October 10, 2024 • 36 mins
Doug talks about the Dodgers' win over the Padres Wednesday night and explains why it is the perfect example of the phrase "That's Baseball!". Doug and the crew focus on sports in 2012 in this edition of "Don't Call It A Throwback...Thursday." Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "I Feel A Draft".
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next hour, he'll talk about the New York Jets and
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head coach Eric man Genie Eric Mangini will join us
as well. So we got we got a lot to
get to. I mean a lot. I do feel like
this is a perfect time for a reset in regards
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to something we say and use on the show. So
you understand kind of the context of this discussion. First
of all, I know, we don't talk a ton about
baseball anymore on National Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
We I was, I was.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Telling the guys before the show, I'm kind of proud
of us because we cover all the sports, you know,
we try and cover all what matters. Whereas I think
that most sports radio shows have evolved into kind of
the marching orders of the past, which is like, look,
pro football is all anybody cares about, seemingly embedding the
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numbers are scene for every Pro football game, and I'm
not trying to diminish like Tonight's Thursday Night Football, it's
a big game. Niners got to start to win right,
and the Seahawks Niners are always seemingly always a close game.
When the Seahawks were good and the Niners were not,
it was closed. When the Niners were great and the
Seahawks are not, it was like, that's a good football game.
We'll talk about. But there's something unique about baseball. Whether
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it's because one hundred and six to two games, whether
it's the CNI ground ball, whether it's kind of the
use of all this all these stats and analytical data,
whatever it is. Okay, baseball is it's special. It's it's
absolutely special. But baseball's in that so many times we
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can't explain what happens, right, because you think we have
all these stats, all this data. This guy hits this
against lefties, this against right he's you know, with this
sort of account and blah blah blah blah blah, like
the compilation of data. And it's not from a short
small sample size. Playoffs are small sample size, right, And
people are talking about Aaron Judge and what's he doing
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or whatever. Obviously, you know, Jason Stewart wants to take
credit for Mookie bets because he thinks he motivated Mooki
Betsy by trashy Mookie Bets as a choker. Before Mooki
Bets goes out and hits a it's a two run
home run to give him a breathing room to start
the game. But that's beside the point. I use an
expression called that's baseball, and I think that's baseball you
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can use in life anytime something can't be explained because
history data, you know, all of this research tells us
one thing and the opposite happens. For example, Vanderbilt just
doesn't beat Alabama. They dominated Alabama right after Nick Saban
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on National TV said Hey, the only place that's easy
to play in the SEC is Vanderbilt.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
And they go and lose to Vanderbilt.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
And it wasn't like their starting quarterback got hurt, like
nothing happened, like they had Ryan Williams. They made some
good plays, but Vanderbilt just dominated time possession and won
the game.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
That's baseball.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
That's baseball, And I thought last night last night, you
guys can tell me if I'm wrong. The Dodgers are
out of starting arms now. Granted, the strength of this
team now is in the bullpen. But they go to
a bullpen day, they start turnstyling through pitchers, each one
seemingly better and more control than the next. And the hitters,
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many of whom the elite ones had struggled, and they
get off to a hot start, and what seemed like
a funeral it should have been a funeral for the Dodgers,
and the Padres fans were ready to party, ready to
burn them in effigy.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
End up taking a big l.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Now goes back to Chevez Ravine and we got ourselves
a winner, go home game.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Last night, in so many ways, was baseball.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
When you can't explain the inexplicable in the sport, people
just go out, Hey.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
That's baseball, that's baseball.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
And I gotta tell you last night, on so many levels,
Jason Stewart.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
That dies baseball. Yes I'm wrong, Yes I'm wrong. I
don't think anyone known you're you're right. I don't think
anyone would deny that the Padres had all the momentum,
all the emotional momentum going into last night's game. The Dodgers,
other than a grand slam from Hernandez, had not hit
for two games. The Dodgers had Freddie Freeman as a
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late scratch. Their third place hitter was a late scratch
the daughters.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
I just sit there, Okay.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Freddie Freeman is the unquestioned I think he's kind of
regal in his leadership. Right, he's first base, he's a
stud in the field. He's just like Freddy Freeman is
the picture of like solid, right solid. I mean he
is the mister dependable. He's been playing through injury. Now
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even Freddy can't go. You're like, oh boy, we don't
have Freddy. And they go out and whoop their butts.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Sorry, go ahead with eight relievers. Eight relievers pitch a
shutout in an eight to nothing game. Mookie Bets hits
a home run. Mookie Betts gets another base hit, Will
Smith finally got a hit. Like you just didn't see
any of that coming. And to me, and this was
your concept. You know, we're all about giving credit on
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the show. This was a Doug Gottlieb concept. That's baseball,
like sums this game up. Because I was convinced that
we were not coming back to Los Angeles and we are.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
We absolutely are. Man, was that fun?
Speaker 1 (07:08):
And again I'm not People ask me all the time, like,
well you Dodgers or Padres, Like I don't really like
the Padres act but I can't sit here and lie
to you and tell you like I'm a true blue
Dodger fan. I like going to Dodger games. I love
Chavez Ravine, like Petco as well. But I've been an
Angel guy, which is, by the way, squarely in the
middle between Dodger Stadium and Petco. So I don't really
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have a bone to pick. I do think there's an
interesting dichotomy between the two teams, and usually what you
have is this within a team. And Freddie, by the way,
was this guy when he was in Atlanta. Right, many
of the younger players, and even many of the Latin players,
Dominican players, players South America, Central America, they play with
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a lot more flash, a lot more panache, and a
lot more of kind of in your face. Those are
the pitchers that had the flamboyant strike out when they're
on the mound and the bat flips when the bat
flips when they hit home runs, as well as a
little bit more style when they're in the field.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Right, this is it. And if you want to tell.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Me that I'm making something up, then you're exposing yourself
as not understanding the culture of baseball. Whereas the older
players and again some of it is the American born players,
but the older players of baseball always talk about playing
the right way, not pimping home runs. You can celebrate,
but there's this difference team celebrating and showing showing somebody up.
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There's a fine line there, right, those are the unwritten
rules of baseball, et cetera. Well, the padres. Usually this
happens within a team, and the successful teams find ways
for everybody to succeed. And usually those teams end up
acting and playing quote unquote the right way once they
get to the playoffs because they have a proper order.
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The veterans keep the keep the young guys from acting
out of place.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
This is the difference between the two teams.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Right, shoe a Otani was ticked rightfully, so because the
third base umpire was trying to get out of the
way of a deflected ball. It hits off of the
third base umpire and that's why he gets pegged at
home right. But while he yells at the umpire once
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he got to the dugout. The difference between show hey
and for example, a padre is you'd think a padre
would do that while he's still on the field. And
though they kicked the hell out of the Padres and
Mookie hit a home run.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Did he pimp the home run when he hit it?
Speaker 1 (09:40):
So you almost have kind of the culture war as
well as the you know, the war of the the
the the Dodgers who have dominated the vision, but the Padres,
who right now, based upon health of pitching staff, appear
to be the better team. You have two things going
at once. And oh yeah, by the way, I thought
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you nailed it. The emotional momentum, whether you think baseball
has momentum or not, I'd like, again, I don't know
what the stats tell you, but it did feel a
lot like what Daniel Jeremiah, who I know is an
NFL analyst but is a Padre fan and he joined
us yesterday. It did feel like what he said is true,
and that the Dodgers, deep down inside know Padres are
better currently. And yet it wasn't close. It was domination,
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and it was the Dodgers forcing a game five. Do
you know why, Sam?
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Do you know why?
Speaker 3 (10:31):
That's baseball?
