November 13, 2025 • 35 mins
Doug offers up an analogy to explain the lacking national interest in the college football regular season. Doug welcomes FOX Sports Betting Analyst Chris Fallica onto the show to go over the weekend of college football wagering. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "I Feel A Draft".
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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We're in Minneapolis, Minnesota, home of the Goopers, but we
don't play the Goofers tonight, but the Goopers on Saturday
night play the Tammis of Saint Thomas. That's over in
Saint Paul in five hours, five hours. Boy, we got
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a good show for you. Boys have done a great job.
Chris Flika is going to join us twenty five after
the hour. If you've watched Big Noon Kickoff, you know
he'd as the bear Bets. The bear Bets is also
a podcast, and we'll get his picks on all of
this weekend's games, including the two ranked teams that play
Friday Night one on Fox. In addition to that, I
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think we have a really interesting discussion of coming on
if the customer is always right in professional sports or
collegiate sports whatever. I think Jason has honed in on
a really, really smart argument that I want to have
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as a discussion. We'll do so upcoming in fifteen minutes.
I want to start with another one. So I'm trying
to figure out why I'm not more fired up or
I don't have the energy for these arguments in college football.
As the college football playoff rankings came out the other night,
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and i think I've sort of figured it out, sort of,
and I'm going to relate it to I'm go an
relate to the UFC and something I've always thought about
the UFC and MMA and why it despite the fact
that it has a greater consistency of fan bases, you know,
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like you're gonna have you put on UFC whatever number
they're up to, and the same people are gonna watch
every single time, and the big ones you'll draw in
some of the mainstream but the reason that it doesn't
generate the revenue and maybe the eyes of boxing at
least one of the reasons to me is one of
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the reasons that college football season though really good and
really talented, seems to lack the I don't know, the
social equity right where people aren't arguing talking about it
because they know they'll be a final conclusion, right they'll
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be there'll be a tournament. So there's a little bit
of college basketball and there's a lot of UFC in it.
Here's the argument. Okay, so I'm looking at all of
these teams, and right now, unlike previous years, now previous years,
if we get to week twelve of the college fotball season,
that's we are, by the way, week twelve, and that
counts week zero. So seriously, we're in thirteen weeks. Week twelve,
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we have nine teams, all of whom are in the
biggest conferences, and actually, if you really want to get
down to it, we have eleven team. Eleven teams in
only the biggest the Power for conferences, and Notre Dame
who have one loss or less like that's virtually unheard of.
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So the first part to it is some of the
reason we don't have these unbeloe believable games and these
unbelievable arguments and these is because we still the best
of the best on some level. Haven't all played each other. Right,
Indiana still hasn't played Ohio State. A and M. You know,
A and M for example, is nine to zero on
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the year, but they haven't yet played Texas. They don't
play Georgia. They don't play Alabama unless they play in
the SEC championship game. Right, Alabama has played Georgia. That's
why Georgia has one loss on the season. Outside of that, again,
you have all these one loss teams. So some of
it is that the season and the schedule is built
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for the crescendo. Some of it is that with the
intent of or the belief that you can create greater parody,
there's less parody than ever. The schools that are winning,
by and large not all have spent the most money,
and that's why they have so they have schedules that
are backloaded, and they spend more money. So there's fewer
and fewer upsets than there used to be. Those things
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I do belie to be true. But the last part
is think about when Oregon lost earlier this year to Indiana,
did anybody think Oregon's season was over? The answer is no, Right,
Ole miss lost to Georgia, Right, it would take a
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colossal upset they only have two regular season games remaining. Okay, Florida,
who's already fired their coach upcoming this weekend and then
at Stark Vegas after a week off after Thanksgiving in
the Egg Bowl, and if they survive both of those
two games, they're gonna go to the College wall playoff.
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And what was the it game? I guess the Georgia
game sort of. So here's the UFC argument. Mixed martial arts. Though,
you have some guys who are the best of the
best of the best, and by the account and not
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my opinion, because my opinion honestly really doesn't matter, especially
in mixed martial arts, but by the opinion of many
the best mixed martial artists will have five, six, even
seven losses, you know, two or three easy because it's
not easy, because you can win a fight overall, but
get caught in a bad spot, get hold, get held,
and get tapped out. It happens more often than the
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George Foreman knockout that made him heavyweight champion at forty
years old. It just does the reality of the UFC
is you don't get to duck people the way that
boxers get to duck people. There aren't the tomato cans
the way they're tomato cans for boxers. So you don't
have these dramatically inflated records that appear to be greater
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than they are. But it does draw the attention of
the mainstream fan. Like we can argue back and forth
all you want on how it's it's great to see
the best play the best, but just like fans are
having it, gonna have a tough time like Oklahoma fans
if they lose this weekend. I've said this for a
long time, Like Brent Fetnables has turned this thing around.
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They're way better. John Mattier hasn't been playing well since
he got hurt. Yet even if they lose this weekend
in Alabama, there's a chance, outside chance they lose one
more this year. Like a Missouri game, Missouri is really
good game. Missouri is playing for their College twelve playoff.
Live probably don't get it again. I think Oklahoma's better,
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but there's a world in which they If Oklahoma turns
around and go and goes eight and four on the season,
and they have a home win against Michigan, a home
win against Auburn, that should be seen as a great year.
But because Oklahoma fans are like boxing fans. They're used
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to their teams winning eleven and twelve and minimum ten games.
Really hard to convince people. No, No, you had a
great year. You just played a tougher schedule than you've
ever played, right, that's my argument, my argument and buyer
maybe this is this is meaning to you because neck
you're as big or a bigger college football fan than
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I am. I think one of the reasons we, even
as hardcore college fell fans, but especially the mainstream fan,
we are gonna end up with very likely at most
one undefeated team, and it might be Ohio State, might
be Okay or Ohio State Indiana. One of those two
teams will probably end up undefeated, maybe nobody else does.
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And then we're arguing over these two and three loss teams.
The regular season games don't matter as much because you
can drop one or even drop two and still survive.
And then it takes away from the perception of their greatness,
not the reality of it, the perception of how good
they are because they have two and three losses next
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their name, even though they're playing a far more difficult
schedule than teams in the past played. Okay that's my argument.
Does it make any sense?
Speaker 2 (09:10):
I do think. I do think that it is along
the lines of what Lane Kiffin had previously said on
if we're looking at these teams ten and two teams,
nine to three teams maybe better than eleven and one teams.
And I think that his point is from the SEC
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and the schedule that they play that he fails that
there's a lot more opportunities for losses. And I think
that that's why we actually have a committee to decipher
those things. It's why we look at non conference schedule.
