All Ball - Gottlieb to UW Green Bay Deep Dive w/ Jeff Goodman & Terrence Oglesby - The Doug Gottlieb Show

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Hey, what, I welcome and I'm Doug Gollie. This is
all fall and uh, yep, it really happened. I'm really
a Division one men's at basketball coach. It does I
have goosebumps even saying it, No, really like I have

(00:27):
goosebumps on my arm. I'm sure if you go goose bumps,
some of you would say goose pimples or heard I've
heard that one before. So here's what we're going to
do this on this podcast. I'll tell you a little
bit about what the experience has been like. It's been
overwhelming is a word. And then we have two interviews

(00:53):
with two of my dear friends, both of whom I've
joined on their podcast Field of sixty eight, and I
told them in real time exactly what was going down,
and it was like embargo. So I think you're going
to enjoy it, but a lot of people want to know, like,
what is this all like? So I can't believe this

(01:16):
is Friday morning, and last Friday morning my life was normal.
I was living in southern California. I was very much
planning on being at by Coastal but had two locations.
It's going to actually move part of the operation to

(01:37):
Oklahoma and also keep a place in southern California. But
on Thursday, Jeff Linder of course left Wyoming and het
a Texas Tech and I had a sneaking suspicion that
Sundan Swicks would get the Wyoming job. On Friday at

(01:57):
twelve oh four, twelve four, how do I know it's
twelve be four? That's because my radio show starts at
twelve o'clock on the West coast terrreust Real part of
the radio show. And at twelve before my phone rang
and I couldn't answer. And when I circled back and
talked to Josh Boon, who's now my boss, the only

(02:20):
thing he told me was that Wyoming had reached out
to ask permission to talk to his coach, and so
he was trying to prepare himself for the possibility of
an opening happit. The weekend was a blur. My poor mother,

(02:46):
who had to wait probably forty five minutes for me
to get off the phone as I was trying to
figure out who was available in the portal and what
I was walking into. Sunday morning, Mother's Day and Sunday night,
it became much more of reality Monday night, I actually
signed the memo of understanding, and Tuesday morning, I was

(03:11):
officially offered the men's head coaching job. And I guess
let me start with a couple of thank you and
then a little bit of an explanation. So I have
a lot of people think and I'm sure I'm going
to forget some people, but I really want to thank
Jeff Goodman you here on this pod, because Jeff has

(03:36):
been the sole reason that I've done our stadium show
over the past two years, which is so much fun
to do I which is so much fun. And look,
I know that Jeff he at times likes to create
enemies where they don't previously exist because he likes to

(03:58):
do it his way and doesn't really care. Like Jeff's
good with me, He's good people. I understand that that
there's a competitiveness in his field, and that competitiveness, you
know Matt Orlander, John Rosstein, even Rob Demofski of course

(04:18):
covers the Packers for UH for ESPN. He reached out
to me, and Rob, I apologize to you. I haven't
haven't texted you back. And to the I think I
counted there was fifty seven sitting head coaches that have
said that have texted me, and I don't know what's

(04:40):
up on my phone. Like I had twenty one text
messages over this week, the new text messages, and I
thought I had knocked a bunch of them out last night.
And I think I think I got I'm looking at
him and they say it's it's all done. I think
I I returned every text, but I don't know if

(05:03):
I missed you. I apologize sincerely. But to those guys
say fifty seven, I think I had written out it's
fifty seven sitting head coaches and thank you. I understand
in the field of broadcasting, guys skip steps to it.
It pisses people off, like dude, I've been doing this

(05:23):
a long time. Guy retires from the NBA or coach
retires from college basketball and he jumps the line. It
doesn't feel fair, And to that I can only say
I do understand. But I also think that if you've
followed this story for this week and you've seen how

(05:45):
big a deal it's become, you understand why I've been
able to cut the line right Because there's other things
I can bring to the table that other people cannot.
I'm going to continue this podcaster, so people know we're
going to continue doing interviews with all stuff basketball, all
parts of basketball, and you know we will we know

(06:07):
where the third rail topics are in terms of violating
NCAA rules and then violating just the rules of good taste.
But other than that, we're going to have a lot
of pub with probably more fun with it than we
we've ever had previous because now I'll be able to
tell you stories of what it's actually like. Man, it's crazy.

(06:29):
I just I can't. I I was walking on the
beach and John Fantai I talked to him about the
story as I was walking on the beach Sunday, trying
to just like clear my head. I just it was
a beautiful Sunday in Newport Beach, and I was so
stressed and because one I couldn't tell people I wanted

(06:50):
to tell, but I had to have a sort of
a plan, and then plans kind of evolve and change.
But I'm walking on the beach on Sunday and I
was like, I'm gonna put my phone in my pocket
and I'm just gonna be like twenty thirty minutes and
just be And I was like, well, you know, I'll

(07:12):
put my I'll put my earbuds in, I'll listen to
some music. And so I put on some some R
and B and I'm walking and the phone rings. Of
course it's connected to the bluetoothing. Its Josh Pastor. He's
like your phone going crazy. Yet I was like, now, yet,

(07:32):
it's like, dude, just take a breath. Is going to
get insane. And you know, sometimes people say like, you
know it's going to get saying like, Okay, I can
handle it. I've handled lots of stuff. I'd never say
anything like and you know what am I going to say?

(07:53):
You know, I know I can coach, I know I
can get guys. The question is can we properly value
the right guys that we can get here and then
I put them in the right position to succeed. So
this pod is still going to be about connecting with
all kinds of sports stories, right all ball, especially focusing
on basketball. And I'll take you kind of through the journey.

(08:18):
And so the journey goes a little something like this.
We had it embargoed and was supposed to be until
three o'clock Central time, four o'clock East Coast time, one
o'clock local, so I was going to do an hour
of radio and then drop the story. The issue became
that it got out and I don't truly know. I mean,

(08:41):
I guess I could know, but whatever, So the problem
is I don't I don't have an agent, Curly wasn't
using an agent, so they didn't get it from my agent.
They didn't get it for me because I didn't return
anybody's call, returning based text apologize since but I didn't
at the time. And I know that Josh mun Is,

(09:02):
my boss, didn't tell anybody because they don't have his number,
and he told me he didn't tell anybody, But in
an effort to try and get the best quotes as possible,
I sent text messages, and those text messages end up.
I'm sure it just takes one guy to tell Rosstein,

(09:25):
Phanta Norlander what's going to happen. But they didn't get
any confirmation, so and then you know, Jeff went with
it a little bit early, even though I never confirmed
until after we made the press release. The point is
that what I've come to learn through the process is

(09:46):
you can walk yourself through terms. You can even kind
of agree to most terms. You can sign a memo
of understanding this AMU and still not be actually offered
the job. I wasn't offered the job until Monday morning
at five forty in the morning, and then Josh was like, dude,

(10:07):
I thought you'd have a little bit more energy. I said, Josh,
it's five forty in the morning and I haven't slept
for three days. So look, I'm following a guy that
had a remarkable well of energy as well and sundance works.
I wish him and whoever goes with him to Wyoming

(10:27):
for the best. But we have to take what he
did and continue it, prove on it, and hopefully take
that next big step, which is really really hard to do.
And you know, May fifteenth coaching changes. Maybe that allows

(10:51):
you a simple way, maybe it doesn't. But I want
people to know is the number one thing I want
people to know one thing. After eight years ago, I
interviewed for the Oaklhom State job. Mike Boyden got if
you want, thank you, thank you to Mike. Mike's a friend,
good man. Nah, he's a great man, good basketball coach.

(11:14):
Michigan's better for having him. But Mike got the job
and I didn't. And I'm sure there's more reasons than
just the one I'm gonna give you. But I got
a chance to interview for the job. And when I
interviewed for the job, you know, the big question was
could I run a program? Could I run a program?

