June 27, 2025 • 38 mins
Doug reacts to comments made by New York talk show host Peter Rosenberg that Cooper Flagg will have a Caitlin Clark-like impact on the NBA. Doug weighs in on the question of whether or not Aaron Rodgers was better in his prime than Patrick Mahomes is. Doug welcomes former NFL executive and former Bucs GM Mark Dominik onto the show to talk about Rodgers, the Eagles and the other major headlines around the NFL. Plus, Monse Bolanos takes Doug through a game of "I GOT DIBBS!".
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 3 (00:24):
It's a Friday. I hope you're ready for a great
summer weekend.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Alright, NBA season is in the books, and so is
the NBA Draft.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I mean I find it hard to find a heart
of fake interest in things. And it's not because you know,
there's a young man I got a chance to work
with as a consultant two years ago, Javon Small draft
yesterday he was at West Virginia. Year before that he
was at Oklahoma State from South Bend, Indiana. Just just
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a stud of a young man. So really happy for him.
But you know, what did we really gain from less
having a second day of an NBA draft?
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:17):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
I don't know, but we do have lots to talk
about and some interesting topics. So Cooper Flag, as we
told you he is. Look, he's kind of the great
White Hope, a American born white player that is the
number one pick in the NBA draft, and like, we
can dance around it. But generally American born players that
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have been highly regarded, highly successful in the NBA have
all been either a black or mixed race. I mean,
that's just the reality of it. The guys with the
whiter skin, the whiter guys have been foreign born players
who have played well and dominated. American born white players
have not. So it adds to the intrigue. I'm not
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going to sit here and deny that. It adds to
the intrigue of the I just wonder Larry Bird said
black man's game. But I always find it interesting on
how people try and combined the women's game in the
men's game and ESPN, well they do it. They do
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their thing. And there's a radio host, by the way,
is very successful as an FMDJ, and he's done radio
on the sports side as well. He's done both. And
his names but Peter Rosenberg, and he was on First
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Take today and here's what he said about Cooper Flag
in comparison to Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 5 (02:55):
We're all adults we can have a real life conversation
right now. Last time I checked, we still live in America, right.
Cooper Flag is a white guy, maybe the best white
American prospects since Larry Bird. Right, Let's not act as
if we don't live in America. We're not seeing what's
happening with Caitlin Clark in the WNBA. Cooper Flag is
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going to be an instant impact player in the NBA.
I think Danny will agree, he is ready to go.
That kid could play right now if he's nearly as
good as people expect. I think when it comes to intrigue,
actual intrigue that people are talking about day to day,
no one's going to be more intriguing get more eyeballs
than what Cooper Flag's doing in Dallas.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Okay, so there's a lot to ingest there. The idea
that he's going to be an instant impact player, again,
what does that exactly mean? I think he's going to
be good. I also think he's eighteen years old, and
I think you know that's a team where again they'll
look like one thing before Cayrie comes back. Kyrie will
take it well to adjust, but Anthony Davis to be
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the best player on the team, and Cooper Flag would
have a chance to develop on a pretty good playoff
caliber team and we'll see how he's used. But the
discussion I want to have is not about Cooper Flag.
The discussion I want to have is about Caitlin Clark
because what was not so subtly said there by Peter
Rosenberg is I think the walking narrative of many WNBA
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players and some WNBA fans, which is basically, hey, the
reason that we're paying attention to Kaitlin Clark is because
she's white. I didn't miss here that I didn't misconstrue that.
I think that's what anyone can gain her from it.
The problem with that is that the women's game is
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not the men's game. The women's game is not the
men's game. And whether it's Sue Bird or Elena deladon,
uh you even move it to the current players and
a Kelsey Plumb or the rookie who they'll compete against
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the night in a page Beckers, Last time I checked,
they're all white.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Right, they're all white.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
So if people are paying attention to Caitlyn Clark because
she's white, why haven't they paid attention when Elena Deladon
was the best player in the WNBA. Why why aren't
they paying more attention to Paige Beckers. Why is Kelsey
Plum despite the fact that she scored at one point
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time the most I think points of second most points
of anybody in college basketball, why didn't she receive the
same fanfare? I'm asking because I know what the answer is,
right and if you want to say, well, it was
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because she was the thing in college, Like again, page
Backers was a bigger thing in high school and played
at the absolute biggest women's college basketball program in the
country at Yukon and just won a national championship. I
don't even think it's because she's straight. Do I think
that she's white and that she's straight and that she
looks like the girl next door are added things that
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may attract a small percentage of people, maybe, But I
honestly believe that there's two parts to it, or maybe three,
where she's a force multiplier, force multiplier, force multiplier in
how she plays, but in her overall presence and demeanor
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force multiplier. She makes everybody around her better. She makes
everything sort of bigger, and she obviously was the rising
tide that lifted all those ships in at Iowa. They
didn't win a national championship, but they went back to
back final fours, and if you look historically, it's been
a really good program. You know what hadn't done previously,
gone a back to back final fource.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
It's the force multiplier. So that's the first thing.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Second thing is it's style of play. We're so attracted
to how Steph Curry played that. And again, part of
the magic to Steph Curry is he takes the same
shots she's shooting, only he doesn't go through the shooting
slumps she's going through. But the Steph Curry logo threes
combined with the passing, the panache and then the winning
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and you have the second I think kind of tent
pole to uh to it. And then I think location
helps her. I think the fact that she the Midwestern
girl from Iowa played at Iowa, all about the Midwest
draft in the Midwest where they actually really really care
about basketball and feel like they care about their own
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I think all the those things work. And it reminds
me of a book called The Tipping Point by Malcolm Gladwell,
where it's basically case studies on what was the tipping
point which allowed red wing shoes to blow up? What
was the tipping point for anything? And my takeaway from
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the book has always been and continues to be that
it's never just one factor, but it's all wrapped up
in a perfectly packaged, perfectly timed and a little bit
of luck that ends up making things go big, making
things go big, I know, I mean, think about think
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about Starbucks in comparison to however many other chains there
have been. Coffee Bean and Tea Leaf used to be bigger.
Starbucks race past it.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
Right.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Starbucks went to drive throughs for a good reason because
you can make a ton more money on those drive throughs,
but it did. That was a massive evolution for Starbucks
when Howard Schultz owned star When he started Starbucks and
they started to expand, the whole idea was it was
your third place. First place is home, your second place's work.
They wanted to be your third place to where you
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could hang out and do work or feel like you're
at home and have conversations. And they didn't want to
do drive throughs. But then they were going to make
so much money to drive throughs, they had to do
it and had to expand. Probably over expanded. Remember there's
a time which they during the economic downturn, they closed
a lot of stores, but those drive throughs allowed them
to survive and even thrive during COVID, whereas your mom
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and pop coffee shops where everybody got to sit inside
and talk, those were left in the dust. Point is
that it's not just one factor. It's a multitude of
factors that allows something to be successful. But for whatever reason,
people seemed completely locked in on the fact that Kaitlyn
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Clark is white and that's why people care about Kaitlyn
Clark and she is white.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
There's no denying. Is there a curiosity towards it?
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Maybe, But in the women's game, it's really about fifty
to fifty and oh yeah. By the way, who we
care about and who we like and who we watch
the most doesn't have to be the best. And I
honestly think the NFL is a great example. I give
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credit to Jay Stu. He pointed out to start the
year and he's like, look, it's been trending this way.
I think this is the worst year ever for it.
Where the NFL at times is not a great product.
Now how they package it is really good. It's a
great TV sport. It works for gambling, it works for
fantasy football, whatever, But the actual gameplay not the greatest, right,
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even college football not the greatest. But you don't always
watch things because they're the best. You don't watch the cleanest,
the best sport because of why you watch it. You know,
there's a discussion over do you watch college you watch pro?
And I thought Jay Billis pointed out really well the
other day on a podcast where he was talking about
basketball and that if you like college basketball, we watch
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college basketball, and you don't watch the NBA. You're not
watching it because the quality of the product. You're watching
it for another reason. You know, a kid, you're intrigued
by what's the future of the sport like, But more
than anything, a tie or an infatuation with a coach
or university.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
That's it. It's not the best.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
So Caitlin Clark probably not the best player in the NBA.