But I do think that your point of do we
not look at say we'll just use Ole Miss for
an example of them being ten and two as not
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being as elite because of those two blemishes, Yeah, I
think we do look at it that way. I think
we've actually always looked at it that way in college football,
and now it's more magnified. In fact, the undefeated team
was a lot of times looked at much more in
a nicer, better fashion than anybody with a loss. And
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if you would even look at the college football playoff
rankings right now, Doug, which is the reason why we're
supposed to have this committee, I don't think that it's
any surprise that you have three unbeatens in the top
three and then you have eight and one, eight and one,
nine and one, nine and one, eight and one. So
they're just grouping everybody by losses, and when you have
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a curved number with your loss, you are going to
look like you are inferior to the team that doesn't
have a loss or just has that one loss.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Yeah, which I think it's a part of human nature
that you and I are admitting, and I don't know
if everybody admits. Is that again, like this Oklahoma team,
if they're in the Big twelve, my expectations, right and
if Texas, what even if Texas was in the Big
twelve and they have one loss right there, eight and one,
with the one loss being the exact same loss to Texas,
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it's viewed greater than the one with two losses. Now,
it just is. And it's one of the things that
we've done with boxing for a long times, Like, yeah,
we fought a bunch of tomato cans. Yeah, but he's
thirty three, and oh, it's like the at least thirty
three and oh, like yeah, but he fought he fought
like three guys that were missing an eye. One guy
was missing a hand, you know. I mean, think of
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Floyd mayweathery Floyd Mayweather. If you ask boxing people, no
one will say Floyd Mayweather's the greatest fighter of all time.
He's really really smart and he was really really smart
at the fight game. From this perspective, his last ten years,
he didn't fight anybody who had any chance of beating him. None.
Even when he thought fought Manny Pacio, he waited like
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three years. And of course when he fought Pacy, how
he had the bad shoulder, but he waited out Pacio
till Pacquiao was out of his prime and was kind
of an old man and there's no way he could lose.
He didn't fight anybody that could beat him, and so
when you look at his record, yeah, he's undefeated, but
I mean he kind of stopped fighting people and knew
how to win fights and used his brain for the
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last ten years of his his ownership of whatever division.
Whereas you know, you go to the Julio Cesar Chavez,
like how many fights do you fight?
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Right?
Speaker 1 (12:22):
But he's you know, the layman would never say that
guy is the greatest fighter ever because he's got like
six seven los. It's like, yeah, he fought like one
hundred times and he fought a bear once. That was hungry.
I just Jason and I were talking today was I
was like, it's a good college for all weekend. Matter
of fact, it's a great college for all weekend. You
got a bunch of ranked teams, you got some you
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got a big game of the SEC, you got Iowa
SC's interesting. I'm interested in a bunch of these things.
But there's no umph to it. We're in November, this
is college football's time, and it's like, yeah, it doesn't
really matter they lose. The good teams are still gonna
play in the playoff anyway. And it really has and
then the numbers change and really has taken away from
the elite teams because so many of them have a loss.
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Now going to sustain two, gonna stain three losses because
all the good teams are now in you know, one
of two leagues.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Really and not to focus on ole Miss, but the
one part where I will differentiate from you is to
your point of ole Miss making the postseason with maybe
two losses on their schedule. If they end up losing,
like I would say that loss at Georgia and what
a magnificent game it was. If they win that game,
now we're talking about why is there a changing of
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the guard in the Ole Miss. Ole Miss knocked off Georgia.
Can they do the same if they would face Alabama
on the championship game. It's Lane Kiffen, It's all of that.
I think that there would be a lot more hype
about that. But I think it just changed our conversation
about Ole Miss. So then when they go and beat Oklahoma,
that's a really, really big win. But maybe we didn't
look at it as as big of a win because
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they were coming off of the loss from the previous week.
So maybe we unfortunately Burial Miss because we just pushed
them aside. I'm not saying that we did, but just
that one blemish now in their in their lost column.
But that game against Oklahoma was very, very big for them,
and so now Ole Miss maybe just has this different look.
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I think it's the point of if they lose, we
have to look at their other games differently. Oregon is
a great example of this past weekend of when they
just go and are able to pull off that crazy
win against Iowa, it would have been a lot different
if Oregon was unbeaten in that scenario, right, like, all
of a sudden, here's an unbeaten squad and we're like, man,
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they were taken to the task, just like Indiana was
to Penn State. But I would almost say what India,
what Oregon accomplished, was much bigger than what Indiana accomplished
this past weekend. But I think Iowa, yeah absolutely.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Yes, yes, hell yeah, hell yes.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
But we look at that Indiana comeback and the Gus
Johnson call and say that was was amazing, Like Oregon's
accomplishments to win that game were much bigger than what
Indiana umplished.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
You and I completely agree, But because they have a
loss next to their name, you're like, okay. And and
I would also say, it's because it's Iowa. And no
matter what, people are always going to doubt Iowa because
they think Iowa couldn't score, and in that particular game
they couldn't. It was a great football game, a great
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football game. It's like it's like I think I said
that on group text. Not all ten seven games are
bad games. Some ten seven games. The one on Thursday
Night Football last week was the Iowa. The Iowa game
was not was just a well played, not great offensive,
hard hitting. It was a good football game, and then
Oregon really, on one pass completed late, ends up kicking
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a field goal to win it.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
I know it's ifs and butts, but if Iowa had
won that game, and if they were to win on
Saturday against usc in one out, if they won their
final game, they would be in the playoff. Why are
you guys doing this to me? Just? I know, I know,
but but I guess Sam, do you?
Speaker 1 (16:04):
I understand you look at it through a lens of
an Iowa fan, But is what we're saying making sense?
And I don't think it's the only reason. Like somebody
tweeted at us too many stoppages. It's true, it's a
harder to watch game because there's so many more plays
and there are a lot of stoppages, but that's more
in stadium than anything else. In stadium, stoppages are just death,
it's really really.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
They've done a better job though with rule I mean,
adding the two minute warning I'm not a fan of,
but they've done a better job in changing rules to
try to make things go faster.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Yes, yes, and the clock running now as opposed to
stopping with every incomplete pass is better. Otherwise you were
getting four and a half hour games. It was interminably. Yeah,
I'm talking about more of perception, lead up to games,
reaction to games. It's just changed because of look, they're
all professionals now, everybody bets on them now. A lot
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of things have changed, but one of the major parts
have changed. We don't we rarely will end with no
losses or one losses and every game really really matters.
Whereas the teams with no losses, they can lose the
game or maybe two over the last month of the season
and still make the college ball play and we never
had that before.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
I'm okay with that, though, I'm okay with the relative
lack of drama right now. I think, you know we
I think that if you take care of business in
the first half of the season and you're undefeated, and
you lose a game or two in November, I still
think that that's, you know, your resume shoul hold up.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
I have argued that, and it's up to the fan.
