February 20, 2018 • 42 mins
Doug thinks the biggest issue Heisman Trophy winner Lamar Jackson faces when transitioning to the NFL is not his height. He gives Mavericks Owner Mark Cuban some advice and tells him to stop talking about tanking. And Daytona 500 winner Austin Dillon joins the show and talks about his new tattoo after winning the race.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the best of the Doug Gottlieb Show on
Fox Sports Radio. Mor Up America. Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox
Sports Radio. Comment to you from beautiful sunny, Little Cool
look Crisp Crisp, Southern California. I hope you're having a
spectacular day. Chris bruss artill join us NBA Insider from
(00:23):
Fox Sports. Juan you also here on the weekends on
Fox Sports Radio. He'll be our guest. I've coming in
fifteen minutes. We'll ask him about what Mark Cuban let
the world in on a not so well kept secret
that he has talked about time and again. He once
again is talking about tanking. He said this is the
last year they are going to tank, but they are
tanking in Dallas, Whiles the league gonna react and we'll
get you ready for the second half of the NBA
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season With Bruce Sard. I have my thoughts on on
Louisville's basketball program getting put on probation and having a
banner take come down from the two thousand thirteen National Championship.
UM Austin Dillon, the Daytona five Hunter winner from Sunday.
We'll join us next hour. Daniel Jeremile join us in
the third hour of the show. We'll ask him about
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the topic that I want to start with. That's Lamar Jackson.
So I'm always I always laugh at this stuff. People
are questioning Bill Pollian because he said that Lamar Jackson
he doesn't view as a top caliber starting quarterback prospect
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in the upcoming draft because and music. If if I
get this wrong, feel free to correct me. He is short,
a little slight, and not as accurate um as some
of the other prospects. Right that that's basically the gist
of what he's saying. And so, um, I think this
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is funny. It's one thing for me to say he's short, slight,
and not as accurate. It's it's one thing for calling
cow hurt to say he's short. He's like and And
it's important to note that even scouts and general managers
and even the best general managers of all time will
make mistakes and will think somebody like that Tom Brady.
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We can say what we want about Tom Brady, but
every team in the league, include the New England Patriots,
had five rounds to draft him. So we can say
that the Patriots are geniuses because they found Tom Brady,
but they passed on him five other times in the
exact same draft. Um, so people do miss on things,
and so I'm not saying that everything Bill Pollyan says,
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every evaluation he has is accurate. But we do know
who Bill Pollyan is correct, right, Like, Hey, remember when
the Buffalo Bills went to four straight Super Bowls? Who
is their general manager? And the Indianpoplis Colts and how
they were, you know, always competitive with Peyton Manning and
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boy they had uh you know so many Edgren, James,
Reggie Wayne. Uh yeah, I mean like you named the
star Bob Sanders, you named the star player that they
have in Indianapolis, Like who is there? Germans? Like Bill Polian,
Like it's Bill freaking Pollian. So it's one thing for
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said radio host to say, like, man, he's a fifties
fifty six completion guy in college. Every time he faces
an elite level defense, he looks like a guy who
it's a shot where he throws close to a guy.
He does look smaller than listed at six ft three,
which is probably going to come out in the combine.
He is fairly slightly built, a lot like Teddy Bridgewater,
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whose knee did just blow into a million pieces h
two years ago. It is does feel like a problem.
He is a guy that people are going to consider
having him switch positions, and we make it about a
million different things other than what it should be. Here
is one of the best evaluators of football talent in
the history of the sport, giving you his honest evaluation,
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and you make it about I don't know what, well,
you're not sure. How do you know that he's accurate?
It's that how do you know that he actually has
numbers in data to support him. You ask any of
these NFL guys and they'll tell you that accuracy might
be the most important aspect of uh of the NFL,
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of playing quarterback in the nash Football League. Sure, you've
gotta be able to read a defense. You have to
have some intangible qualities in terms of leadership as well.
And Lamar Jackson is a great, not good, great athlete.
But like, I don't really understand how all of a
sudden you have these Twitter tough guys talking about Lamar
Jackson like he's some refined prospect I told you when
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he came out, Like I don't understand why he's coming out.
He still needs time to work and become more accurate.
So forgive me if just because he won a bunch
of college awards and you think that Bill Pollian's lost
his mind, I sit and go like, I don't know.
Bill Polly probably evaluated Jim Kelly, probably evaluated Peyton Manning.
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He's probably evaluated so many stars and maybe he misses
on this one. But I just I failed to see
where the convert where no one I know in football
thinks Lamar Jackson is an elite level prospect. Now could
he eventually be a refined quarterback? Maybe? Maybe he's more
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athletic than Russell Wilson. He does have a strong arm,
incredible escapability. He does look slide does look. But does
that matter as much now in the NFL where you
can't hit guys, you can't touch guys. And if he
learned to slide, you know, we talked about this a
little bit last week when I was on TV. Is
that one of the things that Cam Newton trump trouble
he has when sliding is he's so damn big. You know,
he's six ft six, six ft seven. It's hard for
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him to get down to slide. That's just on a
natural thing. For a man that big, it's like, Okay,
he's gonna prove Bill Polly and wrong. I think if
Lamar Jackson is a star in the NFL, he's probably
Gonnamprove thirty two teams wrong because those somebody is going
to draft him in the third, fourth, heck, maybe even
fifth round. Whoever drafts him, they will have passed on
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him a couple of times before they ever draft him.
That's the old We believed in him when no one
else believed in him. We believed him slightly more. Is
the proper is the proper way of putting together the sentence, right,
don't give me this. We believed him when everybody else did.
Because if you did, and he's a quarterback, there's a quarterback,
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then you take him right away. Lamar Jackson completed fifty
seven percent of his passing. And while you may think, hey,
look man, it's college, he's got to throw guys open,
he could be. He's a smaller, more quicker cam Newton.
Cam Newton, who struggles to complete sixty of his passes
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in the pros, completed sixty five point four percent of
his passes and at at at Auburn, Robert Griffin and
I know that Robert Griffin and Cam Newton a lot
of bubble screens. Have you seen Lamar Jackson? Yes, he
throws the ball deep downfield and then he throws a
lot of screens. That's college football. Even Vince Young wildly inaccurate.
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Geno Smith, who are the guys have struggled? Christian Hackenburg
fifty six point one? When you're inaccurate that that that's
the hardest thing to fix. You know, they can tighten
up your your motion, they can, you can't. You can't
fix feet, you can't. It's hard to fix accuracy. So
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I just but more than anything, this is not radio
host guy. This is not even football numbers guy. This
is Bill freaking Polly and going I don't see it.
I don't see it. And clearly he's not the thrower
that other guys are. The accuracy just isn't there. He's
short and a little bit slight. That's his evaluation. My guests,
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we are like, well, no, he's six ft three. Now,
he's listed at six ft three, How tall is he?
In reality? We all want him to be. You know,
I don't know what you want to be. You wanna
be Cam Newton accommodation, Cam Newton and Russell Wilson. Russell
Wilson was a great thrower in college. He only completed
sixty nine percent his passes at nc State in Wisconsin,
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but he threw for and when he played Wisconsin sixtent
when he's at nc State, great thrower of the football.
I mean, look, I watched I watched Trey Young play
last night in college basketball, and I like Trey Young.
I know his dad. I like the kid. I'd like
the kid more than anybody else's like the kid. But
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what happens is he puts up huge numbers to start
the year and everybody completely loses their mind. ESPN has
already handed them the Player of the Year trophy. His
team's lost nine in their last eleven games. He's a
completely ineffective player the defensive end, which is half of
the game, and his lack of shot selection his high
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turnover numbers aren't helping the team, even though his scoring
is what's carried the team. And people want so badly
to identify the next Steph Curry before he becomes Steph
Curry that they're willing to close their eyes and go like,
I don't care about your value how many players you've watched.
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I have my own opinion, and I can back it
up with numbers in college success. Okay, I mean hell
if you even if you go back and look at
at Lamar Jackson's Heisman Trophy year, it's a lot less
impressive the more you look at it. He put up
huge numbers against terrible Charlotte and Syracuse and really a
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one double a program in Marshall. You put up numbers
against bad teams. And then yeah, he demand polished Florida
State with his legs, with his arm. That was a
it was a blow odd game. But you take those
games off, you look at the end of the season
when you played against legit defenses, and he was inaccurate
through interceptions. He wasn't a competent thrower. And he's playing
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for one of the best offensive coaches in college football
in the last twenty five years, and by Petrino, and
by Petrino's personal life might be a mess, he might
kind of be a jerk to people, but he's a
great offensive coach. So if you take all that into consideration,
and then you say, hey, Bill Pollian has forgotten more
about evaluating football players than most of us will ever know?
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You stop questioning the evaluator, like all these stories are
the same. Louisville today in basketball has their banners taken down.
