Baseball is finally back!

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baseball appears to be back. Speaking of baseball, I'm glad
they're back, but I kind of feel like they miss
the window. Boom. What up, America, Doug gott Leave Show,

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Jim Bone is gonna join us, former MLB GM and
of course works for CBS Sports. We'll get his take
on baseball in one hour. The most underrated quarterback in
the National Football League, I'll tell you who that is.
One hour, The most underrated quarterback in the NFL, and

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everyone seems to forget about what he's been able to
put together throughout his career. Jeff Schwartz will join us.
We'll probably argue about about football, maybe you talk about
the coronavirus and whether we'll have a season. Brock Heward
will join us. I'll ask him about my most underrated
quarterback and we'll get his thoughts on on on who's
gonna benefit most from what seems to be a shortened

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offseason in both college and pro football. Baseball appears to
be very very very very very very very very close
to being back on some level. Right, that's are we
can we at least agree on that, whether not baseball,
it's not officially back, but basically what happened was yesterday

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I said, ah, it is proposal. Baseball players are gonna
vote on it. If they don't vote on it, the
Commissioner is gonna enact um a ruling in which he'll
say we have to have We're gonna have baseball regardless,
So why not just vote on it because you get
better benefits. The problem with agreeing to those terms is

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it doesn't allow the players to eventually eventually file a grievance,
so now Major League Baseball plans to hold a sixty
game season. It will begin around July, needs the players
to sign off on a health and safety protocol and
pledge to arrive at home stadiums by July one to

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prepare for the season, sources familiar with the situation told ESPN.
Owners voted to implement a sixty game season on Monday,
hours after Major League Baseball's Players Association rejected a sixty
game proposal that would have included expanded playoffs and other
ancillary salary bumps. After nearly three months off of fruitless negotiations,

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MLB opted to use their right given uh given to
it in the party's March agreement to impose the schedule
of its desired length. By choosing a season of sixty games,
the league will pack in as many games as you
can through September, the league's self and post cut off
for the regular season. Additionally, the sixty game season could

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serve as a buffer against the grievance by the MLB
p A, which, in the case of a potential implementation,
has been expected to charge that the league did not
fulfill its duty to complete a full season as possible
the league would file grievance against the union as well.
There will be lawyers, multiple players the DSPN. They expect
to agree to the league's call to report by July

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one and to its health and safety protocol. In other words, man,
this could be done. A long time ago, Major League
Baseball had this clause in its back pocket. They finally
used it, and we're gonna have baseball. The players are
actually making less money because they did not choose the
agreement that would have paid and more. Instead, that agreement

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would have nullified their ability to file a grievance. My
take on the grievance is pretty much this. It's like
when a baseball game is under protest. You ever done
that when you're a little leg all right right? You
ever had the coach that files the protest? Guy is
safer out at first base, throw the ball at the
first basement, stands on the base. You have two umpires.

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He appeals to the other umpire. The other umpire says,
I agree with the first umpire, Like, nope, you guys
missed it. This game is under protest. Has anything changed
because of that protest? The answer is now no insense.
But but I feel like somebody needs to tell baseball
what I'm going to tell baseball, and it's not the owners,

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And I understand. You can sit there and go, hey, owners,
they may Many of them are are not just multimillionaires.
Some are billionaires. These are businesses that are cash cows.
Regardless of whether it is it isn't. There are many
parts of Baseball's finances which are really interesting. They have
no salary cap, yet they have a luxury tax threshold,

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which allows teams. Everybody thinks no salary cap means you
can just spend whatever you want. It's kind of true,
but the luxury tax threshold actually makes it harder, prohibitively
more difficult to spend as much as you want. On
the other hand, the downside of not having a luxury
taxes there's no floor, no ceiling. But there is kind

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of a ceiling, but there's definitely no floor, meaning you
can pay your players as little as you want to
pay your players, and oh yeah, by the way, now
that can you pay your players a little, but then
you get subsidized by the teams paying the luxury tax.
So owners have created a system and been able to
get over on the players in the cb A time
and again and are able to make some money. Some

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teams won't make money, not just this year, but in
all years. They struggle to make money. Some markets are
the Oak and A's have no radio broadcast home of course,
that used to be a big cash cow. You know,
there's they they've struggled to get a stadium built. They

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don't own the stadium, so they don't make as much
money from miss municipality owned stadium as they would at home.
But none of that matters. Owners own right. They Many
of these men and women and whoever worked their entire
lives to save up money to buy because they wanted
to own a professional sports team. And when you do that,

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you have the right to make try and make money,
not just make money when you sell it. Because what
was the point of getting this business if I have
to sell the business or to make money. No, I
don't want to do that. I want to do all things.
I want to turn a profit, I want to win games,
and I want the value of the business to go up.
That these aren't reasonable things that anyone who owns a
business could want. Labor is really expensive in baseball, that's

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part of the deal. But here's what players seem to
have missed and I this is a I'm a friend
of court, right, this is Please do not lash out
at Gottlieb played basketball, Gottlieb talks football. Gottlieb is doing
the football and basketball more popular thing. I love baseball.

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I played baseball as a kid. It was the other
sport that I tried to play in high school. Just
time would not permit it. Because in California, if your
high school basketball team is any good, you play in
the playoffs and even the state tournament. Meanwhile, baseball starts
up the beginning of February and it's just too much
to catch up on it. It was just too hard.

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Other than Dan Patrick, we actually talked more baseball than
anybody else, and many times we're told like, I don't
know if you want to talk that baseball. It's not
just national radio show. It struggles with popularity. But but
you don't get that from You don't get a pushed
back for me. I love baseball. I've done a segment
on this network and on a previous network that calls
Nobody gives a Schmidt as a tip of the captain

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Paul gold Schmidt, who was doing great things in Arizona,
and no one ever mentioned it. Why because it's baseball,
it's Arizona. It's a guy named Paul Goldschman. It just
didn't work. So you're not hearing from baseball hater guy.
But I think we can all admit on some level, baseball,
regular season baseball is a little bit slow. Like if
I'm being nice, I'd say it's a little bit slow.

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If I'm being me, and I'd say it's boring. His sin. Now,
baseball works in the summer, and and baseball corner of
the summer market. And baseball is a hundred and sixty
two games, and those two parts of it are the
secret to the s baseball's success. How do these guys
get paid so much money? Hundred six two games summer.

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The hundred sixt two games don't just matter because of
the gate which makes up the income, but also any
of these fledgling cable networks. And I'm not talking about
the Fox Sports ones and the ESPNS, obviously they pay
a ton of the bills, but these what's called regional
sports networks that broadcast their games, they are innings eaters.

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And I want by innings eaters that you need to
draw the parallel of any inning eater pitcher you have.
That's what baseball does to these these these networks. It
gives you three to four hours of content every night,
our pregame show, our post game show, and and most
of these networks. In order to be on some level

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of cable you gotta have six to eight hours of
live programming to day. That's all. You gotta have. The
rest of the stuff. You can do infomercials, you can
buy somebody else's show and put it on your network. Whatever.
You gotta have like six to eight hour live hours
a day. Well, Baseball sitting there going like, hey, we're
gonna give you five six hours. Stretch out the pregame,
do a coaches show, you know, bill a post game,

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do a highlights show, and you're done. There's your network.
There's your network. And you're like, what does that? What
does that mean? Like, um, if your network costs a
dollar which is a little bit high actually, but cost
a dollar too for a cable company to put on
every time, every and they're only in fifty million homes right,

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and you're like, whoa, what does that mean? That means
fifty million dollars a month month without selling an ad. Okay,
and many of these baseball teams own parts of their
regional sports networks. So baseball is a cash cow. But
it's a cash cow because it cornered the summer market.

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And it's a volume play. It's an innings eater for
cable networks, for radio, for everybody. It just sucks up
a bunch of time. And is it Is it super
fun and entertaining? Not all the time. It's a good hang,
it's family friendly, it's outside for the most part, you
can have a beer, you can talk. You don't as
much of the action. But but but but here's the problem. Okay,

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the world continues to evolve, Attention spans continue to shrink,
and maybe most importantly, basketball has gotten wise to this.
Wait a second, we can be just as popular and
play over the summer. Summer leagues become popular. Are NBA
Finals when they're in June are popular? Why are we
avoiding the summer and baseball? This baseball deal because it

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took so long for them to get it done, they're
basically missing summer. Like No U July, a lot of
schools are back in session, first month in August, first
week in August. You got missed time. Schools are starting
earlier and earlier, and you combine that with the coronavirus
which shut down so many schools, they're starting like you

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missed it, you missed the window. And now when you
get back into August and then into September, you're competing
with basketball and football college football. Like, dude, you have
to remember what your niche is, why you're popular. Hockey
had this problem al right, Hockey was wildly popular, crazy

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way Gretzky comes to l A and hockey is like,
you know what we need to do. Let's go to Arizona.
Let's go to Atlanta, Let's go to Florida. Let's go
to Miami, let's go to Carolina. Let's expand. Hockey still
is really popular within the states where people grow watch
it play it growing up. It is in Minnesota, crazy popular,

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crazy Canada, New York, New England. States. Right, if you
if you forget your core audience, if you forget the
reason that you're successful, you run a very risky path
for your future. So I'm happy baseball is back, but

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I gotta warn these players there's a really, really good
chance that there's gonna be challenges in the very near
future to the summer audience, and you just shunned the
summer audience because you want to fight over the details,
which you have every right to fight over. You got
every right to be ticked at the fact that you're
losing more money, but that agreement stipulated that you were

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going to lose all that money anyway, and they were
gonna go back on a sixty game season. So I'm
not really sure what the fight. I don't really know
what you fought for because it just feels like you
lost early and you lost late. You know, you fought
on principle, great idea, but does that keep you gainfully employed?

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Does that make your does that make the markets expand um?
Does does that make everybody richer in the future? And
I don't believe the answer is yes. I I reserve
the right to be wrong, but I don't believe the
answer is yes. Coming up next, yesterday, when we were
starting the show, there was a really powerful, powerful moment

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at Talladega, and I'm I'm not sure if we have
stopped and taking a breath and realized exactly what's taking place,
We'll take that breath next. Be sure to catch the
live edition of the Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three
p m. Easter noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and
the I Heart Radio a app. This was Bubba Wallace

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after Talladega where he finished fourteenth yesterday. The sport is
changing the deal that happened yesterday. Sorry, I'm not wearing
my mask, but I wanted to show whoever it was,
you're not gonna take away my smile, and uh, I'm
gonna keep on going. I have been a part of
this sport for a really long time, still kind of
a rookie starting to figure just play stuff out. We

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had a good race going today. It was for the record,
like what's going to be lost in the whole Talladega thing? Was?
That was fun? Now, NASCAR races, many of them are
a lot like Seahawks games, where it's kind of a
muddled mess throughout much of the game, and then it
gets really excited the last couple, especially when you have

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a uh, you know, a start finish right when you
know they they actually start one lap basically a one
lap race off where you gotta catch up or two
or three or whatever. Like that's pretty fun. It was
a great race at one point in time, he was
I think in the top five, and then he fell
back to fourteen. It was fun, but uh, you heard

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Bubba saying the sport is changing. You listen to Roger
Goodell offer up an apology a couple of weeks ago. Ye, like,
it's very important. It's very important, I believe, for all
of us to understand the transition that we're in. And look,

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there are flaws too many of the even progressive arguments
of of change, but there worthy of a convert station.
Right Like, just if you if you go through what
Black Lives Matter, you know what what they have demanded? Okay,
you go through them and you're like, all right this,

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I like this. I don't like that. It's okay. You
know you're not going to design something that a very
very progressive movement was and think the whole world is
gonna go done. That's not the way anything works, Okay,
Otherwise you wouldn't actually need change, Okay. Um, I mean, look,

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the idea of reparations will be will always be a fight.
Even if it does happen, you'll have you'll have another
side saying, you know, what, what do we do to
our Latino brothers and sisters? What you like we can
go through all of these different things. So look what

(16:55):
what what I I try and do when we put
together a radio show, is anybody and say racism is bad?
Duh right? You know it can just spoil spoil a
good time. It's like it's like, you know, you have
a you're out with a friend who doesn't know how
to talk to women and says things that are completely uncouth.

