December 4, 2024 • 38 mins
Doug reacts to the latest College Football Playoff standings and makes a case for the SEC teams that have been left out. Doug weighs in on Mike McCarthy's situation with the Cowboys before welcoming FOX Sports college football analyst RJ Young onto the show. Plus, Doug takes a listener to task about Boise State's inclusion in the playoff.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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We're in Indianapolis, Indianapolis, Indiana, sight of our first Horizon
League basketball game. That's that's the league at my club,
the Green Bay Phoenix participates in and is just like
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the real quick trivia for you, which is we we
practice today, but not at the site of our game,
our game. He is at i UI every People were like,
I've never heard of that school, have you ever? And
Dan Byer He's heard of every school. Dan, do you
remember I U P ui ouey pooy as some people.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Would call it.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Yes, yes, that's Indiana University, Purdue University, Indianapolis. Most big
state institutions have have what are they called sister campuses,
or there's another term for it. They have other branch
satellite campuses.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
So what it was was, it's a major university, okay
in Indianapolis, jointly funded by Indiana and Purdue. Well, Purdue
is like, nah, we're out, We're going to do our
own thing. Indiana is like, we're still in. So now
it's Indiana University, Indianapolis. I think I think it should
be hey, we're no longer pooey where OOI were no
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longer pooey. I think that's actually a good kind of
motivational Like at Green Bay we say, you know, we
together we rise, Right, that's because where the phoenix, the phoenix.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Rise from the ashes. I like that.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
How about OUI no longer pooey come to Indianapolis University
in Indiana University in Napolis and just again throwing that
out there marketing guys Semere School of Business, Oklahoma State University.
Just I just offering that up anyway, Bayer, you know
this okay, but I'll give you the quiz that the
others failed before the show. They failed miserably. I UI's
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on campus gym known as the Jungle. They're the Jaguars,
so their gym is the Jungle. They play in the
Jungle gym. Anyway, not available for shoot around except for
eight to nine am too early, one to two pm
too late. So I called the folks at at a
different school and we got to shoot around. Who's the
most successful program in the history of the Horizon League?
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Dan Byer? Butler? Yes? And like we Butler's not. I
know they're not yet dead. There you go, Dan Byer.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
When they went to back to back national championships, they
were in the Horizon League, and then they elevated to
the Atlantic Ten. Then they elevated to the Big East
and now they're proud member of the Big East. Anyway,
I got to practice today at famed Hinkle Fieldhouse and
then make the point, Hey, this is the model. This
is It can be done from the Horizon League. Butler
did it from the Rising League. Why can't we?
Speaker 4 (03:24):
And I feel that Valpo was the program prior to that?
Would that be prior to Butler?
Speaker 2 (03:29):
As far as the one that yes, yes, yes, and
you know Oakland's had some success Oakland last year obviously
be Kentucky and the NCAA Tournament and great camp.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
He has been there forever. This is the Doug Gotlib
Show here on fox Port Trait.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Speaking of Indiana, Folks Indiana are happy, not with me,
but with the Selex Committee because right now they're still
in the field. It looks like they'll be in the
field for the first college football Playoff. But the folks
at Miami not particularly not particularly happy. Yesterday, the the
new college Football Playoff standings came out and Miami was
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the first team out. Jim Phillips is the commissioner of
the ACC. He had this to say in a written statement.
Miami has more wins and fewer losses than any other
team directly ahead of them, and a dominant victory over
an SEC team whose late season surge included a win
over number thirteen Old Miss More Over a team with
two losses combined by nine points to rank team like
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Syracuse and Georgia Tech.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
They just took Georgia.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
That a Georgia Tech team that took number five Georgia
to eight overtimes. Miami absolutely deserves better from the committee
that from Dan Radovich. He tweeted this in his reaction, Okay,
can I make a do you guys mind buyer?
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Can we Can I make a counterpoint? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Okay, here's the thing I don't like, and this is
not just about sports. Actually, I think I think Jay
stew you'll love this because you love talking about politics.
So do I probably too much. We're not in the
same end of the political spectrum. I'm not opposite you.
I'm much more, as I've told people, in the middle,
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as opposed to I think you're actually more in the
middle than you lead out to believe. You just hate
the fringes, especially one.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Of the fringes.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
If you were going to make the argument that, hey,
we beat Florida first game of the season, they smote Florida.
Jim Phillips did what politicians always do, right. What do
politicians always do? They curiously omit things that don't work
in their favor.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Right.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Okay, here's one curious omission. Yes, Florida did did have
a huge late season, search they did so with a
different quarterback than the one who played Week one of
the season.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Okay. Additionally, if we're.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Going with the Hey, we only lost by a handful
of points to Georgia Tech and Syracuse. Here's the counterpoint,
should have lost to Virginia Tech, should have lost to
col There was one other game, like three in a row.
It was an absolute miracle that they beat Virginia Tech,
that they beat Calen. There's one other game that was
an absolute escape, but commissioners don't want to say that. Look,
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we've been paying attention. And here's the thing, Okay, I
think Miami. I would I have less problem with Miami
being in as opposed to SMU if SMU loses Saturday
or Indiana even And my logic is this, I believe
that the SEC is far and away the best league,
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and that any historical data you want to give me,
which by the way, also proves the SEC is the
best league, isn't even appropriate. Because this is a new era.
You can legally buy players, and the SEC has spent
more money than anybody else, and it doesn't always work
out to be a better team, but it is a
much better, much more talented league, much more difficult week
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to week to win the SEC in any other league.
And I'm gonna Luma the Big twelve I'm a huge
Big twelve fan. Of course, we live in Big ten country. Okay,
I've lived in Pac ten, Pac twelve country forever. This
has nothing to do with I don't get paid by
any of these conferences. I'm not trying to see the
downfall of the league. I'm just telling you the reality,
especially now that I'm in college basketball.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
You know why.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Last night there was the SEC ACC Challenge. Correct or
it's part of two night deal. There were ten games,
how many of the ACC. The ACC is as vaunted
a basketball league as there has ever been. Think about
this in the ACC. Duke and Carolina they played to night,
didn't play last night. In fairness, Virginia they played tonight,
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they don't play. Didn't play last night. Okay, Duke, Carolina,
Virginia all national champions in recent years.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Okay, they have Louisville, they have Syracuse.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Like in terms of name recognition college basketball programs that
they're amazing. Last night there were ten games the SEC
one night of them, the only loss. The only loss
was Kentucky, obviously the biggest name in the SEC basketball.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
They lost on the road to Clemson.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Where road games that happens, especially when there's a disproportionate
number of fouls.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
The point is.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
That the SEC has and uses more money on their
players than any other conference. It's absolutely inarguable you'll have
a one off Ohio State football, for example, most people
believe their budgets around twenty million dollars, which is tops
in all of college football. Maybe not the top, it's
one of the tops. And it doesn't mean that Ohio
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State's a perfect team. Matter of fact, in two of
their biggest tests they failed. But the point is that
it creates a greater depth of talent and a likelihood
of success that you just don't have when you're dealing
with a million dollar, two million dollars, five million dollar payroll.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
It's just the reality of it.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
They have better players because they spend more money. Go figure,
It's like buying a car. Is every one hundred thousand
dollars car better than every thirty thousand dollars car. No,
you can get a limit, but by and large, better materials,
better build quality, better likelihood of a better vehicle. That's
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the reality to it. And I get that Miami is like, hey,
we're Miami. First of all, you haven't been relevant in years,
so let's not act like your name, Reckon. But also
I would say that Miami gets the Miami Pass because
people want Miami to be relevant because Miami was.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
So good for so long.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
I mean, honestly, if Jim Phillips is honest with himself, okay,
is honest with himself. SMU having only one loss is
a bad look for the league. It shows how bad
the league is historically. Virginia Tech is awesome. Historically, Miami
is awesome. Historically, Florida State is awesome. Florida State won
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one game this year.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Virginia Tech.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
It's been a while since they've been up off the
mat and this is the the best of Miami has
been in a decade. And you lost to your last
three games, two teams that aren't in the playoffs. And
you could say, well, they're good teams. Great, you didn't
beat them, And who did you beat?