They get n c A that their appeal was was denied,
and so what what do writers and pundans do? They're like, Oh,
this is the dumbest n c A instead of actually
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diving into what does this due to Rick Petino's legacy?
What does this due to Louisville basketball? How do they
react to it? How do they get back to where
they were from it? Well? Will Rick Petino ever coach
instead of the people who are actually responsible for what
took place catching any sort of heat. Today is to
day to which the n c A somehow is under
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fire because their penalties that they that they levied were upheld.
Instead of trying to pick apart Lamar Jackson and whether
or not he can refine himself and become a competent
NFL thrower and underneath routes obviously throws up. He can
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throw the ball far, but just not accurately? Can he
be a starting quarterback in the national Instead of worrying
about that, we're calling out Bill Pollying and some are
hinting that well, maybe it's race at play here. That's
the only reason you want to switch him positions, Like, no,
it's not. Do you want to switch him positions because
you think he's a really talented athlete who just might
not be a quarterback in the NFL. It's really hard
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to make it. But we don't do that. Will we
blame the messenger. We don't try and find out why
there was the message. Be sure to catch live editions
of The Doug gott Leaps Show weekdays at three pm
Eastern noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I
Heart Radio app. Tanking Club is like fight club. You're
not supposed to talk about fight club, whether it exists
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or doesn't exist. And and uh here Mark Cuban keeps
talking about fight club. I would disagree with Chris Broussard
in that I don't think this is an excuse. I
think what he said was last year when they got
to about mid season. He and I talked about this
on my show, granted different network, but we and he
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admitted to it several times over like, look, you know
you want to call playing young players, fine, that that's
what Rick Carlisle says. We we like to play our
young players and get them experience. Everybody knows that's code
for for tanking. For tanking, and um, they have not
yet fixed, and I'm not sure you can fix based
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upon having an NBA draft, the idea that if you
lose more games, you're going to get a better pick,
so you're better off losing than you are competing. That
they're not the only ones doing this, And if anything,
the Astros are a team that more even more than
the Philadelphia seventies Sixers obviously tanked. Everybody knew it. They
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were terrible, stripped down payroll um even this year. What
they're doing, you know, there's as as bad as that is,
there's also kind of fudging the salary cap deal, right,
which is what the Lakers are doing and the Sixers
are doing, whethery're overpaying one player on short term deals
Contavious co will Pope for the Lakers, JJ Reddick for
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the seventies Sixers, in effort to uh per um not
persevered to preserve preserve that preserve a huge huge amount
of the allery cap for a max player the following
off season. But even that's kind of disingenuous to the rules.
That's you guess understand what I'm saying, like, like part
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of the salary cap is there's a minimum and a max.
There's a floor and a ceiling, and they got to
get above that floor. So in order to do so,
they sign a guy to a big one year deal,
which is no it's like the new way of doing
of taking on a contract where a guy won't like
lull Dank's not playing for the Lakers. So at some
point the officelys they'll try and trade lull Dank's contract,
knowing that he's never going to probably never going to
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play in the NBA again. Otherwise they would have traded him.
But he has such a bad contract, they're gonna they
they have two choices either or three choices. Pay him
out right away, but that doesn't help you against the
salary cap, and it's a huge amount of money. The
other one is the smooth contract, that's the paid over
three years, or to trade him so that somebody else
has that big uh nugget or big nut on their
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contract that they can buy out or they can smooth.
But I think the big thing is that Mark Cuban
is violating the first rule of fight club, the four
first rule of tank club. First rule of tank club
is don't ever talk about tank club. Second rule of
tank club is, don't ever talk about tank club. Fox
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Catch all of our shows at Fox sports radio dot
com and within the I Heart Radio app. The Daytona
winner Austin Dillon, who joins us on the Doug Gotlup
Show on Fox Sports Radio. What's what's that moment like
when you, uh, there's there's a bunch of other I
know in race similarities to winning the race, but you
see the three car, you're standing above your own three car,
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and you're you're seeing the checkers below you, and you
realize kind of all that other stuff that goes wrapped
into it. Well, it's uh, it's mind blowing, man fulfilling.
M I feel like I gave something to all of
our partners down in our It's just a lot of
people have believed in me and and give me this opportunity,
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and just I'm glad to deliver it back to him.
And it's, uh, do you dream about that? And then
when it happens, it's like, oh my gosh, what do
I do next? It's it's crazy, all right? So what
did you do next. I just celebrated with my guys. Man,
we took pictures all that long and been doing media
all day to day in New York Video. I get
to go back to the shop for the first time
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tomorrow and uh, that's that's really where you get to
go and hang out with your guys and and talk
to him and tell him thank you for all the
hard workings they put it in the offseason. Of course,
our CRS Richard Children's Racing Richard Children just happens to
your grandpa's well. And um, you know your dad, Mike
Dylan is the general manager of our cr He's he's
a former driver. What did he say to you? Oh,
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he was talking to my dad is a very emotional
person and uh he shall bringing back there, Uh in
the grass with me. He grabbed me and gave me
a hug, and um, it's cool just seeing the smile
on his face. And uh, I got to give my
dad a day if I've learned trophy, Yeah, it's pretty cool.
I mean, like, look and for people who haven't heard
your story. Austin Dillon joining us on the Doug Gallup
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Show one of the the Daytona five d of course you
got the poll back in I think fourteen you got
the poll. Um, but you know, look, you at your
Rookie of the Year in the Truck Series, the Nationwide Series,
even go back to when you're growing up you played
in the Little League World Series. Like, You've had a
pretty successful sporting life, no matter, no matter what you've done. Uh,
this almost feels like when you said what to do next?
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Like this is like a crowny achieving you're supposed tour,
as supposed tour at the end of your career. You're
only twenty seven right this, but considering all the other
things you've done, this has to be the best. Now.
Oh man, it's uh, it's a great feeling. And um,
I still want to coomplish one where I want to
win a championship and be the first guy to win
all three champions the NASCAR. I think that would be
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oh man, that would I don't know what I want
to after that, but sure you find something like seven
times champion Jimmy Johnson, hungry for any kind of win.
He can it. So you look up the guys like that,
then just keep pushing for more. How how has it changed?
I look, I will be dead honest with you. I
don't watch every week, Okay, I watched. I like to
watch the big races. I like under the lights at Bristol.
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I like some of the big races like this one
obviously when you're raced up in India as well, that's
that's a great one with a brickyard. Uh in the brickyard.
But um, like, I'm even confused by the scoring because
I'm like, wait, it's not just about who wins and
where you finished because there's different segments to the race.
How much does that play into how you drive throughout
the day? Well, Um, each race kind of has a
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different field to it. Speedway races, you gotta get to
the end of them to have a chance to win them,
which is um just key. And we played our race
kind of like that. You know, we wanted to be
there at the end to have a chance to win
the game. It's um, there's nothing there's nothing like having
your plan come together and work out and everything just
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played out perfectly for us Sunday. How sitting in the
three car on the seventeenth anniversary is death, the twentieth
anniversary of the wind, do you feel any of that?
Are you two locked in on the race. Oh you
always feel that, you know, it's it's what's great about
having a number that has so much history behind it.
And yes, there's pressure, wasn't it? But when when you
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come to realize that what you can accomplish when you
do win made a lot of people happy someday, a
lot of three fans out there and they get to
see their favorite number back in the Jillian. Alright, so
do you did you already get the tattoo, the champ
tattoo on your butt? Yeah, it's there, man, It's it's
sore right now. I'm tired of sitting on it. So
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is that your first tattoo you've you've ever gotten? Well?
I have another one actually on my other butt cheek
and that was another story. But uh so I have
to and one the champion and the other one is
a group of my buddies and colleach O the wolf back.
There's about now there's about twenty of us that actually
have the same tattoo on our uh left cheek. Well,
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that's a hell of a wolf pack. Twenty people that
that is a that is a dangerous wolfpack. Did you
get that one in Vegas? Did you get that one
in Vegas. I actually know we we got him at
the same tattoo parlor in Daytona. That's why we went back, Um,
some of the guys that got their original and we're
all my team actually and like we're going back to
the tattoo parlor and uh, we went and got it done.
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How's Whitney feel about this? No, Whitney's farn with it's
she supports me in about everything I do and she
I tried to talk her into it, but she said
he can't put a bump or sticker anything. Her quote.
That is a great line, man, She's that that's really
really Now I've heard that line before, but if she
came up with the line immediately after you said it,
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that's a really good line. Dude. That obviously she's already
a keeper, but if you didn't know she is in
fact a keeper after that line. Yeah, Whitney is very witty.
