June 6, 2017 • 43 mins
Doug explains why he is the perfect age to settle the Michael Jordan's Bulls vs today's Warriors debate. He talks about one recently retired NBA super star that for some reason is getting overlooked as one of the greatest to ever play. Plus, Portland Trail Blazers head coach Terry Stotts joins the show to talk about what it takes to try and stop the Warriors' high powered offense.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Angels and sunny and I haven't even looked outside. I
just know it. You know why, because it's Los Angeles.
Little June gloom fogg in the morning, burns off in
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the afternoon. I hope your afternoon is sunny. If not,
we'll try and make it sunny. Terry Stotts, head coach
Portland Trailblazers, will join us upcoming in twenty minutes. We'll
ask him if this series is OVA. That is O
V Hey, But I think you know what what we
mean here. I believe that I am the perfect age
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for this argument because now the Warriors and we we
do this flip flop thing, which is just insane, but
of course it's what we do, right Sports radio, sports talk. Uh,
It's almost in summer, which means we're looking for things
to kind of drag up. Like there's this top hundred
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NFL list, which is just ridiculous, right, Like Andrew luck
was fifty onet on the top hundred list, as this
any list that has Andrew luck as the fifty first
best player in the National Football League, and was it
the list ceased to be valid because you're, just like
we told you, you're worth what somebody is willing to
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pay you. He's the highest paid player in the NFL.
You're also worth where somebody would draft you. And if
you were to redraft players in the NFL, he might
not go first, probably Aaron Rodgers. He might not go second.
You still might take Tom Brady. He'd probably go third
or right there. In the discussion of the top five.
Can't be fifty first, even though he's had to fairly
subpar years, considering he's starting to enter a news print.
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But this is what we do. We have these lists
or comparisons, and so we've we we for a while there,
and I want to get into this little bit. Later.
We had Kobe and the Jordan discussion. And now Kobe
maybe because he got hurt and he was bad when
he played, and he was over the hill and he
made too much money. I don't know what it is.
But suddenly Kobe has completely disappeared from the Jordan discussion
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and it was Lebron. Now that discussion has gone away,
and what's reappeared. Is Bulls seventy to win championship. Bulls
versus these Warriors, the only one sixty seven games won
seventy three last year within the game of winning a
championship last year recomprised this year and so far they
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have lost narry a game in the NBA playoffs. You
like how he used narry a game, And so I'm
left with this uh desire to lay out the facts
as I don't think them know them. It's it's an
argument that to which they will never ever ever be
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any sort of proof or win. Right, this is You're
not gonna win this. This is the abortion argument of sports.
Comparing teams of a different era. You're not winning the argument.
It's like it's like good luck being the first person
ever to win the abortion argument. Now winning it. But
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we're gonna have it anyway because people lack what I have.
Whilch you only have at this specific time in your life.
There's a continuum, right in anything you do, Like in sports,
for athletes, there's a continuum from I'd say probably twenty
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that is your peak athleticism. You are in your pra
I do when I was twenty four years old and
I was playing Israel, like we go through laymup lines
and I'm dunking, and I'm like, this is crazy, it's crazy.
I first dunked when I was eighteen years old. One
hand it was I wasn't throwing in, grabbed the rim,
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and I progressionly got better, and then I was like, yamming.
When you get to like thirty as an as an athlete,
you're super smart. You've seen it all, and everything is slow.
In that space between twenty four and thirty in the
continue that's when every that's when athleticism and athletic intelligence
are at just the right window some some people's windows
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a little bit wider. Lebron is what thirty two now,
So he's more efficient, he's smarter, he still has some
of the athleticism, although not the freak that he was
when he first entered the league. Like there's but he's
also developed power and strength that he didn't have when
he's two. Although he's for for his age, he was
very strong. Kevin Durant twenty eight years old in his
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athletic prime, and also because he's lived some he's been
in an NBA finals, He's lost a series they should
have won. Like last year, he's played different positions with
different people, he has different He's in the perfect window. Right,
That's where I am in my life with this argument,
like I'm not my mom is way too nostalgic. Everything
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becomes a story about what used to be right, and
that's okay. She's seventy one years old. When you get
to be seventy one, you two would be nostalgic. Like
you know, once you get to fifty everything with everything
was better way back when. When you're a millennial, everything
is better now. And there are a lot of things
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that are better now, like the fact that I can
go to Zappos and press sent. It's like at my
house the next the next day, and if I don't
like him, put it back in the box, leave it
on the leave it on the stoop, and guess what
it goes back And like wow, I mean it is
going to basically make malls the land of the Lost, right,
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Like no one's gonna go to a mall anymore. We
can get movies directly to any of our devices, and
in many ways, some of these shows, like Netflix shows
are better than network TV. On the other hand, because
I am at the perfect time for that discussion, like
I was alive through the Cosby show eras like Bill
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Cosby on trial for sexual assault. Right, but like if
you weren't alive during the Cosby you don't understand the
conflict we're all kind of going through, right, Ramos is
the right age for this discussion, Like you had to
understand this was a groundbreaking show. You had an all
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African American cast and it was instead of you know,
previously you had Sanford and Son and um that was
a junk dealer, right, this was a Mr Huxtable when
he was a doctor, like a black doctor with a
family and a wife, like he was that. He was
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like America's warm, loving doctor and now like he's being
accused of these awful crimes. You're like, wow, this is
really conflicting everything I was taught as a kid. Plus,
like NBC, you know they're coming back with his musty TV.
But it used to be musty TV, like we used
to get like Thursday night. You know where I'm watching
Now people are like Monday night, I'm watching the bachel Threat.
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I watched the Bachelotte last night. You want to talk
about something that it's just awful TV, just terrible Bachelor
better because it's more realistic when the fight over, the
dudes and the guys fight over, like come on, man,
guys were like you got that all? You know whatever.
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I bummed, but you know I'm in the perfect Like
we had Mike Tyson on last week, and I'm old
enough to remember when everyone was scared of Mike Tyson
and that you used to sit down and when Mike
Tyson was fighting fighting, you would watch and it might
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have been over in thirty seconds. And it wasn't perfect
in terms of style, but like you saw the entire
Tyson thing, like you can't if you're thirty years old.
You don't understand Mike Tyson. You don't understand what was
like Like like that, you don't remember what it was
like when MTV actually had music videos and Michael Jackson
Thriller came on. It was like a fifteen minute video
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that you stopped what you were doing. On the other hand,
you're not so nostalgic that you don't respect the way
things are done now. I remember, for example, like my
dad he just he missed the perfect curve, and that
he couldn't play video games with us like we were
when Supernintendo when Nintendo came out, and first it started
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with Mario Brothers, and then you worked on to what contra.
Then you have the cheat codes A B B A up, down, up, down, left, right, left,
right right, and you get you get the multiple, you
get the unlimited line with Super Mario Brothers. And then
you have your dad sit down and play with you,
and he couldn't like figure out the control. You're like, dude,
this is not that hard. You have two degrees? What's
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going on? Like, I'm not at that point in my
life yet, Like, I still like technology. I still know
how to use a cell phone. I know how to
play video games with my kids. I'm still young enough
and athletic enough to play. So I'm like getting this
perfect window. So when people compare the Bulls of and
like I couldn't compete with the Warriors, I actually have
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a reasonable perspective on it. Huh. Nowadays you need to
be versatile on both offense and defense, right, That's like
the whole thing. That's that's what makes the Warrior special
is that Draymond Green is their center at times, but
he can also come out and play small forward, and
Kevin Durant can play kind of any position on the floor,
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and you have to be able to guard them with
that same sort of flexibility. Well that's good because I'm
old enough to remember Bulls had Ron Harper, who was
a versatile defender, Scottie Pippen versatile, incredible defender, Michael Jordan's versatile,
incredible defender, Dennis Rodman, who everybody thinks of. Like the
last thing you think of with Dennis Rodman is the
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piercings and the dies and just getting rebounds and you know,
wearing a dress and married a Karmen Electra for a
while like freak show, right. But what people forget is
during the prime of his NBA career, he was not
only intimidator and a rebounder, he was also one of
the elite defenders in the history of the NBA, going
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back to his two championships with the Pistons, could guard
ada position like Tony Coo. Coach was probably a little
bit ahead of his time. Would fit in better now
with how they play than he did then. That was there,
That would be their five. But I'm also reasonable and
not reasonable to know the games officiated differently. These players
grew up shooting three point shot there, but but I
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have the perspective to understand that just because former NBA
players didn't shoot three point shots with as much volume
doesn't mean they couldn't. It's like you ask any guy there.