(11:36):
And so what I did was I I went to
Kinko's and I printed out headshots and coaches I was
going to hire. I did a PowerPoint presentation as to
exactly how it would work, exactly what the staff would
look like, what players who would keep, what players would
go after, what players were going to transfer in right away,

(11:59):
Who are going to play, where we're going to play,
how we're going to play, what the defense looked like,
what the offense look like? You name it. But you
know what that wasn't That wasn't me. That wasn't me.
I did a TV show on CBS Sportsnam. I signed
the deal and left ESPN and I love my time,

(12:23):
and you know, the the thought that I could have
my own TV show. I got a chance to host
it with incredible talent in Ali the Force. But you know,
the show we did, we did a great job with
but it wouldn't have been the show that I wanted
to create. And so I had a TV show. It

(12:45):
wasn't why exactly maybe even close to what I wanted
to do as a TV show. Now, look again, I'm
very understanding. I'm not that high a ranking of talent
I can. But here's the point, I'm only going to
get one shot steal. Yeah, I mean obviously hopefully this
one shot lasts for twenty years. But I gotta do

(13:09):
it by way. So if it's a little bit different,
if it's not like everybody else does it. Okay, you
know when I did our press conference, I didn't want notes.
I want to do it my way. I want to
tell stories. I'm a storyteller. That's what I've done in

(13:29):
the media, storyteller. Yeah, I give opinions, we all do.
But this quest is not really about ego. It's about passion.
It's about the players, and honestly, like I just want
them to have what I've been in. And I think

(13:53):
the last week is the perfect example. College basketball actually
basketball as a community has wrapped their arms, right. I
mean Rick Patino tweets at me. I vaguely know coach Patino.

(14:15):
I've called two of his games in my lifetime. We like,
I mean, I did the Final Four when he was
when he wanted a little bit but two games in
person and came in and watched his practices. And I
remember when he's a Kentucky and I wanted to recruit
me and he did not. Uh, they had Wayne Turner instead.

(14:39):
I think that worked out pretty well for them. But
from Lon Krueger to Tom Izzo to Chris Beard, uh
to Steve Lutz oh Man, like I could go, like
I go through these conferences, it's amazing Dust Team, Ay,

(15:04):
Kim English, Randy Bennett, Steve Lavin and on and on
on and on on, like you wrapped your arms around me,
you let me into the club, you wish me. Well,
that's all what this is about. Okay, basketball is family.

(15:31):
Is a dysfunctional family. Okay, steal each other's players, steal
each other's jobs. We'll steal each other's play calls. And
so what I want for these kids is to somehow
and they won't all, they won't all, but I want

(15:53):
these kids to feel the love from basketball at some
point in their life. The other question that I'm on
is what I'll call the Cordero Barkley question. But Deerrick
Barkley is six foot five former player at Green bay Racy, Wisconsin.

(16:14):
He is a brilliant businessman and he is the model
for what I want a Green Bay Phoenix player to be.
And by that I mean a guy who comes and
plays and then builds a life for himself, and then

(16:35):
he'll build a life for the next guy, who then
builds a lighte for the next guy, who then builds
a life for the next guy. That's how it used
to work, Mia Colmastay guys. Cowboys hire cowboys. I've told
them I have five spots on my staff, so I

(16:59):
may not be able to hire you on my staff,
but I will find you a job in Green Bay.
I will find you a job in our athletic offices.
I don't care if you need one, because that's what
we're supposed to do. If you're in need, and then
we help grow you and every player I play for.

(17:20):
If you do things the right way, I'm going to
help you. That's what I learned from my dad. That's
what I've learned from all these coaches. That's how it's
really supposed to work. We're all going to try and
do the We're all going to try and make guys
like Cordero Barker guys like myself, who build on their

(17:41):
career into their actual life that actually matters. So that's
the quest. But we dropped the news at noon instead
of at one. The phone exploded. My radio show was

(18:01):
done at two local times. I had a three to
twenty five flight at a burbank and I went the
long way and said the short way, which is not
a long drive. It's like a twenty minute drive. But
still I check in, I'm scrambling, then I'm flying, and
I landed and I got into I got into Milwaukee late,

(18:24):
and then I get into my hotel room at like
two third in the morning in Green Bay. And to
say it's a whirlwind doesn't even match up to the
word whirlwind. But it's been awesome. It's been freaking awesome.
I got lots of cool gear. Folks in Adidas have

(18:45):
told me they're going to hook me up. So and
then I want to run a couple of things by it, okay, sayings,
I want what do you guys think of our arena
being the Tundrado And when people say welcome the touch
and when you sign you're welcome to the toun, I
like that right first, and tons of Grandpa Limbo for you.

(19:10):
I don't know. We're gonna try and do some fun.
So before we drop these interviews, which are really cool,
I am tired. But the second I get my coffee,
I'm up and I'm going and I cannot wait to
hit the road and recruit and thank so many of
these coaches that have been so cool to me. And
if I haven't gotten back with you yet, if I

(19:32):
haven't called you back yet, just know like I'm trying.
I'm trying. It's just hard. I gotta get my roster,
keep my roster of my guys, and then build add
add on even more, add my roster with my coaching staff.
We got to have a basketball camp. I have a

(19:53):
daughter going to prom. I have another daughter and a
horse show. I got a son who just lost his
You coach, and I gotta smile on my face. So
I'm gonna screw some things up. I'm gonna do some
things awesome. But I made up my mind that I'm
gonna do it the way that I want to do it.

(20:15):
I'm not gonna apologize. I want to hire people that
I trust, people that are awesome, people that are all
all for this. So that's where we are. We're in
Green Bay, freaking Wisconsin. And I gotta tell you this, obviously,
the people are wonderful, Like they're just incredible. Have you

(20:38):
guys ever heard of Door County in Wisconsin? Holy shit,
it's like the prettiest place on earth, the Cape Cod
of the Midwest. Maybe I shouldn't tell you, but I'm
gonna go. Look at this little house, Pulsie. It's a
one point four miles from my campus. It's five minutes.

(20:59):
It's little on the water. It's cute, it's little. I
don't know, but I've always wanted to have house. Or
when I get up in the morning and having coffee,
look out and see the water. Right, got a doc?
Maybe I got a boat. I don't know. Who's got
time for a boat. I gotta get in the gym.

(21:21):
Let's get to this, let's get to these interviews. I
think you're appreciated. Terrence Oglesby is an awesome dude. Lady
Clemson coached and now is a fantastic broadcast. He didn't
have any idea that any of this ship was going down.
Here's my talk with him. I talk with Jeff could enjoy. Okay,

(21:45):
So t O and Mike, Uh, I'm gonna be the
new head coach in Wisconsin Green Bay.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
Is that real?

Speaker 1 (21:57):
That's real?

Speaker 2 (21:58):
No shit?

Speaker 1 (22:00):
What? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (22:02):
Okay, so how did this come about?

Speaker 1 (22:05):
I think I think you knew I was a finalist
for it last year, t O. So the athletic diarrector
is Josh Moon and uh, this is this is this
is like again we talked about relationships. So when when
he made a coaching change when he fired Will Ryan

(22:26):
last year, Like I think it was like in February.
I was doing a game in Wisconsin at at at
Madison and so I was like, hey man, you want
to grab a cup of coffee? And we like met
halfway and it was actually a really really funny meeting.
Like I was already parked. I got there super like
as t O. Both of you guys know, I'm fucking

(22:47):
terrible with time, okay, because I tell every I tell
everybody yes, and then I'm on the phone. And it's
not that I like, I s I'm terrible with him.
So because I knew I was meeting this guy for
the first time, like I gotta get there early. So
I literally like first got up and we say we're
meeting at like a thirty at like nine o'clock at
the Starbucks. I was probably there like eight fifteen, and

(23:09):
then I just did all my calls whatever. So he
hops out of his car and he does this gigantic
snot blow. Uh what do you guys call you guys
both in the South, like what do you call do
you call a stop blow? What do you guys call it?