She's uh, she keeps up with her game. Austin Dillon
joining us, if anybody like people who know the tond
your car now goes in the museum, So now do
you And then kind of a loss, like what I
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like that car? Do you do you stick that actual
car or do you have like a demo car you
put in the museum, See that that baby goes in
the museum and you know it will just be uh,
they'll have a shelf life now it stays and um,
that will always be remembered and never never driven again,
which is cool, and you like you like the ones
like in my car and my six on a car
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they'll never drive again. Um, there's a lot of that's
that's very special, all right, Erica Almarola. Obviously you end
up bumping him, he spins out. That's on the last lap.
Now that you've had to see it chanced to breathe
and think about it, how do you reflect upon on
on spinning on on pushing him and spinning him out
and end up winning checkers because of it? Well, you know,
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when um, I had to push from Dary lots back,
I had to use it and I had a lot
of momentum catching him. He tried to block it low
and the next thing is I can't lift at that
point when when you get blocked. And his uh interview
affords were he was very cool about everything, and I
expect the same thing from him, you know, in the
same situation. And I'm blocking and you know, I'll probably
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get dumped, and um, it's a part of it. But
you have the opportunity for all those partners and the
team that put all this effort, and you've got to
do what it takes to win. And and I just
had to stay the gas. If I lift there, I
probably get wrecked anyway. So, uh, it's it's Daytona man,
and speedway racing is different than any other reason we do. Yeah,
it's pretty special to see Chevy get the win and
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your dad team get to win in our cr get
to win. Hey, listen, man, congrats and enjoy the spoils
of the victory. At some point, I'm sure you'll get
off this hamster wheel of of media tour and get
some rest and get ready for for the next time
you get behind the wheel. Appreciate you joining us on
Fox Sports Radio. Yeah, thanks man, And hey, NASCAR has
got a lot of good stuff going on right now.
If you are looking for drivers, we've got a lot
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of youth. Young guys out there are ticking. But that's
going to see where our sports at a great time.
All right, It's Austin Dylan, a proud member of the
wolf Pack. Don't believe me, he's got it emblazoned on
his on his butt cheek. Thanks so much, Austin appreciated.
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug gott
Leap Show weekdays at three pm Easter noon Pacific on
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Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. I
understand that we can't unsee a Final four. I joke
about it that, okay, so am I supposed to now
forget that they missed the call when they call a
foul and Trey Burke, who had an incredible block that
was called a foul is kind of a game changing call.
Do what do I forget that in Michigan doesn't now
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win a title? Um curious is that Michigan obviously now
plays in the National Championship game that never happened, as
opposed to the two Final four banners from the Fab
five which were taken down, which also never happens. So
there is a little bit of what goes around comes
around type of deal. I they called the time out
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in you know, Chris Webber called the time out against
North Carolina they didn't have, but that actually didn't take
place because Michigan had that Final four banner taken down
and they uh A, I thought a blown call goes
against them, which they committed no n c A violations
under John b. Line. But they lose the game in
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that way. I guess. Obviously they didn't win either one.
But my bigger point is this with with Louisville, it
sounds great to be upset at taking down a banner.
I was there, I watched. I know I was there
because I actually worked the game for CBS. I was
ten yards off the court, sitting next to Charles Barkley
and Kenny Smith and Greg Anthony and Greg Gumble halftime
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for after the game. Okay, I was there. I know
it took place. There's a this is a symbolic gesture.
Symbolic gesture, that's all it is. And while you say
to yourself, like, why would you do it? It's so dumb,
like okay, so what what punishment would you offer up?
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That's better they find the school. Okay, they took themselves
out of the n c A tournament for a year,
which oh yeah, by the way, while it probably would
have been done anyway, remember that was what Louisville did
at the time in order to try and save the
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program and save themselves like that was Louisville put themselves
on a year probation from the n c A tournament.
Louisville did, the n c A did not, And the
n c A saw what they did and said, that's good.
We got a little bit more for you. We're gonna
take down your band and we're gonna find you. We're
gonna do this, We're gonna do that. But Louisville is
one that took themselves out of the tournament a couple
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of years ago. That was Rick Petino trying to save
his job, save his program more so than Rick Pettino,
knowing that the n c was gonna take them out
of the n c A tournament. You offered that thing up.
I just don't know. You're talking about an impossible job
for the n c A Committee of Infractions. Impossible job.
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And while yeah, North Carolina got away with taking the
these ghost courses because it was offered to all students,
not just student athletes, even though all but one player
on one of their national championship teams. I think it's
the two thousand five National Change was an African American
studies major, Like, come on, man, like, what are we doing?
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We don't realize that this is really helping the basketball
program keep everybody eligible. And in North Carolina didn't know
this was going on. Why did they take players out
of the African American Studies program? They did because they
knew something was up with it, whether they knew that
they were complete no show forest courses or they just
thought it was way too easy to for North Carolina.
They knew something was up, but the idea that North
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Carolina got away with it and Louisville did not. And
somehow that makes the system a bunk system. Hey, have
you paid attention to the the justice system and our
own justice system? People walk that are guilty. O J.
Simpson walked when he was guilty. Now they got O. J.
Simpson in jail until recently on a technicality they out
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camponed al Capone, getting him on racketeering and tax evasion charges.
And that's essentially what they're doing to Louisville. Were the
crimes that were committed so agreed? Just did they change
massively change grades? Now? Did they pay hundreds of thousands
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in this particular case, did they pay hundreds of thousands
of dollars to a student athlete order to get them
to attend in this particular case. This is not the
most recent FBI investigation, and uh, Louis will still got
got some got some explaining to do when that a
case occurs before the Committee of Interractions. But they had
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hookers in the door ORMs recruiting players, and the the
ladies of the night, the professionals, if you will, were
being paid compensated by one of these staff members. Former
player at Louisville. You know, like, man, I don't like
this punishment, Like, all right, tell me a better punishment.
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If you punish the team now and you stay there
the n A term for two years, you're punishing players
have nothing to do with it. Rick Patino's already lost
his job, granted for something else, but he's already lost
his job. The staff member in question wasn't there, and
he already has a show cause. But you you got
to make a point to say this isn't okay. So
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I'm not sitting here defending everything the n c A does.
And there's a there's an amount of hypocrisy to a
lot of the rulings the n c has. But like,
I just don't understand why we have a tendency to
comment negatively on the punishment instead of commenting negatively on
the actual story and the crimes that were committing. Fox
(29:00):
Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation.
Catch all of our shows at Fox sports Radio dot
com and within the I Heart Radio app. Dean and
Jeremiah joins us. He's got a great podcast on the
NFL network he and Bucky Brooks is called Move the Sticks,
um DJ. I've been talking about Lamar Jackson a good
amount today and I must be missing something, Like, you know,
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college success is not necessarily a prerequisite for NFL success,
but college inaccuracy is a pre record is a good
uh sign of somebody that's going to be inaccurate at
the NFL level. What's your assessment of Lamar Jackson and
the viability as an NFL story and starting quarterback. Well,
I think it's it's it's kind of a complicated discussion
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in that I think he has the the on talent
to make every throw I've seen him throw when out
with velossity. I've seen him throw with touch at times.
Now he's wildly inconsistent, and the reason for that, in
my opinion, is unticle. He's really really narrow, uh in
his base. He's a flipper. He's not a thrower, so
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he doesn't really use any of his lower body. So
I actually think there's he's one of the few I
think has a chance to get better in that area
with some mechanical fixes. And you know, look when you're
great in the wide receiver dug and he has drops.
If you can't just talk about the drops, you have
to say, okay, now does he make any special catches
that I can kind of offset some of these drops?
And okay, you have to. You would live with some
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of the inaccuracies which you wouldn't normally live with with
other quarterbacks because of the freaky stuff he can do athletically,
um to try and make up for some of that.
But he is he ever gonna be a sixty guy
at the next level. I don't think so. But I
think there's there's a shorager quarterbacks and somebody's gonna try
and get creative and try and craft something around what
he can do. Okay, So do you do is that
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first day? Is that first he's the first round guy?
Then I think he's gonna go on the top forty picks.
I really do. And you know whether that's a late
first round pick or whether that's an early second round pick.
I just think there's such a shortage at the position.
And I think with what Houston did last year in
terms of just turning that offense into what basically was
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the Clemson offense, that told departure from everything that that
Bill O'Brien has ever done. I think was a little
bit of a blueprint for teams to say, Okay, we
can try and craft this thing. Now. The durability to
me would be, you know something, Okay, can you can
you operate like that and physically hold up That will
be something that will have to be answered that. That's
that's my exact question to you, because when I look
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at I was like, look, that sounds really really good
until I dig in and understand that not only do
you worry about durability and taking hits, but like, look
what we were saying, Deshaun Watson, he got hurt, and
I know he had previously her in a c L
but like that's something that that seems to happen more
when you're out of the pocket and when you're in
the pocket. Yeah, I mean Carson got hurt last year.
