October 26, 2017 • 48 mins
Doug gives his thoughts on the way the Dodgers managed their bullpen in game 2 of the World Series and what happened between the Yankees and Joe Girardi. He tells you why Cam Newton and Colin Kaepernick might have a lot more in common than you think. And Doug talks to former Yankee and World Series champion Nick Swisher about his former manager Joe Girardi and who the Yankees will replace him with.
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This is the best of the Doug gottlie Show on
Fox Sports Radio Boom, What Up America, Doug gottlieb Show,
Fox Sports Radio Live and Direct from the City of Angels,
which gave us an unbelievable night. Actually, a very watchable
NBA game with an upset Lakers get to win over
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the Whiz, and maybe more importantly, a World Series game
for the ages eight count them, eight home runs, wow,
eleven innings and uh some some new juiced baseball theories
which I actually believe so much to get to. Uh. Also,
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Joe Giordi loses his job as manager of the Yankees.
Not a surprise to anybody who's been following the Yankees,
as when he was asked about the Yankees future time
and again in the playoffs, he would mention the Yankees
or their future. He would not say our future. This
is not a surprise anybody who's just like, oh, I'm
really surprised by that. You just won't following Yankees, which
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is okay, it's hard to follow baseball every day. Um,
but I believe it was a personality clash. I believe
it was. Also. Joe is a He does his own research.
He uses his own study. He does his feel. You know,
he's a former catchers. Catchers generally keep a journal from
every game they've caught at, every game they coach, every
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game they manage. That's just what they do. They have
They have their own kind of stats and right up
and their own scattered report on things. And Brian Cashman
is very much an analytics guy. I was told that
the Yankees have ten analytics guys that travel with the
team in the playoffs. And so when you when you
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hire a guy to do a job and then you're
constantly making suggestions on how to do a job, well, no,
when you do this, when you do that, what do
you do this? We do that, even if it comes
from the best place, you've come from a good place.
At some point the guy's like, hey, you know what,
f you, I'm gonna do it my way. And because
he wanted to do it his way, Uh, it allowed
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Brian Cashman to find a what fight. Now, he's gonna
find a guy who will do it Cashman's way. They'll
get a yes man. They'll get a guy who manages
the players and the egos and kind of does what
they want based upon their numbers. That's what's gonna happen. Um.
But what's interesting about it is I do wonder what
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the analytics crowd would have said about Dave Roberts going
out there and getting rich Hill early, going to Kenley
Jansen in the eighth instead of waiting to the ninth,
or maybe even my proposed idea, which was I wouldn't
have used Kenny Jansen in Game one unless I absolutely
positively had to. Right, they had a two run lead
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in the ninth inning, he had Brandon Morrow, who went
one to three through ten pitches. You mean to tell
me he can't start another inning and if he doesn't
give up a hit, leave him in there. If he does,
then you bring Jensen in. But why let more people
see Kenley Jansen then need to And of course they
saw him, and more and more guys saw him last night,
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and uh, look some things went bumping the night. There's
a couple of big takeaways I have on last night's
Bajor League Baseball game. UM. One, to anyone who says, well,
that was just wild and crazy, You'll never see eight
home runs in a seven to six ball game. You
have been watching baseball this year? This is what the
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game has become. Home run strikeout, pitching changes galore, home
run strike out. And it's also a very long ball game. Now,
look you're lucky. It's the World Series and it was
incredibly entertaining and so everybody watched. But this is also
what regular sees and games are like. And though there
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are home run fest there's long stretches where there are
no home runs, which brings us to Dallas Kaiko saying,
I think the balls are choosed. Major League Baseball wants
to put on a show. We crushed the home run
record this year. Honestly, I think the balls are juiced,
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Kaiko said. Really powerful guys in this league they're gonna get.
There's when you can you can tell the difference in
a mid range guy. He's hitting twenty plus homers. Now
they're not. That's not supposed to happen, and it's happening.
That's what Major League Baseball wants. They wanted exciting to
run lead, you'd come back, hit another home run. Everybody's
still watching. That's what they want. That's what they're getting.
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There was sixty one hundred five home runs and all
time record. So do either the players or the baseballs
are are juiced? And since at least they're testing the players.
I'm gonna go with I'm gonna go with the baseballs.
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Everybody says the baseballs are harder, the baseballs are different. Um.
I thought it was a spectacular night for John Smoltz,
even when Brenda McCarthy's, uh, what was it a slider?
When he says you can see that dot. When you
can see that dot, that's not a good thing, which
became the game winning home run. I mean, Ya c L. Pueak,
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I cannot watch Ya c L peak enough. My quick
takeaway on Ya c L. Puig, I tweeted this, I
understand that my infatuation for watching yas Cel Puig in
a in a in a short series. I understand why
women dig the bad boy, right, That's why they that's
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why they want to date the bad boy. That's where
they want to sleep with the bad boy. That's my
kind and I don't have that kind of infatuation. I
don't go that way. Not that there's anything wrong with
that with Ya c L. Puig, but there's something about
out him now. I would also contend that much like
my friend that makes fart jokes all the time, at
some point you're like okay, I've had enough. But considering
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it's only the playoffs and it's only four four to
seven games, you go back whatever the fifteen games, seventeen
games of the playoffs. I'm okay with it. I'm on
team ya c L. And how great was it last
night that he was up and he really struck out twice,
But he struck out on the two two pitch and
then struck out again on the three two pitch. That
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thing was only ending one of two ways, Pea getting
a home run or Peek striking out. I didn't think
Dave Roberts do I think he should have gone to
Jansen in the eighth inning. I look, I think he
he It's one of those deals where he may say
he trusts Tomorrow, but he clearly doesn't trust Morrow as
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much as he trusts Jansen, and he probably trust Jansen
a bit too much. But that number of ninety eight
and oh when leading in the ninth inning this year
for the l A. Dodgers is remarkable, is absolutely remarkable.
But he's not really a six out save guy. So
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I don't mind going to the closer early when it's
in high leverage situations. I just didn't think one runner
on in the eighth inning was a super high leverage situation,
just like you go back to the night before and
I said, I wouldn't have brought him out even for
the ninth unless you had to let Morrow get through it,
hold onto him, and then you would have felt better
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about him pitching on extra rest for six outs instead
of pitching last night within which includes warming up and
then pitching or pitching two nights ago and then pitching
last night. Here's Dave robertson why pulled rich Hill early.
I just felt that right there at the top of
their order coming up, and with the way our bullpen's
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been thrown and you looked back behind that we at
three scoreless innings after that, to just trust that the
guys behind him. And the bottom line is, you know,
I'll take Kennley any day of the week with a
one run league, going to the ninth inning, no and
leading after eight innings until Wednesday night. That's that's remarkable. Yeah.
I mean, look, if if the Dodgers lose this series,
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last night is the reason why they got to Verlander
to whatever extent they had, and he only gave up
two hits, and yet he was down three one when
we left the game. That's Baseball two thousand seventeen, right, Like,
how can you only make two mistakes and you're down
three to one? That's crazy. But that's what happened. And
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there were some things that went bumping the night. There
was the there was the there was the toss the
second base which hit the umpire. There was the ball
hitting off whose hat did that hit off in the
outfield and and scurried, And there was a Jack Peterson
hit off his lid and then spray in left field.
There's the diving play from Twig which hit off the
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top of his glove became a ground rule double that
actually started the rally in the eighth He was upsetting himself.
If he makes that play, that eighth inning probably never happens.
And Jansen doesn't come into the game. So there's a
bunch of things that that did not go the way
of the Dodgers. But I don't hate using Jansen for
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a six out save. I just think he obviously doesn't
trust Tomorrow nearly as much as he says he trusts Tomorrow.
Here's something really interesting said. I think John Smolts, if
he doesn't win an Emmy for a game analyst, regardless
of sport. They should not have the award. This year.
I learned more watching John Smoltz broadcast game than I
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can ever remember learning watching a Major League Baseball game.
John Smoltz's job is to forecast, foreshadow, tell me what
may might happen, and then more importantly, tell me why
things happened. Tell me why Joe Bucks supposed to tell
me what he's supposed to. Tell me why here's John
Smoltz forecasting and foreshadow and going to the bullpen early,
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and what could happen. This doesn't mean the Dodgers are
are going to lose the game obviously a tie game,
but it sets up better now for the Astros. With
all that the Dodgers have had to use, so many
more things have to go right. The more people that
come in to pitch a baseball game. I know, it
sounds great when it works. You've said that throughout this postseason.
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More guys you bring in from out of that bullpen,
the more you're asking everybody to be perfect. Yeah, it
just doesn't always work. I don't even think it's necessarily
about being perfect. It's it's the devil, you know, versus
the devil. You don't idea like even if a guy
isn't hitting his spots, or a guy is uh is
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not as doesn't have his best stuff, at least you know,
you can get a sense if he can handle the pressure,
right me and no, really early on those first could pitches,
they hit the dirt and they're out of whack and
he's not able to locate. You're like, all right, But
with every guy you go to, you're dealing with a
completely new human being. And that's that's honestly the whole
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discussion between Girardi and the analytics guys with the Yankees.
The analytics guys with the Yankees would always go and
make a pitching change based upon what the spreadsheet says,
whereas Girardi is a former catcher, and though some of
it's about numbers, a lot of it's about feel. And
you just look at a guy like, you know what,
I understand. The numbers tell me that the splits and
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this and that and the other thing. That's great, But
I just got the feel. It's like ke k Hernandez
last night, the single he got was that that was
in the eleventh inning, right in the eleven Uh. Well, no,
I wasn't in love. I'm trying to think which which comeback.
It was maybe the tenth inning which led to the comeback.
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Right kek Hernandez is terrible against right handed pitching, and
yet he's in there. He's hitting below two against right
handed pitching and he laces a single because by the numbers,
the splits tell you doesn't have power from the right side,
only two home runs. By the numbers, he's a far
inferior hitter from the right side than his left side.
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But what the numbers don't tell you is Key k
hernanne has had three home runs. In the final game,
Game four against Chicago Cubs, He's still feeling great about himself.
Confidence just comes out of his body right now, and
because of it, he steps in against the relief pitcher
and and clocks a single to right field. So like, look,
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I'm I'm more of a field guy than an analytics guy.
