October 4, 2024 • 38 mins
Doug talks about the Falcons come-from-behind win on Thursday night and the Mets' win over the Brewers in dramatic fashion, and asks the question "which one was more exciting?". Doug welcomes former NFL executive Mark Dominik onto the show to talk about Davante Adams, the Falcons and all of the other major headlines around the NFL. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "I Got Dibbs!".
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I think the only two groups of people that didn't
like last night were Brewer fans and Buccaneer fans. It's
not really like a huge group of Buccaneer fans. Brewer
fans and I live around all of them. They're like,
how could you say that? What an amazing night, amazing night.
And here the Brewers were, what was it? They were
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two outs away, two outs away from from advancing, and
a three run home run changes all that. And then
of course Kirk Cousins throws a pick late in the
fourth corner, only to get another opportunity that they come back,
tie it, send it to overtime and win on this
final pass. This was the final pass of regulation, by
the way, which send it to overtime.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Oh this is sorry.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
This is Kirk Cousins on the final pass of regulation
with time running out.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
They were living dangerously. The call came in. It was
it was a ball's got to go to the sideline.
You know, every route was to the sideline. And then
he changed his mind. He said, you know what, Kirk
ripped this slant and let's let's clock it and see
if we can do it. And uh, we were.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Able to do it by one second.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Really amazing. Here's Cousins in the locker room with his
team after the game. Here's Raheem Morris, the new head
coach Atlanta Falcons, said this about caderill Hodge.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
It was not just about him. We talked about this thing, Tory,
and we said we got here. We said this team
was created with our old team that's on an organization
with fifty three man roster, with all the sixteen practice
squad guys. We said, as one big team, we're all
together and he's no different.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
And when his numbers called two.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
Weeks in a row, scoring a touchdown, whether it's on
special teams, whether it's on offense, excited to know.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Who he is and what he's made of and what
he is about.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
I mean, just really really incredible for Hodge. And of
course he catches that ball as just a I mean,
I don't know, we used to call it a button hook, right,
just turns catches bad tackling by Tampa and like the
Red Sea at parts and number twelve runs in for
a touchdown with like eight forty to go in overtime.
Just kind of an amazing end to a football game, right,
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amazing end of a football game. This is coming on
the heels of an amazing end to the baseball game.
Here's my question of today. Okay, Falcons come from behind
and win, and everything we thought about Kirk Cousin may
in fact be incorrect.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Right.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Kirk Cousins was known as a guy who couldn't play
in the big games. He was the primetime killer, he
was the guy who got too tight. Of course, he
went on the road and beat the Saints in the playoffs,
and people thought, well, maybe that's that eliminates it.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
No, it's not big enough.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
And then now he's two and zero in primetime games
in Atlanta Falcons uniform, this later on his career, coming
off an Achilles ten in tear.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
So the part of it is it takes.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Incredible fortitude and meplemental toughness to play long enough to
eventually overcome these narratives. Lebron James did it. And I'm
not saying Kirk Cousins is Lebron James, but Lebron James. Remember,
we'd go back to the Dallas series and he was
seen as a guy who wasn't ready for the big moment.
Then he was ready for the big moment, and then
he's since won four NBA titles and now he's won
another gold medal. And part of it is we do
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jump to conclusions a little bit. I know, I have
friends who played with him in Minnesota and they all
said it was a real thing. He was clearly tight
when they would play the bigger games, the standalone games,
the primetime games. But as most of us do, as
you age, you can process things a little bit better.
And the best thing about Kirk Cousins is I don't
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think he's acting like I think the rohole Russell Wilson thing,
the id aug shucks, I'm trying to be a good guy.
And also thing I think he's acting. I don't think
Kirk Cousins is. I think he's just a dorky, nerdy
dad who's really good at football, and he leans into that.
And once you can kind of be yourself and not
try to be anybody else and just go play football,
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that's when.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
You can ultimately be successful.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
And oh yeah, by the way, be embraced for it.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Be embraced for it.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
But here's the question of the day I have, and
I know I'll give you my answer to it. And
I understand there's more at stake when there's playoffs and
regular season, But isn't the ending of baseball better than
the ending of football?
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Even at the ending of football.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Was equally kind of quick, right, They did feel like, wait,
the Falcons are gonna they're gonna lose this game. No weight,
they got it back, no weight, they're gonna run out
of time, no weight, they got it done. They kick
a field goal, then you go to overtime, and then one,
you know, then this one play just a really quick,
you know, little route usually against the zone, just a
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little dig route ends up being a touchdown. But I
wonder if baseball's ending is better because of essentially the
three point play, right, the home run is worth three
runs in this particular instance, I don't know which ending
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did you think was better? Which ending do you think
is more memorable? And as much as right now, we're
gonna say the Mets a couple things won.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
It wasn't the end of the game. The Brewers did
get a chance to hit it again.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Secondly, we're going to forget about great early playoff, wild card,
divisional round matchups.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
That's just the reality of it, just the reality of it.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
And it's still the Brewers and Mets. It's not the
Yankees or the Dodgers. On the other hand, we're talking
Falcons in Tampa and Thursday night football and a streaming service.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
If it's me, I think it's.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Baseball because the baseball moment is and and Jase Dow,
I'm going to credit you because you said it.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
It's the baseball.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
It can be really hard to watch, can be a
really long and really boring, and you'll sit with people
that don't like baseball and go.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Like, why do you watch this crap. Why it's so.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Slow, it's so boring, there's too many games, and then
you're like, okay, we watch the playoffs and you're still like, yeah,
it's to nothing, like there's nothing really to this. And
they walk a guy and get it hits first and third,
and now all a sudden, everybody gets hype and wait,
he just hit one out of the park and now
you're down three too, just like that, Jase, do which
ending was better for you?
Speaker 6 (06:51):
Well, just to clarify something, I'm never bored by baseball.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
I will no, no, no, no, But but people are.
Speaker 6 (06:58):
Okay, no, no, I understand that sentiment. What my point was,
major League Baseball has done a lot in recent years
to piss me off. Whether it's now we're allowed to
celebrate after every single whether it's now let's fade the
lights on every home run and let's have blaring music
between innings, and let's speed up the game that I
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didn't think needed speed it up and speeding up. But
moments like last night make me fall in love with
the sport again. That's my point. You see something like
that and you're like, that's why I'm never going to
leave this game, all.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Right, how about you. I was sam which ending was better.
Speaker 7 (07:45):
I'm gonna go with the Mets as well. I thought
that was one of the best Thursday night football games
I've ever seen, at least from, you know, scoring an
entertainment the scoring an entertainment point of view, But that
ending for the Mets and just where the Mets have
been in like what kind of franchise they are?
Speaker 4 (07:59):
That was that was very memorable.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Okay, wait, that one.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
I have to kind of slam the brakes on for
a second because that's one of those Met woe is
Me sentiment that's not actually close to being accurate. And
I'm not saying you are. I think to what you're
doing is you're following the narrative. Mets fans act like
all they do is suck, and they've always sucked. And
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it's been like forty years in the you know, forty
years in the desert, right when this is their second
playoff appearance in the last three years. They won one
hundred and one games. Two years ago. Yes, COVID year,
they were terrible. After COVID year, they were bad. They
have alternated in between bad years. But if you want
to go in the last ten years, They've won ninety
eighty seven, seventy seventy seven, eighty six. The COVID year
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they won twenty six seventy seven, one hundred and one,
seventy five eighty nine. Where is the woe is me?
The Mets had been bad for a long time. I'm
waiting for it. Fall for that, Sam, don't fall.
Speaker 7 (09:00):
From I don't think it comes to mind when I
think about the Mets except for their World Series appearance
nine years ago. Honestly, they just they don't.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
How many well, how many other teams have been in
the World Series since?
Speaker 7 (09:14):
Uh, every many years since two teams each year?
Speaker 1 (09:18):
I understand how many other teams? By point?
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Like, how many World Series are the Dodgers been the
dominant team in the National League? How many World Series
are the Dodgers been to in that same period.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Of time three at least?
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Okay, and that's the most dominant team. Like, it's really
really hard. They haven't been a joke. They've been a
laughing stock in baseball, them in the Chicago White Sox
right now that they just haven't like now the Mets,
if you want to say they've been guilty of anything.
There was a long time there where they kind of
mirrored the Knicks in that they would never just be
super bad to end up being really, really good. But
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I'm just the whole reason that the Mets have gotten
discussed over the last decade is just like the Jets,
just like Syracuse. Is half of the half of the
people in our profession went to Syracuse and our Nicks
Mets gets fans.
Speaker 8 (10:12):
Oh, it's so true. It is one hundred percent true.