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You know, Wentz got hurt and some of that is
attributed to being a little bit reckless. So yeah, I
mean that's that's always going to be a concern and
that's why I still when you're starting through all these quarterbacks, Um,
I think one of the aspects you have to talk
about is not only our ability, but durability and then
also projecting durability going forward. And that to me is yeah,
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that's But to me, it's another feather in in uh
in Sam Donald's cap and that he's built. He's a
little bit sturdier. He could take it. And he's even
though it's only two years, he's taking a lot of
hits and he gets up from every one of them. Um,
what what about Baker Mayfield? What are people? Where are
we on the Baker Mayfield discussion as of now? I
think you know you talked to teams during draft meetings
(32:38):
right now, and um, I think there's no middle ground
on Baker Maysfield. People are buying what he's selling, or
there's people that aren't buying it. There's just you know,
there's there's nobody that's in between. UM. I love personally
and we've talked about it. I love the stuff that
he does between the lines, playing the game and uh
in the accuracy and being able to do a lot
(33:00):
of special things. But I think it's a it's an
adult position, it's a mature position, and that's something that
I still worries me a little bit. Even even just
the stuff that was talking about technas the other day. Dude,
just just just be quiet, man. There's there's times to
just lay low and let your actions speak for you.
The way I talked about on the podcast of that
(33:21):
kept trying to think of the right way to phrase it, Doug,
trying to find the right words for it. In leaders
emotion is important. I like emotion and energy. Emotion is
a big part of that. But when it comes down
to it, I'll take devotion over emotion. Show me what
you're doing, don't tell me what you're doing. Jenna Jeremiah
from the NFL Network joining us on the Doug Otlib
Show on Fox Sports Radio. Let's get the guys in
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the league. There's talk of the Jets going, hey, we'll
put sixty million dollars. We'll we'll find a way to
create a thing, a bunch of signing bonus money, roster
bonus money, so that it's a completely front loaded deal.
If you're Kirk Cousins, how pealing is that? Not very
I don't know how far be it from me to
say tell somebody to take less money. You know, I
(34:07):
get get get what you can get. But if you
told me that I could go to Minnesota at twenty
seven million dollars a year, or I could go to
the Jets at thirty two million dollars a year, I know,
five million dollars a years a lot of money, But
I think I'd rather go try and win Super Bowls
with the Minnesota and and probably you know, make some
of that five million back off the field because you're
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on a team that's winning in a in a same
as fortunate companies as well as there is in New York.
So I don't know I'd be a lot more tempted
by one of those options. Supposed to go in to
the Jets, I think they're a long way away. Who
of the Vikings quarterbacks appeals to you? Uh? Which one
of their current Yes? I mean so, I gosh's just
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because you don't know what Teddy's health, you don't know
what Bradford's health. I go back to availability being important.
I don't know that I pay case Keenum the franchise
number that they're talking about, and I'm not super bullish
on him long term, but I know he's gonna he's
gonna trot out there, you know, and I've got a
chance to have a functional starter. Um. I think of
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those three that that would probably be where I lean
right now. Although I think Teddy Um has the most upside,
I just don't know where he's at health wise. That's
the voice of Danny Jeremiah from the NFL Network. He's
joining us on the Doug Gottlib Show here on Fox
Sports Radio. UM Levy on Bell and the discussion over
his contract. If you're in that room, you're deciding, how
(35:33):
do you form, Like, what's your opinion on what you
do if you're the Steelers long term? On Levian, that's
a tough one. He is a great, great player and
he kind of makes that thing though. I would just
be I think I would be cautious about about doing
a long term deal at that position right now. I
just would I I look at how cheaply the uh
the the Phodelphia Eagles acquired their running back talent in
(35:57):
the in three backs that that collectively we're good enough
for them to win a championship that cost him nothing.
They got j J. I for nothing, They got Garrett
Blunt for nothing. They didn't have to spend a draft
pick on core Corey Clement. So I don't know, it's
just what the way the league is right now. I
don't know that I would go on and put put
all that cash out there in a long term deal
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and running back. I just wouldn't do it. I wouldn't either.
I wouldn't either. But but um, they feel like they
already have him, and their window is you know, does
not appear to be that open for that much longer.
And can you put something together short term in order
to sign him? Um, but you know, you know it
does go counter to what so many others have done
(36:38):
in the National Football League, paying running backs nothing, getting
a bunch of them. One goes down, you replace him,
and and look no further than the playoffs, not just
the Eagles from Look what the Patriots have done four years.
I'm a heck, even look at what this even look
what the Saints have done, right, I mean, like, um,
the big name running back they they they sent away
and Alvin Camar is very versatile, but the third round pick,
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and they got a ton of value out of him. Yeah. Yeah,
And I look, I see the you know, the other
side that I've see the Todd Gurleys and the Zeke
Elliott's and left Bells and the impact they've had. Um.
But again I think, I don't know, I'm just beginning
to lean more towards Hey, get him, get him, get him.
As rookies, you know, as bad as it sounds, run
them to the wheels fall off, and then let somebody
else pay them and go get Yeah. What what is
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the most fast outside of quarterback? What's the most fascinating
position in the upcoming draft? Well, I mean running back
is a good one because we've got a lot of
depth there. Um, it's pretty interesting. I think the corner
group is while it might lack to the you know,
Jalen Ramsey type guy, I think there's a lot of
talent and depth maybe you know, for that first two rounds.
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I think you could see you know, seven or eight
of those guys come off in the first two rounds.
I think that's a really good group. I don't think
it's as deep as last year's was in terms of
getting many guys but there's an intriguing list of names there.
I mean, it's chocks. Josh Jackson if he runs well
from from Iowa, He's got the best ball skills I've
seen it a long time because he's a great player.
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Denzel Ward from Ohio State's really really good. Jerry Alexander
uh from the One, really really good. So it's it's
a it's a good group of guys up there. You
mentioned running back, say Kwan Barkley is is on the
top of everybody's board. You just said, you're kind of
you've moved kind of off of that idea of a
premier running back. What is his value in comparison to
the others? Well, I think he's the best one. I
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think he's the best football player in the entire draft.
I really do. And that's where I kind of you know,
it sound like you're almost talking about of both sides
of your mouth, But I'm okay, if you want to
take him and just roll with him for the you know,
to get that first contract five years and just get
everything you can, squeeze everything you can out of him
for those five years, I think he's incredibly valuable there. Um,
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But um, you know where is he gonna go. I
think teams are split on that in terms of how
how you take those guys. I could see him, you know,
going in anywhere in the and the too any of
those any of those picks. I'd be shocked if he
fell out of the top five, even with the position
being where it is today. I just think the guy
is too good. Uh. The Eagles decide that their offensive
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coordinator is gonna be Mike grow Now like Doug Peterson
still gonna call the plays. They're still gonna have Deuce Daley.
But they did lose. They did lose the other two
voices kind of in the room, Joe, Uh, I was
it de Filippo, John Felippo. Yeah, he went to the
Minnesota Vikings, and of course we know what happened with
Frank Reich. What what does this due to change the
Eagles offense? Um? Look, I just knowing all those guys
(39:35):
over there, I was there when Deuce was there. Deuce
is a great guy and he's got a lot of great,
great ideas in the run games. So keeping him there
to keep the run game stabilized and Doug as the
play caller, I don't think you're gonna see a whole
lot change there. Coach grow has a great reputation on
the league. Um, So, look, you're gonna lose quality people.
But that's why, uh you know, that's that's why sustained success. Um,
(39:59):
you gotta have a head coach that can not only
have identify good coaches, but recruiting to be on the
staff and continue to develop some when they're there. So
I like the fact that guys are both inside the
building and getting promotions and they know the lay of
the land, they know their personnel. Are you packing right now?
What are you doing that all of a sudden At
times your voice appears to trail off you guys can
hear that too, right, that's not just me. Are you
(40:21):
packing while you're walking around your your house or something? Um,
it is like freezing in my house right now. So
I'm I'm walking around in my in my master bedroom.
It's not like it's like I'm doing laps. It's not
that big of a house, dougs. But I am keeping
I am keeping moving to just to just stay warm.
I mean, we get out in California. It was just
thirty two degrees when I got my car this morning. Yeah,
(40:41):
it was like it's so funny. How and that's exactly
thing happened to me this morning. We my my daughter
said something this morning. They're off on they have ski
week vacation. Man, this is the tough rugged uh Orange
County Education, southern California. Yeah, they're offer ski weeks. I
got my daughters and when we hung out this morning,
and and somebody said to us, sale with thirty one degrees.
(41:03):
When but when it's seventy every day and it's thirty one,
you're like, man, that is cold, as opposed to when
it's thirty one every day and it's twenty You're like, yeah,
it's cool, but it's you know, it doesn't feel that bad.
I think. I think it's like it's like it's not
even sweater weather back east, but it is. It is
heavy jacket weather up here. Yes, it's fifty degrees today
in southern California. And if you were in the Midwest,
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people would have t shirts on, tank tops on. They'd
be outside celebrating. Meanwhile, there are women in the west
West l are wearing fur coats. But and then and
look and uh and doing what's best for your radio show,
I've sent I'm sitting down and I'm just sitting on
my hands trying to keep my hands warm. So your
your segment is up. You you you did, in fact
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make it through, make it through to the finish line.
