September 15, 2020 • 32 mins
Doug discusses the Giants losing their season opener to the Steelers and why it’s time to admit the major mistake New York made a few years ago. NFL QB Chris Simms joins the show to tell Doug what he saw from Ben Roethlisberger in his first game since major elbow surgery. Plus, Doug reacts to the latest rumors about Odell Beckham Jr’s future with the Browns why he’s never been a winning player.
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Us, that would be Sae Kwon Barkley, Like whoa, whoa,
wait a second, yeah, the two thousand and eight teen draft,
se Kwon Barkley went number two overall and he is
a tremendous football player and in comparison even to the
players selected before him, Baker Mayfield, He's kept his name
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out of the headlines he's produced, he hasn't powdered, He's
simply done his job. Last night, sa Kwan Barkley rush
for six yards on fifteen carries from a Pro Football
Focus se Kwan Barkley average and negative point seven yards
before contact per tempt per tempt last night. In other words,
sake on an average was hit one yard behind the
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line of scrimmage every time they handed the football off. Now,
if we look back, the New York Giants could have
taken Sam Donald, who I think, despite the fact that
he didn't play well in Week one, has been up
and down during his three year career. I still I'm
not hopping off the Sam Donald bandwagon. I just don't
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think he's been tell me who he's gonna throw too.
They finally got him a left tackle, but he has
no nobody to throw too. And it's been a disaster.
Levian Bell tweaks a hamstring, doesn't get along with the coach.
They got all kinds of issues. It could have been
Sam Donald. It could have been Josh Allen. It could
have been Josh Rosen, who's currently in the in the
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witness protection program known as the practice team, on the
practice squad for the Tampay Buccaneers. It could have been
Lamar Jackson. The point is that Sequon Barkley, who's a
damn good running back and a damn good dude, and
and it offers up no true flaws as a person.
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By my estimation, this is not se Quan sucks. And
that's why he had fifteen yards six yards on fifteen carries.
That that ain't it. Okay, both of these things can
be true. Se Kwan Barkley can be a hell of
a running back, and they made a mistake, the best
mistake never They made a mistake by drafting him. Because
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help me out. If you think of this, I could
have taken a quarterback, started the rebuild process early. You
could always get a running back later on in the draft.
Don't believe me. Nick Chubb went in the second round
of that draft. Carry on Johnson, I know he's had
some injuries. With the Detroit Lions available later on in
that draft, Darius Gys obviously he had injuries and he
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has off the field issues. Like you keep looking back
and running backs were available later Now he Hinz who
had two touchdowns for the Colts and is a change
of pace back. He went in the fourth round. Running
Backs are always available. But the bigger issue is this,
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I can already predict what's gonna happen in the future.
And this doesn't mean that Danny Dimes isn't a good quarterback.
But because they in their process of rebuilding, the New
York Giants chose to go running back at number two
overall instead of quarterback. They started the clock on se
Kwon Barkley, meaning they're gonna have to pay him early
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and overpay to keep him. They're not gonna let him
walk out the door, because what was the point of
drafting him second overall? You're gonna have to overpay a
running back in his second contract, which is a classic
mistake teams have made time and again. Meanwhile, you're still stuck.
You're still stuck in mediocrity. They're not close to being good.
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There and we'll do this list a little bit later
on in the conversation of the five worst teams in
the National Football League. And if you look back to
that fateful year two thou eighteen, do you know what
every why why people said they should draft a quarterback?
Do you bro why anyone? Bueller Buller? You know what
I heard? Well, you know, the Giants never draft in
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the top five. They just don't. So you know, you
gotta make the right pick to well run organization. They
never never doesn't happen. They don't draft in the top five.
And you know what, people are right, People are really
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really right. Do you know why? Well, that's because the
next year Daniel Jones went sixth, not top five. And
they may finish six, they may finish seventh. The point
is that they're just is not the amount of talent there,
all right? And I don't know whether or not they
could have done business with the New York Jets who
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traded up to three, but they at least should have
engaged with teams that wanted to trade up. You could
have traded down, you could have drafted Donald, you could
have done a lot of things. Instead, you d afted
a hell of a running back way too high and
what is the return on investment? Congratulations, you have a
running back. That's like what what I've often said about
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dudes who drive a hoop tie and put on sweet rims. Great,
you got nice rims. Here's the only problem. You still
drive a hoop tie. Your car still breaks down every
third week. Your car still has smoked in it. You
still have one of those um where you gotta take
the face plate off for your radio. Right, you still
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got a six disc in dash changer. Like bro, you
still got a hoop tie. You just have nice rims.
You still have a hoop tie. If you're the Giants,
you just got a nice running back. Dave Gentleman got
caught in in a foregone era. You know, he looked
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at his big board and said, I know better. We
can run the football. We can hide our aging quarterback.
Sure we might be slightly overdrafting him, but he's the
best damn running back in the league. You can play
on three three downs. He never gets hurt. He's tough,
he's durable, he's yadda YadA YadA. But you know what
they're not. They're not a better football team. And now
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he gets hit on average one yard behind the line
of scrimmage. That's what happened yesterday Lasterday. And it's not
because he's not good. No one's sitting here telling you
the sakewon Barkley sucks that. That is not what this
is about. I'm not even saying Daniel Jones sucks. I
think he's got a chance. I mean, look, one of
the reasons he's able to be a competent as a
quarterback is because they're trying to hit sake on Barkley
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one yard behind the land of scrimmage. They can load
up in the box and dare him to beat him,
and limited instances he can, sometimes he cannot. But the
bigger point is this, and this is really really important,
just because he's a great guy, just because he's good
at what he does, just because his position is one
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that scores touchdowns and you need to win big in
process of rebuilding an offense. It's like eight or ninth
in terms of importance, maybe even that. How about this
stat The Giants have the worst record in the NFL
over the last three seasons, and that continue with another
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loss last night. They've won twelve games in three years
and it doesn't look to be getting any better. And
oh yeah, by the way, during those three years, let's
also remember that the Eagles were ravaged by injuries last year,
the Redskins have been completely dysfunctional, and even the Dallas
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Cowboys have had a couple of good years. Last year
we're a five hundred team. And uh, two years before
they tanked when Ezeki Elliott got suspended. It's not like
they've been going against um, you know, some beaton death
march of great team after great team after great team.
The NFC East, frankly has been down. Yes, yes, the
Eagles won the Super Bowl, but the last couple years
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have not been good. Yes, the Cowboys won thirteen games,
but they haven't put back to back ten win seasons together.
And this and the Washington football team went through coaching
Chamber regime change that they've gone through quarterback after quarterback
after quarterback because of injuries. When you factor all that in,
it's embarrassing how the Giants selected the right guy but
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way too high in the draft. It's the best mistake
they've ever met. Be sure to catch the live edition
of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Easter
noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart
Radio Whap Doug Gotlip Show on Fox Sports Radio. Thank you, Isaac.
