July 3, 2020 • 52 mins
Dan Beyer and George Wrighster, fill in for Doug Gottlieb, and react to the Washington Redskins moving towards a decision to change the name of the franchise. The guys speak with NBC Sports Washington’s Nick Ashooh about the tempo among the fans in D.C. Dan and George debate whether or not college football will return in the fall and the real reason that Mike Gundy lost $1 million in salary.
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of the Doug Gottlip Show on Fox Sports Radio. They
always say that honesty is the best policy, So honestly,
George Rice Stir, did you ever think that we would
get to this point when it comes to the nickname
of the Washington Redskins. Did you ever think we were
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to get this far? Now, we're not all the way there,
but did you ever think that we would get to
this far that it seems like we are on the
verge of this name changing. Yes, I knew this was coming. Bro,
this was coming. It wasn't a matter of if it was.
When you think about just out in the world, when
things are wrong or like all things get corrected a
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lot of times, especially when they're historically wrong. And most importantly,
Dan is that we've learned that people people cannot be
bought like that. Well that I I should say there's a
certain segment of the population that no matter what you
offer them, no matter what you try to bribe them,
with those investigative journalists type people, that no matter what
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you try to give them, they will not give up
because the cause and the their version of the quote
unquote right thing is more important than anything else that
you could give them. And I think that the message
was actually just the opposite. For a long time with
Dan Snyder, despite calls for him to change the nickname
of his team, he always stood by it and said
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that the name would not change. Now, over the last
twenty four hours, it has changed dramatically. You've heard Isaac
Loan Crown mentioned in the update. Not only did Dan Snyder,
the red Skins owner in a statement saying that they
will uh take an opportunity to look into the changing
of the name reviewing of the nickname. Roger Goodell Reyes
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released a statement saying quotes in the last few weeks,
we have had ongoing discussions with Dan and we are
supportive of this important step you had yesterday. One of
the minority owners of the Washington Redskins, who is the
founder of FedEx expressed their opinion that they were interested
in a name change, and then you had Nike withdrawing
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all of the items regarding the Washington Redskins off of
their website to purchase. So it seemed like the Big
Bucks George were the ones that really really got to
Dan Snyder in saying, all right, if FedEx isn't gonna
have the naming rights to the field, if a minority
owner is speaking out about this, if Nike is pulling it,
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that to me seems like the real reason while Dance,
why Dan Snyder is actually looking to review and likely
changed this nickname. It had to do with all the money. Yes, dude,
when people have their heels dug in you. I mean, okay,
I have a I have kids. We have five kids.
And the thing that we've learned is this is pressure points.
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You don't find like if if one kid, if he
likes dessert and then another kid doesn't, you can't say
you can't do this. Otherwise you don't get deserted. You
can't do this, or you don't get to use the
iPhone or the iPad. You have to find what their
pressure point is the thing that is going to hurt
enough that they are going to change their behavior. And
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that's the same thing that happened with Dan Snyder here. Yes,
a couple of years ago, they tried to take away
the the licensing and the trademark for his team's UM mascot.
That ended up getting UH went his way. So yeah,
they weren't the pressure points Nike. When they did the
Veterans UH, the the the hoodies, the camouflage hoodies and
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all of that, they were the only team that didn't
have their nickname on there. They said Washington Football on it.
So Nike, he's already been on board with with this,
and now you have a situation where now they've hit
Dan Snyder's pressure point. It's not public criticism. It's not
because other than that, he would have been sold the
team because the people said he's a terrible owner. It's
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the money that's the pressure point for him. This whole
scenario breaks down to what's the gain of keeping it? Well,
like now, it's what's the game? And I think previously George,
that Dan Snyder would make an argument that there was
a loyal fan base UM that was behind him, and
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we saw some of the the the poor attempts to
show that Dan Snyder would exhibit to show why he
would keep the nickname um taking advantage of Native Americans
and trying to in a way almost parade them out
to say, see, it's all right, inviting uh Native Americans
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to games, having them in his booth, like these were
the actions of Dan Snyder. But he also I thought
George had a backing from the fan base and really
from the other thirty one owners who hadn't set a
peep about this because it's their team, Like you get
to do with your team as you want to do
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with your team. But the see, here's the here's the
thing is is that Dan Snyder had the backing from
fans because the fans of the team aren't the people
who this is directed at. Like there, it's super super
easy to tell people, Oh, it's just a nickname. It's
not a big deal. When it's not offensive to you,
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like when it has no historical reference to you, your family,
any of that, it's super easy for people to say, oh, yeah,
just just get over it. Why is everybody getting so
upset about this now? Damn? Why is everybody know people
have been upset about this for fifteen twenty plus years.
They've been trying to get it removed. Nobody would listen.
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Same thing with the monument, same thing with all of this,
but people act like this a is brand new. They
just didn't care. Now it's in their face. That's the difference,
is that there is power to get it done. That's
what the change is. Well, I also well, and I
was going to say along those lines, I think that
things have changed. I also think that I think it's
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I think it's the power of fed X, and it's
the power of Nike, and it's those sort of things
that uh will force Standstider to change. But I also
do think that there has been a change in the
in in the consciousness of what you're talking about. And
I think that we've seen that because this argument two
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years ago is being brought up. You've talked about it.
This has been going on for the last fifteen and
twenty years, and it had has been It's been going
on for a long long time. But what we've seen
just in the last two months of what has been
going on, I think has changed so many things. And
that fan base and that base that said, hey, this
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didn't offend us, now their eyes have been opened. And
I think that it is a very very recent change,
and I don't think it's woke culture. I don't think
it's that thing Georgia where we like to try to
downplay or push it off of of that person being woke.
I think it's just a lot more people realizing what
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is going on and also ultimately what is the gain.
So I I end with the with what we started with,
is what is the gain in all of this, because
I don't think that you can find anything UH any longer.
Maybe the reasons in the past were we're superficial and
they were in just but they're the people would have
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their arguments of the history of the organization. Now that
doesn't seem relevant, that doesn't seem important. It also doesn't
seem like the stuff that people want to be associated with.
And I think that's where we're getting to change right now.
I don't think you would have gotten to take away
It doesn't take away the history of the team just
because you change a nickname. I mean, this has been
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going on for a long time. There was a school
UH that was that's very close to to to me
out in San Fernando Valley. I think they were the
Birmingham UH. I think they were the Birmingham Braves and
now they're the Birmingham something something something else like it
didn't and we've seen, you know, colleges changed their name
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their nicknames. Mark Marquette did it. And I think that
that when we were talking earlier, you said that there
were some schools near you that have changed it. This
is not abnormal. Yeah, yeah, and you know what, I
even brought this up last night when we were filling
on the Jason Smith Show. Jonah Sknocks and myself. You know,
Marquette University changed from the Warriors to the to the
Golden Eagles. Where I grew up in north central Wisconsin,
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there are many Native American tribes like De Flambeaux and Nida.
There are a lot of different Native American tribes. But
there's also school high schools in my conference that were
the Red Raiders. There were multiple schools with the nickname
Red Men, just like St. John's was, and then they
changed to the to the Red Storm. There it was.
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It was a lot of places, but when Marquette changes
from Warriors to Golden Eagles, it got the conversation going,
at least locally. And you saw this throughout high schools
and you saw the changes, and I wasn't saying that
was the only school. There were other you know, universities
across the country, but locally for us in that state.
It it got the conversation going, which then also brings
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to the point George, Yeah, this is you know, this
is thirty years ago stuff. This is forty years ago stuff.
But that stuff ended up going by the wayside. Some
of the schools, honestly, they'll have kept still kept the
nicknames that they have had. I wonder now if this
is going to allow that change. And I actually, George,
I think that this in in a in a way,
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is is a way for Dan Snyder not gonna it's
not gonna be a martyr for doing this, but for
a team that isn't isn't too uh used to getting
positive press, this would be a positive thing for Dance Cuder,
no matter how he does it, for someone who has
stood and you know, stood his ground with the nickname.
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Whatever the reasons are, to actually change it, I think
would be a positive. And in the long run, is
this team looks to have a stadium, a brand new
stadium built in Washington, d C. In the district of Columbia.
You cannot move it. There have a stadium in d
C without a name change. So in all this could
help Dan Snyder um in a lot of ways if
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he ends up making the change with the with ther
team name. There is no right way to do the
wrong thing and no wrong way to do the right thing.
And once a point in time that you find out
that something you were doing was not the proper way
to do things, you change it. You don't just keep
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going down the same road because because this is the
road that we've been in, I gotta dig in my
my heels. This is our history. Well, if you realize
that your history was messed up, admitt it and just
change course and change direction, Like, this is our country,
this is America. Just because there was so long that
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it wasn't great for everybody doesn't mean that you can't
go ahead and change that now. Like that's the part
that is so bothersome to me about about some people
on the other argument about these things. This isn't gonna
change your team, This isn't gonna change the history, This
isn't gonna change any of that. This is just saying,
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all right, look we messed this up as a country.
We messed up with slavery. We messed up with segregation.
We messed up with the way we've treated our Native Americans.
We messed up. Let's just change course. It doesn't like
take away from anything that has been that has happened.
It doesn't. It's almost like when you see like like
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if you take your family to therapy, Dan, regardless of
whether something major has happened, you guys just need to talk.
Somebody died, any any of that. You have to first,
like if something was done done wrong, you apologize, you
admit it, and then you change course. You don't just
keep doing it that way because that's the always the
way it's been done. That's stupid. And Dan Snyder has
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done that for a long long time, and now there
could be a change. Thorough review was the quote that
Snyder used in the statement that was released by the team.
I don't know, George, how they're going to do it,
UH with the upcoming season. You mentioned the the change
or the the military UH outfitting that Nike did in
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November for for the National Football League. I think you
could see them be called the Washington Football Club for
a season or two seasons and then a possible name change.