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He can spoil a good time. You're out with a
buddy who always wants to get in a fight. He
can spoil like racisms like who who are? Like what
You're not part of this anymore? Like goodbye, goodbye, go away. Um.
But I do think there's a something we should do
when you have the type of solidarity you saw a NASCAR,
the type of solidarity you have in sports, you know,

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to just point out like, look, I don't I'm not
a racist. I have nobody. I I don't think I
know any racist. I don't. Um, but we're all kind
of in this world together, and we need to keep
getting better and working things out and finding viable reasonable
ways to have conversations to continue to grow. And when

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can we just take a snapshot and realize how big
these two moments are Goodell offering up an apology and
trying to and trying to work with players and and
NASCAR in one week, not just eliminating the Confederate flag,
but then banding together with with Bubba Wallace, like this

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is what change looks like. I know that many of
you think it's like that. Have you seen the TikTok
um flip the switch using that where you know it's
usually a guy and a man and a woman and
all of a sudden you I'm it's the Drake song,
you know, And I'm gonna flip the switch, and then
all of a sudden they change clothes. Like we think
that's how the world works. It doesn't change, does not

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happen overnight, but you're seeing it. And if you open
your eyes and really absorb how much the tenor and
tone for the most part is evolving. Yesterday was a massive,
massive thing, and massive thing because I would guess that
many of those drivers in the past felt the exact

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same way about the Confederitive flag, about any sort of racism.
But then you always were like, am I gonna lose,
Am I gonna lose fans? Am I'm gonna look I
quietly lose. Like now people, everybody and and I I
Corporate America's even go like they're not worth is somebody
supports competitive flag, It's not worth you know, any sort
of blood money that they want to give us. Sorry.

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Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Easter noon Pacific Doug
Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Jim Bowden was
the GM and the UH in Midjor League baseball. Now
he teaches us all about baseball working for CBS Sports
kind of to spend some time with this year on
Fox Sports Radio. Uh, Jim, this is a when, not if? What?

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What's what's the hold up on baseball officially announcing they
have an agreement with the players to play Yeah, I mean, look,
the owners have implemented of sixty games. I'm being told
the union is going to agree with that. They have
to go through the formality of talking to all the
player reps. But my understanding is by five o'clock today

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Eastern time, the clubs will be told that the union
is is a go for reporting the spring training on
July one. That will allow Major League Baseball to have
opening day on July, which is what their goal is.
That allows them to play sixty games in sixty six days. Um.
And I also it also appears that the health and

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safety protocols are also going to be agreed upon. There's
a couple of tweaks that the union still had left
for that, but again not a barrier. So it looks
like we've got a green light to go ahead. It's
not official yet, I guess, until the union notifies the
Commissioner's office. But from my understanding, the players are happy
that sixty games was implemented rather than fifty, and they're

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planning on reporting on the first Um. Okay, so why
not agree to the Like what does the ability to
file a grievance do really for the players? I really
don't know the answer to that, to be honest with you.
I mean, I think that they're gonna have a very
difficult time if they're going to try to argue the
number of games that were implemented. I think when we

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look at the calendar right now, not quite sure why
an arbitrator would think we should have played more games. Um,
the players wanted full par raded salaries. They got that,
So I'm not quite sure what the grievance would do
for that. So I kind of feel like the clubs
have lived up to that March agreement based on what
they've done here. Uh So I really don't know the

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angle unless there's something we're missing. It is surprising that
the union did not want to agree to the last offer.
The reason I say that is they gave up twenty
five million dollars in playoff pool money for expanded playoffs.
They also the clubs are willing to forgive thirty three
million in um salary advances they gave players um kind

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of a surprise. They didn't want that, so they walked
away from fifty eight million dollars um to be able
to have the right to file a grievance apparently. So
not quite sure I understand it. I mean, look, the
players come away from this galvanized, uh they're together. If
they're trying to send a message for two cb A
negotiations for a year from now, they probably have done that.

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But I'm not sure that they shouldn't be satisfied that
their goal was as many games as possible. They got sixty,
and they wanted to be paid, you know, paid at
the full paraded amount. They got that, Um, I'm surprised,
and I think they're gonna get universal d H two.
I think the clubs are gonna allow the players to
do that as part of the health and safety protocols.
Um So why they didn't want expanded playoffs for themselves

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for that extra pool money as well as for the
fans and you have more teams have a chance to
get in. It's kind of surprised with that, to be
honest with you. But again, I don't know behind the scene,
if the whole concept is let's file a grievance and
see if we can get the financials the clubs won't
give us. Let's see if maybe an arbitrator makes them
turn over revenues. You know, that could be the angle.

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I really don't know. I think that's something we're gonna
find out down the road. Yeah, it's it's it's it's curious. Um. Look,
and this is like a friend of court love baseball.
I just I don't know. I don't know if if
if baseball players and maybe to a less extent, baseball
owners understand the reason the sport has been so financially successful.

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And and this is an important point that I do
think that people in my on my side and the
host side and the opinion side, they don't give enough credit.
Baseball has been remarkably, remarkably successful financially, they have been
ahead of the curve in terms of their digital properties,
and other people, other other sports have tried to take from,
or even lease out, some of the things that baseball does.

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That said, the biggest reason for baseball success, and you
know the dollars and cents way better than I do,
is you had the summer market to yourself, basically unopposed,
and you had a hundred six two games, so you
had a volume and play to make up for a
bad night here, a bad season there, or whatever. Because
you volume played for TV, for radio, money, for stadium attendants,

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all those other things. That's why. And you're giving that away,
and you delayed and delayed and delayed until now essentially
you gave away the summer and you gave away the
volume play. And now you're gonna run a compacted season
that's gonna run in concert with basketball, and I think
basketball is coming to challenge you in the future. Yeah,

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I think you nailed it. Especially we talked about the
month of July July is the monopoly month for baseball,
right the NBA is over, the NFL hasn't started, and
that's the month where you have the All Star Game,
you have the trade deadline, of which, by the way,
you have neither this year. But it's a huge opportunity.
And if baseball had been able to play July one
and play the month of July and had exciting pennant races, uh,

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you might have been able to carry that over. Instead.
What baseball did in June and July with no NBA
and no NHL is each fought in the media more
than any other sport, and you made people not like
the sport. You you took everyone through the mud in
the negotiations. You didn't negotiate behind the scenes. You negotiated
with the public over millions and billions of dollars. That's

(25:17):
not a good optic. And as you point out, now,
you're gonna start July and you're gonna have basically a
week before the NBA starts up, and the NBA is
gonna be fun to watch in the month of August,
and football is gonna start, which is the number one
sport as we know, as your ratings know on your show.
It's number one. It moves the needle. So now you're
gonna go head to head with the NBA in the
NFL for the rest of the year. Uh wow, you

(25:39):
better hope that the play is exciting. Uh. You better
hope that you get the right teams in the postseason
and that the month of October's really really exciting for baseball.
But to your point, and I agree with it with
that double red exclamation on my emoji iPhone, Uh, he
can't give up July like you did, dumb. I mean
the fourth July Americana Baseball. Nothing else on. You know,

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you go to a game, You're like, man, I I
now I know. I remember why I love this game,
you know. And you between Ossuna and Trout and Stanton
and all these other like, you're like, oh, I, you
have so many young and or in their prime talented players. Okay,
let's let's get to the nuts and bolts of it.
A sixty game season played over less than seventy days.

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If you're put your GM hat back on, what do
you do to adjust your roster in order to try
and be successful? Yeah, and the most important thing is
going to be the depth that you have and being
really careful with your pitching early on. You know you're
only gonna get three weeks step spring training. I went
through that. We had a trunk came in season because

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of the work stoppage, and we didn't start to Lapril.
We went out of the gate three and eight. We
ended up winning the division. We played the Braves in
the league championship series, but those first eleven games we
were not ready. We were not prepared, and we pushed
our pictures, which was a huge mistake. So you're normal
pitching staff of eleven or twelve guys, what's gonna be
important These guys eleven to fifty, You're gonna have to

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utilize them early. You have to utilize them often. You're
gonna have to bring along your pictures, uh to keep
them strong and as good and effective as they can be.
But you also have to manage these games with more
of a sense of urgency than ever before. Managers are
so used to playing a hundred sixty two games. They're
so used to giving a player a day off here

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or there, or or maybe not having the lefty face
the lefty in a particular situation because you're trying to
keep his legs strong. There's none of that. Now you
get off to a bad start, you're going home. I
mean after sixty games last year. Uh, the Washington Nationals
would not have made the playoffs and they're the World champions.
So that that's just the wake up call that, look,
the best teams aren't gonna win. That's not what happened

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in the sixty games schedule. The hot teams are gonna
get to the postseason. So you've got to as a
GM or a manager, you have to manage that properly.
Now the other thing, Doug, that's gonna be really complicated
and unique as you're You're not gonna have spring training
in Arizona, Florida. You're gonna have it at home. I
talked to Aaron Boone, the manager of the New York Yankees, yesterday.
I said, how are you going to go about this?
And he said, look, we're gonna end up splitting our

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group into into two halves. We're gonna start right away
by playing some inter squad games, some y bp Uh.
He said, you know, we only have the five the
five mounds, the two bullpen, and in the mountain. And
he said, well, just stagger them as the days go on.
But he said, you know, we don't have a choice
that that's what you have to do. So it's gonna
be a very unique way to try to get your

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players ready to go. And I'm gonna tell you, Doug
as you know, those that know how to handle a
situation like this are gonna have a big advantage come
come July. Do they have to use their home stadium?
I know they have to go to home parks, but
I'll give you example. Okay, I live fifteen minutes from
Anaheim Stadium. So many of the Angels live kind of

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sporadically around in and about Orange County. There are so
many feel, so many places that you can go and
get work in, maybe not of the Major league caliber.
Do you have to by rule? Do they have to
use their home stadium only? No, that they don't, and
they're not going to. You know, the Yankees are going
to use Scranton their Triple A affiliate. Uh, they're gonna

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shuttle some of the players there. If there's sixty players
in their pool, they're gonna keep forty Yankee Stadium and
show about twenty the scrant And so I would think
the Angels probably would do the same thing. But you
know where you live down there in Orange County, Um,
you know there's plenty of spots that's not going to
be an issue. But not every city has that luxury, right,
So so it's challenging for a lot of places. It

(29:38):
won't be for the Angels. Um. Okay. So obviously the
you feel like the best teams per se or the
guy you know, the old school way of two or
three dominant pitchers and then you know bullpen and and
and and timely clutch hitting is what is what wins
you in the postseason. Now we're talking about the ability

(29:59):
to just be deep and me competitive in a night
and night basis. They're changing the the extra inning rules
as well to try and speed this this thing up.
Just off the top of your head, who does have
the best depth, Who on paper is built the best
for this type of season? Well, Yankees, Dodgers are the
most obvious. Really deep bullpens, really really good rotations. The

(30:22):
Nationals are in a great position for this as well,
But then there are some sleeper teams out there as well.
The Padres have a really good deep bullpen that's gonna
benefit them early and if they get off to a
good start. You know, they could be a surprise team
to watch. Um Tampa Bay, Ray's, Oakland Athletics. Two more teams,
really good rotations, really deep bullpens, really good defensive team.

