October 3, 2024 • 36 mins
In this version of Don't Call It A Throwback, Thursday Doug and the crew focus on the 2002 sports year. Doug welcomes NFL Analyst John Middlekauff onto the show to talk about the Jets, the Falcons and all of the other major headlines around the NFL. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a Thursday edition of "The Press".
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Welcome in DG Show broadcast live from pretty sunny here
at Green Bay, Wisconsin. And I actually got excited this
morning because I knew it was Thursday, and I did
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know what year we were doing, but I did know
it's stone call to throwback Thursday.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Right.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Chase two came up of this one, and it's just
his way of being the FM morning DJ.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
He always wanted to be right. That's that's the truth, Jason.
Is that about right? Like that's truthfully?
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Like if I could be the old FM DJ with
these really cool sort of cheesy bits and bringing the
energy every day and then telling wacky stories and making
comments on like you look you at your podcast on
the Bachelor Bachelorette.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
What's it called The Bachelor Lifestyle with Brian Buckner?
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Bachelor Lifestyle Brian Beckner. Bachelor Lifestyle Brian Beckner. So he's
got that working for him and he came up with this.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Now I want to tell the listeners something. By the way,
since you brought this up, I need to I need
to play it. You talk about me always wanted to
be a morning DJ and whatnot. Well, at some point I.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Think everybody want to be a morning DJ, though.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
But so many formally works here put me in a
I did two episodes of Gary Unmarried, and just this
week one of the listeners brought this to my attention
just because somebody passed away this week and they're like, oh,
I remember that from that show. So this is me
being a sports talk show host on Gary Unmarried two
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thousand and ten.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
Ty Coup, Babe Ruth.
Speaker 6 (02:24):
These guys were no saints, and now with all the steroids,
you're going to make an example out of Pete Rose.
In ten years, Pete Rose will be in the Hall
of Fame, you get bet on it.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
I don't take that bet Pete Rose.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Now, granted, not the greatest joke in the world. I
don't know if it warranted that laughter, but I thought
that our listeners are going to kick out of that today.
I want to tell you that this is a segment
that is a work in progress.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
I had a.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
Vision for it. Dan had a vision for it. I
came up with the name, and we're just kind of
working out the quirks, the kinks.
Speaker 7 (03:07):
Okay, time out, time out, what's going on. I had
a vision for it, and then you thought it was
a different vision. Hold up, hold on, yeah, hold up,
hold on, hold up, hold.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
On, wait, wait, wait, okay, okay. So Dan, your vision of.
Speaker 7 (03:20):
It was what I thought we would talk about the
big sports moments that happened in each of these years.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Oh, which is what I thought.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
And then Jay Stew's like, hey, why don't we do
the FM Morning DJ nineteen eighty four was the year
let's talk about what albums were hot.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
So this was how I took Dan's vision. First of all,
I wanted to own the name. Don't call it a throwback.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
That is true. It is is yeah, because.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
I always think it's funny when people say, don't call
it a comeback, and then they tell you they're coming
back from something, so don't call it a throwback. And
then I thought that since every Thursday there's a matchup
on Thursday Night, I could take a past matchup of
those exact teams and then focus on that matchup, and
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then we just make it a conversation about that year
that I choose. So we're gonna kind of do a
hybrid between Dan's initial concept and mine. It goes something
like this, Sam, do you have anything like rewind music
or something to get me into this thing? All right,
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let's rewind it back to December two thousand and two,
twenty two years ago. The Bucks faced the Falcons in
a December game where second year star Michael Vick played
the Buccaneers for the first time, probably the second time
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since they play it twice and twice a year. The
Buccaneers kick their butts. Now the Buccaneers, if you don't recall,
that was the first year that John Gruden co them
and he led them to a Super Bowl title. In
this game, the Bucks really kind of mopped the floor
with the Falcons. It wasn't even close. It was a
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thirty four to ten game. Our guy Brad Johnson led
the Bucks in passing. Mike Alstott starred.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Playing the Bucks.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Great name those.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Great defensive names for the Bucks that are all Hall
of famers, including John winch On, A, Rodney Barber if
he's in the Hall of Fame, Derek Brooks. It was
just a one win on the way to their one
Super Bowl I guess, their first Super Bowl championship. And
what I remember most from that year was this John
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Gruden thing to where like he led a team to
a Super Bowl and he defeated a Raider team that
he had just built and left the year before. It's
like it doesn't get enough credit, I think in the
history of coaching. John Gruden built this Raiders team that
eventually went to the Super Bowl and lost to a
team that he coached.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Pretty amazing uh humble bragg I was there. Remember Barrett
Robbins went missing the morning of the game. Bart Robinson
the All Pro center for the Raiders. And then the
story was that they didn't change any of the audible
calls for rich Gannon, so Tampa literally knew exactly what
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they were going to do with all the with all
the audibles, because they hadn't changed when Gruden was there.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
That is a humble brag that you were there. By
the way this is called.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
You don't call it a throwback, thack thirst throw back.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
We're thrown back to two thousand and one, correct, two
thousand and two, two thousand and two.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Good to know.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
What do you got? Dan? Well?
Speaker 7 (06:52):
As soon as I found out that the year was
two thousand and two, my mind immediately went to college
football and what ended up being the greatest season of
my life in college football. It was the year that
Ohio State went unbeaten and ultimately with Top Miami in
the Fiesta Bowl, the national championship game on the third
day of January in two thousand and three. But the
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two thousand and two season was really dominated by the
Hurricanes as the Buckeyes the second half of the year
with Maurice Clarett's shoulder injury, each week was a nail
bider as they squeaked through the Big Ten wins at Wisconsin,
wins at Northwestern, most notably a win at Purdue on
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a fourth down call that they now call Holy Buckeye
where Craig Crenzall hit Michael Jenkins in the end zone
and what was an awful game? How do I know,
Humblebregg I was there. I was in West Lafayette for
that game. That was what six to three at the time,
and the Buckeye season hanging on the brink in that
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fourth down call, and then they escaped against Michigan with
an interception by Will Allen at the goal line to
preserve their spot in the National Championship game. For as
dominant as Miami was throughout those seasons and that season
as well, Ohio State struggled when Maurice Cloutt went down
with that shoulder injury, and the second half of the
year was just close game after close game after close
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game that just kept on winning them and then ended
up winning the National championship.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
That's going, That's really really going, Sam, you got one
you want up on.