Daniel JEREMYA. Check out the podcast. It's called Move the Sticks.
We're getting closer and closer to the draft, combine closer
and closer to the draft itself, which of course he
used to be part of with the Ravens, with the
Eagles and uh and and basically does as good a
job as anybody in letting us be in the know
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(01:06):
the topic that I want to start with. That's Lamar Jackson.
So I'm always I always laugh at this stuff. People
are questioning Bill Pollian because he said that Lamar Jackson
he doesn't view as a top caliber starting quarterback prospect
(01:29):
in the upcoming draft because and music. If if I
get this wrong, feel free to correct me. He is short,
a little slight, and not as accurate um as some
of the other prospects. Right that that's basically the gist
of what he's saying. And so, um, I think this
(01:49):
is funny. It's one thing for me to say he's short, slight,
and not as accurate. It's it's one thing for calling
cow hurt to say he's short. He's like and And
it's important to note that even scouts and general managers
and even the best general managers of all time will
make mistakes and will think somebody like that Tom Brady.
(02:12):
We can say what we want about Tom Brady, but
every team in the league, include the New England Patriots,
had five rounds to draft him. So we can say
that the Patriots are geniuses because they found Tom Brady,
but they passed on him five other times in the
exact same draft. Um, so people do miss on things,
and so I'm not saying that everything Bill Pollyan says,
(02:35):
every evaluation he has is accurate. But we do know
who Bill Pollyan is correct, right, Like, Hey, remember when
the Buffalo Bills went to four straight Super Bowls? Who
is their general manager? And the Indianpoplis Colts and how
they were, you know, always competitive with Peyton Manning and
(02:55):
boy they had uh you know so many Edgren, James,
Reggie Wayne. Uh yeah, I mean like you named the
star Bob Sanders, you named the star player that they
have in Indianapolis, Like who is there? Germans? Like Bill Polian,
Like it's Bill freaking Pollian. So it's one thing for
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said radio host to say, like, man, he's a fifties
fifty six completion guy in college. Every time he faces
an elite level defense, he looks like a guy who
it's a shot where he throws close to a guy.
He does look smaller than listed at six ft three,
which is probably going to come out in the combine.
He is fairly slightly built, a lot like Teddy Bridgewater,
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whose knee did just blow into a million pieces h
two years ago. It is does feel like a problem.
He is a guy that people are going to consider
having him switch positions, and we make it about a
million different things other than what it should be. Here
is one of the best evaluators of football talent in
the history of the sport, giving you his honest evaluation,
(04:00):
and you make it about I don't know what, well,
you're not sure. How do you know that he's accurate?
It's that how do you know that he actually has
numbers in data to support him. You ask any of
these NFL guys and they'll tell you that accuracy might
be the most important aspect of uh of the NFL,
(04:24):
of playing quarterback in the nash Football League. Sure, you've
gotta be able to read a defense. You have to
have some intangible qualities in terms of leadership as well.
And Lamar Jackson is a great, not good, great athlete.
But like, I don't really understand how all of a
sudden you have these Twitter tough guys talking about Lamar
Jackson like he's some refined prospect I told you when
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he came out, Like I don't understand why he's coming out.
He still needs time to work and become more accurate.
So forgive me if just because he won a bunch
of college awards and you think that Bill Pollian's lost
his mind, I sit and go like, I don't know.
Bill Polly probably evaluated Jim Kelly, probably evaluated Peyton Manning.
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He's probably evaluated so many stars and maybe he misses
on this one. But I just I failed to see
where the convert where no one I know in football
thinks Lamar Jackson is an elite level prospect. Now could
he eventually be a refined quarterback? Maybe? Maybe he's more
(05:28):
athletic than Russell Wilson. He does have a strong arm,
incredible escapability. He does look slide does look. But does
that matter as much now in the NFL where you
can't hit guys, you can't touch guys. And if he
learned to slide, you know, we talked about this a
little bit last week when I was on TV. Is
that one of the things that Cam Newton trump trouble
he has when sliding is he's so damn big. You know,
he's six ft six, six ft seven. It's hard for
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him to get down to slide. That's just on a
natural thing. For a man that big, it's like, Okay,
he's gonna prove Bill Polly and wrong. I think if
Lamar Jackson is a star in the NFL, he's probably
Gonnamprove thirty two teams wrong because those somebody is going
to draft him in the third, fourth, heck, maybe even
fifth round. Whoever drafts him, they will have passed on
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him a couple of times before they ever draft him.
That's the old We believed in him when no one
else believed in him. We believed him slightly more. Is
the proper is the proper way of putting together the sentence, right,
don't give me this. We believed him when everybody else did.
Because if you did, and he's a quarterback, there's a quarterback,
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then you take him right away. Lamar Jackson completed fifty
seven percent of his passing. And while you may think, hey,
look man, it's college, he's got to throw guys open,
he could be. He's a smaller, more quicker cam Newton.
Cam Newton, who struggles to complete sixty of his passes
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in the pros, completed sixty five point four percent of
his passes and at at at Auburn, Robert Griffin and
I know that Robert Griffin and Cam Newton a lot
of bubble screens. Have you seen Lamar Jackson? Yes, he
throws the ball deep downfield and then he throws a
lot of screens. That's college football. Even Vince Young wildly inaccurate.
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Geno Smith, who are the guys have struggled? Christian Hackenburg
fifty six point one? When you're inaccurate that that that's
the hardest thing to fix. You know, they can tighten
up your your motion, they can, you can't. You can't
fix feet, you can't. It's hard to fix accuracy. So
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I just but more than anything, this is not radio
host guy. This is not even football numbers guy. This
is Bill freaking Polly and going I don't see it.
I don't see it. And clearly he's not the thrower
that other guys are. The accuracy just isn't there. He's
short and a little bit slight. That's his evaluation. My guests,
(08:02):
we are like, well, no, he's six ft three. Now,
he's listed at six ft three, How tall is he?
In reality? We all want him to be. You know,
I don't know what you want to be. You wanna
be Cam Newton accommodation, Cam Newton and Russell Wilson. Russell
Wilson was a great thrower in college. He only completed
sixty nine percent his passes at nc State in Wisconsin,
(08:23):
but he threw for and when he played Wisconsin sixtent
when he's at nc State, great thrower of the football.
I mean, look, I watched I watched Trey Young play
last night in college basketball, and I like Trey Young.
I know his dad. I like the kid. I'd like
the kid more than anybody else's like the kid. But
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what happens is he puts up huge numbers to start
the year and everybody completely loses their mind. ESPN has
already handed them the Player of the Year trophy. His
team's lost nine in their last eleven games. He's a
completely ineffective player the defensive end, which is half of
the game, and his lack of shot selection his high
(09:07):
turnover numbers aren't helping the team, even though his scoring
is what's carried the team. And people want so badly
to identify the next Steph Curry before he becomes Steph
Curry that they're willing to close their eyes and go like,
I don't care about your value how many players you've watched.
(09:32):
I have my own opinion, and I can back it
up with numbers in college success. Okay, I mean hell
if you even if you go back and look at
at Lamar Jackson's Heisman Trophy year, it's a lot less
impressive the more you look at it. He put up
huge numbers against terrible Charlotte and Syracuse and really a
(09:53):
one double a program in Marshall. You put up numbers
against bad teams. And then yeah, he demand polished Florida
State with his legs, with his arm. That was a
it was a blow odd game. But you take those
games off, you look at the end of the season
when you played against legit defenses, and he was inaccurate
through interceptions. He wasn't a competent thrower. And he's playing
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for one of the best offensive coaches in college football
in the last twenty five years, and by Petrino, and
by Petrino's personal life might be a mess, he might
kind of be a jerk to people, but he's a
great offensive coach. So if you take all that into consideration,
and then you say, hey, Bill Pollian has forgotten more
about evaluating football players than most of us will ever know?
(10:40):
You stop questioning the evaluator, like all these stories are
the same. Louisville today in basketball has their banners taken down.
They get n c A that their appeal was was denied,
and so what what do writers and pundans do? They're like, Oh,
this is the dumbest n c A instead of actually
(11:02):
diving into what does this due to Rick Petino's legacy?
What does this due to Louisville basketball? How do they
react to it? How do they get back to where
they were from it? Well? Will Rick Petino ever coach
instead of the people who are actually responsible for what
took place catching any sort of heat. Today is to
day to which the n c A somehow is under
(11:23):
fire because their penalties that they that they levied were upheld.
