Stand Up For Your Take

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Let's jump right into the NFL. Let's jump right into
Sunday Night Football because it was one of two games
in the NFL that I thought were show me games.
Not coincidentally, maybe I picked before the season started, the
Minnesota Vikings and the San Diego Chargers, which are now
the l A Chargers, I know, but they'll always be

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the San Diego Chargers to be on some in some
way to be in the in the Super Bowl. And
both of those teams were going on the road against
teams that. I think it's fair to say we know
were pretty good. I don't think anybody out there's like
the Patriot stink. I don't think anybody's out there's like, oh,
you know, who's never any good? The Pittsburgh Steelers. We

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knew the Patriots were good. We knew the Pittsburgh Steelers
were good. And the question that was out there, and
I think it's a good one that mattered the most
as we came into this weekend in the NFL, was
are the Chargers for real? Even though they're sitting at
eight and three, their best wins coming into last night's

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game for the Chargers on the road against the Seahawks
and in London against the Titans two okay wins, but
not two wins where you thought, oh, that's definitely a
Super Bowl contending team. And the Vikings needed and still
need to at worst split in the next two weeks

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in order to still be in any way in the
mix to be able to make a run in the playoffs.
I think, well, we found out that the Vikings, at
least for right now, are not ready for prime time
this year. With Kirk Cousins, I thought it was gonna
be a competitive game. I thought the Vikings would go
on the road and be able to make plays in

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a serious way against the New England Patriots. Instead, the
Vikings fell flat on their face. They're now sitting basically
at even at six five and one. Now, the Washington
Redskins may well lose tonight to the Philadelphia Eagles and
Monday Night football, that'll clear up a little bit the
NFC playoff picture as we come down into the fine

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four weeks and it doesn't appear that there's going to
be at least four that sixth spot in the NFC
that good of a record, because right now in the
NFC you've got the Washington Redskins, Minnesota Vikings, Carolina Panthers,
and probably the Philadelphia Eagles all right around six and

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six by the time Monday is done. We'll have that
breakdown for you tomorrow morning to kind of put everything
a cap stone on the NFC playoff race. But on
the other side of the equation, the Chargers went into
Pittsburgh and they played I think one of the best

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halves I have seen a football from any team all
season long. Now, was the officiating a bit suspect? Yes,
I hear you, Stealer fans. Everything didn't go flawlessly for you.
But when you are up twenty three to seven at
home with Ben Brothelisberger, Antonio Brown that defense, historically, that's

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not a game that the Steelers lose. Here's how it ended,
by the way, in the event that you went to
sleep beforehand, crazy ending three straight off sides penalties as
the Chargers lined up to try to kick the game
winning field goal on the final play of the game.
I believe we have that audio for you in the
event that you went to sleep before it ended, or

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maybe even in the event. I bet there's some of
you right now that are listening like, oh my god,
the Chargers actually won that game, Because there are a
lot of people who think a little bit like me.
You put the game on, and then if you see
one team kind of get out in in front by
a substantial margin. It's twenty three seven and a half,
especially if you're on the East Coast, you might go

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ahead and turn it off, or go focus on other things,
go to bed, not really think that there's much of
a game coming in the second half. It would have
been not a surprise if you had found out, Hey,
the the Chargers gonna win thirty three to thirty. A
lot of people would have said, man, I had no
idea that was coming, no earthly idea that based on

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what we had seen so far, there was any way
to believe that the Chargers are gonna perform like they
did in the second half. But here was the final kick,
the final scenarios surrounding the Chargers going on the road
and getting big wind over the Steelers for the win.
Michael Badgeley, and this one is up and through. It

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is good. The Chargers win, Michael Badgeley from twenty nine yards,
even though the Steelers were off sides again three straight
plays they were off sides. Uh. Now, there's a lot
of controversy surrounding a false start that led to a
touchdown was not called. I think we have audio of

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that if I'm not mistaken. And we got movement on
the right side no flag, though Rivers wants the right
sideline has ben Jamin Card touchdown Chargers forty six yards,
no flags. So the tackle there clearly was moving early,
should have been a false start. Instead it was a touchdown.

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And there's a lot of focus on the NFL, as
there always is on officiating miscalls everything else. But in general,
that's gonna happen sometimes. I think what it didn't take
away from is that the Chargers went on the road
and they made a big time statement. All right, So
the Chargers are now nine and three and as good

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as the Kansas City Chiefs have been. Is it crazy
to think that the Chargers could run the table and
end up winning the a f C West. I mean,
think about this for a minute. The Bengals are going
on the road against the Chargers this coming weekend. That's
a win. The Bengals are done, they are finished, So

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the Chargers gonna get to ten and three there. Then
the Chargers on the road against the Chiefs in a
Thursday night game in Arrowhead. Is that an incredibly tough environment? Yes?
Will it likely decide the a f C West Yes,
But based on what we saw against the Steelers, would
it stun you If the Chargers went on the road
and played in a really competitive game against the Chiefs,

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that wouldn't stun me at all. Then you've got the
Ravens going to the Chargers. It's obviously gonna be an
insanely difficult game. And then the Chargers finish on the
road against the Broncos. It's possible that both those teams
are playing on a real winning streat because the Broncos
are six and six, and I think the Broncos might
well win their next three and be nine and six

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playing for a chance to go to the postseason. Speaking
of the postseason, the a f C postseason picture, we
need to pour out the drink. Tomorrow. We will pour
out the drink for a bunch of NFC teams that
are officially done for the season. But I think it's
comfortable I have zeroed out that right now, there are

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six teams that have been eliminated from contending for the
playoffs in the a f C, and those six teams
in order are the Cincinnati Bengals, the Cleveland Browns, the
Buffalo Bills, the Jacksonville Jaguars, New York Jets, and the
Oakland Raiders. All of you are competing for draft picks
at this point in time, in the final four weeks

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of the season. We feel pretty good about the fact
that the Chargers at minimum are going to get one
of the wild card spots in the a f C.
And it's possible, like I said, that they could contend
with the Chiefs and ultimately end up winning the a
f C West, maybe even the a f C. We'll see,

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but so I feel very good about the Chargers making
the playoffs. There are going to There's gonna be a
battle royal down the stretch for the final wild cards
spot among the Baltimore Ravens, who are sitting at seven
and five. The Ravens have a really tough game this weekend,
coming up on the road against the Chiefs. Likelihood is

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they will lose that game, whether Joe Flacco or Lamar
Jackson is playing. Miami Dolphins are sitting at six and six,
The Indianapolis Colts are sitting at six and six, The
Denver Broncos are sitting at six and six, and the
Tennessee Titans are sitting at six and six. Those are
the teams that are fighting right now. Those five teams

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are fighting for likely the final playoff spot in the
a f C, and all of them have a relatively
even chance of winning it. I think one of them
will need to go tenant six. If you told me
the Dolphins are gonna win out and go tenant six,
I'd say they make the playoffs. If you told me
the Ravens. We're gonna get to tenant six playoffs, Colds

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tenant six playoffs, Denver Broncos tenant six playoffs, Tennessee Titans
ten and six playoffs. One of those teams will need
to get to ten and six in order to make
the playoffs. That is where we are in the a
f C right now. Last night, to me two big
statement games. Chargers answer the questions and the Minnesota Vikings

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come up empty. Now the Vikings have to go on
the road, I believe and win against the Seattle Seahawks
if they want to maintain their chances down the stretch
of really legitimately being a playoff team. All right, that
is where we are in the NFL. Appreciate all of
you starting off your morning. When we come back, I
will talk about the college football playoff picture. And I

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was at the Georgia Alabama game. I was on the
field for the end scenario Jalen Hurts, one of the
all time great comeback stories for an individual player. We
will discuss what we learned from all of the conference
title games. What did I think of the Playoff committee?
UH College Football Playoff Committee's decision to pick the four

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teams that they did, and what do we anticipate early
kind of looking ahead for the games that will have
in about four weeks between Alabama and Oklahoma and Clemson
and Notre Dame, all of that and more. Like I said,
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the game between Georgia and Alabama was an epic game
that made Jalen Hurts an Alabama legend. There is so
much I feel like microwavable expectations in modern day society.

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And what I mean by that is an expectation that
you're going to go from nobody's ever heard of you
two you are a superstar almost overnight, and that exists,
I think across the entirety of all of society right now.
Oh I'm gonna be an Instagram superstar. Oh I am
gonna go from nobody's ever heard of me too. I

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am famous overnight. And as I have gotten older and
I'm thirty nine, what I have come to appreciate more
than anything else is somebody who gets up and puts
in the work and is good day after day after day.
When I started working writing online, and I've been doing

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it for like fifteen years now, and that led into
radio and that led into TV, what I saw happen
over and over again was there are a lot of
flash in the night. People they write one good article online.
I started out kick it's gonna be what eight years
ago next year? So seven years right now, I've been going.
And my idea when I started out Kick was I'm

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gonna bring in other people who are gonna write, and
I'll have a lot of other people who do what
I do. And what I rapidly found was almost nobody
was willing to put in the time. Almost nobody out
there was willing to get up every day to grind,
to put in the work, to crank out opinions, to

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have a column or an article just every day, day
after day after day. People could do one good article
and then they'd want to sit on their laurels. They'd
want to get praised for it. They couldn't do it
day after day after day, and they wanted they said, oh,
I want to do what you do. But when push

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came to shove, most people don't put the work in.
And that's what you learn across the board with the
vast majority of people in America. Most people really don't
want to work that hard. Most people are not driven
to embrace success if it requires you to grind every

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day away from the limelight. And what I love about
Jalen Hurts and his story is this is a guy
who on the biggest stage of his life failed, came
out one his first twenty six as a starter or
whatever the heck it was lost in the title game

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to Clemson as a true freshman. Comes back his sophomore year,
wins every game up until the Auburn game. Doesn't play well,
Alabama loses, goes into the playoff, is not very good
in the first half in front of the largest audience
of people to watch a college football game in years

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between Georgia and Alabama in the National Championship game about
eleven months ago, and gets benched on the biggest stage
of all. What was the impact to him? He said,
And I don't know if we have this audio. We
need to grab this audio to play at some point
in today's show if we don't have it, he said.