Speaker 8 (08:27):
Absolutely. Ohio State story kind of ties in with Iowa
a little bit. Both teams finished eight to zero in
the Big Ten. They shared the Big Ten championship, but
they did not play each other, so you could really
say they were co Big Ten champions. Of course, Ohio
State with their unbeaten record and i really remember that year.
They Yeah, they won a lot of close games. The
Buckeyes did the Hawkeyes out. If they did not lose
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give up a huge lead to Iowa State at home
earlier in the season, they would have been undefeated. They
I think he was like a twenty four to seven
half time lead. They ended up losing that game, but
they went eight and Oh. They had Brad Banks who
went all the way to the Heisman ceremony, finished second
to Carson Palmer of USC. And when Iowa finished the
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regular season eleven and one, Brad Banks lost the Heisman
to Carson Palmer and they ended up instead of going
to the Rose Bowl, they went to the Orange Bowl
to face those USC Trojans with Carson Palmer, and unfortunately,
outside of an amazing kickoff return for a touchdown to
open the game for Iowa, they folded thirty eight to
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seventeen to those Trojans.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Did the Rose Bowl take Oklahoma? Was that? That's something
like that?
Speaker 8 (09:37):
I think the last the last game of the regular
season was at Minnesota, and that's where Iowa fans were
so exuberant with passion and overjoyed and new fork that
they tore down the Gulpos there at the Hubert H.
Humphrey Metrodome and tried to run out of the rotating
doors with them and they couldn't. They had like saw
him up or something. It was crazy. It was Minnesota
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fans haven't forgive in Iowa for that since. But uh,
they all were. They all had roses in their in
their mouths, you know, like that. That's very very commonplace
picture you see where guys that they finished a big
season they have the rose in their mouth, like we're
going to the Rose Bowl. But they ended up going
to the Orange Bowl and a little bit of a
downturn on the end of the season, but a great
year nonetheless for Iowa. Well yeah, co big Ten champions
there with the Buckeyes.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
So we picked, we picked a year that each of
you had amazing college football memories. Yes, I'm feeling your
passion here and I just looked it up.
Speaker 7 (10:30):
The Orange Bowl actually took Iowa first because they had
the first pick of the teams that weren't in the
title game.
Speaker 8 (10:35):
I think Iowa was third, weren't they, yes, yes, so yeah,
it was sort of.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Like the Orange Bowl wanted Iowa more. They thought they
were going to the Rose.
Speaker 7 (10:43):
They were fifth in the BCS, but third I think
in the Apeak Bowl at the time.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Number one in our hearts, Yeah, number one in our hearts.
Speaker 8 (10:49):
That that Iowa'll just say, I mean that Ohio State
team gave you a lot of future NFL stars. That
that Iowa team gave you, Dallas Clark, Bob Sanders, Robert Gallery,
a lot, a lot of big time players who go
in the NFL and have nice careers. So yeah, that
early two thousand's college football era. It was also sort
of the end of like Miami and Nebraska being powers.
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Like Miami would lose to Ohio State in that National
Championship Game and they started taper off after that. The
previous year, Miami smoked Nebraska in the National Championship Game
and then Nebraska really hasn't been the same since.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
I don't think Miami's fall was that quick.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
But part of it was, you know, they had coaching
changes and then like USC NCAA probation and then you
know those they go probation, then they be fine, then probation,
then they be fine. Sam, Let's let's let's test your
knowledge of that game. What's the most There's there's two
memorable plays in that game Miami Ohio State.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Okay, one of the greatest college football games.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
I think it's probably a better game overall than Texas USC,
but maybe it doesn't get the credit.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
And then there's the controversial call.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
So two big plays everybody knows that everybody remembers that
game by Do you know either one of them?
Speaker 8 (12:05):
Well, one was it was a pass interference on Miami.
It was very controversial that what dan It ended up
pushing the game to overtime.
Speaker 7 (12:12):
It was in the first overtime that Ohio State would
have lost if they didn't call past interference on Miami.
Chris Gamble in the corner of the end zone went
up for it. I still think that past interference happened
before we see it on camera. I agree, and Miami
fans don't want to hear it. But what we saw
in film was not actually where the infraction happened on
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the play.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
I mean, if you watch it still in standard def,
replay is far different. You're like, oh my god, it's
so much better now, yes, yes, and right true.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Then and then it was the same game.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Coming up short on the second big punt.
Speaker 7 (12:52):
Are you talking about Willis mcgahe's knees yes, yes, oh okay, yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
So Willis Mcgahe his knee went backwards. He got hit
like a helmet on the knee, and the actual like
if you bet your knee right now and you made
it like a V, right, imagine the V being in reverse.
That's all I remember about that play. And then you're
sitting there going like I'll never play football again.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Then, well, Spiggs fifteen years.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
He'd kind of defied that and had a nice career,
I'll tell you that.
Speaker 7 (13:22):
Like, Ohio State couldn't do anything on offense in that
National Championship game, but Sean Taylor had an interception in
the end zone that he brought out and then Maurice
Clarette stripped him of the football and so Ohio State
actually retained possession and Miami actually had to kick a
field goal as time expired in the game just descended
into overtime. They also had a first and goal at
the one yard line in the second overtime and we're
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unable to cash it in from one yard out is
Ohio State had a great goal line stand and then
Ken Dorsey was kind of was hurt on one of
the plays left for a snap came back in, but
Miami was unable to cash in from the one yard
line and had four place to do so and couldn't do it.