Speaker 2 (23:23):
It's not rocket, That's what it is.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
Stop rocket, That's what I heard I do. It's not rocket,
It's it's like and I like walk up behind him,
was like, well shit, any you know, any ad you
can do a little stop blow and you know, like
you like it's like it's like catching a guy scratching
his balls, right like it? So yeah, so uh so anyway,

(23:51):
you know, last year I went up and met I
was doing a big ten tournament Chicago. I was the
Finally I drove up the night before selection Sunday, Saturday night,
and he gave me a little tour. I met with
the president. It was awesome, Mike Alexander and he's a

(24:12):
big music guy. We talked a ton of music. My
daughter's going to music school. And then the next day
I met with the committee, met with Josh and then
you know. He called me a couple of days later,
and then what they do then was they send you
and I don't know if you know this. I'd never
seen this before, but I guess at different levels of
college basketballs, what they do is they'll send all the

(24:33):
finalists like a contract and you got to sign it
so that they know if we call like we don't
want to offer you the job, and you you know
em and Hall whatever, You're like, you want this job.
You got to say you want this job. So like
I have that email with my contract, with the contract
from last year. And then he called me and he's like, look,

(24:54):
I thought you did a great job. You won everybody over,
you got a true vision for it. I think your
plan will be a good one. I'm going to go
with Sundance. He's been a head coach. I've worked with
him before. He's got a ton of energy, he's got
a good plan. And he's like it was really close,
and I was like, and the way in which he

(25:14):
handled it was so again, this is what we're talking
about relationships. Was so honest and up front. There was
just no bullshit to it at all. Sure, I was like,
I like this guy a lot so you know throughout
the year when they were successful and Sundance did a
great job, he's horising League Coach of the Year. I
just went to National Coach of the Year stuff. They

(25:35):
both got extensions, which is you know, a sign of
your doing something right. So you know, we continued a
relationship and you know, as obviously this has dropped now.
Sundance when when the Wyoming job came available because Jeff
Linder left to go to Texas Tech, had I had

(25:56):
a sink, a sneaking suspicion that Sundance and said Sonny
would get the Wyoming job. And so Sonny got the
Wyoming job, and Josh called me and said, hey, are
you still interested? And we talked through a bunch of stuff.
And so so I'm still gonna do my pod, this podcast,

(26:16):
I'm still gonna do my radio show, and I'm going
to be a head coach at you WA Green Bay,
and you allow me to have what I think is
a really good staff. And so this is where I
kind of like, I want a little bit of your
advice because you've been on the staff and you've played
so without mean saying names. Because my guys have mostly

(26:39):
agreed to sure the ballpark of where we are. You know,
obviously finances at that level are hard. So here's my thinking. Hey,
I always and I always say this, but I really
mean it, Like you have to know enough about what
you don't know and then hire people who oh bingo.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
Yeah. My dad used to say, I don't need to
be the smartest guy in the room. I got to
be able to regulate the smartest guys in the room.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
Yeah, that's a great way.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
To Yeah, that's that's my line. Yeah. My dad was
the CEO of a company, I want to say for
ten years. He had just got out and then passed away,
like almost pretty close to right after. But he had
he had some guys.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
That thought cancer, cancer, heart.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
Attack right out of nowhere. He was in great shape.
He looked like Zeus. My dad was six or eight.
I think you met him, Doug. I think you met
him in Puerto Rico. But uh, he's you know. He
had an accountant, he had his lawyers. They all thought differently.
They were all very combative, but he embraced the combativeness
because he realized he needed all those ideas. So I think,

(27:46):
as long as you regulate those guys and keep him
from killing each other. I think like hard conversations are
a good thing, and if I were going to be you,
I would get some guys that thought differently, like I
need one guy that's just well, I want to slow
it down. I want guys to speak like it's hard.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
So okay, So here's here's my here's my plan. Okay, okay,
and we'll see if it comes to fruition to be
that play. So my associate head coach and everybody's gonna
ask me what to be your brother and it just
doesn't work for him, location wise and and and family stuff.

(28:25):
He would be amazing and so you know, it's like
what we talked about is like, look, this might not
It might not be this year, might not be next year.
He can if he tells me somebody is getting fired,
because I would love to have him. It just doesn't
really work for him, you know, financially at this point,
he's been in the state of California with the exception

(28:46):
of the three years at GCU, and he has all
those years of crude in terms of retirement, he has
you know, three kids that are still two in high school,
one in middle school. So sure doesn't really work for him.
So my associated coach and hopefully at the time this
drops is somebody I've worked with. I think knowing somebody

(29:07):
is a big thing. And look, I'm going to talk
to a bunch of people. I'm not completely sold on
all of who I want to hire because there's other
people that but I do think you have to really
know trust each other, like knowing and trusting and understanding
having a relationship pre existing relationship is it's not it's

(29:32):
it's important.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
It's not paramount.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
But I mean that was actually the word good good
to you. I was gonna use that word paramount. I
was exactly what I was going to say, but I
was trying to think, but it's very important. Yes, so
I and he would also be in my associate in
my defense apporting I wake up in the morning thinking
about offensive basketball, you know, like I actually have this

(29:57):
notepad next to my bed and been in mine was
over and they were like the fuck is that? Yeah?
And I was like, uh, do you really want to know?
Like yeah, I was like, that's a five out in
delay that.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
Was about dude. I I swear to you, I was
just watching delay action. Uh, Mark Pope's delay action with
Khalifa and all that stuff. I would not not. Thirty
minutes ago, I was watching how Kentucky would do if
they had multiple bigs, if you went a horizon with
multiple bigs. I was watching delay action, and I was like,
I bet a notepad's full of delay action ideas and

(30:33):
how he's going to teach it.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
So it's so funny. So I have this, so I
I actually really I think AU basketball, I'm thinking I
don't know as well really prepare as really prepared me
for this because in AU basketball, yes, the level of
coaching and coaching against is not great. Right, Like you
can run a lot, you can run a lot of

(30:55):
simple actions and like I literally score a wide open
shadow layup out of every time out and every you'll
be if they just do I just say, like, just
do what I'm asking you to do. I'm this is for you.
I'm going to give you a wide open Just fucking
do what I ask you to do, and you will
get a shot. But I don't know. I can't tell

(31:18):
you how many times I have a tournament and I
don't know who's going to be playing until fucking layup lines,
because you know, sometimes they show, sometimes they don't, and
you have to adjust on the fly anyway. But but
I I love running five out stuff and I've been
kind of experimenting peatradition in it with my with my

(31:39):
youth teams and so uh I was talking to them
the other last night and they were like, uh yeah,
well at eleven forty at night, you wrote that like
this is what you're supposed to be doing. So I'm
an offensive guy. I know what my strengths are. I'm
really good at building culture because I do think I

(32:00):
have the obviously to go to communicate, but also you know,
like I can. I want to coach the way I
want to be coached, you know. I want to be
coach hard but fair. And I think one of the
things I do the best job of with the kids
is like when the game's over and the practice is over,
like I don't carry that over.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
In our conversation, that's huge.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
We talked about it. It's over all, right, let's go
have some let's go like be human beings and like
you want to go watch a ball game or you
want to go you know, so it and it's some
of those guys that will hit them like a like
a you know, like a lead balloon. It'll go over
like a lead balloon. But I think most guys will
late too. So my associate coach is going to be
somebody I worked with before. I trust, and while I'm

(32:46):
doing the radio show, they can kind of man the
con my I will have a coach on staff. So again,
so my so t you, I don't know if you know. Yep,
he's awesome, awesome, awesome and really good on the road recruiting,

(33:08):
really good at defense. And what I like about his
how he implements the defense is I can understand it. No,
that's huge, and because because how I how I like
to coach when you have a real staff is like
what he says goes, and then I back it up

(33:31):
with everything. You know, I that I understand what he
wants and I agree with it, or you know, I
agree with it enough to where that's what we're doing.
So I agree with it, and then I support him.
And but you can't support somebody's ideas if you don't
understand them yourself. Sure, you know, So the defensive calls
are simple. The philosophy is pretty simple anyway. And then

(33:54):
I'm trying to get my my high school coach who
went on to become a four time state champion junior
college coach to also be on my staff. He's retired
technically from his two jobs, although he's coached at a
high school kind of helping out the last two years.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
Yeah, he's your old head.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
Yeah, and he's I mean, he's coached every level in
one and he's awesome, and he's great at teaching toughness
and unbelievable. And I need somebody to do. Hey, man,
I need a practice plan. I need And there's many
times when frankly, like I'm on the recorded recruiting, I
want to run practice you too, You guys got it,

(34:35):
and then I'll see if this one works out. But
I have a there's a guy who play who my
brother recruited, I've known for he played for my dad
and AU. He may even play for me and AU.
And he's an assistant at that level, really really good

(34:56):
with players, really really good player development, and a really
really good dude. There's one guy on staff that's local
that I want to keep. And then I have I
have a guy who's my like dobo slash assistant who's
just an energizer bunny. Yeah, and uh, he will he

(35:19):
will make sure that I'm where I'm supposed to be
when I'm supposed to be there, and he's he's like
the most unbelievable. I'm a kid because he's younger than me,
and I'm actually I'm actually probably most excited to work
with him because he's going to make my life super simple. Yes,
well he's kind of doing a juggling.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
Yeah, sounds like you gotta figured out.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
Man.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
That's great. Now, how many? Well, it's it's you're perpetually
figuring it out. Did you get what I'm saying? Like,
the initial process is figured out?

Speaker 1 (35:49):
So?