(30:43):
So uh, you know, for me looking at it from
my lens, my former GM lens would be, you know, Yankees,
raise Oakland, A's, Dodgers, Nationals. Uh, perhaps the Cardinals as well,
because they're pitching depth twelve the fifteen is really good.
So those will be some of the team at least
on paper to me, that look like they're gonna have
an advantage when the bell rings. Jim Bowen joining US

(31:05):
former Major League Baseball Jim. He reads work, see his
work on CBS Sports and CBS Sports dot Com. Jim,
what what and and this is? I know it's an
impossible question to ask, Okay, but I'm gonna ask the
impossible of you. What does the financial landscape look like
for the mookie bets of the league in the upcoming
off season. Well, that's a great question. I think Lukey's

(31:27):
gonna get paid. That's that's my own opinion. He's turned
down three million and he's gonna I think he's going
to get a deal with the three in front of it.
I don't think he's going to get a deal with
four in front of it. You know, he wanted the
Mike Trout range under Mike Trout, but with a four
in front, Boston was never willing to go there. But
I think he's going to get the three in front
of it. Look, I think most free agents are going

(31:48):
to take a huge hit, okay, but I don't think
the bets in the real Muto's at the top of
the class. I don't think that's that's gonna take a hit.
Too much talent and there's just not enough of those guys.
But I'll say in general, I wouldn't want to be
a mid level free agent, and I wouldn't be want
to be a salary arbitration eligible four or five plus
player unless I was an All Star, Gold Globe Silver

(32:10):
Slugger type of player. Because you're gonna see a record
number of non tender players, So you're gonna see a
lot of free ases not get offers because the economic
impact of this pandemic is well beyond what everyone is
thinking about right now. And as they were trying to
argue over trying to get this deal done, they were
all missing the big picture of forty million unemployed and

(32:30):
the damage that you did to the game and what
that's gonna mean and ticket revenue going forward. So again,
I think it's gonna be challenging for most players, but
for Mookie, Mookie is gonna get paid. It's a it's
a great point you make that. I've talked to people
in all sports at the administrative level, and they've said, like, look,
we don't know how many people come back to stadiums,
not just because of the fear of the virus, but

(32:51):
if they can afford it, you know, like, you eliminate
forty million people from the workforce, guess what they're not
gonna They're not gonna turn off their TVs or the
cables or whatever they're streaming. Is are gonna cut out
the ancillary spending, which is you know, and and I
don't know if you saw this, but but the greatest
percentage of change in uh in spending is with the

(33:12):
top earners, right, the people who can afford the boxes,
the best seats. They're spending less now, they're being more
and more cautious, and those are the people you need
to fill up the seats in your stadium. To fill
up the boxes. So it's gonna be uh really really interesting. Jim,
I cannot tell you how much I appreciate listening to
you getting information, learning about the sport that you were
so great uh in working in. Thanks for joining us.

(33:34):
Thank you all right. Jim Bowden mlb GM Executive of
the Year when he's an MLBG M. Of course you
can read his work in the Athletic Baseball is back.
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(34:18):
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game today today? We've got so right now we're gonna
look at Major League Baseball because hopefully it's returning. Let's
rank the teams to win the World Series. We have

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the Dodgers, Yankees, Astros, Nationals, Braves, Twins, and Phillies. You
cut out the Angels. I see the Angels on my list. Okay.
Number three will be the Nationals. Their depth of starting
pitching is outstanding. Number two will be the Jenks. Um.
I like the Yankees. I'm a little cautious of their

(35:03):
starting pitching that they've obviously improved in the offseason having
the biggest uh signing, But in terms of depth of
starting pitching, and I'm gonna take the Dodgers as number one.
Dodgers been in two World Series, Dodgers been closed. Dodgers
have a very good depth of starting pitching as well.
I'll go uh uh in that order, three to one,
NAT's Yankees Dodgers. All Right, how about who's gonna have

(35:25):
the most wins as a starting pitcher. We've got Max Scherzer,
Clayton Kershaw, Garrett Cole, Steven Strasburg, Justin Verlander, Zach Rank,
Jacob de Graham, and shohy O Tommy Man. I'm not
sure any of them just be you know, because so
many of these guys won't pitch the four and two
thirds it takes to get a win earlier in the year,

(35:48):
and so you know, the winds will go to whoever
relieves them. Um. You know, maybe you'll have them be openers,
and maybe they won't be the openers. But let's just go.
I'm gonna go uh de gram three, Garrett Cole to
ensures your one. Alright, who will have the most home runs?

(36:10):
We've got a list here, Mike Trout, Pete Alonso, Cody Bellinger,
Aaron Judge, John Carlos Stanton, Christian yellowch Ronald Decunia Jr.
Nelson Cruz, and Bryce Harper. Yeah this again. I'm gonna
be hard. Whoever starts starts the quickest, right, So let's go. Um.

(36:31):
Bryce Harper three belly too, he started incredibly hot last year,
and Trout one. And finally best ballpark food or snacks.
We've got hot dogs, peanuts, popcorn, brought worst a burger,
cracker Jack's, cotton candy or sunflower seeds. Where's beer? It's

(36:54):
not on the list. Beer is a sandwich in a can. Okay,
I'm gonna go. Um, we're talking to a baseball game, right, yes,
sir mm hmmm, some flower seeds three, And it's moves
up when you're not with the ladies, because then you

(37:15):
don't need to spit in the cup. You can just
spit on the ground. Right. Why are you spinning on
the ground because I can uh? Popcorn two? I love
popcorn and hot dog one. And I should point out
that no matter what it tastes like the smell of
hot dogs and popcorn, no human beings should be able
to resist. This is game time on the duck gotlip

(37:38):
Show Ramo. So you go to a game? What do
you what do you buy or what do you pick up?
I'm with you hot dogs number one. I love me
some peanuts and I'm with you on sunflower seeds. My
son loves peanuts music. What do you like? I'm a
big time brought Worse guy. I like brought Worse more
than hot dogs. Um. I love some flower seeds and
I'm a big fan of popcorn as well. So yeah,

(38:00):
I love brought worst. I love brod worst. The The
the issue is I make really good broad Worst at home,
although I don't actually make the broad worst. When you
have a brought worst, do you put mustard on it?
You eat a Plaine, a little bit of mustard, but
I mainly like the spicy brought worst. The spicy brought worst. Yes,
almost like Italian sausage style. Ralph, Ralph, what is Ralph? Ever?

(38:21):
What is your your ballpark pick? Not on the list?
Nachos not fake cheese is good? Good call Ralph? Vervin
lays and gentlemen. If he says nothing else the rest
of the day, he can tree. He went off. He
went off menu, which is a very Hollywood thing to do,
right ordering off menu. He goes off menu and absolutely

(38:41):
nails it. Although I will point out that nachos are
better at home unless you like that gooey fake cheese stuff.
But they are still good and you can dip all
other things in that cheese. The only problem with baseball
cheese is they put it on the side, not necessarily
the nacho. He might be the most underrated player in
the NFL. Who is he? We discussed next. Be sure
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(39:02):
weekdays at three pm Easter noon Pacific on Fox Sports
Radio and the I Heart Radio a app. What Up
Doug Godlip Show, Fox Sports Radio. I hope you're having
a good day, man. We got a lot of things
still still to come. If you miss Jim Bowden, former
Major League Baseball GM, he joined me last hour. You
can download the Doug Gotlip Show podcast the conclusion of

(39:23):
this show. Um Brock Heeworg is gonna join us. Jff
Schwartz is gonna join us as well. Uh, it's interesting.
I was listening to Chris Sims earlier today. Um, a
clip of what he said was from another radio show
was played, and he had Matt Ryan is the seventh
ranked quarterback in the National Football League. And I know

(39:46):
what happens is we're gonna do this thing that you're
gonna be up so up in arms that you're like,
I can't believe Matt and I and then you start
to catch your breath and realize whom Ryan is and
realize who he plays for. Did did you guys know
that the Falcons never had back to back winning seasons

(40:09):
until he got there? They never head back to back
ten wins and see ten win season until he got there.
Do you guys know that this this is actually what
took place? Like the we think of the Falcons because
Mike Vick was cool and talented and and one and
one on the road in Green Bay as on a
wild card game. That the Falcons were always they were awesome,

(40:31):
and then Matt Shab replaced him, and then eventually Matt Ryan,
and they've been good, but he has been the picture
of stability in a very unstable franchise. I'm not going
to tell you that the Falcons were good last year.
In fact is the Falcons were not. There's seven and nine.
I am going to point out that the Falcons finished
the season winners of four consecutive games. And while those

(40:55):
games may not be impressive to you because they beat
the Bucks in overtime. The Jaguars last two games to
beat the Niners on the road, right, They beat the
Niners in the road, beat the Saints on the road,
and that was after kind of a come to Jesus.
They went through up a six game losing streak in
the middle of the year, and it was mostly mostly
their defense. Offense wasn't great against the Rams, offense wasn't

(41:19):
good against the Titans at home, but they gave up
fifty three to the Texans, thirty seven to the Rams,
and when they lost six in row, they completely changed
put offensive coaches on defense, defensive coaches on offense changed
completely what they're doing, and the team turned it around.
The team won six of their last eight. Of those

(41:40):
six wins, four were on the road. Of the four
road wins, one was in San Francisco, one was in
New Orleans. Those are the two toughest places to play.
But I'm not even gonna take last year as just
a snapshot of Matt Ryan. I would contend that if
you were really honest about it, you would think Matt
Ryan is a a bridge quarterback, middle of the road.

(42:02):
His numbers tell you otherwise. In two thousand and sixteen,
he won the m v P. They went to the
Super Bowl eee, they were up to three, they chose
to keep slinging it and they ultimately lost to the Patriots.
Is that on him, sure, But he did have a
great year at thirty eight touchdowns, seven receptions. The next
year his offensive coordinator left, They struggled, he turned the
ball over too much, twenty touchdowns, twelve interceptions. In two

(42:26):
thousand eighteen, it's like people have so quickly forgotten thirty
five touchdowns, seven interceptions, and last year the interceptions were
up fourteen, with twenty six touchdowns The point is this
guy slings it. He's never hurt. Solid as the day
is long, good player, capable of leading it to a
super Bowl. And the truth is that could have won
the super Bowl. When you're up three, Do you need

(42:49):
to keep scoring to keep winning? Yeah, I guess you do.
And he made some he did not make some of
the best plays in the world, and they did not
call some of the best plays in the world when
they had that lead, and ultimately that she could have
changed his career trajectory. But go through the list of
quarterbacks that you like and find one in the type

(43:09):
of franchise and division that they play, and that's been
as consistently um successful. Matt Ryan's a damn good quarterback.
My Ryan's a top ten quarterback is the seventh. I
don't know. Everything is subjective, but okay, I'll give you
Carson Wentz is better. Nobody else in the NFC East

(43:29):
has proven themselves to be more successful. You can say
what you want to back Dak Prescott, but Dak Prescott
has never been mentioned in nor should he have been
mentioned in the candidacy for the m v P Okay.
So you got Carson Wentz and Carson Wentz has won
what one playoff game, so Matt Ryan's achieved more. I
would tell you Carson Wentz is better. In the NFC
North Matt Staffords drow him for a ton of yards,

(43:52):
but they don't win anything. Chicago has two quarterbacks, which
means they don't have one. Kirk Cousins is good. He's fine.
He won in New Orleans. It Mett Ryan lest year,
and the Green Bay Packers have Aaron Rodgers who's got
crazy armed talents, a better quarterback. The Saints have Drew Brees,
not the same guy he used to be, historically better
right now, probably not better than Matt Ryan. Tom Brady

(44:16):
obviously more successful, but didn't have a better year than
Matt Ryan last year. He's just won more games and
has had a far better career. Would you take him
ahead of Matt Ryan right now? I'm not sure the
answer is yes, We'll see. And the Niners have Garoppolo,
who is capable of the big mistake. Russell Wilson, who
I tell you is better. Go to the a f