But I would be very surprised if this nickname is
there at the start of the season. I don't know
what they're gonna do in the meantime. I that's why
I think they could just go Washington Football Club for
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the season. But I I, yeah, I think this is
coming to an end and coming to an end soon. Okay,
but wouldn't that actually be kind of a unique thing.
I mean, it's been the football club thing has been
popular in soccer. You have you know, like you have
l A, f C, l A Galaxy, all of that.
Like just doing something different. That might be Dan Snyder's answer,
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like we're to Washington Football Club, like we're not the
you know, like just leave the nickname off. You don't
even have to have one if you don't want to.
And that can be even his way to say, listen,
I'm bucking the system. We're still to Washington Football Club
like that. That's it. That's who we are, this is
our city, this is all of that. Just just own it.
But I do love the way that uh. I thought
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it was very classic, the way he wanted to ease
into this, Like they haven't been talking to Native Americans
talking to people about this for for decades. Now about
the name. Oh, now we're gonna do a thorough review. No,
you're changing the name. You're trying to figure out what
you're what you're gonna gonna do. But this is a
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pr way to say it. No, just I get it though. Okay, Dan,
you're changing the name with this quote unquote thorough review.
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And the man that we're gonna bring in to talk
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about this is uh Mr Nick ash You. He is
the host over at NBC Sports Washington and at one
oh six point seven the Fan. You can find him
on Twitter at Nick ash You. It's not it sounds
like a sneeze, but it is spelled a s h
o O h. Nick, welcome to the show. It absolutely
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sounds like a sneeze. Um, thank you for joining us today. So, uh,
Dan Snyder has clearly dug in his heels for years
and now they're doing a quote unquote formal review of
the name. Do you think it will be changed? Yes,
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I honestly do, and I would have never said this before,
but with the way things have gone, with FedEx coming
out and saying that they wanted them to change the name.
And by the way, the person that came out from
fed X, it's not only the CEO, but he has
a minority state in the Redskins, and Nike took down
all of their apparel from their website. Um and at
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this point now, the conversation always was they will change
the name when the money stopped flowing in, because the
big thing about the Redskins is they're still worth a
lot of money even when they're losing. The fan base
has been there and they've had the sponsors and even
when people aren't showing up the games, they're still making money.
If they start losing money, which seems to be the
case now, then at least the threat of it. I
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absolutely think this is going to change. And it's weird
to say that because this has been a battle that's
been going on long before even Dan Snyder owned the team.
But now it's it seems like it's it's come to
a head, and I think people are considering this in
a different situation than they ever had before. How does
the fan base really feel about it? Because it felt
like Snyder previously, Nick had the backing of the fan base. Um,
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I'm not sure that's the case anymore, but but what
is the feel in d C about the nickname? Very
very mixed. Um. And by the way, I apologize, there's
there's an echo in my ear. I hear myself, So
if I sound weird, that's just me hearing myself. But um,
the what's going on right now is a mix of
opinions on both sides. Do you have a lot of
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people to talk about it and say, well, the history
of the team and how can you get rid of
that and how you can change that? And that's really
the a lot of the older generation because not my generation.
People my age. We grew up and I'm a Redskins fan.
I grew up a fan of the team. My dad
was a fan of the team, and he he raised
me a Redskins fan, and I tell him every week,
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I'm like, you've ruined my life from Jim a Redskins fan.
But the team has been awful for a long long time,
and people that are my generation in their thirties really
only look at them as the dysfunctional franchise that can't
win games and a lot of people say, you know what,
if you change the name, it's kind of a fresh start,
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and I think we'll take it. And it's it's just
it's becomes something that I actually feel is more split
than it ever was, where it felt like there were
more people that were very against it. Don't change it.
This isn't you know, this isn't something that should be
offensive to anybody. But as this is evolved, I've really
noticed a different change, in a different tone from a
lot of people where it feels at least much more split.
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And that that's just I mean, being in this market
and seeing for so long this conversation and seeing the
change that's happened now is it's definitely a different tone
than it was before. Even with a fan base. I've
heard so many people nick say that, oh this is
this is new. Why are people bringing this up now?
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And so can you tell people how long did this
conversation has been being had? I mean forty years? I
mean I remember Tony Kornheiser would talk about how we
wrote a column about this thirty years ago. I mean,
it's this has been going on for decades. It's just
one of the things that does change. So you guys
are certainly aware of this. Like social media changes everything,
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people are able to get opinions out there, and then
those opinions spread to other people, and there's information that
people get and whether it's always right or it's always
true as a old different conversation, but social media has
certainly changed that now and this is definitely nothing new.
This maybe outside of DC, it might seem like a
new thing to a lot of people, but I can
promise you this that every couple of years, this conversation
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drums up, and you know, we get more attention as
as time goes on. So it's no surprise to me
that this is now being not only a conversation again
now but stronger than what it ever was before. Nick Ash,
you have NBC Sports Washington joining us here on Fox
Sports Radio, and I should also say former Fox Sports
Radio host before he went on to bigger and better
things in the Nation's capital. Find him on Twitter at
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Nick Ash. You, George and I were talking earlier, and
I think that there could be and I want to
I want to get your thoughts on this, Nick. I
think there could be an argument that Dan Snyder actually
does something positive that this could be a plus for him.
Is this gonna be thought of if a change is
made as a positive or is he going to be
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looked at as the guy who's forced into the decision.
And it's kind of the same old say mold with
his ownership brain. That honestly goes back to the split
in the fan base and how they feel about changing it.
To begin with. There were a lot of people, I
think nationally that will look at this and say, good job,
good for him, and they're going to applaud it. There's
gonna be a lot of people within the Redskins fan
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base that hate him more because of that. But I
will tell you what will ease the pain on this
a little bit, because the issue for so long is
that the Redskins have wanted a new stadium. Anybody outside
a DC that hasn't been there, I can tell you
FedEx Field, where the Redskins play is trashed. It is
an awful, awful stadium. They've wanted one for a long
time and it's been landover Maryland. They want to go
back to the site where RFK Stadium is, where the
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Redskins played in their glory day, And the conversation for
a long time was they probably are going to be
able to go there until they change their name. And
Mariel Bowser, who is the mayor of DC, has not
come out in the past and said specifically they need
to change their names to be here. She has now
said the only way they're coming back and they're going
to the RFK site is if they change their names. So,
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if you have the opportunity to be there and build
a brand new, beautiful stadium in the perfect location in
downtown DC where the RFK site is now by the way,
the stadium is getting demolished in about a year, I
think no matter what, So if you're able to do that,
I didn't put that out on Twitter. I was like,
if you was a Redskins fan, have to deal with
the Redskins changing their name, but getting a new stadium,
what you take it? And most people willing to accept that.
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And I was sold a few months ago too that
they were talking to Amazon and their ultimate goal was
Amazon Field at RFK. But they've had a lot of
hang ups and shocking it's DC a lot of politics
involved with this too. But if this name change were
to happen, there's a very good chance they could go
back to that site, build a new stadium, and then
a lot of people would say, all right, you changed
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the name, but the stadium is beautiful and I'm happy again.
It's it's amazing what a new beautiful stadium can do
for a lot of fans, because nobody shows up to
the one right now, so they'd love to go to
a new one. I've bet I got nick, I got
two quick options for name changes. Tell me which one
that you like the best. I floated out the Washington
Valor or the or keeping the colors the same, all
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of that, and then just going with the Hogs or
something like that because that's what they were known for
in the in the in the eighties of John Riggins,
all of that, Like, wouldn't that be an awesome name
as well? I think there's a chance that people would
accept that you really do have to keep the colors
and that, you know, I put out their name Washington
Valor because that was the Arena League team that we
had for like two years, and I just love the name.
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But they were red, white and blue. You can't you
can't really change the colors from Bernie and Gold. People
love them, So Hogs would be something people have thrown
around warriors, which is kind of boring to me. But
you could kind of keep some of the stuff that
you have in terms of the colors and maybe the
way some of the logo could change a little bit,
the red tails, which is like those those fighter planes
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from like World War Two. The thing with these names
is people throughout a ton of different ones, and it
always sounds weird because you're used to the name that
it is. But I think people at least want to
keep the colors and that will help a little bit.
He's Nick ash You NBC Sports Washington and one of
six point seven the Fan. Find him on Twitter at
Nick ass You Nick, great to talk to you again,
have a grade fourth. Thanks for having me. Guys, be
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sure to catch the live edition of The Doug gott
Leap Show weekdays at three pm Easter noon Pacific. So
the IFEL Players Association doesn't want any preseason games, the
NFL owners may want to. I know where there won't
be preseason games. That's in college football because all of
the game's count now. The question is when will those
games that count actually be played. George is a six
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year NFL VET also played collegiately at ore Agon, which
is in the Pac twelve conference. And George, there's some
news coming from Pack twelve commissioner Larry Scott, who we
will hear from in a second, as he spoke with
the inside the n C double a Twitter account talking
about fall football. But this is this is a a
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conversation that's gone on recently. You've had leagues now like
the IVE League, trying to be possibly proactive and in
maybe making plans. We shouldn't find out next week if
they're going to have a spring football season instead of
a fall football season. But with this recent spike in
coronavirus cases across the country just put a little bit
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more doubt in my mind on how college football, or
college football as we know it could be played. Oh
now you're coming along to finally, Dan, Finally you have arrived.
I have been saying this. I want college football more
than anything there is in football in general. Love it.
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But the reality that we're facing is is that this
is not a situation that looks very likely at this point.
And we're more likely to see football in in spring
slash April than we are in the fall. And it's
for that's your opinion that we're gonna see it's more
likely in the spring that it is the fall. Yes, absolutely,
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because of what you just mentioned about the IVY League.