The Mets were treated like the team that had their
manager leave them for their rival, that had their star
player be injured in the middle of the season and
not be able to return, That they had their best
pitcher leave because they weren't willing to pay him enough
money and had another starting pitcher be injured. That's how
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the Mets were treated last night. Oh and by the way,
that was the Brewers. And the guy who was now
running the Mets front office was the guy who built
the Brewers team as we know it as of now,
David Stearns, who had been rumored to be going to
the Mets for years and years and years and finally
took over as their president of baseball operations.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Listen, the Mets have the number one payroll in all
of baseball. Okay, one hundred and seventeen million dollars. The Brewers, who,
as Dan properly pointed out, their manager left for the Cubs.
Do you know how bad that hurts? Do you understand
what it's like in Milwaukee? Walking is like an hour
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and a half in Chicago to lose them to the Cubs.
They have the twenty first payroll and then they've lost
picture after picture their best players on the shelf.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Tried to fight through it with the back issue. Yeah. Again,
I'm just Sam.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
I'm not saying I don't know more about baseball than
you do, but I'm just telling you all of this
is that it's a media create.
Speaker 7 (11:35):
Less so about the narrative is actually my point, more
so just the ending and how they advanced. I mean, yes,
I the narrative played into my opinion a little bit.
But if you have the highest payroll in baseball and
you're underwhelming, and really nothing was expected of them this
year and they outperformed, I thought that's cool.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Well, they had injuries to start the years, you know
they last year they had injuries, crazy injuries in spring training, right,
I mean, Diaz was the best closure in baseball two
years ago, and then he gets hurt. They had just
a litany of other injuries. They scrap everything to spend
a bunch of money. I mean, you spend three hundred
million dollars, you don't make the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Like, dude, what so buyer, what do you think what's better?
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Ending? Well, I mean baseball was.
Speaker 8 (12:15):
I mean, as much as I wanted the Brewers to win,
and I don't live and die with the Brewers, but
if I picked any team to win a World Series,
it would be then that would be the team that
I that I cheered for. And when Pete Alonso hit
the home run, there was a bit of a sinking feeling.
And you can't deny walk single and home run, and
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all of a sudden it's a completely different ballgame.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Ending?
Speaker 8 (12:38):
Is what postseason baseball is about? In fact, to me
on a grander scale, it verified or validated what Major
League Baseball wanted to do. And now you're making more
interesting games. You may not like the three game series,
but you can't argue what last night did you provided
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in an area that.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Was never mindy before.
Speaker 8 (13:03):
It's like you find gold in an area that you
had no idea could actually be there, so I give
them credit for all of that, but yeah, it's still stung.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Oh man, what an ended and it was so weird.
So let me give you can' I give you my
night real quick. I had a question, Dan, I'm sorry.
Speaker 8 (13:19):
No, I just you know, there's another part of this
is did you guys hear the Bob Buker call you
guys heard about I don't know if we have it
in the system. I've got it on my computer if
you needed to play it. But this is the other
part of it. And Christian Yelich was in the Brewers
dugout Last or excuse me clubhouse last night and was
in tears, not because they lost, but because of the
conversation that he had with Bob Yuker, who went around
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to each player in the post game show, and Bob
Buker's ninety and there's no idea when Bob Bucher is
finally going to hang things up. But it was an
emotional call. So for as great as the Met's call was,
and that was getting all the pub I actually do
have the.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Brewers call one.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
That's a good I think that's yeah, that's that's my bad.
That's my bad on that.
Speaker 8 (14:04):
No, it's just the the different window was open. Here
was what Here's what it sounded like with Bob Yuker
last night and calling the final out of that game three.
Speaker 6 (14:16):
Well, New York they did it, and.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
We'll have it in tonight.
Speaker 7 (14:34):
Really a crushing into what was a fabulous.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
Season for the Milwaukee Brewers.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
And that one.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Had some string on it. So that was Bob Yuker
And so I think that that hits onto a lot
of a lot of places last night. So that made
my heart hurt a little bit.
Speaker 8 (14:54):
Yeah, but mister New York Sam, Iowa Sam. There, we
call New York Sam. You know New York Sam.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Oh, the poor Mets. They haven't done anything.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
It's just, oh gosh, this ragtag bunch of losers that
got picked up on the street, off the waiver wire
and thrown together at the last moment somehow overcame the
lofty payroll and uh and made it to another round
of the playoffs. I love Sam, God lamb for Sam.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Yes, that yeah, that one. That one's Byron.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
I Byron.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
I know how this I mean, this is like it's
like it's Jason Smith's a perfect example, right. I love
Jason he's on at Night with Mike with with Mike Harmon,
but he talks about the Mets as if they've been
the old Brooklyn Dodgers.
Speaker 7 (15:42):
Clearly, Jason, Jason and Smith and Rich Davis have brainwashed
me with all their constant, just repetition of takes about
the Mets are the lovable loser.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
New York Sam, Big York's Big.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
I like Big Apple, Sam, Yeah, Big, I like Big Apple.
That's that's not bad.
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Speaker 2 (16:13):
Look at You, Sammy, That's New York Sam.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
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Speaker 4 (16:23):
They call me the big Crab Apple Real.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Huey Lewis is like in Montana. What happened where he
can't perform anymore?
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Is his voice or is hnd It's something with his
vocal cords.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Man that sucks. Huey Lewis and the News. If you're
in the band and they say are you in the band?
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Yeah? What band you in?
Speaker 2 (16:44):
I'm in the News Or do you say I'm with
Huey Lewis and we're the News.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Could be confusing.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
It could be very confusing because even though the News
was part of Huey Lewis The News, I don't know
if anybody would have known.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Them as the news.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Just anyway, big story in the in the NFL outside
of last night. I want to get the last night's
game and a second with Mark Dominic. Of course, former
Joe manager of the Tampay Buccaneers. Aaron Rodgers possibly reuniting
with Davante Adams. Davante Adams has preferred to be traded.
Most people think his preferred destinations be the Jets of
Aaron Rodgers or with their carr with an Orland Saints,
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other teams in need of a wide receiver, potentially a
Buffalo or maybe a Kansas City. Here's Aaron Rodgers when
he was asked about Davante Adams.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
I don't know how much I can say about it.
Speaker 10 (17:32):
There's tampering, but I still have a close friendship with him.
We spend time in the off season together. He's a
great guy and great player and thrust that out of
my hands.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Here's Aaron Rodgers talking about the grass being greener.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
The grass is green where you water it.
Speaker 10 (17:48):
You know, there's the fear mongering that goes along with
the adage that the grass is not always greener on
the other side. But grass is green where you water
and you put the time and you put intention intention
into whatever you're doing, and you can make a special
situation out of being anywhere.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Okay, that sounds good, but it feels like the opposite.
It does feel like both of those guys thought, you know, thought,
hey man, we're really gonna this is gonna be awesome
in our new spot. Now you find out your new
spot is wildly dysfunctional. Raiders and Jets, let's welcome in
Mark Dominic.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Mark.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Let me ask you first, Devontae Adams, what's his values?
It's one you're left in this deal doesn't appear to
be the same player, but some of it is also
who he's playing with. What's his value in the open market,
on the trade.
Speaker 11 (18:35):
Market, Doug, I think it's a good question. I don't
know if you can get a one for DeVante Adams.
It'd be hard pressed to do that as an organization.
I do think a two would be something that you
would think you could easily ask for. I mean Obviously
the Raiders gave up a one and the two to
acquire him a few years back, but I think a
two is probably fair market value. I think a one
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would be really stretching or pushing it.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
All right, what about the idea of joining Rogers or
joining Derek Carr, what's a better fit?
Speaker 11 (19:06):
Well, I mean, I guess, you know, Garrett Wilson's been
just you know, double team and triple teams and so
to get I think, you know, DeVante Adams. The Jets
to me seems like a little bit better of a spot,
and I think it's a better you know, possible ending
the center obviously in contention, you know last night's game
was I think it is good for the things that
was obviously for the Alanta Falcons. The sad thing I
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think when I look at this whole thing, Doug is
hebe You've got the Raiders. We're playing the Denver Broncos
who are two and two, and the Raiders are two
and two, and if you win this game, they're kind
of in the playoff hunt, and everybody's like getri to
the player, like it's just you know, it'd be one
thing that the Raiders center pour and Roero and four
and you're like, well, you got to trade DeVonta Adams.
They're just two and two and they can beat the
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Denver Broncos. I think they're good to do that. And
they're three and two, and suddenly you know you're star
receiver doesn't want to be there when you actually are
in the hunt for the playoffs. That's the sad part
of this whole conversation.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Opinion.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
I would agree with you. I would completely agree with you.
Let's get to last night's game. Your biggest takeaway.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Is what.
Speaker 11 (20:09):
Tackling need to improve in the National Football League. There
was a lot of misstackles out there in the field.
That's why we saw so many points. You know, I
was going to I was pretty disappointed Raheem Morris's decision
at halftime to punt the ball. I think it's the
first time I saw the punt of the entire game,
and it was only nineteen seconds left, and I'm.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
Like to go for it.
