January 18, 2021 • 41 mins
Doug reacts to Tom Brady taking the Buccaneers to the NFC Championship in his first season in Tampa Bay and why this gives him bragging rights over the Patriots. Doug talks to Super Bowl champion and quarterback expert Trent Dilfer about Lamar Jackson and the Ravens only scoring 3 points against the Bills. Plus, Doug discusses the Saints losing at home to the Buccaneers and why it's time for legendary quarterback Drew Brees to retire from the NFL.
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It wasn't a virtuo so for Tom Brady it just wasn't.
But it was plenty good enough. You know, three total touchdowns,
one rushing complice percentage is not great, hundred nine passing, huge,
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huge completion on third down, gigantic, gigantic um. But they
won the game, and he's in the NFC Championship game.
This is fourteen, fourteen championship game. Now you might say, okay, well,
the guy has been to nine Super Bowls. If he
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doesn't get there, then you know, there's five they left. Dude,
I there's you know, I can't even fathom how long
he has been this good. And yes, again, like I said,
it's completely and totally fair to say that he was
not great. But if you look at the other side,
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when you have a great offensive head coach and you've
got weapons all around, and Drew Brees turns it over
a couple of times. There in lines the difference right
there in lines of difference. So I guess the way
to look at the divorce as of right now it
is really simple. The way to look at the divorces.
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Say whatever you want about the Patriots, because ultimately I
think they'll they're more likely to get it right. They're
more likely to be back in the playoffs than they
are too for we're right off into the sunset and
have been, you know, a figment. But everyone inside sports
like the Brady or Belichick thing is really a radio
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TV discussion not a real life sports discussion, because I
think if you look at what Belichick was left with,
no one else on earth wins six games with that
team in these circumstances, the eight opt outs on defense
and Kim newon you can't throw again, that said Brady
to do the right thing right, It wasn't even if
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you want to relate it to the divorces like we
make it out like all divorces have enemus that all
divorces are because the relationship is toxic. That's not that's
not the way it actually works. That's not the way
it works. I don't know if you know this. Look
I gotta I got a quick history lesson for you.
So Friday I broadcast from Reno. And do you know
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what Reno? How Reno became like a ace where people
would go and stay and sometimes live. And this is
all of all of the state of Nevada, do you know, um?
For you know, the first hundred or so years of
our country, you you couldn't get divorced. In some states,
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you couldn't. It was illegal to get divorced. So and
there was a lengthy period that you had to go
through before you could actually be divorced, even in those
other states, whereas I think it was like thirty days
instead of six months or a year that it was
in in other states. And so they would actually Nevada
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was like the divorce capital of the of the country.
And you'd go there and you'd wait, and some people
end up going like, you know, it's not bad, dry air,
I'll live here. That's what happens. But divorce, so often
times in sports, is a dirty word. It's a how
dare you leave me. How dare you go for play
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for another team? How dare you go coach for another team?
How dare you walk away while you still have football
in you, while you still left basketball in you? Like again,
when when Lebron left the first time, obviously Cleveland was bitter,
I'm not sure Lebron was all that bitter. When he
came back, he was a more mature dude. It was
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he'd never been to college, was the first time living
away from home. He goes to four NBA finals and
four years and wins two. He learned a lot and
it came back he's like, you know what, I want
to win a title here. And then when he left again,
I don't think there was much animals from Cleveland. I don't.
I don't. I don't think that the second time that
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he got divorced from the from the Cavaliers. But for
whatever reason, because Tom Brady had only been with one team,
because Tom Brady was the quarterback of the Patriots through
almost all good times, right, it wasn't like through the
good times in the bad. I think it's not really
a bad time when you lose after being eighteen and
oh and lose to the Giants, it's disappointing, but it's
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not bad. It's the opposite of bad. It's really really good,
only not like historically unbelievably spectacularly fairytale ending good. But
he had been with the Patriots through all of those
championship runs. I guess the bad was his d injury
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the following year. But now he's with the Buccaneers, and
now they're going to play against Aaron Rodgers. And this
is a Tampa franchise that for basically twenty years has
been bad, and they weren't good the second he got there.
And it's not a perfect fit. It's not a perfect
remarriage because you know, second time in your relationship you
carry the baggage of your first relationship you've always did.
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He bab was basically married for twenty years, and I
was like, okay, wait, you want me to throw the
ball deep down the field, Like I don't do that.
I don't do that anymore. But they made it work,
and he's fine, and he's doing his Tom Brady thing,
and he keeps looking younger with incredible hair and remarkable teeth.
I don't know what's going on there. What I do
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know is this two things we make all divorce about
some animus. You gotta hate her, she's gotta hate you.
We got Brady's gotta hate the Patriots. The patriots gotta
hate him. Somebody's gotta win, you know, That's what we do.
It's not really the way it always works. Sometimes it does.
Sometimes it is war the roses where people you know,
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have to want to divide up their house with a
chainsaw that that does in fact happen, when that's probably
more times than not, right, I mean Antonio Brown or
heard his name, and we'll see, like Antonio Brown, like
that's an ugly divorce from well, the Patriots of the
student of the Steelers. Um. But the Brady thing doesn't
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have to be. It doesn't have to be sold that way. Yeah,
it was. He tired of some of stuff. Sure, they're
probably tired of him on some level. You know, he's
not a spring chicken. He's not perfect. He doesn't know
a great ball sometimes anymore, there's things that he's never
been able to do athletically, and you always they always
wanted a little bit more autout a quarterback. Alright, fine,
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now you gotta really a on a quarterback. Here's the problem.
You can't throw. But the second part is if you
want to do the winners and losers from the divorce.
If you do, then you're gonna have to say that
as of now, Tom Brady has at least made himself
not a loser. Right, Like, if the Patriots go back
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to the super Bowl in two or three years, we'll
go like, whoa wait, wait a second, But we have
to remember this moment. If Tom Brady is terrible next
year because he stays a year too long, right, how
many Patriots have left New England, had one good year
and then the second year completely fallen off and been
out of the league. That that's that's very possibly going
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to happen. But if we take a snapshot at this moment,
we realized that Tom Brady still had a lot of
good football in him. And it's once again in a
championship game. All right, coming up next, here's what we
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First sup Bowl Champion quarterback joins us. Last time you
walked out the football field uniform was well, mine was weird.
I got knocked out in Candlestick, my last play ever played.
I was out for three and a half minutes with
my biggest concussion of my career, so they didn't let
me go back. I was trying to come back the
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next year, but the doctors wouldn't let me come back. Okay,
but that was the last game. That was literally last
time you're in uniform. Last time I was ever in
the uniform was played the Vikings and Candlestick at a
two thousand I guess at seven and fourth and one.
I tried to scramble and Nickelback hit me in the neck.
Clean hit just kind of a freaky deal and I
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was out cold for I think three plus minutes. My
family thought I was dead, and uh explains a lot
about my mental state these days. Okay, so and help
me out. I don't I've never experienced that obviously, when
you when you came to when you were on the sidelines, like,
do you remember anything else? Were you in the hospital,
were you in the locker room? Like when? When? What
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do you remember after that last thing? I remember? I
I vaguely remember Bright Young saying something to me as
I got on the cart to be wheeled off. And
then my next vivid memory is in the training room
with my three daughters and wife, you know, looking over me,
crying because they were scared for me. Okay, so the
moment you they wouldn't let you come back and play
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and you knew it was over. What is that feeling like?
It's hard, man? It is. You know, so much of
our life is tied into the process of being a
professional athlete. It's not just game days. The process, the routine, um,
the grind um, the discipline um. You know, the camaraderie,
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the locker room, the built in community. I think people
over the country, especial to COVID and lockdowns, and they
missed community. They have been a build a part of
their little built in communities. While in football, in professional sports,
you have your community, your wife has their friends, you
got your buddies. Um, you know what a Friday night
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looks like the entire year, you know the Wednesday night
looks like. So when that is, when that's over, you're
kind of kind of like a lost sheep. You really
don't know what to do. And I think that's why
so many of us going to TV because it keeps
us close to the game, keeps us um somewhat close
to a locker room feel. Many guys coach because they
don't want to give it up UM, but very few
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like re enter the real world and have a UM,
have a purpose, and have a lane that they're comfortable
in because their lane has been defined for him for
so long. Yeah. I think it's also different as a quarterback,
And you can tell me if I'm wrong, because it's
not just the preparation, it's not just the energy of
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playing in a football game. It's your leader of men, right,
Like you're literally leading guys who they're your contemporaries, they're
your your friends. Um, like that they depend upon you,
you depend upon them. There's kind of an equal balance there.