Let's turn to Chris Sims. Of course, uh works for
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NBC Sports and he joins us on the Doug Gotlip
Show on Fox Sports Radio. Um, let's let's let's start
with Ben Roethlisberger coming off of the type of surgery
we've never seen a Hall of Fame quarterback or any
quarterback that I know go through basically like baseball players
Tommy John type surgery. How did you think you look, Chris?
I thought he looked for really good. You know. Early on,
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you know, you saw it was a little off target.
I think he was getting used to the chaos and
the mosh pit of the pocket again around his feet
and all of that, which even for a guy like
big Ben Roethlisberger who's going to the Hall of Fame,
it takes some time for him to get used to that.
But once he settled into the game. Uh, and then
you really, once you saw that two minute drive there
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at the end of the first half, he went okay,
here co the Steelers. He's got feel for the speed
of the game again and everything like that, and then
just from the pure throwing standpoint, Doug, his arm is
top notch. I know people in Pittsburgh they've been telling
me it's it looks as good as ever before. And
I think you can believe that. You saw the way
he threw the deep ball last night. He is an
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incredible deep all thrower, one of the best in the
history of football. But overall, I thought it was a
pretty damn good start by him and the Pittsburgh steel
How far away are the Giants? Um, yeah, I mean,
you know, two years away at least, you know, somewhere
in that range. I think next year they probably get
to the playoff competition, like we're fighting for a six
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or a seven feet seed. Whether they get in the
next year like that, and then the year after that.
But yes, you see it. Right now, they're well, they're
totally outclassed by a better Pittsburgh team. I mean, Pittsburgh
kind of stumbled all over themselves at first, fumbled the
punt return on the one yard line, still held it
to a field gold. But there's things to be excited
with the New York Giants. You know, I think you're
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sitting there watching them. I know you, and you know
sports Daniel Jones has got talent. There's something to like
about that. We know what Sa Kuan is. Darius Slayton
is intriguing on that side. So they have some key parts.
They don't have enough difference makers on the defensive side
of the ball. And then they have an offensive line
with it's a work in progress, and those are the
two things that I think will hinder them throughout the year. Yeah,
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I can make the case. Look, I love s Kuon Barkley.
I have nothing negative to say about Sa Kuon Barkley,
but when you go number two overall, and look, they
could have started the quarterback thing earlier and gotten Donald
or they could have traded that pick. I mean like,
look the that pick, the Donald pick was a trade
where they could have gotten a pirates ransom ransom form
which could have rebuilt that offensive line or the defensive
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side of the football um earlier. Right now, they're they're not.
They got these luxury items. They great, they got great
luxury enems, but they don't have offensive and defensive lines
and defensive difference makers. So it doesn't matter. Is it
then a mistake to have drafted Sa Kwan that high? Well,
I do think like your your points very real, and yes,
Sa Kuan is he's not Derrick Henry, right, you know,
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Derrick Henry is the type of runner where you go,
oh man, there's no hole, Derrick Henry, He'll just put
his head down, his shoulders down, He'll drive the pile
for three yards even when there's no hole. That is
not Barkley game the game. It never has been. He's
a space runner. So if I was gonna say, yeah,
the one issue I would have with the Giant says
they haven't necessarily formulated a system and an offense around
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him that fits his skill set. Yeah, you know, quite honestly,
take Kwon Barkley would be best with a Sean McVeigh
or with the with Sean Payton, those type of guys,
right that know how to throw to the ball in
the back, out of the backfield, that type of thing.
But Pat Shermer is a little different that way. Jason Garrett,
I do think has that part in his offense. And
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we saw some of the screens last night, and I
think he'll continue to implement him and they'll just they
gotta find more ways to create space for him. He
is not gonna be a put your head down between
the tackles, sledgehammer. That's gonna have thirty carries for a
hundred yards in a given game. No, he's not. You
want to get him carries maybe eighteen with a number
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of catches to go along with it, and you hope
that Yeah, okay, he might run for two, run for three,
but we give him enough touches. He's gonna rip off
a sixty yard He's gonna rip off a forty yarder.
He's he's Barry Sanders that way, and um yeah, they
have a long work one way to go to help
stay kuon Barkley because he had no chance last night.
I don't care if we put the incredible Hope back there.
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He wasn't going to rush for more than ten yards
against that Steelers defense with that blocking. Chris Sim's joining
us in the Doug Otlip Show on Fox Sports Radio. UM,
I guess the same question regards to Tennessee. They feel
like the exact same thing they were last year, only
now slightly overpaid because they chose to re up Ryan
Tannehill's fine and they chose to re up Derrick Henry.
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And I don't the Derrick Henry thing, just the smash
mouth deal. It doesn't feel sustainable from what they did
last year. I mean just I mean, he's just a
battering ram. And then the Ryan tanney Hill like he
wasn't like he was a big hot name on the market.
Just feels like they decided, let's run it back, only
pay everybody more to do the same thing. I think
so well, I think they found the right pieces to
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sit there and go, I think we can win this way.
And I got no problem with that. I mean, Ryan
Tannehill was phenomenal last year, and I would sit here
and I would argue pretty hard to tell you if
they had switched to Ryan Tannehill earlier in the year,
they probably wouldn't have been nine and seven, They probably
would have been tenn and six, eleven and five. Who
knows where that might be. But I think with Tannehill,
Tannehill is finally an offense to understand how to use
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him and really, you know, uh, express the good parts
of his football game. And yeah, they're a little bit
of a one trick pony. I mean, I think that's
the thing that worries me about the Tennessee Titans is
if you lose Derrick Henry, are you really gonna be
able to play that style of football. So they're putting
a lot on their style and there how they want
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to win games on one guy. But I think for
what they got and if they stay healthy, they look
the part. That's the one thing when they took the
field last night, Man, they got a good looking on
the line, a good looking defensive line. You could see
Corey Davis and a J. Brown uh with with jon
U Smith, they have a chance to be something pretty
good at receiver. And again, you know, you watched Tannehill
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last night. He's on the money more times than not
with throwing the football. I think he's a lot more
talented than we ever gave him credit for in Miami.
You know again, I challenge people out there to go
tell me who the hell was playing with Jarvis? I mean,
other than Jarvis Landry who was playing with Ryan and
Hale's Tannehill down there in Miami. To make you think
that that offense or he was supposed to be successful
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or that team was supposed to go to the playoffs.
I think it's always been a little bit better than
everybody's realized. I think he's in a good spot. The
team likes him, it's a good system fit and watch
out for the kind of sea guidens. Chris Sim's joining
us in the Doug Otlip Show on Fox Sports Radio.