Instead of trying to pick apart Lamar Jackson and whether
or not he can refine himself and become a competent
NFL thrower and underneath routes obviously throws up. He can
(11:43):
throw the ball far, but just not accurately? Can he
be a starting quarterback in the national Instead of worrying
about that, we're calling out Bill Pollying and some are
hinting that well, maybe it's race at play here. That's
the only reason you want to switch him positions, Like, no,
it's not. Do you want to switch him positions because
you think he's a really talented athlete who just might
not be a quarterback in the NFL. It's really hard
(12:05):
to make it. But we don't do that. Will we
blame the messenger. We don't try and find out why
there was the message. Be sure to catch live editions
of The Doug gott Leaps Show weekdays at three pm
Eastern noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I
Heart Radio app. Tanking Club is like fight club. You're
not supposed to talk about fight club, whether it exists
(12:27):
or doesn't exist. And and uh here Mark Cuban keeps
talking about fight club. I would disagree with Chris Broussard
in that I don't think this is an excuse. I
think what he said was last year when they got
to about mid season. He and I talked about this
on my show, granted different network, but we and he
(12:47):
admitted to it several times over like, look, you know
you want to call playing young players, fine, that that's
what Rick Carlisle says. We we like to play our
young players and get them experience. Everybody knows that's code
for for tanking. For tanking, and um, they have not
yet fixed, and I'm not sure you can fix based
(13:08):
upon having an NBA draft, the idea that if you
lose more games, you're going to get a better pick,
so you're better off losing than you are competing. That
they're not the only ones doing this, And if anything,
the Astros are a team that more even more than
the Philadelphia seventies Sixers obviously tanked. Everybody knew it. They
(13:28):
were terrible, stripped down payroll um even this year. What
they're doing, you know, there's as as bad as that is,
there's also kind of fudging the salary cap deal, right,
which is what the Lakers are doing and the Sixers
are doing, whethery're overpaying one player on short term deals
Contavious co will Pope for the Lakers, JJ Reddick for
(13:49):
the seventies Sixers, in effort to uh per um not
persevered to preserve preserve that preserve a huge huge amount
of the allery cap for a max player the following
off season. But even that's kind of disingenuous to the rules.
That's you guess understand what I'm saying, like, like part
(14:09):
of the salary cap is there's a minimum and a max.
There's a floor and a ceiling, and they got to
get above that floor. So in order to do so,
they sign a guy to a big one year deal,
which is no it's like the new way of doing
of taking on a contract where a guy won't like
lull Dank's not playing for the Lakers. So at some
point the officelys they'll try and trade lull Dank's contract,
knowing that he's never going to probably never going to
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play in the NBA again. Otherwise they would have traded him.
But he has such a bad contract, they're gonna they
they have two choices either or three choices. Pay him
out right away, but that doesn't help you against the
salary cap, and it's a huge amount of money. The
other one is the smooth contract, that's the paid over
three years, or to trade him so that somebody else
has that big uh nugget or big nut on their
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contract that they can buy out or they can smooth.
But I think the big thing is that Mark Cuban
is violating the first rule of fight club, the four
first rule of tank club. First rule of tank club
is don't ever talk about tank club. Second rule of
tank club is, don't ever talk about tank club. Fox
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Catch all of our shows at Fox sports radio dot
com and within the I Heart Radio app. The Daytona
winner Austin Dillon, who joins us on the Doug Gotlup
Show on Fox Sports Radio. What's what's that moment like
when you, uh, there's there's a bunch of other I
know in race similarities to winning the race, but you
see the three car, you're standing above your own three car,
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and you're you're seeing the checkers below you, and you
realize kind of all that other stuff that goes wrapped
into it. Well, it's uh, it's mind blowing, man fulfilling.
M I feel like I gave something to all of
our partners down in our It's just a lot of
people have believed in me and and give me this opportunity,
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and just I'm glad to deliver it back to him.
And it's, uh, do you dream about that? And then
when it happens, it's like, oh my gosh, what do
I do next? It's it's crazy, all right? So what
did you do next. I just celebrated with my guys. Man,
we took pictures all that long and been doing media
all day to day in New York Video. I get
to go back to the shop for the first time
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tomorrow and uh, that's that's really where you get to
go and hang out with your guys and and talk
to him and tell him thank you for all the
hard workings they put it in the offseason. Of course,
our CRS Richard Children's Racing Richard Children just happens to
your grandpa's well. And um, you know your dad, Mike
Dylan is the general manager of our cr He's he's
a former driver. What did he say to you? Oh,
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he was talking to my dad is a very emotional
person and uh he shall bringing back there, Uh in
the grass with me. He grabbed me and gave me
a hug, and um, it's cool just seeing the smile
on his face. And uh, I got to give my
dad a day if I've learned trophy, Yeah, it's pretty cool.
I mean, like, look and for people who haven't heard
your story. Austin Dillon joining us on the Doug Gallup
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Show one of the the Daytona five d of course you
got the poll back in I think fourteen you got
the poll. Um, but you know, look, you at your
Rookie of the Year in the Truck Series, the Nationwide Series,
even go back to when you're growing up you played
in the Little League World Series. Like, You've had a
pretty successful sporting life, no matter, no matter what you've done. Uh,
this almost feels like when you said what to do next?
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Like this is like a crowny achieving you're supposed tour,
as supposed tour at the end of your career. You're
only twenty seven right this, but considering all the other
things you've done, this has to be the best. Now.
Oh man, it's uh, it's a great feeling. And um,
I still want to coomplish one where I want to
win a championship and be the first guy to win
all three champions the NASCAR. I think that would be
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oh man, that would I don't know what I want
to after that, but sure you find something like seven
times champion Jimmy Johnson, hungry for any kind of win.
He can it. So you look up the guys like that,
then just keep pushing for more. How how has it changed?
I look, I will be dead honest with you. I
don't watch every week, Okay, I watched. I like to
watch the big races. I like under the lights at Bristol.
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I like some of the big races like this one
obviously when you're raced up in India as well, that's
that's a great one with a brickyard. Uh in the brickyard.
But um, like, I'm even confused by the scoring because
I'm like, wait, it's not just about who wins and
where you finished because there's different segments to the race.
How much does that play into how you drive throughout
the day? Well, Um, each race kind of has a
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different field to it. Speedway races, you gotta get to
the end of them to have a chance to win them,
which is um just key. And we played our race
kind of like that. You know, we wanted to be
there at the end to have a chance to win
the game. It's um, there's nothing there's nothing like having
your plan come together and work out and everything just
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played out perfectly for us Sunday. How sitting in the
three car on the seventeenth anniversary is death, the twentieth
anniversary of the wind, do you feel any of that?
Are you two locked in on the race. Oh you
always feel that, you know, it's it's what's great about
having a number that has so much history behind it.
And yes, there's pressure, wasn't it? But when when you
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come to realize that what you can accomplish when you
do win made a lot of people happy someday, a
lot of three fans out there and they get to
see their favorite number back in the Jillian. Alright, so
do you did you already get the tattoo, the champ
tattoo on your butt? Yeah, it's there, man, It's it's
sore right now. I'm tired of sitting on it. So
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is that your first tattoo you've you've ever gotten? Well?
I have another one actually on my other butt cheek
and that was another story. But uh so I have
to and one the champion and the other one is
a group of my buddies and colleach O the wolf back.
There's about now there's about twenty of us that actually
have the same tattoo on our uh left cheek. Well,
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that's a hell of a wolf pack. Twenty people that
that is a that is a dangerous wolfpack. Did you
get that one in Vegas? Did you get that one
in Vegas. I actually know we we got him at
the same tattoo parlor in Daytona. That's why we went back, Um,
some of the guys that got their original and we're
all my team actually and like we're going back to
the tattoo parlor and uh, we went and got it done.
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How's Whitney feel about this? No, Whitney's farn with it's
she supports me in about everything I do and she
I tried to talk her into it, but she said
he can't put a bump or sticker anything. Her quote.
That is a great line, man, She's that that's really
really Now I've heard that line before, but if she
came up with the line immediately after you said it,
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that's a really good line. Dude. That obviously she's already
a keeper, but if you didn't know she is in
fact a keeper after that line. Yeah, Whitney is very witty.
She's uh, she keeps up with her game. Austin Dillon
joining us, if anybody like people who know the tond
your car now goes in the museum, So now do
you And then kind of a loss, like what I
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like that car? Do you do you stick that actual
car or do you have like a demo car you
put in the museum, See that that baby goes in
the museum and you know it will just be uh,
they'll have a shelf life now it stays and um,
that will always be remembered and never never driven again,
which is cool, and you like you like the ones
like in my car and my six on a car
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they'll never drive again. Um, there's a lot of that's
that's very special, all right, Erica Almarola. Obviously you end
up bumping him, he spins out. That's on the last lap.
