Vegas. Right, But there's lots of
layers to this onion in Oakland with where are they
gonna play in? Yeah, lots of drama going on. They
should move. I think, honestly, I think they should move
and go ahead and play in the un l V stadium.
I'm always in favor, and I feel bad if people

(01:38:05):
have season tickets and everything else. I'm always in favor
when a team decides it's leaving. I don't think you
can have like a lame duck season or two in
that stadium. I think it's way too awkward. I think
you have to go to a brand new stadium, even
like the Chargers are doing this year. Right, They're going
to go play in that thirty thousand soccer stadium, in
the stubub stadium. I mean I would do that add
percent if I if I owned a franchise, I'd be like,

(01:38:27):
screw it, we're out. We're gonna go play in un
LV stadium every Sunday, even if it's a pale approximation
of an NFL franchise. Uh. In the meantime, we'll wait
for our stadium to get built. Okay, what about any
other hate in the l A. Yeah, you know what, Claire,
I hate you because we did a segment yesterday at
a full hour about the worst ways to die. So
it got me thinking about it. And I have this
really strong phobia of clowns, and I think that because

(01:38:51):
you spoken into existence right after the show happened to
be watching TV and I saw the new IT trailer.
I couldn't fall asleep with day my nap. I was
too I heard that IT trailer is one of the
areas trailers to ever be put out for a movie.
I threw my phone on the on the pillow afterwards
because I was nervous. I didn't watch that one, but
I watched the new Game of Thrones season seven trailer
and it's uh. It got me aroused. I'm not gonna lie.

(01:39:13):
That's how much I see John Snow, I see Danniis,
and I see Queen Searcy. I'm all about it, all right.
This has been I hate chicklay Travis. It's every Friday.
Callers are getting better at it, but it challenges in general.
I've become America's sweetheart. Like people love me. I'm just
to beloved. My mom was right, everybody does love me. Yes,

(01:39:33):
all right, let's go ahead. Do I need to do
an ad? Uh? Do I need to know I did
my ads right? I did the ads already. I read
that long T mobile ad, so I managed to read
that without making any mistakes. I'm pretty good at this. Uh,
let's go ahead and find out what's trending now, and
then it's gonna be LaVar Ball and me head to
head or two ps in a pod. We'll see, But
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(01:40:17):
it hits you stop. Trains can't join Now by the
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place for the last month or so. He's LaVar Ball,
father of a Lonzo Ball and a couple of other
young outstanding basketball players. LaVar Can you imagine? Can you
believe that I get paid to tell people not to
get hit by a train? Hey, train is coming, the

(01:40:42):
trivil B train, all right, So I want to start.
I'm fascinated by you, fascinated by the way you have
played the media like a like a fine violinist out
there um and as a guy who is out there
shilling every day working on his brand. With what we've
done at out Kick, I appreciate the lack of shame
in your game, and so I want to start there.
Who do you look to as kind of a person

(01:41:03):
that inspired you or is someone you would point to
and say that's what I'm trying to do with what
my boys can be? Is there a brand? Is there
a person? Is there someone that you have in mind?
Not really, I just I'll just do things my own way. Uh,
just like having my own a U team, which is
is usually not done like that. People usually follow up,
you know, joining teams. Everybody else going left, I'm going right.

(01:41:27):
And so a lot of times, if there's counterintuitive nature,
you can make a lot of a lot of money
by doing what people don't anticipate being done. I got
three boys too, I've got a nine year old, a
six year old, and a two year old. I'm curious
when did you realize that your sons were talented in basketball?
Was there a moment in time when you realize while
Wonzo is really good and age where you suddenly thought

(01:41:49):
you can get a college scholarship and started to think
bigger when he first came out the wall. So you've
been you've been playing this since the first athlete. I
knew we were gonna have some spectacular boys, Like I said,
boys running my family. We have five boys and two girls.
My dad has ten brothers and two sisters. So I
told my wife, I know we're gonna have boys. Long

