October 22, 2020 • 51 mins
Doug talks about Odell Beckham Jr.’s outlandish comments in defense of his sideline antics and Doug defends a head-scratching move by an NFL GM! Doug breaks down a major misconception about college sports and speaks with former NFL QB Bruce Gradkowski
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day here in southern California. Not that you care. You're like, dude, seriously,
give it a rest. Don't care. You're in l a
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Lakers one Dodgers in the World Series. Don't want to
hear you. I'm not complaining. I'm just stating kind of
fact right, stating fact. Um. Look, look I saw this
and I just you know, we got a great show
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the Great Dwight Freeney will join us. So, look, I
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got a lot of things to get to. I want
to start with this. In addition, in addition to Odell
Beckham Jr. Yesterday saying that I don't think it's gonna
COVID nineteen is gonna enter my body, it's a mutual
respect thing, which is funny. In addition to being suspended
or not allowed, uh not allowed to be around the
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l s U football team for two years, there's other
stuff regarding Odell Beckham Jr. See oh b j Um.
I think it's funny, you know, Odell Beckham Jr. And
I've heard this argument made time and again. Sunday, the
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Browns for the what is it seventeenth consecutive time lost
in Pittsburgh to the Steelers. I don't know whether he
played well or didn't play well. I didn't think Baker
Mayfield played particularly well and for a team that has
been really good this year up until that point, with
the exception the first game against the Baltimore Ravens. They've
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done so based upon their ability to first run the
football and then get the ball to their skill position
players Jeffers Landry, Austin Hooper and of course Odell Beckham Jr.
So what's what's really kind of interesting slash fascinating about
this entire thing is that Odell Beckham Jr. Every year
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around this time there's something right, There's something. If you
go back last year, it was why is he wearing
a watch during an NFL game? Why is he handing
Tom Brady goat haired cleats after a game in which
they lose to Tom Brady. You go back to previous year,
he's with the New York Football Giants, and it's why
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is he on one knee making a proposal to a
kicking net. It is always something with Odell Beckham Jr.
Here's ol b J in his own words defending his
sideline antics. I'm pissed and at this point I really
don't care to keep trying to make myself look like
a good guy into the world and all that I
am who I am. I got pulled out of the game.
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The coach said, this is the best decision. You know,
we're gonna it's eight minutes left, and for me, I'd
rather take my like a man, I'd rather take my
win the same way as people who have plenty of
rings and consider the goat, and they do things on
the sideline, and other people do things on the sideline
and they get away with it, and it's classified as
because there they may have something behind the legacy or
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whatever it is. You know, it's funny. Tonight is the
last presidential debate, right, do you guys remember when Lloyd
Benson was debating dan Quail. Do you remember that, John Ramos,
I do. It's interesting because dan Quail from Indiana. Mike
Pence also from Indiana. Yeah. Um so, look, I don't
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want to get into a political discussion with you, but
I do think there's a little bit of a political discussion.
There's two different parts to it. Okay, first thing is this,
oh b J is saying, hey, Tom Brady yells at
teammates on the sideline, Why can't I yell at teammates
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on the side Tom Brady has seen as passionate? Why
can't an eye and you know what reminds me of this, Like,
I'm forty four years old. I love politics. Okay, when
I was in eighth grade, I had to play al
Gore in a presidential debate. Al Gore at the time
was this bright, young, up and coming star from Georgia's
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Forty years old doesn't mean that I love all of
al Gore's policies or beliefs. It's just from that moment
um it started kind of the political wheels in my
brain thinking in every four years or so, I get
really interested in how politics works. Oh, b J saying
that Tom Brady gets away with it, why can't I
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is just like what Lloyd Benson said, Senator. I served
with Jack Kennedy. I knew Jack Kennedy. Jack Kennedy was
a friend of mine. Senator, you know Jack Kennedy was amazing.
It's like the great like in my lifetime. Okay, the
greatest line from a movie I think is Han Solo
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in Empire Strikes Back. Um, I love you. I know,
in my lifetime, the greatest debate line where you listen
to what somebody says, like, that's the genius of it.
And this is what I like. I was on debate
club when I was a kid and I was in
high school as a model United Nations, I was an athlete,
but I did these other things that I like, and
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my style has always been used the other person's words
against them, which is dan Quell was like he equated
himself to a young Jack Kennedy and Lloyd Benson's like, Senator,
I knew Jack Kennedy. Jack knty was fine, And you, sir,
are no Jack Kennedy. And which is a amazing line.
Look in my lifetime, the greatest line I've ever heard
of president say was George Bush on top of the
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rubble uh in New York City saying, I hear you,
and pretty soon the people that did this are gonna
hear you. Like I got chills even saying it. So
let me just say this, Odell Beckham Jr. And to
the sick of fans and the media who like Odell, No,
he's popular, No, he's cool, And they want to make
it about race. They want to make it about everything
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that it's not about. I don't know Tom Brady. Tom
Brady is not a friend of mine, but you, Sir,
Odell Beckham Jr. Are no Tom Brady. And no one
believes you are wide receivers and quarterbacks are. They play
the same sport. They are not in the same solar
system in terms of what they're able to do and
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the accountability that's held against them. It's it's a completely
different stratosphere. And and O b J's playbook is straight
out of the malcontent wide receiver playbook that we've seen
time and again. It's more refreshing when we see in
Andre Johnson who at the end of his run to Houston,
he got pissed and he's like, get ridy. But for
the most part, Andre Johnson from Miami, he didn't say booted,
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and nobody Julio Jones doesn't say. You know, he's done
the whold out thing, but he's never really done the
look at me thing. He's been the best wide receiver
in league, like Stefan Diggs, who I love. That's more
what wide receivers are like, oh, b J. It's more
what wide receivers like. And these idiots in the media
that want him, well, you know, the white quarterback, No
he can't. He's won six Super Bowls. Okay, let's just
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let's just take this as it is. Let's compare the two.
Everything Tom Brady has done has been about winning and
team taking less money showing up to O. T A
s all but one year he showed up to O.
T A. S All. Right, Um, whatever style they chose
to play, he did it in New England. Even when
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he left and he went to Tampa. He didn't burn
bridges and he didn't take top dollar. And you say, well,
he's not worth top dollar. That's fine. He's got six
super Bowl rings. If he was said like, hey, I
am playing for less than forty million, somebody's gonna find
forty million for him, specifically Tampa. They really want him.
Everything he's done has been about team, and every reaction
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has been about the team playing well, not playing well,
and his buy in is first one in, last one out.
In addition to the fact that quarterbacks are different than
wide receivers, when a quarterback throws the interception, it goes
on his record, doesn't go on the wide receivers record,
even the wide receiver in the route wrong route. Nobody
goes back and says, you know, Peyton Manning throw ten picks.
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Seventeen picks is last year, but but hey, five of
them are in his fault. Nobody says that you're not
the face of the franchise. And when you're getting your
ass picked in Pittsburgh for the seventeenth consecutive time and
you get taken out of the game, you sit there
and you get married as you couldn't be did you
keep your cleats on, put your helmet on, keep a
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chin strap on, and your good damn teammate. That's what
you do. And when you get in the locker room,
if you want to go up to the coach and
con front of say what's going on here? Or you
want to wait until Tuesday, you know, after you have
Monday off or Monday you want to go and on
the flight home, you want to go and sit next
to the coach of what's going on? That's when you
do it. That's what a grown up does. He is
an immature child. He's already gotten run out of New York.
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It's stopping as a talent. It's a great talent. But
the New York Giants said, we want to rebuild this
team and we'll get rid of the highest paid wide receiver,
most talented, young not yet in his prime wide receiver,
because we think that he's a cancer. Right, how were
they two years ago in Cleveland? Not bad? How were
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they last year? Abject disaster? Did they add or subtract
Odell Beckham Jr. Is he helping you win football games?
That's not helping And it's clear that he's leaking to
the media, to the steven as I want to be
traded out of here. Do your four and two. You're
a winning team, you're a winning game. I don't mind
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if I don't blame you for being frustrated with Baker Mayfield.
By the way, when you got there, you had the
balls to say that Baker may feel well, finally play
with the guy who can make all the throws for
what what? What was the win? What was the win?
And putting shade on Eli Manning? Dude, everybody loves Eli Manning.
Don't believe me when they ben c Eli Manning for
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one game. The coach, the general manager of the president
all lost their jobs. And you have the balls to
go to Cleveland, go hey, this guy can make every throw.
By the way, you can't evaluate quarterbacks because Eli is
better than Baker. Everybody would agree. But the problem isn't
in the media. The problem isn't it with Odell Beckham Jr.
It's with the media. And this is where it relates
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to the presidential stuff. Okay, when Trump was running for president,
I didn't find his approach the things he said to
be acceptable in the forum of running for president. But
that was his bag, right, like I'm gonna run as
the non conventional, non presidential I don't even think he
want knew he's gonna win, and then he won. The
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difference in how it's taken. Now you're the president. Now
you represent the free world. You you you can't say
the things that you say. You can't treat the office.
The president was supposed to be like our old It's
always been like our old dad or grandpa whatever. Put
everybody arms like, not this guy. It's by many people's
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estimation in mind in particular, regardless of politics, and believe
it or not, there's some policies I actually agree with it,
but but that's not how we behave in the words
we say and the way we act when we're president.
That's really what a big portion of this is about.
And the wide receivers have acted this way. Okay, quarterbacks
are like presidents. There's certain things that they're allowed to
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say and not allowed to say, and please stop with it.
You're not critical of the white quarterback bull crap. We
roast Baker Mayfield, Aaron Rodgers has bad body language. We
crush him, Johnny may Johnny Manzel got run out of
the NFL. Hey, it's the position. Tim Tebow can't throw football.
They won games and everybody knew couldn't really throw a football.
It's not true. Okay, the mars an m v P.