She's incredibly impactful, and we pay attention to her.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Is she white? Yeah? Is she straight? Sure?
Speaker 2 (11:52):
But there have been other white, straight players who have
been very, very good players in the WNBA, and they
have not received a fraction of the attention of a
Caitlin Clark. Now there'll be case studies done, and maybe
I'm wrong, but I think her location staying in a
school for four years when everybody else was bouncing to
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school to school, to school to school. Hailey Bandwidth for example,
by the way, Hailey vandlith also white, right, the dynamic
of how she plays, how she carries herself, being in
the Midwest, being a force multiplier, taking Eyewa a back
to back final fource. Her performance for the most part
when those bright lights are on, have been outstanding, and
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people like what they like, and once they decide what
they like, what they decide that that's going to be
a favorite. On my phone and update me on what
she does. You can study it, you can argue about it,
but she's not going to change it. So you know,
I hate that I'm saying this, but gosh, that really
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fell in line with everything New York of Peter Rosenberg right,
fall back on everything being about race and not about
substance or not about style or not about the things
that it's really about. And if you think I'm wrong, okay,
just Diana Tarassi. She's white. She was the best player
in the WNBA for a handful of years. Some people
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think she's the greatest WNBA player ever. I think then
she win four titles at UCUNN. So what you get
from many of these women is just jealousy, and what
you get from people who aren't these women is an
explanation which is wrapped around race. The problem with it
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is it's a red herring. It already exists. Great white
players have already been there. Kelsey Plumb already played four
years and scored over three thousand points, Elena Dela Don,
Diana Tarazi, Sue Byrd. Last time I checked, they're all white,
and some of them are, in fact stray some of
them are not. Do I think am?
Speaker 3 (14:02):
I am?
Speaker 2 (14:03):
I blind to the fact that that's probably there's a
percentage of people. Sure, there's also always going to be
a percentage of people that in basketball, when you're white,
they don't think you're as good as somebody who's not,
so they won't buy in, so they won't watch. I
actually think that kind of crossed each other out. The
fact that she's straight. I guess Kelsey plump straight. She
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was married to an NFL player, now she's divorced. Like,
I don't think that's it. Girl, next door. Maybe in
the packaging. I think the biggest things are that it's
she's a force multiplier, and people are attracted to that,
they watch that, they want to know how that happens.
I think style of play, and then again the loyalty component,
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the Midwest component, combined with some other factors and timing,
I think it just works.
Speaker 6 (14:53):
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Speaker 2 (15:04):
Stuck ott Leap Show Fox Sports Radio. So Big Ben's
kind of he's kind of figured out this podcast stuff. Right,
do lists talk about big names get yourself in the mix.
My guess is Big Ben Roethisberger wants to be on
TV and here's how.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
He's gonna here's how he's gonna do it.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
I don't know whether his early career off field stuff
ends up keeping him from doing that. I don't know,
but he's on a podcast called Football and with Ben Roethlisberger,
he made this declaration.
Speaker 7 (15:39):
Well, I would take Aaron and his prime over over
Patrick Now, I think I think yeah, I think Aaron
Rodgers at his prime was one of the top few
to ever do it. And so with Patrick Mahomes his prime,
Patrick Mahomes is just just like entering out of his prime.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
I think.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
It's a that's a fascinating discussion. It's a fascinating discussion.
Aaron Rodgers or Pat Mahomes. Aaron Rodgers in his prime
over Pat Mahomes. Yeah, I again, I don't have Here's
what I've said about Aaron Rodgers. There's boxes that you
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have to check, and most guys are missing something right,
Like if you want to say Tom Brady, Like Tom
Brady was not athletics, so if you could get to
him at his feet, so he didn't move the way
Aaron moved, didn't move the way air moved, Steve Young
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got hurt a lot. I guess that's the you know,
when Steve Young went through a period of time early
in his career, wasn't very good, went to the USFL,
you know, was a backup, earned his way back in
and then became a Hall of It was amazing. Steve Young,
I feel like probably gonna go down as one of
the best quarterbacks to never to be in that discussion
when he played, and never be in that discussion since
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Pat Peyton Manning.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Not a great.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Arm uh nimble into pocket obviously not out of the pocket.
Unbelievable quarterback. Not a great arm made it work anyway,
played indoors or an altitude.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Not a great arm. So they all have something.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Damn Reno completely immobile and had to play in the
shotgun a bunch because of that mobility, and they never
had a running game. But part of the reason they
never had a running game was he couldn't be under
center and also didn't win enough. Now you could say
the same thing about Rogers, but there's a lot of
NSC championship games, a couple of Super Bowls.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Was do you lose the Super Bowl? Definitely won a
Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Sin's But if you want to go through the boxes,
you got to check right, does he have the arm
strength yes, accuracy yes, mobility sure, brain yes, leadership. I
think the answer is yes. I would say the one
thing that would be missing. And here's where we all
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have blind spots, right, we all have blind spots. I
think Big Ben, by the way, was elite, elite, elite,
but sometimes you have a blind spot for likability, and
Aaron wasn't unlikable like Erin.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
If you get to know him. Great dude.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
A lot of guys really like him. But it's not
like he's close with a lot of guys. It's not
like there are people trying to kill themselves to be
Aaron's guy and Aaron's supporter, whereas Mahomes and others they
have this it's almost like they're a politician where they
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just win. If you sit down with him, you're like,
oh my god, are we best friends? He has that,
but he also can turn it off a lot quicker
than they don't turn it off. Let's welcome in Mark dominic.
Of course, he was a gentlemanager the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
He's worked everywhere in professionals football ain't joined just for
his weekly visit here. On the Doug Gallop Show on
Fox Sports Radio, Big Ben said, prime Aaron Rodgers over
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prime Pat Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
What do you think?
Speaker 4 (19:14):
Oh, I don't think he's far away as great as
Patrick Mahomes is. I think because we've been a little
bit further removed from what we remember Aaron Rodgers being
that maybe we're not remembering prime Aaron Rodgers has been saying, like,
I mean I dealt with Baron, you know a couple
of times, specifically early in his career that was GM
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when Aaron was going equipped not forty touchdowns and having
like five or six interceptions a season. So it was painful,
you know, I think I think Ben's fair. I don't
think it's a It's not like some absurd statement. I
look at it that way. You know, there's a guy
that Aaron when I was a GM and deal with him,
he was completing sixty seven sixty eight summary that the
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kind of percentages going well over four thousand yards, and
he would as the poster child for like touchdown to
interception Raytio. I mean, he was the best. And so
I don't think that's a search statement is as great
as you know. Obviously Patrick's have been.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Stut Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. There is
a there is a factor though, and again I wasn't
in the Packers' organization, and I think some of how
we view it now is how it ended, not how
it was during the during the meat of those years
where he had a lot better relationships I think with teammates.
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But there is a certain likability factor that you have
to have at quarterback, is there not?
Speaker 4 (20:35):
Yes, I think it's very I mean, I do think
it's important, but I don't think that the guys like
I don't remember guys in Green Bay, like you know,
the old school receivers are you know driver, But also
you know obviously Dante. No one never spoke ill of Aaron,
I know, since I think the media didn't like him
or something like some people had to part. I't remember
players like ever coming out and somebody this guy's a jerk.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Yeah no, no, it's it's he wasn't unlikable, But I
don't know if they loved him. I don't know if
it was the same. I again could be wrong and
a lot. I think some of it is outsider to
the main years, and it changes over time. And of course,
you know when you bounce team to team here late
in your career, some of that stuff changes as well.
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Mark Domini, our guest. You're in the Doug Go Outlet
Show on Fox Sports Radio. I'm intrigued by Kayleb Williams.
You know, he's Jason Stewart, who I know you talked to.