Dave Roberts probably did everything by the numbers. My issue
would be more with what he did in game one,
unnecessarily as opposed to Game two. Smalt is of course
right in that maybe not the idea of of guys
having to be perfect, but having guys that perform at
their level considering the pressure of the moment, and the
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Dodgers had the lead when Justin Verlander left the game.
That is not expected. And to get to Verlander and
to lose with your bullpen something that had not happened
all season in the ninth inning, puts you on a
course to which you lose the series. If they lost,
to lose the series last night's the reason why you're
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up three one head in the eighth, you're up three
two heading into the ninth. You have to close the door.
And if you think all those home runs are abnormal,
they are except for baseball in two thousand seventeen, and
I guess the You can tell me all these guys
have changed their swing path and they're no longer choking up,
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and analytics tells them to swing hard and swing for
the fences even with two strikes. That's great, but there's
a ridiculous number of home runs and the only logical
conclusion is some hadn't been done to the Baseball's has
to be a base ma manipulation. Be sure to catch
live editions of The Doug gott Leaps Show weekdays at
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three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and
the I Heart Radio app. I love the Lebron's the
best point guard in the league. After one night, two
nights ago conversation, did you guys hear any of that? Like?
Nick Wright was like, oh, he's the best point guard
in the league. Collencowards like, did you hear what Nick
write said? Like? Nick watched the Bulls and the Calves.
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He said it, so it must be true. And I
went on cow He was like, do you know who
started for the Bulls last night? I was like nope,
And I said, good because unless Paul Zipster does it
for you, unless Justin Holiday does it for you, not
Drew Holiday. Okay, justin Holiday, he's the third best holiday.
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Aaron Holiday place for u c L a second best holiday. Look,
he's in the NBA. He's a he's a pretty good player,
but he's like a borderline NBA guy, and he's starting
for the Bulls who are trying to lose and doing
a really good job of it. So and the other
one was, uh, Jeremy Grant, those are the three starting
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that's the starting backcourt for your Chicago Bulls. So if
you want to evaluate Lebron James as one of the
great point guards in the NBA. It's really hard against
that type of backcourt. Then last night he went up
against the Brooklyn Nets. Remember the Nets, as Dan Buyer
told us yesterday, like, hey, Danzel Russell is not even
playing at night, and Spencer didn't wit. He hit a
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couple of huge shots, played great off the bench board.
So last night he has eight turnovers? Does have tennisis
as a turnovers? And I'm not gonna sit here and
say he's a bad point guard. First thing is Lebron
has kind of been a point guard his whole career. Right,
most games, you've seen the ball go through Lebron at
the end of a game where he comes off a
high ball screen and drives and kicks, comes off the
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highball screen, they dare him to shoot. That's point guard stuff.
Or they throw it to him and he's like a
point center point power forward. And he tries to pass
out of a double team and the double team doesn't come.
You make him score. That's that's why he scores so
many points. Is because the way to beat Lebron is
to make him make jump shots. But the common mistake
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is Lebron's a great passer. Well, he must be one
of the greatest pastors in the history of the game.
Look at the assists, the average, and here's where you
need to take a breath and have context. For a
power forward body, he's in the conversation of best guys
at that size to pass the basketball. Outside of Magic Johnson.
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He's not a point guard. He's not a pure pastor.
He's not Magic. He's not Steve Nash, he's not Mark Jackson,
he's not John Stockton. Like those guys are the greatest
pure passers in NBA history. Frankly, he's not a good pastor.
I don't think it's Larry Bird. He's a very good pastor.
But for somebody his size and for a great score or,
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he's a great pastor. Does that make sense? They give
it proper context. See, because what you hear is Lebron
is not a good pastors. I want to said he's
outstanding pastor. He's not one of the top ten, top
twenty pastors in the history of the game. Most of
those guys are guards, and the big guys that are
are the our Magic Johnson, who played point guard pure
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point guard most of his career. So at ten turnover
eight turnovers last night they lost, and I thought this
quote was great because what what a double loss for
the Cleveland Cavaliers, who remember, because of the trade with
the Celtics, they get the nets number one pick, first
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round pick. It's not lottery protected. Tyrone Lou said, we're
running around here worrying about getting the Brooklyn pick. They
might want our pick. That's Calves coach Tyron Lou. After
the Nets beat the Calves one twelve to one oh seven,
so Nets didn't have their best player. Nets end up
beating him, and it's just another win for the Nets
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who are trying to rebuild themselves, and it hurts the
Chas in terms of getting the number one overall pick
this upcoming off season. Fox Sports Radio has the best
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I Heart Radio app. We reacted yesterday to Cam Newton's
ill fated another ill fated press conference, and he's taking questions.
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He was up there for nine minutes and apparently this
was the question that caused him to walk out early.
And big plays, big chunk plays, kind of good to
get to that energy. I think that you're talking about
does this offensive? And I know you had had several
at Detroit in New England. You think you guys have
the wherewithal to do that consistently weekend and weekend. Thanks question,
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you probably did, Like I don't, does anybody really get
what happened there? I don't know. Look at the guys
that are quarterbacks in this league, and they have a
lot of things in common, but one of it is
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like you're kind of the team spokesperson, right, this is
kind of part of the job. And you know, um,
I tell people all the time, I'm not a big drinker, no,
but I can drink like. It's not because and I've
never understood the like, oh you're pennyways you can't hold
your booze Like I don't really know why being able
to drink lots of alcohol somehow makes you more of
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a man, Like I'm not really really, but I can.
I can hold my own and when I drink, I'm happy.
I'm just I'm gonna super speak. And and it's not
a conscious thing. I know. It's like, well, on radio,
you're trying to be somebody, you know, but generally you
ask people like who you are when you drink is
who you really are correct well, by my estimation, who
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you are during times of stress, you is also who
you really are. And Kim is not playing well now.
He's He's also not helped out by the fact that
his star tight end Greg Olsen, who Olsen does a
lot of a lot of things, but one of the
things he does is he takes a ton of pressure
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off him in the media. You know, Olson has done
media stuff whatever, And he answered like quation, But so
now he's kind of left out an island. You're not
going to Kelvin Benjamin for Q and AH. You're not
going to a rookie running back for Q and A.
You're going to the quarterback. And I don't know how
many times we have to see him handle himself poorly
in a press conference to understand he's just not good
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at this. I've heard people say like, well, he's immature.
Like now, dude, once you get to be like twenty eight,
like that's kind of who you are, you're not gonna
suddenly have It's not like like I didn't grow I
stayed back in eighth grade. I was a late bloomer.
Like I didn't grow us five ft tall. First time
I graduated eighth grade. When I entered high school fifteen
months later, I was like five, like a massive gross
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spurt like that. You can grow late, you can mature late,
but you know what, you don't. You don't mature as
a human being, like like Camden's gonna go home and
suddenly like ah ha moment, Hey, you know what I
really screwed up the postgame press conference of the super Bowl,
and then the press conference from my locker two days later,
and then the deal with the female reporter, to which
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I clowned her because she tried to use some football terminology,
and then I walked out and like you like these things,
this is who he is, and it's it's the crazy
part about the Kaepernick thing that no one seems to
remember or recalls. We're so caught up in cap with
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the flag protests, which I'm not going to dispute. That's
a portion of reasons he doesn't have a job, But
we forget the reason he lost his job to begin
with was he wasn't good at these sorts of things.
He hasn't been good at these sorts of things since
he decided to protest, and he wasn't great in terms
of his interaction with t mates like this is all
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kind of part of the job. And look, I'm a
huge Aaron Rodgers fan, and I know that Aaron Rodgers
can be kind of terse and can be defensive. But
what he doesn't do is walk out. What he doesn't
do is humiliate a female reporter. What he doesn't do
is shut down when he plays poorly. He may he
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may look at you sideways, he may hold a grudge
that he may not be trusting of you, but when
he can when you conduct an interview, he's a professional.
He's a CEO, he's a spokesperson for the team. And
there's a lot more to uh, There's there's a lot
more of Cap in Cam than there is even Roethlisberger
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in camp. People have always said, like Cam's just black
Roethlisberger right takes a bunch of hits mobile, huge arm
better downfield. Like yeah, And I'm not saying I don't
think Ben's the greatest guy in the world. And I
think he's kind of full of you know what between
the retired stuff and the aug shock stuff, Like I
don't think that's really who Ben is he? Right here,
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I've I've called Ben Roethlisberger searching for a compliment guy
he is, but he knows how to handle this deal
and he knows for the most part, how to handle teammates.
And by the way, if there's something that leads to
the downfall of Ben Roethlisberger, everyone said in Pittsburgh they
got a lot of young egos, and he's not really
doesn't really understand. He's not really communicating with them. Like far,
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I've always did a great job of relating to everybody.
So what what has a tendency? It's It's interesting. I
talked to a GM last week or two weeks before,
and we were talking about and I've mentioned this before,
about how why so many guys why a quarterbacks a
hard position to evaluate? And he's like, well, because so
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many positions in the NFL are necked down, right, Like
I don't take a ton of brains to play. They
don't really care about smart defensive ends see ball, hit ball,
but neck up positions middle linebacker, right, you call the
defense is you've gotta be somewhat cerebral quarterback, and neck
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up in terms of quarterback isn't just reading the defense,
it's also human relationship, personal relationships speaking. Uh, there's just
a lot more to It's a lot like and we're
gonna talk with Holiday about me manager of the Yankees.
Like being manager of the Yankees is not like being
a manager for any other team. You have your own show,
You've got a pre and post interview, different interactions, you know,
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it's different. Relationship with the owners, like all this stuff
is different. Well, the position of quarterback is different. And
there's a lot of camp a cap in Cam right,
like Captain Cam not terribly accurate. Captain Cam. They've always
been so much further along athletically then all of their
contemporaries in high school and college. And I know that
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Capt Cam Cap had to evolve when he was at
in Nevada. I understand all that, but that there were
there are parts of the fundamentals of how they played
the position that got glossed over because they were just
studs at a young age. There are things they had
God given ability that other people didn't have, that they
didn't have to learn, and now they have to You
can't go back and learn it. We see this in
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every sport. But the human interaction thing relating to teammates,
handling reporters. You keep butchering this thing and all of
a sudden, now instead of looking at your talent and
making excuses for it and saying, well, it's the line,
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Well it's the play, colleague, Well it's the fact he
doesn't have his tight end. You started to say, well
maybe it's Cam Newton. Be sure to catch live editions
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Eastern noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I
Heart Radio app. The l A Rams l A Rams
are five and two on the season. They're three and
oh away from home. Alec Ogiltree other Rams kind of
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to join us year on The Doug Gottlieb Show. And
if you think about it, Alec, I mean Cooper cups
to study holds on that one ball against Seattle, and
you know things go the same way. You're six and one.
