September 26, 2023 • 37 mins
Doug talks about how the Colorado Buffalos have brought heat upon themselves by the way they have acted, and Coach Prime doesn't seem concerned about it as he continues to play the victim with the media. NFL Analyst John Middlekauff joins Doug to talk about Coach Prime, the Eagles and all of the other major headlines around the NFL. Plus, Isaac Lowenkron takes Doug through a game of "Rank 'Em".
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I think we've reached the point where I want to say,
check please, where you start to understand all of the
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factors that play with Colorado football. And I'm sure that
many of you are sitting there going a hold on DG.
We had two Monday night football games last night. Why
can't you react to those like they were not great? Games,
and the Eagles were far better than Tampa. Jalen Hurts
wasn't feeling good, didn't play well, didn't matter. Team's just
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way better and you know, Joe Burrow on one leg.
They found a way to get it done. My biggest
takeaway is I I struggle with anybody who doesn't love
those Bengals uniforms.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
You know, you know there's people like, hey, we're not
going to be friends.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Like if you on Thanksgiving, don't turn on the TV
to have football on at at least ambient sound.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
We're never going to be friends, even in.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
A sports kind of landscape if you don't like those
How can you not like those Bengals uniforms? But like,
that's kind of all I got from that game. You know,
Matt Stafford does a bad pick. You know, there's Jalen
Hurst doesn't look the same as last year. We could
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we could pick and choose some things, but Tuesday's usually
held back for college football, and some interesting stuff happened yesterday. First,
there was a video that all of these schools have
their own we'll call them digital teams. We have our
own digital team.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
At at Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
All of these schools have their own digital team, and
the bigger the school, the better the video production. And
there's a video that Colorado put out. It's like a
five minute video and it encapsulates the game and it's
really well done and it's really telling. And I can't
tell you on equivoc if Colorado's players, you know, if
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they if they excuse me, if Oregon's players didn't talk
any trash. But it was clearly outlined by Dan Lanning
the night before the game that we're not going to
say anything. We're going to say it with our helmets
and our pats. And there's a what looks like a
strength coach saying, don't give it any energy. And there's
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video of Shiloh Sanders, who, of course Dean's Sun, his
talented cornerback. He actually had seven tackles on the day,
talking all kinds of junk, all kinds of junk should
be noted. There was a story out yesterday that Shilo
Sanders checked himself into the hospital upon arrival back into
Boulder because he had some internal blee had some bleeding
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in his urine.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
I guess he got hitting the kidney.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
But when you look at when you watch it, you
sit there and go and and Dan Lanning had a
great answer to a question yesterday about Skip Bliss and
this Keyshawn Johnson story that other coaches said had had
reached out to Oregon to give them help, and that
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Dan Lanning was, you know, trying to make a point
with you know, trying to run it up on Colorado
and underlying tones by the way of racism. And then
when you see the video, it's pretty telling. Like again,
I've said a lot like Dan Lanning, I think what
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Dion in terms of the energy he's bringing. That was
the number one rated college football game. It got over
ten million viewers and it was not competitive at all.
But people are into this Dion thing. And I'd say
you're getting to the point where there is a portion
to people that are, like you know, I said last week,
kind of ready for them to lose, kind of ready
for them to get a little come up in and
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they did because there's nothing wrong with confidence. There's nothing
wrong with a little bit of swagger. And it's a
lot like you know, the old Supreme Court definition of pornography.
I know it, you'll know when you see it, you know,
arrogance and hunting. When you saw it, I saw it
with the flashing of the watches. We can say, well,
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you know, DJ Collin's doing it again.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
That's your guide.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
And I understand. This is how Dion played, This is
how he lives his life. He's been incredibly successful.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
But then you get this. This is Dion Sanders who said.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
He was ask during a Zoom conference call yesterday why
he thinks people keep making it personal and about him.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
His response is, you know why that is? Just say it.
Don't try to get me and provoke me to say it.
Just say it, man.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
I mean, some of y'all gotta have some balls sooner
or later and or say what it is. You can't
provoke me to say it. I'm not built like that.
And I think what Dion believes is what he said
earlier in this is like two weeks ago in his
press conference about his distractors.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
I don't take my time to respond and to defend myself.
Why would I do that. I'm giving you a microphone.
If I'm doing that, I'm giving you solids that you're
in my life. I don't care. I really don't. So
if it's been that way all my life, you would
think that I'm used to it. I'm not new to this.
I'm true to this and I keep going. So I'm
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good with that. Man, I'm good with that. This is
a comfortable place for me.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
So what do you teach your guys in the locker room?
Who it's about us? It's not about them, It's about us.
Everywhere we go, even in your durned families. You're gonna
have Detractors're gonna have nat seers, you gonna have doubts
even in your durned family. And you guys all shaking
my head and checking your heads, like, yeah, yeah, my aunt,
she ain't no good.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
I know my sister thinking, yeah, she's eating right now.
You know I'm telling the truth.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
That's good.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
It's gonna be like that. God would always allow somebody
to be in your path that have a disdain or
dislike for you. Is up to you to keep going.
I don't stop. I keep going. I don't have to
stop in me, not whatsoever.
Speaker 6 (07:11):
Man.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
So, I mean, I guess the infer why does There's
only one possible answer. I guess I don't know what
he's inferring, And the inference has to be that do people.
First of all, I don't know if anybody who dislikes
Deon Sanders. I think what you get, what you get
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frustrated by, is that Dion, who's always been flashy, always
been confident, and sometimes been arrogant. You know that he's
sending young men out to battle to play football with
that same level of confidence borderline arrogance, sometimes crossing over
to arrogance with one not the substance, and two they
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step over the line like look, Shiloh Sanders is talking
about I'm gonna kick all your asses and your coaches too,
Like what that is not about us in our locker
room and making it about us?
Speaker 2 (08:13):
That's straight up trash talk.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Dude got put in the hospital, they got run out
of the building. I don't even know how to have
a conversation with anyone who thinks it's about anything other
than like, look, dude, you run your mouth like that
and then you get beat.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
The only thing you can do.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Is walk off the field, shake hands and say we
got our butts cooked, we're not that good, which is
what Dion did. But it's what his players are doing
that's irritating people. And it's what I think about biproductive
fans have done. And you get defensive and Dion is
not defensive, although I do think you know, you go
(08:52):
back a couple weeks ago and he said it was about,
you know, people uncomfortable with a confident black man. Like no,
I don't, not in sports, not in college football. All
these all these coaches are confident, arrogant, sort of crazy.
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But what we're not used to is players that haven't
accomplished much of anything except for winning a couple of games,
walking around picking out opponents, talking about them, and then
when they get beat, when they well, you know, we're
not any good anyway. I mean, I just if I'm Colorado,
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I'm mortified by that video. Mortified and the snippets we
saw of Dan Lanning talking about the Cinderella story is over.
