March 26, 2025 • 37 mins
Doug weighs in on the signing of Russell Wilson by the New York Giants and talks about what they means for draft prospect Shedeur Sanders. Doug takes Lebron James to task for things that he chose to bring up in his interview with Pat McAfee earlier in the day. Doug reacts to Jimmy Butler's dud of a revenge game in Miami.
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of a slow time of the year has not been
slow because we had an NFL story we will start with,
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but we also have we also have other stories, including
including Lebron James going on with Pat McAfee and what's
the deal with Lebron James going on to Pat McAfee.
We'll play for you some of that sound and we'll
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try and get to the bottom of like, huh, it
kind of feels like potcorn ket a little bit. But
before we get to that. Let's get to this. Some
of the news that I woke up to was that
Russell Wilson has signed with the Giants, right signed with
the Giants. And it's interesting because I think there's a
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world there where you have a head coach who's seen
as a quarterback whisper, a definite need for energy and change,
and they had signed Jamis Winston, who's like the everyone's
favorite backup quarterback. That felt and looked like the Giants
are gonna draft Shadoor Sanders. I think it's a reasonable
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assumption to make, like, ooh, Giants need a quarterback. Giants
have a quarterback. Shdoor Sanders would love to be in
a big city and working with a you know, working
with a quarterback guru as a head coach. That one
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just makes sense. And then what did the Giants do?
They signed Russell Wilson. You did what? They signed Russell Wilson.
And this is not a me. I told you guys
at the time all season long that the Pittsburgh Steelers
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did not have next year's quarterback on the roster. Sam,
you keep track of all the sound on the show,
But did I actually say that, Yes, you said that
there you go. Thanks, Sam, I appreciate that. So we
told you that the Pittsburgh Steelers were the If you
have two quarterbacks, you don't have any right. Which is
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what which is true, And it's a really odd move
if you want to think about it, because, yeah, Russell
Wilson's achieved a lot during his NFL career, but this
is the how many straight years have we had where
Russell has been with a different team that has been like, yeah,
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we're good here. He wanted to go back to Pittsburgh,
they didn't want him back. He was in Denver and
first year his coach gets fired. Second year, his coach says, well,
we don't want you back. And he wouldn't have gotten
to Denver if Seattle wanted to have him back. So
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in reality, it's his fourth straight team that didn't win
and didn't want him back, and the Giants are like, yeah,
we'll take you, we'll sign you, And I guess he's
the starter. Although there's a world there where he competes
with Jamis Winston, who's you know, he's had. He hasn't
had the success of Russell Wilson, but he may have
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more left in the tank. Most importantly, most importantly, what
does it mean for this roster? Right? What does it
mean for the roster of the teams that are in
front in front of the New York Giants in terms
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of the upcoming NFL Draft, It has to mean to
me that the Raiders would be the team that are
going to sign him. The only problem is the Raiders
trader for Gino Smith. The Browns are the team that
he supposedly wants to avoid. But what are the actual options?
And then you look at these mock drafts, She's like,
wait a second, way, So what's what's Daniel Jeremiah's mock draft?
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How does it happen now? And yeah, that means do
do the Browns? Are the Browns kind of forced to
take Shador Sanders or is he forced to go there
because the Giants are at three? And yeah, they could
trade out of that third spot, or they go get
Travis Hunter. Cam Ward appears to destined to go number one.
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And then after that you got New England they think
they have their quarterback. You got Jacksonville they think they
have their quarterback. And then you have the Raiders who
just traded for a quarterback. You got the Jets where
maybe but they just gave a bunch of money to
a former top pick to be their starter Carolina number
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one overall pick. Is Schadore better New Orleans at nine?
I don't know. I just think the whole thing is
fascinating now and it may it may end up being
the Cleveland Browns are kind of forced to take shad
Door Sanders. Dan, what do you think in terms of
this move? Do the Giants know that the Browns are
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gonna draft shad Door Sanders or do you think they're
just turned off by Shador Sanders and they're gonna go
with a veteran in place and then go out and
draft somebody next year or maybe draft a guy late,
you know, in late rounds and development. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
I tried to.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
On the surface, it feels that the Giants have moved
away because of the signings that you mentioned of Winston
and Wilson. I tried to take a look deeper and
not as much on the Brown side, but more on
the Giant side of things. And I know that Joe
Shane didn't draft Daniel Jones, but I do feel that
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in a sense, if you're John Merraw, the Giants owner,
who I think will have a lot maybe more of
a say, considering how the Saquon Barkley thing, you know
turned out that we all saw last year, a say,
and who they're going to draft at this point, and
I don't know if reaching for a quarterback and I
do think that taking Shador Sanders at three is an
overall reach for the position. I don't know if they're
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going to do that, And so that's why I think
that they're moving away just from the simple fact of
Remember they took Daniel Jones sixth overall when they drafted him,
and at that point we were like, whoa, you know,
Daniel Jones goes sixth overall and John Merrow is still
co owner then and he's you know, co owner. Now,
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that's kind of my thinking of it, that they're gonna
stick with the veteran routes, not because of what the
Browns may do, but because I don't think they want
to settle for just I don't want to say mediocre players,
but maybe because should or Sanders.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
They don't want to reach for a need.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Yes, exactly, that's exactly what it is.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
I mean. And now it becomes really interesting, right do
the brown Are the Browns really gonna take him or
the Browns pass, you know, and then you get the
drama of how far is shud Or Sander's fallen when
we don't actually think he's fallen. It's just I don't know.
He thought it's the number two right quarterback in the
draft and quarterbacks seems to be a valuable guy. Why
hasn't he been taken yet? It's very interesting, very interesting,
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Jay stew you search for the opposite of BS. That's
one of the things you want to hear of your
on your tombstone. Right, help me cut through what is
the opposite of BS in in what happened with the
Giants signing Russell Wilson, who four straight teams And I
know that it's two years of Denver, but the reality is,
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you change coach Stafford, coach gets fired. You know, nobody
wanted him back. Four straight teams essentially told him no thanks.
They signed Russell Wilson.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Yeah, that hasn't that proved that Sean Payton was right.
I thought that Sean Payton at the time was a
little hard on Russell Wilson. I thought that he in
his mind had moved beyond the guy and wanted to
bring in his own guy. And he was unfair to
him a little bit, but I think he was just
right about him. Right. He's just not a very uh,
he's not a great NFL quarterback. And I think that
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there is something maybe what what Dan was referring to
is that I just think that the Giants know something
about what the Browns are going to do, and they're, uh,
they're just doing this for a one one year gap
and uh and and but they're going to draft Travis Hunter.