What's your reaction. Are you surprised by your fast start? Well,
thanks for having me, um, No, I'm not really surprised.
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I mean, like you said, the ball because all different
ways and at different moments of the game, and you know,
all weeks we just practiced on, you know, being situational masters,
and you know, when when the time comes to back
that play you know, we definitely try to, you know,
make sure we have the right mindset and have everybody
on the same page and you know, ready for that
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moment to execute when you need it. You know, to
have your best. Coach always preaches, you know, day your
best and your best is required. You know, the couple
of games that we did, move right in it to
win it, and you know, but we did it, uh,
and we didn't execute all the ways at the end.
But you know, the last few weeks here, we've been
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playing really well, and you know it's definite credit to
you know, everybody believing in in the product that coach
brought that to us and you know, buying in and
just you know, staying focused on the main on the
main goal and getting the job done. You know. But look,
I mean, honestly, all that sounds good. We were down
at your guys training camp and I like McVeigh, everybody
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likes McVeigh, but she, I mean, like a young guy
comes in and starts all this kind of positivity talking's
the ball of energy. And I know some of the
guys that are vets like you're probably like, all right,
another coach whatever, we'll we know, we'll see was there
a was there a moment to which guys are like,
you know what, this guy kind of knows this stuff.
Uh well, I mean I I went against them, uh
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when was at Washington, so you know I saw the
work they done there. And you know, guys, all summer
guys are the older. You know, they knew the type
of work that he's done in Washington. And you know,
his resonates speaks for itself. And he was young, first
year been a head coach, so he hasn't a lot
a lot of learning still to do as far as
a head coach. But you know, uh, he came in
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man and you know, I think you know when I
other players Connor Balling yesterday said the best. You know,
he's able to articulate his his message that you want
to get to a bunch of group of grown man
so you know, for him, and he did a great
job of doing that. And you know it really his
aide didn't show you men you thought he was older
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than what than what he is. So you know what
I said, just him being who truth to who he is,
and you know, like I said, speaking that belief and
you know, everybody's just fighting in you know, and when
you have that. I don't care how old or or
you are, you know you're gonna have a good Revolts
and you have everybody that that buys and to believes
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in the same mission, alac ogil Tree joining us in
the Doug Gotli Show. You know what's maybe most interesting
and not discussed a ton is that as good as
you guys have been, the defense is probably the true
strength of this team. And maybe it's because you didn't
have Aaron Donald to start the season. Maybe it's because,
like Wade Phillips brings in a totally new system, you
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guys haven't actually played your best football yet. Defenses like
there's still there's still kind of feels like there's the
next level to the defense. Is that Is that a
fair uh? A fair assessment of what the defense has
done and what's the possibility ahead. That's definitely, uh a
great assessment. At least you have to play you know,
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a completely a complete game, you know, defensely I felt,
I mean, I think we've had some games what we
showed that we can be dominant and you know, I
just said his last game to get a shut out,
you know, it just speaks bodings to everybody contains you know, trust,
the process. You know, of course we didn't start out
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how we wanted to start the season, you know, as
far as they're a top defense. But you know it
coach to tell us to keep believing and keep trust
and just keep doing a little thing that you need
to do each and every day to get better. And
you know what I saying, when you change, you know
a lot of stuff that goes around. There's definitely better
learning curves, and you know, I felt like we, uh,
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we just continue to try to get better each and
every day. And you know with that, yeah, man, it's
like I said, it's discuy's a limit for us. You know,
we definitely looking forward to the next the next few
games here to you know, get ready to keep keep
building as a defense and as a scene as a whole.
So you know, we're doing a lot of great things
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right now. All right, listen, I I understand you guys
don't play this week. So most guys week off like ah,
you chow at the house or maybe be in l A.
You go to World Series game. But you got you
got bigger things, right, It's the it's the Florida Georgia game, right,
not supposed to call it the cocktail party anymo or
and and I know that you're helping raise money to
get back to Jacksonville. But for for people who aren't
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familiar with the Florida Georgia rivalry, what what's your best
memory of this game? My best memory was my last
year there when we had Jarvis Jones. He's actually made
a play at the end of the game to cause
a fumble and you know he was able to win
the game there. Um, just it was just I mean
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because actually to do to do that Jordan read that
caught the ball was actually my my man and I
end up dropping coverage and you know, Mr Tackle and
he he saved me, and you know it definitely just
it was just a joy. You know, the elite that
you know was the able to pull it off and
win the game like that. So you know, that was
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probably one of the best memories I had for sure. Yeah,
of course, I know your brother went to U g
A as well, put of All State going all hands
to get back to Jacksonville. You and Kevin Carter of
course play at Florida. But look this dog team, this
this boy was pretty good. Now went up Notre Dame.
Gotta win right now in line to play UH to
play Alabama for SEC championship and a chance to play
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for A for A for a national championship. UM. Kind
of interesting. Kirby Smart in his second year. We've seen
other guys in their second year. UM. I'm wondering though,
for you, a defensive guy and a defensive coach taking
over for Mark Rick, did you think that it would hit,
that it would click this early? Um? I knew that
he would do a tremendous job there. I mean I
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was just remember recruiting days of coming out of high
school and you know, he was one of the one
of the best room cruise ever to do it in
my eyes. And uh so I definitely figured that, you know,
once he got his opportunity to, you know, get his
guys in there that you know he wasn't playing with,
you know, coach Rick guys, and you know, just get
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everybody in there, you know that he wanted to have
in there. You know, I definitely thought that he could
do a tremendous job for for Georgia. And he's doing that. Man.
You know, it's like I said, it could happen down
or could happen later a little bit later, but you know,
he's definitely happy and excited that it. So he's definitely
changed the program around right now. Like I said, with
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the All State Vegas that's that's gonna be fun doing
that this weekend for sure. And it's also it's it's
gotta be good to go home, not just when Georgia
is good and Florida's down in Florida, but the Rams
being good too. Write like last year. I mean, you're like, man,
I don't want to show my face of this thing now, like,
oh yeah, you guys are awesome. Hey have you seen
have you seen the video Sony Michelle's uh steff arm
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I didn't see the stiff on him. I saw it
when he truck he trucked to do. Yeah, he trucked
to do. Who who was he truck he ran over?
Oh right, yeah, I saw him when he ran him over,
and though I saw, uh, what's the other back? I
forgot the other back and that he jumped over and uh,
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they just they they're doing like I said, man, they
I think we have the best running back group in
the nation, you know, as as far as the two
times with Childs and Sony and then you're bringing something
the other young guys that come in there and spare them. So,
you know, I think they've they've done a really great
job of just you know, keeping that position of Donald position,
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you know, and everybody's, like I said, they bought into
like like Kirby was selling them that, you know, and
when you do that, you have you had, you tend
to have great teams. And you know, that's definitely gonna
They're definitely gonna be there for the running and you know,
hopefully they take care of business this weekend and just
keep pushing forwards. For sure, When was the last time
you got truck like that? Last time I got truck
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like that? Uh? Does happen that they do? Even do it?
Definitely happened. It definitely happens. I don't know last time
I like that. I'm trying not. I can't remember. Okay,
maybe maybe here's here's here's I start off a cup
of tackles. You know, I will say that here here's
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a better question. Right, So you're you're going to Jacksonville
for the game, right? Yeah? Okay, so are you like
loading up on Southern food? Right? Like? Are you gonna
you gotta I gotta get some grids? I gotta get
some sweet tea. I'm just gonna live in Chick fil
A and then stop it all my favorite Like are
you are you are you gonna load up on because
you can't get you can't get great Southern food in
southern California. You can't. You can't get that that the
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southern hospitality and out here in California. But you know
they have they definitely have some some good food out
here to eat. But you know, definitely when you go home,
you definitely like to load up on stuff that you
don't typically get, you know, out here, and I go
to backbeat, I gotta let's see you said, get some grids,
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Uh all different types about barbecue spots. Uh what else
is you know there's about of stuff that you eat
un South. So it's like I said, it's it's fun, man.
I enjoy I enjoyed being out here. But you know,
definitely here you go back home, you definitely try to
get some of the spots that you are you don't
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get a chance to go to, you know, throughout the years. Yeah,
gotta flip. You gotta flip your accent, you gotta flip
your diet. Of course, gotta kind of change your lad
too a little bit to go back home, No, no question, Hey,
enjoy the victory lap in Jacksonviell. Good luck to your dogs,
and thanks so much for joining us on behalf of
All State. Really appreciate it. We'll do it. Thank you
for having Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk
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Fox sports Radio dot com and within the I Heart
Radio app. Nick Swisher covers it for Fox Sports. He
joins us on the Doug Gottlip Show. I want to
get your thoughts on Girardi, who you played for in
a moment, but let's start with last night. How much
to blame is Dave Roberts oh? Man, Wait, what was
the question here? One more time? How much to blame
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is Dave Roberts oh I don't know if you could
really blame him on Batman. I mean, it depends on
what you're trying to blame him for. Are you trying
to blame him because you think maybe you took rich
Hill out a little early? I don't think it was
taking rich Hill. I think it was he went turnstyle.
You know, he went turnstyle really really quickly, and then
you know, like look if you had an issue with
any of those moves, rich Hill speak, now, if you
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had a move he uses, he uses, if it's easy
to kind of like sit back here now that I've
kind of been on both sides and kind of do
that Monday morning quarterback. And by the way, the Dodgers
didn't lose because rich Hill came out of the game early.
The Dodgers lost because they had everything set up for
the ninth inning and Kenley Jensen just just didn't get
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it done for the first time in his postseason career.