We're about wins, not about clicks, right, you watch for
more of the substance that we're talking about. And I
also think that part of what Dan said in a
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more elongated we didn't see the whole the whole thing
was this is the new organ. I even think he says, like, look,
there was a time which Organ got a little too flashy,
got a little too much about the schmaltz, a little
bit too much about the bling, a little bit too
much about you know, uniforms.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Instead of hey, being about substance.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
They were better prepared, they were more focused, they were
more physical. They out executed them. They completely wiped the
field to Colorado, and Deand's response after the game, for
the most part, was perfect right and he's he's right,
and he says why are they people? When people ask
why are you personalizing it, it's because his answers become personalized.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
He was the one after the game.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Who said, hey, if you're gonna get me, get me now,
because it's the worst I'll ever be. Like, there's all
a bunch of eyes in that answer. So all of
the questions are going to be or criticism is going
to be I related. If you make the program about
one person, the head coach, well then that's what all
of the energy is going to be directed towards. Then
don't go, well, you're just making it about me, because no,
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you're making about you.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
It's literally called coach Prime.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
You.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
All of their gear is about Prime. It's not about
the players. It's really not even the Travis hunter thing
that happened yesterday where in front of the team he
reads a text from Travis Hunters's coach.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
I don't care about health.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
I want to play and deon Sayers and I do
think again, you cut him open as heart as is huge.
He's like, no, man, I can't let you play. You
got a lot of you got great things to accomplish.
It ain't about one.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Football game, but it's the I did this.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
I said you can't play. I'm the one who knows
it's about more than football.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
You can't go.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
I make the program about one person, and then say,
why is the criticism? Why is everything the energy directed
towards me?
Speaker 2 (12:09):
You made it about you. That's who the direction is, Jase.
Do am I missing anything there? No?
Speaker 7 (12:17):
No, no, I really act your point. And I kind
of wanted to piggyback on that. John. Could we play
at least a very beginning of the sound you just
play prime.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
I don't take my time to respond and to defend myself.
Why would I do that. I'm giving you a microphone.
If I'm doing it, I'm giving you solids that you're
in my life. I don't care. I really don't. So
if it's been that way all my life, you would
think that I'm used to it. I'm not new to this.
I'm true to this and I keep going.
Speaker 7 (12:47):
So I'm good with that. Man.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
This is a comfortable place for me.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
So what do you teach your guys in the locker room?
Speaker 3 (12:57):
It's not about them, it's.
Speaker 7 (12:58):
About us, Doug. The question was about what are you
teaching your players? In other words, to your point, those
players before the game that were caught on video doing
that stuff I thought was just completely disgraceful. I really did.
And if you could, if you could say that they
were playing mind games, that's one thing. I just thought
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they were being disrespectful. They're not being coached, and what
you know, what, what's the old adage? I don't know.
If you're not if you're not coaching it, you're allowing
it or whatever. I think that the reporter tried to
ask that question and the dion just went on to
some thing about about himself. That's the contradiction I think, Doug.
As I'm listening to you talk about this, it's everyone
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keeps playing the woe is Me card? Why is everyone
picking on Colorado? Well, you're allowing your players to act
this way, and frankly, I think Doug, he's putting his
players in harm's way. You talk about the Travis Hunter.
I think he has like a lacerated liver. You talk
about his son having like kidney problems.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
His other probably a lacerated kidney.
Speaker 7 (14:04):
His other son was driven into the turf last week
so bad that the kid was kicked out of the game.
Like he's almost putting his players in harms way by
not coaching that kind of disrespectful talk that we saw
to Oregon. They're gonna start playing some really good teams here, Doug.
And these teams aren't just out to beat them. They
seem to be out to make them look bad too.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Yeah, and and Kylauta State, it's not okay that you
hit a guy after the whistle.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
It's not okay.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
But what I think you're getting at is like, no
matter how well coached or how well like, Coladas State
kind of lost their minds a little bit. They should
have won that game. There was a holding call even
the first half on their center. They would have been
up twenty eight fourteen. They kind of lost their minds
a little bit. But part of it is like you're
you're turbo charging guys that there. It's it's like, uh,
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it's like you put nitrous inside of a Chevy Nova, right, Like,
we think it's just gonna make everything faster and everything better,
but sometimes those engines explode because they're not meant to
be play at that level. They're not meant to drive
at that speed. And everybody has in eu odometer or
something that goes up to like a hundred or something,
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but that doesn't mean you drive that fast in that car.
They start shaking and they become incredibly difficult to control.
And that's what's happening here is that every game is
becoming everyone's biggest game. And it's like football is a
very violent sport. I don't need to tell people, but
if you haven't realized it, you make you make a
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really good point, and you're sending guys out there and
they're talking trash and they're becoming faces of Colorado football,
but they also becoming faces.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Of trash talk.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
And when what every football coach I ever played for
would tell me, okay, is the same thing essentially that
these guys are like, play through the whistle to the
end of the whistle, but they want to talk. You
do all you're talking with how hard you hit them?
And look at the results the past two weeks. Yeah,
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that doesn't mean that you need to be super fake humble.
That doesn't mean that you need to mumble and say
yes or and somehow appease the masses. There's a big
gap there. There's a gap there between that and the
week before Travis. I mean like you could not be
a more direct Correlation's video of Travis Hunter saying you're weak,
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you're soft, you're not you're not tough, you're not big.
You know, nobody's scared of you. And then he gets
hit and put in the hospital, and then the very
next week, Shiloh Sanders saying he's gonna kick everybody's asses.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
You guys are really small? Why are they so small?
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Laughing at them as they're warming up, dusting their feet
off on the oh, and then guests who ends up
also going to the hospital, Like there's a This is
pretty simple stuff. So again, are we gonna watch this weekend?
Of course, there's gonna be energy towards USC running it
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up on them.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Of course. Are they gonna be some really hard hits?
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Does that mean that.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Colorado has to walk in like they fear like they
fear USC? No, absolutely not. You are you have to
have a belief in self. You have to have a
belief in your teammates, and you have to think, hey,
we're better than you. I don't care what your name is.
I love that shador standers start of the year. I'm
not scared of names.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Don't be.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
But you also, and this is a big thing, you
have to respect your opponents. And those last two teams
specifically felt disrespected. And when people feel disrespect they can
It can happen in all kinds of ways. I mean,
look what happened to Spider in Good Fellas, Right, I
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thought you said, I thought you said of you? Okay, Spider,
I thought you said of you you okay?
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Right.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
All it takes is one dude who's crazy looney tunes
to hit you after after the whistle, or hits you
really really hard in just the right spot, and we
see what happened.
Speaker 5 (18:24):
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Speaker 2 (18:38):
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Speaker 1 (18:40):
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for both because you got Ryder Cup as well. But
before we get to the NFL, I want to add
ask you about Oregon Colorado and just a smashing last week.
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But some people's reaction to Dan Lanning and how he
prepared his team. I don't know if you seen the
five minute like video thing by by the Organ's like
digital team, but his whole you know, you'd say, with
your pads and your helmet. I mean, like, look, I
think there's there's a reason Travis Hunter and now Shiloh
Sanders both go to the hospital they get hit. I
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think they're creating an energy that maybe they're not ready for.
Speaker 8 (19:32):
Yeah, I mean I've seen it all. I thought the reaction,
which you know a large percentage of it is former
NFL players to Dan Lanning that aren't ogon. You know,
Oregon Ducks was embarrassing. I mean, it's a joke. He
can say whatever he wants one the equipped that Oregon
put out and listen, I'm all for like, it's coach,
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This is not the pros. There's a reason most pro
coaches talk somewhat the same because there's no recruiting involved.
It's just the NeXT's nose matchup every Sunday. Right in college,
recruiting is a huge part of your job. Being on
the natural marketer. He can do whatever he wants, but
he always can back it up right as a player.
