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June 20, 2020 • 51 mins

Doug explains why we always knew athletes would test positive for COVID-19, fires back at Paul Finebaum's comments from this morning about coaches hiding positive coronavirus tests, and is joined by Bruce Feldman to discuss that and all things college football! Plus, Jayson Stark stops by to update you with all the latest on major league baseball, and gives a prediction on how the situation gets resolved!

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of the Doug got Leave Show on Fox Sports Radio, Boom,
What of America, Daddy's Back, Doug Gotlive Show, Facts Sports Radio. Man,
I hope you're doing well getting ready for a Father's

(00:43):
Day weekend. To those of you who uh have your
father around, mine is not you know. I say this
every year, and um, I cannot underscore the importance of
just reaching out and calling the dude up and or

(01:04):
if you're close enough, go see him. I go see
him whatever. Whatever. Breakdown. Some of you have a breakdown
your relationship with the dad and you have dad issues. Okay,
it's Father's Day, man, talk to him, have a conversation.
Catch up. How you doing, old guy? Thanks so much.

(01:25):
Here's why I care about you, Here's why I love you.
Something it's not because I will tell you when you're
in my seat, when you don't have that dad around
to call you, sit there and go, man, I missed
the old guy, I really really do. Anyway, without buy
me out any further, let's let's get to some of
the topics of the day and give you the phone numbers.

(01:45):
Eight seven seven Fox eight seven seven nine Fox. Boy.
We are an interesting time? Are we super super interesting time?
Because we feel like we're super close to getting sports back?
But the closer you get, the further weekend. Does that
make sense? It does to me because I've been paying attention.

(02:06):
Uh quick note, in one hour, I will tell you
why I was absolutely right about the NBA bubble. Alright,
that upcoming. But let's start with some of the news
of the day, which is really really confusing, right, This
is a confusing time where you're depending on the station

(02:27):
you watch, depending on who you listen to. You know,
a governor tells you one thing, president tells you something else.
The news and scientists tell you something altogether different. There's
three COVID outbreaks in the world of sports today. Five
Phillies who have been training at the team's facility in Clearwater, Florida.
Clear Water um to those of you who don't know

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is in the Tampa St. Pete area. You'd go over
a little bridge and there's clear water beach right and
there's a lot of big baseball area, a lot of
training stuff. There's tarpin springs or some other things over there.
But five Phillies have been training in that area. The
team facility tested positive for coronavirus in recent days, multiple
sources tell NBC Sports Philadelphia. In addition to the five players,

(03:10):
three staff members have also tested positive, and the identities
of those affected are not known. This from MLB insider
Jeff Passon equally curious news coming out of the Blue Jays.
All right, So the Blue Jays shut down their spring
training facility in Dunedin, Florida, after a player exhibited COVID symptoms,
Sources tell ESPN. Blue Jays player exhibiting symptoms as a

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picture on the forty man roster, who recently spend time
with players in the Phillies minor league system. According to sources,
he's been tested for COVID nineteen is awaiting results as
the NHL moves forward. There's a multi tier plan to
start the nineteen twenty season restarted after pausing due to coronavirus.
The Lightning will temporary close their tracts their training facilities

(03:54):
after multiple players and staffers tested positive for COVID nineteen,
according to multiple reports. What does this all mean now,
Testing positive does not mean that you're symptomatic. Although one
of these players, this one for the Toronto Blue Jays,
appears to be symptomatic, we don't know about the others
being asymptomatic. But it's really important to know that while uh,

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while the protests and the Black Lives Matter has taken
over in terms of the storylines and sports and non
non sports, COVID nineteen still sitting out there, and of
course Florida, who barely shut down, we should expect there
to be a wider spread and more spread of it,
as well as the states that opened up. Quicker Dr

(04:39):
Fauci came out yesterday and said he didn't see a
way which still be football this year. On the other hand,
he also said he doesn't see there being any way
to lock people down again. So it gets really confusing.
But here's what we forgotten. Here's what we stopped paying
attention to because we started looking at graphs and we
don't really understand what they all mean, because some of
them are not content actualize in some of the context.

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We just don't get because that's not our field of expertise.
It's just not I'm not a scientist. I don't pretend
to be. I think it's stupid for people to go
out and go again, let me tell you what the
numbers mean, like, unless you're a numbers guy and understand,
I don't understand the grass going up bad. But I
do know because I did listen, that COVID nineteen is

(05:22):
really only the most dangerous I guess to the elderly.
You know, my mom came by yet last night, and
you know we were celebrating an early Father's Day as
well as graduation to my two eighth graders getting ready
for high school. But she still thloways she came in
the house, no hugging, no handshaking. We just didn't do that,

(05:44):
just because she is in the primary risk group, even
though she has very one of her medications makes her
a little bit more susceptible, but otherwise her lungs are fine.
If you have an autoimmune deficiency, then you could be
at risk. Otherwise it's a lot. A professional athlete is
not crazy likely to get so sick that not only

(06:04):
would hop would hospitalization would be required. And if you look,
if you actually read and listen to what was said
about this virus was not that it was any more
dangerous um to the average American and to a healthy American,
to a child. It said it spreads far quicker, and