He's our producer here. I love the analogy that he
uses it. It's basically like the spouse or boyfriend that
gets caught cheating and is always having to gravel right,
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He's always and because they got him on tape saying
I want to be a Viking.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
I don't want to play.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
It's like he's over the top in the Oh my god,
this is the greatest thing ever.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
So where are you.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
On Caleb Williams on the likelihood of a more successful
second year in his career.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
I think you know, and you remember, and we talked
about last year. I liked Caleb Williams, but I wasn't
the number one to Caleb Williams guy. I just felt
like he thought it was gonna be easy and things
were going to come naturally, and it was just gonna
be like I'm gonna walk to the NFL and own
this thing, and it's just not like that. That's how
this league works. It's certainly very hard to do that. However,
that all being said, I think the Bears have done
a tremendous job of improving that offensive line. I think
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a lot of us kind of forget that Caleb Williams,
you know, did have a good season, except he's the
number one pick and so you're holding him to a
different standard, right. I think that that's the hard thing
for him when you kind of look at what is
expected out of him versus what he delivered, you know,
more touchdowns, certainly, I think everybody would want to see
better expect that from Caleb Williams, and I think we'll
see that this year again. Protections everything and you know,
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you want to see the biggest jump of any NFL
player from like year one to year two. Think of
Trevor Lawrence. He was if you want to compare a
first overall pick and how he did. Trevor Lawrence was
terrible then his first year. I mean he threw what
twelve touchdowns, eight to seventeen eighteen interceptions versus twenty and
six for Caleb Williames. So there was good things there.
It's just that Jaden Daniels was wow, and I think
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that kind of hurt the look of Caleb. Hopefully he's
grown up through this. I think he will improve this year.
I still don't know if he's going to get it
and understand exactly what you're talking about. Aaron Rodger is
how to become more of a genuine likable guy by
the things that come out of his mouth sometimes.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the
voice of Mark Dominic, long time in the NFL, most
notably a gentle manager with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Okay,
so then you go to Minnesota, a team that they've
had back to back starting quarterbacks who have left on
back to back years. But they put up gargantuan numbers,
gark gantuan numbers, and the thought is, man, you got
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a former quarterback who's a play color, he got skilled
position guys everywhere. But now you have JJ McCarthy who
hasn't played a snap and he's played in college with
a highly conservative system him. How do you think they
bring him up to speed in real time.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
I don't think it's going to be as hard as
I think people think. You know, thankfully JJ did get
to play in one preseason game and got to throw
the ball around a little bit before. You know, obviously
the Dost injury. The one thing even in the preseason,
in the one game he played, one thing that's really important.
He took zero sacks, and that's a big deal for
a young quarterback. You know that he's got the awareness
to know to get the ball out of his hands
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and not take the negative play and he did a
good job in that and that was you know, you
can't really judge a lot off the preseason, but at
least can just judge decision making in poise and JJ
showed that. And now with an offseason of you know,
being able to really dig into the book really to
understand what's expected, to watch it from the field is tough,
but I think he's going to have a lot of
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success because again, I think he's got the charisma it part,
but I also think he's got the mental acuity that
you're looking for at quarterback where he makes the right
decision with the football. Will there be some and now,
of course he's JJ McCarthy. He's going to be in
his quote unquote rookie season or his first year to
actually play. But I'm not surprised the Viking's handed them
to the ball and sad go get this because they
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have the confidence to draft them more they did, and
you know, I think that they've seen a lot of him,
probably over the last couple of weeks, but also before
the injury, they were probably wowed by him by what
he was doing, you know, within the organization before he
got banged up.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Stuck Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. I love
the Patriots higher, I just do. But what does that
look like on the field considering the competitiveness of that division?
Speaker 4 (25:36):
Uh? You know, I you know, I love Rabel, I
like I like the people within the front office. I
like the coaching staff that they've got together. I think
they're going to be good. The problem is the roster
still too far away for that division. They're still you know,
they're fighting I think for third place at best, even
though Brabel has done a great job with you know,
some teams that may not have had as much talent.
But I do think that it's a good team. But
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they are at least one, if not two seasons away
from really being competitive with the even the Dolphins. And
I don't say that in the bad way of the
Miami Dolphins. I think if they can have to a
first season, they should be a playoff team. But certainly
they're not near where the Bills are right now. And
from just a pure talent standpoint, I think they're trying
to get there. They'll slowly get there, but the skill position,
the skill players just to me still aren't at the
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level that we see other teams in that division that
they have and that I think that's going to hold
him back.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Yeah, probably will, probably will hold up.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
What about the Chiefs, You know, Mahomes has just figured
out a way to get it done. And you know,
the last two Super Bowls they've been in, We're like, Wow,
this is the least talented they're going to be. What
have they done to their talent base?
Speaker 4 (26:42):
Well, I think one thing that's big, and then I
don't think of people really. You know, it's been a
very tumultuous time for his career, but she writes coming
back is a big deal, like he was really breaking
out and the player that I think everybody in Kansas
hoped you'd be, and certainly within the front office is
what and now him coming back is going to be
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a big bolst to that offense where you've got the
guys that can vertically Hollywood Brown and Xavier Worth, it
can go vertical, but Rashie Rice can do everything underneath.
That's a huge deal. My big concern about the Chiefs,
and I love the pick of Josh Simmons. I think
it was a steal for them to get him at
the bottom of the first round. But I still just
worry about like the you know, losing Joe Dooney, you know,
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the right tackle spot. Juan Taylor hasn't been really comfortable,
so I get more worried there. They're a physical football team.
The only thing I think that they wish they cab
had is a little more speed on the defensive side.
But I think the biggest thing you got to watch
as a Chiefs fan, and I think this is why
I think they'll take a little step down, is the
cornerback room's not strong like it has been before. I
think Jalen Watson can have a good year, but I
think they're looking at the other corner opposite of him
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with McDuffie probably inside of the nickel. That's going to
be a spot that I think people are going to
really pin and attack and where the Kansas City be
able to hold up because they know they've got power rushers,
but they really don't have the fastball rusher, which I
think they really really need.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Yeah, Okay, Eagles win the Super Bowl. Last time to
win the Super Bowl, lose your coordinators and they struggle.
This time, you lose your offensive coordinator. What's the Eagles
now trying to repeat? What does that that that team
look like with Saquon back, you know, with with so
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many back and some of those young players coming of age.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
Yeah, I think it's nice that Lane Johnson is going
to play and stay there. I think that's a big deal.
And again, I always go to the offensive line first,
and I feel really good about where they sit. You know,
the Cam Jurgens, albeit a different player than obviously Kelsey,
certainly was very productive in terms of their run game
and helping Saquon. The only thing you can worry about
is can they stay as healthy as they were, Like Ken,
Saquon stay as healthy as he was, You wonder about that. Defensively,
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I think, you know, besides Quinnon, Mitchell and Cooper Jeans
who came in and had just great years, They've got
other players on this team that I think are really
going to step up and step through this year. Like
I'm looking at guys like Kylie Ringo, the corner that
they drafted a couple of years ago. I think he's
a starting corner in the National Football I think he's
a really good one. I think Jaylex Hunt is a
guy that you know, I think is going to be
in a very very good pass rusher that by middle
(29:09):
of the season, Doug, We're gonna be talking about like
the Eagles, like, who are these guys that weren't starting
last year that suddenly start this year. So I think
they've got a lot of depth from the defensi side,
which is going to be the really exciting spot for them.
So I look at that, so I think defensively they're
going to be fine. I just think offensively, I hope
they can stay healthy. But I just feel like when
you when you look at Devonte Smith or you see
a sa Kuon Barkley, no one wishes are injuries. I
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just don't think they're gonna be as fortunate to have
them as many weeks as they did last year.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
I think that's I think that's completely and utterly fair.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
When you're in the league, like when you're in Tampa,
there are times, you know, before they got the Buccaneers
and I know this is after you gets Tom Brady.
There's lots of years which nobody really pays attention to you.
Is that a good thing or a bad thing within
for organizations, not not for the ownership right, maybe not
for making money, but in terms of trying to op
(30:00):
operate on a daily basis is it better because like we.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Never talk about Seattle. We don't, I mean very rarely.
You know, they got Donold, they got a new coach.
We didn't talk about Seattle.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Jacksonville maybe a little bit just because Trevor Lawrence seemingly
has been disappointing at some point, like we expected. But
you know, how often do we talk about New Orleans?