What's explained to me why the Dallas Cowboys offense lacks
explosive place? That is a good question, and I haven't
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watched that film yet. That's I'm gonna hit that tomorrow, okay,
But there's no really no excuse. I mean, I think
their offense became a little staggered a little bit altogether
there in the second half at some point. You know,
the big thing to me is I just, uh, what
is what is the Dallas Cowboy offense? I don't know
what it is yet. You know, with good offense, you
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can say, hey, they do this really awesome or at
an elite level. And when when you do something at
an elite level, it forces the defensive hand to overplay
to stop that elite part of your offense, which opens
up everything else. To me, right now, there's no mantra,
there's no identity. I think they're still trying to figure
that out, but they need to figure it out, because, yeah,
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a lot of playmakers on paper that aren't touching the football.
If I'm the Dallas Cowboys with those weapons in that
offensive line, you gotta get them. Well what's the point
of having Cedee Lamb and Amari Cooper and Michael galpa
Ezekiel and if you can't get them all touches and
get them the ball. I think they're gotta stop. Just
line it up in formations and going, oh, we're the
Dallas Cowboys and we're just gonna overpower you because we're
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more talented than you. Okay, yeah, do that and you'll
go eight and eight, just like you always do. They
need to find something that gives their team and their
players a schematical advantage. The Chiefs have phenomenal football players
right well there, made even better because their coaches creative
and aggressive and we know what they want to do
on that side of the ball. As far as Andy
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Reid his trickery, the motions of speed sweeps, all that,
Dallas Cowboys, your talent really is you. You could argue
it's it's up there with Kansas City on the offensive
side of the ball. Can I get some motions some
speed sweeps? Tossed the ball to Ormari Cooper, you know,
give the ball to Ceedee Lamb. I just think there's
gonna be more movement, more creativity, more motions from that offense,
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especially with all that talent, or they're doing it an injustice.
Chris Sim's joining us in the Doug Otlips Show on
Fox Sports Radio. I said yesterday that, um, I didn't
see the drop off that others saw in Aaron Rodgers,
and I realized that the Minnesota Vikings are a far
cry from the Minnesota Vikings defensive of last year. But man,
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it was undeniable. How good he looked. What is it
the wide receivers have improved? Is it he gets the
system better? Is it he's health you're in, he's sharper,
and he's motivated by the Jordan Love pick what you
read on why the green Bay Packers were so explosive offensively.
I think it's all of what you said. I don't
think there's any doubt that some of what you know
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you said in each area there has played into this.
I think the first thing that I know with Green
Bay they were not happy with the amount of explosive
plays they created last year, and that's twenty plus yard plays. Right.
Other than turnovers, explosive plays are the number one stat
after turn turnovers that dictates who wins and loses football games.
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And you know with the guy like Aaron Rodgers, Yeah,
I think there's more of a uh more you know,
just uh would I want to stubbornness or more of
a want to to throw the ball down the field
by Matt Lafleur by Rogers. I think a guy like
Balda Scandling, who apparently has had a very good camp
if you read anything that's gone up there, he's gained
the trust of Rogers and you can see he can go,
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he can stretch out of defense. Um So I think
it's a little bit of all that let alone him.
The one thing that jumped out to me about Aaron Rodgers,
we know he's got a chip on his shoulders and
he wants to shove it where the sun doesn't shine
to some of those Green Bay people for Draft and
Jordan Love. Here's what jumped out to me though, Doug
and I I, you know, I challenge anyone there to
go back and look. He looked like he was more
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muscular and thicker this year. Last year he got into
this Tom Brady, I'm gonna get yoga and I'm gonna
get thin and be flexible. Well, he couldn't fill out
his pants. If you go watch the watch him in
a uniform and look at last year. I mean literally
there was wrinkles on his butt. But he's not Tom Brady.
I mean, I love Aaron Rodgers. I wish I would
have said, like, hey man, you're not Tom Brady. Tom
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Brady can be long and loose and do yoga. Do
you need to run around and make stuff happen and
throw forty yard lasers? Do you need your explosiveness? I
thought that jumped out to me as soon as I
saw it, and I thought he looked faster, and I
did think his arm is even though it's one of
the greatest ever, still had more pop in it than
what we saw last year too. Um is Baker Mayfield fixable?
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He is, But I'm concerned. I can't lie. You know
the one thing that I come away with right now
more than anything. First off, Hey, Kevin Stefanski's that offense.
I've always questioned that, you know just what what what
was like lighting us all on fire that we went,
oh Man, Minnesota. That's an amazing offense. I need to
see more of that around football. So, you know, one
I'd like to see more creativity that way. And yes,
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Baker Mayfield, it's just too all over the place right now,
and I don't know what to say, you know the things.
The thing that concerns me, Doug going forward here with
him is what is the part of his game that's elite?
You know, out of that draft class. I know what
Lamar Jackson's elete at. I know what Josh Allen's a
lead at. Even Sam Donald, I know he's a really
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elite intermediate thrower and he can move around the pocket
and make any throw from like five to twenty yards
and he puts it on the bull's eye every time.
Baker Mayfield, Yeah, I see splashes of good here and
there and go wow, But I don't never see anything
consistently elite about his game. And I think that's what's
concerning me more and more. Let alone, you know, sloppy
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mechanics and a stupid interception on the first drive of
the football game. So, yeah, this is a big year
for him, and I'm certainly gonna have my eye on
his play and what he does there in that Cleveland offense.
I know that behind the scenes, Bill Belichick called out
Tom Brady, but that was behind the scenes. How do
you think, uh, how do you think Tom Brady handles
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what Bruce Arians said about him yesterday? He'll he'll you know,
he'll take it on the chin. I think a little
bit here and try to be the good quarterback and
good teammate and all that. But I do think that
if Bruce Arians continues to be that aggressive and calling
out Tom Brady, that at some point Tom Brady is
gonna have to maybe say something to him or talk
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about it a little bit. Uh. You know, again, tom Brady,
he's used to people, like you said, being honest with him,
evaluating him, not telling him how he's Grady is New
England doesn't do that to anybody. But Belichick ever called
him out that way, And of course, hey, they're a
work in progress. Let's let's be realistic. He's forty three
and he's no longer one of the ten best quarterbacks
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in football. Everybody has to get that through their brain.
I know he might be the greatest quarterback of all time,
but he is not capable of carrying a team anymore.
He still has a good arm, but I think even
with arians comments about I think he'll short show more
grit and determination. I thought that was a little under
the radar shot because when I watched the film, I'll
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say the same thing I said to you last year.
There's a few throws in the game where I go,
people are open downfield, but he's already thrown the ball
and gotten rid of it because he doesn't want to
hang in the pocket. And that will continue to be
the thing to watch with Brady and if Bruce arians
gets frustrated with that, and also, let's be realistic, we've
all done a disrespect to the football. Got to just
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think that a bunch of names on paper are gonna
come out and click in Week one against the team
like New Orleans Saints who have been together for four
or five years. So there they are working for progress.