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because it spread so fast and so wide, and some
that get it get can get a more severe case
of it than our hospitals become overwhelmed that we didn't
have enough ventilators. And some of that can be navigated
at the time. But I relate this to when the
Raiders traded away Khalil Mack. You know, four weeks afterwards,

(06:50):
four months afterwards, anytime the Raiders wouldn't have any pressure
on the quarterback. Well, you would have had pressure on
the quarterback if you had Khalil Mack. And you're right,
Only you're wrong because that wasn't the logic behind the trade.
The Raiders weren't going to be good. They weren't good
with Khalil back. They weren't gonna be good without Khalil Mack.
But the difference was they say ninety million dollars in
guarantees and got two first round picks that they could

(07:11):
replace him eventually with with cheaper options, maybe about as good,
but cheaper options. And that's what exactly has played out.
But for the rest of the last season, that this season,
last season, every time the Raiders, well, look at Khalil Mack,
He's And no one argues that klie Mack was great.
It's just could you keep Khalil Mack and what and
waste all that salary space, especially when they didn't have

(07:32):
the cash on hand. No one ever said that coronavirus
was was going away. If you thought there's going to
be a vaccine, you haven't been paying attention. The problem
is the spreading. The problem is really the problem is
taking it home and then spreading it some more. And

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my contention has always been that, look, as long as
we're locked down, shut everything down, I get it, or
keep people in a bubble when you do move them around.
But once you start opening things up, people are going
to get sick, and it's how can we deal with it?
Can we keep them out of the hospitals and still safe.
Can we quarantine them? Can we treat them and contain

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the spread of it so that ultimately we get some
some level of herd immunity after the initial push. That
was what flatten. Flattening the curve wasn't eliminating the curve.
We weren't going to eliminate the virus until you get
a vaccine, which isn't on the immediate horizon. It's like
people don't pay attention. Just like the Raiders were trading

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Khalil Mack to get better immediately, it was to save
money and then get draft picks to get better with
a volume play in the end, which I believe will
in fact play out. So before we freak out about
every player testing positive and having teams shut down, I
understand that nobody wants to get sued. Nobody wants to

(08:57):
but like you actually end up end up kind of
repeating the same flaws. I saw University of Houston. They
had kids pop positive for COVID nineteen. You shut down
your training, they go home, they're testing positive, they bring
it home to them, and then the very thing you're
trying to have happened, which is not spread to the community,
to the elderly part of community, that happens as opposed

(09:18):
to as I believe, Yeah, guys are gonna pop up
positive they're gonna get some are gonna get sick, many
are gonna be asymptomatic. Treat them, quarantine them, but don't
send them home because when you do, now they spread
it home. I didn't say these are easy problems, but
it hasn't gone away. And now that we're getting close

(09:40):
to having baseball and we're gonna have basketball, and one
of the big hot spots is Florida, specifically Orange County, Florida,
which is where the NBA is going to be, it
becomes very interesting. It becomes very interesting. Um all right.
Coming up next, one star athlete is trying to force

(10:02):
a trade, but he's doing the opposite of what he
actually wants to achieve by forcing such a trade. Be
sure to catch the live edition of The Doug gott
Leap Show weekdays at three p m. Easter noon Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app.
We're close, but we're not there yet. And the guys

(10:25):
I actually feel the worst for are the guys that
do this. This matters the most too. A guy like
a Jason Stark, who has uh covered the game as
long as I've been in the business, even longer, so
totally connected and really, really knowledgeable. He's a senior baseball
writer the Athletic and you see him in studio for

(10:45):
the MLB Network. UM. I feel like Jason when Rob
Manfred said this has to get done, this has to end.
He spoke for all of America's just like, we're kind
of done with the back and forth. We we understand
how they're both gonna it was money, but they got
to figure this out. Is that the feeling you got
when Manford finally said that, yeah, I mean, it's exhausting.

(11:09):
I don't think there's any doubt that he's exhausted. Um.
People inside the sport are just worn down by all that,
all the fighting. UM. And I also think Doug that
a big part of it was the calendar. You know,
we've like we've been told it would take. You have
to you have the space out about a month between

(11:30):
a deal and opening day. They've been talking about July
opening day. That's one month from today. It's thirty days
from this moment in time, and I can just start
trying to figure this out. If they were to agree
by dinner time tonight, you still people who have to
travel from all over the country and the world to

(11:52):
wherever their teams are training, and that might have to
be changing now with the you know, with the health
and safety news. Then when they arrive, they all have
to be tested and then isolated for a period of time.
Then you have twenty one days of of some kind
of training camp, and then you can start, like they're
just not enough wiggle room on the counter anymore to

(12:14):
start when they're gonna when they hope to start, if
they don't get a deal done by Monday at the latest. Yeah,
and and and look, I do understand that it's they're
both wrong and they're both right, But I also I
would also tell you I think the players hurt their
ability to get in more games because of the you know,

(12:36):
the Boris idea, which is, hey, let's not counter that propose.
It's a bad proposal. I know they end up countering anyway,
but it's just the delay in this. You go back
three weeks ago, and you could have ironed out and
been in the exact same place. Oh, I think this
exact deal has been there to be made for quite

