Doug admits he was wrong about Lamar Jackson

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Duck Hodges named quarterback name quarterback of the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Of course, his name is actually Devlin Hodges, but everybody
calls him Duck because he wanted Duck calling championship back
in the day. That's that's just that story gets better
every single day. Um, I'll admit it, he's gonna win it,

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and I'm not sure it's gonna be all that close.
It doesn't actually mean that he's the best quarterback. But
in terms of value, I find it really hard to
find anybody who's provided more value and energy and attention
in a positive sense than what Lamar Jackson has done
to the Baltimore Ravens. Five touchdown passes last night. They

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ran it, they threw it. They completely and totally obliterated
the L A. Rams, obliterated the L A Rams. He
can you continues to say and do all the right things.
Asked about the m v P after the game, and
he said, I'm just trying to win a super Bowl.
There's the clip of John Harbaugh talking about how you're

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going to change the position, and he said, I just
want my team to win. It's possible he's Mike Vick
with work ethic. It's possible he's Mike Vick without hangers
on who bring him down. It's possible that he's a faster,
better version though smaller than Cam Newton, but I would

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warn you we have seen this before. Both Cam and
Mike Vick were m v p s in the NFL.
Their speed, their explosiveness, their style. Mike Vick was an
m VP my bad. Cam Newton was the MVP the league.

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All right. Cam Newton was the most Valuable player in
the National Football League. And this is just going back
four years ago. Here's the eerie similarities. Eerie similarities. Two
thousand fifteen, the Carolina Panthers were second in rush yards,
first in rushing. The two thousand nineteen Ravens first in

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rush yards and touchdowns. The two thousand nineteen Panthers are
first in points per game. The two thousand fifteen Panthers
first in points per game. The two thousand nineteen Ravens
second red zone offense, two thousand fifteen Panthers second red
zone offense. The Ravens were nineteenth or nineteenth in passing.

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The Panthers were twenty four in passing. Now, Lamar Jackson
has completed a higher percentage of his balls fifty nine,
but both throwing about eight yards per tempt. Lamar's t
d s five interceptions in the m v P year
Cam Newton thirty five and ten Cam Newton ten rushing
te ds that year. Lamar Jackson on pace for that

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was six already Lamar Jackson averaging twenty seven past attempts
per game, Cam Newton thirty during the two thousand fifteen campaign,
eleven rush attempts per game for Lamar Jackson, eight rush
attempts per game for Cam Newton. The numbers weren't stunning,
right one sixty nine five touchdowns yards rushing. That's because

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the defense just completely choked off any hope for the
l A Rams. And that's because the defense is fifth
in points per game, fifth and interceptions tied from fourth,
and turnover margin and fifth, lowest time per drive. You
wanna know something interesting, the two thousand fifteen Panthers six

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and points per game first, interceptions first, and turnover margin first,
and lowest UH time per drive in the National Football League.
In other words, their teams built on kicking game, defense,
running the foot ball, and their quarterback is playing at
an exceptionally high level. In addition to the fact that

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the defense and special teams is putting them in prime
position and the running game is leaving it so that
they're not doing second, and third and long. We have
seen this before. And though I made a mistake, Mike
Vick wasn't m v P. We've seen him dominate the
league before. We've seen Vince Young, We've seen Teim, Tim Tebow,
We've seen Deshaun Watson before he tours. We've seen r

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G three in a similar type of offense. Now, I
want to point this out, Okay, I don't think he
has the off the field flaws of Mike Vick and
Mike Vick. He has said this many times over, so
I'm not making this up. He has said I didn't
work at it, and Lamar clearly has worked at it.

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Lamar's what Mike Vick probably could have been, and maybe
even better. Right and Cam Newton. Cam Newton, of course,
though he worked at it all right, Cam Newton's also
somebody who was injury prone. And to this point, Lamar

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Jackson hasn't been hurt. That that's the big question is
when people start to figure it out, the big question
is will he get hit? Will he get hurt? And
over a fifteen and twenty games stretch so far, he's
been dynamic. Now to the Baltimore Ravens fans who think
we all missed it. I'll only point out you bowed
him off the field last year during the playoff game

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they lost to the Chargers. We didn't, you did. I
would say the guy who should be the most bent
out of shape, the guy who should be most upset,
is Colin Kaepernick today, because that could have been him.
The Ravens wanted to sign him, wanted to talk to him.
His girlfriend sent out a meme which, like in the

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owner of the Ravens to the slave owner in Django, unchained.
The offensive coordinaer then, is the same offensive coordinaer now,
Greg Roman, who was his offensive coordineer with the Rams.
With it, what's given me with the Niners. By the way,
we've seen this before then, and remember people caught up
to it and Kaepernick got hurt. Vince Young was brought

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down by his own lack of work ethic, the off
the field issues. Mike Vick was brought down by lack
of work ethic, off the field issues, inaccuracy as a quarterback,
Cam Newton injuries and inaccuracy. So we've seen this before.
The only difference today is I'll admit that guy's taken

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the league by storm, and I have no. If this
is a one hit wonder and this is the only
year which he wins an m v P, I still
don't think any less of him. This is what I
think of one hit wonders in music. At least they
had one hit. That's one more hit than of the
bands and musicians out there. But we have been waiting

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for thirty years, and really the last fifteen years where
this type of offense, kind of a combination of zone read,
triple option and quarterbacks that can run and throw would
make it and stick in the NFL. Guys have made
it before, they have been unable to stick for a
myriad of reasons. This may be the best chance because

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this is arguably the best franchise and the most cohesive franchise.
And when the Niners had it, when the ninth one,
they didn't fully commit to this style. They tried to
make Kaepernick into more of a true pocket passer, and
there was Trent Balky and Jim Harball and they couldn't
get along. You have John Hardball, Greg Roman, a new

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general manager, and everyone seems to be pulling in the
right direction, along with the defense, which is fully committed
to a quarterback who is fully committed to not being
a superstar, not being as Cam Newton would point out,
some sort of fashionista, an icon or. Cam Newton said
he wanted to be bigger than football. Lamar Jackson's never
said any of that. He just wants to win and
be a part of a great team. But we've seen

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it before with Cam and injuries ultimately brought him down.
I would point out, in addition to the function in
the between the front office and coaching staff and his
own his own inability to relate to teammates, right, the
real reason Klin Kaepernick, remember what bench was he wasn't
playing well, he was injured, and he couldn't relate to teammates.
That's not this dude. This guy is one that's beloved

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by his teammates. It's the best possible chance of it working,
and it's absolutely working right now. Long term, we'll see,
we'll see. It's really hard to last in this league
because generally you don't get faster everyone else does. But

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I will admit when I'm wrong. And though I could
point out that, I mean, what are the Seahawks without
Russell Wilson, right, I actually think the Ravens are a
hell of a football team, good defense, good running game,
good special teams, well coached. You know, do I think
they have they're the best or second best team in

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the NFL without Lamar Jackson. I do not, but it's
still a good team. I'm not sure the Seahawks are
particularly good team without Russell Wilson. I'm not sure that
the Packers without I mean, we've seen the Packers in
the past without Aaron Rodgers. Need I say more so
if we're trying to establish true value. But over the
past four games against four teams with winning records, they've

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won by a hundred and four combined points. They're kicking
everybody's ass and taking names. And he's the biggest reason why.
And so I'll admit when I'm wrong. Didn't think he
was gonna be the m v P going back couple
weeks ago. Now I do. And is it fair to
question the longevity of the success? Absolutely? Why, because we

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use history as our guide. But man, however long this
lasts pretty fun to watch it. I mean unless you're
a Rams fan. That was not fun. If you're a
Rams fan, not fun because they just went down there,
down fourteen nothing. You look up, You're like, wait, it's

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fourteen and nothing. And the key to beating them is
to making them play from behind, making them play behind
the chains. And the Rams could do nothing. Felt completely
and totally feeble. Speaking of the Rams, what made the
Rams great? They neglected it and now it's their downfall.
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of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three p m.
Easter noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I
Heart Radio whap If. The Ravens are interesting now because
the first time they won the Super Bowl, it was
cap Hell, which ultimately brought them down. Right, cap Hell
ultimately brought them down. They had to pick and choose

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who they wanted to keep, and they had to jettison others.
And we're talking about the Rams and the Ravens last night.
This is going back to two thousand when the when
the Ravens had arguably next to the you know, the
Bears are the two best defenses we've ever seen, right,
and so it was it really was cap Hell that

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brought them down. And um, what's fascinating about the Rams?
What makes you great? You know, maybe here's even better comparison.
There was a time when NASCAR and the NHL were
on fire. Do you remember that NASCAR was on fire

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and they expanded and they have the race in California,
which is really like It's Fontana, Okay, which is you know,
Fontana's inland. People think of l A. It's not anywhere
near Hollywood. It's Hollywood types would come out. But they expanded,
you know, and they're in Phoenix and there and there

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and there and there, and this what happened to the NHL.
They went to Atlanta, they went to Phoenix. When Great
Ski went to l A. They took the Minnesota North
Stars and put them in Dallas and then became the
Dallas Stars. Do you guys remember this? This is like
nineties into early two thou nineties. Those sports were on fire.
The NFL was not. The NFL actually left Los Angeles.

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Two different teams left. What's the core of what makes
the NHL great. They have an unbelievably fervent fan base
in New York, Boston, in Philly, Detroit, and in Canada. Right,
that's the core of who they are. In NASCAR, the

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core of who they are is the South parts of
the Midwest. But in the South it literally started like
Daytona literally started them racing on the beach with like
bootleg cars that were just put together, like that's how
it started. Races like Talladega, races like Bristol Motor Speedway

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under the lights. And what happened was they got away
from the core of what made them special. And we
all do this in all sports and all businesses. Because
you want to expand have a more diverse portfolio, you
get tapped out in terms of how much money you
can make from that certain market. Right the NFL now

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obviously is trying to play in London, They're trying they
want play in China, they want to play in Mexico.
Why we're kind of tapped out here, But you gotta
you gotta remain true to your core fans. I'd the
NFL found this out, started having too many windows and
too many games like yeah, waters down the product having
the Rams. What made the Rams great, awesome offensive line,

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great running game. Jared Goff was much more comfortable using
play action, and they had been developed over and kind
of like honestly kind of like the Niners where they
were always held back by quarterback play and maybe coaching.
But you draft that high in the draft you do

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pretty well, and you draft in the interior lineman for
enough time, you're gonna build up a really really good
set of talent. And the Rams were always a quarterback
away and an offensive mind. Way last year they had
the offensive mind, which helped developed the quarterback and they
went to a Super Bowl. Then they let Roger Saffold
walk in free agency. He's with the Titans. They let

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John Sullivan walking free agency is still a free agency.
They think he's washed. Andrew Whitworth considered retirement and he's
been playing like a guy who probably should have retired.
Really good player, had some left when he left Cincinnati,
and now he's kind of done. And they replaced him
with rookies that they drafted right because they couldn't afford

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to go and get legit dudes or to keep legit dudes.
So now they can't run the ball. They get the
lowest graded offensive one lowest grade offensive line in the NFL.
And Jared Goff, because you can't play action, has suffered
because of it. In November, five interceptions, no touchdowns. He
doesn't look comfortable. And of course they overinvested in Jared Goff,