I guess sounds like a decent plant.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Yeah, like a gap year, a gap year, and then
next year they go and draft a quarterback or do
they draft one. I think that what most of these
guys want to do is they want to draft somebody
in the later rounds and develop him and then year two,
you know, somehow they work him in there and you know,
it's like a red shirt year for a guy that
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would be by guess because if you look at what
so many of these and part of it is the
rehabbed quarterback, the Sam Darnold of the world, Baker Mayfield
obviously previous to that, Geno Smith previous to that. That's
kind of become the thing in the NFL, Like if
you have a dude, get that dude, sign that dude,
figure it out. If you don't have a dude, maybe
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you go this route. And then once you go that route,
you develop somebody young. And if you get somebody young
and cheap like what the Niners had, well, by all means,
then you fill out your roster. We've talked about this
with all of our draft analysts aast couple of months,
and they've agreed this is a trend. The only question
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is with the Giants having two veteran former starting quarterbacks
and you know, like I said, Russell Wilson, it also
signifies that obviously Aaron Rodgers is not going to the
Giants anyway, that for Aaron Rodgers it's it's Steelers or
sit and wait. One would think with all of that happening,
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this is I don't even know if there's room for
a younger quarterback much the way there will be room
in Las Vegas in Seattle with some of these other teams.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Yes, yes, Dan, Yeah, I was just gonna say, just
you know, in the way that I look at it,
and the way to look at quarterbacks is well, if
Daniel Jeremiah coming up next hours, I don't think that
you can look at the guys just in this class
only I think the Titans are, and maybe the Titans
feel desperate, maybe they need to do that, but I
just don't think that's the way you do it, especially
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when we are moving being off of quarterbacks so quickly.
Maybe that's an excuse to draft the guy in that point,
but I just don't. I don't feel that that's the case.
And if you're taking this this class in last year's
class and combining them and cam Ward and Shador Sanders
are seven and eight or six seven in that eight
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quarterback ranking, I just don't know how you're necessarily ahead
at that point. And I'm the guy Doug that I
always felt like, well, if you're in the top five,
you gotta how often are you gonna be picking in
the top five? Maybe take your quarterback at that point.
And it's just to me, it's just changed a little bit.
Is I just I wouldn't want to overdraft the guy
fair enough?
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Yeah, because then you're then you're kind of stuck. Right
once you got a guy in that first round, you're stuck.
And if you're Joel Shane, you're like, well, if I
didn't get fired for the sake of on Barkley thing.
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Speaker 1 (12:38):
Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. So Lebron was on
with Pat McAfee, right, Uh, what's it called? The Lebron versation. Yeah,
so so funny. I uh, we'll talk about this in
the podcast a little bit. The revenge game idea, right, Oh,
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it's a revenge game and it's really really interesting. You
know that Michael Jordan would use any sort of slight
as motivation, but he would take it out in the
basketball floor on people. We can get into a discussion
over why Lebron had this conversation. It's fine, but the
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also the what was discussed is interesting. Here's Lebron who
sat down Pat McAfee. It's an hour, fifteen minutes talking
about Giannis.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
You're trying to tell me Giannis wouldn't be able to
play an NBA game in a seventies.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
He wouldn't be able to build.
Speaker 6 (13:42):
Jannis ants Lakoupo would have two hundred and fifty points
in a game in a seventy's and fifty.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
So what that is is that's a shot at guys
who This is the the JJ reddick, the hey you
were playing against plumbers sort of deal. What's interesting about
it is, I'll just tell you my my overall takeaway.
We don't need to we don't need to kind of
lay it out. I think he comes across incredibly small
and incredibly insecure. He's like trying to laugh and settle scores.
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You know, he talks, He talks ish on Brian Windhorst.
He says, Wendy says, we're best friends. He laughs about it.
He made fun of steven A Smith. This is this
is interesting. Here's him talking about steven A Smith and
the confrontation with.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
Steven A which leads obviously to you and steven A.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Hey.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Legit, that feels like a moment that had been brewing
for a long time.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
He's like on a Taylor Swift tour run right now.
Oh yeah, we're watching it. I mean, we're awesome. Well
you're seeing it as well, you know.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
He literally it started off with I didn't want to
address it. Ye sure, I didn't. I didn't want to
address it. I wasn't going to address it. But since
the video came out, I feel the need to address it.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Are you king?
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 6 (15:01):
If it's one person that couldn't wait to the.
Speaker 5 (15:04):
Video or to drop so you can address it, is
your ass, like seriously and like another he completely like
missed the whole point. Never would I ever not allow
people to talk about the sport criticize players about what
they do on the court. That is your job to
criticize or to you know, be in a position where okay,
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if a guy's not performing, you know, that is all
that is.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
All part of the game.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
That's all part of the game.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
But when you take it and you get personal with it,
it's my job to not only protect my damn household,
but protect the players.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Hmm okay, So how is it not personal if it's
a player, but the players your son? And oh yeah,
by the way, he's right, Like, first of all, Lebron
is absolutely right. Steven A has taken this and he's
gone everywhere, and then all these things, like he's like
using it as a reason to get on all these
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different shows, which is odd. I thought the tailor shift
thing is. On the other hand, is it Lebron doing
sort of the same thing? Right? And oh yeah, by
the way, like Lebron, you mean to tell me that
there was never a moment you could have called him
on the phone. There was never a moment where you
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could have had somebody when he knew he's at the game,
say hey, man, can talk to you after the game,
appreciate you. But no, you did it during a timeout
of a live basketball game. During a timeout of a
basketball game. I've never seen that. So the idea that
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this is a private conversation that should have remained private
when you have it in a public setting is And
you criticize Steven A for going on a tour in
talking about it when you're doing the exact same thing,
is ironic, is it not? In regards to Jannis and
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the would he scored two hundred and fifty points, like, look,
let's just have the conversation. The NBA is very, very different.
Is if Jannis is Wilt Chamberlain, who has famously scored
one hundred points. Wilt Chamberlain, if you've seen the videos,
not crazy skilled, right, not nearly as skilled as as
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Janice is. On the other hand, the training is different now,
the way training is different now, the diet is different now.
So if Jannis went back in time and played in
the seventies, what would his body look like? If Wilt
Chamberlain came up in twenty and twenty five, what would
his body and his game look like. In addition to
the fact that it's not played like it is today,
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where there's five guys outside the three point line, there
used to be two guys inside the lane on offense,
two guys on defense, So you're comparing non comparables. And
the crazy thing about it is Lebron and JJ are
two really really smart guys. They're too smart for their
own good, and they're way too arrogant for their own good.
They just are. And again, you can be like a
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what was it called it? What's a Bron fan called?
What's the term that everybody uses?
Speaker 2 (18:22):
I had never heard this, but recently you told me
that broun sexual.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
I've heard that that's the one. Sam. Have you heard
that that term?
Speaker 2 (18:30):
No, No, that's that's very common. I would just think
of like a Lebro or something, you know, I don't know, Okay, libro.
I'd never heard of the Lebron.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
And it feels that you're about to tread on thin ice,
so he's trying to steer the conversation away.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
No, three times over, Lebron, you've never.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Heard You've never heard that term until recently.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
I had not until you brought it up.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
First. Of buyer, have you heard that term?