(12:57):
some time, if you know, if the if the owners
had somehow found a way to convince themselves to cross
that line that the players do in the sand and
just make one offer any kind of offer at proaded pay.
That was a vehicle to talk with, a vehicle to

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find a deal. They could have offered pro ord to
pay at games and then they could have started negotiating
on how many games and what other stuff would go
with it. It could have happened weeks ago, but instead
they've spent the last two months fighting over that same
line in the stand right or not. And if neither

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side was ever going to cross that line, it made
everything else impossible. There was no way to compromise, There
was no way to look outside the box for any
creative solution. There was no way to even have a conversation.
So they just kept writing next the emails back and forth,
and that's why we are where we are. Jason Stark
joining us senior Baseball writer for the Athletic q Semen

(14:06):
Studio on the MLB. Never you joined us in the
Doug Outleap Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, seventy
sixty feels like they're close. Do they split the difference
or do on seventy games? I mean, since I get
from the people inside MLB is seventy is never gonna happen.
You know, they feel like they've already come halfway because

(14:29):
they were prepared to implement a schedule at fifty and
the players want seventy and they think sixty is halfway.
I mean, I, Doug, I could see a little wiggle room, Mike,
if you start doing the math on how schedules break down,
Like the best numbers are sixty six games, sixty three games,

(14:51):
sixty games. I don't I can't see any scenario where
this is a number of greater than sixty three. I
do think ultimately they're gonna they're gonna settle on some
number that starts with a six. But I would take
if you're saying sixty the midpoint, I would take the
under Jason start Jonius in the dug out Lip Show.

(15:12):
But we do have a season, correct. You want my prediction.
What's going to happen? I think this all blows up
in the next hours or so. Sunday, Rob Manford announced
as a schedule fifty games, and then there's a scramble
and they make a deal in the next forty eight

(15:33):
hours after that, again at the sixty something deals, because
the owners need that hundred million dollars in extra postseason
money that would be under the Christmas tree. They need
that money. There's no other way they can. They can
get that kind of influx of cash at a time
when they borrowed, according to them, two point four billion

(15:54):
dollars just to operate, and that's a that's a real
driving force for them. And getting the the union to
drop the threat of a grievance is another driving force.
And for the players, they get a lot out of it.
They get more games, that's big. There's a lot of
money that goes with just that alone. But they get

(16:14):
cut of the postseason, they get some of this money
that was advanced to them in March. Uh, they wouldn't
be obligated to repay that. There's a there's still incredible
incentive to make a deal. And I would hope that
just the idea that now you have players testing positive
today would be incentive. Wouldn't you think I would? I

(16:37):
would think I would. I would definitely, you know, definitely think.
But I wouldn't know. I mean, you know, who actually
who who knows? Jason Stark joining us on the Doug
Gotlieve Show on Fox Sports Radio, what happens with Cora?
Because it's say they have the season he sits out. Um,
you know, there's he's had a kind of a change

(16:59):
in tune here recently. What happens with his future, Well,
there are a lot of people in Boston that still
love Alex Cora and recognize everything he did for that
franchise at a million different levels for all kinds of people.
And I mean, it's certainly not impossible that he comes

(17:21):
back and as the manager in a year. That's certainly possible.
On the other hand, him Bloom, who is now in
charge there, did not hire Alex Cora, So it's I know,
people are just kind of jumping to that conclusion. It
wouldn't shock me, but I think Alex Cora works in
baseball again. But it's certainly not that he winds up

(17:41):
back in Boston. Hm hm um. Okay, what what does
baseball look like next offseason? Again, I'm asking you things
to which I mean, like, we have no idea. But
you know, look, if if of the revenue is the gate,
there is no gate. Teams are admittedly, even with the

(18:02):
postseason money, going to be behind the eight ball in
terms of losing money every time they have a baseball game. Um,
and we don't know what advertising revenue looks like, what
ticket sales will look like, what the we don't look
at anything is gonna look like. A guy like Mookie Betts, Like,
how much does this change the offseason landscape because there's

(18:24):
so much unknown in terms of financially from Major League Baseball.
I mean, I just wrote about this as a You
can read my column on the Athletics site and basically
the premises. If you think this is bad, just wait.
I talk to people on both sides, listen to their vision,

(18:45):
and it's frightening. Uh, just this coming off season. I mean,
the predictions I heard included up to three hundred veteran
players non tendered, hundreds of free agents, veteran players who
can't at a job unless they willed to work for
the minimum. Uh, marquee free agents like Mookie, like JT.

