August 26, 2020 • 43 mins
Doug shares the most impressive part of Paul George’s 35 point playoff performance against the Mavericks. He also talks to Chris Broussard about the future of the NBA playoffs after the players boycotted today’s game following the shooting of Jacob Blake.
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of the Doug Gottli Show on Fox Sports Radio. We
mentioned that last night's playoff game was the biggest of
the career for Paul George. People started making fun of
Playoff P as a nickname and he became Pandemic P.
He ends up having a spectacular night like Paul George
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was and the credit Doc Rivers and also credit Kawhi Leonard.
If you watch really that game, they wanted to get
him going. You know, guys are and again this goes
against analytics, um, but I do believe there are so
and guys. I played with a great player and call
it Deston Mason. If he got a dunk early in
the game, he'd make shots he didn't normally make. He'd
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do things defensively, but if he was missing shots really
in the game, sometimes he could get what's called his
dauber down daubers a little bobber in the water when
you fish. It's a Southern expression. You have certain guys
that if they hit a free throw, it gets their
jump shot going, they get a layout, they get a dunk,
they gotta take a charge. Everybody's different. You know, we
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we told you kind of about the fallacy of of
analytics in that there's this belief that you know, if
you miss shots earlier, you're more likely to make shots.
You know, every shot you have the same percentage chance
of making it. That said, the one of the flaws
and analytics is that it doesn't take in personal confidence,
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personal momentum, or anything. Confidence. You try and take out
the human element, but that's not really possible, you know,
just like it's not that's really the flaw with capitalism
or communism is you know, with with communism, the human
element comes into play because you're like, wait, I work
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harder than he does. She does more for the company
than he does. Why we're all gonna get paid the
same If if our work ethic isn't the same, well
we bring the company is not the same. Right level
of education is not the same, the human element, the
desire for for more is nullified and not really taking
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into account with On paper socialism, communism should work, everybody
working for a common goal, everybody getting taken care of.
That sounds good. The reality is it doesn't work because
the human element. The same thing is true on the
other side with capitalism, it should be survival of the fittest.
You have money, you make money. It should be great.
The problem is that we actually have a soul and
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a conscience, and so yeah, capitalism is great, but we
also needs some socialism. We need to take care of
those who are less fortunate, get them go and give
them a better shot. Because things people aren't all starting
at the same starting block. The same as true in analytics,
takes away that human element to it. If you don't
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think the human element is real, take a listen to
Paul George and what he said was going on before
last night. It was just a little bit of everything
underestimated mental health. Honestly, I had anxiety, a little bit
of depression just being locked in here, you know, just
I just wasn't there. I checked out and it was
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games two, three, four, I wasn't there. I felt like
I wasn't fair. Okay, so um, and I'm gonna play
for you have been at the sound of Charles Barkley,
Who's I think in Charles mind? And to to Charles's defense,
he's right and he's wrong. At the same time, I'm
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going at first of all, I said this was going
to happen. Okay, I said it was going to happen.
It doesn't make me some hero, but it's just not
natural for anybody to be in a hotel for two months,
let alone a guy in his late twenties who's got
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a ton of money. Um, you're not going to react
the same. And I understand the perspective, Okay, understand the
perspective of Hey, you know, what do you really You're
in a hotel, but you're in like a luxury hotel.
You've got chefs, you've got everything you can need, massage, therapist.
All you gotta do is play basketball. Then you can
hang out by the poor we can play golf, you
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go fishing, whatever you want all day. You don't even
have to make your own bed, do your own laundry.
Like this is not real world. That that that's altogether accurate.
But sometimes you like the real you like to get
lost in the real world. If you live in Los
Angeles as much as everybody who doesn't live in Los
Angeless man, the traffic and the traffic can be tedious.
On the other hand, you know, if you live like
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fifteen twenty minutes from work, thirty minutes from work, like
that can be good. That a chance to kind of
catch your breath and just get lost and then refocused
and have family. Or you know, sometimes you're not friends
with guys that you play with, and you're just like,
I work play with those guys. I have my own
life at home, or I like to go out, or
I like to go to the you know, these things
you can't do. And I'm I'm not traditionally a denier
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of mental health issues. I would say that there's there
are a lot of NBA players that that don't realize
how good they have it, and they claim to have
mental health issues. And some of it is just we've
made them bubble boys where they've never had real life,
they've never experienced live in check to check, they've never
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they're they're not real human beings because we've taken away
the human experience from them. But in regards to COVID
and quarantine. I viewed quite differ. Only anybody who has
a kid right now is like, man, my kids doing homeschool.
Some kids do great, some kids don't. People need socialization,
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they need each other that some people need in person education.
They need lunch where you sit around and you know,
your barter your chips, ahoy for their oreos, you know.
I mean I used to have brown Schweiger and mustard sandwiches.
Nobody in the right mind would trade for them. But
I had oreos that I could trade and I could
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get a little chelloopa for which I love. So the
mental health aspect of being in a bubble, to me
is real. Here's Charles Barkley basically calling BS on Paul George. Yeah,
you know, I'm not sure what that was about. I
have already talked to a couple of players and they
were complaining about the food and things like that. I'm
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not sure when you listen the people who are living
in the pandemic, who have lost their jobs. You know,
we got a hurricane balling down on Houston and two hurricanes. Uh,
you know, so I don't think guys making millions of
dollars to be worried just because they're stuck in a
place where they can go fishing and play golf and
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play basketball to make millions of dollars. That's not a
dark place. Uh. The thing that just happened in Wisconsin.
Uh the thing, the thing is happening with this pandemic,
all these people losing their job. Those people are at
a dark place. We are the luckiest people in the
world to dribble a stupid basketball to make millions of dollars.
We're never in a dark place. I just think we
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need to be careful what we're complain about. I mean,
I'm ready to get hit with those two hurricanes in
the middle of a pandemic. That's awful. Man. My thoughts
to those people. Listen, I understand what Charles is saying.
I really really do. Um. He's not wrong. He's speaking
for the rest of America. You think you've got it tough,
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let me put a butt that. It's not how the
brain works. The brain doesn't always have the perspective. It
just doesn't. You can tell people like, dude, you've got
a great life, Like some of the people with the
greatest lives on earth have killed themselves. That's the real thing, Like,
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why would they do that? Because the brain isn't seeing
things with great perspective. It's only seeing when it doesn't
have in the negativity to it. There's a chemical And
I'm not saying that Paul George was to the point
of being suicidal. What I'm saying is when he says, like, man,
I was just out of it. I was just in
a kind of a dark place. It's just it's not
how I've I roll. I I believe it, I buy it.
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It doesn't make me respect him less. It doesn't make
me think he's a spoiled brad. Do I think guys
complaining about the food it sounds bad, sure, but if
if the complaint is the just I'm just struggling. I
keep going back to the same hotel room, Like, look,
I live in you know, you're Paul George and you
come back to l A. I'm sure you bought some
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sick pad, you know. I'm sure you'd like to I like,
I like to go home and just enjoy everything and
not be around anybody but have my own stuff. And
I'm just I'm just off. It's okay to admit you're
off and to talk about it and the more we
shut guys down, the more that like this is. That
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is kind of Charles playing into the old school. Hey
you're fine, you're rich. Rich people don't have any problems thing,
which is is not true. I understand you're supposed to
have perspective. I respect that, I appreciate that. I actually
in many ways agree with that. But that doesn't take
away from what Paul George is saying. And I do
believe that many kids, many athletes, they're going through this stuff.
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I'll give you two examples. I have a son eleven
years old. He is my my best guy friend in
the world. We do every thing together since the time
he was like in three years old, and play baseball.
Now he plays hoop and football. He's played soccer, he's
done wrestling, he's done, he can surf, nothing he can do.
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But and during the pandemic they have they've had baseball workouts,
but no baseball games. And like he walked in the
other day he was like, I don't last week, I'm
quitting baseball. But but but I'm quitting bit I just
don't want to play. I don't enjoy it. And I
don't know if it's COVID related or not. There have
been times in which he, a kid who's self motivated,
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can't get off the couch. We got a hoop out front,
go shoot, I just can't get myself to do it.