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After that game, he was back in the hotel room
and he just started to cry and his mom and
his dad's arms. That's how devastated he was, even though
his team won the national championship, to get pulled as
the starter and not be the guy at Alabama and

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then he has to go through the entire offseason, loses
the job to Ta Tua, comes out and puts up
a Heisman Trophy caliber season. Jalen Hurts is in mop
up duty all season long, and then you couldn't write
a more wild story book ending. In the second half

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of the game against Georgia again in the same field,
in the same stadium, Ta gets hurt, gets pulled. They
called Jalen Hurts his number. He comes in with his
team down seven points, throws a touchdown pass on third
down to tie up the game, and then scores on

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a fifteen yard quarterback sneak to win the game for
his team and send them into the playoff against Oklahoma.
I can't tell you I was on the field watching
that happen, and I had chill bumps on my arm

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because that was such an improbable and extraordinary storybook ending
for a guy to come back on the field eleven
months later and make the plays that he did to
win his team the SEC championship. And I think in
so doing, Jalen Hurts became an Alabama legend. But I

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think what's so instructive about that moment is to me,
it represented the grind. Everything ain't gonna go your way
in life. Sometimes you get knocked down. It's not the
number of times you get knocked down, it's the number
of times you get back up. Jalen Hurts got knocked down.

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He got embarrassed on the most public stage of his
life at nineteen, at twenty years old, everybody saw him fail.
And not only did everybody see him fail, everybody saw
him replaced by somebody else who succeeded. It would have
been insanely easy for Jalen Hurts to walk out on

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Alabama and transfer somewhere else immediately because he was embarrassed
and his feelings were hurt, and he didn't want to fight.
He didn't want to wake up every day and continue
to grind. This is a kid who graduated in two
and a half years at college. We want to talk

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about something that is impressive. Playing football full time. You
are so on top of everything in terms of your
work that you go to college and graduate in two
and a half years. Do you know how many guys
go to college for five years and still aren't graduated.

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When they leave college after five years of playing athletics,
they red shirt, They then have four extra years and
they still don't have the credit hours to graduate. Jalen
Hurts did it all in two and a half years.
That's a guy who wakes up every day and works
to get better do you do? I what percentage of

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Americans on any given day wake up and try to
get better? And that's without anybody paying attention. Can you
away from the limelight grind to get better now? Jalen
Hurts is a big primetime example of what it's like

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to grind and then get your opportunity to come back
and attain redemption. Most of us won't have that public
of a climb back to glory, but all of us
can grind like Jalen Hurts grinded after being humiliated on

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that stage eleven months ago. I loved everything about it
because I feel like we live in this microwave society
where you either get instantaneous acclaim and instantaneous attention and
everybody sings your praises, or you run and go find

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somewhere else to go seek your chance at success. Jalen
Hurts had that opportunity after he was publicly humiliated and
pulled out of the game against Georgia and lost his
starting job. It would have been the easiest thing in
the universe for him to decide to go elsewhere. Do

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you know what he did? He sucked it up and
he went back and he worked harder and the result
showed on Saturday night in Atlanta with the comeback that
he brought to bear against Georgia. I just I don't
remember the last time that I felt better for someone

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for the way their story went. I think Jalen Hurts
deserved it all on that day. Now we'll talk about
the George's side of the equation here momentarily, but first
what you got for me? Ralph Urban Sunday night football
and saw the l A Chargers getting a late field
goal to beat Pittsburgh that after a couple of Steelers
penalties on miss and on a block, but the Chargers

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do get to win thirty three thirty Mike Badgley with
the game winning twenty nine yard field goal. Minnesota went
to New England. They fall to the Patriots, though twenty
four ten Tom Brady three and eleven yards in a
touchdown in the game. Marcus Mariota the game winning touchdown
to Corey Davis thirty six seconds to go in that
game lifts Tennessee over the Jets. Patrick Mahomes four touchdown

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passes Kansas City wins in Oakland forty to thirty three.
The Rams of the NFC West Division champions for the
second straight year. They went in Detroit thirty to sixteen Arizona.
They win at Green Bay seen the Packers respawned by
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They advanced from the College Football Playoff where they will
take on Oklahoma in the Orange Bowl. In the other
national semifinal, that being the Cotton Bowl, Clemson will take

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I am blown away by several things, and having been
there in person for both Georgia Alabama games in the
last eleven months, let me give you a couple of
stats to start with here, Georgia and Alabama have played
a hundred and twenty minutes in the entirety of their
head to head feud. It's a battle royale between Kirby

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Smart and Nick Saban. Alabama has trailed or been tied
in a hundred and nineteen of those minutes. Another way
of putting it is Georgia has led or been tied
in a hundred and nineteen of those a hundred and
twenty minutes, and they have lost both those games. The

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only time that Alabama lad in the National Championship Game
was on Tow's touchdown pass in overtime. The only time
that Alabama led in Saturday's game the SEC Championship game
was when Jalen Hurt scrambled and scored with a little

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over a minute to play. Jake From was fantastic. I
think Jake From has made himself into a big time
NFL draft pick. I think he'll come out after next year.
But to me, this game was decided when Kirby Smart
blinked when he went for the fake punt on fourth
and eleven in a tie game with Jalen Hurts in

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the ball game and an opportunity for Georgia to punt
Alabama deep and make Alabama beat them. This, to me
was a colossal failure by Kirby Smart and his uh
leadership of Georgia. Ultimately, head coaches are paid for their

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decision making. If you listen to this show, you know that,
by and large, I believe that the people who make
the most money in this country are ultimately all paid
for their decision making. If you're a CEO, what's your job,
It's to make tough decisions. If you are a doctor,
what's your job to make tough decisions. If you're a lawyer,

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what's your job make tough decisions. The tougher your decision,
by and large, the more money you make, because ultimately
you are being paid based on the quality of your judgment,
oftentimes on the spot, in difficult situations. That's ultimately what
makes a great coach. Why is Bill Belichick the greatest

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coach in the history of the NFL because of his
decision making in the clutch? Why is Nick Saban because
of his decision making in the clutch? Now, there are
all sorts of other factors that go into being a
college football or NFL top coach, but ultimately, it's on
the sideline, dynamic thinking in real time, with very little

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time to analyze the overall situation, you got to make
the right decision. Was an atrocious decision by Kirby Smart
to fake the football play there. You've got Justin Fields,
who I think, Look, I I think Kirby Smart has
been over backwards to try to keep Justin Fields, big

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time superstar quarterback, from transferring, and so he's tried to
put in all these different plays and all these different packages.
Just let Jake From be the quarterback. Tell Justin Fields
if he's not comfortable being the backup, he can transfer.
You don't need him. Honestly, I am. If I'm a

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Georgia fan, I am sick of Justin Fields coming on
the field and running wildcat formation plays when Jake From
is infinitely a better quarterback. We're Georgia. Jake From's our quarterback.
If you're not comfortable being the backup, then you can
transfer elsewhere and we'll go recruit a new quarterback. Because

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Jake From is our guy. He's probably gonna be a
first round pick after next season if he wants to leave.
If he doesn't want to leave, will be happy to
have him for four straight years. From was bawling out
in that game. He played as well as he could
against Alabama. There were not big windows for Jake from
to make the throws that he did. He was extraordinary

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in his performance. So you take the ball out of
his hands fourth in a eleven. You bring in Jacob Fields,
and you put him in a position where he has
almost no chance to succeed. Ball snapped to him fourth

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and eleven, mind you, and you run the ball for
two yards in a play that never had a chance
with Alabama in a punt safe formation. By the way,
Fields hasn't made a really good throw all year, so
why would you want him making a big throw there?
For any other reason but for you're trying to keep

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him happy so he doesn't transfer. Don't run that play,
Kirby Smart, You lost your team the game, and with it,
you lost your team's chance to make the college football
playoff with one of the most bone headed decisions I

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have ever seen. You panicked, your judgment failed. That fourth
and eleven play should have never happened. Alabama can't make
field goals. The one achilles heel of the Alabama Crimson
Tide four years has been what inability to make kicks,

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They miss extra points, They can't make field goals. Even
last year in the National Championship game, Alabama had a
chip shot field goal to win the National Championship and
not even go to overtime, and they yanked it and
it was never close. Every single person who is an
Alabama fan that is hearing me talk right now is

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nodding their head and saying, you know what, we can't
make field goals. Pressure packed situations, we miss field goals.
It's not even that pressure packed. We can't make extra points.
So why would you not kick the ball deep pen
Alabama inside the ten yard Make Jalen Hurts go beat

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you make him drive the field against you. He's the
backup quarterback. They've got to drive the field. There's not
that much time left in the game. You can get
into overtime. You've got the quarterback advantage. If you get
a stop, you're gonna get the ball and all you're
gonna need is a field goal. Now, your boy did

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yank at thirty yard field goal, which was a big
miss that would have given Alabama, I believe a thirty
one to fourteen lead. If I'm not mistaken, that was
a big miss. There's no doubt, but trust that your
defense is gonna get a stop. Trust that Jake from
is going to make a play. If you can just

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get Alabama off the field. Don't fake the it was
I was watching it, I was on the field, and
I was thinking to myself, what is he doing? What
are you thinking? Alabama is prepared for this. Nick Saban
ain't an idiot. He's in punt safe. Don't do it

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cost him the game, cost him the playoff. We'll talk
about the College Football Playoff. I'll tell you what I
think of the College Football Playoff Committee uh decision when
we come back on the flip side here. I appreciate
you spending your Monday morning with us as we unpack
everything that happened in the NFL and in college football.
I am Clay Travis's South Kick the Coverage. College Football
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coverage and the college football Playoff is officially set. And
the big question is did the College Football Playoff Committee
get it right? And I always say that ultimately the
College Football Playoff Committee, when it makes a difficult decision,
has to reconcile to competing interest. What is the goal
of the College Football Playoff Committee? Is it to put

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on the team that is most deserving or is it
to put the team in the college football playoff that
is the best. Now, sometimes those uh, those categories overlap. Alabama,
Clemson and Notre Dame were I think on some level
all incredibly does serving right? You go thirteen and oh

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and you win your conference like Alabama and Clemson did.
You go undefeated against all competition, as Notre Dame did
in a major FBS schedule, and you are undoubtedly incredibly deserving.
Alabama and Clemson are the two best teams in college football,

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so those two are easy. They are undeniably the best
and the most deserving. I don't believe Notre Dame is
the best, but I do believe they are the most deserving,
and that when you go twelve and oh, they deserve
to be in the College Football Playoff. But for the
fourth spot, the best available team was Georgia. Don't have

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to believe me. You can believe Vegas. Georgia would have
been a three and a half point favorite against Oklahoma
or Ohio State on a neutral field. They would have
been nearly a seven point favorite over Notre Dame. Georgia was,
even though they were eleven and two, unquestionably the best

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available candidate to make the College football Playoff. Zero down.
But they were not the most deserving team to make
the College football Playoff because they lost to l s U.
Because thanks to Kirby Smart's insanely dumb decision to fake