(19:08):
Real Muto, maybe even taking one year deals just to
get through the moment and see what's over the horizon.
There's no doubt that owners are going to take out
their cash flow troubles on veteran players in a way
we've never seen before. Um. And they, as you just said,
like they can't even predict revenues next year, are our

(19:30):
stadium is going to be full every night. I don't
think anybody can project that. Even if even if that
were to happen, they won't know it now, they won't
know it in six months. They're going to have to
assume the worst. And they're already trying to deal with
massive borrowing, the debt that's associated with that. Veteran players

(19:51):
will pay the price for that. And it's all just
the lead up to the big labor polluta of the
following winner. And I can't wait for that. I can't either.
Um McGuire so sad doc steroids were mentioned, you know
at the end. Uh, they didn't lead with it. It
was the opposite of the Lance Armstrong doc, which was
the first question they asked everybody of UM, what what

(20:13):
was your takeaway from watching that documentary? I was really
disappointed in it, really disappointed, um, you know, art if
you want to take the approach that they took, which is, hey,
it was a pretty fun rode, right, it was a
lot of crazy things happened. Then show those crazy things.
I followed Mark mc guire around that that you're Doug.

(20:35):
I saw him hit seventeen home runs and just wild stuff.
Happened that never got shown or mentioned in that documentary. Right,
he broke the billboard at the center field upper decked
was five ft away from the plate. Never mentioned. Um
people kept kept showing up. Barbara Walters showed up one day.

(20:59):
MTV is there. Bruce Springsteen was leading against the cage.
The Prime Minister of Japan wrote McGuire a fan letter,
it was a circus you would never have known from
watching it. So I found that part of it incredibly disappointing.
And then it's kind of dump all the pev the
stuff in there at the end just to say it,
did you have to do one thing or the other thing? Uh?

(21:23):
If you if you want to tell the story of
the wild Mark McGuire, Sammy Sosa Rod, then then really
tell it. I recognize they didn't have all the last
dance fun footage. I guarantee it. They could have found
video of the broken billboard in center field, guaranteed. Yeah,
it's that there was. There were so many holes in

(21:44):
the story. But to not tell the story of the steroids,
or to very very lightly tell it at the end
you just seems so disingenuous. It can still be a
fun ride, but there's a reason they're not in the
Hall of Fame. There's a reason that they're still discussed.
There's a reason that we back differently, and to avoid
that is it was the elephant in the room, and
it barely it barely was discussed. Yeah, um like that

(22:10):
whole You know. I did a Baseball Story show with
Mark McGuire on on Stadium two years ago, and he
was He was much more relaxed and less guarded with
me than he was in this interview, I thought. And
we talked about the Hall of Fame and d s
and it was a fascinating conversation, you know, because he's convinced.

(22:31):
I asked the point blank, could you have hit seventy
home runs if you'd never taken a P E D.
And he said, yes, absolutely. And would you be in
the Hall of Fame if you'd never taken a P
E D. Yes? Absolutely. And I mean these are conversations
that really didn't come up in that documentary. I was

(22:51):
really scratching my head. My problem with that is if
he could have, why didn't he right like and and
and I understand like he was a prodigious home run hitter.
And I don't know when it started, you know, if
he told you when it started, because he did have
the fifty two and the season before he had the

(23:13):
seventy and sixty five season. My guess is before that,
but he had never broken fifty and all of a sudden,
he's hitting seventy, Like, okay, you can tell me all that.
I just I'm not gonna believe it. Look, we have
no way of knowing what could have happened, what would
have happened. That's an unbelievable what if game? To kind

(23:33):
of play. He he was a born home run hitter,
that's his line. I would acknowledge that. And he couldn't
get on the field. That was his biggest problem, right.
He was just always hurt. And there's no doubt that
whatever he took, one of the big motivations early on
was to help him rest and recover and get back

(23:53):
on the field and just play. But can we definitively
answer those questions the way he did? I don't see how.
And I'm saying that as a guy who who likes
him a lot personally and did vote for him until
he said to Cass, I wouldn't vote for myself. But

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we cannot answer those questions the way he did. H Uh,
where are you on on how much? How many people
do you? Do you think p DS is still a
a a part of baseball and if so, how big
a part? Oh? Yeah, I don't think that there's any
doubt that there are players taking something. But I do

(24:36):
think that baseball has now reached a point where their
problem is at least no different than the same problem
in the other sports, because they do have state of
the art testing. They I mean, they have punished and
suspended players who did not test positive based on their

(24:56):
investigative wing um. Players have to be more careful about
what they take than at any point before, and so
I I do think that at least gives them onto
an equal footing with the other sports. But what I say,
the sports clean who can say that? Yeah, nobody can
say that, But it's a great way of putting it.
Jason Stark. Can't wait to see you not only commenting

(25:18):
on baseball and EBBE networking, but when we actually have
baseball games. We have your prediction down, which is it
all blows up Manfred puts in the fifty games, then
they go, wait a second, we can still work out
a deal. We'll see. If so, you will be the
smartest man in the room, which you usually are. Jason,
Thanks for joining us. Have a great weekend. Always a
pleasure you to be sure to catch the live edition

(25:39):
of the Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at three p m.
Easter noon Pacific Doug got Leave Show Fox Sports Radio
every day. At this time, we like to play for
you a previous uh portion of a previous show on
Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports TV. We call it and now.
This is Paul find Bomb on the Dan Patrick Show,

(26:01):
expressing his concern about how how head coaches will handle
players testing positive for the coronavirus. Can we trust college
coaches to even be honest about these tests? Once we
get to the season. You talk about getting ready for
the Ohio State Michigan game, the Alabama Auburn game, the
Georgia Florida game. Our coach is going to say, I'm sorry,
my my star player chest and positive. I'm gonna quarantine