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Great?
Speaker 2 (10:14):
You beat a Florida team that's not in the discussion.
It's not one of the top seven or eight teams
in the SEC. And by the way, a Florida team
that's that changed quarterbacks since Miami smoked them to start
to start the year. My thing is was and has
always been I think the SEC is the best league.
I think if it's ever, if it's even close, I
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mean Old Miss has got better players. Yeah, I think
Alabama belongs in And I'm interested to see what happens
if is boys he's taking really gonna be a top
four seed, Like what are we actually doing? Is Indiana
really going to be in the field when they have
zero victories over anybody in the field and all of
their wins against the bottom of the Big ten?
Speaker 3 (10:58):
So, byer, what do you think, Bud?
Speaker 4 (11:01):
Yeah, I'll say I'll say this. I think that the
comments from Jim Phillips were expected. I thought that the
comments from Ward Manuel were pretty glaring when he said
that the teams that aren't playing this weekend have no
more data points for them to change their resume.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
That's actually not true, by the way, And I get
let me, let me help you up, and I don't
mean it up, but I'm gonna lose my train, I
thought if I do.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Okay, So if.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
South Carolina, who I believe belongs in the field, If
Clemson beats beats SMU, and Clemson is the ACC champion
and Clemson then goes to the College Football Playoff, that's
absolutely a data point he's he's wrong, He's one hundred
percent wrong. They just beat Clemson at Clemson by three points.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
I agree with you. I'm the one that's not in
power though, and neither are you, and.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
That no I know, But again, like I was, I
was stunned. Yeah, that there wasn't a follow up question
ward respectfully, what about Clemson?
Speaker 3 (12:08):
What about Clemson?
Speaker 2 (12:10):
If Clemson beats SMU, doesn't that change the data points
for South Carolina?
Speaker 5 (12:16):
I thought?
Speaker 4 (12:17):
And the reason why that comment stood up for a
lot of reasons and one that you plainly laid out there,
And yeah, he's exactly right. It would enhance the resume
of a team like South Carolina if those Dominoes felt
that way or felt that way, or that domino fell
that way. What I do find interesting with this comment though,
in looking at the bracket compared to what it was
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a week ago. All last week, Doug was I complained
about is the committee setting up these rankings for rankings
purposes or are they setting up the rankings to have
the correct bracket? And I felt that they were just
ranking teams for ranking teams. And now when you look
at the bracket that was released this week, what college
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football fan wouldn't want to see those four games that
they have in the first round of the playoffs, and
even their fallback would be like, let's say Penn State
beats Oregon in the Big Ten championship game. Now you've got,
you know, an Oregon possibly against an Arizona State squad.
Like these matchups are so salivating for the viewer that
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I feel that's where they went as a committee, that
this meeting was like, all right, we're going to fill
out a bracket. It's no longer about rankings. What's the
best bracket that we could get. And I feel that
that's what they laid out. And I think that's why
he said what he said, because he doesn't want to
adjust Ohio State or Tennessee or Indiana or you know,
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like those schools because of the place that they are,
Notre Dame. Just that's why I think he put those matchups,
or this group put the matchups, because this is how
they wanted the bracket to look.
Speaker 6 (13:55):
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Speaker 3 (14:06):
Stut Gottlib Show.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Fox Sports Radio, coming to you from the tyrack dot
Com studios. Man, there's a bunch of things I want
to get to today. Hey, Dan, are you okay with
doing buyer's Remorse a little bit later today? We didn't
get to it yesterday. I'm sure everybody has a lot
of things that they're remorse for over. But Dan actually
gets the voices on radio, and they're all sports related.
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That'll be next hour.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
R J.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Young's going to join us up coming in about five minutes.
He's Fox Sports college football analyst, host of the Number
one Show podcast on Fox Sports.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
But uh, let's let's talk about the Cowboys. Why well,
they're the cowboys.
Speaker 6 (14:48):
Let's talk about the cowboys. Why well, because they're the cowboys.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
Cowboys?
Speaker 2 (14:56):
All right, we do have some new sound for you,
some Cowboys South. This comes from Dak Prescott. Of course,
Mike McCarthy is in a lame duck year to this point,
Jerry Jones, to this point, Jerry Jones has really offered
nothing in terms of the idea that Mike McCarthy wouldn't
be back. Here's Dak Prescott on his coaches contract status.
Speaker 7 (15:16):
I believe in him wholeheartedly. I think he definitely deserves
a chance another another contract, and I had a chance
to coach this team amongst and and kind of I
guess you can say more influence on his terms maybe
be a maybe be a good way to say it.
But but I wholeheartedly believe in him. The guys won
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a Super Bowl. I know Jerry's attested to that. There's
not many guys or coaches who have done that, and
to have one that can do it from experience, and
I know how valuable he's been for me.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Okay, So that's Dak doing what so many athletes won't do, Okay,
which is this is my guy. I want to play
for him. He didn't do the Jimmy and we are
in Indiana.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Hey, you guys are familiar with the Jimmy Chitwood.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
Kate calling Dan Byer.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Of course, Dan Byer knows it. Chase Stu, are you
familiar with the Jimmy Chitwood?
Speaker 5 (16:15):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (16:15):
No, Oh, Sam, you're familiar with Jimmy Chitwood.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Are you not?
Speaker 6 (16:20):
He was coached by Gene Hackman, I understand.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
But the Jimmy Chipwood, the scene I'm talking about in
the Fame.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Movie Hoosiers, I missed you on that one.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
I guess okay, so here's the scene and buyer. If
I miss anything, you helped me out.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Jimmy Chitwood is the basketball star at Hickory, but he's not.
He didn't play the first couple of games. He didn't
come to practice. He just shoot out in his hoop
out in his farm hey with a dirt floor and
wooden backboard to hoop and never missed. But he wasn't playing.
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The season got off to a more than rock start
where the coach, played by Gene Heckman, actually finished one
of the games with only four players on the floor,
despite the fact that he had one that was eligible
to play. After one of his players filed out another
woman was hurt, he said, my team is on the floor.
He wanted his team to play his way, and he
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didn't care if they won or lost. Because of it,
the town called a meeting to take a vote whether
or not they wanted to continue with the coach or
fire the coach. They took that vote, but before they
read the tally of the vote, Jimmy Chipwood came in
from outside and said, I think it's time for me
to start playing ball. The crowd erupted, the crowd erupted,
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and that was when they read the tally that the
coach was out, was no longer going to be the coach.
But Jimmy chitp would said, Hey, there's one more thing.
Coach stays, I play, coach goes, I go. That's the
Jimmy Chitwood. Sammy, now you're familiar. Absolutely, student, now you're familiar. Okay,
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So so he didn't he didn't do the Jimmy Chitwood,
but he said, this is my guy, and he's won
a Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
He went through all the things.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Let me read between the lines of what Dak Prescott said. Okay,
in reading between the lines, Mike McCarthy didn't get to
pick Mike Zimmers' defensive coordinator. Probably some other staff members
he didn't get to pick, and the defense has been
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an abject disaster more than anything. They likely don't fit,
don't get along. And so what Dak said without saying
it is, hey, give a new contract and then let
him pick his own staff, and if it still doesn't work,
you can get rid of all of us. That was
what I heard, Dan. Do you hear anything different.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
I think it's pretty strong. I just think that Dak's
playing the right cards. But yeah, you're you're more invested
than me.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Okay, okay, when the worst defense in the country, Am
I really sure there's anything else you can do?
Speaker 3 (19:10):
R J Young joined us.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Of course, he got the number one show on Fox
Sports that covers college football.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
R JA.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Let me let me start with the news of the
day before we get to the college Football Playoff.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Any chance Lincoln Riley leaves sc for Central Florida.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
Well, I don't think they're sniffing, just, you know, out
of something that they don't know. If they sense that
you would like to leave that place, perhaps they're trying
to initiate such a thing. And I don't know, Doug.
