Best of The Doug Gottlieb Show: 06/29/2020

Doug Gottlieb talks about Cam Newton signing with the Patriots on a one-year deal and Bill Belichick getting caught in yet another cheating scandal. He says that the NBA’s decision to allow players to add social justice messages to their jerseys will have the desired effect. Plus, appearances by Falcons defensive coordinator Raheem Morris and 49ers kicker Robbie Gould! 

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What Up America, Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio, Coming
to you from the sunny city of Angels Hope you
are having a spectacular Monday. All right. The story of

(00:43):
the day is Cam Newton, who is once again in
the NFL, at least for now with the New England Patriots,
and um I find all parts of this story to
be really really interesting. All part to this story to
be really really interesting. The first is, like, let's not misreported,

(01:05):
it's like a million dollars in change that could be
worth up to seven point five million dollars. It essentially
feels to anyone paying attention like the Jamis Winston deal,
which is brilliant. If one, you have a ton of
money in the bank and you want to bet on yourself,
and two you realize that you could be knighted. You

(01:27):
could be knighted by the Kingdom of Belichick. And as
much as people want to say, hey, what is his
assistants really gone out and done? Look around the NFL
and they're Belichick guys everywhere, obviously in Houston, but there
are others in front offices, there are others in coaching staffs,
and there are plenty plenty sp sprinkled around the league.

(01:50):
And the questions about Cam are really really simple. What
is Cam Newton like in two thousand twenty. I've seen
idiots go, you know, he saw this one play in
two thousand and you're like, Okay, that was seven years ago,
several surgeries ago, several scarves ago for Cam Newton. Look

(02:11):
that there's some weird parts about it, right, Like he
is big on the postgame press conference and what he's wearing,
But in many ways, so is Brady. The styles may
be different, but the attention to detail is very much
the same um and and I'm just interested by it, Like, look,
this is the reason he wasn't in the league, is

(02:34):
the same reason Kaepernick wasn't in the league. And the
same reason lots of these starters fall out of the league.
Are you willing to take pennies and to either fight
for a starting spot or become a viable backup and
rehabilitate your career. That's really what it comes down to.
It's truly, that's simple. And two people who say Cam

(02:59):
Newton won't it in the Patriots sits system. That's the
beauty of the Patriots system is that they changed not
just from season to season, but game to game. I
mean the easiest example of this and Patriot fans and frankly,
I think cult fans know this as well. You go

(03:21):
back a couple of years ago and Tom Brady was
suspended for the first four games of the season, Jimmy
Garoppolo was the starting quarterback, he got hurt and against
the Houston Texans, Jacoby Brissett became the starting quarterback. And
this was Brissett third round pick out of Mississippi State,

(03:42):
and they ran basic high school college zone read, look,
option look, anything to protect him from getting back and
reading a defense. The same can be true from Cam
from Cam Newton. Look, we all want Cam Newton to
be what he was five years ago athletically, he's probably not,
but that doesn't stop the Patriots trumand to use him

(04:03):
some that way. There are few, if any running throwing
quarterbacks who have been as effective as the former league MVP,
and it's a style that traditionally doesn't last. Now, the
other big question is, and it goes back to his body,
what does his throwing mechanics look like, because he tried

(04:23):
to change his mechanics after shoulder surgery to uh below
average results. But it's really hard when you're thirty years
old to relearn how to throw a football. But that's
what he's been doing. And now he's got to learn
an offense without being in meeting rooms, without having O
T A s. We don't know when they'll get to

(04:43):
get back into England and throw the football with teammates.
And to people who think that Cam Newton is absolutely
positively going to be the starting quarterback, says Albert Brier
on The Herd earlier today, I don't think they're gonna
hand the job to Cam Newton. That said, I think
Cam is clearly the favorite for the job. Now they're

(05:06):
gonna make him learning and they basically spent the entire
offseason preparing Jared's did him to be the starter now
on the doorstep of training camp. They're giving him competition.
They can continue to develop him. Maybe he wows you.
If he doesn't, you've got a great answer for right now.
And either way, you're throwing multiple darts of the dark board.
Don't forget that's how the Seahawks found Russell Wilson, right.

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People forgot. People forgot that Matt Flynn was signed to
a three year deal light on the money. They drafted
Russell Wilson in the third round. Russell Wilson straight up
beat him out, and Jared's did him should have the
upper hand because he knows the system as opposed to
Cam Newton, who's playing a couple of different systems, most

(05:50):
recently North Turner system in Carolina. But this the jargon,
the lingo, the depth of playbook knowledge is gonna be
completely different. I I understand that we're gonna sit here
and go, what a former m v P. But look,
there are lots of former m vps in the National
Football League. Matt Ryan is It's not like he's gonna

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lose his job, Lamar Jackson. I've told you most people
in the NFL just don't know how long that style lasts.
And Cam Newton, who is the biggest, baddest, strongest dude
to ever play that way and his body broke down.
No one knows what Cam Newton really looks like as
a football player. Don't give me the highlight videos on Instagram.

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Don't give me what his people say or what he
screams to this Instagram cameras. Bill Belichick is paying a
million dollars to get a good look to challenge his
young quarterback. And if you think that a young unknown
quarterback can't beat out a well known, you know, borderline

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Hall of Fame starter, I give you New England Patriots
because that's what happened when Drew Bledsoe got bench when
he came back. So Cam hasn't been healthy in a
couple of years, struggles to stay healthy. Not really a
fit for how the Patriots have played, although they can
usually adjust to how they want to play. Stidhams should
have the upper hand because he knows the system. And

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a million dollars for Cam Newton is a great chance
to take a look. It costs you basically nothing to
try him out, and if it hits great, and if
it doesn't they move on? Do people remember that it
wasn't just Antonio Brown. Albert Haynesworth and others have been

(07:39):
rehab projects to some success Randy Moss and others, and
some failure Albert Haynesworth. So, if Cam Newton was right,
if he's fully healthy, if you can throw a football
right right, but Canny learn a new system? Can he

(08:01):
be accurate with his new throwing motion? Can he pick
it up without O? T A S? And does Jared's
Did him have that ability to take his game to
another level when he's challenged by somebody, not just like
Brian Hoyer, but also by Cam Newton. I'd agree it's
not a locked up sinch anyway. Well, I can't believe
how little they paid him. You're worth what someone's willing

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to pay you. And the Patriots said, hey, man, if
you win the job, you're a starter. You're gonna make
seven point five million. You got played in the bank.
You end up benefiting twice twofold threefold. Becoming a free
agent again next year makes total sense to me. Be
sure to catch the live edition of The Doug gott