(01:42:11):
as we have three of them, will be fine. So
did you partially pick your wife but wife because you
thought you'd be able to produce basketball players with her. Yeah.
Especially one of the things I had a lot of,
look like I said, I had a lot of short girls,
but this was one of the most beautiful, tall women
in my life. So you're thinking to yourself, our boys
are gonna be tall when you're dating her. Yes, jean

(01:42:33):
jeans matter, Yes they do. U jeans matter a great deal.
And so uh as part of that, Wonzo now is
going to go off into the NBA. He's already announced.
You guys have made the circuit. Will you be at
the NBA draft in person yourself? Is that your plan? Yes,
the whole family will be there. The whole family will
be there and if is there a team right now?

(01:42:54):
Obviously the lottery hasn't happened to know exactly where everybody's drafting.
I don't think so you don't know who's gonna have
the number one overall pit. But if you had your
choice with Monzo play for the Lakers, most definitely he's
the home gold kid. And I think, you know what,
I'm so lucky watching line up for him where he
plays for the Lakers. I'm just gonna speaking into existance.

(01:43:15):
Have you have you spoken with Magic Johnson? Do you
know him at all? I haven't spoken with Magic Johnson
or anybody other Lakers, but I just had this feeling
that it's like, out of all these years, now Magic
comes back. Magic is probably the only one I really like.
He's the best point guard ever, and now my son's

(01:43:38):
coming into the league with that man, I think it's
lining up. Do you think that your outspokenness could hurt
your son's draft stock at all? No? Because see, here's
the thing. On the professional level, these guys draft people
on their talent, not what somebody saying on the outside.
Because if that was the case, every agent and every

(01:44:01):
father would be like, my son's the best picking and
people would be like, yep, just because his dad said
he's the best, let's get him. Yeah, I mean Laso.
Laso done a lot of work, a body of work
of playing, and they see what type of player he
is and it has nothing to do with what I'm saying.
So if it has nothing to do with what you're saying,
why I say it because it's me. I'm not gonna

(01:44:25):
change for anybody. I've been like this all my life.
It's just now as cameras and microphones in front of
my face and people think, wow, there's something different. Does
it Does it make you nervous at all? There's been
a lot of guys who have never get nervous about
anything anything. Ever, when's the last time you were nervous? Never?
I don't get nervous, never been nervous. So, uh, it's

(01:44:47):
an interesting question. I don't know why would you get nervous.
I guess if you if you have, if you're doing something,
you just gonna do it. I don't get nervous about
doing anything, So you weren't nervous. Did you see the
videos that they tracked down if you playing basketball that
have gone viral over the internet? Now after you challenge
Michael Jordan's it's okay. Like I said, it's all entertainment.

(01:45:07):
It's just like some of the videos they have on me.
I told him, you don't have the videos of me
talking on people and going around them. He said, nah,
I said, we'll go find them the way you found
this one. You've got two more sons going to u
c l A. How would you divide your time if
your son's in the NBA? How many of those games
will you go to, especially if it maybe doesn't end
up happening at the Lakers versus what you're going to

(01:45:29):
do elsewhere with the boys coming up to go play
at U c l A. Man, my next year, I'm
already getting ready for It's gonna be one of the
craziest traveling things I'm gonna ever do. Because Lazo will
be in the pros Cello will be at U c
l A. And mo of son and be in high school.
On every level, I'm gonna be bouncing around like a
jumping beam. Have you were talking to LaVar Ball, Have

(01:45:52):
you gotten any contact at all with Nike, with under Armour,
with Reebok, with Adidas, any of the shoe companies out
there about what Alonzo's future might be in that realm.
I talked to a lot of them, but like like
I said on the on the Meet and Greek, they're
shot because I'll keep telling them, we're not looking for
an endorsement deal. You want to do chome branding, which

(01:46:13):
I wanna a marketing and distribution deal that changes the game.
So they got to go back to the drawing board
and bring the right people to us. Now you've got
your you've got your brand already. How many shirts have
you sold on your website. I don't know, but it's
doing very good and I mean some of these shirts
have sold. But like I said, the best thing in