I think that was exactly the game plan going in.
Although the one thing, and I said, just like you,
is Dave Roberts might have gone and gotten rich Hill
a little early. Looking back on it today, I've faced
rich ever since college. He's a Michigan guy. I'm in
Ohio stake guy. I've known him for so long. I
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know his emotion and he was visibly upset to be
taken out of that game. I still feel like he
might have had a little bit more in the tank.
But the way the game shaped out, there were three
scoreless inning after Riche came out of the game. No, no,
but he also but he also looked he took my
Ada out only after only one third. Um he Watson
Watson through one pitch, uh stripling coming, stripling comes in walks.
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One guy like, look you walk. One guy clearly looked nervous.
Maybe you go get him when he took Brandon More.
I'm just I'm wondering, as a guy who has played
in this thing, one this thing, if if, if you,
if there was a move to which you like, wouldn't
have done that? If I was him, I know what?
Never for myself. No, And and you can even ask
the Dodger players in that locker room. There's no one
they would want on the mound more than Kenley Jensen
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and the game. The one thing I think that you're
seeing more often is and you saw under mile on
our Giles a closer for the Houston Astros as well
as these closers are being asked to do things that
they're not used to doing. They're bringing closer been in
the early eight, late seventh inning, asking these guys to
get five, six, seven out. Hey man, that's a tough
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thing to do. I mean, there are good players at
every time they come to the plate. These guys know
how to hit. And you saw it last night. I mean,
he made one mistake to Marwin Gonzalez and the next thing,
you know, the game is time. Um. A pretty exciting game, Um,
most of the bro I mean that's as as as
a baseball man and also as a fan of the game.
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We need games like that. People become interested in the
next thing. You know, our game just exploded, all right,
But what's the deal with the base There's gotta be
something with the baseball, right, Like I mean, like, I mean,
eight home runs and I understand that. Um. I brought
this up with Matt Holliday, who joined us earlier. Like,
I understand that that the Josh Donaldson, Hey, money's in
the air, not in the ground, like guys are swinging
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instead of swinging you know, upper half. They're trying to
hit lower half of the baseball now right, And okay,
but that's great. Eight home runs, more home runs we've
ever seen hit. And Okay, it's a hot night and
Dodger Stadium, which traditionally is a tough place to hit
the ball out of the ballpark. But you see enough
home runs in the postseason you think there's something is
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something going on these baseballs. And I don't know but
I felt the same thing that you're thinking right now,
especially with George Stringer hit that bone in the gap,
and I was like, oh, man, there he goes, dude,
his job got him over and got him in and
the next thing you know, that baseball looked like he'd
hit up a whole another like jet stream and just
jumped right out of the ballpark. I think there were
a couple of homers like that. I saw Jock Peterson
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kind of got jammed in on the label a little bit.
But hey man, either way, I'm a monster fan the
long ball, just like I think a lot of other
people are as well. And you gotta remember, man, like
guys nowadays aren't scared of striking out. I said something
to my wife about the third inning. I was like, man,
I feel like every single person on both sides are
taking just absolute rips, not trying to put the ball
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in play, trying to put the ball in the seat.
I mean, Murphy spoke very openly about it. Turner has
as well. Where any opportunity of these guys to get
the have the chance to get the baseball in the air.
With the amount of for loscity it's coming in nowadays,
it feels like if you can barrel something up and
get it in the air, the chances of it leaving
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the ballpark are really good. You know, it's funny, it's
actually helping me. My son's eight, a little bit of
a baller, first baseman, left handed. But you know, I
tell them now, when little kids strike out, you're like, hey, man,
the guys in the big leage they strike out all
the time. Like Aaron Judge helps us, like, don't feel bad.
Aaron Judge struck out like two hundred times. You're you're
still good. Now you're not six, So okay, liked is
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the same thing. You hit two hundred this year, but
hit thirty home runs. Now, back in the day, that
might not have been a good year. But now with
ops and all that stuff, I mean, that's a that's
a decent year. Somewhere. Dave Kingman sitting there going like, hey, dude,
I was doing this back in the day. Um okay,
so yeah, I'm wondering if there's baseball guys usually like, hey,
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there's there's no momentum. You go back to Houston. But
they got to Kenley. No one had ever gotten to Kenley.
You know, you saw that Dodging Number No. This season
when leading heading into the ninth and on a on
a game in which they probably weren't expecting to win
because it was Verlander. But to Verlander to leave the
game with a three to one lead, you had Verlander,
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I would have to think this is kind of feels
like a little bit of the Russian is cut moment
for the Dodgers, that the the Astros got to Kenley
Jansen and a game that they probably should have won
with the leading a three one, leading the in the eighth.
Do you think there's is there carry over from Game
two into Houston? Yeah? A machine, he's a man human.
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I mean, it just kind of seemed like really really
kind of gripped onto that moment. And hey, by the
way I saw it, just like we saw how dominating
of a team that they can be, especially against the
New York Yankees and a LCS mat that was impressive
for the Yankees to win three games at home, and
he beudiently turned it around and get dominated game six.
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In Game seven, I mean, that was crazy. I think
that we've talked about it this whole postseason, how home
field advantage has been such a crucial thing to have.
It's never really been like that in baseball before. But
I also feel like you've got two great stories. Man,
with all the devastation that happened to Houston with the
hurricane and the Los Angeles Dodgers not being back to
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the World Series, you know, historic franchise, You've got two
amazing storylines right here. I'm just really excited to see
how it all shapes down. Nick Swish are joining us
in the doug Otlip Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
All right, let's get to the news of the day.
Joe Girardi out of a gig right move or wrong move?
I think everyone in baseball knew this was coming, based
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upon in fact, the contracts extension had been given, some
of the things that Joe said in press conferences and
speaking third person about the about the Yankees. But is
it the right move or wrong move for the for
the Yankees who seemed poise to compete for World Series
after World Series with that young lineup. Well, I tell you,
I tell you, I feel like I'm still kind of
a shock. I mean, I I heard you say something
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that everybody in baseball knew it was coming. I might
have been the one guy that didn't think this was
coming or did not know that this was coming. Now,
if that uh, that gaff or whatever you call it
would have happened against the Cleveland Indians and then all
of a sudden the Yankees get ousted and losing the playoffs,
that is a reason for losing your job. Here is
another thing. This man has been there for ten years,
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he has one World Series, he has been successful. It
just kind of seemed like, as of late, the successful
guys in the game that Dusty pickers, that John Ferrell's
that Joe Girardi. I don't know. Maybe there's something going
on in that locker room that that that I don't
know about, or or something with the brass. But I
would like to think that the New York Yankees have
thought long and hard about this decision, because hey man,
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Joe Girardi is a huge get for another roster or
another team. I just think that they have de finally,
we have done their They've done their homework. They have
had to because losing to Joe Girardi, that's a big
name to be putting out there on the market. I
think it must have been some personality thing, because like
in New York and uh, in New York. There there
was something there to which he was saying, you know,
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the Yankees and their future. He wasn't talking about our
future like he knew he knew something. He knew something
was up this before even the Cleveland thing. Alright, So
so you know, like, look, it feels like they want
a guy who's more in tune with analytics, you know,
less about feel unless less kind of old school manager style.
But I mean, I don't know. I feel like the
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game is evolving. There's no doubt about that. Um. I mean,
you know, Joe Girardi was my skip. I mean I'm
kind of biased about him. I feel like he's done
a tremendous job. I enjoyed him the time that I
was there, But I haven't been in the locker room
for a while. Um, I feel like the game is
shifting to more numbers than more of a feel. But
then again, we were talking about it earlier this morning
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and how players just kind of become numbers. I think
people kind of forget sometimes that these players are human being,
and sometimes it's not always what's written down on a
piece of paper that means something. I feel like, if
you want to be a manager, and you want to
be a leader, number one. If you want to lead,
you have to be a leader of men. There twenty
five guys in that locker room, and you need to
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find out how each and every one of those individuals pick.
And I think Joe Girardi did a good job of that.
I'm interested, just like you. Um, who who could come
into there? I mean, obviously, for myself, I think that
the Yankees might go internally, guys like Tony Pain, you,
Rob Thompson, a guy like Kevin Lal who was the
hitting coach there for so many years. Um. I just
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feel like whoever gets that job is really landing on
a gold mine because that team is built for the future,
no doubt I would. I I tend to agree with you.
You know. It's it's interesting you mentioned and how guys
are just numbers. No better example of the fact that
it's it's there's the human factor to it, where you
know you're you're managing based upon numbers. Hey, last night,
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Kick comes up and he's terrible against right handed pitching,
and I think it was against and I think it's
against Giles's below the Mendoza line against and of course
he laces a single in a big spot. Why because
kek Hernanez is running a fever since itting three home
runs in a game, you cannot you cannot predict that.
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I think that's what's the hardest thing about trying to
guest baseball games is that, by the way, this stuff
is crazy, man, Like, this is like script stuff, Like
you can't you can't predict any of this. You can't.
You can't at all. Who did you pick before the
series began? I had the Cleveland Indians winning the whole thing. No,
and before the series began, Before this series began, oh,
I had the Dodgers in seven. It feels like it's
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it feels like we're not. I just I can't see
Houston winning all three games, right, I just I definitely
think the series is gonna come back here to l A.
I got the chance to be on the field the
last two days doing some pre game stuff, and hey,
rather it was maybebe electricity that you could feel on
that field, man, Like, it's been a long time since
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I've been at the World Series. Man, it was an
honor to be down there. And by the way, I
was having a conversation with the Gordon from the Miami Barlin,
and he was telling me, Swish Man, these guys are
so good nowadays. The athlete is just getting so much better.
I'm so excited to have these young enthusiastic teams uh
in the World Series man, because they're gonna help our
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game grow. All right, last thing really quickly, Houston. With
the dome clothes, it's easy to more home runs, right,
I mean then that then that plays the ball fly
out of there, especially down the line. I think you're
gonna have that thing open. Clothes I made, it doesn't matter.