We could do this whole segment on that game if
we wanted to. But wait, there were other things that
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happened end of the Lakers dynasty. They were all the
three peat two thousand and two.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
I didn't get that was that was we were going around.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Oh I'm sorry, I'm sorry around.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
The going around the thing.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Mine was in the Lakers dynasty two thousand and two
to three peat.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
That's what I just said, Doug.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
But there were lots of other There were lots of
other parts to it that I don't know how much
you remember, right, because they had Peyton, Gary Payton, they
had Karmelone, but they were both hurt, you know, they
had injuries in that and it was it was a
dysfunctional group.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
But there's all other parts to it, right.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Detroit made the mid season trade to get Rashid Wallace.
Rashid Wallace was in Atlanta for like a day but
never played. But that was a gigantic trade for the Pistons,
and no team had ever won all three of those
home games we used to go two three until the
Pistons till the Pistons.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
So I would.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Definitely say there was it was obvious the rip between
Kobe and Shack, but it was not a strong surrounding cast.
It was they went for it with all these big
names and it did not work. Did not work.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
I mean, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
We can't forget Doug's baseball team won their one World
Series championship.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
I ever tell you guys that story of how I
didn't go to Game seven?
Speaker 3 (15:29):
I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Baseball baseball, did.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
You have a coaching clinic that day?
Speaker 2 (15:34):
And sort of sort of?
Speaker 1 (15:37):
So there used to be touring teams that played against
Division one schools, right and a long time ago it
was like Athletes in Action and Phillip sixty six. They
would have these these teams of former college players. Sometimes
it'd be a foreign team. And from about ninety nine
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till two two thousand and five, some friends of mine,
the Pump Brothers, they in partnership with EA Sports. They
kind of took over that little industry and one year
I got to play with them. Well, that year I
played with THEA Sports and I played my dad had
a team where we played against UCLA handed them there
at at that point it was their worst loss ever
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in poly Pavilion. We actually played against Oaklham State, which
TOAs State Marshall.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
San Diego State collected a bunch of wins.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Well, we were practicing that night and we were leaving
like the next day for some of these exhibition games,
and I was like, Dad, that Angels are game seven.
I got tickets. He's like, all right, well it'll be
on when we get home. I was like, it's right
down the street and I got tickets.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
And here's where.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Was like, well, why do you care about the game.
He was like, Hello, I've been an Angel withing my
whole life. You're a Mets fan. Like have we not talked?
And he's like, ah, I need you to practice.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
You want to play?
Speaker 1 (16:58):
You got to practice. At the time is two thousand
and two, twenty six years old. Yeah, play six years old?
And my dad still give me the practice thing, like
I know all the plays. I'm the one who does them.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
You know.
Speaker 7 (17:14):
One thing we missed from the NFL was it was
the first year of the Houston Texans and so you
then had the change of all the divisions and you
went to the four team divisions. It was the first
year the Seahawks were in the NFC West, moving over
from the AFC West.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
And for those that don't.
Speaker 7 (17:34):
Remember, there was a period of time where a team
at a bye every single week because there were only
thirty one teams in the league. But when Houston came
into the league, that allowed the NFL to then even
out the schedule and you didn't have a buy in
week one or a buy in Week seventeen, which some
teams did.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Awful planning they did that.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Yes, it was such bad plan.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Do you remember who the first pick of the expansion
draft was for the Houston Texans?
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Well, I know they took in.
Speaker 7 (18:03):
The regular draft, but the expansion draft?
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Is that? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (18:11):
No? Who was it?
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Anybody want to take a shot?
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Was the first one of the regular drafts?
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Yes? Was that? Was that? The first one?
Speaker 3 (18:22):
I'm not going to guess among a foul.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
He never played. He never played a game. I don't
believe for it. He was, you know, an all pro
Tony BESSELLI.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
That's right, can call.
Speaker 7 (18:37):
And he was the first draft pick of the Jacksonville Jaguars.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Yes, yeah, but that's good. That's good trivia.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
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Speaker 1 (19:10):
Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Yes we were talking
about twenty two years ago. Nice, stay down there, Sam.
We got Thursday Night Football Buccaneers three and one against
the spread. This season Falconeers Falcons one and three against
the spread through four weeks. B Jean Robinson has been
awful if you took him in the top ten of
your draft. Hasn't surpassed fifteen fantasy points all season long.
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But sometimes what we think we know about the NFL
Falcons can't run the football. Falcons at one and three.
It all gets stored out the window when we watch
them play. That's what I'm if I was betting that,
would I be betting on. John Middlecoff joins this year
and at Flanneless, host of three Now podcast. John, Let's
start with the Falcons. Why can't be Jean Robinson run
the football?
Speaker 9 (19:56):
Well, that's a good question.
Speaker 10 (19:58):
I mean, he did the game again Eagles. He looks
pretty good.
Speaker 9 (20:03):
I think, you know, you just kind of go.
Speaker 10 (20:04):
Through Resden plows early in the season. He to me
is one of the most talented players at his position.
I think over the course of time, like short sample size,
I think they'll be fine. They don't have a choice
right because their quarterback can't move. He's one of the
rare good players at his position. Him and Jared Goff, like,
there is no movement. He's not going to add lib
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so the easiest way and this is how Jared Goff
and that all fantastic sat is you run the ball
and then the play action off that. So to me,
part of running the ball is sticking with it when
it's not working. And early on with Caleb Williams, they didn't.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Really do it.
Speaker 10 (20:45):
They would just get away from it and throwing the
ball fifty times last week in New York, right, Like
you got to have more attempts than whatever they have
twenty in those conditions, like I think a good coach
would have forty. You almost live like we're going to
break one. We're going to break one. And I think
offensive coordinators are just quick to get away from it.
And Zach Robinson you know you don't have it. You
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have a bad run and listen, I like Doug, but
in Jacksonville, like they'll have one bad run and then
they'll just start passing. And I think the one thing
the good coaches do, you know, Kyle is a good
example and kind of that tree look for is they
will stick with it and they will live with some
series that look atrocious to over the course of a game,
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you know it's going to work. And the other thing
Atlanta has going for him is like, you have a
good defense. Your defense has been been good. I mean
they've been winning games when they've been struggling to score touchdowns.
So I think you just got to keep giving the
dude the ball because he's too good at any moment
you get a thirty forty yard game.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
What's going on with Philly.