Three years ago, this man is the head coach at
in Oklahoma. That one's the college football Playoff, a few
pieces away from playing for national championships. So it is
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quite unimaginable for me to think of you leaving Oklahoma
only to end up in Central Florida in three years time.
So I don't know that he's going to go, but
there's interest in that's the ninety million bi dollar buyout
is not really that big a deal, says the lot.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Yeah, I don't think there's any interest. I don't think
they're sniffing for anything. I think they want attention, and
they're doing what good athletic directors should do, which is like, hey,
let's find somebody's really good that that might be a
year or two away from getting fired, and see if
they want to restart the shark clock.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
I will point out r J. I would. I'd like
a little credit here.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
People said, hey, he's leaving because he's scared of the
SEC's like, no, he knows. It's almost impossible for you
to win at Oklahoma to level they want you to
win at in the SEC.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Is that fair?
Speaker 5 (20:35):
No, no, it's not. It's not even a little bit fair.
You know better than most people. It's Oklahoma down seven
national championships, seven hiding Trophy winners. We rented a room
at the College Football Playoff. Oldness doesn't do that, Albert,
you won a national championship in the twenty first century.
They don't do that, all right, No, it is not
out of the question. In Oklahoma having a sixty six
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year still beats an Alabama team that looks destined to
make the College Football Playoff. So that's two years in
a row that Oklahoma would have a win against teams
that are playing in the College Football Playoff that it's
fourteen or twelve teams make no different to me. Oklahoma's
right where they want to be, and I think that
you know, Lincoln could have had that spot too. Now
it's for invitable too.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
They're where they want to be.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
Yeah, they're in the SEC, that's what no.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
But are they as a football program.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
They're a non player, They have no the residents, all
that stuff has changed, r J. I mean, honestly, the
reason that it's it's not anything about Oklahoma. It's just
they're in a deeper pool of teams that haven't spend
more money than they do.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
That's the reality of it.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
These are I don't see it that way. And the
reason that I don't see it that way is Oklahoma
went six and seven twenty twenty two, one ten games
next year. It's been evan more than it's been flowing
here of late. But when Indiana can win eleven games,
when S and U can make that's in.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
The Big Ten. It's in the ACC. It's not again like.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
Listen, when Texas makes it an SEC championship.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
They have twice the money of Oklahoma.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
Twice, and they've always had twice the money of Oklahoma.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
And right now you can spend it on players.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Now you can go and actually buy the players legally,
buy them legally. I argue, Look, I love your passion,
I love your knowledge of Oklahoma. I'm going to tell
you that everybody in the.
Speaker 5 (22:29):
Sport you think, you think I'm an idiot about this. No, no,
I just I just no.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
I just think in this like, look, my argument for
why the SEC should get five, hell even six teams
in is the same reason I think it's going to
be really really hard for Oklahoma to compete is those
other schools. Oklahoma's all in on football, but the all
in is totally different. The advantage they had in the
Big Twelve was they were historically dominant in that league. Okay,
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and every year they were in the Big Twelve Championship,
and they could go to all the kids in Texas
and be like, look all those other schools, even though
even once A and M, and it hurt them a
little bit when A and M got into the SEC,
But all those other schools that are in the SEC,
they're fighting cratch and gone. We're in the Big Tel
champion to every single year every year, and we play
close to home. Now all those schools in Texas play
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close to home and are in the SEC. They can
pay more money at A and M and at all
those other schools, and you no longer have the historic.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Dominance, nor do you have the spending dominans.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
You're not playing, you're not competing against Kansas and Iowa
State and Oklahoma State. They're inferior programs based upon history
and spending. That doesn't matter, and the history doesn't matter anymore.
All that matters is the amount of money that you have.
That's what really matters. And that's why the SEC is
so dominant. They have better players than everybody else. And
this Oklahoma squad, I think probably wins the Big Twelve
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and they're not really competitive in the SEC.
Speaker 5 (23:54):
You've got in Oklahoma State from mine right now?
Speaker 3 (23:57):
No, no, no, why I had nothing to do with Oklahoma State.
This is the reality.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
Allow me, allow me, allow me, allow me. You stay
in the Oklahoma is competing with Kansas State, Texas, Texas,
these teams for no, no.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
No, no, that's not what I said. That's not what
I said. Previously RJ RJ RJ.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Previously they were playing against inferior posts. They were the
Yankees playing against the Rays, playing against the Indians, or sorry,
the Guardians playing against the Royals. Now they're the Red
Sox against the Yankees. The Dodgers, like all.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Those teams have more money and spend more money than
they do. They're not even the Red Sox. They just do.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Look at their budgets. It's it's you're now you're at
the low end. When they were number two in budget
and number one in history in the Big twelve and
Big Eight.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
Doug, I'm from a state that was created at than
air in the twentieth century. I'm from a place that
has tornadoes and dust bowls. I'm from a place that
doesn't really always have the advantages that you're talking about,
and yet and still manage to show up and beat
people when it's time to beat people. This too will pass.
It's gonna be okay. Oklahoma's in the SEC. It's a
bad year by Oklahoma standards. They're still going bowling the
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only team in the state that is. I think that
they're going to be just fine. Now. I think you're
also onto something and you're talking about where you're putting
the money. But when the Ohio State can spend twenty
million dollars to not beat Michigan. There's only so much
of the money's going to do at one point or another.
You got to get the coaching right, and that's one
of the things that Oklahoma's been able to do historically.
But also this is a bigger point, right and I
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think you and I can swarm up on Voltahon on this.
The injuries that happen in Oklahoma this year should never happen.
You've got injuries all up and down that roster. I
think that's Jerry Schmidt that you've got to call test.
Why don't we have our best players on the football
field for most of the year, And why is it
that we can go and beat Alabama with second and
third stringers when we can't even get it up to
be a Tennessee team that we should probably be. So
forth so on. I think it's just a series of
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bad events that have happened for Oklahoma. But I don't
think this is Oklahoma normal.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Okay, let's get to the college football playoff rankings. Okay,
help me make sense of it. Here's the first one.
We talked about this a little bit earlier in the show.
Wart Manuel said there's no new data points for teams
that aren't playing this weekend. I'm looking at South Carolina
that just beat Clemson at Clemson, Clemson plays SMU.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
If Clemson beats SMU did the ACC.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Champion, that's a new data point for South Carolina. Why
will the committee not look at South Carolina through a
different lens if Clemson wins this weekend?
Speaker 5 (26:36):
I thought the SIST committee is off as rocker from
the jumps. That's one right, Boise State being one of
your top four I had rank conference champions. Give me
a break man. So that on its face, but it's
South here a lot of things. Oklahoma, they'd be in
the College Football playoffs, and it's suck to say it
that way, but who looks at their resume. They got
six wins to get stop twenty five programs. Their only
losses are get stop twenty five programs. They played a
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tough schedule, and anyone not nine friggin games, you know,
may be the Tennessee team that should be a seman
Tennessee team. They beat a Cintans team that should be
in the College Football Playoffs any other year still could
get there. I'm with you. I think that there are
still data points to be That's why we're playing conference
championships because there's new data points. I also think that
this committee doesn't know if it's coming to going, you know,
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because on the one hand, they tell me they value wins.
On the other hand, anybody wants that looks at SMU's
resume will tell you they got two wins against teams
that are above five hundred. It's not a great schedule.
The loss of BYU doesn't look so good now the
YU is not playing in the Big twelve championship. I
think that Warden Manual is in the spot that every
chair has been in since we've created this thing, which
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is you're winning the bulletproofs best for a bunch of
suits that I don't think watch football the way that
I watch football, the way that you watch football. We're
better at this than they are, but we still have
to live with their results. Let me add this part
to it. You know that this committee can and probably
will choose violence because there's nothing any here to say
that they've got to pick a high win conference champion.