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that punt on fourth and eleven, They were not the
most deserving team so you had to then make a decision.
I think it came down to Georgia versus Oklahoma, and
ultimately that's what the College Football Playoff Committee showed you
because Georgia finished fifth in Ohio State finished sixth, and

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that was all she wrote in the College Football All
Playoff rankings. Oklahoma got in the College Football Playoff Committee
took most deserving over best. That was the way that
they broke the tie. They said, you know what, Oklahoma
went twelve and one. They lost one game in a

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neutral field to Texas by three points, and they came
back and they beat Texas by twelve. Therefore, we are
going with Oklahoma as the College Football Playoffs fourth team.
And by the way, the opening lines are out Alabama
around a fourteen and a half or fifteen point favorite

(35:41):
over Oklahoma. They will be playing in Miami on December
twenty nine. I believe I will be there to watch
that game in person. It should be fun. The over
undering this game already at seventy nine and a half. Meanwhile,
down in Dallas, we will have Clemson going up against
Notre Dame. Early prediction for you Clemsons around the twelve

(36:02):
point favorite. I think We're gonna get Alabama versus Clemson,
Part four, and that game will be taking place in
Santa Clara, and I believe I'll be out there doing
the radio show live from Santa Clara. In some form
or fashion. How we're gonna do that. I don't think
we've exactly figured it out, but I think it's gonna
be Alabama against Clemson for that national title game. And

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so as you look, my argument remains the same. First
of all, I'll let you open up the phone line
for the first time eight seven seven six three six nine.
You can weigh in on the College Football Playoff Committee
or anything that happened in the NFL, also the Kirby
Smart decision. I do believe in maintain my argument, and

(36:47):
I'm gonna keep getting on this the soapbox and making
this argument using my bully pulpit here that we need
an a team college football playoff. And if we had
an eight team college football playoff right now, we would
have Alabama playing against u CF, We'd have Clemson against Michigan.
We'd have Notre Dame against Ohio State, and we'd have

(37:08):
Oklahoma against Georgia. We'd have games on campus being played
in my ideal universe, Alabama, Clemson, Notre Dame in Oklahoma
would all host home playoff games and we would see
what would happen. Tell me that you wouldn't love to
see Oklahoma and Georgia rematch again in Norman. Tell me

(37:29):
you wouldn't love to see Notre Dame hosting Ohio State
in South Bend. Tell me Death Valley wouldn't be roaring
with Michigan coming on the road against Clemson, and that
Central Florida getting their chance to win against a big
time heavyweight opponent like Alabama down in Tuscalooso wouldn't be great.

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And by the way, if you don't think you Seef
deserves to be in, you could give the pack twelve
and odd and bring in Washington. Either way, if you
watch that Washington team play, there's no way they That
was an ugly game, man, Washington, Utah ugly, ugly game.
There's no way Washington will go on the road and
beat Alabama. I don't think anybody's gonna beat Alabama. I

(38:10):
think Alabama got their challenge. Now. I gotta figure out
what's going on with to his health. Severe ankle sprain.
Same thing with Hollywood Brown and what's gonna happen with Oklahoma?
Will he be ready to play? If not, Kyler Murray
and Oklahoma's offense is going to be in for a
challenge big time with that Alabama defense regardless. But boy,

(38:33):
those are two big time playmakers that we need to
see whether or not they can get healthy. Over the
next four weeks. Incredible weekend of NFL and college football.
We will unpack and continue to unpack it more. Will
also have your interaction as we begin our to eight
seven seven nine, six six three six nine. I'll also

(38:54):
bring in the crew and see what they're big takeaways were.
And I'm gonna start off hour to telling you what
I think about the messy situation with Kareem Hunt and
the Kansas City Chiefs and the NFL, and what I
thought of the video and what I think of that
story in general. Uh that obviously broke on Friday afternoon,

(39:17):
TMZ posting a video from inside of the hotel showing
Kareem Hunt shoving and kicking a woman was immediately released.
He did an interview with ESPNS Lisassaulters, I believe, and
we will talk about Kareem Hunt and what we think
about the NFL's decision making in that scenario and in

(39:38):
that situation when we return, we'll also take your calls
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in UH momentarily, but first, the college Football Playoff has
been set. Thank you for spending your Monday morning with US.
Alabama's the one seed they will play against number four

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seed Oklahoma down in Miami on December twenty nine, and
the number two seed Clemson Tigers will play against Notre
Dame down in Dallas on that same December twenty nine.
So that is set. We had several of you want
to act to the college football uh, the playoff rankings,
and so I'm gonna go to a couple of year

(41:06):
calls there. Then I'm gonna circle back around and talk
about this Kareem Hunt mess uh coming out of the
Kansas City Chiefs, the NFL's responsibility, the chief's decision making
the investigation, all of that. But first let's go to
Mark in Kentucky. Mark, what's up? Thank Good morning, Clay.
I think Oklahoma is the most deserving one one loss team,

(41:28):
but when you compare them head to head with Georgia
against the top twenty five, Oklahoma's two and one against
top twenty five Georgia four and two. Oklahoma, though defensively
has given up thirty three or more points in in
six games forty or more points in five george has
only given up thirty five and thirty six twice against
Alabama and l s U in their and their two losses.

(41:51):
I think Georgia clearly is at least a two score
um favorite over Oklahoma, somewhere in that ten to fourteen range.
If they were to play he dead, they would Okay,
thanks for calling. I think george is better. And that's
why I think the tension the College Football Playoff Committee
faces every year is how do we reconcile the decision

(42:12):
making between better and most deserving. Georgia is better, Oklahoma
was more deserving, and ultimately they decided that more deserving
one out. In this case, they also made the safe
political move because I think there would have been an
uproar if they had gone with eleven into Georgia over Oklahoma,

(42:35):
even though Georgia is clearly the better football team. I
guarantee you if Nick Saban was given his choice, do
you want to play Oklahoma or do you want to
play Georgia again after twenty eight days, that Nick Saban
would have said, Oh no, I would rather much rather
play Oklahoma. And I think Alabama will run Oklahoma. I
don't think it'll be that close. I think Alaba and

(42:57):
Vegas agrees with me. By the way, fifteen points spread
is a massive favorite for Alabama. I think if they
played Georgia again, they'd be around an eight and a
half point favorite. So George is the better team, Oklahoma
was the more deserving team. I also think some members
of the College Football Playoff Committee, even though they're not
supposed to, said yeah, do we really want to set

(43:20):
up another game that's a rematch of the game that
we just saw. Well, maybe the answer should be yes.
Because the Alabama Georgia game on se On on CBS,
the SEC title game was the highest rated regular season
college football game in seven years. It's the highest rated

(43:41):
college football game since Alabama and LSU played that nine
six overtime game in Tuscaloosa. Number one versus number two
been seven years. This was the second highest rated SEC
Title game going back all the way to when the
s EC started playing the championship game. That's a sign

(44:07):
that people tune in for George Obama. George Obama National
Championship Game also was a ratings winner for ESPN last year.
That's CBS deal. By the way, if you haven't read
my article about it you like sports media and business.
CBS paid just three point four million dollars to air

(44:27):
the SEC Championship game this year. To put that into perspective,
ESPN pays over a hundred million dollars for every Monday
Night football game, good, bad, and different, crappy, whatever, it is,
over a hundred million dollars. It's wild Terry and Alabama Terry.
What's up? Hey? Uh Clay, I say, I enjoyed listen

(44:50):
to your show, and I want to say a gold
jailer you were you would right. That was a great
performance that Jalen did. And my my thing is, h
uh yeah, I think they got the right for I mean,
I wouldn't have had any beef there to put Georgia in,
but it would have been fair to Alabama. I think
if they had to turn around and play Georgia again,
I said, like I said, Alabama is the number one seed.

(45:14):
And I and and and and my other thing with
with with Clemson, I think they've been having a bye
week ever since the Texas A and them game. I
watched it a c C championship and that was ridiculous, man,
I mean Pittsburgh, I mean that's ridiculous, you know. And
and and it wouldn't have been and I think Notre
Dame should have been the number four team, and I
think Oklahoma should have been number three you know, uh,

(45:37):
you know, or either if you're gonna put Georgie and
put them in at number three and let them play
Clemsons so they can finally play somebody. And you know,
it's not it's not fair. I don't think it's fair.
You know that it's not. Everything is setting up for Clemson.
You know, they haven't played anybody since Texas and them
and and and and they should have with those day games,
you know, uh, and that's all I think. I think

(45:59):
that's a call. Thanks Terry down Alabama. Look, I think
that if we were trying to set it up so
that the best of the four played the worst of
the four, Alabama is clearly the best of the four.
They should be playing Notre Dame. If you want to
quibble with the seating, Alabama should be playing Notre Dame

(46:20):
and Clemson should be playing Oklahoma. That would be a
more fair approximation. Now Clemson is like an eleven or
twelve point favorite over Notre Dame. Clemson I think got
the best draw by far. I think Notre Dame is
significantly the weakest team of the four. I think Alabama,
if they got to play Notre Dame, it would be
just like what happened in the two thousand twelve National

(46:43):
Championship game when Alabama came out and got up thirty
five nothing. I think Notre Dame is a significantly weaker
opponent for Alabama than Oklahoma would be. I also think
that if you really wanted to fall us on best
and most deserving and everything else and just take the best,

(47:05):
that you probably would bump uh, Notre Dame before you
bump Oklahoma. Georgia, I think would wax Notre Dame. I
think Georgia would beat Notre Dame by double figures. Now,
Notre Dame went twelve and oh, credit to Notre Dame
for getting to twelve and oh, but I feel like
Notre Dame is somewhat of a paper tiger. We'll see

(47:26):
what happens when Clemson plays against him, because I do
agree with the caller that Clemson hasn't played that difficult
of a schedule overall, and so I do think that
that is a factor here. All right, you know what
I'm gonna do. I'm gonna go ahead and set up
the phone lines here eight seven seven six three six nine.
I want everybody to load up the phone lines. I

(47:48):
want your reactions to Kareem Jackson Kareem Hunt. I keep
saying cream Kareem Jackson in my head. This is what
happens if you start to get old, you start to
mix all names anybody else. This is just me Like,
there's so many people whose names in the world of
sports have been out there that are kind of in
your head that when you have like a little bit

(48:10):
of an uncommon name, like uh like, I'll give you
an example. Kareem Jackson for some reason, is in my
head over instead of Kareem Hunt, and I can't shake it.
So I'm gonna talk about Kareem Hunt, not Kareem Jackson.
I'm gonna talk about the decision that the Chiefs had.
What in the world the NFL is doing what I