Speaker 2 (10:32):
That's right, that's baseball.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
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Speaker 2 (10:53):
Maybe maybe a little bit less in the meantime.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
You know, if you look on social media, they call
it Throwback Thursday, but we like to say, don't call
it a throwback.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Don't call it a throwback th back Thursday.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
What year we thrown it back to?
Speaker 3 (11:14):
There, Jason, We're going to take the time machine back
to twoenty twelve. Think about what you were doing in
twenty twelve. Now, we have a big Seahawks fan on
the show here in Dan Byer, so he could fact
check me at every step here. But I want to
take it specifically back to a December game in twenty
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twelve where a rookie quarterback played the eventual division champion
San Francisco forty nine Ers. Russell Wilson in his rookie year,
played the forty nine Ers coach by John Harbaugh, quarterback
by Colin Kaepernickbaugh. That's what I met, That's what Dan's
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here for. You need to fact check all this stuff.
I get a little lose with the details. I'm overall entertaining,
but I'm not good on the details. Hold out, hold on, yep,
thank you, thank you, Dan. So, of course Pete Carroll
was a head coach. I think the Seahawks would go
on to dominate the NFL for the next couple of years.
But this was kind of their first step, right because
they had brought in who Matt Flynn from the Packers
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to be their quarterback. They draft Russell Wilson in the
third round. Russell Wilson takes the job in training camp
and the rest is history. December twelfth or December twenty third,
twenty twelve a forty two to thirteen result. The Seahawks
beat the forty nine Ers in that game. Russell Wilson starred.
Of course, Colin Kaepernick was held to check, was checked
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by the defense. Who was the Marshawn Lynch was the
guy running the ball. Robert Turbin had a good game, Dan,
Do you remember anything specifically from that game or that
year that you want to share?
Speaker 5 (13:02):
A lot from that year was they did really turn
it on at the end of the season, and they
had a game, actually, they played the Bills in Toronto
and destroyed Buffalo in that contest, and it was part
of a string of games where they really turned it
on late in the season. And honestly, the season is
actually really important for Seahawks fans because while at the
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time you thought it was the start of something, when
you look back, that was a year that you could
have won that you could have won it all. Like
you think, like, we're going to have this long run.
And guess what they did. The next year they won
the Super Bowl, and then the year after that they
ended up losing in the Super Bowl. But that year prior,
at the time you're going through it, you're like, wow,
the future is bright, but as it's going on, you
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don't realize and how valuable that opportunity is. And now
looking back, when the Seahawks lost to the Falcons and
the playoffs about a month later after that, the forty
nine ers actually admitted there was a bit of a
sigh of relief. Had nothing to do with the Seahawks
in the NFC Championship game. So a huge, huge game,
part of a season turnaround for the Seahawks.
Speaker 6 (14:07):
That year shouldn't ay turnaround.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
They were building, but they really took off in that
second part of that year.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Hey Doug. You know who played in that game on
the twenty third of December that a very few of
us remember. You know who was a receiver for the
forty nine ers in that game, eventual Hall of Famer
Randy Moss. He was on the forty nine ers.
Speaker 5 (14:28):
Yeah, yep, he was on that forty nine ers team
eventually went to the Super Bowl and he was on
that team.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Twenty twelve, that was San Francisco Giants swept the Detroit
Tigers in the World Series, right, Pablo Sondoval Kung Fu Panda.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Didn't he win the MVP? That was twenty twelve, isn't it.
Speaker 6 (14:53):
Giants did win in twenty twelve.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Yes, yeah, that was the.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Kung Fu Panda year.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
He had a precipitous to cl line, sure, I mean
like a massive, massive decline. He went from World Series
MVP and then they wanted again in twenty fourteen and
then completely fell off the map after that.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
You want to know what it stands out to me
in twenty twelve, jumping back to football, It's not even
what happened on the field, it's what happened off the field.
And it was Peyton Manning and the Colt's decision to
not bring him back following the next surgery, and it
was in that draft where the Seahawks took Russell Wilson,
but it was also at the top of the draft
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because the Colts were so bad without Manning because of
the next surgery, they ended up taking Andrew Luck And
I think that in that conversation of at the time
no brainer, Actually it's no brainer. Andrew Lucky thought was
going to be an NFL top caliber NFL quarterback for
fifteen years. There was no guarantee that Peyton would be
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able to come back and return from this type of
surgery and have the success that he ended up having.
There's no reason to think that that was possible. And again,
as I've said many times on the show, it is
amazing to see the mileage that the Broncos get out
of Peyton Manning stint with that team as opposed to
the Colts, Like there's just the Broncos are squeezing that
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orange like crazy and getting so much for that four
year window. And it was that off season that ended
up setting up the franchises going in two different directions.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
And didn't Peyton Manning wasn't he told by several doctors
that he could be paralyzed for life if he took
the wrong hit after that surgery.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
I don't know if that was the case with him.
I don't remember that being the case. I truly don't.
Speaker 6 (16:50):
I did.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
There definitely was some nerve damage and some there's some
feeling issues there, but I don't think it was that.
It feels like that was more of the TV Hollywood
Hollywood special more than what really happened.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
But yeah, so.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
It's the biggest it's the biggest hindsight in twenty twenty
that I look back at to say, would you would
you have it back? Because at the time, I don't
think it's as difficult as a decision as it was.
I know Jim Mersey is an emotional guy, was in tears.
I don't Manning was a part of that. They tried
to honor Peyton as much as they could, but I
don't think he really loved it because they were choosing
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someone else over him.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Yeah, and hey, here's one thing that I'm not trying
to be not I I want to go back to.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
What you said about Russell Wilson.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
What people forget is they got the big free agent
signing at quarterback that year in Seattle, right, that was
the Matt Flynn year.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
And remember Matt Flynn.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
His last game with the Packers, he got to start
instead of Aaron Rodgers and he threw I think six
touchdown passes, I want to say against the Detroit Lions.
So and then his head, his his offensive coordinator went
to the Dolphins, and it was supposedly Dolphins and Seahawks,
and Seahawks signed him. And my thing was like, if
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the if he doesn't go, if he doesn't go with
Joe what was his name, Joe Philbin, Right, if he
didn't go with Joe Philbin to the Dolphins, Joe Filbin
knew everything to get him, ed man, Joe Philbin knew
he wasn't that good, and sure enough, Russell Wilson beat
him out. Like I don't think Seattle's plan was to
start Russell Wilson.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
No, and then they gave Flynn that contract. It wasn't
like sixty million dollars deck contract, but it was significant
enough to make him go there and.
Speaker 6 (18:38):
Think that he was expected to be the starter.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Yep, exactly, he was expected to be the starter.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
And he never did anything. No, he wasn't ever a
starter again, was he in?
Speaker 2 (18:47):
He came back.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
I think he started one game for the for the
Packers when Aaron Rodgers got hurt one year and when
he broke his collar bone like twice in a year,
I think he came back and played for the pack
in one of those games.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
So you're bringing up Joe Filben reminds me. So wasn't
that the year that the Dolphins were the hard knocks
and Ryan Tannehill was the focus there?
Speaker 2 (19:11):
That was? Yeah? That next year, yes, that next year. Yes.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
That was also the year that Alabama played LSU a
second time. LSU had beaten them like nine to six,
I want to say, and then LSU lost to Alabama
in the National Championship Game in New Orleans in the
Superdome like twenty one nothing.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
I think it was twenty two to nothing, twenty one.
Speaker 6 (19:39):
That was the game.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
The score.
Speaker 5 (19:41):
Okay, that was the twenty eleven season, but the game
was twelve in twenty twelve.