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The clip of those players talking to the Oregon Ducks, who,
let's say this beside Travis Hunter who has a split
liver or whatever, and probably Shadoor and a couple other guys.
Oregon wouldn't recruit any of those guys, right, So those
guys acting like they're Deon Sanders to Oregon. I actually
thought it was pretty impressive by Dan Lanning to have
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his voice because I would say, historically, you're a little
older than me. Like back in the heyday of some
of the big time matchups, both teams would yap, especially
when there was a lot of like you know, burning
just hype behind the game. Oregon didn't. They acted superior
and then they played superior. So to me, the look
is the players from Colorado like started to believe they're
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Deon and clearly they're not.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Yeah, Shiloh his son, you're not your dad, Dude, you're
not You're not your dad. That's it.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
I mean again, Dion talked to talk and walk to walk.
Shiloh did not.
Speaker 8 (21:11):
And when you say most of the cocky teams, at
least in my lifetime, some of the urban squads, I'd
say Alabama's cocky. But Nick doesn't really allow them to talk.
You know. Obviously the the U forever Ohio States that
had some teams.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Yeah, Florida State, Yeah, yeah, no, but but but remember
the U end up at at the end of the
first run of the U and maybe even the second
on of the U.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
And it wasn't just that they were cheating.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
It was that all of that stuff went way overboard,
right it all it gets to a limit and then
goes overboard. Remember they they were I don't know if
they're in the Cotton Bowl or something. They were all
wearing military fatigues. Like it just reaches the point you're like, oh, like,
no matter how much you liked them, it went overboard.
It felt like without a lot with with with three
games success surprising a lot of people, it started to
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go overboard before Saturday.
Speaker 8 (22:01):
I don't like some people do get triggered by anything,
Dion says, because I do believe, and you and I
have talked about like he's an old school football guy. Yes,
like they tackle in practice. A lot of things he
teaches the guys, remember his introductionory no hat, like he's
his social media presence and the way he is I
think one on one with guys and probably a practice
a lot different. But him saying after the game, you
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better get us now we're coming, you know a little.
You know Dan Hurley, Well, Dan Hurley is like he
had a squad. You are a long way away. Now
you can say, like he's not playing Oregon anymore. Right,
they're going their separate ways. And same thing with USC
and Texas and Oklahoma aren't going to be there. But
you are a long long way away. I don't care
how good you can recruit from clearly the top. What
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would you say ten to fifteen programs. I mean, the
TCU game was an impressive win, but it turns out
like TCU was not what they were and the Oregon
team obviously USC. I mean I watched because this game
was such a blowout. I ended up watching a lot
of the Utah UCLA games. Utah's defense is elite. I mean,
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Colorado's going to be in for a long day. I
mean they have NFL guy and they always do, so
it's just going to be very, very difficult. Like the team,
it's pretty obvious. The Pac twelve is i would say
the top, the deepest at the top in the country,
and a lot of those teams have NFL guys on defense.
Everywhere where. Historically it's kind of been offensive conference, especially
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the last whatever decade and a half. It's pretty defense.
Washington play d USC camp, but their offensilely in Utah
is just basically like, you know, an SEC defense.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Right now, John Minokopp's our guest here on the Doug
Ott Leap Show on Fox Sports Radio. If you were
advising Burrow, would you have advised him to play last night?
Speaker 8 (23:47):
Well, I think the hard part about the NFL, you know,
and it's obviously a hot topic in basketball, right but
you have so many games, like whatever, I missed fifteen
to twenty games, it doesn't matter in football. What was
ray Lewis's fame?
Speaker 2 (24:00):
You know?
Speaker 8 (24:00):
Comment like they pay me Monday through Saturday, Sundays and
for free. The whole point of football, what makes it
all fun is playing the game. Because most of it
the rehab, the meetings. You actually don't practice that much
relative to how much time you spend getting ready for opponents.
But that's it's kind of can be redundant, not as fun.
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It's all about the games, and I have a lot
of respect. You know, the game I grew up on
was just very old school guys. Now there is a
line right where you want to be able to walk,
but a calf injury as long as like he's not
you know sometimes right Derek Rose, it was constantly like
hurting other partty parts because he was overcompensating. As long
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as it's not something like that and he's not more
likely like Karen Aciel and the other leg or terror
and Achilles, then like that's just that's kind of football,
isn't it. Now? There is a balance when you factor
in how much guys make and how much you just
invested in them. Is it risky? But also what's he
gonna need need to get fully right a month off?
So I think it's kind of a tough spot, but
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I respect the hell out of him from playing.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
What's what do you think of how Jalen Hurts is playing.
Speaker 8 (25:12):
Definitely doesn't look like his MVP level itself last year.
I would say, clearly, you know, last night he's sick
or whatever in his ragining, his running, which really was
awesome his early in his career, doesn't you know, he's
not really doing it and passing it's just not even arguable.
It's just off. He had some big plays last night,
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but what he was last year we haven't seen yet.
Now they're a little lucky that this team is so
stacked that he actually they don't need the MVP Jalen
Hurts probably to compete to win the Super Bowl. If
he just can play a little bit better than he's playing,
they're clearly going to be the right there with the
forty nine ers. So you know, if he doesn't have
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to play like he did in Kansas City, because I
think their defense man they're so good the line of
scrimmage and now DeAndre Swift running like this. It's clearly
not twenty twenty two versions at the end of September,
but I wonder if their team might be slightly more talented,
especially with this infusion of youth. I mean, Kyln Carter
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they lose Javon Hargrave, who's been awesome for the forty
nine ers, and they replace them with like a bigger, faster,
younger guy. So now part of when you draft risk
quote unquote risky guys, teams that pass in a guy
like him, right, they know when he plays, if he's
got his mind right and healthy, he's gonna look sweet.
They basically pass because they don't think it's too much
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of a risk for the long haul. So can he
go the whole season without something happened? Can he go
several years? How something happened? Time will tell. But for
three games he looks like a pretty elite player, doesn't he?
Speaker 2 (26:47):
He does? He does.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Okay, I know it's easy to make it about Miami
because the play calling and explosiveness to everything is unbelievable,
But I don't. You don't give up three hundred yards
rushing unless dudes quit? What is going on in Denver?
Speaker 8 (27:04):
Yeah, I mean, I think obviously now in this modern
day is probably the word quit and taps out gets
thrown around a little too much. But I would rather
lose like fifty to three, like that's seventy like that
is Listen, I was obviously not born in nineteen sixty
six when that record was set, But I don't think
that record has anything in common with what just had.
(27:29):
Seventy and twenty twenty three is dramatically worse than anything
that happened on that field in the mid sixties. It
just is, especially when you factor in that you have
a high price coach and last year your defense with
a lot of guys returning, was pretty solid. It's one
thing to get beat. You know, you can play well
and get beat like the Panthers. I think they tried
against Seattle. Seadds is better and they lose by ten points,
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and they give up thirty seven or whatever, seventy points
and clearly, Mike, they were running the ball. They weren't
even trying. But I get the huge reflection of one.
Sean Payton wanted Vick Fanjo to be a defensive coordinator.
He had talked openly about it. But the problem is
when he went to Denver, Vick had just recently been fired.
He wasn't gonna go back there, so he ended up
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going with another guy Denver fired years ago, Vance Joseph,
and Vance Joseph is just not very good at his job,
especially compared to a Vic Fangoe. Look at the two
coordinators in that game. I know Miami were judging them
on offense, but think of this offseason McDaniel needed a
new defensive coordinator. Who do you go out and get
one of the best in the league what Sean Payton
do And they're both offensive coordinators. So it's not only
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you're spending an inordinate amount of extra time with the offense.