But like you stand in front of them and tell
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them what they need to do in order for you
to be successful, and you are never going to replicate
that until unless you coach, I guess. But even then
you're kind of powerless because you can't do it yourself, right, Like,
I think that's the hardest. That's why the quarterbacks especially
have the hardest time walking away, even though financially they're
usually the best off. Yeah, you nailed, And I think
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when you're a quarterback you're in the in the weird
role of your power and control. When you're a coach,
you have power but no control, if that makes any sense.
So as a quarterback, yes, you're a leader of man.
You're the front and center or the CEO, and you
also have the control. You have the ball in your hand,
so it goes as good or bad as you play.
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When you go into coaching, yeah, you have this position
of power and you format everything and you lead people,
but when the balls kicked off, you really have no control.
You're at the mercy of your players. Uh, And I
do agree. It's like if the guy was a CEO
in the Bay Area of a tech company, and then
that company folds and he has to go, you know,
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be a low level manager at a Walmart like that.
That's a that's a life crisis, that's an identity crisis.
And I think that's what a lot of quarterbacks go
through as they go from being the CEO to now
an employee of something that's not quite as big, and
they really struggle with that transition. Um, if you had
to guess either any of those three comeback, Philip Rivers,
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Big Ben Drew Brees, I say Ben, yes, Philip Uh Breeze,
No way, Breeze is done. He's gonna want to come back.
I think you. I think he's wise and taking this time.
As he does the soul searching, as he does the evaluation,
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they may lead him to coming back. But him and
Sean have such a great relationship. I think Sean will
lead him to the path of retirement. And I think
for the Saints in general, as great as Drew is
and as efficient as he still can be, you saw yesterday,
their ceiling is in a high um and they're gonna
want a guy, whether it's Taysom Hill, whether Samus Winston,
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whether it's somebody else, and Sam Donald I think is
a really nice fit if he's on the market. Um.
I think those are guys that give them a higher
ceiling long term. Um. Okay, how did how did how
did Tom Brady play yesterday? That he was so all
the all the boring things about quarterback that people like
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to talk about. He was a master. He was discerning,
he was patient, he was in total control. Um, he
framed the game well, he knew where they were at
any situation in he didn't push too hard. Um. I
thought it was very deliberate with his misses. H. He
know the ball was never at risk the entire game. Um,
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he knew that that thing was going to have evan
flows and that if he was careful and discerning that
he would have a chance to have a ball in
his hand to win the game. Um. And I don't
he never played outside of that. Can he win that
way in Green Bay? Yeah? Oh yeah, I think they can.
I think I mean I would pick Greenbay is a favorite,
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But they can win that way. Yeah. They're They're good
enough defensively that they can create havoc. They got to
stop green Bay's run game. Um and I think offensively,
they create a lot of stress for the defense. So
think about each one of those five shots they took
the only or six, I think they hit one for
six on kind of vertical shots. Even the five in
completions have an impact, and they have an impact that
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today through Saturday before the game, because you're having to
prepare for all those vertical elements of the passing game.
And let's assume Antonio Brown comes back. The injury didn't
look down serious. I haven't heard anything today. Maybe I'm wrong,
but now that's one more explosive quality that you have
to account for. That's naturally going to breathe air into
the Green Bay defense. The more air that's breathed into it,
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the more they're going backwards, the more opportunity have to
run other stuff. They fix their protection issues. They're way
more balanced, they have an ice screen game, they can
run the ball inside and outside. They're really diverse offensively,
and because of that, they could control the game offensively.
I can see this being the game if Tampa wins,
where they have thirty three thirty five minutes time of
possession and keep keep their it off the field. Doug
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Aliave show here on Fox Sports Radio. That is the
voice of Trent Dilford. Trent Um. Okay, let's get to
Bill's Ravens. I've heard it called one of the worst
stare downs they've seen at that level. Did we see
Lamar Jackson ceiling right before our eyes? I don't think so.
I think they're gonna get better off. I think they
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need to expand his throw catalog. I think they need
to add a perimeter guy that's a bigger like Dez
Bryant six years ago. Like they need that big perimeter
threat UM that can work outside the numbers, uh in
the off season, in training camp, in preseason. Expand his
throw catalog, meaning the amounts of throws he has. Doesn't
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We have to get away from who they are. UM
from a formatting standpoint is an offense. The one thing
they're just not very good at, and I'm shocked at,
is changing the launch point. Like there's a if you
watch Aaron the other day, he didn't throw the ball
from the pocket that often Jared Goffins until the ball
from the pocket that often. Baker Mayfield had a great
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season because they change the launch point. These are all
things that they can do in Baltimore Lamar could do
them well if they get one more talented perimeter guy
and they kind of change how they throw the football
doesn't have to be from inside the pocket the majority
of the time. And I think they need to take
a close look at um their past scheme in general
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and the amount of throws they train Lamar to make,
and if they increase that, then I don't think they're
gonna be pigeonholing the game to either run or throw
it from the pocket. There's there's other ways of moving
the ball in the passing game. They just don't have
them in their repertoire right now. Okay, well, look, I
think it's a real discussion to have, Like, look, I
don't think you'd have any royal type situation, any royal though.
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I remember he was in Denver they won that playoff
game and then he wanted out because you just don't
get the number of balls. So um, Hayden Hurstaller already
wanted out maybe for other reasons in Baltimore, but it's
because of the volume of balls coming his way. Does
that mean they have to draft a big wide receiver, right?
I mean in that because you're not gonna get anybody
to sign there. I would agree with that. I don't
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think it's gonna be a really attractive place for an
alpha perimeter guy to go on free agency. But as
we've seen in college football, these receivers coming out are
way more advanced than they are years ago. So it's
not a It's not unheard of to find a guy
late in the first round, in the second round, even
the third round that can develop into a big perimeter threat.
And we saw last night with Tom Brady, number eight
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I can forget his name, Number eighteen, a guy that
he loves. That's their fifth guy. They got him. It
was in the third round. I mean that there's guys out,
there's so many people throwing the football, there's so many
talented guys playing on the edge on offense. Uh, you're identifying.
They do as a good job of anybody's identifying. And
then you merely invest into that guy and make him
a primary piece of your offense and he'll he'll compliment
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Hollywood Brown really well. Um they do that, and I
think they got a chance to expand their PASSENGNDL for
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Sports Radio. Um, what about Aaron Rodgers? What what do
you think of how they played against the Rams? Masterful
and I love how the floor is calling the game. Um,
Aaron's as good as anybody. If you were just to
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go boundary, boundary, spread them out, throw the ball like
McCarthy did with We're still gonna put a big numbers.
He's still gonna be a efficient, he's still going to
protect the ball. But I think what La Fleur found was, Hey,
if we have to do that, we know we can,
but let's really play the game on our nerves. They're
run run action game. And how effective Aaron is and
that is phenomenal, especially for a good that hasn't spent
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his career doing it. Um, I mean, he's really become
the ball faith the past roles. I'm animulating back to
the defense. When you turn your head around, that first
look really affects the defense put conflict. So he's awesome
at coming up off the fake, staring down the right
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side and coming back to left and throwing a crossing route. Uh.
It allows those big receivers when when it's not just
going to Davante Adams, it allows those big guys to
get going down the field, get their momentum. Uh. It
just fits who they are, and Aaron is handled as
well as anybody in football. That's why he's going to
be the m v p um. They found that great
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combination of being explosive and safe at the same time,
like they don't. Again, the ball is never in question,
very rarely. Are you concerned with Green Bay turning it
over even though they have explosive qualities in the passing game.