(01:46:34):
the world is to have your own brand, whether it's
worth ten dollars or ten million dollars and issue in
the race you don't fetis under armour and big baller brand.
I don't disagree with you in that respect because out
Kick is my own brand. We got a radio show,
we've got websites, we got TV, We've got all different
sorts of stuff that we do now. And it definitely
changed the game for me because it made me not

(01:46:56):
have to be a hundred percent reliant on a big
media company like you would have to be on. That's
what I'm talking about. But a lot of people were
scared to go out on that limb like that they
are because it's easier to not risk anything and know
that you're not going to fail to a lot of people,
right you said, you never get nervous. What I don't
fear anymore as I've gotten older, is I don't fear

(01:47:17):
failure because what's the worst thing that's gonna happen. You're
not gonna succeed, right, you already know the worst thing,
So why not chase? Why not chase success? And most
people don't want to chase success in life. A lot
of people listening to us right now say philosophy that
I have. Man, I don't know where you're from. Boat,
Yeah we are, I mean, And that's why I don't.
I don't begrudge anything that you're doing at all, because ultimately,

(01:47:41):
like my my big thing is, you got to own yourself.
And so if you can't control your own future, then
other people are going to control it. And and and
if you don't have control yourself, you've got control over nothing.
So I respect the fact that you're out there trying
to do everything that you can for your boys. Like
I said, I got three boys on my own, they're younger,
uh and uh and and I think about all the
time what kind of parent I will be as they

(01:48:02):
get older? Um, what do you want? Like Alonso is
eighteen nineteen years old? Right? How much of a transition
do you think? There's a lot of talk. And I'm
a big guy believing that you should be able to
go straight to the n B A if you want
to go straight to the NBA. If if Alonzo could
have gone straight to the NBA at eighteen years old,
like Lebron, like Tracy McGrady, like Kevin Garnett, all the

(01:48:23):
all those guys through those years have done Kobe Bryant,
would you have wanted him to do it? Or did
he benefit in your mind from going to U C.
L A for the amount of time he did. No? Actually,
if if that rule is still in all my boys
would have went straight from high school to the NBA,
because you think at eighteen, if they're ready to go,
that's what they should do. I think if they're ready
to go, that's what they should do. If that's their passion,

(01:48:44):
if that's and they're good at it, why hold them back? Yeah,
and anything like I said, developed that U c l A.
It's just it's just put U c l A back
on the map, That's all it did. Why you c
l A for your boys? Well, you know what, we're
west coast, so we don't like living in the cold,
so uh, you know. And and it's better for his

(01:49:05):
brothers too. On the fact that if if Alonzo's going
to an open gym uh being in l A, you
can always tell your brothers they'd come on down here.
What do you think about? Here's the other thing too.
You always want to be somewhere if things ain't going right,
you still want to be there. If you you in
Kentucky and you you gotta spring ankle or something, you're
not playing. I don't think you just want to be

(01:49:28):
hanging out in Kentucky. I don't disagree at all. Um.
You know, like I've spent a lot of time in
l A and you see l A is not bad. Um.
What do you worry about the most? For Alonzo? You
said you aren't nervous about anything, but suddenly if you
have money, you're not worried about women. You're not worried
about women chasing him. You're not worried about any of
that stuff. What are you telling? No? No, no, no,
because he's grounded, like I said, the parenting that I've

(01:49:50):
given him. People are always like, well, Alonzo means to
live his own life. Alonso's living his own life. You know,
don't be mad at me because me and my son
have a relationship and he's not negative or people like,
did you ever see, you know, disagree with your dad
about what it's interesting? Go ahead, No, No, I was

(01:50:11):
gonna say it's interesting because, like I said, my boys
are so young, it's hard and they don't disagree with
anything yet because you know, they're nine, six and two.
But I'm curious as they get older, um to what
extent you'll have like that separation for you, For instance,
you would love him to go to the Lakers. That
would be fantastic. Magic Johnson, you say, the best point
guard ever. Your son has an ability to pass the
ball that that is I think potentially unparalleled in basketball.