(48:31):
thought when I saw the TMZ video. And I will
take your calls and your reactions. Eight seven seven six
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the Kareem Hunt story. When we come back, I will
walk you through that entire process. I'm gonna put on
my lawyer hat, and I will take your calls and

(48:52):
your questions. I want to be intelligent here as we
talk about this issue, because it's one that continues to
confront the NF fell over and over and over again,
and I think the NFL is blowing it. I think
the NFL has fundamentally failed in the way they handle
stories like these. And I'm gonna tell you why. Eight
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you treat you all right. Kareem Hunt to me is
an embodiment of our modern outrage culture. And there are
two things in our culture that I would change if
I could make wave a magic one. Two things in
particular that I have seen arise over the past couple
of years. Obviously, there's lots of things I would change

(51:50):
if I could change the Magic Way, what magic wine?
For instance, I wish nobody ever died. I wish nobody
ever got treated badly like There are lots of things
like Okay boom Let's way the Magic One, but things
that haven't risen in the past few years. I believe
there are two that have been incredibly detrimental to overall
American society. One is our national outrage culture. Everybody is

(52:17):
always looking to play the victim. They're always outraged, and
we give the person who is outraged far too much
attention and credibility. So starting here, Kareem Hunt ties directly
into our national outrage culture. Because people want to be
upset about things, and when something bad happens, they decide

(52:42):
that they are outraged and something has to be done. Okay,
And on top of that, the NFL has played in
substantially into our national outrage culture by putting into place
their own investigative body, their own investigat of arm, and
starting to punish players over the last decade for things

(53:04):
that have nothing to do with football. I have been
on this soapbox for a decade now, and very few
people have climbed up on top of it with me.
But I have been screaming this from the rooftops from
the moment it began. The NFL shouldn't be doing investigations.
The NFL's job is not to conduct criminal inquiries into

(53:29):
off the field things that have nothing to do with
the NFL. And I don't understand why Roger Goodell and
the NFL is too stupid to understand this. And I
also don't understand why the NFL Players Association is such
a collection of nincompoops that none of them have stood

(53:50):
up and said, you can't do this, Roger Goodell and
the NFL. Now, I don't think it's smart when the
NFL spends months, if not years, investigating whether Tom Brady
deflated footballs, but at least that directly connects to on
the field behavior. The NFL's job should be to legislate

(54:15):
and provide rules for behavior that either takes place on
the field or is directly connected to on the field behavior.
If you want to drug test players for h g
H and steroids and everything else, I totally think that
makes sense. If you want to drug test players, I

(54:35):
think that the for for non performance enhancing drugs. I
think the NFL Players Association are being incompoops for allowing it,
but at least they can arguably say that directly impacts
be on the field performance of players. There's no way
imaginable that the NFL should be in the business of

(54:58):
conducting investor agations into off field behavior. I've got a
crazy idea. If you aren't in jail or prison, you
should be eligible to play in the NFL. Now, if
individual teams don't want to employ you, that's another story entirely.
But the NFL and Roger Goodell made a disastrous decision

(55:21):
when they decided that Roger Goodell was going to be judge,
jury and executioner and punish players entirely for off the
field related incidents. Because what it did was open up
situations like these, Because the number one response that people
have when this Kareem Hunt video went public is gonna

(55:41):
be why didn't the NFL see it? Why didn't the
NFL conduct a more serious investigation? The NFL should say
in this next collective bargaining agreement, if they were intelligent
at all, and the players should agree to it too,
we're out of the investigation business. If there is a
punishment levied by the criminal justice system, the NFL could

(56:03):
easily follow the findings of the criminal justice system and
also extract their pound of flesh if they believe they
need to issue their own punishments. But the NFL does
not need to be investigating every single allegation that's made
about every single player. I thought they got the Ezekiel
Elliott suspension wrong. The evidence did not support Ezekiel Elliott

(56:27):
being suspended for six games. I think that by and large,
they have done a very poor job of conducting investigations
into criminal matters. Why have they done a poor job because,
and this is me putting on my lawyer hat, it's
very hard to do. It's hard to conduct a really
thorough criminal investigation. Ask anybody who's ever been a police officer,

(56:52):
Ask anybody who's ever been a d A. Ask anybody
who's ever been a criminal defense attorney, Ask anybody who's
ever been involved in the criminal justice system at all,
and they will tell you this is a difficult thing
to undertake, even for our state or federal governments, And
even if they have complete subpoena power and they can
threaten people with putting them in jail if they don't

(57:15):
comply with the investigation, it's hard to do. So this
idea that the NFL is just gonna waltz in and
suddenly do a better job than all of our national
investigative arms in the criminal justice system is insanely stupid.
And the fact that people expect that they should be
able to do it, and also that they expect that

(57:36):
the NFL should be in this business at all, is
also insanely stupid, and it really drives me insane. And
this is evidence. If you listened to an hour one
I said, ultimately, when you were paid lots of money,
you are paid for your judgment. This, to me is
clear evidence that Roger Goodell is overpaid in his job.
Because somebody would have set down and talked about him

(57:58):
a decade ago about what a bad decision this was
that he was putting in place the NFL Personal Conduct Policy.
I don't think it's a coincidence that Roger Goodell is
isn't an attorney and that he made the decision to
put into place this policy. I think and a reasonably
intelligent lawyer would have seen the calamity that this was

(58:18):
going to create for the NFL, and that it was
bad for the NFL's brand and their overall shield. Because now,
and I can't impress this upon you enough, every time
an NFL player gets in trouble off the field, do
you know what the first response from most fans is,
what's the NFL gonna do about this? That's a seismic
shift in the way that fans and the public and

(58:40):
the media thought about off field misbehavior Back in the day.
When ray Carruth got arrested for murder, nobody was thinking,
what's the NFL gonna do about this? When ray Lewis
got arrested and charged with murder, nobody was thinking, what's
the NFL gonna do about this? That's beat because the

(59:00):
NFL wasn't in the criminal justice system At the time,
fans understood that sometimes players misbehaved and that that wasn't
the NFL's job to legislate. It wasn't the NFL's job
to send out suspensions for off the field related behavior.
And then Roger Goodell made at the NFL's job and

(59:22):
even dumber. Every other major professional sports league in America
followed Roger Goodell in the NFL right off the cliff.
Don't believe me. Major League Baseball gets base baseball player
gets accused of domestic violence. What's the first thing that happens.
People want to know how many games is he gonna
get suspended from baseball? Not what's the criminal justice system
gonna do? How many games are you gonna get suspended?

(59:44):
I said this back when ray Rice happened. Ray Rice
video comes out, ray Rice's career is over as an
NFL player. Nobody asked the question, why did the State
of New Jersey let ray Rice off with probation when
they had a video of him knocking out his fiance.
Nobody Nobody focused on the lenient treatment from the criminal

(01:00:09):
justice system based on the fact that ray Rice had
a great attorney and all he got was probation for
knocking out his fiance on a video. Nobody said around
and said, why did Adrian Peterson get such lenient treatment
when he beat the crap out of his kid and
got charged with child abuse? You know what? Everybody immediately said, what?

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Why did the NFL do what they did? Very few
people are asking in the Kareem Hunt story, what happened
on this criminal investigation into his behavior with this woman?
Almost everyone is asking, how did the Kansas City chiefs
not see this? How did the NFL not investigate this?
Why is the NFL done such a crappy job of

(01:00:54):
this investigation? That's what everybody's asking, And I think it's
a very valid question that should be asked in the
criminal justice context. It should never be asked about the NFL.
I'm gonna take your calls on it. We're gonna play you.
Kareem Hunt sitting down for an interview with the SPNs

(01:01:15):
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All this ties in the NFL's response, I think is
a response to outrage culture. I think it's a response
to outrage culture, which is driven very much by social media,
which is perpetually skipping from one outrage to another. Here's
the solution to outrage culture. Just ignore it. I gotta

(01:03:11):
give the Washington Redskins some credit here. I have seen
so many different organizations in public figures. As soon as
people start to complain, they immediately apologize. Never apologize. Make
a decision, stick to it, and roll with it. If
people don't like your decision, then deal with it. The

(01:03:35):
Washington Redskins decided to sign Reuben Foster, not a decision
I would have made. But once you have made your decision,
handle the fact that a lot of people might disagree
with it, and then except that it's only going to
take about twenty four hours of people being angry, and
then they'll move on to the next thing. It isn't

(01:03:57):
a long range danger. Outrage culture isn't real. It's social
media driven and it lasts for about twenty four hours
and then it's gone. And if you just have the
balls to stand up to it and say, you know what,
I understand. You disagree with our decision. Everybody doesn't agree

(01:04:17):
with every decision that's made every day in America. Don't
be onto the next thing. This is, honestly, to the
extent that he has any genius at all, Donald Trump's
genius throw so much outrage at people that they can't
even keep up. People are still talking about Hillary Clinton's
emails years after the email situation because she did so

(01:04:40):
few controversial things by and large, that the one controversy
that she had she couldn't escape. Donald Trump's got like
a billion controversies every single week. I don't know what
the controversy of today will be. There'll be one, and
then there'll be another controversy on Tuesday, another one on Wednesday.

(01:05:01):
And people can't keep up with all the controversy. So
it's hard for people to even figure out what's big
and what's small and what they should be outraged about.
That's all the NFL has to do. Just wait it out.
They people move on. Roger Goodell fed into outrage culture
by creating the Personal Conduct Policy. By the way, the

(01:05:23):
other thing I would change his identity politics. Outrage culture
and identity politics, the combination of the two is the
worst thing that exists in America today. I'm outraged because
I'm a transgender dwarf lesbian, and as a transgender dwarf lesbian,
I believe, oh God, just just get out of here,
all right. This idea that everybody's got to preface every

(01:05:46):
one of their opinions by saying as a blank, blank blank,
as a transgender dwarf lesbian. I believe, why do I
need to know that you're a transgender, a dwarf and
a lesbian. Just tell me what you think, and I
can decide whether or not I agree or disagree with
your argument. I don't need you to preface your opinion
by giving me your identity as if it gives some

(01:06:06):
validity to your opinion over and above that opinion. Drives
me crazy that the NFL has played into this outrage
culture and created a huge mess for all of sports.
When sports league shouldn't be in the business of investigating
criminal behavior. Ever, that's not their job. It isn't the

(01:06:27):
job of the league's or the teams to investigate players
for misbehavior off the field that has nothing to do
with their jobs and then suspend them based on it.
It's one of the dumbest decisions I've ever seen any
pro sports leagues make. Roger Goodell made the decision. Everybody
else followed him off the bridge. He jumped, everybody else jumped,

(01:06:48):
and they're all drowning. Um. All right, we got audio
of Kareem Hunt and his interview. I want to play
this for you because I bet a lot of you
missed it. This aired in the pre game, I believe
the ESPN yesterday, right before kickoff. Here's Kareem Hunt addressing
the video of him shoving and kicking a woman in

(01:07:09):
a hotel room. Uh, in a hotel room hallway. Here's
what Kareem Hunt had to say. It was just a
long night, and to be exact, it don't really matter
what happened. I wasn't the wrong. I could have took
responsibility and you know, made the right decision to you know,
find a way to de escalate the whole situation. It

(01:07:30):
was definitely some things that were said and did that
I did not like. And that's not the excuse. It's
not I'm that person in that video did not deserve that.
I didn't mean to hurt anybody or any anything like that.
And it's really tough. It's tough because, like I feel

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like I let a lot of people down, and I
just really wanna, you know, apologize to everybody, the chiefs organization,
in my family and close friends. How much do you
regret what happened being in that position at all? Or
is it more that you regret that you didn't tell
the truth about what happened, or do you regret that
it came out that it was on video. I don't

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regret the entire thing. Everything. I regret the entire thing.
And I'm gonna take the time to, like I said,
better myself and learn from this, get some help if needed,
talk to people, and just really, you know, take this
really serious. Has the NFL ever questioned you about that incident?