When I was in my twenties, people would joke because
I get married four years old, and you know, guys
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would joke like, oh your next wife, you know what
you do? You like cut your age in half and
had five That just sounds like now, it sounds miserable
to that. It sounds miserable to me. The guy that's
miserable to me, alright, Like my wife, Like that's it's
the exact age to which she has. She's she's had kids,
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she's got a college, she's lived a life, she's lived
a different parts of the world. Like we can actually
have reasonable arguments. Again, there are arguments she ain't gonna win.
I ain't gonna win, just like the Bulls argument or
the Warriors argument. You're not gonna but yeah, I'm never
gonna win an argument wife that's like not actually gonna have.
But the point is that you ask any guy who's
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like in thirty five to even fifty, Like, forget, which
kind of woman would you like dream of one night
with what type of when would you actually like to
have dinner and have a conversation with and be around
And they'll be like, oh, it's the perfect age. And
the same thing with guys, and the same thing with
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this argument, I'm not trying to dismiss you as being
twenty five and not knowing anything, but you're twenty five
and you do really don't know anything. You see Michael
Jordan's in highlights. We saw Michael Jordan's who just didn't
have the ability to let his team lose the way
that Lebron had the ability to let his team lose.
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And so when people say, hey, you the comparison those
old bulls, they couldn't guard these words like, well, actually
having lived it, haven't seen it. Understanding how that team
was put together. There isn't another team historically that could
match up with the type of versatility and athleticism. Be
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sure to catch live editions of The Doug gott Leap
Show weekdays at three p m. Eastern noon Pacific on
Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. Terry
Stott's kind of have to spend some time of this
year on The Doug Gotleap Show coach, How are you.
I'm doing well, Doug, how are you doing good? Um? Alright,
just from a like a former player, current coach, longtime assistant,
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your perspective, what's your reaction to the first two NBA
Finals games. Well, it's probably a very similar to the
last year. Uh, you know Golden State where the defending
champions they came in and one convincingly in the first
two games. I'm sure everybody last year at this time
was wondering if there's going to be a sweep as well. So, um,
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I do think this year has a little bit of
a different feel to it. Um. Golden State looks very focused. Uh,
probably in large part of what happened last season. Obviously
Kevin durant is uh is a big difference maker. But uh,
you like the way I really like the way Golden
States playing. But Cleveland coming home, there's a home court advantage.
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It should be interesting games coming up, all right. Let's uh,
let's in terms of of trying to trying to kind
of change the momentum. Um, boy, it feels like it
feels like the first half, you know they're they're playing
with them really well, that that Cleveland's pushing the basketball,
Lebron going downhill in transition attacking, but it feels like
they get to a point the third quarter and le
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Bron gets tired and stops driving and starts shooting jump shots,
and Kyrie is missing finishes that he normally makes because
of fatigue. And they don't really have a third option
in terms of a shot creator. Even though Kevin loves
put up good numbers, he needs somebody else create shots
for him. How do you like, you've been in all
those locker roomview in the NBA finals before? How do
you how do you adjust to that? If you're the
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Calves and you're coming home, well, you know, I think
it's difficult coaching or giving advice for another team. I
do think playing the Warriors, having played them in the playoffs, uh,
scoring is scoring is important. I think you have to
score at least a hundred ten to have a chance.
The way they can put numbers on you and put
up put it quickly. Um. You know, the way we
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felt when we played them is certainly Uh we played
them well last year in the playoffs and your scores
have to score, but they also have to set up
people and they got to make shots as well. Um,
You're not gonna to score a hundred ten. You need
uh an effort from a lot of different people, not
just uh two guys or three guys. Um, you know,
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passing the ball. I think as as great as Golden
State can score the ball, they're passing their ball movement
uh leads to great shots. I think, uh to you
kind of have to give them some of their own medicine.
I do think you have to score in transition because
easy points come at a premium, especially against a good
defensive team like Golden State is. So it's it's not
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an easy job. The biggest I think the biggest challenge
anybody playing Golden State is the runs that they can
put on you. You have to be able to weather
those and not get flustered and and be able to
kind of sustain some type of confidence during those runs
and then make because of the way they play, you'll
be able to get back into it. But uh, it's
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it's a challenge. Believe me, having played two years in
a row in the playoffs. I mentioned uh in in
the opening my show The Bulls, and that I feel
like because I'm old enough to have watched you coach
against the Bulls and play frankly against the kind of
the early stage of the Bulls. Like there are people
that are going to dismiss the great Bulls team and
try and compare the two, be like, well, you know,
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they couldn't guard these guys. I was like, well, you know,
like I don't know Scottie Pippen, Ron Harper, Dennis Rodman, uh,
Tony Coo, coach, Michael Jordan. They're not only good defenders,
they're kind of versatile. You have lived coach played in
both eras. It's really the league is so different, the
officiating is so different. But what's your sense of of
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the different styles of basketball and how competitive like the
seventy two in Bulls would be against this type of
Warriors team. Uh, you know, I think I think it's
a great matchup. You know, the thing with Golden States
starts Petulia and in Chicago started Luke Longley, and uh
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those two would probably cancel each other out, but it'd
end up being Dennis Robin playing playing center and co
coach would be out there a lot and have a
lot of guys playing forty minutes. Um, I think Golden
State's bench is uh is really effective. Um, you know
in the playoffs. The there's a tendency to shorten the rotation.
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If you look in and see how many minutes. Uh,
those guys played in Chicago. They played a lot of
minutes in the playoffs. I think defensively, you're talking as
you mentioned Harper, Pip and Jordan's we're outstanding defensively. Obviously
Lee Rodman was outstanding defensively. So you know it'd be like, um, uh, well,
you you probably remember the game of the Century Oklahoma
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versus Nebraska in Immovable Force, in the Unstoppable Object or
whatever it was. I think you'd have two very contrasting styles. Um,
that would be interesting. I it would be Uh, it
would be a game worth watching, that's for sure worth watching.
Are we in a good As a former player? I
mean it's hard because you're a coach and and your
team plays this style. You guys, you know you have
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incredible guard playing incredible shooting. But is this do you
like the way the league is going to? Where I
mean you look out there and Kevin Durants one center
and on one side, and you look on the other
side and Lebron's playing center. Is this Is this a
good trend for the NBA? Or do you believe there
needs to be some sort of manipulation of the rules
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in order to to get the big guys more involved.
I'm really leary of of rule manipulation. I think I
think the game is in a really good place. I
think it's extremely skill oriented. Um uh, the whole you know.
I've been on this for for a while now. When
they changed the rules in two thousand one and and
allowed more freedom of movement and having to guard people,
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and a simple rule like defensive three seconds has an
impact on the game and really opens it up. I've
always been a big believer that basketball is a skill
game and you have players that have to be able
to do a lot of different things. They have to
be able to dribble, pass, and shoot and and make plays.
And I think it's good for the game. Um. You know,
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you can debate whether having a dominant team is good
for the league or not, you know, I think that's
up to other people to figure out. But I do
think having having the ability to score points and looking
at the way Golden State plays, I think it's great
for the game. Going back to the Mike D'Antoni teams
and Phoenix, I thought that was great for the game
because it opened it up. They were hard to guard,
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and uh, it was. It really emphasized skill and running
and athleticism, which is what I think basketball is really about.
Terry Stotts joining us, he would have been if he played,
it would have been a center in the NBA, right,
you would be, you'd be starting. I've been, I've been
hopefully I've been a poor man's Ryan Anderson. Yeah, picking pop,
but you could be, you'd be, you'd be a stretch five,
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though Natal I couldn't get Yeah, I couldn't. I know,
I couldn't be a center, but I could I could
spot up. I probably more like John Lure, John Lewire,
John Lewier, you know, but John Leeward played some center
like you. Forget about how small some of these teams
are playing. John us here on the on the Doug Gotlip,
you mentioned whether or not it's it's good. I guess
my question is, and and maybe you have more insight.
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You know, there's been people reached out on Twitter and
some of your guys even, Hey, Paul George, go to
go to Portland. You guys, you're gonna win and go
to Portland. And I wonder if players will say, well, hell, like,
look at the respect cadis getting because he joined a
champ chip caliber team and now he has the ability
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to show his skill or does the and you know
how the collective partne agreement works. It's just more financially
beneficial for most of these guys to stay with their
current team, sign with these ridiculous uh thirty million plus
a year contracts so that they never leave, but they
won't be able to compete. How do you think, just
from your sensinel league, how do you think these super
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teams affect many of the upcoming free agents? Well, that's
a good question. I don't I don't know. Certainly, I
like the fact that there is incentive to stay with
stay with your team, um to kind of even the
playing field. The whole idea of super teams has been
around for a long time. I think they were making
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trades and it wasn't done through free agency. But uh,
you look at um you know, Cream and Worthy and Magic,
Uh that's a superteam and Michael Bird and Parish that's
a superteam by today's terminology. Uh. But I do think
it will have an impact um on on players in
their decision making. As for you know, can I win
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a championship? Can I get to the finals? Winning is important,
but at the end of the day, they're the financial
consideration oftentimes wins out. Yeah, I get that, but like,
I don't know, Um, if the differences for Chris Paul,
fifty million dollars sounds like it is a ton of money, right,
but it's four years versus five, so he would if
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he wanted to keep playing, he could make he'd make
some of that in the back end. Additionally, like what
is the value of competing for a championship? On the
other hand, you'd have to move your family, uproot your
family and change and there's no guarantee of a championship
like it is. It's a It's a really interesting discussion
that I'm sure a lot of these players have, aren't they, Terry, Oh,
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I'm sure they are. And you know, it's an individual um,
you know preference. You there have been players in the
past who have hooked on with teams, uh in hopes
of winning a championship. Sometimes they did, sometimes they didn't. Uh.