(01:50:34):
Right now, people said, oh, he's one. His dad's crazy
for comparing him to other passers in the n b A.
I watched the way your son moves the ball around.
I don't think there are that many people who can
pass like he can at any level of basketball anywhere
in the world right now, and that includes the NBA,
right I say the same thing. That's what he's always
been doing. Um what they don't understand. Like I said,

(01:50:55):
he could pass, he can shoot, but that's that This
key thing, this key thing isn't winning. And with the
Sweet sixteen game, I don't think you went to Memphis
to watch that game in person. Where did you watch
it and where you at all? Uh? Like apprehensive about
what the response was gonna be to the U c
l A loss based on the fact that you had
been out talking a lot about Lonzo No, no, no,

(01:51:15):
we we had a good thing. Like I said, Uh,
I put that X on a back from day one,
back in November. I said, they're gonna win the championship.
And people have been watching U c l A for
the whole year, real close. That's what I wanted. Now
to have a fifteen and seventeen team before that and
you come up short going to the Sweet sixteen. I

(01:51:36):
think it was a successful year. I don't think there's
anything out at all either. Steve Offord, there was talk
that he was gonna leave. He obviously did not leave.
What's your relationship like with Steve? Oh, it's great. Uh,
you know, I've been talking to Steve from last three
and a half four years, and uh, he loves my boys.
He knows what we are about. I know what he's about,

(01:51:56):
and I trust him with my boys. And I'm just
glad he stayed because, like said, you gotta do what's
best for you and I'm not gonna hold you back.
So if you and your family wanted to go, it
wouldn't be like, well, I'm going to Indiana with him,
or thanks for going, you know. So I'm just glad
because he knows what my boys about. Outstanding stuff. LaVar.
I appreciate the time. Thanks for coming on with us,

(01:52:16):
and good luck in the future. Hey, thanks a lot man.
You guys take care and have a good one. We will.
I'm Clay Travis. That was LaVar Ball. You're listening to
out Kick the Coverage rolling into the weekend edition here
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get pumped, gets sell your blood, your platelets and everything.
Put it on the game cocks this weekend. The cock
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All right, We also in the final segment of the
show for the week, go ahead and reward the caller
of the week. But I ain't a participation trophy kind
of guy. And frankly, we didn't have a great call

(01:54:06):
this week. So I said, we're gonna have a two
time caller defending champ, and it's How from Portland. If
you haven't heard How from Portland. He's the defending champ.
He won last week and this is what he sounded
like as the caller of the week. I wouldn't say
I can aunt my double deer. It's still the week.

(01:54:30):
I have no comment on any of that. How did
you find? Did you find the beginning of a tell
two Cities? Yes? All right, but we're gonna go to
that in a minute. But I want you to follow
me along here. Everything I say, you say after me, okay,
And I want you to say this as vibrantly as
you could. Pretend that you're still in the middle of
your big radio, bigger radio career. Here, You've got the

(01:54:52):
perfect voice. Here we go, all right, If you think
a train will stop. If you think it's rain, it'll stop. No, no, no,
hold on train, not rain, right, yeah, it's a train.
All right? How there we go again. We're gonna try
this again if you and I want you to sell it.

(01:55:12):
I want you to sell it. If you think a
train will stop, if you think a train will stop
if it sees your car on the tracks, if it
sees your car on the track, you're right, You're right,
it will. It will about a mile after it hits you,

(01:55:37):
about a mile after it gets you. Stop stop. Trains can't.
Trains can't. How from Portland's voice actor called into the
show last week and he's the defending champ right now.

(01:55:58):
I hope you guys have had a good Friday. I
hope you guys have had a good week. And if
you haven't, that's on you, because it could be worse.
Like our boy act Bar, you could have gotten eaten
by a python this week. You didn't. You survived. Don't
get hit by any trains this week. We'll be back
with you on Monday and you'll be richer thanks to
the Blood Bank Guarantee. My thanks to LaVar Ball, Jason
Whitlock and Lance Taylor. Go download the podcast. I'm Clay Travis.

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