Speaker 2 (35:49):
How many? You got a bunch of you? So you
just named four guys? You get three assistants in a
dobo anybody else on staff? Or is that is that
there's one more that was No.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
Four and one associate head coach yep, number two chair
who I I don't want to give that one away
because I don't have that one. I'm pretty close to
locked in or whatever, old head young guy who just
joined their staff. Okay, I would keep and then my
dobo slash. So there's five and me, so six six

(36:20):
full time emplays.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
There you go, man, this is awesome. There's breaking, groundbreaking
stuff and you're gonna be able to do the radio
and everything this way. Yes, yes, God bless you, man,
God bless you. That's gonna be tough.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
Okay, So what's tough about it? Now?

Speaker 2 (36:36):
Just I do think whenever I was on staff, I
do think there's much to do about nothing. Sometimes when
you're just kind of sitting in the office doing nothing,
I do think it's possible.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
I just fucking guys just bullshit all the time. There's
like so much and I understand like there actually is
a portion of that which is, like I know, it's
you're just bullshit and you're sitting around the office and
calling your buddies and coaching atter. But actually that is
kind of part of the job, which is it is
there's a relationship piece to the entire thing.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
Are you going to be somebody who adapts to somebody
or else? Are you going to make them adapt to you?
Because there's both ways, and both both ways have had success.
I'm just curious on how that would go with you.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
Well, it's it's a it's a great question. Okay. So
here's I believe the Belichick method is the best method,
which is, do whatever it takes to win any game,
got to be adaptable. Sure, got to be a doubt.
On the other hand, you have to have core principles right,
and you have to have I mean, you have to

(37:34):
have an offense. You have to have you know, like
what defense do we play? And my philosophy has always
been like, if you can't guard anybody a man a man,
what are we doing? You know? And of course, as
we know, there's all different kinds of vandom. So this

(37:55):
is a long answer to your question.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
But that's what I was hoping for. I was hoping for.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
But yeah, yeah, but yes, and yes, yeah, right, Like
I know what I want to run. I mean, I'm
generally again, I want to do five out, but I
got to see what my roster looks like, sure, in
order in terms of how I run five out, And
then I want to supply what I like to do
is I want to teach all the different options based

(38:21):
upon how they're going to play us, you know, Like
I know again this is where AU basketball and coaching
overseas and coaching all these games where it gives you
a little bit different perspective on things. But I know
a couple of different ways in which you can guard
what I want to do, and I want to provide
the escape routes for pressure, and then I want to

(38:43):
provide the options. Sure, but I think a big thing
is if you just have a Some coaches, as you know,
are set guys, set play guys. Some guys are hey,
we got an offense, we run it and we just
let them play.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
I want to do both. Okay, Obviously everybody's trying to
copy Ukon. Everybody wants to copy U kann Ey Connor Alabama. Right,
those are the those are the two best. And so again,
some of it's going to be based upon where I
where my team lands in terms of what the roster

(39:18):
looks like, of course, right, But you know, like you
talk about adaptable. When I coached in Israel, the first time,
I ran everything you know out of uh really like
a ball screen continuity. And the only thing I did differently,
which now people have started to do more and more,
is instead of constantly bringing the ball to the middle,

(39:39):
constantly coming off to the middle, then flipping it and
going down to the baseline on the on that ball screen,
big guys are playing on the string. Guards are you know,
three guards are playing together, you know, keep the floor spaced.
Since then, I've kind of evolved into a different so
I have when I got five out flow action. But
and so that's a staple that I think you can run.

(40:01):
But you have to supply your team with all the
mental ammo of Okay, I can read it and how
they're playing it, and this is what we do. If
they do this, we do this. If they do this,
we do this. And then you have to have calls
as well to help them along. It goes and I
can be able to read everything. Yeah, and then defensively, yeah,
do I want to be able to enforce our will? Yes? Yeah,

(40:24):
I mean like truth be told. I want to press,
I want to run, I want to get up into
people's asses. I want to force tempo. I want to
score a ninety points game. But you know, all those
things are great, but if I don't have the personnel
for it, sure, here's the person for it.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
You're just basically opening the floor, like.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
Here, here's the this is. This is a great one.
And I think I think you might have been playing
this is right after you're playing you remember when Duke
won the national title in two thousands.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
I had left for Europe, But yeah, I do remember.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
Okay, so when you're in Europe. It's really hard because
you don't see college basketball right, especially back then. Yeah,
early in the year, they played Arizona State and it
was in the pre season of the Nighteen and Mason
Plumbley wasn't yet playing. And I'll never forget I was
working with Jay Williams and they're playing, and I think

(41:20):
I think hardin was that it was at Arizona State
at the time, and they were just slicing them and
dice them and beating them off the balance, even though
they were running prints and stuff. They were just killing them.
So at halftime, I said, Duke looked alarmingly unathletic, right,
And that team ended up winning national title. And to
this day you'll have Duke fans and be like, idiot,

(41:43):
you know, look alarming in an athletic But what they
don't realize is the team that won the national title.
And when they changed maybe year they put Brian Zubek
into the starting center, right, they had John Shire, they
had Nolan Smith you're talking about ye, right, great, they

(42:04):
had Kyle Singler.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
Yeah, Kyle was good player, a great player, Yeah, really
good player.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
Good player. And then they had they had Bason Plumley
as well, I'm trying to think we will. Stand point
is that if you watched basketball, they Zubec started playing
in the drop and they they basically played pack line
the second half of the season, which if anyone knows

(42:33):
anything about Duke up into the moment, like the reason
Greg Pollis had a kind of a miserable career was
they had Greg Pollis like picking up three quarter court
and getting up into guards and dude in the acc
with pros like he's not, he's not. That's not. If
Greg Pollis would have played pack line, he could have
been an all time great at Duke because he was

(42:53):
such a good player.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
I agree, he.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
Was playing in a system that didn't fit his skill set.
So I use that as the perfect example of even
Mike Krzyzewski, who, let's be honest, you know, especially offensively,
they kind of do what they did, They really let
them play and then they just try to take you
out of everything you want to do offensively. Sure that
year he didn't and they won the national title because

(43:16):
of it. So so again, like you're asking me now
May fifteenth or whatever, how is Doug Gottlink's team gonna play? Well, Look, man,
I want to force tempo like that. And and this
is where I've had discussions with Shaka when he was
at VCU and obviously now at Marquette, Like there's gonna
be games when you're gonna you might get run out
of the gym a little bit playing fast, But if

(43:38):
you're committed to it, and you play fast all the time,
and you you and you pushed up all the time,
and you trap and run and pressure all the time,
you do those things. Those teams play that way once
a year, you play that way thirty times. So right,
So philosophically, that's how I'd like to play. I want

(43:59):
a pressure, I want various kinds of pressure.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
It's funny. I talked to Greg about that exact thing,
like exactly what you talk about. Greg paul So, who's
now the head coach at Niagara. I was like, He's like,
you guys were so unique and you had to prepare
a special way just to play with you guys. And
to be honest, when I came back and was GA
under Brad when I had to come back and finish schooling,
like Syracuse was kind of the same way, and Florida
State was kind of the same way. Like Syracuse, you

(44:25):
knew what they were going to do. That's what they
were going to do, and you had to spend two
days preparing for this long Asizon Florida state, you had
to spend two days preparing for At the time, it
was like six ' eight across the board and the switchbole,
so like you had to find ways to like you.
But those teams played like that the entire season, and
the Clemson teams that I was on, we pressured the

(44:45):
whole time and people had to adjust to us. But
very much along the same lines of what you're saying.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
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Speaker 1 (45:03):
What else you got.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
We used to do a thing now. We ran the
motion offense back at Clemson. Whenever I played, it was motion.
There's some dribble drive. We'd set a ball screen every
now and then, but it wasn't. We would play games
within practice where you had to hit X amount of
backscreens just depending on the team. You said, adapt to
the team that you're going to play against in order
to kind of get that muscle memory in there. So

(45:27):
we would do five on five, try to score, but
before you scored, you had to set x amount of backscreen,
six backscreens or down screens, or five slips on the ball,
just because if we knew that the five man was
going to jump out and hedge hard, we had to
be able to hit the slip and things like that.
You could only score off a slip, only off certain concepts.

(45:48):
And as a result, when game time came, we still
wouldn't call plays, but just because we'd been doing it
for two days, it kind of like bled into our
thing that was I was sitting here listening to how
you would adjust, and all those pacific calls are great,
especially but as the game moves faster and the team's
on the other end on offense, sometimes it's hard to
kind of rain them in like those two or three days.