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Leap Show weekdays at three p m. Easter noon Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio ah
app Rahee Morris joins us in the Doug Gotlip Show
on Fox Sports Radio. Remember he was the head coach
of the Tampa Bay Tampa Bay Buccaneers for a couple
of seasons and it's been a part of the Falcons
since two thousand and fifteen. Now their defensive coordinate. You're

(09:03):
joined us in the Doug Gotlip Show on Fox Sports Radio. Grhea,
Most importantly, how are you Are you healthy? Doug? I'm
doing great. Um. I've been able to get away to
be at my family. UM, being smart, safe and social
distancing man, just trying to this thing like everybody else.
What's this been like for you? For people who haven't
didn't follow your career. You know, you finish up playing

(09:23):
at Hofstra, You've become a grad assistant from their Cornell
Hofstra and then off to the NFL where you spent
essentially your entire professional life. To actually have time this
much time at home, what has it been like? I
don't know if it's been tough on me, but has
it really been tough on my kids and probably my wife?

(09:44):
Uh for the most part, man having us around this
as much they're not used to. Um, it's been a
great offseason. I've been able to take advantage of it
and be around my kids as much as I have
been able to to enjoy their time and enjoy all
the time out in the backyard with these guys and
do some different things that we're not gonna be able
to do at this time all of the year. UM,
it's really been fun. Um The extra family time has

(10:04):
been great. UM. The way you found out how to
get your work done now through the virtual world and
between Microsoft Teams and Zoom and TeamWorks and all the
different apps that you have and um ways you can
get things done. I mean, it's been really productive off
season for the Falcons. Um, and it's been really good
for me personally. What what happened you guys? Um, it

(10:26):
was about mid year and things were going poorly, and
all of a sudden, you guys decide, all right, we're
gonna do like a complete shuffle, right, offensive guys coaching defense,
defensive guys coaching offense. Obviously, because you had been the
assistant head coach, your role starts to kind of evolve
and adjust. What were those conversations like when you guys

(10:48):
made the switch mid season last year. Uh. Fortunately because
of our relationships, relationships between my head coach, relationship with
our general manager owners uh um um, the relationship between
all of our other coaches. It made it sort of seamless.
And I know it's hard to say when you got
a guy that had defensive background, moved the offense and

(11:11):
now in the middle of the season being asked to
move back to defense. Um. Thanks for Jeff Obrick, Um,
Jerome Henderson, Chad Walker and Jeff Simpson and some of
the guys that were there, Doug Mallory and begetting anybody
land show. Because all the other guys we had, it
made it seamless. Um. So we're able to go back
over into put my input in along with Aden and

(11:33):
all those other guys, and and and be getting the
help that I was able to get. It made it
somewhat easy for me to move and make the transition
during the middle of the season because of those guys.
It had nothing to do with with myself. It had
more to do with Dan Quinn and his vision and
what he saw to get the different eyes on it, um,
to get a different viewpoint. Um. It got us a
six and two records. It got us another opportunity to

(11:55):
go in two thousand twenty and take a crack at it. Man. Yeah,
it just seemed like new energy with the team. Is
that fair? You know? Uh, from the outside looking in,
you have to say that, Um. But from inside out,
we didn't lose our energy. We just didn't get everything
clicking the way we need to get it click. We
weren't playing complimentary football the way we needed to do. Um.
Some of our head coaches visions were not coming out

(12:17):
the way he saw them. UM. And we got over
that side of the ball and allowed him to focus
on team. It allowed myself, Jeff Obrick UM and our
guys to focus on the defense, and allowed Dirt Cutter
UM and those guys to focus on the offense, and
allow us special teams coach to focus on special teams.
And then gave Dan Coin a chance to really pull
it all together and allow us to play complimentry football together. Um.

(12:38):
And the results showed. Um. It came out and it
was in good fashion. UM. And it was enough that
our owner gave Quinnie and myself and our staff another
crack at it. How much how hard is it? Like? Look,
I'm from a family of basketball coaches, and in basketball
they always say like, hey, toughest move ever is at
eighteen inches from assistant coach to head coach. I would

(13:00):
challenge people and say moving back that other eighteen inches
is pretty tough. It's not just hard on you, but
Dan Quinneguy you compete with in the in the division
right like UM and and competed with you know, went
back when he was in Seattle. How what does that
move like to have a guy who at a very
young age you got to coach in that division and

(13:20):
now you have to take orders? Okay, you you offer
great perspective because you've you've had that job before. You
understand all of that, Like what what is what is
that like for you? Specifically the move to being an
assistant coach in the same division where you're a head coach.
You know, it was really good for me. The opportunity
to coach with Dan Corn I couldn't turn down. UM.

(13:43):
We coached me in college. We coached together in college
at hofstra Um. We had a long history. UM. So
when I got a chance to go back UM leaving
the Redskins UM that year and go back to coach
in a division UM that I was in spent a
lot of time the industrself the most fixteen years now believe,
But um, it was fun. Um. I cherish division. I
love the division, I love being in it. I love

(14:03):
the competitiors, competitives about the division. Um, it's fun to
be a part of. And having a chance to go
coach with that guy at that time was the right
move for me. And uh so getting chance to go
down there, I was fired up. I'm coming to building
being a passing game coordinator, working alongside with Richard Smith.
We have success that year, finishing the season pretty good,
going eight and eight, and then the next year two

(14:24):
than sixteen, moving over to offense and helping Cal Shanahan
and some of those guys and Matt Ryan coaching Julio
Jones and making a Super Bowl run. Um, it's been
a lot of fun. It really has been. Roight he
Morris showing us in the Doug got Lip Show here
on Fox Sports Radio. How how odd is it to
look up and see Tom Brady as a quarterback of

(14:47):
your now rival Tampa Buccaneers. It's really hard to uh
to see Tom playing in Tampa, especially um still having
a home they're considering Tampa part of my home and
my family's home. It's really hard, uh to see that
guy go to that that that system as soon as
they can do this year. Um. But you know we're
talking about a future Hall of Famer that we all respect. Um.