Speaker 9 (21:50):
Well, I think there are two elements Horse and foremost
the coordinator change on defense been weird, right and vic stuff.
Speaker 10 (22:03):
He's not gonna blitz very often, so he needs to
get pressure with the front four. I mean, Jordan Davis.
I think this term gets thrown a lot out a
little too liberally sometimes with young players. But he's been
a bust. He's been a disaster, and you can be like, well,
he's good guy.
Speaker 6 (22:18):
You know why.
Speaker 10 (22:19):
I watched Sweat, who weighs three hundred and fifty pounds
for the Titans, plays eighty percent of the snaps and
has an impact. I like, had like six tackles against Miami.
This guy plays half as many snaps and just has
no impact. And Jalen Carter, you don't know what you're
getting from game to game. I mean, their best defensive
front guy, Brandon Graham, you pay half a bunch of money.
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He doesn't really fit. Vic Steam Darius Slay is falling
off a cliff. So the guy, I mean, he can
throw out all he wants on social media out of stats.
I mean it'd be like me putting you know, in
twenty twelve I had hair, Well, no one cares. Twenty
twenty four, you know, like, can you cover anybody? And
the answer is no. And then even Mitchell, the guy
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they drafted in the first round, which I think is
an excellent young player that every team would want. He's
a rookie, and let's face at rookie DB's people are
going to go after. So the defense has been a problem,
and I think the elephant in the room is you know,
the quarterback just the ICs. Obviously stats aren't on his
side of either, but you just watch him and he's
just not a comfortable pocket passer. When when aj Brown
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is out of the game, his ad livability doesn't look
the same. He's been a little more inclined this year,
definitely to run, which he should be. Like, what makes
Lamar such a great player, and Lamark is a better
pass than him is he has no problem in any moment,
like running fifteen times a game. Obviously some of those
are called, but even he'll just take off at a
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moment's notice. And Jalen feels like he's falling under the
Russell Wilson kind of unbro And now Russell was a
better passer, Like I want to be a pocket passer.
He's like, Bro, you need to do whatever it takes
to win, and let's face it, it's just it's not
really working. And it kind of feels again shoulder sample size.
We'll see how this plays out over the next couple
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of years, but like twenty twenty two, there's a decent
chance of the best season of his career by a
wide margin.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Stud Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the
voice of John Millkoff. I'm with you, dude, I just
I remember I have a good friend and player personnel,
and his whole thing was okay, so one incredible year
or the rest of his career, which is Jalen Hurts, right,
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It's like, so he goes from the year before, Hey,
maybe they should draft a quarterback to best player on
the planet. Like that feels like a little bit of
an outlier. We need to take a breath.
Speaker 10 (24:44):
There, we Doug, especially Doug, like, you know, it's one
thing when he's you know, a guy's a number one pick.
I mean he was a mid second round pick that
I think a lot of people even thought like that
was pretty rich.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Yep.
Speaker 10 (24:57):
Right, we see some of these guys like, yeah, he's
a late round pick or Dack's a late round pick.
But when those guys first signed their contract, like they
have been putting years on years of like like pretty
answering the bell again. So the Niners are gonna have
to pay him a ton of money and probably be
a little uncomfortable the number. But now you just have
a longer sample size, and I think anytime you don't
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get one of those premium guys, and they kind of
have the outlier season, especially you the coordinator. I just
think the knock on him coming out like Kenny Pack
well enough. And I think the answer right now is
clearly no, right. I mean, it's just it's it's a
hard though. Kelen Moore's got the work cut out for him.
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He's gotta he's getting paid a lot of money. He's
got a tempt to figure this out.
Speaker 9 (25:43):
Or Philly, Philly.
Speaker 10 (25:45):
Look at Washington's schedule, but I don't know how good
Washington actually is as a you know roster, like they're
you know, the two sets of starters offensive events, but
like look their schedule, like they're playing the Browns this week,
they play the Panther, they play the Giant coming up
here soon, Like they're gonna be favoring a lot of games.
And while they don't play the Eagles and the Cowboy
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till like the last I think it's you know, late
November on, you could just get to a point where
you're like seven and four, and if you just win
one or you split two and two in those games,
you're gonna end up like ten and seven, and those teams,
you know playing obviously harder schedules where they finished last year,
find it difficult to get to that that win.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Mark John metalcoffs our guest Cherlon Doug got leave Shan
Fox Sports Radio. What are your thoughts on the relationship
between Aaron Rodgers and Robert Sola Well?
Speaker 10 (26:43):
I heard I was watching one of Belichick's seven hundred
podcasts video things he does, and he brought up a
pretty good point. He's like, one thing after a game,
when you have a situation that you know is going
to be a hot topic in a press conference and
just leading up until your next game, He's like, people
always gave me crap. I never said anything. And while
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that's true, part of it was there's no point because
you don't really you know, you're on the sideline, your
team emotions are high after a loss. Part of the
reasons I never said anything because I didn't quite feel
comfortable of like, are we going to scrap the hard count?
Can our guys not do it? Is it just a
situation with an outlier? Take a couple of days, take
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a deep breath, and when you make like a concrete statement,
it's like it's one of those clearly solidary to walk
back there's just just take a deep breath and be like,
that's one of those We're going to look at the
next couple of days. And I think they get back
to Stalla being a little over his head, and that's
been the case in these last couple of years. He
does not feel like a head coach, win loser draw
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who's in control of the environment. And Rogers is right, like, guys,
I mean, this is this is an accept for us.
We need to figure this out. But we're not scrapping
this and the other thing with the Jets, while why
I don't quite understand, like why everyone like we knew
coming in every win would feel like a big deal
and every loss would feel like a disaster. There truly
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is not a team, partly because of this guy's age,
Like yeah, McCarthy might get fire or not, but that's
not going anywhere, right, So it's like, what's beside that contract.