How often do we talk even about Houston has been
a playoff team past two years. You've operated in the
times that they're paying attention in times they don't. What's
a better way to operate when you're a general manager?
Speaker 4 (30:31):
Well, you know, shout out to Jason light getting his extensions.
He has, you know, he had to you know, kind
of walk through some tough years early on. But you
know what they've done in Tampa no one's talking about, right,
I mean, they've made the playoffs for five years in
a row. No one's ever done that, right or the
last what is it? They're the only NFC team to
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make the playoffs five years in a row. That's a
heck of a statement. And yet you don't even think
about it. When you think about Tampa Bay, you're like, Okay,
they're good. But but I think you appreciate being like that.
I mean, maybe you feel in the moment Doug when
I was at GM in Tampa, but even when I
was there with you know, coach Dungee and Coach Cruden
and we were having ups and downs are really great seasons, obviously,
you never really felt like, you know, you're always like, well,
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it's the Rodney Dangerfields kind of effected.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
You're like, well, no respect.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
Exactly, and so you feel that sometimes. But at the
same point, it's not bad to be in a bubble
where you're not the Jets, you're not the Eagles, You're
not this front page like what's wrong with you all
the time, even though you feel like that when you're
the gentleman of that football team. So John Schneider in Seattle,
he certainly feels the local stuff, but maybe the you know,
the the national stuff isn't quite the same. I think
it's good. I think it's helpful, even though sometimes again
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you don't get to respect. I think it's actually helps
you be able to, you know, kind of work through
like the tough spots without feeling like everything every little
decisions made is being analyzed, whether you're the Chicago Bears
or the New York Giants or Jets.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Uh listen, uh, Mark, I got to ask you. I mean,
the talk early in the week was about how Mary's
Haliburton tearing his achilles tendon, and well it's had, you know,
three stars to hear their achilles tendon in the playoffs.
I thought a lot of guys showed their limited focus
in that this has been happening in the NFL now right.
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I mean, you have three quarterbacks Kirk Cousins, Aaron Rodgers,
and Sean Watson touring their achilles tendant, granted all in
their thirties, but still like we hadn't had that volume.
And then there are younger players tearing their achilles tendon.
Why why do you think it is? Well, just venture,
fairly educated guess on why this is kind of this injury,
which was very rare before, has become a little bit
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more commonplace.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Well, part of it, I would say, quarterback wide, it's
probably not. I don't think it's like, well, the quarterbacks
are overtraining and therefore this I think it's because the
athletes are just for whatever however it's happening. Athletes are faster, bigger, stronger,
and so you know, just an extra little torque when
you get tackled the extull twister and you get knocked around.
Is putting strain on something because they're playing at such
(32:59):
a high level in a high speed. Now, I think
that that's what happens. I think the NBA is a
little bit that way in terms of like how you know,
it's not the physical game we grew up watching. I
grew up watching. It's it's a the NEETs and run
and gun kind of a thing, and so you know,
it's just a strain on that pendon. But I think
in the football, I think it's more because of you know,
the speed and the strength and power that we're seeing
(33:20):
from these young players. Are all these players and what
they're doing. Like I was just at the NFL Sacks
sum in Vegas. Literally just got home a couple hours ago,
but spent you know, two days out there in Las
Vegas with Max Crosby and Von Miller and Cam Jordan
and they're all working with you know, there was what
forty fifty young you know, defensive lineman, whether you're a
(33:41):
defensive tackle or a defensive end that are there and
they're just breaking down film and talking about how they
do that, how does Blan do this, how does Cam
do that? And then talking to the young guys about
what have you done? You know, where are you going
with your body? What are you doing? It's amazing, it's awesome,
and you think that that stuff never happened, and it's
you know, here are the guys. Everybody thinks like, well,
these players all after the fro mini camps, they go
home and now they're just kind of relaxing until they
(34:02):
get to kick, until they get the training camp. No,
the biggest guys are forty guys out there that were
working out in the UNLV's build, working on their pass rust,
then coming back and watching film from the elites of
best and getting coaching tips. That's where I think why
we see maybe more injuries, because these guys are training
at a crazy level trying to be the best they
can be.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
That's Mark Dominic.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
What's he know, He's only spent his entire professional life
in the Nation Football League kind of to spend some
time with us. Mark, thanks so much for joining us.
Really appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
Thanks, Doug Enjoy Weekend, Buddy.
Speaker 6 (34:31):
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Speaker 2 (34:39):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show. It's Fox Sports Radio Movement.
Let's get to the game. This is game time on
the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
Mantie, what's the game?
Speaker 6 (35:00):
Oh well, we're playing.
Speaker 8 (35:01):
It's Friday.
Speaker 6 (35:02):
So I got dis I got dabs.
Speaker 8 (35:04):
Let's see how many DIBs we can get through here, Coach,
let's start. What player would you tune in to watch
the home run derby? There's right now two on the list.
It's Cal Rawly and Ronald Acuna Junior. You could pick
those two, but there's obviously others that are gonna participate.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
We just don't know.
Speaker 8 (35:22):
So anybody got DIBs on who you'd want to watch
in the home run derby in Atlanta.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Full disclosure, can't stand the home un derby part. Really Yeah.
The old idea of a home run is that it occurs.
Speaker 8 (35:36):
Like it's not right. Yeah, you have your dad throwing
to you, your buddy, you're this lobbing the ball.
Speaker 9 (35:44):
I got DIBs on on our boy O'Neil Cruz. I
think of the top ten balls ever hit since they
recorded Exit V low. I think he's got like five
of them.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
I got. I got divs on.
Speaker 8 (36:00):
Hey o, Tawny if he I don't think he would
do it, but I mean, obviously Tony. I'll take DIBs
on Aaron Judge, Aaron Judge, why not?
Speaker 4 (36:09):
Sam?
Speaker 9 (36:09):
I got DIBs on Kyle Schwarbomb.
Speaker 6 (36:12):
Kyle Schwarbomb.
Speaker 8 (36:13):
Wow. Nice, I like it all right, guys, let's move
on here. What quarterback on a new team are you
excited to see next season? I will probably have the
most success, obviously Aaron Rodgers with the Steelers. I got
DIBs Sam Donald. I want to see what he does
in Seattle.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
A new quarterback in a new place. Yeah, with that's.
Speaker 8 (36:34):
Probably gonna have the most success.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
You think I'm interested in Sam Donald, I'm interested in
Danny Dimes in Indy.
Speaker 8 (36:43):
Wow?
Speaker 3 (36:44):
Okay, what yeah?
Speaker 9 (36:48):
I got on Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
Uh yeah, I forgot that Anyon Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
My bad.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
I wasn't even thinking.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
I was just I saw Danny Dimes. He's gonna beat
down Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
I just I don't know.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
I want to see if he if he's any good,
or if he stinks, or what the deal is, because
like he's meeting out Anthon Richardson already right now great
and Anthon Richard's got shoulder problems and he's not very good,
but I'm still kind of intrigued by it.
Speaker 9 (37:08):
I got Dibbs and I don't know if he's gonna
actually succeed, but I'm interested in Geno Smith the Raiders
with Pete Carroll. I don't know if they'll succeed, but
it'll be something to watch.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
Well, what what is succeeding?
Speaker 4 (37:19):
Uh?
Speaker 8 (37:19):
Yeah for the Raiders?
Speaker 4 (37:20):
What is succeeding in record? Uh?
Speaker 9 (37:24):
Playoffs?
Speaker 8 (37:25):
Wow?
Speaker 4 (37:25):
Wow?
Speaker 8 (37:26):
Wow?
Speaker 9 (37:26):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (37:28):
Did you know Danny Dimes are a coach?
Speaker 8 (37:29):
NFL Network had like a bold prediction and they're saying
that Daniel Jones is gonna win Comeback Player of the Year.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
I mean, listen, I just.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Got laughed at by uh, by Jason Stewart, although I
did forget Anon Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
It was it was knee jerk.