We go down and serve. You know, I'm not really
feeling it today. And then I reached out to a buddy,
texted him about my son. He's like, yeah, my son Rowan,
who's like the world's greatest kids, super happy, nine years old.
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He made the hockey team, you know it. Doesn't want
to play hockey. He's the best baseball player in town.
Doesn't want to play baseball. Now, look, their situations are
different than Paul George. But this stuff is real. This
is not and I don't love the word normal because
there is no normal. But it is not normal for
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NBA players to live in a bubble. The whole world
is going on, there's protests, there's an election. Year, you're
in the sun. You're some guys are like summer guys.
I know everyone knows a summer guy like man, I
can't wait till summer. Go to the lake. There goes beach.
Then always go to you know, turks and cacos. I
go to this, I go to that whatever, Like your
summer's gone. You're in a hotel. The food's fine, but
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there's never been a resort that serves hundreds of people
that has you know, exquisite dining day after day after day,
and you just gotta get worn down by it. It's
not a normal existence to play basketball in front of
five people like that's not normal. It doesn't make it bad,
and it doesn't mean that the b A shouldn't do it.
It's great for business, and I think awesome for the
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league's future, and I enjoy it greatly, but I do
realize that there's a human cost to it. There's the
human element to it. And so when I hear Paul
George saying, I nodded my head and go like, yeah, man,
I know a lot of um um. I would really
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really really really like to have a further conversation about this.
And it's something that frankly we told you was in
fact coming, that the bubble is going to adversely affect
some in terms of their level of performance. And that's
what happened to Paul George. And I don't know if
he broke out of it for good, but sure felt
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like it last night and to deny that and say
that because there's these dueling hurricanes, Like, all right, I'll
good with the Clippers last night, by the way, I
mean Paul georget on eighteen shots, Kawhi Letter thirty two
on nineteen shots, Montrez Harrold nineteen on eleven shots and
eleven boards. They win one fifty four to one eleven
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ouch ouch. And a lot of that is Paul George
breaking out of the malaise of whatever mental health issue
he's gone through in the Bubble, which I very much bide.
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App Doug Alliam Show, Fox Sports Radio. Massive breaking news
in the NBA. Let's get tied of along cross breaking
news from Fox Sports. Adrian war Janowski has just reported
that the Milwaukee Bucks are boycott in Game five of
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the playoffs against the Orlando Magic that had been scheduled
to tip off eleven minutes ago in the Lando Bubble
in protest of Sunday shooting of Jacob Blake in Kenosha, Wisconsin.
Now for the record, the next scheduled game today would
be Game five between the Thunder and Houston that is
scheduled to tip off at six thirty Eastern, just over
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two hours from now in another facility in the bubble.
Then tonight at nine Eastern is scheduled for Game five
between the Trail Blakers Trailblazers and Lakers. Some reaction already
coming in from other NBA players in the bubble, Donovan
Mitchell of the Utah Jazz tweeting quote, we demand change,
salute at Bucks and as Cancer of the Boston Celtics
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tweeting moments ago, simply a raised fist in solidarity Doug
Doug Olives show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, so
um hmm, okay, so let me let me just kind
of catch my breath here and try and figure this out.
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Uh okay, So they're they're boycotting the game. They they obviously, Um,
everyone's upset. I don't. I'm trying to figure out what
this accomplishes other than everybody's upset. Isaac, do you have
do you have like do you have a thought on it?
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I mean I I was actually thinking about this earlier today. Um,
you know a few months ago when thee George Floyd
tragedy happened, Um, you know, growing up in some in
California like you at the same time when the riots
were here, the Rodney King riots in ninety two, and
I said to myself, you know, I can't imagine standing here,
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you know, twenty years from now, ten years from now,
and having to go through this again with another victim
and another murder and another senseless tragedy. That's what I
thought to myself a couple of months ago, a couple
of months ago, I said, I don't want to be
standing here twenty years from now and having this will
be the reality of what people have to deal with
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in this world, and what what do we have? You know?
Three months later, four months later, it happened again. So
everything that happened, I think, I just I gotta, I gotta,
I gotta warn you. We we do this thing, Okay,
we we do this thing, and it's and you're not
alone in doing it. I do feel like that we
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as Americans, it's just human beings. In two thousand twenty,
we do this thing. You see something a viral video,
and it becomes this happens all the time, and but
isn't once too much though, of course it is, of
course it is, but outlier human behavior does not you
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know what I mean. It's like, there's lots of awful
things that happened right there, there's a there there was
I think she's a college student walking in Central Park
who was murdered by two teenagers. They're they're facing the
Columbia student. Yes, okay, like it happened. It was a
robbery gone wrong and this poor girl dies, right and
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you know, one, there wasn't the outrage to it. But two,
we don't make We're we're we're told like, let's not
make and let's be smart. Let's not make assumptions that
this happens all the time. Murder rates are far lower
than they have ever been in modern society. I can't
go back, you know. But but but before you know,
if we just go my lifetime seventies six till now, like,
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murder rates are are exceptionally low, and I would I
would guess that, and I'm not. I'm guessing, you know,
like the number of was the number of people nine
people were unarmed killed by police last year in America,
nine people, nine nine black people were killed unarmed by police.
So it feels like this happens all the time. Do
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I think that police have harassed young men for a
long time, Yes, young black men. I've heard enough stories
from enough friends. Yeah, But there's a difference in harassment
and this type behavior. Now there is another side to it,
which I think is important. And let me start with
with this, and this is the most important thing I said.
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Unlike anybody else, I'm outraged by what I saw, Like
what like it didn't even seem real that a guy is, like,
you're standing there and you just fire like seven shots
into his back. On the other hand, I don't I
don't know what he's reaching for and I don't know why.
I don't know enough about police procedure. But he broke
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out of being held down, and then I don't think
they let him go around the car, but he did
seem to go kind of scott free around the car.
Like there's a lot of things that are confusing, But
like anybody, I'm outraged by it. Right, the first dance
not what I believe to be acceptable behavior by the officer.
And maybe I'm wrong, Maybe that is that's how they're
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supposed to roll. And I don't know enough about police procedure.
But but this is hold on, but but okay, this
is really really really important. We never ever go, hey,
what do you think it's like to be a cop?
Right now? Right? What do they? I have a friend
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who's a long time friend of mine. He's a former
basketball player and somebody I respect a great deal. Now,
he's black, he's not white, but he's a cop. And
he's like, look where I work, there's protests daily for
the entirety of the ten years I've been a police officer.
This is the first time that they're shooting at us
and throwing bricks at us. And it happens now daily.
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Since the George Floyd thing, we haven't our procedures have
gotten better. And if we talked a lot about the
flaws in in the police department and in the unions,
and he's very realistic about things, and he kind of
explained things to me a little bit better. But but
the the point is, we we don't do a very
good job of understanding, like, imagine being a cop right now,
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where we've done this thing where we've assumed that Lebron
James is assuming that white cops are hunting black men down,
that that's not true. Okay, Kaepernick's saying their modern day
kind of slaves and slave traders or whatever, and and
and we're operating under this assumption that because we've seen
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some videos that the police are constantly harassing black people,
when the like the strongest likelihood and every number of
statistic tells you this happens far less that it's ever happened.
And to your point, Isaac, one is too many, right,
one is too many. And outrage is good because it
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can bring change. Um. But but we we we do
this thing. We don't like. Look, we're not the only
ones in the pandemic. Police officers in the pandemic. Like
all those mental healthy issues that we just guys about
Paul George and our kids in homeschool whenever, like, police
officers are going through that. Plus they're under fire. Plus
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you know, like and Kenosha doesn't have they don't have,
um the funding was disputed, so they don't have the
body cameras. They don't have cameras in the cars. So
I don't know if we'll ever get true clarity on
what happened, it'll be he said. He said, but it's
reasonable to believe that even with the best training and
we don't give them. And this is to what Doc
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Rivers said, sometimes the training, but we're not always selecting
the best in the brightest. It's not like it's not
like the valedictorian from Kenosha High School. Iss like, you
know what, I'm not gonna go to college. I'm gonna
go become a cop. Why would anybody want to be
a cop? Alright, So you have people who are on
the job and now they're under siege for doing the
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right thing. Plus people have more guns than they've ever had.