(26:23):
him in the offensive line. College football is ripe with
with lying and cheating and fraudulence, uh and and deception,
and I don't think this would be any different. Paul
find Bomb needs to shut his mouth. Play that one again, Okay,
can we like like like the the idea. The first

(26:45):
of all, it's it's obvious, and I know Paul is
this is what he does. He says things that are
completely untrue that cat headlines. And then he has a
show which has been in the South is The Mouthless South.
But what he's saying is so definitively the definitively false,
it's embarrassing. It is embarrassing because while he may be

(27:12):
correct about college coaches in regards to other aspects of recruiting,
other aspects of players, and when you talk about the
health of a player and whether he tests positive for coronavirus,
that may come on the desk of the coach, but
it's done by a doctor. It's run through an actual lab.

(27:39):
You do understand that, right? And oh yeah, by the way,
you're you're talking about the idea that a football coach
is some sort of out of control animal that they'll
play a kid who test positive for coronavirus because he
wants to beat Auburn. What are we doing? What are

(28:00):
you talking about? Paul? Cheating and recruiting is one thing. Okay,
falsifying or downplaying a positive coronavirus test that's a completely
other thing. What are you doing? Why would you spread this?
Why would you say that about other human beings without
any moder come of proof, even these idiots in in

(28:21):
l A the UH The l A Times late Thursday
asserts that players don't trust chip Kelly's program to act
in the best interests, particularly in regards to their health,
a realm where it says u c l A has
perpetually failed US, citing neglected and mismanaged injury cases. The
document does not provide examples, of course it doesn't. The
players demanded the third party health official be on hand

(28:43):
for all football activities to see pro protocols for COVID
nineteen prevention are being followed, that anonymous whistleblower protections are
provided for athletes and staff and report violations. You sail
a football sounds like a lot of fun. Let's have
somebody make sure we do that. Have you ever seen
what they're supposed to do with COVID stuff? My son
plays that. We're in southern California. My son plays UH

(29:05):
club baseball, and they follow all of the procedures. They
cannot play on the actual field because the fields aren't open,
so they go to practice, they go to stations. They
have a certain number of coaches, the coaches of mass
and of gloves, like what are we doing here? And
the idea that one or two parents of one or
two kids want, like, don't send your kid back if

(29:30):
he doesn't want if he's worried about the protocols. And
oh yeah, by the way, you know, uh, you know
that players can't have their scholarships pulled anymore, their four
years scholarships. Can They're playing time be minimized? Sure, all right,

(29:51):
but this idea like we're protecting guys from things that
these boogeyman deals. If you don't think coaches are take
king this seriously, that's fine. I mean, I'll tell you
I've been to, for example, these these kids that are like, man,
I'm really worried about us following protocols. I go to
a workout and take my son to a wide receiver
workout every week and some and and there's several pack

(30:14):
twelve players in that workout, and I a COVID nineteen
protocols being fault followed. Nobody has masks on. They have
wide receiver gloves on, some of them, many of them
don't because they're first, they're they're doing drills. There's no
social distancing, like, what are we doing? But to find bomb? Well,

(30:34):
you know, the PLA coaches can't be trusted with the
entire team and staff's health. Like, Paul, do you realize
what you're saying? And here's the thing, here's the embarrassing thing.
Paul is nationally known, Paul is on college game day.
Paul has earned amount of respect. This is totally disrespectful
towards the sport and the men running the sport. What

(30:56):
are you talking about, dude? How would you why? Why
would you say? At do you really think that Nick
Saban's gonna sit there? Nick Saban's got all this money
and all these championships and one of his players pops
positive for COVID nineteen before they play Auburn, and he's
gonna go. You know, beating Auburn is more important than
my entire team getting sick and my entire coaching staff

(31:17):
getting sick. And oh yeah, by the way, he doesn't
really have that say because the doctors and the lab
people that do the test, once they see a positive test,
there's all different sorts of chains that they have to
run it up to. You would get if somebody by
and by the way, if you found if we found
out that somebody was hiding a positive COVID nineteen test

(31:40):
from the rest of the world so a kid could play,
you are fired with cause you get no money. Paul
Feindbaum is saying something that is definitively false, and because
he's somebody that has a national radio show and a
national audience and has been saying laughable, laughable things that
are false for years, we'll let him get away with it.
I'm not do I think college fall player coaches are

(32:02):
flawed human beings that time? Sure? Do I think that
their egos get out of check. Absolutely, You pay them
that much money, you put up statues, you name stadiums
in their honor. But do I think that they would
risk the health of their entire team and staff to
win one football game with coronavirus. No, because they would
also cost themselves, potentially their job. That's what the Fox said.