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which look if you think you have a franchise quarterback,
and you can get him at thirty million dollars a year.
You get cost certainty, you don't have to worry about it.
Most GM's like, yeah, I'll take it. It's fine. But
between getting arguably the best defensive lineman in football, overpaying
for a wide receiver, overpaying for running back, were playing
for a quarterback. You put so many of your resources

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in those four baskets that there's not enough left spread around.
And they got away from their core business, which was
running the football, playing behind a monstrous offensive line. Play
action was the benefit of it. Rams were great. Now

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they're not because they got away from their core. That
happened to the NHL, right, and what the NHL do.
Atlanta went away, they went back. Now they're back in Winnipeg.
You know, they spend more time paying more attention to
their core audience. Remember they had the long lockout and

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they changed the salary structure or whatever. You know what.
Though long term growth though, it doesn't spike like the
NBA contracts, and he tells a very very healthy business.
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Here's the thing about Jalen Ramsey. Okay, when the Jacksonville

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Jaguars were good a couple of years ago, remember that year?
Remember that, you guys, remember that that was good times?
Good time was a blip on the radar. Okay, Um,
what happened with Jalen Ramsey the following year? Do you remember? Buyer? Um,
I don't know what you're getting appen? Well, Jalen Ramsey

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has a reputation of what's called a front runner. Okay,
a front runner is a fan is somebody who only
sports a man. The quarterback critique, right, there was the
quarterback critique. There was the video of him just giving up,
not playing hard. Right, He has the reputation of being
a front runner, a guy. When things are going good,

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he's good. When things are going bad, he's not. And then,
of course what happened last night. Marcus Peters, who has
his own level of psychosis, talk some trash to him,
and Jalen Ramsey has to be kind of helped off
the field because he wants to fight everybody because the
Rams are going nowhere fast. And Marcus Peters only pointed

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that out right, like dude, he's a what if you
want to say the childhood thing is he's a bad loser,
or the professional thing is he's a front Runner, whatever
you wanted, Like, this is the most predictable development and
the Jail and Ramsey story because if you watched him
in Jacksonville last year when things went poorly, he quit,

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he quit and they felt better. Remember they won when
he didn't play. This year, he was on the Jaguars
and he he had a kid, and they made all
kind of excuses. Just getting that negativity out of their
building ended up helping them out front Runner. That's the

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that's the the sports version of front Runner is different
than the fan version of front Runner. Yes, Ryan Music,
do you think the way this is played out it's
going to affect in any way teams who would be
willing to sign him and pay him big money, because
obviously that's sort of what had happened in Jacksonville was
he didn't really want to be a part of the

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quote unquote losing organization anymore, but also it was part
of they couldn't really agree on contract terms. Do you
think other teams think that that's something that they could
ultimately fix as long as they're winning. Yeah, Uh do
I do? I think they can fix it. No, I
think this is who he is. The reason they couldn't
come to terms and contract is because this is who

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he is. Because a pros pro plays hard no matter what,
no matter what. I mean, this is the most predictable
part of Jayla Ramsey. What oh what? He's throwing a
fit when things go bad. Yeah, that's what he did
in Jacksonville. Why would it change just because the uniform
changes when he has no real affinity for the l
A rams He has no relationship there, no long term
He wasn't in camp with them, He doesn't have any

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sweat equity with them. Of course, he's acting like a
like a boiled child. Chris Sam's joins us in the
Doug Gottlieb Show, Chris I admitted I was wrong with Lard.
Jackson is likely to be the m v P. UM.
I know they have the Niners coming up. I know
they still have some difficult games on their schedule. Um.
I don't think he's the best quarterback in the NFL,

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and I am concerned still longevity wise, but I mean, yeah,
it's hard to argue with what we're seeing right now. Yeah,
I just saw a stat that just popped up. I
don't know if you saw this one. This is a
really good one. The the Baltimore Ravens have punted twice
in their last three games, and Robert Griffin was the
quarterback on both of those drives. That's that's insane. That's insane. Well,

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you know to two things you said, you know, is
he the best quarterback? Okay? You know, well we have
to kind of break our standard first off, of what
a quarterback is to a degree. I mean, he's different there,
you know. I think the big thing is m v
PU wise would be a course most able player. And
they have said an offense in a system that is

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unlike any other in football, and they're they're able to
do that because of the capabilities that Lamar Jackson brings
to the table. So is he the traditional quarterback that
we know of is Rogers and Brady and Dan Marino
and all those type. No, he's not. But we do
got to give the Baltimore Ravens a lot of credit
for the vision in which they saw here and the

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vision of this offense altogether. And I would say as
far as if you took one player who's the most
important to their team and and making it go. It
is Lamar Jackson, not only the offense, but I think
he exudes confidence and exuberance across the board, just the
way you see the swagger they have on the defensive
side of the ball. Man John hardball has changed. He's

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having dialogue with him on the sidelines, telling him he
appreciates him. He's certainly a weapon at that and a
weapon that we haven't seen, uh really since Michael Vick,
and I would say he's even a more a sected
weapon than Michael Vick ever was, because they kind of
tried to put a square peg into a round hole
with Michael Vick. Hey you're Michael Vick, but yeah, we'd

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like you to play quarterback like Tom Brady and Paid Manning. No.
Baltimore said, Okay, the hell would that. You know, Let's
set up a system and a and a bunch of
guys around him that is creative, different than what the
NFL seene and that's allowed him to succeed and really
show what he's got long term wise. I get your a.
I get your question there too, but what we are

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seeing is he's getting better throwing the ball from last
year to this year, and weekly as we go on,
it just becomes more and more impressive to where, hey,
you're seven eight of his career. I bet you he's
a really effective thrower and pass her and decision maker
and certainly not going to be the runner he is
right now, but still we'll be able to beat people,
uh with The encouraging thing is Doug he wants to

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stay in the pocket and throw. I think that's the
thing I really like about his game. He is not
looking to run. He only runs when nothing's open, and
then he tucks it away and then of course they
have the design run game around him. Um, all right,
what about the rams Um? How much of it is
girl is not the same. How much of it is Goff?

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How much of it is the offensive line? Well, the
offensive line to an issue. McVeigh has to reinvent himself
on the offensive side of the ball. You can't do
the you know, you know the old saying in the NFL.
If you're staying the same, you're getting worse. You can't
just go, oh, well this worked the last two years
and we're gonna stay with it. You know, that's an issue. Hey,
Jared Goff, he's a fine quarterback. But this is something

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I've argued since and to be blue in the face
the last two years. He's not the type of guy
that's gonna carry an offense and and you know, just
get on my back, guys when things aren't going good. No,
he doesn't have that type of talent. You keep hogging
them and when the system doesn't work, he's not that impressive.
So there, and then the girly aspect, and then last

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night's just a horrible matchup for them, Doug. They're a
smaller type team. I mean their defensive tackles. Aaron Donald,
he's two during eight pounds. You know, you pull up
the roster of the Ravens and you just go, wow,
it's it's three forty, it's three thirty, it's three twenty.
They're one of the biggest teams of football. They to
me are a bar fight team. You know, this is
an important thing to me in evaluating football. When I

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say a bar fight team, I'm saying this. If we
fight breaks out between all thirty two teams in football,
the Ravens are gonna be in the final four. Hey,
let's go in the back alley and fight it out.
It's gonna be the Ravens, the forty Niners, the Saints,
the Patriots. It's gonna be those type of teams. Gottlib
show here on Fox Sports Trader. That's the voice of
Chris Simms. Um, All right, uh what what what issues

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do you have with the play calling and the coaching
of the Dallas Cowboys. Oh well, I got a lot
of issues. You know. I haven't had issues with the
play calling really all year until just this past game.
You know again, you know, let's take a note from
me the notebook of Bill Belichick in the New England Pages.
First of all, they just play every game to win

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that game. They don't care what it looks like. Oh
it's Super Bowl against the Rams. Oh it's the worst,
most boring super Bowl we've ever seen. We don't care.
We think the best way to win this game the
defensive battle and pretty throw a few throws at the
animal win. That's all that matters is winning the freaking game.
And Dallas just decided to play like, Oh, we're Dallas,

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and this is what we've done all year, and this
is what we're gonna do. Well, it was a monsoon
and it's thirty mile per hour wins. And if there's
a weakness to the New England Patriots, it's they don't
have a lot of big defensive linemen. This year they
got a lot of dbs and a lot of linebackers,
and that's why the Ravens gave them a tough time.
And that's why the Ravens are a tough matchup. The

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Dallas Cowboys have franchise offensive linemen. It's a hundred million
dollar offensive line, it's a hundred million dollar running back.
How many third and two's and third and threes that
I have to watch in the game where there was
one defensive linement in the game, too defensive linement in
the game and a dropped back to throw it right
into the hands of the New England Patriots. So that

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was one of my big issues of the game. Doug
about in the second quarter they had a third and four,
there was one d lineman on the field. You know
what they did. They ran the ball. Guess what happened.
They got a first down, you know it. So to me,
the process there was flawed. They played right into the
New England Patriots hands and then come on kicking the
field goals at the end of the game. To go

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thirteen nine. Hey, that was great for the spread. Yeah,
all the people who bet on Dallas, but that meant
nothing to the game. What did that do? You still
have to score a touchdown. So those are my issues.
I understand Jerry jones frustration because Dallas walks on the
field against every team this year, and they're the more
talented team on the field and they're barely winning five
more than of those games. They have said they will

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not make a coaching change during this season. Is that
a mistake? Uh No, I don't think it's a mistake.
I think you gotta hang in there with what you
got right now. I do. They're still leading the NFC
East and you just got it right now. If you're
Jerry Jones, hope that maybe he can get into the
ear of Jason Garrett. You hope that the Cowboys coaching
staff can re evaluate their plan of attack a little

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bit and maybe get hot, because again, the Cowboys are
one of those teams where I talk about a bar fight.
You know they should be in that conversation to top four.
I mean, hey, when you go to New England Patriots
versus Dallas Cowboys, if we just go through that, you know,
unit by unit, offensive line, Cowboys got the advantage running back.
Cowboys got the advantage quarterback. Right now, at this page

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stage of his career, I'm gonna give the slight edge
to Deck Dak Prescott defensive line. Cowboys win linebackers. It's
close if you want to give the Patriots the okay,
but it's really slim marginal secondary. Yeah, the Patriots win,
but it's not like the Cowboys got slapches over there either.
So you know, I understand his frustrations, but I would

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stick with it and just hope they can get hot
and make a run in the playoffs. But I don't
think Jason Garrett says his job, Doug, unless they get
to the end, just hang up at himself. I felt
like he hung up in himself. I'm here, all right,
you got so excited, so worked up, you hung up
on yourself. I'm on a land line. But I mean,
apparently that this and this is how this how old?
I am right? You're not as old as me? Is

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that you? When we started doing radio. When I started
doing radio, it used to be, well, don't don't have
a guest, let's he call from the land line. Now
landlines are way worse than cell phones. Can we just
get that? I just want a damn phone that connects
to the wall, and I don't give a damn if
it's a turn dial one eight is a hundred. It's annoying.
Where did I leave off with there? I don't even remember.