We're already too many guns in our country. And then
when the pandemic hits and there's riots, people not even
like there's record gun sales. So I want you to like,
we all need to collectively take a breath, and you're
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very much allowed to be outraged, to protest, to say
we need change, we need clarity, we want you want justice, um,
not just for Jacob Blake, but also for anybody who's
a victim of a crime, for anybody but from by
a police officers supposed to keep you safe, supposed to
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keep you safe. But we also have to take a
breath and understand that as much pressure as you think
you're under because you don't know if you're gonna have
your job tomorrow, you don't know when the pandemic will end.
You don't know a lot of things. Who's gonna be
the president, you don't know, you know, um, you know
if your kids are gonna go to school? Are they
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gonna stay at home all year? We don't know all
these things. Have that and then imagine all the other
pressures of being a police officer, and you may not
be acting in a normal fashion. We started this show
talking about how Paul George. I believe what Paul George
said is a real thing, that he was not himself,
and that the bubble and quarantine and COVID and all
the images on TV and he's out of it. I
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believe that. Imagine that same state and now your police officer,
you have to go to work. So I'm not making
excuses for the behavior we saw on the video and Kenosha, Wisconsin, none,
it's not acceptable. Justice to me is the d A
collects all the information and if they if you, you
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in charge whomever with the crime, and then you taken
to court and then they have their day in court.
And that's what justice looks like in our country, it's
your day in court. That's what looks like it's it's
not you know, throwing bricks and dudes firing bullets of
dudes burning things down. You can absolutely protest and sitting
out this game. I guess Mike question was sitting out
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the game is does that strengthen their voice or weaken
their voice? And I don't know the answer to it.
I do think this will be a massive, massive story
and in the short term, in the one day, the
short news cycle, all of those Milwaukee Bucks should be
out in front and they should have a game plan
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for how to stay on message for why they're doing
it and what it means and why they were willing
to take a loss, because that's what protesting and not
playing the game the I don't believe in Isaac will
give us an update in a second. I don't believe
the Magic chose to protest. That means the Magic will
be awarded a protest win. Right, so lose the game
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intentionally in the NBA playoffs. Here's why we did it,
and here's what we want to see from it. And
as long as it's reasonable. You know, one one of
the things that the Brianna Taylor thing if you've read
the story, is they haven't charged the police officers with
a crime because they don't believe that it could go
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to trial or that anyone could be convicted of it
because of the chaotic nature of a no knock search warrant. Right,
there's a lot to it. But I do wonder, and
I'm wondering, allows Doug otlip Show, Fox Sports Radio, if
you're just joining us. The Milwaukee Bucks have chosen to
protest what happened in Kenosha, Wisconsin, and by doing that,
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they are essentially, I believe, forfeiting today's game playoff game
against the Orlando Magic Game five. So nobody's on the
court right now, the game is supposed to be going on. UM.
I don't know if it accomplishes what they want to
accomplish or what they intend to have accomplished by it.
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But my advice to the Bucks, to the players, to
the organization would be to find a message, get on
message everybody collectively, because if it be spitfire of things
you want to do and change and I won't and
and don't say I won't play again until this happens.
For example, I wouldn't say today, hey, I'm not playing
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another game until those police officers are charged with a crime. Like, Hey,
I gotta tell you, that's not the way it works.
There's a process, a do process that is allowed, and
a process of investigating all of the facts, even if
they're gonna be charged or charged with murder. Like, it
doesn't necessarily work the way you think it works. I
don't know enough about the laws of Kenosha of Wisconsin
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about the normal timeline. I do know that the protest
is going to be heard, and what is said and
the nature of what is requested or demanded is as
important as anything else, especially if everybody stays on message music.
What do you think? But I'm interested in your thoughts. Yeah,
I think this is one of those situations where we've
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seen ever since the George Floyd's situation, NBA player is
trying to do whatever they can in whatever way possible.
Whether it was certain players like most notably Kyrie Irving
voicing concern over whether or not going back to the
bubble would take away from the movement that we're happening
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a couple of months ago. So I just see this
as the latest situation where the Bucks because as you
and Isaac could talk about the reports are the Bucks
were the team that sort of said, hey, let's boycott
the Magic were more wishy washy in terms of whether
or not they were going to do it. Um, so
it looks like the Bucks being the team closest to
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where this latest incident had happened. Um, you know, how
good of a team they are having a player like
Janice on their roster. It seems as though they may
not know how to create a solution, but they're just
trying to do whatever it is that they can right
now to try and I guess create more awareness or
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use some leverage on the situation. Um. And I think
Isaac's got something here. Yeah, Lebron James has just tweeted,
quote bleep this man, we demand it change, sick of it?
Unquote that just tweeted by Lebron James. Okay, but like again,
like what what do you what's a reasonable change? You know? Like,
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what what is what is reasonable change? What? What in
this short period time? Like change does not happen overnight?
It just doesn't, doesn't. It's not like, you know, Tom
Brennaman you know, has a homophobic slur and gets pulled
off the air like that. That what what change do
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you want right now? You you want cops to not
have uh firearms, like I don't they have that in
in England. But also people aren't allowed to have guns.
Like I don't know, I just I get the statements.
But like, look, first of all, like Lebron, I just
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I can't let you off the hook with the we're
being hunted thing, which other people in the Lakers are echoing,
and they're echoing because Lebron says, like it's not it's
totally unfair, it's not true. And you know you you
put everyone in some defensive position. Is there change needed? Yeah? Yeah,
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By the way, that the change is not just needed
with the police officers, all of us need to change. Okay,
you you don't have to want to hear this or not, okay,
but the truth is that the more people have guns,
the more times the wrong people are going to get shot.
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And I don't know if this this gentleman had a
felony conviction against him and arrest warrant doesn't mean that
he should have been fired upon seven times in the back.
But I'm not even talking about the good guys, the
bad in the in the middle. I'm just telling you
that the more people have guns, the more it causes
like people to freak out. It just does because you
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see someone with a gun and you're like, well, they're
gonna use it on me, so I better use it
first before they use it on me. So I I
just I don't know what is truly, you know, like
even Lebron's tweet, what does that accomplish? Give if if
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you want to lead, you gotta lead. That's part that's
this is part of the issue with Kaepernick. You want
to lead, get a lead. By the way, like I
would tell you that one of the interesting parts of
the can No Shift video is it doesn't appear before
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he before the officer fired on him, that there was
an use of excessive force. If anything, it was the
other side of it was the other way right where
they were trying to hold him down and then he
gets up and there it feels like you're trying to
be non lethal I and I guess they had tasted
him once before. I don't understand why you don't just
taste the dude and put him in cuffs and have
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him sit in the curb and try and again. There's
so much I don't know I'm not gonna be the
guy who says, well, this was wrong. Is all I
can tell you is I saw a guy with back
to him and he's getting in a car, maybe he's
reaching for a firearm. He gets shot seven times. That
that doesn't doesn't sit right with anybody, doesn't sit right
with anybody. But I also I just don't. I don't
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know what change in the immediate future is reasonable to ask.
By the way, this from Bobby marks failure to appear
language in the operations manual forfeiture of a game up
to a five million dollar fine. That doesn't mean they'll
be applied. In the case Milwaukee boycotting Game five. Like
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everything this year, they're dealing with situations as they happen
because they have never happened before. I think you gotta
find them. You gotta find them, and then the players
should go into their pockets and pay it, or the
organizations to pay and say, hey, this is worth five
million dollars for us and donate that money to to
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to this fund, because otherwise, what is you gotta You
can't just say we demand change. I'm with you. I
don't want what happened on that video to ever happen again.