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Then Mr plays poorly against the against Kanda City Chiefs,
and people like, well, Themar's got ceiling. It's not about race,
it's about position. That position is more important. That position
is certain to cor m. That position is a way
in which you you you treat things. That position is
one of leadership. And if you don't like if if
players didn't like Tom Brady's leadership, they wouldn't play for him, right,
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Jay Cutler was a jerk. The Browns wouldn't play for him.
If you think that Tom Brady is not respected by
every guy in both locker rooms that he's played in,
why the hell do they keep competing when he yells
at them, as opposed to Odell Beckham Jr. Whose main
problem is about himself. So there is a disconnect there
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between reality, how it's really viewed inside every NFL locker room,
in every NFL front office, and what you're hearing from
many of my brethren. I'm not gonna tell you that
the black athlete has always been treated fairly. I'm not
gonna sit here and tell you that black quarterback was
always treated fairly. That would be a lie. But I
will tell you now that if you want to compare
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Tom Brady to Odell Beckham Jr. Everyone who knows anything
about sports is gonna go You're really reaching. It doesn't
make sense. It's it's Dan Quayle saying equating himself to
UH to John F. Kennedy, You're not John F. Kennedy.
I didn't know John F. Kennedy. I don't know Tom Brady.
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O B J. Stop. And you don't have six rings.
You don't have one. You have won one playoff game.
You've been in the playoffs once. And by the way,
when you're on that playoff team, you went on the
boat in Florida the week of the game. And again
you can go on the boat the week in Florida.
But you know what you can't do. You can't go
out and throw out a stinker, which they did in
the playoffs. Your team is four and two. You got
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your ask up by a better football team for the
seventeenth consecutive time on their field. You want to be
a great football player, play better, lead better by example,
keep your shoes on, keep your helmet on. Everyone knows.
Everyone who's played football knows you keep your bonnet on.
And I am just I'm I get up to the
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gills with the Do I think that race plays a
factor in our world? Sure? If you think race plays
a factor and being critical of Odell Beckham Jr. Then
I can't help you because you default racism. Every time
the guy took off his cleats and his helmet while
pitching a fit getting his ass kicked on the football field,
no one else did that on Sunday. There are thirty
two NFL teams. Name the other player who did it.
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Ryan Fitzpatrick just got bench after playing a great game.
He did he throw? You know, he was like, man,
this this thing sucks. I don't know what I'm gonna do.
But when to a ton of a tongue of ioloa
came in, did he take off his helmet throws cleats? Hell?
Now we cheered for him, because that's what you do
in the in the greatest team sport we have. Be
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sure to catch the live edition of the Doug gott
Leap Show weekdays at three p m. Eastern noon Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio in the Heart radio. Ah ap, uh,
did you guys see this deal? Buyer? Did you see
this deal? We're gonna get to damn byer with an
update on all sports stuff in a second, but you
guys see this deal? Yannick and Gockway, who of course
he wanted to get paid in Jacksonville, asked to be
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traded from Jacksonville. They obliged and traded him to the
Minnesota Vikings and Gockway today was traded from the Vikings
to the Ravens just six weeks in. Right now, part
of it is that the Vikings just aren't that good,
but they finalized the trade and uh, I think Schefter
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reported the the Ravens will send a third round pick
and a conditional round picked in Minnesota. Now, the Vikings
had acquired in Gockway for a second round pick and
the conditional fifth round pick. Uh. He had five sacks
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in six games and seven quarterback hits. So look the
Ravens are in a bye week, and this is important,
just so you understand. And here's this is a big
point that I want to make. And I'm not gonna
sit here and tell you that I know as much
about what's going on the league as as Schefter, as Princeton,
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as Jay Glazer and some of those guys. But some
of the stuff I hear on TV here and see
on TV and here on radio are people who it's
not reality. Like they don't they talk about things that
are not like Odell Beckham jar is not getting traded
from a four and two team, Like it's not happening.
These things don't happen, So I don't. I don't want
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to talk about things that aren't real. This is real. Right.
We've said this before about Mark Cooper, who's a good player.
But if you remember, the Cowboys traded first round pick
form and the reason the Raiders wanted to get off
the Mark Cooper train was not because they didn't think
he was good. It was that he was gonna ask
for superstar wide receiver money and they didn't think he's
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a superstar wide receiver. So the Cowboys got him, and
then they're left with the decision of do we overpay
Amari Cooper and basically that says we were right to
trade a first round pick for him or do we
let him walk or do we You know, they couldn't
franchise taging because they had a franchise tag their quarterback.
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That was all screwed up as well. I want to
commend Rick Spielman now in all honesty, um, all full disclosure.
Rick Field is an unbelievable guy. Unbelievable guy. I think
he's adopted six kids, like I got to. This is
an I don't know if he'll own up to it
if Avera comes on radio, but he probably so. When
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I was at the other place, my radio studio I
shared with Colin, but if you remember Colin was in
the earlier times, we're Colin and Dan are now they're
flip flopped, so all want to do a show and
then the studio is empty. So then I got to
come in and I had like that studio kind of
all to myself. It's really nice and um, a couple
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of guys used to come and hang out and I
had these It was a brand new studio. I had
awesome TVs. We were closer to everything, but we were
kind of far away, so like ESPN News and Sports
Center couldn't come and grab guys. It was awesome. So
Terry Francona, Ri s Fielman, Tim Hasselback, Tim Legler periodically
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would come in and like, hey, can I just hang
with you? And we throw them on for a segment,
but really they hang out for a couple of hours
because they had a show to do that night or
that afternoon, and they didn't want anybody to find him
and they didn't like have an office or someone to
close their eyes, so they just sit and we talked
and Rick Rick told me something then this was before
he got the Vikings job that I think he proved
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to be true with this. In Gockway trade, people double
down the mistakes all the time because they want to
say we were right. No, no, no, no, you're all wrong.
We were right. Yanna Kenway was a bad fit for
their system, and they didn't want to pay him the
huge new contract. So yeah, they took a hit and
instead of you know, they lost the second rounder, they'll
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get a third rounder in return, and it probably sets
him back and it may wave a little bit of
the white flag, but that's better than resigning Yanniken Gotkway
simply because you want to prove that you were right.
Sometimes just admitting you were wrong is the hardest thing
as a guy, right like, yeah, I was wrong, shouldn't
have done that. And in the NFL, it's really hard
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in six weeks to go. You know what, There's nothing
wrong with Yannaken Gottway. He's just not the right fit
for us. We're not at that winning spot and he
fits with the Ravens do better and I will lose
a little bit like this is this happens when you
buy a house. You're like, I just I don't love
the house, Like all right, well you sell it. I'm
gonna lose money with the rail over FeAs like okay,
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or you keep being unhappy like which is it? So?
I think what Spielman did was I was brilliant. But
it speaks to his intelligence. His respectability is understanding of
your better off. Losing a little like a like a
one round of a draft pick, then you are wasting
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a lot, which is a lot of money on in Gokway.
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three p m. Easter noon Pacific.
I saw this that the um. There's a controversy in
Texas over the song the Eyes of Texas. Now, the
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Eyes of Texas is the spirit song and the University
of Texas at Austin. It's set to the tune of
I've been working on the railroad, right, But here are
the words. The eyes of Texas are upon you all
the live long day. The eyes of Texas are upon you.
You cannot get go away. Do not think you can
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escape them. At night or early in the morn. The
eyes of Texas are upon you until Gabriel blows his horn. Okay,
so um they do the hook them and that's it.
But because because I've been working on the railroad, was
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an old hymn sung in the Old South by the
chain gangs. There are some in my business who wanted
done away with and during the cancel season of the summer,
there were people at the University of Texas that didn't
want the Eyes of Texas because they deemed it to
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be a racist of nature. Look, I don't know how
to break this to you. And Cristel Conte is a friend.
We talked a little bit about this, but not recently
he's come out and said, you know what, They've done
research and study and they they're going to continue with
the eyes of Texas. Um, you have to take so
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many steps to make that song racially insensitive in anyway, right,
Like if you want to say, if you want to say, hey,
you know pre Civil war Civil War war hymns are
not you know, generally, Okay, I've been working the railroad.
The truth is that many of the railroads, the trans
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Continental Railroad. I hate to be a historian, John Ramos,
who is the trans Continental Railroad built by Union Pacific?
And the who was doing the work? Who who is
doing Oh? Like the type of people that were doing work,
whether a Chinese immigrants who were treated terribly, we're treat terribly. Um.
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We have lost any sense of what racism actually looks
like that we want. It's like we want a default
that everything is about race. And I'll give you the
most recent example I saw on social media, which I
just I can't do it anymore. I can't let it
happen anymore without calling people out. Meyron Medcalf is a
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writer for ESPN dot com. He said one of the
biggest challenges in college basketball was too many white coaches
believe it's their duty to quote raise the black athletes
in their program. The assumption is that these players never
had a good role model and now must be molded.
It's the precursor for abuse. Myron Metcalf never played, never
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coached in basketball. The information that he get he he has,
or this tweet that he put out with this idea
that's in his head, comes from the Pat Chambers was
fired yesterday at Penn State after claims of racial in
sensitive remarks and abuse and an investigation which apparently the
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initial claims weren't proven to be racist in nature at all,
but there was something else that caused to his him
being Austin. Greg Marshall is probably gonna be fired. He's
the head coach which to state crazy successful at Winthrop,
then at which to state claims of abuse. So again,
I'm not in any way apologizing for whatever Pat Chambers did,
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which is not going to be released nor should it be,
or whatever Greg Marshall is accused of. And if it's
proven to be factually correct, if you put your hands
on a player, you're gone. And some of the remarks
which he is quoted as saying, we could do without
but the idea that white coaches think it's their job. Bro,
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do you have do you not know anything about sports
or life in general? Yeah, it's a white coat. Black
coaches do the exact same thing. Any coach who comes
into a young man's living room and sits down with
the mom, with the dad, with the cousin, with the
au coach at the high school, coach, with the mentor,
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with whomever. The first question the mom almost always asks,
you're gonna take care of my baby? Right? And if
the coach is wire the coaches black, their answer is
gonna be absolutely, I will be a father figure, I
will be a mentor. That's what the process demands, That's
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what the job demands. We we we say these things
which are just so incredibly far afield. I saw Dennis Dodds,
who I like you a great deal. He's any time
there's anything about an athlete like But that's why their employees.
