Finger on the Floor

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from the Divisional round of the NFL Playoffs, and I
can't wait. Two games on Saturday, two games on Sunday.
I imagine that many of you are also fired up
about that. Plus we're getting closer and closer to Monday's
College Football National Championship game. Going to be a really
exciting and fun Saturday, Sunday and Monday for those of

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us who absolutely love football. I am flying down to
New Orleans on Sunday, so I'll be doing the show
from Radio Row with the College Football National Championship on
Monday and Tuesday from New Orleans. So that should be
pretty fun. And uh, the more I think about Joe

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Burrow versus Trevor Lawrence, the more unique that game becomes
in that I can't remember or a big time national
championship game like this where you basically had two number
one picks at quarterback going at it head to head. Now, uh,
in back to back years. So Joe Burrow, barring something crazy,

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is going to be the number one overall pick to
the Cincinnati Bengals in April and a couple of months,
and then in one barring something else crazy, Trevor Lawrence
will be the overall number one pick. And there's again
We'll get into this a lot as we get closer
and closer to that game. But Joe Burrow at fifteen

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and Oh, if L s you were able to win
this game down to New Orleans would become I believe,
the greatest quarterback in a single season in college football history.
Right now, I've got Cam Newton as the greatest single
college football season for any quarterback that I've ever seen.
Cam Newton the year he won the Heisman Trophy, the

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National Championship, Auburn went fourteen and oh might have been
the greatest hundred and eighty thousand dollars ever paid in
the history of athletics could move Auburn. That is the
greatest single season I've ever seen. But if Joe Burrow
were able to win the National Championship, get his L.
S U team to fifteen and oh, beat another top

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ten opponent, because he would have beaten Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Oklahoma,
and Clemson and Alabama and not even counting Texas, who
was top ten earlier in the year but then fell off,
that would be as good or better than any season

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that has ever occurred for any quarterback in college football history.
I believe, flip side. If Trevor Lawrence wins a second
straight national championship. He would come back for his third
year at Clemson, chasing a third straight national championship and
attempting to remain an undefeated starter for three straight years,

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which would probably make him the greatest college football quarterback
of all time, because we've never had anybody go undefeated
for three years and win three straight national championships, So
that in and of itself to follow would be incredible
to see. So. Uh, So that's a big game that's

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coming up on Monday. But in the meantime, we've got
games on Saturday, and we've got games on Sunday as
they ench closer and closer to us. And what I
am curious about as we look at the first Saturday
game Minnesota, uh going up against the forty Niners, Titans
going up against the Ravens, Texans going up against Kansas

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City Chiefs, and Seattle on the road against Green Bay.
Which quarterback has the most at stake of all eight
of these quarterbacks that are are still alive, Which one
has the most to gain and the most to lose
down the stretch run of this season? Uh, if they

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were to win a Super Bowl. And so I'm looking
here thinking, Okay, which ones have the most to gain?
I think you take Russell Wilson and Aaron Rodgers. We
started off the show yesterday talking about how I thought
the matchup between Russell Wilson and Aaron Rodgers on Sunday
Night and Lambeau is actually being under under sort of

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talked about it's being undersold because each of these guys
has won a Super Bowl and they are going head
to head big time stars. We've talked for a long
time about whether they might be able to get, particularly
Aaron Rodgers, a second super Bowl win, but they don't

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have the most at stake because we basically let it
be known that you are a made man if you
are able to go out and get that Super Bowl win.
So I think you can take Aaron Rodgers and Russell
Wilson out of the equation. I think so that that
leaves six guys who have the most at stake potentially,

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then I think you start to factor in age and look,
I do believe that it's a big deal that Lamar
Jackson needs to win a playoff game. If he were
to lose two straight playoff games, then I do think
there would be more doubters that would creep up. But
he's twenty three years old and he's going to be
the m v P and he's gonna be in the

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playoffs multiple years to come. So I think you take
Lamar Jackson out of the equation. And I also think
you do the same thing for Patrick Mahomes and for
Deshaun Watson, because all those guys are so young, they've
uh and we know now Patrick Mahomes and Deshaun Watson
have one playoff games, so I don't think necessarily the
pressure is ratcheted up as highly on them. And then

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you know, I'm really sitting here looking at it. I mean,
Jimmy g is still relatively young as well. Kirk Cousins.
I think the expectations are so low for he and
Tannehill that it's hard for me to figure that out too.
So as I'm sitting here looking who has the most
to gain of any quarterback, it's clearly got to be

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one of the six that hasn't ever won a Super Bowl.
But I feel like Kirk Cousins and Tannehill are playing
with house money now because nobody really anticipated that they
would that they would be advancing. And also nobody really
anticipates that much from them in general. But the more

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I think about it, the more I think this would
be the most impressive for a guy like Kirk Cousins,
because if Kirk Cousins suddenly won a super Bowl, then
everything changes a about his narrative almost overnight. Like look, okay, yes,
if Lamar Jackson goes on and he wins the m

(08:06):
v P and he wins the super Bowl, uh there
you know. Look, I mean he's won a super Bowl,
he becomes a made man. But he's still only twenty three,
so I don't know. I think his season has been
so good otherwise, I don't think he has as much
to gain Deshaun Watson and Patrick Mahomes. I feel like,
in general they are they have a great deal of
commendation that already follows them. I think Kirk Cousins is

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the guy of the final eight that would stand to
gain the most from winning a Super Bowl, And I
believe that partly factors in that Kirk Cousins is probably
the most criticized and reviled quarterback in the NFL right now.
I don't know that there's anybody else who gets ripped more.

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You could maybe say Eli Manning, But I feel like
Eli is probably the most criticized double Super Bowl winner ever,
and I think partly that's a function of him playing
in New York UH and being a Manning, so he's
been in the public eye for twenty some five years now.
But that in and of itself is an interesting question.
Who has the most to gain here? I want to

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bring in the crew. My argument, Danny G is that
of the eight quarterbacks remaining, the guy whose resume changes
the most, the guy whose public perception changes the most
with the Super Bowl is Kirk Cousins. Do you buy that?
I do. I agree with you on Kirk Cousins, especially
because of all that money he was given by the Skins,
the way he was franchise tagged. He couldn't win, He

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couldn't get over the hump all those seasons, and we
kept tearing all he's one of those guys win the game, right,
He's been stealing money. Finally he gets that first playoff
W So you're right, I agree with you on Cousins.
I actually think Lamar Jackson almost has the most to
lose that that that that's a decent argument. The only
reason I didn't buy that. Uh. It is an interesting

(10:02):
argument that that he could because he's because of all
the hype, right, yeah, he still hasn't want to playoff game. Well,
and there's a lot of yesterday we were talking about
how you never have really bought into the Packers yet
this season, and Dubbed hadn't bought in into the Seahawks.
You on the same level have not really bought in
a d on Lamar Jackson will buy into him long range.

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A lot of people right now of the young quarterbacks, uh,
and the young quarterbacks right now would be Jimmy I
mean roughly young, right, I mean, depending on how you
want to define him. Jimmy Garoppolo is getting a little
bit older, Deshaun Watson young, Uh, certainly, Patrick Mahomes young,
and Lamar Jackson is young right well. And our boy
Cowherd he stirred the pot yesterday because he argued that

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the Ravens are gonna be the next big Patriots type
dynasty at all, and a lot of people pushed back.
On our Fox Sports Radio dot com website, there's tons
of comments from listeners saying three years, maybe five years,
he's gonna get hurt. That style, that Lamar Jackson plays,
There's no way this is gonna be some six seven run.

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I think that's crazy. So and because of what happened
against the Chargers and how he got shut down last season,
even though he's the m v P all of a
sudden this season, if he gets shut down again, then
you and other people are gonna say, see same thing
as what happened in the playoffs last season. Yeah, I mean,
I think until you win playoff games, that's what everybody's
gonna say. Everybody's gonna criticize you and say whether or

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not you can win. So I think you could make
an argument pretty strong that the guy with the most
again is Kirk Cousins and the guy with the most
to lose is Lamar Jackson. Uh. Now, the pushback, I
would say is Lamar Jackson still only twenty three, so
it's not as if he will, you know, fail to
be in these situations again. But the pressure does get
ratcheted up a lot when you haven't won a playoff game,

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and I think Deshaun Watson narrowly avoided that. For instance,
because if Deshaun Watson loses at home back to years,
then that little voice out there of you know, sort
of the uh, the proverbial monkey on the back or
whatever that you can't win the big game gets out there.
We heard it with Paid Manning forever, right, I mean

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that that whisper of oh, we can't win the big game.
It took him a long time to win that first
Super Bowl, And so the pressure does get ratcheted up
if you aren't able to win playoff games early on.
And look, winning playoff games is hard. I think we
underrate how hard it is to win a playoff game
because of a guy like Brady or even a guy
like Manning that are constantly there and put themselves in

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position to win a ton of games. Uh, a lot
of guys out there. I mean, we just saw Ryan
Tannehill had never won a playoff game, Kirk Cousins had
never won a playoff game, and Deshaun Watson had never
won a playoff game, just in the first round of
the wild Card last last week. So yeah, that's a

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that's a strong argument. The most to gain and the
most to lose most of game, Kirk Cousins most to lose,
Lamar Jackson and I can buy that, what about you,
dub Yeah, I agree with the kirk Cousins. I think
there's another guy, though, Ryan Tannehill. If he were somehow
to make this run and win a Super Bowl the
most a game just in the sense of a financial yeah,
I think he would make a decent amount of money.

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My thing on Tannehill is I feel like he's answered
a lot of like the expectations were so much lower
for Tannehill than they were for uh, for Kirk Cousins, right,
I mean, Tannehill is making seven or eight million dollars.
He's kind of cast aside by the by the Dolphins.
There's no doubt. By the way, that would be one
of the most incredible stories ever. If Tannehill got hot

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and won two more games and uh and he rolled
back down into Miami for the Super Bowl this year,
where the Dolphins had cut him and kicked him to
the curb, and he was playing in the Dolphins stadium
to try to win a Super Bowl after all the
difficulty the Dolphins have had trying to replace Dan Marino,
and here's their former first round pick in the Super Bowl.

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That would be an incredible story. So that's a good
point too. Yeah, no doubt. And you know, looking at
who would have the most to lose. It's a it's
a hard question to answer because, like you said, so
many of these guys are so young and there you
assume they're gonna be back here in this moment. I
think the guy with the most to lose right now
is probably Aaron Rodgers, because we don't really know how

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many more years he's gonna have left, or how many
years he wants to keep playing. And he has this
Packers team at thirteen and three, they have a home
game against Seattle. If Seattle goes on the road and
beats Green Bay after the year the Packers have had
winning all these close games, and getting this home game
off of the bye, playing a Seattle team that's coming
off a physical game on the road, I think that

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would be a big hit to Aaron Rodgers, even though
I know he's already won a Super Bowl and he's
a made man. But you keep looking ahead and how
many more times is he going to be in the
situation with a thirteen and three team playing home games
at lambeau Field. I think that would be a big
time loss for Aaron Rodgers. It is interesting too, by
the way, there's probably people out there noticing this. This
is how we define quarterbacks. There are you know, fifty

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three men on every one of these rosters, but most
of us see the NFL season through the prism very
often of the quarterback, and we judge the team through
the prism of the quarterback in a way that nobody
sits around and says, oh, you know, like what about
Aaron Jones? Is he going to prove, you know, as
a running back that he can get it done in
the in the postseason. Nobody's sitting around asking that question.