How concerned would you be if you're the Rams long
term with Jared Golf I'm not. I'm not nearly as
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discerned as everybody else's. I don't know why I'm not
a I'm not an anti Jared Goff guy. I think
he needs to play the game a certain way. I
think there's a lot of quarterbacks that way. Um, when
they're rolling, when they have things going the way they want. Um,
he's a really effective quarterback. No, they're not as good
as a team as they have been in the past.
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I think quarterback gets kind of the face of the
brunt of that. But you know, offensively, they're not that great.
Offensive line is as good as they have been in
the past. They don't have an alpha wide receiver. They
have a bunch of slots playing wide receiver. Um, they
don't have great tight end play. They found the running
back which is awesome and cam Akers, but they're just
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not as talented as they have in the past. They
were a defensive centric team and then their defense got
a little exposed um the other day. So I think
Jared's gonna be fine. I think they know that. And
by the way, they can't move on from me. And
he's got four years guaranteed on his contract. So the
whole Jared Goff's going somewhere else thing is just not
gonna happen. Married to Jared. They made that decision. And
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the way when you marry somebody and they aren't what
you signed up for, you got to do things to
make a person better, and they are five ways to
make their better. Huge steps for Cleveland this year, I
think everybody would have got I mean huge steps. If
you're with Cleveland today and you're looking at the film
with Kevin Stevanski says all right, what do we need
to do for that next level? What do you do?
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I think they're pretty close. Um, I think they found
their identity. I think Stefanski did an incredible job with
that football team, just as just their culture for anything else.
I know we throw that word around, but their vibe,
their environment, their buy in, their camaraderie, their chemistry, you know,
put a bunch of words on it. I think what
he did there is phenomenal. Um. I'm sitting in the
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office one of the greatest Browns of all time in
philled Austin, and he's excited about what they're doing. And
you know, he never got to experience that type of culture. UM.
And I think that's number one. I think from a
talent standpoint, they have all the pieces you're looking for.
I mean they can run, number one. They got a
great runner, and they got a good offensive line. They
can run the rock. They found out what Baker does well,
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and that's action pass plays under center pretty well. Um,
when decisive, as accurate as anybody Um has been clutched
for him. I'm I'm high on Baker Mayfield. Defensively, they're
building a monster. In fact, I'd go all in on
defense if I'm the Browns. I'm comfortable with my offense.
I'll draft guys late to be supplemental guys, but I'm
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adding more pieces at defense. Take it from really good
to great, Like just decide, Hey, we're playing in a
division where you have bad weather. Um, the division winners
for years upon years have come from great defenses. Let's
make our identity around building the best defense and football
and invest our resources into that. And I think offensively
they have enough to complement that and go win a
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championship if they go excuse me my voice, that sounded
like yours, go all in on the defensive side of
the ball. Uh. Yeah, that's that's Uh, that's it's it's
it's not it's not COVID. It's coaching that youth basketball
games in loud. Jim's that's that's exactly what that is.
So love yea, Yeah, TV, great stuff as always, Thanks
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so much for joining us. You're the best man talk
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Easter noon Pacific. Here's what always happens, usually for like
a day. I really love what Dan Buyer said last hour.
He's like, look at Jared Cook fumbles, Like I felt
like the deciding factor because if he didn't watch the game,
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you know, like Saints are upset, you know, Saints lost.
Tom Brady was terrific he was efficient. They turned it
over and you look at the final score like, well,
they were probably up ten fifteen points and then because
the turnovers, then they scored some points late at an
onside kick and it didn't work like that's that what happened.
They're up seven. Jerick Cook catches the ball, runs and
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then fumbles dramatically changes the game. The same could also
be said for the Kancie Chiefs and the Cleveland Browns.
Mahomes obviously went out with I guess being choked out
would be Chattahenny does just enough and they go for
it on fourth down when they just need one stop
and they can't get that one stop. But lost in
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it was a fumble, and of course the Browns, you know,
you fumble the ball into and out of the end zone,
it's not only a turnover, but a touchback, and the
Chiefs get it at the twenty yard line. This is
Kevin Stevanski talking about the fumble after the game. Honestly,
I didn't see the replay. I was told about it,
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but I'll let the league handle those type of things.
You know, I will never ever doubt or shard higgins
effort or our guys effort are rule there is not
to reach the ball out its first and goal and
he knows that. So again I appreciate his effort. He
battled like he always does. But we've got to fight
that arth because it's such a big loss if it
does end up being a touchback now now loss than
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it was. I mean, it appeared to be you know,
a head shot right um, And and that's really I
mean that that's the problem, the ambiguity with the rule,
which is like, all right, there's not supposed to be
any ambiguity. If you go a helmet to helmet, then
then there's a penalty and you can clearly see in
the replay. But the bigger I think discussion is also
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is about the touchback rule right by or where are
you on as as our as our rules expert, where
are you? Where are you on? The on the touchback? Well,
to give you a short answer, I think that the
rule should be changed. I do have a solution for it,
but I do think that it's a bad rule. Okay, Um,
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we'll come back to you one sure, that's fine. I
figured that was the case. Music Where are you? I'm
a dan where I think that there's just needs to
be a change to the rule. I think it's something
that needs to be revisited in the off season. Okay,
but do you have do you mean I do have
a couple of ideas and how it can Okay, buyre
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let's okay. So my general take is My general take
is I think it's a like a it's too punitive. Right. First,
keep in mind, it's the only time in the sport
where you get control of the ball and a turnover
when you didn't actually control the football. Like I think
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that's probably the biggest issue because it's like, Okay, I
get that the end zone is sacred, but why do
you get a turnover when you didn't actually secure the ball.
There's no other place in the football field where that
is actually the case. There's a problem there for me.
And then when you do get the ball, you don't
get at the spot of the fumble. You get at
the twenty yard line. So now it becomes not only
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incredibly punitive losing a football that the other team did
not gain, but you also give them some nineteen and
a half yards usually which they did not earn. So
if you get come up with a viable solution, I'm
all ears go Dan by my solution, and I did
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just a plug for my Sunday show with George roy
Stir because the game was happening when our show was
going on, so the fumble happened earlier, the point being,
as we got into a heated discussion, My UH point was,
I believe that no offensive fumbles should be able to
be advanced by the offensive team. So under this scenario,
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Doug the any this would allow any fumble to not
be picked up by an offensive player and advanced for
further yardage, which would then wait, that's the ruined college,
right I believe, Yeah, And so it takes care of
a lot of different things, but most importantly it puts
a blanket over all the different sort of fumble scenarios
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that you have. Because the fumble scenario that happened in
Cleveland in Kansas City yesterday is different than a fumble
that would happen under two minutes, different than a fumble
that would happen, you know, on fourth down. Different, There's
so many different fumble scenarios that I think that that
is part of the problem, and this would be a
way to cure that. Because I agree with you that
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if the big deal. If the defense forced the fumble,
you should have to recover the fumble to gain any
benefit from it, right, Okay, So so you're you're putting
like a moratorium on any advancing advancing of a fumble forward.
And so then the if you fumble at the one
foot line and it goes to the end zone, who
gets the ball? If it then then it would just
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be dead at the spot of the foul, with the
offensive team retaining possession from that spot of the fumble. Okay.
So so like let's say it was third and five
would be it would be fourth in an inch, right,
fourth in an inch, and it would be the offensive
ball again. Yes, okay, I don't know if I love that,
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only in that now we've rewarded a team that fumbled
a football. I get that that would be like what
it is from for the rest, but there is this
feeling go ahead. But I was just gonna say, if
there's another scenario where let's say Richard Higgins fumbled at
the twenty eight yard line and it moves up to
the twenty six yard line on a second down, they
get the football to the the twenty six yard line, so
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why should they get the two extra yards for fumbling forward.
If if it just went out of bounds at that
point on a fourth down, you can't fumble forward. You'd
have to be the one to recover it yourself. And
that under two minutes, same sort of thing. That's the
profits there to me to take care of it and
to take care of what happened yesterday. Just don't allow
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the offensive team to advance a fumble and if the
defense happens to recover it in the field deployed perfect,
it's their football. But otherwise it's dead at the spot
of the fumble. Uh um music is that? Is that
your solution as well? Another that is not my solution.
My solution would be, um, it penalizes the offense for
fumbling by you get the ball back, but it's still
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considered a touch back, so you have to go and
take it from either the twenty or I know, technically
a touch back now is the twenty five yard line.