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No they have not. Did they ever ask you to
to talk about that incident? No they have not. Alright,
so the NFL did not investigate that incident. Because they
didn't know what happened. They hadn't seen the video. Again,
the NFL shouldn't be the focal point here. I think

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the question should be why was Kareem Hunt not charged
with the crime? Is it because based on that video
there isn't beyond a reasonable doubt evidence that he committed
a crime. I would love to hear from the prosecutors
who investigated this case and had viewed the video open
phone lines here eight seven seven, six three six nine.
I don't believe the NFL should be in the investigative business.

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I also believe this. I think you deserve, if you
are talented at a job, a second, third, maybe even
a fourth chance. I'm not the guy who says you
never deserve another chance if a team believes in you
and believes you are worth uh the the the employment.
And I don't believe that Kareem Hunt should necessarily be

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in the crosshairs of an NFL investigation. I think if
the criminal justice system decided that he was not culpable,
that they were not going to charge him because they
didn't believe they could get get a conviction, then I
would like to hear from the prosecutors the d a's
who reviewed all this footage here why they said that?
And and I think individual NFL teams could make a

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decision about whether or not they want to sign Kareem Hunt.
All right, let me go to your calls. I think
we got a bunch of them lined up eight seven
seven six three six nine. I believe Dave in Newport Beach,
California's at first, Dave, what's up? Hey? How you doing play?
Can you hear me? Okay? Hey, man, First of all,
I gotta give you props. Two years ago I turned

(01:10:24):
my radio on three thirty in the morning, and you're
lining all these guys, these haters to call you, and
you said I'll be here in two years, three years,
four years, five years, bring him. And I never heard
anything quite like it. And I just want to say, dude,
I'm I'm stoked for I love your show and I
believed in you. Then I believe in you. Now. That's amazing. Man.
Those haters can go, you know, they can go do whatever.

(01:10:45):
They appreciate that. I appreciate that. Yes, that was amazing. Anyways,
um goodell, yeah, I'm with you. I'm with you. I mean,
he doesn't even they don't even have parameters on how
many games are going to suspend? Somebody winston three games
equal six games. I mean, how can they investigate if
they don't even have parameters set, let alone even investigate.

(01:11:06):
I'm with you on that. So, UM, I just don't know,
uh what good Dell is doing? What is he doing?
I think I think he's made again. I think he
bent to outrage culture. I think the worst thing you
can do is been the need to outrage culture. People
are perpetually outraged in America today. Every little thing that happens,

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there's an outrage, and people try to put out the
fire of outrage. I would suggest something else. Most of
the time ignore it. People have always been upset. Bending
the need to outrage every single time just propagates a
furtherance of outrage culture. I talk every day for three
hours on my show at this then I do additional
thirty minutes on Periscope and Facebook. Then I do an

(01:11:52):
additional hour on television. I talk every day, almost five
hours a day of live audio. How many times I've
ever apologize for anything I've said or written? Zero? You
know why, because if I say it, I tend to
mean it. And you know what, happens when you don't apologize.
People learn that you're not gonna bend the need of
outrage culture and that it doesn't work on you, and

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they move on to other people who were more pussy willows.
And when I went on CNN, I said, I love
the First amendmentent boobs, you know, I mean, people wanted
me to apologize for what I said. I said, what
do you want me to apologize for? I'm not gonna
say I don't like boobs. I mean, I mean, no
why I'm not gonna say I don't respect the First
Amendment as the most important right that we have in America.
I said what I meant. I was joking. I was

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having fun with it. But you want me to apologize.
You want me to apologize to c ann that loser
who was hosting that show, who pretended to get outrage
to grab your pearls and fainted back onto the couch.
Hell no, my audience grew substantially. You know why, because
there's a lot of you out there that are sick
of fake apologies to fake outrage. I don't play that game.

(01:12:58):
I don't think the NFL should play that game. I
think fake outrage culture is about everything that sports isn't.
I think it's high time that the league's, the players,
everybody stopped bending the knee to fake outrage every single
time it happens. And I think that was the impetus
behind the NFL Personal Conduct policy that Roger Roger Goodell implemented,

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go to the OutKick v I P line Chad in Tennessee.
What's up? Chad U? One of them? I'll be brief one.
I'll make three points. One. The way the social media
works in the outreach people have is people even get
offended when you try to objectively just talk about cream
Hunt in the situation that happened with this young lady.

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Just because you're talking about it doesn't mean that you
can done something or that you should never ye. Maybe
let me say, you should never hit a woman or
a girl, right, you should. A man should never hit
a woman, kick a woman, shove a woman, do any
of those things. Right. But because it happens doesn't mean

(01:14:47):
that I think Kareem Hunt should never be able to
play in the NFL. Again, I would apply the same
standard for him that I would every player. Does your
talent exceed your problems? And I all so don't believe
that the NFL should be investigating this. I'm more curious
about why the criminal justice system didn't bring any charges

(01:15:08):
here than I am why the NFL didn't investigate it, right,
And that's point too. The d A in Cleveland, no
charges were filled. Did they did they interview everybody? Did
did they review the video tape. I mean, there are
a lot of questions that may still be kind of
right there that you don't have all the answers to.
But no charges were filed. Well, then the NFL has

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to then come back and say, oh gosh, n eight
nine months later we reviewed the tape. We saw the tape,
and this young man's life is over. I mean, I
do believe someone should get a second chance. You look
at the Roof and Foster situation. There's a pattern there.
I think that's more agreed. Just than Kareem who may
have been intoxicated. There could have been other factors that

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led to this one time incident. So but that's that.
And then the third point you made about CNN and
the boobs and brick ball and all that, it is
the hypocrisy of the fact that when she was on
the show, she was saying hold hold on, hold on,
just as a national show with a female host. It
wasn't just a host. It wouldn't matter if you were
on the Anderson Cooper Show, Don Lemons show, on a

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CNN show. The show is the show. You said what
you said, and you stood behind it. But then she
comes in after and many shows after and talks about
the president's tennis and just laughs about anything and everything,
and that's okay, but the moral outrage was at that moment.
To your point, you were to to apologize, and I'm
glad that you didn't because you stood up to it. Yeah,

(01:16:32):
I appreciate the call. Look, I tried. I talked to
men and women the exact same way. People say, Oh,
you know, Clay Travis, he's sexist. He doesn't treat women differently.
That's that's what she wanted me to do. On the
television show. She said, as a female host, as a woman,
how could you talk to me like? I talked to
you the same way that I would talk to a man.
That's a very definition of equality, Like I don't tiptoe

(01:16:53):
up to my opinion because you're a woman. I treat
you the exact same as I would a man. And
then people, well I want special treatment because I'm a woman.
Now let's treat you the same. I'll kick v I
p line Dan in New Jersey, Dan, what's up, hey, Clay,
how's it going? Excellent? So, Um, I just wanted to

(01:17:15):
get your take as to how much you think Tyreek
Hill being on the roster has um that that had
any impact on on the chief's decision because to me,
it seems like what Tyreek Bill, what Tyreek Hill did
and his was his incident in college, was way more
egregious than Kareem haunts. And I think that you know,
the Chiefs had to you know, had to come down

(01:17:36):
hard on Kareem Hant or you know, they would have
been you know, absolutely blessed on. You know, every national
outlet is being a team that doesn't care about domestic violence.
And do you think it was just because Kareem Hunt
was on video? And again it seems like the NFL
only cares um when these incidents are on video. Or again,
maybe it's just Tyreek talent is less replaceable than Kareem

(01:18:00):
Hunt's talent. You know, we've seen, um, you know a
lot of talk about the running back position that it's
you know from Levy on Beldos, James Conner. You know,
it seems like you could just plug him in and
any running back will do uh, we'll do great. But
you know, other positions don't get Maybe that that that's
you know, you got Tyreek Hill, Reuben Foster, Greg Hardy

(01:18:21):
against second chances in other places. Um, she was like,
maybe you know Kareem Hunt, Ray writes a little bit
of a pattern there. Do you think any of that
has to come into play? Yeah, that's a good question.
Um and I do think Tyreek Hill factors in. If
you're not familiar with the story, Tyreek Hill was kicked
out of Oklahoma State because he choked and punched his

(01:18:41):
pregnant girlfriend. Um and Uh, that is obviously infinitely more
egregious as wrongdoings are assessed than the video of Kareem Hunt.
But it's on video. If Tyreek Hill were on video
choking and punching his pregnant fiance, I think our girlfriend

(01:19:03):
at the time, then he would never play in the
NFL again. And I think that speaks to a certain
extent on our failures as as intelligent humans. When someone
pleads guilty to something, it means that they did it right.
When you plead guilty to choking and punching your pregnant

(01:19:25):
girlfriend like Tyree Tyreek Hill did, then the fact that
we're okay with it because we don't see the video
is an indictment I think of us. If Ray Rice's
video never comes out, he continues to play in the NFL.
If Kareem Hunt's video doesn't come out, then he continues
to play in the NFL too. It's only when we

(01:19:45):
see it. Well, when you have a guy plead guilty
to a crime, he's acknowledging that he did it. So
why do we feel like, oh, Tyreek Hill is okay
because we didn't see the video versus Kareem Hunt, who
we did see the video, but it's a much less
significant wrongdoing than what Tyree Hill did. It's an excellent question.