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All right, Well, either way, I had problems with Like
I said, the Cowboys are with the more talented team,
and they're gonna have to get to the NFC Championship game.
I think ultimately for Jason garretton almost save his job.
I mean, like, look, the division is not very good.
Let me ask. People are coming out of the woodwork
saying Carson Wentz h is regressing, Um, what what's what's
your When you look at the tape? What do you

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see from Carson Wentz? Yeah, well he has not played
oh as a late there's no denying that. But I
don't look at the Eagles and go, oh, this is
Carson Wentz and that's his issue. First Off, they don't
run the ball. Okay, they're not a good running team
as far as like, they just can't dominate the line
of scrimmage the way they did the year they went
to the Super Bowl. Doug Peterson. I would throw him

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in the category a little bit like Sean McVeigh, like,
the offense has to expand a little bit. And then ultimately,
I mean, who's going to back you off? In Philadelphia?
How many times can Carson Wentz just jam it in
there for six yards? Does zach Ertz? Like you know
you watch the games? Every throw he throws, the guy
is tightly covered, and if he doesn't put it right

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underneath his chin, nothing happens. They got a bunch of
receivers out there that I think you and I could
challenge them in the forty so there's nothing there to
scare a defense or back them off. And then you
talk about lack of a run game and you know
another offense that I think again has to expand or
reinvent itself to a degree. Uh. And I think all
those are issues if I was gonna complain about Carson Wentz. Really,

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my biggest issue with him at times is he just
stands in the pocket too long, Get out, make up play.
If you're sitting there for four seconds and have patted
the ball five times by now, hey, nothing's gonna happen,
big boy. They're not gonna separate. So it's on you.
You gotta get out. You can't be so fearless in
the pocket all the time, and that would be my
biggest issue. But the support system around him is average

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at best. I'm being kind by saying average right now.
As far as the skill position guys, Chris Sim's joining
us in the Doug Otlips Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Um,
I could go on and on about the Niners, but
I want to ask you about the Packers. How many
of the how much of their issues are fixable? Well,
I don't know if a whole lot of them are fixable.
You know that they You've heard me say, I think

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a few times during the year. Their interior part of
their defensive line is a huge issue. And that's really
what causes their defense to be flawed because Mike Pedton
has to play almost five down fronts to slow down
the run. He can't depend on the front four to
do it. So therefore there's five guys always on the
line of scrimmage. It's compromised them a little bit in
the back end as far as coverage wise, because they're

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scared of getting gash like a team by the forty
every time the Green Bay Packers put four dan lineman
on the field, Kyle Shanahan ran the ball and they
would just run up the middle for eight and ten yards.
So there's those issues. You know, hey, they're running the
ball better this year, but it's still not like I
look at it and go, oh gosh, this is like
the forty Niners or you know, the Ravens or you

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know the Saints running the football where they can blow
you off the ball. No. Uh, and then I would
you know, the last thing I would say about them is, again,
you know, other than Davante Adams, who's not a game
breaker by any stretch of the imagination. He is a
really good receiver, but not the type of talent where
a team goes, oh gosh, if we don't double Davante
Adams were in deep trouble. You know, a lot still

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is on number twelve to make magic happened. And you know,
if you go back through the season, Doug and just
kind of look at their schedule and some of the
things that have gone on. I mean I could sit
here and go, you know, oh, okay, the Carolina Panthers
game before San Francisco, Carolina outplayed them, could have won
the game, they kind of screwed it up, fumbled a
snap through an interception in the end zone. Chargers dominate them. Chiefs.

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The Chiefs probably one more plays than the Green Bay Packers.
It it is Aaron Rodgers made great plays that night.
Oakland Raiders. They never stopped the Raiders offense the whole game.
Derek Carr fumbled diving in. Josh Jacobs fumbled on the
one yard line. Derek Carr through an interception of the
end zone. So they've had issues, but they have found
ways to win. And twelve can make magic at times,

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but he can't overcome great teams like the forty Niners.
And I just think ultimately, you know, they're a playoff
team that's one and done, or maybe gets you one
win and gets to the divisional round and loses to
one of the big boys in the NFC. I'm happy Thanksgiving.
Any doing a great job this year. You're having a
great season yourself. Thanks for joining us. Hey, thanks man,
Sorry about the phone. I'm sorry about that happens due Chris.

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(34:16):
Time side on the Doug Gottlieb Show. Dan BYO, what's
the game today? Doug? The game today is all right.
These are meant to be softballs. They're just apropos for
what's going on right now. Doug ranked the top three
NFL MVP candidates right now. Lamar Jackson one, Russell Wilson

(34:39):
to Michael Thomas of the New Orleans Saints is on
pace for like a hund catches at number three. Alright,
Dou ranked the three best teams in the NFL right now.
I'll do Pats at three, Niners at two, Ravens at one. Oh. Interesting.
I'm surprised the Saints did not make that list. But

(35:00):
the Curious A Mission, I'm sure. But hey, somebody's got
to be left out of the party. Uh. Tonight the
college football playoff rankings will be released. I think we
know who won. Two and three are going to be
and probably number four, But I want to know your
mind Doug, who should four, five, six, and seven b
in the rankings? It's a good question. Uh, I put

(35:21):
George at four. I would put Michigan at five. I
would put Bama at six. I would put Ou at seven.
Mm hmmm. I would not put Utah who have they
actually beaten? And I will grant you when you have
you start running back. You're undefeated this year. I would
not put Baylor, and I would not put in Minnesota

(35:43):
where I do think it's interesting that that Michigan Penn
State game where we were I don't know, wasn't maybe
considered a playoff possibility. But that could be what keeps
Michigan from a college football playoff if they can knock
off the Buckeyes this Saturday. Uh, Doug, rank your NBA
mv EP rankings one month into the season. Uh, Mine

(36:04):
would be different than everybody else's, right, But I do
put I put Lebron one. I'll put Luca don Check
at two. Three is where it gets really difficult. You know,
what do you do with James Harden. He's just tearing
up the league. On the other hand, the Bucks do
have the best record. They've won eight in a row.

(36:26):
Why am I am I supposed to hold it against
your honest that he was the m v P last year.
I don't think so. I put your honest at three.
All right, Doug and Thursdays Thanksgiving Day rank in order
the first three items you will put on your plates
for Thanksgiving dressing that stuffing, dressing, dressing, um and uh

(36:52):
third thing, huh mac and cheese and cheese. I'm going
I'll be in the South, so you know some South
in your mouth, and right, I mean I'll be in Oklahoma,
so they'll be several different kinds of turkey. But anyway,
that's that's game time. This is game time on the

(37:15):
Duck Gottli Show, What about you buy? What's your top three?
Big turkey? Guy? White or dark? I usually go white,
but I am fine with dark. But I usually go
white meat. Then mashed potatoes. And for me, I'll have
a good dinner roll on Thanksgiving dinner music. What about you? Yeah,

(37:35):
I'm gonna go turkey, mashed potatoes and uh white dark meat,
dark meat, no turkey mash taos and who else? What else?
Mac and cheese. You just threw that they don't have
mac and cheese at your house. There's no way you're
in the valley, not not happening, so phony. UM. I

(37:56):
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(38:16):
What Up Doug Gottlieb Show Fox Sports Radio. A lot
of stuff to get to. Uh. I gave my buddy
Yale in Michigan State. I'm sorry I didn't give it
to you guys. I will find some college lines college
hoops all over the networks. UM, here's what I want
to do, okay. I I really didn't like what Jerry

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Jones said after Sunday's loss to the Cowboys, and I
he not only backtracked, but I think contextualize things today.
Let me first, this is Jerry Jones after the game
on Sunday. I don't think there's a game that a
coaching staff has areas that it wouldn't couldn't do better.
And I just don't I get that we've got so

(39:01):
many as I'm standing here to night. So the pointy
is that I'm just really frustrated with I thought we
could come up here and really, uh put together a
better effort on all three phases. Um, I expect us
to play well. I gainst him defensively, so we got
what I think we should have expected out of our defense,

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and but the other phases of the game, we we've
got them. Uh, we can't come up here and play
by fat other phase of the game. Now. Look, their
special teams have been a disaster all season long. That
obviously up and bit them. Um, he wasn't wrong for
what he wasn't wrong for what he said. It wasn't
wrong for what he said, but the time and the

(39:45):
places is wrong. You lose the game. And Jerry Jones says,
he's a football guy, and football guys have to know
that there are times in which, in any team sport,
but specifically football, you don't say boo about coaches, players, whatever,
And having your own postgame press conference does just that.

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Wrong at wrong time, wrong place. So Jerry didn't backtrack,
but he did kind of contextualize anybody who thinks that
that his head coaches on his way out now, take
a listen to him earlier today. The answer is no period.
But you know, I sit there and watch games. I
watched games, and I look at, uh, every aspect of it,

(40:30):
since I put the coaches out there, since I put
the players out there at the end of the day
with a lot of help and with a collaborative effort.
But at the end of the day, the buck stops
with me, and I am highly critical and I'm continually
evaluating the performance of everybody involved with the game. Yeah,

(40:51):
so he's saying, like, look, I'm just telling you he's
gonna be gone at the end of the year if
things don't change. The crazy thing is, we are no
results based Like I've heard people Chris Sims came on that, hey,
unless they get to the NFC Championship game, unless they
get to the Super Bowl, unless they do this unless
like wait wait wait, wait wait wait. I thought Jason

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Garrett did a hell of a job a couple of
years ago when Dez Bryant appeared to catch to catch
the football right, didn't catch it. It wasn't rule to catch.
But remember they survived the Detroit Lions in the first
round of the playoffs. Could have beaten the Green Bay
Packers on the road. That was a fourth down throw.
They didn't. I just don't think you can be results oriented.

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I think the Cowboys will be. It will be a hey,
if we don't get we don't win a playoff game,
he's out. They win two playoff games, he's definitely gonna
stay one enough. What's amazing, though, is with every postgame comment,
and some of it it's confirmation bias, some of it

(41:57):
is the reality of what he's doing. With every post
game comment, people who would think of maybe coaching them
like this whole Hey, we're gonna hire Irv Meyer? Do
you think r Meyer wants wants the owner after the
game that postgame press conference and go like, hey, well
we didn't like to play call and and how the
like No, no, no, that's not how those guys roll.