Speaker 11 (20:25):
You know, see what you can do here because no
one really could stop anybody. But I think it goes
down to the beauty is the game isn't over till
it's over. And you could see that there were some
throws last night, but there was Baker Mayfield's gorgeous touchdown
pass or a couple that Kirk Cousins said. They just
let their guys gon make plays. Yeah, the placement was unbelievable,
but it was just as like a good thing. Nothing
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bad happened. But that's the difference between a veteran quarterback
and a quarterback that's gunshy or scared to make the play,
like what's happened to Bryce Young where he doesn't even
make that throat because he's so afraid of what's going
to happen. So two gun players just let out and
trusting that their playmakers are better than the defenders and
proved true all night.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
How were we so and I say we, I'm not
saying you. I would say national media very off about
the NFC South. It's early, Okay, it's it's early, But
how can we be so off about the NFC South,
a division which people are like, I don't really know.
I think something can be good now. It appears to
have some several good teams.
Speaker 11 (21:23):
How do we miss I don't know if we missed
either though, Doug, Yet you know I picked at the
beginning of the preseason the valuk to win the division. Tampa,
you know, had me on the ropes last night for
a little bit there and had a chance to really
kind of pull some separation. I still feel like there's
only going to be one team that comes out of
the South. I still feel like there's going to be
two that come out of the North. I think there's
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going to be two that come out of the East
and two that come out of the West and just
went out of South, and so I think what you're
seeing is, yes, they are good football teams, but over time,
because they're going to be playing each other, they're going
to beat each other up. I still from ten and
seven is going to be as good as you get
out of the South. But you know, it's still way
too early to all that. You know, Tampa lost the
game last night. In my opinion, Atlanta took advantage of it.
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But Kirk Cousins continues to prove why. You know, he's
very disrespected but still can put some magic numbers together,
even when Matt Ryan's getting his jersey retired.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Why is he so disrespected?
Speaker 11 (22:17):
It's the playoff record, you know, it's hard to think
of anything. I think it's you know, his emotional house
perst that will never forget you like that, and then
you kind of sit there and say, yeah, but it's
kind of like the old Matt hassebeak. We're going to
get the ball and win the game, and it doesn't
work out, and you're like, oh, that was a great quote.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
You know.
Speaker 11 (22:32):
Kirk Cousin's kind of been the same way. His postseason
hasn't matched up to his accolades in the regular season
a little bit like Dak Prescott, and I think that's
why he's kind of always been that good, not great.
But you know, you're talking about a fifth game coming
off with an achilles. They spent a lot of time
last night talking about his plant. But on the broadcast,
it's an impressive performance. You know, to go out there.
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It's five hundred yards. I mean, I know this league
is a past happy league. With five hundred yards, that's
an amazing accomplishment.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
No, he was on pace last year to throw for
six thousand yards before he got four he got hurt.
So let's sprinkle around the rest of the Nation Football League.
Jane Danis continues to play well, Like how much of
it is Kingsbury?
Speaker 1 (23:14):
How much of it is Daniels.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (23:17):
I think it's a wonderful combination. And I think that's why,
you know, we talked about him early in the season
in what he's been able to do and what I
think he's going to be able to accomplish. This is
a young guy that went to the right offensive coordinator
who knows how to use an athletic quarterback but understands
that fundamentally he can throw first and he's putting them
in great spots. But I mean that's completely percentages out
of sight and that is processing. But the coaches talk
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about it. Dan Quinn talked about it, Clise kny Berrys
talked about it. The guy grinds, he works his tailoffs,
they say it, they spent. They've talked about it. And
that was part of my reason why I had him
as a Rookie of the Year before the season started,
because I'd talked to some people in the commander's organization
and like, this guy's different. And you know, at the
young quarterback, you think you know how much work it's
going to be until you're actually there, and then as
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youre a veteran, you've kind of seen different guys come
through the building, and he had to everybody's eyeballs in
terms of like this guy really does, of this guy's
really working, and it's awesome to see it pay off.
To see them at three and one and have a
chance to go to four and one against the Cleveland Browns.
You know, it's impressive and it also speaks to Dan
Quinn and his ability to help lead players.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Mark Domini's joining us in the Doug Gottleib Show course,
former gentle manager of the Tampay Buccaneers. He joins his
weekly throughout the football season. I wanted to ask you
about the Packers. Obviously got off to slug a start
and some turnovers against the Vikings, end up coming from
behind and making it close. But now a team that
many people thought could win the divisions at two and
two actually in last place in the NFC North. Of course,
they didn't have their quarterback for a couple of games.
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They go out to.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
La take on the Rams.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
What's the state of the Packers from your perspective.
Speaker 11 (24:48):
Yeah, I think it's trying to find, you know, the
comfort within, you know, getting everybody on the field. At
the same time, I think having Jordan Love back out
there is a big piece of it. I know they
came up, like you said, two points short of the Vikings.
They were able to win a couple of games while
he was out. But you know, this is a nice
run for them.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
I think.
Speaker 11 (25:06):
You know, they go out to LA which is the
team that's obviously struggling as well. In my opinion, they
get to come home for three of the next four
after that, in the other road games at Jacksonville, We're
going to learn a lot about the Packers. But I'm
still a big believer. I still think they're the number
two team. As good as Minnesota has been in Minnesota,
schedule gets easier and easier as this thing goes on.
I feel like Minnesota should play five their toughest or
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you know, some of the toughest games already. To me,
I think we underestimated the North. I know we all
felt good about the Detroit Lions, we felt good about
the Packers. I didn't see the spiking teams coming through.
I know you were a much bigger Sam Darnald fan
than almost anybody, and you saw a little bit of
the hope and potential there. And now I think this
is going to become a great battle. But I think
three mind Packers are in this. I think there are
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postseason team. I think they'll kind of right the ship
here against the Rams, and then again they got two
straight home games, which is really big for them.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Yeah, my thought on Donald was obviously I've always liked him,
but I also like the fact that one he has
really talented guys too. He's got a i think stud
coach who was a you know, backup journeyman quarterback.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
I think that helps. And then the knowledge of the system.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Having been in San Francisco, you know, I mean so
many times these guys start bouncing around as the backup
quarterback and it's either a new system that they got
to learn and teach, or they're just kind of the
spokesperson for that system and they follow around the same
offensive coording, or they bringing into what San Francisco did
and then giving him Aaron Jones and Justin Jefferson and
what they have I did see some success. The great
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thing about them, right is that there's no rush for
them to, you know, make any sort of adjustment with J. J.
McCarthy because JJ's not going to be back, and we
can see if this is short term and long term success.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Is that fair?
Speaker 11 (26:45):
I think it's very fair. I think that's a very
good observation, and I think it is great. You know,
this is the again, I think a Vikings team that
schedules opening up for them, I think it's going to
get me a much easier. I mean, but at the
same point, you know, I think these three teams are
all really in a great battle. But when you look
at the Viking down the road and you think about it,
you've got Rams, Colds, Jaguars, Titaned Bears, Cardinals, Bears. You know,
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there's a lot of games that you're sitting. Boy, that's
a lot that could be a lot of wins.
Speaker 5 (27:15):
You know.
Speaker 11 (27:15):
For JJ, you know it's going to be you know,
sit back and learn and watch. Not the worst thing
for him, and that obviously the worst thing for Sam Donalds.
A good problem to have.
Speaker 6 (27:24):
They have two quarterbacks.
Speaker 11 (27:25):
You're excited about an organization that's a that's I'm sure it.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Is interesting, right, I mean, think about last night we
saw cousins Gino as Dan Buyer, who's a huge Seahawks
fam But he point out which I think is right,
which is like Gene's miss good enough, ain't that great?
Speaker 1 (27:40):
But he's not terrible he's good enough.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
And then we got Donald Baker Mayfield, other guy who
quote unquote failed or didn't stick in their first spot,
but then gets additional opportunities down the road and teams
are having.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Success with them.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
One reason they're having success is those guys aren't making
top dollars, so there's more talent around them. And the
other reason is these guys have been through the league.
But I guess my question is, you know there's been
this push over the last I don't know, fifteen years.
Always play the guy early and these are guys that
all played early and all flamed out.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Is this you know?
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Now watching J J McCarthy City year, should we be
rethinking that considering how many quarterbacks have had success in
their second stop because they played too early.
Speaker 11 (28:23):
Yeah, I think that's the real thing. I think that
we've seen in different spots. I mean, I think whether
or not the Shawn Kaiser was ever going to be good,
they forced him into action. When you think about him
his rookie year, he's like, well, Hugh Jackson like he's
our best quarterback in the roster. Well, that doesn't mean
you should play him because you can ruin him. You know,
you think about Carr's brother down in Houston and how
he got just obliterated, and then you can talk about
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these I've always believed that you should let a quarterback sit.
You know, I did it for seven weeks when I
was a GM, My first round quarter draft quarterback sat.