There aren't any guarantees. But um, again, I think it
depends on where players are in their career. Uh. You
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look at David West went to Santonio last year and
now he's with Golden State this year. You go back
to when Gary Payton and Karl Malone went with the Lakers.
So there with the with the mobility of players that
they're able their freedom to to move from one team
to another, I think it's just how they prioritize their
life and their career. Last thing, Okay, you can't take
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any of the Blazers. You can only take these two teams. Um,
if you ca you start your team, do you do so?
Right now? With Lebron and Durant. You know, I can't
even answer that one. I don't want I don't want to.
You're not gonna wrote me in on that one. Come on,
you wouldn't know because now we're having the discussion. Wait
saying maybe Durant is the best player. I'm not allowed
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to comment on the players. Nobody's gonna find you just
talking about and they're not coming. Like listen, I love
you and I know Rip City is a great place play,
but let's be honest, like Katie and Lebron's only they're
coming to play for the Blazers. Ain'time soon? Right there?
Just put this one I'd love to have that as
a as a legitimate question. I mean, if that was
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a legitimate possibility, I would love to have that problem.
All right, how about this one? This this is maybe
a more fair one. One thing that you see that
impresses you that maybe we all miss because we don't
know the NBA like you know the NBA from the
series from this series. Um, well, I think everybody is
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impressed with um, with Golden States offense, and I'm look,
I'm not. It's not earth chattering, and they're they're a
great offensive team. They're passing is unbelievable. They're extremely unselfish,
and I think that's great for the game. And I
don't think, uh, you know, everybody talks about defense wins championships.
The one thing is probably underrated about Golden State is
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how how much problems they caused defensively because their ability
to switch and guard versatile players, guard multiple positions. So, um,
you know, the offense is outstanding, but I think their defense,
um gets lost because of their switching in their individual
defense and how good Draymond Green is helps side that there,
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they create problems that at your offensive end to even
try and score that hundred and ten perfect perfectly. But
I don't know if you saw this, but the point
total or Game two was more than like eight of
the All Star games since the three point shot came
in like that. It's it's it's it's the thing is
it's crazy. Well listen, uh, congrats another playoff season. We'll
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look to see what your team does in the upcoming offseason.
And thanks to to the best of your ability, you
answer most of the questions and I really appreciate it. Well, thanks, dougus.
I always enjoyed talking with you. All Right, that's Terry Stotts.
He's a sooner, but we still like having him on
here on the Doug Gotlip Show. Be sure to catch
live editions of The Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at
three pm Easter noon Pacific. Uh. This from Pro Football Talk.
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As the Seahawks were considering Colin Kaepernick, we we Pro
Football Talk explored the possibility they might choose not to
sign him because they didn't want to risk a quarterback
competition developing with Russell Wilson. Now that the Seahawks have
decided not to sign Kaepernick, there's more talk they didn't
want him competing with Russell Wilson, brock Heward, who, by
the way, brock Hewed is as good as a color
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commentator as there is in football. He does Seahawks preseason,
he's great. He does college football regular season, he's great. Anyways,
former seats quarterback quote. As much as Pete wants competition
every position, quarterbacks are different, and especially when you've got
a twenty million dollar quarterback, a guy that you know
is your franchise, a guy you believe deeply in, it
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would have been too much, too much in the locker
room for a quarterback that doesn't need that. Now. Of course,
that makes people think like, oh oh oh kid, gloves
on Russell Wilson. We don't want any competition for Russell Wilson.
Russell Wilson is soft if you can't take any competition.
Listen again to what Pete Carol said yesterday, kind of
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ramble a little bit, but then he gave this assume
it's Friday. He gave me it's not you, it's me
to Kaepernick, and really another opportunity for us to keep
abreast of what's available to help our team. And and
we've done it in a million ways. John continues to
work in every at every turn to figure out what's available,
what we could do and does it fit and it
does it not fit? And uh uh you know, Collins
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has been a fantastic football player and he's going to
continue to be. Um at this time, you know, we
didn't do anything with it, but uh we know where
he is and who he is, and we had a
chance to understand him much more. So. Uh, he's a
starter in this league, you know. And and and uh um,
you know, I can't imagine that we we have a starter,
you know. But he's a starter in this league, and
I can't imagine that somebody won't give him a chance
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to play. It's the same reason that Chip Kelly is
not an assistant coach in the NFL or in college football.
Because Chip Kelly is no longer an assistant coach. He's
got to be a head coach, just is I got it? Sorry, right?
And there's no head coaching jobs. There will be one eventually,
And Colin Kaepernick like that doesn't That doesn't do you
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any good. You need your starter to be playing with
supreme self confidence. The last thing he is Koppernick looking
over your shoulder. The last thing you need is Kaepernick
answering questions about the flag and about what he's gonna
do and how that like this last thing you need,
I have no problem with it. Do I think they're
doing the It's not you, it's me. Listen. We just
(28:42):
don't have a starting position available. But there are plenty
of people who haven't gotten jobs because they're overqualified for
the job, right, Like I mean, Ramos is wildly overqualified
for his job. But you know, like he got the
job because of his good looks. That's what That's really
what happened there. Pavos Buyer, do you have your a
(29:03):
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The bills are always interesting, so as Marcell Darius he
joins us on the Doug Gotlip show on Fox Sports Radio. Marcell,
how are you? I'm doing fine? How are you good?
Good man? Did you watch Have you watched the first
two games in the finals. I watched a little bit
of it. I watched the last game for sure to
see what was actually going on. You know, it was
(29:48):
it was interesting. Tell me what you thought, Like, what's
your Marcell, Darius, what's your what's your impression of Game
two of the NBA Finals? I mean, to two pretty
good teams doing that, and man, it wasn't It wasn't
like the It wasn't like Cleveland wasn't playing good. They
were playing excessively well, but little turnovers you can't really
(30:12):
make happen because of the team you're playing against. Them
guys are pretty running gun and once you get into
that chase game that um the Warriors playing, I mean,
is it was like like Seth Curry, you can't you
really can't be running and trying to chase this guy
because the game gets really open after you started doing that,
(30:33):
and man, it just got out of hand. But it
really didn't get out of hand. The guy was just
right when they need the shot, they got really close
to it, and man, there's just stupid shots by the cavaliers.
People that wasn't supposed to shoot started shooting. Man, it
just started on me off, man, I know it's I know,
even even Lebron, as great as he was the first
half second, have you started shooting three? She's like, no, dude,
(30:54):
keep driving, keep driving in there. It's crazy, man. Marcel
Darius joining us. What's it been like around the Bills now,
new coaching staff, new general manager, new defensive philosophy. What's
it been like for you? I mean it's been pretty interesting. Um,
of course, it's like trying on the new press shoes
(31:16):
for everyone. Everyone is getting used to each then used
to each of Um, we're just kind of kind of
jumping together again getting the noise other still and his
offseason o t as. But at the same time we're
still filming each other out. It was the first time
we can actually have conversation and a lot of things.
We're just we're just really just getting the noise other man.
(31:38):
It just kind of at the beginning of the relationship,
everything sleep for a minute, and now we've got to
really break things through. All right, So what's the what's
the biggest adjustment for you? You know, your transition. You
guys are three four team under Rex. How does that
affect you going to the four three with McDermott and
Leslie Fraser. I mean, I'll third out thoroughly enjoyed the
(32:01):
four three, enjoyed and thoroughly enjoyed the three or four.
It's just really getting the getting a clear understanding of
what we're what we're doing, um, and we're unless rephrasing.
He's been doing so great with us. Um he's been
He's been really breaking it down on the level where
(32:21):
it's just do this, do this, do this, and he's
not rushing anything. He's just really taking our time because
we're trying to get to know each other and and
just making sure everything is on everyone is on the
same page. You don't want no one to be left
and and things have just been going so smooth. But
(32:41):
at the same time, we're still having no paths and
we're just running around um noring we'll be doing, getting
the players down and and I'm loving everything he got
going on, and at the same time we're still having
that at jelly moment, still getting to know each other.