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Even Jerry, even Jerry Jones with his well you know,
I ran into Bill Belichick at a ski resort when
he got fired by the Cowboys and Bill Belichick, you
really think he would have been cool with you and
the postgame pressers. No, it's not happening. So I think
this is a good thing, which, by the way, is

(42:40):
what he should have said at after the game on Sunday.
Like after the game on Sunday, go like, hey, is disappointing.
I'm sure we're gonna look at the tape and see
some coach. You're gonna see some things they would have
liked done differently. I'm sure the players are going to
see some things. But this is not the end of
the world. This is not the end of the season.
It's a hard loss in a hard place that we

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probably we we walk away thinking we should have won
the game and we didn't, and hopefully we'll get a
chance to see them in Miami in the super Bowl.
That's the answer you should And if not, like what
about Jason Garrett, Like, hey, when I'm making decisions in
mid year, that's what we're doing here, I mean firing

(43:21):
him mid season. Who are you gonna hire as your
interim coach? Your offensive coordinators? Thirty are you gonna hire?
You know, there's six and five with the Eagles at
five and six, it's their division to lose. Do you

(43:43):
think they're gonna make a mid season coaching change. I mean,
even for Jerry Jones, that would be too much, too much.
So I think this is common sense, But I think
he lacked common sense in um in in the things
that he said on Sunday, and here there's some confirmation

(44:08):
bias and that other people are sitting there going Jerry
is still gonna be Jerry. Jerry having his own press
conference is the most Jerry Jones thing ever. You just
it's it's one of those things that when you're it's
like when you're mad. It's like when you're you're mad

(44:28):
with your wife whatever. Like sometimes sometimes just get in
the car and go to the grocery store or just
go and work out, or just because the the idea
of talking it out sounds really good, but you're gonna
say something that you shouldn't say, Like, you know, hey,

(44:50):
you got you have issues in your your marriage and
your wife is a stay at home mom, which is
a super super hard job. I like, stay at home
mom is really hard. My wife has two degrees and
she had better grades than I did. She's a better
student than I and she she she takes care of
our kids, she takes care of the house. She also

(45:11):
you know, like what we've redone a house, Like she's
in charge of all that stuff. Yeah, I get to
go and talk about sports. I'm I'm sitting here watching
four TVs to hoop games, watch my boy, whitlock talk.
I got my my, my guys here working with like
we sit and talk. Nothing that really matters. But you

(45:32):
know how much I pay for the place I like
to work out? That comes up? You know, I can't
say like I get really mad. Don't say well I
I don't say it. Don't do it. Just take a
deep breath, maybe getting the car, go for a walk,
even avoid it, Just go like you know what, just

(45:55):
ride a bike, I do right, Like I take the dog.
I'm gonna take the dog for a run. Look the
dog up, Run the dog. You just can't. You can't
do it. Can't do it, and Jerry Jones used really
bad judgment. Don't tweet when you're angry, don't shop when
you're hungry, and don't have a press conference after losing

(46:17):
a hard fought road game in the middle of your
season just because you're disappointed. Don't don't start to take
it out in the coaching staff, even if the coaching
staff blew it. What was the win and what you
did you created undo pressure. Pressure already existed, but now
a lack of buy in from ownership causes questions from

(46:38):
players doesn't help your cause, and Jerry's trying to backpedal
as quickly as he can. You know, we're not gonna
make changes right now. Well, yeah, dude, that would be dumb.
But you kind of made it seem like you got
badly out coached and you were super embarrassed by it.
And how many times I and and how many times

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um would you? How many times would you do that?
Every time they lose to a playoff team? You you
say something about the coaches, right, like the only thing
that's more fanboy is to blame the refs or the goodell. Ry.

(47:22):
I didn't say you had to blame yourself. You don't
have to actually blame anybody. Sometimes you're somebody has to win,
somebody has to lose. You could say, hey, I'm sure
there's some decisions we would we'd like to make that
are different. But simply saying like it's it's go to
the playbook, it's the coach's fault, like all right, especially

(47:44):
when you haven't seen the game film yet and you
don't necessarily know exactly what each player was supposed to do.
And this is why every other owner doesn't do it.
Name me another owner that doesn't. Al Davis is no
longer of this earth. He used to do something, name

(48:05):
me somebody else. Well, he's a football guy, Like all right, great,
But if the owner starts calling out the coaches, dalla sudden,
all the players like, wait what there's a chain of
command in sports. And when you upset the chain of command?
Right when when the commander comes in and starts barking

(48:27):
around and saying that the general who's in charge of
screwing up and not blaming the people underneath the general
or blaming anyone, and you know, publicly, think about what
that does in the military, all right, think about what
that does. Think about what it does it in your workplace,

(48:49):
like you're the big boss comes to the CEO comes
in and says, I don't know that your managers here
just they have no idea what they're doing. That also
the salesforces, like, well, the the CEO doesn't think they manageable?
Why should I listen to him? You know what the
hell he's doing? Like, these guys are grown ups. I
know that on some level there's a percentage of us

(49:11):
who think they're football players are like, oh, I played football,
eat meat. But most of them are bright human beings,
college degrees and they have a real sense they have
for social jiu jitsu right. They understand the powers that
be and how to play off it when the when
the owner says the coach doesn't know what he's doing,

(49:33):
what's your level of confidence going to be? And what
the coach has in the weeks to come, the dumbest
Staton sports needs to go away, and I have a
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next be sure to catch the live edition of the
Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three p m. Easter noon
Pacific Doug Gotlip Show, Fox Sports Radio. I know the
whole world was watching the Rams get their asses kicked

(49:54):
by the Ravens and uh Lamar Jackson. Yes, that is
the stat that we shared with you, thanks to Darren
Windberg who works in Missoula, Montana at their NBC affiliate
for listening. The Ravens have punted twice in their past
three games. Twice in their past three games, and r

(50:16):
G three was the quarterback for both of those drives.
That it's Saints that uh anyway. Meanwhile, in the NBA,
the Lakers went into San Antonio and got yet another win.
If you haven't been paying attention, the Lakers are the

(50:36):
best record in the NBA. They're a stunning fifteen and
two right now. They've won eight consecutive games and uh,
their next game, I believe they'll return to New Orleans
where they bring Anthony Davis home, so in San Antonio
to get a win. And if you didn't watch, and
there are replays on today, Lebron James played magnificently. Um

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he had thirty three points and fourteen assists. Here's Frank
Vogel on how Lebron played. He was unbelievable and um,
I gave him opportunities to get a quick blow around
time ass if he wanted to. And you know he
said he was good, feeling fresh, and uh, he just
dominated the action. You know, he was quarterback and a
sign a defensive end and you know, really, like you said,

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made every play offensively, So I mean they did. The
guy is just unbelievable. Yeah, he he is. He's taken
a kind of new role defensively. I think he's always
taking some of this, but you'll watch he'll guard the
worst player often defensively, and he's back there and just
like I said, quarterbacking center field, pointing guys out where
they they're supposed to be. What's interesting about it is

(51:43):
if you if you go back and the last time
they played San Antonio. Last time they played San Antonio
on the third of November, he had one points, thirteen assists,
eleven rebounds, like man triple dub. Right, Yes, but he
was eight of twenty three. He didn't make a three.

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He was five of ten from the free throw line.
Granted last night again kind of bizarre. The Yips have
come back a little bit. The free to line three
of eight looks like the only flaw. Last night, he
had thirty three on twenty four shots. He made four threes,
He had fourteen assists, he had a block, He only
had three turnovers. He played better, played better. Our infatuation

(52:32):
with the triple double needs to end. It's a cool
stat it's fun, it's nido. It's what is Tom Herman? Okay, cool?
Hook him horns? That's a sense you what it is?
All right? Sure? Okay? Cool? What really matters? Last night

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he completely and thoroughly dominated game. Yeah, he was seven
rebounds short of a triple double. Do I care? I
do not even a little bit. I'm actually more impressed
because he made shots, he was efficient, created shots for
everybody else, and they won going away. Like, look, they

(53:18):
beat san Antonio going away at the tip of four
by seventeen. Last night's only by ten. But this one
and also both were on the road. But to step up,
to make shots, to make the right pass, quarterback, the
team you know to play thirty five minutes. This uh
two nights removed from playing back to back games and
played Oklahoma City and Memphis. He played in both thirty

(53:39):
six and thirty nine. He's playing big minutes and getting
even better, and his teammates are playing better around him.
Like I'm not saying it doesn't matter at all, but
it doesn't matter all that much. Maybe a little bit
more for him than it does. Russell Westbrook. Russell westbrooks
a guard. I don't need my guards rebounding all that much.
I need lebron at six eight rebounding a little bit more,

(54:01):
but not that much. If I can shoot, if I
can trade efficient shooting from two and from three for
seven rebounds, I'll take it, especially when I'm getting fourteen assists.
The triple double is in the categories of the most
overrated stats in sports. The biggest is wins in baseball,

(54:22):
especially for relief pitchers. You know where you can actually
walk off a mound with the game tied or you're losing,
but the team comes back and get some hits and
get some runs before you get officially pulled, and you
can get the win. All right, you can get the win.
I mean there are other ones, you know, completions and
touchdown passes. When you throw a shovel pass, like a

(54:44):
shovel pass is not really a pass, shouldn't really be
worthy of a touchdown pass, but somehow it is um
touchdown scored. In college football when you count overtime, overtime
they count all those stats or bowl games to count
all those stats. They're not played at the same level.
But a triple double is in that conversation, don't care,

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don't actually how did you actually play? Here's Lebrons on
his approach last night. Once he makes trusting me, they
trust me with the ball in my hand, coaches SAYLF,
trust me with the ball in my hand, and I
just try to make the right place for my team
going down to stretch rest in the fourth quarter, and uh,
you know it was a success. To night. Yeah, it
was a close game, close game. They were down at

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the half, I think down a point or two at
the half, come back, got a small lead entering the
fourth quarter, and Lebron comes back in they put him away.
He was great. He's been arguably the best player in
the league. And I don't know if this is the
revenge tour. I don't know when he takes a night

(55:48):
or two off. I can just tell you that dude's
playing some unbelievable basketball and he's trying to figure out
when do I share the ball? When do I let
other people play with it? How do I pace myself defensively?
Playing for a new coach and seemingly fully bought in.
There will be a time of adversity. There always is,
But so far it's been spectacular to watch. Fox Sports

(56:10):
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(56:32):
Dana Jeremiah, and you can see him on shows like
First Things First on Fox Sports One. Bucky, let me
start with Lamar Jackson. Um, there's a lot of similarities
in his and their team's success to Cam Newton's MVP
year of two thousand fifteen. I think my first question
is how is it different? How how will there be

(56:53):
a different outcome than what we saw from the Carolina Panthers.
Long term, I mean, I think term is the Baltimore
Ravens are all in on the Moor Jackson in this
offense that they've created. I think, um, Carolina was definitely
all in at the time, but I think what you've
seen is organically, the Baltimore Ravens have made it committed

(57:14):
to their franchise quarterback. They've surrounded him with the right
pieces to allow him to succeed, and then he's doing
a great job of improving. But Lamar Jackson that we're
seeing now is drastically improved as a pass and the
one that we saw last year, and if you go
back and track how he's improved from his time in Zisville,
he's kind of going against the norm. Normally, when you're

(57:35):
evaluating players, they kind of are what they are trying
to put him in a system to let them flourish
whatever their strength and weaknesses are. But Mark Jackson has
kind of broken mold because he has become a better pastor.
And I don't know if anyone thought that he would
be the kind of pastor that he's falls into as
a second year player. You know, it's interesting, it's it's

(57:55):
Mike Vick has been really um one system I think
is set up better for him than the system Mike
Vick played in. But also Mike VICKI would even say like, hey,
I didn't I didn't work hard when I was there.
Right In addition to the off the field stuff, Lamar
Jackson appears to have put the work in too improving
and then in turn they've put him in an offense
where he doesn't have to though there are parts of

(58:18):
this offense he's had to learn. Running the option and
running zone read is something he's done since he was
a high school quarterback, so he's not having to learn
new things. He's just able to go out there and play.
But I do think the work ethic is it's like
Mike Vick if he didn't have the dog fighting and
had a greater work ethic at a young age. Fair Yeah,

(58:38):
I think I think that's a credit to him, and
I've been like a lot a lot of work. I've
been most impressed with more. It came out in the
postgame interview. If anyone listened to him after the game,
where people were asking him about the m v P stuff,
he never talked about me. It was always the week
we want to win the super Bowl. I'm about winning titles.
Ever thought the individual at a lady and I think

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the way that you're able to judge how the team
steals about him. There was a clip there were Baltimore's
offenses on the fields and they pinned the sideline and
everyone to a man was up told that the line
watching the offense. I think there's a genuine affinity for
Lamar Jackson, and I think the respect that they have