You were very dependent on the defense. And we've seen
it with Sean Payton when he had good defensive coordinators
in the time with the New Orleans Saints. They were
good when he didn't remember they were scoring points when
they were going seven to nine. I remember that little
stretch there in the mid twenty ten. Wasn't like their offense.
Suck couldn't stop the soul. So Sean Payton has a
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serious defensive problem on top of just with Russell. Was
not the reason they lost on Sunday, But from a
macro perspective, his contract and he's not an all star
level player, is a problem.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Do you think the Vikings trade Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 8 (29:09):
I just don't know where they would trade him, Like
where does he go?
Speaker 5 (29:13):
Right?
Speaker 8 (29:13):
I mean the Niners don't need him. We know Kyle
loves him a lot of the McVeigh guy.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
You don't think the Niners need him? No, can they win?
Can they win a Super Bowl? As they stand at quarterback?
Speaker 8 (29:25):
I don't think. I think Kyle Shanahan's used Brock thirty
as his new Kirk Cousins, And when you factor in
the money, he ain't Bnking brought thirty to trade of
draft pick kind they would give him away, so I
would be suns. I guess you could never say never.
I also think he kind of likes Sam Donald too,
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so yeah, I think there may be more likely if
some team was out of it and there was Again,
I'm not saying this guy would be traded like if
Christian Worfs was available or you know, some Aaron Donald
level guy. Because they have a bunch of cap for him,
they would do something like that before they traded for
Kirk Cousins. With Kirk Cousins is fine, but I don't
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think I would take Brock thirty over him right now,
especially with a factor in the money, So I that's
not an option the Jets. You know what the Jets
problem is is the forty nine ers last year mentally
had checked out from Tree Lance, like they just the
training camp was rough. They it was not going well
before he got injured. So what did they do this offseason?
They brought in reinforcements and they already knew that more
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than likely he wasn't going to beat out Sam Darnold,
and they just moved on from the problem. The Jets
were so emmostionly tied still to Zach Wilson. And the
thing at quarterback, Like if I draft a defensive lineman
and he and I missed, he can rotate in, so
I plant you can quarterback.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Still play him quarterback that you need a play or
not play?
Speaker 5 (30:45):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Every step yeah, and the line is bad. So it's
not you can run the football and hide him. You
can't hide and the line.
Speaker 8 (30:56):
It's a disaster. So but that the money and Rogers
kind of the elephant in the room. He's coming back.
So they have to give up the second round pick
for Rogers. So would they trade either third and fourth
round picks? I don't know. I don't know if I
don't see a spot where he gets a lot of
young quarterbacks around the league. Maybe Atlanta, but who knows,
Like Atlanta lose this weekend. All of a sudden you
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look up there like one to.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Three last thing, Chargers go for it on fourth in
less than the yard at their own twenty four people
I've talked to the Chargers were all on board with it,
all of them even afterwards. Is this a universally thought decision,
agreed with decision in football?
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Now?
Speaker 8 (31:38):
What I mean? You and I probably I feel like
hearing all these people talk about this. Brandon Saley has
been doing this from day one. The least surprising thing
watching that game was him going for it in that spot.
He always does. He has pretty consistently, remember back to
the Raider game Sunday Night Football. To get in the playoffs,
he will go for it in that spot because he
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knows people above him are cool of it. My issue
with him is why is the defense so terrible? Why
are guys wide open constantly? Why are there huge you
know ways for running backs and just walk eight yards?
Of course you're going to go for it and people.
That was the reason I've been out on Brandon Staley
from year one. It's that. Now, that's an organizational philosophy.
That's crazy, I mean, but that is their philosophy and
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I were you shocked when he did it? Because I
was not.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
I was I was surprised.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
And then I texted a couple people on when they're
on the plane on the way home. They're like, all
of them are like seventy five percent conversion, Right, we're
good with it.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
I was like, what about the play call sucked?
Speaker 8 (32:35):
You know, like, what about your lack of run game?
What about your sister? I mean, right, you had.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Thirty one yards rush and you're gonna you're gonnasically run
a fullback dive like or we give to Justin Herbert,
who's got Parham, who's got you know, all these other weapons. Okay,
what how much does losing Mike Williams hurt him?
Speaker 8 (32:50):
I mean that's crushing, but he's been banged up throughout
Herbert's career. I think the problem is Herbert's just been
white out. I mean for them not to be like
a power right now has to feel pretty disappointing, right,
I mean, this kid gets better every year. What else
you want the guy to do? I just I think
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that there are a lot of teams. I mean, you
look like the forty nine ers, like they got Brock
thirty and they're kicking everyone's button. We look, we got
Tustin Herbert, who's probably the most talented quarterback tfically we've
ever had in our franchise, and it's gonna be tough
for us to get to eight wins. I think it's
a macro, big picture issue with the Chargers when you
have the star young quarterback who is everything you want
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from a character standpoint, walktic standpoint, and from a production standpoint.
So what are you gonna do is just go this season,
probably goes seven to eight wins, nine, missed the playoffs,
and then fire them and it's just what a wasted year.
I don't it feels like it's inevitable.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
I I don't know. I still they had the Bears
in the schedule. I think the division has, you know,
has at least the division has at least four wins on it.
I think they make the PLAYFU. But yeah, not not.
They can't stop somebody.
Speaker 8 (34:02):
Their margin for error is pretty swim right, I mean
they can't.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
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Well, once again, this is Moncey doing her sensational Isaac
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Speaker 2 (34:54):
Rank them.
Speaker 9 (34:55):
We'll rank the top three teams. I'm we're not gonna
rank him. You're going to rank him. Rank the top
three teams in the American Football.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
American Football Conference as of right now. You have to
put the Dolphins in one, right, Yeah, gotta put the
Dolphins at one. Outside that, I mean, we would we
just fell all over ourselves about this, about this conference,
and you know there have been some disappointing outputs. I'm
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gonna put the Chiefs it two and Bills it three.
So Bill's Chiefs Dolphins.
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Follow it up with the same thing from the NFC.
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From the National Football Conference.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Right there, I will put the Niners at one, the
Eagles at two, and at three. Yeah, I will still
have the Dallas Cowboys.
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Okay, all right. I don't want to get you in
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direction you want, pro college, anything.
Speaker 6 (36:21):
Almost annoying fan bases in sports, Okay, I think I
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Speaker 10 (36:37):
Unfortunately, there's a lot to choose from it.
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There's a lot to choose from.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Yeah, lots lots to choose from.
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Number three is going.
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To be.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
Laker fans. Fair, fair Laker fans. Number two is going
to be Jets fans, and number one is Red Sox fans.
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I think we've reached the point where I want to say,
check please, where you start to understand all of the
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factors that play with Colorado football. And I'm sure that
many of you are sitting there going a hold on DG.
We had two Monday night football games last night. Why
can't you react to those like they were not great? Games,
and the Eagles were far better than Tampa. Jalen Hurts
wasn't feeling good, didn't play well, didn't matter. Team's just
(01:27):
way better and you know, Joe Burrow on one leg.