(15:11):
And you know, fortunately I don't have to worry about
Tom until about week fifteen seventeen and the Stephen he'll
get and he'll give me a good body of work
or what I need to study one who look at
or of that to success. And and you know, I
hate to point this out, but you're part of that
that super Bowl team. I mean the defense was magnificent
for a three quarter he looked bewildered, and the offense

(15:33):
was it was was probably too good. Well obviously with
with Kyle Shanahan where you guys didn't want to take
your your foot off the pedal. Uh. It is. It's
really interesting how life comes full circle. Um. Hey, um,
what do you think about of the Cam Newton sunning
oh man, you know and has always been a guy
to respect it. Uh. For a couple of things. It's

(15:55):
competitive and it's toughness. I'm talking about a six five
guy about two almost two towns who can run. Um,
he's really brought a character to the Carolina Panthers, a
certain demeanants of those guys. For over the last couple
of years, I've been I've been outstanding. Um to see
him go because it's right now a free agency. Um,
not being to get physically do some of those things. Um,

(16:17):
you're wishing nothing but but the best of the Patriots. UM.
And I'm pried up for the young man to go
somewhere else and trought his new chapter. But um, he
certainly was a terror of the game plan for and
unfortunately enough we're not to deal with him for a
long time either. Won't be pretty happy. Yeah, Ray Morris
joining us in the Doug Outlip Show on Fox Sport Trader.
There's been a lot of talk about the paucity the

(16:38):
lack of of black head coaches. You've gotten an opportunity,
obviously only for a couple of years. I'm sure. Um,
those those other additional opportunities are waiting if you guys
can get this thing rolling in it Atlanta. But as
somebody who's been through it, right, who's somebody, this is
a life that you've actually lived, right, taking jobs out
of college, you know, go onto Tampa at a very

(17:01):
young age in your twenties and working your way up,
How can there be more Raheem Morris's and get more
opportunities to coach at the highest level, not just head
coach in the NFL, but but coordinator positions as well.
You know, Um, we got a summit quarterback summon um
about a week ago at this point that Doug Williams

(17:22):
and the Black House. What that cause? I was same through.
I'm along with Troy Vincent and you know, uh Commission
of Codell was there and a bunch of owners, A
couple of owners were there, and a bunch of people
sitting around having the same discussions. And I think it's
just a matter of time, um, you know, and we're
at the point now where we're shown and people are
swing this. They're certainly capable of taking these jobs and

(17:43):
getting these jobs. For myself personally, I got the job
at a very young age. I'm thirty two years old.
I believe Doug we're the same age. Thank you're forty four.
I think I'm forty four and teen years ago, I
was a different person. I was a different human. I
was a different coach um. And right now, the only
thing that I can do for my So do the
best job I can do, deepon the coordinated the Atlanta
Southings and put myself in those shoes the game and

(18:06):
when it happened. I'm from a good friend of mine
that there's a different between being ready and prepared and
the next time it's happened, I'll be prepared. Yeah. I mean,
like listen, Bill Belichick was the greatest first time around.
He seems that he seems to have been prepared the
second time around. And you know, you gotta be a
little bit lucky. You gotta get get healthy. Sometimes you
gotta have a lack of health in the division that
you gotta have the right owner of the right gm um.

(18:28):
There's there's all different sorts of factors. If you were
to and I'm sure you discussed this with the commissioner
and with Doug Williams, if you were to say, hey, raheem,
how can we make the Rooney rule? Because just just
so you know, I actually liked the Rooney rule because
you know, the perfect example is you're coaching with Dan Quinn,
who you played for in college. So much sports is
like any other bus about relationships, right, but you have

(18:51):
to establish that initial relationship, the initial conversation between GM
and rising coach and give guys a seat at the
table to show who they are if they're not in house,
to to where this coach is. So I like the
idea of the ruining worle, but obviously it's not perfect.
I'm not sure we can find a perfect way. If
you were to make some addendums to it, what would

(19:12):
it be, you know, I'm not sure about making the addendum. UM.
I do think we wanted we all wanted to be better.
I do think UM providing opportunities to get people to
sit in front of our owners and get and get
in front of the owners to interview from these jobs
and the g ms and always have different types of people. UM.
I think it started there for getting in front and
to show that you're a strong communicator, you're a fundamental teacher,

(19:34):
and also you have respect for the game. I think
so the key qualities that we've got to be able
to show and we get those opportunities in front of
those people. And when those things happen, the more it happens,
I think, the more opportunities will get. UM. I look
forward to the next opportunity, just like I know a
bunch of other people do um, and when it happened,
you get ready to present yourself at the highest level.
Right Morris, defense Coordina Atlanta Falcons, join us. I wanna

(19:55):
talk a little football here. Okay, we talked, uh we
we talked with so many other head coaches and assistant
coaches about trends in the In the NFL, you have
Lamar and what they're doing in Baltimore. I think the
Chargers may do a little bit of that. We'll see
what happens in New England. Then you have in your division,
You've got Tampa where you know, Tom's a guy that

(20:17):
always likes to get rid of it quick, going into
a system where they want to throw the ball deep
down the field. Um, how much different is you You
were the when you were the head coach of the Falcons.
You're the means of the Buccaneers. You were the defensive
coordineer as well as the head coach. How much different
our defenses now as opposed to going back five years ago?

(20:37):
How much evolution has there been on the defensive side
of the football. You know, with a bunch um and
for us, you always gotta go out and you've got
to study people and what they're doing, and you gotta
get ready for those upcoming opponents. The beauty the NFL
is the parody. Um. It's a different versions of offense
and defense and different divisions and how people work and
how you build your team to win a division, please

(20:57):
compete at the highest level, and you got get ready
of those things. But I think ultimately, you know when
you go out and you're talking about coaching defense in
this league, you've been ready for everything. You better have
an answer, or you better have people around you that
can give you some of those answers or help you
get to those answers in order to be ready to
be prepared or for the very best, because that's gonna
see every single week, and that's what we look forward

(21:18):
to doing. It goes back to your identity and what
is your identity? What do you want to do, How
do you want to affect the quarterback, how do you
want to get the ball back? And how do you
ultimately want to stop people from be able to run
the football in you and win those rundown situations. That's
that's that's how we want to look at and we're
talking about deeper perspective, right Morris showing us In the
Doug Otlips show on Fox Sports Trading, you mentioned all

(21:38):
the Zoom meetings, the Microsoft team meetings as well. UM,
how how do you prepare for a season when you
don't have the like? How much more challenging is it?
You know, I don't want to go out and other
land and say we have the best virtual off season
of all time. I think that gets thrown out a
little bit too much. I will say this, we've taken advance.