Speaker 6 (37:46):
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Speaker 3 (00:24):
It's a Friday. I hope you're ready for a great
summer weekend.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Alright, NBA season is in the books, and so is
the NBA Draft.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I mean I find it hard to find a heart
of fake interest in things. And it's not because you know,
there's a young man I got a chance to work
with as a consultant two years ago, Javon Small draft
yesterday he was at West Virginia. Year before that he
was at Oklahoma State from South Bend, Indiana. Just just
(01:07):
a stud of a young man. So really happy for him.
But you know, what did we really gain from less
having a second day of an NBA draft?
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:17):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
I don't know, but we do have lots to talk
about and some interesting topics. So Cooper Flag, as we
told you he is. Look, he's kind of the great
White Hope, a American born white player that is the
number one pick in the NBA draft, and like, we
can dance around it. But generally American born players that
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have been highly regarded, highly successful in the NBA have
all been either a black or mixed race. I mean,
that's just the reality of it. The guys with the
whiter skin, the whiter guys have been foreign born players
who have played well and dominated. American born white players
have not. So it adds to the intrigue. I'm not
(02:06):
going to sit here and deny that. It adds to
the intrigue of the I just wonder Larry Bird said
black man's game. But I always find it interesting on
how people try and combined the women's game in the
men's game and ESPN, well they do it. They do
(02:26):
their thing. And there's a radio host, by the way,
is very successful as an FMDJ, and he's done radio
on the sports side as well. He's done both. And
his names but Peter Rosenberg, and he was on First
(02:48):
Take today and here's what he said about Cooper Flag
in comparison to Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 5 (02:55):
We're all adults we can have a real life conversation
right now. Last time I checked, we still live in America, right.
Cooper Flag is a white guy, maybe the best white
American prospects since Larry Bird. Right, Let's not act as
if we don't live in America. We're not seeing what's
happening with Caitlin Clark in the WNBA. Cooper Flag is
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going to be an instant impact player in the NBA.
I think Danny will agree, he is ready to go.
That kid could play right now if he's nearly as
good as people expect. I think when it comes to intrigue,
actual intrigue that people are talking about day to day,
no one's going to be more intriguing get more eyeballs
than what Cooper Flag's doing in Dallas.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Okay, so there's a lot to ingest there. The idea
that he's going to be an instant impact player, again,
what does that exactly mean? I think he's going to
be good. I also think he's eighteen years old, and
I think you know that's a team where again they'll
look like one thing before Cayrie comes back. Kyrie will
take it well to adjust, but Anthony Davis to be
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the best player on the team, and Cooper Flag would
have a chance to develop on a pretty good playoff
caliber team and we'll see how he's used. But the
discussion I want to have is not about Cooper Flag.
The discussion I want to have is about Caitlin Clark
because what was not so subtly said there by Peter
Rosenberg is I think the walking narrative of many WNBA
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players and some WNBA fans, which is basically, hey, the
reason that we're paying attention to Kaitlin Clark is because
she's white. I didn't miss here that I didn't misconstrue that.
I think that's what anyone can gain her from it.
The problem with that is that the women's game is
(04:50):
not the men's game. The women's game is not the
men's game. And whether it's Sue Bird or Elena deladon,
uh you even move it to the current players and
a Kelsey Plumb or the rookie who they'll compete against
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the night in a page Beckers, Last time I checked,
they're all white.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Right, they're all white.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
So if people are paying attention to Caitlyn Clark because
she's white, why haven't they paid attention when Elena Deladon
was the best player in the WNBA. Why why aren't
they paying more attention to Paige Beckers. Why is Kelsey
Plum despite the fact that she scored at one point
(05:45):
time the most I think points of second most points
of anybody in college basketball, why didn't she receive the
same fanfare? I'm asking because I know what the answer is,
right and if you want to say, well, it was
(06:06):
because she was the thing in college, Like again, page
Backers was a bigger thing in high school and played
at the absolute biggest women's college basketball program in the
country at Yukon and just won a national championship. I
don't even think it's because she's straight. Do I think
that she's white and that she's straight and that she
looks like the girl next door are added things that
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may attract a small percentage of people, maybe, But I
honestly believe that there's two parts to it, or maybe three,
where she's a force multiplier, force multiplier, force multiplier in
how she plays, but in her overall presence and demeanor
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force multiplier. She makes everybody around her better. She makes
everything sort of bigger, and she obviously was the rising
tide that lifted all those ships in at Iowa. They
didn't win a national championship, but they went back to
back final fours, and if you look historically, it's been
a really good program. You know what hadn't done previously,
gone a back to back final fource.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
It's the force multiplier. So that's the first thing.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Second thing is it's style of play. We're so attracted
to how Steph Curry played that. And again, part of
the magic to Steph Curry is he takes the same
shots she's shooting, only he doesn't go through the shooting
slumps she's going through. But the Steph Curry logo threes
combined with the passing, the panache and then the winning
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and you have the second I think kind of tent
pole to uh to it. And then I think location
helps her. I think the fact that she the Midwestern
girl from Iowa played at Iowa, all about the Midwest
draft in the Midwest where they actually really really care
about basketball and feel like they care about their own
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I think all the those things work. And it reminds
me of a book called The Tipping Point by Malcolm Gladwell,
where it's basically case studies on what was the tipping
point which allowed red wing shoes to blow up? What
was the tipping point for anything? And my takeaway from
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the book has always been and continues to be that
it's never just one factor, but it's all wrapped up
in a perfectly packaged, perfectly timed and a little bit
of luck that ends up making things go big, making
things go big, I know, I mean, think about think
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about Starbucks in comparison to however many other chains there
have been. Coffee Bean and Tea Leaf used to be bigger.
Starbucks race past it.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
Right.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Starbucks went to drive throughs for a good reason because
you can make a ton more money on those drive throughs,
but it did. That was a massive evolution for Starbucks
when Howard Schultz owned star When he started Starbucks and
they started to expand, the whole idea was it was
your third place. First place is home, your second place's work.
They wanted to be your third place to where you
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could hang out and do work or feel like you're
at home and have conversations. And they didn't want to
do drive throughs. But then they were going to make
so much money to drive throughs, they had to do
it and had to expand. Probably over expanded. Remember there's
a time which they during the economic downturn, they closed
a lot of stores, but those drive throughs allowed them
to survive and even thrive during COVID, whereas your mom
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and pop coffee shops where everybody got to sit inside
and talk, those were left in the dust. Point is
that it's not just one factor. It's a multitude of
factors that allows something to be successful. But for whatever reason,
people seemed completely locked in on the fact that Kaitlyn
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Clark is white and that's why people care about Kaitlyn
Clark and she is white.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
There's no denying. Is there a curiosity towards it?
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Maybe, But in the women's game, it's really about fifty
to fifty and oh yeah. By the way, who we
care about and who we like and who we watch
the most doesn't have to be the best. And I
honestly think the NFL is a great example. I give
(10:36):
credit to Jay Stu. He pointed out to start the
year and he's like, look, it's been trending this way.
I think this is the worst year ever for it.
Where the NFL at times is not a great product.
Now how they package it is really good. It's a
great TV sport. It works for gambling, it works for
fantasy football, whatever, But the actual gameplay not the greatest, right,
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even college football not the greatest. But you don't always
watch things because they're the best. You don't watch the cleanest,
the best sport because of why you watch it. You know,
there's a discussion over do you watch college you watch pro?
And I thought Jay Billis pointed out really well the
other day on a podcast where he was talking about
basketball and that if you like college basketball, we watch
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college basketball, and you don't watch the NBA. You're not
watching it because the quality of the product. You're watching
it for another reason. You know, a kid, you're intrigued
by what's the future of the sport like, But more
than anything, a tie or an infatuation with a coach
or university.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
That's it. It's not the best.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
So Caitlin Clark probably not the best player in the NBA.
She's incredibly impactful, and we pay attention to her.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Is she white? Yeah? Is she straight? Sure?