Michigan's players are gonna stay on campus while the students
are at home because of COVID, because COVID concerns that.
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That's why they're employees. No, they're not. If they were
employees of the university. You know what's happened to most
employees at universities right now, being furloughed or fired. You
know it can't happen to scholarship athletes, even if they decide, hey,
I don't want to go to class, I don't want
to do anything. I'm scared of COVID, I don't want
to do it. Nothing. They had to keepers scholarship and
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oh yeah, by the way, student athletes are on campus
when students aren't on campus all the time before school starts,
when they have training camp, when when school goes away
for Thanksgiving break, they stay if they're playing in a game,
or playing a conference championship game, or they're playing in
a bowl game. This idea that their employees because they're
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on campus at a different time than other students is
so stupid. That's this this confirmation bias. Because two coaches
that are that that are claimed to be abusive happened
to be white, that doesn't mean it's racist or racial
and nature for a white coach to try and be
a father figure towards a black player when he comes
to play first school. All coaches should be father figures,
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should be mentors towards their kids, regardless of whether that
they have two parents in the home, three parents in
the home, two homes with with you know, step parents, whatever,
no parents, So doesn't matter. You're eighteen to twenty two
years old. You need a grown man to help give
you some guidance every now and again, to call you in,
to hold you accountable, to every once in a while,
have you over for dinner and say hey, man, how's
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it going, And and again, this is our Our problem
is not abusive coaches. Okay, believe it or not, it
is not. Because you have three hundred and fifty schools.
You got two right now, one who has fired for abuse,
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another one who I think he's gonna be fired. Things
really hard, I mean, makes a lot of money, has
been really successful. But some of the things he said,
if he laid his hands on the kid, he's gone.
And there's multiple reports that he did, he's gone. How
your percentages when you got two out of three fifty
and even if we say you know that there's probably
five or ten more that aren't being reported. Again, you know,
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in any job, in any boss, you're going to have
abusive bosses. It doesn't mean that the entire profession is
full of abusive people. It doesn't mean that every boss
is my boss is here great, And it definitely doesn't
mean that race plays a factor. We don't default to race.
If race is a factor. If there's racial things done,
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there's things done to a black athlete that aren't done
to a white athlete, well then let's have that discussion.
But when do we get to this point? And again,
the point is that the problem is not with the player,
it's with the media. Like, Myron, you're so out of
your league in this thing. Well, you know, I talked
to a coach, Like all right, then the coach the player.
If you saw abuse or abuse was claimed and somebody
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was using that like you're acting like like coaches who
helped parent their kids when they're away at school is
like a precursor for abuse. That's what you wrote. What
are you doing? How dare you say that? Yes, I'm
defending coaches because you know what, they don't get into
it for some glory and making tons of money. They
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just don't. They get it because they love ball, They
like kids, they like competing, and they like the college process.
They like being around young people who keeps some young.
They like the idea of getting in a gym and
then get in a film room working it out, playing
the road games, playing for the crowds, playing the n
s A tournament, playing for conference championships. That's how they
do it. And yeah, there's a select few guys. There's
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probably two hundred or so that make over a million dollars,
and there's probably fifty or so that makeover you know,
a million and a half two million dollars. And by
the way, again there's three D fifty Division one schools.
There's probably a thousand overall schools in Division one, Division two,
Division three and n A A. There plenty of coaches
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that aren't making money, bro, Just so you're aware, my
brother was has been an assistant coach for twenty five
years Cal Poly, Sacramento State, San Diego State, cal Berkeley,
organ State. Last a couple months ago he was called
an organ State and said, hey, you didn't do anything wrong,
but we're cutting twenty six people from the athletic department.
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He's currently now an assistant at Grand Canyon with the women. Well,
by the way, it's like they got a new coach's
from Drury. She's amazing. It's a job, and unlike players,
they can be fired or furload or let go during
tough times, and they pay taxes on it, and they
had to move their families. And that's not what players
go through and it's not a precursor for abuse. When
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you're kind, thoughtful coach that wants to help kids go
through it amazing transition or life from a boy to
a man, to be part of that process, think about
what you're suggesting. Here's the last thing if you want
to make the point to be a good one, that
there are two few Division one head coaches that are
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either black, Asian, Hispanic, UM, mixed race, whatever I would have,
I have no problem with that none. You got to
do a better job. UM. I would also point out
that that part of what will allow that to happen
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is again some of these coaches, some of these players
not transferring as much. When you don't transfer, when you
are four years at a program or even three years
out of program, you have a stronger tied to that program.
And when you're tied to those programs, when you understand
everything makes it up, you become tied to that community.
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You're tied to the community. You'll stay there as a
grad assistant, you'll get on as a d o b
Oh as a full time assistant and whatever. There are
other factors kind of at play there. But it should
also be pointed out that like, look, I you can
make the argument that there's not enough black coaches. That
doesn't mean a white coaches are racist or that white
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coaches are using their power for evil influence. That's unfair,
that's not true. There's no proof to it. And by
the way, it speaks poorly for how you do your job,
because if there's this type of intimidation and racism and
bullying at play, how can you haven't reported You didn't
break that story. Jeff Goodman did, so I'm not gonna
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sit here and bore you with but you know we
we we did this with Odell Beckham Jr. Like Odell
Beckham Jr. Is not We're not getting onto him because
he he he's black with flamboy like do Odell Beckham Jr.
Considering what he's accomplished since being he's way more popular
than he actually is accomplished. There are plenty of black
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players that are doing quite well. He's the only one
that got the video with a woman and what looked
like cocaine hotel room. He's the only one who had
the kicking at fiasco. He's the only one who the
goat shoes to Tom Brady when they lost to New
England last year. He's the only one who didn't show
up to O T A S and then couldn't get
on the same page with Baker Mayfield. He's the only
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one who called out the arm strength of Eli Manning
and now seems to have a problem with Baker Mayfield.
He's the only one who was who was doing the
thing with the kicking net. He's the you know, we
go on and on. What you have to be cautious
of is are we doing a good job? Like anybody's
like wholl racisms worse than ever, Like no, it's not
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stop it the Civil War, World War two, it's just you.
You feel it more because of social media, you feel
it more because of politics and the way it's discussed.
But the reality is we're much more involved than we're
giving ourselves credit for. Much more involved kids are coaches are.
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But the challenges for the media we need to be
more involved. The old c something, say something, say something,
and if not, maybe you're not saying anything because it
doesn't actually exist. Greg Marshall was a jerk. He was
fine to me. He was a jerk to my producer.
He did something when I was at CBS. He said
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he had one kind of snide remark, which you know,
kind of underlied. But he's a great coach. He would
have jerked to just the black people. It wasn't a
jerk because he was a father figure to his players.
He was jerked because he's really, really, really really good
and it went to his head. I thought I could
treat people like crap. The story oldest time Pat Chambers.
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I don't know what he did, but whatever claims of
abuse there are not because he was mentoring young people.
The second we make mentoring and fathering and helping be
kind of that that male role model to go to
at a college camp is a bad thing for college coaches.
Is when we've completely lost track of what a college
coach is supposed to do. That that's exactly what they're
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supposed to do, the coaching stuff, it's inconsequential in reality.
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Doug Otlive show Fox Sports trader Bruce Godkowski joins us.
A former NFL quarterback and a good one, and of
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course you read his work in Pro Football Focus. Um
stop me if you heard this before. But Odell Beckham Jr.
Is unhappy. Uh, he's he's tired of losing there four
and two? What what what do you do? You've been
and you've played in Cleveland, you've been their starting quarterback.
What do you do when you got a wide receiver
who you're four and two? And Javins didn't play well
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against a really good Steelers team and he's drawn attention
to himself. Yeah, I mean, look, yeah, I was. I
was in the locker room with Antonio Brown, you know,
when I was in Pittsburgh, and look, all good receivers
won the football. I think, I don't know if I've
ever met the receivers that's not selfish on the field
and wants to be involved in the game, you know.
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So I don't I don't get mad at that. But
you know, for the standpoint of where the Browns are
right now, they're competitive, They've they just got whooped to
a good Steelers team. Now how do you bounce back?
It's it's similar to the stuff going on in Dallas, right,
this stuff starts leaking outside the locker room, And to me,
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that's a loser's mentality. If there's issues inside the locker room,
you handle it inside the locker room, knowing you still
have a chance at the division, knowing you're you're still
going to compete, uh you know, to win games and
make a run at the playoffs. And for the Browns,
they're in good position. You know, it's frustrating. I get
what he's talking about about losing to good football teams,
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but it's also like, what are you gonna do about
it now? Though? You know, how do you prepare for
next week? How do you sharpen your routes? How do
you communicate better? How do you make sure him and
Baker are on the same page? You know? How do
you continue to better every day to make a push
for the division, to make a push to make the playoffs.
Because the Browns are closed, I mean they're close, and look,
I love O'Dell's competitiveness. He's an unbelievable uh talented wide receiver.