It's maybe their responsibility, but there are games on the
schedule that you don't realize are important games. I remember
last year, I think it was Illinois and Nebraska. Maybe
it was the year before they played a Friday night game,
maybe late September, early October, but they were both had
really good records at that time. I think it was
last season and that essentially could have been a college
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football playoff elimination game for whoever wins that contest. And
I think that's we almost have to change our thinking
towards this and how we're looking at these because there
are more games. There's no doubt there are more games
that are meaningful. They may not mean as much, but
there are more games that are meaningful. With this current
format in college football, there.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Are more games that meaningful and there and there are
more games that are meaningful, but their final score is not.
It's a it's just a different way of doing something
which we've all been fans of since, like birth right,
and it's different to cheer for it. It's like, wait,
what matters? What doesn't matter? It's very confusing and and Sam,
to your point, you're right, the drama is kind of cooked,
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baked in and the last couple weeks are going to
be great, But that's not what college football has always been.
That's the big.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Thing I've always enjoyed.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
I was just gonna say, I've always I've always been
a proponent of allowing teams to lose a game or two.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
No, no, no, listen again, you're right. I mean the truth
is that now we're allowing coaches to have their teams evolve. Right,
that's you should be well, Doug.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Look at Iowa losing at Iowa State early on by
a field goal and then losing by five really seven
to Indiana, and then they had a chance, if they
had beaten organ to put themselves back in the conversation,
and that grace, I think is a good thing to
be allowed.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
I agree. I'm just telling you that's never how college
football was.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
I know, I know I was.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Every week it matters, and you lose one, you're like,
oh my god, we may be done. You lose too,
it's over. Now. It's like you lose two, Like I
don't lose a third, But it all depends on who
that third is too, and what everybody else does.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
Yeah, I'm not I'm definitely. I don't think Iowa was
in the conversation. But I look at a team like Vanderbilt,
like there I have two losses, Like the teams that
are kind of right on the you know, right on
the edge of making the playoff. They're the ones that
have the best plots going on right now, like the
greatest drama.
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Your picks for the weekend. At college football, we got
ranked teams on a Friday one on Fox The Gophers.
The Gophers are going to try and row that boat
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in Oregon the Ducks. This is kind of that classic
sandwich game, right they survive Iowa. They got USC at
home next week and the Gophers come in. Minnesota's Golden
Gophers have won three of their last four. They did
get stomped by Iowa. That does happen on the road.
It's not about winning, it's about keeping it close and
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covering right The Ducks are twenty five and a half
point favorites. The total is forty four and a half.
Who do you like, Fleaks.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
It certainly feels like a game that under what would
be that would be right, the right way to go.
I know in Minnesota is a side that you might
want to look at as well. I feel better about
under forty four and a half. This feels like a
game that Oregon defensively will kind of dominate. Minnesota has
really struggled offensively away from home this year, and you
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kind of figure when the sheriff away with the Oregon
with the injuries that they have wide receiver to Decroy
Moore and their tight end as well a lot of running,
a lot of running clock. The reason I don't want
to take Minnesota is that this could easily be like
a like like like a twenty seven nothing type game,
and then Minnesota doesn't cover under forty four and a
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half for me, Like you said, the wee wee can
head out from the big game with sc coming in.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Okay, let's go also tonight not on our network instead,
it's it's on ESPN if anybody can see it. Clemson
is a two and a half point dog. At at Louisville.
I mean this, if you would have told me that
this is these were the records this but Louisville who
was playing for an a SC championship. Then they lose
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at home to Cal in overtime. Now they got to
bounce back the week before they go down to SMU
and take on Clemson home again, Clemson to a half
point dog total stick two and a half.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Yeah, you would have never thought that before the year
that Clemson would have been a dog here. Louisville without
Isaac Brown I think is a risky proposition. I know
the backup isn't a bad player, but the fact that
Clemson has actually put up a bunch of points against Duke,
that bounced back that did beat Florida State last week,
it shows me that they've still got some fight. And
this is one of those games ranked opponent. It's a
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chance for Clemson to maybe salvage a little something from
their season. Tiger's getting two and a half here, typically
have had the last year at Death Valley, Louisville Woden
there and absolutely we're on the ball down their throat.
Like I said, no, Isaac Brown might be a different
story there I'd take Clemson plus the points.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
There Stet Gottlieb show, He're on Fox Sports Radio. Okay,
let's get to Saturday, where we have a huge lineup
of ranked teams, some of them on the road. Let's
start with Michigan. Okay, the classic home dog. Northwestern's a
twelve and a half point dog, and the Wolverines still
have hope of getting the College football playoff totals forty
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one and a half.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Yeah, I'm I'm I'm on my way actually the Wrickley
Field right now for begining kickoff, on my way to
the airport to get to Wrickley Field, I should say
for Ben doom kickoff. Every part of me wants to
take Northwestern plus the points here, but there's still that
little bit of hesitation because ultimately, I'm not sure like
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this can be twenty four to ten Michigan and Northwestern
doesn't get the cover. I know typically in the Northwestern
has struggled with teams that can have athleticism on the
outside and give up some big plays, and Michigan really
isn't that It feels like an underplay. I think the
Northwestern team total would be an even better way to
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so look at this because I do think that after
a little bit of a hiccup, Lake Marcandell and that
Michigan defense will come to play. So I'd be looking
towards a Northwestern team total under. If you had to
pick aside one way or another, I guess I'd ultimately
lean Northwestern. But a buyer beware.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Okay, buyer beware. I got a couple more to ask
you about. Oklahoma take it on Alabama. Huge game for
both teams, sooners, especially because the loss looks like it's
getting closer to knocking them out of the College Fall playoff.
They're five and a half point dog at Bama. The
totals forty five and a half, seen as a fairly
low scoring game.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
It's amazing because every week it seems like we keep
asking ourselves the question of Ken's Alabama continually get up
for all of these ranked games and these big games
that they have. But if you look at Kaitlin de
boor like his coaching record or is a power fore
head coach, it's kind of just been there. He's seventeen
and two against top ten against rank teams, rather games
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to sign up by a touchdown unless he's sixteen and four,
so it will. We'll talk with Joe Schwartz my coast
of Barbitz earlier and he really likinged it to like.
What Alabama has done this year has been a lot
like that twenty twenty three Washington team that got to
the national championship game where every week they found themselves
in a close game and wind up pulling it out.
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And give Alabama a ton of credit for that. A
lot of people like Oklahoma this week. I see why
the number has come down quite a bit. It's moved
off of that six. So I don't know if I
could take five and a half right now, because six
and such a up an important number. I will say this,
if you do like Oklahoma, maybe you want to maybe
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take a chance on them to make the college football playoff.