(46:09):
Just to create many habits, I think many habits are
a big, big way of saying that when you're doing
five out motion those things, that's kind of.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
Yes, well like like so I'll give you an example, Okay,
So then there's all different sorts of entries, all different
sorts of big hitters. But the basic premise of it
is if you're not open on AH and you're out
of forty five. You're back hunting and you're back heading
to score.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
Sure.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
Now if if they, and then you obviously have a
guy in the corner and he lifts to replace. Sure,
so you're constantly back hunting replace back in their place.
But now look if they if the if the guy
in the corners man, if they you know, if if they,
you know, call out switch. Now we have an automatically
go to a flayer, you know, and and if when

(46:56):
you know, when you hit the wing, like the the
offense is design or side to side ball movement or
double gap drives. If you have a big, the rule
with the big is he can always dribble or pass
into a d H O and you have the floor
spaced around him. Sure, and it's it's really it's simple

(47:18):
as it is complex. And you just got to like,
like you said, you have to.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
Like you have to have a lot of unselfish, smart,
unselfish cutters too.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
Correct correct, that's another big thing. Yeah, I agree. The
most unselfish play you can make in basketball two plays
all reversal and hard basketback. Because even when you're a
non shooter, you have to contend with a hard basketball. Yeah,
so you're dragging your man out of the play at
least temporarily, so that when you can get a gap

(47:51):
or a double gap drive right and with ball reversal
that it's the exact same thing. Want that ball humming,
that ball moving. Also, you have to be in a
really good shape, yeah, because if you don't cut hard
and you're lazy with it and you don't snap that
thing around, there's no real point and then it becomes stagnant.
And then it's like these terrible AAU games where it's
five out and just guys going one on one.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
Huh. I'll tell you Hunter Tyson who got drafted. He
ended up being the second highest paid second round pick
last year for the Denver Nuggets. He's on the roster
right now. One of his best skills was the fact
that he was such a good cutter, and because he
added his three point shot later on, he was able
to benefit from those good cuts later and it ended

(48:34):
up getting him drafted. But like focusing on those other
things were just huge. Man, I'm happy for you. This
is great. This is great. This is something you've poked
in product around with for a long time. When was it?
When was kind of the I guess the moment you're like,
I'm ready to do this. I really want to pursue this,
Like it was there a specific moment. Was it something
you'd been milling about for a while. What was the

(48:56):
kind of the process for you, Because Doug, let's be honest,
like you're almost on the top. You're almost on the
top of where you're at, like you've done it. Yeah,
but two people outside looking.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
In, Okay, I appreciate, I would say. So in two
thousand and two thousand, I won't give the away the year. Okay, well,
I'll give away the year because it doesn't matter. I
think it was two thousand and eight the Final four,
this is your senior year.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
No, that would have been. That was my in my
freshman year.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
Okay, so two thousand and eight Final four. I was
San Antonio, I believe in Kansas shot. So I interviewed
for a job. I was thirty two. I interviewed for
a job. First time I ever did it. And it
was again relationship based, and heyge ever thought about doing this.
And I remember walking out of and the guys in

(49:44):
the athletic director who's a very powerful athletic director now
said you know, look, I don't know if I can
do this, but just be an assistant coach for a
year or two, you would, you'd definitely get the shop.
And so I walked out of the room at the

(50:05):
coach's hotel and I was in the lobby and I
saw like two thousand dudes, yeah, you know, all having polos,
most of them having a resume handy, you know, and
they were all talking about it, right, We're all trying
to get jobs. And I remember thinking, like at the

(50:27):
time I'm in ESPN, like there's like fifty of us
who get to cover the sport, or there's now three
hundred and sixty one and sixty two Division one teams.
Now you have five guys on staff, Like you're just
putting yourself into this massive pool, sure, and hoping you
stand out. So I always thought that it was a
strength to not do it it separated you had made

(50:48):
you me, I've kind of privately come in second ten times. Really, Yeah,
And so somebody did.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
They did, like ads just weren't ready to make that
jump for a guy that didn't have that assistant experience
is what has come down.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
To, sure. I mean like look, Oklahoma State hired Steve
Lets this year, and they just told me they're like, look,
they had interviewed me when they hired Mike Boyden, and
I think that would have been that that probably would
have been a time when it would have fit. But
they just said, hey, like, look we hired Mike and
he was fairly an experience. We feel like we have
to hire somebody who's been a head coach sitting head coach.

(51:26):
That was just how they thought and that was their
that was their prerequisite, right, Like some some jobs you
have to have a master's degreaty. Sure, you know, every
time you get close you start to it's like, at
what point do I look at Zillow? At what point
do I at what point do I think this could
be real? Like I remember when they hired Mike Dunleavy

(51:50):
at Tulane, the athletic director who just obviously just took
the Nebraska job from from Washington. Was was that two
lane at the time, and he had come from Northern Iowa,
and I just I remember that. I was He's like, well,
you're a finalist, Y're one of two for this thing,

(52:11):
and like at that point in time, I'm like ooh, okay,
let's look at some real estate, let's start thinking about schools,
let's start, you know, start doing all the different things. Sure,
and it just obviously it feels like rejection when you
don't get it. So there was and then this year
when the letst thing didn't come to when the Oklahoma

(52:32):
State thing didn't come to be, there was definitely. I
have a really two really close friends, was like, look,
you are born to do this, but no one's going
to hire you as ED. They won't take that risk.
These hafifitic directors are risk averse, averse averse. And I
was like, all, I got it. You know, it's like baseball.

(52:54):
It takes us one, you know, and it has to
all make sense. So this one all makes sense. You
might ad was head coaching W Milwaukee when I was born,
so it's in the same state system. And I'm just, yeah,
so when did it become a It's always been there
and it's never gotten to the place to where you're like, yeah,

(53:15):
I don't want to do this. This year I helped
out Oaklaham State as consultant, and it made me want
to be a head coach more, but an assistant coach
a little bit less, not because Mike's not because Mike's
not awesome, but just the when you're in our position,

(53:36):
or it's my position broadcasting, like I don't especially since
leaving ESPN, Like I don't really have anybody telling me
what I can say what I can't say. I just
have to know where the third rail topics are. And
there's not that many layers above me. You know. I
have a couple of bosses, and I have to I
have to do what they asked me to do, and

(53:58):
other than that, I go and do my job. When
you're an assistant coach, you have the you have the
other assistants who are at or above your level around you.
You have the head coach, you have the athletic director,
you have the president, you have the board, you have
the boosters, you got the players, you got all this
other stuff. So it's just like so many layers, like

(54:19):
I don't know, And Chris Beard is like, dude, just bro,
take a D three job one year, you win. Take
a D two chap you win. Like what his path was, Yeah,
I'm like I don't know, and like this, I do
not think this will be easy because every coach in

(54:39):
that league is trying to do the exact same thing
I'm trying.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
To right, Yep. I was about to ask that was
going to be my next question about the horizon, like
what what made what gives you confidence going in the horizon?
Just this this question is more of like what you'll get.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
I don't think it's I don't think it's I don't
think it's going to mean.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
No, that's not what I mean. That's not what I mean.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
Listen, what did us? A big thing? I thought, and look,
Sonny did a great job. But my perception of the
job was that it's easier to go from four wins
to I thought fifteen to seventeen was a good target.
You won eighteen. I thought it was easier to go
from more to fifteen to seventeen than it is to

(55:22):
go from eighteen to twenty five. Like that's that's a
way harder job.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
That's like going from shooting eighty two on the golf
course to shooting seventy five. Big difference of getting from
one hundred to eighty than eighty like seventy two. Like
you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (55:40):
Perfect example, Yeah, perfect example. So it's a.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
Well coached league, Like there's good coaches up and down there.
That's going to be fun. That's going to be challenging,
It's gonna be fun.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
I mean, Greg Campy has been doing it since I
was in school, right right. Yeah, that's crazy, that's great,
crazy to think of it, crazy to think of it
that way. But yeah, I mean there's they're good basketball.
It's a good basketball league in a part of the
country that likes college basketball. They don't have football, they
don't have football program. So it's important.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
And as soon as the Packers are done, it's all you.
As soon as the Packers.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
And by the way, I was never a Jordan Love
hater like I Copie like I was, I believed in
the process.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
That is going to wear a cheese head to his
press conference.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
No question, that's a great call. Okay, so so so
press conference, press conference? What are the don'ts? What are
the dews?