Part of this is, you know, if they go eight
to nine and solid, it's like if Rogers is going
to retire, there was so much on the line in
this situation, and let's face it, Rogers just has way
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more equity given his resume than Sala, who just I
don't know. I mean, I would say had a pretty
consistent you know, line and resume. Now are kind of
stepping on those works. He would did it constantly in
the quarterback situations with Zach Wilson, and they just find
themselves like kind of getting in these hot button headlines
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that kind of feel avoidable. I mean, it's not that
hard to be like, you know what, we'll look at
it the next couple of days, and he just he
just can't do that. And I appreciate his honesty, but
it does not behoove his squad who's constantly having to
fight through these headlines. Yeah, more than I mean what
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I mean, I think we have to just go with
you know, it feels like a little much for him
that he's under the firing line, and every once in
a while, you just got to say, yeah, I don't know,
we'll look at it the next couple yes.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Yes, yes. Also have to be honest, he doesn't have
control of the offense, right.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
That's the other part to it, which is it's not
just that he looks like it and I've heard people
say that it's you though.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
He's a good defensive coordinator.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
A good motivational guy like you know, a lot of penalties,
a lot of guys doing their own thing whatever, they
take a lot of chances.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
But he hasn't.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Since they've acquired Aaron Rodgers, he's had nothing to do
with the offense zero exactly. And then and then if
you saw then his comment Monday when he tried to
clean up the cadence, it was more about the operation
getting the plays in, plays out. Well that's the Offensivequitner,
that's Aaron Rodgers boy. And oh yeah, but wait, that
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was the problem they had in Denver. And now now
they gotta be like, what that's more friendly fire.
Speaker 10 (30:15):
I think there's this scenario, you know, I remember Bill
Simmons used to write about this, like when you have
a celebrity couple, yea one person. One person in the
couple was like, if you had Taylor Swift, Dayton me,
you know, it's one thing went to Dayton, Travis Kelsey.
There are somewhat equals in the sense of two famous people,
like they're not Aaron Rodgers, Like ultimately Andy Reid if
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he doesn't ever feel neat like he doesn't need to,
but he can be hard on Mahomes and Mahon like
there's an equal level of respect Brady and Belichick over
those years, right up until the end when Brady got
to the age of like I just don't have the
patience with this anymore. But they're not an equal footing here,
and I think it's very, very difficult when it's it'd
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be one thing. Let's just say it was like Mike Brabel, right,
who was dealing with Rogers. Even if Rabel's resume as
a coach is shorter, rogers resume as a player, as
a football guy, his resume is so strong they would
have to kind of like just kind of be equals.
This one is just outweighted from the jump. And then
whenever you lose a game at home to a rookie
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quarterback any one thing, it's like, damn, the Broncos scored
twenty eight points in that weather. It's like, that's a
that's a crazy perform. The ten point, the quarterback, drop stick,
the yard. Just under no circumstances can you lose that game.
If you've got Aaron Rodgers and enough good players what
they have, right, you just can't not at home when
they when they score ten.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
That's the voice of John Metcoff. John, thanks much for
joining us. So you doug Let's get to Dan Fyre
quick updated anybody got.
Speaker 7 (31:48):
Doug Let's start out in Major League Baseball? And a
wild guard game three Mets and Brewers seven o'clock Eastern
time tonight. Winner will get the Phillies in the NLDS
starting on Saturday. Buccaneers and Falcons tonight to start Week five,
fifteen Eastern time.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
On Sunday, the Jets and Vikings will play early in London.
Speaker 7 (32:05):
Jets quarterback Aaron Rodgers a full participant in practice today.
No practice for Colts running back Jonathan Taylor. No practice
for Texans running back Joe Mixon. He's got a sprained ankle.
Well commander is. Running back Brian Robinson missed practice for
the second straight day. Fellow teammate Austin Eckler, though, did
practice for the second straight day, trying to return from
his concussion. Giants wide receiver f e Leak Nighbors missed
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his second straight practice because of a concussion, and chief
said coach Jane de Reid said earlier in the Day
eight that they are waiting on the swelling for the
knee or on the knee of Rashid Rice to go
down before they do more tests. Chiefs did place Rice
on IR doesn't mean the season is over, but he
is on the injured reserve list as of right now. Doug,
back to you.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
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Speaker 3 (33:27):
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Speaker 7 (33:28):
Some confusion today on what is actually what when it
comes to the WNBA Awards. It was earlier that Caitlin
Clark of the Indiana Fever, that she won the honor
for Rookie of the Year given out by the Associated Press.
The Rookie of the Year award in the WNBA is
actually given out by the league, but The people who
vote on it are the beat writers who cover each
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team or the two representatives from each market in the WNBA,
and then they will vote. That's separate from the Associated press.
So I think many of us today were like, what
do you mean Kate Clark won the WNBA Rookie of
the Year award? Again, Yes, it is two separate awards
and this is the official one. But here's the catch.
A year after a Leah Boston was the unanimous Rookie
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of the Year in the WNBA, Caitlin Clark was not.
She received sixty six out of a possible sixty seven
first place votes. Angel Reese of the Chicago Sky received
the other first place vote. The WNBA does not reveal
who voted for who on their ballots.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Somebody wants some attention, That's what that is. Somebody wants.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
If they can't get it though, because they won't they're anonymous.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Yeah, they'll probably come out and volunteer. They did it.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
What is the reasoning behind that? Is it just for spite?
Speaker 1 (34:39):
I mean, come on, no, it's because people think that
there's actually racial racist intentions to make Caitlin Clark better
than she actually is. That's all of the underlying we
gotta put Kaitlyn, We got to put Angel Reese out
there to be fair, Like when have we ever done
that ever?
Speaker 2 (34:57):
In sports?
Speaker 6 (34:58):
Like?
Speaker 2 (34:58):
What's fair? She's the best rookie. It's not close.
Speaker 8 (35:00):
Hold on, I'm confused though, still too no, no, no, to
tell you what it is. This is separate. The AP
comes out like three weeks ago, names her Rookie of
the Year. I swear last week, like Sham Sharania broke.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
News that he was what this award is? Yes, okay,
so he just broke it like a week early.
Speaker 8 (35:18):
Yes, and they officially Okay, so they officially came out.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
And said she's a rookie there. Okay, I guess.