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They don't have to pick confence champions. They got to
pick the twelve best teams and if they thought that
Kent State was one of them and none of the
others are our conference champions, they could do that. We
don't trust this group, and we don't trust this institution
as they put it together. Somebody is going to have
to take back controls or put some more governance on
this committee because I'm telling you this will be the
first and the lab time that a G five program
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gets one of those highest power for spots that we
thought we're going to go to powder four schools. Now
we're looking around going, really, are we're going to give
this the boys think national jampions so they can go
get their bust kick by Ohio State. Really nobody wants that.
I think. I think you're right. I think there's a
new data point. I think at SMU can get the win.
Everybody looks fine, but if Clinton gets to win, then
all hell breaks loose.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Yeah, the Boise you State thing, it's like it's one
of those we've gone and the pendulum swings right, We've
gone from the Hey, we got to make sure these
guys are part of this thing, right, because the reality
of how the financial aspect of the sports, you have
to have the non power for conferences involved. You have
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to have them part of it because those guarantee games
make a lot of money for a lot of people.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
They just do.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
You need them to be You need everybody to feel
like they're part of it. So you got to give
them a spot. But one of the top four seeds,
what are we doing, SMU, one of the top four seeds,
what are we doing?
Speaker 3 (29:27):
Right?
Speaker 2 (29:28):
And even Indiana, it's like we're falling for the old
banana and the tailpipe. You beat the ACC, but you
beat the bottom of the ACC Indiana, all the teams
they beat, we're at the bottom of the Big Ten. Literally,
look at their wins. They're all over the bottom of
the Big Ten. Even the Michigan win, which looks better now.
They beat Ohio State, Like Michigan was like seventh place
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in the Big Ten. The only Big Ten team that
they've beaten that has an above five hundred record was
Michigan and they played Ohio State.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Granted it's a hard game on the road.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Hey, they couldn't complete a forward pass. We're putting them
as one of the twelve best teams in the country.
It makes zero sense to me, zero sense to me.
Speaker 5 (30:11):
So I think I'm loud I think we're gonna have
to start talking about the quiet part out loud, you know,
which is that we're gonna want to put teams in
these spots that rate, teams that have large following teams
that don't.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
I don't think. I don't think it has anything to
do with ratings.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
I honestly think it has to do with the legitimacy,
Like college football has changed people that spend the money.
It doesn't mean it's the magic elixir to every problem, okay,
but teams that spend the money have better players, have
better coaches, and are better and they played against harder
schedules against better teams.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Like that's the reality of it, you know, just the
reality of it.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
So I, you know, I don't, And I think everyone
who's real, all the coaches in this work off air,
off Mike, will tell you that, oh, the SEC is
the best. It's a different sort. And then when they
have to come to talk about their conference, they're like, look,
Indiana should get in Penn State, Ohio State, Like what
are we doing?
Speaker 3 (31:08):
I mean even Penn State's resume.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Is very very very slim, very slim. I guess not
a lot too. There's not a lot of meat on
that bone. But they're Penn State and they kind of
looked the part. They spend a lot of money, like
I I a lot of the men. But man, the
Indiana thing, the Boise Boise thing, the SMU thing makes
zero sense to me. Last thing, RJ. If you had
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to guess, it's not an easy guests who wins this thing?
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Who is it?
Speaker 5 (31:37):
I mean, nobody's beating Oregon yet, man, Like, that's that's
just it. Nobody's beating that team. And Dan Lanny has
one of the more complete teams in the sport. Because
that's what it's become for me. It's who plays great defense,
who plays great offense. Having a better defense than a
better offense is going to probably give you a better
shot to win a championship like Texas. Right. Texas reminds
me of twenty twenty one Georgia. They're good enough offensively
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to go get you what do if they need to,
But that defense has been playing lights out. They get
a chance to show that in the SEC Championship game
this weekend. I think that Dan Lanning also gives you
coaches making a play, which is something I've been huge
on this year. Did the coach make a great timeout?
Did he call a great trick play? We call the
right fake hunt at the right time. Dan Lenny has
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that stuff in his back pocket, and he wants this
more than I think any other coach in the country
wants this, and that matters. So right now, it feels
like the only team left in the entire sport that
is undefeated is going to run the table and win
the twelve team college football Playoff for the first time,
get Oregon their first national championship.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
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can download it. He's the host of the Number one
show podcast on Fox Sports r J.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Great stuff.
Speaker 5 (32:45):
We'll talk soon, Okay, Love you, Doug, Thanks for having
me on.
Speaker 6 (32:49):
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Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Steve deve Wasden.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Hits me up on x He lives in Idaho, so
he's obviously a Boise State guy. Doug, I hope this
spring you feel the same about champions of several small
conferences making the field of sixty four sixty eighteens. By
the way that you do Boise playing in the football tournament. Hey, Steve,
how about you actually listen.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
I want to make this very very clear.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Okay, I absolutely believe that Boise should play in the
college football Playoff. I absolutely think it's a crime to
offer up even the possibility they'd be one of the
top four seeds getting a bye.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
It's silly. What are we doing again?
Speaker 2 (33:40):
It'd be one thing, and I love that they scheduled
up and they played orgon, but for a school at
their level to get a buye, they would have had
to play probably two to three of the Oregon level games,
you know, just like, hey, let's play organ and then
play at the Mountain West, you know, and that that
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should be enough. No, Hey, Boise's schedule Georgia, Southern Portland State,
Georgia Southern Portland State, and Oregon on the road, all right.
They beat Wazoo, who is in their league this year,
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the be Utah State, they beat Hawaii, They beat UNLV
where they play again by five on the road, good
win San Diego State and Nevada by seven. A comeback
win San Jose State, Wyoming and Oregon State. Like if
if anyone thinks that's a schedule anywhere in the ballpark
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of an es Like, what are we actually doing?
Speaker 3 (34:53):
What are we doing?
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Also what should be pointed out and this is there's
no fault of their own. Colorado State was the second
best team or Tiver's second best team in the Mountain West.
They did not play them, did not play them. Fresno State,
whose coach had to retire it was the fourth best
team in the league, did not play them. So in addition,
(35:19):
and again, you can't control who you play and who
you don't play in your league. That's just you know,
there's a different calculation when you're Indiana. When your boyse
I'm sure they try to put him against the best
of the best. Colorado State end up finishing way better
than maybe other people imagine. But what are we doing here?
(35:40):
We're like gonna make them a top four seed. So
of course I'll champion the champions of the small conferences.
They should be in the field of sixty eight. They
should be, and one non powerfularce should be in the
field of twelve. But a top four seed, Like what
do we do? Come on U shortly after the show,
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Speaker 6 (36:19):
I mean, this is game.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Can we not get to get to a game?
Speaker 6 (36:23):
Dog on the Dug?
Speaker 3 (36:24):
Sorry? Yeah, we have Like sorry, well let's get to
this one.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
The one thing of the game that you want to
talk about, which I think is a really good topic.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
Probably just have just done it as a topic.
Speaker 4 (36:35):
Well, I mean it's the game was for better or worse?
There's a lot of there was a lot of work
put into this and through it.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
But if you want it, do you want to do
it top of the hours to the midway?
Speaker 6 (36:45):
No?
Speaker 4 (36:45):
No, absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
But that the okay for better for a better force?
Let me ask you, okay better for worse?
Speaker 3 (36:51):
The field of twelve, field of four or worse? Field
of twelve or field of four?
Speaker 4 (36:55):
What do you think the field of twelve is better?
The controversy surrounding the fields of four were actually better
than this. The arguments that we're having here, I just
it's not ridiculous, but this is all that we wanted
in when there was a four team playoff, there would
have been no access for a Boise State, there would
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have been no access for other schools. And we knew
that this was coming. We knew that this was happening.
And now I just I don't think it's a great
injustice to your point about Boise State. Yeah, they shouldn't
have they shouldn't get a first round by but to
have an access to the playoff. Absolutely, And it's more
of like going to the grocery store without a list
because they just threw this thing together. Like this thing
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was so thrown together, and this is what we've got.
We'll get a real bracket probably in two years, but
right now it's a total mess.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
I also think there's a little love when you try
to please everybody, you please nobody, and I think that's
where they are with this.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
Yeah, yep, it's a bummer. I would agree with you.