They found a way to get it done. My biggest
takeaway is I I struggle with anybody who doesn't love
those Bengals uniforms.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
You know, you know there's people like, hey, we're not
going to be friends.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Like if you on Thanksgiving, don't turn on the TV
to have football on at at least ambient sound.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
We're never going to be friends, even in.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
A sports kind of landscape if you don't like those
How can you not like those Bengals uniforms? But like,
that's kind of all I got from that game. You know,
Matt Stafford does a bad pick. You know, there's Jalen
Hurst doesn't look the same as last year. We could
(02:17):
we could pick and choose some things, but Tuesday's usually
held back for college football, and some interesting stuff happened yesterday. First,
there was a video that all of these schools have
their own we'll call them digital teams. We have our
own digital team.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
At at Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
All of these schools have their own digital team, and
the bigger the school, the better the video production. And
there's a video that Colorado put out. It's like a
five minute video and it encapsulates the game and it's
really well done and it's really telling. And I can't
tell you on equivoc if Colorado's players, you know, if
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they if they excuse me, if Oregon's players didn't talk
any trash. But it was clearly outlined by Dan Lanning
the night before the game that we're not going to
say anything. We're going to say it with our helmets
and our pats. And there's a what looks like a
strength coach saying, don't give it any energy. And there's
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video of Shiloh Sanders, who, of course Dean's Sun, his
talented cornerback. He actually had seven tackles on the day,
talking all kinds of junk, all kinds of junk should
be noted. There was a story out yesterday that Shilo
Sanders checked himself into the hospital upon arrival back into
Boulder because he had some internal blee had some bleeding
(03:47):
in his urine.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
I guess he got hitting the kidney.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
But when you look at when you watch it, you
sit there and go and and Dan Lanning had a
great answer to a question yesterday about Skip Bliss and
this Keyshawn Johnson story that other coaches said had had
reached out to Oregon to give them help, and that
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Dan Lanning was, you know, trying to make a point
with you know, trying to run it up on Colorado
and underlying tones by the way of racism. And then
when you see the video, it's pretty telling. Like again,
I've said a lot like Dan Lanning, I think what
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Dion in terms of the energy he's bringing. That was
the number one rated college football game. It got over
ten million viewers and it was not competitive at all.
But people are into this Dion thing. And I'd say
you're getting to the point where there is a portion
to people that are, like you know, I said last week,
kind of ready for them to lose, kind of ready
for them to get a little come up in and
(04:57):
they did because there's nothing wrong with confidence. There's nothing
wrong with a little bit of swagger. And it's a
lot like you know, the old Supreme Court definition of pornography.
I know it, you'll know when you see it, you know,
arrogance and hunting. When you saw it, I saw it
with the flashing of the watches. We can say, well,
(05:19):
you know, DJ Collin's doing it again.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
That's your guide.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
And I understand. This is how Dion played, This is
how he lives his life. He's been incredibly successful.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
But then you get this. This is Dion Sanders who said.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
He was ask during a Zoom conference call yesterday why
he thinks people keep making it personal and about him.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
His response is, you know why that is? Just say it.
Don't try to get me and provoke me to say it.
Just say it, man.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
I mean, some of y'all gotta have some balls sooner
or later and or say what it is. You can't
provoke me to say it. I'm not built like that.
And I think what Dion believes is what he said
earlier in this is like two weeks ago in his
press conference about his distractors.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
I don't take my time to respond and to defend myself.
Why would I do that. I'm giving you a microphone.
If I'm doing that, I'm giving you solids that you're
in my life. I don't care. I really don't. So
if it's been that way all my life, you would
think that I'm used to it. I'm not new to this.
I'm true to this and I keep going. So I'm
(06:32):
good with that. Man, I'm good with that. This is
a comfortable place for me.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
So what do you teach your guys in the locker room?
Who it's about us? It's not about them, It's about us.
Everywhere we go, even in your durned families. You're gonna
have Detractors're gonna have nat seers, you gonna have doubts
even in your durned family. And you guys all shaking
my head and checking your heads, like, yeah, yeah, my aunt,
she ain't no good.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
I know my sister thinking, yeah, she's eating right now.
You know I'm telling the truth.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
That's good.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
It's gonna be like that. God would always allow somebody
to be in your path that have a disdain or
dislike for you. Is up to you to keep going.
I don't stop. I keep going. I don't have to
stop in me, not whatsoever.
Speaker 6 (07:11):
Man.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
So, I mean, I guess the infer why does There's
only one possible answer. I guess I don't know what
he's inferring, And the inference has to be that do people.
First of all, I don't know if anybody who dislikes
Deon Sanders. I think what you get, what you get
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frustrated by, is that Dion, who's always been flashy, always
been confident, and sometimes been arrogant. You know that he's
sending young men out to battle to play football with
that same level of confidence borderline arrogance, sometimes crossing over
to arrogance with one not the substance, and two they
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step over the line like look, Shiloh Sanders is talking
about I'm gonna kick all your asses and your coaches too,
Like what that is not about us in our locker
room and making it about us?
Speaker 2 (08:13):
That's straight up trash talk.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Dude got put in the hospital, they got run out
of the building. I don't even know how to have
a conversation with anyone who thinks it's about anything other
than like, look, dude, you run your mouth like that
and then you get beat.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
The only thing you can do.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Is walk off the field, shake hands and say we
got our butts cooked, we're not that good, which is
what Dion did. But it's what his players are doing
that's irritating people. And it's what I think about biproductive
fans have done. And you get defensive and Dion is
not defensive, although I do think you know, you go
(08:52):
back a couple weeks ago and he said it was about,
you know, people uncomfortable with a confident black man. Like no,
I don't, not in sports, not in college football. All
these all these coaches are confident, arrogant, sort of crazy.
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But what we're not used to is players that haven't
accomplished much of anything except for winning a couple of games,
walking around picking out opponents, talking about them, and then
when they get beat, when they well, you know, we're
not any good anyway. I mean, I just if I'm Colorado,
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I'm mortified by that video. Mortified and the snippets we
saw of Dan Lanning talking about the Cinderella story is over.
We're about wins, not about clicks, right, you watch for
more of the substance that we're talking about. And I
also think that part of what Dan said in a
(09:58):
more elongated we didn't see the whole the whole thing
was this is the new organ. I even think he says, like, look,
there was a time which Organ got a little too flashy,
got a little too much about the schmaltz, a little
bit too much about the bling, a little bit too
much about you know, uniforms.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Instead of hey, being about substance.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
They were better prepared, they were more focused, they were
more physical. They out executed them. They completely wiped the
field to Colorado, and Deand's response after the game, for
the most part, was perfect right and he's he's right,
and he says why are they people? When people ask
why are you personalizing it, it's because his answers become personalized.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
He was the one after the game.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Who said, hey, if you're gonna get me, get me now,
because it's the worst I'll ever be. Like, there's all
a bunch of eyes in that answer. So all of
the questions are going to be or criticism is going
to be I related. If you make the program about
one person, the head coach, well then that's what all
of the energy is going to be directed towards. Then
don't go, well, you're just making it about me, because no,
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you're making about you.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
It's literally called coach Prime.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
You.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
All of their gear is about Prime. It's not about
the players. It's really not even the Travis hunter thing
that happened yesterday where in front of the team he
reads a text from Travis Hunters's coach.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
I don't care about health.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
I want to play and deon Sayers and I do
think again, you cut him open as heart as is huge.
He's like, no, man, I can't let you play. You
got a lot of you got great things to accomplish.