So the IVY League talked about one of their contingency
their main contingency plans is to move football from the
fall into April or the springtime or the springtime. And remember,
the IVY League, the same people who in UH in
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the end of February beginning of March said that they
were going to UH skip their conference tournament, and then
a couple of days later that they weren't even gonna
send a team to the n C Double A tournament
because of the the coronavirus. And then everybody's saying they're overreacting,
they're overreacting. A couple of weeks later, March thirteenth, everything
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shut down. The IVY League was ahead of the curve
because they had the A. They are some of the
brightest minds and one of the some of the best
research has fitals, not just in the United States, in
the world. They have some of the best epidemiologists, the scientists,
all of this stuff working there at the university, so
they have its UH special knowledge. And then you fast
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forward to them saying now that they may move football
back to the spring. The IVY leagues dan they don't
have a vested interest in in terms of financially with
sports the same way that uh Power five universities do,
so they can make objective decisions about whether they should
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play sports or not based upon whether it's a health issue,
a second wave or anything like that is objective, the
same as just rather being safe than sorry, because that's
what to me seems like where these Power five schools,
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with these athletic department budgets, they're the ones that really
have to take a look and say, okay, we kind
of need football to support the other sports. And we've
seen schools have to eliminate sports because of coronavirus shutdown.
And now if you don't have a football season or
a football season like you normally would, there's even gonna
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be more decisions having to be be made withinside that athletic department,
where maybe the IVY League doesn't have that opportunity. That's
why I'm not sure if it's objective more than they
have less to lose than these Power five Well, if
if if you aren't needing sports for your financial solvegncy,
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then that's what I say that means that you can
make an objective decision because you're not saying we need
this money to support everything else. You're saying, no, uh no,
we we can make an objective choice. And the IVY
League is not the only people that are kind of
seeing the writing on the wall. We've already seen the
South Carolina governor, the governor of South Carolina where Clemson
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and South Carolina are um U S e U S
East are say that he would be willing to shut
down football and may have to based upon the coronavirus
numbers and the whole idea of the student athlete and
all of that. And also you have packed with that
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affects the A, c C and the SEC. And then
you have Larry Scott who came out and said this
one of the threshold considerations will have to make as
we think about FAULL sports coming up is weather we
stick with the traditional approach that we're either all moving
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forward together or none of us are moving forward together,
whether that's within the league, within the f BS Division one,
or whether this is such a unique situation with really
varied experiences and situations at our campuses that there might
be some where there's broad populations of students on our
campuses and we can compete in college athletics, and there
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might be somewhere we can't. That's a big deal. Dan, Well,
you know, there's a lot of logistics having to deal
with with this. I do think it's the conversation about
students is one George that I I haven't necessarily grasped
for the sake of I do believe in technology and
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how technology and how classes more and more you can
you can take classes online. But you know, as a
football player, and I don't know what the system was
at Oregon, I know, you know, just down the road
from US at U c l A, you're in a
quarter system, so you're maybe not starting classes until late September,
where the college football season is already a month in
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and students haven't been on campus. I don't the the connection.
I'm uh, you know, I'm saying to myself, Okay, well,
what's you know, what's the difference if if they just
don't return? It's I mean football is being played during
this time. I also think that when you go to
the to look at the geographic situations of these schools,
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I'm a big ten guy, I'm from Big ten country.
I know what February weather is, and so when you
want to talk about having like a spring season, it's
different than late November, like winter usually hasn't arrived at
that point, and now you're gonna be playing football in
February or possibly in March in the April. I just
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think logistics wise, and and Penn States a d said
spring football to have the the season in the spring
is their last resort. I just don't think it's just
as easy of like, oh, well, play in the spring
and will make up our money that way. I just
I don't think it's that easy. And that's why I
just don't think that it's on the horizon for college football. Well,
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the first thing is where you said the whole student
athlete thing. I'm sorry, the whole students on campus. The
problem with saying, okay, well the quarter system, like the
school you went to, Oregons on the quarter system, as so, okay,
you'll you'll you'll play three or four games before the
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season even starts, like I was used to that. The
problem with it is if you are saying that it's
not safe enough for the student body population to be
on campus, why is it smart enough? Why is it
okay for athletes to be on campus and you aren't,
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And yeah, just to pump money intough the school pay
salaries all that when they are not paid employee ease.
That's the issue because it goes back to the whole
UH debate about amateurism. Oh, these are college guys. They're
about their students first. They shouldn't be paid all of this. Well,
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you can ask professionals to make UH sacrifices in terms
of their their health well being because they're well paid
in their entertainers. But if you're gonna say that, these
are student athletes and students first, but it's not safe
enough for students to be on campus too. Clearly some
schools believe that. USC just came out and said they're
doing online classes in the fall. So if it's not
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safe enough for the students, how is it safe enough
for the student athletes. That's fair point. It's a very
fair point, you know, and and and looking at it
at that way, there there is legitimacy there. I would say,
as a football player, as you are playing and listen
to a majority of them, a large majority of them
are not gonna be going to the next level and
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playing in the National Football League, They're going to have
a different life outside of football when they play. It
would probably make the campus situation much easier to navigate
if there aren't other students on there, if you want to,
you know, be safer in that in that essence of
of having it. I just I I think that there
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are a lot of logistics that are just not I mean,
you know, there are two money makers in sports. In
collegiate sports, usually there are some athletic departments that that differ.
Maybe in the maybe in the Southeast, baseball makes a
little bit more. Uh, maybe the hockey program at a
school is popular, maybe like a Yukon, the women's basketball
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team is a money maker, but it's football the majority.
You hope to make some money on men's basketball, which
most schools do, and then you're kind of in the
red with everything else. And so now if you have
a college football season, George, and you're covering up the
college basketball season which just had to end their season,
you know, I know there's gonna be like financial hits,
But I just I think that there's just a lot
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of stuff that would be I know, they're trying to
make the best of a bad situation. But it's just
not as easy for me to think, like, hey, you're
gonna take this season and move it to the fall
and then start March one and be done on you know,
May fifteen. I mean, if I'm Trevor Lawrence or I'm
Justin Fields, I'm not playing spring football. You know, like,
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there's absolutely no way you would. So if I'm Trevor
Lawrence or Justin Fields and I'm protected to be a
top ten pick, you move football back. You you will,
you will. The next time you see me will be
an NFL uniform. But there I mean, there's no point
in them to do that. There's only increased risk and
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the and the and I do agree with you Dan
about that. You can't just say, oh, let's move it
back to spring, no, no, no problem. I do think
that there is like you're in an untenable situation because
playing football in the fall also means that now you're
dealing with roster issues, and how are you gonna deal
if if a if a player tests positive and then
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in your quarterback room test positive, how do you how
do you do that? And then it comes in a
risk of of of tolerance because the amount of the
amount of student athletes that so there are seventy three
thousand college football players in in the nation each year
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each school. What is the risk tolerance for a school
for somebody even though the chances of what we know
right now of young kids eighteen and twenty two getting
sick or dying from the coronavirus is very low. So,
but but what's your tolerance if you are a school
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for not even somebody dying, because that tolerance has to
be zero. But overall, what is the tolerance for somebody
actually getting sick and not dying? Because that will cost
you a fortune in litigation. You're gonna have class action
lawsuits people uh faking symptoms. You're gonna have to I mean,
there's gonna be a range of of economic issues that
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you're gonna have to deal with that they're trying to avoid.
And right now, I just don't know what the answer is.
But playing football in the in the fall looks very unlikely.
As the South Carolina governor the Pact twelve USC cutting
off in person classes, this could be a problem going forward.
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It's you know we're talked about We started off the
show talking about the Redskins name change and how I
feel that things really have changed in the last two months.
I mean, things have changed so much in the last
two weeks with coronavirus UM. For for the spike that
we had seen. I I think that George, we were hopeful.
We were hopeful. Um, I think everybody was hoping, no
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matter what side you or. I don't think anybody wanted
this to stick around. I don't think that anybody who
wears the masks versus someone who doesn't want to wear
a mask, I still think that those people are hopeful
that this thing goes away or or isn't there. The
issue now is I don't know if we're two weeks ago,
if we're sitting here having this conversation, I think that
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this is so far off in the horizon that it's
not even we're thinking, all right, you know, we saw
we heard Jeane Smith of Ohio State at the a
D saying, you know, a month or two ago, twenty
five to fifty and then we're like, okay, maybe there
won't be fans or not. But what's scary is that
now the spring has been brought up in these last
two weeks, and as a football fan, it's it's right
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around the corner. I mean we're on July three, August three.
You know, guys are sitting there on the football field
getting ready for the start of their season. So decisions
have to be made. They have to be made soon.
Think about this, dude. They the n c double A
put out a thing that said that they were gonna
have six weeks to ramp up for players to work out,
that they needed that to make sure that they were
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injury prevention guys to get back in shape. You've already
had multiple colleges shut down their workouts because they've had
so many positive tests and some of the people are symptomatic.
So now you're not even gonna have that six week
ramp up, which is the which is another part of
the issue. And people will tell you all day. You'll
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you'll you'll have people telling, well, these kids are more
likely to die in a car crash. Yeah, but what
is your risk tolerance? Like you already, like you assume
certain risks when you get in the car, you assume
certain risks when you go play football. You you could
get injured, you could die, you could all of these
things from certain things. But to add additional risks to
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that is that we don't know the long term effects
of and you can't even prep people for because you
don't know their lies. The rub with all of this,
be sure to catch the live issue of The Doug
gott Leap Show weekdays at three p m. Easter noon
Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. Well,
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I don't think everybody would take Mike Gundy in these fights.