Speaker 6 (19:45):
Yes, oh that was it.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Remember there was a game and there was like, look,
I was a big twelve fan at the time. And
Andrew Luck remember played against Oklahoma State and Oklahoma State
had lost on a miss field goal to Iowa State.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Again, this is twenty eleven.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
I understand, so oaklhomat they thought they should qualify because
Alabama had lost the game, and I think they lost
that home to LSU nine to six. Alabama got a
rematch in the National Championship game and shut out LSU.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
The biggest story in college football in twenty twelve was
Johnny Manzel. That's when Johnny football was BORNDB date of
birth twenty twelve.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Also, for people forget, they still lost to Alabama. I
think they lost what Florida at home and Albama to Alabama.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
That's where he'd Alabama. Yeah, they were where he made Yes,
that's where he made his That's where he made his name.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
And that so Alabama didn't play LSU in the regular season.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
We're talking about Johnny Manzel in Texas A and.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
M right, That's who I'm talking about. Yes, Yes, they
won twenty nine to twenty four. The focus on twelve
in twenty twelve, Yes, Doug, as much as you want
to hold on to twenty eleven, we're gonna move back
to twenty twelve.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Sorry about that. That's hey, But the championship was in
twenty twelve.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
Championship game from the twenty eleven season was played in
twenty twelve.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
It feels like we keep doing this, We keep doing
the last week it was twenty two, but.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
That actually is twenty twelve. I'm actually doing it right.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
Well, yeah, but Andrew Luck never played a college game
in twenty twelve, Johnny, they played constable.
Speaker 6 (21:24):
Well, okay, well that that.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
One game they lost in a miss field goal.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
Mantiiteo is dany anddefeated. In twenty twelve.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
That was a year of the scandal.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Yeah, this is the last year, my last year at ESPN,
And I remember people were giving me grief because I
was making fun of Lineae Kakua, telling Renee Kakua jokes
all the time. And look, you can tell jokes about
somebody that doesn't actually exist.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Yes, it was very funny.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Yes, it was really funny. Like, no, no, no, you're being offensive.
No I'm not.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
She doesn't exist. You can't offend somebody who doesn't exist.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Well, you and I were on kind of the same track. Remember,
So that was the final year that the Jim Rome
Show was up Premiere Radio Networks. That was your final
year a DESPN. In January, the Jim Rome Show would
start on CBS Sports Radio as the lead in for
the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
This is correct, and Jim and I shared a studio
in at the Man Brother Studio in Westminster, California. As
he moved as he moved to TV show to CBS
Sports Network and I had to lead off.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
In twenty twelve, Jeremy Lynn took over the Sports World.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
That was twenty twelve.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
According to my sources, Lynn Sanity, Lynn Sandy, Wow, we.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Should have had holiday on about that. We had Matt
Holiday on yesterday in the podcast. So here's what happened
in twenty twelve. What time was that January? Was that February?
I think it was February. I think it was February
because it was right before the All Star break, and I
remember after the All Star Break it was like it
never even happened, So.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Maybe it was late January. He went into the garden.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
He was in the Garden against the Lakers and Derek
Fisher and just destroyed Derrek Fisher destroyed him. So they
go to Miami to play the Heat, and the Heat
was the best team that year, and like the Heat
were ready for him, And I remember Matt was with
I think Matt Carpenter and they were training camp in
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where they uh, I forget wh where they do training camp.
And he's like, hey, can you help me get tickets?
And I so I called a bunch of people. I
think we ended up getting them two that were like
three rows up. And he said that Floyd mayther Weather
walked in. He said he must have had sixteen front
Road tickets and they showed up late and and you know,
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caused the complete ruckus. But it was one of the
it was the end of insanity was when kind of
like Kobe and Pippin against Tony Kuk coach, they were like, yeah,
we're gonna make a point here. That's what the heat
did to Jeremy Lynn and he was never the same.
Speaker 7 (23:53):
And you know, Lisanity has that term has kind of
been repurposed in New York for whom it's.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
In a different sport.
Speaker 7 (24:03):
It was no idea, Go ahead, Francisco Lindor when Yeah,
the people I've heard they use lynd sanity for.
Speaker 6 (24:11):
A lot doing in New York. Is you are big
Apple Sam.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
I forgot, I forgot we're talking a big Apple Sam.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Yeah, it's me New York all the time.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
You know, and we know this big Apple Sam's you
know this.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Lin Sanity, it's back.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
Sam's got the entire New York subway system on his
back tattoos.
Speaker 6 (24:31):
It's amazing.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Right, you need to look out somewhere and I.
Speaker 8 (24:35):
Take they Then you get off. You get off at st.
You get off at Charles.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
That's a lot.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
And then you and then you go and you take
the Express.
Speaker 6 (24:42):
That's a wind takes Express to.
Speaker 8 (24:43):
Grand Central and then you go to then you go
cross down. Okay, you cross down to make sure you
get the you get the Penn station. They go cross
down the Grand Central, that the Grand Center. Then you
take the Metro north out out the West Point.
Speaker 9 (24:55):
We know this.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
You know this.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
I've got sixty seconds on golf, unless anybody wants to
talk about about basketball.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
First about Sam, did you have anything?
Speaker 7 (25:04):
Well, you know, I always prepare my this year in
history Iowa Hawkeye football.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Uh, it wasn't a great year. It was it was good, Dan,
you could do your golf. Let me just give one sentence.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
One sentence, Nope, we're good.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
One is why it wasn't a great year that you
was last losing record four and eight terrible year. Okay,
Dan tayl you're good.
Speaker 6 (25:27):
Final four that year.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
That's when Kansas, Kentucky and the championship.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
Yah, Ohio State made it Ohio State. If we were
doing twenty eleven, that would have been maybe where I've gone.
But Ohio State made it to the final four, and
what could have been in twenty eleven they somewhat eventually
by getting into the final four, but blew the game
in the national sem.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Golf, Dan, you're kind of doing a Sam watching.
Speaker 5 (25:47):
I ended up winning his first Masters in twent There
you go. It's not the biggest, it's it's not the
thing that stands out to me when you watch golf,
and you'll usually on a final round, whatever may sure
it is, they'll say, I used to go to the
course and when I was a kid, I would, you know,
pretend this was the putt to win the insert major
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that you're playing in. Usually not the PGA Championship, but Masters,
US Open or Open Championship. Well, really stands out to
me in twenty twelve was what happened at the Open
Championship where Adam Scott bogied his final four holes, allowing
Ernie Els to back door a clart jug the second
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of ELS's career. But what I do think that it did.
I think that it set Adam Scott up for redemption
the next year when he actually won the Masters in
twenty thirteen in a playoff. It's the ultimate what if
you think you can have both? But I don't think
he can. I think Adam Scott needed to lose that
major so he could go back and then win the
Masters that year.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
So we need to fill the pain before he tastes yampagne.
By the way, absolutely, okay, Ernie Els. Are there guys
with smoother swings maybe, but that's a smooth swing. Yes,
Adam Scott, like Samson, I don't go that way, but
I would just say, like, that's good looking man.
Speaker 6 (27:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (27:11):
I think a lot of people would trade spots with
Adam Scott if they could.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
Yeah, ultimate gentleman. Yeah, golf game to match. Just a
great guy everything about him.
Speaker 9 (27:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (27:22):
I don't like him, but I had heartbreaking twenty twelve
at Royal Lithem and Saint Anne's.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
I know that's I know. This is a part of
this that I love to do. I don't think it's
popular among the crew here, but there was one significant
thing that happened in music. I want to lower the
cool jay and I just want to play this for
the listeners because I think we could all go back
to this time in place twenty twelve. This song took
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over the world.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Sigh.