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Nobody's sitting around saying, uh, you know, mark Ingram better
play in this game for the Ravens or else. There's
gonna be lots of questions about how well he does
in the postseason because of what happened with him when
he was with the Saints. Right, everybody gives way too
much credit to the quarterback and wait, way too much
blame too. But this is kind of the prism through
which we see it. Uh what would how would you

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analyze this situation? Eddie? Uh? Well, I will have to
agree with just about everyone I put most to gain
Kirk Cousins, just as far as reputation, a guy who
we've constantly here can't win the big one. If he
were to have a deep run his team in the
Super Bowl, that would obviously go along way for him.
But I agree with doub financially, I think I would
go with Ryan Tannehill and the most lose. I think

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it's Lamar Jackson. If he falls on his face in
the playoffs. I mean, he's still gonna win the m
v P, but for most people it will be for nothing. Yeah,
and it is amazing to think about if Kirk Cousins
was to win the Super Bowl. How I mean, how
much the uh, the talk about Kirk Cousins would just

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flip overnight. I think even if he if he got
to the Super Bowl, I think you'd be hard pressed
to argue, oh, Kirk Cousins can't win the Big Game, right,
because at that point, as the sixth seed in the NFC,
he would have gone on the road and he would
have had to beat, uh the Saints. Then he would
have had to beat the forty Niners. Then he would
have had to go on the road and either be
the Seahawks I mean, sorry, you have the Seahawks in Seattle,

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or he would have had to be Green Bay and
Lambeau in order just to get to the Super Bowl.
Uh so yeah. I mean, but my god, if he
won the Super Bowl with at as his as his
three games to win, then plus whoever he'd have to
beat in the frame of the a f C down
in Miami, it would be it would be wild to
see uh. In terms of UH, in terms of what

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the reaction would be Roberto most to gain, most to lose,
most to gain, Uh, Kirk Cousins for the reasons everybody
you mentioned early and most to lose, Lamar Jackson because
who knows. I'm like U Culid, I'm I'm not. I'm
not believing that that he's gonna be played like this forever.
I think once the great Roman has gone on, I
don't think he's gonna be as effective anymore. But it
seems like Greg Roman will be there at least another year.

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So unless the Browns hire and it doesn't seem like
Greg Roman is going to get a head coaching job,
which is crazy if you just look and overall achievement,
Greg Roman has had one of the all time great
seasons as an offensive coordinator. It's wild to me that
nobody in the NFL thought, Hey, maybe this guy could
do for one of our quarterbacks what he has done,

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because he's been really good, not just with Lamar Jackson.
He was really good with Tyrod Taylor when he was
at Buffalo, and he was extraordinary with Colin Kaepernick when
he was in San Francisco. So, uh, it appears that
that the Ravens are gonna be able to keep Greg Roman.
I don't know anything about the guy. I don't know
what kind of interviewer he is. I I don't know.
I mean, he's kept a relatively low profile. But it

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is surprising to me that given how good of a
season the Ravens have had, which we have put almost
all the credit for their offense with him, that he
wouldn't have gotten a head coaching job. Is is wild
even that he wouldn't get looked at in college. I mean,
I would think there would be some colleges that would say, man,
look at how advanced his system has been for the NFL.

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Maybe he could put something together that makes sense in
college as well. By the way, that Mississippi State coaching job,
they we're gonna talk about this later in the show,
but they interviewed Mike Leach. Can you imagine the state
of Mississippi with Lane Kiffin as the head coach of
Old miss and UH as the head coach of Mississippi
State Mike Leach. I mean, you talk about just a

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pure on entertainment that would be off the charts. I'm
rooting for it just for that reason, if nothing else.
All Right, we come back. We got all four of
these NFL games that are going on Saturday and Sunday.
How do you bet them? We got Harry Gagnon from
the Against All Odds podcast as well as no Frank

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I Sola man, I thought it was Wednesday. I thought
it was Wednesday today. I said it with two days away.
I'm sitting here thinking, wait a minute, and then like
I feel like we just talked to Harry? Did I am?
I having him on two days in orrow? You know what?
Wednesday show did go really well. But you don't need
to live in the past. I know it did go
so smooth. All right, Frank Sola is going to join us.
There's some stupid Did you guys see this stupid story

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about UH? I guess John Beeline used the word thugs. Yeah,
I mean, is this real? I mean I just saw
the headline this morning when I was to say slugs.
But is it that offensive to say you played like
a bunch of thugs like that? It's like, oh my god,
this and it's the number one story on ESPN. It
really wouldn't make sense when he if he said something
like that, I'd be like, what, like, you know, does

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somebody elbow somebody in the mouth and break teeth? Like
just the mix up is confusing. It doesn't make sense.
We'll talk to Frankie Solo about this. Some of the
NBA drama stories, Like there's so many athletes that are
perpetually it seems like they're triggered. I mean, when did
everybody become such a bunch of pussy willows? When we
come back, we'll talk with Frankie Solo about that. Be

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sure to catch live editions about Kick the Coverage with
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Frankie Sola at the Frankie Sola on Twitter. You can
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Listen to him Serious XM as well as here. Frank
Sometimes I see stories that are headlines and I'm like,

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I can't believe that this is actually a sports headline.
And such is the case right now when I woke
up this morning Adrian modenail Ski reporting that John Beeline
used the word thugs and somehow that's incredibly offensive during
a film session. Am I crazy? Or does the vast

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majority of America you think agree with me that this
is not actually a number one sports story in America? Yeah?
I think, Uh, I think things have got a little crazy.
I do think you have to be a little careful
with the things that you say. I think, especially for
a guy like John Belon, look at the position he's
in to begin with. He's an older guy coming from college,
you know. And I think we've already seen stories which

(21:35):
I think have been unfair about, you know, the players,
basically saying, oh, you know, he's doing things in a
college way and he wants us to be more of
a development team. Yeah, sure, like what have you guys?
You know, you guys have been terrible for the last
couple of years, ever since Lebron left. But I think
it's something like that. And it's funny you mentioned that
because I have heard from somebody yesterday that this is
gonna be it for John Dealon, he's gonna be kind
of like a one and done kind of guy and

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go back to Yeah, well perhaps, I mean, I'm he's
gonna have a lot of money coming to him from then,
not that it's gonna be his choice. I think Cleveland's
gonna get rid of him, and then he's still gonna
get paid his money. And I think something like this
will only um accelerate the process. Does make him just think,
why in the world that I ever leave college? It's

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it's you know, it's funny you say that. The other
day Michigan played Michigan State and it was like on
a night where Cleveland got killed by somebody, and I
kept thinking, he must have like saw that game. Not
that it's easy to play Michigan State in East Landing,
but he must have thought to himself, you know, life
is just so much easier back then. But you know
what happens. I'm sure for a lot of these guys,
you reach a certain age and you know, here's an

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opportunity to coach in the NBA's only thirty of those jobs,
and you're thinking yourself, you know, if I'm ever gonna
do it, now's the time to do it. The money
is going to be pretty good. It's you know, it's
a tough higher. It's it's unfortunate because you're in a
tough position as a college coach number one, and I
think as an older guy, I think you're in a
much more difficult position. Brad Stevens walked into a good

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situation because he's a little bit younger and the the
the Boston Celtics are more stable franchise. And at the
time when Brad Stevens came there, they were also a
bad team and they didn't have a player like Kevin Love.
Let's be fair, Kevin Love is one of the guys
causing some issues with that team too. He's like the
way his antics kind of lashing out of people, and
he's been fined lashing out in the bench, yelling at

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the general manager. So like the one veteran player of
the team that you know you would want and hope
could kind of like be the leader of the team.
That hasn't happened with John Biela. Uh, there's a lot
of uncertainty about what's going to happen in the off season.
Let's that's the NBA story that's out there. So I'm
gonna leave it. Let's go back to the NFL. Uh,
what do you think happens with Brady? Do you think

(23:41):
that he comes back for another year or two with
the Patriots or do you think this turns into another
power struggle Belichick maybe ends up winning, because I think
this could turn into Okay, the Patriots are willing to
let Brady come back for a year, but they won't
give him a multi year deal. And I think Bray
he probably thinks to himself, I want at least a

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two year deal going forward, and so that could be
the lynch pen that leads him to consider other options
out there in the NFL. How do you see this
plane out? I I think you nailed it. I think
it's him wanting him maybe for one year, and him
wanting a two year deal. And let's not forget that
this weekend, the San Francisco forty Niners are going to
be playing in a playoff game and the quarterback there
is Jimmy Garoppolo. And if you look at Bill Belichick

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the way that he's done business all throughout this incredible
run that the Patriots have been on, he's kind of
gotten rid of the guy just when he thinks thinks
we are about to turn and this and Brady won
the Super Bowl last year. Be could they have done that?
Maybe with Jimmy Garoppolo. Perhaps, But you can't tell me
that Bill Belichick is not gonna sit there this weekend
and thinking this guy should be our quarterback right now,
and Jimmy Garopolo not be the quarterback of the forty niners.

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We had him in our system where the team that
developed him, and you know, and I'm still convinced that
Bill Belichick didn't want to get rid of him. I
think Baby Brady felt a little threatened. He and Robert
Craft are pretty kired. I think they lived on the
same street. So I think that whole situation, it's just
different the way they're dealing with Brady, who is a
unique case number when he's the quarterback number two. He's

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a legendary player who's been there for all the Super
Bowls and he's been the leader of the team. But
it just goes against everything that Bill Belichick has always done.
He's always gotten rid of the guy one year too
early as opposed to one year too late, whether it
was Richard Seymour. You know, we can go down the
list of guys, and it's always been and it's always
been a top and it's always been sort of an

(25:28):
emotionless move by Belichick, right like, I mean that ultimately
he is, and I think that's hard when you go
to war with these guys to then be able to
just cut bait because you're ultimately just a it's business
for Belichick. You're only as good as the dollar value
next to your name. Do your job is kind of
the mantra that they have in New England. And there's

(25:51):
agree with you. There's no way that Belichick wants to
be paying big money to Tom Brady when he thinks
he's on the back end of his career. I think
Belichick's gotta be ready to turn to age. And I think,
by the way, both of these guys want to prove
that they were the reason why this dynasty came to be.
I think there's a power struggle there who was the
bigger reason for the success? Was it Brady or was

(26:11):
it Belichick. I think both of them want to be
the guy, and that means they want to win a
super Bowl without the other. I think there's an element
of that. That's why Belichick's now saying hey, I'll coach
into my seventies. And also why I think Brady might
possibly be interested in exploring some of the other teams
out there, because if he could win another Super Bowl

(26:31):
without the Patriots, then he has an argument of I'm
the reason why we want at such a high level. Yeah,
and I think you know, if you look at the
way things went down the last couple of weeks with them,
you know, they you know, Brady did drive them down
the field and put them ahead against Miami. So you know,
Bill Belichick's bread and butter in the Page's bread and
butter this year has been their defense. So if the

(26:51):
defense can get one stop, uh, you know, they're getting
a bye week and then they're getting a home playoff game,
So they gotta win one home playoff game, and then
they're in the FFC Championship game. The defense failed. Then
last week, you know, the Edleman dropped that was big.
I mean, Brady clearly wasn't himself, and I just thought
the whole thing was weird, like when they when they
didn't go for it on fourth down, the puncher punts

(27:12):
it into the end zone and then once again it's
up to the defense to make a stop. They eventually
did stop Tennessee, but then they end up getting the
ball back with fifteen seconds. So I don't think Brady
was as bad as everyone says. I think he's hurt.
I don't think. I think when you're Mr. TV twelve
and this is kind of how you market yourself, I
didn't think that he wanted to come out and tell
people that his elbows hurting him, because that's kind of

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like maybe bad for business, his TV twelve, that the
you know, the TV twelve method and all that other nonsense.
I also think, let's face it, two the the season
began and everyone thought, yeah, mission Gronkowski will be big,
but then they ended Antonio Brown and people like, maybe
they'll go and defeat it. They'll got great this offense
is they didn't. They weren't great at the skill positions either,
an Edelman, because everyone says it's a slot receiver that

(27:54):
they were trying to turn in, you know, to the
next Jerry Rice, and it wasn't gonna work out that way.
So I just think I think injury east for Brady.
I don't think his elbow is right, and I just think,
you know, basically, talent is what eventually, you know, undoing.
We just add to open the show looking at the
eight quarterbacks that are left. Who has the most to
gain and who has the most to lose? Most again,

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we said Kirk Cousins, because if he suddenly won a
Super Bowl UH and beat in the process the Saints,
the forty Niners, and either the Seahawks or the Packers
to get to the Super Bowl, plus whoever he'd have
to beat in the a f C, it would change
every belief about Kirk Cousins. We said the most to
lose Lamar Jackson, because he still hasn't won a playoff game.