I do think Brady will get better, but I do
think the expectations there are very very high for what
people are expecting out of him in that offense. Chris
great stuff man looked forward to catching up in person.
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Can't tell you how much I appreciate you coming on
and sharing your vast football knowledge. Say how to Pops
and thanks for joining us. Yeah you're the man, Doug.
I'll talk to you next week. Be sure to Catch
the live edition of The Doug gott Leap Show weekdays
at three pm Easter Noon Pacific. Odell Beckham Jr. Is
not the problem, but you know what else, He's not
the solution, right, And so you're like, wait a second,
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hold on, no, you you you don't have to be
part of the problem to also not be the solution.
The Browns are missing, there's something not right. They're saying,
there's just something not right. And we kind of convince
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ourselves that look on paper, Chris Sims said this, uh stour,
Remember he said that about Tampay, Like, look names on
a paper, you put them on football field. They don't
just play together. They need time to gel and mold together.
So this is a guess, but more of an educated guess.
It ain't that he's a problem. It's not that he
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comes in stomping his feet. It's not that he doesn't
work hard. It's not that there's anything bad, truly bad
about Odell Beckham Jr. But is he helping you win?
Is he demanding that others perform at the right level?
Is he bringing his own efforts so that guys copy
his work ethic? Like just because you catch one handed
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balls doesn't mean you're willing to. I'll give you an example.
I'll give you the perfect example. Julius Randall. Okay, so
here's what happens with Julius Randall. Julius Randall last year
um was with the l A Lakers. Was that last
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year is the two years and two years ago was
with the l A Lakers, Right and midway through the
year and was his contract year. Contract year, they went
to him and said, hey, dude, you're not rolling to
the basket. What do you mean what when certain players
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are designed for you to roll? And the reason we
want you to roll is not necessarily get the ball,
but it's the free everybody else up because they have
to help on you. But what you're doing is you're
hunting jump shots because you're trying to prove that you
can be a stretch for a face up jump shooter
to get paid more in the off season. Right, And
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a funny thing happened in Julius Ryndolds's career. He got
paid and he went to the New Orleans Pelicans. He
actually averaged one points a game for the Pelicans. Can
I ask you a question, did they win? Nope? Then
he went to New York Knicks, where he averaged nineteen
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and a half points a game. Again, on paper, you're like, man,
the guy's shooting more threes than he has before and
still shooting a low percentage. But he's you know, he's
shooting a pretty good percentage from the field, very good
with New Orleans average with the Knicks average just twenty
points a game. He's a star, but is he helping
you win games? He's not necessarily part of the problem,
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but he's not the solution. That's Odell Beckham Jr. Otebecam
j is more talented than half the wide receivers in
the league. Does he help you win football games? And look,
he doesn't. The GM who traded for him not there anymore.
The coach who okay the trade, not there anymore. So
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you have a new coach and a new GM, and
they're trying to figure out who are the guys who
are going to help us pull ourselves out of this.
Some guys are just front runners. When things are going good,
they're awesome. When things are going bad, they're not so awesome.
It doesn't mean he's a problem, doesn't mean he's late,
doesn't mean he's a mau content doesn't mean he doesn't
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work hard, doesn't mean he's not talented, and doesn't mean
when you throw in the football he doesn't go up
and try and make a play. What does he do
when the ball is not coming his way? What does
he do on running place when he's a decoy or
has to be a blocker. What does he do to
help the other wide receivers on the team. What does
he do to help his quarterback? What does he do
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to help his coach? When his coach, to Kevin Stefanski,
who has never been a head coach before, comes in
and talks to the team and then walks out. What
does he say? Nothing? Something? Is it something that hey, guys,
we gotta do what he says he knows he's the guy.
Or does he just sit there and go like, I'm
gonna do what I do. Throw me the ball, I'll
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make place, which is likely what it's all about. I know. Yeah,
by the way, this is a lot like Odell Beckham Jr.
In Cleveland. Does he hate being there? No, he's still
going to work, He's still catching passes. He's putting all
his money away. He could spend the off season in
l A and do whatever he wants to do, but
does he want to be there? The answer is no,
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same as life as it probably is in football. You know,
winning cares a lot of things in sports, you know,
but when you're losing, adversity exposes, adversity exposes and things
aren't going well? How do you react? Are your fingerpointer?
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Where do you point in? Right? When you go back
to last year and the you know, my watch? Why
are people concerning with my watch? You know it's not me?
I mean, look, I thought Bruce Arians made a food,
made an assid himself. Yesterday they lose to the Roylean Saints,
his superstar six times Super Bowl champion quarterback doesn't play. Well,
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that's Bruce Arians's chance right there to go like, you
know what, that's all on me. I didn't put him
in a position to succeed. It's you know, it's really hard.
Tom has been a part of a winning culture. He
knows he's for Oh he had to you know what,
you should say, he's forgotten more about winning than I'll
ever know. And then behind closed doors he closed door
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and go like Tommy, let's take it the come on,
you gotta be better. But instead he pointed the figure outward.
You you you you you, we did this, we did hey,
we should nothing that they did. We weren't expecting. In
other words, we knew it was coming. In other words,
it's not us, right, And that's the Odell Beckham Jr.
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And And he may actually be right. It is Baker
Bicker is just not that good. But sometimes you need
to all of your pride, be self deprecating, take the
blame even when it's not your fault, take the blame
when it's not your fault, and divert the credit when
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it is when it is you, when you succeed, and
there you go. That to me, that, to me is
the makings of a guy who's a great player, you know.
I mean, look, people are pointing out the Larry Fitzgerald.
Did you see what Larry Fitzgerald was at the end
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of the first half when he got to be caught
the football and he running and actually put it down
for the line judge and then lined up and he
was ready to go. Like, look, Larry Fitzgerald is an
all time great because he not because he dominated football
when they went to the Super Bowl with Kurt Warner,
but because when his skills started to fade he said,
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I'll move inside. I'll become the best blocker. Heines ward,
same deal. Skills start to fade. Are you when things
are bad? We want to be around you? Like look
a good portion of sports. It's just about the type
of personality you are. I don't want to be around you.
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I don't really want you in my football team. You
had to be so good and even then and things
go bad? Are you a finger pointer? Again? I'm not
saying Odell Beckham Jr. Is a horrible person or even
a bad person. Probably feels a little mature, doesn't really
like Cleveland, probably super frustrated with with Baker Mayfield, who
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does throw his way a lot. But there's a reason
that the Giants signed him to a huge contract and
then traded him to their own detriment. There's a reason
that the moment he hit the ground in Cleveland, the
Browns didn't feel like they got better. They got more
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are talented, but did they get better? And when you
have a rookie head coach there has no ties and
doesn't and you start losing and the rumors of trying
to move you begin, tells you all you need to know.