I think the money line in this game is like
plus one ninety or so. The money line I knowe
you to make the playoff is like plus two thirty
five or so. And the reason I say that is
if they win here, they're gonna have the massive win
at Alabama, and then they have Missouri and LSU both
in Norman to finish the season. In those games now
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look like much easier propositions with Missouri not having Bobabula
and with LSU being a dumpster fire. So in chance,
with a lot of Oklahoma finished ten to two, if
they can get out of a fee town with the.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Win, I would take it on USC. We saw Iowa
as a heartbreaker to Oregon at home. Now they travel
to sc SC the week before they play Oregon is
a six and a half point favorite. Totals forty eight
a half.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Then the question I have about this, and again, people
I think like Iowa, they think they can ugly this
game up. But my question and my basic simple handicap
here is what makes you think that this game is
going to go any differently scriptlized than the game with
Michigan did a couple of weeks back at Teliseum. It's
a worse offense than Michigan's. Maybe the defense is a
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little bit better, maybe the offensive line is a little
bit better. But the USC, I think has the advance
on the perimeter. I think under a touchdown now I'd
be gladly laying the points here. With that, say against
an Iowa team that look, we've seen them bounce back
before after losing Indiana. They bounce back after after losing
the other games they lost it slipping in my mind
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right now, who the heck else? Iowa State as well,
Like they bounced back from these losses before, but I
think this is going to be a much sass, a
much different team at the Colisee. And then they are
on the.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Road, Texas taking on in Georgia. Horns need to win
this game. They're six and a half point dog in
Athens totals forty nine and a half.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Well, well, we know Kirby has never lost a game
at home to a top ten team. We know Sark
has only pulled one upset as an head coach of Texas.
That was the game Alabama a couple of years ago.
I like the long Horns plus the six and a
half here was obviously the best game of the year
that Georgia played last week blowing out Mississippi State in Starkville.
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But at the same time, here you look at Texas.
They are as healthy as they've been now on the
defensive side of the ball, certainly at the safety position.
They're running backs are in a much better position now
than they were a couple of weeks ago. Much healthier.
Just seemed to lead show that burst in practice. But
Texas a team that I think have they beat either
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Georgia or A and M. At the end of the year,
they're going to have an argument to make the college
football Playoff. But I think I get the other side
of it too, where people can say, Okay, well, before this,
you beat Vanderbilt a home, big deal, You're supposed to
be Vandy. You get blown out at the Swamp, you
beat Oklahoma with an injured John Mattier, and you very
(28:41):
easily could have lost on the road. In Mississippi State
and Kentucky, they want a couple of overtime games. So I
get the whole buyer beware here with Texas, But I
think grabbing six and a half here and against a
Georgia team which prior to last week had to really
toll it at anyone, I think taking the horns and
the points here is the play.
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Speaker 5 (30:38):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Hey there, Daddy, what you got up the Doug?
Speaker 2 (30:45):
The game today is.
Speaker 5 (30:51):
I feel a draft?
Speaker 2 (30:52):
All right? The draft order is Sam first, I'll pick second,
Doug your third, then Jason fourth and fifth, and we
swing it back in reverse order as we draft the
best rivalries in NFL history. Another rivalry uniform tonight. Jets
and Patriots had a rivalry for a while. They will
face off in their AFC showdown this evening. Sam, you
(31:13):
are on the clock for best rivalries in NFL history
with the number one overall pick.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
I'll take a rival in the rivalry draft.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
Close to my heart and a very old rivalry in
the NFL. Packers Bears, Pack in the NFL. Actually, there you.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Go, pack the oldest Bears is off the board. I
didn't love this rivalry, but I respected the rivalry Steelers
Ravens for a long time, good decade. It's just it
was peak NFL with those two teams. So I'll take
Steelers Ravens at number two. Doug your third.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
So many choices here, so many choices. Yeah, I'm gonna
go with the Jaguars. Just kidding, just kidding, Cowboys and
their rivals with everybody, I'm gonna go Cowboys, Eagles, Cowboys
and choice. But look, Cowboys Redskins in the eighties and
(32:15):
nineties was probably better.
Speaker 7 (32:16):
Wait, let's gonna sam this up here. What are we doing?
Speaker 1 (32:18):
But but again, Cowboys Eagles. The success of the Eagles,
despite the glamour of the Cowboys, the classic rivalry of
two teams play each other twice a year every year.
One is like the second city. Just the whole thing works.
Eagles Cowboys. That's my pick.
Speaker 7 (32:36):
Doug tried to sam my fourth pick up, Could we
flag that.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
All?
Speaker 2 (32:42):
I've got my own pick because I was saving that rivalry.
I even pulled audio to play for Cowboys Eagles, and
now I can't even use it. I feel like I'm.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Do you think it was too early?
Speaker 2 (32:54):
I thought it was too early because I thought i'd
for surely get it in the second round, but apparently not.
Speaker 7 (32:58):
I call a foul on samming it up, salmon it up,
two free throws. So, just to go in Doug's face
since he already ruined this, it is the Cowboys versus
the Redskins, and you're like, no, they're called the Commanders. Now,
screw you. We all remember Cowboys, Redskins. That's all I
(33:19):
care about. Cowboys Redskins at four. And just to rub
it in Doug's face even more with an even bigger Cowboys,
it's the forty nine ers. Cowboys forty nine ers. In
the nineties, it reached its peak. But this goes back
to the seventies. Gentlemen's seventies.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
All right, Doug, you're back on the clock.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
There's some new rivalries. They're good. I'm gonna go h
here's an old one from when we were when we
were kids, the Jets and the Dolphins. The Jets and
the Dolphins. That was a great rivalry back in the day.
Kat currently now gets and the Dolphins.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
All right, I am up at number seven. A lot
of good choices here, and I think, gosh, I'm gonna
go with the Falcons and Saints. They're not slashy teams.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
No, it's the best football rival in the South.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Yeah. They hate each other. They cannot stand each other.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
So Falcons and Saints. I think, if you're not familiar
with it, what are the best rivalries that we've got
in the NFL?
Speaker 7 (34:34):
Quick story about that, Quick story about that. For whatever reason,
the Falcons loved the Jim Rome show back in the day,
and they sent us Falcons gear In nineteen ninety nine
or two thousand. I went down to Cues and Brentwood.
I'm sure Dan's very familiar shoes and Brentwood on a Sunday,
just wearing my Falcons gar, not even knowing. Harry Connock
Junior was at the bar and he kept giving me
(34:54):
death stairs and I kept looking at my buddy. I'm like,
why is Harry Connick Junior staring at me? What's going
going on here? Saints were playing the Falcons that day.
I thought I was showing up and trying to talk
some trash to him with my T shirt.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Trying to be that guy.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
All right, if I could just whisper your name, love,
Harry Conny Junter. All right, guys, this, uh, they don't
play every year, and the San Francisco forty nine Ers
are really not in San Francisco anymore, and the Oakland
Raiders are in Vegas. But I'm gonna take the Niners
and the Raiders because they have those two fan bases
do not like.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Each other, especially in the parking lots.
Speaker 5 (35:28):
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We're in Minneapolis, Minnesota, home of the Goopers, but we
don't play the Goofers tonight, but the Goopers on Saturday
night play the Tammis of Saint Thomas. That's over in
Saint Paul in five hours, five hours. Boy, we got
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a good show for you. Boys have done a great job.