Speaker 2 (56:36):
I think the biggest thing is don't try to be
too funny because it can flop like that would be my.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
No one knows that better than you boys, right, No
one knows that better than your boy. No.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
I think the biggest thing with press conference is I
think just I think at some places it's easy to
sell hope. I think at a place that like Green Bay,
who had eighteen wins, it's it's being able to sell progress.
Am I wrong in thinking that? Like, because you just.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
Think I think I'm like this message, just like, look,
there's nothing I can say right now, zero that legitimately
will make you believe that this is the right thing.
So give me the ability to show you, you.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
Know, And I'm just happy that I got the chance
to show.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
It right work, Like listen, words are great, and I
can give the best motivational talk in the world about
the difference between because the other part of that Adidas
talk was good to great and the little things that
you do every day, Yeah, how.

Speaker 4 (57:42):
You doing things?

Speaker 2 (57:43):
How you do everything right?

Speaker 1 (57:45):
And the little things that you do every day are
going to decide whether you want to be good or
whether you want to be great. We all know what
they are, Okay, we all know what they are. And
all of us, once our basketball crewers are over, we
know the decisions we made. Like I'm sore, I don't
want to go shoot extra like a right, you know,
so you don't want to make extra in the games,
And everybody's made that decision. But the point is that

(58:08):
I can give the greatest motivational talk on Earth and
you walk away and you'll say, but it doesn't actually matter.
What matters is you know one Stovest starts, what does
it look like? And you know I'm a character over
talent guy. And you can be missing you know, at
that level you're going to be missing something sure, because

(58:29):
if you weren't, you would be playing at Wisconsin, at
Minnesota Michigan and Michigan State or whatever. You're missing something, right,
But you can't be missing toughness. You can't be missing competitives.
You know, you can't be missing character. If you if
you have those three, I can work with the well
coach can't really shoot like I couldn't shoot. It's gonna

(58:49):
make it work right, right, right. So that's the that's
kind of the message is I'm gonna I can tell
you a lot of great things, but you know, let
me show you. And that's that's what this is. That's
what this is. I've done the talking for twenty years
is holy shit, twenty one years. Yeah, now we get

(59:11):
to see if I can do the get to doing Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
Thanks exciting, Hey, serious question, don't break the weather situation
you're in California.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
Now weatherwise, it's really funny. One of the one of
the gentlemen who I'm going to try and hire, and
I said, hey man, he's in southern California too. I
was like, hey man, you know it's fucking cold there.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
It's freezing.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
And he's like, Douggie, did Jim have heat?

Speaker 2 (59:36):
Yep?

Speaker 1 (59:37):
Coach office have heat? Yep? Does the wait room have heat?

Speaker 2 (59:41):
Yep?

Speaker 1 (59:42):
Got a sound system? We can live ways too, yep.
What's the problem there?

Speaker 2 (59:46):
You go, well, what do they ask Thibodeaux on the
All Star Break? Where are you going for All Star Break?
He said, it's seventy four in the office. There's your question.
There's your answer right there, if youybody asked me.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
The reality of OTO is like, you know, I mean,
you know, I don't know how Beheim did it for
forty years. You know, whatever, Holy shit, it will they'll
they'll there'll be more. There'll be mornings when you get
out and go in the car and you're like, what
am I doing?

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
Yeah, but you know, you get used to it though,
I mean, I played this week.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
It's just day, not just that, like it's it's an
opportunity of a lifetime. And like look again, I I
I don't want prisoners. I want you know, I want volunteers,
not prisoners, you know, and I'm one of them, right,
I am choosing to do this. I'm handing over the

(01:00:46):
ability to be a college basketball analyst because I'm choosing
to do this. I want to be here. You don't
want to be here, that's okay, Like that's great, that's
fine identified as you don't. But I'm so in terms
of my family dynamic of it, like we've lived everywhere.
It's like anybody in Wisconsin. The summers are amazing, but
on the summerfest in Milwaukee, I don't know if you

(01:01:08):
have been awesome. You know, the falls are nice, a
little short, and then you know, winterers are spend in
the gym anyway, right, so Winner's just spent in the gym.
And oh yeah, by the way, schedule smartly, right, Like, hey,
if we're going to go take an ass whopping, let's
go take an asshooping in California or Florida, Arizona. Yeah,

(01:01:28):
you know, at least we walk out of the gym.
We can do so in shorts and flip flops. But no,
all seriousness, Like I get it I've lived. I mean,
living in South Bend come from California was really hard
for me because South Bend it's not just the it's
not just the cold. The lake effect, well, the wind,
but the lake effect is a real thing, right where

(01:01:49):
it's like opra casty, so to whatever, like every day
the sun never ever comes out, So I uh, yeah,
I mean I'm there for it. Like like it's like
I I'd never gone skiing until probably like fifteen years ago, day,
ten years ago or something. Nah, it's probably twenty eleven

(01:02:12):
years she's yeah, thirteen years ago. I remember coming home
and hey, you're going skiing today, And I didn't go
skiing one because obviously basketball players knees crashing.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
But the award situation for skiing is just not there,
like yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
Right, but I also like, I don't really like the
cold that much. Right, But what I found is, you know,
if you cover the parts that get cold and you
you're properly, you're fine. Yeah, so you know, I'll break
the hands. I'm miss driving. I'm miss driving a truck.

(01:02:47):
I want to get a truck driving a truck. So
get a truck where you can press one of those
buttons where it's already heeded up right, right, Yeah, So
what you do is you get a you have the garage, okay,
and you open the garage door, press the button. Truck's
already warm and the only cold is from the walk

(01:03:09):
from into your garage to your car and from your
car to the gym. That's pretty easy, right, Yeah. But
as much as we're talking about being in the gym
all the time, like the truth is, I do want
to do it differently, And this is I don't believe.
I don't think kids today can practice too in a
half three hours. Mentally, you know, I'd rather I'd rather

(01:03:31):
go short twice, bring them back, you know, skill development
in the morning, team practice in the afternoon, and so
in in in short, in short bursts that way, because
they just I have ADHD and I wasn't raised on
a phone, and I can't imagine everybody else. And then

(01:03:52):
you know, even for coaches meetings, you know, like I
don't I don't know what it was like with Brad Burnell,
but like you don't have to be in an office
every day having a coaches meeting and have to be
super stuffy, Like if I have a nice house, like
guys come over, have breakfast, Let's have a meeting. Let's
chop it up now, let's have our said time. We
meet every week. You know when you got to get away,

(01:04:12):
get away, have a good enough staff that if a
guy has to go and go see his family, get
out of town, have to go recruit like he's missed
but not really missed. But also it feels like it
doesn't feel like you're in the day. Yeah so, And
I think that helps with the weather is you know,
findy times to get away and ten times.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
If guys just feel like they're appreciated, they're going to
hang around and they're going to be happy doing their job.
That's the biggest thing. That's more than anything. Players too.
If guys are feeling like they're appreciated, then everything should
turn out all right. Now, there's gonna be some obviously losses.
You have guys that play well, they're gonna be gone
no matter what. There's just nothing you can do. How
do you feel about that part? That part's going to

(01:04:50):
be hard because they say you bring into studs, they're
there for a year, see you sucks. That part sucks, sucks.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
Realistic where yeah, you're gonna you're gonna develop a kid.
You're gonna find a kid that other people missed on
and then somebody's gonna offer him a bag of money.
And you got to go like you do, like, can't
keep you?

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
Yeah, not only can I not keep you, Like it's
irresponsible for me to tell you. I want you to say, yeah,
that's that's the hard part.

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
Right, so you know, but but that also helps with
the sale for the next year, you know, tell me.
So obviously they have a they had a player last
year who averaged twenty a game, came in and hit
the portal and I believe you know, got well into
six figures to leave, And to me, that's that's actually
a good thing for recruiting, Like, hey, dude, listen, we

(01:05:41):
we don't have what other people have financially, but we
have his opportunity and style of play, and look at
what he did and now or he's benefiting where you
can go to a higher level, but the next check
is not going to be bigger, you know, whereas if
you come out and play, then that next check is
gonna be a bit your check, just like with coaches too, right,

(01:06:01):
It's like it's no different, it's no different. So do
I like it no, because I think it makes it
really hard to have continuity and culture not impossible, and
I think it's bad for fans because they don't like.
One of the reasons the Caitlin Clark thing is so
awesome is she was the same place for four years.
Everybody knew when Iowa played, who's on Iowas roster, Whereas
you and I like we keep up with it, like

(01:06:23):
can you name how many guys can you name on
Clemson's roster.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
They've actually done a decent job Chauncey, They've got well anyway,
I get your point. I get your point, but but
the they've done an okay job of that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
But then again, that's gonna be that's gonna be their space,
and I actually love that right. Retention is especially like
at high majors, like I think the Purdue model is
well right, where you focus on retention more than going
to the portal, But you have to have a lot
of money to do that. I think at at the
mid major level, your best player you plan on losing

(01:07:00):
every year, you know, That's that's just kind of what
you gotta do. You fight to keep them.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
You can also get them back on the on the
on the get back too though. Like some guys transfer up,
they transfer right back because.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
Yeah, okay, Jeffrey, we broke the news on the pot already.
So what do you think.