(32:30):
Say this is like the concussion protocol. It's out of
the coach's hands anyway, You're dope, it just is. It's
not the same thing as well. You know they cheat
in recruiting, Yeah, we know, we know, we know but
a kid tests positive curve COVID nineteen, he's being quarantined,

(32:53):
he's being removed from the team. And yet would some
of this be about the team getting getting six? Sure,
most of it would be about the coaches also getting sick,
Like do you think they want that things ben for? No?
Do you think Nick Saban wants to bring that home
to his his wife? Like? No? But more than anything,

(33:13):
the idea that guys would keep there would do it
to keep their job. You're gonna lose your job if
they find out that you're playing a player that tests
positive anyway immediately and collect nothing, collect nothing because you
open the school up to a bunch of lawsuits. Like
this is just it's it's I'm glad we're having it.
But I think that what fine Bomb says is just

(33:35):
dumb and uneducated. Frankly, it's flat out mean. How dare
you say that about college coaches? And if I'm a
college coach, I would the second he has wants to
have me on, I would, Hey, Paul, do you really
believe that all called that any college coach would would
play a player that has COVID nineteen just to win
a football game? Why would I come on your show

(34:00):
thirty minutes. I'm gonna asked Bruce Fulban, does he pie
what fine bombs saying? It is? To me laughably false,
almost impossible and just frankly untrue. All Right, what we're
seeing right now across the world of sports, we really
should have expected it. We we knew that this was

(34:21):
going to happen. But for some reason people are surprised.
I'm not sure why. I'll explain next. This is the
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(34:42):
he's a friend, he's an author and uh, of course
you can read his work in Athletic He's the one
only Bruce Feldman, the Bruce joins us on the Doug
Gotlip Show on Fox Sports Trading. I want to play
for you, something Paul Feinebaum said on the Dan Patrick Show.
I'll give my thoughts and then we'll have this discussion.
So go ahead, Ramma's playing. Can trust college coaches, but
even be honest about these tests. Once we get to

(35:03):
the season, you talk about getting ready for the Ohio
State Michigan game, the Alabama Auburn game, the Georgia Florida game.
Our coach is going to say, I'm sorry, my my
star player chest and positive, I'm gonna quarantine him in
the offensive line. College football is ripe with with lying
and cheating and fraudulence, uh and and deception. And I
don't think this would be any different. I don't know

(35:25):
what he is accusing college coaches of potentially doing, is okay?
And and Bruce, you tell me if I'm I'm missing
something here. He's accusing them of, Hey, they got a
big game coming up, kid test positive. Let's not tell anybody.
Let's just have him play, win the game, then we'll
worry about it. That's not just putting the kid at risk,

(35:47):
putting everybody at risk. And if you get caught, and
you will get caught because you know somebody else is
gonna know, the doctor or the lab tech will in fact, no,
you're gonna get fired with cause not get any money
Like that to me is is I would be really
upset if I was a college football coach. I don't

(36:08):
know how you go on his show without asking is
that what you're accusing us of possibly doing? And I
just don't see that as a possibility. Am I wrong?
You know? Uh, Without having heard the clip before, I
think I've seen people tweet about it a little bit.
I hadn't listened to it. The thing that I thought
he was going in the direction of was that coaches

(36:29):
wouldn't disclose before a game which players might not be
able to play the fact that the idea that that
they would play somebody who they knew was positive. That
to me seems like that would be kind of shocking,
be honest, because of not just what you said. But

(36:51):
I think it's at that point, um, you know, there
would be such a liability risk where you're talking about
getting you know, if you willfully knew players had a
disease that is contagious, and we've seen that, We've already
had a hundred twenty thousand people die from this in

(37:13):
the country. Now, maybe the risk is is much much
lower for players who are eighteen to twenty two, then
certainly it is for people over sixty, But then what
if there are are players who have some pre existing
conditions or who knows what about what you could be
spreading To me, that was the wilful part of that.

(37:36):
I don't I don't know if that. I can't imagine
that's exactly what he was going for. I think it
was probably in a in the direction of not disclosing
before the game who was going to play. That's at
least that was what I was That's what I assumed
he was talking about. Okay, so you just tweeted out
before you joined us that U c l A. D
Martin Jarmond and head coach Chip Kelly are expected to

(37:57):
meet with the Bruins at three pm. To Dight, who
addressed the players concerns directly and talked through those. For
people who are listening to the show, we haven't really
discussed it what's going on in u c l A.
So the only Times had a story probably in the
last hour hour and a half that said thirty players
had concerns about UH, that they didn't feel like the

(38:20):
football program basically had their best interests at heart when
it or they trusted them UM when it came to
these issues, and they wanted a third party medical person involved.
Also that UM there was concerns about whether they would
get there if they didn't feel comfortable playing that they

(38:42):
would lose their scholarships. Now, I don't that doesn't line
up with some of the things I've heard from my
reporting since then, um, in terms of that, but from
talking to a couple of people in the athletic department
recently in the last minutes, UM, They're gonna have a
meeting at three. I think they're going to try to

(39:02):
discuss Okay, was there a disconnect with some of the
players understanding. I mean, they thought that these protocols were
pretty clear and addressed already, UM, but maybe they maybe
there was a lot of gray area that some of
the players felt like needed to be readdressed And like,
right now, I think this is if there's a dialogue