I think it is better, but there's some parts that
are worse. All right.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
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We're in Indianapolis, Indianapolis, Indiana, sight of our first Horizon
League basketball game. That's that's the league at my club,
the Green Bay Phoenix participates in and is just like
(01:00):
the real quick trivia for you, which is we we
practice today, but not at the site of our game,
our game. He is at i UI every People were like,
I've never heard of that school, have you ever? And
Dan Byer He's heard of every school. Dan, do you
remember I U P ui ouey pooy as some people.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Would call it.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Yes, yes, that's Indiana University, Purdue University, Indianapolis. Most big
state institutions have have what are they called sister campuses,
or there's another term for it. They have other branch
satellite campuses.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
So what it was was, it's a major university, okay
in Indianapolis, jointly funded by Indiana and Purdue. Well, Purdue
is like, nah, we're out, We're going to do our
own thing. Indiana is like, we're still in. So now
it's Indiana University, Indianapolis. I think I think it should
be hey, we're no longer pooey where OOI were no
(02:01):
longer pooey. I think that's actually a good kind of
motivational Like at Green Bay we say, you know, we
together we rise, Right, that's because where the phoenix, the phoenix.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Rise from the ashes. I like that.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
How about OUI no longer pooey come to Indianapolis University
in Indiana University in Napolis and just again throwing that
out there marketing guys Semere School of Business, Oklahoma State University.
Just I just offering that up anyway, Bayer, you know
this okay, but I'll give you the quiz that the
others failed before the show. They failed miserably. I UI's
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on campus gym known as the Jungle. They're the Jaguars,
so their gym is the Jungle. They play in the
Jungle gym. Anyway, not available for shoot around except for
eight to nine am too early, one to two pm
too late. So I called the folks at at a
different school and we got to shoot around. Who's the
most successful program in the history of the Horizon League?
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Dan Byer? Butler? Yes? And like we Butler's not. I
know they're not yet dead. There you go, Dan Byer.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
When they went to back to back national championships, they
were in the Horizon League, and then they elevated to
the Atlantic Ten. Then they elevated to the Big East
and now they're proud member of the Big East. Anyway,
I got to practice today at famed Hinkle Fieldhouse and
then make the point, Hey, this is the model. This
is It can be done from the Horizon League. Butler
did it from the Rising League. Why can't we?
Speaker 4 (03:24):
And I feel that Valpo was the program prior to that?
Would that be prior to Butler?
Speaker 2 (03:29):
As far as the one that yes, yes, yes, and
you know Oakland's had some success Oakland last year obviously
be Kentucky and the NCAA Tournament and great camp.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
He has been there forever. This is the Doug Gotlib
Show here on fox Port Trait.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Speaking of Indiana, Folks Indiana are happy, not with me,
but with the Selex Committee because right now they're still
in the field. It looks like they'll be in the
field for the first college football Playoff. But the folks
at Miami not particularly not particularly happy. Yesterday, the the
new college Football Playoff standings came out and Miami was
(04:07):
the first team out. Jim Phillips is the commissioner of
the ACC. He had this to say in a written statement.
Miami has more wins and fewer losses than any other
team directly ahead of them, and a dominant victory over
an SEC team whose late season surge included a win
over number thirteen Old Miss More Over a team with
two losses combined by nine points to rank team like
(04:29):
Syracuse and Georgia Tech.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
They just took Georgia.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
That a Georgia Tech team that took number five Georgia
to eight overtimes. Miami absolutely deserves better from the committee
that from Dan Radovich. He tweeted this in his reaction, Okay,
can I make a do you guys mind buyer?
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Can we Can I make a counterpoint? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Okay, here's the thing I don't like, and this is
not just about sports. Actually, I think I think Jay
stew you'll love this because you love talking about politics.
So do I probably too much. We're not in the
same end of the political spectrum. I'm not opposite you.
I'm much more, as I've told people, in the middle,
(05:11):
as opposed to I think you're actually more in the
middle than you lead out to believe. You just hate
the fringes, especially one.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Of the fringes.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
If you were going to make the argument that, hey,
we beat Florida first game of the season, they smote Florida.
Jim Phillips did what politicians always do, right. What do
politicians always do? They curiously omit things that don't work
in their favor.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Right.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Okay, here's one curious omission. Yes, Florida did did have
a huge late season, search they did so with a
different quarterback than the one who played Week one of
the season.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Okay. Additionally, if we're.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Going with the Hey, we only lost by a handful
of points to Georgia Tech and Syracuse. Here's the counterpoint,
should have lost to Virginia Tech, should have lost to
col There was one other game, like three in a row.
It was an absolute miracle that they beat Virginia Tech,
that they beat Calen. There's one other game that was
an absolute escape, but commissioners don't want to say that. Look,
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we've been paying attention. And here's the thing, Okay, I
think Miami. I would I have less problem with Miami
being in as opposed to SMU if SMU loses Saturday
or Indiana even And my logic is this, I believe
that the SEC is far and away the best league,
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and that any historical data you want to give me,
which by the way, also proves the SEC is the
best league, isn't even appropriate. Because this is a new era.
You can legally buy players, and the SEC has spent
more money than anybody else, and it doesn't always work
out to be a better team, but it is a
much better, much more talented league, much more difficult week
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to week to win the SEC in any other league.
And I'm gonna Luma the Big twelve I'm a huge
Big twelve fan. Of course, we live in Big ten country. Okay,
I've lived in Pac ten, Pac twelve country forever. This
has nothing to do with I don't get paid by
any of these conferences. I'm not trying to see the
downfall of the league. I'm just telling you the reality,
especially now that I'm in college basketball.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
You know why.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Last night there was the SEC ACC Challenge. Correct or
it's part of two night deal. There were ten games,
how many of the ACC. The ACC is as vaunted
a basketball league as there has ever been. Think about
this in the ACC. Duke and Carolina they played to night,
didn't play last night. In fairness, Virginia they played tonight,
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they don't play. Didn't play last night. Okay, Duke, Carolina,
Virginia all national champions in recent years.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Okay, they have Louisville, they have Syracuse.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Like in terms of name recognition college basketball programs that
they're amazing. Last night there were ten games the SEC
one night of them, the only loss. The only loss
was Kentucky, obviously the biggest name in the SEC basketball.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
They lost on the road to Clemson.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Where road games that happens, especially when there's a disproportionate
number of fouls.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
The point is.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
That the SEC has and uses more money on their
players than any other conference. It's absolutely inarguable you'll have
a one off Ohio State football, for example, most people
believe their budgets around twenty million dollars, which is tops
in all of college football. Maybe not the top, it's
one of the tops. And it doesn't mean that Ohio
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State's a perfect team. Matter of fact, in two of
their biggest tests they failed. But the point is that
it creates a greater depth of talent and a likelihood
of success that you just don't have when you're dealing
with a million dollar, two million dollars, five million dollar payroll.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
It's just the reality of it.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
They have better players because they spend more money. Go figure,
It's like buying a car. Is every one hundred thousand
dollars car better than every thirty thousand dollars car. No,
you can get a limit, but by and large, better materials,
better build quality, better likelihood of a better vehicle. That's
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the reality to it. And I get that Miami is like, hey,
we're Miami. First of all, you haven't been relevant in years,
so let's not act like your name, Reckon. But also
I would say that Miami gets the Miami Pass because
people want Miami to be relevant because Miami was.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
So good for so long.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
I mean, honestly, if Jim Phillips is honest with himself, okay,
is honest with himself. SMU having only one loss is
a bad look for the league. It shows how bad
the league is historically. Virginia Tech is awesome. Historically, Miami
is awesome. Historically, Florida State is awesome. Florida State won
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one game this year.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Virginia Tech.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
It's been a while since they've been up off the
mat and this is the the best of Miami has
been in a decade. And you lost to your last
three games, two teams that aren't in the playoffs. And
you could say, well, they're good teams. Great, you didn't
beat them, And who did you beat?
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Great?
Speaker 2 (10:14):
You beat a Florida team that's not in the discussion.