Mike Gundy in the news getting a new contract from
Oklahoma State, and it's not an extension. Gundy taking a
pay cut, according to athletic director Mike Holder, a one
million dollar pay cut, also had his contract amended in
various spots as he will remain as the head coach
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at Oklahoma State. The the statement released by the school
saying that they found uh no issues with gundhy in
terms of uh in terms of race, but saying that
he has to develop a better rapport, if you will,
with the players. But still Mike Gundy taking a million
dollar pay cut, and that's what I don't understand. If
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nothing was was found that he did wrong or there
were violations made, then why is he taking, according to Holder,
a voluntary pay cut. I don't I don't understand why
one thing doesn't happen, but then there is a consequence
to it. Is there any reason why you would think
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Mike Gundy would have a million dollars lesson pay each
season in his contract and having these other stipulations of
of a buyout being trimmed and other guarantees. I I
just I'm having a tough time reading this. George. A
year ago, they he just got an extension to three,
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gave him a hundred and twenty five thousand dollar raise
and added years like five he was making, so now
he was gonna make five point one to five million dollars. Well,
that that's what he's made for the season. He's gonna
make even more than that for the season. So why
on earth would you take a pay cut following an
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investigation about some possible racist stuff going on in your
um with within your team and the culture and all
of that, And the results of it were that the
university's quote unquote independent people inside the university said that
he just needs to have a better relationship with his players.
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So if all you need is a better relationship with
your players, why on earth are you taking a million
dollar pay cut lowering your lowing the school's guaranteed money
to you. So and what works is so coaches contracts
like a big time coaches, they're usually in between seventy
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five of their contract is guaranteed if they get fired.
He lowered that from seventy five percent to fifty and
cut the years down from five to four years. That
means that it makes the school a lot easier to
get rid of him. I believe then that had it
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not been for the pandemic, they would have fired Mike Gundhi.
We don't know, because at the end of the day,
you have to be able to recruit. If optics are
bad about you and your program, you can't recruit because
that's the lifeblood. And if there was nothing there my mind,
he may not have been calling people the N word,
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may have not been doing all of this stuff, but
it could have been some stuff, some unsavory, some below
board things going on that they found and they're like, oh,
we're in the middle of a pandemic. We can't fire
him because it's gonna cost us because it's not necessarily
true things that give you with costs. So we're gonna
have to pay him out all this money through and
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then to get another coach. We have to steal someone
from somewhere else pay thereby out give him a huge
contract during a pandemic when we're not sure about money. No,
he will be gone after this year though, really because
is this is this is how I this is how
I would have viewed this. This situation is if if
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Mike Gundhy was gonna take a million dollars less in
his contract and not gonna have it was a rollover
contract where each year would have another year added on,
and that is no longer the case. Now He's just
got uh four years left on his contract and if
there is an extension, they'll have to deal with that
another time. What I would have done, George or in
the statement to say we didn't find anything wrong. Mike
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Gundhy was humble and remorseful and promises to have a
better relationship with his players. In doing so, he's donating
one million dollars of his salary to suching such fund
to you know, help the African American community, or help
the the students at Oklahoma State or some way. Don't
take a pay cut, take the money, donate it somewhere
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else and make it a make it part of the mission.
To me, this sounds like and I think what what
you're saying is this makes it a lot easier to
fire him, and that that firing could be coming in
the next you know, six or seven months. If if
that's how you're reading things, I just look at it
this way of make him pay, make him realize, but
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make him put his money where his mouth is, because
I'm just getting two different messages from Oklahoma State of
saying like, we didn't find anything seriously wrong. We talked
to a lot of players. He just needs to do
a better job, but we're gonna dock you for this.
It doesn't make any sense. The money should be going
to towards a different mission or or or in some place.
It also seems like it's saving Oklahoma State money when
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they may have to cut it from the athletic budget
anyway because of the pandemic. When coaches are taking pay cuts,
it just it doesn't add up. One and one isn't
equaling too you see a firing. I don't know if
it's gonna be a firing. I just think that they
could have done a lot better in in trying to
trying to take this this wrong and putting in a
positive situation, and I just I think they failed in
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that aspect. Yeah. And the reason why I think that
the firing will happen not just because of all this stuff,
him continuously putting his foot in his mouth, not being
able to recruit at the highest levels like they want.
It's the winning factor. He's not one the big He's
not one the Big twelve. Hasn't gotten to the playoff
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for a five million dollar coach. That is expected. It
is expected for you to at least, at the very
least win the conference at a five million dollar coach. Yeah,
and he has been flirting with the bottom of it, well,
the middle middling in the conference. This has not been
just Oklahoma State has not been excelling. And you don't
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think of them as saying, oh wow, yeah they're they're
a contender. No. Be sure to catch the live edition
of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three p m.
Easter noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I
Heart Radio app. Joining us now covering Major League Baseball
from the USA Today, taking a few minutes to talk
about the numbers that just came out and also the
(45:58):
Mic Trot decision, so much more. Bobb and I and
Gil joins us here on the Doug Gottlip Show on
Fox Sports Radio. Hey, Bob, I just want to fill
you in. We didn't get to the to the numbers
that Major League Baseball had with the coronavirus testing. We
were talking though about Mike Trout and the decision that
he made. Would you be surprised if Mike Trout doesn't
join the Angels for this subreviated sixty game season? Yeah,
(46:22):
I would. Uh, you know, I think that most would
happen uh when Mike Trout would play, uh, you know
until maybe a couple of weeks afore the babies doing
I'm not sure what would the babies do, and then uh,
and then return to the Angels after afterwards. Uh. So
you know, it's kind of he's an awkward situation. I mean,
(46:43):
the first child, everything else, but yet going his sixty
game season, anything can happen. Uh. So you know, he
wants to know what his teammates in the ice two
saying I'm gonna do everything possible for us to uh
to win a playoff. Birth. So I think he's you know,
it's kind of a mixed thing. I could see him
taking time off certainly waiting for the baby and after,
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but I don't see him missing the world season. I don't.
How well, what do you think about what Buster only
the Baseball Writer had to say about a zero percent
chance of baseball actually finishing their season and only a
five percent chance of it getting started. When you have
players opting out all of this, Where are your percentages
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on this? Yeah, I don't. I don't go that know,
I'm gonna go fifty truth. But this past week is
the first week. I said, man, it's not a good
how they're gonna do this with the pandemic going nuts,
you know, and all the uh, you know, big stage
in California, attentions Florida and things like that. But then
we only see one point two of the guys that
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tested positive. It's like when you get a current encouraged again.
So I think this first week is bid. I think
they get to this one. They get through the spring
and the first week of games are big because those
players will be traveling and everything else and staying in hotels.
Bob Nightingale the USA Today joining us here on Fox
Sports Radio. That actually leads into my next question. Are
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there contingency plans on if there is an increase for
Major League Baseball. Are there additional measures that they would
take or is it just like we're gonna play or
we're not gonna play. How is this going to proceed
if these numbers change once the season begins. Yeah, I
don't think the uh, those big condigious plans they don't.
You know, maybe if one team or two teams can't
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play the site, they can figure it out. But as
far as just not playing at all, uh in showing
the sport down, I don't see that. I really don't, Bob,
I think that the I've always thought that the NBA
had a good solution with playing all in one place
because you don't have to get an airport's hotels. You
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know that you minimize the risk. What about the like
how much serious discussion was there about the MLB playing
in their in their spring training locations in Florida and Arizona,
splitting the deal up like that. Well, they stainly thought
about it. Presented the idea. They ask the players would
(49:19):
you be interested in? And they weren't. They said no, no,
we don't want to be away from our families all
the season long. And the NBA seasons almost over so
this is starting from new and and and being gone
and uh, you know, I'm stuck in sucking kind of
a bubble type thing. And it's a good thing. The players,
they wanted to do it because of the you know,
right now Arizon with the highest rates in the country.
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Florida's out of control. So when I worked, it would
have completely fallen apart. What about the these And I
don't want to say secrecy of all of this, but
teams won't announce if a player tests positive. And Bob,
I understand hippo rules and I get everything with that.
I just think that this situation is different. You think
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that we will hear from players if they test positive
or Major League Baseball or does major League Baseball want
players to do that? What's their stance on on who
actually test positive? You know, the name respecting Uh that
the primacy. A couple of players today tests positive, including
Divionel Deshiels Jr. And Uh And he came out told that,
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Amy and you go ahead and rebuild my name. You know,
I'll talk about it. So it's just a privacy thing, uh,
you know, but it is screens and you know the
NBA guys that pretty much you know, giving their blessing
to do that. Maybe baseball will get more comfortable at
some point. But you know we've had a lot of
positive tests. Uh, you don't burn the shut down here
(50:43):
and step forward and said, oh yeah, I was one
of them. Um, what is well, how is baseball planning
on handling the roster situation because we know in football
and other sports where you may have you know what
will this be dealt as as a temper very i
R situation or um or will it be a long
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term or they get new designations? And how does this
affect you know, workers, cop claims and anything like that. Yeah,
it would be more workers comp I mean they you know,
I know, uh as the writers you gotta find sign
a waiver form. The players aren't doing that, but yeah,
just be more of what workers contact thing. Never know,
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they have sixty sixty players as every camp, so you
can also you know, if someone gets sick and you'll
bring someone in and let's designed for if you have
ten fifteen guys get sick. Uh, you know they can
replace those players. You know it won't be the star
players obviously, be more minor league kids, but you know
they contingent plan and set up that way. Well what
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real quick? Now, I was more asking about the the
the d L. Will there be a shorter d L
or something like like that for them to deal with? Yeah,
it would be more are like a just like a
ten day disabled list. But now if you if you
test positive h you could be back as quick as
three days. Uh so you just kind of go on
his list. But if you test negative twice within the
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four hours and your your temperatures normal for seven two hours,
you can return. So that's why you know with the
U sixty players type thing, you know you can actually
just know hide the guy for a while and nobody
even knows it. He's Bob mcnightingale of the USA Today
covering Major League Baseball. We know there's a lot going on.