Doesn't mean he's a bad guy doesn't mean he's the problem.
Also doesn't mean he's a solution.
Us, that would be Sae Kwon Barkley, Like whoa, whoa,
wait a second, yeah, the two thousand and eight teen draft,
se Kwon Barkley went number two overall and he is
a tremendous football player and in comparison even to the
players selected before him, Baker Mayfield, He's kept his name
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out of the headlines he's produced, he hasn't powdered, He's
simply done his job. Last night, sa Kwan Barkley rush
for six yards on fifteen carries from a Pro Football
Focus se Kwan Barkley average and negative point seven yards
before contact per tempt per tempt last night. In other words,
sake on an average was hit one yard behind the
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line of scrimmage every time they handed the football off. Now,
if we look back, the New York Giants could have
taken Sam Donald, who I think, despite the fact that
he didn't play well in Week one, has been up
and down during his three year career. I still I'm
not hopping off the Sam Donald bandwagon. I just don't
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think he's been tell me who he's gonna throw too.
They finally got him a left tackle, but he has
no nobody to throw too. And it's been a disaster.
Levian Bell tweaks a hamstring, doesn't get along with the coach.
They got all kinds of issues. It could have been
Sam Donald. It could have been Josh Allen. It could
have been Josh Rosen, who's currently in the in the
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witness protection program known as the practice team, on the
practice squad for the Tampay Buccaneers. It could have been
Lamar Jackson. The point is that Sequon Barkley, who's a
damn good running back and a damn good dude, and
and it offers up no true flaws as a person.
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By my estimation, this is not se Quan sucks. And
that's why he had fifteen yards six yards on fifteen carries.
That that ain't it. Okay, both of these things can
be true. Se Kwan Barkley can be a hell of
a running back, and they made a mistake, the best
mistake never They made a mistake by drafting him. Because
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help me out. If you think of this, I could
have taken a quarterback, started the rebuild process early. You
could always get a running back later on in the draft.
Don't believe me. Nick Chubb went in the second round
of that draft. Carry on Johnson, I know he's had
some injuries. With the Detroit Lions available later on in
that draft, Darius Gys obviously he had injuries and he
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has off the field issues. Like you keep looking back
and running backs were available later Now he Hinz who
had two touchdowns for the Colts and is a change
of pace back. He went in the fourth round. Running
Backs are always available. But the bigger issue is this,
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I can already predict what's gonna happen in the future.
And this doesn't mean that Danny Dimes isn't a good quarterback.
But because they in their process of rebuilding, the New
York Giants chose to go running back at number two
overall instead of quarterback. They started the clock on se
Kwon Barkley, meaning they're gonna have to pay him early
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and overpay to keep him. They're not gonna let him
walk out the door, because what was the point of
drafting him second overall? You're gonna have to overpay a
running back in his second contract, which is a classic
mistake teams have made time and again. Meanwhile, you're still stuck.
You're still stuck in mediocrity. They're not close to being good.
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There and we'll do this list a little bit later
on in the conversation of the five worst teams in
the National Football League. And if you look back to
that fateful year two thou eighteen, do you know what
every why why people said they should draft a quarterback?
Do you bro why anyone? Bueller Buller? You know what
I heard? Well, you know, the Giants never draft in
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the top five. They just don't. So you know, you
gotta make the right pick to well run organization. They
never never doesn't happen. They don't draft in the top five.
And you know what, people are right, People are really
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really right. Do you know why? Well, that's because the
next year Daniel Jones went sixth, not top five. And
they may finish six, they may finish seventh. The point
is that they're just is not the amount of talent there,
all right? And I don't know whether or not they
could have done business with the New York Jets who
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traded up to three, but they at least should have
engaged with teams that wanted to trade up. You could
have traded down, you could have drafted Donald, you could
have done a lot of things. Instead, you d afted
a hell of a running back way too high and
what is the return on investment? Congratulations, you have a
running back. That's like what what I've often said about
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dudes who drive a hoop tie and put on sweet rims. Great,
you got nice rims. Here's the only problem. You still
drive a hoop tie. Your car still breaks down every
third week. Your car still has smoked in it. You
still have one of those um where you gotta take
the face plate off for your radio. Right, you still
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got a six disc in dash changer. Like bro, you
still got a hoop tie. You just have nice rims.
You still have a hoop tie. If you're the Giants,
you just got a nice running back. Dave Gentleman got
caught in in a foregone era. You know, he looked
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at his big board and said, I know better. We
can run the football. We can hide our aging quarterback.
Sure we might be slightly overdrafting him, but he's the
best damn running back in the league. You can play
on three three downs. He never gets hurt. He's tough,
he's durable, he's yadda YadA YadA. But you know what
they're not. They're not a better football team. And now
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he gets hit on average one yard behind the line
of scrimmage. That's what happened yesterday Lasterday. And it's not
because he's not good. No one's sitting here telling you
the sakewon Barkley sucks that. That is not what this
is about. I'm not even saying Daniel Jones sucks. I
think he's got a chance. I mean, look, one of
the reasons he's able to be a competent as a
quarterback is because they're trying to hit sake on Barkley
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one yard behind the land of scrimmage. They can load
up in the box and dare him to beat him,
and limited instances he can, sometimes he cannot. But the
bigger point is this, and this is really really important,
just because he's a great guy, just because he's good
at what he does, just because his position is one
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that scores touchdowns and you need to win big in
process of rebuilding an offense. It's like eight or ninth
in terms of importance, maybe even that. How about this
stat The Giants have the worst record in the NFL
over the last three seasons, and that continue with another
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loss last night. They've won twelve games in three years
and it doesn't look to be getting any better. And
oh yeah, by the way, during those three years, let's
also remember that the Eagles were ravaged by injuries last year,
the Redskins have been completely dysfunctional, and even the Dallas
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Cowboys have had a couple of good years. Last year
we're a five hundred team. And uh, two years before
they tanked when Ezeki Elliott got suspended. It's not like
they've been going against um, you know, some beaton death
march of great team after great team after great team.
The NFC East, frankly has been down. Yes, yes, the
Eagles won the Super Bowl, but the last couple years
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have not been good. Yes, the Cowboys won thirteen games,
but they haven't put back to back ten win seasons together.
And this and the Washington football team went through coaching
Chamber regime change that they've gone through quarterback after quarterback
after quarterback because of injuries. When you factor all that in,
it's embarrassing how the Giants selected the right guy but
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way too high in the draft. It's the best mistake
they've ever met. Be sure to catch the live edition
of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Easter
noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart
Radio Whap Doug Gotlip Show on Fox Sports Radio. Thank you, Isaac.