(39:24):
that makes people feel more comfortable with this, then it's
a healthy thing. And I think this is right now
kind of where we're at with the confluence of a
lot of things that are are now happening, not just
in college athletics but around the country. You know, one
of the things that's that's interesting. Bruce Telman, our guest
in the Doug GALEP show. You se him sidelines covering
college football. He's been coming for years he writes for

(39:44):
The Athletic. He does a tremendous job. He's a must
follow on social media as well. He joins in the
Doug Galop Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Um it,
one of the things. I've actually taken my son to
a couple of wide receiver workout Slow Gale in southern California.
And there's guys from every pack, twelve school NFL teams,

(40:04):
and a legit and elite level high school players. And
they're not wearing masks, they're not doing social distancing, like
they're just getting ready for when they have to get
back to school or to their team. I feel like,
you know whether or not they they trust Chip or not.
The idea of protocols is kind of disingenuous because many
of these kids have been at home violating those protocols

(40:26):
to begin with. Well, one thing I've heard that is
a real concern, and this is from talking a lot
of coaches in the last week and a half around
the country in college football, is are they going to
you know, this whole nature of a bubble um you're
dealing with eighteen to twenty two year old I'm not quite, honestly.
I mean, we're grown ups. And I think there's some

(40:47):
things that we probably do where this is beyond and
we're talking both in southern California, but this is beyond
just hey, we go to the grocery store and we
wear a mask and everybody else does and it's except
it and and that's that. But when it comes to
kind of more your daily life, maybe you're interacting with
people and you're not social distancing and some of those things,

(41:09):
because honestly, it's it's it's really hard for people to
to make that adjustment in their their way of life
for an extended length of time, right. And I think
a lot of stuff has happened, which maybe people have
forgotten the severity of this thing. You know, they've looked
at other countries and say, well, this is they've kind
of or other parts of the country. And now we're

(41:29):
starting to see some numbers, um, you know, and in
places maybe it hadn't hit like it did, certainly in
the northeast that are that are concerning, right. And I
think that the question, and you're going to hear this
probably from people, is and there's a lot of I
don't think there's just a lot of misinformation. I think
there's just a lot of confusion because it's a it's

(41:49):
a new virus, that's the whole nature of this. But
it's gonna be okay. The cases are up, But does
that just mean because the tests are up, or does
that mean you know? The thing that just I would
be most concerned is the hospitalization is growing going up,
because you know, I think probably by now some of
us know people have had it and have been okay

(42:11):
once they've had it. The questions are going to be though,
if this thing is becomes really serious illness. I think
the only way you kind of really kind of come
to grips with it, I feel like, is if you
know somebody or it's impacted you more than just oh,
you know, we saw Tom Hanks and his wife had
it but they're fine. And we saw Ruby Bill Berret

(42:32):
Donovan and got it and they're fine, and that kind
of thing. It's just that's where we're at. And I
think when you talk to a lot of coaches around
the country, they don't know. They just see that, oh man,
we've got we went from two to nine guys, or
from two to fifteen guys, and it's going to be
really hard for them because they haven't. Even now they're

(42:52):
kind of managing stuff in small groups and groups of ten.
What's going to happen if and when they get back
to more of the the football part of this, where
it's more physical, it's more contact, and there's and guys
are around each other and they're in quite honestly, over time,
your guard let's down. I mean, I think that's a
that's something that nobody really knows the answer to. Right now,

(43:14):
do Gotli show here on Fox Sports Radio? What happens
at Oklahoma State? I don't know. I mean, here's the thing.
And you know, you know, Mike gonna be much better
than I do. I feel like I know him a little,
but I can't say I know him that well from
all the meetings we've had with him in production meetings
over doing games. Um, you know, I've seen him talk

(43:34):
about this issue three times, you know, the first time
in the video with he and and Cuba that night,
and then the next day he put out another video,
and then the third day or maybe twenty four hours later,
it was him on that that Bo Mattingly ESPN plus
UH show. And I think the reality on this is

(43:56):
the only people you know who really can know if
they think Mike Dundee is sincere in this issue with this,
are his players and the families of his players, because
they're around them, they kind of know. I mean, that's
the thing where it's going to be the test. I
mean I haven't we don't know at least I don't
know if I haven't seen it, what exactly the players

(44:16):
want in terms of the change. Um. But you know,
when you look at this, people can say, well, is
it about it? It It was it just about a shirt?
I mean, you know, two months ago, Mike Gundee, it
was odd for for any football coach to just start
kind of off the cup talking about his you know,
his admiration or feelings for a TV network. You know,

(44:36):
it's just kind of like he went there and then
I think if he hadn't had those comments, I don't
know if the T shirt itself would have would have
sparked what it did. Now, maybe it would have. I
don't know that. But you know, right now, I think
it's it's all TBD on how this stuff revolves. I

(44:57):
don't think anything happens in a vacuum, And so what
do you know, what do the players see out of this?
What do they believe, you know, it's Mike Gunde going
to have more to say about this. I mean, you know,
I think everybody wants you know, it's like everybody wants
one thing. It's either they all want different things, but
that everybody wants you to be either absolutely one way

(45:18):
or absolutely the other way. And sometimes it takes people
a little while to get to that point, especially when
it comes to understanding issues that are that can be complicated, right.
And so I don't I'm interested to see where this
all goes at Oklahoma State because I think a lot
of people are watching, and I think a lot of
players are watching, and there's a lot of stuff that's