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Uh So, if they could keep this kind of in house,
continue to build and grow on on some of the
success they've had. I mean, they're a competitive football team. Yeah,
I feel like this is him because against the trade deadline,
this him trying to get traded, which is dumb because
they're not gonna. They're not gonna right well, you know,
I know, I mean, you just never know, you know,
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because you know, how is it in the locker room
and whatnot, and you could get frustrated at times. You know,
sometimes Baker Mayfield gets out progressions too fat. I can understand,
if you know, if I'm O b J and I'm watching,
uh make a Fitzpatrick's pick six, and I'm thinking, I'm
wide open on the slant on the outside and he
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tried to throw it inside and got take and went
to the house. And you're as players, you see that
on film, so of course you're curious of, man, my
quarterback make that decision. And when I see plays like that,
to me, you know, sometimes young quarterbacks they try to
see too much, do too much. You know, on that
play for instance, Uh, you see kind of the Steelers
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there in a too high show initially and then they
inverted the snap. You know, if I have any inclination
that I have my one on one to Jarvis slantry
who is the single receiver at the time up top
to the right. I'm taking my one on one so
I don't have to read anything else out now, say
you do still work the field like Baker Mayfield did.
Now with that invert down, now you just read it
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outside in you read the flat uh to the outside slant.
You don't even look at the inside slant. So it's
it's things like that. I just think the Browns are
at a point to that. Um. Kevin Stefanski has to
do a good job. I think he's doing a tremendous job,
but he kind of has to be like Kyle Shan
and he has to be like Sean McVeigh that they're
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taking stuff off the quarterback play, they're calling the right places,
they're put them in the right situation. There's a lot
of boots and play actions and miss directions and and
pure progression plays that eliminate decisions from the quarterback. Hey
just read it hide to low one, two three. And
if Baker Mayfield could do that um and have plays
like that, he'll be successful because when he's in rhythm
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and he knows where he's going with the ball, he
could be very accurate. Bruce Kraykowski join us on The
Doug Otlip Show on Fox Sports Radio. What about the
other side, how's Big Ben? Look? You know Big Ben?
To me, the thing I love is his stats aren't
just uh crazy or anything like that, yardage wise and touchdowns,
but man, he's just he's playing efficient, he's playing smart,
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and I feel like he just understands the team he
has around him. Uh Ben had a chance, you know,
unfortunately watching the whole season and um watching the nightmare
offensively last year for the Steelers, and he washed all
the turnovers. He watched the offense put the defense and
bad situations and put the team in bad situations. So
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now it's almost like he comes back and he's operating
the opposite way, you know, where he's being very efficient
with the football. I mean last week he tried to
force a few in there, but he has loving touchdowns
to one interception. I mean, that's good football by the
quarterback right there. And I think the Steelers last week
they tried doing too many r pos to start the game.
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And look, r p o s are great for some
quarterbacks that are comfortable with it, but it's not easy
making a decision post snap and not even making a
decision post nap, but you have to read a specific
defender post snap as you're faking a handoff or going
to hand the handoff, and then have to read a
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progression out. So um, that could be tough at times,
and the stewers got in a rhythm when they just
dropped back and passed. I mean, for Ben right now,
he's you know, doing a pretty good job for us
grading wise at PFF. You know, he just, um, I
just think that the thing that stands out. You know,
he's thirteenth with for us right now with his PFF
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passing grade at seventy six point one. I just think,
you know, it comes down to plane of fishing, and
that's what he's doing. He's being smart with the football
for the most part, uh and making good decisions. Yeah,
it's interesting. You know, Aaron Rodgers, they churched some of
that RPO stuff last year. What you don't realize is
these quarterbacks like Ben and Aaron, they didn't play they
didn't do this in high school. They didn't do it
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in college. Right, So it's not like you oh yeah yeah,
like with the younger quarterbacks, they've all played that way
at some point in time in the in their life,
like back when Big Ben only started one year in
high school. When he did, they were running power. I like,
you don't really you didn't realize how how old those
guys are. By By comparison, Doug got lipshell. You're on
Fox Sports Radio. Um, what went so wrong for Aaron
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with They're up to nothing? Then he throws the pick
six and felt like he's kind of flung it out there. Um,
but he gives up two interceptions and then it just
it fell apart. What happened? Yeah, I mean, it's just
it wasn't It wasn't a good game, you know. I
think it must have been the end zone celebration right
when he scored to touch that. From there it kind
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of went downhill. But I just look at Rogers so
far on the year, seventeen big time throw so far.
So he's been playing out of his mind in that sense,
and only three turnover where he plays. The unfortunate thing,
the three turnover where he plays came last week against
Tampa Bay. You could tell he was just out of rhythm,
out of sorts. He didn't have that smooth, quiet confidence
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about himself in the pocket. He was holding it on
holding on the ball, attat too long where you know,
the previous weeks he made good decisions, getting the ball
of his hands, going through his progression, staying on um
task at him. And this week, you know, a forty
five point eight passing great for us, A three term
where he plays that that's not gonna win a lot
of games. Just thing though about Aaron Rodgers is going
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back to our PFF data, anytime he has graded under
a fifty PFF gray, he has exploded back on the scene.
So he's never followed up with a poor performance. So
I expect him to to get back into playing the
way he's been so far this year. I look at
you know, green Bay last week, their protection wasn't good,
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you know, upfront, offense line, too many leakages, uh, in
the protection, running back pick up pickups in the protection,
very soft, not attacking the defender, given too much ground up. Uh.
So last week just wasn't a good game for Green Bay.
And you know it's gonna be it. It's fortunate that
now they could bounce back and have something to learn from.
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Sometimes when you come off by you get a little sloppy. Yeah,
I mean that. And and last year. It happened when
they traveled to the West coast, they got a little
sloppy and they got kind of smacked around. Uh. Doug
Atli show here on Fox Sports Radio, Brush Gikowski our guest, Um,
what's your reaction to to being announced as the starter
so soon? Um? I was at I was a little surprised,
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But then you know, and in the other side, I
was surprised for the fact that I love Fitzpatrick. I
think he's great in the locker room. I think he's
great in the huddle. He's had proven better and he
understands the offense. But I wasn't surprised in the sense
of when I was grading the throws Sunday and the Monday,
I kept looking. It was towards the end of the
game too, and I'm like, oh, why do you throw that? Oh?
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And and there was a few bad decisions. I was like,
come on, fits like that really stood out to me,
you know, because I was expecting, you know, perceptions reality, right,
the perception all the Dolphins one I was a good
game too, got his first few throws. All that's that's sweet,
that's cute. And then I kind of grade at Fitzpatrick
I was like, oh, no, he didn't plays as well
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as I thought. I mean, he had zero big time
throws for us in three turnover worthy plays. You know,
he was a third ranked quarter quarterback this past week, uh,
with a passing grade of fifty point six. So he
did not, you know, play very well. And I was
kind of surprised at the decision. But in the other sense,
look two is the future. Um. The Dolphins are playing
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competitive right now, so I think too of you know,
will do maybe a better job protecting the football. And
also he's more athletic to extend plays to his very
quick twitch that like, you know what, that's what I
like about him coming out of college. So I mean, man,
maybe this gives the Dolphins more of an opportunity with
him behind center. And you also know, look, he's the future,
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so why not just get him in there now, give
him some action, um, and live and die with him
behind center. So I don't hate the decision, you know,
it just always stinks because we love fits as the
person and what he's brunt of this game and his
competitive nature. Why were the Patriots so bad? Well, I
think you know, you look at the Patriots and I
know Belichick pointed it out. But when with all this
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COVID stuff, you're not getting a lot of field time
and in practice, and with Cam Newton, I mean it's
it's important. Like I was a practice guy. I needed practice.
I couldn't just show up like big bend in a
game and throw for three seventy six yards against the Browns. Uh.
The one game Ben went in as a backup to
Landry Jones, I'm sitting there like bending to get a
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single rep all week. He has a bad ankle or
whatever he had at the time, and Landry Jones gets
hurt in the first series of the game, Ben goes
in and rips the Browns for like three seventy seven
yards or something like that. It was ridiculous. And some
guys just need the practice and some guys are just
straight ballers no matter what. And I just think it's
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important that the Patriots do get back to practice, do
get back to the details, because that's how they have
to win. They don't have guys that are just gonna
take over games. Uh. They have to win by a
good team effort offensively, defensively, and special teams. And I
just think right now that Patriots offense isn't doing much.
Not a lot of guys winning outside and you know,
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or if they do win, Cam if he's got to
make the throws, or it's just Cam you know, sprinkling
some some of his runs, but that's just not gonna
get it done. So I expect the vast improvement this
week because of the way Bill Belichick coaches and Josh McDaniels.
So I'm looking forward to watching them play, but I
still don't think. I don't think they'll pull it out
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against the Niners. It's almost like Kyle Shanahan is a
younger version of Bill Belichick, but the offensive minded Bill Belichick.
So it's always fun to watch these two two teams
go at it. I'm gonna see Daniel Jones tonight. He
is a turnover guy. I mean, I um is everything
else he's doing good enough to wait for him to
fix his turnover issue. You know, well you pointing it
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out sometimes in the pocket Daniel Jones doesn't protect the
ball that well. He can drift back at times, and
that you know, is not good for his offensive line.
And I look, you know Wednesday and Daniel Jones. It's
the tale of two halves for these guys in the
sense of we're six weeks done in the season. The
first three weeks, Wentz was awful, right, I mean right
now he has a total of sevent team turnover turnover
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worth he plays for US the PFF. Twelve of those
came in the first three weeks, but these last three
weeks he cut them in half. He only has five
turn o worthy plays in the same time. Same thing
with his big time throws. These last three weeks he
has doubled his big time throws. So Wentz is on
the uprise. Well, Daniel Jones actually is the opposite. Jones
started off the season the first few weeks grading really
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good number six eighty nine grade for US in rhythm
um and now in rhythm he grades the twenty three
for US the last three weeks. So these two guys
are different spectrums right now. I feel like the Eagles
and Wins are a little on an uprise and Jones
and the Giants are kind of even though they're coming
off their first win. I think Jason Garrett has to
do more offensively to help him out put his young
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quarterback in group positions. Uh. The stuff you see with
McVeigh the Bunch formations that the jett sweeps the misdirections
and things of that sort. And you know a guy
like both these quarterbacks though, because of how competitive they are. Um,
so it'll be a fun game to watch. Great stuff, Bruce, Bruce,
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got a lot of things to get to. I want
to start with this. In addition, in addition to Odell
Beckham Jr. Yesterday saying that I don't think it's gonna
COVID nineteen is gonna enter my body, it's a mutual
respect thing, which is funny. In addition to being suspended
or not allowed, uh not allowed to be around the
(01:50):
l s U football team for two years, there's other
stuff regarding Odell Beckham Jr. See oh b j Um.