(44:37):
C Patriots, No Bills, No, I love Sam Donald. They
finished seven and two, but they're wins at the end
of the season. A lot like Matt Ryan's wins at
the end of the the season. Dolphins not yet. Lamar Jackson,
how long can you sustain that he's one? M v
P SO has uh so is Matt Ryan. Ben Roethlienberger
has had a better career, didn't play last year. We

(44:57):
had no idea what was gonna be looking nobody else
in that division. Deshaun Watson better. Deshaun Watson has flaws,
but better quarterback. I have no argument. I'm not gonna
argue that Matt Ryan's more solid to Shaun Watson's more spectacular.
But outside of that, nobody else in the a f
C South Pat Mahomes better. Nobody else in the a

(45:19):
f C West is better than that Ryan. I tell you,
Chris Simps just about nailed it seventh fine, But for
whatever reason, because Matt Ryan is kind of blah. Maybe
it's because he did have some uh some tough interceptions
this year. He is some bad interceptions going back to
two years before two years ago, or before he got

(45:40):
Kyle Shanahan, he had a bit of an up and
down career. The guy never misses a start. The guy
is deadly accurate. The guy's a good leader. He's well,
respecting the locker room. Is he the best player on earth? No,
No one's arguing that. But outside of Mahomes and Rogers
and Russell Wilson and the absolute greats of the game,
he's in any conversation with other guys you'd like to

(46:02):
have run your franchise. My contention to you is that
Matt Ryan becomes kind of that most overlooked, um underrated
player in the National Football League. And I think when
I say Matt Ryan and say where do you rank him,
you'd automatically go out of twelve to eighteen, And then

(46:23):
you start to go through teams, You're like, yeah, he
probably is the top ten quarterback. Their defensive ranking the
last six season in points per game eight when they
finished eight top ten in defense. Do you know what
that coincided with? They went to the Super Bowl? Imagine

(46:47):
that right last year and fourteen? Why do you throw
fourteen receptions? Because seven points allout? Because the guy's gotta
make up for the flaws of his defensive He forces
some things. It's a reality of it. This is what
Tony Romo told me a long time ago, Like you
don't have a top ten defense, you're not going to
Super Bowl case in point, the Atlanta Falcons. So I'm

(47:09):
not annoying him the greatest quarterback of all time, I'm
not putting him in the conversation of Aaron Rodgers. I
do think Kyler Murray's got a ton of talent. Russell
Wilson's obviously shown himself to be better, uh in the
long term. But you could do a lot worse than
that Ryan, a lot worse than that Ryan. And it's

(47:30):
interesting because his name, for whatever reason, never gets brought
up among the tops again, which may be fined by him.
He's like a man already got paid and I'm good
coming up next. Sooner or later, you're gonna have to realize.
I'm gonna have to realize this. Okay, this is a
really really important thing you gotta pay attention to. Pro

(47:50):
athletes are ready to start playing sports again. I'll explain next.
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three p m. Easter New Pacific.
I've been doing a lot of reading, you know. It's
just different how your your patterns changing music. You're you're
that way. You've always been a documentary guy. You're always
been a big reader. But you know, like I don't know,
part of my sports life has always been Flip on.

(48:11):
He was on game Wise, and I did in the
NASCAR race. Was really exciting yesterday. But I was watching
and I've seen there's a tennis tournament going back a
week ago, and it was Croatians and Serbians playing together.
Of course, if you know anything about the history of
of the downfall the Soviet Block, Salvia Union, of course,
the you know, some of the Communist countries, and then

(48:33):
Yugoslavia had their own civil war in which the Croats
and Serbs fought broke apart some great basketball teams. Um
I I thought it was fascinating to watch this tennis tournament,
and then Novak Djokovic put it on. Well, Joker tested
positive to day and you're getting people shaming him for
you at a party, celebration or whatever they were. Obviously

(48:55):
I'll tested forehand out positive for it. Then I saw this.
Despite having two players diagnosed with coronavirus and assistant coach
Tess positive last week, Tampa Buccaneers players are continuing to
hold group workouts at a local high school. The Tampa
a Times reported Tom Brady and several teammates were at
Berkeley Prep working out on Tuesday morning, despite the NFL
Players Association advising against such workout. Gronk, Chris Godwin, Scotty Miller,

(49:18):
Jamal Dean, Sean Murphy, Bunting, Mike Edwards, Playing Gabbert, Ryan Griffin,
Ryan Jensen all there and nfl ba's medical director, Dr
U Tom Mayer. And I always hate when Tom is
spelled Thom, but it's Tom Mayor said that Saturday. The
players should not be quote engaging in practicing together in

(49:38):
private workouts. Well, they're obviously not listening to you, and
I do there's a there's a place in the middle here.
There's a place in the middle here. And what's funny
is I do think music. You tell me if I'm wrong.
Clay Travis actually thinks he's occupying the middle and he's

(50:00):
aunt right. There's the you know, Clay went on his
his digital thing and on Twitter and said, you know,
Dr Fouci has been wrong about everything, like no, no,
he isn't Dr Fouch. She's a scientist. And the things
he says it backed up by by by signs. There
have been some finding some studies which don't pass the

(50:21):
sniff test or haven't passed the past the scientific test. Okay,
he hasn't, you know, make no doubt about it. While
the quarantine was devastating to our economy, it was also
devastating to the spread of the coronavirus. Like the job
was done. It should also be pointed out that for

(50:43):
the most part, Foucci has said not gonna have a
vaccine until two thousand one. Now wal Foucci doesn't necessarily
know how football will be played. He's also said there
won't be another quarantine. And no one has ever said
that this the virus itself is going to have some

(51:04):
ridiculously high mortality rate. It's the volume of people it
spreads to will bring up hospitalizations and people on ventilators.
And the fear was always that the hospitals become overwhelmed.
And that leads to the old decision that people in
triage at wars have to make, not does it not?

(51:26):
Does you know? It's it's it's you just can't treat everybody.
This person lives, this person dies simply because we don't
have enough people bodies beds to to to treat people.
That hasn't played out, but there's a there's a middle
ground there between this thing isn't what they said it is,
and we should still be completely under quarantine. And that's

(51:47):
the world in which I think most people live. It's like,
all right, we're gonna wear masks, we're gonna wash our hands,
probably not gonna go clubbing, but we're also going to
live our lives. And you know, it's like, wait on
what you I think some people aren't listening because when

(52:08):
I listen, I hear that the virus gets weakened over
the summer. It's weakest in the sunlight. You can't resist heat.
And the best way for you, in addition to quarantining
and staying clean and wearing a mask, the best way
to get yourself to a place to where it can
be either asymptomatic or the symptoms can be very slight

(52:30):
is exercise, which is what these guys are doing. Look,
I know that that that the news and some of
our news outlets have caused you to panic. Some of
those news outlets have caused you to revolt and say
this is all dumb. The truth is somewhere in the middle, right.

(52:51):
The truth is athletes are going to go back to work.
They want to play they didn't become pro athletes because
they're scared of getting hurt, of getting sick. They just
didn't like asked them like, really, do you want to
go play? Yeah, of course I want to play. Are
you scared? Like like Rob Rob Gronkowski? Okay? Rob Gronkowski

(53:16):
had back surgery in college. That's why he fell in
the draft. He had four surgeries on his forearm right. Remember,
he had an infection as well. He had have cleaned out.
That's why the multiple surgeries. He had a c l
in surgery and he had another back surgery. He retired
for a year. He came back. Do you think he
came back to not get himself in great playing shape
and be ready to go once they say go? You know,

(53:40):
I think on some level, the same people that are
really educated don't believe that we've educated ourselves. So when
Malcolm Gladwell writes a novel in which it says ten
to ten rule, like you think guys are just gonna
sit at home, They're not sitting at home. We talked
about with Lebron and Ben Simmons, like I didn't. I
didn't shame Lebron and Ben sim Is for going and

(54:00):
working out in a gym and not having masks and
playing playing basketball like these guys have all asked their doctors,
Am I at risk? Not really? No, if you get it,
you'll be asymptomatic. If you have symptoms, you know, well,
we'll give you a treat. You you're you're not in
the risk group. Got to be very careful about going
home and being around elderly people. But this this shaming

(54:25):
of people of athletes going back to doing athletic things.
What are we doing? You know? And and don't get
me wrong, and plenty of smart people that do dumb things.
Ben Roethlsberg, of course, people forget that he had a
motorcycle and went over the handlebars, didn't have a helmet on,
and people have told him like, what are you doing
a motorcycle? Why don't you have a helmet on? Smart

(54:46):
people do dumb things. I don't think working out in
Tampa is a dumb thing. Which is not You're gonna
have to as you read these statistics over positive test,
you have to understand that positive test do not mean
people are symptomatic or even sick. It's not hospitalizations. Even
hospitalizations are not people on ventilators. Those that that's the

(55:09):
number that matters, really, really sick people who even if
they recover, have lung capacity issues when they come back.
And those numbers just don't exist for professional athletes. And
I saw there's a Harvard study that I read this morning,
like this is what I'm doing at the running my

(55:31):
my dogs running in the park, and I'm reading this
Harvard study in which and which, uh, black people are
like six times higher, uh, six times more likely to
be hospitals hospitalized because of coronavirus. If you're like right,

(55:51):
and there's all sorts of issues as to why, and
it's like nobody steps in and says, okay, well, what
is the what is this one? What is the socioeconomic
level of people who are being hospitalized? Because it stands
the reason that people are hospitalized are hospitalized because they
don't know they have and they get sick and they
don't see proper treatment early. Right. And and secondly, like, yes,

(56:16):
six times more likely seems really high. When there are
no hospitalizations for people and one group in a small
sample size pops up with a couple people hospitalized, it's
going to completely skew the numbers. If you don't think
Lebron James has received the best medical advice, Like that's
a billion and he himself is a billion dollar corporation.

(56:38):
Once you see him playing pick up all with his guys,
you know that athletes have gotten the word. You're gonna
be fine. You gotta be smart. You know you're not
gonna lick you know, lick every poll before you go
into a gym. Hey, you're not gonna do the you know,
European thing and kiss people on the mouth or even
on the cheek. You're gonna be smart about it. But

(57:01):
you see Lebron James and Tom Brady, two guys who
are collectively billion a billionaire and probably individually at some
point will be a billionaire in their lifetime. When you
see them going back to work and getting ready for
their seasons to resume or to begin, you know that
they've gotten word from the best of the best doctors.