So there's the chance that in that Higgins situation, you've
taken the ball from much further out from the twenty
yard line and you've gotten it all the way up
to the point to where you almost scored a touchdown.
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Now your punishment for fumbling that close to the goal line,
and it maintains this idea that the goal line is
somehow sacred. Is we're not going to give you the
ball back on the one yard line you can maintain possession.
Now you have to back up outside of the red
zone to the twenty five yard line, which is somewhat
beneficial to the defense at the same time because as
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you said, you didn't ever regain possession of the ball,
so I can't give you the ball, but you did
not get free, and so your benefit is now instead
of having to try and defend the goal line first
and goal from the one, you now have twenty five
yards and several downs to try and prevent the defense
from actually getting into the end zone. I like Ryan's
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rule better. I I like that way. That rule better
that And then it's equally punitive. Let's say it's like
second and goal from the one and then you fumble.
What your punishment is now you're no longer it'll be
third and goal, but from the that's your punishment. Yeah,
I get, we'll go ahead. I just I don't. I
don't see that is a I don't believe that the
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end zone is this sacred area. I think that if
the ball bounces a half inch one way as opposed
to maybe another, you're getting the ball the half yard
line as opposed to giving the football back um to
another team like the we're like we if the ball
goes out at the half yard line, then it's still
Cleveland's ball. If it goes out of the end zone,
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it's now the defenses. And if you were to do
your scenario now, you're still penalizing the offense twenty yards
for something that a they really didn't do wrong even
though they lost possession of the football, and on other
spots of the field they could actually gain more from it.
Like that's that's why I just don't I get again,
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I I get, I get what you're saying. I understand,
but we also have to admit that if you gain
one yard anywhere else in the field, you don't get points.
If you gain one yard at the one yard line,
you get six points. So there is a value to
that area of real estate, right, I mean, it's in
the old it's location, location, location. Now that that's what
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the argument is. By the way, I don't think the
rule is changing. And every time this happens in a
big game, we talk about changing the rule that this
reminds me of. It reminds me of minds you of.
For my lifetime, Dick Vital has been calling games on
ESPN and he always wants to change the tie up rule. Oh,
change that rule, change that rule. Right, have you noticed
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nobody changed that rule? Have you noticed? Now? Granted it's
not points are not decided on jump balls for the
most point, and nobody actually wants to see the old
throw it up jump all into free throw line, semicircle.
But the point is that we are yelling, we are
streaming at the at the sky at things that won't change.
That said, I like Ryan's because this is a little
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bit like, um, it's a little bit like Shoots the Ladders.
You guys are playing shooting and ladders with the kids.
Right this, I was like, oh man, I gotta go
back to the start. Are you kidding me? I gotta go.
But at least, at least you don't like lose the game,
whereas you know the way it is now you're going
to the end zone, like you lose the ball and
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you lose all that yardage. That that sounds crazy. Well,
I also think, let's say you take a quarterback and
you you sack him at his own thirty five yard line,
and he fumbles the football and then an offensive lineman
picks it up and runs a ten yards to the
forty five yard line. The as the you know, defense,
he just kind of like great, you know, like here,
here's there's nobody else back there. He fumbles in a
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guy picks it up and runs a ten yards. Yeah,
it's tough, beans, but the defense ends up getting penalized
for making a great play while the offense didn't do
anything to deserve except having a guy somewhere in the
area being able to pick the football up and getting
ten yards back that you would have originally lost if
you just put all the fumbles in the same sort
of category. We're not having discussions on is it before
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two minutes? Is it after two minutes? Is it fourth downd?
Is it not fourth downd? Is the goal line? Is
it the not go line? Just don't have the ability
to advance it. And I think it just clears up
a lot for the NFL to to have to deal with.
That's that's just where I am. I think it's a
bigger picture and actually think it will be discussed this
off season because of where it happened and when it
happened in a playoff game on national TV. You know
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that's happened before the playoff game in national TV. Um, yeah,
I know that that's what well that scenario or are
you just talking about look them looking at a rule? Both? Okay,
because I think that things changed with the Rams and Saints.
I think that we have we have seen bad calls
in the NFL and then all of a sudden that
ends up happening. Yeah, exactly, but I will all would
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go back. Yeah, but it doesn't doesn't change that they
looked at it and actually did change it. And also,
this play is is rare enough where you're not going
to have like twenty cases throughout a season where there
would be you know, four or five scenarios. The worst
call ever was the Austin Seferian Jenkins Jets Patriots call,
you know and like and and that to me is
reasonab enough to be like, wait a second here, how
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are we really judging this rule and what is the
true intent of this sort of rule? And if you
can eliminate scenarios like that, Um, to me, it's worth it.
Let's put it that way music. Would you would you
like to add on or take away or or or
or contradict that in any way? Uh No, I mean
I just think I I tend to more align because
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I think what the issue is a lot of what
I saw on Twitter with some former players was there
are so many rules now in the game that benefit
the offense. This is the one rule that benefits the defense.
So I get that, and I do think there's something
too that when you consider, you know, half the league
is going to be defensive players who where if you
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change the rule a certain way, they may look at
this and go, oh, here we go. Just another thing
that's going to try and benefit all the offensive players.
It's all about the wide receivers and the quarterbacks. Nothing
for us. So I think if you're trying to at
least meet in the middle, you may be able to
appease both sides with like, look, we can't give you
possession of the ball because you never really gained possession.
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It just rolled out of bounds out of the back
of the end zones, So we can't give you the ball.
But we'll do is we'll back them up outside of
the red zone. That at least gives you a chance
to prevent them from scoring a touchdown. Yeah, so I
guess that that's the other part is that's the only
other option there, okay, which is giving the defense the ball,
but give it at the spot where the ball was fumbled.
That's the only other if you you know that basically
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we we've hit on all three possibilities, which is buyers
is give the ball back to the offense where it
was fumbled. Mine would be give it to the defense
where it was fumbled. And music would be and I'm
actually a little bit more aligned with musics maybe than
my own, which would be keep it with the offense,
but but have it like a touch back. What what
happens if you're inside the twenty and that happens? What
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do you mean like if the players run from the
eight yard line and you fumbled, you move back to
the twenty? Then yes, And then if it's like I
really get a fumble from the eight yard line? You know,
how did it? Know? But not the meaning the play is?
You know, the play is a guy is reaching over
from the goal line and tries to the ball where
it's wherever. No, it's wherever the ball wherever they lost
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control of football for But if that's the college rule,
the college rule that you're you're proposing, okay, is that
you can't dance a fumble, So you go back Ryan's proposal.
Like Ryan's proposal is to bring it back from the
twenty yard line. Yesterday's play happened at one, Like the
forty yard line is where the line of scrimmage was.
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So what about if the Browns, like, so, they're gonna
lose twelve yards on the play? Correct? Yes, yes, I
would say that's correct. That is your quote unquote punishment
for fumbling the ball out of the back of the
end zone. You're gonna in that case, you would be
from the eight large yard line. Yes, you would be
losing yardage for fumbling the football into the back of
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the end zone. Now, the benefit would be in the
event of this Brown's play would be you get to
maintain possession of the football and you actually netted twenty
yards since the play started from the fourth Yeah. See,
And this is this is why I like my rule
is because there's so many different kind of fumble rules
depending on time and location. And if you just did
it my way, which I feel is the best way,
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then all the fumbles are just they're treated equally, they're
treated equally, and all fumbles not equal under the law.
I don't know, I'm confusing. That's that's just how I look.
I think that the fumble is not the same. That
there's a tuck rule play this weekend, right, everybody hates
the there's you can have you can have a tuck rule.
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That that fumble is different than other fumbles. Um, there's
you know, uh, there's when you if you get the football,
we don't make a football move and you fumble it
and you don't necessarily security you don't have a completed pass.
Like I actually don't believe that all fumbles are created.
Then we had the Giants games at the last game
of the season where apparently you can secure a football
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by simply sitting on the football. I didn't know that
could take place, but that's what the ruling was
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It wasn't a virtuo so for Tom Brady it just wasn't.