I think it's funny, you know, Odell Beckham Jr. And
I've heard this argument made time and again. Sunday, the
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Browns for the what is it seventeenth consecutive time lost
in Pittsburgh to the Steelers. I don't know whether he
played well or didn't play well. I didn't think Baker
Mayfield played particularly well and for a team that has
been really good this year up until that point, with
the exception the first game against the Baltimore Ravens. They've
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done so based upon their ability to first run the
football and then get the ball to their skill position
players Jeffers Landry, Austin Hooper and of course Odell Beckham Jr.
So what's what's really kind of interesting slash fascinating about
this entire thing is that Odell Beckham Jr. Every year
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around this time there's something right, There's something. If you
go back last year, it was why is he wearing
a watch during an NFL game? Why is he handing
Tom Brady goat haired cleats after a game in which
they lose to Tom Brady. You go back to previous year,
he's with the New York Football Giants, and it's why
(03:20):
is he on one knee making a proposal to a
kicking net. It is always something with Odell Beckham Jr.
Here's ol b J in his own words defending his
sideline antics. I'm pissed and at this point I really
don't care to keep trying to make myself look like
a good guy into the world and all that I
am who I am. I got pulled out of the game.
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The coach said, this is the best decision. You know,
we're gonna it's eight minutes left, and for me, I'd
rather take my like a man, I'd rather take my
win the same way as people who have plenty of
rings and consider the goat, and they do things on
the sideline, and other people do things on the sideline
and they get away with it, and it's classified as
because there they may have something behind the legacy or
(04:05):
whatever it is. You know, it's funny. Tonight is the
last presidential debate, right, do you guys remember when Lloyd
Benson was debating dan Quail. Do you remember that, John Ramos,
I do. It's interesting because dan Quail from Indiana. Mike
Pence also from Indiana. Yeah. Um so, look, I don't
(04:36):
want to get into a political discussion with you, but
I do think there's a little bit of a political discussion.
There's two different parts to it. Okay, first thing is this,
oh b J is saying, hey, Tom Brady yells at
teammates on the sideline, Why can't I yell at teammates
(04:56):
on the side Tom Brady has seen as passionate? Why
can't an eye and you know what reminds me of this, Like,
I'm forty four years old. I love politics. Okay, when
I was in eighth grade, I had to play al
Gore in a presidential debate. Al Gore at the time
was this bright, young, up and coming star from Georgia's
(05:18):
Forty years old doesn't mean that I love all of
al Gore's policies or beliefs. It's just from that moment
um it started kind of the political wheels in my
brain thinking in every four years or so, I get
really interested in how politics works. Oh, b J saying
that Tom Brady gets away with it, why can't I
(05:42):
is just like what Lloyd Benson said, Senator. I served
with Jack Kennedy. I knew Jack Kennedy. Jack Kennedy was
a friend of mine. Senator, you know Jack Kennedy was amazing.
It's like the great like in my lifetime. Okay, the
greatest line from a movie I think is Han Solo
(06:03):
in Empire Strikes Back. Um, I love you. I know,
in my lifetime, the greatest debate line where you listen
to what somebody says, like, that's the genius of it.
And this is what I like. I was on debate
club when I was a kid and I was in
high school as a model United Nations, I was an athlete,
but I did these other things that I like, and
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my style has always been used the other person's words
against them, which is dan Quell was like he equated
himself to a young Jack Kennedy and Lloyd Benson's like, Senator,
I knew Jack Kennedy. Jack knty was fine, And you, sir,
are no Jack Kennedy. And which is a amazing line.
Look in my lifetime, the greatest line I've ever heard
of president say was George Bush on top of the
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rubble uh in New York City saying, I hear you,
and pretty soon the people that did this are gonna
hear you. Like I got chills even saying it. So
let me just say this, Odell Beckham Jr. And to
the sick of fans and the media who like Odell, No,
he's popular, No, he's cool, And they want to make
it about race. They want to make it about everything
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that it's not about. I don't know Tom Brady. Tom
Brady is not a friend of mine, but you, Sir,
Odell Beckham Jr. Are no Tom Brady. And no one
believes you are wide receivers and quarterbacks are. They play
the same sport. They are not in the same solar
system in terms of what they're able to do and
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the accountability that's held against them. It's it's a completely
different stratosphere. And and O b J's playbook is straight
out of the malcontent wide receiver playbook that we've seen
time and again. It's more refreshing when we see in
Andre Johnson who at the end of his run to Houston,
he got pissed and he's like, get ridy. But for
the most part, Andre Johnson from Miami, he didn't say booted,
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and nobody Julio Jones doesn't say. You know, he's done
the whold out thing, but he's never really done the
look at me thing. He's been the best wide receiver
in league, like Stefan Diggs, who I love. That's more
what wide receivers are like, oh, b J. It's more
what wide receivers like. And these idiots in the media
that want him, well, you know, the white quarterback, No
he can't. He's won six Super Bowls. Okay, let's just
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let's just take this as it is. Let's compare the two.
Everything Tom Brady has done has been about winning and
team taking less money showing up to O. T A
s all but one year he showed up to O.
T A. S All. Right, Um, whatever style they chose
to play, he did it in New England. Even when
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he left and he went to Tampa. He didn't burn
bridges and he didn't take top dollar. And you say, well,
he's not worth top dollar. That's fine. He's got six
super Bowl rings. If he was said like, hey, I
am playing for less than forty million, somebody's gonna find
forty million for him, specifically Tampa. They really want him.
Everything he's done has been about team, and every reaction
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has been about the team playing well, not playing well,
and his buy in is first one in, last one out.
In addition to the fact that quarterbacks are different than
wide receivers, when a quarterback throws the interception, it goes
on his record, doesn't go on the wide receivers record,
even the wide receiver in the route wrong route. Nobody
goes back and says, you know, Peyton Manning throw ten picks.
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Seventeen picks is last year, but but hey, five of
them are in his fault. Nobody says that you're not
the face of the franchise. And when you're getting your
ass picked in Pittsburgh for the seventeenth consecutive time and
you get taken out of the game, you sit there
and you get married as you couldn't be did you
keep your cleats on, put your helmet on, keep a
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chin strap on, and your good damn teammate. That's what
you do. And when you get in the locker room,
if you want to go up to the coach and
con front of say what's going on here? Or you
want to wait until Tuesday, you know, after you have
Monday off or Monday you want to go and on
the flight home, you want to go and sit next
to the coach of what's going on? That's when you
do it. That's what a grown up does. He is
an immature child. He's already gotten run out of New York.
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It's stopping as a talent. It's a great talent. But
the New York Giants said, we want to rebuild this
team and we'll get rid of the highest paid wide receiver,
most talented, young not yet in his prime wide receiver,
because we think that he's a cancer. Right, how were
they two years ago in Cleveland? Not bad? How were
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they last year? Abject disaster? Did they add or subtract
Odell Beckham Jr. Is he helping you win football games?
That's not helping And it's clear that he's leaking to
the media, to the steven as I want to be
traded out of here. Do your four and two. You're
a winning team, you're a winning game. I don't mind
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if I don't blame you for being frustrated with Baker Mayfield.
By the way, when you got there, you had the
balls to say that Baker may feel well, finally play
with the guy who can make all the throws for
what what? What was the win? What was the win?
And putting shade on Eli Manning? Dude, everybody loves Eli Manning.
Don't believe me when they ben c Eli Manning for
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one game. The coach, the general manager of the president
all lost their jobs. And you have the balls to
go to Cleveland, go hey, this guy can make every throw.
By the way, you can't evaluate quarterbacks because Eli is
better than Baker. Everybody would agree. But the problem isn't
in the media. The problem isn't it with Odell Beckham Jr.
It's with the media. And this is where it relates
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to the presidential stuff. Okay, when Trump was running for president,
I didn't find his approach the things he said to
be acceptable in the forum of running for president. But
that was his bag, right, like I'm gonna run as
the non conventional, non presidential I don't even think he
want knew he's gonna win, and then he won. The
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difference in how it's taken. Now you're the president. Now
you represent the free world. You you you can't say
the things that you say. You can't treat the office.
The president was supposed to be like our old It's
always been like our old dad or grandpa whatever. Put
everybody arms like, not this guy. It's by many people's
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estimation in mind in particular, regardless of politics, and believe
it or not, there's some policies I actually agree with it,
but but that's not how we behave in the words
we say and the way we act when we're president.
That's really what a big portion of this is about.
And the wide receivers have acted this way. Okay, quarterbacks
are like presidents. There's certain things that they're allowed to
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say and not allowed to say, and please stop with it.
You're not critical of the white quarterback bull crap. We
roast Baker Mayfield, Aaron Rodgers has bad body language. We
crush him, Johnny may Johnny Manzel got run out of
the NFL. Hey, it's the position. Tim Tebow can't throw football.
They won games and everybody knew couldn't really throw a football.
It's not true. Okay, the mars an m v P.
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Then Mr plays poorly against the against Kanda City Chiefs,
and people like, well, Themar's got ceiling. It's not about race,
it's about position. That position is more important. That position
is certain to cor m. That position is a way
in which you you you treat things. That position is
one of leadership. And if you don't like if if
players didn't like Tom Brady's leadership, they wouldn't play for him, right,
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Jay Cutler was a jerk. The Browns wouldn't play for him.