Speaker 6 (28:00):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
This song is this song is still a banger.
Speaker 6 (28:05):
All those TikTok videos of him jumping on stage.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Oh man, he's amazing on stage right.
Speaker 9 (28:10):
Wait?
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Also, hold on, hold, on, hold on hold.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
That was an.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Olympic year, wasn't it. Yes, wasn't that Call Me Maybe
here as well?
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Yes, same year. Yeah, call Me.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Which was bigger? Gugnam style or call Me Maybe?
Speaker 6 (28:22):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (28:23):
I think internationally gang style, I didn't.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Call Me Maybe was bigger Internationally.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
I think call Me Maybe is trash.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Well, I mean this song is that good.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
This song is a banger, I think still. So to
bring it full circle, yeah, call Me Maybe was because
all everyone did their own videos. That was in the
early days of like, you know, kind of like TikTok videos. Yep,
and the Dolphins cheerleaders did call Me Maybe. That was viral.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
So it goes back to the Joe Philbin Dolphins. I
love the way we're doing this and then member of
the swimming team, the American swimming team did call me
maybe that that may have been the most viral. But
you're right, that was a humongous song that year. But
I think Gundam style was the unicorn. I think it
took over everywhere.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
And of course during the London Games they were calling
it lon sanity at that time.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
That was very good.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
That's so good the move. Can I just prove something
real quick? Can I just prove some real quick?
Speaker 1 (29:29):
I know that in the moment, like this summer, we
think like Olympics, man, that stuff carries on forever, man, whatever.
But what's interesting is we all know these things about
twenty twelve in traditional sports. What can you name about
the twenty twelve London Games other than call me maybe
all the Olympians were doing they call me maybe thing.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
I think Michael Fels was doing some cool things.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Yeah, he was awesome.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Yeah that's about it though, right sure my point. Let's
get to Dan Byer and get a quick update and
everything else going on.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Dan.
Speaker 5 (30:00):
No one mentioned the heats first NBA title insanity over.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Doug referred to it.
Speaker 6 (30:05):
Doug referred to it, Okay, briefly, all right.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
Just making sure be sure to catch the live edition
of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern
noon Pacific.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
It's Doug Gotlep Show. It's Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
I hope you're having a great, great day here on
a don't call it a throwback Thursday on the Doug
Gottlieb Show, Fox Forge Radio.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Let's get to them Byron play game.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Hey manny B, what's the game today? Doug?
Speaker 6 (30:41):
The game today is.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
I feel a.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Draft that actually sounds like what it's going to sound
feel like. In January, at my current location.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
On the heels of the Robert Sallah dismissal with the Jets,
I want to talk about the most famous popular firings dismissals.
This could be voluntary or involuntary. Salas was involuntary, but
the most famous dismissals firings leaving of jobs that we
can remember in sports. Sam, you have the first pick.
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Jason is second, Douglast third, I am fourth, and then
if we have time, we will snake it back in return.
Speaker 7 (31:21):
All right, Well, I'm gonna thank Dan Bayer for this
inspo right here. I'll take Urban Meyer being fired from Jacksonville,
all the success he's had in his career at the
college level, finally makes the jump to the NFL high expectations.
That was a did he have Trevor Lawrence there is it?
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (31:38):
Yes, as a rookie, Yes, both were rookie player and coach.
And then and then the wheels fell off, And wasn't
there like allegations of Urban kicking his kicker right, yes, yeah,
among many you guys take it away there money.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
For the bye week or leaving the team after a
Thursday night game, That's what it was, and going to
like hecktall Ohio his bar right didn't take the flight back?
Speaker 7 (32:00):
Yeah, and then he got caught in a photo and
a kind of a compromising little little dancy dude.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Yes, So, Dan, thank you for that inspiration on that one.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
You're welcomes a good pick. Jason's up at number two.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Thanks Dan. I'll take it from here. Billy Martin, Billy
Martin times to get fired, Well, the first one is
the one I'm going to focus on, and the next
two times that he got hired makes this story even funnier.
So in nineteen seventy seventy eight, the Yankees were the
best team in the world. Reggie Jackson was the most
popular athlete in the world. They fired I guess Billy
(32:40):
Martin either quit or he fired Billy Martin after he
got word the Steinbrenner was going to trade him to
the White Sox for Bob Lemon. And then so Martin leaves,
and on the way out the door, he tells the
New York Post, Reggie Jackson and George Steinbrenner deserve each other.
He's a born liar, the others a convicted felon. Steinbrenner
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went on to hire him two more times over the
next five years.
Speaker 6 (33:11):
Uh so great.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
I'm a Lane Kiffin was once the coach of the
Oakland us Ratus, and he didn't like the personnel decisions
of Al Davis. He didn't think they should draft JaMarcus Russell.
He was right, and four games in, not only was
he fired, but Al Davis called a press conference, had
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an overhead projector you guys remember those yes, and detailed
all the things he didn't like about him, and he said,
Lane Kiffin's a liar that I just.
Speaker 6 (33:47):
Just couldn't go on much longer.
Speaker 9 (33:49):
With the what I would call propaganda the Lion that
had been going on for weeks and months and a
year and time, and.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
You were thinking, like, there's no way this guy will
ever work again, And then he did at Tennessee right
like almost right away. That was that was an all
time There's a lot of Raiders firings.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
That was to me the most memorable.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Lane Kivin's been fired a lot.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
I mean, that was my next pick. Give me a second, hush, you.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Could fill this entire list with Lake Kiffin. So in
that same press conference, Al Davis almost never spoke to
the media, so that was a that was an amazing
moment in that press conference, I think a couple of
sentences later, he said this because it was his decision
to draft de Marcus Russell, and I guess Lane Kiffin
notoriously didn't want to draft DeMarcus Or is that to
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Marcus Russell JaMarcus Russell, Yes, JaMarcus Russell, and Al Davis said,
JaMarcus Russell is a great player, get over it.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Because he throws the ball vertical, go boutical.
Speaker 5 (34:54):
My favorite part of the Lake Kivn I'm cable, by
the way tenure was when they attempted the seventy eight
yard field goal. Yes, Janikowski, Oh my goodness, he looked
so far away from the end zone view. All right,
I'll make mine quick. Remember when Bobby Petrino quit on
the Falcons to take the Arkansas job.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
You have to note in everybody's box, just.
Speaker 6 (35:17):
Like see you later.
Speaker 5 (35:19):
And just as personal Brewers had a tough decision to
make in eight, they were collapsing going down the stretch,
they fired Ned Yost and put in Dale Swain, saved
their season and ended their twenty six year playoff route.
Speaker 6 (35:32):
So I'm going to go with that at number five.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Chase too, is that you or me?
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Doug's up lane Kefvin getting kiffined on the runway after
losing to Arizona State.
Speaker 6 (35:42):
Double Kiffin.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
Doug just stole mine. So I'm going to go ahead
and mention Bobby Petrino getting fired after all the motorcycle accents.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
The motorcycle was amazing Louisville, was it, No, it's Arkansas,
It's Arkansas. He got a new motorcycle accident. They did
a press commerce with the neck break, sawn, no road rash,
and like nobody asked like, hey, why were you way
out in the middle of nowhere, and reports of a
woman with you who he'd hired as like a recruiting
coordinator who he was stooping and she was like what
(36:13):
the strength coaches fiance all Timer and now or by
Petrina works currently.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Arkansas.
Speaker 6 (36:23):
Oh what's that's right? What's old is new?
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. I think
we can just do more firings. I just think we can.