But what's a reasonable process and reasonable timeline for that change.
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Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Easter noon Pacific. Chris
Broussar joins us on The Doug Gotlips Show on Fox
Sports Radio. UM, what I mean, like, Look, obviously these
are big statements to refuse to go out and play.
I think it's a mistake because part of what the
Bucks were willing to do is they're willing to lose
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the game for this, for their unhappiness to be noted,
to be known for for a demanding of a change.
Does it take away from it at all that the
NBA is like, don't worry about it, We're just gonna
postpone the games. No, not all. And and and the
report I saw from Stephanie Readio NBA TV she said
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that the Bucks now they were conflicting reports. I know
one report had I saw something that I may have
been false, but that the Magic were refusing to accept
the forfeit. Um so, and then that they've made it jointly,
like the Bucks and the Magic made the decision jointly.
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So I don't think, Um, you know, the the Bucks
would have to lose the game. I think this is uh.
I think this is a huge statement, Doug, obviously, and
I gotta be honest, Obviously, I'm African American. I've never
been more proud of black athletes in my life, never
been more proud. This shows that they are willing to
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sacrifice their own individual money basketball goals for the betterment
of African American people. And I couldn't. I couldn't scoop
them anymore. Um, for what they've done. I think it's tremendous.
What what change is reasonable to demand? That could be
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seen as a as a reason to go Okay, changes coming,
Let's get back out on the floor and play basketball.
The players, probably in Milwaukee probably want the arrest of
the officer who shot Jacob Blake. I would imagine that
that's their most immediate goal. Um. Obviously, it takes a
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little bit of time for things like police reform and
and long term goals. I personally think there should be
systemic change in education, UH and economic areas, as well
as the judicial system or the criminal justice system. But
obviously that that's a longer time. I do think the
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players have immediate blows in mind. And like I said,
it's probably the arrest of the cop that shot Jacob
Blake and the firing of him as well. He's gonna
leave right now. So firing and arrest, well, you can't
have the problem with asking somebody to be fired. Is
it's just like the NBA with a guaranteed contracting unions.
There there is there's protection there. Obviously. I think the arrest,
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it's all going to depend upon the pace of the investigation.
I don't think that's an unreasonable thing because with an
arrest then he can post bail or bond or whatever.
He's not being held in general population, and you know,
then he'll have his his day in court. You know,
if it ever comes to trial, I would assume it
would the investigation continues. I don't think that's unreasonable. But
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the firing of a police officer is hard to do
because of the unions. And that's where like even yesterday
when the powerful you know this like like look at
look at uh we we know a few inces the
football players at the University of Missouri was the I
believe when they threatened the boycott a game and wanted
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to president fired or he ended up resigning obviously under
pressure that the regular student. He had been calling for
his resignation or firing weeks and months. The players, the
football players and we're not playing this weekend, and he
was sitting on within seventy two hours. Also, look at
meek Mill. Meek Mill, powerful black athletes and entertainment have
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been trying to get him out of prison for months,
five months, I believe, robbing the craft, the owner for
the past to get involved, and within two weeks meek
Mill is out. The thing is these you know, owners
are obviously very powerful men, and they have connected you
know how America works, and they have connections to powerful
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people and they can get things done quickly. And I
think that's what the players are County or you kind
of heard friend Vanvlee No, listen, I I understand, I
understand that. I would I would tell you that again.
Like here's the here's where I think players are a
little bit stuck, right, I think if we got down
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to it, um, you know, there's there's a bunch of
different issues. One of the big issues is that unions
protect all of their members. And this happens with every union.
That's what that's what they do, right, and I think
even if you ask police officers like look, and I
don't know about this particular cop and the number of
complaints whatever, but one of the issues that police officers
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have is that there are there are cops that they
all want to have gone because they bring that they
bring down the image of the entire police department. But
the unions protect them. And by the way, the unions
are supported by the same party that most of the
players seem to support. Right, So there's a little there's
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a little bit of yeah, I mean, look, I players
shouldn't we as African Americans, which most of the players are,
I don't think we should be locked into one of
the two parties. So I hear you on that. I
hear you and that. But and that's a good starting point. Though,
I do believe like these players are making demands of
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you know, the n B not the NBA, but demands
of the owners or the lawmakers. By boycotty, I agreed,
I think they African Americans should demand something of their vote.
Why are we if we're gonna vote for you, then
what are we getting out of it? So I'm I'm
with you, and you're and you're thinking they're and hopefully
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the players recognize that because if they're gonna support that party,
then they should get something out of it, and it
could be very much related to what they want they
want with this boycott. Uh Doug otlives show here on
Fox Sports Radio. So what about the teams tomorrow? Right? Like,
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these teams all had their game, their boycotting all postponed,
Like if the guys arrested. I was not surprised at
all with what look once the Buck and Magic did it.
You knew the other two games, another four teams from
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you know what I mean? Like they had no choice.
Lebron we all know how much he wants this championship
and how all in he has always been on it.
You know, he wasn't thinking about boycotting during the shutdown,
but he had no choice. He had no true can
you imagine what he would look like? All the social
work he's done, it would all be for not if
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he had decided, no, we're gonna play. And I think
Doug the same thing. So be the case tomorrow. I mean,
you know, like you you make a good point. What
are they ask? There has to be an assid there
has to be an ass and so well when we
find out what exactly that ass is, then will know
more about the games going forward. But I would imagine
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right now, Doug, they're not gonna play tomorrow. But here's
the thing. As we're talking about the powerful men that
run the NBA, you don't think and Adam silver Mark
last read some of these other powerful owners could make
some things happen quickly. Well, like I said, the one
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arrested the officer, And no, I don't, I know, I know,
I actually I actually don't. I actually don't I think arresting.
I look, I think there's a I think there's a
I think what can happen is you can end up
having the opposite of the intended effect. Okay, this is
really important for people to realize, Like, look, if you
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really this, this is a this is a big thing
for me. Everybody wants justice and that is a reasonable
desire in our country, right, and what justice looks like.
And I think this is what what you're saying, Chris,
and so is guy gets arrested. Guy, you know, evidence
is collected, goes to trial and if it's a bad shoot,
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he goes to jail. If it's a clean shoot, he doesn't, right,
that's what justice actually looks like. You don't have to
agree with the decision whatever a jury or the the
judge finds. But that's that's justice. That's and and in
the in the meantime, like there's a process of getting
to it. The issue with forcing the hand of the
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state attorney general to to arrest a guy before an
investigation is complete and interviews are conducted, is you run
the risk of hurting the investigation of of a possible mistrial.
Like there's a reason everything takes time. I got it,
you got him on film shooting a guy. It doesn't
appear to be that hard. But I'm also not a lawyer,
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and I don't know about about the proper protocols that
have to be in place. And I know that if
NBA guys think, hey, if we don't play a game,
you have to arrest a guy, and even though that's
not the way it works, it ends and could end
up having the opposite of the intended effect, and you
don't get the justice that people are rightfully demanding. Yeah, look,
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I think that things a lot of things go behind
the scenes, and that that you know, steps or skips
in various situations, And I think that these wealthy corporate
titans in America just like brought up Meek Mill while
a sudden Robert Kraft, I mean he in two weeks.
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Meek Mill was out two weeks. They have been saying
the same things you're saying. It takes months, it takes time,
and that two weeks it was out Robert Kraft when
the trouble he got into down in Florida, it disappeared.
It can happen, and I think that's what the players
are looking for. Chris Brush, Are you checking bout the
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of the Doug Gottli Show on Fox Sports Radio. We
mentioned that last night's playoff game was the biggest of
the career for Paul George. People started making fun of
Playoff P as a nickname and he became Pandemic P.
He ends up having a spectacular night like Paul George
(00:44):
was and the credit Doc Rivers and also credit Kawhi Leonard.