(59:21):
for him that only comes from the talent, but the
way that he works and the way that he is inclusive.
I think all the guys feel that he's our guy
because he also brings him in when he shares the credit.
I think it's really a testament to a guy who
was young who is really mature at the position. I
think he is beyond what we really thought he would

(59:44):
be as a player. And I'd be the first one
because I was a bigger stand. I had no idea
that he would be this kind of leader and player
at this level. So you think it lasts, I think
it will last because look, using a basketball thing, could
shooters take shot that they can make? I think what
the Baltimore Ravens have done. They put him in an

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offense where the pass and they're asking them to make
are the ones that are only within his skill set.
Coming out of Louisville, he was not really great throwing
the ball outside past the numbers. So what you're seeing
is an offense that everything is more in breaking or
down the seams. And it works for him when he
does for outside the numbers is because he is on

(01:00:25):
the move, whether design pros or when he scrambles, he
hits guys outside of it. Right now, Sleek hasn't caught
up to it because they have to do so much
other stuff to defend stop the inside running games, stop
him running outside. Deal with Mark Inger and Gus Edwards.
It is really a fascinating job, a great job, that
great woman, and the stuff that done to put him

(01:00:46):
in the offense. There's really built for him. Bucky Brooks
our guests in the Doug Gotlips Show on Fox Sports Radio.
The opposite has happened to the Rams right offensive line
is not as good. Todd Gurley's not the same, Jared
Goff's not the same. And so people are saying that
the league is caught up to Sean McVeigh. What do
you believe has happened to specifically this Ram's offense. I

(01:01:08):
think the league has caught up to Sean McVeigh a
little bit in it. It always happens, right, the more
you play, the more take that circulates out there, the
more you guys get a feel for how to defend you.
The blueprint was put out there first by the Chicago Bears.
It's secondly about the doing the Patriots in the Super Bowl,
the way that they descended them. They shut off the edges,
they made their mother's side, and they really beat up

(01:01:28):
that offensive line and they put the game on Jared
Golf's shoulders. For the rest of the league saw that
in the off season study that put a blueprint together
that married those things, and they flew it out there
to see if the Rams had found a remedy to that,
and they haven't been able to do it. And I
think the surprise is for a guy who was dubbed
as a genius Sean McVeigh, he doesn't have answers to

(01:01:51):
what people are doing a couple of weeks ago, our
rotor things, and they've gotten away from the flash week stuff,
the misdirection, some of the deception that was a big
part of their offense the first few years. They're trying
to play more straight up and they're not good enough
right now from a personnel standpoint to beat people without
the deception and trickery. I think it's on Sun mc
They defined a way to re discover a formula that

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works for them and right now the clock is ticking.
They gotta get it done. They gotta get done and hurt.
The Packers got destroyed at the hands of the Niners. Um,
how how much of those issues is is Aaron Rodgers?
I mean he didn't play great. Um he had a
lot on him. I think it hurts them early and
no one would go back and look at the game.

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But early in the game, Davante Adams got a sitty
year a penalty that put him on the chain, they formal.
You know, when you're playing in these big games against
great teams, the details matter, and I think right now
the Green Bay Packers haven't been on the details on
offense the defense. Offensively, yes, Aaron Rodgers needs to play better,
but they've got to be better balanced. They need to
run it so it's not always number twelve. And then defensively,

(01:02:58):
they have to be able to stop the running game.
The running game has been their achilles seal. Not necessarily
defended them well, they got to do a good job
of being able to dictate the terms on both sides
of the ball. Offensively, being able to put an rides
in favorable situations. Defensively, making teams were dimensional. So they
have to throw against the but they need to understand
who they are and how they need to play the

(01:03:19):
win games in the high low Bucky Brooks moved the
sticks as the podcast. You hear him on Fox Sports
Rady alongside Jonas Knocks every Saturday, four o'clock Eastern time,
one o'clock Pacific. Dallas Cowboys uh playing them on soon.
But you would think behind that offensive line with that
running back, that would be their type of game. It
wasn't who's most to blame. Obviously, it goes it goes

(01:03:42):
back to coaching. So there are a couple of different things,
like there's this about the Dallas Cowboys offensive line, uh
to three years ago. Yes they had the best offensive
line in football, but they're no longer the team that
can can completely control the game and the line of scrimmage.
Tallas Smith isn't the player that he was, and it
kind of stands from that. I think what you saw
in that game and this is something that uh, the

(01:04:03):
Newland Patriots always do. The New England Patriots expose your
biggest weaknesses. They showed where you're the weakest act in
that game. Where I came away from Dallas is not
on the details. When it comes to special teams. The
New England Patriots really won the game because they won
the special team space, they blocked the fund, they won
field position because Dallas had several mistakes in the kicking game.

(01:04:28):
And that's all related to coaching. Coaching, they have to
get the players to understand their special teams as an
important face. What you saw was the team that got
out coach, which is why J. Jones was so strong
in his rebuke on the Cowboys coaches that okay, um,
but but Jerry Jones saying that post game, I don't

(01:04:48):
what's the what's the winning saying that I don't really
know what the win is at Like he he's been
very vocal or whatever. Maybe he feels like that's the
way to motivate Jason Garrett. But everyone knew that the
Cowboy on notice when it comes to the head coach
because he doesn't have a contract beyond this year, so
now the public can speculate about him not being there.
He created maybe more pressure internally, um by having Jason

(01:05:12):
Garrett having to answer those questions all week. But yeah,
Jason Garrett has to know what that look. I gotta
be on the details the apter coach credit. We gotta
win these games against top teams. Uh, it's just another
in the soap opera that is the Dallas Cowboys. We'll
see how the team responsed on Thanksgiving that I agree
with you in terms of the soap opera probably hurts them.
And again in terms of who their next coach would be,

(01:05:33):
let me just ask you, Like Vegas has Urban Meyer
as the guy most likely to be their next head coach.
I don't see it, do you do you. I don't
see the urban Meyer thing um being being at being
the right answer, do you so? I think Urban mar
would be a great job in that role. I think
Urban Meyer has a Tuler Pratt record for turnaround programs. Bowling, Green, Utaw,

(01:05:55):
Florida are safe. He's done it everywhere. He also is
a guy who understand is how to get the quarterback
going today. On the Movie six podcast, Dan Jane Meyer
brought up an interesting name one that had thought about.
But if you want a little bit of the urban
miner thing, how about Dan mullins at Florida. Dan Mullen
is a guy who has done it with the quarterbacks.

(01:06:16):
The quarterback run game. He knows Dak Prescott. He also
has engineered a couple of turnarounds. He might be an
interesting name from the college range to keep an eye on.
The other name would be Matt Room. What Matt Rule
has done in Baylor after also turnaround a struggling couple
of program he is going to carry a lot of
currency in NFL rooms. Uh, those are two days in

(01:06:36):
college that you could watch make me make their way
to the pros. Uh. Last thing, Uh, the Patriots have
enough offense to win this thing, and I wouldn't work
about the quarterback. I'm moving to Tom Brady. I think
they can't win it um the way that they're doing
it with the defense and the special teams. However, at
some point Tom Brady has to play better. And I
know typically people don't like to take shots at the

(01:06:58):
go because we're always fearful that, oh, he's gonna find
a way to bring it back. But he hasn't played great,
and you can go all the way back to the
end of the last season. He had three great games
at the beginning of this season, but if you look
at December, the playoffs, even the Super Bowl, and then
the majority of this season, he hasn't been the same guy.
And what I see is an older guy who the

(01:07:21):
arm and the accuracy is off. And I also see
a guy who doesn't really want to get hit, so
pressure bothers him more than that it ever has. And
so I do worry about the Patriots getting enough offense
to be able to get it done. The one thing
that makes it tough to be the Patriots. They found
the formula that works. If they get home field advantage,
they don't have to play two games to get to
the Super Bowl in a one in dust scenario. It's

(01:07:44):
hard to build against Bill Belichick and how coach that
always gives them an advantage and the opportunity to go
in to Super Bowl. Bucky Brooks check him out every
Saturday on Fox Sports Radio alongside Jonas Knocks. He'll see
him on our TV shows as well. He's a talented
high school football coach, former pro as well in his
own right. Um and then you also he'll be alongside
Dan Buyer What My Show Thursday. Awesome, Awesome, Bucky State Travels,

(01:08:11):
thanks so much to join us. Is Ohio State one
of the greatest college football teams of all time? We
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(01:08:31):
you a previous show on Fox Sports Trader or Fox
Sports Why don't we call it? This was Calling Cowherd
and Reggie Bush talking about Ohio State before they take
on Michigan. You were on some of the most talented
college teams ever at USC is Ohio State in that
class in terms of overall roster two. You know what,
It's funny you mentioned that because last week in my notes,

(01:08:52):
I was gonna say this on there, and I didn't
say it. I was gonna say that, I believe this
Ohio State team could have played with with our national
championship team. I believe they're very talented all across the board. Obviously,
justin fields is a problem. Um, and I would justin
fields would be Vince Young back then, right, Um, they
got a great defense, Chase Young, who is arguably the

(01:09:14):
best player at his position, the most dominant player at
his position, all across the board, stud running back, stud
running back. They got receivers that can get open to
mannae man coverage. I see a great football team. And
I even said on the show, I think this could
be the best Ohio State team ever assembled. Yeah. I mean,

(01:09:35):
um man, this is it's really really hard. Look. I
I think Reggie Bush is doing an awesome job. I
actually think that show is really, really, really good. Okay,
but I would caution us, Okay, let's take a really
deep breath, because Reggie Bush has been covering college football

(01:09:56):
for this year. Right, So the perspective of it's one
of the things that's hardest when you come out of
being a player is there's like, however long he played
in the NFL. You played in the NFL for like
a decade. You're not studying college football. You're not before that,
you're playing it. So even your understanding of the level

(01:10:16):
of talent. I've heard Ohio State people say that this
is the most complete team. Um, but just the idea
that well, this is the best, Like, let's take a
really deep breath, justin fields a good player. It's a
good player. Um, easy going to be a top five

(01:10:37):
draft pick as a quarterback. Right, Like go back in.
If we're gonna talk greatest teams of all time, part
of it is like we're gon compared with some of
those Miami teams right pre USC era pre USC and
you're like, holy cow, the number of pros the Florida
team that won a national championship um either the first

(01:10:57):
of the second time with Urban Meyer. Those teams were
stacked to their too deep with pros, and college football,
much like college basketball, watered down now just is more schools,
more places to play, more quarterbacks that one opportunity they
won't sit like you know, I mean, perfect example is
Ohio State has three quarterbacks. None of them were at

(01:11:19):
Ohio State last year, transfer culture and so are they
loaded talent wise? Yes? And for this era? Are they
the most talented football team in the country? Okay, I'll
go with that. Do they compare with previous eras? I
would be very very hard pressed to compare them to
the great Miami teams, the great Florida teams, those that
have too deep and NFL cavial rosters. Buyer your your

(01:11:42):
thoughts on on this as opposed to the all time
great teams. I think it's really good. It's just a
matter if we're in the process right now, like like
we know like how good the two thousand four us
USC team was, and then they go and what beat
Oklahoma the next season, and then we know the uh
game against UH Texas and the Rose Bowl, so that
whole span. I think that they're really really good. I

(01:12:04):
think to your point about the NFL, I think we'll
actually see that with this team. And I actually think
that some of the guys, mean you look at their
wide receivers that they lost Paris Campbell and Terry McLaurin
last year. And now you look at this team and
they're five or six deep at wide receiver and they
lost two guys to the pros. Who I know. Campbell's her,
but Terry McLaren has been making a name for himself.