Speaker 2 (11:52):
But there have been other white, straight players who have
been very, very good players in the WNBA, and they
have not received a fraction of the attention of a
Caitlin Clark. Now there'll be case studies done, and maybe
I'm wrong, but I think her location staying in a
school for four years when everybody else was bouncing to
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school to school, to school to school. Hailey Bandwidth for example,
by the way, Hailey vandlith also white, right, the dynamic
of how she plays, how she carries herself, being in
the Midwest, being a force multiplier, taking Eyewa a back
to back final fource. Her performance for the most part
when those bright lights are on, have been outstanding, and
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people like what they like, and once they decide what
they like, what they decide that that's going to be
a favorite. On my phone and update me on what
she does. You can study it, you can argue about it,
but she's not going to change it. So you know,
I hate that I'm saying this, but gosh, that really
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fell in line with everything New York of Peter Rosenberg right,
fall back on everything being about race and not about
substance or not about style or not about the things
that it's really about. And if you think I'm wrong, okay,
just Diana Tarassi. She's white. She was the best player
in the WNBA for a handful of years. Some people
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think she's the greatest WNBA player ever. I think then
she win four titles at UCUNN. So what you get
from many of these women is just jealousy, and what
you get from people who aren't these women is an
explanation which is wrapped around race. The problem with it
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is it's a red herring. It already exists. Great white
players have already been there. Kelsey Plumb already played four
years and scored over three thousand points, Elena Dela Don,
Diana Tarazi, Sue Byrd. Last time I checked, they're all white,
and some of them are, in fact stray some of
them are not. Do I think am?
Speaker 3 (14:02):
I am?
Speaker 2 (14:03):
I blind to the fact that that's probably there's a
percentage of people. Sure, there's also always going to be
a percentage of people that in basketball, when you're white,
they don't think you're as good as somebody who's not,
so they won't buy in, so they won't watch. I
actually think that kind of crossed each other out. The
fact that she's straight. I guess Kelsey plump straight. She
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was married to an NFL player, now she's divorced. Like,
I don't think that's it. Girl, next door. Maybe in
the packaging. I think the biggest things are that it's
she's a force multiplier, and people are attracted to that,
they watch that, they want to know how that happens.
I think style of play, and then again the loyalty component,
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the Midwest component, combined with some other factors and timing,
I think it just works.
Speaker 6 (14:53):
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Speaker 2 (15:04):
Stuck ott Leap Show Fox Sports Radio. So Big Ben's
kind of he's kind of figured out this podcast stuff. Right,
do lists talk about big names get yourself in the mix.
My guess is Big Ben Roethisberger wants to be on
TV and here's how.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
He's gonna here's how he's gonna do it.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
I don't know whether his early career off field stuff
ends up keeping him from doing that. I don't know,
but he's on a podcast called Football and with Ben Roethlisberger,
he made this declaration.
Speaker 7 (15:39):
Well, I would take Aaron and his prime over over
Patrick Now, I think I think yeah, I think Aaron
Rodgers at his prime was one of the top few
to ever do it. And so with Patrick Mahomes his prime,
Patrick Mahomes is just just like entering out of his prime.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
I think.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
It's a that's a fascinating discussion. It's a fascinating discussion.
Aaron Rodgers or Pat Mahomes. Aaron Rodgers in his prime
over Pat Mahomes. Yeah, I again, I don't have Here's
what I've said about Aaron Rodgers. There's boxes that you
(16:20):
have to check, and most guys are missing something right,
Like if you want to say Tom Brady, Like Tom
Brady was not athletics, so if you could get to
him at his feet, so he didn't move the way
Aaron moved, didn't move the way air moved, Steve Young
(16:43):
got hurt a lot. I guess that's the you know,
when Steve Young went through a period of time early
in his career, wasn't very good, went to the USFL,
you know, was a backup, earned his way back in
and then became a Hall of It was amazing. Steve Young,
I feel like probably gonna go down as one of
the best quarterbacks to never to be in that discussion
when he played, and never be in that discussion since
(17:03):
Pat Peyton Manning.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Not a great.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Arm uh nimble into pocket obviously not out of the pocket.
Unbelievable quarterback. Not a great arm made it work anyway,
played indoors or an altitude.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Not a great arm. So they all have something.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Damn Reno completely immobile and had to play in the
shotgun a bunch because of that mobility, and they never
had a running game. But part of the reason they
never had a running game was he couldn't be under
center and also didn't win enough. Now you could say
the same thing about Rogers, but there's a lot of
NSC championship games, a couple of Super Bowls.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Was do you lose the Super Bowl? Definitely won a
Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Sin's But if you want to go through the boxes,
you got to check right, does he have the arm
strength yes, accuracy yes, mobility sure, brain yes, leadership. I
think the answer is yes. I would say the one
thing that would be missing. And here's where we all
(18:04):
have blind spots, right, we all have blind spots. I
think Big Ben, by the way, was elite, elite, elite,
but sometimes you have a blind spot for likability, and
Aaron wasn't unlikable like Erin.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
If you get to know him. Great dude.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
A lot of guys really like him. But it's not
like he's close with a lot of guys. It's not
like there are people trying to kill themselves to be
Aaron's guy and Aaron's supporter, whereas Mahomes and others they
have this it's almost like they're a politician where they
(18:47):
just win. If you sit down with him, you're like,
oh my god, are we best friends? He has that,
but he also can turn it off a lot quicker
than they don't turn it off. Let's welcome in Mark dominic.
Of course, he was a gentlemanager the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
He's worked everywhere in professionals football ain't joined just for
his weekly visit here. On the Doug Gallop Show on
Fox Sports Radio, Big Ben said, prime Aaron Rodgers over
(19:10):
prime Pat Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
What do you think?
Speaker 4 (19:14):
Oh, I don't think he's far away as great as
Patrick Mahomes is. I think because we've been a little
bit further removed from what we remember Aaron Rodgers being
that maybe we're not remembering prime Aaron Rodgers has been saying, like,
I mean I dealt with Baron, you know a couple
of times, specifically early in his career that was GM
(19:36):
when Aaron was going equipped not forty touchdowns and having
like five or six interceptions a season. So it was painful,
you know, I think I think Ben's fair. I don't
think it's a It's not like some absurd statement. I
look at it that way. You know, there's a guy
that Aaron when I was a GM and deal with him,
he was completing sixty seven sixty eight summary that the
(19:56):
kind of percentages going well over four thousand yards, and
he would as the poster child for like touchdown to
interception Raytio. I mean, he was the best. And so
I don't think that's a search statement is as great
as you know. Obviously Patrick's have been.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Stut Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. There is
a there is a factor though, and again I wasn't
in the Packers' organization, and I think some of how
we view it now is how it ended, not how
it was during the during the meat of those years
where he had a lot better relationships I think with teammates.
(20:29):
But there is a certain likability factor that you have
to have at quarterback, is there not?
Speaker 4 (20:35):
Yes, I think it's very I mean, I do think
it's important, but I don't think that the guys like
I don't remember guys in Green Bay, like you know,
the old school receivers are you know driver, But also
you know obviously Dante. No one never spoke ill of Aaron,
I know, since I think the media didn't like him
or something like some people had to part. I't remember
players like ever coming out and somebody this guy's a jerk.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Yeah no, no, it's it's he wasn't unlikable, But I
don't know if they loved him. I don't know if
it was the same. I again could be wrong and
a lot. I think some of it is outsider to
the main years, and it changes over time. And of course,
you know when you bounce team to team here late
in your career, some of that stuff changes as well.
(21:16):
Mark Domini, our guest. You're in the Doug Go Outlet
Show on Fox Sports Radio. I'm intrigued by Kayleb Williams.
You know, he's Jason Stewart, who I know you talked to.