(52:34):
We appreciate the time, Bob, and uh yeah, good luck
with everything. We'll talk again soon. Okay, thank you. Be
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of the Doug Gottlip Show on Fox Sports Radio. They
always say that honesty is the best policy, So honestly,
George Rice Stir, did you ever think that we would
get to this point when it comes to the nickname
of the Washington Redskins. Did you ever think we were
(00:43):
to get this far? Now, we're not all the way there,
but did you ever think that we would get to
this far that it seems like we are on the
verge of this name changing. Yes, I knew this was coming. Bro,
this was coming. It wasn't a matter of if it was.
When you think about just out in the world, when
things are wrong or like all things get corrected a
(01:05):
lot of times, especially when they're historically wrong. And most importantly,
Dan is that we've learned that people people cannot be
bought like that. Well that I I should say there's a
certain segment of the population that no matter what you
offer them, no matter what you try to bribe them,
with those investigative journalists type people, that no matter what
(01:25):
you try to give them, they will not give up
because the cause and the their version of the quote
unquote right thing is more important than anything else that
you could give them. And I think that the message
was actually just the opposite. For a long time with
Dan Snyder, despite calls for him to change the nickname
of his team, he always stood by it and said
(01:48):
that the name would not change. Now, over the last
twenty four hours, it has changed dramatically. You've heard Isaac
Loan Crown mentioned in the update. Not only did Dan Snyder,
the red Skins owner in a statement saying that they
will uh take an opportunity to look into the changing
of the name reviewing of the nickname. Roger Goodell Reyes
(02:12):
released a statement saying quotes in the last few weeks,
we have had ongoing discussions with Dan and we are
supportive of this important step you had yesterday. One of
the minority owners of the Washington Redskins, who is the
founder of FedEx expressed their opinion that they were interested
in a name change, and then you had Nike withdrawing
(02:32):
all of the items regarding the Washington Redskins off of
their website to purchase. So it seemed like the Big
Bucks George were the ones that really really got to
Dan Snyder in saying, all right, if FedEx isn't gonna
have the naming rights to the field, if a minority
owner is speaking out about this, if Nike is pulling it,
(02:53):
that to me seems like the real reason while Dance,
why Dan Snyder is actually looking to review and likely
changed this nickname. It had to do with all the money. Yes, dude,
when people have their heels dug in you. I mean, okay,
I have a I have kids. We have five kids.
And the thing that we've learned is this is pressure points.
(03:15):
You don't find like if if one kid, if he
likes dessert and then another kid doesn't, you can't say
you can't do this. Otherwise you don't get deserted. You
can't do this, or you don't get to use the
iPhone or the iPad. You have to find what their
pressure point is the thing that is going to hurt
enough that they are going to change their behavior. And
(03:39):
that's the same thing that happened with Dan Snyder here. Yes,
a couple of years ago, they tried to take away
the the licensing and the trademark for his team's UM mascot.
That ended up getting UH went his way. So yeah,
they weren't the pressure points Nike. When they did the
Veterans UH, the the the hoodies, the camouflage hoodies and
(04:03):
all of that, they were the only team that didn't
have their nickname on there. They said Washington Football on it.
So Nike, he's already been on board with with this,
and now you have a situation where now they've hit
Dan Snyder's pressure point. It's not public criticism. It's not
because other than that, he would have been sold the
team because the people said he's a terrible owner. It's
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the money that's the pressure point for him. This whole
scenario breaks down to what's the gain of keeping it? Well,
like now, it's what's the game? And I think previously George,
that Dan Snyder would make an argument that there was
a loyal fan base UM that was behind him, and
(04:50):
we saw some of the the the poor attempts to
show that Dan Snyder would exhibit to show why he
would keep the nickname um taking advantage of Native Americans
and trying to in a way almost parade them out
to say, see, it's all right, inviting uh Native Americans
(05:10):
to games, having them in his booth, like these were
the actions of Dan Snyder. But he also I thought
George had a backing from the fan base and really
from the other thirty one owners who hadn't set a
peep about this because it's their team, Like you get
to do with your team as you want to do
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with your team. But the see, here's the here's the
thing is is that Dan Snyder had the backing from
fans because the fans of the team aren't the people
who this is directed at. Like there, it's super super
easy to tell people, Oh, it's just a nickname. It's
not a big deal. When it's not offensive to you,
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like when it has no historical reference to you, your family,
any of that, it's super easy for people to say, oh, yeah,
just just get over it. Why is everybody getting so
upset about this now? Damn? Why is everybody know people
have been upset about this for fifteen twenty plus years.
They've been trying to get it removed. Nobody would listen.
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Same thing with the monument, same thing with all of this,
but people act like this a is brand new. They
just didn't care. Now it's in their face. That's the difference,
is that there is power to get it done. That's
what the change is. Well, I also well, and I
was going to say along those lines, I think that
things have changed. I also think that I think it's
(06:34):
I think it's the power of fed X, and it's
the power of Nike, and it's those sort of things
that uh will force Standstider to change. But I also
do think that there has been a change in the
in in the consciousness of what you're talking about. And
I think that we've seen that because this argument two
(06:54):
years ago is being brought up. You've talked about it.
This has been going on for the last fifteen and
twenty years, and it had has been It's been going
on for a long long time. But what we've seen
just in the last two months of what has been
going on, I think has changed so many things. And
that fan base and that base that said, hey, this
(07:16):
didn't offend us, now their eyes have been opened. And
I think that it is a very very recent change,
and I don't think it's woke culture. I don't think
it's that thing Georgia where we like to try to
downplay or push it off of of that person being woke.
I think it's just a lot more people realizing what
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is going on and also ultimately what is the gain.
So I I end with the with what we started with,
is what is the gain in all of this, because
I don't think that you can find anything UH any longer.
Maybe the reasons in the past were we're superficial and
they were in just but they're the people would have
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their arguments of the history of the organization. Now that
doesn't seem relevant, that doesn't seem important. It also doesn't
seem like the stuff that people want to be associated with.
And I think that's where we're getting to change right now.
I don't think you would have gotten to take away
It doesn't take away the history of the team just
because you change a nickname. I mean, this has been
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going on for a long time. There was a school
UH that was that's very close to to to me
out in San Fernando Valley. I think they were the
Birmingham UH. I think they were the Birmingham Braves and
now they're the Birmingham something something something else like it
didn't and we've seen, you know, colleges changed their name
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their nicknames. Mark Marquette did it. And I think that
that when we were talking earlier, you said that there
were some schools near you that have changed it. This
is not abnormal. Yeah, yeah, and you know what, I
even brought this up last night when we were filling
on the Jason Smith Show. Jonah Sknocks and myself. You know,
Marquette University changed from the Warriors to the to the
Golden Eagles. Where I grew up in north central Wisconsin,
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there are many Native American tribes like De Flambeaux and Nida.
There are a lot of different Native American tribes. But
there's also school high schools in my conference that were
the Red Raiders. There were multiple schools with the nickname
Red Men, just like St. John's was, and then they
changed to the to the Red Storm. There it was.
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It was a lot of places, but when Marquette changes
from Warriors to Golden Eagles, it got the conversation going,
at least locally. And you saw this throughout high schools
and you saw the changes, and I wasn't saying that
was the only school. There were other you know, universities
across the country, but locally for us in that state.
It it got the conversation going, which then also brings
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to the point George, Yeah, this is you know, this
is thirty years ago stuff. This is forty years ago stuff.
But that stuff ended up going by the wayside. Some
of the schools, honestly, they'll have kept still kept the
nicknames that they have had. I wonder now if this
is going to allow that change. And I actually, George,
I think that this in in a in a way,
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is is a way for Dan Snyder not gonna it's
not gonna be a martyr for doing this, but for
a team that isn't isn't too uh used to getting
positive press, this would be a positive thing for Dance Cuder,
no matter how he does it, for someone who has
stood and you know, stood his ground with the nickname.
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Whatever the reasons are, to actually change it, I think
would be a positive. And in the long run, is
this team looks to have a stadium, a brand new
stadium built in Washington, d C. In the district of Columbia.
You cannot move it. There have a stadium in d
C without a name change. So in all this could
help Dan Snyder um in a lot of ways if
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he ends up making the change with the with ther
team name. There is no right way to do the
wrong thing and no wrong way to do the right thing.
And once a point in time that you find out
that something you were doing was not the proper way
to do things, you change it. You don't just keep
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going down the same road because because this is the
road that we've been in, I gotta dig in my
my heels. This is our history. Well, if you realize
that your history was messed up, admitt it and just
change course and change direction, Like, this is our country,
this is America. Just because there was so long that
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it wasn't great for everybody doesn't mean that you can't
go ahead and change that now. Like that's the part
that is so bothersome to me about about some people
on the other argument about these things. This isn't gonna
change your team, This isn't gonna change the history, This
isn't gonna change any of that. This is just saying,
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all right, look we messed this up as a country.
We messed up with slavery. We messed up with segregation.
We messed up with the way we've treated our Native Americans.
We messed up. Let's just change course. It doesn't like
take away from anything that has been that has happened.
It doesn't. It's almost like when you see like like
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if you take your family to therapy, Dan, regardless of
whether something major has happened, you guys just need to talk.
Somebody died, any any of that. You have to first,
like if something was done done wrong, you apologize, you
admit it, and then you change course. You don't just
keep doing it that way because that's the always the
way it's been done. That's stupid. And Dan Snyder has
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done that for a long long time, and now there
could be a change. Thorough review was the quote that
Snyder used in the statement that was released by the team.
I don't know, George, how they're going to do it,
UH with the upcoming season. You mentioned the the change
or the the military UH outfitting that Nike did in
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November for for the National Football League. I think you
could see them be called the Washington Football Club for
a season or two seasons and then a possible name change.
But I would be very surprised if this nickname is
there at the start of the season. I don't know
what they're gonna do in the meantime. I that's why
I think they could just go Washington Football Club for
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the season. But I I, yeah, I think this is
coming to an end and coming to an end soon. Okay,
but wouldn't that actually be kind of a unique thing.