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next hour, he'll talk about the New York Jets and
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as well. So we got we got a lot to
get to. I mean a lot. I do feel like
this is a perfect time for a reset in regards
(01:34):
to something we say and use on the show. So
you understand kind of the context of this discussion. First
of all, I know, we don't talk a ton about
baseball anymore on National Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
We I was, I was.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Telling the guys before the show, I'm kind of proud
of us because we cover all the sports, you know,
we try and cover all what matters. Whereas I think
that most sports radio shows have evolved into kind of
the marching orders of the past, which is like, look,
pro football is all anybody cares about, seemingly embedding the
(02:13):
numbers are scene for every Pro football game, and I'm
not trying to diminish like Tonight's Thursday Night Football, it's
a big game. Niners got to start to win right,
and the Seahawks Niners are always seemingly always a close game.
When the Seahawks were good and the Niners were not,
it was closed. When the Niners were great and the
Seahawks are not, it was like, that's a good football game.
We'll talk about. But there's something unique about baseball. Whether
(02:36):
it's because one hundred and six to two games, whether
it's the CNI ground ball, whether it's kind of the
use of all this all these stats and analytical data,
whatever it is. Okay, baseball is it's special. It's it's
absolutely special. But baseball's in that so many times we
(03:04):
can't explain what happens, right, because you think we have
all these stats, all this data. This guy hits this
against lefties, this against right he's you know, with this
sort of account and blah blah blah blah blah, like
the compilation of data. And it's not from a short
small sample size. Playoffs are small sample size, right, And
people are talking about Aaron Judge and what's he doing
(03:26):
or whatever. Obviously, you know, Jason Stewart wants to take
credit for Mookie bets because he thinks he motivated Mooki
Betsy by trashy Mookie Bets as a choker. Before Mooki
Bets goes out and hits a it's a two run
home run to give him a breathing room to start
the game. But that's beside the point. I use an
expression called that's baseball, and I think that's baseball you
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can use in life anytime something can't be explained because
history data, you know, all of this research tells us
one thing and the opposite happens. For example, Vanderbilt just
doesn't beat Alabama. They dominated Alabama right after Nick Saban
(04:10):
on National TV said Hey, the only place that's easy
to play in the SEC is Vanderbilt.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
And they go and lose to Vanderbilt.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
And it wasn't like their starting quarterback got hurt, like
nothing happened, like they had Ryan Williams. They made some
good plays, but Vanderbilt just dominated time possession and won
the game.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
That's baseball.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
That's baseball, And I thought last night last night, you
guys can tell me if I'm wrong. The Dodgers are
out of starting arms now. Granted, the strength of this
team now is in the bullpen. But they go to
a bullpen day, they start turnstyling through pitchers, each one
seemingly better and more control than the next. And the hitters,
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many of whom the elite ones had struggled, and they
get off to a hot start, and what seemed like
a funeral it should have been a funeral for the Dodgers,
and the Padres fans were ready to party, ready to
burn them in effigy.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
End up taking a big l.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Now goes back to Chevez Ravine and we got ourselves
a winner, go home game.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Last night, in so many ways, was baseball.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
When you can't explain the inexplicable in the sport, people
just go out, Hey.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
That's baseball, that's baseball.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
And I gotta tell you last night, on so many levels,
Jason Stewart.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
That dies baseball. Yes I'm wrong, Yes I'm wrong. I
don't think anyone known you're you're right. I don't think
anyone would deny that the Padres had all the momentum,
all the emotional momentum going into last night's game. The Dodgers,
other than a grand slam from Hernandez, had not hit
for two games. The Dodgers had Freddie Freeman as a
(05:55):
late scratch. Their third place hitter was a late scratch
the daughters.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
I just sit there, Okay.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Freddie Freeman is the unquestioned I think he's kind of
regal in his leadership. Right, he's first base, he's a
stud in the field. He's just like Freddy Freeman is
the picture of like solid, right solid. I mean he
is the mister dependable. He's been playing through injury. Now
(06:23):
even Freddy can't go. You're like, oh boy, we don't
have Freddy. And they go out and whoop their butts.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Sorry, go ahead with eight relievers. Eight relievers pitch a
shutout in an eight to nothing game. Mookie Bets hits
a home run. Mookie Betts gets another base hit, Will
Smith finally got a hit. Like you just didn't see
any of that coming. And to me, and this was
your concept. You know, we're all about giving credit on
(06:50):
the show. This was a Doug Gottlieb concept. That's baseball,
like sums this game up. Because I was convinced that
we were not coming back to Los Angeles and we are.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
We absolutely are. Man, was that fun?
Speaker 1 (07:08):
And again I'm not People ask me all the time, like,
well you Dodgers or Padres, Like I don't really like
the Padres act but I can't sit here and lie
to you and tell you like I'm a true blue
Dodger fan. I like going to Dodger games. I love
Chavez Ravine, like Petco as well. But I've been an
Angel guy, which is, by the way, squarely in the
middle between Dodger Stadium and Petco. So I don't really
(07:30):
have a bone to pick. I do think there's an
interesting dichotomy between the two teams, and usually what you
have is this within a team. And Freddie, by the way,
was this guy when he was in Atlanta. Right, many
of the younger players, and even many of the Latin players,
Dominican players, players South America, Central America, they play with
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a lot more flash, a lot more panache, and a
lot more of kind of in your face. Those are
the pitchers that had the flamboyant strike out when they're
on the mound and the bat flips when the bat
flips when they hit home runs, as well as a
little bit more style when they're in the field.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Right, this is it. And if you want to tell.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Me that I'm making something up, then you're exposing yourself
as not understanding the culture of baseball. Whereas the older
players and again some of it is the American born players,
but the older players of baseball always talk about playing
the right way, not pimping home runs. You can celebrate,
but there's this difference team celebrating and showing showing somebody up.
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There's a fine line there, right, those are the unwritten
rules of baseball, et cetera. Well, the padres. Usually this
happens within a team, and the successful teams find ways
for everybody to succeed. And usually those teams end up
acting and playing quote unquote the right way once they
get to the playoffs because they have a proper order.
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The veterans keep the keep the young guys from acting
out of place.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
This is the difference between the two teams.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Right, shoe a Otani was ticked rightfully, so because the
third base umpire was trying to get out of the
way of a deflected ball. It hits off of the
third base umpire and that's why he gets pegged at
home right. But while he yells at the umpire once
(09:21):
he got to the dugout. The difference between show hey
and for example, a padre is you'd think a padre
would do that while he's still on the field. And
though they kicked the hell out of the Padres and
Mookie hit a home run.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Did he pimp the home run when he hit it?
Speaker 1 (09:40):
So you almost have kind of the culture war as
well as the you know, the war of the the
the the Dodgers who have dominated the vision, but the Padres,
who right now, based upon health of pitching staff, appear
to be the better team. You have two things going
at once. And oh yeah, by the way, I thought
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you nailed it. The emotional momentum, whether you think baseball
has momentum or not, I'd like, again, I don't know
what the stats tell you, but it did feel a
lot like what Daniel Jeremiah, who I know is an
NFL analyst but is a Padre fan and he joined
us yesterday. It did feel like what he said is true,
and that the Dodgers, deep down inside know Padres are
better currently. And yet it wasn't close. It was domination,
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and it was the Dodgers forcing a game five. Do
you know why, Sam?
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Do you know why?
Speaker 3 (10:31):
That's baseball?
Speaker 2 (10:32):
That's right, that's baseball.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on
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Speaker 1 (10:43):
App s Doug gott Leap Show Fox Sports Radio got
an update coming from our guy Dan Beyer about eleven
minutes away.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Maybe maybe a little bit less in the meantime.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
You know, if you look on social media, they call
it Throwback Thursday, but we like to say, don't call
it a throwback.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Don't call it a throwback th back Thursday.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
What year we thrown it back to?