We were zero and seven. Doug he comes in and
we beat the Green Bay Packers, and you know, it's like, wow, Okay,
so now we've got some hope on this organization. Everybody
started believing in it, and he had to just kind
of sit and learn. And I think that's not a
bad thing. You can point to a lot of quarterbacks.
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You can point to a few that Week one they
go in and they play, but I think more often
than not, the more they can sit and watch for
a little bit. But the thing that's critical to me
is if they can, they've got to find a way
to get some tape during that rookie season, whether that's
mop up duty or a solo start, or somewhere along
line where they can at least have something to really
look at. And that's why I think was critical for
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Patrick Mahomes. Even though it was the one game against
the Denver broncly through two interceptions. The first still in
the game, You're like, Okay, who decides to make that
throw like that? That's not normal? And so you just
already knew that this is gonna be great. He's gonna
have a lot of chance to learn on this and
kind of grow with it. So it's getting some tape,
but I think the patient is the virtue. I still
think Drake makes could have started this week in my opinion,
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based off of the schedules that they have in front
of them, I think it would have been the perfect
times when sir Drake May going forward. Obviously, you know,
coach Mayo sees that differently, but you know, I don't
think we're too oft from watching Drake May take over
that Patriots team. I feel like it should have been
the up to Dolphins, but obviously they see it different.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Dolphins are kind of screwed here, right because they have
so much money tied up in TUA that they can't
go out and get another quarterback in the off season.
And if they're bad, they got to I guess draft
a quarterback. But then you just signed to it to
a big extension. And as as I've read, and you
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tell me if I'm wrong. The way in which he
gets paid and he gets out the books is if
somebody makes him retire, but you can't make him. If
he decides to retire on his own, well, then he's
not going to get nearly all the money.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
So what do you do? Let's start with short term
your Chris career. What do you do in Miami? Because
Skyler Thompson's justn't appear to be good enough right?
Speaker 6 (30:47):
Uh?
Speaker 11 (30:47):
You know in Huntley either, And I think that's where
you know you've got. I think they looked at as
soon as happened. I think everybody kind of put their
eye within the organization in the bye week and said, okay,
let's see where it is after the bube. There's no
reason to rushing back over the next few games. Let's
get through these and then kind of reassess where to
it is, where his mindset is, family, et cetera. That
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I think, to your point is what no matter what
happens to it and the rest of the season. I
think the Dolphins have to be a buyer in the
draft at rookie quarterback, probably either around one or round
two for sure, because you have to bounce yourself and
you can because that contract is so affordable in terms
of quarterback that you can still have the highest paye
you know, one of the high paid quarterbacks in the
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league and still invest the first or second round pick
that's going to cost you two and a half to
you know, maybe three million dollars a year on average
over the first four years, maybe less dependent where you
take him. If it's like the twentieth kick in the
draft or something like that, it's gonna be less expensive
as you keep going on. But I think you have
to build your franchise to protect it always, especially that position.
And I think that's the mindset you have to have.
And I don't think it's another veteran. I think if
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you feel like to him might be able to do it,
you go with it. I look at this one and
like I said, I think you don't pressure to it
a coming back. If he comes back, he does, if
he does.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
And he doesn't.
Speaker 11 (32:01):
But the draft is your only way out of the situation.
It's not finding Baker Mayfield. You've got to find a
young quarterback that you can have on a rookie salary
for three or four years, because if you go get
a veteran who plays ball from one season. Suddenly he's
going on thirty five forty five fifty five million dollars
in a dolphin hole bible to do it for two
more years.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
It's a bit of a conundrum, Mark, great stuff has
always been enjoyed the football. I know there's been just
terrible stories of everybody down in Tampa with the weather,
with the hurricane.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
We hope everybody close to you and that you know,
is safe.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
I know you were in Nashville at the time, but
still it's still obviously a big topic and our thoughts
and prayers go out to everyone down in Tampa.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Mark, thanks so much for joining us on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 11 (32:41):
Thanks I appreciateing me on enjoying the games Yourselfudy.
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Speaker 1 (33:00):
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Speaker 9 (33:06):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
What do you have there?
Speaker 8 (33:16):
Dammar Doug The game on this Friday is I got dims.
All right, This is where we throw out a topic
and we get to jump in with our favorite I
guess our favorites. What we get DIBs on topic number
one today most memorable baseball walkoffs.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
I got divs. I got DIBs.
Speaker 6 (33:36):
Let's see twenty six years ago today, Yes, twenty six
years ago. On October fifteenth, nineteen eighty eight, Kurk Gibson
stepped up against Dennis Eckersley. Eckersley had given up exactly
one earned run all season, and he gave up a
two run homer to Kurk Gibson with Mike Davis on
second base. The Dodgers would go on to win the
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series in five games.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
It was It's one of the most amazing sports moments
of my life.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
That was incredible.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Okay, I got a couple, obviously, the the Kirk Gibson ones.
I think you almost like remove that from the list.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
I do what we can because it's already been taken.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
So no, I under said what I'm saying, like I
think all others don't match up. Buyer, I'm gonna need
you on this one. Albert Poole's hit went off. Brad Lidge,
I don't think it was a walk off though, is
my only problem with you?
Speaker 1 (34:30):
No?
Speaker 4 (34:30):
Because it was because he was.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
In Houston, right, Yeah, Yeah, that's a tough one.
Speaker 8 (34:36):
Well, as you stall, I'll take Rent Area. I'll take
Edgar rent Areas against Cleveland. And I know Cleveland doesn't
want to hear that with their but that stadium was, Yeah,
it was such a mess. Plus, my college roommates were
from Cleveland and they were all about the Indians and
there was something about them seeing them lose to the
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paid for then Florida Arlins and winning that series.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
So give me Edgar rent Area in ninety seven like
that one.
Speaker 7 (35:06):
I got DIBs on Roger Connor's Grand Slam in eighteen
eighty one, believed to be the first Grand Slam in
MLB history, a walk off Grand Slam that gave the
Troy Trojans an eight to seven win. The Troy Trojans
guys also played Iowa football earlier this season. In reality, guys,
the Troy Trojans were actually an MLB team for four
seasons in the National League based out of Upstate New York.
Speaker 8 (35:27):
All right, aka the four Connors as they said, the
very nice that's what the newspaper said, was the.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
Time memorable memorable? Right?
Speaker 7 (35:36):
We all remember Roger Connor's Grand Slam, don't we the
first MLB history in eighteen eighty one?
Speaker 4 (35:40):
Of course we do?
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Didn't did was Pryce Harper's a walk off against the
Padres two years ago?
Speaker 4 (35:48):
Gosh, I don't you know? He had a couple, didn't he?
Speaker 1 (35:51):
I thought it was NLCS. I think it ended the series.
I'll tell you what this is again, I'm not history.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
This may be the test. We don't know, but that.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Because it's not me that memorable.
Speaker 6 (36:07):
Yeah, I think if you have to ask, it wasn't
how about Joe Carter? Not you?
Speaker 4 (36:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Yeah, that's big one.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
Luis Gonzales, I think is the other one.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
I actually think I have the most.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
I don't know, it's not the most memorable, but it
was the most important one because they were down their
last strike and it was David Freese's Game seven in
two thousand and eleven, and I remember exactly where I
was watching that one. They take on take on Texas Rangers,
and Freeze I think he hit a home run in
uh In, like in the ninth inning. I want to say,
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to extend the game. They were down the last strike.
Then they were down to the last strike again, and
that was when Joe buck the tip of the captain
that his dad will see you tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
I mm hmmm. That was good.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
It was good, really really good.
Speaker 8 (36:54):
It is also a shot heard around the world, Bobby
Thompson famous one, but none of us were around for.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
Was it?
Speaker 4 (37:00):
Bill Mazeroski nineteen sixty the Yankees?
Speaker 1 (37:05):
What about to Aaron Boons? Uh?
Speaker 4 (37:08):
Big Apple? Sam didn't have that one?
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (37:11):
Yeah, Well you know Detroit Trojans, right, those upstart Yankees.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Yeah, those hard travel upstart game.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Those four guys, they just they don't even get per
diem on the road like they you guys.
Speaker 7 (37:22):
I've been Troy Trojans fan before I was a Yankees fan, right,
eighteen eighty one.
Speaker 8 (37:27):
Yeah, I'm surprised Sam didn't go with Kurry puckettead one.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Remember Curry Pucket had won? Uh? What was the game?
Speaker 4 (37:35):
Nineteen eighty seven or nineteen ninety one?
Speaker 2 (37:37):
One ninety one ninety one Metro Dome, Homer Dome, No
Homer Dome.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
By the way, Kirry Bucket, sninky.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
Bad guy, right, awful dude, awful, awful.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Awful human being. I forgot the big one, but it
wasn't a walk off. Eighty six ALCS Dave Henderson off
the late Downnymore wasn't a walk off though, because it
was it was in Anaheim.