It's not one of the top seven or eight teams
in the SEC. And by the way, a Florida team
that's that changed quarterbacks since Miami smoked them to start
to start the year. My thing is was and has
always been I think the SEC is the best league.
I think if it's ever, if it's even close, I
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mean Old Miss has got better players. Yeah, I think
Alabama belongs in And I'm interested to see what happens
if is boys he's taking really gonna be a top
four seed, Like what are we actually doing? Is Indiana
really going to be in the field when they have
zero victories over anybody in the field and all of
their wins against the bottom of the Big ten?
Speaker 3 (10:58):
So, byer, what do you think, Bud?
Speaker 4 (11:01):
Yeah, I'll say I'll say this. I think that the
comments from Jim Phillips were expected. I thought that the
comments from Ward Manuel were pretty glaring when he said
that the teams that aren't playing this weekend have no
more data points for them to change their resume.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
That's actually not true, by the way, And I get
let me, let me help you up, and I don't
mean it up, but I'm gonna lose my train, I
thought if I do.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Okay, So if.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
South Carolina, who I believe belongs in the field, If
Clemson beats beats SMU, and Clemson is the ACC champion
and Clemson then goes to the College Football Playoff, that's
absolutely a data point he's he's wrong, He's one hundred
percent wrong. They just beat Clemson at Clemson by three points.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
I agree with you. I'm the one that's not in
power though, and neither are you, and.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
That no I know, But again, like I was, I
was stunned. Yeah, that there wasn't a follow up question
ward respectfully, what about Clemson?
Speaker 3 (12:08):
What about Clemson?
Speaker 2 (12:10):
If Clemson beats SMU, doesn't that change the data points
for South Carolina?
Speaker 5 (12:16):
I thought?
Speaker 4 (12:17):
And the reason why that comment stood up for a
lot of reasons and one that you plainly laid out there,
And yeah, he's exactly right. It would enhance the resume
of a team like South Carolina if those Dominoes felt
that way or felt that way, or that domino fell
that way. What I do find interesting with this comment though,
in looking at the bracket compared to what it was
(12:37):
a week ago. All last week, Doug was I complained
about is the committee setting up these rankings for rankings
purposes or are they setting up the rankings to have
the correct bracket? And I felt that they were just
ranking teams for ranking teams. And now when you look
at the bracket that was released this week, what college
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football fan wouldn't want to see those four games that
they have in the first round of the playoffs, and
even their fallback would be like, let's say Penn State
beats Oregon in the Big Ten championship game. Now you've got,
you know, an Oregon possibly against an Arizona State squad.
Like these matchups are so salivating for the viewer that
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I feel that's where they went as a committee, that
this meeting was like, all right, we're going to fill
out a bracket. It's no longer about rankings. What's the
best bracket that we could get. And I feel that
that's what they laid out. And I think that's why
he said what he said, because he doesn't want to
adjust Ohio State or Tennessee or Indiana or you know,
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like those schools because of the place that they are,
Notre Dame. Just that's why I think he put those matchups,
or this group put the matchups, because this is how
they wanted the bracket to look.
Speaker 6 (13:55):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
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Speaker 3 (14:06):
Stut Gottlib Show.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Fox Sports Radio, coming to you from the tyrack dot
Com studios. Man, there's a bunch of things I want
to get to today. Hey, Dan, are you okay with
doing buyer's Remorse a little bit later today? We didn't
get to it yesterday. I'm sure everybody has a lot
of things that they're remorse for over. But Dan actually
gets the voices on radio, and they're all sports related.
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That'll be next hour.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
R J.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Young's going to join us up coming in about five minutes.
He's Fox Sports college football analyst, host of the Number
one Show podcast on Fox Sports.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
But uh, let's let's talk about the Cowboys. Why well,
they're the cowboys.
Speaker 6 (14:48):
Let's talk about the cowboys. Why well, because they're the cowboys.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
Cowboys?
Speaker 2 (14:56):
All right, we do have some new sound for you,
some Cowboys South. This comes from Dak Prescott. Of course,
Mike McCarthy is in a lame duck year to this point,
Jerry Jones, to this point, Jerry Jones has really offered
nothing in terms of the idea that Mike McCarthy wouldn't
be back. Here's Dak Prescott on his coaches contract status.
Speaker 7 (15:16):
I believe in him wholeheartedly. I think he definitely deserves
a chance another another contract, and I had a chance
to coach this team amongst and and kind of I
guess you can say more influence on his terms maybe
be a maybe be a good way to say it.
But but I wholeheartedly believe in him. The guys won
(15:38):
a Super Bowl. I know Jerry's attested to that. There's
not many guys or coaches who have done that, and
to have one that can do it from experience, and
I know how valuable he's been for me.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Okay, So that's Dak doing what so many athletes won't do, Okay,
which is this is my guy. I want to play
for him. He didn't do the Jimmy and we are
in Indiana.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Hey, you guys are familiar with the Jimmy Chitwood.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
Kate calling Dan Byer.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Of course, Dan Byer knows it. Chase Stu, are you
familiar with the Jimmy Chitwood?
Speaker 5 (16:15):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (16:15):
No, Oh, Sam, you're familiar with Jimmy Chitwood.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Are you not?
Speaker 6 (16:20):
He was coached by Gene Hackman, I understand.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
But the Jimmy Chipwood, the scene I'm talking about in
the Fame.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Movie Hoosiers, I missed you on that one.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
I guess okay, so here's the scene and buyer. If
I miss anything, you helped me out.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Jimmy Chitwood is the basketball star at Hickory, but he's not.
He didn't play the first couple of games. He didn't
come to practice. He just shoot out in his hoop
out in his farm hey with a dirt floor and
wooden backboard to hoop and never missed. But he wasn't playing.
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The season got off to a more than rock start
where the coach, played by Gene Heckman, actually finished one
of the games with only four players on the floor,
despite the fact that he had one that was eligible
to play. After one of his players filed out another
woman was hurt, he said, my team is on the floor.
He wanted his team to play his way, and he
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didn't care if they won or lost. Because of it,
the town called a meeting to take a vote whether
or not they wanted to continue with the coach or
fire the coach. They took that vote, but before they
read the tally of the vote, Jimmy Chipwood came in
from outside and said, I think it's time for me
to start playing ball. The crowd erupted, the crowd erupted,
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and that was when they read the tally that the
coach was out, was no longer going to be the coach.
But Jimmy chitp would said, Hey, there's one more thing.
Coach stays, I play, coach goes, I go. That's the
Jimmy Chitwood. Sammy, now you're familiar. Absolutely, student, now you're familiar. Okay,
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So so he didn't he didn't do the Jimmy Chitwood,
but he said, this is my guy, and he's won
a Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
He went through all the things.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Let me read between the lines of what Dak Prescott said. Okay,
in reading between the lines, Mike McCarthy didn't get to
pick Mike Zimmers' defensive coordinator. Probably some other staff members
he didn't get to pick, and the defense has been
(18:37):
an abject disaster more than anything. They likely don't fit,
don't get along. And so what Dak said without saying
it is, hey, give a new contract and then let
him pick his own staff, and if it still doesn't work,
you can get rid of all of us. That was
what I heard, Dan. Do you hear anything different.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
I think it's pretty strong. I just think that Dak's
playing the right cards. But yeah, you're you're more invested
than me.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Okay, okay, when the worst defense in the country, Am
I really sure there's anything else you can do?
Speaker 3 (19:10):
R J Young joined us.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Of course, he got the number one show on Fox
Sports that covers college football.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
R JA.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Let me let me start with the news of the
day before we get to the college Football Playoff.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Any chance Lincoln Riley leaves sc for Central Florida.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
Well, I don't think they're sniffing, just, you know, out
of something that they don't know. If they sense that
you would like to leave that place, perhaps they're trying
to initiate such a thing. And I don't know, Doug.
Three years ago, this man is the head coach at
in Oklahoma. That one's the college football Playoff, a few
pieces away from playing for national championships. So it is
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quite unimaginable for me to think of you leaving Oklahoma
only to end up in Central Florida in three years time.