I mean, it's been the football club thing has been
popular in soccer. You have you know, like you have
l A, f C, l A Galaxy, all of that.
Like just doing something different. That might be Dan Snyder's answer,
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like we're to Washington Football Club, like we're not the
you know, like just leave the nickname off. You don't
even have to have one if you don't want to.
And that can be even his way to say, listen,
I'm bucking the system. We're still to Washington Football Club
like that. That's it. That's who we are, this is
our city, this is all of that. Just just own it.
But I do love the way that uh. I thought
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it was very classic, the way he wanted to ease
into this, Like they haven't been talking to Native Americans
talking to people about this for for decades. Now about
the name. Oh, now we're gonna do a thorough review. No,
you're changing the name. You're trying to figure out what
you're what you're gonna gonna do. But this is a
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pr way to say it. No, just I get it though. Okay, Dan,
you're changing the name with this quote unquote thorough review.
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
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And the man that we're gonna bring in to talk
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about this is uh Mr Nick ash You. He is
the host over at NBC Sports Washington and at one
oh six point seven the Fan. You can find him
on Twitter at Nick ash You. It's not it sounds
like a sneeze, but it is spelled a s h
o O h. Nick, welcome to the show. It absolutely
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sounds like a sneeze. Um, thank you for joining us today. So, uh,
Dan Snyder has clearly dug in his heels for years
and now they're doing a quote unquote formal review of
the name. Do you think it will be changed? Yes,
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I honestly do, and I would have never said this before,
but with the way things have gone, with FedEx coming
out and saying that they wanted them to change the name.
And by the way, the person that came out from
fed X, it's not only the CEO, but he has
a minority state in the Redskins, and Nike took down
all of their apparel from their website. Um and at
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this point now, the conversation always was they will change
the name when the money stopped flowing in, because the
big thing about the Redskins is they're still worth a
lot of money even when they're losing. The fan base
has been there and they've had the sponsors and even
when people aren't showing up the games, they're still making money.
If they start losing money, which seems to be the
case now, then at least the threat of it. I
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absolutely think this is going to change. And it's weird
to say that because this has been a battle that's
been going on long before even Dan Snyder owned the team.
But now it's it seems like it's it's come to
a head, and I think people are considering this in
a different situation than they ever had before. How does
the fan base really feel about it? Because it felt
like Snyder previously, Nick had the backing of the fan base. Um,
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I'm not sure that's the case anymore, but but what
is the feel in d C about the nickname? Very
very mixed. Um. And by the way, I apologize, there's
there's an echo in my ear. I hear myself, So
if I sound weird, that's just me hearing myself. But um,
the what's going on right now is a mix of
opinions on both sides. Do you have a lot of
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people to talk about it and say, well, the history
of the team and how can you get rid of
that and how you can change that? And that's really
the a lot of the older generation because not my generation.
People my age. We grew up and I'm a Redskins fan.
I grew up a fan of the team. My dad
was a fan of the team, and he he raised
me a Redskins fan, and I tell him every week,
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I'm like, you've ruined my life from Jim a Redskins fan.
But the team has been awful for a long long time,
and people that are my generation in their thirties really
only look at them as the dysfunctional franchise that can't
win games and a lot of people say, you know what,
if you change the name, it's kind of a fresh start,
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and I think we'll take it. And it's it's just
it's becomes something that I actually feel is more split
than it ever was, where it felt like there were
more people that were very against it. Don't change it.
This isn't you know, this isn't something that should be
offensive to anybody. But as this is evolved, I've really
noticed a different change, in a different tone from a
lot of people where it feels at least much more split.
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And that that's just I mean, being in this market
and seeing for so long this conversation and seeing the
change that's happened now is it's definitely a different tone
than it was before. Even with a fan base. I've
heard so many people nick say that, oh this is
this is new. Why are people bringing this up now?
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And so can you tell people how long did this
conversation has been being had? I mean forty years? I
mean I remember Tony Kornheiser would talk about how we
wrote a column about this thirty years ago. I mean,
it's this has been going on for decades. It's just
one of the things that does change. So you guys
are certainly aware of this. Like social media changes everything,
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people are able to get opinions out there, and then
those opinions spread to other people, and there's information that
people get and whether it's always right or it's always
true as a old different conversation, but social media has
certainly changed that now and this is definitely nothing new.
This maybe outside of DC, it might seem like a
new thing to a lot of people, but I can
promise you this that every couple of years, this conversation
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drums up, and you know, we get more attention as
as time goes on. So it's no surprise to me
that this is now being not only a conversation again
now but stronger than what it ever was before. Nick Ash,
you have NBC Sports Washington joining us here on Fox
Sports Radio, and I should also say former Fox Sports
Radio host before he went on to bigger and better
things in the Nation's capital. Find him on Twitter at
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Nick Ash. You, George and I were talking earlier, and
I think that there could be and I want to
I want to get your thoughts on this, Nick. I
think there could be an argument that Dan Snyder actually
does something positive that this could be a plus for him.
Is this gonna be thought of if a change is
made as a positive or is he going to be
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looked at as the guy who's forced into the decision.
And it's kind of the same old say mold with
his ownership brain. That honestly goes back to the split
in the fan base and how they feel about changing it.
To begin with. There were a lot of people, I
think nationally that will look at this and say, good job,
good for him, and they're going to applaud it. There's
gonna be a lot of people within the Redskins fan
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base that hate him more because of that. But I
will tell you what will ease the pain on this
a little bit, because the issue for so long is
that the Redskins have wanted a new stadium. Anybody outside
a DC that hasn't been there, I can tell you
FedEx Field, where the Redskins play is trashed. It is
an awful, awful stadium. They've wanted one for a long
time and it's been landover Maryland. They want to go
back to the site where RFK Stadium is, where the
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Redskins played in their glory day, And the conversation for
a long time was they probably are going to be
able to go there until they change their name. And
Mariel Bowser, who is the mayor of DC, has not
come out in the past and said specifically they need
to change their names to be here. She has now
said the only way they're coming back and they're going
to the RFK site is if they change their names. So,
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if you have the opportunity to be there and build
a brand new, beautiful stadium in the perfect location in
downtown DC where the RFK site is now by the way,
the stadium is getting demolished in about a year, I
think no matter what, So if you're able to do that,
I didn't put that out on Twitter. I was like,
if you was a Redskins fan, have to deal with
the Redskins changing their name, but getting a new stadium,
what you take it? And most people willing to accept that.
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And I was sold a few months ago too that
they were talking to Amazon and their ultimate goal was
Amazon Field at RFK. But they've had a lot of
hang ups and shocking it's DC a lot of politics
involved with this too. But if this name change were
to happen, there's a very good chance they could go
back to that site, build a new stadium, and then
a lot of people would say, all right, you changed
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the name, but the stadium is beautiful and I'm happy again.
It's it's amazing what a new beautiful stadium can do
for a lot of fans, because nobody shows up to
the one right now, so they'd love to go to
a new one. I've bet I got nick, I got
two quick options for name changes. Tell me which one
that you like the best. I floated out the Washington
Valor or the or keeping the colors the same, all
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of that, and then just going with the Hogs or
something like that because that's what they were known for
in the in the in the eighties of John Riggins,
all of that, Like, wouldn't that be an awesome name
as well? I think there's a chance that people would
accept that you really do have to keep the colors
and that, you know, I put out their name Washington
Valor because that was the Arena League team that we
had for like two years, and I just love the name.
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But they were red, white and blue. You can't you
can't really change the colors from Bernie and Gold. People
love them, So Hogs would be something people have thrown
around warriors, which is kind of boring to me. But
you could kind of keep some of the stuff that
you have in terms of the colors and maybe the
way some of the logo could change a little bit,
the red tails, which is like those those fighter planes
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from like World War Two. The thing with these names
is people throughout a ton of different ones, and it
always sounds weird because you're used to the name that
it is. But I think people at least want to
keep the colors and that will help a little bit.
He's Nick ash You NBC Sports Washington and one of
six point seven the Fan. Find him on Twitter at
Nick ass You Nick, great to talk to you again,
have a grade fourth. Thanks for having me. Guys, be
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sure to catch the live edition of The Doug gott
Leap Show weekdays at three pm Easter noon Pacific. So
the IFEL Players Association doesn't want any preseason games, the
NFL owners may want to. I know where there won't
be preseason games. That's in college football because all of
the game's count now. The question is when will those
games that count actually be played. George is a six
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year NFL VET also played collegiately at ore Agon, which
is in the Pac twelve conference. And George, there's some
news coming from Pack twelve commissioner Larry Scott, who we
will hear from in a second, as he spoke with
the inside the n C double a Twitter account talking
about fall football. But this is this is a a
(23:55):
conversation that's gone on recently. You've had leagues now like
the IVE League, trying to be possibly proactive and in
maybe making plans. We shouldn't find out next week if
they're going to have a spring football season instead of
a fall football season. But with this recent spike in
coronavirus cases across the country just put a little bit
(24:17):
more doubt in my mind on how college football, or
college football as we know it could be played. Oh
now you're coming along to finally, Dan, Finally you have arrived.
I have been saying this. I want college football more
than anything there is in football in general. Love it.
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But the reality that we're facing is is that this
is not a situation that looks very likely at this point.
And we're more likely to see football in in spring
slash April than we are in the fall. And it's
for that's your opinion that we're gonna see it's more
likely in the spring that it is the fall. Yes, absolutely,
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because of what you just mentioned about the IVY League.