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Speaker 2 (00:37):
I think the only two groups of people that didn't
like last night were Brewer fans and Buccaneer fans. It's
not really like a huge group of Buccaneer fans. Brewer
fans and I live around all of them. They're like,
how could you say that? What an amazing night, amazing night.
And here the Brewers were, what was it? They were
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two outs away, two outs away from from advancing, and
a three run home run changes all that. And then
of course Kirk Cousins throws a pick late in the
fourth corner, only to get another opportunity that they come back,
tie it, send it to overtime and win on this
final pass. This was the final pass of regulation, by
the way, which send it to overtime.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Oh this is sorry.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
This is Kirk Cousins on the final pass of regulation
with time running out.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
They were living dangerously. The call came in. It was
it was a ball's got to go to the sideline.
You know, every route was to the sideline. And then
he changed his mind. He said, you know what, Kirk
ripped this slant and let's let's clock it and see
if we can do it. And uh, we were.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Able to do it by one second.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Really amazing. Here's Cousins in the locker room with his
team after the game. Here's Raheem Morris, the new head
coach Atlanta Falcons, said this about caderill Hodge.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
It was not just about him. We talked about this thing, Tory,
and we said we got here. We said this team
was created with our old team that's on an organization
with fifty three man roster, with all the sixteen practice
squad guys. We said, as one big team, we're all
together and he's no different.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
And when his numbers called two.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
Weeks in a row, scoring a touchdown, whether it's on
special teams, whether it's on offense, excited to know.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Who he is and what he's made of and what
he is about.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
I mean, just really really incredible for Hodge. And of
course he catches that ball as just a I mean,
I don't know, we used to call it a button hook, right,
just turns catches bad tackling by Tampa and like the
Red Sea at parts and number twelve runs in for
a touchdown with like eight forty to go in overtime.
Just kind of an amazing end to a football game, right,
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amazing end of a football game. This is coming on
the heels of an amazing end to the baseball game.
Here's my question of today. Okay, Falcons come from behind
and win, and everything we thought about Kirk Cousin may
in fact be incorrect.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Right.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Kirk Cousins was known as a guy who couldn't play
in the big games. He was the primetime killer, he
was the guy who got too tight. Of course, he
went on the road and beat the Saints in the playoffs,
and people thought, well, maybe that's that eliminates it.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
No, it's not big enough.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
And then now he's two and zero in primetime games
in Atlanta Falcons uniform, this later on his career, coming
off an Achilles ten in tear.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
So the part of it is it takes.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Incredible fortitude and meplemental toughness to play long enough to
eventually overcome these narratives. Lebron James did it. And I'm
not saying Kirk Cousins is Lebron James, but Lebron James. Remember,
we'd go back to the Dallas series and he was
seen as a guy who wasn't ready for the big moment.
Then he was ready for the big moment, and then
he's since won four NBA titles and now he's won
another gold medal. And part of it is we do
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jump to conclusions a little bit. I know, I have
friends who played with him in Minnesota and they all
said it was a real thing. He was clearly tight
when they would play the bigger games, the standalone games,
the primetime games. But as most of us do, as
you age, you can process things a little bit better.
And the best thing about Kirk Cousins is I don't
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think he's acting like I think the rohole Russell Wilson thing,
the id aug shucks, I'm trying to be a good guy.
And also thing I think he's acting. I don't think
Kirk Cousins is. I think he's just a dorky, nerdy
dad who's really good at football, and he leans into that.
And once you can kind of be yourself and not
try to be anybody else and just go play football,
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that's when.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
You can ultimately be successful.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
And oh yeah, by the way, be embraced for it.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Be embraced for it.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
But here's the question of the day I have, and
I know I'll give you my answer to it. And
I understand there's more at stake when there's playoffs and
regular season, But isn't the ending of baseball better than
the ending of football?
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Even at the ending of football.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Was equally kind of quick, right, They did feel like, wait,
the Falcons are gonna they're gonna lose this game. No weight,
they got it back, no weight, they're gonna run out
of time, no weight, they got it done. They kick
a field goal, then you go to overtime, and then one,
you know, then this one play just a really quick,
you know, little route usually against the zone, just a
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little dig route ends up being a touchdown. But I
wonder if baseball's ending is better because of essentially the
three point play, right, the home run is worth three
runs in this particular instance, I don't know which ending
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did you think was better? Which ending do you think
is more memorable? And as much as right now, we're
gonna say the Mets a couple things won.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
It wasn't the end of the game. The Brewers did
get a chance to hit it again.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Secondly, we're going to forget about great early playoff, wild card,
divisional round matchups.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
That's just the reality of it, just the reality of it.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
And it's still the Brewers and Mets. It's not the
Yankees or the Dodgers. On the other hand, we're talking
Falcons in Tampa and Thursday night football and a streaming service.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
If it's me, I think it's.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Baseball because the baseball moment is and and Jase Dow,
I'm going to credit you because you said it.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
It's the baseball.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
It can be really hard to watch, can be a
really long and really boring, and you'll sit with people
that don't like baseball and go.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Like, why do you watch this crap. Why it's so.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Slow, it's so boring, there's too many games, and then
you're like, okay, we watch the playoffs and you're still like, yeah,
it's to nothing, like there's nothing really to this. And
they walk a guy and get it hits first and third,
and now all a sudden, everybody gets hype and wait,
he just hit one out of the park and now
you're down three too, just like that, Jase, do which
ending was better for you?
Speaker 6 (06:51):
Well, just to clarify something, I'm never bored by baseball.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
I will no, no, no, no, But but people are.
Speaker 6 (06:58):
Okay, no, no, I understand that sentiment. What my point was,
major League Baseball has done a lot in recent years
to piss me off. Whether it's now we're allowed to
celebrate after every single whether it's now let's fade the
lights on every home run and let's have blaring music
between innings, and let's speed up the game that I
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didn't think needed speed it up and speeding up. But
moments like last night make me fall in love with
the sport again. That's my point. You see something like
that and you're like, that's why I'm never going to
leave this game, all.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Right, how about you. I was sam which ending was better.
Speaker 7 (07:45):
I'm gonna go with the Mets as well. I thought
that was one of the best Thursday night football games
I've ever seen, at least from, you know, scoring an
entertainment the scoring an entertainment point of view, But that
ending for the Mets and just where the Mets have
been in like what kind of franchise they are?
Speaker 4 (07:59):
That was that was very memorable.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Okay, wait, that one.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
I have to kind of slam the brakes on for
a second because that's one of those Met woe is
Me sentiment that's not actually close to being accurate. And
I'm not saying you are. I think to what you're
doing is you're following the narrative. Mets fans act like
all they do is suck, and they've always sucked. And
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it's been like forty years in the you know, forty
years in the desert, right when this is their second
playoff appearance in the last three years. They won one
hundred and one games. Two years ago. Yes, COVID year,
they were terrible. After COVID year, they were bad. They
have alternated in between bad years. But if you want
to go in the last ten years, They've won ninety
eighty seven, seventy seventy seven, eighty six. The COVID year
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they won twenty six seventy seven, one hundred and one,
seventy five eighty nine. Where is the woe is me?
The Mets had been bad for a long time. I'm
waiting for it. Fall for that, Sam, don't fall.
Speaker 7 (09:00):
From I don't think it comes to mind when I
think about the Mets except for their World Series appearance
nine years ago. Honestly, they just they don't.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
How many well, how many other teams have been in
the World Series since?
Speaker 7 (09:14):
Uh, every many years since two teams each year?
Speaker 1 (09:18):
I understand how many other teams? By point?
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Like, how many World Series are the Dodgers been the
dominant team in the National League? How many World Series
are the Dodgers been to in that same period.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Of time three at least?
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Okay, and that's the most dominant team. Like, it's really
really hard. They haven't been a joke. They've been a
laughing stock in baseball, them in the Chicago White Sox
right now that they just haven't like now the Mets,
if you want to say they've been guilty of anything.
There was a long time there where they kind of
mirrored the Knicks in that they would never just be
super bad to end up being really, really good. But
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I'm just the whole reason that the Mets have gotten
discussed over the last decade is just like the Jets,
just like Syracuse. Is half of the half of the
people in our profession went to Syracuse and our Nicks
Mets gets fans.
Speaker 8 (10:12):
Oh, it's so true. It is one hundred percent true.
The Mets were treated like the team that had their
manager leave them for their rival, that had their star
player be injured in the middle of the season and
not be able to return, That they had their best
pitcher leave because they weren't willing to pay him enough
money and had another starting pitcher be injured. That's how
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the Mets were treated last night. Oh and by the way,
that was the Brewers. And the guy who was now
running the Mets front office was the guy who built
the Brewers team as we know it as of now,
David Stearns, who had been rumored to be going to
the Mets for years and years and years and finally
took over as their president of baseball operations.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Listen, the Mets have the number one payroll in all
of baseball. Okay, one hundred and seventeen million dollars. The Brewers, who,
as Dan properly pointed out, their manager left for the Cubs.