So I don't know that he's going to go, but
there's interest in that's the ninety million bi dollar buyout
is not really that big a deal, says the lot.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Yeah, I don't think there's any interest. I don't think
they're sniffing for anything. I think they want attention, and
they're doing what good athletic directors should do, which is like, hey,
let's find somebody's really good that that might be a
year or two away from getting fired, and see if
they want to restart the shark clock.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
I will point out r J. I would. I'd like
a little credit here.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
People said, hey, he's leaving because he's scared of the
SEC's like, no, he knows. It's almost impossible for you
to win at Oklahoma to level they want you to
win at in the SEC.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Is that fair?
Speaker 5 (20:35):
No, no, it's not. It's not even a little bit fair.
You know better than most people. It's Oklahoma down seven
national championships, seven hiding Trophy winners. We rented a room
at the College Football Playoff. Oldness doesn't do that, Albert,
you won a national championship in the twenty first century.
They don't do that, all right, No, it is not
out of the question. In Oklahoma having a sixty six
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year still beats an Alabama team that looks destined to
make the College Football Playoff. So that's two years in
a row that Oklahoma would have a win against teams
that are playing in the College Football Playoff that it's
fourteen or twelve teams make no different to me. Oklahoma's
right where they want to be, and I think that
you know, Lincoln could have had that spot too. Now
it's for invitable too.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
They're where they want to be.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
Yeah, they're in the SEC, that's what no.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
But are they as a football program.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
They're a non player, They have no the residents, all
that stuff has changed, r J. I mean, honestly, the
reason that it's it's not anything about Oklahoma. It's just
they're in a deeper pool of teams that haven't spend
more money than they do.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
That's the reality of it.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
These are I don't see it that way. And the
reason that I don't see it that way is Oklahoma
went six and seven twenty twenty two, one ten games
next year. It's been evan more than it's been flowing
here of late. But when Indiana can win eleven games,
when S and U can make that's in.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
The Big Ten. It's in the ACC. It's not again like.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
Listen, when Texas makes it an SEC championship.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
They have twice the money of Oklahoma.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
Twice, and they've always had twice the money of Oklahoma.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
And right now you can spend it on players.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Now you can go and actually buy the players legally,
buy them legally. I argue, Look, I love your passion,
I love your knowledge of Oklahoma. I'm going to tell
you that everybody in the.
Speaker 5 (22:29):
Sport you think, you think I'm an idiot about this. No, no,
I just I just no.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
I just think in this like, look, my argument for
why the SEC should get five, hell even six teams
in is the same reason I think it's going to
be really really hard for Oklahoma to compete is those
other schools. Oklahoma's all in on football, but the all
in is totally different. The advantage they had in the
Big Twelve was they were historically dominant in that league. Okay,
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and every year they were in the Big Twelve Championship,
and they could go to all the kids in Texas
and be like, look all those other schools, even though
even once A and M, and it hurt them a
little bit when A and M got into the SEC,
But all those other schools that are in the SEC,
they're fighting cratch and gone. We're in the Big Tel
champion to every single year every year, and we play
close to home. Now all those schools in Texas play
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close to home and are in the SEC. They can
pay more money at A and M and at all
those other schools, and you no longer have the historic.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Dominance, nor do you have the spending dominans.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
You're not playing, you're not competing against Kansas and Iowa
State and Oklahoma State. They're inferior programs based upon history
and spending. That doesn't matter, and the history doesn't matter anymore.
All that matters is the amount of money that you have.
That's what really matters. And that's why the SEC is
so dominant. They have better players than everybody else. And
this Oklahoma squad, I think probably wins the Big Twelve
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and they're not really competitive in the SEC.
Speaker 5 (23:54):
You've got in Oklahoma State from mine right now?
Speaker 3 (23:57):
No, no, no, why I had nothing to do with Oklahoma State.
This is the reality.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
Allow me, allow me, allow me, allow me. You stay
in the Oklahoma is competing with Kansas State, Texas, Texas,
these teams for no, no.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
No, no, that's not what I said. That's not what
I said. Previously RJ RJ RJ.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Previously they were playing against inferior posts. They were the
Yankees playing against the Rays, playing against the Indians, or sorry,
the Guardians playing against the Royals. Now they're the Red
Sox against the Yankees. The Dodgers, like all.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Those teams have more money and spend more money than
they do. They're not even the Red Sox. They just do.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Look at their budgets. It's it's you're now you're at
the low end. When they were number two in budget
and number one in history in the Big twelve and
Big Eight.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
Doug, I'm from a state that was created at than
air in the twentieth century. I'm from a place that
has tornadoes and dust bowls. I'm from a place that
doesn't really always have the advantages that you're talking about,
and yet and still manage to show up and beat
people when it's time to beat people. This too will pass.
It's gonna be okay. Oklahoma's in the SEC. It's a
bad year by Oklahoma standards. They're still going bowling the
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only team in the state that is. I think that
they're going to be just fine. Now. I think you're
also onto something and you're talking about where you're putting
the money. But when the Ohio State can spend twenty
million dollars to not beat Michigan. There's only so much
of the money's going to do at one point or another.
You got to get the coaching right, and that's one
of the things that Oklahoma's been able to do historically.
But also this is a bigger point, right and I
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think you and I can swarm up on Voltahon on this.
The injuries that happen in Oklahoma this year should never happen.
You've got injuries all up and down that roster. I
think that's Jerry Schmidt that you've got to call test.
Why don't we have our best players on the football
field for most of the year, And why is it
that we can go and beat Alabama with second and
third stringers when we can't even get it up to
be a Tennessee team that we should probably be. So
forth so on. I think it's just a series of
(25:56):
bad events that have happened for Oklahoma. But I don't
think this is Oklahoma normal.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Okay, let's get to the college football playoff rankings. Okay,
help me make sense of it. Here's the first one.
We talked about this a little bit earlier in the show.
Wart Manuel said there's no new data points for teams
that aren't playing this weekend. I'm looking at South Carolina
that just beat Clemson at Clemson, Clemson plays SMU.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
If Clemson beats SMU did the ACC.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Champion, that's a new data point for South Carolina. Why
will the committee not look at South Carolina through a
different lens if Clemson wins this weekend?
Speaker 5 (26:36):
I thought the SIST committee is off as rocker from
the jumps. That's one right, Boise State being one of
your top four I had rank conference champions. Give me
a break man. So that on its face, but it's
South here a lot of things. Oklahoma, they'd be in
the College Football playoffs, and it's suck to say it
that way, but who looks at their resume. They got
six wins to get stop twenty five programs. Their only
losses are get stop twenty five programs. They played a
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tough schedule, and anyone not nine friggin games, you know,
may be the Tennessee team that should be a seman
Tennessee team. They beat a Cintans team that should be
in the College Football Playoffs any other year still could
get there. I'm with you. I think that there are
still data points to be That's why we're playing conference
championships because there's new data points. I also think that
this committee doesn't know if it's coming to going, you know,
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because on the one hand, they tell me they value wins.
On the other hand, anybody wants that looks at SMU's
resume will tell you they got two wins against teams
that are above five hundred. It's not a great schedule.
The loss of BYU doesn't look so good now the
YU is not playing in the Big twelve championship. I
think that Warden Manual is in the spot that every
chair has been in since we've created this thing, which
(27:39):
is you're winning the bulletproofs best for a bunch of
suits that I don't think watch football the way that
I watch football, the way that you watch football. We're
better at this than they are, but we still have
to live with their results. Let me add this part
to it. You know that this committee can and probably
will choose violence because there's nothing any here to say
that they've got to pick a high win conference champion.
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They don't have to pick confence champions. They got to
pick the twelve best teams and if they thought that
Kent State was one of them and none of the
others are our conference champions, they could do that. We
don't trust this group, and we don't trust this institution
as they put it together. Somebody is going to have
to take back controls or put some more governance on
this committee because I'm telling you this will be the
first and the lab time that a G five program
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gets one of those highest power for spots that we
thought we're going to go to powder four schools. Now
we're looking around going, really, are we're going to give
this the boys think national jampions so they can go
get their bust kick by Ohio State. Really nobody wants that.