Speaker 3 (11:14):
There, Jason, We're going to take the time machine back
to twoenty twelve. Think about what you were doing in
twenty twelve. Now, we have a big Seahawks fan on
the show here in Dan Byer, so he could fact
check me at every step here. But I want to
take it specifically back to a December game in twenty
(11:40):
twelve where a rookie quarterback played the eventual division champion
San Francisco forty nine Ers. Russell Wilson in his rookie year,
played the forty nine Ers coach by John Harbaugh, quarterback
by Colin Kaepernickbaugh. That's what I met, That's what Dan's
(12:02):
here for. You need to fact check all this stuff.
I get a little lose with the details. I'm overall entertaining,
but I'm not good on the details. Hold out, hold on, yep,
thank you, thank you, Dan. So, of course Pete Carroll
was a head coach. I think the Seahawks would go
on to dominate the NFL for the next couple of years.
But this was kind of their first step, right because
they had brought in who Matt Flynn from the Packers
(12:24):
to be their quarterback. They draft Russell Wilson in the
third round. Russell Wilson takes the job in training camp
and the rest is history. December twelfth or December twenty third,
twenty twelve a forty two to thirteen result. The Seahawks
beat the forty nine Ers in that game. Russell Wilson starred.
Of course, Colin Kaepernick was held to check, was checked
(12:48):
by the defense. Who was the Marshawn Lynch was the
guy running the ball. Robert Turbin had a good game, Dan,
Do you remember anything specifically from that game or that
year that you want to share?
Speaker 5 (13:02):
A lot from that year was they did really turn
it on at the end of the season, and they
had a game, actually, they played the Bills in Toronto
and destroyed Buffalo in that contest, and it was part
of a string of games where they really turned it
on late in the season. And honestly, the season is
actually really important for Seahawks fans because while at the
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time you thought it was the start of something, when
you look back, that was a year that you could
have won that you could have won it all. Like
you think, like, we're going to have this long run.
And guess what they did. The next year they won
the Super Bowl, and then the year after that they
ended up losing in the Super Bowl. But that year prior,
at the time you're going through it, you're like, wow,
the future is bright, but as it's going on, you
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don't realize and how valuable that opportunity is. And now
looking back, when the Seahawks lost to the Falcons and
the playoffs about a month later after that, the forty
nine ers actually admitted there was a bit of a
sigh of relief. Had nothing to do with the Seahawks
in the NFC Championship game. So a huge, huge game,
part of a season turnaround for the Seahawks.
Speaker 6 (14:07):
That year shouldn't ay turnaround.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
They were building, but they really took off in that
second part of that year.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Hey Doug. You know who played in that game on
the twenty third of December that a very few of
us remember. You know who was a receiver for the
forty nine ers in that game, eventual Hall of Famer
Randy Moss. He was on the forty nine ers.
Speaker 5 (14:28):
Yeah, yep, he was on that forty nine ers team
eventually went to the Super Bowl and he was on
that team.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Twenty twelve, that was San Francisco Giants swept the Detroit
Tigers in the World Series, right, Pablo Sondoval Kung Fu Panda.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Didn't he win the MVP? That was twenty twelve, isn't it.
Speaker 6 (14:53):
Giants did win in twenty twelve.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Yes, yeah, that was the.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Kung Fu Panda year.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
He had a precipitous to cl line, sure, I mean
like a massive, massive decline. He went from World Series
MVP and then they wanted again in twenty fourteen and
then completely fell off the map after that.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
You want to know what it stands out to me
in twenty twelve, jumping back to football, It's not even
what happened on the field, it's what happened off the field.
And it was Peyton Manning and the Colt's decision to
not bring him back following the next surgery, and it
was in that draft where the Seahawks took Russell Wilson,
but it was also at the top of the draft
(15:34):
because the Colts were so bad without Manning because of
the next surgery, they ended up taking Andrew Luck And
I think that in that conversation of at the time
no brainer, Actually it's no brainer. Andrew Lucky thought was
going to be an NFL top caliber NFL quarterback for
fifteen years. There was no guarantee that Peyton would be
(15:57):
able to come back and return from this type of
surgery and have the success that he ended up having.
There's no reason to think that that was possible. And again,
as I've said many times on the show, it is
amazing to see the mileage that the Broncos get out
of Peyton Manning stint with that team as opposed to
the Colts, Like there's just the Broncos are squeezing that
(16:18):
orange like crazy and getting so much for that four
year window. And it was that off season that ended
up setting up the franchises going in two different directions.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
And didn't Peyton Manning wasn't he told by several doctors
that he could be paralyzed for life if he took
the wrong hit after that surgery.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
I don't know if that was the case with him.
I don't remember that being the case. I truly don't.
Speaker 6 (16:50):
I did.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
There definitely was some nerve damage and some there's some
feeling issues there, but I don't think it was that.
It feels like that was more of the TV Hollywood
Hollywood special more than what really happened.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
But yeah, so.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
It's the biggest it's the biggest hindsight in twenty twenty
that I look back at to say, would you would
you have it back? Because at the time, I don't
think it's as difficult as a decision as it was.
I know Jim Mersey is an emotional guy, was in tears.
I don't Manning was a part of that. They tried
to honor Peyton as much as they could, but I
don't think he really loved it because they were choosing
(17:27):
someone else over him.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Yeah, and hey, here's one thing that I'm not trying
to be not I I want to go back to.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
What you said about Russell Wilson.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
What people forget is they got the big free agent
signing at quarterback that year in Seattle, right, that was
the Matt Flynn year.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
And remember Matt Flynn.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
His last game with the Packers, he got to start
instead of Aaron Rodgers and he threw I think six
touchdown passes, I want to say against the Detroit Lions.
So and then his head, his his offensive coordinator went
to the Dolphins, and it was supposedly Dolphins and Seahawks,
and Seahawks signed him. And my thing was like, if
(18:10):
the if he doesn't go, if he doesn't go with
Joe what was his name, Joe Philbin, Right, if he
didn't go with Joe Philbin to the Dolphins, Joe Filbin
knew everything to get him, ed man, Joe Philbin knew
he wasn't that good, and sure enough, Russell Wilson beat
him out. Like I don't think Seattle's plan was to
start Russell Wilson.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
No, and then they gave Flynn that contract. It wasn't
like sixty million dollars deck contract, but it was significant
enough to make him go there and.
Speaker 6 (18:38):
Think that he was expected to be the starter.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Yep, exactly, he was expected to be the starter.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
And he never did anything. No, he wasn't ever a
starter again, was he in?
Speaker 2 (18:47):
He came back.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
I think he started one game for the for the
Packers when Aaron Rodgers got hurt one year and when
he broke his collar bone like twice in a year,
I think he came back and played for the pack
in one of those games.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
So you're bringing up Joe Filben reminds me. So wasn't
that the year that the Dolphins were the hard knocks
and Ryan Tannehill was the focus there?
Speaker 2 (19:11):
That was? Yeah? That next year, yes, that next year. Yes.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
That was also the year that Alabama played LSU a
second time. LSU had beaten them like nine to six,
I want to say, and then LSU lost to Alabama
in the National Championship Game in New Orleans in the
Superdome like twenty one nothing.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
I think it was twenty two to nothing, twenty one.
Speaker 6 (19:39):
That was the game.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
The score.
Speaker 5 (19:41):
Okay, that was the twenty eleven season, but the game
was twelve in twenty twelve.