Do you know how bad that hurts? Do you understand
what it's like in Milwaukee? Walking is like an hour
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and a half in Chicago to lose them to the Cubs.
They have the twenty first payroll and then they've lost
picture after picture their best players on the shelf.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Tried to fight through it with the back issue. Yeah. Again,
I'm just Sam.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
I'm not saying I don't know more about baseball than
you do, but I'm just telling you all of this
is that it's a media create.
Speaker 7 (11:35):
Less so about the narrative is actually my point, more
so just the ending and how they advanced. I mean, yes,
I the narrative played into my opinion a little bit.
But if you have the highest payroll in baseball and
you're underwhelming, and really nothing was expected of them this
year and they outperformed, I thought that's cool.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Well, they had injuries to start the years, you know
they last year they had injuries, crazy injuries in spring training, right,
I mean, Diaz was the best closure in baseball two
years ago, and then he gets hurt. They had just
a litany of other injuries. They scrap everything to spend
a bunch of money. I mean, you spend three hundred
million dollars, you don't make the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Like, dude, what so buyer, what do you think what's better?
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Ending? Well, I mean baseball was.
Speaker 8 (12:15):
I mean, as much as I wanted the Brewers to win,
and I don't live and die with the Brewers, but
if I picked any team to win a World Series,
it would be then that would be the team that
I that I cheered for. And when Pete Alonso hit
the home run, there was a bit of a sinking feeling.
And you can't deny walk single and home run, and
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all of a sudden it's a completely different ballgame.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Ending?
Speaker 8 (12:38):
Is what postseason baseball is about? In fact, to me
on a grander scale, it verified or validated what Major
League Baseball wanted to do. And now you're making more
interesting games. You may not like the three game series,
but you can't argue what last night did you provided
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in an area that.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Was never mindy before.
Speaker 8 (13:03):
It's like you find gold in an area that you
had no idea could actually be there, so I give
them credit for all of that, but yeah, it's still stung.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Oh man, what an ended and it was so weird.
So let me give you can' I give you my
night real quick. I had a question, Dan, I'm sorry.
Speaker 8 (13:19):
No, I just you know, there's another part of this
is did you guys hear the Bob Buker call you
guys heard about I don't know if we have it
in the system. I've got it on my computer if
you needed to play it. But this is the other
part of it. And Christian Yelich was in the Brewers
dugout Last or excuse me clubhouse last night and was
in tears, not because they lost, but because of the
conversation that he had with Bob Yuker, who went around
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to each player in the post game show, and Bob
Buker's ninety and there's no idea when Bob Bucher is
finally going to hang things up. But it was an
emotional call. So for as great as the Met's call was,
and that was getting all the pub I actually do
have the.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Brewers call one.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
That's a good I think that's yeah, that's that's my bad.
That's my bad on that.
Speaker 8 (14:04):
No, it's just the the different window was open. Here
was what Here's what it sounded like with Bob Yuker
last night and calling the final out of that game three.
Speaker 6 (14:16):
Well, New York they did it, and.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
We'll have it in tonight.
Speaker 7 (14:34):
Really a crushing into what was a fabulous.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
Season for the Milwaukee Brewers.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
And that one.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Had some string on it. So that was Bob Yuker
And so I think that that hits onto a lot
of a lot of places last night. So that made
my heart hurt a little bit.
Speaker 8 (14:54):
Yeah, but mister New York Sam, Iowa Sam. There, we
call New York Sam. You know New York Sam.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Oh, the poor Mets. They haven't done anything.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
It's just, oh gosh, this ragtag bunch of losers that
got picked up on the street, off the waiver wire
and thrown together at the last moment somehow overcame the
lofty payroll and uh and made it to another round
of the playoffs. I love Sam, God lamb for Sam.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Yes, that yeah, that one. That one's Byron.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
I Byron.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
I know how this I mean, this is like it's
like it's Jason Smith's a perfect example, right. I love
Jason he's on at Night with Mike with with Mike Harmon,
but he talks about the Mets as if they've been
the old Brooklyn Dodgers.
Speaker 7 (15:42):
Clearly, Jason, Jason and Smith and Rich Davis have brainwashed
me with all their constant, just repetition of takes about
the Mets are the lovable loser.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
New York Sam, Big York's Big.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
I like Big Apple, Sam, Yeah, Big, I like Big Apple.
That's that's not bad.
Speaker 9 (15:59):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on
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Speaker 1 (16:10):
Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Look at You, Sammy, That's New York Sam.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
On the Ones and twos.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
They call me the big Crab Apple Real.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Huey Lewis is like in Montana. What happened where he
can't perform anymore?
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Is his voice or is hnd It's something with his
vocal cords.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Man that sucks. Huey Lewis and the News. If you're
in the band and they say are you in the band?
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Yeah? What band you in?
Speaker 2 (16:44):
I'm in the News Or do you say I'm with
Huey Lewis and we're the News.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Could be confusing.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
It could be very confusing because even though the News
was part of Huey Lewis The News, I don't know
if anybody would have known.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Them as the news.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Just anyway, big story in the in the NFL outside
of last night. I want to get the last night's
game and a second with Mark Dominic. Of course, former
Joe manager of the Tampay Buccaneers. Aaron Rodgers possibly reuniting
with Davante Adams. Davante Adams has preferred to be traded.
Most people think his preferred destinations be the Jets of
Aaron Rodgers or with their carr with an Orland Saints,
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other teams in need of a wide receiver, potentially a
Buffalo or maybe a Kansas City. Here's Aaron Rodgers when
he was asked about Davante Adams.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
I don't know how much I can say about it.
Speaker 10 (17:32):
There's tampering, but I still have a close friendship with him.
We spend time in the off season together. He's a
great guy and great player and thrust that out of
my hands.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Here's Aaron Rodgers talking about the grass being greener.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
The grass is green where you water it.
Speaker 10 (17:48):
You know, there's the fear mongering that goes along with
the adage that the grass is not always greener on
the other side. But grass is green where you water
and you put the time and you put intention intention
into whatever you're doing, and you can make a special
situation out of being anywhere.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Okay, that sounds good, but it feels like the opposite.
It does feel like both of those guys thought, you know, thought,
hey man, we're really gonna this is gonna be awesome
in our new spot. Now you find out your new
spot is wildly dysfunctional. Raiders and Jets, let's welcome in
Mark Dominic.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Mark.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Let me ask you first, Devontae Adams, what's his values?
It's one you're left in this deal doesn't appear to
be the same player, but some of it is also
who he's playing with. What's his value in the open market,
on the trade.
Speaker 11 (18:35):
Market, Doug, I think it's a good question. I don't
know if you can get a one for DeVante Adams.
It'd be hard pressed to do that as an organization.
I do think a two would be something that you
would think you could easily ask for. I mean Obviously
the Raiders gave up a one and the two to
acquire him a few years back, but I think a
two is probably fair market value. I think a one
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would be really stretching or pushing it.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
All right, what about the idea of joining Rogers or
joining Derek Carr, what's a better fit?
Speaker 11 (19:06):
Well, I mean, I guess, you know, Garrett Wilson's been
just you know, double team and triple teams and so
to get I think, you know, DeVante Adams. The Jets
to me seems like a little bit better of a spot,
and I think it's a better you know, possible ending
the center obviously in contention, you know last night's game
was I think it is good for the things that
was obviously for the Alanta Falcons. The sad thing I
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think when I look at this whole thing, Doug is
hebe You've got the Raiders. We're playing the Denver Broncos
who are two and two, and the Raiders are two
and two, and if you win this game, they're kind
of in the playoff hunt, and everybody's like getri to
the player, like it's just you know, it'd be one
thing that the Raiders center pour and Roero and four
and you're like, well, you got to trade DeVonta Adams.
They're just two and two and they can beat the
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Denver Broncos. I think they're good to do that. And
they're three and two, and suddenly you know you're star
receiver doesn't want to be there when you actually are
in the hunt for the playoffs. That's the sad part
of this whole conversation.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Opinion.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
I would agree with you. I would completely agree with you.
Let's get to last night's game. Your biggest takeaway.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Is what.
Speaker 11 (20:09):
Tackling need to improve in the National Football League. There
was a lot of misstackles out there in the field.
That's why we saw so many points. You know, I
was going to I was pretty disappointed Raheem Morris's decision
at halftime to punt the ball. I think it's the
first time I saw the punt of the entire game,
and it was only nineteen seconds left, and I'm.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
Like to go for it.