So everything is sweet. Now Marcel Darius joining us on
(33:02):
the Doug otlip Show Fox portrait. Did you see the
Ryan boys get into it at a at a bar
in Nashville? And you said, I mean I heard about it.
I don't really play until it too much. Um breg Ryan,
He's a good dude to my book. And I have
nothing to really say about it because I don't. I don't.
I just stay out of it and really don't have
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an opinion about it. What's the one thing if you could,
like you get all fifty three in before your first game,
like you've been you've you've now been around enough to
know what's been missing. What's the thing that's that's been
missing that you guys can control within yourselves in order
to break that longest streak in the NFL of not
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making too the plast What's the one what's the one
thing you know, like we got to do that we
can control. Mm hmmm, that's a good question, I read.
I've never been asked that before. Hm. It was the
number one thing I feel the bill. I mean, you
guys have had like, look, you've been steak bits by
(34:03):
some injuries, right, you've had Yeah, and has been a
big deal. But but that's not something you can't control. Injuries, right,
you can show them that's a hundred percent, that's a
hundred percent going to happen. Um, we got a solid
quarterback now, Um, someone we can really believe in who
can take us there. We have a solid, all sensitive
(34:25):
game playing all offense. You have tremendous players. Um, we
have a coaching staff that's really that's on us, that's
gonna make sure to do you're supposed to do. And
it's just really the only thing I can really say is,
once we hit the steel, we'll know exactly what's going
on now, because when you running through plays and you're
looking at stuff on the board and look, everything looks perfect,
(34:49):
everything looks good. But once you put the toys on,
you put the show to pass the helmet and we
get the playing around for real, And that's the only
time you understand who's really gonna lay it all on line,
what game plan is really gonna be the best thing
for Who's going to really do we need to do?
So I really couldn't even tell you that until we
get some toys one and really starting to feel ourselves through.
(35:12):
I like to get some toys on. Um, your first
time you went to your dad's home, man, the first
time you went to Haiti was win oh man, it
was in January and February. Um, who was out there? Man?
It was I opened about life. So it was pretty crazy.
Like like, what like what was the first Because I've
(35:34):
seen your quote is saying that trip turned my life around.
I hope I can continue to bring change in the
country my father was born. What what was about? What? Like?
What was the first thing you remember about that trip
that you're like, wow, this, I had no idea what
it just changed you and you just really don't. It's
hard to understand other people's circumstances when you're living your
(35:56):
own life and you never get outside of yours. So
of the most part to see what see what else
is going on elsewhere in the world, and for you
to hear something and you hear to travelsy of things
that goes on in Haiti and to actually go there
and see the things they say about Haiti and Haitians
in general. Um, when you actually go outside of your
(36:18):
own world and see what's going on for yourself, it's
always different than what people say. So going there and
experiencement for myself, I have a completely different look in
respect for the people there and the place and what's
going on and what's actually truly happened, and and how
people view themselves there like is one big family where
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people look out for each other. When it brings a
true manage to having nothing is true, you can still
have true happiness. And and for them they have it
all because they have they have true happiness. It's not
about materialis things, It's about actually being with one another
and enjoying each other. Here's something I've always wondered. It's
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on the same island as the Dominican Republic, right, Like
it's it's okay, but but but the but the d R.
Like people go to vacation the d R. The d
R is beautiful, right, and yet you go to Haiti
and it's incredibly poverty stricken, or at least that's the
perception that I have. Why is that like it? It's
(37:25):
like there's parts of the d R that there's a
third world as well as well. You can go as
far as the DR that that isn't what people want
to even talk about. But there's parts of Haiti that's
actually amazing. Like you go to the north part of Haiti,
you have people make all this arm as a as
(37:47):
a resident's got it resourts, and and it has all
kinds of things you can do, all kinds of things.
Water have things, having a lot of fun in the water,
a lot of fishing, I mean, just enjoying family atmosphere.
I mean, but it's just like that in any country,
Just like that, in any city. You have parts you
don't want to visit. You have parts that you would
love to visit. Um, you have parts that you wish
(38:08):
you could visit. Because it's just a lot more to
it than what people try to portray it to be.
That's amazing, man. That's gotta be amazing experience for especially
when you get kind of wrapped up in the world
the NFL and and keeping up with the Joneses and
pulling in the players parking lot, and then in the
back of your mind it's like, wait, I was just
in Haiti where people don't have anything and they're perfectly happy.
(38:28):
Like finding that balance has gotta be gotta be interesting, man.
As as I open, I would say that I try
to get many friends as I possibly can make this
next trip with me, um, trying to schedule it soon. UM.
But if I get a couple of friends and just
come women, just check it out and see how see
how beautiful the place is, see how much fun it is.
(38:51):
Also see the lies that you can actually change around here.
I mean, it was, it was. It was a great experience.
I wasn't changing for the world. I can and wait.
I can't wait to take my kids there so they
can understand. And they're gonna have questions themselves. Even though
they're young, they stood, They're very inquisible, so they're gonna
have questions themselves, and they're gonna they're gonna I want
(39:12):
to I want to open their eyes pretty earlier about
what's going on in the world, so they won't be
dumb to the factors, not know what's actually happening. Marcel,
it's great stuff, man. Look forward to seeing you next
year with Bills in that new four three system. In
the meantime, continued health and enjoying playing without those toys
that you were talking about. We'll talk to all right,
(39:34):
all right, big man, thank you for having me on
Pleasures Mind Marcel Darius joining us from the Buffalo Bills.
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So what kept Kobe from Jordan's was, like what was
the Kobe moment? Like he had one game maybe against
(39:56):
the Pacers, that's like that's it, Like, oh yeah, that
one him gets the patients, Like okay, shocks fouled out
over shock fouled out in overtime, right, you know, he
had the alley you but the comeback against the Trailblazer
that wasn't the finals. He had the game winning shot
against the Phoenix Suns. He had a game winner against
the San Antonio Spurs, but like in the NBA Finals,
(40:16):
like there was a reason he wasn't the m v P.
And even in the last game seven of the NBA
Files he was terrible ron our tests kind of save
the day, right, whereas Jordan's when even when he wasn't good,
found a way to be good when it mattered most,
but didn't it weird on how like, it has not
been that long. Kobe Bryant has been retired one basketball season.
(40:37):
Granted he got hurt three years ago, barely played last
year and then had with sixty or sixty one his
last game, which is crazy, And Jordan was at least
in the Jordan's he got invited into the room to
discuss who else could be alongside or in the conversation
of Jordan's like I I still think we dismissed bird
(41:00):
in Magic and all they've done. But whatever to now,
no one's talking. I mean, Lebron went right past him,
and it's to me, it's the power of the finals.
We never got Kobe versus Lebron in the finals. This
is our second k D versus Lebron the finals. And
that's why Katie is getting all of the do all
(41:21):
of the respect, and frankly, why even Lebron even though
is team's not playing wells getting yes, uh, yes, right,
actually have something to say now, That's why I was
raising my hand, but uh the you had mentioned it.
So the Lakers Celtics series with Kobe was some of
the good finals matchups that he was actually in. But
(41:42):
as part of that because of what you said, all
of those game winning shots and big moments that Kobe had,
because the tougher matchups were always in the Western Conference,
whether it was the Spurs or against the Sacramento Kings,
and then when they got to the finals, it was
like they mopped the floor with like Dwight Howard and
the magic, So he never he had those big moments
available to him. But he didn't win every NBA finals,
(42:07):
right right, So he lost to the Celtics, lost to
the Pistons. The Pistons one really hurt him because they
were coming a part of the seams, you know, emotionally
he had to deal in Denver, Colorado. That hurt him.
I guess that's one of those ones that no one's
ever going to say it, but we all know it
kind of it hurt him and how we look at him. Um,
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I don't know. I just don't remember him. I don't
remember him in the NBA Finals, the exception the one
game against the Pacers being the guy being the Kobe
game where a lot of it was shack. And that's
that's the downside to playing with a great player. That's
what Steph Curry's going through, right like. And I don't
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think Steph played great in game one or game two.
Game one he missed a bunch of chippies and he
turned it over. Game two he turned it over a ton,
like eight turnovers and probably should have been ten, right
because he double dribbled on that move, the where he
shook Lebron, he picked the ball his left hand. It
was pretty blatant. And then he there was one cross
(43:11):
court pass which is just awful, and it was so
bad that the Calves like, was that seriously a pass?
And they're like, oh, we can steal it, and they
missed it, and Clay jumps up and hits the three.