Speaker 7 (35:22):
And they had previously announced who was the MVP obviously
was Asia Wilson, and who the Defensive Player of the
Year was and who the most improved was, but they
had not publicly announced to the Rookie of the Year was.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (35:35):
Maybe they just kept on counting the votes and we're like,
I'm still only getting sixty six, and maybe that's what took.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
Him a while. Was there a hanging chat involved. I
don't know.
Speaker 7 (35:44):
It's been quite the week for Antonio Peers, the Raiders
head coach, earlier this week dealing with all the DeVante
Adams drama, some of it caused by Peers for liking
an Instagram post. But now the current Raiders head coach
was given an eight year show cause penalty by the
NCAA for violations that occurred when he was an assistant
coach at Arizona State.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Yeah, it was all during COVID and they were just
they just blatant disregard for the rules. So if you
think the pro gig's not going that, well, the college
gig's never going to happen again.
Speaker 7 (36:14):
So also apparently took recruits parents to gentlemen's clubs and
time is that wrong?
Speaker 5 (36:23):
Was wrong?
Speaker 1 (36:25):
And they get a great buffet. I mean, we're just
trying to be cost effective here with the buffet.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
That's the press they get out there and pressed.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
That was the press Colorado football all over again. That's
back back in the day. This is the Doug Gotlieb
Show here on Fox Sports Radio. By the way, Jay Stewart,
we need to do an update on Eric p Enemy's
offensive stats as as OC with the UCLA.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
Bruins tomorrow for sure.
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Welcome in DG Show broadcast live from pretty sunny here
at Green Bay, Wisconsin. And I actually got excited this
morning because I knew it was Thursday, and I did
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know what year we were doing, but I did know
it's stone call to throwback Thursday.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Right.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Chase two came up of this one, and it's just
his way of being the FM morning DJ.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
He always wanted to be right. That's that's the truth, Jason.
Is that about right? Like that's truthfully?
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Like if I could be the old FM DJ with
these really cool sort of cheesy bits and bringing the
energy every day and then telling wacky stories and making
comments on like you look you at your podcast on
the Bachelor Bachelorette.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
What's it called The Bachelor Lifestyle with Brian Buckner?
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Bachelor Lifestyle Brian Beckner. Bachelor Lifestyle Brian Beckner. So he's
got that working for him and he came up with this.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Now I want to tell the listeners something. By the way,
since you brought this up, I need to I need
to play it. You talk about me always wanted to
be a morning DJ and whatnot. Well, at some point I.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Think everybody want to be a morning DJ, though.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
But so many formally works here put me in a
I did two episodes of Gary Unmarried, and just this
week one of the listeners brought this to my attention
just because somebody passed away this week and they're like, oh,
I remember that from that show. So this is me
being a sports talk show host on Gary Unmarried two
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thousand and ten.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
Ty Coup, Babe Ruth.
Speaker 6 (02:24):
These guys were no saints, and now with all the steroids,
you're going to make an example out of Pete Rose.
In ten years, Pete Rose will be in the Hall
of Fame, you get bet on it.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
I don't take that bet Pete Rose.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Now, granted, not the greatest joke in the world. I
don't know if it warranted that laughter, but I thought
that our listeners are going to kick out of that today.
I want to tell you that this is a segment
that is a work in progress.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
I had a.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
Vision for it. Dan had a vision for it. I
came up with the name, and we're just kind of
working out the quirks, the kinks.
Speaker 7 (03:07):
Okay, time out, time out, what's going on. I had
a vision for it, and then you thought it was
a different vision. Hold up, hold on, yeah, hold up,
hold on, hold up, hold.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
On, wait, wait, wait, okay, okay. So Dan, your vision of.
Speaker 7 (03:20):
It was what I thought we would talk about the
big sports moments that happened in each of these years.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Oh, which is what I thought.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
And then Jay Stew's like, hey, why don't we do
the FM Morning DJ nineteen eighty four was the year
let's talk about what albums were hot.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
So this was how I took Dan's vision. First of all,
I wanted to own the name. Don't call it a throwback.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
That is true. It is is yeah, because.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
I always think it's funny when people say, don't call
it a comeback, and then they tell you they're coming
back from something, so don't call it a throwback. And
then I thought that since every Thursday there's a matchup
on Thursday Night, I could take a past matchup of
those exact teams and then focus on that matchup, and
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then we just make it a conversation about that year
that I choose. So we're gonna kind of do a
hybrid between Dan's initial concept and mine. It goes something
like this, Sam, do you have anything like rewind music
or something to get me into this thing? All right,
(04:28):
let's rewind it back to December two thousand and two,
twenty two years ago. The Bucks faced the Falcons in
a December game where second year star Michael Vick played
the Buccaneers for the first time, probably the second time
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since they play it twice and twice a year. The
Buccaneers kick their butts. Now the Buccaneers, if you don't recall,
that was the first year that John Gruden co them
and he led them to a Super Bowl title. In
this game, the Bucks really kind of mopped the floor
with the Falcons. It wasn't even close. It was a
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thirty four to ten game. Our guy Brad Johnson led
the Bucks in passing. Mike Alstott starred.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Playing the Bucks.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Great name those.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Great defensive names for the Bucks that are all Hall
of famers, including John winch On, A, Rodney Barber if
he's in the Hall of Fame, Derek Brooks. It was
just a one win on the way to their one
Super Bowl I guess, their first Super Bowl championship. And
what I remember most from that year was this John
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Gruden thing to where like he led a team to
a Super Bowl and he defeated a Raider team that
he had just built and left the year before. It's
like it doesn't get enough credit, I think in the
history of coaching. John Gruden built this Raiders team that
eventually went to the Super Bowl and lost to a
team that he coached.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Pretty amazing uh humble bragg I was there. Remember Barrett
Robbins went missing the morning of the game. Bart Robinson
the All Pro center for the Raiders. And then the
story was that they didn't change any of the audible
calls for rich Gannon, so Tampa literally knew exactly what
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they were going to do with all the with all
the audibles, because they hadn't changed when Gruden was there.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
That is a humble brag that you were there. By
the way this is called.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
You don't call it a throwback, thack thirst throw back.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
We're thrown back to two thousand and one, correct, two
thousand and two, two thousand and two.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Good to know.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
What do you got? Dan? Well?