He's our producer here. I love the analogy that he
uses it. It's basically like the spouse or boyfriend that
gets caught cheating and is always having to gravel right,
(21:39):
He's always and because they got him on tape saying
I want to be a Viking.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
I don't want to play.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
It's like he's over the top in the Oh my god,
this is the greatest thing ever.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
So where are you.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
On Caleb Williams on the likelihood of a more successful
second year in his career.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
I think you know, and you remember, and we talked
about last year. I liked Caleb Williams, but I wasn't
the number one to Caleb Williams guy. I just felt
like he thought it was gonna be easy and things
were going to come naturally, and it was just gonna
be like I'm gonna walk to the NFL and own
this thing, and it's just not like that. That's how
this league works. It's certainly very hard to do that. However,
that all being said, I think the Bears have done
a tremendous job of improving that offensive line. I think
(22:24):
a lot of us kind of forget that Caleb Williams,
you know, did have a good season, except he's the
number one pick and so you're holding him to a
different standard, right. I think that that's the hard thing
for him when you kind of look at what is
expected out of him versus what he delivered, you know,
more touchdowns, certainly, I think everybody would want to see
better expect that from Caleb Williams, and I think we'll
see that this year again. Protections everything and you know,
(22:46):
you want to see the biggest jump of any NFL
player from like year one to year two. Think of
Trevor Lawrence. He was if you want to compare a
first overall pick and how he did. Trevor Lawrence was
terrible then his first year. I mean he threw what
twelve touchdowns, eight to seventeen eighteen interceptions versus twenty and
six for Caleb Williames. So there was good things there.
It's just that Jaden Daniels was wow, and I think
(23:07):
that kind of hurt the look of Caleb. Hopefully he's
grown up through this. I think he will improve this year.
I still don't know if he's going to get it
and understand exactly what you're talking about. Aaron Rodger is
how to become more of a genuine likable guy by
the things that come out of his mouth sometimes.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the
voice of Mark Dominic, long time in the NFL, most
notably a gentle manager with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Okay,
so then you go to Minnesota, a team that they've
had back to back starting quarterbacks who have left on
back to back years. But they put up gargantuan numbers,
gark gantuan numbers, and the thought is, man, you got
(23:46):
a former quarterback who's a play color, he got skilled
position guys everywhere. But now you have JJ McCarthy who
hasn't played a snap and he's played in college with
a highly conservative system him. How do you think they
bring him up to speed in real time.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
I don't think it's going to be as hard as
I think people think. You know, thankfully JJ did get
to play in one preseason game and got to throw
the ball around a little bit before. You know, obviously
the Dost injury. The one thing even in the preseason,
in the one game he played, one thing that's really important.
He took zero sacks, and that's a big deal for
a young quarterback. You know that he's got the awareness
to know to get the ball out of his hands
(24:26):
and not take the negative play and he did a
good job in that and that was you know, you
can't really judge a lot off the preseason, but at
least can just judge decision making in poise and JJ
showed that. And now with an offseason of you know,
being able to really dig into the book really to
understand what's expected, to watch it from the field is tough,
but I think he's going to have a lot of
(24:47):
success because again, I think he's got the charisma it part,
but I also think he's got the mental acuity that
you're looking for at quarterback where he makes the right
decision with the football. Will there be some and now,
of course he's JJ McCarthy. He's going to be in
his quote unquote rookie season or his first year to
actually play. But I'm not surprised the Viking's handed them
to the ball and sad go get this because they
(25:08):
have the confidence to draft them more they did, and
you know, I think that they've seen a lot of him,
probably over the last couple of weeks, but also before
the injury, they were probably wowed by him by what
he was doing, you know, within the organization before he
got banged up.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Stuck Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. I love
the Patriots higher, I just do. But what does that
look like on the field considering the competitiveness of that division?
Speaker 4 (25:36):
Uh? You know, I you know, I love Rabel, I
like I like the people within the front office. I
like the coaching staff that they've got together. I think
they're going to be good. The problem is the roster
still too far away for that division. They're still you know,
they're fighting I think for third place at best, even
though Brabel has done a great job with you know,
some teams that may not have had as much talent.
But I do think that it's a good team. But
(25:59):
they are at least one, if not two seasons away
from really being competitive with the even the Dolphins. And
I don't say that in the bad way of the
Miami Dolphins. I think if they can have to a
first season, they should be a playoff team. But certainly
they're not near where the Bills are right now. And
from just a pure talent standpoint, I think they're trying
to get there. They'll slowly get there, but the skill position,
the skill players just to me still aren't at the
(26:22):
level that we see other teams in that division that
they have and that I think that's going to hold
him back.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Yeah, probably will, probably will hold up.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
What about the Chiefs, You know, Mahomes has just figured
out a way to get it done. And you know,
the last two Super Bowls they've been in, We're like, Wow,
this is the least talented they're going to be. What
have they done to their talent base?
Speaker 4 (26:42):
Well, I think one thing that's big, and then I
don't think of people really. You know, it's been a
very tumultuous time for his career, but she writes coming
back is a big deal, like he was really breaking
out and the player that I think everybody in Kansas
hoped you'd be, and certainly within the front office is
what and now him coming back is going to be
(27:02):
a big bolst to that offense where you've got the
guys that can vertically Hollywood Brown and Xavier Worth, it
can go vertical, but Rashie Rice can do everything underneath.
That's a huge deal. My big concern about the Chiefs,
and I love the pick of Josh Simmons. I think
it was a steal for them to get him at
the bottom of the first round. But I still just
worry about like the you know, losing Joe Dooney, you know,
(27:24):
the right tackle spot. Juan Taylor hasn't been really comfortable,
so I get more worried there. They're a physical football team.
The only thing I think that they wish they cab
had is a little more speed on the defensive side.
But I think the biggest thing you got to watch
as a Chiefs fan, and I think this is why
I think they'll take a little step down, is the
cornerback room's not strong like it has been before. I
think Jalen Watson can have a good year, but I
think they're looking at the other corner opposite of him
(27:46):
with McDuffie probably inside of the nickel. That's going to
be a spot that I think people are going to
really pin and attack and where the Kansas City be
able to hold up because they know they've got power rushers,
but they really don't have the fastball rusher, which I
think they really really need.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Yeah, Okay, Eagles win the Super Bowl. Last time to
win the Super Bowl, lose your coordinators and they struggle.
This time, you lose your offensive coordinator. What's the Eagles
now trying to repeat? What does that that that team
look like with Saquon back, you know, with with so
(28:21):
many back and some of those young players coming of age.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
Yeah, I think it's nice that Lane Johnson is going
to play and stay there. I think that's a big deal.
And again, I always go to the offensive line first,
and I feel really good about where they sit. You know,
the Cam Jurgens, albeit a different player than obviously Kelsey,
certainly was very productive in terms of their run game
and helping Saquon. The only thing you can worry about
is can they stay as healthy as they were, Like Ken,
Saquon stay as healthy as he was, You wonder about that. Defensively,
(28:47):
I think, you know, besides Quinnon, Mitchell and Cooper Jeans
who came in and had just great years, They've got
other players on this team that I think are really
going to step up and step through this year. Like
I'm looking at guys like Kylie Ringo, the corner that
they drafted a couple of years ago. I think he's
a starting corner in the National Football I think he's
a really good one. I think Jaylex Hunt is a
guy that you know, I think is going to be
in a very very good pass rusher that by middle
(29:09):
of the season, Doug, We're gonna be talking about like
the Eagles, like, who are these guys that weren't starting
last year that suddenly start this year. So I think
they've got a lot of depth from the defensi side,
which is going to be the really exciting spot for them.
So I look at that, so I think defensively they're
going to be fine. I just think offensively, I hope
they can stay healthy. But I just feel like when
you when you look at Devonte Smith or you see
a sa Kuon Barkley, no one wishes are injuries. I
(29:29):
just don't think they're gonna be as fortunate to have
them as many weeks as they did last year.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
I think that's I think that's completely and utterly fair.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
When you're in the league, like when you're in Tampa,
there are times, you know, before they got the Buccaneers
and I know this is after you gets Tom Brady.
There's lots of years which nobody really pays attention to you.
Is that a good thing or a bad thing within
for organizations, not not for the ownership right, maybe not
for making money, but in terms of trying to op
(30:00):
operate on a daily basis is it better because like we.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Never talk about Seattle. We don't, I mean very rarely.
You know, they got Donold, they got a new coach.
We didn't talk about Seattle.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Jacksonville maybe a little bit just because Trevor Lawrence seemingly
has been disappointing at some point, like we expected. But
you know, how often do we talk about New Orleans?