It ain't about one.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Football game, but it's the I did this.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
I said you can't play. I'm the one who knows
it's about more than football.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
You can't go.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
I make the program about one person, and then say,
why is the criticism? Why is everything the energy directed
towards me?
Speaker 2 (12:09):
You made it about you. That's who the direction is, Jase.
Do am I missing anything there? No?
Speaker 7 (12:17):
No, no, I really act your point. And I kind
of wanted to piggyback on that. John. Could we play
at least a very beginning of the sound you just
play prime.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
I don't take my time to respond and to defend myself.
Why would I do that. I'm giving you a microphone.
If I'm doing it, I'm giving you solids that you're
in my life. I don't care. I really don't. So
if it's been that way all my life, you would
think that I'm used to it. I'm not new to this.
I'm true to this and I keep going.
Speaker 7 (12:47):
So I'm good with that. Man.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
This is a comfortable place for me.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
So what do you teach your guys in the locker room?
Speaker 3 (12:57):
It's not about them, it's.
Speaker 7 (12:58):
About us, Doug. The question was about what are you
teaching your players? In other words, to your point, those
players before the game that were caught on video doing
that stuff I thought was just completely disgraceful. I really did.
And if you could, if you could say that they
were playing mind games, that's one thing. I just thought
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they were being disrespectful. They're not being coached, and what
you know, what, what's the old adage? I don't know.
If you're not if you're not coaching it, you're allowing
it or whatever. I think that the reporter tried to
ask that question and the dion just went on to
some thing about about himself. That's the contradiction I think, Doug.
As I'm listening to you talk about this, it's everyone
(13:42):
keeps playing the woe is Me card? Why is everyone
picking on Colorado? Well, you're allowing your players to act
this way, and frankly, I think Doug, he's putting his
players in harm's way. You talk about the Travis Hunter.
I think he has like a lacerated liver. You talk
about his son having like kidney problems.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
His other probably a lacerated kidney.
Speaker 7 (14:04):
His other son was driven into the turf last week
so bad that the kid was kicked out of the game.
Like he's almost putting his players in harms way by
not coaching that kind of disrespectful talk that we saw
to Oregon. They're gonna start playing some really good teams here, Doug.
And these teams aren't just out to beat them. They
seem to be out to make them look bad too.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Yeah, and and Kylauta State, it's not okay that you
hit a guy after the whistle.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
It's not okay.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
But what I think you're getting at is like, no
matter how well coached or how well like, Coladas State
kind of lost their minds a little bit. They should
have won that game. There was a holding call even
the first half on their center. They would have been
up twenty eight fourteen. They kind of lost their minds
a little bit. But part of it is like you're
you're turbo charging guys that there. It's it's like, uh,
(15:00):
it's like you put nitrous inside of a Chevy Nova, right, Like,
we think it's just gonna make everything faster and everything better,
but sometimes those engines explode because they're not meant to
be play at that level. They're not meant to drive
at that speed. And everybody has in eu odometer or
something that goes up to like a hundred or something,
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but that doesn't mean you drive that fast in that car.
They start shaking and they become incredibly difficult to control.
And that's what's happening here is that every game is
becoming everyone's biggest game. And it's like football is a
very violent sport. I don't need to tell people, but
if you haven't realized it, you make you make a
(15:43):
really good point, and you're sending guys out there and
they're talking trash and they're becoming faces of Colorado football,
but they also becoming faces.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Of trash talk.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
And when what every football coach I ever played for
would tell me, okay, is the same thing essentially that
these guys are like, play through the whistle to the
end of the whistle, but they want to talk. You
do all you're talking with how hard you hit them?
And look at the results the past two weeks. Yeah,
(16:16):
that doesn't mean that you need to be super fake humble.
That doesn't mean that you need to mumble and say
yes or and somehow appease the masses. There's a big
gap there. There's a gap there between that and the
week before Travis. I mean like you could not be
a more direct Correlation's video of Travis Hunter saying you're weak,
(16:40):
you're soft, you're not you're not tough, you're not big.
You know, nobody's scared of you. And then he gets
hit and put in the hospital, and then the very
next week, Shiloh Sanders saying he's gonna kick everybody's asses.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
You guys are really small? Why are they so small?
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Laughing at them as they're warming up, dusting their feet
off on the oh, and then guests who ends up
also going to the hospital, Like there's a This is
pretty simple stuff. So again, are we gonna watch this weekend?
Of course, there's gonna be energy towards USC running it
(17:17):
up on them.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Of course. Are they gonna be some really hard hits?
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Does that mean that.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Colorado has to walk in like they fear like they
fear USC? No, absolutely not. You are you have to
have a belief in self. You have to have a
belief in your teammates, and you have to think, hey,
we're better than you. I don't care what your name is.
I love that shador standers start of the year. I'm
not scared of names.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Don't be.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
But you also, and this is a big thing, you
have to respect your opponents. And those last two teams
specifically felt disrespected. And when people feel disrespect they can
It can happen in all kinds of ways. I mean,
look what happened to Spider in Good Fellas, Right, I
(18:08):
thought you said, I thought you said of you? Okay, Spider,
I thought you said of you you okay?
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Right.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
All it takes is one dude who's crazy looney tunes
to hit you after after the whistle, or hits you
really really hard in just the right spot, and we
see what happened.
Speaker 5 (18:24):
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Speaker 1 (18:32):
App Stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Let's welcome to John Mittalcoff.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
He was a GA in college and then a scout
in the National Football League and now he is a
world renowned podcaster covering He's got a golf podcast, but
mostly focusing on the Nation Football League. It's called three
and Out, and he joins us. Obviously a big week
for both because you got Ryder Cup as well. But
before we get to the NFL, I want to add
ask you about Oregon Colorado and just a smashing last week.
(19:06):
But some people's reaction to Dan Lanning and how he
prepared his team. I don't know if you seen the
five minute like video thing by by the Organ's like
digital team, but his whole you know, you'd say, with
your pads and your helmet. I mean, like, look, I
think there's there's a reason Travis Hunter and now Shiloh
Sanders both go to the hospital they get hit. I
(19:29):
think they're creating an energy that maybe they're not ready for.
Speaker 8 (19:32):
Yeah, I mean I've seen it all. I thought the reaction,
which you know a large percentage of it is former
NFL players to Dan Lanning that aren't ogon. You know,
Oregon Ducks was embarrassing. I mean, it's a joke. He
can say whatever he wants one the equipped that Oregon
put out and listen, I'm all for like, it's coach,
(19:54):
This is not the pros. There's a reason most pro
coaches talk somewhat the same because there's no recruiting involved.
It's just the NeXT's nose matchup every Sunday. Right in college,
recruiting is a huge part of your job. Being on
the natural marketer. He can do whatever he wants, but
he always can back it up right as a player.
(20:14):
The clip of those players talking to the Oregon Ducks, who,
let's say this beside Travis Hunter who has a split
liver or whatever, and probably Shadoor and a couple other guys.
Oregon wouldn't recruit any of those guys, right, So those
guys acting like they're Deon Sanders to Oregon. I actually
thought it was pretty impressive by Dan Lanning to have
(20:35):
his voice because I would say, historically, you're a little
older than me. Like back in the heyday of some
of the big time matchups, both teams would yap, especially
when there was a lot of like you know, burning
just hype behind the game. Oregon didn't. They acted superior
and then they played superior. So to me, the look
is the players from Colorado like started to believe they're
(20:59):
Deon and clearly they're not.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Yeah, Shiloh his son, you're not your dad, Dude, you're
not You're not your dad. That's it.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
I mean again, Dion talked to talk and walk to walk.