Chris Flika is going to join us twenty five after
the hour. If you've watched Big Noon Kickoff, you know
he'd as the bear Bets. The bear Bets is also
a podcast, and we'll get his picks on all of
this weekend's games, including the two ranked teams that play
Friday Night one on Fox. In addition to that, I
(01:14):
think we have a really interesting discussion of coming on
if the customer is always right in professional sports or
collegiate sports whatever. I think Jason has honed in on
a really, really smart argument that I want to have
(01:34):
as a discussion. We'll do so upcoming in fifteen minutes.
I want to start with another one. So I'm trying
to figure out why I'm not more fired up or
I don't have the energy for these arguments in college football.
As the college football playoff rankings came out the other night,
(01:57):
and i think I've sort of figured it out, sort of,
and I'm going to relate it to I'm go an
relate to the UFC and something I've always thought about
the UFC and MMA and why it despite the fact
that it has a greater consistency of fan bases, you know,
(02:20):
like you're gonna have you put on UFC whatever number
they're up to, and the same people are gonna watch
every single time, and the big ones you'll draw in
some of the mainstream but the reason that it doesn't
generate the revenue and maybe the eyes of boxing at
least one of the reasons to me is one of
(02:44):
the reasons that college football season though really good and
really talented, seems to lack the I don't know, the
social equity right where people aren't arguing talking about it
because they know they'll be a final conclusion, right they'll
(03:06):
be there'll be a tournament. So there's a little bit
of college basketball and there's a lot of UFC in it.
Here's the argument. Okay, so I'm looking at all of
these teams, and right now, unlike previous years, now previous years,
if we get to week twelve of the college fotball season,
that's we are, by the way, week twelve, and that
counts week zero. So seriously, we're in thirteen weeks. Week twelve,
(03:30):
we have nine teams, all of whom are in the
biggest conferences, and actually, if you really want to get
down to it, we have eleven team. Eleven teams in
only the biggest the Power for conferences, and Notre Dame
who have one loss or less like that's virtually unheard of.
(03:54):
So the first part to it is some of the
reason we don't have these unbeloe believable games and these
unbelievable arguments and these is because we still the best
of the best on some level. Haven't all played each other. Right,
Indiana still hasn't played Ohio State. A and M. You know,
A and M for example, is nine to zero on
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the year, but they haven't yet played Texas. They don't
play Georgia. They don't play Alabama unless they play in
the SEC championship game. Right, Alabama has played Georgia. That's
why Georgia has one loss on the season. Outside of that, again,
you have all these one loss teams. So some of
it is that the season and the schedule is built
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for the crescendo. Some of it is that with the
intent of or the belief that you can create greater parody,
there's less parody than ever. The schools that are winning,
by and large not all have spent the most money,
and that's why they have so they have schedules that
are backloaded, and they spend more money. So there's fewer
and fewer upsets than there used to be. Those things
(04:59):
I do belie to be true. But the last part
is think about when Oregon lost earlier this year to Indiana,
did anybody think Oregon's season was over? The answer is no, Right,
Ole miss lost to Georgia, Right, it would take a
(05:23):
colossal upset they only have two regular season games remaining. Okay, Florida,
who's already fired their coach upcoming this weekend and then
at Stark Vegas after a week off after Thanksgiving in
the Egg Bowl, and if they survive both of those
two games, they're gonna go to the College wall playoff.
(05:45):
And what was the it game? I guess the Georgia
game sort of. So here's the UFC argument. Mixed martial arts. Though,
you have some guys who are the best of the
best of the best, and by the account and not
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my opinion, because my opinion honestly really doesn't matter, especially
in mixed martial arts, but by the opinion of many
the best mixed martial artists will have five, six, even
seven losses, you know, two or three easy because it's
not easy, because you can win a fight overall, but
get caught in a bad spot, get hold, get held,
and get tapped out. It happens more often than the
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George Foreman knockout that made him heavyweight champion at forty
years old. It just does the reality of the UFC
is you don't get to duck people the way that
boxers get to duck people. There aren't the tomato cans
the way they're tomato cans for boxers. So you don't
have these dramatically inflated records that appear to be greater
(06:53):
than they are. But it does draw the attention of
the mainstream fan. Like we can argue back and forth
all you want on how it's it's great to see
the best play the best, but just like fans are
having it, gonna have a tough time like Oklahoma fans
if they lose this weekend. I've said this for a
long time, Like Brent Fetnables has turned this thing around.
(07:15):
They're way better. John Mattier hasn't been playing well since
he got hurt. Yet even if they lose this weekend
in Alabama, there's a chance, outside chance they lose one
more this year. Like a Missouri game, Missouri is really
good game. Missouri is playing for their College twelve playoff.
Live probably don't get it again. I think Oklahoma's better,
(07:35):
but there's a world in which they If Oklahoma turns
around and go and goes eight and four on the season,
and they have a home win against Michigan, a home
win against Auburn, that should be seen as a great year.
But because Oklahoma fans are like boxing fans. They're used
(07:55):
to their teams winning eleven and twelve and minimum ten games.
Really hard to convince people. No, No, you had a
great year. You just played a tougher schedule than you've
ever played, right, that's my argument, my argument and buyer
maybe this is this is meaning to you because neck
you're as big or a bigger college football fan than
(08:16):
I am. I think one of the reasons we, even
as hardcore college fell fans, but especially the mainstream fan,
we are gonna end up with very likely at most
one undefeated team, and it might be Ohio State, might
be Okay or Ohio State Indiana. One of those two
teams will probably end up undefeated, maybe nobody else does.
(08:38):
And then we're arguing over these two and three loss teams.
The regular season games don't matter as much because you
can drop one or even drop two and still survive.
And then it takes away from the perception of their greatness,
not the reality of it, the perception of how good
they are because they have two and three losses next
(08:58):
their name, even though they're playing a far more difficult
schedule than teams in the past played. Okay that's my argument.
Does it make any sense?
Speaker 2 (09:10):
I do think. I do think that it is along
the lines of what Lane Kiffin had previously said on
if we're looking at these teams ten and two teams,
nine to three teams maybe better than eleven and one teams.
And I think that his point is from the SEC
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and the schedule that they play that he fails that
there's a lot more opportunities for losses. And I think
that that's why we actually have a committee to decipher
those things. It's why we look at non conference schedule.