So he had eight could have been easily ten or
eleven turnovers, but he made so many shots. No one's
talking about Steph. You get overshadowed by the better team,
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which is of course why shacks great, but also it
points out why Kobe is not Jordan, because Jordan's never
outshown by anybody
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ask him if this series is OVA. That is O
V Hey, But I think you know what what we
mean here. I believe that I am the perfect age
(00:43):
for this argument because now the Warriors and we we
do this flip flop thing, which is just insane, but
of course it's what we do, right Sports radio, sports talk. Uh,
It's almost in summer, which means we're looking for things
to kind of drag up. Like there's this top hundred
(01:05):
NFL list, which is just ridiculous, right, Like Andrew luck
was fifty onet on the top hundred list, as this
any list that has Andrew luck as the fifty first
best player in the National Football League, and was it
the list ceased to be valid because you're, just like
we told you, you're worth what somebody is willing to
(01:25):
pay you. He's the highest paid player in the NFL.
You're also worth where somebody would draft you. And if
you were to redraft players in the NFL, he might
not go first, probably Aaron Rodgers. He might not go second.
You still might take Tom Brady. He'd probably go third
or right there. In the discussion of the top five.
Can't be fifty first, even though he's had to fairly
subpar years, considering he's starting to enter a news print.
(01:50):
But this is what we do. We have these lists
or comparisons, and so we've we we for a while there,
and I want to get into this little bit. Later.
We had Kobe and the Jordan discussion. And now Kobe
maybe because he got hurt and he was bad when
he played, and he was over the hill and he
made too much money. I don't know what it is.
But suddenly Kobe has completely disappeared from the Jordan discussion
(02:11):
and it was Lebron. Now that discussion has gone away,
and what's reappeared. Is Bulls seventy to win championship. Bulls
versus these Warriors, the only one sixty seven games won
seventy three last year within the game of winning a
championship last year recomprised this year and so far they
(02:31):
have lost narry a game in the NBA playoffs. You
like how he used narry a game, And so I'm
left with this uh desire to lay out the facts
as I don't think them know them. It's it's an
argument that to which they will never ever ever be
(02:55):
any sort of proof or win. Right, this is You're
not gonna win this. This is the abortion argument of sports.
Comparing teams of a different era. You're not winning the argument.
It's like it's like good luck being the first person
ever to win the abortion argument. Now winning it. But
(03:21):
we're gonna have it anyway because people lack what I have.
Whilch you only have at this specific time in your life.
There's a continuum, right in anything you do, Like in sports,
for athletes, there's a continuum from I'd say probably twenty
(03:43):
that is your peak athleticism. You are in your pra
I do when I was twenty four years old and
I was playing Israel, like we go through laymup lines
and I'm dunking, and I'm like, this is crazy, it's crazy.
I first dunked when I was eighteen years old. One
hand it was I wasn't throwing in, grabbed the rim,
(04:04):
and I progressionly got better, and then I was like, yamming.
When you get to like thirty as an as an athlete,
you're super smart. You've seen it all, and everything is slow.
In that space between twenty four and thirty in the
continue that's when every that's when athleticism and athletic intelligence
are at just the right window some some people's windows
(04:28):
a little bit wider. Lebron is what thirty two now,
So he's more efficient, he's smarter, he still has some
of the athleticism, although not the freak that he was
when he first entered the league. Like there's but he's
also developed power and strength that he didn't have when
he's two. Although he's for for his age, he was
very strong. Kevin Durant twenty eight years old in his
(04:52):
athletic prime, and also because he's lived some he's been
in an NBA finals, He's lost a series they should
have won. Like last year, he's played different positions with
different people, he has different He's in the perfect window. Right,
That's where I am in my life with this argument,
like I'm not my mom is way too nostalgic. Everything
(05:15):
becomes a story about what used to be right, and
that's okay. She's seventy one years old. When you get
to be seventy one, you two would be nostalgic. Like
you know, once you get to fifty everything with everything
was better way back when. When you're a millennial, everything
is better now. And there are a lot of things
(05:35):
that are better now, like the fact that I can
go to Zappos and press sent. It's like at my
house the next the next day, and if I don't
like him, put it back in the box, leave it
on the leave it on the stoop, and guess what
it goes back And like wow, I mean it is
going to basically make malls the land of the Lost, right,
(05:56):
Like no one's gonna go to a mall anymore. We
can get movies directly to any of our devices, and
in many ways, some of these shows, like Netflix shows
are better than network TV. On the other hand, because
I am at the perfect time for that discussion, like
I was alive through the Cosby show eras like Bill
(06:18):
Cosby on trial for sexual assault. Right, but like if
you weren't alive during the Cosby you don't understand the
conflict we're all kind of going through, right, Ramos is
the right age for this discussion, Like you had to
understand this was a groundbreaking show. You had an all
(06:40):
African American cast and it was instead of you know,
previously you had Sanford and Son and um that was
a junk dealer, right, this was a Mr Huxtable when
he was a doctor, like a black doctor with a
family and a wife, like he was that. He was
(07:01):
like America's warm, loving doctor and now like he's being
accused of these awful crimes. You're like, wow, this is
really conflicting everything I was taught as a kid. Plus,
like NBC, you know they're coming back with his musty TV.
But it used to be musty TV, like we used
to get like Thursday night. You know where I'm watching
Now people are like Monday night, I'm watching the bachel Threat.
(07:23):
I watched the Bachelotte last night. You want to talk
about something that it's just awful TV, just terrible Bachelor
better because it's more realistic when the fight over, the
dudes and the guys fight over, like come on, man,
guys were like you got that all? You know whatever.
(07:43):
I bummed, but you know I'm in the perfect Like
we had Mike Tyson on last week, and I'm old
enough to remember when everyone was scared of Mike Tyson
and that you used to sit down and when Mike
Tyson was fighting fighting, you would watch and it might
(08:03):
have been over in thirty seconds. And it wasn't perfect
in terms of style, but like you saw the entire
Tyson thing, like you can't if you're thirty years old.
You don't understand Mike Tyson. You don't understand what was
like Like like that, you don't remember what it was
like when MTV actually had music videos and Michael Jackson
Thriller came on. It was like a fifteen minute video
(08:26):
that you stopped what you were doing. On the other hand,
you're not so nostalgic that you don't respect the way
things are done now. I remember, for example, like my
dad he just he missed the perfect curve, and that
he couldn't play video games with us like we were
when Supernintendo when Nintendo came out, and first it started
(08:48):
with Mario Brothers, and then you worked on to what contra.
Then you have the cheat codes A B B A up, down, up, down, left, right, left,
right right, and you get you get the multiple, you
get the unlimited line with Super Mario Brothers. And then
you have your dad sit down and play with you,
and he couldn't like figure out the control. You're like, dude,
this is not that hard. You have two degrees? What's
(09:10):
going on? Like, I'm not at that point in my
life yet, Like, I still like technology. I still know
how to use a cell phone. I know how to
play video games with my kids. I'm still young enough
and athletic enough to play. So I'm like getting this
perfect window. So when people compare the Bulls of and
like I couldn't compete with the Warriors, I actually have
(09:30):
a reasonable perspective on it. Huh. Nowadays you need to
be versatile on both offense and defense, right, That's like
the whole thing. That's that's what makes the Warrior special
is that Draymond Green is their center at times, but
he can also come out and play small forward, and
Kevin Durant can play kind of any position on the floor,
(09:51):
and you have to be able to guard them with
that same sort of flexibility. Well that's good because I'm
old enough to remember Bulls had Ron Harper, who was
a versatile defender, Scottie Pippen versatile, incredible defender, Michael Jordan's versatile,
incredible defender, Dennis Rodman, who everybody thinks of. Like the
last thing you think of with Dennis Rodman is the
(10:13):
piercings and the dies and just getting rebounds and you know,
wearing a dress and married a Karmen Electra for a
while like freak show, right. But what people forget is
during the prime of his NBA career, he was not
only intimidator and a rebounder, he was also one of
the elite defenders in the history of the NBA, going
(10:34):
back to his two championships with the Pistons, could guard
ada position like Tony Coo. Coach was probably a little
bit ahead of his time. Would fit in better now
with how they play than he did then. That was there,
That would be their five. But I'm also reasonable and
not reasonable to know the games officiated differently. These players
grew up shooting three point shot there, but but I
(10:55):
have the perspective to understand that just because former NBA
players didn't shoot three point shots with as much volume
doesn't mean they couldn't. It's like you ask any guy there.
When I was in my twenties, people would joke because
I get married four years old, and you know, guys
(11:19):
would joke like, oh your next wife, you know what
you do? You like cut your age in half and
had five That just sounds like now, it sounds miserable
to that. It sounds miserable to me. The guy that's
miserable to me, alright, Like my wife, Like that's it's
the exact age to which she has. She's she's had kids,
(11:40):
she's got a college, she's lived a life, she's lived
a different parts of the world. Like we can actually
have reasonable arguments. Again, there are arguments she ain't gonna win.