Let's turn to Chris Sims. Of course, uh works for
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NBC Sports and he joins us on the Doug Gotlip
Show on Fox Sports Radio. Um, let's let's let's start
with Ben Roethlisberger coming off of the type of surgery
we've never seen a Hall of Fame quarterback or any
quarterback that I know go through basically like baseball players
Tommy John type surgery. How did you think you look, Chris?
I thought he looked for really good. You know. Early on,
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you know, you saw it was a little off target.
I think he was getting used to the chaos and
the mosh pit of the pocket again around his feet
and all of that, which even for a guy like
big Ben Roethlisberger who's going to the Hall of Fame,
it takes some time for him to get used to that.
But once he settled into the game. Uh, and then
you really, once you saw that two minute drive there
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at the end of the first half, he went okay,
here co the Steelers. He's got feel for the speed
of the game again and everything like that, and then
just from the pure throwing standpoint, Doug, his arm is
top notch. I know people in Pittsburgh they've been telling
me it's it looks as good as ever before. And
I think you can believe that. You saw the way
he threw the deep ball last night. He is an
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incredible deep all thrower, one of the best in the
history of football. But overall, I thought it was a
pretty damn good start by him and the Pittsburgh steel
How far away are the Giants? Um, yeah, I mean,
you know, two years away at least, you know, somewhere
in that range. I think next year they probably get
to the playoff competition, like we're fighting for a six
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or a seven feet seed. Whether they get in the
next year like that, and then the year after that.
But yes, you see it. Right now, they're well, they're
totally outclassed by a better Pittsburgh team. I mean, Pittsburgh
kind of stumbled all over themselves at first, fumbled the
punt return on the one yard line, still held it
to a field gold. But there's things to be excited
with the New York Giants. You know, I think you're
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sitting there watching them. I know you, and you know
sports Daniel Jones has got talent. There's something to like
about that. We know what Sa Kuan is. Darius Slayton
is intriguing on that side. So they have some key parts.
They don't have enough difference makers on the defensive side
of the ball. And then they have an offensive line
with it's a work in progress, and those are the
two things that I think will hinder them throughout the year. Yeah,
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I can make the case. Look, I love s Kuon Barkley.
I have nothing negative to say about Sa Kuon Barkley,
but when you go number two overall, and look, they
could have started the quarterback thing earlier and gotten Donald
or they could have traded that pick. I mean like,
look the that pick, the Donald pick was a trade
where they could have gotten a pirates ransom ransom form
which could have rebuilt that offensive line or the defensive
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side of the football um earlier. Right now, they're they're not.
They got these luxury items. They great, they got great
luxury enems, but they don't have offensive and defensive lines
and defensive difference makers. So it doesn't matter. Is it
then a mistake to have drafted Sa Kwan that high? Well,
I do think like your your points very real, and yes,
Sa Kuan is he's not Derrick Henry, right, you know,
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Derrick Henry is the type of runner where you go,
oh man, there's no hole, Derrick Henry, He'll just put
his head down, his shoulders down, He'll drive the pile
for three yards even when there's no hole. That is
not Barkley game the game. It never has been. He's
a space runner. So if I was gonna say, yeah,
the one issue I would have with the Giant says
they haven't necessarily formulated a system and an offense around
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him that fits his skill set. Yeah, you know, quite honestly,
take Kwon Barkley would be best with a Sean McVeigh
or with the with Sean Payton, those type of guys,
right that know how to throw to the ball in
the back, out of the backfield, that type of thing.
But Pat Shermer is a little different that way. Jason Garrett,
I do think has that part in his offense. And
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we saw some of the screens last night, and I
think he'll continue to implement him and they'll just they
gotta find more ways to create space for him. He
is not gonna be a put your head down between
the tackles, sledgehammer. That's gonna have thirty carries for a
hundred yards in a given game. No, he's not. You
want to get him carries maybe eighteen with a number
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of catches to go along with it, and you hope
that Yeah, okay, he might run for two, run for three,
but we give him enough touches. He's gonna rip off
a sixty yard He's gonna rip off a forty yarder.
He's he's Barry Sanders that way, and um yeah, they
have a long work one way to go to help
stay kuon Barkley because he had no chance last night.
I don't care if we put the incredible Hope back there.
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He wasn't going to rush for more than ten yards
against that Steelers defense with that blocking. Chris Sim's joining
us in the Doug Otlip Show on Fox Sports Radio. UM,
I guess the same question regards to Tennessee. They feel
like the exact same thing they were last year, only
now slightly overpaid because they chose to re up Ryan
Tannehill's fine and they chose to re up Derrick Henry.
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And I don't the Derrick Henry thing, just the smash
mouth deal. It doesn't feel sustainable from what they did
last year. I mean just I mean, he's just a
battering ram. And then the Ryan tanney Hill like he
wasn't like he was a big hot name on the market.
Just feels like they decided, let's run it back, only
pay everybody more to do the same thing. I think
so well, I think they found the right pieces to
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sit there and go, I think we can win this way.
And I got no problem with that. I mean, Ryan
Tannehill was phenomenal last year, and I would sit here
and I would argue pretty hard to tell you if
they had switched to Ryan Tannehill earlier in the year,
they probably wouldn't have been nine and seven, They probably
would have been tenn and six, eleven and five. Who
knows where that might be. But I think with Tannehill,
Tannehill is finally an offense to understand how to use
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him and really, you know, uh, express the good parts
of his football game. And yeah, they're a little bit
of a one trick pony. I mean, I think that's
the thing that worries me about the Tennessee Titans is
if you lose Derrick Henry, are you really gonna be
able to play that style of football. So they're putting
a lot on their style and there how they want
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to win games on one guy. But I think for
what they got and if they stay healthy, they look
the part. That's the one thing when they took the
field last night, Man, they got a good looking on
the line, a good looking defensive line. You could see
Corey Davis and a J. Brown uh with with jon
U Smith, they have a chance to be something pretty
good at receiver. And again, you know, you watched Tannehill
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last night. He's on the money more times than not
with throwing the football. I think he's a lot more
talented than we ever gave him credit for in Miami.
You know again, I challenge people out there to go
tell me who the hell was playing with Jarvis? I mean,
other than Jarvis Landry who was playing with Ryan and
Hale's Tannehill down there in Miami. To make you think
that that offense or he was supposed to be successful
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or that team was supposed to go to the playoffs.
I think it's always been a little bit better than
everybody's realized. I think he's in a good spot. The
team likes him, it's a good system fit and watch
out for the kind of sea guidens. Chris Sim's joining
us in the Doug Otlip Show on Fox Sports Radio.