(22:00):
It's as a staff UM, as a as as a
as a building, UM, from a player standpoint, from the
coaching standpoint, from a scouting standpoint. At a high level, UM,
guys were attentive. We got a chance to enjoy someone.
We've got chance to meet people, got chance to zoom
people in UM. We got a chance to be with
other guys living in coaches to visiting players, to fomer players,

(22:22):
to the current issues UM, to be able to talk
about it with our teams, give a chance to bond
and get closer, to slow down the lesson plans because
you're not practicing, to get him out there, and ultimately
gave him a chance to teach us back and hopefully
when we get on the field, all those things show
because that's the ultimate test. That's well, that's that's basically
what it all boys down to. Um. What what's you

(22:43):
mentioned your time at home and how it it can
wear your wife out. It does give you a chance
to sit down with your family and have some deep,
meaningful discussions about what we're seeing across our country. What
are your discussions like with your family? You know it's
been it's a pretty easy in my family. Um, talking
about a mixed family here, you know, UM, my children

(23:05):
are gonna grow up mixed, They're gon have to make decisions.
We're gonna be able to teach him so that they're
first starting your home and deal with the social injustice
and what's going on in your home and talk about it,
be really cleared, make the message Clear's about education, teaching
them some of the great things that we're able to do,
some of the great things already been done. Um. The
lesson started a long time ago in my home, in

(23:26):
nine when my grandmother was born. And she was a
strong black woman back then and became a a teacher
and supported her family and that left us all with
no excuses. And that's the general theme in my household is.
There's no excuses ever gonna be laid out there for anyone.
We're all gonna go out there, We're gonna give our
best efforts at it at all times. Ray Man can

(23:47):
congrats on getting the d C job. I know you
and Dan I have a great relationship. Can't wait to
see your team when you finally get back on the field.
Take care of that family, and thank you so much
for joining us on Fox Sports Radio, No problem anytime.
Be sure to match the live edition of The Doug
gott Leap Show weekdays at three p m. Easter noon Pacific.
I saw this story and I thought it's one of

(24:08):
those that on the surface, you're trying to do the
right thing, alright, but this is a lot like Lebron
James's barbershop show. Here's the story from Gabriel Fernandez. As
a result of an agreement between the NBA and the
nba PA, that's a player Association, players participating the upcoming

(24:30):
season restart will be allowed to replace the last name
in the back of their jerseys with a statement on
social justice. Sham Sharania of The Athletic report of this
news late Saturday night. Another reporter report from Brad Turner
points out that the move is being done in conjunction
with Nike, who serves as the athletic Weare sponsor of
the NBA. In recent years, the NBA and its players

(24:51):
been quick to adopt relevant aesthetics in the face of
social injustice around the country being in the national consciousness,
particularly two black Americans following the death of Eric Gardner,
of course, Lebron James, Kobe Bryant, Kyrie Irving all where
I can't breathe shirts that's Gardner's final words. Players have
also been vocal in the recent deaths of both George

(25:13):
of George Floyd, Brianta H. Taylor and Ahmad Aubrey are Berry.
That's that's that one. I just that's a hard one.
I mean, they're all awful to watch and terrible stories.
Nike has pushed to attach anti racism message to its advertising,
creating commercial that encourages viewers not to ignore the problem

(25:34):
of systematic racism in America in the wake of George
Floyd's death. Well, NBA teams can have multiple iterations of
their jerseys for the season. The name plate plate is
often left untouched. Okay, so what they're saying is like, hey,
if you want to have Brianna Taylor's name on the
back of your jersey, you can. That's a good thing.

(25:56):
It's an absolute tragedy. What happened to that young woman
in Louis right, she was in a house, they had
a no knock warrant, They bust in and she gets shot.
And to this point, I don't believe the officers have
been charged. Right, Um, we've all seen the George Floyd
murder and that that police officer will get his day

(26:22):
in court. But that's obviously kind of the tipping point
in so many of these these protests. But here's the thing.
This is really important, and we're gonna put this out
on social media and that's great, okay, because I want
you to take a breath and understand what this means.

(26:43):
No one is pro racism. Okay. You can tell me
that the that the k k K is and come on, man,
that's a very small minority of people. It's not give
them the time of day or think that they're involved
in this discussion. I would say point five of Americans

(27:09):
are anti white supremacist. Take kake. I would hope I
can tell you that I assurely. Am. Everyone I know
is white, black, Hispanic, Asian, doesn't really matter. So they
don't actually get a a a part of this discussion
because what I'm gonna say would lead you to believe

(27:30):
that they could. But they can't because what they do
is hate speech. They should be labeled a terrorist group
very simply. Why they haven't yet, I don't understand. Somebody's
gonna have to explain that to me in very simple words.
I'm not smart enough apparently to understand how hate speech
is allowed now. They've always been allowed to demonstrate. I
do believe that while it's constitutionally allowed. I think it

(27:55):
would be different if if they're a terrorist group. Would
they be constituted out or protected police officers? I don't know.
But the only difference now is that small marches and
demonstrations are made to seem bigger because of social media.
Is one of the one of the downsides of social media.
It's not it's a very, very small, I believe, I believe,

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minority of people. But to the rest of the world, Okay,
there's three million people. Let's say, to the three sensible,
reasonable people who just want their kids to grow up
in a safer better place? What what? What do we

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deem to be a social justice message? Because the way
that free speech actually works is you're allowed to say,
I want social justice reform and I want those cops charged. Hey,
if you're putting messages that are on one side, like okay,

(29:05):
are you allowed to put Trump on the back of
your jersey? Now? I wouldn't because not only do I
not support some of his policies, I don't support many
of the things that he has said and almost all
of the things that he has tweeted. Right, But I

(29:26):
can tell you that sixty million people did vote for him,
and not every human being that voted for him is
a racist. And some black people did vote for him,
not huge strong numbers, And there was a there was, uh,
I believe some a recent piece of legislature that just passed.
Now I don't know how strong it is. I haven't.

(29:48):
I don't do that for a living. In terms of
looking at the reform, the social justice reform that was passed,
the problem becomes if you say, all right, you can
put whatever you want on the back of your jersey, right,
You're you're gonna you're gonna end up not actually offering

(30:10):
up free speech. You should be anti racism, You should
be anti death of any human being that doesn't need
to die in the streets. Right, we should be pro education,
pro jobs, pro you know, pro working together. But I

(30:31):
think you have to offer up the possibility that your
search for social justice, right, your search for Jose's justice
from your perspective, is the only way. But that's not
actually the way it works. That's not what works. Like

(30:52):
I live in a highly republican area. Are there some
people that I don't agree with many of the thing
as they say? Of course there are. But you know what,
as long as it doesn't infringe upon the rights of
everybody else, they are very much allowed to say it.
That's the way it works. And are we going to
do that with the back of the NBA jerseys? And

(31:15):
we can sit there and go like, well, none of
those guys think that, I don't know that, none of
them thinking I don't, I don't know. I would guess
no one's going to put anything pro Trump, pro right
or center right sort of messages. Of course, of course
they wouldn't. That can hurt the league on some level.