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(01:20:27):
you are having a fantastic Monday morning wherever you might
be across the country. We're taking your calls. We're talking
about the Kareem Hunt story and incident that emerged on
Friday afternoon, the video released by TMZ. But for those
of you who are waking up across the West Coast
or waking up later on the East coast. UH. Two
big stories I think in particular coming out from the
NFL weekend teams that went on the road, and we're

(01:20:50):
trying to establish that they were legitimate threats to not
only make the playoffs, but to make the playoffs and
make a run once they got there. The Minnesota Vikings
went on the road against the New England Patriots. The
Patriots dominated them, took control of that game uh late
and never really felt like the Patriot You never really
felt like the Patriots are gonna lose that game. The

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Vikings now facing a must win game on the road
against the Seattle Seahawks as they fall to six five
and one. On the flip side last night, maybe happened
after you went to bed, maybe even went to bed
at halftime, because it was a twenty three to seven
lead for the Pittsburgh Steelers and it looked like the
Steelers had established dominance in that game. Then the Chargers

(01:21:35):
came roaring back. Incredible performance down the stretch by the
Chargers thirty three thirty. The Chargers get the win and
look like a legitimate contender for both the a f
C West and also potentially if things keep rolling for
maybe Super Bowl, maybe the a f C multi rounds
in the playoffs at a minimum will see. But the

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Chargers looked phenomenal. They passed their test. The Vikings sadly
did not. In the college football universe, the College Football
Playoff Committee makes the safe political move. They take Alabama, Clemson,
and Notre Dame, which was not a difficult threesome. They
hadn't lost a game to thirteen and oh's and a
twelve and oh and then for the fourth spot, they

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take Oklahoma over Georgia. Why did they do so? I
submit it was because they took the team that was
most deserving over the team in Georgia that was better.
That's the tension that comes in the college football Playoff committee.
Do you take the better team or do you take
the more deserving team. I think Georgia is the better team.

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I think they would beat Oklahoma more times than not
on a neutral field. But I think Georgia is not
the more deserving team. That's Oklahoma, which went twelve and one,
only lost one game all season, a three point neutral
site lost to Texas, which Oklahoma erased in the Big
Twelve champion and Ship games. So that is where we

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are with the playoff. Alabama will play against Oklahoma. They're
around a fourteen and a half point favorite on the
road neutral site game in Miami. And Clemson will play
against Notre Dame in Jerry World down in Dallas. Clemson
around a twelve point favorite. If you didn't know, Kareem
Hunt has been released by the Kansas City Chiefs. The

(01:23:23):
Chiefs went out to Oakland and gotta win. Uh. Yesterday
the Chiefs are sitting at ten and two with four
games to play. Did not seem to show any l
effects so far over Kareem Hunt. Kareem Hunt set down
for an interview with Lisa Salters. We've played that audio
for you. Encourage you to go grab the podcast. Make
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(01:23:44):
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We're gonna talk with Alex Marvez about everything that happened
in the NFL here in the next segment. But First,

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let me go ahead and roll through your calls up first,
Charlie and Dayton reacting to Kareem Hunt your thoughts, Hey,
clay Man, I just want to say I love the
show Man I listened to every single morning. Um, I
want to give it. I want to give a trudas
to two Chiefs fans. I don't think you guys really
realize how good you have it, because I am rolling

(01:24:28):
through Cincinnati right now. I'm a Bengals fan, and you
have franchise realizes that player is not greater than the team.
And sometimes you gotta make a decision like that. And
all you gotta do is look at my franchise, the Bengals, Uh,
you know, going back to Chris Henry and Vintez and

(01:24:51):
pac Man Jones, I mean all these guys and coach
Marvin Lewis. I mean, the Packers just fired McCarthy. They've
played in four FC championships and one of Super Bowl
and he's gone, yeah, and we can't even we did
not turn the game off yesterday. So hey, you know,
Chief fans, if you're down about that, hey, at least
you've got a franchise that cares have a god with Clay. Yeah,

(01:25:14):
I appreciate it. By the way, you didn't even mention
Joe Mixon, who is on tape. You're right, I mean
Joe Joe Mix in Oklahoma, former star running back, is
on tape knocking out a tiny girl on video broker
jaw in multiple places. I mean, delivered a devastating blow
to her and the Chiefs. I mean the Bengals drafted

(01:25:36):
him in the second round. My buddy and I called
you about that. I was like, what are we doing?
We don't even develop running backs, so what are we doing? Yeah,
thanks for the call. There are coaches. When you talk
to coaches about recruiting, they say one of the things
that coaches always preaches you recruit your your problems. And

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it's a simple way, like you can tell when a
guy who has got issues is coming into your program
and whether or not they will fit in your locker room.
The Bengals, it seems to me, take a lot of
guys with risks, and Marvin Lewis never won a playoff
game there. Moreover, sometimes their discipline falls apart, like it

(01:26:20):
did at the end of the game. I think it
was against the Steelers a couple of years ago, right,
when the Bengals had that game won and then they
just fell apart. It happens over and over again. Discipline
when you need it the most in football has fallen
apart for the Bengals. It's a great point. By the way,
we haven't spent a lot of time talking about Mike
McCarthy being fired. I'm sure we will later in the
week kind of unpacked that story a little bit, but

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there's so many other bigger stories, I think, frankly, but
it is a great point about Mike McCarthy getting fired,
given despite all the success he's had with the Packers
and Marvin Lewis like has a coaching job for life.
It doesn't seem to matter what he does from one
moment to the next. Uh, Eddie in Texas? What's up, Eddie?
Good morning, sir? Hey, what's shaking? Hey? Uh? Good dell

(01:27:03):
Is I totally agree with you? So I'm sorry. A
good deal is f os full of blank? Uh? In all?
I mean, he's P T. Barnum. I mean it's unbelievable.
You know. I know you're a lawyer and I live
in Uh. I grew up in Houston, Texas. And if
I'm charged with something I want the judicial system to
take my case and determine if I'm guilty, and then,

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of course we all know supposed to be innocent until
proven guilty, and that's what should take place, and a
person in a professional sporting league should not be handling
my funior. I totally agree with you that, But we
all know when it gets right down to the bottom line,
that has has something to do with greed and money

(01:27:49):
on and everybody is guilty of that, everybody, the NFL,
the team's everybody and so. But I think it's, like
you said earlier, that's just our society. We get all
our painting, been a lot about everything. Hey, there was
a radio station I heard somewhere this morning that's not
playing baby it's Cold Outside Christmas Carol because of the

(01:28:09):
WE movement or something. By the way, file that away.
Let's make sure we play baby It's Cold Outside when
we come back. I did hear that. That's a controversy now,
which is funny if you hear any lyrics and basically
any popular song, like every every single rap song is
a billion times just about more offensive than Baby It's

(01:28:30):
Cold Outside. The amount of outrage that is so fake
in this country today has never been higher Francisco in California.
What's up morning for some caller hood, Thanks you for
taking my call. Um. I agree with you, know, with
your point in regards to not UH conducting investigations the
NFL that should not be in that in that business

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at all, conducting criminal investigations. However, I do think that UM,
individuals should be had accountable once they you know, once
they a proved, and once UH since because I think
part of that is because you've I've been active to
the military for the last fifteen years and I UM,
I'm i'm a held accountable into the So anything that
I do all duty has consequences in my professional career.

(01:29:13):
So there's there's no doubt about that. But hold on
a second. There's a difference between behaving inappropriately and behaving
in a criminal fashion, right. I think that you can
certainly say that Kareem Hunt has behaved inappropriately in that video.
But what I would like to hear, and we still
haven't heard, is the d A said they looked into

(01:29:34):
this case and they decided not to press charges. Why
did they do that? And then you can be let
go if your employer decides that you behaved inappropriately. So
if that video comes out in the Kansas City chiefs
see it and they say, you know what, we can't
continue to employ somebody that was behaving in this manner,
even if it's not criminal conduct, I'm perfectly fine with

(01:29:56):
them making the decision they don't want to employ Kareem
Hunt anymore. What I am saying is it seems to
me that the story has already shifted from what did
Kareem Hunt do? To why did the NFL not conduct
an investigation into this incident and determine what Kareem Hunt
had done? And my argument here is just the NFL

(01:30:18):
shouldn't be in the investigative business, right, And so that
is my I think Roger Goodell has set the awful
precedent because now whenever an NFL player misbehaves or behaves inappropriately,
the first thing that people think is, yes, what is
Roger Goodell doing? And I'll say you this when this

(01:30:38):
this really crystallized for me when Adrian Peterson got accused
of child abuse and the first thought was not, oh,
what's the state of Texas gonna do about this Adrian
Peterson child abuse charge? Which was awful, and the photos
were brutal and everything else. It was what is the
NFL gonna do about Adrian Peterson committing child old abuse?

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And I think what has happened is Roger Goodell's attempt
to protect the NFL has backfired and blown up in
his face such that every single time an NFL player
gets in trouble now, the first thought is not, oh,
let's let the criminal justice system handle this and figure
out what happened. It is what is the NFL gonna do?

(01:31:20):
Why didn't the NFL do more all of those things
dealing completely with criminal potential misconduct? Okay, and thanks for
the service, by the way, fifteen years and look, I
get it. I teach my kids every day you have
to be accountable for your own actions. Every individual is
responsible for himself. My point here, I think is an

(01:31:40):
important one. It is that the NFL should not be
conducting a criminal investigation. Think about this. If you worked
at Walmart, is Walmart conducting a criminal investigation into your behavior? Uh?
If you were accused of drunken driving, you say no.