How often do we talk even about Houston has been
a playoff team past two years. You've operated in the
times that they're paying attention in times they don't. What's
a better way to operate when you're a general manager?
Speaker 4 (30:31):
Well, you know, shout out to Jason light getting his extensions.
He has, you know, he had to you know, kind
of walk through some tough years early on. But you
know what they've done in Tampa no one's talking about, right,
I mean, they've made the playoffs for five years in
a row. No one's ever done that, right or the
last what is it? They're the only NFC team to
(30:52):
make the playoffs five years in a row. That's a
heck of a statement. And yet you don't even think
about it. When you think about Tampa Bay, you're like, Okay,
they're good. But but I think you appreciate being like that.
I mean, maybe you feel in the moment Doug when
I was at GM in Tampa, but even when I
was there with you know, coach Dungee and Coach Cruden
and we were having ups and downs are really great seasons, obviously,
you never really felt like, you know, you're always like, well,
(31:13):
it's the Rodney Dangerfields kind of effected.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
You're like, well, no respect.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
Exactly, and so you feel that sometimes. But at the
same point, it's not bad to be in a bubble
where you're not the Jets, you're not the Eagles, You're
not this front page like what's wrong with you all
the time, even though you feel like that when you're
the gentleman of that football team. So John Schneider in Seattle,
he certainly feels the local stuff, but maybe the you know,
the the national stuff isn't quite the same. I think
it's good. I think it's helpful, even though sometimes again
(31:39):
you don't get to respect. I think it's actually helps
you be able to, you know, kind of work through
like the tough spots without feeling like everything every little
decisions made is being analyzed, whether you're the Chicago Bears
or the New York Giants or Jets.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Uh listen, uh, Mark, I got to ask you. I mean,
the talk early in the week was about how Mary's
Haliburton tearing his achilles tendon, and well it's had, you know,
three stars to hear their achilles tendon in the playoffs.
I thought a lot of guys showed their limited focus
in that this has been happening in the NFL now right.
(32:13):
I mean, you have three quarterbacks Kirk Cousins, Aaron Rodgers,
and Sean Watson touring their achilles tendant, granted all in
their thirties, but still like we hadn't had that volume.
And then there are younger players tearing their achilles tendon.
Why why do you think it is? Well, just venture,
fairly educated guess on why this is kind of this injury,
which was very rare before, has become a little bit
(32:35):
more commonplace.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Well, part of it, I would say, quarterback wide, it's
probably not. I don't think it's like, well, the quarterbacks
are overtraining and therefore this I think it's because the
athletes are just for whatever however it's happening. Athletes are faster, bigger, stronger,
and so you know, just an extra little torque when
you get tackled the extull twister and you get knocked around.
Is putting strain on something because they're playing at such
(32:59):
a high level in a high speed. Now, I think
that that's what happens. I think the NBA is a
little bit that way in terms of like how you know,
it's not the physical game we grew up watching. I
grew up watching. It's it's a the NEETs and run
and gun kind of a thing, and so you know,
it's just a strain on that pendon. But I think
in the football, I think it's more because of you know,
the speed and the strength and power that we're seeing
(33:20):
from these young players. Are all these players and what
they're doing. Like I was just at the NFL Sacks
sum in Vegas. Literally just got home a couple hours ago,
but spent you know, two days out there in Las
Vegas with Max Crosby and Von Miller and Cam Jordan
and they're all working with you know, there was what
forty fifty young you know, defensive lineman, whether you're a
(33:41):
defensive tackle or a defensive end that are there and
they're just breaking down film and talking about how they
do that, how does Blan do this, how does Cam
do that? And then talking to the young guys about
what have you done? You know, where are you going
with your body? What are you doing? It's amazing, it's awesome,
and you think that that stuff never happened, and it's
you know, here are the guys. Everybody thinks like, well,
these players all after the fro mini camps, they go
home and now they're just kind of relaxing until they
(34:02):
get to kick, until they get the training camp. No,
the biggest guys are forty guys out there that were
working out in the UNLV's build, working on their pass rust,
then coming back and watching film from the elites of
best and getting coaching tips. That's where I think why
we see maybe more injuries, because these guys are training
at a crazy level trying to be the best they
can be.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
That's Mark Dominic.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
What's he know, He's only spent his entire professional life
in the Nation Football League kind of to spend some
time with us. Mark, thanks so much for joining us.
Really appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
Thanks, Doug Enjoy Weekend, Buddy.
Speaker 6 (34:31):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show. It's Fox Sports Radio Movement.
Let's get to the game. This is game time on
the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
Mantie, what's the game?
Speaker 6 (35:00):
Oh well, we're playing.
Speaker 8 (35:01):
It's Friday.
Speaker 6 (35:02):
So I got dis I got dabs.
Speaker 8 (35:04):
Let's see how many DIBs we can get through here, Coach,
let's start. What player would you tune in to watch
the home run derby? There's right now two on the list.
It's Cal Rawly and Ronald Acuna Junior. You could pick
those two, but there's obviously others that are gonna participate.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
We just don't know.
Speaker 8 (35:22):
So anybody got DIBs on who you'd want to watch
in the home run derby in Atlanta.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Full disclosure, can't stand the home un derby part. Really Yeah.
The old idea of a home run is that it occurs.
Speaker 8 (35:36):
Like it's not right. Yeah, you have your dad throwing
to you, your buddy, you're this lobbing the ball.
Speaker 9 (35:44):
I got DIBs on on our boy O'Neil Cruz. I
think of the top ten balls ever hit since they
recorded Exit V low. I think he's got like five
of them.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
I got. I got divs on.
Speaker 8 (36:00):
Hey o, Tawny if he I don't think he would
do it, but I mean, obviously Tony. I'll take DIBs
on Aaron Judge, Aaron Judge, why not?
Speaker 4 (36:09):
Sam?
Speaker 9 (36:09):
I got DIBs on Kyle Schwarbomb.
Speaker 6 (36:12):
Kyle Schwarbomb.
Speaker 8 (36:13):
Wow. Nice, I like it all right, guys, let's move
on here. What quarterback on a new team are you
excited to see next season? I will probably have the
most success, obviously Aaron Rodgers with the Steelers. I got
DIBs Sam Donald. I want to see what he does
in Seattle.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
A new quarterback in a new place. Yeah, with that's.
Speaker 8 (36:34):
Probably gonna have the most success.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
You think I'm interested in Sam Donald, I'm interested in
Danny Dimes in Indy.
Speaker 8 (36:43):
Wow?
Speaker 3 (36:44):
Okay, what yeah?
Speaker 9 (36:48):
I got on Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
Uh yeah, I forgot that Anyon Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
My bad.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
I wasn't even thinking.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
I was just I saw Danny Dimes. He's gonna beat
down Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
I just I don't know.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
I want to see if he if he's any good,
or if he stinks, or what the deal is, because
like he's meeting out Anthon Richardson already right now great
and Anthon Richard's got shoulder problems and he's not very good,
but I'm still kind of intrigued by it.
Speaker 9 (37:08):
I got Dibbs and I don't know if he's gonna
actually succeed, but I'm interested in Geno Smith the Raiders
with Pete Carroll. I don't know if they'll succeed, but
it'll be something to watch.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
Well, what what is succeeding?
Speaker 4 (37:19):
Uh?
Speaker 8 (37:19):
Yeah for the Raiders?
Speaker 4 (37:20):
What is succeeding in record? Uh?
Speaker 9 (37:24):
Playoffs?
Speaker 8 (37:25):
Wow?
Speaker 4 (37:25):
Wow?
Speaker 8 (37:26):
Wow?
Speaker 9 (37:26):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (37:28):
Did you know Danny Dimes are a coach?
Speaker 8 (37:29):
NFL Network had like a bold prediction and they're saying
that Daniel Jones is gonna win Comeback Player of the Year.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
I mean, listen, I just.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Got laughed at by uh, by Jason Stewart, although I
did forget Anon Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
It was it was knee jerk.
Speaker 6 (37:46):
Is game top game on The Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Quick, just just a quick game, just a just a
very quick quick game. This is the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, coming up next on The
Doug Gottlieb Show, you will not believe I thought I
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