(01:12:25):
Their entire secondary is going to be drafted, and probably
drafted pretty high when they end up being picked. We
know about Chase Young. I think in time you will
maybe get to know the names more as they go
to the NFL. But yeah, they're really good. It is
the best Ohio State team that in my lifetime of
following and remembering that that I have seen the most complete.

(01:12:48):
I mean, like, look what we are talking about. There
is a roster okay at at at my ata Florida
tebow Cam Newton was on the roster as a as
a sophomore right um, and they had Lewis Murphy and
Percy Harvin and David Nelson and Riley Cooper right and
Aaron Hernandez and Marquise Poundcy and Jason Watkins and Mike Poundcy.

(01:13:11):
Like I I keep going on, like holy call those
guys and you go back to the Florida teams, I agree.
I think this is a great team. I just I'm
really hard pressed to compare this era with other with
with others. You're gonna say something, Ryan, It's also really
difficult to sort of project what makes a dominant college
team versus when we look at their pro career, because

(01:13:34):
like last year's Clemson team ended up dominating everyone even
in the playoff and in the National Championship game, and
a lot of their defensive players got drafted. But Cleveland
Farrell and Dexter Lawrence and a lot of these guys
aren't like shredding up the NFL right now. So maybe
they were a part of one of the great college
teams but didn't necessarily turn into like all the time

(01:13:55):
Hall of Fame talent in the NFL. Okay, even if
you go back and you check out the two thou
in thirteen Florida State National Championship roster, like Jimbo Fisher remember,
and you know their quarterback was was Jamis Winston. Like,
go and look at all of those dudes and how
many guys have become really good pros And you're like, man,

(01:14:16):
I had no idea how deep they were, but I mean, like, look,
they're really good and they've been. They've been like a
machine recruiting wise um and quickly. The teams that we
all mentioned all one national titles. We don't even know
if Ohio State is gonna get in the playoff right now,
so's toe. But but also does that change how you
look at their talent based upon the results? That makes sense? Yeah, right,

(01:14:40):
Like the USC team that lost to Texas doesn't make
them any less talented just because they lost their last
game to to to Vince Young takes a big boy
to admit well and he's wrong. I'm a big boy.
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(01:15:05):
It's all you can ever hope for. But wait, there
is one caveat to that. Is it a real opportunity
to be your best self? Like, everybody wants a chance
to succeed, But is it that what you're doing best?
You know? Um, the real talk of professional sports is this,
Like I went to UM, there was a free agent

(01:15:26):
mini camp in summer league, and there was a I
never went to veterans camp with anybody in the NBA.
The team that I had a bit of an in
with and that like me and that would bring me
in for all their free agent stuff was the l
A Lakers now the l A Lakers at the time
had a guy named Shaquille O'Neal may have heard of him,
and a guy named Kobe Bryant may have heard of him.

(01:15:47):
And their point guard was Derek Fisher, who was great
to me anytime I was around the facility, like, couldn't
be a better dude. Um. And the guys who frankly
beat me out for the opportunity to go to VET
camp and made the team Gunny Mike Pembert who's now

(01:16:07):
on staff of the team. Unbelievable shooter, like an unbelievable shooter.
And uh, there was one of the guy, uh, what's
his name, Joe Crispin, another guy who could really pass,
but an unbelievable shooter. And if you remember at the time,

(01:16:29):
they were running the triangle. The triangle is my style
of playing the positions nightmare right. The way I grew
up playing the position of point guard was you bring
it up, you make the decisions, you make the passes
to get him in the offense, and when the thing

(01:16:50):
breaks down, you create the shots that it had. The
triangle works. The triangle is solely based upon wherever the
past is that determines the move it and that's why
you get They have ball stoppers and ball movers. You
cannot be a ball stopper unless you're Jordan or Kobe.
Your shack and everybody else spaces off of those great players.

(01:17:12):
There are very few, if any, ball screens within and
when you're not running a bunch of ball screens and
you don't have space for guys to go one on
one and create shots and get to the rim. That's
why Derek Fisher was able to be so successful there
and not really successful with the Warriors of the Utah Jazz.
Not the same impactful player. It's about fit as well

(01:17:36):
as opportunity. Do you remember r G three. R G
three's first year with the Redskins, they went to the playoffs,
but what they wanted to do was eventually make him
what they would call pro quarterback and run the same
offense they're running now in San Francisco. Jimmy Garoppolos running
with r G three in d C. How do I know.

(01:17:57):
Kyle Shanahan was there, Sean McVeigh was there. All those
guys were there. And so for a year they beat
the bullet and said, Hey, the guy's only run zwe
read he's only run spread. Look stuff, We're gonna it's
too much, too soon to put him into pro style.
Lamar Jackson is going to be the m v P

(01:18:18):
of the league. I didn't think he would be or
earned it a couple of weeks ago. I think it's
almost a foregone conclusion. Now. It takes a big man
admit when he's wrong. I'm a big man. I mean,
the stat is just jarring. Over the last three games,
two of which are with against teams that are above five.

(01:18:41):
The other ones the Bengals, they've punted two times. R
G three was the quarterback for both of those drives
that ended up in punts. It's incredible. I still have
my questions about long term, about people adjusting to it,
about seeing this offense, about him getting hurt, like all
of these are legit, honest questions I have about Lamar Jackson.

(01:19:02):
I'm willing to tell you that Mike Vick didn't not
make it solely because the offense wasn't a fit. Mike Vick, admittedly,
by his own admittance, didn't play hard, didn't practice with
great intensity, wasn't invested in watching film, in knowing the playbook,
in all the other little things he was. He was

(01:19:23):
about Mike Vick. He was just to give me the ball,
get open. If not, I'll run it solely based upon toughness, competitiveness,
athletic ability, which he had, But that that only takes
you so far in this league. Lamar Jackson, He's changed
his body, he's improved his game. He has great work
ethic or work ethic, and is about right now at

(01:19:44):
least everybody other than himself. And that's a pretty special thing,
the pretty special thing. But the thing that blows me away,
and the thing that I think the Ravens have done
to really change the league, is let's go all in
on this style. Remember they got RG three who can

(01:20:06):
run it as a backup, and there's others they can
find as additional backups if those guys go down and
get hurt. It is a style that has limitations. It
is a style that if you get behind or if
you get behind the chains. Now of a sudden, he's
got to do something he's not capable comfortable totally doing,
which is standing back there, going through progressions, throwing outside

(01:20:26):
the numbers. He didn't do that great, but they're asking
him to do something he's done his entire life. Make
a read, make two reads, throw inside the numbers, if not,
tuck it and run the football, and he might be
the best we've ever seen do it. Yeah, I mean,

(01:20:50):
I mean, look, if you don't think fit matters, I
think it was three years ago. The Raiders had a
dominant offensive line and they change offensive line coach, and
they change philosophies. They tried a zone blocking scheme. This
is going back the year before Gruden got there, and

(01:21:12):
it was a disaster and they sucked and they couldn't
block anybody, and it didn't make any sense. Is because
the it didn't fit the personnel. Look, man, you put
him in any of these other situations and these other offenses,
it's not what you're looking for. He can't do what
Kirk Cousins does, fake a handoff, roll out to his left,

(01:21:34):
plan his feet find the receiver. But if you snap
it to him and you have various options, stuff that
he's done since grade school. High school. He needed to
relearn the ball handling, of pitching the ball, of reading
the defensive end, of handing it off and taking it back,

(01:21:55):
of throwing on the move. Uh, these kind of dump
off passes and but tween the numbers. It's not just
his improvement, it's Baltimore and Greg Roman finding the fit,
finding the offense that fits him. I think there's lots
of quarterbacks that are super jealous. Hey, man, if I

(01:22:16):
found a guy that would just just say, hey, what
do you do best and let's do that, I'll admit it.
This guy is gonna be the m v P because
his energy, the play, the explosive plays he makes with
his feet occasionally with his arm. It's completely changed the

(01:22:38):
outlook and look. The style they play helps the defense.
Long drives running the football keeps the defense off the
field so that they they can make more plays with
fewer in it with with more energy. You have a
great kicker, so you're always trying you can score points.
Once you get inside the like forty five yard line,

(01:22:59):
you feel like you can score with Justin Tucker. Like
the whole thing works together to make mistake teams to
make is they'll they'll try and recreate it because they'll say, hey,
this guy is kind of like Lamar Jackson. But they
won't go all in and they won't weather the storm.
What what here? People are gonna forget? Last year playing

(01:23:21):
the playoffs, second time the Charger saw him, it was awful.
It was awful, awful. They got booed off the field
at home and a lesser coach with less support. Remember
there was there was talk to John Harbaugh may not
survive last year he made the playoffs, so you got

(01:23:42):
extension to get a new GM. Now, like, you know what,
let's go all in. Teams don't like to go all in,
especially when coaches don't really know. I only know what
I'm coaching, like trying something I haven't right. Whereas West
Coast offense, that thing has worked for thirty years. Go
with what you know, put a quarterback of what you know.
It's the safe play. There's gonna be a game here

(01:24:04):
and maybe this week again San Francisco where they get
behind the chains and it looks bad. And I mean like, look,
if you watch that Kan City game, if you really
watched it, it was not good. It was not good.
He did not throw the ball. Well, they contain him,
they kept him in the pocket, and it just it
wasn't He didn't look like long term it would work.

(01:24:25):
Did they change anything, Nope, full steam ahead. This is
our guy, this is our style, this is our quarterback.
Let's put him in better position. Can't have offside penalties,
we can't have fumbles, we can't get behind the sticks,
can't turn the football over. They have it. And I

(01:24:46):
know you think that it's copycat league. Everybody's gonna copy it,
but teams struggle to go all in on the style
that can be that that can be ugly to watch.
I mean, look, how many times have we been in
this deal where you say, why don't more to do?
Teams do it like the Patriots, Detroit Lions, they're trying

(01:25:07):
it right, and you get people like, well, we need
to fire my Matt Patrician. He's in his second year.
He doesn't have Matt Stafford. You don't have your starting
quarterback that makes you know, thirty million dollars that that
can throw for four hundred yards. You have no chance
that team is built around Matt Stafford. You don't have him.
They've had issues at running back. They're trying to change
the culture year two like you might think. And the

(01:25:30):
GM is a Patriots guy, but at some point that
old idea of all in, like I don't know, you
lose faith. It's very normal. Think how many Patriot assistants
have tried Josh McDaniels. Um, I mean, look, front office
guys went to Kansas City and failed, went to Atlanta

(01:25:52):
and failed. Romeo Cornell, Eric Mangini. Look, Eric Mangini turned
it around with the Jets, but he wasn't And what's
funny is he's really good on TV, but he wasn't
good with the media there. He did the kind of
Belichick curmudgeon thing. They weren't patient, didn't go all in,

(01:26:16):
pull the plug, and Rex Ryan ends up benefiting from it.
Like Darrell Reeves that was drafted. That was what do
you think that was? A guy was drafted by super smart,
super talented, all pro cornerback dude. That was the eval
of Eric Mangini. And if teams can't commit to the
Patriots way and have patients with the Patriots, which has
worked for twenty years, what leads you to believe they'll

(01:26:39):
be super patriots patient with the Lamar Jackson Ravens Way,
which has been successful for all of a season. Look,
I can admit when I'm wrong. I'm wrong. That dude's
gonna be the m v P he's playing, and that
team is playing at a remarkable level right now. I
don't know if it works long term, and I'll be
interested to see how many people want a copy of

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copycat league copy of Um, he checks all the boxes,
but he really doesn't and his team knows it. Tell
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listen live. I think I was the only guy saying
this the day after the Miles Garrett incident. Um on
was that Thursday football, that Monday night football, Thursday football
right sturs in night football. So, UM, here's what happened.
Mason Rudolph obviously got into more than a kerfuffle. That

(01:27:44):
was a whole. That was a donny brook he got
into with with Myles Garrett. Some might even say a brawl,
which is a donny brook by the way, Um, I
mean it was, by the way you want old schools
saying a peer six brawl. You guys ever heard that expression? Huh,

(01:28:05):
No one's ever heard that one. Here's six bray. That's
that's an old that that's an oldie, but a goody.
A pure six brawl was a wild brawl. A notorious
for noting when a bloodied superstar was wearing a crimson mask.
But a guy named Gordon solely invented the expression pure
six brawl. Anyway, That's what broke out in Cleveland a

(01:28:30):
couple of weeks ago, and I was like the only
one saying, like, thank god, that's having for Mason Rudolph.
Everybody didn't pay attention to just how bad he was.
Four picks completed his passes right now, and he just
didn't look confident. And look, Tom, they gotta bring good defense,
but the offense was just inept and uh, Duck Hodges

(01:28:53):
comes in mid game and immediately I think it was
seventy two or seventy six yards to James Washington, who,
by the way, was Mason Rudolph's wide receiver in college
at Oklahoma State. They're supposed to have this kinetic connection.
Instead it's Duck Hodges comes in and have this connection,
but you know, you you you can't fool coaches players.