(45:39):
gone on. I mean, it's not just I don't think
it's just a T shirt. And I don't think it's
just it's just about politics. I think it's way bigger
than that. I think people try to, especially on social media.
I think people try to to frame it as just
a's about politics and well you feel this way, It's no.
I think it's a lot more than that. And I
think a lot of times the players who are living it,

(46:01):
I think they get that. I don't think they see
it as politics to them. It's be bigger than that. Yeah,
I I do. I do as well. I mean, look,
he's basically unfirable unless you can find cause. And I
guess the cause would be the kids won't play for you, right, Well,
are you saying he's unfirable because they can't it's too
much money? And nobody? I mean, the one thing I

(46:21):
would say is nobody is unfirable, you know, Like, look,
we have seen coaches who had a lot bigger footprint
get fired for all sorts of things in the last
twenty years. So I get what you're saying, but I don't.
I don't know if I would see it as as
directly as well. They can't afford it, so it cannot happen,

(46:44):
I I they can't afford it. It It it it's very
unlikely to happen. Um. I also think, yeah, there's there's
a there's a bunch of Now what about the most
like these old allegations, Um, what's Alfred's him in? Uh
Williams from Alfred Williams who first round pick SEU player
said he dropped an nward And then there's an article

(47:06):
out where the accusation, apparently in eighty nine was set
He said it a bunch of times, and then my
Gundy adwards like, that's not not he said, it's not true.
I had I had never heard of this until uh
Shannon Sharpe talked about it two days ago, and then
Alfred Williams talked about it on his show. Was sent
to me from a friend by a friend of mine
who was listening to his show. Um, I just I

(47:29):
wonder how they handled this, you know, like I said,
in a vacuum, I think it's different. But you know,
in the context of this, I think, you know, people
are gonna see and say, you know what if if
Alfred Williams said, a lot of people, you know, a
lot of teammates and you look back at those stories.
I don't know if it was in the Pulstal world
or I forgot what the other paper was. Maybe it

(47:50):
was this Kansas City Star. But if there were more
people who could corroborate it, it certainly doesn't help like
Undy's reputation in the in the face at this. Um. Yes,
it's thirty years ago, but again, you know, I think
I don't know, I don't I don't know what. You know,
it's a it's a it's an ugly story all the

(48:12):
way through, right, You're you're trying to gauge what is
in somebody's heart or in somebody's head. You know, it's
tough to be in a position to say was he
being sincere when he talked about how disgusted he was
when he found that out. I mean there's a lot
of you know, there's a lot of UM cynics who
would say, you know, how did you not know that
already talked about this network previously in in great detail, um,

(48:38):
and then this other story comes out. I I don't know.
I really don't know. UM. You know, I think it's
up to I really think it's up to the players
as well as probably some of the men who have
been around him. Less it men, I mean it's former
players who who could speak to what they what they
think about whether it's valid or not. I mean, Oklahoma
State has a lot of prominent former football players. I mean,

(49:02):
in one regard, the one big similarity to what happened
at Iowa with the former strength coach Chris Doyle is
you had a guy who you have a guy who
has been at a place for a really long time,
so there are people who know them. This isn't somebody
who kind of was there for three years then moved
on and maybe this is you know, this is a
guy who you know, I mean, what are what are

(49:23):
the Barry Sanders and thurmon Thomas's of the world, you know,
who have big voices and a lot of cloud and
matter exactly what do they think they were teammates? Um?
And I'm sure they you know, I'm sure they followed
this story. What are some of the former my gun,
He's been there a long time, so I think there's
a lot of people who have their opinions on him.

(49:46):
And and I did think it was interesting just when
you know, the Cuba stuff. First one on social media
you saw some former players just as Hill for one,
you know, they they spoke up. Now they spoke up
and they put put us spotlight on it. Um, how
much more, how much more attention and clarity is going
to come from that? I don't know the answer to that.

(50:08):
I guess I was told. I was told a good
portion of the of the the unhappiness was over the
fact that he's just he's just aloof he's just not
you know, they don't feel like they can go in
and have a conversation with him, and this, the wearing
the T shirt is the perfect example of it. It's
like the fact that you but couldn't get ahold of him,

(50:28):
you know immediately, because your best you know, your best
players should have a great relationship with him, and they
don't have a bad relationship there, just he's just not
hasn't built relationships with players, and that's there. That's a huge,
huge issue for the guys that I've been told involved.
And then you know, like it feels like at a
place like Oklahoma State, you have to have a guy

(50:50):
who's above and beyond as a recruiter because the success
and facilities aside. It's a hard place to recruiting comparison
to Texas, comparison to Oklahoma. And if you have this baggage,
they're only going to use it against you. So it's
gonna be absolutely fascinating. All Right, you got work to
do on the U c l A stuff. We'll follow
you on Twitter and on the Athletic. Can't wait to
see on Fox hopefully this fall covering college football. Appreciate

(51:12):
you joining us, Oh my pleasure. Thanks for having me.
Buck
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