But it was plenty good enough. You know, three total touchdowns,
one rushing complice percentage is not great, hundred nine passing, huge,
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huge completion on third down, gigantic, gigantic um. But they
won the game, and he's in the NFC Championship game.
This is fourteen, fourteen championship game. Now you might say, okay, well,
the guy has been to nine Super Bowls. If he
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doesn't get there, then you know, there's five they left. Dude,
I there's you know, I can't even fathom how long
he has been this good. And yes, again, like I said,
it's completely and totally fair to say that he was
not great. But if you look at the other side,
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when you have a great offensive head coach and you've
got weapons all around, and Drew Brees turns it over
a couple of times. There in lines the difference right
there in lines of difference. So I guess the way
to look at the divorce as of right now it
is really simple. The way to look at the divorces.
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Say whatever you want about the Patriots, because ultimately I
think they'll they're more likely to get it right. They're
more likely to be back in the playoffs than they
are too for we're right off into the sunset and
have been, you know, a figment. But everyone inside sports
like the Brady or Belichick thing is really a radio
(02:11):
TV discussion not a real life sports discussion, because I
think if you look at what Belichick was left with,
no one else on earth wins six games with that
team in these circumstances, the eight opt outs on defense
and Kim newon you can't throw again, that said Brady
to do the right thing right, It wasn't even if
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you want to relate it to the divorces like we
make it out like all divorces have enemus that all
divorces are because the relationship is toxic. That's not that's
not the way it actually works. That's not the way
it works. I don't know if you know this. Look
I gotta I got a quick history lesson for you.
So Friday I broadcast from Reno. And do you know
(02:56):
what Reno? How Reno became like a ace where people
would go and stay and sometimes live. And this is
all of all of the state of Nevada, do you know, um?
For you know, the first hundred or so years of
our country, you you couldn't get divorced. In some states,
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you couldn't. It was illegal to get divorced. So and
there was a lengthy period that you had to go
through before you could actually be divorced, even in those
other states, whereas I think it was like thirty days
instead of six months or a year that it was
in in other states. And so they would actually Nevada
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was like the divorce capital of the of the country.
And you'd go there and you'd wait, and some people
end up going like, you know, it's not bad, dry air,
I'll live here. That's what happens. But divorce, so often
times in sports, is a dirty word. It's a how
dare you leave me. How dare you go for play
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for another team? How dare you go coach for another team?
How dare you walk away while you still have football
in you, while you still left basketball in you? Like again,
when when Lebron left the first time, obviously Cleveland was bitter,
I'm not sure Lebron was all that bitter. When he
came back, he was a more mature dude. It was
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he'd never been to college, was the first time living
away from home. He goes to four NBA finals and
four years and wins two. He learned a lot and
it came back he's like, you know what, I want
to win a title here. And then when he left again,
I don't think there was much animals from Cleveland. I don't.
I don't. I don't think that the second time that
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he got divorced from the from the Cavaliers. But for
whatever reason, because Tom Brady had only been with one team,
because Tom Brady was the quarterback of the Patriots through
almost all good times, right, it wasn't like through the
good times in the bad. I think it's not really
a bad time when you lose after being eighteen and
oh and lose to the Giants, it's disappointing, but it's
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not bad. It's the opposite of bad. It's really really good,
only not like historically unbelievably spectacularly fairytale ending good. But
he had been with the Patriots through all of those
championship runs. I guess the bad was his d injury
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the following year. But now he's with the Buccaneers, and
now they're going to play against Aaron Rodgers. And this
is a Tampa franchise that for basically twenty years has
been bad, and they weren't good the second he got there.
And it's not a perfect fit. It's not a perfect
remarriage because you know, second time in your relationship you
carry the baggage of your first relationship you've always did.
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He bab was basically married for twenty years, and I
was like, okay, wait, you want me to throw the
ball deep down the field, Like I don't do that.
I don't do that anymore. But they made it work,
and he's fine, and he's doing his Tom Brady thing,
and he keeps looking younger with incredible hair and remarkable teeth.
I don't know what's going on there. What I do
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know is this two things we make all divorce about
some animus. You gotta hate her, she's gotta hate you.
We got Brady's gotta hate the Patriots. The patriots gotta
hate him. Somebody's gotta win, you know, That's what we do.
It's not really the way it always works. Sometimes it does.
Sometimes it is war the roses where people you know,
(06:35):
have to want to divide up their house with a
chainsaw that that does in fact happen, when that's probably
more times than not, right, I mean Antonio Brown or
heard his name, and we'll see, like Antonio Brown, like
that's an ugly divorce from well, the Patriots of the
student of the Steelers. Um. But the Brady thing doesn't
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have to be. It doesn't have to be sold that way. Yeah,
it was. He tired of some of stuff. Sure, they're
probably tired of him on some level. You know, he's
not a spring chicken. He's not perfect. He doesn't know
a great ball sometimes anymore, there's things that he's never
been able to do athletically, and you always they always
wanted a little bit more autout a quarterback. Alright, fine,
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now you gotta really a on a quarterback. Here's the problem.
You can't throw. But the second part is if you
want to do the winners and losers from the divorce.
If you do, then you're gonna have to say that
as of now, Tom Brady has at least made himself
not a loser. Right, Like, if the Patriots go back
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to the super Bowl in two or three years, we'll
go like, whoa wait, wait a second, But we have
to remember this moment. If Tom Brady is terrible next
year because he stays a year too long, right, how
many Patriots have left New England, had one good year
and then the second year completely fallen off and been
out of the league. That that's that's very possibly going
(08:01):
to happen. But if we take a snapshot at this moment,
we realized that Tom Brady still had a lot of
good football in him. And it's once again in a
championship game. All right, coming up next, here's what we
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First sup Bowl Champion quarterback joins us. Last time you
walked out the football field uniform was well, mine was weird.
I got knocked out in Candlestick, my last play ever played.
I was out for three and a half minutes with
my biggest concussion of my career, so they didn't let
me go back. I was trying to come back the
(10:29):
next year, but the doctors wouldn't let me come back. Okay,
but that was the last game. That was literally last
time you're in uniform. Last time I was ever in
the uniform was played the Vikings and Candlestick at a
two thousand I guess at seven and fourth and one.
I tried to scramble and Nickelback hit me in the neck.
Clean hit just kind of a freaky deal and I
(10:50):
was out cold for I think three plus minutes. My
family thought I was dead, and uh explains a lot
about my mental state these days. Okay, so and help
me out. I don't I've never experienced that obviously, when
you when you came to when you were on the sidelines, like,
do you remember anything else? Were you in the hospital,
were you in the locker room? Like when? When? What
(11:10):
do you remember after that last thing? I remember? I
I vaguely remember Bright Young saying something to me as
I got on the cart to be wheeled off. And
then my next vivid memory is in the training room
with my three daughters and wife, you know, looking over me,
crying because they were scared for me. Okay, so the
moment you they wouldn't let you come back and play
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and you knew it was over. What is that feeling like?
It's hard, man? It is. You know, so much of
our life is tied into the process of being a
professional athlete. It's not just game days. The process, the routine, um,
the grind um, the discipline um. You know, the camaraderie,
(11:54):
the locker room, the built in community. I think people
over the country, especial to COVID and lockdowns, and they
missed community. They have been a build a part of
their little built in communities. While in football, in professional sports,
you have your community, your wife has their friends, you
got your buddies. Um, you know what a Friday night
(12:15):
looks like the entire year, you know the Wednesday night
looks like. So when that is, when that's over, you're
kind of kind of like a lost sheep. You really
don't know what to do. And I think that's why
so many of us going to TV because it keeps
us close to the game, keeps us um somewhat close
to a locker room feel. Many guys coach because they
don't want to give it up UM, but very few
(12:38):
like re enter the real world and have a UM,
have a purpose, and have a lane that they're comfortable
in because their lane has been defined for him for
so long. Yeah. I think it's also different as a quarterback,
And you can tell me if I'm wrong, because it's
not just the preparation, it's not just the energy of
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playing in a football game. It's your leader of men, right,
Like you're literally leading guys who they're your contemporaries, they're
your your friends. Um, like that they depend upon you,
you depend upon them. There's kind of an equal balance there.