The ball is gonna leave that ball. I went for
more of the same, Nick Swisher, Nick enjoyce, Safe travels, Houston,
thanks for joining us. Okay, good talking to tak all Right,
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that's Nick Swisher, who really we always need to have
him on, pick up his energy. You know, he's a
guy who's not enthusiastic. The sarcasm, of course,
This is the best of the Doug gottlie Show on
Fox Sports Radio Boom, What Up America, Doug gottlieb Show,
Fox Sports Radio Live and Direct from the City of Angels,
which gave us an unbelievable night. Actually, a very watchable
NBA game with an upset Lakers get to win over
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the Whiz, and maybe more importantly, a World Series game
for the ages eight count them, eight home runs, wow,
eleven innings and uh some some new juiced baseball theories
which I actually believe so much to get to. Uh. Also,
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Joe Giordi loses his job as manager of the Yankees.
Not a surprise to anybody who's been following the Yankees,
as when he was asked about the Yankees future time
and again in the playoffs, he would mention the Yankees
or their future. He would not say our future. This
is not a surprise anybody who's just like, oh, I'm
really surprised by that. You just won't following Yankees, which
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is okay, it's hard to follow baseball every day. Um,
but I believe it was a personality clash. I believe
it was. Also. Joe is a He does his own research.
He uses his own study. He does his feel. You know,
he's a former catchers. Catchers generally keep a journal from
every game they've caught at, every game they coach, every
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game they manage. That's just what they do. They have
They have their own kind of stats and right up
and their own scattered report on things. And Brian Cashman
is very much an analytics guy. I was told that
the Yankees have ten analytics guys that travel with the
team in the playoffs. And so when you when you
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hire a guy to do a job and then you're
constantly making suggestions on how to do a job, well, no,
when you do this, when you do that, what do
you do this? We do that, even if it comes
from the best place, you've come from a good place.
At some point the guy's like, hey, you know what,
f you, I'm gonna do it my way. And because
he wanted to do it his way, Uh, it allowed
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Brian Cashman to find a what fight. Now, he's gonna
find a guy who will do it Cashman's way. They'll
get a yes man. They'll get a guy who manages
the players and the egos and kind of does what
they want based upon their numbers. That's what's gonna happen. Um.
But what's interesting about it is I do wonder what
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the analytics crowd would have said about Dave Roberts going
out there and getting rich Hill early, going to Kenley
Jansen in the eighth instead of waiting to the ninth,
or maybe even my proposed idea, which was I wouldn't
have used Kenny Jansen in Game one unless I absolutely
positively had to. Right, they had a two run lead
(02:56):
in the ninth inning, he had Brandon Morrow, who went
one to three through ten pitches. You mean to tell
me he can't start another inning and if he doesn't
give up a hit, leave him in there. If he does,
then you bring Jensen in. But why let more people
see Kenley Jansen then need to And of course they
saw him, and more and more guys saw him last night,
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and uh, look some things went bumping the night. There's
a couple of big takeaways I have on last night's
Bajor League Baseball game. UM. One, to anyone who says, well,
that was just wild and crazy, You'll never see eight
home runs in a seven to six ball game. You
have been watching baseball this year? This is what the
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game has become. Home run strikeout, pitching changes galore, home
run strike out. And it's also a very long ball game. Now,
look you're lucky. It's the World Series and it was
incredibly entertaining and so everybody watched. But this is also
what regular sees and games are like. And though there
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are home run fest there's long stretches where there are
no home runs, which brings us to Dallas Kaiko saying,
I think the balls are choosed. Major League Baseball wants
to put on a show. We crushed the home run
record this year. Honestly, I think the balls are juiced,
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Kaiko said. Really powerful guys in this league they're gonna get.
There's when you can you can tell the difference in
a mid range guy. He's hitting twenty plus homers. Now
they're not. That's not supposed to happen, and it's happening.
That's what Major League Baseball wants. They wanted exciting to
run lead, you'd come back, hit another home run. Everybody's
still watching. That's what they want. That's what they're getting.
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There was sixty one hundred five home runs and all
time record. So do either the players or the baseballs
are are juiced? And since at least they're testing the players.
I'm gonna go with I'm gonna go with the baseballs.
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Everybody says the baseballs are harder, the baseballs are different. Um.
I thought it was a spectacular night for John Smoltz,
even when Brenda McCarthy's, uh, what was it a slider?
When he says you can see that dot. When you
can see that dot, that's not a good thing, which
became the game winning home run. I mean, Ya c L. Pueak,
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I cannot watch Ya c L peak enough. My quick
takeaway on Ya c L. Puig, I tweeted this, I
understand that my infatuation for watching yas Cel Puig in
a in a in a short series. I understand why
women dig the bad boy, right, That's why they that's
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why they want to date the bad boy. That's where
they want to sleep with the bad boy. That's my
kind and I don't have that kind of infatuation. I
don't go that way. Not that there's anything wrong with
that with Ya c L. Puig, but there's something about
out him now. I would also contend that much like
my friend that makes fart jokes all the time, at
some point you're like okay, I've had enough. But considering
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it's only the playoffs and it's only four four to
seven games, you go back whatever the fifteen games, seventeen
games of the playoffs. I'm okay with it. I'm on
team ya c L. And how great was it last
night that he was up and he really struck out twice,
But he struck out on the two two pitch and
then struck out again on the three two pitch. That
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thing was only ending one of two ways, Pea getting
a home run or Peek striking out. I didn't think
Dave Roberts do I think he should have gone to
Jansen in the eighth inning. I look, I think he
he It's one of those deals where he may say
he trusts Tomorrow, but he clearly doesn't trust Morrow as
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much as he trusts Jansen, and he probably trust Jansen
a bit too much. But that number of ninety eight
and oh when leading in the ninth inning this year
for the l A. Dodgers is remarkable, is absolutely remarkable.
But he's not really a six out save guy. So
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I don't mind going to the closer early when it's
in high leverage situations. I just didn't think one runner
on in the eighth inning was a super high leverage situation,
just like you go back to the night before and
I said, I wouldn't have brought him out even for
the ninth unless you had to let Morrow get through it,
hold onto him, and then you would have felt better
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about him pitching on extra rest for six outs instead
of pitching last night within which includes warming up and
then pitching or pitching two nights ago and then pitching
last night. Here's Dave robertson why pulled rich Hill early.
I just felt that right there at the top of
their order coming up, and with the way our bullpen's
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been thrown and you looked back behind that we at
three scoreless innings after that, to just trust that the
guys behind him. And the bottom line is, you know,
I'll take Kennley any day of the week with a
one run league, going to the ninth inning, no and
leading after eight innings until Wednesday night. That's that's remarkable. Yeah.
I mean, look, if if the Dodgers lose this series,
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last night is the reason why they got to Verlander
to whatever extent they had, and he only gave up
two hits, and yet he was down three one when
we left the game. That's Baseball two thousand seventeen, right, Like,
how can you only make two mistakes and you're down
three to one? That's crazy. But that's what happened. And
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there were some things that went bumping the night. There
was the there was the there was the toss the
second base which hit the umpire. There was the ball
hitting off whose hat did that hit off in the
outfield and and scurried, And there was a Jack Peterson
hit off his lid and then spray in left field.
There's the diving play from Twig which hit off the
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top of his glove became a ground rule double that
actually started the rally in the eighth He was upsetting himself.
If he makes that play, that eighth inning probably never happens.
And Jansen doesn't come into the game. So there's a
bunch of things that that did not go the way
of the Dodgers. But I don't hate using Jansen for
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a six out save. I just think he obviously doesn't
trust Tomorrow nearly as much as he says he trusts Tomorrow.
Here's something really interesting said. I think John Smolts, if
he doesn't win an Emmy for a game analyst, regardless
of sport. They should not have the award. This year.
I learned more watching John Smoltz broadcast game than I
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can ever remember learning watching a Major League Baseball game.
John Smoltz's job is to forecast, foreshadow, tell me what
may might happen, and then more importantly, tell me why
things happened. Tell me why Joe Bucks supposed to tell
me what he's supposed to. Tell me why here's John
Smoltz forecasting and foreshadow and going to the bullpen early,
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and what could happen. This doesn't mean the Dodgers are
are going to lose the game obviously a tie game,
but it sets up better now for the Astros. With
all that the Dodgers have had to use, so many
more things have to go right. The more people that
come in to pitch a baseball game. I know, it
sounds great when it works. You've said that throughout this postseason.
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More guys you bring in from out of that bullpen,
the more you're asking everybody to be perfect. Yeah, it
just doesn't always work. I don't even think it's necessarily
about being perfect. It's it's the devil, you know, versus
the devil. You don't idea like even if a guy
isn't hitting his spots, or a guy is uh is
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not as doesn't have his best stuff, at least you know,
you can get a sense if he can handle the pressure,
right me and no, really early on those first could pitches,
they hit the dirt and they're out of whack and
he's not able to locate. You're like, all right, But
with every guy you go to, you're dealing with a
completely new human being. And that's that's honestly the whole
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discussion between Girardi and the analytics guys with the Yankees.
The analytics guys with the Yankees would always go and
make a pitching change based upon what the spreadsheet says,
whereas Girardi is a former catcher, and though some of
it's about numbers, a lot of it's about feel. And
you just look at a guy like, you know what,
I understand. The numbers tell me that the splits and
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this and that and the other thing. That's great, But
I just got the feel. It's like ke k Hernandez
last night, the single he got was that that was
in the eleventh inning, right in the eleven Uh. Well, no,
I wasn't in love. I'm trying to think which which comeback.
It was maybe the tenth inning which led to the comeback.
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Right kek Hernandez is terrible against right handed pitching, and
yet he's in there. He's hitting below two against right
handed pitching and he laces a single because by the numbers,
the splits tell you doesn't have power from the right side,
only two home runs. By the numbers, he's a far
inferior hitter from the right side than his left side.
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But what the numbers don't tell you is Key k
hernanne has had three home runs. In the final game,
Game four against Chicago Cubs, He's still feeling great about himself.
Confidence just comes out of his body right now, and
because of it, he steps in against the relief pitcher
and and clocks a single to right field. So like, look,
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I'm I'm more of a field guy than an analytics guy.
Dave Roberts probably did everything by the numbers. My issue
would be more with what he did in game one,
unnecessarily as opposed to Game two. Smalt is of course
right in that maybe not the idea of of guys
having to be perfect, but having guys that perform at
their level considering the pressure of the moment, and the
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Dodgers had the lead when Justin Verlander left the game.