(28:39):
Last year's playoffs didn't go very well. Granted he's gonna
be the m v P had a great regular season,
but everybody who doubts whether or not his range and
style of football is sustainable would have a lot of
ammunition if he were to lose again in the first
round of the playoffs. You buy into those or do
you see it as a different, different analysis? Well, I

(29:02):
also think you know, I put Aaron Rodgers up there
just because you think he's running out of chances here
to get back to a Super Bowl, and you know
they're in a position now where one home playoff winner
in the NFC title game, they could conceivably be the
team that hosts the NFC title game. But I do
agree with Lamara Jackson because you know, he was not
good last year losing to the Charges. I thought at
the time that they should have taken them out in

(29:24):
the second half to give themselves a chance. I give
John Harvark credit because I think he thinks, you know what,
this guy is gonna be my quarterback. So I'm not
gonna mess mess with him right now. Into Harbor's credit
and Lamar Jackson's credit. You know, they bounced back pretty
well from what was an ugly You know that the
numbers that he had and the score looked good. But
Lamara Jackson was terrible last year in that first playoff game.

(29:44):
He couldn't do anything. So I do think that he
has a lot to lose. Plus, you know, they have
the one team no offense, he's Tennessee guy here. They
have the team that everything that they you know, they
should win the game. So I think there's gonna be
a lot of pressure on him. Kirk Cousins finally got
his first one out of the way. We'll see if
Jimmy Garoppolo could do that. But the big one will
be Lamar Jackson. The guy's gone from never winning a
playoff game to now being the favorite. So can he

(30:05):
win three playoff games and lift the trophy? But and
he's gonna get two of those games at home. But
we'll see how he does because the playoffs, it's always
it's always a different animal in the playoffs, and you
know you and if you fall behind and now you're
kind of relying more on his arm than you are
in his legs, we'll see how that works out. But
who knows, maybe it doesn't even trail at all during
the playoffs. We're talking to Frankie Sola at the Frankie

(30:27):
Sola on Twitter. You can find him there. You can
watch him on Around the Horn and listen to him
on Serious X and m read him at the Athletic.
What are you hearing about, Eli? Uh, there's a lot
of talk about the off season free agents. We talked
about Brady and what he's going to decide to do.
Cam Newton obviously, you got Jamis Winston, Marcus Mariotta, Philip Rivers, uh,
Teddy Bridgewater. I mean they're gonna be a lot of

(30:48):
different moving parts for quarterbacks. What are you hearing about Eli?
Is he officially going to retire? Is he going to
test the market to see if anybody's interested in him?
What happens? I'm sure the Giants that what they want,
and they wanted to be a nice, like little clean,
you know, break like that where he would retire. It
sounds like he still wants to play a little bit,

(31:08):
which you know, I find surprised. You know, the one
thing about Brady, I still think that Brady could play
Drew Brees. I think could play Philip Rivers. I don't
understand why he throws the ball like that. It's like
paint for them. I'm not so sure about him. I
just don't know if he Eli hasn't like can he
might be a starting quarterback on the team. I'm not
so sure. Think to me, he's been kind of declining

(31:28):
for a bunch of years. Now. You know, he had
his one moment, he got to play one one last
time in that life, and he won the game. I
just and the word was too, like, he's not that
crazy about being a backup quarterback. I think if he
was open to being a backup, he'll be in the league.
But it sounds like I understand it that he wants
to start, But I don't know. I I just don't
see it unless unless there are things that are happening

(31:49):
over the summer where you know, guys are getting hurt
and things like that. But I think what the Giants want,
he's for Eli Manning to to come back and be
the backup to Daniel Jones or just announced that he's retiring.
You have like a nice little clean break and let
him go out as a two time Super Bowl champion.
Last question for you. I know it's the new year.
I don't think we had you on last week, but

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you've been covering New York area sports and beyond for
a long time. But with the two thousand tends the
worst decade of New York sports of your life in
terms of being relevant on a big stage for football
and for basketball and for big sports in general. I
think someone said that, I mean, think about it. We've
got two teams in New York. I'm pretty sure someone

(32:33):
said there were two playoff games played at MetLife and
one of them was the Super Bowl between the Broncos
and the I mean the Broncos and the Seahawks. Yeah,
I think about that, and then you know, and I
think the big one would be, you know, it was
the first decade that the Yankees didn't you know, make
it to a World Series or Winter World Series. So
that's a that's is kind of the measurement because the

(32:53):
Yankees are always like hell in a in a different
category just because all the winning that they've done, you know,
the Knicks, for the Knicks in this decade actually probably
was the worst decade ever for the Knicks, even though
they did win a playoff series. But they're right now
on a stretch of five straight seasons of at least
fifty losses. Twice, I think they lost sixty games. I
think that would be pretty fair. And the pathetic thing

(33:15):
about it is I've said, to see before, we have
two of everything, and we have technically three hockey teams.
I guess the Rangers made the Stanley Cuppy, the Mets
did make a World Series, and the Giants one of
the Super Bowls came in this decade right against the Patriots.
That had to be right, right, Yeah, Yeah, I think
that's right. So, but I think it's kind of judged
by Baseball, especially in the Yankees having kind of the

(33:39):
decade that even though they were good, but the Yankees
are kind of like you know, the you know, like
Tom Brady or Lebron James are basically judged on whether
or not they made it to a final they won
a championship, not if they made you know, game seven
of them, you know of the American LEA Championship Series.
Outstanding stuff as always these Frankie Solo at the Frankie
Solo on Twitter, you can watch him on ESPN around

(33:59):
the Horn, read him at the Athletic and listen to
him in serious XM. Thanks for manam. Fox Sports Radio
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and within the I Heart Radio app search f s
R to listen live. We got a couple of interesting
stories that came out yesterday. First of all, Jake from

(34:21):
who had an incredible freshman and sophomore year at the
University of Georgia, announces that he is going pro and
the expectation is, while some of you may not believe
it because of how this junior year went for him,
that he could be a late first round pick. And
that's not really a surprise at all if you listen
to this show regularly. I thought that Jake from would

(34:43):
have a Joe Burrow like final season here and would
be outstanding. I thought Georgia was awful on the offensive
side of the ball this year. They just had no flow,
They had no consistency, even with an incredibly talented unning
back DeAndre Payne, who I think will likely end up

(35:03):
being a first or second round pick when all the
numbers come out, And even with Jake From who was
absolutely incredible in his freshman and sophomore years. I mean,
he beat out Jacob Eeson, who is going to end
up being a uh maybe a second round ish pick,

(35:24):
at Watt from Washington who transferred away. He beat out
Justin Fields, who was incredible for Ohio State this year,
and in the process, it's kind of wild that that
now he ended up having what was a pretty mediocre
year and the whole offense was awful, And so I
think that he actually is going to potentially have a

(35:49):
better NFL career than he did a college career. And
I think I said DeAndre Payne, I meant DeAndre Swift obviously,
who has been uh a big time playmaker at running
back for Georgia. It was just an ugly year for Georgia.
So anyway, Jake From has announced that he is entering
into UH the NFL Draft, and so I think you

(36:10):
could maybe argue somewhat comfortably that there are going to
be what do you think four ish quarterbacks that go
overall in the first round. We know Joe Burrow will
go number one overall, UH, it seems very likely to
the Cincinnati Bengals in the second spot. I think two
was gonna end up going number five overall, UH, to

(36:32):
the Miami Dolphins. That would be my expectation. Then somebody's
gonna jump in there, maybe the Chargers and take Justin Herbert,
and then I believe there's a good chance that late
in the first round Jake From will be drafted Jacob
Eason potentially if there are enough quarterbacks that people feel
the need to to draft down the stretch. So that's

(36:53):
kind of a big news. I would say that Jake
From is going pro Also think it opens up the
SEC East in a big way for Florida and Dan
Mullen to be favored next year. Because Georgia is losing
a lot. We got a crazy story I want to
hit that involves a severed finger, a five star, and
a lawsuit. Trust me, you want to hear this story

(37:14):
if you haven't heard it yet. To start off hour two,
I was going to dive into it and talk about it.
Uh So, I think that really kind of opens up
the SEC East quite a bit with Kyle Trask and
Dan Mullen now being favored potentially to win the SEC
East and what would be year three for Dan Mullin.
And you also have to wonder with all of the
Georgia players transferring, and I'll get to that in a moment.

(37:36):
To start off hour too, this is out kicked the
coverage with Clay Travis. Appreciate all of you hanging out
with us as we inch closer to the Divisional round
of the NFL Playoffs. Can't wait to see what's gonna
happen with both games on Saturday and on Sunday. If
you're just waking up with us, encourage you to go

(37:58):
download the podcast. We had a big debate about who
had the most to win and the most to lose
among the eight quarterbacks still alive. Most to win, We
agreed Kirk Cousins the most to lose, Lamar Jackson. UH.
As we come down the stretch run here of the
NFL season. Sadly only seven games remain in the NFL year,

(38:20):
four UH Saturday and Sunday combined to the next weekend
and then the Super Bowl, which will be taking place
down in Miami. By the way, we will be doing
this show live in Miami for a week. I don't know,
Danny G. You may know more details about exactly how
that's set up. Do we know if the if the
venue is public? Uh? In any way, this is always
a question we ask whether you can walk through. When

(38:42):
we were on early in the morning six to nine
am Eastern. Sometimes they open it up if you're gonna
be in the Miami area or if you're down in
South Florida. There are a lot of really cool free
events usually that surround the Super Bowl. They do a
good job, the NFL does of putting on events around there.
And one of the things you can do that I
think is pretty cool and I would have wanted to
do if I were a kid, or certainly if I

(39:02):
were a teenager and I was there with my parents,
is walk through Radio Row and just see kind of
the setup where everybody is broadcasting, and there's lots of
athletes and UH and famous people walking around, uh doing
the rounds on radio row. UH. That's usually open a
part of the day. But whether it's gonna be open
the three hours that we're there or not, I'm not sure.
But we will be there live all the entire week. Also,

(39:26):
i'll lock it in, which is gonna be really fun.
Fox is building, my understanding, is a huge television set
on South Beach, which I believe will be visible and
accessible to the public. In other words, like we're literally
on the sand in South Beach because Fox has this
year's Super Bowl, and UH, we will have lock it
in every day for an hour our television show, which

(39:50):
is at four thirty Eastern, three thirty Central to thirty
Mountain one thirty Pacific, UH, and we'll have a live audience,
I think, and we'll be right there on the beach.
So that's gonna be pretty wild. It's gonna be a
lot of fun. And I'm I'm told that the set
that they have built uh for the Super Bowl is
gonna be incredible. It's really kind of wild how they
build this entire uh, this entire venue from scratch and

(40:14):
then they'll take it down right afterwards, but it looks like, uh,
a legitimate big time venue they did it. Uh, let's
see that the last couple of I've been to two
Super Bowls that Fox has had. Uh. The first one
was in New York City and they had an awesome
Time Square venue where they had when they did the
New York City Super Bowl, and then they did one

(40:36):
in Houston. And so this will be the third one
that I've been a part of, and those are always
even more of zoos. But this will be the first
time that I've been uh with Fox where we've been
on television so every day, So this will be this
will be fun with lock it In, with the gambling
show and everything else, so that uh that is all
still on the horizon. Will be finishing the NFL season

(40:57):
with a real bang, uh for for OutKick but with
radio and TV. But there are a couple of crazy
stories out there that I I saw and I thought
to myself, oh my god, this would be incredible. Uh.
One is Mississippi State is considering who they're gonna hire
as their next head football coach. Now, the two names
that I'm hearing the most are Steve Sarkisian, who is

(41:20):
the offensive coordinator for Alabama, formerly the USC and Washington
head coach, who had to lose his job at USC
over alcohol related issues, seems to have managed to uh
TO to to cleanse himself. He was also then the
offensive coordinator for the Atlanta Falcons that maybe he could
get back into coaching at Mississippi State. The other one

(41:43):
is current Washington State head coach Mike Leach, who reports
are interviewed for this Mississippi State job. So can you
imagine how much fun purely from a football and off
the field related uh perspective as well? Having both Lane
Kiffin as the head coach of Old miss and Mike

(42:05):
Leach as the head coach of Mississippi State could be
both in the state of Mississippi, both in the SEC.
That would be must see television every single day with
what would be going on between the two of them.
And honestly, I think Mississippi State felt a lot of
pressure to move on from Joe moorehead because Lane Kiffin

(42:25):
was soaking up so much of the oxygen in the
state of Mississippi and getting so much attention that if
they decide to go with UHO and I think they
may well do it if they decide to make the
decision to hire uh, Mike Leach. I think it's a
response in many ways to all of the attention that's

(42:46):
come to bear for Lane Kiffin. Uh and my god,
that would be incredibly entertaining. Starkville would also somehow fit
with Mike Leach, who has been prior to that at
Texas Tech, which is kind of off the radar, at
Washington State, which is certainly off the radar, in Mississippi State,
Stark Vegas, Starkville kind of in the middle of nowhere,

(43:08):
but it would be the most fertile recruiting region that
Mike Leach had ever been in. And I've always been
curious how would Mike Leach be able to do if
he ever got a job that was actually really good.
We had him on the Winds and lost his podcast,
and what he made a distinction was he said, I've
only been at schools where you recruit. I've never been

(43:30):
at a school where you get to give out invitations.
And that was a good way of putting it. He said,
there's two different times types of schools. There's the schools
that recruit, Hey, please come here. We think you'll be
a good fit. And there's the schools that send out invitations,
and he said, I've never really been at a school
that sends out invitations. I think he was at Oklahoma
for one year as offensive coordinator, if I'm not mistaken.