Speaker 7 (06:52):
As soon as I found out that the year was
two thousand and two, my mind immediately went to college
football and what ended up being the greatest season of
my life in college football. It was the year that
Ohio State went unbeaten and ultimately with Top Miami in
the Fiesta Bowl, the national championship game on the third
day of January in two thousand and three. But the
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two thousand and two season was really dominated by the
Hurricanes as the Buckeyes the second half of the year
with Maurice Clarett's shoulder injury, each week was a nail
bider as they squeaked through the Big Ten wins at Wisconsin,
wins at Northwestern, most notably a win at Purdue on
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a fourth down call that they now call Holy Buckeye
where Craig Crenzall hit Michael Jenkins in the end zone
and what was an awful game? How do I know,
Humblebregg I was there. I was in West Lafayette for
that game. That was what six to three at the time,
and the Buckeye season hanging on the brink in that
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fourth down call, and then they escaped against Michigan with
an interception by Will Allen at the goal line to
preserve their spot in the National Championship game. For as
dominant as Miami was throughout those seasons and that season
as well, Ohio State struggled when Maurice Cloutt went down
with that shoulder injury, and the second half of the
year was just close game after close game after close
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game that just kept on winning them and then ended
up winning the National championship.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
That's going, That's really really going, Sam, you got one
you want up on.
Speaker 8 (08:27):
Absolutely. Ohio State story kind of ties in with Iowa
a little bit. Both teams finished eight to zero in
the Big Ten. They shared the Big Ten championship, but
they did not play each other, so you could really
say they were co Big Ten champions. Of course, Ohio
State with their unbeaten record and i really remember that year.
They Yeah, they won a lot of close games. The
Buckeyes did the Hawkeyes out. If they did not lose
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give up a huge lead to Iowa State at home
earlier in the season, they would have been undefeated. They
I think he was like a twenty four to seven
half time lead. They ended up losing that game, but
they went eight and Oh. They had Brad Banks who
went all the way to the Heisman ceremony, finished second
to Carson Palmer of USC. And when Iowa finished the
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regular season eleven and one, Brad Banks lost the Heisman
to Carson Palmer and they ended up instead of going
to the Rose Bowl, they went to the Orange Bowl
to face those USC Trojans with Carson Palmer, and unfortunately,
outside of an amazing kickoff return for a touchdown to
open the game for Iowa, they folded thirty eight to
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seventeen to those Trojans.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Did the Rose Bowl take Oklahoma? Was that? That's something
like that?
Speaker 8 (09:37):
I think the last the last game of the regular
season was at Minnesota, and that's where Iowa fans were
so exuberant with passion and overjoyed and new fork that
they tore down the Gulpos there at the Hubert H.
Humphrey Metrodome and tried to run out of the rotating
doors with them and they couldn't. They had like saw
him up or something. It was crazy. It was Minnesota
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fans haven't forgive in Iowa for that since. But uh,
they all were. They all had roses in their in
their mouths, you know, like that. That's very very commonplace
picture you see where guys that they finished a big
season they have the rose in their mouth, like we're
going to the Rose Bowl. But they ended up going
to the Orange Bowl and a little bit of a
downturn on the end of the season, but a great
year nonetheless for Iowa. Well yeah, co big Ten champions
there with the Buckeyes.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
So we picked, we picked a year that each of
you had amazing college football memories. Yes, I'm feeling your
passion here and I just looked it up.
Speaker 7 (10:30):
The Orange Bowl actually took Iowa first because they had
the first pick of the teams that weren't in the
title game.
Speaker 8 (10:35):
I think Iowa was third, weren't they, yes, yes, so yeah,
it was sort of.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Like the Orange Bowl wanted Iowa more. They thought they
were going to the Rose.
Speaker 7 (10:43):
They were fifth in the BCS, but third I think
in the Apeak Bowl at the time.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Number one in our hearts, Yeah, number one in our hearts.
Speaker 8 (10:49):
That that Iowa'll just say, I mean that Ohio State
team gave you a lot of future NFL stars. That
that Iowa team gave you, Dallas Clark, Bob Sanders, Robert Gallery,
a lot, a lot of big time players who go
in the NFL and have nice careers. So yeah, that
early two thousand's college football era. It was also sort
of the end of like Miami and Nebraska being powers.
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Like Miami would lose to Ohio State in that National
Championship Game and they started taper off after that. The
previous year, Miami smoked Nebraska in the National Championship Game
and then Nebraska really hasn't been the same since.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
I don't think Miami's fall was that quick.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
But part of it was, you know, they had coaching
changes and then like USC NCAA probation and then you
know those they go probation, then they be fine, then probation,
then they be fine. Sam, Let's let's let's test your
knowledge of that game. What's the most There's there's two
memorable plays in that game Miami Ohio State.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Okay, one of the greatest college football games.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
I think it's probably a better game overall than Texas USC,
but maybe it doesn't get the credit.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
And then there's the controversial call.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
So two big plays everybody knows that everybody remembers that
game by Do you know either one of them?
Speaker 8 (12:05):
Well, one was it was a pass interference on Miami.
It was very controversial that what dan It ended up
pushing the game to overtime.
Speaker 7 (12:12):
It was in the first overtime that Ohio State would
have lost if they didn't call past interference on Miami.
Chris Gamble in the corner of the end zone went
up for it. I still think that past interference happened
before we see it on camera. I agree, and Miami
fans don't want to hear it. But what we saw
in film was not actually where the infraction happened on
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the play.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
I mean, if you watch it still in standard def,
replay is far different. You're like, oh my god, it's
so much better now, yes, yes, and right true.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Then and then it was the same game.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Coming up short on the second big punt.
Speaker 7 (12:52):
Are you talking about Willis mcgahe's knees yes, yes, oh okay, yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
So Willis Mcgahe his knee went backwards. He got hit
like a helmet on the knee, and the actual like
if you bet your knee right now and you made
it like a V, right, imagine the V being in reverse.