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Maybe here or there, but not not on the regular.
I think Lebro is better.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
He's a Libro. Yeah, libro. I think a lebro is
a lot more appropriate. But but bron sexual is what
has is? The is kind of the Twitter it's a
it's clever, it's Trevor. I don't know what Jordan fans
were called though, which is Jordan? I don't I don't know.
And by the way, you have to be one of
the other and you can't mention Larry Burner Magic Johnson
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for what reason I'm not really sure, but anyway, yeah,
I mean, like the whole thing is super uncomfortable to me.
To me, it's like McAfee is quite obviously tweaking Steven
A Smith who they're supposed to be on the same
team but they're not right but they're not. And Lebron
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is he's drinking wine, he's settling scores, Like why why
did Brian winhorse catch astray? Why do you care what
people on social media say about you? He just looks
he feels like at twenty twenty five, college or high
school or young young adult. Maybe that plays young, but
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why do you care? Like would anybody have, in a
reasonable mind, have an argument that he's a top five
player all the time in the NBA? Is there any
reason to argue with that. Again, I'm not saying he's fifth,
I'm not saying he's first. Is there any form of
reasonable argument that could say he's not one of the
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top five players all time?
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Dann Byer, No, he's top five for sure.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Okay, so we can all conclude that he's one of
the greatest basketball players ever. If you want to argue
he's the best, or the second best, the third best
and fourth best of the best. Like you can get
those arguments. They get dumb after a while because people
dig in and they want to use any It becomes
like politics and no one can ever like they're just
all great and they're all different, like whatever. Don't care.
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But lists are what brings eyes. People like lists and
controversial takes, and many people bull have made a good,
healthy living off of the healthy debate over Lebron or
Michael Jordan. I have not. I don't care. You people
have sucked all the fun out of any sort of
real sports discussion, and you've made it not fun. But
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the fact that Lebron cares is just super weird to me,
just super weird to me. I don't think there's anything
any other way to put it, Like, why does Lebron
care if Brian Windhorst somebody on social media, or even
if Windhorse, which he didn't say, said himself like we
were really close friends, who are high school teamates or whatever?
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Why does he Why do you care? You don't have
to correct people. You're Lebron James. You don't have to
give context to anything. You're Lebron James, all right, But
for some reason he felt the need mid season, which,
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by the way, and again I didn't listen to the
entirety of the interview. I listened to more clips. But
was there ever a time when you go where mcfee's like, hey,
how come every March you're injured? Right? It's like every
March he's injured, and every March he does something to
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like he needs attention. Like, you don't need attention, You're
Lebron James. Everybody already pays attention. And just the irony
of the whole thing, which with the Steve and A's
doing a tour, he's popping on every show, like why
are you on Pat mccafee.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Safe place?
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Right? I mean, but that's that's the other thing that
he does. It's the reason he wasn't in the dunk contest.
The reason he does the barber shop, which is supposed
to be some open conversation where it's just a bunch
of guys laughing at his jokes. It's just same reason
that now you're going to announce that JJ is getting
replaced by who's replacing him on.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
The podcast, Steve Nash.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Steve Nash, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
To Dan's point, I think if you want to have
the conversation about why this interview, the interview doesn't happen
unless Lebron asks for it to happen, Like he fields
requests and says no to all of them, and so
he's going to ask to do this. He's in Indianapolis again.
I think that kind of rivalry between McAfee and steven
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A is a reason for this. And it's just a
strange thing that, you know, obviously ESPN is a rights holder,
but you just don't see Lebron doing these interviews ever.
He'll he'll like pop on a set maybe inside the
NBA or whatever during an All Star weekend. But this
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is such a rare appearance it obviously must have been
Lebron's doing.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Oh yeah, you know that. I'm sure the Stephen a
thing was ticking him off. I think all the conversation,
and I'm sure there's a portion of it, a portion
of it where Bronny just came off some great G
League game and he wants to do the victory tour.
The f you to everybody run the figure of the air.
But again, even that you don't have to do you're
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Lebron James.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Oh, you've probably also senioron Rodgers, be there for the
last three years and not get any pushback to any
question as well.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Yeah, so uh okay, So Byer like, I'm interested in
your opinion, like, does how does Lebron come off? I
guess it's TV and radio looking sounding to you.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
I think it's always great to see the star be
in a more comfortable atmosphere, but I also feel like
that's the goal, that's what they're trying to sell us,
so there's always some skepticism. It's honestly, it's the same
thing with Tiger Woods. When Tiger Woods would do anything
that was out of the norm, you'd always say, well,
what's the catch, what's the catch here? Because they were
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so protective around him with everything that he did, And
I feel like it's that with Lebron of all right,
what's the catch here?
Speaker 2 (25:21):
What are we trying to do?
Speaker 3 (25:23):
I feel your guys analysis and assessment of the stephen
A thing is one hundred percent and fair. I think
that you know it benefits the mcavie show. Obviously, if
Lebron James wants to come on your show, you're going
to say yes, no doubt about it. But yeah, I
feel that it's all It's tough for me to make
it feel one hundred percent genuine. But I also don't
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think that that interview is done for me. I think
it's done for other people who obviously would like to
consume that sort of Lebron stuff.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Chase do how do you think it comes up.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
I've always said this. I think Dan can be my
witness for being one of the most famous people in
the world. He seeks out attention when he doesn't need to.
He's going to get enough attention in his life because
he's Lebron James, but he seeks out attention for this stuff.
He wants, he wants to be a part of the conversation.
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The problem is he wants to control the variables. He's
not going to go on I don't know sixty minutes.
It's kind of soft now too. But I was trying
to think of an outlet where he would go on,
where he would be asked some tough questions, not only
about basketball and Browny and the lie that the Lakers
told last year when they said that they drafted him
(26:43):
on merit and all that stuff, but some of the
drive by political opinions he's gotten in trouble for. There's
the whole P Diddy association. There's a lot of there's
a lot of ground to cover that would make me happy.
I like people that are uncomfortable. I like confidence to
be the guy, right.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Damn would be the guy.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Buyer or Patrick? Oh yeah, yeah, No, don't even think
of me, Jason, No again, like he's a moron. Yeah,
I mean no, you don't have to say it that
that Like, No, I don't. I don't even get pretty harsh, Sam,
wouldn't you even say that was pretty harsh by Doug No,
immediately dismissed. No, immediately immediately, No, Dan Bayern, don't be
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an idiot, Jason.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Listen, I don't even think I'm again. I know it
would be we could have a legit conversation. I actually
there's just no way he would ever do a sit
down at me ever ever, because again, like we could
have a legitimate basketball but the guy who has the
credibility name uh, can do the mental gymnastics and the
(27:55):
ability to frankly called bull crap is Dan Patrick? Right?
I mean? Am I am? I wrong?
Speaker 2 (28:03):
I would hope that Dan would. I would hope.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Yeah, why would he not?