If you watch really that game, they wanted to get
him going. You know, guys are and again this goes
against analytics, um, but I do believe there are so
and guys. I played with a great player and call
it Deston Mason. If he got a dunk early in
the game, he'd make shots he didn't normally make. He'd
(01:07):
do things defensively, but if he was missing shots really
in the game, sometimes he could get what's called his
dauber down daubers a little bobber in the water when
you fish. It's a Southern expression. You have certain guys
that if they hit a free throw, it gets their
jump shot going, they get a layout, they get a dunk,
they gotta take a charge. Everybody's different. You know, we
(01:30):
we told you kind of about the fallacy of of
analytics in that there's this belief that you know, if
you miss shots earlier, you're more likely to make shots.
You know, every shot you have the same percentage chance
of making it. That said, the one of the flaws
and analytics is that it doesn't take in personal confidence,
(01:50):
personal momentum, or anything. Confidence. You try and take out
the human element, but that's not really possible, you know,
just like it's not that's really the flaw with capitalism
or communism is you know, with with communism, the human
element comes into play because you're like, wait, I work
(02:12):
harder than he does. She does more for the company
than he does. Why we're all gonna get paid the
same If if our work ethic isn't the same, well
we bring the company is not the same. Right level
of education is not the same, the human element, the
desire for for more is nullified and not really taking
(02:33):
into account with On paper socialism, communism should work, everybody
working for a common goal, everybody getting taken care of.
That sounds good. The reality is it doesn't work because
the human element. The same thing is true on the
other side with capitalism, it should be survival of the fittest.
You have money, you make money. It should be great.
The problem is that we actually have a soul and
(02:55):
a conscience, and so yeah, capitalism is great, but we
also needs some socialism. We need to take care of
those who are less fortunate, get them go and give
them a better shot. Because things people aren't all starting
at the same starting block. The same as true in analytics,
takes away that human element to it. If you don't
(03:16):
think the human element is real, take a listen to
Paul George and what he said was going on before
last night. It was just a little bit of everything
underestimated mental health. Honestly, I had anxiety, a little bit
of depression just being locked in here, you know, just
I just wasn't there. I checked out and it was
(03:37):
games two, three, four, I wasn't there. I felt like
I wasn't fair. Okay, so um, and I'm gonna play
for you have been at the sound of Charles Barkley,
Who's I think in Charles mind? And to to Charles's defense,
he's right and he's wrong. At the same time, I'm
(03:59):
going at first of all, I said this was going
to happen. Okay, I said it was going to happen.
It doesn't make me some hero, but it's just not
natural for anybody to be in a hotel for two months,
let alone a guy in his late twenties who's got
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a ton of money. Um, you're not going to react
the same. And I understand the perspective, Okay, understand the
perspective of Hey, you know, what do you really You're
in a hotel, but you're in like a luxury hotel.
You've got chefs, you've got everything you can need, massage, therapist.
All you gotta do is play basketball. Then you can
hang out by the poor we can play golf, you
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go fishing, whatever you want all day. You don't even
have to make your own bed, do your own laundry.
Like this is not real world. That that that's altogether accurate.
But sometimes you like the real you like to get
lost in the real world. If you live in Los
Angeles as much as everybody who doesn't live in Los
Angeless man, the traffic and the traffic can be tedious.
On the other hand, you know, if you live like
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fifteen twenty minutes from work, thirty minutes from work, like
that can be good. That a chance to kind of
catch your breath and just get lost and then refocused
and have family. Or you know, sometimes you're not friends
with guys that you play with, and you're just like,
I work play with those guys. I have my own
life at home, or I like to go out, or
I like to go to the you know, these things
you can't do. And I'm I'm not traditionally a denier
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of mental health issues. I would say that there's there
are a lot of NBA players that that don't realize
how good they have it, and they claim to have
mental health issues. And some of it is just we've
made them bubble boys where they've never had real life,
they've never experienced live in check to check, they've never
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they're they're not real human beings because we've taken away
the human experience from them. But in regards to COVID
and quarantine. I viewed quite differ. Only anybody who has
a kid right now is like, man, my kids doing homeschool.
Some kids do great, some kids don't. People need socialization,
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they need each other that some people need in person education.
They need lunch where you sit around and you know,
your barter your chips, ahoy for their oreos, you know.
I mean I used to have brown Schweiger and mustard sandwiches.
Nobody in the right mind would trade for them. But
I had oreos that I could trade and I could
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get a little chelloopa for which I love. So the
mental health aspect of being in a bubble, to me
is real. Here's Charles Barkley basically calling BS on Paul George. Yeah,
you know, I'm not sure what that was about. I
have already talked to a couple of players and they
were complaining about the food and things like that. I'm
(06:54):
not sure when you listen the people who are living
in the pandemic, who have lost their jobs. You know,
we got a hurricane balling down on Houston and two hurricanes. Uh,
you know, so I don't think guys making millions of
dollars to be worried just because they're stuck in a
place where they can go fishing and play golf and
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play basketball to make millions of dollars. That's not a
dark place. Uh. The thing that just happened in Wisconsin.
Uh the thing, the thing is happening with this pandemic,
all these people losing their job. Those people are at
a dark place. We are the luckiest people in the
world to dribble a stupid basketball to make millions of dollars.
We're never in a dark place. I just think we
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need to be careful what we're complain about. I mean,
I'm ready to get hit with those two hurricanes in
the middle of a pandemic. That's awful. Man. My thoughts
to those people. Listen, I understand what Charles is saying.
I really really do. Um. He's not wrong. He's speaking
for the rest of America. You think you've got it tough,
(07:57):
let me put a butt that. It's not how the
brain works. The brain doesn't always have the perspective. It
just doesn't. You can tell people like, dude, you've got
a great life, Like some of the people with the
greatest lives on earth have killed themselves. That's the real thing, Like,
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why would they do that? Because the brain isn't seeing
things with great perspective. It's only seeing when it doesn't
have in the negativity to it. There's a chemical And
I'm not saying that Paul George was to the point
of being suicidal. What I'm saying is when he says, like, man,
I was just out of it. I was just in
a kind of a dark place. It's just it's not
how I've I roll. I I believe it, I buy it.
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It doesn't make me respect him less. It doesn't make
me think he's a spoiled brad. Do I think guys
complaining about the food it sounds bad, sure, but if
if the complaint is the just I'm just struggling. I
keep going back to the same hotel room, Like, look,
I live in you know, you're Paul George and you
come back to l A. I'm sure you bought some
(09:03):
sick pad, you know. I'm sure you'd like to I like,
I like to go home and just enjoy everything and
not be around anybody but have my own stuff. And
I'm just I'm just off. It's okay to admit you're
off and to talk about it and the more we
shut guys down, the more that like this is. That
(09:24):
is kind of Charles playing into the old school. Hey
you're fine, you're rich. Rich people don't have any problems thing,
which is is not true. I understand you're supposed to
have perspective. I respect that, I appreciate that. I actually
in many ways agree with that. But that doesn't take
away from what Paul George is saying. And I do
believe that many kids, many athletes, they're going through this stuff.
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I'll give you two examples. I have a son eleven
years old. He is my my best guy friend in
the world. We do every thing together since the time
he was like in three years old, and play baseball.
Now he plays hoop and football. He's played soccer, he's
done wrestling, he's done, he can surf, nothing he can do.
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But and during the pandemic they have they've had baseball workouts,
but no baseball games. And like he walked in the
other day he was like, I don't last week, I'm
quitting baseball. But but but I'm quitting bit I just
don't want to play. I don't enjoy it. And I
don't know if it's COVID related or not. There have
been times in which he, a kid who's self motivated,
(10:35):
can't get off the couch. We got a hoop out front,
go shoot, I just can't get myself to do it.
We go down and serve. You know, I'm not really
feeling it today. And then I reached out to a buddy,
texted him about my son. He's like, yeah, my son Rowan,
who's like the world's greatest kids, super happy, nine years old.
(10:57):
He made the hockey team, you know it. Doesn't want
to play hockey. He's the best baseball player in town.