(57:21):
You're okay, And and I don't blame doctors. They're always
a doctor. You sprain an ankle of doctors like man,
you're out a month, athletes are back that week. That's
the difference between athletes and regular humans. Are civilians, their
bodies are built differently. It's not just in mentality. That's
a good portion of it. But it's also just athletes

(57:43):
don't generally get sick because your body builds up antibodies
and fights things off because you're in prime Olympic level
athletic physical condition. I'm not telling you anything. You don't
know if if you're really really scared, you're allowed to
shut it down, to work at home to protect yourself

(58:05):
from the virus. Just you can't tell these athletes who
have received their own medical advice. I believe to do so.
Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in
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Jef Schwartz is Smarter than You. He joins us here

(58:27):
on the Doug Gatlap Show on Fox Sports Radio. He's
Jeff Schwartz. Uh, Jeff, what are your thoughts on especially
football players getting back after Tom Brady holding private workouts
even though the medical director of the m f n
f l p A is telling them not to do so. Well,
of course they're going to do it because the season
starts at least training camp starts in like four weeks man.
I mean, these guys are filling the inch of means

(58:49):
to get ready for training camp, and they're gonna do
what they can to to fulfill that need to get ready. Look,
if you're not ready to play and you have a
bad training camp, Tom Brady's extreme example is he's not
really gonna have a bad training camp. Let's say you're,
you know, mid level player, you have a bad training
camp because you're not ready to play and the team
cuts you. Are you gonna allow to tell the team, Hey, guys,

(59:11):
you know the PA told me I couldn't work out
if a group. I'm just I just didn't really work
out very hard. Of course, not right. So guys continue
to work out. We're trying to do it as safely
as possible. But guys are not gonna stop working out.
This is March. Yes, I think you have guys stopping.
But right now, the season is four weeks away from
training camp. Guys are are preparing like they're gonna play
in four weeks. This is something interesting that I just

(59:34):
thought of. It's it's one of the things the arguments
that I make against the college. Guys are forced to
do things on campus that they don't want to do right.
You know, it's like you know, we we we gotta
we gotta go work out every day. We gotta go
like you'd be working out every day at home. Anyway,
what are we what are we really talking about? You're
only doing so under proper coaching, with proper technique and

(59:56):
better facilities, so that part kind of goes out the window. Um, okay,
so what are your thoughts? And we you and I
have had some text back and forth about it. A
good portion of college football is they're they're testing their
student athletes. You got Clemson popping up I think twenty
three positives. Houston closed up shot because they had like

(01:00:17):
eight positives. Indiana has no positives. Pact twelve has been
a slow rollout. What's what's your observation a week or
two into college athletes being back on campus. Well, we
expected positive tests. I mean, I think there's no way
around it. And I don't know how you know, I
know Indiana there's no positive test, and Norda ain't had
one or two. And you know, the patrol schools have

(01:00:38):
slowly rolled on. The only Colorado has had positive tests
so far out west, look, it's gonna happen and it's
just a matter of how these teams are doing it.
Some teams have waited to test, so guys are almost
in contact with each other right like they're not doing it.
I think I think even thought to take Kentucky hasn't
even like tested their kids yet. Like, you have to
do it the right way. You have to be able
to test and then get the results and then let

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your kids back on campus to start working out. And
I think I free which school it was that said
like they're going to UM to they basically you know,
if it's like a no going out policy and and
and if you violate the team rule of not going
out to a bar or a club, that they can
provoke your scholarship. I mean that just sounds stilly, right,
And I don't know how you how you tell kids

(01:01:22):
not to go out. Also once they're off campus and
away from the building. I don't know how you can
regulate their life like that. There's there's other ways to do
do that, by the way, which is scheduling early morning workouts.
That's the way for for most players to not go
out the night before UM. But it is gonna happen. Dog,
It's just a matter of of can we get to
training camp in a month and have most of your
players healthy and ready to go. I am more concerned

(01:01:45):
about the coaches getting sick and the equipment guys getting
stick and the trainers then the players. Right, the data
is showing that the players wall they can, they can
easily get sick, most are asymptomatic, and most are not
gonna have life threatening um life threatening illness from COVID.
Now we don't know disclaiming that we don't know long
term effects of COVID on on your body, but in

(01:02:07):
the short term. But the coaches and the equipment staff
and and the support people, they're the ones I'm more
concerned about getting sick because they're the ones who are
in the age group that COVID can be deadly for them. Yeah,
and and but on the other hand, if they're at home,
you know, they run the risk of bringing that back
into their families and to their parents and grandparents who

(01:02:28):
are also in that So it's it's almost a damned
if you're doing damned if you don't. It's not perfect.
And and look, I have very various reasons why I
want football back. I mean, just selfishly, I want to
have work, I mean, I feel like there's no football.
A lot of us don't have work, and I enjoy playing,
but I mean watching I didn't enjoy playing by mein

(01:02:48):
for me, I've always felt that football by the time
we got to September would signify, you know, life is
sort of getting back to normal. And I hate that
term new normal, but that might be what we are
in kind of right now. If we couldn't figure out
from March into until September how to get us back
on the fields as football players, then really, in my mind,

(01:03:10):
we have failed, right like, like we have not been
able to handle the in six months. We couldn't find
a way to get football back. So football, to me
coming back has been like Okay, some normal seats returning. Look,
the NBA should be back soon. Baseball fum got their
act together. Like that feels to me like Okay, I
know people are getting six still, I know it's not perfect. Um,
it's not gonna be perfect maybe ever, but football coming

(01:03:32):
back would be like, Okay, we have some normal seats
back in our lives. Even if there's no fans in
the seats, women is fans, we have half the season,
whatever it is. I just have rooted for football to
be back because it feels like like we have some
normal life again, no question about it. I I agree
with you. Um. I went through quarterback. Chris Sims said
that Matt Ryan's the seventh best quarterback in the NFL.

(01:03:54):
And what happens when you say that, as people go, oha,
Matt Ryan's like average quarterback, and then you start to
look at and take a breath. And while you wouldn't
put him in the Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson, Pat Mahomes variety. UM,
I don't think seven's too high or too low. It's
it's right around. Like we can argue numbers wise, guys.

(01:04:16):
The m v P and their season has been in
terms of success has been directly reflective of if their
defense is and the only time they had a top
ten defense. I go to a super Bowl, you played
against him, you cover the NFL. How good is Matt Ryan?
I mean he can be really good. Obviously we don't
want anything. I'm a big fan of a tier system

(01:04:36):
when we ranked players, because once you get past the
top tier, I mean, then you know is he is
he seven or is he ten? I don't I'm with
your back. I'm with you. Yeah, I think he's in
that second tier quarterbacks at the back in that second tier.
But you're right, they have the Falcons have wonder lost
games really on their defense, which Dan Quinn is a

(01:04:57):
defensive coach, like, dude, that's your that's your baby. Failed
a lot of draft picks in the first round on
that side of the ball that had injuries as well. Um,
Matt Ryan looked. They drafted off into line last year.
They have all the weapons. He can be really good.
He played inside. Obviously. I don't think he gets to
love because he's not a supreme league gifted athlete. Right,

(01:05:18):
he's not a runner his arm. I wouldn't say he's
got the greatest m talent. I think he kind of
gets lost in the NFC South with Breeze as well,
and obviously Cam is now gone and out, Tom Brady's
in Tampa Bay. Matt Ryan is really good. He didn't
get the credit he deserves, I think for all those reasons. Okay,
so here's here's an honest question. Cam Newton him both
played and loss of Super Bowl. Cam Newton him were

(01:05:38):
both m vps. Who's who's had a better career. Oh,
that's a great question. Um, wow, that they had different careers. Um,
I mean Matt has had I think sustained has been
he was two dozen seven draft I believe, so he's
been you know, had it a longer career, been healthier. Um.
You know Cam Newton obviously, his ability to use his

(01:06:01):
arm and his legs was so unique. I mean I
think that that just that talent alone, something that we
really don't see. That size to guys, he's look a
defense eve ent like he's not He's not Tyler Murray, right,
I mean he's he's six five, like two thirty five.
He's huge. Um, I think probably Matt Ryan, But it
really is not a slight on Cam at all. I
just think that you know, Cam hasn't been healthy the
last year and a half. Matt's players in two thousand

(01:06:23):
and seven, I think virtually every game, right has he
missed many games for for helping here and there, three
games in game three games Ryan. I mean just it's
just it's just longevity. Really, I mean I think Cam well,
I mean, like, look in terms of completion percentage, it's
not close. In terms of interceptions, it's not close. Um.

(01:06:43):
I'll let me check out win loss record. Matt Ryan
is one O nine and it was at one O
nine and one oh nine and eighty. Okay, he's one
O nine and eighty Cam Newton in comparison, of course,
Cam Newton um is fifty five and one, so kind
of similar, kind of similar. Obviously the peak of Cam

(01:07:07):
also coincided with a great defense, but the peak of
Cam was then m VP of fifteen one season. Uh,
they never led in that Super Bowl. But um, and
you're and and and as much as Cam Newton had
been banged up, he had and actually missed a bunch
of games until last year, which is interesting. Half of
that season injured, which is silly, but they were good

(01:07:28):
with with with with the bad shoulder. I think the
difference is I mean, like, look, a fifty nine and
a half percent completion percentage is opposed to sixty five
percent completion percentage that you make up for it with
the fact that he's been able to run and been
a dominant runner. I don't actually think it's all that close,
but okay, I would I agree with you, Matt Ryan.
It's if you told somebody Matt Ryner Cam Newton better career,

(01:07:48):
people would say Cam Newton and you're like, yeah, not really,
not really. And I do think he benefits from playing
in the dome and hide some of your arms strength.
But I also think armstrength can be massively, massively overrated.
I think he he's he's hurt by his inability to run,
but I think running can be really overrated. Because I'm
I'm with you on the running part. I think the

(01:08:09):
pocket mobility is just we used. We see the word
running too much in my opinion that we should use
mobility right like like even even Russell Wilson. Russell Wilson
is not really a running quarterback. He attempts to run
the ball, and he's done far less in his career
as he gets older. He actually does far less in
the playoffs, by the way, because that's what he you know,
you went from the pocket. He can throw, he can

(01:08:30):
run if he has to, but that's not what his
goal is. His goal is not is not to run
the ball very often. So I'm not gonna turn mobility.
Matt Ryan is mobile enough in the pocket. That's what matters. Yes, Um,
Jamal Adams, you're the Jets. What do you do? I mean,
I think you keep him? I don't I know that
people and I'm as big of a player's advocate is
anyone out there. But like the under contracting, you want

(01:08:52):
you know you're in this weird mode if you're the Jets,
where you're you're sort of rebuilding, but you sort of
have a window now with Tom Brady gone where you
can maybe attack and find a way to try to
get in the NFC as you mean the a FC
East picture. And Jamal is a player that you hope
it's part of that court right of that young core
of Jets players. So I would keep him. I like,

(01:09:13):
I mean, I love for Jamala jezz money and go
to Dallas and be happy. But if you're the Jets,
why would you. He has no choice either plays or
he doesn't play. If he doesn't play, it he just
I guess he just sits out or he shows up,
and we want he plays for you guys and helps
you win football games. I don't think the Jets are
obligated all to get rid of I didn't they do
keep him? Um? Okay, Dak signs a franchise tender. Why

(01:09:36):
do you think he's signed it now? UM? A couple
of reasons. One is I think maybe the negotiations just
won't go anywhere but the Cowboys, and he just decided
to sign and get his guarantee money. But I also
do wonder if you know, is he testing positive for
COVID and some other NFL players testing positive as well.

(01:09:58):
You got Jack's thinking about, Hey, and if I tested
positive with the Cowboys pulled my franchise offer because they
can still do that, you know what, they pulled my
Actually don't know if they can still pull it, but um,
I do wonder if that was in his mind, like, hey,
let me just sign this tender guarantees my money and
I'm guaranteed for thirty million dollars. And no, you don't
know if I don't play this year, if there's some shenanigans,

(01:10:20):
I get my money, and I'm not worried about um
uh not having to do I'm not sure they could
pull it still. I know Jos see the deadline, so
maybe that's the deadline. But I do wonder if it
is the testing positive changed his mind about just getting
under contract, you know at the you know, the quickest
that should do it. How's the pool? It's good. I'm
looking right now. They almost finished the limestone around the edges.

(01:10:44):
We're gonna trees on Thursday. Some landscape be going on.
So nice, man, I'm glad. I'm glad. I went golfing
on Father's Day and I just was so hot. It
was like ninety plus the greed. I just got home,
jumped in the pool, felt great. Should have taken off
your clothes first, although maybe not. I don't know. I
I mean, I mean I was in I took my
clothes off. That's the purpose thing to do. You play?