What's explained to me why the Dallas Cowboys offense lacks
explosive place? That is a good question, and I haven't
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watched that film yet. That's I'm gonna hit that tomorrow, okay,
But there's no really no excuse. I mean, I think
their offense became a little staggered a little bit altogether
there in the second half at some point. You know,
the big thing to me is I just, uh, what
is what is the Dallas Cowboy offense? I don't know
what it is yet. You know, with good offense, you
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can say, hey, they do this really awesome or at
an elite level. And when when you do something at
an elite level, it forces the defensive hand to overplay
to stop that elite part of your offense, which opens
up everything else. To me, right now, there's no mantra,
there's no identity. I think they're still trying to figure
that out, but they need to figure it out, because, yeah,
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a lot of playmakers on paper that aren't touching the football.
If I'm the Dallas Cowboys with those weapons in that
offensive line, you gotta get them. Well what's the point
of having Cedee Lamb and Amari Cooper and Michael galpa
Ezekiel and if you can't get them all touches and
get them the ball. I think they're gotta stop. Just
line it up in formations and going, oh, we're the
Dallas Cowboys and we're just gonna overpower you because we're
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more talented than you. Okay, yeah, do that and you'll
go eight and eight, just like you always do. They
need to find something that gives their team and their
players a schematical advantage. The Chiefs have phenomenal football players
right well there, made even better because their coaches creative
and aggressive and we know what they want to do
on that side of the ball. As far as Andy
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Reid his trickery, the motions of speed sweeps, all that,
Dallas Cowboys, your talent really is you. You could argue
it's it's up there with Kansas City on the offensive
side of the ball. Can I get some motions some
speed sweeps? Tossed the ball to Ormari Cooper, you know,
give the ball to Ceedee Lamb. I just think there's
gonna be more movement, more creativity, more motions from that offense,
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especially with all that talent, or they're doing it an injustice.
Chris Sim's joining us in the Doug Otlips Show on
Fox Sports Radio. I said yesterday that, um, I didn't
see the drop off that others saw in Aaron Rodgers,
and I realized that the Minnesota Vikings are a far
cry from the Minnesota Vikings defensive of last year. But man,
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it was undeniable. How good he looked. What is it
the wide receivers have improved? Is it he gets the
system better? Is it he's health you're in, he's sharper,
and he's motivated by the Jordan Love pick what you
read on why the green Bay Packers were so explosive offensively.
I think it's all of what you said. I don't
think there's any doubt that some of what you know
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you said in each area there has played into this.
I think the first thing that I know with Green
Bay they were not happy with the amount of explosive
plays they created last year, and that's twenty plus yard plays. Right.
Other than turnovers, explosive plays are the number one stat
after turn turnovers that dictates who wins and loses football games.
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And you know with the guy like Aaron Rodgers, Yeah,
I think there's more of a uh more you know,
just uh would I want to stubbornness or more of
a want to to throw the ball down the field
by Matt Lafleur by Rogers. I think a guy like
Balda Scandling, who apparently has had a very good camp
if you read anything that's gone up there, he's gained
the trust of Rogers and you can see he can go,
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he can stretch out of defense. Um So I think
it's a little bit of all that let alone him.
The one thing that jumped out to me about Aaron Rodgers,
we know he's got a chip on his shoulders and
he wants to shove it where the sun doesn't shine
to some of those Green Bay people for Draft and
Jordan Love. Here's what jumped out to me though, Doug
and I I, you know, I challenge anyone there to
go back and look. He looked like he was more
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muscular and thicker this year. Last year he got into
this Tom Brady, I'm gonna get yoga and I'm gonna
get thin and be flexible. Well, he couldn't fill out
his pants. If you go watch the watch him in
a uniform and look at last year. I mean literally
there was wrinkles on his butt. But he's not Tom Brady.
I mean, I love Aaron Rodgers. I wish I would
have said, like, hey man, you're not Tom Brady. Tom
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Brady can be long and loose and do yoga. Do
you need to run around and make stuff happen and
throw forty yard lasers? Do you need your explosiveness? I
thought that jumped out to me as soon as I
saw it, and I thought he looked faster, and I
did think his arm is even though it's one of
the greatest ever, still had more pop in it than
what we saw last year too. Um is Baker Mayfield fixable?
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He is, But I'm concerned. I can't lie. You know
the one thing that I come away with right now
more than anything. First off, Hey, Kevin Stefanski's that offense.
I've always questioned that, you know just what what what
was like lighting us all on fire that we went,
oh Man, Minnesota. That's an amazing offense. I need to
see more of that around football. So, you know, one
I'd like to see more creativity that way. And yes,
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Baker Mayfield, it's just too all over the place right now,
and I don't know what to say, you know the things.
The thing that concerns me, Doug going forward here with
him is what is the part of his game that's elite?
You know, out of that draft class. I know what
Lamar Jackson's elete at. I know what Josh Allen's a
lead at. Even Sam Donald, I know he's a really
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elite intermediate thrower and he can move around the pocket
and make any throw from like five to twenty yards
and he puts it on the bull's eye every time.
Baker Mayfield, Yeah, I see splashes of good here and
there and go wow, But I don't never see anything
consistently elite about his game. And I think that's what's
concerning me more and more. Let alone, you know, sloppy
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mechanics and a stupid interception on the first drive of
the football game. So, yeah, this is a big year
for him, and I'm certainly gonna have my eye on
his play and what he does there in that Cleveland offense.
I know that behind the scenes, Bill Belichick called out
Tom Brady, but that was behind the scenes. How do
you think, uh, how do you think Tom Brady handles
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what Bruce Arians said about him yesterday? He'll he'll you know,
he'll take it on the chin. I think a little
bit here and try to be the good quarterback and
good teammate and all that. But I do think that
if Bruce Arians continues to be that aggressive and calling
out Tom Brady, that at some point Tom Brady is
gonna have to maybe say something to him or talk
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about it a little bit. Uh. You know, again, tom Brady,
he's used to people, like you said, being honest with him,
evaluating him, not telling him how he's Grady is New
England doesn't do that to anybody. But Belichick ever called
him out that way, And of course, hey, they're a
work in progress. Let's let's be realistic. He's forty three
and he's no longer one of the ten best quarterbacks
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in football. Everybody has to get that through their brain.
I know he might be the greatest quarterback of all time,
but he is not capable of carrying a team anymore.
He still has a good arm, but I think even
with arians comments about I think he'll short show more
grit and determination. I thought that was a little under
the radar shot because when I watched the film, I'll
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say the same thing I said to you last year.
There's a few throws in the game where I go,
people are open downfield, but he's already thrown the ball
and gotten rid of it because he doesn't want to
hang in the pocket. And that will continue to be
the thing to watch with Brady and if Bruce arians
gets frustrated with that, and also, let's be realistic, we've
all done a disrespect to the football. Got to just
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think that a bunch of names on paper are gonna
come out and click in Week one against the team
like New Orleans Saints who have been together for four
or five years. So there they are working for progress.
I do think Brady will get better, but I do
think the expectations there are very very high for what
people are expecting out of him in that offense. Chris
great stuff man looked forward to catching up in person.