I ain't gonna win, just like the Bulls argument or
the Warriors argument. You're not gonna but yeah, I'm never
gonna win an argument wife that's like not actually gonna have.
But the point is that you ask any guy who's
(12:01):
like in thirty five to even fifty, Like, forget, which
kind of woman would you like dream of one night
with what type of when would you actually like to
have dinner and have a conversation with and be around
And they'll be like, oh, it's the perfect age. And
the same thing with guys, and the same thing with
(12:22):
this argument, I'm not trying to dismiss you as being
twenty five and not knowing anything, but you're twenty five
and you do really don't know anything. You see Michael
Jordan's in highlights. We saw Michael Jordan's who just didn't
have the ability to let his team lose the way
that Lebron had the ability to let his team lose.
(12:46):
And so when people say, hey, you the comparison those
old bulls, they couldn't guard these words like, well, actually
having lived it, haven't seen it. Understanding how that team
was put together. There isn't another team historically that could
match up with the type of versatility and athleticism. Be
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sure to catch live editions of The Doug gott Leap
Show weekdays at three p m. Eastern noon Pacific on
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Stott's kind of have to spend some time of this
year on The Doug Gotleap Show coach, How are you.
I'm doing well, Doug, how are you doing good? Um? Alright,
just from a like a former player, current coach, longtime assistant,
(13:29):
your perspective, what's your reaction to the first two NBA
Finals games. Well, it's probably a very similar to the
last year. Uh, you know Golden State where the defending
champions they came in and one convincingly in the first
two games. I'm sure everybody last year at this time
was wondering if there's going to be a sweep as well. So, um,
(13:51):
I do think this year has a little bit of
a different feel to it. Um. Golden State looks very focused. Uh,
probably in large part of what happened last season. Obviously
Kevin durant is uh is a big difference maker. But uh,
you like the way I really like the way Golden
States playing. But Cleveland coming home, there's a home court advantage.
(14:13):
It should be interesting games coming up, all right. Let's uh,
let's in terms of of trying to trying to kind
of change the momentum. Um, boy, it feels like it
feels like the first half, you know they're they're playing
with them really well, that that Cleveland's pushing the basketball,
Lebron going downhill in transition attacking, but it feels like
they get to a point the third quarter and le
(14:34):
Bron gets tired and stops driving and starts shooting jump shots,
and Kyrie is missing finishes that he normally makes because
of fatigue. And they don't really have a third option
in terms of a shot creator. Even though Kevin loves
put up good numbers, he needs somebody else create shots
for him. How do you like, you've been in all
those locker roomview in the NBA finals before? How do
you how do you adjust to that? If you're the
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Calves and you're coming home, well, you know, I think
it's difficult coaching or giving advice for another team. I
do think playing the Warriors, having played them in the playoffs, uh,
scoring is scoring is important. I think you have to
score at least a hundred ten to have a chance.
The way they can put numbers on you and put
up put it quickly. Um. You know, the way we
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felt when we played them is certainly Uh we played
them well last year in the playoffs and your scores
have to score, but they also have to set up
people and they got to make shots as well. Um,
You're not gonna to score a hundred ten. You need
uh an effort from a lot of different people, not
just uh two guys or three guys. Um, you know,
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passing the ball. I think as as great as Golden
State can score the ball, they're passing their ball movement
uh leads to great shots. I think, uh to you
kind of have to give them some of their own medicine.
I do think you have to score in transition because
easy points come at a premium, especially against a good
defensive team like Golden State is. So it's it's not
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an easy job. The biggest I think the biggest challenge
anybody playing Golden State is the runs that they can
put on you. You have to be able to weather
those and not get flustered and and be able to
kind of sustain some type of confidence during those runs
and then make because of the way they play, you'll
be able to get back into it. But uh, it's
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it's a challenge. Believe me, having played two years in
a row in the playoffs. I mentioned uh in in
the opening my show The Bulls, and that I feel
like because I'm old enough to have watched you coach
against the Bulls and play frankly against the kind of
the early stage of the Bulls. Like there are people
that are going to dismiss the great Bulls team and
try and compare the two, be like, well, you know,
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they couldn't guard these guys. I was like, well, you know,
like I don't know Scottie Pippen, Ron Harper, Dennis Rodman, uh,
Tony Coo, coach, Michael Jordan. They're not only good defenders,
they're kind of versatile. You have lived coach played in
both eras. It's really the league is so different, the
officiating is so different. But what's your sense of of
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the different styles of basketball and how competitive like the
seventy two in Bulls would be against this type of
Warriors team. Uh, you know, I think I think it's
a great matchup. You know, the thing with Golden States
starts Petulia and in Chicago started Luke Longley, and uh
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those two would probably cancel each other out, but it'd
end up being Dennis Robin playing playing center and co
coach would be out there a lot and have a
lot of guys playing forty minutes. Um, I think Golden
State's bench is uh is really effective. Um, you know
in the playoffs. The there's a tendency to shorten the rotation.
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If you look in and see how many minutes. Uh,
those guys played in Chicago. They played a lot of
minutes in the playoffs. I think defensively, you're talking as
you mentioned Harper, Pip and Jordan's we're outstanding defensively. Obviously
Lee Rodman was outstanding defensively. So you know it'd be like, um, uh, well,
you you probably remember the game of the Century Oklahoma
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versus Nebraska in Immovable Force, in the Unstoppable Object or
whatever it was. I think you'd have two very contrasting styles. Um,
that would be interesting. I it would be Uh, it
would be a game worth watching, that's for sure worth watching.
Are we in a good As a former player? I
mean it's hard because you're a coach and and your
team plays this style. You guys, you know you have
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incredible guard playing incredible shooting. But is this do you
like the way the league is going to? Where I
mean you look out there and Kevin Durants one center
and on one side, and you look on the other
side and Lebron's playing center. Is this Is this a
good trend for the NBA? Or do you believe there
needs to be some sort of manipulation of the rules
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in order to to get the big guys more involved.
I'm really leary of of rule manipulation. I think I
think the game is in a really good place. I
think it's extremely skill oriented. Um uh, the whole you know.
I've been on this for for a while now. When
they changed the rules in two thousand one and and
allowed more freedom of movement and having to guard people,
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and a simple rule like defensive three seconds has an
impact on the game and really opens it up. I've
always been a big believer that basketball is a skill
game and you have players that have to be able
to do a lot of different things. They have to
be able to dribble, pass, and shoot and and make plays.
And I think it's good for the game. Um. You know,
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you can debate whether having a dominant team is good
for the league or not, you know, I think that's
up to other people to figure out. But I do
think having having the ability to score points and looking
at the way Golden State plays, I think it's great
for the game. Going back to the Mike D'Antoni teams
and Phoenix, I thought that was great for the game
because it opened it up. They were hard to guard,
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and uh, it was. It really emphasized skill and running
and athleticism, which is what I think basketball is really about.
Terry Stotts joining us, he would have been if he played,
it would have been a center in the NBA, right,
you would be, you'd be starting. I've been, I've been
hopefully I've been a poor man's Ryan Anderson. Yeah, picking pop,
but you could be, you'd be, you'd be a stretch five,
(20:20):
though Natal I couldn't get Yeah, I couldn't. I know,
I couldn't be a center, but I could I could
spot up. I probably more like John Lure, John Lewire,
John Lewier, you know, but John Leeward played some center
like you. Forget about how small some of these teams
are playing. John us here on the on the Doug Gotlip,
you mentioned whether or not it's it's good. I guess
my question is, and and maybe you have more insight.
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You know, there's been people reached out on Twitter and
some of your guys even, Hey, Paul George, go to
go to Portland. You guys, you're gonna win and go
to Portland. And I wonder if players will say, well, hell, like,
look at the respect cadis getting because he joined a
champ chip caliber team and now he has the ability
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to show his skill or does the and you know
how the collective partne agreement works. It's just more financially
beneficial for most of these guys to stay with their
current team, sign with these ridiculous uh thirty million plus
a year contracts so that they never leave, but they
won't be able to compete. How do you think, just
from your sensinel league, how do you think these super
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teams affect many of the upcoming free agents? Well, that's
a good question. I don't I don't know. Certainly, I
like the fact that there is incentive to stay with
stay with your team, um to kind of even the
playing field. The whole idea of super teams has been
around for a long time. I think they were making
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trades and it wasn't done through free agency. But uh,
you look at um you know, Cream and Worthy and Magic,
Uh that's a superteam and Michael Bird and Parish that's
a superteam by today's terminology. Uh. But I do think
it will have an impact um on on players in
their decision making. As for you know, can I win
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a championship? Can I get to the finals? Winning is important,
but at the end of the day, they're the financial
consideration oftentimes wins out. Yeah, I get that, but like,
I don't know, Um, if the differences for Chris Paul,
fifty million dollars sounds like it is a ton of money, right,
but it's four years versus five, so he would if
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he wanted to keep playing, he could make he'd make
some of that in the back end. Additionally, like what
is the value of competing for a championship? On the
other hand, you'd have to move your family, uproot your
family and change and there's no guarantee of a championship
like it is. It's a It's a really interesting discussion
that I'm sure a lot of these players have, aren't they, Terry, Oh,
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I'm sure they are. And you know, it's an individual um,
you know preference. You there have been players in the
past who have hooked on with teams, uh in hopes
of winning a championship. Sometimes they did, sometimes they didn't. Uh.