(43:51):
But by and large, he's mostly been at the at
the schools with chips on their shoulder, the ones that
are a little bit outside of the main stream. So
that would be an incredible story if he were to
come to Mississippi and join Lane Kiffin in that state.
Another crazy story. And I want to bring in the crew.
I don't even know if you guys saw this story

(44:12):
because it just came out last night and I couldn't.
I'm just gonna read you a paragraph from Mark schlay
bass story. UH. Mark slab as a reporter at ESPN
dot com. But there is a so Georgia. We said
in the end of last hour, Jake from is going
to go uh going pro and uh. And Georgia has

(44:33):
had a lot of players that have basically decided they're
gonna leave early or they're in the transfer portal. Kirby
Smart has been recruiting incredibly well, but it seems clear
that there is a lot of drama associated with the
Georgia football program right now. And sometimes that comes when
you recruit a lot of really high level talent. That

(44:54):
talent expects to be coddled when it gets to campus
and if things don't go perfectly, they might just I believe.
And for instance, you can use as a quarterback uh
situation right there at Georgia and example, they they have
signed Jacob Eeson, Jake From and Justin Fields, all big
time quarterback talents in three different years, right boom boom boom.

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And so you had Jacob Eeson lose his job to
Jake From and so he transfers to Washington. He's now
in the draft. Jake From is in the draft, and
he had Justin Fields unhappy about the amount of playing
time he was getting in the fact that he couldn't
win the job from Jake From, he wasn't willing to wait,
and so even though he's a Georgia native, he decides

(45:40):
to transfer to Ohio State. So all three of those
guys are now gone from Georgia and Georgia kind of
is scrambling to figure out who their next quarterback is
gonna be. They may have to go get somebody out
of the transfer portal, but one of Georgia's top recruits,
and they've got a lot of top recruits, but they
had a five star left tackle by the name of

(46:01):
cade May's. Now cade May's has a dad who played
at the University of Tennessee on the offensive line, and
he also has a younger brother who just committed to
the University of Tennessee as well. So cad May's has
officially left Georgia. He was there starting left tackle in

(46:22):
the Sugar Bowl. He has officially left Georgia, and his
dad is now suing the University of Georgia. This is
a of a real story, alright, And I'm gonna read
this to you guys. And I don't even know if
anybody else on the show has heard anything about this.
Danny g if you know anything about cade May's or Georgia,

(46:43):
I saw this alright, alright, So here is I'm reading
directly from an ESPN dot com story. According to Athens
Clark County State Court records, Mayses parents sued the University
of Georgia system, Board of Regents, the Georgia Athletic Association,
and others after Kevin mayses, are I get ready? Right?

(47:08):
Pinky finger was amputated because an accident involving a folding
chair at the Bulldogs team gala in December of the
sun was then a senior on a recruiting visit to Georgia.
According to the complaint for damages filed on December five, nineteen,

(47:30):
are you ready? Are you ready for this? Plain? If
Kevin mays that's the dad right? Pinky finger was partially
amputated as the subject folding chair. Oh this is making
me cringe just reading it. Wedged against a column, his
severed finger shot across the floor. Georgia offensive line coach

(47:54):
Sam Pittman, who is now the head coach at Arkansas,
picked up his factite heard finger from the floor and
it was put on ice. You might be thinking to yourself,
Oh my god, can SEC football get any stranger? Yes,
this lawsuit is being used as evidence for why Cade Maze,

(48:16):
this five star should be eligible to play this coming
fall at Tennessee because his dad is suing the school
over his finger getting amputated. I mean, and I want
to bring it so you saw liked you saw this?
Dou Did you know this story? Eddie Garcia did you

(48:36):
know this story, ROBERTA. Had you guys heard this? I
knew this story because one of the two other people
I live with, he is a Georgia alum, and he
was not too happy. They're furious, they are absolutely furious.
He was, you know, saying some things that are not
appropriate for terrestrial radio right now. But he was hot
and bothered about it. I mean, he was up in arms.

(48:57):
And like Eddie, when you hear this story as a
Californian that a severed finger is being used as evidence
of why a player should be I mean, I I
by the way, I just cringe thinking about your finger
getting caught and getting clipped, getting amputated, and then the
guy the the the offensive line coach picks it up
on the ground. I mean, is this is this as

(49:19):
crazy of a story to you as it is to me? Yeah,
I rubbed some dirt on it, and yeah I get
back in there. But so so the wild thing is here,
the expectation is that the sun is gonna be eligible
to play, and this rubs people the wrong way at Georgia,
not just because this is a crazy story, but because
there's still a lot of of anger over the way,

(49:42):
justin Fields left at Georgia and was immediately eligible to
play at Ohio State. And I'm surprised this didn't get
more attention. You guys remember the background for how how
usually so if you're not a hardcore UH college football
or college basketball fan, the general rule is if you transfer,
you have to sit out a year before you can

(50:04):
play for the new school that you transfer to, but
there are certain limited exceptions. The most common exception is
if you graduate from from your original school early, then
you can transfer anywhere and be eligible to play. And
this happens a lot with quarterbacks. This is, for instance,

(50:24):
how Jalen Hurts was able to play without having to
sit out going from from Alabama to UH to Oklahoma.
This is how Joe Burrow was able to play going
from Ohio State to l s U. If you graduate,
that's a pretty understood exemption that you're able to then
come in and play immediately at your new school to graduate,

(50:45):
so called graduate transfer exemption. That's well established. That isn't
that controversial. I think it's a rule that makes a
lot of sense. The general rule, however, if you are
an underclassman, is that you have to sit out for
a year, but if you can show extenuating circumstances uh
i e. Conflict or or major issues. Sometimes it can

(51:06):
be as simple as and it's not simple, it's unfortunate.
But if you have, for instance, an ill parent, if
you have gone away from school a long way away
and then one of your parents becomes very sick, you
can use that as a hardship in order to be
closer back to home. You can be able to transfer,
and a lot of times that's allowed and not fought right.

(51:29):
But in this scenario, what the hardship would be is
that there's a lawsuit being filed between the dad and
the university, and as a result, the kid doesn't feel
comfortable because his dad is suing the university for a
lot of money, and so he should be eligible to play.
But the one and they never really explained the n

(51:50):
C double A didn't what the full uh reason for
the waiver was. But justin fields left, Georgia did not
have to sit out at all, and I'm immediately started
playing for Ohio State and the at least the public
story for why he got a hardship waiver was somebody
in the crowd who was a baseball player at Georgia

(52:13):
made a racial slur, and so he then didn't have
to sit out for a year. And a lot of
people at Georgia are fired up about that, not because
they're trying to defend the guy, uh for for what
he said, but because Justin Fields, as sister is my understanding,
is still playing softball at Georgia. So can you really

(52:33):
argue that the standard for a hardship waiver should be
one person in a crowd of a hundred thousand dollars
a hundred thousand said a racial slur, and so you
get to use that as an excuse to then be
eligible to play without having to sit out at all
at Ohio State. A lot of people at Georgia were
mad about that because they felt like, oh, that's just

(52:56):
Justin Fields playing the game, trying to use that to
his advance edge so that he doesn't have to sit
out for a year and he gets to play immediately
for Ohio State. And now they're similarly angry about this
lawsuit that has been filed over the amputated finger that
theoretically could lead to this five star offensive lineman not

(53:16):
only transferring, but transferring in conference, and not only transferring
in conference, but transferring in division and be ineligible to
play all because his dad's finger got chopped off and
he's now suing George over it at a recruiting dinner,
So that means there was food on the table. I
just I I find the idea of getting a finger

(53:39):
amputated to be really difficult to handle. To begin with,
I'm sure there isn't a lawsuit, So what do you think? Like?
I mean, so the so the argument is that this
lawsuit is convenient. However, I will say this, I wouldn't
get my finger chopped off in a from my kid

(54:00):
to be able to not have to sit out for
a year at school. What kind of father are you?
Yeah that I'm drawing. I don't know where I would
draw the line, but I'm drawing the line at fingers
getting chopped off. So welcome to SEC football, where you
can't even make up some of these stories that you
would have a five star. This guy is expected to
be a first round draft pick. I mean, that's how

(54:21):
talented he is on the offensive line. Where exactly on
the offensive line he ends up playing in the NFL
that's still to be determined. He might be a tackle,
he might be a guard, but he's a big time talent,
five star recruit, was starting for Georgia at left tackle
in the Sugar Bowl less than a month ago and
now is enrolled at the University of Tennessee and taking

(54:43):
classes today as we speak, because classes have now started
at the University of Tennessee, and his expectation is that
he'll be able to play and start come September. Because
his dad got his finger amputated and is now suing
the University of Georgia. So what does his dad's finger
have to do with his hardship? I think the argument is,

(55:03):
uh that when you are in a lawsuit suing, when
your family is suing the university, that you are worried
about your treatment, and so that is considered to be
one of the criteria for potentially a hardship to be granted. Uh.
That uh, And I'm not an expert on hardship waivers

(55:25):
when it comes to to n C double A transfer status,
but the attorney for cade Maze's dad has said they've
already filed I think a hardship waiver with the n
C double A has said, effectively, this clearly fits the
criteria for what would have to happen in order for

(55:45):
somebody to be eligible. I mean I I uh, you
know they they have ah, they have a lawyer, UH
and attorney UH that this is this is the attorney talking,
UH said, I'm very confident Cade won't have to sit
out a year. Uh. He's representing cade May's Uh. He
says that, UH. Let's see what does he say? UM anyway,

(56:08):
basically that that he believes that that that this is
going to uh to allow Cade May's among and there
may be other factors, right, I mean, I don't claim
to understand everything associated with the hardship, and I do
know that Justin Fields is UH to team legal team
that got him eligible to play at Ohio State, they
would say, well, it wasn't just about that racial slur.