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Can't tell you how much I appreciate you coming on
and sharing your vast football knowledge. Say how to Pops
and thanks for joining us. Yeah you're the man, Doug.
I'll talk to you next week. Be sure to Catch
the live edition of The Doug gott Leap Show weekdays
at three pm Easter Noon Pacific. Odell Beckham Jr. Is
not the problem, but you know what else, He's not
the solution, right, And so you're like, wait a second,
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hold on, no, you you you don't have to be
part of the problem to also not be the solution.
The Browns are missing, there's something not right. They're saying,
there's just something not right. And we kind of convince
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ourselves that look on paper, Chris Sims said this, uh stour,
Remember he said that about Tampay, Like, look names on
a paper, you put them on football field. They don't
just play together. They need time to gel and mold together.
So this is a guess, but more of an educated guess.
It ain't that he's a problem. It's not that he
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comes in stomping his feet. It's not that he doesn't
work hard. It's not that there's anything bad, truly bad
about Odell Beckham Jr. But is he helping you win?
Is he demanding that others perform at the right level?
Is he bringing his own efforts so that guys copy
his work ethic? Like just because you catch one handed
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balls doesn't mean you're willing to. I'll give you an example.
I'll give you the perfect example. Julius Randall. Okay, so
here's what happens with Julius Randall. Julius Randall last year
um was with the l A Lakers. Was that last
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year is the two years and two years ago was
with the l A Lakers, Right and midway through the
year and was his contract year. Contract year, they went
to him and said, hey, dude, you're not rolling to
the basket. What do you mean what when certain players
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are designed for you to roll? And the reason we
want you to roll is not necessarily get the ball,
but it's the free everybody else up because they have
to help on you. But what you're doing is you're
hunting jump shots because you're trying to prove that you
can be a stretch for a face up jump shooter
to get paid more in the off season. Right, And
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a funny thing happened in Julius Ryndolds's career. He got
paid and he went to the New Orleans Pelicans. He
actually averaged one points a game for the Pelicans. Can
I ask you a question, did they win? Nope? Then
he went to New York Knicks, where he averaged nineteen
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and a half points a game. Again, on paper, you're like, man,
the guy's shooting more threes than he has before and
still shooting a low percentage. But he's you know, he's
shooting a pretty good percentage from the field, very good
with New Orleans average with the Knicks average just twenty
points a game. He's a star, but is he helping
you win games? He's not necessarily part of the problem,
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but he's not the solution. That's Odell Beckham Jr. Otebecam
j is more talented than half the wide receivers in
the league. Does he help you win football games? And look,
he doesn't. The GM who traded for him not there anymore.
The coach who okay the trade, not there anymore. So
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you have a new coach and a new GM, and
they're trying to figure out who are the guys who
are going to help us pull ourselves out of this.
Some guys are just front runners. When things are going good,
they're awesome. When things are going bad, they're not so awesome.
It doesn't mean he's a problem, doesn't mean he's late,
doesn't mean he's a mau content doesn't mean he doesn't
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work hard, doesn't mean he's not talented, and doesn't mean
when you throw in the football he doesn't go up
and try and make a play. What does he do
when the ball is not coming his way? What does
he do on running place when he's a decoy or
has to be a blocker. What does he do to
help the other wide receivers on the team. What does
he do to help his quarterback? What does he do
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to help his coach? When his coach, to Kevin Stefanski,
who has never been a head coach before, comes in
and talks to the team and then walks out. What
does he say? Nothing? Something? Is it something that hey, guys,
we gotta do what he says he knows he's the guy.
Or does he just sit there and go like, I'm
gonna do what I do. Throw me the ball, I'll
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make place, which is likely what it's all about. I know. Yeah,
by the way, this is a lot like Odell Beckham Jr.
In Cleveland. Does he hate being there? No, he's still
going to work, He's still catching passes. He's putting all
his money away. He could spend the off season in
l A and do whatever he wants to do, but
does he want to be there? The answer is no,
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same as life as it probably is in football. You know,
winning cares a lot of things in sports, you know,
but when you're losing, adversity exposes, adversity exposes and things
aren't going well? How do you react? Are your fingerpointer?
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Where do you point in? Right? When you go back
to last year and the you know, my watch? Why
are people concerning with my watch? You know it's not me?
I mean, look, I thought Bruce Arians made a food,
made an assid himself. Yesterday they lose to the Roylean Saints,
his superstar six times Super Bowl champion quarterback doesn't play. Well,
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that's Bruce Arians's chance right there to go like, you
know what, that's all on me. I didn't put him
in a position to succeed. It's you know, it's really hard.
Tom has been a part of a winning culture. He
knows he's for Oh he had to you know what,
you should say, he's forgotten more about winning than I'll
ever know. And then behind closed doors he closed door
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and go like Tommy, let's take it the come on,
you gotta be better. But instead he pointed the figure outward.
You you you you you, we did this, we did hey,
we should nothing that they did. We weren't expecting. In
other words, we knew it was coming. In other words,
it's not us, right, And that's the Odell Beckham Jr.
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And And he may actually be right. It is Baker
Bicker is just not that good. But sometimes you need
to all of your pride, be self deprecating, take the
blame even when it's not your fault, take the blame
when it's not your fault, and divert the credit when
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it is when it is you, when you succeed, and
there you go. That to me, that, to me is
the makings of a guy who's a great player, you know.
I mean, look, people are pointing out the Larry Fitzgerald.
Did you see what Larry Fitzgerald was at the end
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of the first half when he got to be caught
the football and he running and actually put it down
for the line judge and then lined up and he
was ready to go. Like, look, Larry Fitzgerald is an
all time great because he not because he dominated football
when they went to the Super Bowl with Kurt Warner,
but because when his skills started to fade he said,
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I'll move inside. I'll become the best blocker. Heines ward,
same deal. Skills start to fade. Are you when things
are bad? We want to be around you? Like look
a good portion of sports. It's just about the type
of personality you are. I don't want to be around you.
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I don't really want you in my football team. You
had to be so good and even then and things
go bad? Are you a finger pointer? Again? I'm not
saying Odell Beckham Jr. Is a horrible person or even
a bad person. Probably feels a little mature, doesn't really
like Cleveland, probably super frustrated with with Baker Mayfield, who
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does throw his way a lot. But there's a reason
that the Giants signed him to a huge contract and
then traded him to their own detriment. There's a reason
that the moment he hit the ground in Cleveland, the
Browns didn't feel like they got better. They got more
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are talented, but did they get better? And when you
have a rookie head coach there has no ties and
doesn't and you start losing and the rumors of trying
to move you begin, tells you all you need to know.
Doesn't mean he's a bad guy doesn't mean he's the problem.
Also doesn't mean he's a solution.
Host
Doug Gottlieb
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