There aren't any guarantees. But um, again, I think it
depends on where players are in their career. Uh. You
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look at David West went to Santonio last year and
now he's with Golden State this year. You go back
to when Gary Payton and Karl Malone went with the Lakers.
So there with the with the mobility of players that
they're able their freedom to to move from one team
to another, I think it's just how they prioritize their
life and their career. Last thing, Okay, you can't take
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any of the Blazers. You can only take these two teams. Um,
if you ca you start your team, do you do so?
Right now? With Lebron and Durant. You know, I can't
even answer that one. I don't want I don't want to.
You're not gonna wrote me in on that one. Come on,
you wouldn't know because now we're having the discussion. Wait
saying maybe Durant is the best player. I'm not allowed
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to comment on the players. Nobody's gonna find you just
talking about and they're not coming. Like listen, I love
you and I know Rip City is a great place play,
but let's be honest, like Katie and Lebron's only they're
coming to play for the Blazers. Ain'time soon? Right there?
Just put this one I'd love to have that as
a as a legitimate question. I mean, if that was
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a legitimate possibility, I would love to have that problem.
All right, how about this one? This this is maybe
a more fair one. One thing that you see that
impresses you that maybe we all miss because we don't
know the NBA like you know the NBA from the
series from this series. Um, well, I think everybody is
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impressed with um, with Golden States offense, and I'm look,
I'm not. It's not earth chattering, and they're they're a
great offensive team. They're passing is unbelievable. They're extremely unselfish,
and I think that's great for the game. And I
don't think, uh, you know, everybody talks about defense wins championships.
The one thing is probably underrated about Golden State is
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how how much problems they caused defensively because their ability
to switch and guard versatile players, guard multiple positions. So, um,
you know, the offense is outstanding, but I think their defense,
um gets lost because of their switching in their individual
defense and how good Draymond Green is helps side that there,
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they create problems that at your offensive end to even
try and score that hundred and ten perfect perfectly. But
I don't know if you saw this, but the point
total or Game two was more than like eight of
the All Star games since the three point shot came
in like that. It's it's it's it's the thing is
it's crazy. Well listen, uh, congrats another playoff season. We'll
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look to see what your team does in the upcoming offseason.
And thanks to to the best of your ability, you
answer most of the questions and I really appreciate it. Well, thanks, dougus.
I always enjoyed talking with you. All Right, that's Terry Stotts.
He's a sooner, but we still like having him on
here on the Doug Gotlip Show. Be sure to catch
live editions of The Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at
three pm Easter noon Pacific. Uh. This from Pro Football Talk.
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As the Seahawks were considering Colin Kaepernick, we we Pro
Football Talk explored the possibility they might choose not to
sign him because they didn't want to risk a quarterback
competition developing with Russell Wilson. Now that the Seahawks have
decided not to sign Kaepernick, there's more talk they didn't
want him competing with Russell Wilson, brock Heward, who, by
the way, brock Hewed is as good as a color
(26:34):
commentator as there is in football. He does Seahawks preseason,
he's great. He does college football regular season, he's great. Anyways,
former seats quarterback quote. As much as Pete wants competition
every position, quarterbacks are different, and especially when you've got
a twenty million dollar quarterback, a guy that you know
is your franchise, a guy you believe deeply in, it
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would have been too much, too much in the locker
room for a quarterback that doesn't need that. Now. Of course,
that makes people think like, oh oh oh kid, gloves
on Russell Wilson. We don't want any competition for Russell Wilson.
Russell Wilson is soft if you can't take any competition.
Listen again to what Pete Carol said yesterday, kind of
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ramble a little bit, but then he gave this assume
it's Friday. He gave me it's not you, it's me
to Kaepernick, and really another opportunity for us to keep
abreast of what's available to help our team. And and
we've done it in a million ways. John continues to
work in every at every turn to figure out what's available,
what we could do and does it fit and it
does it not fit? And uh uh you know, Collins
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has been a fantastic football player and he's going to
continue to be. Um at this time, you know, we
didn't do anything with it, but uh we know where
he is and who he is, and we had a
chance to understand him much more. So. Uh, he's a
starter in this league, you know. And and and uh um,
you know, I can't imagine that we we have a starter,
you know. But he's a starter in this league, and
I can't imagine that somebody won't give him a chance
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to play. It's the same reason that Chip Kelly is
not an assistant coach in the NFL or in college football.
Because Chip Kelly is no longer an assistant coach. He's
got to be a head coach, just is I got it? Sorry, right?
And there's no head coaching jobs. There will be one eventually,
And Colin Kaepernick like that doesn't That doesn't do you
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any good. You need your starter to be playing with
supreme self confidence. The last thing he is Koppernick looking
over your shoulder. The last thing you need is Kaepernick
answering questions about the flag and about what he's gonna
do and how that like this last thing you need,
I have no problem with it. Do I think they're
doing the It's not you, it's me. Listen. We just
(28:42):
don't have a starting position available. But there are plenty
of people who haven't gotten jobs because they're overqualified for
the job, right, Like I mean, Ramos is wildly overqualified
for his job. But you know, like he got the
job because of his good looks. That's what That's really
what happened there. Pavos Buyer, do you have your a
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Seahawks fan. Do you have an issue with acquiring as
many assets as possible? No, I don't have an issue
with that. Let me see me with not acquiring as
many assets impossible instead trying to get guys that the
fit has to be has to be perfect. Remember this
is how Russell Wilson got his job because of a competition.
Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in
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The bills are always interesting, so as Marcell Darius he
joins us on the Doug Gotlip show on Fox Sports Radio. Marcell,
how are you? I'm doing fine? How are you good?
Good man? Did you watch Have you watched the first
two games in the finals. I watched a little bit
of it. I watched the last game for sure to
see what was actually going on. You know, it was
(29:48):
it was interesting. Tell me what you thought, Like, what's
your Marcell, Darius, what's your what's your impression of Game
two of the NBA Finals? I mean, to two pretty
good teams doing that, and man, it wasn't It wasn't
like the It wasn't like Cleveland wasn't playing good. They
were playing excessively well, but little turnovers you can't really
(30:12):
make happen because of the team you're playing against. Them
guys are pretty running gun and once you get into
that chase game that um the Warriors playing, I mean,
is it was like like Seth Curry, you can't you
really can't be running and trying to chase this guy
because the game gets really open after you started doing that,
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and man, it just got out of hand. But it
really didn't get out of hand. The guy was just
right when they need the shot, they got really close
to it, and man, there's just stupid shots by the cavaliers.
People that wasn't supposed to shoot started shooting. Man, it
just started on me off, man, I know it's I know,
even even Lebron, as great as he was the first
half second, have you started shooting three? She's like, no, dude,
(30:54):
keep driving, keep driving in there. It's crazy, man. Marcel
Darius joining us. What's it been like around the Bills now,
new coaching staff, new general manager, new defensive philosophy. What's
it been like for you? I mean it's been pretty interesting. Um,
of course, it's like trying on the new press shoes
(31:16):
for everyone. Everyone is getting used to each then used
to each of Um, we're just kind of kind of
jumping together again getting the noise other still and his
offseason o t as. But at the same time we're
still filming each other out. It was the first time
we can actually have conversation and a lot of things.
We're just we're just really just getting the noise other man.
(31:38):
It just kind of at the beginning of the relationship,
everything sleep for a minute, and now we've got to
really break things through. All right, So what's the what's
the biggest adjustment for you? You know, your transition. You
guys are three four team under Rex. How does that
affect you going to the four three with McDermott and
Leslie Fraser. I mean, I'll third out thoroughly enjoyed the
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four three, enjoyed and thoroughly enjoyed the three or four.
It's just really getting the getting a clear understanding of
what we're what we're doing, um, and we're unless rephrasing.
He's been doing so great with us. Um he's been
He's been really breaking it down on the level where
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it's just do this, do this, do this, and he's
not rushing anything. He's just really taking our time because
we're trying to get to know each other and and
just making sure everything is on everyone is on the
same page. You don't want no one to be left
and and things have just been going so smooth. But
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at the same time, we're still having no paths and
we're just running around um noring we'll be doing, getting
the players down and and I'm loving everything he got
going on, and at the same time we're still having
that at jelly moment, still getting to know each other.