(31:39):
It becomes an echo chamber, which is the biggest issue
I have with Lebron James's barbershop show. It's shot cool.
There's some funny stories, there's some interesting perspectives, but there
is no counter perspective, right, there's no count like and look,
this has nothing to do as also justice. But when

(32:01):
Lebron James on the shop says, that's what I knew,
I was the greatest player of all time when I
came back to beat when we came back against the
Warriors down three games to one, there was nobody who's
ever sat in that shop. There's like, come on, man,
Mike's better than you or Mike never lost, right, never
lost and says like, yeah, Lebron, you the greatest. Yeah, yeah,
that was great. No one's disputing that was great. That

(32:23):
was a herculean effort and there are many people who
would agree with that. Lebron James not only is the greatest,
but that was the greatest comeback in the history of sport.
I'm okay, if you want to argue those points, that
doesn't mean I have to agree with you. And I
have a different perspective for you, a different perspective for you.

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So I get what the Players Association wants to do,
but there actually has to be at least an option
there to have some form of your own opinion. You
can't just have echo chambers. You know, yes, you want
justice for Brianda Taylor, right, she by all accounts, she

(33:08):
wasn't anyone doing anything wrong. You don't ever want to
have happened whatever happened to George Floyd in that street
in Minneapolis. Right, there's two different um not obitraries. What
do they call when they when they examine the body,
two different two different autopsies. I don't I mean, ultimately,

(33:30):
in the court of law, it will say what the
actual try to determine what he actually died from. But
the fact that the cops sitting on his neck for
eight minutes and forty six seconds is unacceptable. It's unacceptable,
not how we treat other human beings. And you know,
you've seen some policy changes, and obviously cops are gonna
give her to the chokehold, and you don't sit and

(33:51):
stand on somebody's carotid ardery on their neck. There are
other ways to police people, but not every form of Like,
I don't agree with some of these statues that are
trying to be toppled or have been toppled and even

(34:13):
if I agree with them being toppled, there is a
process that we should be able to go through. We
got election coming up, knowing right, get a petition, get
on the ballot, vote, and most people go, you know what,
it's out. I don't know why the rebel fla the

(34:33):
Confederate flag was part of Mississippi state flag, and I'm
really happy that it's off the flag. But I I
also part of me is like they it did go
through the state and through the House. It went through
the proper channels. You didn't have people just you know,
burning flags and bringing them down, and obviously was because
of all the political pressure, and I just I can't

(34:55):
believe it took him this long to do. So those
are the process, This is which you should go through.
But the point is that whatever your soul su justice reform,
whatever your message you want on the back of the jersey,
the NBA is either going to simply put out all
the messages from Black Lives Matter and that movement. And
there are some that questioned the leadership and what the

(35:17):
ultimate goal of that movement is because if you just
look at it on the surface of the statement black
Lives matter, of course I agree, black lives absolutely matter.
Now what are we gonna do about it? But if
you're gonna put statements on the back of your jersey,
is any statement? Okay, obviously you don't want to do

(35:37):
what John Morant did. He apologized for it. But is
somebody allowed to put anyone? You know, like if you're
a Ben Shapiro guy, if you're a Trump guy, you know,
if you're a whoever, whoever, a leader is of any

(35:58):
sort of movement, are you allowed to do that? You know,
you can't curate it, like it's a Twitter timeline. You
can't do that. And that's not actually the way that
free speech works, where you like, hey, this is how
I want it to be done. Okay, I have another idea.
Let's talk about it. But but I fear what takes

(36:23):
place end of the day, does it really matter? Probably not,
Probably not um But I I just think that the
n b A in an effort to show free speech
and a willingness for allowing players to speak their mind,
to feel more part of the process of social change,

(36:44):
which they should. I do think that they're not actually
doing that because there are plenty of names, sayings, groups,
organizations that you can never put on the back of
a jersey, even though they're completely legal. They don't terrorize others,
they don't infringe upon the rights of any other human being.
It's just we're supposed to be a country where you

(37:05):
do our offered free thought, right, left, center, Republican, libertarian,
whatever else, Green Party, whatever you you want. Yeah, are
you allowed to write there is no God in the
back of your jersey? What what if you put Praise

(37:25):
be to Allah, which that's just praise be to God.
If you're a Muslim, we allowed to do that. People
would be uncomfortable with it. It's free speech. It's not
infringing upon others, right Like, oh, I didn't think I
didn't think of it that way. That's kind of the
way it works. You know what if somebody puts free

(37:45):
Hong Kong on the back of a Nike made jersey,
that's social justice. It's not social justice in our country,
it's also justice in the world. Are you allowed to
put the back of new jersey? Right? That? That has
nothing to do with Donald Trump? So I this is
one of those that's the law of unintended consequences, the

(38:09):
intended consequences. To allow players to speak their mind because
the fear is from many players that when you're in
the bubble, nobody ever hears you, nobody ever sees you.
You can't be a part of these marches. You can't
be part of the change that you want in your
own communities. But are we going to limit the free

(38:30):
speech of said players in the back of their jerseys.
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three p m. Easter noon Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app.
Robbie Gould knows this, I guarantee, I guarantee. Did you
know any of those goonies? Have you seen goonies? Robbie? Absolutely, Okay,

(38:51):
it was the Fatalities, right, and they were driving a
they were driving a jeep and had the bullet holes
and chunks and and and and then I'm not making
this one up. That time Goody's is an all time classic,
is it not? No doubt? You know what. Here's the thing.
I got three kids, six four and twenty one month.
We have Disney Plus on our TV NonStop. Yes, kind

(39:11):
of crazy, but um, that is one thing I can't
tell you. It's kind of unique to watch these guys
either sing the soundtracks or even them quoting the movies.
It's pretty fun. Yeah, my kids, My kids are now.
I have twin fourteen year olds and an eleven year old,
and they've never actually seen the bad parts of Lion
King because back when they were little it was on
the DVD and we just skip over the part where

(39:33):
you know, the uncle Scar sets up his brother and
blames it on the son. We're like, yeah, let's just
skip over that one and get to Hakuna Mataa. You
don't even know it exists. Robbie Gould joining us in
the Doug Gotlip Show. What's this? I mean? Obviously, off
seasons for kickers um aren't nearly as arduous as some