But like you stand in front of them and tell
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them what they need to do in order for you
to be successful, and you are never going to replicate
that until unless you coach, I guess. But even then
you're kind of powerless because you can't do it yourself, right, Like,
I think that's the hardest. That's why the quarterbacks especially
have the hardest time walking away, even though financially they're
usually the best off. Yeah, you nailed, And I think
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when you're a quarterback you're in the in the weird
role of your power and control. When you're a coach,
you have power but no control, if that makes any sense.
So as a quarterback, yes, you're a leader of man.
You're the front and center or the CEO, and you
also have the control. You have the ball in your hand,
so it goes as good or bad as you play.
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When you go into coaching, yeah, you have this position
of power and you format everything and you lead people,
but when the balls kicked off, you really have no control.
You're at the mercy of your players. Uh, And I
do agree. It's like if the guy was a CEO
in the Bay Area of a tech company, and then
that company folds and he has to go, you know,
(14:22):
be a low level manager at a Walmart like that.
That's a that's a life crisis, that's an identity crisis.
And I think that's what a lot of quarterbacks go
through as they go from being the CEO to now
an employee of something that's not quite as big, and
they really struggle with that transition. Um, if you had
to guess either any of those three comeback, Philip Rivers,
(14:45):
Big Ben Drew Brees, I say Ben, yes, Philip Uh Breeze,
No way, Breeze is done. He's gonna want to come back.
I think you. I think he's wise and taking this time.
As he does the soul searching, as he does the evaluation,
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they may lead him to coming back. But him and
Sean have such a great relationship. I think Sean will
lead him to the path of retirement. And I think
for the Saints in general, as great as Drew is
and as efficient as he still can be, you saw yesterday,
their ceiling is in a high um and they're gonna
want a guy, whether it's Taysom Hill, whether Samus Winston,
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whether it's somebody else, and Sam Donald I think is
a really nice fit if he's on the market. Um.
I think those are guys that give them a higher
ceiling long term. Um. Okay, how did how did how
did Tom Brady play yesterday? That he was so all
the all the boring things about quarterback that people like
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to talk about. He was a master. He was discerning,
he was patient, he was in total control. Um, he
framed the game well, he knew where they were at
any situation in he didn't push too hard. Um. I
thought it was very deliberate with his misses. H. He
know the ball was never at risk the entire game. Um,
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he knew that that thing was going to have evan
flows and that if he was careful and discerning that
he would have a chance to have a ball in
his hand to win the game. Um. And I don't
he never played outside of that. Can he win that
way in Green Bay? Yeah? Oh yeah, I think they can.
I think I mean I would pick Greenbay is a favorite,
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But they can win that way. Yeah. They're They're good
enough defensively that they can create havoc. They got to
stop green Bay's run game. Um and I think offensively,
they create a lot of stress for the defense. So
think about each one of those five shots they took
the only or six, I think they hit one for
six on kind of vertical shots. Even the five in
completions have an impact, and they have an impact that
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today through Saturday before the game, because you're having to
prepare for all those vertical elements of the passing game.
And let's assume Antonio Brown comes back. The injury didn't
look down serious. I haven't heard anything today. Maybe I'm wrong,
but now that's one more explosive quality that you have
to account for. That's naturally going to breathe air into
the Green Bay defense. The more air that's breathed into it,
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the more they're going backwards, the more opportunity have to
run other stuff. They fix their protection issues. They're way
more balanced, they have an ice screen game, they can
run the ball inside and outside. They're really diverse offensively,
and because of that, they could control the game offensively.
I can see this being the game if Tampa wins,
where they have thirty three thirty five minutes time of
possession and keep keep their it off the field. Doug
(17:40):
Aliave show here on Fox Sports Radio. That is the
voice of Trent Dilford. Trent Um. Okay, let's get to
Bill's Ravens. I've heard it called one of the worst
stare downs they've seen at that level. Did we see
Lamar Jackson ceiling right before our eyes? I don't think so.
I think they're gonna get better off. I think they
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need to expand his throw catalog. I think they need
to add a perimeter guy that's a bigger like Dez
Bryant six years ago. Like they need that big perimeter
threat UM that can work outside the numbers, uh in
the off season, in training camp, in preseason. Expand his
throw catalog, meaning the amounts of throws he has. Doesn't
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We have to get away from who they are. UM
from a formatting standpoint is an offense. The one thing
they're just not very good at, and I'm shocked at,
is changing the launch point. Like there's a if you
watch Aaron the other day, he didn't throw the ball
from the pocket that often Jared Goffins until the ball
from the pocket that often. Baker Mayfield had a great
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season because they change the launch point. These are all
things that they can do in Baltimore Lamar could do
them well if they get one more talented perimeter guy
and they kind of change how they throw the football
doesn't have to be from inside the pocket the majority
of the time. And I think they need to take
a close look at um their past scheme in general
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and the amount of throws they train Lamar to make,
and if they increase that, then I don't think they're
gonna be pigeonholing the game to either run or throw
it from the pocket. There's there's other ways of moving
the ball in the passing game. They just don't have
them in their repertoire right now. Okay, well, look, I
think it's a real discussion to have, Like, look, I
don't think you'd have any royal type situation, any royal though.
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I remember he was in Denver they won that playoff
game and then he wanted out because you just don't
get the number of balls. So um, Hayden Hurstaller already
wanted out maybe for other reasons in Baltimore, but it's
because of the volume of balls coming his way. Does
that mean they have to draft a big wide receiver, right?
I mean in that because you're not gonna get anybody
to sign there. I would agree with that. I don't
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think it's gonna be a really attractive place for an
alpha perimeter guy to go on free agency. But as
we've seen in college football, these receivers coming out are
way more advanced than they are years ago. So it's
not a It's not unheard of to find a guy
late in the first round, in the second round, even
the third round that can develop into a big perimeter threat.
And we saw last night with Tom Brady, number eight
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I can forget his name, Number eighteen, a guy that
he loves. That's their fifth guy. They got him. It
was in the third round. I mean that there's guys out,
there's so many people throwing the football, there's so many
talented guys playing on the edge on offense. Uh, you're identifying.
They do as a good job of anybody's identifying. And
then you merely invest into that guy and make him
a primary piece of your offense and he'll he'll compliment
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Hollywood Brown really well. Um they do that, and I
think they got a chance to expand their PASSENGNDL for
joining us on the Doug Out Live Show on Fox
Sports Radio. Um, what about Aaron Rodgers? What what do
you think of how they played against the Rams? Masterful
and I love how the floor is calling the game. Um,
Aaron's as good as anybody. If you were just to
(20:55):
go boundary, boundary, spread them out, throw the ball like
McCarthy did with We're still gonna put a big numbers.
He's still gonna be a efficient, he's still going to
protect the ball. But I think what La Fleur found was, Hey,
if we have to do that, we know we can,
but let's really play the game on our nerves. They're
run run action game. And how effective Aaron is and
that is phenomenal, especially for a good that hasn't spent
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his career doing it. Um, I mean, he's really become
the ball faith the past roles. I'm animulating back to
the defense. When you turn your head around, that first
look really affects the defense put conflict. So he's awesome
at coming up off the fake, staring down the right
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side and coming back to left and throwing a crossing route. Uh.
It allows those big receivers when when it's not just
going to Davante Adams, it allows those big guys to
get going down the field, get their momentum. Uh. It
just fits who they are, and Aaron is handled as
well as anybody in football. That's why he's going to
be the m v p um. They found that great
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combination of being explosive and safe at the same time,
like they don't. Again, the ball is never in question,
very rarely. Are you concerned with Green Bay turning it
over even though they have explosive qualities in the passing game.
How concerned would you be if you're the Rams long
term with Jared Golf I'm not. I'm not nearly as
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discerned as everybody else's. I don't know why I'm not
a I'm not an anti Jared Goff guy. I think
he needs to play the game a certain way. I
think there's a lot of quarterbacks that way. Um, when
they're rolling, when they have things going the way they want. Um,
he's a really effective quarterback. No, they're not as good
as a team as they have been in the past.
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I think quarterback gets kind of the face of the
brunt of that. But you know, offensively, they're not that great.