(56:29):
There were other hardships involved. I have no idea what
those were, again because to my understanding, those hardship applications
are not public for everyone. But it is I think
indicative of the fact that systems can be gamed, UH
sometimes in these scenarios. All right, when we come back,
we are scheduled to be joined by Chris Mannox. Uh

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we'll break down the latest NBA controversy also There's been
a lot of debate, and I do think this is
an interesting question. Is Luca donc chick uh the best
twenty year old basketball player since Lebron maybe since maybe
Magic Johnson? Is he the best? Ever? How good is
Luca and how important is that to the NBA? Plus

(57:11):
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you can read him there. So let's start here. Uh,
Luca lost a tough game last night to yokich Um,
But there's been a lot of debate of late. You

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are an expert in this realm. Where does Luca rank
among the best twenty year olds that we have seen
in the last twenty five or thirty years of NBA action?
There seems to be kind of a consensus that he's
up there with Lebron, James and Magic Johnson as maybe
one of the best three we've seen in the last
thirty or forty years. Fair or foul to make that comparison, Well,

(57:56):
I think that's very fair. Um, you know, I'd have
to go back and and look at how good Magic
was at twenty years old in the NBA. But I
remember Lebron at twenty and he was great. Uh. So
I think Lebron is really his his only peer. I mean,
if you go back and look at some of the
high school guys that came in in the mid nineteen nineties,

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whether it was Kobe or Kevin Garnett, there was a
reasonably steep learning curve for those guys. And Kobe, look
at his numbers. Then he wasn't great early on. He
wasn't anywhere near what Luke is early on. So, um,
the the speed with which Luca don Jack has has
risen to this level is remarkable, and and look at

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a lot of it is attributable to the fact that
he was playing pro ball at fourteen, you know, and
he was, you know, playing he was the MVP of
the EuroLeague at eighteen. So uh. You know, when you
get to play pro early on and go up against
men early on, it makes us so much easier to adjust.
So how what is this ceiling? I mean, so this
is I think a big deal for the n B

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A uh. And again, I do think it's not ideal
in that it would be better like we I think
we talked the last time we talked. I said, man,
can you imagine how much different Janice would be received
if instead of being Greek he had been born in America?
And I feel the same thing if instead of being
named Luca, if if if he was named Luke right
and he was from you know, somewhere in the middle
part of the country like Larry Bird was, that that

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would be a big, bigger and better connection. Because still,
even in this era where everything is globalized, I think
American sports fans react better to American sports heroes. So
but having said that, how big is he potentially for
the NBA in general? Um, given how talented he is

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at such a young age. I think, Look, I really
think that Luca has a chance to be the face
of the NBA over the next five or ten years,
whatever long it takes for Lebron to be done. I mean,
you know, it seems a little bit different. I mean,
we did have that conversation about Janie and you know,
his you know, not inability to truly connect with NBA fans,

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But it's not as strong as maybe it should be.
I think Luke is a little bit different though maybe
the position he plays, in the style with which he plays,
But he's flashy. He's, you know, kind of a six
ft seven point guard in the same way the Magic
Johnson was. I think because he's just more of a
perimeter ball handling type of guy, he might be a
little bit easier to connect to for NBA fans. So,

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I mean, there's a handful of guys that you could
see being the heir apparent to Lebron. But you know,
because Luca is so good at this age and because
he's able to do what he could do right now,
I mean, I think he's he's the kind of the
top of the list of the next guy, all right,
So if you're comparing him to Lebron, and that's obviously
an insanely favorable comparison to anybody right at the age

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of twenty. Lebron has continued to get better and better
as his age. And I know, now he's thirty five
years old or whatever the heck he is, and he's
still incredible, and he's had that sort of long plateau
of excellence. A guy down in uh in Dallas who
did have a long plateau of excellence was Dirk Novitski
as well. But one of the questions about Luca I
would say is how much better can he get? You

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mentioned that he started playing with professionals when he's fourteen
fifteen years old. Do you worry at all that he
doesn't have the same you know, kind of climbing and
mountain that he can climb like Lebron? In other words,
he might already be closer to his plateau than certainly
Lebron was at the age of twenty. Well maybe, but
I mean i'd have to look at his numbers right now.

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But a couple of weeks ago, he was, you know,
within a couple of stats of averaging a triple double.
So I don't I mean, that's still a pretty high plateau. Yeah. Yeah,
if this is this plateau, I mean like all right,
I mean great, he's he's a consensus All Star at
top five m v P. I think there are a
couple of ways that I think he's going to get better. One,

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you can't really teach athleticism, but I think he gonna
as he gets more and you know, just as the
NBA game, I think he's going to be a little
bit better in that regard like he was shinny last year, right,
like he wasn't a critical condition. Well this was this
was a knock on him coming into the NBA that like,
you know, he didn't have the body for uh for

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for playing NBA basketball, and you know, you're two. He's
got a significantly better body. And as we've seen with
every NBA player that plays for a long time, you
have three, four or five, they get big. I mean, God,
look at Janice if year one, year two, he was
a string being. Now he's he's a tank out there
on the floor. I don't think that Luca is gonna
be the exact same way, but um, you know, I
think he's just gonna get better physically. I say, I

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was after this conversation, and I'm in Orlando this week
working on a story with Marquel Folts, And you know,
you look at at at the teams have passed on Luca.
It is inexplicable, Clay, that that Sacramento passed on Luca Dodging.
You have one of the great you know, and you
know all side international players as GM and Vlady de
Buck his assistant GM is pages the Akapec. They've got

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a European guys, they're there, top scout. How do you
pass on this guy? Like, how in the world do
you miss on Luca? Don Che can take Marvin Bagley.
I don't Batley's fine, but like how how that front
office missed on Luca is still is going to go
down as one of the most incredible passes I think
in recent NBA history. Well, and this is a big

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part of Lucas story, right, is that Mark Cuban passed
on Janice because he was like, I don't really buy
into it, and he was like his guys like beat
the table this time and said, don't blow it again,
Like we think Luca can be another nice And I
think I'm correct. Those two guys are the leading vote
getters in the in the NBA All Star right now,
if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, yeah, But like even the

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Cuban stuff, like you know that was back in at
that point, Cuban one of the cap space to sign
free agents that you could see the argument, I mean,
and it looks a lot of people passed on Janice
back then. He was nowhere near the like the obvious
choice that Luca was. I mean, just there's when you
come from when you play over in Europe, and you

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know you should know if you're Vlad, Like how good
the euro League is? Like the guy was the m
v P of the euro League? How do you pass
on him? Like I even get like DeAndre Aton a
little bit that you take him number one overall, Like
you can see the obvious potential there, but there's no
like it just it just blows my mind that that
Marvin Bagley was the choice over Donn Sacramento. We're talking

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to Chris Mannox at s I Chris Mannox, all right,
this is I I didn't see this story. I woke
up and it's a it's a number one story right now.
John Beeline uh saying that he used the word dugs
to describe his players during a film session or something.
Is this a twelve hour story? Is this a twenty
four hour story? I think a lot of people are
kind of rolling their eyes over this being a story

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at all. But how significant is it in the NBA universe.
I think it's it's significant. I think it will blow over.
But in the gray or context, it's just kind of
another log on the fire being built under John b
Line right now. I just look, I don't think he's
cut out to be an NBA coach. I mean some

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he had never left in Michigan right now, like if
you get if you get now, you can go back.
I mean like when you are like he's sixty six
years old, and in some ways, you know, this is
like fantasy camp for him. He got to leave the
the cesspool that that is college basketball, and he kind
of alluded to it being as such and and take
a chance at being an NBA coach. But from everything

(01:05:35):
I hear from people around that team, he just he
runs the practices and runs the day to day like
it's still college and you can't do that. You can't
have like three four hour days where you're doing long
practices and long film sessions with NBA players. Maybe some
of them you can do it with, but most of

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them you can't. And I had somebody just a couple
of days ago, you know, compare his run as an
NBA coach to what Mike Montgomery went through when he
left Stanford to go coach the Wars. He just wasn't
cut out to be an NBA coach. I'm starting to
get the feeling that that John Bee line, you know,
maybe the exact same way I mean, I was working
play in Boston when Rick Pottino came to the NBA.

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And Rick Pottino back then had like his own guys
basically at Kentucky two point oh, like Tony Delkin, Yeah,
Walter McCarty and Antoine Walker. And he still failed because
he just couldn't figure out a way to to coach
differently and run a team differently. And it feels like
line is just the same way. So this at a
long way of saying that I think this, this current

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incident will will will pass. But it's just another reason
why maybe the Cavaliers will part ways of Belin after
the season, because this is a big story that he
had decided to leave Michigan and take over. I mean,
a lot of people were stunned that he had made
this decision. And the reason why, I say, do you
wish he could? Do? You think he wishes when he
watches Michigan play in Michigan State. Let's say that a

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part of him wishes, Man, why in the world did
I ever leave that for this? I mean, and and
and I guess the larger context is what is the
biggest difference between coaching in college in the NBA I'm
sure there are tons, But is it just that there's
a lot less xs and ohs, especially during the regular season,
a lot less coaching so to speak. I mean, how

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would you assess it so far as you can tell
the difference between a coach making the leap to a
different league. I think that's part of it, the the
X of the os. Remember when Calipari went pro, it
was he was not a good ex of the nose coach.
I mean there was one time I think he you know,
sent four guys out onto the floor at one point
for first sequence. I mean, there was there was a

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lot of I mean, there's a lot of stuff that
went on there in New Jersey. But I think more
of it is, Look, you can, you know, run guys
into the wall over a thirty game season, you know,
and you can say whatever you want eighteen year old.
You can't do that to grown men who are making
more even you, And you can't do that over eighty
two games. It just it just doesn't work. And and

(01:08:05):
when you're and from what I hear, they're I mean,
like I said, there are like these these long practices
in Cleveland and long uh film session in Cleveland, Like
I just can't connect to that. Um, there's gotta be
a middle ground, and I don't think the lion has
has found. I still don't don't think he regrets it.
I mean, the guy got a five year contracts like
to coach in the NBA guarantee, so he can even
if he gets let go, and he can just walk

(01:08:26):
away with his sort of you know, proverbial rolex watch
for the next you know, four years and if he
really does want to get back into college coach, and
there's no doubt he'd be able to do it. But
I just I don't understand it for a Cleveland perspective.
I mean, I just there's so many good young coaches
out there. I mean, his assistant coach, JB. Bickerstaff is
a really good coach they could have hired to coach
that team. So I just understand the thinking between, you know,

(01:08:48):
hiring a guy like hiring a guy like that to
coach a rebuilding team. What else should we be aware
of as we come up on the midway point of
the NBA season is that, you know, because I think
there's a lot of people out there, certainly in my audience,
who are all in on football and they're gonna watch
the Divisional round this weekend, and they're gonna watch the
NBA and then the national title game for college football

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on Monday, and then they'll suddenly realize, oh wait, you know,
they've got a couple of games left, only three games
left in the regular NFL season, and they'll start to
pivot to college and to the NBA. What would you
say is out there that they should be really paying
attention to as they come out of this football universe.
But look, when you get into February, it's gonna be
a lot of fun because I think there's gonna be

(01:09:29):
a lot of activity before the trade deadline. Not the
monster players being moved, but the fringe guys that a
lot of teams are gonna be after, the Tristan Thompson's,
the Robert Covington's guys that that could make a difference
as your six or seventh man. Because there's more parody
in the NBA right now than there's been been really
I can remember, at least in the twenty years that

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that I've been been covering the league. And look, you know,
to to talk about something that I'm working on right now,
I think the market l full story is the best
story in the n b A. I mean, this guy
went through hell in Philadelphia, you know, dealing with with
everything he dealt with physically, and I've seen two games
to hit this week. I mean, he kicked the crap
out of Brooklyn with twenty five points on Monday, and

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he had seven assists last night to blow out win
for Washington. I mean, this is Orlando doesn't get a
lot of pub and I get why, but you know,
watching Marquel folks turn his uh you know, turn his
career around down in Orlando and become you know that
they have the beginnings of a high level point guard
is really fun to watch. I mean, I honestly, I
think he's the best story in the NBA. I really do.