That is not expected. And to get to Verlander and
to lose with your bullpen something that had not happened
all season in the ninth inning, puts you on a
course to which you lose the series. If they lost,
to lose the series last night's the reason why you're
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up three one head in the eighth, you're up three
two heading into the ninth. You have to close the door.
And if you think all those home runs are abnormal,
they are except for baseball in two thousand seventeen, and
I guess the You can tell me all these guys
have changed their swing path and they're no longer choking up,
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and analytics tells them to swing hard and swing for
the fences even with two strikes. That's great, but there's
a ridiculous number of home runs and the only logical
conclusion is some hadn't been done to the Baseball's has
to be a base ma manipulation. Be sure to catch
live editions of The Doug gott Leaps Show weekdays at
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three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and
the I Heart Radio app. I love the Lebron's the
best point guard in the league. After one night, two
nights ago conversation, did you guys hear any of that? Like?
Nick Wright was like, oh, he's the best point guard
in the league. Collencowards like, did you hear what Nick
write said? Like? Nick watched the Bulls and the Calves.
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He said it, so it must be true. And I
went on cow He was like, do you know who
started for the Bulls last night? I was like nope,
And I said, good because unless Paul Zipster does it
for you, unless Justin Holiday does it for you, not
Drew Holiday. Okay, justin Holiday, he's the third best holiday.
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Aaron Holiday place for u c L a second best holiday. Look,
he's in the NBA. He's a he's a pretty good player,
but he's like a borderline NBA guy, and he's starting
for the Bulls who are trying to lose and doing
a really good job of it. So and the other
one was, uh, Jeremy Grant, those are the three starting
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that's the starting backcourt for your Chicago Bulls. So if
you want to evaluate Lebron James as one of the
great point guards in the NBA. It's really hard against
that type of backcourt. Then last night he went up
against the Brooklyn Nets. Remember the Nets, as Dan Buyer
told us yesterday, like, hey, Danzel Russell is not even
playing at night, and Spencer didn't wit. He hit a
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couple of huge shots, played great off the bench board.
So last night he has eight turnovers? Does have tennisis
as a turnovers? And I'm not gonna sit here and
say he's a bad point guard. First thing is Lebron
has kind of been a point guard his whole career. Right,
most games, you've seen the ball go through Lebron at
the end of a game where he comes off a
high ball screen and drives and kicks, comes off the
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highball screen, they dare him to shoot. That's point guard stuff.
Or they throw it to him and he's like a
point center point power forward. And he tries to pass
out of a double team and the double team doesn't come.
You make him score. That's that's why he scores so
many points. Is because the way to beat Lebron is
to make him make jump shots. But the common mistake
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is Lebron's a great passer. Well, he must be one
of the greatest pastors in the history of the game.
Look at the assists, the average, and here's where you
need to take a breath and have context. For a
power forward body, he's in the conversation of best guys
at that size to pass the basketball. Outside of Magic Johnson.
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He's not a point guard. He's not a pure pastor.
He's not Magic. He's not Steve Nash, he's not Mark Jackson,
he's not John Stockton. Like those guys are the greatest
pure passers in NBA history. Frankly, he's not a good pastor.
I don't think it's Larry Bird. He's a very good pastor.
But for somebody his size and for a great score or,
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he's a great pastor. Does that make sense? They give
it proper context. See, because what you hear is Lebron
is not a good pastors. I want to said he's
outstanding pastor. He's not one of the top ten, top
twenty pastors in the history of the game. Most of
those guys are guards, and the big guys that are
are the our Magic Johnson, who played point guard pure
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point guard most of his career. So at ten turnover
eight turnovers last night they lost, and I thought this
quote was great because what what a double loss for
the Cleveland Cavaliers, who remember, because of the trade with
the Celtics, they get the nets number one pick, first
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round pick. It's not lottery protected. Tyrone Lou said, we're
running around here worrying about getting the Brooklyn pick. They
might want our pick. That's Calves coach Tyron Lou. After
the Nets beat the Calves one twelve to one oh seven,
so Nets didn't have their best player. Nets end up
beating him, and it's just another win for the Nets
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who are trying to rebuild themselves, and it hurts the
Chas in terms of getting the number one overall pick
this upcoming off season. Fox Sports Radio has the best
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I Heart Radio app. We reacted yesterday to Cam Newton's
ill fated another ill fated press conference, and he's taking questions.
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He was up there for nine minutes and apparently this
was the question that caused him to walk out early.
And big plays, big chunk plays, kind of good to
get to that energy. I think that you're talking about
does this offensive? And I know you had had several
at Detroit in New England. You think you guys have
the wherewithal to do that consistently weekend and weekend. Thanks question,
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you probably did, Like I don't, does anybody really get
what happened there? I don't know. Look at the guys
that are quarterbacks in this league, and they have a
lot of things in common, but one of it is
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like you're kind of the team spokesperson, right, this is
kind of part of the job. And you know, um,
I tell people all the time, I'm not a big drinker, no,
but I can drink like. It's not because and I've
never understood the like, oh you're pennyways you can't hold
your booze Like I don't really know why being able
to drink lots of alcohol somehow makes you more of
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a man, Like I'm not really really, but I can.
I can hold my own and when I drink, I'm happy.
I'm just I'm gonna super speak. And and it's not
a conscious thing. I know. It's like, well, on radio,
you're trying to be somebody, you know, but generally you
ask people like who you are when you drink is
who you really are correct well, by my estimation, who
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you are during times of stress, you is also who
you really are. And Kim is not playing well now.
He's He's also not helped out by the fact that
his star tight end Greg Olsen, who Olsen does a
lot of a lot of things, but one of the
things he does is he takes a ton of pressure
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off him in the media. You know, Olson has done
media stuff whatever, And he answered like quation, But so
now he's kind of left out an island. You're not
going to Kelvin Benjamin for Q and AH. You're not
going to a rookie running back for Q and A.
You're going to the quarterback. And I don't know how
many times we have to see him handle himself poorly
in a press conference to understand he's just not good
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at this. I've heard people say like, well, he's immature.
Like now, dude, once you get to be like twenty eight,
like that's kind of who you are, you're not gonna
suddenly have It's not like like I didn't grow I
stayed back in eighth grade. I was a late bloomer.
Like I didn't grow us five ft tall. First time
I graduated eighth grade. When I entered high school fifteen
months later, I was like five, like a massive gross
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spurt like that. You can grow late, you can mature late,
but you know what, you don't. You don't mature as
a human being, like like Camden's gonna go home and
suddenly like ah ha moment, Hey, you know what I
really screwed up the postgame press conference of the super Bowl,
and then the press conference from my locker two days later,
and then the deal with the female reporter, to which
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I clowned her because she tried to use some football terminology,
and then I walked out and like you like these things,
this is who he is, and it's it's the crazy
part about the Kaepernick thing that no one seems to
remember or recalls. We're so caught up in cap with
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the flag protests, which I'm not going to dispute. That's
a portion of reasons he doesn't have a job, But
we forget the reason he lost his job to begin
with was he wasn't good at these sorts of things.
He hasn't been good at these sorts of things since
he decided to protest, and he wasn't great in terms
of his interaction with t mates like this is all
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kind of part of the job. And look, I'm a
huge Aaron Rodgers fan, and I know that Aaron Rodgers
can be kind of terse and can be defensive. But
what he doesn't do is walk out. What he doesn't
do is humiliate a female reporter. What he doesn't do
is shut down when he plays poorly. He may he
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may look at you sideways, he may hold a grudge
that he may not be trusting of you, but when
he can when you conduct an interview, he's a professional.
He's a CEO, he's a spokesperson for the team. And
there's a lot more to uh, There's there's a lot
more of Cap in Cam than there is even Roethlisberger
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in camp. People have always said, like Cam's just black
Roethlisberger right takes a bunch of hits mobile, huge arm
better downfield. Like yeah, And I'm not saying I don't
think Ben's the greatest guy in the world. And I
think he's kind of full of you know what between
the retired stuff and the aug shock stuff, Like I
don't think that's really who Ben is he? Right here,
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I've I've called Ben Roethlisberger searching for a compliment guy
he is, but he knows how to handle this deal
and he knows for the most part, how to handle teammates.
And by the way, if there's something that leads to
the downfall of Ben Roethlisberger, everyone said in Pittsburgh they
got a lot of young egos, and he's not really
doesn't really understand. He's not really communicating with them. Like far,
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I've always did a great job of relating to everybody.
So what what has a tendency? It's It's interesting. I
talked to a GM last week or two weeks before,
and we were talking about and I've mentioned this before,
about how why so many guys why a quarterbacks a
hard position to evaluate? And he's like, well, because so
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many positions in the NFL are necked down, right, Like
I don't take a ton of brains to play. They
don't really care about smart defensive ends see ball, hit ball,
but neck up positions middle linebacker, right, you call the
defense is you've gotta be somewhat cerebral quarterback, and neck
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up in terms of quarterback isn't just reading the defense,
it's also human relationship, personal relationships speaking. Uh, there's just
a lot more to It's a lot like and we're
gonna talk with Holiday about me manager of the Yankees.
Like being manager of the Yankees is not like being
a manager for any other team. You have your own show,
You've got a pre and post interview, different interactions, you know,
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it's different. Relationship with the owners, like all this stuff
is different. Well, the position of quarterback is different. And
there's a lot of camp a cap in Cam right,
like Captain Cam not terribly accurate. Captain Cam. They've always
been so much further along athletically then all of their
contemporaries in high school and college. And I know that
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Capt Cam Cap had to evolve when he was at
in Nevada. I understand all that, but that there were
there are parts of the fundamentals of how they played
the position that got glossed over because they were just
studs at a young age. There are things they had
God given ability that other people didn't have, that they
didn't have to learn, and now they have to You
can't go back and learn it. We see this in
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every sport. But the human interaction thing relating to teammates,
handling reporters. You keep butchering this thing and all of
a sudden, now instead of looking at your talent and
making excuses for it and saying, well, it's the line,
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Well it's the play, colleague, Well it's the fact he
doesn't have his tight end. You started to say, well
maybe it's Cam Newton. Be sure to catch live editions
of The Doug gott Leaps Show weekdays at three p m.