Now that you've had to see it chanced to breathe
and think about it, how do you reflect upon on
on spinning on on pushing him and spinning him out
and end up winning checkers because of it? Well, you know,
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when um, I had to push from Dary lots back,
I had to use it and I had a lot
of momentum catching him. He tried to block it low
and the next thing is I can't lift at that
point when when you get blocked. And his uh interview
affords were he was very cool about everything, and I
expect the same thing from him, you know, in the
same situation. And I'm blocking and you know, I'll probably
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get dumped, and um, it's a part of it. But
you have the opportunity for all those partners and the
team that put all this effort, and you've got to
do what it takes to win. And and I just
had to stay the gas. If I lift there, I
probably get wrecked anyway. So, uh, it's it's Daytona man,
and speedway racing is different than any other reason we do. Yeah,
it's pretty special to see Chevy get the win and
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your dad team get to win in our cr get
to win. Hey, listen, man, congrats and enjoy the spoils
of the victory. At some point, I'm sure you'll get
off this hamster wheel of of media tour and get
some rest and get ready for for the next time
you get behind the wheel. Appreciate you joining us on
Fox Sports Radio. Yeah, thanks man, And hey, NASCAR has
got a lot of good stuff going on right now.
If you are looking for drivers, we've got a lot
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of youth. Young guys out there are ticking. But that's
going to see where our sports at a great time.
All right, It's Austin Dylan, a proud member of the
wolf Pack. Don't believe me, he's got it emblazoned on
his on his butt cheek. Thanks so much, Austin appreciated.
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug gott
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Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. I
understand that we can't unsee a Final four. I joke
about it that, okay, so am I supposed to now
forget that they missed the call when they call a
foul and Trey Burke, who had an incredible block that
was called a foul is kind of a game changing call.
Do what do I forget that in Michigan doesn't now
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win a title? Um curious is that Michigan obviously now
plays in the National Championship game that never happened, as
opposed to the two Final four banners from the Fab
five which were taken down, which also never happens. So
there is a little bit of what goes around comes
around type of deal. I they called the time out
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in you know, Chris Webber called the time out against
North Carolina they didn't have, but that actually didn't take
place because Michigan had that Final four banner taken down
and they uh A, I thought a blown call goes
against them, which they committed no n c A violations
under John b. Line. But they lose the game in
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that way. I guess. Obviously they didn't win either one.
But my bigger point is this with with Louisville, it
sounds great to be upset at taking down a banner.
I was there, I watched. I know I was there
because I actually worked the game for CBS. I was
ten yards off the court, sitting next to Charles Barkley
and Kenny Smith and Greg Anthony and Greg Gumble halftime
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for after the game. Okay, I was there. I know
it took place. There's a this is a symbolic gesture.
Symbolic gesture, that's all it is. And while you say
to yourself, like, why would you do it? It's so dumb,
like okay, so what what punishment would you offer up?
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That's better they find the school. Okay, they took themselves
out of the n c A tournament for a year,
which oh yeah, by the way, while it probably would
have been done anyway, remember that was what Louisville did
at the time in order to try and save the
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program and save themselves like that was Louisville put themselves
on a year probation from the n c A tournament.
Louisville did, the n c A did not, And the
n c A saw what they did and said, that's good.
We got a little bit more for you. We're gonna
take down your band and we're gonna find you. We're
gonna do this, We're gonna do that. But Louisville is
one that took themselves out of the tournament a couple
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of years ago. That was Rick Petino trying to save
his job, save his program more so than Rick Pettino,
knowing that the n c was gonna take them out
of the n c A tournament. You offered that thing up.
I just don't know. You're talking about an impossible job
for the n c A Committee of Infractions. Impossible job.
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And while yeah, North Carolina got away with taking the
these ghost courses because it was offered to all students,
not just student athletes, even though all but one player
on one of their national championship teams. I think it's
the two thousand five National Change was an African American
studies major, Like, come on, man, like, what are we doing?
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We don't realize that this is really helping the basketball
program keep everybody eligible. And in North Carolina didn't know
this was going on. Why did they take players out
of the African American Studies program? They did because they
knew something was up with it, whether they knew that
they were complete no show forest courses or they just
thought it was way too easy to for North Carolina.
They knew something was up, but the idea that North
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Carolina got away with it and Louisville did not. And
somehow that makes the system a bunk system. Hey, have
you paid attention to the the justice system and our
own justice system? People walk that are guilty. O J.
Simpson walked when he was guilty. Now they got O. J.
Simpson in jail until recently on a technicality they out
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camponed al Capone, getting him on racketeering and tax evasion charges.
And that's essentially what they're doing to Louisville. Were the
crimes that were committed so agreed? Just did they change
massively change grades? Now? Did they pay hundreds of thousands
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in this particular case, did they pay hundreds of thousands
of dollars to a student athlete order to get them
to attend in this particular case. This is not the
most recent FBI investigation, and uh, Louis will still got
got some got some explaining to do when that a
case occurs before the Committee of Interractions. But they had
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hookers in the door ORMs recruiting players, and the the
ladies of the night, the professionals, if you will, were
being paid compensated by one of these staff members. Former
player at Louisville. You know, like, man, I don't like
this punishment, Like, all right, tell me a better punishment.
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If you punish the team now and you stay there
the n A term for two years, you're punishing players
have nothing to do with it. Rick Patino's already lost
his job, granted for something else, but he's already lost
his job. The staff member in question wasn't there, and
he already has a show cause. But you you got
to make a point to say this isn't okay. So
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I'm not sitting here defending everything the n c A does.
And there's a there's an amount of hypocrisy to a
lot of the rulings the n c has. But like,
I just don't understand why we have a tendency to
comment negatively on the punishment instead of commenting negatively on
the actual story and the crimes that were committing. Fox
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Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation.
Catch all of our shows at Fox sports Radio dot
com and within the I Heart Radio app. Dean and
Jeremiah joins us. He's got a great podcast on the
NFL network he and Bucky Brooks is called Move the Sticks,
um DJ. I've been talking about Lamar Jackson a good
amount today and I must be missing something, Like, you know,
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college success is not necessarily a prerequisite for NFL success,
but college inaccuracy is a pre record is a good
uh sign of somebody that's going to be inaccurate at
the NFL level. What's your assessment of Lamar Jackson and
the viability as an NFL story and starting quarterback. Well,
I think it's it's it's kind of a complicated discussion
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in that I think he has the the on talent
to make every throw I've seen him throw when out
with velossity. I've seen him throw with touch at times.
Now he's wildly inconsistent, and the reason for that, in
my opinion, is unticle. He's really really narrow, uh in
his base. He's a flipper. He's not a thrower, so
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he doesn't really use any of his lower body. So
I actually think there's he's one of the few I
think has a chance to get better in that area
with some mechanical fixes. And you know, look when you're
great in the wide receiver dug and he has drops.
If you can't just talk about the drops, you have
to say, okay, now does he make any special catches
that I can kind of offset some of these drops?
And okay, you have to. You would live with some
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of the inaccuracies which you wouldn't normally live with with
other quarterbacks because of the freaky stuff he can do athletically,
um to try and make up for some of that.
But he is he ever gonna be a sixty guy
at the next level. I don't think so. But I
think there's there's a shorager quarterbacks and somebody's gonna try
and get creative and try and craft something around what
he can do. Okay, So do you do is that
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first day? Is that first he's the first round guy?
Then I think he's gonna go on the top forty picks.
I really do. And you know whether that's a late
first round pick or whether that's an early second round pick.
I just think there's such a shortage at the position.
And I think with what Houston did last year in
terms of just turning that offense into what basically was
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the Clemson offense, that told departure from everything that that
Bill O'Brien has ever done. I think was a little
bit of a blueprint for teams to say, Okay, we
can try and craft this thing. Now. The durability to
me would be, you know something, Okay, can you can
you operate like that and physically hold up That will
be something that will have to be answered that. That's
that's my exact question to you, because when I look
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at I was like, look, that sounds really really good
until I dig in and understand that not only do
you worry about durability and taking hits, but like, look
what we were saying, Deshaun Watson, he got hurt, and
I know he had previously her in a c L
but like that's something that that seems to happen more
when you're out of the pocket and when you're in
the pocket. Yeah, I mean Carson got hurt last year.
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You know, Wentz got hurt and some of that is
attributed to being a little bit reckless. So yeah, I
mean that's that's always going to be a concern and
that's why I still when you're starting through all these quarterbacks, Um,
I think one of the aspects you have to talk
about is not only our ability, but durability and then
also projecting durability going forward. And that to me is yeah,
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that's But to me, it's another feather in in uh
in Sam Donald's cap and that he's built. He's a
little bit sturdier. He could take it. And he's even
though it's only two years, he's taking a lot of
hits and he gets up from every one of them. Um,
what what about Baker Mayfield? What are people? Where are
we on the Baker Mayfield discussion as of now? I
think you know you talked to teams during draft meetings
(32:38):
right now, and um, I think there's no middle ground
on Baker Maysfield. People are buying what he's selling, or
there's people that aren't buying it. There's just you know,
there's there's nobody that's in between. UM. I love personally
and we've talked about it. I love the stuff that
he does between the lines, playing the game and uh
in the accuracy and being able to do a lot
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of special things. But I think it's a it's an
adult position, it's a mature position, and that's something that
I still worries me a little bit. Even even just
the stuff that was talking about technas the other day. Dude,
just just just be quiet, man. There's there's times to
just lay low and let your actions speak for you.