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Just his just because of where he was and and
and all the things he went through to where he
is right now is really remarkable. The last question for
you is Zion comes back when I from what I hear,
either the end of this month or early next month.
And when he comes back, it will be very reduced minutes,
like fifteen to twenty per game for a little while

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and until he kind of kind of sees what so
basically the entire season for him as a wash a
little bit, A little bit. Look, I gotta tell you,
I mean, you know, it's not the same thing, but
seeing Blake Griffin undergo another season ending type of surgery
on his knees has got to be kind of a
red flag if you're New Orleans. I mean, they're not

(01:11:17):
the same player, but it's another you know, Zion is
another guy that just explodes and plays at the rim
and put a lot of weight down that body when
he comes back down. And really since the beginning of
his career, Blake is dealt with significant knee injury. So
if you're the Pelicans, you've got a really slow play
of this. Try to get him back. So it is,
it is, in a way kind of a red shirt

(01:11:38):
year for Zion. He'll get he'll play, It's no doubt
about it. But I don't think you'll be giving you
thirty thirty five minutes anytime soon. Good luck with that article,
look forward to reading it. He's Chris Mannox at s
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Thursday edition of the program getting ready for the Divisional
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New Orleans over the weekend getting ready for that one.
We'll be talking about that, uh, because some in the
next hour as well as certainly Friday and Monday as well.

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But another guy coming out of college going to the NFL.
Matt rule was introduced yesterday by the Carolina Panthers, and
he had a lot to say. I think we've got
a couple of cuts here. One, there's a lot of
uncertainty surrounding the quarterback position in the NFL, and in
particular some of the free agents, whether it's Cam Newton,

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whether it is Tom Brady, whether it's Philip Rivers, whether
it is Teddy Bridgewater. Uh and potentially Eli Manning if
he's deciding that he wants to play. He heard us
talking about that with Frankie Soul a little bit. But
the first part of this is what in the world
are the Carolina Panthers gonna do with Cam Newton Matt
rule at least yesterday, he wasn't that committal about what

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he anticipates. I had a chance to talk to Cam yesterday,
and I have the utmost respect for for him and
what he's done, and I love the way he talked
to me, to be quite honest, that he didn't like
he didn't want to talk about the past. He wanted
to talk about the future and so but other than that, I,
you know, I would rather much rather talk to those
guys and kind of get a field for not just
Cam but all the players in the roster and really
have a good process moving forward. Now he's got a

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seven year deal. Now he's gonna make a lot of money.
Matt Rule is to be the head coach of the
Carolina Panthers, So he doesn't really have to make an
immediate decision about Cam because he's got one year left
on his deal. But that will be the first major
decision that kind of gives you an indication of whether
Rule feels like this Carolina Panther team can win now
or if he feels like he has to go back

(01:13:44):
into the drawing board a little bit and rebuild. So
that will be the first question. Uh. The the second
major question is does he have the energy and the
PEPs in order to to get people fired up? Well,
you would seem to think yes, if you listen to this,
if you need some some some firepower to run through
old ball, uh this morning, listen to this. Why the call?

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Why the draw? Why? Why do you want to take
on this next chapter of your life? Well, coach, you
had a great thing at Baylor. Why did you want
to go to the nfil And it's it's really simple
to me. I start every I start every decision in
my life with why, And I'll tell you this. And
I love the game of football. I was a kid
that grew up in New York City and and uh,

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you know, basketball all around me and said something from
an early age, I love the game of football. My
mom would when my dad was working. My mom would
take me out and I would say, now, as I
ran a flyerrout and should throw the ball as far
as she could and I wouldn't go over and try
to catch it. My dad once twice year would drive
me to Pennsylvania, to Penn State and watch games. I
love the game of football, and football has done so
much for me in my life. I was able to

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go to Penn State and was not a great player,
but I was able to to to to to in
some small part, contribute to that team. I was able
to then to go on and get my master's degree
because of football. I was able to get into coaching.
And football has brought me in all these places and
to meet all these people, and it's brought me here today.
It's a special game. It's the greatest game that there is.

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You walk into a locker room, there's guys of all ages,
There's guys from all different parts of the country. There's
guys of all shapes and sizes. Yet they come together
to form a team and play the hardest game that
there is to play. They play in bad weather, they
play when they're injured, they play when they don't feel great.
They find a way to get it done as a team.
It's the greatest game that there isn't. As I sat

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here and was trying to make a decision about my life,
I said to myself, Matt, do you want and I
want to go and be a part of the greatest
game at the highest stage, and I just had to
figure out where pretty good stuff there from. Matt rule
as he makes his case for what kind of coach
he maybe with the Carolina Panthers. He's got seven years.

(01:15:55):
But the first major decision he's gonna have to make
is what do you do with Cam Newton? And the
easy answer is, because he's got seven years, you know what,
he may sit back and say, I don't have to
make an immediate decision about Cam Newt. Now, I can
bring Cam back. We've got one year left. I can
let Cam play. I can see how he fits in
my offense. I can see whether or not he's the guy,
and we can go ahead and move on if he's not.

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If he's not able to come back and be a
healthy then we don't have anything to worry about. I
think that's probably the play to make in Carolina, is
to bring back Cam for one more year, see how
he does in this new Matt rule offense, and then
make a decision on him going forward, as opposed to
try to make a decision before he even plays. Big decision,
but I think you probably paunt on it for a year.

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We come back. Divisional round playoffs are here. What do
we think in the NFL? Next? This is outkicked the
coverage with Clay Travis. As we roll into our number three.
The NFL wild Card weekend has passed. The Divisional round
is now he year. We only have I don't want

(01:17:01):
to alarm you, but we only have seven NFL games
remaining in this season. Four of them will be played
this weekend to on Saturday, two on Sunday. This is
really your last full weekend of football for the year.
If you have a wife or girlfriend that you have
been neglecting, now is the time to let her know

(01:17:23):
you soon might be free on the weekends of those games.
Really kind of intrigued. We'll do our draft tomorrow of
the best game that you want to watch out there,
but three of them are touchdown or more games, and
so that seems aggressive to me. I'm looking at the

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numbers right now, and obviously we talk a lot about
the line as a part of Lock It in the
show I do every day on FS one. But on Saturday,
the San Francisco forty Niners are a full touchdown favorite
over the Minnesota Vikings. That's seems to me like a
wildly high line, particularly when the over under his forty

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four and Minnesota feels like to me a team that's
playing with house money. I loved what I saw from
Dalvin Cook and from Kirk Cousins on the road against
the Saints. Then the Titans seems crazy to me that
they are in nine and a half point underdog against
the Baltimore Ravens for the game on Saturday night. Now,
I know that that Ryan Tannehill did not have a

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very good game on the road against the New England Patriots.
The Patriots had the best past defense in the NFL.
You know who has the second best past defense in
the NFL The Baltimore Ravens. But they're substantially worse. And
the mark Ingram injury. We're gonna talk with Dr David
Chow at Pro Football Doc doc here in a minute. Uh,
in the next segment. This mark Ingram injury to me

(01:18:50):
could be really significant. He didn't practice again yesterday, so
he hasn't practiced on Tuesday or Wednesday of this week. Uh.
The x actation is he may not practice all this
week at all. And I understand that the Ravens have
a good rush attack, and you like the depth that
you have at the running back position, but Ingram out

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of the backfield and as a rusher was by far
the best compliment to Lamar Jackson in that read option
game if he's not a hundred percent healthy or he
gets deemed up early in that game with a calf injury.
And again we're gonna talk about this with with Dr
David Chow. That's a pretty big deal. That's a pretty

(01:19:33):
big deal that he could potentially be facing some issues
with And if so, then nine and a half seems
to me to be a pretty crazy number. Uh. Same
thing with the Texans who went on the road already
and beat Kansas City. In Kansas City, they ran rough

(01:19:55):
shot over them. Now, I know the Kansas City defense
has improved since then, but having the Texans as a
nine and a half point underdog is pretty wild to
me as well. Now, I think Green Bay and Seattle
on Sunday night is gonna be an incredible game Russell
Wilson against Aaron Rodgers. Can't wait to watch it. But
that game is a more reasonable line for four and

(01:20:16):
a half. Whatever it is. I want to bring in
the crew, which of the three touchdown or more underdogs
is most likely to pull the upset off? And I'm
gonna go in reverse order because Eddie complained that dub
always steals his talk, so I will start with you, Roberto.
Before I get to you, Roberto, I'm gonna tell you

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which guy, which team do I think is most likely
to pull off the upset? I think it's the Vikings.
The forty Niners have shown themselves to be playing a
lot of close games right. They lost to the Falcons
in a tight game right at the goal line. They
won against the Seahawks in a tight game right at
the goal line. They lost overtime to the Seahawks. They

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lost a tight game too, uh the to the Ravens,
which might be a Super Bowl preview the forty Niners did.
They also were very fortunate to win a tight game
on the road against the New Orleans Saints. I think
San Francisco will play a close game against the Vikings,
and I like the Vikings as a seven point underdog

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to keep this game close. And if I had to
pick one of these three touchdown or more underdogs to
pull off the upset, I would go Vikings. What say you, Roberto,
uh as are the Tians uh where I'm I'm I'm
much of the underdog nine and a half. I'm gonna
I'm gonna say that, I'm gonna say that the Tians
have a have a chance. Yeah, I don't think that's

(01:21:45):
a bad I I it would not stun me if
the Titans have a chance to win this game in
the fourth quarter either. What about you, Eddie Garcia, how
do you think this is gonna break out? Who would
you pick as the most likely to win of those
three touchdown or more underdogs? Well, even though I picked
him to go to the super Bowl, I might go
with the Chiefs. Actually, they have a hell of a

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time for whatever reason, in playoff games at home, and
which their favorite I mean, I don't have a statue. Yeah,
it doesn't make any sense that. I mean, Arrowheads seems
like a place where there's a it's a great environment.
They've had pretty good teams, but um, I'm not sure
if they get over that. Things go wrong early in

(01:22:28):
that game. I think the crowd did. The life gets
sucked out of them, and DeShawn Watson can make some
that wasnaving my other pig, and then and then Andy
Reid in the playoffs, I mean, is play management is
play clock is always a questionable. Here's here's the chief
It's an interesting point. Here is the Chiefs, And I'm
sorry for Chiefs fans out there who are like, no,
don't make me relive this. Here is the Chiefs playoff history,

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going all the way back to all right, are you ready?
Loss loss nineteen ninety seven, loss, two thousand three, loss,
two thousand six, loss, two thousand ten, loss, two thousand
thirteen loss, two thousand fifteen loss. Uh, And they then

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uh finally won a wild card game against the Houston
Texans in let's see twenty fifteen. Is that right? Uh?
They won a wild card game in the fifteen season.
Then Uh, then they went back to loss in tween
loss in twenty seventeen, and then obviously last year they
almost went to the Super Bowl that they could have

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had a guy line up on sides, they would have
been in great shape. But of those of those games, Uh,
they lost at home to uh the Colts back in
ninety five, They lost at home in ninety seven, they
lost at home in two thousand three, they lost at
home in two thousand ten, they lost at home in
two thousand sixteen, and they lost at home in two

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thousand seventeen. Oh, that's a lot of losses in a
row at home until they finally broke that trend with
a win over the Colts last year and again nearly
went to the Super Bowl. They should have beaten really,
they should have beaten the the the New England Patriots
last year, and they found a way to lose because
d Ford couldn't line up on side. So I don't

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think that's a bad play. What about you, dub, which
direction would you go? Who's the most likely team to
pull off the upset? Or on the flip side, if
you want to look at it a different way, who's
the most likely team to lose? Among the seven or
more point underdog teams, the Vikings are seven point underdog,
The Titans are a nine and a half point underdog. Again,
I'm looking at Fox bet right now. They're app live

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uh and the Houston Texans are at nine and a
half point underdog. Yeah. I love the Vikings last week
and I love them again this week. And I got
a couple of numbers here for you For San Francisco.
We talked about their defense a lot, but eight of
the their last nine games they've given up more than
twenty points, so there's something to look at their Also
on the betting front, San Francisco under Shanahan is five

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twelve and one against the spread as a favorite under
head coach Kyle Shanahan on and on the other side,
Mike Zimmer, great coach. He's eighteen and eighteen against the
spread against uh NFC North opponents, so in division he's
right at five hundred, but against other teams that are
not in his division, he's forty four nineteen and one.
So this is a team that's coached by him, and
they're they're very physical. We saw it last week with