Eastern noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I
Heart Radio app. The l A Rams l A Rams
are five and two on the season. They're three and
oh away from home. Alec Ogiltree other Rams kind of
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to join us year on The Doug Gottlieb Show. And
if you think about it, Alec, I mean Cooper cups
to study holds on that one ball against Seattle, and
you know things go the same way. You're six and one.
What's your reaction. Are you surprised by your fast start? Well,
thanks for having me, um, No, I'm not really surprised.
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I mean, like you said, the ball because all different
ways and at different moments of the game, and you know,
all weeks we just practiced on, you know, being situational masters,
and you know, when when the time comes to back
that play you know, we definitely try to, you know,
make sure we have the right mindset and have everybody
on the same page and you know, ready for that
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moment to execute when you need it. You know, to
have your best. Coach always preaches, you know, day your
best and your best is required. You know, the couple
of games that we did, move right in it to
win it, and you know, but we did it, uh,
and we didn't execute all the ways at the end.
But you know, the last few weeks here, we've been
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playing really well, and you know it's definite credit to
you know, everybody believing in in the product that coach
brought that to us and you know, buying in and
just you know, staying focused on the main on the
main goal and getting the job done. You know. But look,
I mean, honestly, all that sounds good. We were down
at your guys training camp and I like McVeigh, everybody
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likes McVeigh, but she, I mean, like a young guy
comes in and starts all this kind of positivity talking's
the ball of energy. And I know some of the
guys that are vets like you're probably like, all right,
another coach whatever, we'll we know, we'll see was there
a was there a moment to which guys are like,
you know what, this guy kind of knows this stuff.
Uh well, I mean I I went against them, uh
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when was at Washington, so you know I saw the
work they done there. And you know, guys, all summer
guys are the older. You know, they knew the type
of work that he's done in Washington. And you know,
his resonates speaks for itself. And he was young, first
year been a head coach, so he hasn't a lot
a lot of learning still to do as far as
a head coach. But you know, uh, he came in
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man and you know, I think you know when I
other players Connor Balling yesterday said the best. You know,
he's able to articulate his his message that you want
to get to a bunch of group of grown man
so you know, for him, and he did a great
job of doing that. And you know it really his
aide didn't show you men you thought he was older
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than what than what he is. So you know what
I said, just him being who truth to who he is,
and you know, like I said, speaking that belief and
you know, everybody's just fighting in you know, and when
you have that. I don't care how old or or
you are, you know you're gonna have a good Revolts
and you have everybody that that buys and to believes
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in the same mission, alac ogil Tree joining us in
the Doug Gotli Show. You know what's maybe most interesting
and not discussed a ton is that as good as
you guys have been, the defense is probably the true
strength of this team. And maybe it's because you didn't
have Aaron Donald to start the season. Maybe it's because,
like Wade Phillips brings in a totally new system, you
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guys haven't actually played your best football yet. Defenses like
there's still there's still kind of feels like there's the
next level to the defense. Is that Is that a
fair uh? A fair assessment of what the defense has
done and what's the possibility ahead. That's definitely, uh a
great assessment. At least you have to play you know,
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a completely a complete game, you know, defensely I felt,
I mean, I think we've had some games what we
showed that we can be dominant and you know, I
just said his last game to get a shut out,
you know, it just speaks bodings to everybody contains you know, trust,
the process. You know, of course we didn't start out
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how we wanted to start the season, you know, as
far as they're a top defense. But you know it
coach to tell us to keep believing and keep trust
and just keep doing a little thing that you need
to do each and every day to get better. And
you know what I saying, when you change, you know
a lot of stuff that goes around. There's definitely better
learning curves, and you know, I felt like we, uh,
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we just continue to try to get better each and
every day. And you know with that, yeah, man, it's
like I said, it's discuy's a limit for us. You know,
we definitely looking forward to the next the next few
games here to you know, get ready to keep keep
building as a defense and as a scene as a whole.
So you know, we're doing a lot of great things
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right now. All right, listen, I I understand you guys
don't play this week. So most guys week off like ah,
you chow at the house or maybe be in l A.
You go to World Series game. But you got you
got bigger things, right, It's the it's the Florida Georgia game, right,
not supposed to call it the cocktail party anymo or
and and I know that you're helping raise money to
get back to Jacksonville. But for for people who aren't
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familiar with the Florida Georgia rivalry, what what's your best
memory of this game? My best memory was my last
year there when we had Jarvis Jones. He's actually made
a play at the end of the game to cause
a fumble and you know he was able to win
the game there. Um, just it was just I mean
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because actually to do to do that Jordan read that
caught the ball was actually my my man and I
end up dropping coverage and you know, Mr Tackle and
he he saved me, and you know it definitely just
it was just a joy. You know, the elite that
you know was the able to pull it off and
win the game like that. So you know, that was
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probably one of the best memories I had for sure. Yeah,
of course, I know your brother went to U g
A as well, put of All State going all hands
to get back to Jacksonville. You and Kevin Carter of
course play at Florida. But look this dog team, this
this boy was pretty good. Now went up Notre Dame.
Gotta win right now in line to play UH to
play Alabama for SEC championship and a chance to play
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for A for A for a national championship. UM. Kind
of interesting. Kirby Smart in his second year. We've seen
other guys in their second year. UM. I'm wondering though,
for you, a defensive guy and a defensive coach taking
over for Mark Rick, did you think that it would hit,
that it would click this early? Um? I knew that
he would do a tremendous job there. I mean I
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was just remember recruiting days of coming out of high
school and you know, he was one of the one
of the best room cruise ever to do it in
my eyes. And uh so I definitely figured that, you know,
once he got his opportunity to, you know, get his
guys in there that you know he wasn't playing with,
you know, coach Rick guys, and you know, just get
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everybody in there, you know that he wanted to have
in there. You know, I definitely thought that he could
do a tremendous job for for Georgia. And he's doing that. Man.
You know, it's like I said, it could happen down
or could happen later a little bit later, but you know,
he's definitely happy and excited that it. So he's definitely
changed the program around right now. Like I said, with
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the All State Vegas that's that's gonna be fun doing
that this weekend for sure. And it's also it's it's
gotta be good to go home, not just when Georgia
is good and Florida's down in Florida, but the Rams
being good too. Write like last year. I mean, you're like, man,
I don't want to show my face of this thing now, like,
oh yeah, you guys are awesome. Hey have you seen
have you seen the video Sony Michelle's uh steff arm
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I didn't see the stiff on him. I saw it
when he truck he trucked to do. Yeah, he trucked
to do. Who who was he truck he ran over?
Oh right, yeah, I saw him when he ran him over,
and though I saw, uh, what's the other back? I
forgot the other back and that he jumped over and uh,
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they just they they're doing like I said, man, they
I think we have the best running back group in
the nation, you know, as as far as the two
times with Childs and Sony and then you're bringing something
the other young guys that come in there and spare them. So,
you know, I think they've they've done a really great
job of just you know, keeping that position of Donald position,
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you know, and everybody's, like I said, they bought into
like like Kirby was selling them that, you know, and
when you do that, you have you had, you tend
to have great teams. And you know, that's definitely gonna
They're definitely gonna be there for the running and you know,
hopefully they take care of business this weekend and just
keep pushing forwards. For sure, When was the last time
you got truck like that? Last time I got truck
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like that? Uh? Does happen that they do? Even do it?
Definitely happened. It definitely happens. I don't know last time
I like that. I'm trying not. I can't remember. Okay,
maybe maybe here's here's here's I start off a cup
of tackles. You know, I will say that here here's
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a better question. Right, So you're you're going to Jacksonville
for the game, right? Yeah? Okay, so are you like
loading up on Southern food? Right? Like? Are you gonna
you gotta I gotta get some grids? I gotta get
some sweet tea. I'm just gonna live in Chick fil
A and then stop it all my favorite Like are
you are you are you gonna load up on because
you can't get you can't get great Southern food in
southern California. You can't. You can't get that that the
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southern hospitality and out here in California. But you know
they have they definitely have some some good food out
here to eat. But you know, definitely when you go home,
you definitely like to load up on stuff that you
don't typically get, you know, out here, and I go
to backbeat, I gotta let's see you said, get some grids,
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Uh all different types about barbecue spots. Uh what else
is you know there's about of stuff that you eat
un South. So it's like I said, it's it's fun, man.
I enjoy I enjoyed being out here. But you know,
definitely here you go back home, you definitely try to
get some of the spots that you are you don't
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get a chance to go to, you know, throughout the years. Yeah,
gotta flip. You gotta flip your accent, you gotta flip
your diet. Of course, gotta kind of change your lad
too a little bit to go back home, No, no question, Hey,
enjoy the victory lap in Jacksonviell. Good luck to your dogs,
and thanks so much for joining us on behalf of
All State. Really appreciate it. We'll do it. Thank you
for having Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk
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lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows at
Fox sports Radio dot com and within the I Heart
Radio app. Nick Swisher covers it for Fox Sports. He
joins us on the Doug Gottlip Show. I want to
get your thoughts on Girardi, who you played for in
a moment, but let's start with last night. How much
to blame is Dave Roberts oh? Man, Wait, what was
the question here? One more time? How much to blame
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is Dave Roberts oh I don't know if you could
really blame him on Batman. I mean, it depends on
what you're trying to blame him for. Are you trying
to blame him because you think maybe you took rich
Hill out a little early? I don't think it was
taking rich Hill. I think it was he went turnstyle.
You know, he went turnstyle really really quickly, and then
you know, like look if you had an issue with
any of those moves, rich Hill speak, now, if you
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had a move he uses, he uses, if it's easy
to kind of like sit back here now that I've
kind of been on both sides and kind of do
that Monday morning quarterback. And by the way, the Dodgers
didn't lose because rich Hill came out of the game early.
The Dodgers lost because they had everything set up for
the ninth inning and Kenley Jensen just just didn't get
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it done for the first time in his postseason career.
I think that was exactly the game plan going in.