Speaker 11 (20:25):
You know, see what you can do here because no
one really could stop anybody. But I think it goes
down to the beauty is the game isn't over till
it's over. And you could see that there were some
throws last night, but there was Baker Mayfield's gorgeous touchdown
pass or a couple that Kirk Cousins said. They just
let their guys gon make plays. Yeah, the placement was unbelievable,
but it was just as like a good thing. Nothing
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bad happened. But that's the difference between a veteran quarterback
and a quarterback that's gunshy or scared to make the play,
like what's happened to Bryce Young where he doesn't even
make that throat because he's so afraid of what's going
to happen. So two gun players just let out and
trusting that their playmakers are better than the defenders and
proved true all night.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
How were we so and I say we, I'm not
saying you. I would say national media very off about
the NFC South. It's early, Okay, it's it's early, But
how can we be so off about the NFC South,
a division which people are like, I don't really know.
I think something can be good now. It appears to
have some several good teams.
Speaker 11 (21:23):
How do we miss I don't know if we missed
either though, Doug, Yet you know I picked at the
beginning of the preseason the valuk to win the division. Tampa,
you know, had me on the ropes last night for
a little bit there and had a chance to really
kind of pull some separation. I still feel like there's
only going to be one team that comes out of
the South. I still feel like there's going to be
two that come out of the North. I think there's
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going to be two that come out of the East
and two that come out of the West and just
went out of South, and so I think what you're
seeing is, yes, they are good football teams, but over time,
because they're going to be playing each other, they're going
to beat each other up. I still from ten and
seven is going to be as good as you get
out of the South. But you know, it's still way
too early to all that. You know, Tampa lost the
game last night. In my opinion, Atlanta took advantage of it.
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But Kirk Cousins continues to prove why. You know, he's
very disrespected but still can put some magic numbers together,
even when Matt Ryan's getting his jersey retired.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Why is he so disrespected?
Speaker 11 (22:17):
It's the playoff record, you know, it's hard to think
of anything. I think it's you know, his emotional house
perst that will never forget you like that, and then
you kind of sit there and say, yeah, but it's
kind of like the old Matt hassebeak. We're going to
get the ball and win the game, and it doesn't
work out, and you're like, oh, that was a great quote.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
You know.
Speaker 11 (22:32):
Kirk Cousin's kind of been the same way. His postseason
hasn't matched up to his accolades in the regular season
a little bit like Dak Prescott, and I think that's
why he's kind of always been that good, not great.
But you know, you're talking about a fifth game coming
off with an achilles. They spent a lot of time
last night talking about his plant. But on the broadcast,
it's an impressive performance. You know, to go out there.
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It's five hundred yards. I mean, I know this league
is a past happy league. With five hundred yards, that's
an amazing accomplishment.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
No, he was on pace last year to throw for
six thousand yards before he got four he got hurt.
So let's sprinkle around the rest of the Nation Football League.
Jane Danis continues to play well, Like how much of
it is Kingsbury?
Speaker 1 (23:14):
How much of it is Daniels.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (23:17):
I think it's a wonderful combination. And I think that's why,
you know, we talked about him early in the season
in what he's been able to do and what I
think he's going to be able to accomplish. This is
a young guy that went to the right offensive coordinator
who knows how to use an athletic quarterback but understands
that fundamentally he can throw first and he's putting them
in great spots. But I mean that's completely percentages out
of sight and that is processing. But the coaches talk
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about it. Dan Quinn talked about it, Clise kny Berrys
talked about it. The guy grinds, he works his tailoffs,
they say it, they spent. They've talked about it. And
that was part of my reason why I had him
as a Rookie of the Year before the season started,
because I'd talked to some people in the commander's organization
and like, this guy's different. And you know, at the
young quarterback, you think you know how much work it's
going to be until you're actually there, and then as
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youre a veteran, you've kind of seen different guys come
through the building, and he had to everybody's eyeballs in
terms of like this guy really does, of this guy's
really working, and it's awesome to see it pay off.
To see them at three and one and have a
chance to go to four and one against the Cleveland Browns.
You know, it's impressive and it also speaks to Dan
Quinn and his ability to help lead players.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Mark Domini's joining us in the Doug Gottleib Show course,
former gentle manager of the Tampay Buccaneers. He joins his
weekly throughout the football season. I wanted to ask you
about the Packers. Obviously got off to slug a start
and some turnovers against the Vikings, end up coming from
behind and making it close. But now a team that
many people thought could win the divisions at two and
two actually in last place in the NFC North. Of course,
they didn't have their quarterback for a couple of games.
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They go out to.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
La take on the Rams.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
What's the state of the Packers from your perspective.
Speaker 11 (24:48):
Yeah, I think it's trying to find, you know, the
comfort within, you know, getting everybody on the field. At
the same time, I think having Jordan Love back out
there is a big piece of it. I know they
came up, like you said, two points short of the Vikings.
They were able to win a couple of games while
he was out. But you know, this is a nice
run for them.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
I think.
Speaker 11 (25:06):
You know, they go out to LA which is the
team that's obviously struggling as well. In my opinion, they
get to come home for three of the next four
after that, in the other road games at Jacksonville, We're
going to learn a lot about the Packers. But I'm
still a big believer. I still think they're the number
two team. As good as Minnesota has been in Minnesota,
schedule gets easier and easier as this thing goes on.
I feel like Minnesota should play five their toughest or
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you know, some of the toughest games already. To me,
I think we underestimated the North. I know we all
felt good about the Detroit Lions, we felt good about
the Packers. I didn't see the spiking teams coming through.
I know you were a much bigger Sam Darnald fan
than almost anybody, and you saw a little bit of
the hope and potential there. And now I think this
is going to become a great battle. But I think
three mind Packers are in this. I think there are
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postseason team. I think they'll kind of right the ship
here against the Rams, and then again they got two
straight home games, which is really big for them.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Yeah, my thought on Donald was obviously I've always liked him,
but I also like the fact that one he has
really talented guys too. He's got a i think stud
coach who was a you know, backup journeyman quarterback.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
I think that helps. And then the knowledge of the system.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Having been in San Francisco, you know, I mean so
many times these guys start bouncing around as the backup
quarterback and it's either a new system that they got
to learn and teach, or they're just kind of the
spokesperson for that system and they follow around the same
offensive coording, or they bringing into what San Francisco did
and then giving him Aaron Jones and Justin Jefferson and
what they have I did see some success. The great
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thing about them, right is that there's no rush for
them to, you know, make any sort of adjustment with J. J.
McCarthy because JJ's not going to be back, and we
can see if this is short term and long term success.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Is that fair?
Speaker 11 (26:45):
I think it's very fair. I think that's a very
good observation, and I think it is great. You know,
this is the again, I think a Vikings team that
schedules opening up for them, I think it's going to
get me a much easier. I mean, but at the
same point, you know, I think these three teams are
all really in a great battle. But when you look
at the Viking down the road and you think about it,
you've got Rams, Colds, Jaguars, Titaned Bears, Cardinals, Bears. You know,
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there's a lot of games that you're sitting. Boy, that's
a lot that could be a lot of wins.
Speaker 5 (27:15):
You know.
Speaker 11 (27:15):
For JJ, you know it's going to be you know,
sit back and learn and watch. Not the worst thing
for him, and that obviously the worst thing for Sam Donalds.
A good problem to have.
Speaker 6 (27:24):
They have two quarterbacks.
Speaker 11 (27:25):
You're excited about an organization that's a that's I'm sure it.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Is interesting, right, I mean, think about last night we
saw cousins Gino as Dan Buyer, who's a huge Seahawks
fam But he point out which I think is right,
which is like Gene's miss good enough, ain't that great?
Speaker 1 (27:40):
But he's not terrible he's good enough.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
And then we got Donald Baker Mayfield, other guy who
quote unquote failed or didn't stick in their first spot,
but then gets additional opportunities down the road and teams
are having.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Success with them.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
One reason they're having success is those guys aren't making
top dollars, so there's more talent around them. And the
other reason is these guys have been through the league.
But I guess my question is, you know there's been
this push over the last I don't know, fifteen years.
Always play the guy early and these are guys that
all played early and all flamed out.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Is this you know?
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Now watching J J McCarthy City year, should we be
rethinking that considering how many quarterbacks have had success in
their second stop because they played too early.
Speaker 11 (28:23):
Yeah, I think that's the real thing. I think that
we've seen in different spots. I mean, I think whether
or not the Shawn Kaiser was ever going to be good,
they forced him into action. When you think about him
his rookie year, he's like, well, Hugh Jackson like he's
our best quarterback in the roster. Well, that doesn't mean
you should play him because you can ruin him. You know,
you think about Carr's brother down in Houston and how
he got just obliterated, and then you can talk about
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these I've always believed that you should let a quarterback sit.
You know, I did it for seven weeks when I
was a GM, My first round quarter draft quarterback sat.
We were zero and seven. Doug he comes in and
we beat the Green Bay Packers, and you know, it's like, wow, Okay,
so now we've got some hope on this organization. Everybody
started believing in it, and he had to just kind
of sit and learn. And I think that's not a
bad thing. You can point to a lot of quarterbacks.