Shiloh did not.
Speaker 8 (21:11):
And when you say most of the cocky teams, at
least in my lifetime, some of the urban squads, I'd
say Alabama's cocky. But Nick doesn't really allow them to talk.
You know. Obviously the the U forever Ohio States that
had some teams.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Yeah, Florida State, Yeah, yeah, no, but but but remember
the U end up at at the end of the
first run of the U and maybe even the second
on of the U.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
And it wasn't just that they were cheating.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
It was that all of that stuff went way overboard,
right it all it gets to a limit and then
goes overboard. Remember they they were I don't know if
they're in the Cotton Bowl or something. They were all
wearing military fatigues. Like it just reaches the point you're like, oh, like,
no matter how much you liked them, it went overboard.
It felt like without a lot with with with three
games success surprising a lot of people, it started to
(21:59):
go overboard before Saturday.
Speaker 8 (22:01):
I don't like some people do get triggered by anything,
Dion says, because I do believe, and you and I
have talked about like he's an old school football guy. Yes,
like they tackle in practice. A lot of things he
teaches the guys, remember his introductionory no hat, like he's
his social media presence and the way he is I
think one on one with guys and probably a practice
a lot different. But him saying after the game, you
(22:24):
better get us now we're coming, you know a little.
You know Dan Hurley, Well, Dan Hurley is like he
had a squad. You are a long way away. Now
you can say, like he's not playing Oregon anymore. Right,
they're going their separate ways. And same thing with USC
and Texas and Oklahoma aren't going to be there. But
you are a long long way away. I don't care
how good you can recruit from clearly the top. What
(22:46):
would you say ten to fifteen programs. I mean, the
TCU game was an impressive win, but it turns out
like TCU was not what they were and the Oregon
team obviously USC. I mean I watched because this game
was such a blowout. I ended up watching a lot
of the Utah UCLA games. Utah's defense is elite. I mean,
(23:07):
Colorado's going to be in for a long day. I
mean they have NFL guy and they always do, so
it's just going to be very, very difficult. Like the team,
it's pretty obvious. The Pac twelve is i would say
the top, the deepest at the top in the country,
and a lot of those teams have NFL guys on defense.
Everywhere where. Historically it's kind of been offensive conference, especially
(23:28):
the last whatever decade and a half. It's pretty defense.
Washington play d USC camp, but their offensilely in Utah
is just basically like, you know, an SEC defense.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Right now, John Minokopp's our guest here on the Doug
Ott Leap Show on Fox Sports Radio. If you were
advising Burrow, would you have advised him to play last night?
Speaker 8 (23:47):
Well, I think the hard part about the NFL, you know,
and it's obviously a hot topic in basketball, right but
you have so many games, like whatever, I missed fifteen
to twenty games, it doesn't matter in football. What was
ray Lewis's fame?
Speaker 2 (24:00):
You know?
Speaker 8 (24:00):
Comment like they pay me Monday through Saturday, Sundays and
for free. The whole point of football, what makes it
all fun is playing the game. Because most of it
the rehab, the meetings. You actually don't practice that much
relative to how much time you spend getting ready for opponents.
But that's it's kind of can be redundant, not as fun.
(24:21):
It's all about the games, and I have a lot
of respect. You know, the game I grew up on
was just very old school guys. Now there is a
line right where you want to be able to walk,
but a calf injury as long as like he's not
you know sometimes right Derek Rose, it was constantly like
hurting other partty parts because he was overcompensating. As long
(24:42):
as it's not something like that and he's not more
likely like Karen Aciel and the other leg or terror
and Achilles, then like that's just that's kind of football,
isn't it. Now? There is a balance when you factor
in how much guys make and how much you just
invested in them. Is it risky? But also what's he
gonna need need to get fully right a month off?
So I think it's kind of a tough spot, but
(25:04):
I respect the hell out of him from playing.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
What's what do you think of how Jalen Hurts is playing.
Speaker 8 (25:12):
Definitely doesn't look like his MVP level itself last year.
I would say, clearly, you know, last night he's sick
or whatever in his ragining, his running, which really was
awesome his early in his career, doesn't you know, he's
not really doing it and passing it's just not even arguable.
It's just off. He had some big plays last night,
(25:33):
but what he was last year we haven't seen yet.
Now they're a little lucky that this team is so
stacked that he actually they don't need the MVP Jalen
Hurts probably to compete to win the Super Bowl. If
he just can play a little bit better than he's playing,
they're clearly going to be the right there with the
forty nine ers. So you know, if he doesn't have
(25:54):
to play like he did in Kansas City, because I
think their defense man they're so good the line of
scrimmage and now DeAndre Swift running like this. It's clearly
not twenty twenty two versions at the end of September,
but I wonder if their team might be slightly more talented,
especially with this infusion of youth. I mean, Kyln Carter
(26:15):
they lose Javon Hargrave, who's been awesome for the forty
nine ers, and they replace them with like a bigger, faster,
younger guy. So now part of when you draft risk
quote unquote risky guys, teams that pass in a guy
like him, right, they know when he plays, if he's
got his mind right and healthy, he's gonna look sweet.
They basically pass because they don't think it's too much
(26:36):
of a risk for the long haul. So can he
go the whole season without something happened? Can he go
several years? How something happened? Time will tell. But for
three games he looks like a pretty elite player, doesn't he?
Speaker 2 (26:47):
He does? He does.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Okay, I know it's easy to make it about Miami
because the play calling and explosiveness to everything is unbelievable,
But I don't. You don't give up three hundred yards
rushing unless dudes quit? What is going on in Denver?
Speaker 8 (27:04):
Yeah, I mean, I think obviously now in this modern
day is probably the word quit and taps out gets
thrown around a little too much. But I would rather
lose like fifty to three, like that's seventy like that
is Listen, I was obviously not born in nineteen sixty
six when that record was set, But I don't think
that record has anything in common with what just had.
(27:29):
Seventy and twenty twenty three is dramatically worse than anything
that happened on that field in the mid sixties. It
just is, especially when you factor in that you have
a high price coach and last year your defense with
a lot of guys returning, was pretty solid. It's one
thing to get beat. You know, you can play well
and get beat like the Panthers. I think they tried
against Seattle. Seadds is better and they lose by ten points,
(27:50):
and they give up thirty seven or whatever, seventy points
and clearly, Mike, they were running the ball. They weren't
even trying. But I get the huge reflection of one.
Sean Payton wanted Vick Fanjo to be a defensive coordinator.
He had talked openly about it. But the problem is
when he went to Denver, Vick had just recently been fired.
He wasn't gonna go back there, so he ended up
(28:13):
going with another guy Denver fired years ago, Vance Joseph,
and Vance Joseph is just not very good at his job,
especially compared to a Vic Fangoe. Look at the two
coordinators in that game. I know Miami were judging them
on offense, but think of this offseason McDaniel needed a
new defensive coordinator. Who do you go out and get
one of the best in the league what Sean Payton
do And they're both offensive coordinators. So it's not only
(28:34):
you're spending an inordinate amount of extra time with the offense.