So the IVY League talked about one of their contingency
their main contingency plans is to move football from the
fall into April or the springtime or the springtime. And remember,
the IVY League, the same people who in UH in
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the end of February beginning of March said that they
were going to UH skip their conference tournament, and then
a couple of days later that they weren't even gonna
send a team to the n C Double A tournament
because of the the coronavirus. And then everybody's saying they're overreacting,
they're overreacting. A couple of weeks later, March thirteenth, everything
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shut down. The IVY League was ahead of the curve
because they had the A. They are some of the
brightest minds and one of the some of the best
research has fitals, not just in the United States, in
the world. They have some of the best epidemiologists, the scientists,
all of this stuff working there at the university, so
they have its UH special knowledge. And then you fast
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forward to them saying now that they may move football
back to the spring. The IVY leagues dan they don't
have a vested interest in in terms of financially with
sports the same way that uh Power five universities do,
so they can make objective decisions about whether they should
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play sports or not based upon whether it's a health issue,
a second wave or anything like that is objective, the
same as just rather being safe than sorry, because that's
what to me seems like where these Power five schools,
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with these athletic department budgets, they're the ones that really
have to take a look and say, okay, we kind
of need football to support the other sports. And we've
seen schools have to eliminate sports because of coronavirus shutdown.
And now if you don't have a football season or
a football season like you normally would, there's even gonna
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be more decisions having to be be made withinside that athletic department,
where maybe the IVY League doesn't have that opportunity. That's
why I'm not sure if it's objective more than they
have less to lose than these Power five Well, if
if if you aren't needing sports for your financial solvegncy,
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then that's what I say that means that you can
make an objective decision because you're not saying we need
this money to support everything else. You're saying, no, uh no,
we we can make an objective choice. And the IVY
League is not the only people that are kind of
seeing the writing on the wall. We've already seen the
South Carolina governor, the governor of South Carolina where Clemson
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and South Carolina are um U S e U S
East are say that he would be willing to shut
down football and may have to based upon the coronavirus
numbers and the whole idea of the student athlete and
all of that. And also you have packed with that
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affects the A, c C and the SEC. And then
you have Larry Scott who came out and said this
one of the threshold considerations will have to make as
we think about FAULL sports coming up is weather we
stick with the traditional approach that we're either all moving
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forward together or none of us are moving forward together,
whether that's within the league, within the f BS Division one,
or whether this is such a unique situation with really
varied experiences and situations at our campuses that there might
be some where there's broad populations of students on our
campuses and we can compete in college athletics, and there
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might be somewhere we can't. That's a big deal. Dan, Well,
you know, there's a lot of logistics having to deal
with with this. I do think it's the conversation about
students is one George that I I haven't necessarily grasped
for the sake of I do believe in technology and
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how technology and how classes more and more you can
you can take classes online. But you know, as a
football player, and I don't know what the system was
at Oregon, I know, you know, just down the road
from US at U c l A, you're in a
quarter system, so you're maybe not starting classes until late September,
where the college football season is already a month in
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and students haven't been on campus. I don't the the connection.
I'm uh, you know, I'm saying to myself, Okay, well,
what's you know, what's the difference if if they just
don't return? It's I mean football is being played during
this time. I also think that when you go to
the to look at the geographic situations of these schools,
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I'm a big ten guy, I'm from Big ten country.
I know what February weather is, and so when you
want to talk about having like a spring season, it's
different than late November, like winter usually hasn't arrived at
that point, and now you're gonna be playing football in
February or possibly in March in the April. I just
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think logistics wise, and and Penn States a d said
spring football to have the the season in the spring
is their last resort. I just don't think it's just
as easy of like, oh, well, play in the spring
and will make up our money that way. I just
I don't think it's that easy. And that's why I
just don't think that it's on the horizon for college football. Well,
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the first thing is where you said the whole student
athlete thing. I'm sorry, the whole students on campus. The
problem with saying, okay, well the quarter system, like the
school you went to, Oregons on the quarter system, as so, okay,
you'll you'll you'll play three or four games before the
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season even starts, like I was used to that. The
problem with it is if you are saying that it's
not safe enough for the student body population to be
on campus, why is it smart enough? Why is it
okay for athletes to be on campus and you aren't,
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And yeah, just to pump money intough the school pay
salaries all that when they are not paid employee ease.
That's the issue because it goes back to the whole
UH debate about amateurism. Oh, these are college guys. They're
about their students first. They shouldn't be paid all of this. Well,
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you can ask professionals to make UH sacrifices in terms
of their their health well being because they're well paid
in their entertainers. But if you're gonna say that, these
are student athletes and students first, but it's not safe
enough for students to be on campus too. Clearly some
schools believe that. USC just came out and said they're
doing online classes in the fall. So if it's not
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safe enough for the students, how is it safe enough
for the student athletes. That's fair point. It's a very
fair point, you know, and and and looking at it
at that way, there there is legitimacy there. I would say,
as a football player, as you are playing and listen
to a majority of them, a large majority of them
are not gonna be going to the next level and
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playing in the National Football League, They're going to have
a different life outside of football when they play. It
would probably make the campus situation much easier to navigate
if there aren't other students on there, if you want to,
you know, be safer in that in that essence of
of having it. I just I I think that there
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are a lot of logistics that are just not I mean,
you know, there are two money makers in sports. In
collegiate sports, usually there are some athletic departments that that differ.
Maybe in the maybe in the Southeast, baseball makes a
little bit more. Uh, maybe the hockey program at a
school is popular, maybe like a Yukon, the women's basketball
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team is a money maker, but it's football the majority.
You hope to make some money on men's basketball, which
most schools do, and then you're kind of in the
red with everything else. And so now if you have
a college football season, George, and you're covering up the
college basketball season which just had to end their season,
you know, I know there's gonna be like financial hits,
But I just I think that there's just a lot
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of stuff that would be I know, they're trying to
make the best of a bad situation. But it's just
not as easy for me to think, like, hey, you're
gonna take this season and move it to the fall
and then start March one and be done on you know,
May fifteen. I mean, if I'm Trevor Lawrence or I'm
Justin Fields, I'm not playing spring football. You know, like,
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there's absolutely no way you would. So if I'm Trevor
Lawrence or Justin Fields and I'm protected to be a
top ten pick, you move football back. You you will,
you will. The next time you see me will be
an NFL uniform. But there I mean, there's no point
in them to do that. There's only increased risk and
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the and the and I do agree with you Dan
about that. You can't just say, oh, let's move it
back to spring, no, no, no problem. I do think
that there is like you're in an untenable situation because
playing football in the fall also means that now you're
dealing with roster issues, and how are you gonna deal
if if a if a player tests positive and then
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in your quarterback room test positive, how do you how
do you do that? And then it comes in a
risk of of of tolerance because the amount of the
amount of student athletes that so there are seventy three
thousand college football players in in the nation each year
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each school. What is the risk tolerance for a school
for somebody even though the chances of what we know
right now of young kids eighteen and twenty two getting
sick or dying from the coronavirus is very low. So,
but but what's your tolerance if you are a school
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for not even somebody dying, because that tolerance has to
be zero. But overall, what is the tolerance for somebody
actually getting sick and not dying? Because that will cost
you a fortune in litigation. You're gonna have class action
lawsuits people uh faking symptoms. You're gonna have to I mean,
there's gonna be a range of of economic issues that
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you're gonna have to deal with that they're trying to avoid.
And right now, I just don't know what the answer is.
But playing football in the in the fall looks very unlikely.
As the South Carolina governor the Pact twelve USC cutting
off in person classes, this could be a problem going forward.
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It's you know we're talked about We started off the
show talking about the Redskins name change and how I
feel that things really have changed in the last two months.
I mean, things have changed so much in the last
two weeks with coronavirus UM. For for the spike that
we had seen. I I think that George, we were hopeful.
We were hopeful. Um, I think everybody was hoping, no
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matter what side you or. I don't think anybody wanted
this to stick around. I don't think that anybody who
wears the masks versus someone who doesn't want to wear
a mask, I still think that those people are hopeful
that this thing goes away or or isn't there. The
issue now is I don't know if we're two weeks ago,
if we're sitting here having this conversation, I think that
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this is so far off in the horizon that it's
not even we're thinking, all right, you know, we saw
we heard Jeane Smith of Ohio State at the a
D saying, you know, a month or two ago, twenty
five to fifty and then we're like, okay, maybe there
won't be fans or not. But what's scary is that
now the spring has been brought up in these last
two weeks, and as a football fan, it's it's right
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around the corner. I mean we're on July three, August three.
You know, guys are sitting there on the football field
getting ready for the start of their season. So decisions
have to be made. They have to be made soon.
Think about this, dude. They the n c double A
put out a thing that said that they were gonna
have six weeks to ramp up for players to work out,
that they needed that to make sure that they were
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injury prevention guys to get back in shape. You've already
had multiple colleges shut down their workouts because they've had
so many positive tests and some of the people are symptomatic.
So now you're not even gonna have that six week
ramp up, which is the which is another part of
the issue. And people will tell you all day. You'll
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you'll you'll have people telling, well, these kids are more
likely to die in a car crash. Yeah, but what
is your risk tolerance? Like you already, like you assume
certain risks when you get in the car, you assume
certain risks when you go play football. You you could
get injured, you could die, you could all of these
things from certain things. But to add additional risks to
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that is that we don't know the long term effects
of and you can't even prep people for because you
don't know their lies. The rub with all of this,
be sure to catch the live issue of The Doug
gott Leap Show weekdays at three p m. Easter noon
Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. Well,
(39:08):
I don't think everybody would take Mike Gundy in these fights.