(39:54):
position guys. But to have this much of an off season,
this much time at home, what's it been like for you?
It's been awesome. Obviously, this is my second year in
a row. Last year was because of the franchise holdout
franchise tags, So for me, I was It's kind of
interesting because I had already known what I was gonna do.
I'd already had my plan put in place before COVID

(40:15):
it hit. So the uh, the workouts, the training virtual
all that kind of stuff that never really dissipated at all.
What was difficult here in Illinois is that you couldn't
go to like a park and you wanted to respect
the roles of you know, social distancing and keeping out
of public places and things like that. So finally I
had my kids outside with their arms together kicking it

(40:37):
through the uprights in my backyard. So, um, that was
a little challenging. But other than that, has been awesome
to be home. Obviously, I've spent for the last four
years away from my kids a good portion of the year,
so they're want to spend that extra family time. Has
been awesome. It's definitely been chaotic, but um, it's definitely
fun to be able to be home. Well you listen,
you honestly, I know you have little ones or whatever,

(40:57):
but none of us are really that sympathetic because you
didn't have three in school, right like you have three
in school, you know, doing their school on zoom, and
you become essentially the facto teacher, like you know, call
me when you have to be the teacher, the home
school teacher as well as the alright, so one, give
me the one thing that you never would have thought
that you ever would be doing that you did during quarantine.

(41:19):
You know, it's great. I married, um my wife was
a former teacher, so like she did most of the schooling.
I would sit here and help if my kids were
doing at the same time because they did different zoom links. Um.
What was interesting is when we got into the off
season program, I was literally sitting next to my kids.
I was having meetings and they were doing schooling. So
it's like the three of us and you know, online

(41:42):
education classes, which is kind of unique. But um, I
think you know, for us, it was in the beginning,
was just trying to find some sort of schedule and
boundaries to um what they needed. UM. You know, obviously
they're upset as they couldn't be around their their classmates,
but I think once they kind of get in their routine,
they made everything a little bit easier. Um. We listen,

(42:02):
we were doing anything from big and cookies to have
them followed directions, making muffins. They were working out um
with me so that they got their gym class in.
I mean, we try to make it as normal as possible,
but obviously, you know, UM, things are around or unprecedented truthfully,
and it's you know, it's great to see everyone over

(42:22):
the last couple of months come together as a nation
and do something really special, um to help everybody out.
Robbie Gould joining us. By the way, He's got a
web series called Kicking It with Robbie. Robbie talks with
a variety of friends, personalities, and sports industries and beyond.
I know you launched it during quarantine. Your personal story
is a really really interesting one, right. Grew up in Pennsylvania,
you walk on and Penn State. Um. Obviously now because

(42:47):
of what we learned before you played there, what happened
to Penn State? People look at Penn State football very
very differently than how I think I looked at it, right,
Like that was in my early days of covering collegian
sports and playing college boards, and had friends that played
basketball there as well, back when I went to the
Sweet sixteen boy Joe Crispin and his brother John. Um.

(43:08):
What what what is your last memory of playing football
for Joe paternal and Penn State. Well back up just
a little bit. You know, I wasn't even supposed to
come into training camp my freshman year. I was supposed
to try to potentially come in when the school years
started or tried a great shirt. I gotta call a
couple of weeks before training camp to come in and
compete for the job. Um. And then two or three

(43:29):
games into my freshman season, I was kicking in collegiate sports.
So it was a little bit of a whirlwin for me.
I mean, you know, I feel really bad for the victims.
I feel that it's terrible that it happened, UM, and
that anybody has to go through any of that. UM.
You know, obviously it's it's a great institution. UM. You know,
you would hope that there will be things process is

(43:52):
put in place to manage and maintain those UM. You know,
I had a great experience playing there. We weren't very
good when I was there, but I grew up thirty
five minutes from there. My family got to watch all
my games, UM, and it felt right at home for me.
So for me, I had an amazing experience. UM. And
you know, I want to point out that the second

(44:13):
you left, they got good again. I just I don't
know how many people know that, but you guys are
four and seven, and then the second you leave eleven
and one. Yeah, it beat Origin Bowl. I mean I
don't know. I mean, like I know that there was
some that the recruiting pick back up and it changed
the level of dudes out there. But there is a
bit of a correlation. Robbie Gould goes on and and

(44:34):
Penn State. So you get you get done, Okay, you
go from being a walk on to being a really
good kicker. Um, then what happened. I went to New
England as an undrafted free agent, and truly that is
what catapulted my career and a completely different atmosphere. I'm
literally learning from the They're coming off the Super Bowl. Uh,

(44:56):
they'd just beat Carolina Panthers in Houston, and I was
learning from Bill Belichick. I was learning from Madam Minitary,
Monty Packs and Josh Miller. Brad Two's one of the
best special teams coaches in all of NFL history. Um.
And then you know, you just got to see that
winning at one Super Bowl not great. I think this
was probably their third. Um that it wasn't enough. Whatever

(45:19):
he did last year wasn't good enough. And Bill he
made it very known that he didn't care how much
money you made and didn't care what your college accomplishments were.
He didn't care that you were an All Pro of
the year before. Everyone had a job to do and
he needs to start over. Um. And then just the
attention to details. I mean, I was able to learn
so much about football in situations, and um, you know

(45:43):
that really helped me catapult my career to see the
NFL on a completely different light. Um. Then I get
caught for outa minitary, which obviously is a Hall of Famer,
so I knew up was coming. Um. Went to the
practice squad for a couple of weeks with Baltimore, and
then I got signed by the Chicago bary Is after
being cut there and um within Chicago for eleven years,

(46:04):
and uh, you're you're skipping over. Didn't you have a
construction job in between? Like, didn't you like, hey, this
might not be for me. I gotta make some money,
And you went, did you have a construction job? After that?
I work? Yeah, I work construction for a buddy of
mine in the summers back in college and high school.
And uh, I needed a job, but I couldn't like
go tell an employer, hey, like, let me start working,

(46:26):
but I might leave in a week. So um, my
buddy who had a construction company in my hometown needed
some extra set of hand so UM. I ended up
helping him out UM and I was able to leave.
I was actually doing some field work and I ended
up moving into the office to do some stuff because
I have a business management background. And I got a

(46:46):
call from the Bears and I hung up on them
three times because like, how do they know where my
employe is like, like, you don't put that on any application,
or your agent doesn't truly know a whole lot um.
You know that's like that's like that's that's like in
member Major League, right, yeah, uh uh, you know, hey,
what do you think about managing the big club? I