Speaker 4 (01:07:22):
I think you're crazy. I think you're insane.

Speaker 5 (01:07:25):
No, no, I'm happy for you, man. I congratulations, very cool.
I know you've been trying to get into coaching for
a little while here, and it's hard because you know,
obviously you've got another career here and uh, and now
to be able to kind of have dual careers is
I think there's only one person on the planet that
could do this, and you and I have worked together,

(01:07:49):
we've been friends for a long time.

Speaker 4 (01:07:51):
I can say, as long as you have somebody that
can tell.

Speaker 5 (01:07:54):
You where to go and when to go there, yes,
then I think you're gonna be able to pull it off.
But I listen, not too many people I think can
pull it off.

Speaker 4 (01:08:03):
But as I tell people like you are kind of
a unicorn in a lot of ways of being able
to get.

Speaker 5 (01:08:09):
A million things done, you know, and and somehow figure
it all out.

Speaker 4 (01:08:15):
And I think you'll figure this thing out.

Speaker 1 (01:08:19):
Appreciate it well. First, I mean, you've done a lot
for me in the last couple of years that I
I appreciate it. We both we both have people who
in the industry can say negative shit, but the only
thing that really matters is people who really know you
and you're You're solid to me, so I you know,

(01:08:42):
I don't know you pick the fights that you pick.
My fights happened organically. Sometimes pick them, But for me,
you've been a great friend of me, even Miss Booker,
and I appreciate it. What if you put your reporter
add on what would what would you most like to them?

Speaker 5 (01:09:05):
I mean, I think the biggest thing is why, like,
why are you doing this at a time when most
people do not want to deal with coaching in college
basketball because it is a shit show between nil between
you know, a major light Green Bay understanding that, like, dude, whoever,
you're a minor league. I mean, that's that's what you

(01:09:27):
are right now. If you've got a good player like
Noah Reynolds, he's gone. He's gone, Like you can't keep him.
You don't have the nil. The portal is insane, realignment,
all this this stuff, it's a disaster right now.

Speaker 4 (01:09:40):
Why the hell would you want to do this right now?

Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
What'd your dad do?

Speaker 4 (01:09:47):
My dad was a.

Speaker 5 (01:09:48):
Clothing salesman selling retail stores, and he still works, believe
it or not, at eighty one years old. He doesn't
need to, but he works at a shoe a mom
and pop shoe store four days a week because he
needs to be around.

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
People, no question. I love it well when your coach's
son home is in a gym and I'm at a
place in my life where I'm forty eight years old,
and if I don't take this opportunity, I don't. I
don't want to be sitting there when i'm your dad's age,

(01:10:21):
going like I should have taken that Green Bay job now.
And you and when you raise kids, you always tell
them one try it, you might like it. And the
other part too, It is you always, you know. I
always tell my kids, you know, if you're if no
one's laughing at your dreams, they might not be big.

(01:10:43):
And I've had plenty of people laugh at me for
saying I want to be a head coach. And I
didn't want to go through the assistantround. I thought there's
just too big a pool of people and it would
take the right place, the right time, the right athletic director.
And you don't take an opportunity one somebody else is
and two you're never going to get that opportunity again.

(01:11:04):
And like, look at the at the core of it.
At this level, Yes, if you have a really good player,
he's going to lead. Hey, that's you almost have to
break that, you almost.

Speaker 5 (01:11:17):
I think it's a sales pitch now rather than fighting it,
I think you have to sell the fact.

Speaker 4 (01:11:23):
That hey, we're going to get you here, we're going
to develop you.

Speaker 5 (01:11:26):
And the goal is obviously if you can go to
the you know, the NBA, that's the goal. But more,
you know, more realistically, we're going to get you to
where you can make you know, three four hundred grand
and place.

Speaker 1 (01:11:40):
I mean like like listen, like listen. Noel Reynolds is
a success story. Make no mistake about it, right, you know,
I don't know what the actual figure he got from TCU. Hey,
but he wasn't making that at Green Bay last year.

Speaker 4 (01:11:53):
Nope.

Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
And so yes, that is a that is a Hey,
look man, you come here, you do it, you think
we think you can do. You're gonna benefit from it. Now.
Look we're gonna I'm gonna try as and call every
person I know and and build up a base of
nil so that we can we can retain as much

(01:12:15):
as we can, because I think that's the way. I
think that's the way to sustain it at any level.
But in this but that's it more in the long term.
Play in the short term, like this is kind of
honestly what AU basketball is like. You know, it's the
rosters ever evolving. You've got to go and get dudes,

(01:12:37):
you know, and you know you have to you know,
like an AAU basketball like I can tell you I have.
I have the best fourteen U team in Caliburnia and
more in layup lines, there's oftentimes I'm texting a parent,
where are you? So? Uh. The point is, I actually

(01:12:59):
think I'm more prepared for this style of college basketball.
And you know, my trips to Israel, I believe I'm
really good at building culture in short order and obviously
that's that's that's paramount, right And so I've been able
to do it with Maccabi, And you know, I think

(01:13:21):
I want to try and build culture. I want to
try and do something special. I want to connect with
the community. I want a homecourt advantage. And oh yeah,
by the way, when I wake up in the middle
of the night, basketball is on my braining, so I
want to try and see what that feels like, see
what that looks like. Plus I like working with like
minded people, and everyone I'm going to hire is like minded.

(01:13:45):
So how are you?

Speaker 4 (01:13:46):
How are you going to do this? Dark?

Speaker 2 (01:13:47):
How are you?

Speaker 5 (01:13:48):
I want to know that too, as a media person
who's worked with you on that end.

Speaker 4 (01:13:52):
And now you're going to coach and that's a full
time job. I mean that's a sixty.

Speaker 5 (01:13:56):
Hour week job, maybe more. How are you going to
do your radio show? How are you going to do coaching?
And recruiting? And recruiting has changed? I mean that's actually
I think the new age recruiting in the model helps
you in a way because you're not flying all over

(01:14:16):
the country to wave to a kid anymore. You're really
hitting the portal and a lot of kids are going
to commit without ever honestly coming.

Speaker 4 (01:14:25):
On a visit or you're going to see them.

Speaker 5 (01:14:27):
That's just the nature of where we're at with college basketball.

Speaker 4 (01:14:30):
Recruiting right now.

Speaker 5 (01:14:31):
But how are you going to how are you going
to manage both jobs for the short at least for
now and see if it works well?

Speaker 1 (01:14:39):
I told people at the Jewish Coaches Association Breakfast two
years ago. If you get a job, you need to
hire Matin. So kit was. We brought him to Israel
and he's been on staff at Hartford and he's I've

(01:15:00):
never seen any human being work as hard as he is.
You'll love this. What do you think his job? What
do you what do you think? I told him his job?
His job's specs are.

Speaker 5 (01:15:13):
His job special are to make sure you get up
on time in the morning to maybe have to He
might be your roommate for au.

Speaker 1 (01:15:22):
I get get getting getting getting up is.

Speaker 4 (01:15:27):
Getting you from point A to point being on time.

Speaker 1 (01:15:30):
No, tell me, tell me where, Just tell me where
I need to be, when I need to be there,
Who I need to call, when I need to when
I need to hang up, when I need to like everything,
And uh yeah, that's what I'm gonna that's what he's
going to do. And so that's the first thing. You know.
It's time management skills. But you know, I don't know
how many people know this, but man, it's like you

(01:15:51):
asked why I couldn't do Field of sixty eight as
much last year as I wanted to. Well, I was
working for Fox, uh, Compass, west Wood on stadium. I
had a basketball program. I have my own basketball podcast,
you know, like you name it. I have, I got,
I had, I had obligations. This will just be two jobs.