Offensive line is as good as they have been in
the past. They don't have an alpha wide receiver. They
have a bunch of slots playing wide receiver. Um, they
don't have great tight end play. They found the running
back which is awesome and cam Akers, but they're just
(23:04):
not as talented as they have in the past. They
were a defensive centric team and then their defense got
a little exposed um the other day. So I think
Jared's gonna be fine. I think they know that. And
by the way, they can't move on from me. And
he's got four years guaranteed on his contract. So the
whole Jared Goff's going somewhere else thing is just not
gonna happen. Married to Jared. They made that decision. And
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the way when you marry somebody and they aren't what
you signed up for, you got to do things to
make a person better, and they are five ways to
make their better. Huge steps for Cleveland this year, I
think everybody would have got I mean huge steps. If
you're with Cleveland today and you're looking at the film
with Kevin Stevanski says all right, what do we need
to do for that next level? What do you do?
(23:49):
I think they're pretty close. Um, I think they found
their identity. I think Stefanski did an incredible job with
that football team, just as just their culture for anything else.
I know we throw that word around, but their vibe,
their environment, their buy in, their camaraderie, their chemistry, you know,
put a bunch of words on it. I think what
he did there is phenomenal. Um. I'm sitting in the
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office one of the greatest Browns of all time in
philled Austin, and he's excited about what they're doing. And
you know, he never got to experience that type of culture. UM.
And I think that's number one. I think from a
talent standpoint, they have all the pieces you're looking for.
I mean they can run, number one. They got a
great runner, and they got a good offensive line. They
can run the rock. They found out what Baker does well,
(24:34):
and that's action pass plays under center pretty well. Um,
when decisive, as accurate as anybody Um has been clutched
for him. I'm I'm high on Baker Mayfield. Defensively, they're
building a monster. In fact, I'd go all in on
defense if I'm the Browns. I'm comfortable with my offense.
I'll draft guys late to be supplemental guys, but I'm
(24:55):
adding more pieces at defense. Take it from really good
to great, Like just decide, Hey, we're playing in a
division where you have bad weather. Um, the division winners
for years upon years have come from great defenses. Let's
make our identity around building the best defense and football
and invest our resources into that. And I think offensively
they have enough to complement that and go win a
(25:18):
championship if they go excuse me my voice, that sounded
like yours, go all in on the defensive side of
the ball. Uh. Yeah, that's that's Uh, that's it's it's
it's not it's not COVID. It's coaching that youth basketball
games in loud. Jim's that's that's exactly what that is.
So love yea, Yeah, TV, great stuff as always, Thanks
(25:39):
so much for joining us. You're the best man talk
to you. Be sure to catch the live edition of
The Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at three p m.
Easter noon Pacific. Here's what always happens, usually for like
a day. I really love what Dan Buyer said last hour.
He's like, look at Jared Cook fumbles, Like I felt
like the deciding factor because if he didn't watch the game,
(26:01):
you know, like Saints are upset, you know, Saints lost.
Tom Brady was terrific he was efficient. They turned it
over and you look at the final score like, well,
they were probably up ten fifteen points and then because
the turnovers, then they scored some points late at an
onside kick and it didn't work like that's that what happened.
They're up seven. Jerick Cook catches the ball, runs and
(26:22):
then fumbles dramatically changes the game. The same could also
be said for the Kancie Chiefs and the Cleveland Browns.
Mahomes obviously went out with I guess being choked out
would be Chattahenny does just enough and they go for
it on fourth down when they just need one stop
and they can't get that one stop. But lost in
(26:42):
it was a fumble, and of course the Browns, you know,
you fumble the ball into and out of the end zone,
it's not only a turnover, but a touchback, and the
Chiefs get it at the twenty yard line. This is
Kevin Stevanski talking about the fumble after the game. Honestly,
I didn't see the replay. I was told about it,
(27:05):
but I'll let the league handle those type of things.
You know, I will never ever doubt or shard higgins
effort or our guys effort are rule there is not
to reach the ball out its first and goal and
he knows that. So again I appreciate his effort. He
battled like he always does. But we've got to fight
that arth because it's such a big loss if it
does end up being a touchback now now loss than
(27:25):
it was. I mean, it appeared to be you know,
a head shot right um, And and that's really I
mean that that's the problem, the ambiguity with the rule,
which is like, all right, there's not supposed to be
any ambiguity. If you go a helmet to helmet, then
then there's a penalty and you can clearly see in
the replay. But the bigger I think discussion is also
(27:47):
is about the touchback rule right by or where are
you on as as our as our rules expert, where
are you? Where are you on? The on the touchback? Well,
to give you a short answer, I think that the
rule should be changed. I do have a solution for it,
but I do think that it's a bad rule. Okay, Um,
(28:07):
we'll come back to you one sure, that's fine. I
figured that was the case. Music Where are you? I'm
a dan where I think that there's just needs to
be a change to the rule. I think it's something
that needs to be revisited in the off season. Okay,
but do you have do you mean I do have
a couple of ideas and how it can Okay, buyre
(28:29):
let's okay. So my general take is My general take
is I think it's a like a it's too punitive. Right. First,
keep in mind, it's the only time in the sport
where you get control of the ball and a turnover
when you didn't actually control the football. Like I think
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that's probably the biggest issue because it's like, Okay, I
get that the end zone is sacred, but why do
you get a turnover when you didn't actually secure the ball.
There's no other place in the football field where that
is actually the case. There's a problem there for me.
And then when you do get the ball, you don't
get at the spot of the fumble. You get at
the twenty yard line. So now it becomes not only
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incredibly punitive losing a football that the other team did
not gain, but you also give them some nineteen and
a half yards usually which they did not earn. So
if you get come up with a viable solution, I'm
all ears go Dan by my solution, and I did
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just a plug for my Sunday show with George roy
Stir because the game was happening when our show was
going on, so the fumble happened earlier, the point being,
as we got into a heated discussion, My UH point was,
I believe that no offensive fumbles should be able to
be advanced by the offensive team. So under this scenario,
(29:53):
Doug the any this would allow any fumble to not
be picked up by an offensive player and advanced for
further yardage, which would then wait, that's the ruined college,
right I believe, Yeah, And so it takes care of
a lot of different things, but most importantly it puts
a blanket over all the different sort of fumble scenarios
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that you have. Because the fumble scenario that happened in
Cleveland in Kansas City yesterday is different than a fumble
that would happen under two minutes, different than a fumble
that would happen, you know, on fourth down. Different, There's
so many different fumble scenarios that I think that that
is part of the problem, and this would be a
way to cure that. Because I agree with you that
(30:38):
if the big deal. If the defense forced the fumble,
you should have to recover the fumble to gain any
benefit from it, right, Okay, So so you're you're putting
like a moratorium on any advancing advancing of a fumble forward.
And so then the if you fumble at the one
foot line and it goes to the end zone, who
gets the ball? If it then then it would just
(31:00):
be dead at the spot of the foul, with the
offensive team retaining possession from that spot of the fumble. Okay.
So so like let's say it was third and five
would be it would be fourth in an inch, right,
fourth in an inch, and it would be the offensive
ball again. Yes, okay, I don't know if I love that,
(31:21):
only in that now we've rewarded a team that fumbled
a football. I get that that would be like what
it is from for the rest, but there is this
feeling go ahead. But I was just gonna say, if
there's another scenario where let's say Richard Higgins fumbled at
the twenty eight yard line and it moves up to
the twenty six yard line on a second down, they
get the football to the the twenty six yard line, so
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why should they get the two extra yards for fumbling forward.
If if it just went out of bounds at that
point on a fourth down, you can't fumble forward. You'd
have to be the one to recover it yourself. And
that under two minutes, same sort of thing. That's the
profits there to me to take care of it and
to take care of what happened yesterday. Just don't allow
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the offensive team to advance a fumble and if the
defense happens to recover it in the field deployed perfect,
it's their football. But otherwise it's dead at the spot
of the fumble. Uh um music is that? Is that
your solution as well? Another that is not my solution.
My solution would be, um, it penalizes the offense for
fumbling by you get the ball back, but it's still
(32:27):
considered a touch back, so you have to go and
take it from either the twenty or I know, technically
a touch back now is the twenty five yard line.