(47:07):
don't know, Charlie. I got a guy on the other
line about some white walls. I get back to you, right,
that's you, Robbie, Like this is the Chicago Bears. They'd
like you to try to be a kicker. You know, listen,
we we gotta get this forklift out to this job site.
And I'm not wearing the proper doctors here, So can
I call you? Can I call you? Call you? But
you you hung up. I didn't even give them the chance.
They're like, this is the Chicago Bears on the gas

(47:28):
funny h And I hung up on him, like I
didn't even give him a chance to tell me what
they were trying to do. He's like, why would anybody
be calling me from my construction job? Who only my parents?
My agents? Like, my agent has my cell phone number,
so my cell phone had never rang, so my agent
will call him, like, hey, the Bears. So finally the
Bears called my agent, which I have no idea how

(47:49):
they got the construction number. Um, They're like, hey, you
need to get on a plane. I was like, yeah, sure,
tell me what time. So I was going to plan
like seven o'clock landing in Chicago for a try out
with um, you know a handful of other guys and
actually know I was kicking in Cleveland that Sunday. It
was pretty wild, tridday. The Sunday was an absolute whirlwind.
Why and I know you made Pro Bowls and obviously

(48:11):
you got a chance to you know, kick in the
Super Bowl. Um, why has is there such a connection
with Bear fans and you? Right, Like, I've just give
me your own sense. I mean, I know you still
live there and you had a lot of success there
and they have They've struggled. They had the double jink obviously,
and they've they've struggled since you left. But why because

(48:32):
you're kind of like kicker. God, They're like what Vinitary
is in New England, you're that guy in Chicago. Why
do you think that is? I just think that there's
a level of respect that I have for this city
and that the fans have for me, and that will
never go away. I have a love for this place.

(48:52):
And it's not anything against the forty Niners, nothing against
the Giants, because I've made the playoffs with both of them.
I played the Super Bowl of the fortys, like I
have nothing at and those teams nothing. It's those fan bases,
Like I'm the all time leading score in Chicago Bears history,
and like my wife's from here, my kids grew up here,
They're gonna stay here, like, and I think that resonates
with them, you know. And I do a lot to

(49:14):
get back into the community. Um My wife and I
you know, make it that our kids need to learn,
um to help each other out and to to give
back to others and you know, be a part of
the community in a different way. And I just think
that that resonates with everybody. And I think all the
fans here know how much I love them, and um,

(49:35):
you know, the truly that's never gonna go away. And
one day when I'm done playing, I'm gonna retire Chicago Bear,
and um, whatever happens between now and when that retirement
time comes, obviously we're still trying to write a resume
and Chicago will always be where my heart is. Did
you did you think you had him in the Super
Bowl this year? You know it's interesting, Um, we had

(49:58):
a great team. We have played really well all year long,
even amongst games against Atlanta where I think we had
a six or seven eight starters out your pro bowled players, Um,
and you know, came down to the wire, and I
think those are games that we needed as a team
to kind of Cata pulled us into the final game

(50:20):
against Seattle making that same exact play, not making the
same mistakes. Um, you know, I thought we had a
great chance against a great team and I thought, you know,
it was going to be a shootout, which he came
down to be. And UM, it's gonna sting for a while,
you know. It's I've watched it the other night again
for like the fourth or fifth time, and you know
we didn't punt until the fourth quarter, like nine minute marks,

(50:42):
and I didn't really realize that at the time. Um,
But we have played pretty efficiently throughout the game. Um,
we just didn't make enough plays down the stretch, and
they made the plays that they needed to get back
in the game and go ahead, and you know, we
didn't capitalize on some of our opportunities. But I also
know that it's a very young team with a young
corps with a lot of upside um, and we're gonna

(51:05):
have to work even harder to get back because it's
not like we're taking anybody by surprise this year. Everyone
knows that we're a good football team. And um, I
think John and Kyle in New York Family did a
great job of being patient to put a team together.
And for me that's been fun to you know, as
an older player, like you want to win right away.
Like the only thing I want to do that I
have left to do on my resume is won a
Super Bowl, and I've played into and I've lost them too.

(51:27):
But I also think there's something too as a as
a fan of watching and being a part of football
and seeing how they're I would love to be in
the organisation in an organization in some capacity, but I
think it's unique to watch how they built a team
and how they structured their contracts and how they did
things in the process that they went through. I mean
to get to where you were. I think my first

(51:47):
year we were we won one game in the first
ten games, nine games, ended up six and ten to
now being thirteen and three and playing in a Super Bowl. UM.
It talks a lot about the patients they have, but
also with you know, the I say, the the strength
they had to believe in John and Kyle's plan, um.
And you know, hopefully this year we can think it

(52:07):
back to the Super Bowl and winning. All right. Kind
of quickly kicking with Robbie's your new web series, the
most the most enjoyable doesn't have to be the biggest name.
The most enjoyable, Uh, interview with a with a friend
or a sports personality or somebody that you had so
far in your web series. Do you know what's funny?
I started this web series because I want to get
into broadcasting down the road, and I thought there was

(52:31):
no better time to start something to give people like
hope and conversations around success motivation, talking about home run,
like Joe Carter told me about his home runey hit
in the World Series. I mean that's as a kicker,
that's like the end. I'll be all for me, Like
I would love for it to have come down to
a game winner and make it. Um. But I'm learning

(52:51):
so much from so many people. Um that every single
one of them, because most of them are my friends,
have been a lot of fun. We've We've done Mark
rawl thing, We've done Lisassaulters, We've just did an interview
with Sarah Spain. Um, we did Mike mcglinch. You who's
a teammate of mine. Uh, we did Ryan Dempster, Who's

(53:13):
so I mean listen, like all of them are different
and everyone has a different story, so it's unique for
me to be able to duties and learn. I think
one of the biggest things I've learned from American Century
and networking and going to events is that the more
I listen, the more I learned. And this is just
something for me to develop a new skill and have
some fun. And um. Ryan Dempster's Robbie Goldgang and Fields unbelievable. Um.

(53:34):
People got to check that out. It's pretty good. But
next time you talked. Next time he talked to Demps,
asked him how he got his original break in broadcasting,
and if he's honest, he will mention my name. I
used to we used to we just we used to
do a show called Game Night. He was like a
six hour radio show. We bring a ball player in

(53:56):
every year for the playoffs in the World Series. Demps
was going through Tommy John Surgery, who was a member
of the the Sincinnati Reds, and he spent like a month
in Bristol and we hung out together. He taught me
a ton about baseball while we talked about broadcasting. And
I don't want to take all the credit, but a good,
good portion of the credit is all that I ever
ever want. Robby's great stuff. Dude, thanks for catching up
with us. Let's talk soon and uh and get back

(54:18):
to being Mr Mom. I appreciate that. Have fun. Be
sure to catch the live edition of The Doug gott
Leap Show weekdays at three p m. Easter noon Pacific.
Then you have these stories of two players, two Major
League Baseball players opting out of playing this season. Um.