The way I talked about on the podcast of that
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kept trying to think of the right way to phrase it, Doug,
trying to find the right words for it. In leaders
emotion is important. I like emotion and energy. Emotion is
a big part of that. But when it comes down
to it, I'll take devotion over emotion. Show me what
you're doing, don't tell me what you're doing. Jenna Jeremiah
from the NFL Network joining us on the Doug Otlib
Show on Fox Sports Radio. Let's get the guys in
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the league. There's talk of the Jets going, hey, we'll
put sixty million dollars. We'll we'll find a way to
create a thing, a bunch of signing bonus money, roster
bonus money, so that it's a completely front loaded deal.
If you're Kirk Cousins, how pealing is that? Not very
I don't know how far be it from me to
say tell somebody to take less money. You know, I
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get get get what you can get. But if you
told me that I could go to Minnesota at twenty
seven million dollars a year, or I could go to
the Jets at thirty two million dollars a year, I know,
five million dollars a years a lot of money, But
I think I'd rather go try and win Super Bowls
with the Minnesota and and probably you know, make some
of that five million back off the field because you're
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on a team that's winning in a in a same
as fortunate companies as well as there is in New York.
So I don't know I'd be a lot more tempted
by one of those options. Supposed to go in to
the Jets, I think they're a long way away. Who
of the Vikings quarterbacks appeals to you? Uh? Which one
of their current Yes? I mean so, I gosh's just
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because you don't know what Teddy's health, you don't know
what Bradford's health. I go back to availability being important.
I don't know that I pay case Keenum the franchise
number that they're talking about, and I'm not super bullish
on him long term, but I know he's gonna he's
gonna trot out there, you know, and I've got a
chance to have a functional starter. Um. I think of
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those three that that would probably be where I lean
right now. Although I think Teddy Um has the most upside,
I just don't know where he's at health wise. That's
the voice of Danny Jeremiah from the NFL Network. He's
joining us on the Doug Gottlib Show here on Fox
Sports Radio. UM Levy on Bell and the discussion over
his contract. If you're in that room, you're deciding, how
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do you form, Like, what's your opinion on what you
do if you're the Steelers long term? On Levian, that's
a tough one. He is a great, great player and
he kind of makes that thing though. I would just
be I think I would be cautious about about doing
a long term deal at that position right now. I
just would I I look at how cheaply the uh
the the Phodelphia Eagles acquired their running back talent in
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the in three backs that that collectively we're good enough
for them to win a championship that cost him nothing.
They got j J. I for nothing, They got Garrett
Blunt for nothing. They didn't have to spend a draft
pick on core Corey Clement. So I don't know, it's
just what the way the league is right now. I
don't know that I would go on and put put
all that cash out there in a long term deal
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and running back. I just wouldn't do it. I wouldn't either.
I wouldn't either. But but um, they feel like they
already have him, and their window is you know, does
not appear to be that open for that much longer.
And can you put something together short term in order
to sign him? Um, but you know, you know it
does go counter to what so many others have done
(36:38):
in the National Football League, paying running backs nothing, getting
a bunch of them. One goes down, you replace him,
and and look no further than the playoffs, not just
the Eagles from Look what the Patriots have done four years.
I'm a heck, even look at what this even look
what the Saints have done, right, I mean, like, um,
the big name running back they they they sent away
and Alvin Camar is very versatile, but the third round pick,
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and they got a ton of value out of him. Yeah. Yeah,
And I look, I see the you know, the other
side that I've see the Todd Gurleys and the Zeke
Elliott's and left Bells and the impact they've had. Um.
But again I think, I don't know, I'm just beginning
to lean more towards Hey, get him, get him, get him.
As rookies, you know, as bad as it sounds, run
them to the wheels fall off, and then let somebody
else pay them and go get Yeah. What what is
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the most fast outside of quarterback? What's the most fascinating
position in the upcoming draft? Well, I mean running back
is a good one because we've got a lot of
depth there. Um, it's pretty interesting. I think the corner
group is while it might lack to the you know,
Jalen Ramsey type guy, I think there's a lot of
talent and depth maybe you know, for that first two rounds.
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I think you could see you know, seven or eight
of those guys come off in the first two rounds.
I think that's a really good group. I don't think
it's as deep as last year's was in terms of
getting many guys but there's an intriguing list of names there.
I mean, it's chocks. Josh Jackson if he runs well
from from Iowa, He's got the best ball skills I've
seen it a long time because he's a great player.
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Denzel Ward from Ohio State's really really good. Jerry Alexander
uh from the One, really really good. So it's it's
a it's a good group of guys up there. You
mentioned running back, say Kwan Barkley is is on the
top of everybody's board. You just said, you're kind of
you've moved kind of off of that idea of a
premier running back. What is his value in comparison to
the others? Well, I think he's the best one. I
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think he's the best football player in the entire draft.
I really do. And that's where I kind of you know,
it sound like you're almost talking about of both sides
of your mouth, But I'm okay, if you want to
take him and just roll with him for the you know,
to get that first contract five years and just get
everything you can, squeeze everything you can out of him
for those five years, I think he's incredibly valuable there. Um,
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But um, you know where is he gonna go. I
think teams are split on that in terms of how
how you take those guys. I could see him, you know,
going in anywhere in the and the too any of
those any of those picks. I'd be shocked if he
fell out of the top five, even with the position
being where it is today. I just think the guy
is too good. Uh. The Eagles decide that their offensive
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coordinator is gonna be Mike grow Now like Doug Peterson
still gonna call the plays. They're still gonna have Deuce Daley.
But they did lose. They did lose the other two
voices kind of in the room, Joe, Uh, I was
it de Filippo, John Felippo. Yeah, he went to the
Minnesota Vikings, and of course we know what happened with
Frank Reich. What what does this due to change the
Eagles offense? Um? Look, I just knowing all those guys
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over there, I was there when Deuce was there. Deuce
is a great guy and he's got a lot of great,
great ideas in the run games. So keeping him there
to keep the run game stabilized and Doug as the
play caller, I don't think you're gonna see a whole
lot change there. Coach grow has a great reputation on
the league. Um, So, look, you're gonna lose quality people.
But that's why, uh you know, that's that's why sustained success. Um,
(39:59):
you gotta have a head coach that can not only
have identify good coaches, but recruiting to be on the
staff and continue to develop some when they're there. So
I like the fact that guys are both inside the
building and getting promotions and they know the lay of
the land, they know their personnel. Are you packing right now?
What are you doing that all of a sudden At
times your voice appears to trail off you guys can
hear that too, right, that's not just me. Are you
(40:21):
packing while you're walking around your your house or something? Um,
it is like freezing in my house right now. So
I'm I'm walking around in my in my master bedroom.
It's not like it's like I'm doing laps. It's not
that big of a house, dougs. But I am keeping
I am keeping moving to just to just stay warm.
I mean, we get out in California. It was just
thirty two degrees when I got my car this morning. Yeah,
(40:41):
it was like it's so funny. How and that's exactly
thing happened to me this morning. We my my daughter
said something this morning. They're off on they have ski
week vacation. Man, this is the tough rugged uh Orange
County Education, southern California. Yeah, they're offer ski weeks. I
got my daughters and when we hung out this morning,
and and somebody said to us, sale with thirty one degrees.
(41:03):
When but when it's seventy every day and it's thirty one,
you're like, man, that is cold, as opposed to when
it's thirty one every day and it's twenty You're like, yeah,
it's cool, but it's you know, it doesn't feel that bad.
I think. I think it's like it's like it's not
even sweater weather back east, but it is. It is
heavy jacket weather up here. Yes, it's fifty degrees today
in southern California. And if you were in the Midwest,
(41:26):
people would have t shirts on, tank tops on. They'd
be outside celebrating. Meanwhile, there are women in the west
West l are wearing fur coats. But and then and
look and uh and doing what's best for your radio show,
I've sent I'm sitting down and I'm just sitting on
my hands trying to keep my hands warm. So your
your segment is up. You you you did, in fact
(41:47):
make it through, make it through to the finish line.
Daniel JEREMYA. Check out the podcast. It's called Move the Sticks.
We're getting closer and closer to the draft, combine closer
and closer to the draft itself, which of course he
used to be part of with the Ravens, with the
Eagles and uh and and basically does as good a
job as anybody in letting us be in the know
(42:07):
getting ready for the NFL Draft. DJ thinks so much.
Thanks Buddy Pickere
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