(01:32:02):
Walmart waits for the criminal justice system to make a decision,
and then they might fire you if you got a
d U I or they might fire you if you
got arrested for a d u I and they found
out about it, even if you later beat those charges.
That's Walmart's right, And I'm just using Walmart as an example,
but you would think it was ludicrous if Walmart hired
an investigator and while the criminal justice system was investigating

(01:32:26):
your case, Walmart was also investigating you for criminal for
misconduct too. And I'm using Walmart. It could be Ups,
it could be FedEx, it could be anywhere. Just about
every business in America would say it's not our job
to conduct a criminal investigation. We're gonna wait and let
the criminal investigation take place, and then we'll make a decision,

(01:32:49):
or maybe you will make a decision if they even
start the criminal investigation. Right, your standard can well be, hey,
if you're being investigated for felony domestic abuse, we don't
want you to be a member of our team anymore.
That's certainly a standard you could apply. But it's all
predicated on the criminal justice system conducting an investigation, not

(01:33:10):
the NFL. Again, I think this is uh. This makes
even more sense for anybody who's ever worked in the
criminal justice system. It's hard. I used to do sexual
harassment investigations. This idea that it's easy to do investigations
and figure out what happened is a total fallacy. There

(01:33:31):
are multiple different angles to every story. You sit across
the table from somebody, I think we've been seduced by
television into believing, Oh, it's easy to tell who's lying
and easy to tell who's telling the truth. It's not.
It's almost impossible even for highly trained, highly skilled fact finders.
So why do we think that the NFL is just

(01:33:52):
gonna parachute into a case that the criminal justice system
determined was not worthy of prosecution because they didn't believe
they to get a conviction, And the NFL is gonna
parachute in there and suddenly be able to see with
crystal clear clarity exactly what happened. It's a joke. It's absurd.
Jordan's in North Carolina. What's up, Yeah, Clay, I appreciate

(01:34:14):
you taking my phone call. Um. I'm just kind of
look at this from Roger Goodale's perspective, and here I'm
in charge of a you know, a multi billion dollar company,
and my company's on TV every Sunday, and my product
is out there every Sunday and there's billion billions of
women who are out there, um, watching my product on

(01:34:36):
the field, and they see one of their you know,
maybe they're fans or someone. I'm not their fans, I'm sorry,
but one of their football players do something such as
he did to another woman. Um. I think Roger Goodell
is not really thinking about the due process of law.
I think he's just looking at hey, I've got to
protect my product. Yeah, here's the problem. Yeah, here's the problem. Though.

(01:35:00):
Sometimes the cases where there is video are rare. Right.
I appreciate the call of Jordan, and I think you're right.
I think Roger Goodell is trying to protect his product.
But the cases where there's video is rare, and there
are often cases where things are just not true. And
I said this back when the NFL implemented the Personal
Conduct policy. What if instead of the Duke Lacrosse team,

(01:35:23):
that had been a bunch of members of an NFL
franchise that were accused of raping a stripper. There would
have been the same demand and outrage and demand that
everybody act. And I think if you apply the Duke
Lacrosse standard to the NFL's Personal Conduct policy, it's highly

(01:35:45):
likely that every single player would have been suspended and
released from the team for the allegations that were made
in the Duke Lacrosse case. That's only like a decade ago.
And what do we find out in Duke Lacrosse It
was a hundred percent made up. None of it was true.
It was all wies. What if the NFL had a

(01:36:07):
similar case to Duke Lacrosse. They suspend a dozen NFL players,
a team craters, it's a huge chaos and controversy, and
then it's later determined that the players did nothing wrong
and it was a a lie. That was our criminal

(01:36:27):
justice system investigating that case, and they missed everything and failed.
Why do we think that the NFL would have been
able to conduct an investigation in that case and do
a better job. I would submit to you that if
the Duke Lacrosse case had instead been the Dallas Cowboy case,

(01:36:49):
that under existing precedent, the NFL would suspend all those players,
probably tanked that entire team season, and then later on
we're going to find out that they did nothing wrong
and all those guys names have been dragged through the mud,
and the NFL would owe them. I think hundreds of

(01:37:09):
millions of dollars in payments for the way that they
had wronged them, just like all of those Duke lacrosse
players got paid by Duke and all the other individuals
involved in that case. Final call. Then we're gonna talk
with Alex Marvez Victor in l A. What's that Victor?
Thanks for taking my Callum? Love this show. Complete show.

(01:37:31):
That's what I love about the show. It's complete, cover
so many things, really good show. My question is at
this point, with this situation, uh, if we were to
if we were to do things that were you're kind
of suggesting, is we were to let if the NFL
was to let the due process take place and how

(01:37:52):
their players play all the way through it, what do
you feel the media and the social media backlash would be.
What would the response be if he just went ahead
and took it that way? Do you think it would
be grand? How did you feel that would play out? Thank, Yeah,
it's a good question. It's a good question. I think
that what would happen is the teams would probably feel

(01:38:13):
obligated to release the players in a situation like this
where there is video. Now, if the allegation came out
against Kareem Hunt and there was never any video, then
I think the Chiefs probably could continue to play him, right,
I mean we react differently when we see video. Ray
Rice is still not in the league because he's on
video knocking somebody out. And that's why we had a

(01:38:35):
good call earlier who said, wait a minute, Tyreek Hill
pled guilty to choking and punching his pregnant wife. If
that were on video, I doubt that Tyreek Hill would
have ever been drafted, and I doubt that he would
have ever played in the NFL because I think teams
would have said, there's no way we're going to draft

(01:38:55):
this guy who's on video choking and and uh and
punching his pregnant girlfriend. We're not going to take that
risk on him. He's a great player, but his off
the field risks, his problems would be too substantial. Now
maybe I'm wrong. Maybe because Tyreek Hill's incident happened in college,

(01:39:16):
he would have still been able to play in the NFL.
After all, Joe Mixon is on video knocking out that
girl who was also a student at Oklahoma, and the
Cincinnati Bengals drafted him in the second round. And the
argument that the Bengals made was, Look, this was a
dumb thing that he did, a criminal misconduct that he
did in college, and now we believe that he has

(01:39:40):
learned from it and he's not going to make that
mistake again. Maybe that's the response that would have played
out here. I think Kareem Hunt will eventually get resigned
by someone else, But I think the pressure on the
Kansas City Chiefs to release him in the wake of
that video was substantial, and I don't think that's that's

(01:40:00):
necessarily a wrong right. Every single team has the right
to make a decision about whether to continue to employ
somebody when they behave in an inappropriate fashion. What I'm
focused on more so is the NFL doesn't need to
be investigating this, and that's where all the people like,
there's gonna be a ton of focus all week long

(01:40:21):
on what did the NFL know, What did they do?
Why didn't they see it? My argument is the NFL
needs to readdress the NFL Personal Conduct Policy and decide
that they are no longer going to conduct investigations into
behavior like this. Roger Goodell got that idea wrong, and
if you were smart, he would acknowledge that he got
it wrong. In the next collective bargaining agreement and get

(01:40:44):
out of this if he wants to parachute in after
the criminal justice system takes an act and also punish
a player. Let's say that Kareem Hunt gets charged with
domestic violence and convicted of it. If he then wants
to parachute in and susp in for six games based
on that criminal justice investigation and what happened there, that's fine,

(01:41:05):
But the NFL does not need to be in the
investigative business. It's insanely stupid. We're gonna talk with up next,
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who he thinks is going to replace Mike McCarthy with
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and the Chargers. They missed her game winning field goal attempt,
but the Steelers were called offside. The Steelers blocked the
next attempt and they were called offside again. Then the
third attempt, Mike Badgeley nailed it from twenty nine yards
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went over Chicago thirty seven. The Rams win the NFC West.
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(01:45:19):
how stunned? Wre you? Mike McCarthy got fired. Not well,
stunned at the timing. Absolutely, in fact, I guess according
to ESPN, although they're they're sort of stats this morning,
you're a little bit shaky if you look at Trey
Windows Twitter account. But according to out of Schefter, this
is the first time that a Super Bowl winning head
coach has been fired in season since the guy and
I swear to God. Don McCaffrey I believe is his

(01:45:41):
name from the Nine Colts he got fired a couple
of years later. Yeah, I mean, usually you let the
guy run out the string, but listen, it's best best
for both parties in this way. You know, listen, McCarthy
knew the handwriting was on the wall, right, and he
probably wasn't going to be back, and almost certainly now
he's free to start assembling a staff, having a pretty
good idea to look at teams where he's, you know,
stily going to be interviewed for a head coaching physician,

(01:46:02):
be ready there and be ready to go. And for
the Packers it's the same thing. Hit the ground running.
Cleveland's going to be in competition for a head coach
as well, and of course, you know, try to get
that that Aaron Rodgers seal of approval on whoever comes
in and tries to update what had become, in my opinion,
of antiquated offense. Do we learn more about the Chargers
or the Steelers last night? Learn more about the Steelers,

(01:46:23):
in my opinion. And I'm still trying to figure out
some of the things. Look, listen, this team, very few
teams that they did a Charger. They found a way
to beat themselves play unbelievable, right, and listen, we can
complain about the officiating and listen that missing the false start,
I mean, if they fired a guy from missing one
earlier this year in another Chargers game, maybe this guy
should go as well. I mean that was a huge
play that led to a touchdown, and there was a

(01:46:44):
block in the back missed, you know, a really blatant one,
you know, on the punt return for a touchdown for them.
But you know, you look at what happens in the
second half. The play calling gets conservative. They've got linebackers
trying to cover Keenan Allen. The defense gets dashed, they
can't get any pressure. They give up eighty three rows
and yards in the second half compared to just two
in the first half. Look and for the Chargers, I mean,

(01:47:05):
you know, the narrative that a lot of us had was, well,
who have they beaten this year? I mean, yeah, they
beat Seattle, but you know they got fat and happy
off a lot of bad teams. They lost the Chiefs
in Week one. Well, now we really have to consider
this Chargers team extremely legitimate for showing grit, Yes, grit play.
I had to mention it on this show. Coming back
the way that they did in the second half, By
the way, the biggest collapse in Pittsburgh Stiller's history at home.