Doesn't want to play baseball. Now, look, their situations are
different than Paul George. But this stuff is real. This
is not and I don't love the word normal because
there is no normal. But it is not normal for
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NBA players to live in a bubble. The whole world
is going on, there's protests, there's an election. Year, you're
in the sun. You're some guys are like summer guys.
I know everyone knows a summer guy like man, I
can't wait till summer. Go to the lake. There goes beach.
Then always go to you know, turks and cacos. I
go to this, I go to that whatever, Like your
summer's gone. You're in a hotel. The food's fine, but
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there's never been a resort that serves hundreds of people
that has you know, exquisite dining day after day after day,
and you just gotta get worn down by it. It's
not a normal existence to play basketball in front of
five people like that's not normal. It doesn't make it bad,
and it doesn't mean that the b A shouldn't do it.
It's great for business, and I think awesome for the
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league's future, and I enjoy it greatly, but I do
realize that there's a human cost to it. There's the
human element to it. And so when I hear Paul
George saying, I nodded my head and go like, yeah, man,
I know a lot of um um. I would really
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really really really like to have a further conversation about this.
And it's something that frankly we told you was in
fact coming, that the bubble is going to adversely affect
some in terms of their level of performance. And that's
what happened to Paul George. And I don't know if
he broke out of it for good, but sure felt
(12:45):
like it last night and to deny that and say
that because there's these dueling hurricanes, Like, all right, I'll
good with the Clippers last night, by the way, I
mean Paul georget on eighteen shots, Kawhi Letter thirty two
on nineteen shots, Montrez Harrold nineteen on eleven shots and
eleven boards. They win one fifty four to one eleven
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ouch ouch. And a lot of that is Paul George
breaking out of the malaise of whatever mental health issue
he's gone through in the Bubble, which I very much bide.
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App Doug Alliam Show, Fox Sports Radio. Massive breaking news
in the NBA. Let's get tied of along cross breaking
news from Fox Sports. Adrian war Janowski has just reported
that the Milwaukee Bucks are boycott in Game five of
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the playoffs against the Orlando Magic that had been scheduled
to tip off eleven minutes ago in the Lando Bubble
in protest of Sunday shooting of Jacob Blake in Kenosha, Wisconsin.
Now for the record, the next scheduled game today would
be Game five between the Thunder and Houston that is
scheduled to tip off at six thirty Eastern, just over
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two hours from now in another facility in the bubble.
Then tonight at nine Eastern is scheduled for Game five
between the Trail Blakers Trailblazers and Lakers. Some reaction already
coming in from other NBA players in the bubble, Donovan
Mitchell of the Utah Jazz tweeting quote, we demand change,
salute at Bucks and as Cancer of the Boston Celtics
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tweeting moments ago, simply a raised fist in solidarity Doug
Doug Olives show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, so
um hmm, okay, so let me let me just kind
of catch my breath here and try and figure this out.
(14:58):
Uh okay, So they're they're boycotting the game. They they obviously, Um,
everyone's upset. I don't. I'm trying to figure out what
this accomplishes other than everybody's upset. Isaac, do you have
do you have like do you have a thought on it?
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I mean I I was actually thinking about this earlier today. Um,
you know a few months ago when thee George Floyd
tragedy happened, Um, you know, growing up in some in
California like you at the same time when the riots
were here, the Rodney King riots in ninety two, and
I said to myself, you know, I can't imagine standing here,
(15:41):
you know, twenty years from now, ten years from now,
and having to go through this again with another victim
and another murder and another senseless tragedy. That's what I
thought to myself a couple of months ago, a couple
of months ago, I said, I don't want to be
standing here twenty years from now and having this will
be the reality of what people have to deal with
(16:02):
in this world, and what what do we have? You know?
Three months later, four months later, it happened again. So
everything that happened, I think, I just I gotta, I gotta,
I gotta warn you. We we do this thing, Okay,
we we do this thing, and it's and you're not
alone in doing it. I do feel like that we
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as Americans, it's just human beings. In two thousand twenty,
we do this thing. You see something a viral video,
and it becomes this happens all the time, and but
isn't once too much though, of course it is, of
course it is, but outlier human behavior does not you
(16:43):
know what I mean. It's like, there's lots of awful
things that happened right there, there's a there there was
I think she's a college student walking in Central Park
who was murdered by two teenagers. They're they're facing the
Columbia student. Yes, okay, like it happened. It was a
robbery gone wrong and this poor girl dies, right and
(17:08):
you know, one, there wasn't the outrage to it. But two,
we don't make We're we're we're told like, let's not
make and let's be smart. Let's not make assumptions that
this happens all the time. Murder rates are far lower
than they have ever been in modern society. I can't
go back, you know. But but but before you know,
if we just go my lifetime seventies six till now, like,
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murder rates are are exceptionally low, and I would I
would guess that, and I'm not. I'm guessing, you know,
like the number of was the number of people nine
people were unarmed killed by police last year in America,
nine people, nine nine black people were killed unarmed by police.
So it feels like this happens all the time. Do
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I think that police have harassed young men for a
long time, Yes, young black men. I've heard enough stories
from enough friends. Yeah, But there's a difference in harassment
and this type behavior. Now there is another side to it,
which I think is important. And let me start with
with this, and this is the most important thing I said.
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Unlike anybody else, I'm outraged by what I saw, Like
what like it didn't even seem real that a guy is, like,
you're standing there and you just fire like seven shots
into his back. On the other hand, I don't I
don't know what he's reaching for and I don't know why.
I don't know enough about police procedure. But he broke
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out of being held down, and then I don't think
they let him go around the car, but he did
seem to go kind of scott free around the car.
Like there's a lot of things that are confusing, But
like anybody, I'm outraged by it. Right, the first dance
not what I believe to be acceptable behavior by the officer.
And maybe I'm wrong, Maybe that is that's how they're
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supposed to roll. And I don't know enough about police procedure.
But but this is hold on, but but okay, this
is really really really important. We never ever go, hey,
what do you think it's like to be a cop?
Right now? Right? What do they? I have a friend
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who's a long time friend of mine. He's a former
basketball player and somebody I respect a great deal. Now,
he's black, he's not white, but he's a cop. And
he's like, look where I work, there's protests daily for
the entirety of the ten years I've been a police officer.
This is the first time that they're shooting at us
and throwing bricks at us. And it happens now daily.
(19:38):
Since the George Floyd thing, we haven't our procedures have
gotten better. And if we talked a lot about the
flaws in in the police department and in the unions,
and he's very realistic about things, and he kind of
explained things to me a little bit better. But but
the the point is, we we don't do a very
good job of understanding, like, imagine being a cop right now,
(20:00):
where we've done this thing where we've assumed that Lebron
James is assuming that white cops are hunting black men down,
that that's not true. Okay, Kaepernick's saying their modern day
kind of slaves and slave traders or whatever, and and
and we're operating under this assumption that because we've seen
(20:24):
some videos that the police are constantly harassing black people,
when the like the strongest likelihood and every number of
statistic tells you this happens far less that it's ever happened.
And to your point, Isaac, one is too many, right,
one is too many. And outrage is good because it
(20:45):
can bring change. Um. But but we we we do
this thing. We don't like. Look, we're not the only
ones in the pandemic. Police officers in the pandemic. Like
all those mental healthy issues that we just guys about
Paul George and our kids in homeschool whenever, like, police
officers are going through that. Plus they're under fire. Plus
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you know, like and Kenosha doesn't have they don't have,
um the funding was disputed, so they don't have the
body cameras. They don't have cameras in the cars. So
I don't know if we'll ever get true clarity on
what happened, it'll be he said. He said, but it's
reasonable to believe that even with the best training and
we don't give them. And this is to what Doc
(21:27):
Rivers said, sometimes the training, but we're not always selecting
the best in the brightest. It's not like it's not
like the valedictorian from Kenosha High School. Iss like, you
know what, I'm not gonna go to college. I'm gonna
go become a cop. Why would anybody want to be
a cop? Alright, So you have people who are on
the job and now they're under siege for doing the
(21:49):
right thing. Plus people have more guns than they've ever had.