If you think that Tom Brady is not respected by
every guy in both locker rooms that he's played in,
why the hell do they keep competing when he yells
at them, as opposed to Odell Beckham Jr. Whose main
problem is about himself. So there is a disconnect there
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between reality, how it's really viewed inside every NFL locker room,
in every NFL front office, and what you're hearing from
many of my brethren. I'm not gonna tell you that
the black athlete has always been treated fairly. I'm not
gonna sit here and tell you that black quarterback was
always treated fairly. That would be a lie. But I
will tell you now that if you want to compare
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Tom Brady to Odell Beckham Jr. Everyone who knows anything
about sports is gonna go You're really reaching. It doesn't
make sense. It's it's Dan Quayle saying equating himself to
UH to John F. Kennedy, You're not John F. Kennedy.
I didn't know John F. Kennedy. I don't know Tom Brady.
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O B J. Stop. And you don't have six rings.
You don't have one. You have won one playoff game.
You've been in the playoffs once. And by the way,
when you're on that playoff team, you went on the
boat in Florida the week of the game. And again
you can go on the boat the week in Florida.
But you know what you can't do. You can't go
out and throw out a stinker, which they did in
the playoffs. Your team is four and two. You got
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your ask up by a better football team for the
seventeenth consecutive time on their field. You want to be
a great football player, play better, lead better by example,
keep your shoes on, keep your helmet on. Everyone knows.
Everyone who's played football knows you keep your bonnet on.
And I am just I'm I get up to the
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gills with the Do I think that race plays a
factor in our world? Sure? If you think race plays
a factor and being critical of Odell Beckham Jr. Then
I can't help you because you default racism. Every time
the guy took off his cleats and his helmet while
pitching a fit getting his ass kicked on the football field,
no one else did that on Sunday. There are thirty
two NFL teams. Name the other player who did it.
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Ryan Fitzpatrick just got bench after playing a great game.
He did he throw? You know, he was like, man,
this this thing sucks. I don't know what I'm gonna do.
But when to a ton of a tongue of ioloa
came in, did he take off his helmet throws cleats? Hell?
Now we cheered for him, because that's what you do
in the in the greatest team sport we have. Be
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on Fox Sports Radio in the Heart radio. Ah ap, uh,
did you guys see this deal? Buyer? Did you see
this deal? We're gonna get to damn byer with an
update on all sports stuff in a second, but you
guys see this deal? Yannick and Gockway, who of course
he wanted to get paid in Jacksonville, asked to be
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traded from Jacksonville. They obliged and traded him to the
Minnesota Vikings and Gockway today was traded from the Vikings
to the Ravens just six weeks in. Right now, part
of it is that the Vikings just aren't that good,
but they finalized the trade and uh, I think Schefter
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reported the the Ravens will send a third round pick
and a conditional round picked in Minnesota. Now, the Vikings
had acquired in Gockway for a second round pick and
the conditional fifth round pick. Uh. He had five sacks
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in six games and seven quarterback hits. So look the
Ravens are in a bye week, and this is important,
just so you understand. And here's this is a big
point that I want to make. And I'm not gonna
sit here and tell you that I know as much
about what's going on the league as as Schefter, as Princeton,
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as Jay Glazer and some of those guys. But some
of the stuff I hear on TV here and see
on TV and here on radio are people who it's
not reality. Like they don't they talk about things that
are not like Odell Beckham jar is not getting traded
from a four and two team, Like it's not happening.
These things don't happen, So I don't. I don't want
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to talk about things that aren't real. This is real. Right.
We've said this before about Mark Cooper, who's a good player.
But if you remember, the Cowboys traded first round pick
form and the reason the Raiders wanted to get off
the Mark Cooper train was not because they didn't think
he was good. It was that he was gonna ask
for superstar wide receiver money and they didn't think he's
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a superstar wide receiver. So the Cowboys got him, and
then they're left with the decision of do we overpay
Amari Cooper and basically that says we were right to
trade a first round pick for him or do we
let him walk or do we You know, they couldn't
franchise taging because they had a franchise tag their quarterback.
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That was all screwed up as well. I want to
commend Rick Spielman now in all honesty, um, all full disclosure.
Rick Field is an unbelievable guy. Unbelievable guy. I think
he's adopted six kids, like I got to. This is
an I don't know if he'll own up to it
if Avera comes on radio, but he probably so. When
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I was at the other place, my radio studio I
shared with Colin, but if you remember Colin was in
the earlier times, we're Colin and Dan are now they're
flip flopped, so all want to do a show and
then the studio is empty. So then I got to
come in and I had like that studio kind of
all to myself. It's really nice and um, a couple
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of guys used to come and hang out and I
had these It was a brand new studio. I had
awesome TVs. We were closer to everything, but we were
kind of far away, so like ESPN News and Sports
Center couldn't come and grab guys. It was awesome. So
Terry Francona, Ri s Fielman, Tim Hasselback, Tim Legler periodically
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would come in and like, hey, can I just hang
with you? And we throw them on for a segment,
but really they hang out for a couple of hours
because they had a show to do that night or
that afternoon, and they didn't want anybody to find him
and they didn't like have an office or someone to
close their eyes, so they just sit and we talked
and Rick Rick told me something then this was before
he got the Vikings job that I think he proved
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to be true with this. In Gockway trade, people double
down the mistakes all the time because they want to
say we were right. No, no, no, no, you're all wrong.
We were right. Yanna Kenway was a bad fit for
their system, and they didn't want to pay him the
huge new contract. So yeah, they took a hit and
instead of you know, they lost the second rounder, they'll
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get a third rounder in return, and it probably sets
him back and it may wave a little bit of
the white flag, but that's better than resigning Yanniken Gotkway
simply because you want to prove that you were right.
Sometimes just admitting you were wrong is the hardest thing
as a guy, right like, yeah, I was wrong, shouldn't
have done that. And in the NFL, it's really hard
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in six weeks to go. You know what, There's nothing
wrong with Yannaken Gottway. He's just not the right fit
for us. We're not at that winning spot and he
fits with the Ravens do better and I will lose
a little bit like this is this happens when you
buy a house. You're like, I just I don't love
the house, Like all right, well you sell it. I'm
gonna lose money with the rail over FeAs like okay,
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or you keep being unhappy like which is it? So?
I think what Spielman did was I was brilliant. But
it speaks to his intelligence. His respectability is understanding of
your better off. Losing a little like a like a
one round of a draft pick, then you are wasting
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a lot, which is a lot of money on in Gokway.
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I saw this that the um. There's a controversy in
Texas over the song the Eyes of Texas. Now, the
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Eyes of Texas is the spirit song and the University
of Texas at Austin. It's set to the tune of
I've been working on the railroad, right, But here are
the words. The eyes of Texas are upon you all
the live long day. The eyes of Texas are upon you.
You cannot get go away. Do not think you can
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escape them. At night or early in the morn. The
eyes of Texas are upon you until Gabriel blows his horn. Okay,
so um they do the hook them and that's it.
But because because I've been working on the railroad, was
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an old hymn sung in the Old South by the
chain gangs. There are some in my business who wanted
done away with and during the cancel season of the summer,
there were people at the University of Texas that didn't
want the Eyes of Texas because they deemed it to
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be a racist of nature. Look, I don't know how
to break this to you. And Cristel Conte is a friend.
We talked a little bit about this, but not recently
he's come out and said, you know what, They've done
research and study and they they're going to continue with
the eyes of Texas. Um, you have to take so
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many steps to make that song racially insensitive in anyway, right,
Like if you want to say, if you want to say, hey,
you know pre Civil war Civil War war hymns are
not you know, generally, Okay, I've been working the railroad.
The truth is that many of the railroads, the trans
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Continental Railroad. I hate to be a historian, John Ramos,
who is the trans Continental Railroad built by Union Pacific?
And the who was doing the work? Who who is
doing Oh? Like the type of people that were doing work,
whether a Chinese immigrants who were treated terribly, we're treat terribly. Um.
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We have lost any sense of what racism actually looks
like that we want. It's like we want a default
that everything is about race. And I'll give you the
most recent example I saw on social media, which I
just I can't do it anymore. I can't let it
happen anymore without calling people out. Meyron Medcalf is a
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writer for ESPN dot com. He said one of the
biggest challenges in college basketball was too many white coaches
believe it's their duty to quote raise the black athletes
in their program. The assumption is that these players never
had a good role model and now must be molded.
It's the precursor for abuse. Myron Metcalf never played, never
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coached in basketball. The information that he get he he has,
or this tweet that he put out with this idea
that's in his head, comes from the Pat Chambers was
fired yesterday at Penn State after claims of racial in
sensitive remarks and abuse and an investigation which apparently the
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initial claims weren't proven to be racist in nature at all,
but there was something else that caused to his him
being Austin. Greg Marshall is probably gonna be fired. He's
the head coach which to state crazy successful at Winthrop,
then at which to state claims of abuse. So again,
I'm not in any way apologizing for whatever Pat Chambers did,
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which is not going to be released nor should it be,
or whatever Greg Marshall is accused of. And if it's
proven to be factually correct, if you put your hands
on a player, you're gone. And some of the remarks
which he is quoted as saying, we could do without
but the idea that white coaches think it's their job. Bro,
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do you have do you not know anything about sports
or life in general? Yeah, it's a white coat. Black
coaches do the exact same thing. Any coach who comes
into a young man's living room and sits down with
the mom, with the dad, with the cousin, with the
au coach at the high school, coach, with the mentor,
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with whomever. The first question the mom almost always asks,
you're gonna take care of my baby? Right? And if
the coach is wire the coaches black, their answer is
gonna be absolutely, I will be a father figure, I
will be a mentor. That's what the process demands, That's
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what the job demands. We we we say these things
which are just so incredibly far afield. I saw Dennis Dodds,
who I like you a great deal. He's any time
there's anything about an athlete like But that's why their employees.