Speaker 2 (28:09):
I think it's just when when you get a chance
to have somebody, a guy like that on your show.
I think a lot of people go to the deferential thing.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
I know, I know they do. I don't think Dan does.
I could be wrong. You know, I don't listen to
a show every day anymore, just because I am working.
I do listen to show where I have it on
in my in my office. Uh. I think he's the
one guy. I mean again, if we Colin does the
differential thing, right, Colin Colin does. I'm sure if Colin
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had Aaron Rodgers on like, he would be eating out
of Aaron Rodgers' lap by the end of it. Dan,
and Dan does it in a way in which you
don't even know what happened, Like, wait, what just happened? Yeah?
He got you to tell us all your childhood secrets
he did. Yeah, yeah, Rome wouldn't do it. Rome would
be deferential. Uh. Is there anybody else in the sports
(29:03):
media world? I mean, I guess green doesn't even have
a show anymore? Does he Does Greeny have a show anymore?
I don't think he does.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
No, not a radio show. Now I'm thinking about one guy.
Maybe you guys can tell me the name. Who is
the guy who did the Princess Diana interview in the
nineties and then he sat down with Michael Jackson. Do
you remember that guy anyway, Martin? Yes, yes, Martin, that's
the kind of interview I want to see.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
No, he doesn't know anything about sports.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
I don't really need a sports interview.
Speaker 6 (29:35):
I'll take this.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
I'll take that. Take that.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Remember when they were shopping?
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Oh yeah, that was so uncomfortable. I was really uncomfortable
watching that. Does anybody else ge get that? Like, just yeah,
why am I so uncomfortable watching this? Really uncomfortable? Yikes, man,
Martin Bursher, that's really who you would pick.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
I'm just saying that the style of interview I want
is that, like, no agreed upon topics, Let's dive into
this and get uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Does anybody do that.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
That's what I'm trying to think of. I'm trying to
think of the modern day of that person.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Yeah, well, I mean again, I'd like to be that guy.
I just I'm also very comfortable with the fact that
I'm not seeing at that level, although Lebron tweeted at me,
so obviously he's paying attention on some level. I think
Dan Patrick's the answer.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
What I think is the interesting portion of it is
as well of like where's the cutoff of the NBA
star where you start to ask, like if they're in
that realm, Like if Shay Gilgess Alexander potential MVP comes on,
do you ask him any tough questions? Is it just
(30:51):
a grab bag sort of thing? I also think that
aspect is interesting. At what point are you just like, Okay,
we just want the name on the show.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Oh, we don't care about the content.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
We just want the name on the show and the
soundbites that they're going to provide, so we're not going
to push back at all on anything. At what point
do you push back and ask real questions?
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Well, that's the old Derek Cheeter interview thing right when
I was at ESPN and Scott Shapiro is our boss.
He knows this because he before he was in charge
of Mike and Mike in the Morning. He was the
producer for Mike and Mike in the Morning, and like
they got everybody right, they got everybody, got all the
best guests. But to the rest of us, you know,
(31:31):
like we're trying to get guests on the on the show.
And there used to be an email that went out
every day and it would have like the guest list
of this guy, and producers tried to win the email
of the day and it was one email. It wasn't
like a succession of emails, but it was like, you know,
Dan had these guys, Colin had these guys. I would
(31:53):
have guys. There's other shows Mike and Mike, and Mike
almost always won the day. But it's one of those
interviews where you're like, oh, do you had Derek Jeter on?
Knowing Derek Jeter was a terrible interview because he wasn't
going to say anything. It was usually very short, but
the only win in it was saying, we had Derek
(32:14):
Jeter on the show. What do he say? I don't
know that matter now. Lebron actually said some stuff, and
they did sort of go into some topics, but they
were clearly set up topics that he could then go
and punch down on people. I just like, look, man,
you're forty years old, you're the all time leaning scored
(32:37):
NBA history, You've won four NBA titles. Your team, by
the way, just traded for one of the biggest youngest
superstars in the game. So if you want to keep playing,
no one keeps telling you not to. You got a
guy who you respect as a friend is your head coach.
You got your son on the team. You live in
(32:57):
Los Angeles, you're building any building a new place in
Beverly Hills, or yeah, I think right, you moved out
of Brent when he's in Beverly Hills, or they built
I don't know, but by any buddies estimation, you won, right,
you got it. We can argue about if you're the best,
the second best, the third best, whatever, and drive ourselves
(33:18):
crazy of her questions that really don't have answers, But
what's really what did you really win today? By calling
Brian winnhorse weird? Okay, by making fun of Steven A. Smith,
by telling basically saying players in the seventies and earlier
(33:40):
sucked that Giannison Tennakupo would score two hundred and fifty points.
What was the win in that? And if you're honest
with yourself, whether your team Jordan or team Lebron, you're
a Lebro? Is that what you said? If you're a Lebro,
(34:01):
if you're honest with yourself, if you take Lebron off
his name off of it, and you go like, hey,
what if I told you that a guy has accomplished this,
consider the one of the all the time greats. And
he went on a rivals podcast and made fun of
somebody else going on other podcasts, made fun of a
(34:23):
guy who's covered him as a reporter and now it's
kind of a quasi analyst. They grew up together, point
out all the other flaws and other people, what would
you say about him? You would all say, like, boy,
that guy has to be super, super insecure or is
just a just a douche? That's there's really no other
(34:44):
way to say it. That's how it comes across to me,
Like I get it, dude, you're awesome. Everybody's told you're awesome.
This is what happens when you're awesome and everybody tells
you're awesome. You just you just want to pick out
the flaws and others.
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Jimmy Butler is back in the news. Didn't play well
for the Warriors last night, but he the discussion is
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over this statement.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
I like I always said, I got a lot of
love for his city, for the fan base here.
Speaker 7 (36:20):
Video is nice.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
I won't say that there's a lot of emotions.
Speaker 7 (36:23):
Though, I mean it takes it back to some good
times when of Oz wear in the Miami he jersey up.
I'm very appreciative of those time to help me become
the player that I am in this league, the individual
that I am in this league, the teammate, the leader,
all of those things. I don't think I could be
who I am today without my opportunity here.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Yeah, he went on at some point to say, like,
there's not that big about about There's there's nothing. It's
kind of overdone. The whole heat culture thing. You gotta
have players too, so, but honestly, all that's on brand
for Jimmy, isn't it right. Jimmy has a tendency to
(37:03):
go Sherman and burn everything to the sea when he leaves.
That's what he's done previous spots. It's not surprising it
as this spot. HM. You know the thing about the
lebron thing that jumps out to me for you, Jay
Stu is you are somebody who said you're searching for
the opposite of BS. That's what you want. I search
(37:25):
for the opposite of BS.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
And I I just think we keep getting fed the
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but we also have we also have other stories, including
including Lebron James going on with Pat McAfee and what's
the deal with Lebron James going on to Pat McAfee.