But I do think that your point of do we
not look at say we'll just use Ole Miss for
an example of them being ten and two as not
(09:52):
being as elite because of those two blemishes, Yeah, I
think we do look at it that way. I think
we've actually always looked at it that way in college football,
and now it's more magnified. In fact, the undefeated team
was a lot of times looked at much more in
a nicer, better fashion than anybody with a loss. And
(10:12):
if you would even look at the college football playoff
rankings right now, Doug, which is the reason why we're
supposed to have this committee, I don't think that it's
any surprise that you have three unbeatens in the top
three and then you have eight and one, eight and one,
nine and one, nine and one, eight and one. So
they're just grouping everybody by losses, and when you have
(10:32):
a curved number with your loss, you are going to
look like you are inferior to the team that doesn't
have a loss or just has that one loss.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Yeah, which I think it's a part of human nature
that you and I are admitting, and I don't know
if everybody admits. Is that again, like this Oklahoma team,
if they're in the Big twelve, my expectations, right and
if Texas, what even if Texas was in the Big
twelve and they have one loss right there, eight and one,
with the one loss being the exact same loss to Texas,
(11:04):
it's viewed greater than the one with two losses. Now,
it just is. And it's one of the things that
we've done with boxing for a long times, Like, yeah,
we fought a bunch of tomato cans. Yeah, but he's
thirty three, and oh, it's like the at least thirty
three and oh, like yeah, but he fought he fought
like three guys that were missing an eye. One guy
was missing a hand, you know. I mean, think of
(11:27):
Floyd mayweathery Floyd Mayweather. If you ask boxing people, no
one will say Floyd Mayweather's the greatest fighter of all time.
He's really really smart and he was really really smart
at the fight game. From this perspective, his last ten years,
he didn't fight anybody who had any chance of beating him. None.
Even when he thought fought Manny Pacio, he waited like
(11:47):
three years. And of course when he fought Pacy, how
he had the bad shoulder, but he waited out Pacio
till Pacquiao was out of his prime and was kind
of an old man and there's no way he could lose.
He didn't fight anybody that could beat him, and so
when you look at his record, yeah, he's undefeated, but
I mean he kind of stopped fighting people and knew
how to win fights and used his brain for the
(12:10):
last ten years of his his ownership of whatever division.
Whereas you know, you go to the Julio Cesar Chavez,
like how many fights do you fight?
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Right?
Speaker 1 (12:22):
But he's you know, the layman would never say that
guy is the greatest fighter ever because he's got like
six seven los. It's like, yeah, he fought like one
hundred times and he fought a bear once. That was hungry.
I just Jason and I were talking today was I
was like, it's a good college for all weekend. Matter
of fact, it's a great college for all weekend. You
got a bunch of ranked teams, you got some you
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got a big game of the SEC, you got Iowa
SC's interesting. I'm interested in a bunch of these things.
But there's no umph to it. We're in November, this
is college football's time, and it's like, yeah, it doesn't
really matter they lose. The good teams are still gonna
play in the playoff anyway. And it really has and
then the numbers change and really has taken away from
the elite teams because so many of them have a loss.
(13:05):
Now going to sustain two, gonna stain three losses because
all the good teams are now in you know, one
of two leagues.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Really and not to focus on ole Miss, but the
one part where I will differentiate from you is to
your point of ole Miss making the postseason with maybe
two losses on their schedule. If they end up losing,
like I would say that loss at Georgia and what
a magnificent game it was. If they win that game,
now we're talking about why is there a changing of
(13:34):
the guard in the Ole Miss. Ole Miss knocked off Georgia.
Can they do the same if they would face Alabama
on the championship game. It's Lane Kiffen, It's all of that.
I think that there would be a lot more hype
about that. But I think it just changed our conversation
about Ole Miss. So then when they go and beat Oklahoma,
that's a really, really big win. But maybe we didn't
look at it as as big of a win because
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they were coming off of the loss from the previous week.
So maybe we unfortunately Burial Miss because we just pushed
them aside. I'm not saying that we did, but just
that one blemish now in their in their lost column.
But that game against Oklahoma was very, very big for them,
and so now Ole Miss maybe just has this different look.
(14:14):
I think it's the point of if they lose, we
have to look at their other games differently. Oregon is
a great example of this past weekend of when they
just go and are able to pull off that crazy
win against Iowa, it would have been a lot different
if Oregon was unbeaten in that scenario, right, like, all
of a sudden, here's an unbeaten squad and we're like, man,
(14:36):
they were taken to the task, just like Indiana was
to Penn State. But I would almost say what India,
what Oregon accomplished, was much bigger than what Indiana accomplished
this past weekend. But I think Iowa, yeah absolutely.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Yes, yes, hell yeah, hell yes.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
But we look at that Indiana comeback and the Gus
Johnson call and say that was was amazing, Like Oregon's
accomplishments to win that game were much bigger than what
Indiana umplished.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
You and I completely agree, But because they have a
loss next to their name, you're like, okay. And and
I would also say, it's because it's Iowa. And no
matter what, people are always going to doubt Iowa because
they think Iowa couldn't score, and in that particular game
they couldn't. It was a great football game, a great
(15:21):
football game. It's like it's like I think I said
that on group text. Not all ten seven games are
bad games. Some ten seven games. The one on Thursday
Night Football last week was the Iowa. The Iowa game
was not was just a well played, not great offensive,
hard hitting. It was a good football game, and then
Oregon really, on one pass completed late, ends up kicking
(15:43):
a field goal to win it.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
I know it's ifs and butts, but if Iowa had
won that game, and if they were to win on
Saturday against usc in one out, if they won their
final game, they would be in the playoff. Why are
you guys doing this to me? Just? I know, I know,
but but I guess Sam, do you?
Speaker 1 (16:04):
I understand you look at it through a lens of
an Iowa fan, But is what we're saying making sense?
And I don't think it's the only reason. Like somebody
tweeted at us too many stoppages. It's true, it's a
harder to watch game because there's so many more plays
and there are a lot of stoppages, but that's more
in stadium than anything else. In stadium, stoppages are just death,
it's really really.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
They've done a better job though with rule I mean,
adding the two minute warning I'm not a fan of,
but they've done a better job in changing rules to
try to make things go faster.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Yes, yes, and the clock running now as opposed to
stopping with every incomplete pass is better. Otherwise you were
getting four and a half hour games. It was interminably. Yeah,
I'm talking about more of perception, lead up to games,
reaction to games. It's just changed because of look, they're
all professionals now, everybody bets on them now. A lot
(16:56):
of things have changed, but one of the major parts
have changed. We don't we rarely will end with no
losses or one losses and every game really really matters.
Whereas the teams with no losses, they can lose the
game or maybe two over the last month of the season
and still make the college ball play and we never
had that before.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
I'm okay with that, though, I'm okay with the relative
lack of drama right now. I think, you know we
I think that if you take care of business in
the first half of the season and you're undefeated, and
you lose a game or two in November, I still
think that that's, you know, your resume shoul hold up.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
I have argued that, and it's up to the fan.
It's maybe their responsibility, but there are games on the
schedule that you don't realize are important games. I remember
last year, I think it was Illinois and Nebraska. Maybe
it was the year before they played a Friday night game,
maybe late September, early October, but they were both had
really good records at that time. I think it was
last season and that essentially could have been a college
(17:55):
football playoff elimination game for whoever wins that contest. And
I think that's we almost have to change our thinking
towards this and how we're looking at these because there
are more games. There's no doubt there are more games
that are meaningful. They may not mean as much, but
there are more games that are meaningful. With this current
format in college football, there.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Are more games that meaningful and there and there are
more games that are meaningful, but their final score is not.