(01:11:04):
You played a full eighteen, right, I get to fourteen
and I get that golf a D D and I'm like,
how close we to the clubhouse? Full a teen? No problem?
We played. We played skins on the back nine, so
I didn't have to shoot everything. I don't have to
shoot every single time. But that kind of kept things
right because you played for money, kind of kept things
very interesting. But the first time I played golf in
a year, I surprised I made it that long. Honestly,

(01:11:25):
I'm with you, like about whole twelve and thirteen, it's like,
all right, can we just like wrap this thing up? Yes,
that's why you cracked the beer and you try and
keep them flowing, and then you go like, all right, well,
I'd like to go now, but I need to sober
up before I get to get to get to my
car or if we get to that next cool one
at the at the clubhouse. The Schwartz be with you.
Thank you for joining us, alright, Jeff Schwartz. Jeff Swartz

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Dan Patrick Show was discussing one of the most underrated
positions in the NFL. Take a listen, who would you
rather have? Would you rather have one of the best
strong safeties or would you rather have maybe the greatest

(01:12:50):
kicker in NFL history? And Justin Tucker. I mean Justin
Tucker is the best kicker right now. His stats are GOOFY.
I would rather have Justin Tucker because I know that
he'll actually win. He can win games, games on the line,
he has kick field goal, he wins the game. Now,

(01:13:11):
Jamal Adams plays on a team that's not any good,
But I have a guy that if we get close,
I'm gonna win or force overtime. How many players can
you say that about that are not quarterbacks? That guy
gives me a chance to win. Justin Tucker. He's not
even ranked in the top one players in the NFL. Um. Look,

(01:13:34):
I agree with what Dan saying about Justin Tucker, and
those guys are just hard to find, and once you
find one, you hold onto him and you hope they
don't age, don't hurt, don't get hurt, and don't don't
get the yips. Right, That's that's essentially what what you're
all hoping for, um, and and and but part of

(01:13:54):
it is also just the economies of scale. I mean,
look at like Earl Thomas, who was is a great safety,
is still good safety. Obviously had his off the field
issue here earlier this year, which I I think he's
going to end up kind of avoiding some sort of
severe punishment. But it was twenty two million upfront, combined
with the set twenty two million last year, ten million,

(01:14:15):
eleven million, and twelve million over the last three years
of his deal with the Ravens. The third year is
not guaranteed, and while there is five million dollars in
dead cap money, they could get out of it not
after this year, but after next year. That's the that's
the range. And again that's a guy who's a little
bit past his prime in his third contract. And this

(01:14:36):
is what this is what UM Jamal Adams is trying
to destroy, is that that safety market. I would agree
that a great kicker is invaluable, and it wasn't until
really the past couple of years when Gostkowski, you know,
against the Eagles heat in the Super Bowl heat went
missed the field goal on an extra point. UM got

(01:14:58):
hurt right, his rear is not the same until those
New England hasn't felt the pain that everybody else has felt,
which is when you don't have a great kicker. Man,
it makes everything really really really hard. And especially when
you're in Baltimore the way they're playing right where they're
trying to just score points. Every time, you know, the
drive drive stalls out. You got justin Tucker like, that's

(01:15:19):
the way. I know the red zone numbers are really
good for Lamar. But the way in which that style
works is we saw it in Denver. Shortened the game,
score points, take long field goals, whatever, and you know,
long sustained drives, your defense days out the field and
then they can kind of pin their ears back. You
play with the lead, et cetera. So they're they're both valuable.

(01:15:40):
You can have them. But the Ravens have it both.
They have a very good safety, not the greatest safety
in the game anymore, but still very good safety, and
they have the best kicker in the game. I think
that's where you have to find kind of the happy medium.
Nobody says you have to have one or the other.
This is not either or This is not the game
you play with your kids? Would you rather what? Isn't

(01:16:01):
both an option? He took a test d all of
the above, But I do think I if if Dan said,
the premise to his argument is forget Jamal Adams. The
most underrated position in football is the kicker. I completely
agree with you, Um, I, I completely agree with you.

(01:16:23):
And now here's the thing. You can't have underrated without
having overrated. Does that mean running backs the most overrated
position in the NFL? Or is it go to wide
receivers the best most overrated position in the NFL? I
don't know. It's it's a good one. It's a good one.

(01:16:43):
He's a good good he's a good good discussion. Um,
just a note, do you guys remember Mark Sanchez is
in and out order music? Do you remember what it was?
I believe it was chopped Chili's chopped, chopped peppercini, Chili's right,
they're not? Yeah, yeah yeah? Had it today. It was amazing.

(01:17:07):
It's amazing. Um. I was thinking about a burger challenge
we could do in studio one day, maybe next week.
So we what we do? Fat burger in and out
burger shake shack? Do we, five guys? Is that what
we want? To do. What do you guys think do
we include Tommy Burger in there? I love Tommy Burger.
I do too, Tommy Burger. For people aren't in Los Angeles.

(01:17:28):
That's uh, there's chili on every Burger. Music just is shake, shock,
and and and five guys? Are they out of towners?
So we don't include them? When we just do five
guys in Fat Burger as well as in and that?
Would you? You know you're the producer, you tell me.
I think we include as many as possible, get a
full range of things, like starve ourselves for for a week.

(01:17:49):
Is that what we do? Starve ourselves? I I can
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Fox Sports Radio? What he has been your go to

(01:18:13):
show to watch on TV? And I bring this up
because I think early on people got caught up in
you know, Tiger King, right, some of the Netflix shows.
We watched Cheer, which is on Netflix. Um Music one
those shows did you go in early on go kind
of binge and watch and and catch up on Well,

(01:18:36):
definitely Tiger King. Um, watched the good amount of the Office,
and uh been watching some Aerial America and Shark Tank recently.
Speaking of Shark Tank, that's actually been hazing my go
to show. Like when you're a dad, like you want
them to watch kid shows. Some of the kid shows

(01:18:57):
are so awful, right, and then you and be like, Okay,
well my daughters are starting to their going to high
school next year, so you can kind of watch more
mature stuff. And then it's like whoa, whoa wait, too
mature to mature, it's either like to immature tune. So
we've started to watch Shark Tank, which is amazing. It's
a really good show. Um. And it's fascinating to watch

(01:19:21):
people's level of prepperedness for such a moment, you know,
for such a moment understanding where there um um uh,
you know, where where they kind of fit in the
landscape of things, Understanding what makes their business special. Like

(01:19:42):
I would say, Ryan, you tell me if you think
this is from like the most the biggest mistake that
most people make is in the value in the valuation
of their company, Right, that's the one to what you
walk in You're like sharks, I'm looking for ten percent
of my company at a hundred thousand dollars. Like okay,
so your evaluation, your copies and a million dollars. What
are your sales? And like, well, I sold eighty dollars

(01:20:04):
with the stuff last year and we're projecting it a hundred.
But what are your actual what's your what do you
net out of that? Well, we only net about like
where is the one million dollars? And they just get
kind of picked and plucked apart. But you have to
know what your audience. Who are you selling to, Who's
gonna buy it? Why are they going to buy it?

(01:20:25):
What do you have a trademark on? Is this? Is
this just an idea that anybody can gop with and
anybody can copy? Or is this especially had a trademarked
and only you can produce it? Is there a need
for it? Is there a market for it? Are you
the only person on earth who can make such a thing?
How much do you make it for? What is the
spread between how much you make it for it how

(01:20:46):
much you sell it for? And can we continue to
lower how much you make it for or are you
kind of bottom of the barrel? Right? Who are you?
What is your audience? Why do people want what you have?
And how do you keep how do you keep that
that that corner of the boardwalk? Right? Okay, so, um,

(01:21:16):
what's the time of year football owns? NFL football, I
would say owns definitely owns Thanksgiving right, Sundays in the fall,
and uh and you know up until the Super Bowl,
like the Super Bowl right after that, like they own

(01:21:37):
that block, but especially Sundays. My my big issue with
college football in the College fotball playoff is how they've
kind of given away their cornering of the New Year's
Day market, right like they own foot football. NFL football
has taken over ownership of Thursday nights because college football

(01:21:58):
Thursday nights kind of went away. NFL owns Monday nights.
College football has never challenged that college football on Saturdays
they owned Sundays. October is those sports, but as well
as baseball kind of owns a Porsche of September for
playoffs mostly October. NBA basketball owns Christmas Day, al right,

(01:22:19):
Christmas Day is is NBA basketball Valentine's weekend. Is generally
All Star weekend, and then you know the n c
A termin owns March and that first weekend in April.
What is baseball own baseball in July. Baseball is unchallenged
in July. It doesn't mean there aren't other things. They
have traditionally been one major in Gulf in July. Obviously

(01:22:42):
they changed, you know, golf, change that calendar before this year,
and and they're gonna go back to trying to challenge
having a major. You have your major in April, that's
the Masters. You have your in April. Uh. I think
the PGA was in May, and then the Open was
in June, right, and then the British Open. But July

(01:23:05):
is baseball. Fourth of July is baseball. Like if you
think of Fourth July, all you can think of in
your mind is fireworks, Joey Chestnut eating hot dogs, and baseball.
So when I see baseball and the players, at some
point today or maybe tomorrow, they're going to agree to
a deal for sixty million, six minutes, sixty games. And

(01:23:27):
what's odd about it is they had the chance for
sixty games yesterday with bene benefits and more money and
more playoff games, and instead they gave it away because
they want the right to file a grievance, which is
essentially a lawsuit and maybe can help them in the
long term future. But baseball is Baseball gave away the

(01:23:48):
piece of property that they owned. Maybe they had squatted
on it, right, maybe they'd squad. And you ever rent
a house and you're like, we're renting a house and
we're renting it because eventually they'll want to sell it,
and we're already here, let's just make a deal. And
they got tired, they got haggling over how much they're
paying on rent, so they move out, and all of

(01:24:08):
a sudden, the house is for saying like, wait, wait, wait,
we want to buy, Like I'm sorry, you don't want anymore.
You don't rent down anymore, your renter, you actually can
squat and not pay rent for like a year in
some states. Not my renters, your renters. But I I
look at this, and this is baseball not understanding their valuation,

(01:24:30):
but mostly going to Shark tank and meeting with the sharks,
and when they say what makes you special, what makes
you different? You're like man Baseball or Americana. Everybody loves us,
everybody loves our playoffs. We do love our playoffs. But
where you even though you make the TV money, then
forty of your revenue is on a tendency on gate

(01:24:51):
and you're un challenged in the month of July. It's
the only month where the pace of your play is
not really an issue. Like July. And you know, you
got a baseball game that last three and a half
four hours. You do these pitching changes, and you're in
September starting to get a little cool. My kids got
flag football. You know, I got work to do. I
got a work trip, worked in or I at this,

(01:25:11):
I got that. The other thing gets a little tedious.
I'll stay at home. I watch it on TV in
the middle of the summer, like I ain't got anything
to do. I'll show up early. We watch some VP.
We'll get a beer as soon as it opens. Relax,
see some baseball. They make it, they make a pitching change,
we'll have a conversation. You Now, it's great. There's no
rush over baseball works in July. It works over a

(01:25:33):
hundred six two games. That's the strength of the sport.
That's how everybody gets rich off it. Not because it's
the most exciting, not because the best players play it.
The best athletes play it, not because it's getting more,
not less pop. And I'm not telling you I don't
love baseball, but it is intrinsically boring. It's a slower sports,
a different pay if you play it. You know, when

(01:25:56):
you're playing one of a couple of positions, you're into it.
But otherwise, like you know, out there in left field
and you're waiting for a fly ball to be hit
your way. I don't know if you saw this, but
was the stat one third of one third of all
at bats in baseball with how guys hit now the
ball is only in play for the picture of the

(01:26:17):
catcher and the guy at bat because you either strike out,
walk or hit home run. Like it's not just baseball
born to fans, it's born to people playing the game.
Like that's born like one third of the at batch
of like yeah, let's keep this thing moving, but it
works in the summer. And they've taken so long to
get these terms agreed to, and I understand that you're

(01:26:39):
fighting for your long term viable sustainability and they're cutting
our pay and they're like, okay, what makes you who
you will? What what is your elevator pitch. What is
your what is your shark tank pitch? What is your
shark tank pitch? Our shark tank pitch is we appeal

(01:27:02):
to Americana, to families. It gives you something to do
on a Saturday even Saturday midweek evening where you can
go and watch a professional sport, hit a beach ball,
be involved. You don't have to know everything about every
player and be a total nerd stat junkie and still
appreciate a sport that you watch, your dad, watch your