We're already too many guns in our country. And then
when the pandemic hits and there's riots, people not even
like there's record gun sales. So I want you to like,
we all need to collectively take a breath, and you're
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very much allowed to be outraged, to protest, to say
we need change, we need clarity, we want you want justice, um,
not just for Jacob Blake, but also for anybody who's
a victim of a crime, for anybody but from by
a police officers supposed to keep you safe, supposed to
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keep you safe. But we also have to take a
breath and understand that as much pressure as you think
you're under because you don't know if you're gonna have
your job tomorrow, you don't know when the pandemic will end.
You don't know a lot of things. Who's gonna be
the president, you don't know, you know, um, you know
if your kids are gonna go to school? Are they
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gonna stay at home all year? We don't know all
these things. Have that and then imagine all the other
pressures of being a police officer, and you may not
be acting in a normal fashion. We started this show
talking about how Paul George. I believe what Paul George
said is a real thing, that he was not himself,
and that the bubble and quarantine and COVID and all
the images on TV and he's out of it. I
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believe that. Imagine that same state and now your police officer,
you have to go to work. So I'm not making
excuses for the behavior we saw on the video and Kenosha, Wisconsin, none,
it's not acceptable. Justice to me is the d A
collects all the information and if they if you, you
(23:38):
in charge whomever with the crime, and then you taken
to court and then they have their day in court.
And that's what justice looks like in our country, it's
your day in court. That's what looks like it's it's
not you know, throwing bricks and dudes firing bullets of
dudes burning things down. You can absolutely protest and sitting
out this game. I guess Mike question was sitting out
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the game is does that strengthen their voice or weaken
their voice? And I don't know the answer to it.
I do think this will be a massive, massive story
and in the short term, in the one day, the
short news cycle, all of those Milwaukee Bucks should be
out in front and they should have a game plan
(24:21):
for how to stay on message for why they're doing
it and what it means and why they were willing
to take a loss, because that's what protesting and not
playing the game the I don't believe in Isaac will
give us an update in a second. I don't believe
the Magic chose to protest. That means the Magic will
be awarded a protest win. Right, so lose the game
(24:42):
intentionally in the NBA playoffs. Here's why we did it,
and here's what we want to see from it. And
as long as it's reasonable. You know, one one of
the things that the Brianna Taylor thing if you've read
the story, is they haven't charged the police officers with
a crime because they don't believe that it could go
(25:04):
to trial or that anyone could be convicted of it
because of the chaotic nature of a no knock search warrant. Right,
there's a lot to it. But I do wonder, and
I'm wondering, allows Doug otlip Show, Fox Sports Radio, if
you're just joining us. The Milwaukee Bucks have chosen to
protest what happened in Kenosha, Wisconsin, and by doing that,
(25:27):
they are essentially, I believe, forfeiting today's game playoff game
against the Orlando Magic Game five. So nobody's on the
court right now, the game is supposed to be going on. UM.
I don't know if it accomplishes what they want to
accomplish or what they intend to have accomplished by it.
(25:48):
But my advice to the Bucks, to the players, to
the organization would be to find a message, get on
message everybody collectively, because if it be spitfire of things
you want to do and change and I won't and
and don't say I won't play again until this happens.
For example, I wouldn't say today, hey, I'm not playing
(26:11):
another game until those police officers are charged with a crime. Like, Hey,
I gotta tell you, that's not the way it works.
There's a process, a do process that is allowed, and
a process of investigating all of the facts, even if
they're gonna be charged or charged with murder. Like, it
doesn't necessarily work the way you think it works. I
don't know enough about the laws of Kenosha of Wisconsin
(26:33):
about the normal timeline. I do know that the protest
is going to be heard, and what is said and
the nature of what is requested or demanded is as
important as anything else, especially if everybody stays on message music.
What do you think? But I'm interested in your thoughts. Yeah,
I think this is one of those situations where we've
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seen ever since the George Floyd's situation, NBA player is
trying to do whatever they can in whatever way possible.
Whether it was certain players like most notably Kyrie Irving
voicing concern over whether or not going back to the
bubble would take away from the movement that we're happening
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a couple of months ago. So I just see this
as the latest situation where the Bucks because as you
and Isaac could talk about the reports are the Bucks
were the team that sort of said, hey, let's boycott
the Magic were more wishy washy in terms of whether
or not they were going to do it. Um, so
it looks like the Bucks being the team closest to
(27:40):
where this latest incident had happened. Um, you know, how
good of a team they are having a player like
Janice on their roster. It seems as though they may
not know how to create a solution, but they're just
trying to do whatever it is that they can right
now to try and I guess create more awareness or
(28:05):
use some leverage on the situation. Um. And I think
Isaac's got something here. Yeah, Lebron James has just tweeted,
quote bleep this man, we demand it change, sick of it?
Unquote that just tweeted by Lebron James. Okay, but like again,
like what what do you what's a reasonable change? You know? Like,
(28:29):
what what is what is reasonable change? What? What in
this short period time? Like change does not happen overnight?
It just doesn't, doesn't. It's not like, you know, Tom
Brennaman you know, has a homophobic slur and gets pulled
off the air like that. That what what change do
(28:52):
you want right now? You you want cops to not
have uh firearms, like I don't they have that in
in England. But also people aren't allowed to have guns.
Like I don't know, I just I get the statements.
But like, look, first of all, like Lebron, I just
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I can't let you off the hook with the we're
being hunted thing, which other people in the Lakers are echoing,
and they're echoing because Lebron says, like it's not it's
totally unfair, it's not true. And you know you you
put everyone in some defensive position. Is there change needed? Yeah? Yeah,
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By the way, that the change is not just needed
with the police officers, all of us need to change. Okay,
you you don't have to want to hear this or not, okay,
but the truth is that the more people have guns,
the more times the wrong people are going to get shot.
(29:58):
And I don't know if this this gentleman had a
felony conviction against him and arrest warrant doesn't mean that
he should have been fired upon seven times in the back.
But I'm not even talking about the good guys, the
bad in the in the middle. I'm just telling you
that the more people have guns, the more it causes
like people to freak out. It just does because you
(30:22):
see someone with a gun and you're like, well, they're
gonna use it on me, so I better use it
first before they use it on me. So I I
just I don't know what is truly, you know, like
even Lebron's tweet, what does that accomplish? Give if if
(30:44):
you want to lead, you gotta lead. That's part that's
this is part of the issue with Kaepernick. You want
to lead, get a lead. By the way, like I
would tell you that one of the interesting parts of
the can No Shift video is it doesn't appear before
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he before the officer fired on him, that there was
an use of excessive force. If anything, it was the
other side of it was the other way right where
they were trying to hold him down and then he
gets up and there it feels like you're trying to
be non lethal I and I guess they had tasted
him once before. I don't understand why you don't just
taste the dude and put him in cuffs and have
(31:26):
him sit in the curb and try and again. There's
so much I don't know I'm not gonna be the
guy who says, well, this was wrong. Is all I
can tell you is I saw a guy with back
to him and he's getting in a car, maybe he's
reaching for a firearm. He gets shot seven times. That
that doesn't doesn't sit right with anybody, doesn't sit right
with anybody. But I also I just don't. I don't
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know what change in the immediate future is reasonable to ask.
By the way, this from Bobby marks failure to appear
language in the operations manual forfeiture of a game up
to a five million dollar fine. That doesn't mean they'll
be applied. In the case Milwaukee boycotting Game five. Like
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everything this year, they're dealing with situations as they happen
because they have never happened before. I think you gotta
find them. You gotta find them, and then the players
should go into their pockets and pay it, or the
organizations to pay and say, hey, this is worth five
million dollars for us and donate that money to to
(32:30):
to this fund, because otherwise, what is you gotta You
can't just say we demand change. I'm with you. I
don't want what happened on that video to ever happen again.