We'll play for you some of that sound and we'll
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try and get to the bottom of like, huh, it
kind of feels like potcorn ket a little bit. But
before we get to that. Let's get to this. Some
of the news that I woke up to was that
Russell Wilson has signed with the Giants, right signed with
the Giants. And it's interesting because I think there's a
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world there where you have a head coach who's seen
as a quarterback whisper, a definite need for energy and change,
and they had signed Jamis Winston, who's like the everyone's
favorite backup quarterback. That felt and looked like the Giants
are gonna draft Shadoor Sanders. I think it's a reasonable
(01:52):
assumption to make, like, ooh, Giants need a quarterback. Giants
have a quarterback. Shdoor Sanders would love to be in
a big city and working with a you know, working
with a quarterback guru as a head coach. That one
(02:13):
just makes sense. And then what did the Giants do?
They signed Russell Wilson. You did what? They signed Russell Wilson.
And this is not a me. I told you guys
at the time all season long that the Pittsburgh Steelers
(02:34):
did not have next year's quarterback on the roster. Sam,
you keep track of all the sound on the show,
But did I actually say that, Yes, you said that
there you go. Thanks, Sam, I appreciate that. So we
told you that the Pittsburgh Steelers were the If you
have two quarterbacks, you don't have any right. Which is
(02:55):
what which is true, And it's a really odd move
if you want to think about it, because, yeah, Russell
Wilson's achieved a lot during his NFL career, but this
is the how many straight years have we had where
Russell has been with a different team that has been like, yeah,
(03:16):
we're good here. He wanted to go back to Pittsburgh,
they didn't want him back. He was in Denver and
first year his coach gets fired. Second year, his coach says, well,
we don't want you back. And he wouldn't have gotten
to Denver if Seattle wanted to have him back. So
(03:36):
in reality, it's his fourth straight team that didn't win
and didn't want him back, and the Giants are like, yeah,
we'll take you, we'll sign you, And I guess he's
the starter. Although there's a world there where he competes
with Jamis Winston, who's you know, he's had. He hasn't
had the success of Russell Wilson, but he may have
(03:56):
more left in the tank. Most importantly, most importantly, what
does it mean for this roster? Right? What does it
mean for the roster of the teams that are in
front in front of the New York Giants in terms
(04:18):
of the upcoming NFL Draft, It has to mean to
me that the Raiders would be the team that are
going to sign him. The only problem is the Raiders
trader for Gino Smith. The Browns are the team that
he supposedly wants to avoid. But what are the actual options?
And then you look at these mock drafts, She's like,
wait a second, way, So what's what's Daniel Jeremiah's mock draft?
(04:39):
How does it happen now? And yeah, that means do
do the Browns? Are the Browns kind of forced to
take Shador Sanders or is he forced to go there
because the Giants are at three? And yeah, they could
trade out of that third spot, or they go get
Travis Hunter. Cam Ward appears to destined to go number one.
(05:02):
And then after that you got New England they think
they have their quarterback. You got Jacksonville they think they
have their quarterback. And then you have the Raiders who
just traded for a quarterback. You got the Jets where
maybe but they just gave a bunch of money to
a former top pick to be their starter Carolina number
(05:23):
one overall pick. Is Schadore better New Orleans at nine?
I don't know. I just think the whole thing is
fascinating now and it may it may end up being
the Cleveland Browns are kind of forced to take shad
Door Sanders. Dan, what do you think in terms of
this move? Do the Giants know that the Browns are
(05:45):
gonna draft shad Door Sanders or do you think they're
just turned off by Shador Sanders and they're gonna go
with a veteran in place and then go out and
draft somebody next year or maybe draft a guy late,
you know, in late rounds and development. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
I tried to.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
On the surface, it feels that the Giants have moved
away because of the signings that you mentioned of Winston
and Wilson. I tried to take a look deeper and
not as much on the Brown side, but more on
the Giant side of things. And I know that Joe
Shane didn't draft Daniel Jones, but I do feel that
(06:18):
in a sense, if you're John Merraw, the Giants owner,
who I think will have a lot maybe more of
a say, considering how the Saquon Barkley thing, you know
turned out that we all saw last year, a say,
and who they're going to draft at this point, and
I don't know if reaching for a quarterback and I
do think that taking Shador Sanders at three is an
overall reach for the position. I don't know if they're
(06:41):
going to do that, And so that's why I think
that they're moving away just from the simple fact of
Remember they took Daniel Jones sixth overall when they drafted him,
and at that point we were like, whoa, you know,
Daniel Jones goes sixth overall and John Merrow is still
co owner then and he's you know, co owner. Now,
(07:01):
that's kind of my thinking of it, that they're gonna
stick with the veteran routes, not because of what the
Browns may do, but because I don't think they want
to settle for just I don't want to say mediocre players,
but maybe because should or Sanders.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
They don't want to reach for a need.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Yes, exactly, that's exactly what it is.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
I mean. And now it becomes really interesting, right do
the brown Are the Browns really gonna take him or
the Browns pass, you know, and then you get the
drama of how far is shud Or Sander's fallen when
we don't actually think he's fallen. It's just I don't know.
He thought it's the number two right quarterback in the
draft and quarterbacks seems to be a valuable guy. Why
hasn't he been taken yet? It's very interesting, very interesting,
(07:49):
Jay stew you search for the opposite of BS. That's
one of the things you want to hear of your
on your tombstone. Right, help me cut through what is
the opposite of BS in in what happened with the
Giants signing Russell Wilson, who four straight teams And I
know that it's two years of Denver, but the reality is,
(08:09):
you change coach Stafford, coach gets fired. You know, nobody
wanted him back. Four straight teams essentially told him no thanks.
They signed Russell Wilson.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Yeah, that hasn't that proved that Sean Payton was right.
I thought that Sean Payton at the time was a
little hard on Russell Wilson. I thought that he in
his mind had moved beyond the guy and wanted to
bring in his own guy. And he was unfair to
him a little bit, but I think he was just
right about him. Right. He's just not a very uh,
he's not a great NFL quarterback. And I think that
(08:40):
there is something maybe what what Dan was referring to
is that I just think that the Giants know something
about what the Browns are going to do, and they're, uh,
they're just doing this for a one one year gap
and uh and and but they're going to draft Travis Hunter.