(01:29:16):
And I like Mason Rudolph. I've never not liked him.
He was a great college quarterback at Oaklahoma State, great,
not good, great record setting. But when he got ready
for the draft, I asked a bunch of dudes, NFL guys,
and they're like, yeah, I don't know. Not great and
bad weather, smallish hands, and he's big and athletic, but

(01:29:41):
he doesn't really run much. He doesn't like guys in
his face or at his feet. And I'm guessing that
it's just a guess, an educated guest, but a guess
that one of the reasons that they really, you know,
they got after him after that because that was needless,
Like what was Myles Garrett doing? Why would you even

(01:30:02):
take him to the ground? Was they were trying to
intimidate him, Like, look, in real professional sports, we don't
talk about this that much, but hey, if they think
they can talk trash to you and you're gonna shrivel up,
you know what they're gonna do. They're gonna truck trash
to you. If they think a cheap shot will make
you shut down, a cheap shot you it's the old

(01:30:23):
bully deal. I don't know if I were told you
the story. My brother was in. For one year, we
lived in Hewlett, New York. We lived with my grandparents.
I was born in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. And in nineteen eighty
eight Division one programs and men's college basketball had to

(01:30:45):
also have a women's program part of Title nine. Title
nine had to be implemented by night. At some point,
my dad was like, he kept raising money and half
the money would have to go to women's program, and
they couldn't stay division one. His program went Division three.
Because the women's program was Division three, they had to
create one. So he left and he went to work
for my grandpa, who was a card dealer on Long

(01:31:07):
Island before he got back into coaching in southern California.
So for a year we lived in New York. You
litt New York. It's on Long Island. And my brother
was getting bullied, and my dad said, I don't want
to hear it. He bullies you again, you punch him
in the nose, I'll give you five dollars. So sure enough,

(01:31:33):
one day, you know, I'm home from preschool or whatever,
phone rings and it's the principal and somebody's got to
pick up my brother because he punched a kid in
the nose and my dad heard about it. When my
brother came home, there's five dollars waiting for him in
the kitchen table. Right, But that's what the Browns were

(01:31:54):
trying to do. They're trying to intimidate the dude. Here's
Mike Tomlin earlier today on the bench. He Mason Rudolph
he hadn't protected the ball very recently like he did
at the early portions of his participation. That is the
most intricate and interesting way of saying, did you watch
the type? Right? He's like this says no, I don't

(01:32:19):
think he said anything racist to Miles Garrett. By the way,
That probably doesn't help him, right, doesn't help true? True
or not. I don't think anybody believes Myles Garrett because
if he would have said that, Myles Garret would have
gone crazy and would have said to Mike Pouncey or
which pounds he is? It always get confused in the
pounce He's He would have said it to other black

(01:32:42):
players right there, and other guys would have turned turned
on him at that very moment. Marquis Pouncy, Sorry, Mike
Pounce Hi with the charges but hurt, but like, look, dude,
he was twenty three of forty four with four picks.
Against the Browns. He was eight of sixteen for eighty
five yards and threw a pick and it fumbled the football.

(01:33:02):
Because again against the Bengals, who are the worst team
in the NFL, you can fool fans and we can
get caught up in that. I feel bad for him
with the Miles Garrett things. He's not a racist. I
don't believe it to be true. He's a good dude.
He's just not playing well enough. And either he's not
good enough or not playing well enough, or not confident enough,

(01:33:23):
or maybe they got him rattled. But it was a
really nice way up by Mike Tomlin of saying he's
kind of sucked. So we're going with Duck Hodges. Be
sure to catch the live edition of The Doug gott
Leap Show weekdays at three pm Easter noon Pacific on
Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio Whap. All right,

(01:33:45):
let's welcome to Brock here, NFL analyst, Fox College Football Analyst.
You know, look, I am a defender of Mason Rudolph,
the person I cannot defend his play, and the Duck
Hodges thing is is is super interesting to see if
it works out. You have any problem with Mike on
the benching Mason Rudolph, No, I don't. Um. You know,
that's that's a pretty stable organization, Doug that I think

(01:34:07):
makes the the right call more often than not. And
they gave Mason plenty of time. This wasn't a game,
this wasn't a half, this wasn't two games. They gave
him a big chunk of time and opportunity. This season.
The defense got better around him. That old line is
a really solid group, and I think unfortunately for Mason,
it just didn't ascend right. When you're a young player,

(01:34:29):
they'll live with some ups and downs, but ultimately you
want to see that arrow going up, and I think
over the last two to three weeks it was going
the other way. And in that organization, as quality as
they are through and through from the top down, they're
going to give the other guys the opportunity to see
if he can ascend. All right, let's let's talk what
everybody's talking about, which is Lamar Jackson. And obviously they've

(01:34:53):
gone all in, which is different because other other other
teams have takered with it, and even Greg Roman in
San Francisco. You know, they ran some of this stuff,
but ultimately they wanted to make their guy into a
quote unquote NFL quarterback and run an NFL offense. It
feels like the Ravens commitment to this is at a
at a at a higher level in terms of their

(01:35:14):
commitment than any team previously. Is that accurate? Yeah, I
would I would agree with that, Doug. And you know,
my my co host and I'm my own co host,
Mike Salk here in Seattle we take our podcast today
and and he and I were talking about it. I
don't remember. I don't know if at the time you
were speaking to this in the same way. But when
Tim Tebow became a starter in Denver, I remember Salk

(01:35:36):
and I say, a man, can you imagine can you
imagine if they just go all in and then then
they just say, you know what, We're going to build
around tebow skill set. You know, he's not a great passer,
but he is the most physical quarterback that we've seen.
His Heisman Trophy year in two thousand seven, he had
over fifty total touchdowns and you know, and then he
went to Denver and and you know, maybe unlike Mason

(01:35:58):
Rudolph in some ways, him, over the course of that
year got better to the point that they beat Pittsburgh
Steelers in the home playoff game. And and I remember
saying the stalk like, wouldn't it be fun if they
just went all in and they just went for fullbacks
and they went for a big lineman and they and
they went for a power run game, and they really
played off Tim's pretty incredible physical skill set to run
the football and nothing like Lamar. I mean, he's he's

(01:36:20):
the thunder to Lamar's lightning. But the guy was unbelievably productive,
was Tim Tebow as a college player? And and then
ultimately they said, no, he is just such an underwhelming pastor.
He is so grossly inaccurate. It's just not gonna work.
And and they move on from him, and Tim obviously
moves on from the NFL, and and you know, never
never makes it happen the way that that Lamar is

(01:36:41):
this year. But I think it is awesome. I mean,
play to that guy's skill set, surrounds him with the
right supporting cast, and Doug I remember doing one of
Lamar Jackson's very first college games, they played at Florida State.
They had made the move to Lamar that year as
a young player, I want to say, maybe even a
red shirt freshman or at or true sophomore. And I
remember when the offensive coordinator walked in the room that

(01:37:04):
day in Tallahassee, you just had this twinkle in his
eye and he just looked at me. And at that
time it was Bob was Shusan and Alison Williams, and
he's like, wait till you see this kid. He is
so fast. We've never seen anything like this guy. And
I don't want to speak kupe perboly, but you know
he's not going to be perfect, and he's going to
throw it all over the place. And he did that
first year as a starter at at in Louisville. But man,

(01:37:26):
was he the fastest player on that field that day
in Tallahassee. And somehow, some way, remarkably, Doug, he is
still the fastest player on any given Sunday or Monday
or Thursday primetime game he's playing in the NFL right now.
That's the voice of Brock Heward NFL analysts to Fox
college football analyist Doug Gotlib show here on Fox Sports Tradio. Okay,

(01:37:47):
but then we have seen Cam Newton be the m
v P and some of the numbers, and I know
that he's a different type of athlete, whereas Kim is
huge and has a huge arm um like Lamore at
times can have you know, spots of you know, can
be inaccurate. But he's not as elusive as as Lamar
in la is. But you know, injuries have absolutely depleted him.

(01:38:10):
And and look even Mike Vick. I think Mike Vick,
by his own estimation, didn't have the work ethic. But
also remember he had the broken leg that ultimately derailed him.
He's had some some issues. I guess the question becomes,
how long can you play this way? Yeah? I think
that is a very fair question. And I think we
all got to be a little bit careful to jump

(01:38:30):
to just this this huge hyperboleeve that this guy is
going to change the game and the system is going
to change the game, and ten more teams are going
to be run first in their mentality because let's face it,
look at the NFL draft board this year. How many
guys are coming out like Lamar Jackson, is Joe Burrow,
like Lamar Jackson, Uh no is to a tongue Byla
and Justin Herbert, Actually no, Jalen hurts down at Oklahoma.