You were very dependent on the defense. And we've seen
it with Sean Payton when he had good defensive coordinators
in the time with the New Orleans Saints. They were
good when he didn't remember they were scoring points when
they were going seven to nine. I remember that little
stretch there in the mid twenty ten. Wasn't like their offense.
Suck couldn't stop the soul. So Sean Payton has a
(28:54):
serious defensive problem on top of just with Russell. Was
not the reason they lost on Sunday, But from a
macro perspective, his contract and he's not an all star
level player, is a problem.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Do you think the Vikings trade Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 8 (29:09):
I just don't know where they would trade him, Like
where does he go?
Speaker 5 (29:13):
Right?
Speaker 8 (29:13):
I mean the Niners don't need him. We know Kyle
loves him a lot of the McVeigh guy.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
You don't think the Niners need him? No, can they win?
Can they win a Super Bowl? As they stand at quarterback?
Speaker 8 (29:25):
I don't think. I think Kyle Shanahan's used Brock thirty
as his new Kirk Cousins, And when you factor in
the money, he ain't Bnking brought thirty to trade of
draft pick kind they would give him away, so I
would be suns. I guess you could never say never.
I also think he kind of likes Sam Donald too,
(29:45):
so yeah, I think there may be more likely if
some team was out of it and there was Again,
I'm not saying this guy would be traded like if
Christian Worfs was available or you know, some Aaron Donald
level guy. Because they have a bunch of cap for him,
they would do something like that before they traded for
Kirk Cousins. With Kirk Cousins is fine, but I don't
(30:06):
think I would take Brock thirty over him right now,
especially with a factor in the money, So I that's
not an option the Jets. You know what the Jets
problem is is the forty nine ers last year mentally
had checked out from Tree Lance, like they just the
training camp was rough. They it was not going well
before he got injured. So what did they do this offseason?
They brought in reinforcements and they already knew that more
(30:27):
than likely he wasn't going to beat out Sam Darnold,
and they just moved on from the problem. The Jets
were so emmostionly tied still to Zach Wilson. And the
thing at quarterback, Like if I draft a defensive lineman
and he and I missed, he can rotate in, so
I plant you can quarterback.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Still play him quarterback that you need a play or
not play?
Speaker 5 (30:45):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Every step yeah, and the line is bad. So it's
not you can run the football and hide him. You
can't hide and the line.
Speaker 8 (30:56):
It's a disaster. So but that the money and Rogers
kind of the elephant in the room. He's coming back.
So they have to give up the second round pick
for Rogers. So would they trade either third and fourth
round picks? I don't know. I don't know if I
don't see a spot where he gets a lot of
young quarterbacks around the league. Maybe Atlanta, but who knows,
Like Atlanta lose this weekend. All of a sudden you
(31:17):
look up there like one to.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Three last thing, Chargers go for it on fourth in
less than the yard at their own twenty four people
I've talked to the Chargers were all on board with it,
all of them even afterwards. Is this a universally thought decision,
agreed with decision in football?
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Now?
Speaker 8 (31:38):
What I mean? You and I probably I feel like
hearing all these people talk about this. Brandon Saley has
been doing this from day one. The least surprising thing
watching that game was him going for it in that spot.
He always does. He has pretty consistently, remember back to
the Raider game Sunday Night Football. To get in the playoffs,
he will go for it in that spot because he
(31:58):
knows people above him are cool of it. My issue
with him is why is the defense so terrible? Why
are guys wide open constantly? Why are there huge you
know ways for running backs and just walk eight yards?
Of course you're going to go for it and people.
That was the reason I've been out on Brandon Staley
from year one. It's that. Now, that's an organizational philosophy.
That's crazy, I mean, but that is their philosophy and
(32:22):
I were you shocked when he did it? Because I
was not.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
I was I was surprised.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
And then I texted a couple people on when they're
on the plane on the way home. They're like, all
of them are like seventy five percent conversion, Right, we're
good with it.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
I was like, what about the play call sucked?
Speaker 8 (32:35):
You know, like, what about your lack of run game?
What about your sister? I mean, right, you had.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Thirty one yards rush and you're gonna you're gonnasically run
a fullback dive like or we give to Justin Herbert,
who's got Parham, who's got you know, all these other weapons. Okay,
what how much does losing Mike Williams hurt him?
Speaker 8 (32:50):
I mean that's crushing, but he's been banged up throughout
Herbert's career. I think the problem is Herbert's just been
white out. I mean for them not to be like
a power right now has to feel pretty disappointing, right,
I mean, this kid gets better every year. What else
you want the guy to do? I just I think
(33:13):
that there are a lot of teams. I mean, you
look like the forty nine ers, like they got Brock
thirty and they're kicking everyone's button. We look, we got
Tustin Herbert, who's probably the most talented quarterback tfically we've
ever had in our franchise, and it's gonna be tough
for us to get to eight wins. I think it's
a macro, big picture issue with the Chargers when you
have the star young quarterback who is everything you want
(33:34):
from a character standpoint, walktic standpoint, and from a production standpoint.
So what are you gonna do is just go this season,
probably goes seven to eight wins, nine, missed the playoffs,
and then fire them and it's just what a wasted year.
I don't it feels like it's inevitable.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
I I don't know. I still they had the Bears
in the schedule. I think the division has, you know,
has at least the division has at least four wins on it.
I think they make the PLAYFU. But yeah, not not.
They can't stop somebody.
Speaker 8 (34:02):
Their margin for error is pretty swim right, I mean
they can't.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
It is.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
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Speaker 2 (34:09):
Johnny, thanks so much better.
Speaker 5 (34:11):
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Speaker 2 (34:29):
Let's get to a game.
Speaker 5 (34:33):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Moncy Belanos, what's the game today?
Speaker 9 (34:42):
Well, once again, this is Moncey doing her sensational Isaac
loncron impersonation. And I will tell you this, today's game
is as easy as one, two four, I mean, got it.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Rank them.
Speaker 9 (34:55):
We'll rank the top three teams. I'm we're not gonna
rank him. You're going to rank him. Rank the top
three teams in the American Football.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
American Football Conference as of right now. You have to
put the Dolphins in one, right, Yeah, gotta put the
Dolphins at one. Outside that, I mean, we would we
just fell all over ourselves about this, about this conference,
and you know there have been some disappointing outputs. I'm
(35:28):
gonna put the Chiefs it two and Bills it three.
So Bill's Chiefs Dolphins.
Speaker 10 (35:38):
Follow it up with the same thing from the NFC.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
From the National Football Conference.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Right there, I will put the Niners at one, the
Eagles at two, and at three. Yeah, I will still
have the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 9 (35:58):
Okay, all right. I don't want to get you in
trouble with certain sections of people out there, but I
kind of do. I want you to rank. To cap
this up, I want you to rank the top three
most annoying fan bases in sports. Take it in whatever
direction you want, pro college, anything.
Speaker 6 (36:21):
Almost annoying fan bases in sports, Okay, I think I
know one.
Speaker 10 (36:37):
Unfortunately, there's a lot to choose from it.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
There's a lot to choose from.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Yeah, lots lots to choose from.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Number three is going.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
To be.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
Laker fans. Fair, fair Laker fans. Number two is going
to be Jets fans, and number one is Red Sox fans.
Speaker 10 (37:01):
All right, I'm gonna go check your mentions.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Anymore.
Speaker 10 (37:07):
No, that's it.
Speaker 5 (37:10):
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Speaker 1 (37:15):
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