Michigan's players are gonna stay on campus while the students
are at home because of COVID, because COVID concerns that.
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That's why they're employees. No, they're not. If they were
employees of the university. You know what's happened to most
employees at universities right now, being furloughed or fired. You
know it can't happen to scholarship athletes, even if they decide, hey,
I don't want to go to class, I don't want
to do anything. I'm scared of COVID, I don't want
to do it. Nothing. They had to keepers scholarship and
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oh yeah, by the way, student athletes are on campus
when students aren't on campus all the time before school starts,
when they have training camp, when when school goes away
for Thanksgiving break, they stay if they're playing in a game,
or playing a conference championship game, or they're playing in
a bowl game. This idea that their employees because they're
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on campus at a different time than other students is
so stupid. That's this this confirmation bias. Because two coaches
that are that that are claimed to be abusive happened
to be white, that doesn't mean it's racist or racial
and nature for a white coach to try and be
a father figure towards a black player when he comes
to play first school. All coaches should be father figures,
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should be mentors towards their kids, regardless of whether that
they have two parents in the home, three parents in
the home, two homes with with you know, step parents, whatever,
no parents, So doesn't matter. You're eighteen to twenty two
years old. You need a grown man to help give
you some guidance every now and again, to call you in,
to hold you accountable, to every once in a while,
have you over for dinner and say hey, man, how's
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it going, And and again, this is our Our problem
is not abusive coaches. Okay, believe it or not, it
is not. Because you have three hundred and fifty schools.
You got two right now, one who has fired for abuse,
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another one who I think he's gonna be fired. Things
really hard, I mean, makes a lot of money, has
been really successful. But some of the things he said,
if he laid his hands on the kid, he's gone.
And there's multiple reports that he did, he's gone. How
your percentages when you got two out of three fifty
and even if we say you know that there's probably
five or ten more that aren't being reported. Again, you know,
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in any job, in any boss, you're going to have
abusive bosses. It doesn't mean that the entire profession is
full of abusive people. It doesn't mean that every boss
is my boss is here great, And it definitely doesn't
mean that race plays a factor. We don't default to race.
If race is a factor. If there's racial things done,
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there's things done to a black athlete that aren't done
to a white athlete, well then let's have that discussion.
But when do we get to this point? And again,
the point is that the problem is not with the player,
it's with the media. Like, Myron, you're so out of
your league in this thing. Well, you know, I talked
to a coach, Like all right, then the coach the player.
If you saw abuse or abuse was claimed and somebody
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was using that like you're acting like like coaches who
helped parent their kids when they're away at school is
like a precursor for abuse. That's what you wrote. What
are you doing? How dare you say that? Yes, I'm
defending coaches because you know what, they don't get into
it for some glory and making tons of money. They
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just don't. They get it because they love ball, They
like kids, they like competing, and they like the college process.
They like being around young people who keeps some young.
They like the idea of getting in a gym and
then get in a film room working it out, playing
the road games, playing for the crowds, playing the n
s A tournament, playing for conference championships. That's how they
do it. And yeah, there's a select few guys. There's
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probably two hundred or so that make over a million dollars,
and there's probably fifty or so that makeover you know,
a million and a half two million dollars. And by
the way, again there's three D fifty Division one schools.
There's probably a thousand overall schools in Division one, Division two,
Division three and n A A. There plenty of coaches
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that aren't making money, bro, Just so you're aware, my
brother was has been an assistant coach for twenty five
years Cal Poly, Sacramento State, San Diego State, cal Berkeley,
organ State. Last a couple months ago he was called
an organ State and said, hey, you didn't do anything wrong,
but we're cutting twenty six people from the athletic department.
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He's currently now an assistant at Grand Canyon with the women. Well,
by the way, it's like they got a new coach's
from Drury. She's amazing. It's a job, and unlike players,
they can be fired or furload or let go during
tough times, and they pay taxes on it, and they
had to move their families. And that's not what players
go through and it's not a precursor for abuse. When
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you're kind, thoughtful coach that wants to help kids go
through it amazing transition or life from a boy to
a man, to be part of that process, think about
what you're suggesting. Here's the last thing if you want
to make the point to be a good one, that
there are two few Division one head coaches that are
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either black, Asian, Hispanic, UM, mixed race, whatever I would have,
I have no problem with that none. You got to
do a better job. UM. I would also point out
that that part of what will allow that to happen
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is again some of these coaches, some of these players
not transferring as much. When you don't transfer, when you
are four years at a program or even three years
out of program, you have a stronger tied to that program.
And when you're tied to those programs, when you understand
everything makes it up, you become tied to that community.
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You're tied to the community. You'll stay there as a
grad assistant, you'll get on as a d o b
Oh as a full time assistant and whatever. There are
other factors kind of at play there. But it should
also be pointed out that like, look, I you can
make the argument that there's not enough black coaches. That
doesn't mean a white coaches are racist or that white
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coaches are using their power for evil influence. That's unfair,
that's not true. There's no proof to it. And by
the way, it speaks poorly for how you do your job,
because if there's this type of intimidation and racism and
bullying at play, how can you haven't reported You didn't
break that story. Jeff Goodman did, so I'm not gonna
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sit here and bore you with but you know we
we we did this with Odell Beckham Jr. Like Odell
Beckham Jr. Is not We're not getting onto him because
he he he's black with flamboy like do Odell Beckham Jr.
Considering what he's accomplished since being he's way more popular
than he actually is accomplished. There are plenty of black
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players that are doing quite well. He's the only one
that got the video with a woman and what looked
like cocaine hotel room. He's the only one who had
the kicking at fiasco. He's the only one who the
goat shoes to Tom Brady when they lost to New
England last year. He's the only one who didn't show
up to O T A S and then couldn't get
on the same page with Baker Mayfield. He's the only
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one who called out the arm strength of Eli Manning
and now seems to have a problem with Baker Mayfield.
He's the only one who was who was doing the
thing with the kicking net. He's the you know, we
go on and on. What you have to be cautious
of is are we doing a good job? Like anybody's
like wholl racisms worse than ever, Like no, it's not
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stop it the Civil War, World War two, it's just you.
You feel it more because of social media, you feel
it more because of politics and the way it's discussed.
But the reality is we're much more involved than we're
giving ourselves credit for. Much more involved kids are coaches are.
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But the challenges for the media we need to be
more involved. The old c something, say something, say something,
and if not, maybe you're not saying anything because it
doesn't actually exist. Greg Marshall was a jerk. He was
fine to me. He was a jerk to my producer.
He did something when I was at CBS. He said
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he had one kind of snide remark, which you know,
kind of underlied. But he's a great coach. He would
have jerked to just the black people. It wasn't a
jerk because he was a father figure to his players.
He was jerked because he's really, really, really really good
and it went to his head. I thought I could
treat people like crap. The story oldest time Pat Chambers.
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I don't know what he did, but whatever claims of
abuse there are not because he was mentoring young people.
The second we make mentoring and fathering and helping be
kind of that that male role model to go to
at a college camp is a bad thing for college coaches.
Is when we've completely lost track of what a college
coach is supposed to do. That that's exactly what they're
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supposed to do, the coaching stuff, it's inconsequential in reality.
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Doug Otlive show Fox Sports trader Bruce Godkowski joins us.
A former NFL quarterback and a good one, and of
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course you read his work in Pro Football Focus. Um
stop me if you heard this before. But Odell Beckham Jr.
Is unhappy. Uh, he's he's tired of losing there four
and two? What what what do you do? You've been
and you've played in Cleveland, you've been their starting quarterback.
What do you do when you got a wide receiver
who you're four and two? And Javins didn't play well
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against a really good Steelers team and he's drawn attention
to himself. Yeah, I mean, look, yeah, I was. I
was in the locker room with Antonio Brown, you know,
when I was in Pittsburgh, and look, all good receivers
won the football. I think, I don't know if I've
ever met the receivers that's not selfish on the field
and wants to be involved in the game, you know.
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So I don't I don't get mad at that. But
you know, for the standpoint of where the Browns are
right now, they're competitive, They've they just got whooped to
a good Steelers team. Now how do you bounce back?
It's it's similar to the stuff going on in Dallas, right,
this stuff starts leaking outside the locker room, And to me,
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that's a loser's mentality. If there's issues inside the locker room,
you handle it inside the locker room, knowing you still
have a chance at the division, knowing you're you're still
going to compete, uh you know, to win games and
make a run at the playoffs. And for the Browns,
they're in good position. You know, it's frustrating. I get
what he's talking about about losing to good football teams,
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but it's also like, what are you gonna do about
it now? Though? You know, how do you prepare for
next week? How do you sharpen your routes? How do
you communicate better? How do you make sure him and
Baker are on the same page? You know? How do
you continue to better every day to make a push
for the division, to make a push to make the playoffs.
Because the Browns are closed, I mean they're close, and look,
I love O'Dell's competitiveness. He's an unbelievable uh talented wide receiver.
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Uh So, if they could keep this kind of in house,
continue to build and grow on on some of the
success they've had. I mean, they're a competitive football team. Yeah,
I feel like this is him because against the trade deadline,
this him trying to get traded, which is dumb because
they're not gonna. They're not gonna right well, you know,
I know, I mean, you just never know, you know,
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because you know, how is it in the locker room
and whatnot, and you could get frustrated at times. You know,
sometimes Baker Mayfield gets out progressions too fat. I can understand,
if you know, if I'm O b J and I'm watching,
uh make a Fitzpatrick's pick six, and I'm thinking, I'm
wide open on the slant on the outside and he
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tried to throw it inside and got take and went
to the house. And you're as players, you see that
on film, so of course you're curious of, man, my
quarterback make that decision. And when I see plays like that,
to me, you know, sometimes young quarterbacks they try to
see too much, do too much. You know, on that
play for instance, Uh, you see kind of the Steelers
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there in a too high show initially and then they
inverted the snap. You know, if I have any inclination
that I have my one on one to Jarvis slantry
who is the single receiver at the time up top
to the right. I'm taking my one on one so
I don't have to read anything else out now, say
you do still work the field like Baker Mayfield did.