(01:38:54):
He loves to run, there's no question, but he falls
probably a little bit more on that Cam Newton side
of physicality and Tim Tebow side of physicality. Wanting to
run the ball that way, maybe a little bit more elusive,
but certainly much more in the Cam Newton vein. And
you know, this becomes a legitimate question is how long
is this sustainable? How long can you be durable? Running

(01:39:15):
backs in this league don't make it to thirty They
just they just don't. With the kind of pounding they
take and running between the tackles. Quarterbacks are going to
be protected in this league in ways they never have before.
And there and I think is some of the brilliance
of the Baltimore Ravens to say this game is different,
it's officiated different. Quarterbacks are more protected than they were
in Michael Vick's era than they were even in Cam

(01:39:37):
Newton's era five years ago. You can't hit them like
you used to be able to hit them. So I
think that that sustainability and that durability can can push
but to think that he can run with this style
into his thirties. That's probably not gonna happen. But man,
while he's fresh and he's young, and he's at his prime,
this is sure some kind of fun to watch. That's

(01:39:59):
only so Brock Here, a former NFL quarterbacks Doug otlip
Show on Fox Sports Trade, I do want to get
to college in a second. But Jared Goff, has he regressed?
Is it people catching up to Sean McVeigh? Is it
the line? Why did he go from a guy who
led a team to a super Bowl and like shouldn't
be lost, like they had some big boy drives on
the way to that Super Bowl to one who many

(01:40:21):
are losing confidence in. Yeah, they answer your your questions.
It's the SCS, And yes there's folks that have caught
up to that system. There's no question about it. The Bears,
I think his booger rightfully said last night. The Bears
began some of that blueprint um a season ago in
a primetime game, and many others that have run with
it to a degree, all a little bit different and

(01:40:41):
based on their defensive personnel. But yes, I don't think
that that system is surprising anybody most importantly, the personnel
of the Rams has changed. That a line is not
very good. They were elite, they were the best in
the league. They man handled people, They destroyed the edges
of defenses. They owned the edge of the line of scrimmage.
And in so doing we're able then to set up

(01:41:01):
the jet suite, been able to set up the outside stretch,
and able to set up the screen game and all
the plethora of play action passes that came off of that,
and that put Jared Goff in a position where he
could and his strengths could be situated. And right now
he's not in that position. Right now, that offense is
surprising no one. Right now, that offensive line cannot win
on the edges and it's crippling some of the scheme.

(01:41:23):
And then Jared Goff, you know, if he's got to
be a creator, and he's got to be like Russell Wilson,
or he's got to be like Lamar Jackson, and he's
got to create and he's got extend and he's got
to make the extraordinary happen, that's not him. That is
not his skill set, even though he's being paid very
very handsomely. So yes, yes, and yes, I think all
of those matters have jumped up on on both Jared
individually and certainly collectively on that team. Dougli Show on

(01:41:46):
Fox Sports Radio, what happened Oregon? I I knew that one.
I since that one was coming, Doug and we chatted
last Tuesday. I would have told you, as I told
some others, that there's a reason teams have never gone
nine and oh in conference play. That over the course
of a season, and that group got beat up, that
group is a little bit undersized. That group lost the

(01:42:06):
pass rusher, that group lost the tight end, that group
lost a running back, that group lost a backup linebacker.
And you know, you just go through the course of
a grueling season in this conference and oh, by the way,
a road trip to Washington, a road trip to USC
you empty the tank, you know, kind of like Mike
Tyson's punch out back in the day where you know
you owned it, and I know you beat Mike Tyson

(01:42:27):
at the very end, just like I did. You got
through Soda Pop Pinski and the Bowl and the rest
of them. Uh, that energy meter just started to get
depleted and started to get depleted, and when injuries happened
and your team is not huge and deep and physical
like Ohio State or like Clemson. That energy meter goes down,
and while you could pick it up, once it goes
down and it starts to get drained, it's really hard

(01:42:49):
on the road to get off the map. And that
was a dangerous, dangerous animal they had to deal with
with nothing to lose, losers of four in a row.
A scheme defense Civilly that I knew would present issues
to a very basic run game and a very basic
offensive scheme, and it did all of that. And honestly, Doug,
that was not an enormous surprise to me. Okay, so

(01:43:12):
what does this mean for Utah? Uh? This is this
is Utah's this is their their conference to run. I
think they're gonna throttle Colorado. I think they've got a
quarterback that should be in New York City. Uh. You know,
if I have to cast my ballot today, I think
he's on my ballot. Um, he's not number one on
my ballot, but he's on my ballot as Tyler Huntley.

(01:43:33):
I love the kids. He's an absolute freaking warrior. That's
that's elevated that team. I was chatting with one back
twelve coach here recently and he said, you know, it's amazing.
There really are like eleven of us that could win
or lose to anybody. And then there's Utah, and Utah
is built to do it this year. Seven seniors on defense. Uh,
they've got the most Senior Bowl invites of anybody, and

(01:43:55):
it's not even close. I think they've got six kids
right now committed to Cohen to that game, five of
them on the defensive side of the ball down at
the Reese's Senior Bowls. So they are locked and loaded.
This is their conference to win. I think they should
get after that Oregon team that I just got done
talking about, who also will have a challenging time matching
up with their defensive scheme and power and strength and

(01:44:17):
and if they run the table and they passed the
eye test and they dominate the way they've dominated the
last two weeks, I would have no problem based on
what's going to happen around them, if they had to
match up with one of the three three other heavyweights
in the semifinals. Brock kind of quickly here, does Michigan
have a chance again? Do you think they can beat?
Ohiose State. I don't think they can beat them, but

(01:44:37):
I think they have a chance. The way the QBS playing,
the way their offense has ascended this year, Doug, the
confidence are playing with on that side, it should be
a better game than it's been here recently. Are you
okay with people saying this is the most talented Ohio
State team they've ever had? Oh? Oh oh, I'm not
okay with that. I went to the Horseshoe as a
true freshman and Big Daddy and Eddie George and uh people,

(01:44:59):
Terry Clay, Corey Stringer, and uh no, I'm not I'm
not comfortable saying that it's it's locked and load in
the most talented roster in college football this season, from
top to bottom. But I don't know if I can
say that ever. Yeah, we we we do this. We're
prone to hyperbole. We're prisoners at the moment, and we
do have people covering the sport that you know, they
don't they haven't been covering it the whole time. Now,

(01:45:20):
look some of the old timers, it's we start going
Johnny lu Jack and Okay, but you know, even in
in modern football, you know, like, I don't know how
we compare to as you point out, Terry Glenn and
Eddie George, I mean Corey Stringer on on one team
they've had they've had some dudes there and they just
they have dudes there there this year. Where are you
this weekend? This weekend, I am in your old neck

(01:45:43):
of the woods Man. We actually have a general will
do this. We'll do the Friday game at Texas Tech
and Texas Okay, we get to travel up to Bedlams
Saturday night. Ma'am. All right? You you private jetting? And
how are you? How are you going from Lubbock to
still Water? There's no direct flights go through Dallas. She
threw Dallas. You can get the still Water. Yeah, we're
in Austin. It's actually at Texas. Nonstorms in the forecast,

(01:46:06):
so if there's thunderstorms, we're gonna be like John Candy
and uh, I'll grab the headset. In the meantime, Uh,
text me when you get in. We'll be doing Thanksgiving
up there, and I'll be your Hucklebart. I'll be there
there for you. We'll hang a little bit. I love
it sounds good. Doug. Uh, Doug gotlip show on Fox Portraits.
Brock you are great college footbinyalist covers the NFL as well.

(01:46:29):
How did Cowboys players feel about Jerry Jones calling out
their coaching staff. Find out next. Be sure to catch
the live edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at
three p m. Easter noon Pacific Doug Gotlip Show, Fox
Sports Radio. I hate to be that guy. There's a
photo circulating around, uh where Lamar Jackson was in the

(01:46:49):
green room with his mom, and they're like a reminder,
thirty one teams passed on Lamar Jackson. Have you seen
that photo? You see that one? It's good photos powerful.
Remember his mom was his agent. Um, I don't know,
is this is it rude to point out that Russell
Wilson was the third round pick? Or that right? That

(01:47:11):
that rude to point that one out? Or I don't know,
is it is it rude to point out obviously Tom
Brady and we could do the Tom Brady Tohn Brady
was a sixth round pick? Is that one rude to
point out? Um? I'm not not sure where did Shaun
Watson go in there? He went with twelve first round?
He went low earlier, right, but uh, several teams, including

(01:47:33):
the Chicago Bears, passed on him. Aaron Rodgers was like
last guy in the green room. He was the first
round pick, but twenty when people thought he could have
gone first overall, I don't know. I think I had
a pretty good take there with Russell. Where's why aren't
there shots of Russell Wilson or Dak Prescott who was
a fourth round pick? Anyone Kirk Cousins fourth round pick

(01:47:56):
when they drafted a first round quarterback, you know, it's like, uh,
I'll tell you they totally missed on him, Like, all right,
did they? He was a first round draft pick. I
hate to be that guy, but Baltimore passed on him
the first time round. Jimmy Garoppolo went to sixties sixty

(01:48:17):
pick in the NFL draft. So like, let's take a breath,
take your breath, let's get to the process. Top notch
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Jerry Jones has some support for his comments within the
Cowboys organization. In fact, NAT Jason Witten says that Jerry's
comments about the team were completely fair and in quote,
he feels like he's put a great team together, which
he has, and we have them played to our expectations

(01:48:58):
of where we should be. Yeah, that's the divide that
that's where Jerry's comments were divisive. Right when you have
to like, what are you supposed to say? The owner
says something like, now the owner is full of it,
He's an idiot. What do you expect Jason went to say,
I expect him to say, you gotta catch those which
you said a lot on Monday Night football last you

(01:49:18):
gotta Yeah, now you gotta have that. You gotta get
that one. You know. Let's go down to Booger at
the mobile or the the what was it? What was
that the Booker mobile? Is that the Booger mobile? Book
Booker mobile? Yes, Booker mobile, Yes, Booger. Who's more? Was
it more games are lost in this league than one?
That was Booker Booger's line that people didn't like Mark

(01:49:41):
and grow up Gatle three. That's my test it tour
just on first and ten kind of an inside joke
with us in the studio of I mean everything's a
big play, okay, Dan Patrick. NFL playoffs scenarios coming into
play in Week thirteen, Dug. There are scenarios where the
Saints forty Honors and Patriots good clinch a spot depending

(01:50:01):
on the outcomes of their game and other matchups, which
is interesting because Okay, as of now, playoff teams are um, okay,
the playoff teams are as follows, right, the Patriots, Ravens, Texans, Chiefs, Bills,
and Steelers. Correct. Okay, okay, So four of those teams

(01:50:23):
made the playoffs last year in the a f C,
didn't they? Um? Yeah, Niners, Saints, Packers, Cowboys, Seahawks, Vikings
in the NFC and I believe Seahawks made it, Cowboys
made it, Saints made it three So right now, usually
half the teams don't make it, they made it the
year before. They may break that trend this year. Celtics

(01:50:45):
g M Danny Ainge sold the ESPN that they should
have made more moves during last season's disappointing campaign and
in quote, I think, in hindsight, we should have cleaned
out the roster a bit more to make it easier
for Brad Stevens, more joy for him to coach and quotes,
okay more, joy to coach, Joy to coach. In other words,
Kyrie Irving was a part of the ass think actually

(01:51:07):
exactly how I read it as well. Yes, Blazers forward
Carmelo Anthony told the athletic quotes this and a damn
farewell to her end quote. Yeah, so Carmelo's got more,
he says, yeah, he had twenty five against the Bulls
who stink. So okay, cool, uh, Michigan, stay cool, hook

(01:51:28):
The Michigan stayed held off Georgia today the Maui Invitational
five and Anthony Edwards thirty seven points in the losing effort.
Anthony Edwards has the chance to be the number one
pick in the upcome James Wiseman obviously other one Cole Anthony.
Some people think lamello ball. I would guess Cole Anthony,
Anthony Edwards and James Wise will be after that n
thirty three of those points in the second half, and
that would be the press, get out there and pressed.

(01:51:50):
That was the press. We all we all missed, all
missed on last night's Monday night football game. So what
I want, what you guys to do is go home
and be better we got Thanksgiving games to pick. We're
gonna do so tomorrow. Plus Daniel Jeremiah on The Doug
Gotlip Show. You're on Fox Sports Radio.

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