So there's the chance that in that Higgins situation, you've
taken the ball from much further out from the twenty
yard line and you've gotten it all the way up
to the point to where you almost scored a touchdown.
(32:48):
Now your punishment for fumbling that close to the goal line,
and it maintains this idea that the goal line is
somehow sacred. Is we're not going to give you the
ball back on the one yard line you can maintain possession.
Now you have to back up outside of the red
zone to the twenty five yard line, which is somewhat
beneficial to the defense at the same time because as
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you said, you didn't ever regain possession of the ball,
so I can't give you the ball, but you did
not get free, and so your benefit is now instead
of having to try and defend the goal line first
and goal from the one, you now have twenty five
yards and several downs to try and prevent the defense
from actually getting into the end zone. I like Ryan's
(33:30):
rule better. I I like that way. That rule better
that And then it's equally punitive. Let's say it's like
second and goal from the one and then you fumble.
What your punishment is now you're no longer it'll be
third and goal, but from the that's your punishment. Yeah,
I get, we'll go ahead. I just I don't. I
don't see that is a I don't believe that the
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end zone is this sacred area. I think that if
the ball bounces a half inch one way as opposed
to maybe another, you're getting the ball the half yard
line as opposed to giving the football back um to
another team like the we're like we if the ball
goes out at the half yard line, then it's still
Cleveland's ball. If it goes out of the end zone,
(34:13):
it's now the defenses. And if you were to do
your scenario now, you're still penalizing the offense twenty yards
for something that a they really didn't do wrong even
though they lost possession of the football, and on other
spots of the field they could actually gain more from it.
Like that's that's why I just don't I get again,
(34:34):
I I get, I get what you're saying. I understand,
but we also have to admit that if you gain
one yard anywhere else in the field, you don't get points.
If you gain one yard at the one yard line,
you get six points. So there is a value to
that area of real estate, right, I mean, it's in
the old it's location, location, location. Now that that's what
(34:54):
the argument is. By the way, I don't think the
rule is changing. And every time this happens in a
big game, we talk about changing the rule that this
reminds me of. It reminds me of minds you of.
For my lifetime, Dick Vital has been calling games on
ESPN and he always wants to change the tie up rule. Oh,
change that rule, change that rule. Right, have you noticed
(35:15):
nobody changed that rule? Have you noticed? Now? Granted it's
not points are not decided on jump balls for the
most point, and nobody actually wants to see the old
throw it up jump all into free throw line, semicircle.
But the point is that we are yelling, we are
streaming at the at the sky at things that won't change.
That said, I like Ryan's because this is a little
(35:38):
bit like, um, it's a little bit like Shoots the Ladders.
You guys are playing shooting and ladders with the kids.
Right this, I was like, oh man, I gotta go
back to the start. Are you kidding me? I gotta go.
But at least, at least you don't like lose the game,
whereas you know the way it is now you're going
to the end zone, like you lose the ball and
(35:58):
you lose all that yardage. That that sounds crazy. Well,
I also think, let's say you take a quarterback and
you you sack him at his own thirty five yard line,
and he fumbles the football and then an offensive lineman
picks it up and runs a ten yards to the
forty five yard line. The as the you know, defense,
he just kind of like great, you know, like here,
here's there's nobody else back there. He fumbles in a
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guy picks it up and runs a ten yards. Yeah,
it's tough, beans, but the defense ends up getting penalized
for making a great play while the offense didn't do
anything to deserve except having a guy somewhere in the
area being able to pick the football up and getting
ten yards back that you would have originally lost if
you just put all the fumbles in the same sort
of category. We're not having discussions on is it before
(36:42):
two minutes? Is it after two minutes? Is it fourth downd?
Is it not fourth downd? Is the goal line? Is
it the not go line? Just don't have the ability
to advance it. And I think it just clears up
a lot for the NFL to to have to deal with.
That's that's just where I am. I think it's a
bigger picture and actually think it will be discussed this
off season because of where it happened and when it
happened in a playoff game on national TV. You know
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that's happened before the playoff game in national TV. Um, yeah,
I know that that's what well that scenario or are
you just talking about look them looking at a rule? Both? Okay,
because I think that things changed with the Rams and Saints.
I think that we have we have seen bad calls
in the NFL and then all of a sudden that
ends up happening. Yeah, exactly, but I will all would
(37:28):
go back. Yeah, but it doesn't doesn't change that they
looked at it and actually did change it. And also,
this play is is rare enough where you're not going
to have like twenty cases throughout a season where there
would be you know, four or five scenarios. The worst
call ever was the Austin Seferian Jenkins Jets Patriots call,
you know and like and and that to me is
reasonab enough to be like, wait a second here, how
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are we really judging this rule and what is the
true intent of this sort of rule? And if you
can eliminate scenarios like that, Um, to me, it's worth it.
Let's put it that way music. Would you would you
like to add on or take away or or or
or contradict that in any way? Uh No, I mean
I just think I I tend to more align because
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I think what the issue is a lot of what
I saw on Twitter with some former players was there
are so many rules now in the game that benefit
the offense. This is the one rule that benefits the defense.
So I get that, and I do think there's something
too that when you consider, you know, half the league
is going to be defensive players who where if you
(38:36):
change the rule a certain way, they may look at
this and go, oh, here we go. Just another thing
that's going to try and benefit all the offensive players.
It's all about the wide receivers and the quarterbacks. Nothing
for us. So I think if you're trying to at
least meet in the middle, you may be able to
appease both sides with like, look, we can't give you
possession of the ball because you never really gained possession.
(38:56):
It just rolled out of bounds out of the back
of the end zones, So we can't give you the ball.
But we'll do is we'll back them up outside of
the red zone. That at least gives you a chance
to prevent them from scoring a touchdown. Yeah, so I
guess that that's the other part is that's the only
other option there, okay, which is giving the defense the ball,
but give it at the spot where the ball was fumbled.
That's the only other if you you know that basically
(39:17):
we we've hit on all three possibilities, which is buyers
is give the ball back to the offense where it
was fumbled. Mine would be give it to the defense
where it was fumbled. And music would be and I'm
actually a little bit more aligned with musics maybe than
my own, which would be keep it with the offense,
but but have it like a touch back. What what
happens if you're inside the twenty and that happens? What
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do you mean like if the players run from the
eight yard line and you fumbled, you move back to
the twenty? Then yes, And then if it's like I
really get a fumble from the eight yard line? You know,
how did it? Know? But not the meaning the play is?
You know, the play is a guy is reaching over
from the goal line and tries to the ball where
it's wherever. No, it's wherever the ball wherever they lost
(40:03):
control of football for But if that's the college rule,
the college rule that you're you're proposing, okay, is that
you can't dance a fumble, So you go back Ryan's proposal.
Like Ryan's proposal is to bring it back from the
twenty yard line. Yesterday's play happened at one, Like the
forty yard line is where the line of scrimmage was.
(40:23):
So what about if the Browns, like, so, they're gonna
lose twelve yards on the play? Correct? Yes, yes, I
would say that's correct. That is your quote unquote punishment
for fumbling the ball out of the back of the
end zone. You're gonna in that case, you would be
from the eight large yard line. Yes, you would be
losing yardage for fumbling the football into the back of
(40:45):
the end zone. Now, the benefit would be in the
event of this Brown's play would be you get to
maintain possession of the football and you actually netted twenty
yards since the play started from the fourth Yeah. See,
And this is this is why I like my rule
is because there's so many different kind of fumble rules
depending on time and location. And if you just did
it my way, which I feel is the best way,
(41:06):
then all the fumbles are just they're treated equally, they're
treated equally, and all fumbles not equal under the law.
I don't know, I'm confusing. That's that's just how I look.
I think that the fumble is not the same. That
there's a tuck rule play this weekend, right, everybody hates
the there's you can have you can have a tuck rule.
(41:27):
That that fumble is different than other fumbles. Um, there's
you know, uh, there's when you if you get the football,
we don't make a football move and you fumble it
and you don't necessarily security you don't have a completed pass.
Like I actually don't believe that all fumbles are created.
Then we had the Giants games at the last game
of the season where apparently you can secure a football
(41:49):
by simply sitting on the football. I didn't know that
could take place, but that's what the ruling was
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!