Now with that invert down, now you just read it
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outside in you read the flat uh to the outside slant.
You don't even look at the inside slant. So it's
it's things like that. I just think the Browns are
at a point to that. Um. Kevin Stefanski has to
do a good job. I think he's doing a tremendous job,
but he kind of has to be like Kyle Shan
and he has to be like Sean McVeigh that they're
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taking stuff off the quarterback play, they're calling the right places,
they're put them in the right situation. There's a lot
of boots and play actions and miss directions and and
pure progression plays that eliminate decisions from the quarterback. Hey
just read it hide to low one, two three. And
if Baker Mayfield could do that um and have plays
like that, he'll be successful because when he's in rhythm
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and he knows where he's going with the ball, he
could be very accurate. Bruce Kraykowski join us on The
Doug Otlip Show on Fox Sports Radio. What about the
other side, how's Big Ben? Look? You know Big Ben?
To me, the thing I love is his stats aren't
just uh crazy or anything like that, yardage wise and touchdowns,
but man, he's just he's playing efficient, he's playing smart,
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and I feel like he just understands the team he
has around him. Uh Ben had a chance, you know,
unfortunately watching the whole season and um watching the nightmare
offensively last year for the Steelers, and he washed all
the turnovers. He watched the offense put the defense and
bad situations and put the team in bad situations. So
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now it's almost like he comes back and he's operating
the opposite way, you know, where he's being very efficient
with the football. I mean last week he tried to
force a few in there, but he has loving touchdowns
to one interception. I mean, that's good football by the
quarterback right there. And I think the Steelers last week
they tried doing too many r pos to start the game.
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And look, r p o s are great for some
quarterbacks that are comfortable with it, but it's not easy
making a decision post snap and not even making a
decision post nap, but you have to read a specific
defender post snap as you're faking a handoff or going
to hand the handoff, and then have to read a
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progression out. So um, that could be tough at times,
and the stewers got in a rhythm when they just
dropped back and passed. I mean, for Ben right now,
he's you know, doing a pretty good job for us
grading wise at PFF. You know, he just, um, I
just think that the thing that stands out. You know,
he's thirteenth with for us right now with his PFF
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passing grade at seventy six point one. I just think,
you know, it comes down to plane of fishing, and
that's what he's doing. He's being smart with the football
for the most part, uh and making good decisions. Yeah,
it's interesting. You know, Aaron Rodgers, they churched some of
that RPO stuff last year. What you don't realize is
these quarterbacks like Ben and Aaron, they didn't play they
didn't do this in high school. They didn't do it
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in college. Right, So it's not like you oh yeah yeah,
like with the younger quarterbacks, they've all played that way
at some point in time in the in their life,
like back when Big Ben only started one year in
high school. When he did, they were running power. I like,
you don't really you didn't realize how how old those
guys are. By By comparison, Doug got lipshell. You're on
Fox Sports Radio. Um, what went so wrong for Aaron
(42:55):
with They're up to nothing? Then he throws the pick
six and felt like he's kind of flung it out there. Um,
but he gives up two interceptions and then it just
it fell apart. What happened? Yeah, I mean, it's just
it wasn't It wasn't a good game, you know. I
think it must have been the end zone celebration right
when he scored to touch that. From there it kind
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of went downhill. But I just look at Rogers so
far on the year, seventeen big time throw so far.
So he's been playing out of his mind in that sense,
and only three turnover where he plays. The unfortunate thing,
the three turnover where he plays came last week against
Tampa Bay. You could tell he was just out of rhythm,
out of sorts. He didn't have that smooth, quiet confidence
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about himself in the pocket. He was holding it on
holding on the ball, attat too long where you know,
the previous weeks he made good decisions, getting the ball
of his hands, going through his progression, staying on um
task at him. And this week, you know, a forty
five point eight passing great for us, A three term
where he plays that that's not gonna win a lot
of games. Just thing though about Aaron Rodgers is going
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back to our PFF data, anytime he has graded under
a fifty PFF gray, he has exploded back on the scene.
So he's never followed up with a poor performance. So
I expect him to to get back into playing the
way he's been so far this year. I look at
you know, green Bay last week, their protection wasn't good,
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you know, upfront, offense line, too many leakages, uh, in
the protection, running back pick up pickups in the protection,
very soft, not attacking the defender, given too much ground up. Uh.
So last week just wasn't a good game for Green Bay.
And you know it's gonna be it. It's fortunate that
now they could bounce back and have something to learn from.
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Sometimes when you come off by you get a little sloppy. Yeah,
I mean that. And and last year. It happened when
they traveled to the West coast, they got a little
sloppy and they got kind of smacked around. Uh. Doug
Atli show here on Fox Sports Radio, Brush Gikowski our guest, Um,
what's your reaction to to being announced as the starter
so soon? Um? I was at I was a little surprised,
(45:07):
But then you know, and in the other side, I
was surprised for the fact that I love Fitzpatrick. I
think he's great in the locker room. I think he's
great in the huddle. He's had proven better and he
understands the offense. But I wasn't surprised in the sense
of when I was grading the throws Sunday and the Monday,
I kept looking. It was towards the end of the
game too, and I'm like, oh, why do you throw that? Oh?
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And and there was a few bad decisions. I was like,
come on, fits like that really stood out to me,
you know, because I was expecting, you know, perceptions reality, right,
the perception all the Dolphins one I was a good
game too, got his first few throws. All that's that's sweet,
that's cute. And then I kind of grade at Fitzpatrick
I was like, oh, no, he didn't plays as well
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as I thought. I mean, he had zero big time
throws for us in three turnover worthy plays. You know,
he was a third ranked quarter quarterback this past week, uh,
with a passing grade of fifty point six. So he
did not, you know, play very well. And I was
kind of surprised at the decision. But in the other sense,
look two is the future. Um. The Dolphins are playing
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competitive right now, so I think too of you know,
will do maybe a better job protecting the football. And
also he's more athletic to extend plays to his very
quick twitch that like, you know what, that's what I
like about him coming out of college. So I mean, man,
maybe this gives the Dolphins more of an opportunity with
him behind center. And you also know, look, he's the future,
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so why not just get him in there now, give
him some action, um, and live and die with him
behind center. So I don't hate the decision, you know,
it just always stinks because we love fits as the
person and what he's brunt of this game and his
competitive nature. Why were the Patriots so bad? Well, I
think you know, you look at the Patriots and I
know Belichick pointed it out. But when with all this
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COVID stuff, you're not getting a lot of field time
and in practice, and with Cam Newton, I mean it's
it's important. Like I was a practice guy. I needed practice.
I couldn't just show up like big bend in a
game and throw for three seventy six yards against the Browns. Uh.
The one game Ben went in as a backup to
Landry Jones, I'm sitting there like bending to get a
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single rep all week. He has a bad ankle or
whatever he had at the time, and Landry Jones gets
hurt in the first series of the game, Ben goes
in and rips the Browns for like three seventy seven
yards or something like that. It was ridiculous. And some
guys just need the practice and some guys are just
straight ballers no matter what. And I just think it's
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important that the Patriots do get back to practice, do
get back to the details, because that's how they have
to win. They don't have guys that are just gonna
take over games. Uh. They have to win by a
good team effort offensively, defensively, and special teams. And I
just think right now that Patriots offense isn't doing much.
Not a lot of guys winning outside and you know,
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or if they do win, Cam if he's got to
make the throws, or it's just Cam you know, sprinkling
some some of his runs, but that's just not gonna
get it done. So I expect the vast improvement this
week because of the way Bill Belichick coaches and Josh McDaniels.
So I'm looking forward to watching them play, but I
still don't think. I don't think they'll pull it out
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against the Niners. It's almost like Kyle Shanahan is a
younger version of Bill Belichick, but the offensive minded Bill Belichick.
So it's always fun to watch these two two teams
go at it. I'm gonna see Daniel Jones tonight. He
is a turnover guy. I mean, I um is everything
else he's doing good enough to wait for him to
fix his turnover issue. You know, well you pointing it
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out sometimes in the pocket Daniel Jones doesn't protect the
ball that well. He can drift back at times, and
that you know, is not good for his offensive line.
And I look, you know Wednesday and Daniel Jones. It's
the tale of two halves for these guys in the
sense of we're six weeks done in the season. The
first three weeks, Wentz was awful, right, I mean right
now he has a total of sevent team turnover turnover
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worth he plays for US the PFF. Twelve of those
came in the first three weeks, but these last three
weeks he cut them in half. He only has five
turn o worthy plays in the same time. Same thing
with his big time throws. These last three weeks he
has doubled his big time throws. So Wentz is on
the uprise. Well, Daniel Jones actually is the opposite. Jones
started off the season the first few weeks grading really
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good number six eighty nine grade for US in rhythm
um and now in rhythm he grades the twenty three
for US the last three weeks. So these two guys
are different spectrums right now. I feel like the Eagles
and Wins are a little on an uprise and Jones
and the Giants are kind of even though they're coming
off their first win. I think Jason Garrett has to
do more offensively to help him out put his young
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quarterback in group positions. Uh. The stuff you see with
McVeigh the Bunch formations that the jett sweeps the misdirections
and things of that sort. And you know a guy
like both these quarterbacks though, because of how competitive they are. Um,
so it'll be a fun game to watch. Great stuff, Bruce, Bruce,
love your work at Pro Football Focus. Tell everybody we
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