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Dalvin Cook in the run game, and I think they
carry that over this week into San Francisco. And like
you've mentioned before in the show, they're playing with house money, him,
Kirk Cousins and the squad. They just went on the
road beat in New Orleans. They've got confidence that they
can go on the road again and beat another really
good team in San Francisco. So I think, to me,
the Vikings have the best shot here. Yeah, I feel
like Kurt, I like this guy. I like that call

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uh and that's the one I agree with. I feel
like Kirk Cousins has the proverbial monkey off of his
back now that he's finally won a playoff game. And
sometimes you can see somebody just feel like they're playing
with a new effervescent quality where they're just gunning the
ball all over the field. Because what's the worst case scenario.
If the Vikings lose to the forty niners, people are

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gonna say, of course the Vikings lost, the forty nine
is the best team in the NFC. They were on
the road, what did you expect? I mean, they've already
exceeded expectations in a tremendous fashion. Which is also why,
by the way, I like the Titans on the road
against the Ravens, because I think the Titans have absolutely
no pressure on them. They just won a hugely massive game,

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an iconic win even for their franchise, against the Patriots
on the road. Ryan Tannehill, just like Kirk Cousins, just
got his first playoff win ever, and now he feels
like he has no way to think about Ryan Tannehill.
When he entered this year, he was a backup who
questioned whether or not his career really as a quarterback

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in the NFL was going to continue. He had been
jettisoned by the Miami Dolphins, who weren't a good football
team to begin with, and he was backing up Marcus
Mariota questioning on a one year deal, questioning whether or
not he had a future as a starting quarterback in
the league, and realizing that he might have to be
a backup for the rest of his career. Then boom,

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after six weeks, he gets the job. Not only does
he come in, he has the best statistical passing year
in the NFL. He's the fourth highest rated passer of
all time. And he fights his way, wins down the stretch,
goes whatever it is, seven and three down the stretch
in order to get his team in as the last
wild card team. And by the way, the Titans have

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to win. Basically, they're playing in the playoffs the last
five or six games of the regular season, right like,
they're constantly in a battle. It's not like they can
relax in any way. And then you draw as your
first playoff opponent, the greatest quarterback of all time and
Tom Brady on the road in uh in New England,
a place where they never lose. You go out and

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you fumble the ball twice. You recover both of them,
and you also throw an interception. You only throw for
seventy two yards. You only pass for ten yards to
your wide receivers who haven't combined two catches for ten yards,
and yet you win that football game to get your
first ever playoff win as a starting quarterback, something that

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nobody ever believed you would do. Uh in your career,
certainly went on the road against Tom Brady Bill Belichick
in the New England Patriots, and then you get to
come back and go play against the Ravens. What pressure
is on you at this point? You now have earned
yourself a twenty plus million dollar a year per year
contract probably for the next two or three years, and

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you now have won your first ever playoff game, and
you're playing entirely with house money because your team is
almost a double digit underdog on the road against Baltimore,
who's been the best team in the NFL all year.
And you're telling me that I'm supposed to feel like
I'm under pressure? Are you kidding me? I can play
for the first time in years if I'm Ryan Tannehill

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with absolutely no pressure on me at all, because I'm
in the best spot maybe I've ever been in my
entire career as a quarterback. And so I like that
feeling for a quarterback to have to just be able
to go out and let it loose. So I like
the Titans and I like the Vikings here as big

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underdogs to keep these games close. What about you, Danny
g Well, because of your and Dubbs influence on the show,
I might start gambling real money on sports because last
weekend I was wishing that I did have a bookie.
On Friday's show, I took the Vikings over the Sts
straight up, remember, which you said was bold. I could
have bought a boat. Uh. Minnesota was my preseason Super

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Bowl pick. So I'm gonna stay hashtag skull in Santa
clar It's gonna be a heavy dose of Dalvin Cook
and that Vikings front four on defense is gonna come
up big again. Yeah. I I just feel like these
number is are to substand. And by the way, I
don't dislike either the Texans as nearly a ten point
underdog either. I really don't. I know yesterday we had

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Jeff Schwartz on the program and he said, oh, I
think that the Chiefs are gonna totally blow out the Texans.
And I do think the Texans are a bit fraudulent.
Makes me a little bit nervous about betting on them
because they're the only team in the NFL playoffs that
has been outscored remaining in the NFL playoffs that has
been outscored by their opponents. So the Texans have given
up more points this year than they have scored. So

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if I were ranking, and that's probably a good topic
we can have for tomorrow, rank the remaining eight teams
based on how good you think they are? Um I,
I think that's a fun topic we can dive into tomorrow.
But spoiler alert, I think the Texans are the worst
of the eight teams remaining in the playoffs. But it
doesn't mean that I don't think they can cover the
ten on the road against the Kansas City Chiefs. That

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seems to be to be a very feasible number for
them to hit, particularly because we know in Week six
they went on the road and one outright there in
Kansas City, and I think psychologically knowing that they can
go into that road venue and win factors in a
big way in terms of their mental preparation. The thing
I'm concerned about with the Texans, frankly, is is will

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Fuller going to be healthy. If he is, then that
changes the dynamics of the Texans offense. It allows them
to have a deep threat. It opens up things more
for DeAndre Hopkins, gives Kenny still has a chance to
make plays, opens it up for those tight ends who
are still a little bit projects with the with the
Texans team, and also in theory, opens it up for

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Carlos Hide, who's had a pretty solid year as as
the Texans running back. But if will Fuller is not
healthy and if he's not able to full go, then
I think the pressure becomes more substantial on the Texans.
I'm also not very happy with the prep uh, the
the the the the blocking and the protection that they

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gave to Shaun Watson. He took some big hits. He
has most of his career as behind that offensive line,
And I think with Laramie Tunseil, who has had more
false starts than any player in the NFL this year,
it's gonna be a loud and ruck us in UH
in Arrowhead, and I want you to kind of put
a pin in it. I bet he has at least

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two false start penalties in this game, and that can
be significant because you're lining up for a third and
one or a third and two and you turn it
into a third and seven and the percentage chance of
conversion goes down substantially. All right, when we come back,
we talked about the key injury situation. What's going on
with mark Ingram? Uh? What do we expect with a

(01:32:35):
Dorey Jackson? How about Will Fuller who we just talked about,
J J. Watt, Travis Kelsey. There are a lot of
guys involved in the injury reports for these teams as
we come into the divisional round of the playoffs. We'll
talk with Dr David Chow next at Pro Football Doc.
Be sure to catch live editions about Kicked the coverage
with Clay Travis week days at six am Eastern three

(01:32:56):
am Pacific. Thanks for getting up early with Dr Chow.
Let's start with with mark Ingram, who I think is
probably the highest caliber player that has been on injury reports.
You may disagree. We'll get to that if there's other
guys that you think are more significant. But how much
of a concern should this be for Baltimore Raven fans

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or people who are interested in gambling this game when
it comes to trying to assess mark Ingram's health with
that calf injury, Well, I think you're right, Clay. This
is the number one injury and uh for the divisional round,
and I started talking about it towards at the end
of the season when he got the injury. The good
news was, in theory, you would have three weeks with

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the bye you know, the last week, the bye week,
and then before the playoffs to get better. The problem
is he heard a pop. It seemed like it was
at least a moderate calf string and those things linger.
You know. John Harbaugh, God love him. He's potentially coach
of the Year. It's always kind of optimistic on injuries,
and he was very optimistic. And then obviously they with

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some sort of setback and uh, calf jury's linger and
they can easily get aggravated. So it's the playoffs. It's
my belief that mark Ingram, even though he's mis practiced
now this week, is still going to try and play.
The question is how effective is he going to normal

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self or eight percent of normal self? But either way,
this is the big one to watch um and do
you think it matters? So when you talk about a
calf injury, is this something where let's say you get
a toward all shot and you get shot up. Is
it's something where you might be able to go for
a little while. I mean, how do you anticipate this

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impacting the way he plays? Right? In other words, if
he's out there, and I agree with you, I think
it would be very much of a surprise if, given
how many weeks he's had off since the last game,
he doesn't at least give it a go on Saturday night.
But how you know, how much can you go? Right?
Is it like the ham string where it's almost hard
to trust that it's there and it's hard to go

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a hundred percent because you're afraid of tweaking it. What
have you seen guys dealing with this kind of injury
have to deal with before? Well, you know, it is
more like a hamstring type injury where you just have
to work around it and you don't have the same burst.
And uh, in some ways, being the power runner that
he is makes it a little bit easier. I mean,

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if he were like a little scat back, that'd be
a huge deal. It's still a big deal for any
running back. And you know, uh, overall, I just don't
think he's gonna have the same performance as usual. So
the other guy that has had injury issues, and certainly
the Titans set him out to try to get well

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was Derrick Henry. And since they set him out for
a week, he's gone for over two hundred yards against
the Houston Texans and then I believe it's over a
hundred and eighty total yards against the New England Patriots.
When you watch Derrick Henry play, did he look close
to a percent to you running or did you still
detect maybe some issues with that hamstring? Yeah? Well, you're right, Clay.

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I think the last two games he was sixty six
carries three nights, three yards and four touchdowns. Yeah right,
Who who can say anything about that? I mean, I'd
be crazy to think that, to say that he wasn't
a I mean, to me, he looked awesome. And uh,
here's a guy who's been able to play through some
mild hamstring issues even before the week arrest really got

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him over the top. Helsey, he was in and out
of games and still pretty effective and and he seems
to be a guy obviously kind of like uh he
he might be the new school of Marshawn Lynch that
that gets uh stronger as the game goes on. Oh,
I mean, I don't think there's any doubt if people
who watched him at Alabama. I mean, somehow he's better
on the thirty five carry than he was on the

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fifth carry. I mean, it's uncanny if you can get
him up that many that many carries, and certainly it
makes it that much harder for guys to tackle him
as as big of a beast as he is. As
you know, he continues that that process. All right, Uh,
speaking of other guys that have had hamstring issues. Uh,
and then now I think it's a growing issue. Will
Fuller makes the Houston Texans a lot better on offense

(01:37:15):
when he's healthy and he's able to sort of take
the top off the defense. He didn't play at all
in their opener against their opening round win against the Bills.
The expectation is maybe he's gonna be able to go,
Uh this weekend against the Chiefs. What do you anticipate here? Yeah,
this is harder because Wilf's injury isn't just the growing

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He's coming off the hamstring still, so it's a double injury.
And really, as we pointed out in the preseason injury report,
this was not going to be his best year because
he's still coming off the a c L. Yeah, think
think back to Delphin Cook. Last year coming off the
cil with the hamstring, a subpar year and no one
wanted to draft him in fantasy. And look at the

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year he's had this year, now that he's two years out.
That's what I'm gonna expect for will Fuller. But for
this game, it's the playoffs. Everyone tries to play. I
think Will Fuller will try and play, but I don't
think he's going to be a hundred percent at all.
The good news is his cutting in quick movements will

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be more difficult, but given that he's kind of his
value of the Texas is kind of taking the top
off and run in a go route. So even though
he won't be fully himself what the Texans need him
to do, I think he's going to be able to do.
What do you think about about the health sort of
conditions that we've seen on the offensive line for the

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Texans over the course of this year. How is it
as a team? Are they doing from a health perspective? Well,
you know, the the the Texans have had their moments,
but right now they're not too bad. Right now. The
bigger concern for the Texans is in the secondary. You know,
some muscle injuries including hamstring and Jonathan Joseph. Bradley Roby

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came through pretty good last week. Jonathan Joseph is probably
their biggest question mark this week, and of course J J.
Watt amazed last week, right, I mean, I guarantee you, Uh,
they didn't go into the game and medical didn't go
into the game expecting to play fifty plus plays. To you,

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I mean, coming off that b pectoral injury, I think
it was. Did he look like a guy who who
felt at least for that game? Uh? Why? I mean,
he played a lot of snaps and it seemed like
a lot of impactful snaps. Yeah. Well, you know, the
first I watched it very closely. Uh, you know, going
into the game, the first I thought, on run defense

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he wasn't going to be able to do as much.
But on pass rush, especially with an outside speed rush,
he was going to do pretty well. And you know,
after all, eight percent of J. J. Watts pretty darn good.
And that's kind of what he was. But that's still
pretty darn good, uh of a defensive Player of the
Year is pretty good. The first series he played one snap,

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the fourth snap of sixth play series. The second series,
he played two I think was the fourth and seventh
and then by the second half in terms of you know,
the Texans being down. He played basically everything and he
made the big snap sack to sort of change the
tide for the game. Let's go Vikings forty niners. Um.