(01:27:23):
grandpa watch your great grandpa watched, and you do so
during the time of year. Would you have time to
have these things happen now? You don't have a hundred
six two games, so there's not the volume of games
to pay you. You don't have fans in the stand,
so there's not the they're not the volume of attendance,
and you don't have that appeal of hey, we're the
only thing on TV. I'm I've always been concerned with

(01:27:50):
um frankly, all sports, like did you guys, you guys
see this this stat of um uh during quarantine? H
how um the highest earners during quarantine? The highest earners
saved more money than everybody else. Right, they say between

(01:28:14):
fourteen and eighteen of their income, they spent less money.
Now most of that is in going out. It's not
just a restaurants they didn't have to go to games.
Those are the people the ancillary income that are gonna
be going to baseball games in the future. So you
didn't just hurt. Now, as we get back, going and

(01:28:35):
going into next year, two weeks becomes a habit, right,
you go an entire year without going to a baseball
game or watching a baseball game when nothing else is on,
and have you removed that habit from from somebody's brain.
It's gonna be interesting to see. So, um, all right,

(01:28:56):
let's we got a bunch to get to. I saw
this Oho. This is a good story, good, good story, alright.
Eight seven seven nine nine of Fox is in fact
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(01:29:19):
Doug Godleave Show, Fox Sports Radio. Um, there's a lot
of talk about replacing Tom Brady, and it's not gonna
be easy. But I I I think we have to
at least give Jared to him a chance, right, Do
I do I know he's going to be the dude? No,
I have no idea, And I'll be honest with you,

(01:29:42):
I don't think you have any idea either. Do Do
I like the idea of preseason football? Yeah? I guess
what I appreciate about what the Patriots are saying is, Hey,
we've seen the kid, we like the kid. We want
to give the kid a chance. You know, we got
Brian Hoyer, who's the get backup, who could be a
spot starter, who can kind of be that that coach

(01:30:04):
on the field. Um, this is an interesting take I heard.
This is a long time offensive line coach. He recently retired.
Dante Scarnekia. This is like one of the most respected
offensive line coaches in the last century. Where in the
last half century in football, you know, when he was
away from the team, the offensive line suffered. He came back,

(01:30:24):
they were good again. Now he retires a lot of
questions about that. But here's Dante Scarnekia talking about Jared
Stidham on serious sex. Number one. He doesn't have the
wealth of experience that Tom has, So there's gonna be
some growing things, there's no doubt about it. But the
guy does have skills, he's got a great mind, he cares,

(01:30:44):
he shows up early, he goes home late. I wish
him nothing but the best. If still there, I would
just say, you know, I look at Fellas. We gotta
do everything we got we can to make this guy
as comfortable as we can. We gotta do everything we
can to make this guy as comfortable as we can.
So you know, look, what are they gonna do. They're
gonna run the football, They're going to be safe in

(01:31:06):
the passing game. And are they going to throw it
fifty times a game? New right? But um, and he's
doing Does anyone believe that Tom Brady will be fifty
that he could be fifty touchdown tom Brady? Of course not,
of course not. It should be pointing out that when
Tom Brady like this is where and and this is

(01:31:31):
this is a conversation, we can have what's happening in America,
what's you know, what's happened in the world, Like we
cannot look at yesterday through the lens of today. Okay,
cannot look at yesterday through the lens of today. Here's
what I mean. When Tom Brady won his first Super Bowl,
they went eleven and three came in early in the
season when Drew Bledsoe got hit and got hurt. He

(01:31:54):
threw eighteen touchdowns twelve interceptions. The next year, now this
is a different time in the NFL, he had actually
he actually led the NFL with touchdowns and through fourteen receptions,
and then he had the fifty touchdown year. So this

(01:32:17):
idea that that he's gonna be Tom Brady, I don't
think he'll be Tom Brady. Tom are gonna be the
greatest quarterback of all time, But could he be Tom
Brady at granted those teams were built around defense and
ball control on offense. I don't think that's unreasonable to wonder,
not at all. And Dante Scarneki is like, look, you know,

(01:32:41):
he doesn't have the experience of Tom Brady, who possibly could,
but he can move around back there. They're gonna make
it safe. They're gonna, you know, they're not gonna try
and have him win games on his own. I think
they're gonna have reasonable game plans. And as much as
it appears on paper that the Bills should be better
that the Jets should be better, that the Dolphins should

(01:33:02):
be better. They all have young quarterbacks, all of them.
All four teams will have young quarterbacks next year at
some point that we all starting first year or second
year guys or third year guys in Sam Donald's case
and Josh Allen's case, young dudes and under every quarterback
in that division. So none of them have experience. And

(01:33:23):
it's not like the Jets are a great organization or
the Dolphins have shown to be a winning organization. And
and yes, the Bills have made the playoffs two of
the past three years. I could never beat the Patriots,
and it wasn't because Tom Brady played great. Fox Sports
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s R to listen live. You sit here and you
try and convince people that, hey, maybe the Patriots know
a thing or two about the quarterback position that average
NFL fan does not. And like, now, none of the
Patriots there idiots. They they don't value like, look, do
you think they would have held on to Tom Brady
if they could have? Of course they would have. Of
course they would, but that wasn't really You know that

(01:34:07):
that relationship had run its course and now it's over.
Now you gotta move on. Brack here joins us in
the Doug Gottlieb Show College Football NFL analysts from Fox Sports, Brock,
what what are what are your thoughts on Jared Sidham? Good?
Not great? And that was my that was probably my

(01:34:28):
college of valuacing him. I thought he was a good player,
good athlete, and well watched them at Baylor, watched him
in Auburn, called a couple of the games. In person,
I thought, even a good player, I don't think there
was anything that just overwhelmed me. As a is a
plus attribute. And then ultimately it comes down to if
you're that kind of guy, that you've got to be

(01:34:50):
surrounded by the right cast. And I'll tell you, I
think he's playing for the right head coach because I
think that coach surrounds players like him and and loves
the team. The fifty three guys that are that are
that are good, and he could put those puzzle pieces
together better than than most of the league do. Um.
It's interesting, you know that the shadow of of Brady

(01:35:13):
is so looming, but we we do forget, like when
he first got in the league, they protected him. It
wasn't like he was back there ripping it fifty times
a game, right, Like, it's really interesting how we look
back at Brady now through a lens that's completely different
from what it was like when he first took over. Yeah,
I've told this story a bunch of different times. So
my older brother Damon was there in New England and

(01:35:34):
Damon I was with the Colts at that point, and
Damon had become an unrestricted free agent with the Dolphins
after playing there and fill them in from Marino doing
a good job. And and Damon had a few different
options and ultimately ended up going to New England where
he was going to back up Drew Bloodsoe and uh.
And you know, Damon's general opportunities were largely that really
good backup jobs or weren't. He wasn't going to get

(01:35:55):
starter money or anything like that. But he thought, I'll
go to New England and he drew his backup and
and I remember talking to name and he called me.
I was in training camp with thee at the time,
and he's like, dude, I don't know if I'm gonna
make the team. I'm like, what are you talking about.
He's like, I with this dude was on practice last
year and he doesn't Miss. I think he's even better

(01:36:15):
than Drew. And that sounds easy to say, but the
guy's nuts. I'm like, Damon, they gave you a signing monus,
you're not getting cuts, You're going anywhere. What is the
student's name? He's like, Tom Berne, you just watch. This
guy's unfreaking believable. And sure enough, Drew gets hurt. Well,
Damon gets beat out, and thankfully you lived in an
era where teams kept three quarterbacks. Damon gets beat out,

(01:36:37):
Drew gets hurt. Tom comes in the rest of his history.
And I also remember that year Damon sitting below the
gold post in the Superdome talking to Drew Bloodsoe and
looking out at that roster and kind of to my
point earlier, how in the world are we here? This
band of miss characters had some elite defensive players. By
large they did They protected the offense. It took care

(01:36:59):
of the ball played through their defense. Tom was brilliant
late because he's a you know, a hyper competitive, tremendous
finisen and you know, they call a lot of close games,
couldn't have Super Bowl to win their first one. Um,
I feel like I'm gonna bounce around a little bit,
but I want to bounce around a little bit. Um there,
there's all there's a lot of these positive tests for

(01:37:20):
college football players coming back. Now I'll just give you
my perspective and you feel free as you know you
you have the open floor to say. My thing is like, look,
they still would have been positive at home, only they
wouldn't have been tested. The rest of the world has
opened up, so the likelihood of of getting positive. Like,
college kids aren't just gonna sit in their house the

(01:37:41):
entire summer if they can't go back to campus. And
probably this is one of the reasons that they're getting
the coronavirus, is they already had it, or they're going
out when you want they come back to campus or whatever.
I think the medical care is better there, and I
think like this is the the only way for them
to smartly proceed is bring guys back, whether you do
it slowly or all at once, a test positively quarantine
them and then you all right, let's let's kind of

(01:38:03):
keep this thing going and eventually, whether it's herd immunity
or just this is the new way we look at
this is how you have to proceed. Is that your
perspective on how we should go forward? That is my perspective.
And I've gotten a little bit up close to person
with a couple of different schools and and kind of
walking through this and talking through it with them, and
that the biggest challenge is these kids are asymptomatic. So

(01:38:27):
they're going out there, they're running routes, they're lifting, there's
no fever, there's no cough, there's no anything. They're not
sick there. This cold virus is not reacting in their body.
And if they were not tested, no one would know.
And there have been how many of those kind of
kids in the last few months in their homes all
over the place that are in a similar boat. We

(01:38:48):
know how this cold virus reacts at young people. And
twenty three Clemson players all tested positive. Oh my gosh,
gonna close everything down. Well, they're asymptomatic in the chann
And here is the biggest challenge, Duck. To your point,
the biggest challenge is trying to get guys that feel
fine to sit in their dorm room for tenis hall

(01:39:09):
days that is that that is the biggest challenge that
many of these programs are facing. Right there. Kids are like, okay,
I'll be the good force two or three. I feel fine.
I need to I need to get going, I need
to start playing, I need to start training, and needs
start working. And to me, I'm really thankful that we're
learning this in mid to late June rather than late

(01:39:31):
July to mid August. It still gives me hope for
this season and to your point of learning and discovering
how this cold virus is affecting in their teams in
early twenties. Yeah, I'm I'm I'm with you. Okay, So
let's act as if the season does get underway. What
does it look like though, I mean, you had no

(01:39:52):
spring football. I guess this is this will be a
really injuring, kind of interesting litmus test for college coaches
like man, we need spring football and need those practices
in order to be sharp watch the young kids. Whatever.
How much does this legitimately affect the product and development
of young players on the football field. It really depends
on when they get going. If if the plan is

(01:40:12):
and I think the plan you know it's being talked
about with the NT double A and everything else, and
it is so hard, unlike the NFL, where you've got
exploring two LLCs that all operate under the NFL umbrella.
As we know in athletics, it doesn't work that way.
It doesn't work that way even in member conferences. So
to try to get them all on the same page

(01:40:33):
will also be a bit of a challenge. But the
assault process was to get them in in early to
mid July and give them a real run up to learn,
to discover, to see what this testing is, to see
what best practice and protocol is. Is it realistic to
quarantine for fourteen days? Can we do the same in
seven days? What? What are we learning? What? What is

(01:40:55):
the science and medicine really teaching us in this age demographic?
Where is this cold virus going versus where it was
four months ago? And reacting? Uh? Is we see yes
cases right? But are we seen in the desrat plummet?
Are we seeing I used to use plummet? Yes, So
what does this all look like? I think it's unbelievably fluid,
and I do think the biggest challenge will be the

(01:41:17):
sharing of information, sharing the best practice, the sharing the
best protocol on how to move this forward for the
for the best of every conference, in every institution in
the n C Double A. I think then is the
bigger issue to me than this cold virus. UM. I
want to continue talking about some of these younger quarterbacks. Uh,