(01:47:25):
No time in the franchise's history have they held a
four teen plus point lead and lost. It's a wild
stat The playoffs as we come down the stretch. So
we will find out a little bit more tonight based
on how the NFC East is going to shake out,
and also potentially the wild card with what we see
happen between the Redskins and UH, the U and the
Philadelphia Eagles. But in the a f C UH it

(01:47:48):
appears that we should at minimum go ahead and pencil
in the l A Chargers for one wild card and
maybe they'll even end up contending for the a f
C West if they could go on the road in
a couple of weeks and win at Kansas City. So
I feel like there's five teams that we feel pretty
confident about, even the Steelers. I don't think that the
Ravens are gonna catch them given the tie breaks situation

(01:48:10):
and everything there. But there are right now five teams
I believe, battling for the final spot in the a
f C. I want to see who you think is
going to get it. Baltimos place right now, I mean
in the sixth spot at seven and five. Then you
got the Dolphins, the Colts, the Denver Broncos, and the
Tennessee Titans all at six and six. If one of

(01:48:30):
these teams gets to ten and six, I think they
get it. Who's got the best shot? Well, I mean
when we're looking at strength of schedule, I mean Denver
legitimately has a shot at this if the Dolphins can
upset New England on Sunday. And that isn't a stretch
as much as much as some people may think, just
because the Dolphins always play this team tough at home
and despite the fact that the Dolphins have to be
the directiest six and six team that we've seen in

(01:48:52):
some time, right, I mean, they they had a hundred
seventy five yards of offense yesterday, they gave up four
hundred fifteen yards. Josh Allen runs for a hundred five
Yet they keep turning the football over in Buffalo and
the Dolphins end up winning another game ugly. But if
they can get past New England, their schedule looks favorable,
you know. Baltimore Pittsburgh as far as scenarios, you know,
listen to the division title with Pittsburgh seven four and

(01:49:13):
one Baltimore seven and five. Good thing is no tie breaker.
There will know who it is, you know, so we'll
see because Pittsburgh doesn't have it necessarily easy down the
stretch also, but Indianapolis came crashing back to earth a bit.
I'm just not sure if that's a one week anomally
about a team feeling really good about itself or Jacksonville
just having, you know, one of those days, which I
don't think they're gonna have very many in the future.
And you can't trust Tennessee, right. I mean, kudos to

(01:49:34):
them for coming back against the Jets, but the Jets
of the Jets really is clay. It's really as wide
open as we've seen in a while. But I'm not
gonna underestimate this Ravens team, and I don't think that
their formula for success right now is sustainable over let's
say a sixteen game season. If you're gonna keep exposing
Lamar Jackson the big hits, he's eventually gonna get hurt.
He when it's a concussion protocol for a little bit
yesterday before coming out. But I just think that with

(01:49:55):
the way that they play defense, the way that they
shut down Matt Ryan at home and that Atlanta Belkins offense,
I just think the Ravens are legit and I have
to give them the edge heading toward the wild Card.
What do you think happens there with the Joe Flacco
Lamar Jackson drama, Well, I mean, it's gonna still be
Lamar's team until he screws up. I think that's you know, looking,
You've got to keep that in your back pocket, right,
There's gonna be at some point maybe this team needs

(01:50:18):
to pass the football on a more consistent basis, and
then at that point you start getting you know, Joe Flacco,
and maybe the calls, the clamoring comes for him. But look,
let's let's be real here. We all know where this
is going with Joe Flacco, and they are gonna have
to carry a lot of dead money if they get
rid of him after this season. They're gonna have to
carry twenty four million dollars in dead money split between

(01:50:40):
against their cap. But they are going to clear a
lot of money by getting rid of him next year
in terms of cap space itself, eighteen point five million
dollars becomes available. So you're really looking for the future
for Joe Flacco, but not Lamar Jackson's the guy for now.
And what you gotta do, listen, just try to get
through to the next day, and then in the offseason
you work on all the other things that Lamar Jackson
needs to get done. Believe it or not, he I
don't want to see. He has a speech impediment play,

(01:51:02):
but he's very difficult to understand when he's calling plays
in the huddle, and it was something that was a
ding on him. In the pre draft scouting process, they
had to simplify the playbook a little bit just so
people can understand what he's calling. He's getting over this,
he's working on it, and he's done a really nice
job since coming in. Obviously they're three and oh and
let's look at it like this too. With Flacco, the
Ravens were four and five with him as their starter

(01:51:23):
and on a three game losing streak when he got hurt.
They haven't lost since. This is Lamar Jackson's team until
further notice. The Giants beat the Bears. How nervous should
Bear fans be about this game? I know that I
know that Mr r Bisky is still not playing, but
that's a little bit of an ominous outcome, right, Well, yes,
and no, I mean, look it's I mean the thing
that was ominous to me was the fact that they

(01:51:43):
couldn't pressure a human statue and Eli Manning. I mean that,
you know, when you couldn't knock him off the spot,
and I know they get rid of the football quickly,
but to me that the performance by the defense I
thought was a little bit shaky offensively. You know, it's
Chase Daniel and I just think you have to chalk
it up to potentially play here and we don't you know,
I don't know Matteggie intimately, but it's his first year
as a head coach, and I think it's very easy
for a team that's experiencing newfound success like the Chicago

(01:52:06):
Bears to look past the New York Giants to Sunday
night football this coming week against the L A. Rams.
I tell you, I think we see a different Bears
team at home coming up against the Rams. Not saying
they win. Haven't dived into it that closely yet, but
the Rams are gonna be playing back to back trips
where they're going back and forth from the West Coast.
I just feel like they, you know, this might be
Chicago's time next week when Mr Rubisky returns, but hard
to judge them based upon having chased Annual as your start.

(01:52:28):
What happens with Kareem Hunt, I think he gets claimed
unless and played just a shot across the bow here.
I'm just gonna point this out, and maybe you're a
guy that knows the media world. Why is it that
only the NFL network is reporting that Kareem Hunt is
potentially being investigated or is being investigated for an altercation
with someone in June, apparently at a hotel where he

(01:52:49):
may have punched somebody. Different, different altercation, yes, a different altercation.
This was reported Sunday morning. I haven't seen anyone else
reported or confirm it, But I'm just wondering if the
NFL wants to try to get word out there to
freeze Kareem Hunt to make sure that no team claims him.
Wouldn't it be easy to disseminate that information potentially to
a media outlet such as your own, to potentially cause

(01:53:11):
teams to to shy away from from claiming Kareem Hunt,
because right now you claim him, you get him potentially
in six games. If it's a you know, just an
assault situation that's gone out here under the personal conduct policy.
If there's multiple altercations, then he's not probably not going
to be around. But listen, after the embarrassment that you
saw last week with Ruben Foster being claimed by the
Washington Redskins. And Ruben Foster is a shell of the

(01:53:32):
player that Kareem Hunt is. Why wouldn't a team with
a running back needy situation claimed Kareem Hunt. And I
know the bad publicity is why, in the video is why.
But you know what, NFL teams are so myopic when
it comes to this sort of thing. They just want
to win games. A lot of fans just want to
win games. By the way, Clay, if we heard of
the Washington Redskins losing a single sponsor since this happened,

(01:53:53):
had they lost anything since claiming Ruben Foster, it would
probably be the same thing, quite honestly, with Kareem Hunt,
who did something add not nearly apparently as bad as
Ruben Foster had done in the past, you know, according
to a whole litany of different things. So I'm just
saying I wouldn't be surprised if he has claimed today
just because it's it's a guy who's on a rookie contract,
who's a fabulous player, who should be able to rebuilt

(01:54:13):
in himself and get back in the NFL, And that
would happen today if he gets claimed be by four
pm Eastern time. Correct outstanding as always, Alex Marvez, We'll
talk to you next week, my man, Thank you. That's
Alex Marves. Final segment of the show will Unpat Kareem
Hunt also dive back into the playoffs and I'll play
you audio of a spectacular ending to an NFL game.

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the stretch of the NFL season here, um, I believe

(01:55:16):
a couple of things. One, we're gonna have a pretty
decent playoff race in the UH in the a f C.
I'm not sure what's gonna happen yet in the NFC,
But in the a f C there are about six
teams all competing for the exact same spot. And let
me go ahead and tell you that right now, it
felt like the Chargers last night basically locked up a

(01:55:36):
playoff spot. They're sitting at nine and three. If you
look at their schedule the rest of the way, it's
hard to see how they would lose every game remaining,
and that's effectively what the Chargers would have to do
not to make the playoffs. So I thought that was
a seismic win last night for the Chargers. They stamped
themselves in some ways I believe as a legitimate contender

(01:55:56):
to not just make the playoffs, but to make a
run in the playoff. When you go on the road
and you win against the Steelers, I understand blocking the
back should have been called, false starts should have been called.
Don't focus on those two individual plays. The fact of
the matter was the Chargers in the second half beat
the Steelers badly. That was not a close win. That's

(01:56:17):
one of the most impressive halves I've seen any team
put forth this season in the NFL. So the Chargers
have locked up. I believe one of the playoff spots
probably gonna be one wild card spot left UH in
the mix out there, UM, and they're gonna be several
teams all competing for it. I think ten wins is
what's good. You're gonna have to get to to get there.

(01:56:38):
And so you've got the Baltimore Ravens that my that
are seven and five. So the Baltimore Ravens right now
are in as the number six overall team. UH. And
then you have four other teams that are all in
the mix chasing the Baltimore Ravens right now. Miami Dolphins,
Indianapolis Colts, Denver Broncos, Tennessee Titans. I think one of
those teams is gonna have to get to and wins.

(01:57:00):
One of those five. Whoever is able to do it,
I think will win the UH sixth seed in the playoffs.
And the only reason why the Tennessee Titans are still
alive and their season still matters. I went and I
watched this game because I have no life. The Titans
against the Jets, and the Titans got a touchdown on
basically what thirty six seconds left. I think here's what

(01:57:24):
it sounded like when my guy Marcus Mariota dropped back
to pass. Here is the call from the Titans radio network.
When Mariota takes the snap, looking firing hot Davis Turts,
he goes, tick gets in, puts that Titans c d
makes the kicks first lead of the day with thirty

(01:57:46):
six seconds to get on. And you know it's a
bad game when you have to do that against the
Jets to win. But the Titans state alive. Here are
the teams that are effectively eliminated. I'll do this for
the a f C tomorrow. You can pour out a
drink for these teams. They are done. The Cincinnati Engles
five and seven, they're finished, not gonna make the playoffs.
Cleveland Browns, you had to run, You're done. There's the
drink being poured out for them. The Cleveland Browns season

(01:58:08):
is over. The Buffalo Bills season is over, the Jacksonville
Jaguar season is over, the Jets season is over, and
the Oakland Raiders season is over. That is the entirety.
There are at this point in time, six of the
six team teams that have now been eliminated in the NFL.
As each additional team is eliminated we will pour out
the drink for them. I'll do it for the NFC

(01:58:30):
teams tomorrow. There are several that are eliminated. I'll tell
you who those teams are. But there are right now,
like I said, uh, five teams that are in very
comfortably in the playoff and everybody else is chasing. We
had a great discussion, I think of the Kareem Hunt situation.
We also broke down the College Football Playoff decision. I
think put it succinctly, Georgia would beat Oklahoma, they would

(01:58:53):
beat Notre Dame. I think Georgia is the third best
team in college football this year, but the College Football
Playoff Committee made the politically expedient decision to take Oklahoma
because it would be less controversial. Oklahoma gets in, they'll
play against Alabama, Clemson will play against Notre Dame. It
can't really fault the decision that the committee made, but

(01:59:14):
they made the decision to take the most deserving teams
over the best teams. Notre Dame is not better than Georgia.
Oklahoma is not better than Georgia either, But Georgia was
not the most deserving team, and ultimately that's where the
rubber hits the road. You have to make a decision
best versus most deserving, and they went with the most deserving.

(01:59:36):
The College Football Playoff Committee did over the best. We'll
be back tomorrow breaking down whatever happens in Eagles and
Redskins final game of the twelfth game of the NFL season.
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