It's a it's just a different way of doing something
which we've all been fans of since, like birth right,
and it's different to cheer for it. It's like, wait,
what matters? What doesn't matter? It's very confusing and and Sam,
to your point, you're right, the drama is kind of cooked,
(18:37):
baked in and the last couple weeks are going to
be great, But that's not what college football has always been.
That's the big.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Thing I've always enjoyed.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
I was just gonna say, I've always I've always been
a proponent of allowing teams to lose a game or two.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
No, no, no, listen again, you're right. I mean the truth
is that now we're allowing coaches to have their teams evolve. Right,
that's you should be well, Doug.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Look at Iowa losing at Iowa State early on by
a field goal and then losing by five really seven
to Indiana, and then they had a chance, if they
had beaten organ to put themselves back in the conversation,
and that grace, I think is a good thing to
be allowed.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
I agree. I'm just telling you that's never how college
football was.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
I know, I know I was.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Every week it matters, and you lose one, you're like,
oh my god, we may be done. You lose too,
it's over. Now. It's like you lose two, Like I
don't lose a third, But it all depends on who
that third is too, and what everybody else does.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
Yeah, I'm not I'm definitely. I don't think Iowa was
in the conversation. But I look at a team like Vanderbilt,
like there I have two losses, Like the teams that
are kind of right on the you know, right on
the edge of making the playoff. They're the ones that
have the best plots going on right now, like the
greatest drama.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
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Your picks for the weekend. At college football, we got
ranked teams on a Friday one on Fox The Gophers.
The Gophers are going to try and row that boat
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in Oregon the Ducks. This is kind of that classic
sandwich game, right they survive Iowa. They got USC at
home next week and the Gophers come in. Minnesota's Golden
Gophers have won three of their last four. They did
get stomped by Iowa. That does happen on the road.
It's not about winning, it's about keeping it close and
(20:40):
covering right The Ducks are twenty five and a half
point favorites. The total is forty four and a half.
Who do you like, Fleaks.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
It certainly feels like a game that under what would
be that would be right, the right way to go.
I know in Minnesota is a side that you might
want to look at as well. I feel better about
under forty four and a half. This feels like a
game that Oregon defensively will kind of dominate. Minnesota has
really struggled offensively away from home this year, and you
(21:09):
kind of figure when the sheriff away with the Oregon
with the injuries that they have wide receiver to Decroy
Moore and their tight end as well a lot of running,
a lot of running clock. The reason I don't want
to take Minnesota is that this could easily be like
a like like like a twenty seven nothing type game,
and then Minnesota doesn't cover under forty four and a
(21:31):
half for me, Like you said, the wee wee can
head out from the big game with sc coming in.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Okay, let's go also tonight not on our network instead,
it's it's on ESPN if anybody can see it. Clemson
is a two and a half point dog. At at Louisville.
I mean this, if you would have told me that
this is these were the records this but Louisville who
was playing for an a SC championship. Then they lose
(22:00):
at home to Cal in overtime. Now they got to
bounce back the week before they go down to SMU
and take on Clemson home again, Clemson to a half
point dog total stick two and a half.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Yeah, you would have never thought that before the year
that Clemson would have been a dog here. Louisville without
Isaac Brown I think is a risky proposition. I know
the backup isn't a bad player, but the fact that
Clemson has actually put up a bunch of points against Duke,
that bounced back that did beat Florida State last week,
it shows me that they've still got some fight. And
this is one of those games ranked opponent. It's a
(22:33):
chance for Clemson to maybe salvage a little something from
their season. Tiger's getting two and a half here, typically
have had the last year at Death Valley, Louisville Woden
there and absolutely we're on the ball down their throat.
Like I said, no, Isaac Brown might be a different
story there I'd take Clemson plus the points.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
There Stet Gottlieb show, He're on Fox Sports Radio. Okay,
let's get to Saturday, where we have a huge lineup
of ranked teams, some of them on the road. Let's
start with Michigan. Okay, the classic home dog. Northwestern's a
twelve and a half point dog, and the Wolverines still
have hope of getting the College football playoff totals forty
(23:11):
one and a half.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Yeah, I'm I'm I'm on my way actually the Wrickley
Field right now for begining kickoff, on my way to
the airport to get to Wrickley Field, I should say
for Ben doom kickoff. Every part of me wants to
take Northwestern plus the points here, but there's still that
little bit of hesitation because ultimately, I'm not sure like
(23:36):
this can be twenty four to ten Michigan and Northwestern
doesn't get the cover. I know typically in the Northwestern
has struggled with teams that can have athleticism on the
outside and give up some big plays, and Michigan really
isn't that It feels like an underplay. I think the
Northwestern team total would be an even better way to
(23:57):
so look at this because I do think that after
a little bit of a hiccup, Lake Marcandell and that
Michigan defense will come to play. So I'd be looking
towards a Northwestern team total under. If you had to
pick aside one way or another, I guess I'd ultimately
lean Northwestern. But a buyer beware.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Okay, buyer beware. I got a couple more to ask
you about. Oklahoma take it on Alabama. Huge game for
both teams, sooners, especially because the loss looks like it's
getting closer to knocking them out of the College Fall playoff.
They're five and a half point dog at Bama. The
totals forty five and a half, seen as a fairly
low scoring game.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
It's amazing because every week it seems like we keep
asking ourselves the question of Ken's Alabama continually get up
for all of these ranked games and these big games
that they have. But if you look at Kaitlin de
boor like his coaching record or is a power fore
head coach, it's kind of just been there. He's seventeen
and two against top ten against rank teams, rather games
(25:00):
to sign up by a touchdown unless he's sixteen and four,
so it will. We'll talk with Joe Schwartz my coast
of Barbitz earlier and he really likinged it to like.
What Alabama has done this year has been a lot
like that twenty twenty three Washington team that got to
the national championship game where every week they found themselves
in a close game and wind up pulling it out.
(25:21):
And give Alabama a ton of credit for that. A
lot of people like Oklahoma this week. I see why
the number has come down quite a bit. It's moved
off of that six. So I don't know if I
could take five and a half right now, because six
and such a up an important number. I will say this,
if you do like Oklahoma, maybe you want to maybe
(25:43):
take a chance on them to make the college football playoff.