Speaker 6 (19:45):
Yes, oh that was it.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Remember there was a game and there was like, look,
I was a big twelve fan at the time. And
Andrew Luck remember played against Oklahoma State and Oklahoma State
had lost on a miss field goal to Iowa State.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Again, this is twenty eleven.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
I understand, so oaklhomat they thought they should qualify because
Alabama had lost the game, and I think they lost
that home to LSU nine to six. Alabama got a
rematch in the National Championship game and shut out LSU.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
The biggest story in college football in twenty twelve was
Johnny Manzel. That's when Johnny football was BORNDB date of
birth twenty twelve.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Also, for people forget, they still lost to Alabama. I
think they lost what Florida at home and Albama to Alabama.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
That's where he'd Alabama. Yeah, they were where he made Yes,
that's where he made his That's where he made his name.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
And that so Alabama didn't play LSU in the regular season.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
We're talking about Johnny Manzel in Texas A and.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
M right, That's who I'm talking about. Yes, Yes, they
won twenty nine to twenty four. The focus on twelve
in twenty twelve, Yes, Doug, as much as you want
to hold on to twenty eleven, we're gonna move back
to twenty twelve.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Sorry about that. That's hey, But the championship was in
twenty twelve.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
Championship game from the twenty eleven season was played in
twenty twelve.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
It feels like we keep doing this, We keep doing
the last week it was twenty two, but.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
That actually is twenty twelve. I'm actually doing it right.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
Well, yeah, but Andrew Luck never played a college game
in twenty twelve, Johnny, they played constable.
Speaker 6 (21:24):
Well, okay, well that that.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
One game they lost in a miss field goal.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
Mantiiteo is dany anddefeated. In twenty twelve.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
That was a year of the scandal.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Yeah, this is the last year, my last year at ESPN,
And I remember people were giving me grief because I
was making fun of Lineae Kakua, telling Renee Kakua jokes
all the time. And look, you can tell jokes about
somebody that doesn't actually exist.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Yes, it was very funny.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Yes, it was really funny. Like, no, no, no, you're being offensive.
No I'm not.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
She doesn't exist. You can't offend somebody who doesn't exist.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Well, you and I were on kind of the same track. Remember,
So that was the final year that the Jim Rome
Show was up Premiere Radio Networks. That was your final
year a DESPN. In January, the Jim Rome Show would
start on CBS Sports Radio as the lead in for
the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
This is correct, and Jim and I shared a studio
in at the Man Brother Studio in Westminster, California. As
he moved as he moved to TV show to CBS
Sports Network and I had to lead off.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
In twenty twelve, Jeremy Lynn took over the Sports World.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
That was twenty twelve.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
According to my sources, Lynn Sanity, Lynn Sandy, Wow, we.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Should have had holiday on about that. We had Matt
Holiday on yesterday in the podcast. So here's what happened
in twenty twelve. What time was that January? Was that February?
I think it was February. I think it was February
because it was right before the All Star break, and I
remember after the All Star Break it was like it
never even happened, So.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Maybe it was late January. He went into the garden.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
He was in the Garden against the Lakers and Derek
Fisher and just destroyed Derrek Fisher destroyed him. So they
go to Miami to play the Heat, and the Heat
was the best team that year, and like the Heat
were ready for him, And I remember Matt was with
I think Matt Carpenter and they were training camp in
(23:17):
where they uh, I forget wh where they do training camp.
And he's like, hey, can you help me get tickets?
And I so I called a bunch of people. I
think we ended up getting them two that were like
three rows up. And he said that Floyd mayther Weather
walked in. He said he must have had sixteen front
Road tickets and they showed up late and and you know,
(23:38):
caused the complete ruckus. But it was one of the
it was the end of insanity was when kind of
like Kobe and Pippin against Tony Kuk coach, they were like, yeah,
we're gonna make a point here. That's what the heat
did to Jeremy Lynn and he was never the same.
Speaker 7 (23:53):
And you know, Lisanity has that term has kind of
been repurposed in New York for whom it's.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
In a different sport.
Speaker 7 (24:03):
It was no idea, Go ahead, Francisco Lindor when Yeah,
the people I've heard they use lynd sanity for.
Speaker 6 (24:11):
A lot doing in New York. Is you are big
Apple Sam.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
I forgot, I forgot we're talking a big Apple Sam.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Yeah, it's me New York all the time.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
You know, and we know this big Apple Sam's you
know this.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Lin Sanity, it's back.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
Sam's got the entire New York subway system on his
back tattoos.
Speaker 6 (24:31):
It's amazing.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Right, you need to look out somewhere and I.
Speaker 8 (24:35):
Take they Then you get off. You get off at st.
You get off at Charles.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
That's a lot.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
And then you and then you go and you take
the Express.
Speaker 6 (24:42):
That's a wind takes Express to.
Speaker 8 (24:43):
Grand Central and then you go to then you go
cross down. Okay, you cross down to make sure you
get the you get the Penn station. They go cross
down the Grand Central, that the Grand Center. Then you
take the Metro north out out the West Point.
Speaker 9 (24:55):
We know this.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
You know this.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
I've got sixty seconds on golf, unless anybody wants to
talk about about basketball.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
First about Sam, did you have anything?
Speaker 7 (25:04):
Well, you know, I always prepare my this year in
history Iowa Hawkeye football.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Uh, it wasn't a great year. It was it was good, Dan,
you could do your golf. Let me just give one sentence.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
One sentence, Nope, we're good.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
One is why it wasn't a great year that you
was last losing record four and eight terrible year. Okay,
Dan tayl you're good.
Speaker 6 (25:27):
Final four that year.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
That's when Kansas, Kentucky and the championship.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
Yah, Ohio State made it Ohio State. If we were
doing twenty eleven, that would have been maybe where I've gone.
But Ohio State made it to the final four, and
what could have been in twenty eleven they somewhat eventually
by getting into the final four, but blew the game
in the national sem.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Golf, Dan, you're kind of doing a Sam watching.
Speaker 5 (25:47):
I ended up winning his first Masters in twent There
you go. It's not the biggest, it's it's not the
thing that stands out to me when you watch golf,
and you'll usually on a final round, whatever may sure
it is, they'll say, I used to go to the
course and when I was a kid, I would, you know,
pretend this was the putt to win the insert major
(26:07):
that you're playing in. Usually not the PGA Championship, but Masters,
US Open or Open Championship. Well, really stands out to
me in twenty twelve was what happened at the Open
Championship where Adam Scott bogied his final four holes, allowing
Ernie Els to back door a clart jug the second
(26:29):
of ELS's career. But what I do think that it did.
I think that it set Adam Scott up for redemption
the next year when he actually won the Masters in
twenty thirteen in a playoff. It's the ultimate what if
you think you can have both? But I don't think
he can. I think Adam Scott needed to lose that
major so he could go back and then win the
Masters that year.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
So we need to fill the pain before he tastes yampagne.
By the way, absolutely, okay, Ernie Els. Are there guys
with smoother swings maybe, but that's a smooth swing. Yes,
Adam Scott, like Samson, I don't go that way, but
I would just say, like, that's good looking man.
Speaker 6 (27:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (27:11):
I think a lot of people would trade spots with
Adam Scott if they could.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
Yeah, ultimate gentleman. Yeah, golf game to match. Just a
great guy everything about him.
Speaker 9 (27:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (27:22):
I don't like him, but I had heartbreaking twenty twelve
at Royal Lithem and Saint Anne's.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
I know that's I know. This is a part of
this that I love to do. I don't think it's
popular among the crew here, but there was one significant
thing that happened in music. I want to lower the
cool jay and I just want to play this for
the listeners because I think we could all go back
to this time in place twenty twelve. This song took
(27:51):
over the world.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Sigh.