I guess sounds like a decent plant.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Yeah, like a gap year, a gap year, and then
next year they go and draft a quarterback or do
they draft one. I think that what most of these
guys want to do is they want to draft somebody
in the later rounds and develop him and then year two,
you know, somehow they work him in there and you know,
it's like a red shirt year for a guy that
(09:21):
would be by guess because if you look at what
so many of these and part of it is the
rehabbed quarterback, the Sam Darnold of the world, Baker Mayfield
obviously previous to that, Geno Smith previous to that. That's
kind of become the thing in the NFL, Like if
you have a dude, get that dude, sign that dude,
figure it out. If you don't have a dude, maybe
(09:44):
you go this route. And then once you go that route,
you develop somebody young. And if you get somebody young
and cheap like what the Niners had, well, by all means,
then you fill out your roster. We've talked about this
with all of our draft analysts aast couple of months,
and they've agreed this is a trend. The only question
(10:05):
is with the Giants having two veteran former starting quarterbacks
and you know, like I said, Russell Wilson, it also
signifies that obviously Aaron Rodgers is not going to the
Giants anyway, that for Aaron Rodgers it's it's Steelers or
sit and wait. One would think with all of that happening,
(10:27):
this is I don't even know if there's room for
a younger quarterback much the way there will be room
in Las Vegas in Seattle with some of these other teams.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Yes, yes, Dan, Yeah, I was just gonna say, just
you know, in the way that I look at it,
and the way to look at quarterbacks is well, if
Daniel Jeremiah coming up next hours, I don't think that
you can look at the guys just in this class
only I think the Titans are, and maybe the Titans
feel desperate, maybe they need to do that, but I
just don't think that's the way you do it, especially
(10:59):
when we are moving being off of quarterbacks so quickly.
Maybe that's an excuse to draft the guy in that point,
but I just don't. I don't feel that that's the case.
And if you're taking this this class in last year's
class and combining them and cam Ward and Shador Sanders
are seven and eight or six seven in that eight
(11:19):
quarterback ranking, I just don't know how you're necessarily ahead
at that point. And I'm the guy Doug that I
always felt like, well, if you're in the top five,
you gotta how often are you gonna be picking in
the top five? Maybe take your quarterback at that point.
And it's just to me, it's just changed a little bit.
Is I just I wouldn't want to overdraft the guy
fair enough?
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Yeah, because then you're then you're kind of stuck. Right
once you got a guy in that first round, you're stuck.
And if you're Joel Shane, you're like, well, if I
didn't get fired for the sake of on Barkley thing.
I could definitely get fired if I draft the wrong
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Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. So Lebron was on
with Pat McAfee, right, Uh, what's it called? The Lebron versation. Yeah,
so so funny. I uh, we'll talk about this in
the podcast a little bit. The revenge game idea, right, Oh,
(13:01):
it's a revenge game and it's really really interesting. You
know that Michael Jordan would use any sort of slight
as motivation, but he would take it out in the
basketball floor on people. We can get into a discussion
over why Lebron had this conversation. It's fine, but the
(13:25):
also the what was discussed is interesting. Here's Lebron who
sat down Pat McAfee. It's an hour, fifteen minutes talking
about Giannis.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
You're trying to tell me Giannis wouldn't be able to
play an NBA game in a seventies.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
He wouldn't be able to build.
Speaker 6 (13:42):
Jannis ants Lakoupo would have two hundred and fifty points
in a game in a seventy's and fifty.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
So what that is is that's a shot at guys
who This is the the JJ reddick, the hey you
were playing against plumbers sort of deal. What's interesting about
it is, I'll just tell you my my overall takeaway.
We don't need to we don't need to kind of
lay it out. I think he comes across incredibly small
and incredibly insecure. He's like trying to laugh and settle scores.
(14:16):
You know, he talks, He talks ish on Brian Windhorst.
He says, Wendy says, we're best friends. He laughs about it.
He made fun of steven A Smith. This is this
is interesting. Here's him talking about steven A Smith and
the confrontation with.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
Steven A which leads obviously to you and steven A.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Hey.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Legit, that feels like a moment that had been brewing
for a long time.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
He's like on a Taylor Swift tour run right now.
Oh yeah, we're watching it. I mean, we're awesome. Well
you're seeing it as well, you know.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
He literally it started off with I didn't want to
address it. Ye sure, I didn't. I didn't want to
address it. I wasn't going to address it. But since
the video came out, I feel the need to address it.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Are you king?
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 6 (15:01):
If it's one person that couldn't wait to the.
Speaker 5 (15:04):
Video or to drop so you can address it, is
your ass, like seriously and like another he completely like
missed the whole point. Never would I ever not allow
people to talk about the sport criticize players about what
they do on the court. That is your job to
criticize or to you know, be in a position where okay,
(15:27):
if a guy's not performing, you know, that is all
that is.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
All part of the game.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
That's all part of the game.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
But when you take it and you get personal with it,
it's my job to not only protect my damn household,
but protect the players.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Hmm okay, So how is it not personal if it's
a player, but the players your son? And oh yeah,
by the way, he's right, Like, first of all, Lebron
is absolutely right. Steven A has taken this and he's
gone everywhere, and then all these things, like he's like
using it as a reason to get on all these
(16:04):
different shows, which is odd. I thought the tailor shift
thing is. On the other hand, is it Lebron doing
sort of the same thing? Right? And oh yeah, by
the way, like Lebron, you mean to tell me that
there was never a moment you could have called him
on the phone. There was never a moment where you
(16:25):
could have had somebody when he knew he's at the game,
say hey, man, can talk to you after the game,
appreciate you. But no, you did it during a timeout
of a live basketball game. During a timeout of a
basketball game. I've never seen that. So the idea that
(16:47):
this is a private conversation that should have remained private
when you have it in a public setting is And
you criticize Steven A for going on a tour in
talking about it when you're doing the exact same thing,
is ironic, is it not? In regards to Jannis and
(17:10):
the would he scored two hundred and fifty points, like, look,
let's just have the conversation. The NBA is very, very different.
Is if Jannis is Wilt Chamberlain, who has famously scored
one hundred points. Wilt Chamberlain, if you've seen the videos,
not crazy skilled, right, not nearly as skilled as as
(17:30):
Janice is. On the other hand, the training is different now,
the way training is different now, the diet is different now.
So if Jannis went back in time and played in
the seventies, what would his body look like? If Wilt
Chamberlain came up in twenty and twenty five, what would
his body and his game look like. In addition to
the fact that it's not played like it is today,
(17:53):
where there's five guys outside the three point line, there
used to be two guys inside the lane on offense,
two guys on defense, So you're comparing non comparables. And
the crazy thing about it is Lebron and JJ are
two really really smart guys. They're too smart for their
own good, and they're way too arrogant for their own good.
They just are. And again, you can be like a
(18:17):
what was it called it? What's a Bron fan called?
What's the term that everybody uses?
Speaker 2 (18:22):
I had never heard this, but recently you told me
that broun sexual.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
I've heard that that's the one. Sam. Have you heard
that that term?
Speaker 2 (18:30):
No, No, that's that's very common. I would just think
of like a Lebro or something, you know, I don't know, Okay, libro.
I'd never heard of the Lebron.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
And it feels that you're about to tread on thin ice,
so he's trying to steer the conversation away.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
No, three times over, Lebron, you've never.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Heard You've never heard that term until recently.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
I had not until you brought it up.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
First. Of buyer, have you heard that term?