Although the one thing, and I said, just like you,
is Dave Roberts might have gone and gotten rich Hill
a little early. Looking back on it today, I've faced
rich ever since college. He's a Michigan guy. I'm in
Ohio stake guy. I've known him for so long. I
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know his emotion and he was visibly upset to be
taken out of that game. I still feel like he
might have had a little bit more in the tank.
But the way the game shaped out, there were three
scoreless inning after Riche came out of the game. No, no,
but he also but he also looked he took my
Ada out only after only one third. Um he Watson
Watson through one pitch, uh stripling coming, stripling comes in walks.
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One guy like, look you walk. One guy clearly looked nervous.
Maybe you go get him when he took Brandon More.
I'm just I'm wondering, as a guy who has played
in this thing, one this thing, if if, if you,
if there was a move to which you like, wouldn't
have done that? If I was him, I know what?
Never for myself. No, And and you can even ask
the Dodger players in that locker room. There's no one
they would want on the mound more than Kenley Jensen
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and the game. The one thing I think that you're
seeing more often is and you saw under mile on
our Giles a closer for the Houston Astros as well
as these closers are being asked to do things that
they're not used to doing. They're bringing closer been in
the early eight, late seventh inning, asking these guys to
get five, six, seven out. Hey man, that's a tough
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thing to do. I mean, there are good players at
every time they come to the plate. These guys know
how to hit. And you saw it last night. I mean,
he made one mistake to Marwin Gonzalez and the next thing,
you know, the game is time. Um. A pretty exciting game, Um,
most of the bro I mean that's as as as
a baseball man and also as a fan of the game.
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We need games like that. People become interested in the
next thing. You know, our game just exploded, all right,
But what's the deal with the base There's gotta be
something with the baseball, right, Like I mean, like, I mean,
eight home runs and I understand that. Um. I brought
this up with Matt Holliday, who joined us earlier. Like,
I understand that that the Josh Donaldson, Hey, money's in
the air, not in the ground, like guys are swinging
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instead of swinging you know, upper half. They're trying to
hit lower half of the baseball now right, And okay,
but that's great. Eight home runs, more home runs we've
ever seen hit. And Okay, it's a hot night and
Dodger Stadium, which traditionally is a tough place to hit
the ball out of the ballpark. But you see enough
home runs in the postseason you think there's something is
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something going on these baseballs. And I don't know but
I felt the same thing that you're thinking right now,
especially with George Stringer hit that bone in the gap,
and I was like, oh, man, there he goes, dude,
his job got him over and got him in and
the next thing you know, that baseball looked like he'd
hit up a whole another like jet stream and just
jumped right out of the ballpark. I think there were
a couple of homers like that. I saw Jock Peterson
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kind of got jammed in on the label a little bit.
But hey man, either way, I'm a monster fan the
long ball, just like I think a lot of other
people are as well. And you gotta remember, man, like
guys nowadays aren't scared of striking out. I said something
to my wife about the third inning. I was like, man,
I feel like every single person on both sides are
taking just absolute rips, not trying to put the ball
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in play, trying to put the ball in the seat.
I mean, Murphy spoke very openly about it. Turner has
as well. Where any opportunity of these guys to get
the have the chance to get the baseball in the air.
With the amount of for loscity it's coming in nowadays,
it feels like if you can barrel something up and
get it in the air, the chances of it leaving
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the ballpark are really good. You know, it's funny, it's
actually helping me. My son's eight, a little bit of
a baller, first baseman, left handed. But you know, I
tell them now, when little kids strike out, you're like, hey, man,
the guys in the big leage they strike out all
the time. Like Aaron Judge helps us, like, don't feel bad.
Aaron Judge struck out like two hundred times. You're you're
still good. Now you're not six, So okay, liked is
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the same thing. You hit two hundred this year, but
hit thirty home runs. Now, back in the day, that
might not have been a good year. But now with
ops and all that stuff, I mean, that's a that's
a decent year. Somewhere. Dave Kingman sitting there going like, hey, dude,
I was doing this back in the day. Um okay,
so yeah, I'm wondering if there's baseball guys usually like, hey,
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there's there's no momentum. You go back to Houston. But
they got to Kenley. No one had ever gotten to Kenley.
You know, you saw that Dodging Number No. This season
when leading heading into the ninth and on a on
a game in which they probably weren't expecting to win
because it was Verlander. But to Verlander to leave the
game with a three to one lead, you had Verlander,
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I would have to think this is kind of feels
like a little bit of the Russian is cut moment
for the Dodgers, that the the Astros got to Kenley
Jansen and a game that they probably should have won
with the leading a three one, leading the in the eighth.
Do you think there's is there carry over from Game
two into Houston? Yeah? A machine, he's a man human.
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I mean, it just kind of seemed like really really
kind of gripped onto that moment. And hey, by the
way I saw it, just like we saw how dominating
of a team that they can be, especially against the
New York Yankees and a LCS mat that was impressive
for the Yankees to win three games at home, and
he beudiently turned it around and get dominated game six.
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In Game seven, I mean, that was crazy. I think
that we've talked about it this whole postseason, how home
field advantage has been such a crucial thing to have.
It's never really been like that in baseball before. But
I also feel like you've got two great stories. Man,
with all the devastation that happened to Houston with the
hurricane and the Los Angeles Dodgers not being back to
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the World Series, you know, historic franchise, You've got two
amazing storylines right here. I'm just really excited to see
how it all shapes down. Nick Swish are joining us
in the doug Otlip Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
All right, let's get to the news of the day.
Joe Girardi out of a gig right move or wrong move?
I think everyone in baseball knew this was coming, based
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upon in fact, the contracts extension had been given, some
of the things that Joe said in press conferences and
speaking third person about the about the Yankees. But is
it the right move or wrong move for the for
the Yankees who seemed poise to compete for World Series
after World Series with that young lineup. Well, I tell you,
I tell you, I feel like I'm still kind of
a shock. I mean, I I heard you say something
(44:11):
that everybody in baseball knew it was coming. I might
have been the one guy that didn't think this was
coming or did not know that this was coming. Now,
if that uh, that gaff or whatever you call it
would have happened against the Cleveland Indians and then all
of a sudden the Yankees get ousted and losing the playoffs,
that is a reason for losing your job. Here is
another thing. This man has been there for ten years,
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he has one World Series, he has been successful. It
just kind of seemed like, as of late, the successful
guys in the game that Dusty pickers, that John Ferrell's
that Joe Girardi. I don't know. Maybe there's something going
on in that locker room that that that I don't
know about, or or something with the brass. But I
would like to think that the New York Yankees have
thought long and hard about this decision, because hey man,
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Joe Girardi is a huge get for another roster or
another team. I just think that they have de finally,
we have done their They've done their homework. They have
had to because losing to Joe Girardi, that's a big
name to be putting out there on the market. I
think it must have been some personality thing, because like
in New York and uh, in New York. There there
was something there to which he was saying, you know,
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the Yankees and their future. He wasn't talking about our
future like he knew he knew something. He knew something
was up this before even the Cleveland thing. Alright, So
so you know, like, look, it feels like they want
a guy who's more in tune with analytics, you know,
less about feel unless less kind of old school manager style.
But I mean, I don't know. I feel like the
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game is evolving. There's no doubt about that. Um. I mean,
you know, Joe Girardi was my skip. I mean I'm
kind of biased about him. I feel like he's done
a tremendous job. I enjoyed him the time that I
was there, But I haven't been in the locker room
for a while. Um, I feel like the game is
shifting to more numbers than more of a feel. But
then again, we were talking about it earlier this morning
(45:57):
and how players just kind of become numbers. I think
people kind of forget sometimes that these players are human being,
and sometimes it's not always what's written down on a
piece of paper that means something. I feel like, if
you want to be a manager, and you want to
be a leader, number one. If you want to lead,
you have to be a leader of men. There twenty
five guys in that locker room, and you need to
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find out how each and every one of those individuals pick.
And I think Joe Girardi did a good job of that.
I'm interested, just like you. Um, who who could come
into there? I mean, obviously, for myself, I think that
the Yankees might go internally, guys like Tony Pain, you,
Rob Thompson, a guy like Kevin Lal who was the
hitting coach there for so many years. Um. I just
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feel like whoever gets that job is really landing on
a gold mine because that team is built for the future,
no doubt I would. I I tend to agree with you.
You know. It's it's interesting you mentioned and how guys
are just numbers. No better example of the fact that
it's it's there's the human factor to it, where you
know you're you're managing based upon numbers. Hey, last night,
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Kick comes up and he's terrible against right handed pitching,
and I think it was against and I think it's
against Giles's below the Mendoza line against and of course
he laces a single in a big spot. Why because
kek Hernanez is running a fever since itting three home
runs in a game, you cannot you cannot predict that.
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I think that's what's the hardest thing about trying to
guest baseball games is that, by the way, this stuff
is crazy, man, Like, this is like script stuff, Like
you can't you can't predict any of this. You can't.
You can't at all. Who did you pick before the
series began? I had the Cleveland Indians winning the whole thing. No,
and before the series began, Before this series began, oh,
I had the Dodgers in seven. It feels like it's
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it feels like we're not. I just I can't see
Houston winning all three games, right, I just I definitely
think the series is gonna come back here to l A.
I got the chance to be on the field the
last two days doing some pre game stuff, and hey,
rather it was maybebe electricity that you could feel on
that field, man, Like, it's been a long time since
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I've been at the World Series. Man, it was an
honor to be down there. And by the way, I
was having a conversation with the Gordon from the Miami Barlin,
and he was telling me, Swish Man, these guys are
so good nowadays. The athlete is just getting so much better.
I'm so excited to have these young enthusiastic teams uh
in the World Series man, because they're gonna help our
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game grow. All right, last thing really quickly, Houston. With
the dome clothes, it's easy to more home runs, right,
I mean then that then that plays the ball fly
out of there, especially down the line. I think you're
gonna have that thing open. Clothes I made, it doesn't matter.
The ball is gonna leave that ball. I went for
more of the same, Nick Swisher, Nick enjoyce, Safe travels, Houston,
thanks for joining us. Okay, good talking to tak all Right,
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that's Nick Swisher, who really we always need to have
him on, pick up his energy. You know, he's a
guy who's not enthusiastic. The sarcasm, of course,
Host
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