I think. I think you're right. I think there's a
new data point. I think at SMU can get the win.
Everybody looks fine, but if Clinton gets to win, then
all hell breaks loose.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Yeah, the Boise you State thing, it's like it's one
of those we've gone and the pendulum swings right, We've
gone from the Hey, we got to make sure these
guys are part of this thing, right, because the reality
of how the financial aspect of the sports, you have
to have the non power for conferences involved. You have
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to have them part of it because those guarantee games
make a lot of money for a lot of people.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
They just do.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
You need them to be You need everybody to feel
like they're part of it. So you got to give
them a spot. But one of the top four seeds,
what are we doing, SMU, one of the top four seeds,
what are we doing?
Speaker 3 (29:27):
Right?
Speaker 2 (29:28):
And even Indiana, it's like we're falling for the old
banana and the tailpipe. You beat the ACC, but you
beat the bottom of the ACC Indiana, all the teams
they beat, we're at the bottom of the Big Ten. Literally,
look at their wins. They're all over the bottom of
the Big Ten. Even the Michigan win, which looks better now.
They beat Ohio State, Like Michigan was like seventh place
(29:49):
in the Big Ten. The only Big Ten team that
they've beaten that has an above five hundred record was
Michigan and they played Ohio State.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Granted it's a hard game on the road.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Hey, they couldn't complete a forward pass. We're putting them
as one of the twelve best teams in the country.
It makes zero sense to me, zero sense to me.
Speaker 5 (30:11):
So I think I'm loud I think we're gonna have
to start talking about the quiet part out loud, you know,
which is that we're gonna want to put teams in
these spots that rate, teams that have large following teams
that don't.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
I don't think. I don't think it has anything to
do with ratings.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
I honestly think it has to do with the legitimacy,
Like college football has changed people that spend the money.
It doesn't mean it's the magic elixir to every problem, okay,
but teams that spend the money have better players, have
better coaches, and are better and they played against harder
schedules against better teams.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Like that's the reality of it, you know, just the
reality of it.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
So I, you know, I don't, And I think everyone
who's real, all the coaches in this work off air,
off Mike, will tell you that, oh, the SEC is
the best. It's a different sort. And then when they
have to come to talk about their conference, they're like, look,
Indiana should get in Penn State, Ohio State, Like what
are we doing?
Speaker 3 (31:08):
I mean even Penn State's resume.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Is very very very slim, very slim. I guess not
a lot too. There's not a lot of meat on
that bone. But they're Penn State and they kind of
looked the part. They spend a lot of money, like
I I a lot of the men. But man, the
Indiana thing, the Boise Boise thing, the SMU thing makes
zero sense to me. Last thing, RJ. If you had
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to guess, it's not an easy guests who wins this thing?
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Who is it?
Speaker 5 (31:37):
I mean, nobody's beating Oregon yet, man, Like, that's that's
just it. Nobody's beating that team. And Dan Lanny has
one of the more complete teams in the sport. Because
that's what it's become for me. It's who plays great defense,
who plays great offense. Having a better defense than a
better offense is going to probably give you a better
shot to win a championship like Texas. Right. Texas reminds
me of twenty twenty one Georgia. They're good enough offensively
(31:59):
to go get you what do if they need to,
But that defense has been playing lights out. They get
a chance to show that in the SEC Championship game
this weekend. I think that Dan Lanning also gives you
coaches making a play, which is something I've been huge
on this year. Did the coach make a great timeout?
Did he call a great trick play? We call the
right fake hunt at the right time. Dan Lenny has
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that stuff in his back pocket, and he wants this
more than I think any other coach in the country
wants this, and that matters. So right now, it feels
like the only team left in the entire sport that
is undefeated is going to run the table and win
the twelve team college football Playoff for the first time,
get Oregon their first national championship.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
That's our Jay Young Okay check out his show. Okay,
can download it. He's the host of the Number one
show podcast on Fox Sports r J.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Great stuff.
Speaker 5 (32:45):
We'll talk soon, Okay, Love you, Doug, Thanks for having
me on.
Speaker 6 (32:49):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Steve deve Wasden.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Hits me up on x He lives in Idaho, so
he's obviously a Boise State guy. Doug, I hope this
spring you feel the same about champions of several small
conferences making the field of sixty four sixty eighteens. By
the way that you do Boise playing in the football tournament. Hey, Steve,
how about you actually listen.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
I want to make this very very clear.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Okay, I absolutely believe that Boise should play in the
college football Playoff. I absolutely think it's a crime to
offer up even the possibility they'd be one of the
top four seeds getting a bye.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
It's silly. What are we doing again?
Speaker 2 (33:40):
It'd be one thing, and I love that they scheduled
up and they played orgon, but for a school at
their level to get a buye, they would have had
to play probably two to three of the Oregon level games,
you know, just like, hey, let's play organ and then
play at the Mountain West, you know, and that that
(34:04):
should be enough. No, Hey, Boise's schedule Georgia, Southern Portland State,
Georgia Southern Portland State, and Oregon on the road, all right.
They beat Wazoo, who is in their league this year,
(34:25):
the be Utah State, they beat Hawaii, They beat UNLV
where they play again by five on the road, good
win San Diego State and Nevada by seven. A comeback
win San Jose State, Wyoming and Oregon State. Like if
if anyone thinks that's a schedule anywhere in the ballpark
(34:48):
of an es Like, what are we actually doing?
Speaker 3 (34:53):
What are we doing?
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Also what should be pointed out and this is there's
no fault of their own. Colorado State was the second
best team or Tiver's second best team in the Mountain West.
They did not play them, did not play them. Fresno State,
whose coach had to retire it was the fourth best
team in the league, did not play them. So in addition,
(35:19):
and again, you can't control who you play and who
you don't play in your league. That's just you know,
there's a different calculation when you're Indiana. When your boyse
I'm sure they try to put him against the best
of the best. Colorado State end up finishing way better
than maybe other people imagine. But what are we doing here?
(35:40):
We're like gonna make them a top four seed. So
of course I'll champion the champions of the small conferences.
They should be in the field of sixty eight. They
should be, and one non powerfularce should be in the
field of twelve. But a top four seed, Like what
do we do? Come on U shortly after the show,
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Speaker 6 (36:19):
I mean, this is game.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Can we not get to get to a game?
Speaker 6 (36:23):
Dog on the Dug?
Speaker 3 (36:24):
Sorry? Yeah, we have Like sorry, well let's get to
this one.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
The one thing of the game that you want to
talk about, which I think is a really good topic.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
Probably just have just done it as a topic.
Speaker 4 (36:35):
Well, I mean it's the game was for better or worse?
There's a lot of there was a lot of work
put into this and through it.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
But if you want it, do you want to do
it top of the hours to the midway?
Speaker 6 (36:45):
No?
Speaker 4 (36:45):
No, absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
But that the okay for better for a better force?
Let me ask you, okay better for worse?
Speaker 3 (36:51):
The field of twelve, field of four or worse? Field
of twelve or field of four?
Speaker 4 (36:55):
What do you think the field of twelve is better?
The controversy surrounding the fields of four were actually better
than this. The arguments that we're having here, I just
it's not ridiculous, but this is all that we wanted
in when there was a four team playoff, there would
have been no access for a Boise State, there would
(37:16):
have been no access for other schools. And we knew
that this was coming. We knew that this was happening.
And now I just I don't think it's a great
injustice to your point about Boise State. Yeah, they shouldn't
have they shouldn't get a first round by but to
have an access to the playoff. Absolutely, And it's more
of like going to the grocery store without a list
because they just threw this thing together. Like this thing
(37:39):
was so thrown together, and this is what we've got.
We'll get a real bracket probably in two years, but
right now it's a total mess.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
I also think there's a little love when you try
to please everybody, you please nobody, and I think that's
where they are with this.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
Yeah, yep, it's a bummer. I would agree with you.
I think it is better, but there's some parts that
are worse. All right.
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