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Maybe here or there, but not not on the regular.
I think Lebro is better.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
He's a Libro. Yeah, libro. I think a lebro is
a lot more appropriate. But but bron sexual is what
has is? The is kind of the Twitter it's a
it's clever, it's Trevor. I don't know what Jordan fans
were called though, which is Jordan? I don't I don't know.
And by the way, you have to be one of
the other and you can't mention Larry Burner Magic Johnson
(19:21):
for what reason I'm not really sure, but anyway, yeah,
I mean, like the whole thing is super uncomfortable to me.
To me, it's like McAfee is quite obviously tweaking Steven
A Smith who they're supposed to be on the same
team but they're not right but they're not. And Lebron
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is he's drinking wine, he's settling scores, Like why why
did Brian winhorse catch astray? Why do you care what
people on social media say about you? He just looks
he feels like at twenty twenty five, college or high
school or young young adult. Maybe that plays young, but
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why do you care? Like would anybody have, in a
reasonable mind, have an argument that he's a top five
player all the time in the NBA? Is there any
reason to argue with that. Again, I'm not saying he's fifth,
I'm not saying he's first. Is there any form of
reasonable argument that could say he's not one of the
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top five players all time?
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Dann Byer, No, he's top five for sure.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Okay, so we can all conclude that he's one of
the greatest basketball players ever. If you want to argue
he's the best, or the second best, the third best
and fourth best of the best. Like you can get
those arguments. They get dumb after a while because people
dig in and they want to use any It becomes
like politics and no one can ever like they're just
all great and they're all different, like whatever. Don't care.
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But lists are what brings eyes. People like lists and
controversial takes, and many people bull have made a good,
healthy living off of the healthy debate over Lebron or
Michael Jordan. I have not. I don't care. You people
have sucked all the fun out of any sort of
real sports discussion, and you've made it not fun. But
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the fact that Lebron cares is just super weird to me,
just super weird to me. I don't think there's anything
any other way to put it, Like, why does Lebron
care if Brian Windhorst somebody on social media, or even
if Windhorse, which he didn't say, said himself like we
were really close friends, who are high school teamates or whatever?
(21:40):
Why does he Why do you care? You don't have
to correct people. You're Lebron James. You don't have to
give context to anything. You're Lebron James, all right, But
for some reason he felt the need mid season, which,
(22:04):
by the way, and again I didn't listen to the
entirety of the interview. I listened to more clips. But
was there ever a time when you go where mcfee's like, hey,
how come every March you're injured? Right? It's like every
March he's injured, and every March he does something to
(22:28):
like he needs attention. Like, you don't need attention, You're
Lebron James. Everybody already pays attention. And just the irony
of the whole thing, which with the Steve and A's
doing a tour, he's popping on every show, like why
are you on Pat mccafee.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Safe place?
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Right? I mean, but that's that's the other thing that
he does. It's the reason he wasn't in the dunk contest.
The reason he does the barber shop, which is supposed
to be some open conversation where it's just a bunch
of guys laughing at his jokes. It's just same reason
that now you're going to announce that JJ is getting
replaced by who's replacing him on.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
The podcast, Steve Nash.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Steve Nash, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
To Dan's point, I think if you want to have
the conversation about why this interview, the interview doesn't happen
unless Lebron asks for it to happen, Like he fields
requests and says no to all of them, and so
he's going to ask to do this. He's in Indianapolis again.
I think that kind of rivalry between McAfee and steven
(23:35):
A is a reason for this. And it's just a
strange thing that, you know, obviously ESPN is a rights holder,
but you just don't see Lebron doing these interviews ever.
He'll he'll like pop on a set maybe inside the
NBA or whatever during an All Star weekend. But this
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is such a rare appearance it obviously must have been
Lebron's doing.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Oh yeah, you know that. I'm sure the Stephen a
thing was ticking him off. I think all the conversation,
and I'm sure there's a portion of it, a portion
of it where Bronny just came off some great G
League game and he wants to do the victory tour.
The f you to everybody run the figure of the air.
But again, even that you don't have to do you're
(24:21):
Lebron James.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Oh, you've probably also senioron Rodgers, be there for the
last three years and not get any pushback to any
question as well.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Yeah, so uh okay, So Byer like, I'm interested in
your opinion, like, does how does Lebron come off? I
guess it's TV and radio looking sounding to you.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
I think it's always great to see the star be
in a more comfortable atmosphere, but I also feel like
that's the goal, that's what they're trying to sell us,
so there's always some skepticism. It's honestly, it's the same
thing with Tiger Woods. When Tiger Woods would do anything
that was out of the norm, you'd always say, well,
what's the catch, what's the catch here? Because they were
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so protective around him with everything that he did, And
I feel like it's that with Lebron of all right,
what's the catch here?
Speaker 2 (25:21):
What are we trying to do?
Speaker 3 (25:23):
I feel your guys analysis and assessment of the stephen
A thing is one hundred percent and fair. I think
that you know it benefits the mcavie show. Obviously, if
Lebron James wants to come on your show, you're going
to say yes, no doubt about it. But yeah, I
feel that it's all It's tough for me to make
it feel one hundred percent genuine. But I also don't
(25:46):
think that that interview is done for me. I think
it's done for other people who obviously would like to
consume that sort of Lebron stuff.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Chase do how do you think it comes up.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
I've always said this. I think Dan can be my
witness for being one of the most famous people in
the world. He seeks out attention when he doesn't need to.
He's going to get enough attention in his life because
he's Lebron James, but he seeks out attention for this stuff.
He wants, he wants to be a part of the conversation.
(26:22):
The problem is he wants to control the variables. He's
not going to go on I don't know sixty minutes.
It's kind of soft now too. But I was trying
to think of an outlet where he would go on,
where he would be asked some tough questions, not only
about basketball and Browny and the lie that the Lakers
told last year when they said that they drafted him
(26:43):
on merit and all that stuff, but some of the
drive by political opinions he's gotten in trouble for. There's
the whole P Diddy association. There's a lot of there's
a lot of ground to cover that would make me happy.
I like people that are uncomfortable. I like confidence to
be the guy, right.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Damn would be the guy.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Buyer or Patrick? Oh yeah, yeah, No, don't even think
of me, Jason, No again, like he's a moron. Yeah,
I mean no, you don't have to say it that
that Like, No, I don't. I don't even get pretty harsh, Sam,
wouldn't you even say that was pretty harsh by Doug No,
immediately dismissed. No, immediately immediately, No, Dan Bayern, don't be
(27:31):
an idiot, Jason.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Listen, I don't even think I'm again. I know it
would be we could have a legit conversation. I actually
there's just no way he would ever do a sit
down at me ever ever, because again, like we could
have a legitimate basketball but the guy who has the
credibility name uh, can do the mental gymnastics and the
(27:55):
ability to frankly called bull crap is Dan Patrick? Right?
I mean? Am I am? I wrong?