I think the money line in this game is like
plus one ninety or so. The money line I knowe
you to make the playoff is like plus two thirty
five or so. And the reason I say that is
if they win here, they're gonna have the massive win
at Alabama, and then they have Missouri and LSU both
in Norman to finish the season. In those games now
(26:06):
look like much easier propositions with Missouri not having Bobabula
and with LSU being a dumpster fire. So in chance,
with a lot of Oklahoma finished ten to two, if
they can get out of a fee town with the.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Win, I would take it on USC. We saw Iowa
as a heartbreaker to Oregon at home. Now they travel
to sc SC the week before they play Oregon is
a six and a half point favorite. Totals forty eight
a half.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Then the question I have about this, and again, people
I think like Iowa, they think they can ugly this
game up. But my question and my basic simple handicap
here is what makes you think that this game is
going to go any differently scriptlized than the game with
Michigan did a couple of weeks back at Teliseum. It's
a worse offense than Michigan's. Maybe the defense is a
(26:55):
little bit better, maybe the offensive line is a little
bit better. But the USC, I think has the advance
on the perimeter. I think under a touchdown now I'd
be gladly laying the points here. With that, say against
an Iowa team that look, we've seen them bounce back
before after losing Indiana. They bounce back after after losing
the other games they lost it slipping in my mind
(27:17):
right now, who the heck else? Iowa State as well,
Like they bounced back from these losses before, but I
think this is going to be a much sass, a
much different team at the Colisee. And then they are
on the.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Road, Texas taking on in Georgia. Horns need to win
this game. They're six and a half point dog in
Athens totals forty nine and a half.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Well, well, we know Kirby has never lost a game
at home to a top ten team. We know Sark
has only pulled one upset as an head coach of Texas.
That was the game Alabama a couple of years ago.
I like the long Horns plus the six and a
half here was obviously the best game of the year
that Georgia played last week blowing out Mississippi State in Starkville.
(27:56):
But at the same time, here you look at Texas.
They are as healthy as they've been now on the
defensive side of the ball, certainly at the safety position.
They're running backs are in a much better position now
than they were a couple of weeks ago. Much healthier.
Just seemed to lead show that burst in practice. But
Texas a team that I think have they beat either
(28:18):
Georgia or A and M. At the end of the year,
they're going to have an argument to make the college
football Playoff. But I think I get the other side
of it too, where people can say, Okay, well, before this,
you beat Vanderbilt a home, big deal, You're supposed to
be Vandy. You get blown out at the Swamp, you
beat Oklahoma with an injured John Mattier, and you very
(28:41):
easily could have lost on the road. In Mississippi State
and Kentucky, they want a couple of overtime games. So I
get the whole buyer beware here with Texas, But I
think grabbing six and a half here and against a
Georgia team which prior to last week had to really
toll it at anyone, I think taking the horns and
the points here is the play.
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to one twenty.
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Speaker 5 (30:38):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Hey there, Daddy, what you got up the Doug?
Speaker 2 (30:45):
The game today is.
Speaker 5 (30:51):
I feel a draft?
Speaker 2 (30:52):
All right? The draft order is Sam first, I'll pick second,
Doug your third, then Jason fourth and fifth, and we
swing it back in reverse order as we draft the
best rivalries in NFL history. Another rivalry uniform tonight. Jets
and Patriots had a rivalry for a while. They will
face off in their AFC showdown this evening. Sam, you
(31:13):
are on the clock for best rivalries in NFL history
with the number one overall pick.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
I'll take a rival in the rivalry draft.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
Close to my heart and a very old rivalry in
the NFL. Packers Bears, Pack in the NFL. Actually, there you.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Go, pack the oldest Bears is off the board. I
didn't love this rivalry, but I respected the rivalry Steelers
Ravens for a long time, good decade. It's just it
was peak NFL with those two teams. So I'll take
Steelers Ravens at number two. Doug your third.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
So many choices here, so many choices. Yeah, I'm gonna
go with the Jaguars. Just kidding, just kidding, Cowboys and
their rivals with everybody, I'm gonna go Cowboys, Eagles, Cowboys
and choice. But look, Cowboys Redskins in the eighties and
(32:15):
nineties was probably better.
Speaker 7 (32:16):
Wait, let's gonna sam this up here. What are we doing?
Speaker 1 (32:18):
But but again, Cowboys Eagles. The success of the Eagles,
despite the glamour of the Cowboys, the classic rivalry of
two teams play each other twice a year every year.
One is like the second city. Just the whole thing works.
Eagles Cowboys. That's my pick.
Speaker 7 (32:36):
Doug tried to sam my fourth pick up, Could we
flag that.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
All?
Speaker 2 (32:42):
I've got my own pick because I was saving that rivalry.
I even pulled audio to play for Cowboys Eagles, and
now I can't even use it. I feel like I'm.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Do you think it was too early?
Speaker 2 (32:54):
I thought it was too early because I thought i'd
for surely get it in the second round, but apparently not.
Speaker 7 (32:58):
I call a foul on samming it up, salmon it up,
two free throws. So, just to go in Doug's face
since he already ruined this, it is the Cowboys versus
the Redskins, and you're like, no, they're called the Commanders. Now,
screw you. We all remember Cowboys, Redskins. That's all I
(33:19):
care about. Cowboys Redskins at four. And just to rub
it in Doug's face even more with an even bigger Cowboys,
it's the forty nine ers. Cowboys forty nine ers. In
the nineties, it reached its peak. But this goes back
to the seventies. Gentlemen's seventies.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
All right, Doug, you're back on the clock.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
There's some new rivalries. They're good. I'm gonna go h
here's an old one from when we were when we
were kids, the Jets and the Dolphins. The Jets and
the Dolphins. That was a great rivalry back in the day.
Kat currently now gets and the Dolphins.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
All right, I am up at number seven. A lot
of good choices here, and I think, gosh, I'm gonna
go with the Falcons and Saints. They're not slashy teams.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
No, it's the best football rival in the South.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Yeah. They hate each other. They cannot stand each other.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
So Falcons and Saints. I think, if you're not familiar
with it, what are the best rivalries that we've got
in the NFL?
Speaker 7 (34:34):
Quick story about that, Quick story about that. For whatever reason,
the Falcons loved the Jim Rome show back in the day,
and they sent us Falcons gear In nineteen ninety nine
or two thousand. I went down to Cues and Brentwood.
I'm sure Dan's very familiar shoes and Brentwood on a Sunday,
just wearing my Falcons gar, not even knowing. Harry Connock
Junior was at the bar and he kept giving me
(34:54):
death stairs and I kept looking at my buddy. I'm like,
why is Harry Connick Junior staring at me? What's going
going on here? Saints were playing the Falcons that day.
I thought I was showing up and trying to talk
some trash to him with my T shirt.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Trying to be that guy.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
All right, if I could just whisper your name, love,
Harry Conny Junter. All right, guys, this, uh, they don't
play every year, and the San Francisco forty nine Ers
are really not in San Francisco anymore, and the Oakland
Raiders are in Vegas. But I'm gonna take the Niners
and the Raiders because they have those two fan bases
do not like.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Each other, especially in the parking lots.
Speaker 5 (35:28):
Yes, ext time, game This is game time on The
Dug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
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