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You can point to a few that Week one they
go in and they play, but I think more often
than not, the more they can sit and watch for
a little bit. But the thing that's critical to me
is if they can, they've got to find a way
to get some tape during that rookie season, whether that's
mop up duty or a solo start, or somewhere along
line where they can at least have something to really
look at. And that's why I think was critical for
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Patrick Mahomes. Even though it was the one game against
the Denver broncly through two interceptions. The first still in
the game, You're like, Okay, who decides to make that
throw like that? That's not normal? And so you just
already knew that this is gonna be great. He's gonna
have a lot of chance to learn on this and
kind of grow with it. So it's getting some tape,
but I think the patient is the virtue. I still
think Drake makes could have started this week in my opinion,
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based off of the schedules that they have in front
of them, I think it would have been the perfect
times when sir Drake May going forward. Obviously, you know,
coach Mayo sees that differently, but you know, I don't
think we're too oft from watching Drake May take over
that Patriots team. I feel like it should have been
the up to Dolphins, but obviously they see it different.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Dolphins are kind of screwed here, right because they have
so much money tied up in TUA that they can't
go out and get another quarterback in the off season.
And if they're bad, they got to I guess draft
a quarterback. But then you just signed to it to
a big extension. And as as I've read, and you
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tell me if I'm wrong. The way in which he
gets paid and he gets out the books is if
somebody makes him retire, but you can't make him. If
he decides to retire on his own, well, then he's
not going to get nearly all the money.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
So what do you do? Let's start with short term
your Chris career. What do you do in Miami? Because
Skyler Thompson's justn't appear to be good enough right?
Speaker 6 (30:47):
Uh?
Speaker 11 (30:47):
You know in Huntley either, And I think that's where
you know you've got. I think they looked at as
soon as happened. I think everybody kind of put their
eye within the organization in the bye week and said, okay,
let's see where it is after the bube. There's no
reason to rushing back over the next few games. Let's
get through these and then kind of reassess where to
it is, where his mindset is, family, et cetera. That
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I think, to your point is what no matter what
happens to it and the rest of the season. I
think the Dolphins have to be a buyer in the
draft at rookie quarterback, probably either around one or round
two for sure, because you have to bounce yourself and
you can because that contract is so affordable in terms
of quarterback that you can still have the highest paye
you know, one of the high paid quarterbacks in the
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league and still invest the first or second round pick
that's going to cost you two and a half to
you know, maybe three million dollars a year on average
over the first four years, maybe less dependent where you
take him. If it's like the twentieth kick in the
draft or something like that, it's gonna be less expensive
as you keep going on. But I think you have
to build your franchise to protect it always, especially that position.
And I think that's the mindset you have to have.
And I don't think it's another veteran. I think if
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you feel like to him might be able to do it,
you go with it. I look at this one and
like I said, I think you don't pressure to it
a coming back. If he comes back, he does, if
he does.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
And he doesn't.
Speaker 11 (32:01):
But the draft is your only way out of the situation.
It's not finding Baker Mayfield. You've got to find a
young quarterback that you can have on a rookie salary
for three or four years, because if you go get
a veteran who plays ball from one season. Suddenly he's
going on thirty five forty five fifty five million dollars
in a dolphin hole bible to do it for two
more years.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
It's a bit of a conundrum, Mark, great stuff has
always been enjoyed the football. I know there's been just
terrible stories of everybody down in Tampa with the weather,
with the hurricane.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
We hope everybody close to you and that you know,
is safe.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
I know you were in Nashville at the time, but
still it's still obviously a big topic and our thoughts
and prayers go out to everyone down in Tampa.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Mark, thanks so much for joining us on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 11 (32:41):
Thanks I appreciateing me on enjoying the games Yourselfudy.
Speaker 9 (32:44):
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Speaker 2 (32:52):
Stuck Gottleig Show here on Fox Sports Radio every day
at this time. We like to get you, I don't know,
a different way to look at some of the big
stories today.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
We do so by playing a game with Dan Byer.
Speaker 9 (33:06):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
What do you have there?
Speaker 8 (33:16):
Dammar Doug The game on this Friday is I got dims.
All right, This is where we throw out a topic
and we get to jump in with our favorite I
guess our favorites. What we get DIBs on topic number
one today most memorable baseball walkoffs.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
I got divs. I got DIBs.
Speaker 6 (33:36):
Let's see twenty six years ago today, Yes, twenty six
years ago. On October fifteenth, nineteen eighty eight, Kurk Gibson
stepped up against Dennis Eckersley. Eckersley had given up exactly
one earned run all season, and he gave up a
two run homer to Kurk Gibson with Mike Davis on
second base. The Dodgers would go on to win the
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series in five games.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
It was It's one of the most amazing sports moments
of my life.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
That was incredible.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Okay, I got a couple, obviously, the the Kirk Gibson ones.
I think you almost like remove that from the list.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
I do what we can because it's already been taken.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
So no, I under said what I'm saying, like I
think all others don't match up. Buyer, I'm gonna need
you on this one. Albert Poole's hit went off. Brad Lidge,
I don't think it was a walk off though, is
my only problem with you?
Speaker 1 (34:30):
No?
Speaker 4 (34:30):
Because it was because he was.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
In Houston, right, Yeah, Yeah, that's a tough one.
Speaker 8 (34:36):
Well, as you stall, I'll take Rent Area. I'll take
Edgar rent Areas against Cleveland. And I know Cleveland doesn't
want to hear that with their but that stadium was, Yeah,
it was such a mess. Plus, my college roommates were
from Cleveland and they were all about the Indians and
there was something about them seeing them lose to the
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paid for then Florida Arlins and winning that series.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
So give me Edgar rent Area in ninety seven like
that one.
Speaker 7 (35:06):
I got DIBs on Roger Connor's Grand Slam in eighteen
eighty one, believed to be the first Grand Slam in
MLB history, a walk off Grand Slam that gave the
Troy Trojans an eight to seven win. The Troy Trojans
guys also played Iowa football earlier this season. In reality, guys,
the Troy Trojans were actually an MLB team for four
seasons in the National League based out of Upstate New York.
Speaker 8 (35:27):
All right, aka the four Connors as they said, the
very nice that's what the newspaper said, was the.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
Time memorable memorable? Right?
Speaker 7 (35:36):
We all remember Roger Connor's Grand Slam, don't we the
first MLB history in eighteen eighty one?
Speaker 4 (35:40):
Of course we do?
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Didn't did was Pryce Harper's a walk off against the
Padres two years ago?
Speaker 4 (35:48):
Gosh, I don't you know? He had a couple, didn't he?
Speaker 1 (35:51):
I thought it was NLCS. I think it ended the series.
I'll tell you what this is again, I'm not history.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
This may be the test. We don't know, but that.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Because it's not me that memorable.
Speaker 6 (36:07):
Yeah, I think if you have to ask, it wasn't
how about Joe Carter? Not you?
Speaker 4 (36:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Yeah, that's big one.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
Luis Gonzales, I think is the other one.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
I actually think I have the most.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
I don't know, it's not the most memorable, but it
was the most important one because they were down their
last strike and it was David Freese's Game seven in
two thousand and eleven, and I remember exactly where I
was watching that one. They take on take on Texas Rangers,
and Freeze I think he hit a home run in
uh In, like in the ninth inning. I want to say,
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to extend the game. They were down the last strike.
Then they were down to the last strike again, and
that was when Joe buck the tip of the captain
that his dad will see you tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
I mm hmmm. That was good.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
It was good, really really good.
Speaker 8 (36:54):
It is also a shot heard around the world, Bobby
Thompson famous one, but none of us were around for.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
Was it?
Speaker 4 (37:00):
Bill Mazeroski nineteen sixty the Yankees?
Speaker 1 (37:05):
What about to Aaron Boons? Uh?
Speaker 4 (37:08):
Big Apple? Sam didn't have that one?
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (37:11):
Yeah, Well you know Detroit Trojans, right, those upstart Yankees.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Yeah, those hard travel upstart game.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Those four guys, they just they don't even get per
diem on the road like they you guys.
Speaker 7 (37:22):
I've been Troy Trojans fan before I was a Yankees fan, right,
eighteen eighty one.
Speaker 8 (37:27):
Yeah, I'm surprised Sam didn't go with Kurry puckettead one.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Remember Curry Pucket had won? Uh? What was the game?
Speaker 4 (37:35):
Nineteen eighty seven or nineteen ninety one?
Speaker 2 (37:37):
One ninety one ninety one Metro Dome, Homer Dome, No
Homer Dome.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
By the way, Kirry Bucket, sninky.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
Bad guy, right, awful dude, awful, awful.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Awful human being. I forgot the big one, but it
wasn't a walk off. Eighty six ALCS Dave Henderson off
the late Downnymore wasn't a walk off though, because it
was it was in Anaheim.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
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