(01:16:13):
And really, you know, radio is I've been doing it
long enough and I have a good enough system where
I feel like I can be super concise with my
time and and the and credit to the guys at
Fox Sports Radio, you know we I got clearance from
them last year. I got and you know, yesterday I

(01:16:34):
called him and said, hey, if this becomes a real thing,
can we do it? And They're like, yeah, we're gonna
try it. So we're gonna do it and see how
it goes. But the first thing is, I got a
guy who's going to manage manage me. And then I'm
gonna hire a really good staff.

Speaker 4 (01:16:49):
What what type of coach are You're going to be, Douge?

Speaker 2 (01:16:51):
What type?

Speaker 5 (01:16:51):
Because I've never seen you. I don't think i've ever
seen your coach aau. So like, obviously I know you
well enough and I have known you well enough that again,
you're gonna hold kids accountable.

Speaker 4 (01:17:02):
There there's there's an old school part of you that is.

Speaker 5 (01:17:05):
Gonna hold kids accountable, Like who do you want to
model your coaching style after Give me a guy in
college basketball right now that you say to yourself, like.

Speaker 4 (01:17:15):
That's kind of who I want to be at my core.

Speaker 1 (01:17:18):
I'm not Danny, Okay, I love Danny, not Danny, but
I'm also not Brad Stevens, you know, or I'm I'm uh.

Speaker 4 (01:17:30):
Yeah, fir but warm.

Speaker 5 (01:17:31):
Yeah, you don't have that type of No, you're not
as smart as well either by the way.

Speaker 1 (01:17:36):
I coach people, the way I want to be. The
one of the big things for me is I make
sure that when the game is over or the practice
is over, like we're not carrying over those emotions into life.
You know. It's something I'm really good at. So like
Tommy is obill self type?

Speaker 4 (01:17:55):
Is that kind of what you want to you know?

Speaker 1 (01:17:56):
Like right, yes, I want to be I'd love to
be Bill. I could be Bill self. That would be great.
And what Bill's ability to connect with the younger generation
and you know, talk that level of shit whatever.

Speaker 5 (01:18:08):
Again, the biggest thing for me, obviously you've got your
staff pretty much figured out already. I know you can't
go through it, but uh, it's guys who are going
to grind it and and again I think, how realistic
is it because you're already starting here. It's gonna be
the last It could be the last head coaching job

(01:18:30):
of the cycle, which sucks. That's hard to do because
most of these kids in the portal already accounted.

Speaker 4 (01:18:36):
For, not all of them, but a lot of them,
a lot of them already done at this point.

Speaker 5 (01:18:42):
How competitive do you think you can be this year
or are we talking about really a year or two
being able to be competitive.

Speaker 4 (01:18:48):
And have a chance to maybe fight for one of
the top spots in the league.

Speaker 1 (01:18:54):
My simple answer is I don't know, but I can
tell you this. We're going to get the most out
of what we got. You know, the first order of business,
mean and and most important thing is like it's it's
really interesting how this works with with with schools right
where they you know, Sundayance comes in, they've won four

(01:19:15):
games year before, he wins eighteen games and he gets
extended and then you know this, this happened at a
weird time in the cycle. Really important to point out.
He did a great job.

Speaker 4 (01:19:26):
Great job.

Speaker 1 (01:19:26):
He did a great job. He did a great job.
He's got awesome energy. He completely turned around the program,
obviously was brilliant to hire Noah's brother, who they've worked
together at at at Wyoming, right, like, that's that's legal,
smart and worked right. So and you know, I so
there's there's no negatives there, and I believe he left

(01:19:49):
me a pretty good roster. And I know I know
the one transfer. I'm I'm fired up the coach. And
while there aren't technically guy is a ton in the portal,
there are some and you know, when things change, things change,
and so there are some other guys who I've helped

(01:20:10):
place at other places that I would love to, you know,
and give a phone call to and say, hey, listen,
I I understand you're committed. I respect that, but I
also want you to know that you have a you
have a place playing for us and playing for me specifically,
and so I have some relationships there. Anyway, The answer is,

(01:20:34):
let me let me see.

Speaker 4 (01:20:36):
What I got.

Speaker 1 (01:20:37):
You see who shows up at our first set, our
first summer work out, but on paper not bad, on
tape pretty good? Yeah, really good? I mean freshman earleague
hello player like good? So uh, And then I have
some guys that I believe we can add in the portal.

(01:20:58):
That and there's some internationals as well, and we have
them in IL. So we're gonna we're gonna try and
add on. Like nobody nobody feels sorry for you, right, No, Greg,
Greg Camp is gonna be like, hey, oh you got
the job late. Oh hey listen, how about we how
we spot you ten points? You know?

Speaker 2 (01:21:19):
Hey what what what will?

Speaker 4 (01:21:20):
How will you change? Like is there any part?

Speaker 5 (01:21:23):
I mean again, we went through your job responsibilities and
how they'll change. But like you on social media, you anywhere,
is there anything that you thought of? Like, Okay, I'm
gonna have to change with this. I can't now that
I'm gonna head coach at Green Bay. I can't do this,
Like what is it?

Speaker 4 (01:21:41):
What's what?

Speaker 1 (01:21:42):
Yeah? I mean, like especially this fall, I can't get
into political stuff, right, you know, it's just it's so
toxic anyway, Yeah, it's so toxic anyway, can't get into
the political stuff. You know, I've told them I'm I'm
open to handing over my my Twitter handle like that.
That's a negative vortext anyway. That just sucks you in

(01:22:02):
on a on a daily basis. Anyway. Oh so yeah, no, no.

Speaker 5 (01:22:07):
You'll you'll you'll be a happier person. Yeah, you'll be
a happier person if you.

Speaker 1 (01:22:11):
I think I think I will. I think I will
be a.

Speaker 5 (01:22:13):
Happier And again, you don't need to take that time,
that time away from you, Like, no, your time is
going to be at a premium like that, That's not
how you want to utilize it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:23):
I actually need that. I need the structure of it.
And you know, like and you've gone through this with
your daughter. You know I'm going to go through this
with my daughters. Like not having kids to manage, oh yeah,
and to worry about their lives on a daily basis.
I actually kind of need the kid. I actually kind
of need the kids to be their dad, big brother,

(01:22:46):
you know, on the team because because you because you
you miss that when they're not there. So I've always
wanted to do it. And you know, there's the the rare.
You know, my dad's last head coaching jobs, you be
walk And I was born in Wisconsin, and you know,
we've always had great respect for the Bennetts. Uh. You know,

(01:23:08):
Brian Wordle is a dear friend of mine. Obviously he
did an awesome job there. So I know more about
this program than really any other program in the Midwest
at that level, it's like not even close. So I
like all those things work. I well, I was, I

(01:23:30):
was ahead on the Jordan loved thing, and everybody else
said he couldn't play. I was like, oh, I don't know.
These Packer guys seem to think he's pretty good. And
you asked a good question about college basketball. Like, I
think player development is giant player development right now, bigger
than and I love being it. I love being in
the gym with these guys.

Speaker 5 (01:23:51):
Congrats, man, congrats. I'm proud of you. I'm happy for you.
I can't wait to see what you do. I'm sad
to see that you're kind of you know, I know
you're going to tack. It's still I'm on field of
sixty eight. We'll have you do special appearances, be focused
on on green Bay in the league, and I got
to get my ass out there. That's that's the key. Now,

(01:24:11):
I got to get to Green Bay. I don't remember
the last time I've been to Green Bay. Maybe never.

Speaker 1 (01:24:15):
You're you're invited, and we'll go to Packers game in
the fall, come hang out, and what do you think?

Speaker 4 (01:24:22):
Be awesome?

Speaker 1 (01:24:22):
Man?

Speaker 4 (01:24:23):
Awesome? Like I said, congrats, I can't wait.

Speaker 5 (01:24:26):
I know how hard you've been working to kind of
get the right opportunity, and I think this is certainly
the right one for you, and and again looking forward
to seeing what you do this year.

Speaker 1 (01:24:40):
All right, that's it for the first head coaching edition
of All Ball. I also want to think my man
Mike hols it because he we become dear, dear friends,
and he's along with me for this ride, and he's
going to kick some ass too. Reminder, the Doug Gotlips
Show continues every single day on Fox Sports Radio the

(01:25:02):
iHeartRadio app. It's three to five Easter plus I have
a podcast with that as well. Come on, man, everybody
acts like coaches don't sit around the office bullshitting all
day anyway, of course we do. We love the gym,
we love the kids. We got plenty of time to talk.
That's what we're gonna do both until next time. I'm
to Gottlieb. This is All Ball.

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