Mike Gundy in the news getting a new contract from
Oklahoma State, and it's not an extension. Gundy taking a
pay cut, according to athletic director Mike Holder, a one
million dollar pay cut, also had his contract amended in
various spots as he will remain as the head coach
(39:29):
at Oklahoma State. The the statement released by the school
saying that they found uh no issues with gundhy in
terms of uh in terms of race, but saying that
he has to develop a better rapport, if you will,
with the players. But still Mike Gundy taking a million
dollar pay cut, and that's what I don't understand. If
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nothing was was found that he did wrong or there
were violations made, then why is he taking, according to Holder,
a voluntary pay cut. I don't I don't understand why
one thing doesn't happen, but then there is a consequence
to it. Is there any reason why you would think
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Mike Gundy would have a million dollars lesson pay each
season in his contract and having these other stipulations of
of a buyout being trimmed and other guarantees. I I
just I'm having a tough time reading this. George. A
year ago, they he just got an extension to three,
(40:32):
gave him a hundred and twenty five thousand dollar raise
and added years like five he was making, so now
he was gonna make five point one to five million dollars. Well,
that that's what he's made for the season. He's gonna
make even more than that for the season. So why
on earth would you take a pay cut following an
(40:54):
investigation about some possible racist stuff going on in your
um with within your team and the culture and all
of that, And the results of it were that the
university's quote unquote independent people inside the university said that
he just needs to have a better relationship with his players.
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So if all you need is a better relationship with
your players, why on earth are you taking a million
dollar pay cut lowering your lowing the school's guaranteed money
to you. So and what works is so coaches contracts
like a big time coaches, they're usually in between seventy
(41:39):
five of their contract is guaranteed if they get fired.
He lowered that from seventy five percent to fifty and
cut the years down from five to four years. That
means that it makes the school a lot easier to
get rid of him. I believe then that had it
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not been for the pandemic, they would have fired Mike Gundhi.
We don't know, because at the end of the day,
you have to be able to recruit. If optics are
bad about you and your program, you can't recruit because
that's the lifeblood. And if there was nothing there my mind,
he may not have been calling people the N word,
(42:23):
may have not been doing all of this stuff, but
it could have been some stuff, some unsavory, some below
board things going on that they found and they're like, oh,
we're in the middle of a pandemic. We can't fire
him because it's gonna cost us because it's not necessarily
true things that give you with costs. So we're gonna
have to pay him out all this money through and
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then to get another coach. We have to steal someone
from somewhere else pay thereby out give him a huge
contract during a pandemic when we're not sure about money. No,
he will be gone after this year though, really because
is this is this is how I this is how
I would have viewed this. This situation is if if
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Mike Gundhy was gonna take a million dollars less in
his contract and not gonna have it was a rollover
contract where each year would have another year added on,
and that is no longer the case. Now He's just
got uh four years left on his contract and if
there is an extension, they'll have to deal with that
another time. What I would have done, George or in
the statement to say we didn't find anything wrong. Mike
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Gundhy was humble and remorseful and promises to have a
better relationship with his players. In doing so, he's donating
one million dollars of his salary to suching such fund
to you know, help the African American community, or help
the the students at Oklahoma State or some way. Don't
take a pay cut, take the money, donate it somewhere
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else and make it a make it part of the mission.
To me, this sounds like and I think what what
you're saying is this makes it a lot easier to
fire him, and that that firing could be coming in
the next you know, six or seven months. If if
that's how you're reading things, I just look at it
this way of make him pay, make him realize, but
(44:12):
make him put his money where his mouth is, because
I'm just getting two different messages from Oklahoma State of
saying like, we didn't find anything seriously wrong. We talked
to a lot of players. He just needs to do
a better job, but we're gonna dock you for this.
It doesn't make any sense. The money should be going
to towards a different mission or or or in some place.
It also seems like it's saving Oklahoma State money when
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they may have to cut it from the athletic budget
anyway because of the pandemic. When coaches are taking pay cuts,
it just it doesn't add up. One and one isn't
equaling too you see a firing. I don't know if
it's gonna be a firing. I just think that they
could have done a lot better in in trying to
trying to take this this wrong and putting in a
positive situation, and I just I think they failed in
(44:55):
that aspect. Yeah. And the reason why I think that
the firing will happen not just because of all this stuff,
him continuously putting his foot in his mouth, not being
able to recruit at the highest levels like they want.
It's the winning factor. He's not one the big He's
not one the Big twelve. Hasn't gotten to the playoff
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for a five million dollar coach. That is expected. It
is expected for you to at least, at the very
least win the conference at a five million dollar coach. Yeah,
and he has been flirting with the bottom of it, well,
the middle middling in the conference. This has not been
just Oklahoma State has not been excelling. And you don't
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think of them as saying, oh wow, yeah they're they're
a contender. No. Be sure to catch the live edition
of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three p m.
Easter noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I
Heart Radio app. Joining us now covering Major League Baseball
from the USA Today, taking a few minutes to talk
about the numbers that just came out and also the
(45:58):
Mic Trot decision, so much more. Bobb and I and
Gil joins us here on the Doug Gottlip Show on
Fox Sports Radio. Hey, Bob, I just want to fill
you in. We didn't get to the to the numbers
that Major League Baseball had with the coronavirus testing. We
were talking though about Mike Trout and the decision that
he made. Would you be surprised if Mike Trout doesn't
join the Angels for this subreviated sixty game season? Yeah,
(46:22):
I would. Uh, you know, I think that most would
happen uh when Mike Trout would play, uh, you know
until maybe a couple of weeks afore the babies doing
I'm not sure what would the babies do, and then uh,
and then return to the Angels after afterwards. Uh. So
you know, it's kind of he's an awkward situation. I mean,
(46:43):
the first child, everything else, but yet going his sixty
game season, anything can happen. Uh. So you know, he
wants to know what his teammates in the ice two
saying I'm gonna do everything possible for us to uh
to win a playoff. Birth. So I think he's you know,
it's kind of a mixed thing. I could see him
taking time off certainly waiting for the baby and after,
(47:06):
but I don't see him missing the world season. I don't.
How well, what do you think about what Buster only
the Baseball Writer had to say about a zero percent
chance of baseball actually finishing their season and only a
five percent chance of it getting started. When you have
players opting out all of this, Where are your percentages
(47:29):
on this? Yeah, I don't. I don't go that know,
I'm gonna go fifty truth. But this past week is
the first week. I said, man, it's not a good
how they're gonna do this with the pandemic going nuts,
you know, and all the uh, you know, big stage
in California, attentions Florida and things like that. But then
we only see one point two of the guys that
(47:51):
tested positive. It's like when you get a current encouraged again.
So I think this first week is bid. I think
they get to this one. They get through the spring
and the first week of games are big because those
players will be traveling and everything else and staying in hotels.
Bob Nightingale the USA Today joining us here on Fox
Sports Radio. That actually leads into my next question. Are
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there contingency plans on if there is an increase for
Major League Baseball. Are there additional measures that they would
take or is it just like we're gonna play or
we're not gonna play. How is this going to proceed
if these numbers change once the season begins. Yeah, I
don't think the uh, those big condigious plans they don't.
You know, maybe if one team or two teams can't
(48:34):
play the site, they can figure it out. But as
far as just not playing at all, uh in showing
the sport down, I don't see that. I really don't, Bob,
I think that the I've always thought that the NBA
had a good solution with playing all in one place
because you don't have to get an airport's hotels. You
(48:58):
know that you minimize the risk. What about the like
how much serious discussion was there about the MLB playing
in their in their spring training locations in Florida and Arizona,
splitting the deal up like that. Well, they stainly thought
about it. Presented the idea. They ask the players would
(49:19):
you be interested in? And they weren't. They said no, no,
we don't want to be away from our families all
the season long. And the NBA seasons almost over so
this is starting from new and and and being gone
and uh, you know, I'm stuck in sucking kind of
a bubble type thing. And it's a good thing. The players,
they wanted to do it because of the you know,
right now Arizon with the highest rates in the country.
(49:40):
Florida's out of control. So when I worked, it would
have completely fallen apart. What about the these And I
don't want to say secrecy of all of this, but
teams won't announce if a player tests positive. And Bob,
I understand hippo rules and I get everything with that.
I just think that this situation is different. You think
(50:00):
that we will hear from players if they test positive
or Major League Baseball or does major League Baseball want
players to do that? What's their stance on on who
actually test positive? You know, the name respecting Uh that
the primacy. A couple of players today tests positive, including
Divionel Deshiels Jr. And Uh And he came out told that,
(50:22):
Amy and you go ahead and rebuild my name. You know,
I'll talk about it. So it's just a privacy thing, uh,
you know, but it is screens and you know the
NBA guys that pretty much you know, giving their blessing
to do that. Maybe baseball will get more comfortable at
some point. But you know we've had a lot of
positive tests. Uh, you don't burn the shut down here
(50:43):
and step forward and said, oh yeah, I was one
of them. Um, what is well, how is baseball planning
on handling the roster situation because we know in football
and other sports where you may have you know what
will this be dealt as as a temper very i
R situation or um or will it be a long
(51:05):
term or they get new designations? And how does this
affect you know, workers, cop claims and anything like that. Yeah,
it would be more workers comp I mean they you know,
I know, uh as the writers you gotta find sign
a waiver form. The players aren't doing that, but yeah,
just be more of what workers contact thing. Never know,
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they have sixty sixty players as every camp, so you
can also you know, if someone gets sick and you'll
bring someone in and let's designed for if you have
ten fifteen guys get sick. Uh, you know they can
replace those players. You know it won't be the star
players obviously, be more minor league kids, but you know
they contingent plan and set up that way. Well what
(51:50):
real quick? Now, I was more asking about the the
the d L. Will there be a shorter d L
or something like like that for them to deal with? Yeah,
it would be more are like a just like a
ten day disabled list. But now if you if you
test positive h you could be back as quick as
three days. Uh so you just kind of go on
his list. But if you test negative twice within the
(52:13):
four hours and your your temperatures normal for seven two hours,
you can return. So that's why you know with the
U sixty players type thing, you know you can actually
just know hide the guy for a while and nobody
even knows it. He's Bob mcnightingale of the USA Today
covering Major League Baseball. We know there's a lot going on.
(52:34):
We appreciate the time, Bob, and uh yeah, good luck
with everything. We'll talk again soon. Okay, thank you. Be
sure to catch the live edition of The Doug gott
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