But what's a reasonable process and reasonable timeline for that change.
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
(32:52):
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Easter noon Pacific. Chris
Broussar joins us on The Doug Gotlips Show on Fox
Sports Radio. UM, what I mean, like, Look, obviously these
are big statements to refuse to go out and play.
I think it's a mistake because part of what the
Bucks were willing to do is they're willing to lose
(33:13):
the game for this, for their unhappiness to be noted,
to be known for for a demanding of a change.
Does it take away from it at all that the
NBA is like, don't worry about it, We're just gonna
postpone the games. No, not all. And and and the
report I saw from Stephanie Readio NBA TV she said
(33:35):
that the Bucks now they were conflicting reports. I know
one report had I saw something that I may have
been false, but that the Magic were refusing to accept
the forfeit. Um so, and then that they've made it jointly,
like the Bucks and the Magic made the decision jointly.
(33:58):
So I don't think, Um, you know, the the Bucks
would have to lose the game. I think this is uh.
I think this is a huge statement, Doug, obviously, and
I gotta be honest, Obviously, I'm African American. I've never
been more proud of black athletes in my life, never
been more proud. This shows that they are willing to
(34:20):
sacrifice their own individual money basketball goals for the betterment
of African American people. And I couldn't. I couldn't scoop
them anymore. Um, for what they've done. I think it's tremendous.
What what change is reasonable to demand? That could be
(34:43):
seen as a as a reason to go Okay, changes coming,
Let's get back out on the floor and play basketball.
The players, probably in Milwaukee probably want the arrest of
the officer who shot Jacob Blake. I would imagine that
that's their most immediate goal. Um. Obviously, it takes a
(35:06):
little bit of time for things like police reform and
and long term goals. I personally think there should be
systemic change in education, UH and economic areas, as well
as the judicial system or the criminal justice system. But
obviously that that's a longer time. I do think the
(35:27):
players have immediate blows in mind. And like I said,
it's probably the arrest of the cop that shot Jacob
Blake and the firing of him as well. He's gonna
leave right now. So firing and arrest, well, you can't
have the problem with asking somebody to be fired. Is
it's just like the NBA with a guaranteed contracting unions.
There there is there's protection there. Obviously. I think the arrest,
(35:51):
it's all going to depend upon the pace of the investigation.
I don't think that's an unreasonable thing because with an
arrest then he can post bail or bond or whatever.
He's not being held in general population, and you know,
then he'll have his his day in court. You know,
if it ever comes to trial, I would assume it
would the investigation continues. I don't think that's unreasonable. But
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the firing of a police officer is hard to do
because of the unions. And that's where like even yesterday
when the powerful you know this like like look at
look at uh we we know a few inces the
football players at the University of Missouri was the I
believe when they threatened the boycott a game and wanted
(36:33):
to president fired or he ended up resigning obviously under
pressure that the regular student. He had been calling for
his resignation or firing weeks and months. The players, the
football players and we're not playing this weekend, and he
was sitting on within seventy two hours. Also, look at
meek Mill. Meek Mill, powerful black athletes and entertainment have
(36:57):
been trying to get him out of prison for months,
five months, I believe, robbing the craft, the owner for
the past to get involved, and within two weeks meek
Mill is out. The thing is these you know, owners
are obviously very powerful men, and they have connected you
know how America works, and they have connections to powerful
(37:17):
people and they can get things done quickly. And I
think that's what the players are County or you kind
of heard friend Vanvlee No, listen, I I understand, I
understand that. I would I would tell you that again.
Like here's the here's where I think players are a
little bit stuck, right, I think if we got down
(37:37):
to it, um, you know, there's there's a bunch of
different issues. One of the big issues is that unions
protect all of their members. And this happens with every union.
That's what that's what they do, right, and I think
even if you ask police officers like look, and I
don't know about this particular cop and the number of
complaints whatever, but one of the issues that police officers
(37:58):
have is that there are there are cops that they
all want to have gone because they bring that they
bring down the image of the entire police department. But
the unions protect them. And by the way, the unions
are supported by the same party that most of the
players seem to support. Right, So there's a little there's
(38:21):
a little bit of yeah, I mean, look, I players
shouldn't we as African Americans, which most of the players are,
I don't think we should be locked into one of
the two parties. So I hear you on that. I
hear you and that. But and that's a good starting point. Though,
I do believe like these players are making demands of
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you know, the n B not the NBA, but demands
of the owners or the lawmakers. By boycotty, I agreed,
I think they African Americans should demand something of their vote.
Why are we if we're gonna vote for you, then
what are we getting out of it? So I'm I'm
with you, and you're and you're thinking they're and hopefully
(39:03):
the players recognize that because if they're gonna support that party,
then they should get something out of it, and it
could be very much related to what they want they
want with this boycott. Uh Doug otlives show here on
Fox Sports Radio. So what about the teams tomorrow? Right? Like,
(39:25):
these teams all had their game, their boycotting all postponed,
Like if the guys arrested. I was not surprised at
all with what look once the Buck and Magic did it.
You knew the other two games, another four teams from
(39:45):
you know what I mean? Like they had no choice.
Lebron we all know how much he wants this championship
and how all in he has always been on it.
You know, he wasn't thinking about boycotting during the shutdown,
but he had no choice. He had no true can
you imagine what he would look like? All the social
work he's done, it would all be for not if
(40:08):
he had decided, no, we're gonna play. And I think
Doug the same thing. So be the case tomorrow. I mean,
you know, like you you make a good point. What
are they ask? There has to be an assid there
has to be an ass and so well when we
find out what exactly that ass is, then will know
more about the games going forward. But I would imagine
(40:33):
right now, Doug, they're not gonna play tomorrow. But here's
the thing. As we're talking about the powerful men that
run the NBA, you don't think and Adam silver Mark
last read some of these other powerful owners could make
some things happen quickly. Well, like I said, the one
(40:56):
arrested the officer, And no, I don't, I know, I know,
I actually I actually don't. I actually don't I think arresting.
I look, I think there's a I think there's a
I think what can happen is you can end up
having the opposite of the intended effect. Okay, this is
really important for people to realize, Like, look, if you
(41:18):
really this, this is a this is a big thing
for me. Everybody wants justice and that is a reasonable
desire in our country, right, and what justice looks like.
And I think this is what what you're saying, Chris,
and so is guy gets arrested. Guy, you know, evidence
is collected, goes to trial and if it's a bad shoot,
(41:38):
he goes to jail. If it's a clean shoot, he doesn't, right,
that's what justice actually looks like. You don't have to
agree with the decision whatever a jury or the the
judge finds. But that's that's justice. That's and and in
the in the meantime, like there's a process of getting
to it. The issue with forcing the hand of the
(42:00):
state attorney general to to arrest a guy before an
investigation is complete and interviews are conducted, is you run
the risk of hurting the investigation of of a possible mistrial.
Like there's a reason everything takes time. I got it,
you got him on film shooting a guy. It doesn't
appear to be that hard. But I'm also not a lawyer,
(42:22):
and I don't know about about the proper protocols that
have to be in place. And I know that if
NBA guys think, hey, if we don't play a game,
you have to arrest a guy, and even though that's
not the way it works, it ends and could end
up having the opposite of the intended effect, and you
don't get the justice that people are rightfully demanding. Yeah, look,
(42:43):
I think that things a lot of things go behind
the scenes, and that that you know, steps or skips
in various situations, And I think that these wealthy corporate
titans in America just like brought up Meek Mill while
a sudden Robert Kraft, I mean he in two weeks.
(43:05):
Meek Mill was out two weeks. They have been saying
the same things you're saying. It takes months, it takes time,
and that two weeks it was out Robert Kraft when
the trouble he got into down in Florida, it disappeared.
It can happen, and I think that's what the players
are looking for. Chris Brush, Are you checking bout the
(43:27):
odd couple? That is seven o'clock Eastern, four o'clock Pacific, Chris,
great stuff, Thanks for joining us, all right,
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