Speaker 6 (28:00):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
This song is this song is still a banger.
Speaker 6 (28:05):
All those TikTok videos of him jumping on stage.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Oh man, he's amazing on stage right.
Speaker 9 (28:10):
Wait?
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Also, hold on, hold, on, hold on hold.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
That was an.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Olympic year, wasn't it. Yes, wasn't that Call Me Maybe
here as well?
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Yes, same year. Yeah, call Me.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Which was bigger? Gugnam style or call Me Maybe?
Speaker 6 (28:22):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (28:23):
I think internationally gang style, I didn't.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Call Me Maybe was bigger Internationally.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
I think call Me Maybe is trash.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Well, I mean this song is that good.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
This song is a banger, I think still. So to
bring it full circle, yeah, call Me Maybe was because
all everyone did their own videos. That was in the
early days of like, you know, kind of like TikTok videos. Yep,
and the Dolphins cheerleaders did call Me Maybe. That was viral.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
So it goes back to the Joe Philbin Dolphins. I
love the way we're doing this and then member of
the swimming team, the American swimming team did call me
maybe that that may have been the most viral. But
you're right, that was a humongous song that year. But
I think Gundam style was the unicorn. I think it
took over everywhere.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
And of course during the London Games they were calling
it lon sanity at that time.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
That was very good.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
That's so good the move. Can I just prove something
real quick? Can I just prove some real quick?
Speaker 1 (29:29):
I know that in the moment, like this summer, we
think like Olympics, man, that stuff carries on forever, man, whatever.
But what's interesting is we all know these things about
twenty twelve in traditional sports. What can you name about
the twenty twelve London Games other than call me maybe
all the Olympians were doing they call me maybe thing.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
I think Michael Fels was doing some cool things.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Yeah, he was awesome.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Yeah that's about it though, right sure my point. Let's
get to Dan Byer and get a quick update and
everything else going on.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Dan.
Speaker 5 (30:00):
No one mentioned the heats first NBA title insanity over.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Doug referred to it.
Speaker 6 (30:05):
Doug referred to it, Okay, briefly, all right.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
Just making sure be sure to catch the live edition
of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern
noon Pacific.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
It's Doug Gotlep Show. It's Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
I hope you're having a great, great day here on
a don't call it a throwback Thursday on the Doug
Gottlieb Show, Fox Forge Radio.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Let's get to them Byron play game.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Hey manny B, what's the game today? Doug?
Speaker 6 (30:41):
The game today is.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
I feel a.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Draft that actually sounds like what it's going to sound
feel like. In January, at my current location.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
On the heels of the Robert Sallah dismissal with the Jets,
I want to talk about the most famous popular firings dismissals.
This could be voluntary or involuntary. Salas was involuntary, but
the most famous dismissals firings leaving of jobs that we
can remember in sports. Sam, you have the first pick.
(31:15):
Jason is second, Douglast third, I am fourth, and then
if we have time, we will snake it back in return.
Speaker 7 (31:21):
All right, Well, I'm gonna thank Dan Bayer for this
inspo right here. I'll take Urban Meyer being fired from Jacksonville,
all the success he's had in his career at the
college level, finally makes the jump to the NFL high expectations.
That was a did he have Trevor Lawrence there is it?
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (31:38):
Yes, as a rookie, Yes, both were rookie player and coach.
And then and then the wheels fell off, And wasn't
there like allegations of Urban kicking his kicker right, yes, yeah,
among many you guys take it away there money.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
For the bye week or leaving the team after a
Thursday night game, That's what it was, and going to
like hecktall Ohio his bar right didn't take the flight back?
Speaker 7 (32:00):
Yeah, and then he got caught in a photo and
a kind of a compromising little little dancy dude.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Yes, So, Dan, thank you for that inspiration on that one.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
You're welcomes a good pick. Jason's up at number two.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Thanks Dan. I'll take it from here. Billy Martin, Billy
Martin times to get fired, Well, the first one is
the one I'm going to focus on, and the next
two times that he got hired makes this story even funnier.
So in nineteen seventy seventy eight, the Yankees were the
best team in the world. Reggie Jackson was the most
popular athlete in the world. They fired I guess Billy
(32:40):
Martin either quit or he fired Billy Martin after he
got word the Steinbrenner was going to trade him to
the White Sox for Bob Lemon. And then so Martin leaves,
and on the way out the door, he tells the
New York Post, Reggie Jackson and George Steinbrenner deserve each other.
He's a born liar, the others a convicted felon. Steinbrenner
(33:06):
went on to hire him two more times over the
next five years.
Speaker 6 (33:11):
Uh so great.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
I'm a Lane Kiffin was once the coach of the
Oakland us Ratus, and he didn't like the personnel decisions
of Al Davis. He didn't think they should draft JaMarcus Russell.
He was right, and four games in, not only was
he fired, but Al Davis called a press conference, had
(33:36):
an overhead projector you guys remember those yes, and detailed
all the things he didn't like about him, and he said,
Lane Kiffin's a liar that I just.
Speaker 6 (33:47):
Just couldn't go on much longer.
Speaker 9 (33:49):
With the what I would call propaganda the Lion that
had been going on for weeks and months and a
year and time, and.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
You were thinking, like, there's no way this guy will
ever work again, And then he did at Tennessee right
like almost right away. That was that was an all
time There's a lot of Raiders firings.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
That was to me the most memorable.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Lane Kivin's been fired a lot.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
I mean, that was my next pick. Give me a second, hush, you.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Could fill this entire list with Lake Kiffin. So in
that same press conference, Al Davis almost never spoke to
the media, so that was a that was an amazing
moment in that press conference, I think a couple of
sentences later, he said this because it was his decision
to draft de Marcus Russell, and I guess Lane Kiffin
notoriously didn't want to draft DeMarcus Or is that to
(34:40):
Marcus Russell JaMarcus Russell, Yes, JaMarcus Russell, and Al Davis said,
JaMarcus Russell is a great player, get over it.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Because he throws the ball vertical, go boutical.
Speaker 5 (34:54):
My favorite part of the Lake Kivn I'm cable, by
the way tenure was when they attempted the seventy eight
yard field goal. Yes, Janikowski, Oh my goodness, he looked
so far away from the end zone view. All right,
I'll make mine quick. Remember when Bobby Petrino quit on
the Falcons to take the Arkansas job.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
You have to note in everybody's box, just.
Speaker 6 (35:17):
Like see you later.
Speaker 5 (35:19):
And just as personal Brewers had a tough decision to
make in eight, they were collapsing going down the stretch,
they fired Ned Yost and put in Dale Swain, saved
their season and ended their twenty six year playoff route.
Speaker 6 (35:32):
So I'm going to go with that at number five.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Chase too, is that you or me?
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Doug's up lane Kefvin getting kiffined on the runway after
losing to Arizona State.
Speaker 6 (35:42):
Double Kiffin.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
Doug just stole mine. So I'm going to go ahead
and mention Bobby Petrino getting fired after all the motorcycle accents.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
The motorcycle was amazing Louisville, was it, No, it's Arkansas,
It's Arkansas. He got a new motorcycle accident. They did
a press commerce with the neck break, sawn, no road rash,
and like nobody asked like, hey, why were you way
out in the middle of nowhere, and reports of a
woman with you who he'd hired as like a recruiting
coordinator who he was stooping and she was like what
(36:13):
the strength coaches fiance all Timer and now or by
Petrina works currently.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Arkansas.
Speaker 6 (36:23):
Oh what's that's right? What's old is new?
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. I think
we can just do more firings. I just think we can.
Plus we'll talk jets next in The Doug Gottlieb Show,
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