So everything is sweet. Now Marcel Darius joining us on
(33:02):
the Doug otlip Show Fox portrait. Did you see the
Ryan boys get into it at a at a bar
in Nashville? And you said, I mean I heard about it.
I don't really play until it too much. Um breg Ryan,
He's a good dude to my book. And I have
nothing to really say about it because I don't. I don't.
I just stay out of it and really don't have
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an opinion about it. What's the one thing if you could,
like you get all fifty three in before your first game,
like you've been you've you've now been around enough to
know what's been missing. What's the thing that's that's been
missing that you guys can control within yourselves in order
to break that longest streak in the NFL of not
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making too the plast What's the one what's the one
thing you know, like we got to do that we
can control. Mm hmmm, that's a good question, I read.
I've never been asked that before. Hm. It was the
number one thing I feel the bill. I mean, you
guys have had like, look, you've been steak bits by
(34:03):
some injuries, right, you've had Yeah, and has been a
big deal. But but that's not something you can't control. Injuries, right,
you can show them that's a hundred percent, that's a
hundred percent going to happen. Um, we got a solid
quarterback now, Um, someone we can really believe in who
can take us there. We have a solid, all sensitive
(34:25):
game playing all offense. You have tremendous players. Um, we
have a coaching staff that's really that's on us, that's
gonna make sure to do you're supposed to do. And
it's just really the only thing I can really say is,
once we hit the steel, we'll know exactly what's going
on now, because when you running through plays and you're
looking at stuff on the board and look, everything looks perfect,
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everything looks good. But once you put the toys on,
you put the show to pass the helmet and we
get the playing around for real, And that's the only
time you understand who's really gonna lay it all on line,
what game plan is really gonna be the best thing
for Who's going to really do we need to do?
So I really couldn't even tell you that until we
get some toys one and really starting to feel ourselves through.
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I like to get some toys on. Um, your first
time you went to your dad's home, man, the first
time you went to Haiti was win oh man, it
was in January and February. Um, who was out there? Man?
It was I opened about life. So it was pretty crazy.
Like like, what like what was the first Because I've
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seen your quote is saying that trip turned my life around.
I hope I can continue to bring change in the
country my father was born. What what was about? What? Like?
What was the first thing you remember about that trip
that you're like, wow, this, I had no idea what
it just changed you and you just really don't. It's
hard to understand other people's circumstances when you're living your
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own life and you never get outside of yours. So
of the most part to see what see what else
is going on elsewhere in the world, and for you
to hear something and you hear to travelsy of things
that goes on in Haiti and to actually go there
and see the things they say about Haiti and Haitians
in general. Um, when you actually go outside of your
(36:18):
own world and see what's going on for yourself, it's
always different than what people say. So going there and
experiencement for myself, I have a completely different look in
respect for the people there and the place and what's
going on and what's actually truly happened, and and how
people view themselves there like is one big family where
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people look out for each other. When it brings a
true manage to having nothing is true, you can still
have true happiness. And and for them they have it
all because they have they have true happiness. It's not
about materialis things, It's about actually being with one another
and enjoying each other. Here's something I've always wondered. It's
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on the same island as the Dominican Republic, right, Like
it's it's okay, but but but the but the d R.
Like people go to vacation the d R. The d
R is beautiful, right, and yet you go to Haiti
and it's incredibly poverty stricken, or at least that's the
perception that I have. Why is that like it? It's
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like there's parts of the d R that there's a
third world as well as well. You can go as
far as the DR that that isn't what people want
to even talk about. But there's parts of Haiti that's
actually amazing. Like you go to the north part of Haiti,
you have people make all this arm as a as
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a resident's got it resourts, and and it has all
kinds of things you can do, all kinds of things.
Water have things, having a lot of fun in the water,
a lot of fishing, I mean, just enjoying family atmosphere.
I mean, but it's just like that in any country,
Just like that, in any city. You have parts you
don't want to visit. You have parts that you would
love to visit. Um, you have parts that you wish
(38:08):
you could visit. Because it's just a lot more to
it than what people try to portray it to be.
That's amazing, man. That's gotta be amazing experience for especially
when you get kind of wrapped up in the world
the NFL and and keeping up with the Joneses and
pulling in the players parking lot, and then in the
back of your mind it's like, wait, I was just
in Haiti where people don't have anything and they're perfectly happy.
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Like finding that balance has gotta be gotta be interesting, man.
As as I open, I would say that I try
to get many friends as I possibly can make this
next trip with me, um, trying to schedule it soon. UM.
But if I get a couple of friends and just
come women, just check it out and see how see
how beautiful the place is, see how much fun it is.
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Also see the lies that you can actually change around here.
I mean, it was, it was. It was a great experience.
I wasn't changing for the world. I can and wait.
I can't wait to take my kids there so they
can understand. And they're gonna have questions themselves. Even though
they're young, they stood, They're very inquisible, so they're gonna
have questions themselves, and they're gonna they're gonna I want
(39:12):
to I want to open their eyes pretty earlier about
what's going on in the world, so they won't be
dumb to the factors, not know what's actually happening. Marcel,
it's great stuff, man. Look forward to seeing you next
year with Bills in that new four three system. In
the meantime, continued health and enjoying playing without those toys
that you were talking about. We'll talk to all right,
(39:34):
all right, big man, thank you for having me on
Pleasures Mind Marcel Darius joining us from the Buffalo Bills.
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug gott
Leap Show weekdays at three p m. Easter noon Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app.
So what kept Kobe from Jordan's was, like what was
the Kobe moment? Like he had one game maybe against
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the Pacers, that's like that's it, Like, oh yeah, that
one him gets the patients, Like okay, shocks fouled out
over shock fouled out in overtime, right, you know, he
had the alley you but the comeback against the Trailblazer
that wasn't the finals. He had the game winning shot
against the Phoenix Suns. He had a game winner against
the San Antonio Spurs, but like in the NBA Finals,
(40:16):
like there was a reason he wasn't the m v P.
And even in the last game seven of the NBA
Files he was terrible ron our tests kind of save
the day, right, whereas Jordan's when even when he wasn't good,
found a way to be good when it mattered most,
but didn't it weird on how like, it has not
been that long. Kobe Bryant has been retired one basketball season.
(40:37):
Granted he got hurt three years ago, barely played last
year and then had with sixty or sixty one his
last game, which is crazy, And Jordan was at least
in the Jordan's he got invited into the room to
discuss who else could be alongside or in the conversation
of Jordan's like I I still think we dismissed bird
(41:00):
in Magic and all they've done. But whatever to now,
no one's talking. I mean, Lebron went right past him,
and it's to me, it's the power of the finals.
We never got Kobe versus Lebron in the finals. This
is our second k D versus Lebron the finals. And
that's why Katie is getting all of the do all
(41:21):
of the respect, and frankly, why even Lebron even though
is team's not playing wells getting yes, uh, yes, right,
actually have something to say now, That's why I was
raising my hand, but uh the you had mentioned it.
So the Lakers Celtics series with Kobe was some of
the good finals matchups that he was actually in. But
(41:42):
as part of that because of what you said, all
of those game winning shots and big moments that Kobe had,
because the tougher matchups were always in the Western Conference,
whether it was the Spurs or against the Sacramento Kings,
and then when they got to the finals, it was
like they mopped the floor with like Dwight Howard and
the magic, So he never he had those big moments
available to him. But he didn't win every NBA finals,
(42:07):
right right, So he lost to the Celtics, lost to
the Pistons. The Pistons one really hurt him because they
were coming a part of the seams, you know, emotionally
he had to deal in Denver, Colorado. That hurt him.
I guess that's one of those ones that no one's
ever going to say it, but we all know it
kind of it hurt him and how we look at him. Um,
(42:29):
I don't know. I just don't remember him. I don't
remember him in the NBA Finals, the exception the one
game against the Pacers being the guy being the Kobe
game where a lot of it was shack. And that's
that's the downside to playing with a great player. That's
what Steph Curry's going through, right like. And I don't
(42:50):
think Steph played great in game one or game two.
Game one he missed a bunch of chippies and he
turned it over. Game two he turned it over a ton,
like eight turnovers and probably should have been ten, right
because he double dribbled on that move, the where he
shook Lebron, he picked the ball his left hand. It
was pretty blatant. And then he there was one cross
(43:11):
court pass which is just awful, and it was so
bad that the Calves like, was that seriously a pass?
And they're like, oh, we can steal it, and they
missed it, and Clay jumps up and hits the three.
So he had eight could have been easily ten or
eleven turnovers, but he made so many shots. No one's
talking about Steph. You get overshadowed by the better team,
(43:32):
which is of course why shacks great, but also it
points out why Kobe is not Jordan, because Jordan's never
outshown by anybody
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