Speaker 2 (28:03):
I would hope that Dan would. I would hope.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Yeah, why would he not?
Speaker 2 (28:09):
I think it's just when when you get a chance
to have somebody, a guy like that on your show.
I think a lot of people go to the deferential thing.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
I know, I know they do. I don't think Dan does.
I could be wrong. You know, I don't listen to
a show every day anymore, just because I am working.
I do listen to show where I have it on
in my in my office. Uh. I think he's the
one guy. I mean again, if we Colin does the
differential thing, right, Colin Colin does. I'm sure if Colin
(28:39):
had Aaron Rodgers on like, he would be eating out
of Aaron Rodgers' lap by the end of it. Dan,
and Dan does it in a way in which you
don't even know what happened, Like, wait, what just happened? Yeah?
He got you to tell us all your childhood secrets
he did. Yeah, yeah, Rome wouldn't do it. Rome would
be deferential. Uh. Is there anybody else in the sports
(29:03):
media world? I mean, I guess green doesn't even have
a show anymore? Does he Does Greeny have a show anymore?
I don't think he does.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
No, not a radio show. Now I'm thinking about one guy.
Maybe you guys can tell me the name. Who is
the guy who did the Princess Diana interview in the
nineties and then he sat down with Michael Jackson. Do
you remember that guy anyway, Martin? Yes, yes, Martin, that's
the kind of interview I want to see.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
No, he doesn't know anything about sports.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
I don't really need a sports interview.
Speaker 6 (29:35):
I'll take this.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
I'll take that. Take that.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Remember when they were shopping?
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Oh yeah, that was so uncomfortable. I was really uncomfortable
watching that. Does anybody else ge get that? Like, just yeah,
why am I so uncomfortable watching this? Really uncomfortable? Yikes, man,
Martin Bursher, that's really who you would pick.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
I'm just saying that the style of interview I want
is that, like, no agreed upon topics, Let's dive into
this and get uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Does anybody do that.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
That's what I'm trying to think of. I'm trying to
think of the modern day of that person.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Yeah, well, I mean again, I'd like to be that guy.
I just I'm also very comfortable with the fact that
I'm not seeing at that level, although Lebron tweeted at me,
so obviously he's paying attention on some level. I think
Dan Patrick's the answer.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
What I think is the interesting portion of it is
as well of like where's the cutoff of the NBA
star where you start to ask, like if they're in
that realm, Like if Shay Gilgess Alexander potential MVP comes on,
do you ask him any tough questions? Is it just
(30:51):
a grab bag sort of thing? I also think that
aspect is interesting. At what point are you just like, Okay,
we just want the name on the show.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Oh, we don't care about the content.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
We just want the name on the show and the
soundbites that they're going to provide, so we're not going
to push back at all on anything. At what point
do you push back and ask real questions?
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Well, that's the old Derek Cheeter interview thing right when
I was at ESPN and Scott Shapiro is our boss.
He knows this because he before he was in charge
of Mike and Mike in the Morning. He was the
producer for Mike and Mike in the Morning, and like
they got everybody right, they got everybody, got all the
best guests. But to the rest of us, you know,
(31:31):
like we're trying to get guests on the on the show.
And there used to be an email that went out
every day and it would have like the guest list
of this guy, and producers tried to win the email
of the day and it was one email. It wasn't
like a succession of emails, but it was like, you know,
Dan had these guys, Colin had these guys. I would
(31:53):
have guys. There's other shows Mike and Mike, and Mike
almost always won the day. But it's one of those
interviews where you're like, oh, do you had Derek Jeter on?
Knowing Derek Jeter was a terrible interview because he wasn't
going to say anything. It was usually very short, but
the only win in it was saying, we had Derek
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Jeter on the show. What do he say? I don't
know that matter now. Lebron actually said some stuff, and
they did sort of go into some topics, but they
were clearly set up topics that he could then go
and punch down on people. I just like, look, man,
you're forty years old, you're the all time leaning scored
(32:37):
NBA history, You've won four NBA titles. Your team, by
the way, just traded for one of the biggest youngest
superstars in the game. So if you want to keep playing,
no one keeps telling you not to. You got a
guy who you respect as a friend is your head coach.
You got your son on the team. You live in
(32:57):
Los Angeles, you're building any building a new place in
Beverly Hills, or yeah, I think right, you moved out
of Brent when he's in Beverly Hills, or they built
I don't know, but by any buddies estimation, you won, right,
you got it. We can argue about if you're the best,
the second best, the third best, whatever, and drive ourselves
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crazy of her questions that really don't have answers, But
what's really what did you really win today? By calling
Brian winnhorse weird? Okay, by making fun of Steven A. Smith,
by telling basically saying players in the seventies and earlier
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sucked that Giannison Tennakupo would score two hundred and fifty points.
What was the win in that? And if you're honest
with yourself, whether your team Jordan or team Lebron, you're
a Lebro? Is that what you said? If you're a Lebro,
(34:01):
if you're honest with yourself, if you take Lebron off
his name off of it, and you go like, hey,
what if I told you that a guy has accomplished this,
consider the one of the all the time greats. And
he went on a rivals podcast and made fun of
somebody else going on other podcasts, made fun of a
(34:23):
guy who's covered him as a reporter and now it's
kind of a quasi analyst. They grew up together, point
out all the other flaws and other people, what would
you say about him? You would all say, like, boy,
that guy has to be super, super insecure or is
just a just a douche? That's there's really no other
(34:44):
way to say it. That's how it comes across to me,
Like I get it, dude, you're awesome. Everybody's told you're awesome.
This is what happens when you're awesome and everybody tells
you're awesome. You just you just want to pick out
the flaws and others.
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So we'll talk some NCAA tournament and one of the
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Jimmy Butler is back in the news. Didn't play well
for the Warriors last night, but he the discussion is
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over this statement.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
I like I always said, I got a lot of
love for his city, for the fan base here.
Speaker 7 (36:20):
Video is nice.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
I won't say that there's a lot of emotions.
Speaker 7 (36:23):
Though, I mean it takes it back to some good
times when of Oz wear in the Miami he jersey up.
I'm very appreciative of those time to help me become
the player that I am in this league, the individual
that I am in this league, the teammate, the leader,
all of those things. I don't think I could be
who I am today without my opportunity here.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Yeah, he went on at some point to say, like,
there's not that big about about There's there's nothing. It's
kind of overdone. The whole heat culture thing. You gotta
have players too, so, but honestly, all that's on brand
for Jimmy, isn't it right. Jimmy has a tendency to
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go Sherman and burn everything to the sea when he leaves.
That's what he's done previous spots. It's not surprising it
as this spot. HM. You know the thing about the
lebron thing that jumps out to me for you, Jay
Stu is you are somebody who said you're searching for
the opposite of BS. That's what you want. I search
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for the opposite of BS.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
And I I just think we keep getting fed the
other stuff. No, do you like or hate where we're
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