(01:41:39):
Sam don't have finished seven and two. I've told people,
I just I feel like he has the it factor.
I do now I understand Lamar Jackson won the m
v P and the jump he made from your one
to year two. I don't think many people saw coming
me especially. Some of that was they tailored the roster
in the offense to it. Some of it is other

(01:42:00):
little run that. Some of it is he just got better. Um.
But I've I've always thought that Donald style, an athletic
quarterback who throws mostly from in and around the pocket,
is one that lasts longer and is gives you a
greater chance of success. Where are you Let's just start
with Donald. Where are you on Donald? Where he is now?
And and the trajectory. I like Donald a lot too,

(01:42:23):
you know, seeing him throughout college, the exact same thing,
seeing him in the ball to Washington banking, feeding Chris
Peterson and the top ken Washington team that had not
lost at home in a couple of years, and it
was Sam on third down again and again and again
and again. That was a difference in that game and
won that game. So he elegorates everybody around him. People

(01:42:45):
believe in him, People in that organization believe in him tremendously.
So yeah, I think the world of him, don't You're
gonna take care of the ball? I mean that that
is the biggest challenge. You know, the NFL game, there
is a premium on possession, There's a premium on ball
security when you're not loaded with talent all around you
and in the in the organization has been as dysfunctional

(01:43:06):
is the one that he's been a part of for
the last couple of decades. That is the only determined
That is the only thing I think that will get
in his way is just him really understanding the value
of that possession and then value that ball. And if
you take strides that, I'm I'm right alongside you in
that division with the other three that he's going to
be computing again, I would bet on him over the

(01:43:26):
long term. Yeah, I would too. I think it's uh,
it's going to be interesting to see his developed How
would you handle to Uh, if you were Miami, I
play him. You turned your whole roster over. I mean,
as long as he's healthy and that him progresses and
you feel good about it and protects every one of
those those boxes. But you get him in early. You know,

(01:43:46):
this is the this is the Cowboys way back when
when they turned that whole thing over and you grew
up your guys around Troy and and and Emmett nova
Check and all those guys kind of grew up. And
there's gonna be adversity because you know they're gonna be
a really young team. But when you tore it down
the way that they did, but you could get all
the glass picks that they have gotten, and you get

(01:44:07):
your guy number five. Overall, I think you throw him
right into the fire and you let him. You let
him learn, and you let him grow, because I think
more than anything else, that dude's got guts and that
guy has got toughness in a charisma and courage that
needs to just infiltrate that whole place. And I would
give him the ball and let him run right away.
It felt like Arizona by about mid season started to

(01:44:30):
figure out how to protect Kyler like he was on
right to be sack more than any quarterback in the
history of the sport. What did he start getting rid
of it? Quicker to Cliff adjust to the NFL style
of game plan? What change for Arizona? And I guess
and I hate asking, You're not supposed to ask two
part questions. Does this style and with Kyler ultimately work

(01:44:51):
in what's probably the toughest division the sport. Yeah, Johnson
Watts could be very disappointed now a on the first
one on the barn end that he learned how to
get rid of the ball and protect himself, and they
learned and trading for Kenyan Drake, how to add some
run game and talk to the to the running suit
guys and Cliff Kingsbury's money and tall and football. That

(01:45:13):
was kind of the common refrain as they touched space
with him, is they were all, I think kind of
intrigued to see what the Cliffs thought and with the
narrow or hash mark sprout and just what the NFL
game was is. Yeah, Cliffs and I think his young
quarterback morphed together in that. So there was a run
game element that helped settle it down and Kyler getting
rid of the ball. So I think both of those
things accelerated their whole team's growth and Kyler's growth over

(01:45:37):
the over the second half of the season and pushing
the head right that his brutal there's no easy out.
Kyler is a special kid. He's got now one of
the most I think dynamic receivers in the game with
his hands and his body control. And in Hopkins and
and there will be no no easy game for anybody
in in the NFC West this year. And yeah, and

(01:45:58):
I would expect that the Cardinals and be a pest
in the side of everybody. Um, you know, the Kaepernick
thing has come back up, and I I feel like
peak Harre a little disingenuous talking about Colin Kaepernick. My
read on it was and you were there and for
people don't know, Brock, you were to cover s college

(01:46:19):
football for us. He still has his podcast, but most
successful radio show in Seattle, uh during its during its
run before I went to podcast, Um, you were there
during the time, and of course you know you cover
their games in the preseason. My perception was he wanted
to be a starter, which translates into starter money and
started reps. They brought him into be a backup, and

(01:46:40):
I'm sure Russell Wilson was like, I don't want that
guy behind me, because Russell was just then kind of
taking over the locker room as his own. Um, how
did it really go down with Kaepernick's loan visit, which
was to the Seahawks. I can't disagree with any of that. Yeah,
and there he is a little bit of some speculation
him because the one saying that none of us have

(01:47:02):
known over the last four or five years is what
was Colin asking for, right if he if he was
asking for a Jameis Winston deal or ultimately that's what
the market said to its calling at that time, and
that's what the market was willing to pay for any
number of different reasons. And he said, yeah, thanks, but
no thanks on that. I'm a I'm a starter. I'm
I'm not doing that. You know. Uh, we we don't

(01:47:24):
know if that was actually the case. We've never heard
directly from Coling of what that market was, what that
market was in particular in January and February and March
of that year. And then the longer you get away
from it, the more difficult it is to to jump
back in. But I can't disagree with anything you said.
They brought him in. There was a real interest, there
was a real intrigue. They competed, they competed against Colin

(01:47:46):
knew him inside and out, and I think would have
loved him, said to be a backup, and yeah, I
think Russell would have been just fine with that. That
was his team. Russell's a confident there would have that
no issue I think in that situation, with any of it.
But it ultimately was was the market all you do
and a deal. And I remember vividly as you did, saying, ye,

(01:48:07):
did he views himself on the starter? We think he's
a starter. We think that's what the market is going
to be more to pay. It wasn't. And there was
between the two sides. Yeah, yeah, I just we we
have a tendency to make it all about one thing
and that's not a realistic as as you know, Like
I try to tell people like Greg Roman was the
guy who could swear by him, John Harbaugh could swear

(01:48:29):
by him. That one made sense. And they wanted a
guy to compete with flac Oh, his girl, his girlfriend
napalmed it with the with with her her her Instagram
meme or whatever you you usually get picked up by
somebody either you've competed against and respects you, knows you
that Seattle, or somebody who's coached you before because you
know their system and you can become, you know, a

(01:48:50):
guy who converts the masses when that coach is not around. Correct. Yeah, Yeah,
I think that's all very Yeah. I think that is
all very fair. And you know, repeat that now, and
she's kind of trying to talk through it and look
back at some of that history for whatever different number
of reasons. All I can do is, as you said,
is is go back to being on the air at
that time, talking about it, walking through it, listening to

(01:49:13):
the people. And I think the sense was pretty clearly.
I mean Pete kind of said it very clearly. Then.
You know, I think of him as a starter, you know,
when he thinks of himself as a starter, and to
me that implied very clearly he was looking for starter
money and starter opportunity and that was not going to
be in Seattle. Great stuff, man, I hope your family
is healthy. Can't wait to see you in person. Hopefully

(01:49:33):
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but always fun. Alright, shocking update in the world of sports. Wait,
do you hear what really happened at Talladega two days ago?
That's next. Be sure to catch the live edition of
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(01:49:56):
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A app show you on Fox Sports Radio. What this is?
A uh, it's like one of those you know. When
I saw the story, I did wonder because it was oh, um,

(01:50:19):
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(01:50:42):
not much, just the statement from the FBI basically saying
that they sent fifteen investigators to Talladega to interview people,
go through video and after all that what they concluded
was no crime had been committed because the rope tie
or the rope was had been there in the garage

(01:51:03):
since October of In fact, it was used in October
of nineteen at Talladego by Wood Brothers Racing. And they're
the ones that realized, Hey, wait a minute, there was
a tie in the garage door that could have been
the noos? Is that what they're talking about. They told
investigators this, and that's exactly what happened. They had photographic
evidence to show that it was a garage door pull

(01:51:24):
rope fashioned in the shape or form of a noose. Yes,
that's that's what poll ropes look like. This is I
and and Ryan gets mad when I talk about this. Listen,
this is really important. Black Face Okay, you have to
look up what it is. But when Jimmy Fallon uh

(01:51:44):
imitates somebody who's black and puts, you know, dark into
skin with makeup, that's not black face. That's an imitation.
That's a costume. When there's a rope tie in a garage, hey,
which is a tie of not that's not a noose? Okay,
A noose and black face are incredibly incredibly offensive. But

(01:52:09):
people either one don't know their history or two don't
really they we we do this thing where we assume
racism and and honestly, I think sometimes we do that
in America with things we see on TV? Right, is
a police officer racist or is he simply just a
bully who's a bad guy in a jerk. Right, who's
a bully in a jerk to white people and black like?

(01:52:30):
That's police brutality? Is it police brutality based upon brutality
based on racism? I don't know. I can tell you
that we have this tendency when we hear a story
or see something to automatically assume racism and instead of
taking a breath, hold up, what is this? What is
this about? Now? NASCAR looks great because they all bound
together and said that we're not gonna he's our brother,

(01:52:52):
he's with us. Should be pointed out, there was still
a Confederate flag that flew overhead the day before. That
was not a great look. But I'm not blaming Bubba.
He's not the Jesse Smellett in this because if you
read the story, and I'm not saying Ralph you did not,
I'm saying other people this, this rope tie was missed
associated as a noose by somebody else who then cut

(01:53:15):
it and then told him about it, told Bubba about it.
Bubba never saw it, Bubba never reported He's just like, wait,
was a noose and in my garage? But the hell so,
I don't do I blame Bubba for not asking more
questions what it looked like, but I also don't know
his emotions at the time, considering all the other things
he's going through. We do have some resolution in baseball,

(01:53:39):
Bob Nightingale tweeting that the league in the Players Association
continue to exchange ideas with the health and safety protocols
no snags. The Union has informed Major League Baseball it
plans to play and be in camps by July one.
Sixty games season will start July. Um, okay, good, So

(01:53:59):
we're gonna start July at home stadiums in empty home stadiums.
Uh Like, I'm glad the baseball is back. I just
feel like it's they They've missed their window. Absolutely. Nikola
yokis testing positive for coronavirus and serbia UH last week.
He is asymptomatic. He's he's, he's effort to rejoin the

(01:54:20):
team temporarily delayed. He hopes to be clear to travel
to Denver next week. He did spend time with no
uh no vak Djokovic, who now is tested positive as well. Yeah,
so I mean, like, look, obviously it's spread of these guys,
they're asymptomatic. You get two eas of quarantine, he'll show up. Djokovic,
by the way, he's lost a bunch of weight apparently

(01:54:41):
during the during the quarantine, and I was doing walking
or whatever, eating better. But um, it's actually not the
worst news to have it to recover then to fly here,
then you don't have to worry about Joke Joki being
sick if you're a Denver Nugget fan. Once he gets
to quarantine and the Seahawks and Ravens have discussed bringing
in Antonio Brown, according to the End of Film Network, Yeah,

(01:55:02):
I don't think. I don't think the Sea I don't
think the Ravens thing works only in that he won't
get enough ball thrown his way. The Seahawks get him
and he can the NFL doesn't rule him ineligible to
play and suspend him. Who that's the number one wide
receiver they've been hoping for for a long time. Get
out there and pressed. That was the press. So look, um,

(01:55:26):
I was, I was. I was cautious about my thoughts
on the news yesterday just because I was like, I
couldn't believe that somebody there's so few people that get
to a race that just the idea of it. That said,
I think NASCAR solidarity looks great. And by the way,
we watched the rays. That was fun. We'll discuss some
more tomorrow in the dug Out Lip Show

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