(54:39):
The biggest name and most known is Ryan Zimmerman. Joe
Ross also gonna opt out of the two thousand twenties
season for personal health and safety, safety of the players
and of loved ones. Zimmerman's thirty five years old. He
was the Washington nationals first ever draft pick when they
moved out of Montreal. He's played for the team every

(55:02):
um every year since making his debut September one, two
thousand five. He's obviously faded here later in his career.
They just won a World Series. Uh, the team decided
to opt out of their deal, which gave a two
million dollar payout, and then they gave a two million
dollar contract. So he's got plenty of money and he's

(55:23):
choosing not to play. And he says, quote, everyone knows
how much it means for me to be part of
a team. I will miss the camaraderie dearly this year.
Of course, I'd love to pursue back to back titles.
I cannot speak for anyone else, but given the unusual
nature of the season, it's the best decision for me
and my family. I truly appreciate the organization's understanding and support.
To be clear, I'm not retiring. I've not decided my

(55:45):
future in baseball past two thousand twenty, but this year,
I'll be staying safe at home and pulling as hard
as anyone for the guys to defend their champion championship.
Joe Ross, also on that team last year, was seven
years old four and four with a five point three
A d R A. I don't. I don't get it.

(56:06):
I don't. I get that Zimmerman's mom has multiple scurosis
and he's got little kids, But I don't. I mean,
I look, I'm fully respectful and frankly a little bit fearful.
My mom's in her seventies. We went over there yesterday.
You do the best we can. You know, we've only
been over to your house four times or so, five

(56:28):
times or so, only been in the house I think
two times since since quarantine. I'm not not sure I
get it. Rama's can you? I mean, look, you we're
supposed to the same. Boy's talking about his family and health.
We don't. But why is Ryan Zimmerman, at thirty five
years old, somehow at risk? I get that his mom's

(56:49):
at risk, but why is he at risk? I don't understand. Yeah, no,
I yeah, unless he is coming home to them every day,
I assume, or there with him him, and I assume
if he did get it, he would quarantine himself. I
don't know. It is a days plus training camp, right,
and you'd signed up to play Major League Baseball anyway,

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which is a hundred and sixty two games plus training camp. Granted,
there's time at home, and I understand. There's just I
don't I don't really understand, Gavin. Am I being callous?
And you've had some health issues by being too callous,
going like somebody's got to give me a better, Like
you just fried by baseball? Are you really scared that
you're gonna get sick? Is your does your mom live

(57:33):
at home with you? I would think, you know, like, look,
I don't want to get in anybody else's money, But
you mean to tell me that he couldn't get her
a really nice place? Yeah, for like six months. He's
got a lot of money. He was making like six
seventeen million dollars last year, and your thirty five, and
you just won the World Series, And I don't get
why he doesn't just retire. That's what's confusing to me,

(57:58):
unless he really thinks he has that much left and
wants to do uh you know, yeah, but I would
I would say that if you're if you think, if
if you're worried about how much you have left and
tank I could be wrong, but when aren't you better
off playing sixty and seventy days than trying to play
the one sixty two? You would think by or where

(58:19):
where are you on this? You're a big I mean
you like me, a big baseball guy. Obviously you're a
Brewers fan. Doesn't hurt the Brewers. But sure, um, I
actually have no problem with it. And if he doesn't
know if if it's you know, a family situation, he
says he was worried about not being able to see
his mom for months. I can get that. Um, maybe

(58:40):
you know, money obviously doesn't matter to Ryan Zermerman, so
there's no need to, you know, just to play games
for money. So actually don't have a problem with it.
And I mean, if if he got injured in the
sixty games, then there's no well, we don't know if
it's gonna be I guess here's the question. Okay, so
does that mean that he's gonna quarantine and only and

(59:00):
his kids are still gonna quarantine. They're not going to
go out and mix and mingo with their friends so
that he can still go over and see his mom.
Maybe maybe just try not to do it as much.
I just I don't think that he wants to travel
around and go to different places and possibly be exposed
at all these different spots. I know, but it's not
it's not like you're I think it's different, you know,

(59:22):
from from the amount of travel that you may have
them to just kind of trying to take yourself out
of your you know, normal daily stuff. So I mean,
I think that we all know that there's some sort
of risk. There's there's there's Listen again, I'm in between
the you know, I think there's legitimate risk, especially if
your mom is older or close to senior citizen and

(59:42):
she has MS. I thought that's a absolute legitimate thing.
But my point has has always been, Okay, one Zimmerman there,
you can can't find a study that says a thirty
five year old professional athlete is at any sort of
substantial risk. You just can't. I know, Rudy Gobert supposedly
still can't taste off um, but I you know that,

(01:00:03):
like that's the worst case we've seen of a professional
athlete in terms of his recovery. So it's not him
as for kids. Kids aren't getting sick. They may carry it,
but they're not being symptomatic. They're asymptomatic. It doesn't seem
to affect them. Okay, so now what's left. Now you're
talking about his mom and my my point is that

(01:00:24):
if you're going to self quarantine and go over and
see your mom, great, if your kids are gonna self
gonna quarantine and then go and see his mom, right,
But the likelihood is it's in the summer, you're gonna
be outside. I just feel like people are using their
family thing and because we're told, you know, you're not
supposed to question somebody's family when it sounds like bold

(01:00:46):
to me. You know, the world is open. The world
is open, and if you want, like Avery Bradley, if
you really want to do it for social change, don't
throw your family out there under the bus. Have a
six month like, it's not that long a deal. It's
not that long a deal. And would it would it
suck to to not see your kids for a substantial

(01:01:08):
portion of time? I guess potentially. The first thing is, again,
there aren't everyone's telling us the kids aren't getting sick.
They could be carriers. There's some studies that say they
don't even spread it. But whatever, kids aren't getting sick,
so you can still go see your kids. Kids are
still gonna be getting out and playing and keeping your
kids inside all summer. I just if there's another reason,

(01:01:29):
tell us the other reason. He didn't like the bubble.
He didn't know the the lack of bubble. I should say,
you know, when you compare it to the NBA or
compare it to the NHL. He didn't really believe in
Major League Baseball's plan. Yeah, it's a it's a weird one.
Like I actually, had he gone out on top, that
would have made sense, right, Like, you're the first ever

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