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We had some big time playmakers all year for the Vikings,
dealing with injuries. Adam Field and had that hamstring that
sort of nagged him all year. Obviously, was able to
play and made a tremendous is the important catch late
in that game against the she uh the Saints and
then Dalvin Cook they held out for two weeks and
he looked pretty healthy. How did you think both those

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guys looked? How do you think they will look in
their game against San Francisco. Yeah, well, Clay, as we discussed,
felt that Dalvin Cook was going to be fine, as
well as Alexander Madison. That is why the Vikings rested him.
Everyone was surprised when they rested him against the Green
Bay Packers when they thought, well, that's a meaningful game.

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That was a game that was even if they want
was a very small chance they were going to win
the division anyway. So I think the Viking said, look,
let's just cut our losses rest album cook weeks sixteen
week seventeen and got him three weeks of rest, and
he looked like a beast last week. In his st
joint injury is behind him. He still wears a harness

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for that left shoulder injury from week fifteen, but he'll
be okay. Alexander Madison fine. Adam Felan in terms of
Hamstring's fine, but he got a new ankle injury and
practice no video, so I can't tell you exactly what
it is. But being a wide receiver and in practice,
I doubt someone rolled up on him and got him
a high ankle sprang, so it's gonna be a low

(01:41:51):
inversion ankle spray. I think Adam Feeling will still go
and his partner in crime, Stefon Diggs, has missed the
last two practices with an illness, but I don't see
how any illness runs all the way into the weekend.
What about the forty Niners health? They have been really,
really messed up in terms of injury issues. They had
a week to heal up after a big war win

(01:42:14):
effectively over the Seahawks. What do you anticipate for them? Well,
I anticipate they're they're on the uptick in terms of health.
And even though that was a big win to get
him the top seat there against the Seahawks the last week,
there were a number of key players that were arrested
for the game. They got their caking and ate it
two in terms of they arrested d Ford, they arrested

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to Whiskey Tart the start with the ribs and Ford
with the hamstring. I think they're both going to be back.
And look, Kwon Alexander, apparently as a coaching decision, he's
following in the footsteps of J. J. Watt. He's his
injury was on Halloween, four days after J. J. Watts
peck tear. Admittedly, it's a little harder to play linebacker

(01:42:58):
in the open field where you have to wrap coming
off the pack tendon. And admittedly Kwan Alexander is as
a top player, but he's not J. J. Watt. But
we'll see if he gets into the game. There's a
chance that he gets in there as well. So the
forty Niners are clearly trajectory injury wise, are clearly in
the right direction. Last game between the Seahawks and the

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Green Bay Packers. What do we need to know about
the injury situation for either of these teams? Well, the
big thing there is for the Seahawks the running back
situation hasn't changed and won't change. Their top three running
backs are out with Chris Carson hip fracture, Rashad Penny
a c L and the CEJ Procise arm fracture, and
they all happened towards the end of the year, so

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they really didn't have a chance to develop replacements. The
four stringers pretty good. He's probably more the main guy now.
Marshawn Lynch is a couple of weeks into return, but
you know, I still don't see him being a twenty
carey guy. I mean, the game isn't that easy to
no matter how much you work out, to come up,
come off the couch, and and then be exactly the thing.

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But in spot usage, he's still a pretty powerful runner.
There's some offensive line issues for the Seahawks. Dwayne Brown limited,
Mike you Potty was out, and uh defensively, Michael Kendricks
did go out with an a c L a couple
of weeks ago and was now on injured reserve, So
there there are a few issues on the Seahawks. The overall,

(01:44:25):
the Packers are the healthy squad at this point in time.
All right, And we talked quite a bit about this story,
and we're talking to Dr David Chow at Pro Football Doc.
Encourage you to go follow and appreciate him coming on
with us every Thursday all season long. We talked a
lot about the decision making. UH of to a talk
about loo whether or not it made sense for him

(01:44:47):
to go pro or come back to college. He had
a press conference, talked about his medical recovery and UH
and his decision to go pro. You had said for
several weeks that the smart decision you thought was to
go pro. Did you learn any thing new from from
those statements that he made or do you just further
endorse that he ultimately came to the right decision. You know,

(01:45:08):
no question for me medically and financially, he made the
right decision. Socially and for him and his family, that's
up to him. I I don't know his circumstances, and UH,
you know, I think he's in a good spot for this.
But looking forward now, because we always like to do
this right, give your audience something to look forward to.
Here's what's gonna happen. You're gonna hear continue to hear

(01:45:30):
positive news leading up to combines. Why all the medical
news coming out leading up to combine only comes from
the player or his agent, uh team, doctors that have
treated him only will say positive things. Look, it's if
it's a job interview. Are you going to uh list

(01:45:53):
references that are going to say bad things about you
that you're late to work all the time. No, you're
gonna list positive references. And doctors can only say what
the patients let them say, So they're all gonna be
positive spin whether true or not, they're all gonna be
positive reports. He's not gonna work out at combines, but
then again, most top quarterbacks don't. He probably won't do

(01:46:14):
a Pro day because he probably won't be ready enough
to show off anything at Pro Day, But come combines
and whatever, and post combines, I think you'll start to
hear some negative news about his health. Why, because the
reality is he had a fracture dislocation of the hip,
and it's not all roses. But also sometimes sources will

(01:46:36):
come put out negative news because maybe you were your
team actually wants to draft to us and you're in
the middle of the first round, so you need him
to drop a little bit, or maybe you're the Dolphins
that I'm not accusing the Dolphins off anything. Maybe someone says, look,
we want him and we've got three first round picks,
maybe we can get him for our second or third
first round picked instead of the first one. And uh.

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You'll see a lot of miss this information in both directions.
But the bottom line is teams, team, doctors and gms,
they're going to get actual looks at him. They're going
to interview them, gonna look at his X rays, look
at his m R I, look at his CT scans,
look at his operative reports and interrapretive pictures and everything.
They're gonna know the truth and make their own decision.

(01:47:18):
The rest of it is all just for us in
the public to see and uh and have fun about
outstanding stuff. As always, my man, I appreciate you coming
up with this early in the morning and look forward
to seeing what you have to say during the games
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within the I Heart Radio apps search f s R
to listen live kind of the early nineties when the
Cowboys were actually relevant. That was the last time they
won a Divisional round playoff game, and they got a
new coach, Mike McCarthy, and his idea is, you know what,
I'm gonna put the Cowboys back into the Super Bowl,
back into the NFC Championship game. And how did he

(01:48:02):
do that? Well, he began by saying something I predicted
that he might. Hey, Dez Bryant, you know that Divisional
round game, Romo hit him and they called it not
a catch. Well, actually, maybe Mike McCarthy's got a new
new view on that now that he's no longer the
Packer coach and he's now the Cowboy coach. I'm gonna
tell exactly what happened because I had one time out
and I think we had over four minutes left in

(01:48:23):
the game, and I set it off the game. That
was one hell of an athletic play. And I was
impressed because I mean Dez and Sam Shields. I mean,
you talked about two great athletes going after the football.
But I asked the question in regards of how the
role was written, I was given the right answer by
the referee, So then I challenged it. And if he
wouldn't answered the question the right way, you know Jans territory,
I would not have challenged it. So I think it

(01:48:45):
was clearly a technical rule at that time. Stephen has
since gotten a change on the competition committee. I can't
tell how me people from Dallas have told me about
that place. So it's it's funny. But it was a
great catch, I can say now, but there wasn't then technically, Yeah,
I said, I think I sent out a tweet. The

(01:49:06):
first thing you should say is, first of all, I'm
excited to be in Dallas. Secondly, thats caught it. Uh.
That would have been a great introduction for for Mike
McCarthy back in the day. Uh to to flip script,
But I'm not sold on Mike McCarthy as being the
answer for the Cowboys. But it's not an indictment of
Mike McCarthy. It's just I don't know that the Cowboys

(01:49:27):
have the right set up to be able to be
incredibly successful in the years ahead. And what I mean
by that is they've got major salary cap issues that
are coming down the pike for them, and in particular,
they've gotten the advantage over the last four years of
having Dak Prescott to an unbelievable rookie contract. Guys, do
you know what Dak Prescott made the last four years

(01:49:48):
to play quarterback? Two point seven million dollars? Two point
seven million dollars. Now, to put that into context, do
you know what Skip Bayliss is making this year to
talk about the Dallas Cowboys on FS one six million dollars?
So Skip Bayliss over the last four years to talk

(01:50:09):
about the Cowboys is going to have made twenty four
million dollars over the last four years. In order to
play quarterback for the Cowboys, Dak Prescott is gonna have
made two point seven million dollars. Now, I'm not begrudging
Skip his money. I want everybody in my industry to
make as much money as possible. Trust me, what I'm

(01:50:30):
pointing out here is how drastically underpaid Dak Prescott has been.
The challenge for the Cowboys is do you know how
many playoff games they won with that advantage? One? So
they had a quarterback that they were fortunately able to
pay almost nothing, which allowed them to spend a lot
more money on other positions around him, with the idea being, Hey,

(01:50:53):
we're gonna pull a Seattle Seahawks with Russell Wilson. We're
gonna win a super Bowl with a really young guy
at quarterback while he's under his rookie deal, and then
when we eventually have to pay him what he's worth,
hopefully we'll have been able to build around him, get
a super Bowl, be able to have a championship, and
plan for it. I don't know that the Cowboys have

(01:51:15):
planned that well for it. They've now wildly overpaid Ezekiel Elliott.
Their quarterbacks deal is up, their top wide receiver deal
with a Marie Cooper is up. So how are they
going to handle this? Are they going to try to
franchise Dac? If they did, I wouldn't show up if
I were Dak Prescott. Are they gonna pay Amari Cooper
twenty million dollars a year like he's gonna want. Can

(01:51:36):
they afford to pay him twenty and DAC thirty and
Ezekiel Elliott fifteen? I don't really think they can. So
the Cowboys, irrespective of who their head coach was going
to be, are likely to find themselves in salary cap
constraints because that great bye that they had on Dac
as a fourth round quarterback who only made two point

(01:51:58):
seven million dollars, he's gonna want, and I think justifiably
so from his perspective, one of the biggest contracts, if
not the biggest contract that's ever been signed in the
history of the NFL. So as good as Mike McCarthy
might be as a coach, he can't control what his
quarterbacks salary is gonna be, and he can't control what
his running backs or his wide receiver salary is gonna be.

(01:52:20):
So I think that the Dallas Cowboys have major issues
trying to figure out how to reconcile all of these
deals that have nothing to do with whether Jason Garrett
or Mike McCarthy or anybody else is the head coach
of their franchise. But I can't wait to see how
it's gonna play out, particularly given all of the wider
all of the free agents that we're going to see

(01:52:41):
at the quarterback position, whether it's maybe Cam Newton, Eli Manning,
Philip Rivers, Tom Brady, Marcus Mariotta, Jamis Winston, there's just
a lot of uncertainty. Then you toss in now with
Jake from going Pro from Georgia two 's going Pro. Now,
you got Justin Herbert, You've got Joe Burrow. There's a
lot of uncertainty in the NFL. It's gonna be an
exciting offseason. But first, we've got an incredible round of

(01:53:03):
divisional playoffs coming up starting on Saturday and Sunday that
we'll be breaking down for you all day the rest
of the day on Fox Sports Radio, but certainly tomorrow
on OutKick as well. Appreciate you spending your Thursday morning
with us. This has been OutKick on Fox Sports Radio
Radio Radio. This is Outkicked the coverage with Clay Travis

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