That's all I remember about that play. And then you're
sitting there going like I'll never play football again.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Then, well, Spiggs fifteen years.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
He'd kind of defied that and had a nice career,
I'll tell you that.
Speaker 7 (13:22):
Like, Ohio State couldn't do anything on offense in that
National Championship game, but Sean Taylor had an interception in
the end zone that he brought out and then Maurice
Clarette stripped him of the football and so Ohio State
actually retained possession and Miami actually had to kick a
field goal as time expired in the game just descended
into overtime. They also had a first and goal at
the one yard line in the second overtime and we're
(13:45):
unable to cash it in from one yard out is
Ohio State had a great goal line stand and then
Ken Dorsey was kind of was hurt on one of
the plays left for a snap came back in, but
Miami was unable to cash in from the one yard
line and had four place to do so and couldn't do it.
We could do this whole segment on that game if
we wanted to. But wait, there were other things that
(14:06):
happened end of the Lakers dynasty. They were all the
three peat two thousand and two.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
I didn't get that was that was we were going around.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Oh I'm sorry, I'm sorry around.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
The going around the thing.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Mine was in the Lakers dynasty two thousand and two
to three peat.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
That's what I just said, Doug.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
But there were lots of other There were lots of
other parts to it that I don't know how much
you remember, right, because they had Peyton, Gary Payton, they
had Karmelone, but they were both hurt, you know, they
had injuries in that and it was it was a
dysfunctional group.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
But there's all other parts to it, right.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Detroit made the mid season trade to get Rashid Wallace.
Rashid Wallace was in Atlanta for like a day but
never played. But that was a gigantic trade for the Pistons,
and no team had ever won all three of those
home games we used to go two three until the
Pistons till the Pistons.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
So I would.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Definitely say there was it was obvious the rip between
Kobe and Shack, but it was not a strong surrounding cast.
It was they went for it with all these big
names and it did not work. Did not work.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
I mean, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
We can't forget Doug's baseball team won their one World
Series championship.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
I ever tell you guys that story of how I
didn't go to Game seven?
Speaker 3 (15:29):
I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Baseball baseball, did.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
You have a coaching clinic that day?
Speaker 2 (15:34):
And sort of sort of?
Speaker 1 (15:37):
So there used to be touring teams that played against
Division one schools, right and a long time ago it
was like Athletes in Action and Phillip sixty six. They
would have these these teams of former college players. Sometimes
it'd be a foreign team. And from about ninety nine
(15:59):
till two two thousand and five, some friends of mine,
the Pump Brothers, they in partnership with EA Sports. They
kind of took over that little industry and one year
I got to play with them. Well, that year I
played with THEA Sports and I played my dad had
a team where we played against UCLA handed them there
at at that point it was their worst loss ever
(16:20):
in poly Pavilion. We actually played against Oaklham State, which
TOAs State Marshall.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
San Diego State collected a bunch of wins.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Well, we were practicing that night and we were leaving
like the next day for some of these exhibition games,
and I was like, Dad, that Angels are game seven.
I got tickets. He's like, all right, well it'll be
on when we get home. I was like, it's right
down the street and I got tickets.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
And here's where.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Was like, well, why do you care about the game.
He was like, Hello, I've been an Angel withing my
whole life. You're a Mets fan. Like have we not talked?
And he's like, ah, I need you to practice.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
You want to play?
Speaker 1 (16:58):
You got to practice. At the time is two thousand
and two, twenty six years old. Yeah, play six years old?
And my dad still give me the practice thing, like
I know all the plays. I'm the one who does them.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
You know.
Speaker 7 (17:14):
One thing we missed from the NFL was it was
the first year of the Houston Texans and so you
then had the change of all the divisions and you
went to the four team divisions. It was the first
year the Seahawks were in the NFC West, moving over
from the AFC West.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
And for those that don't.
Speaker 7 (17:34):
Remember, there was a period of time where a team
at a bye every single week because there were only
thirty one teams in the league. But when Houston came
into the league, that allowed the NFL to then even
out the schedule and you didn't have a buy in
week one or a buy in Week seventeen, which some
teams did.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Awful planning they did that.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Yes, it was such bad plan.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Do you remember who the first pick of the expansion
draft was for the Houston Texans?
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Well, I know they took in.
Speaker 7 (18:03):
The regular draft, but the expansion draft?
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Is that? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (18:11):
No? Who was it?
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Anybody want to take a shot?
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Was the first one of the regular drafts?
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Yes? Was that? Was that? The first one?
Speaker 3 (18:22):
I'm not going to guess among a foul.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
He never played. He never played a game. I don't
believe for it. He was, you know, an all pro
Tony BESSELLI.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
That's right, can call.
Speaker 7 (18:37):
And he was the first draft pick of the Jacksonville Jaguars.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Yes, yeah, but that's good. That's good trivia.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
I like that and everybody. And that's don't call it
a throwback.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
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Speaker 1 (19:10):
Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Yes we were talking
about twenty two years ago. Nice, stay down there, Sam.
We got Thursday Night Football Buccaneers three and one against
the spread. This season Falconeers Falcons one and three against
the spread through four weeks. B Jean Robinson has been
awful if you took him in the top ten of
your draft. Hasn't surpassed fifteen fantasy points all season long.
(19:35):
But sometimes what we think we know about the NFL
Falcons can't run the football. Falcons at one and three.
It all gets stored out the window when we watch
them play. That's what I'm if I was betting that,
would I be betting on. John Middlecoff joins this year
and at Flanneless, host of three Now podcast. John, Let's
start with the Falcons. Why can't be Jean Robinson run
the football?
Speaker 9 (19:56):
Well, that's a good question.
Speaker 10 (19:58):
I mean, he did the game again Eagles. He looks
pretty good.
Speaker 9 (20:03):
I think, you know, you just kind of go.
Speaker 10 (20:04):
Through Resden plows early in the season. He to me
is one of the most talented players at his position.
I think over the course of time, like short sample size,
I think they'll be fine. They don't have a choice
right because their quarterback can't move. He's one of the
rare good players at his position. Him and Jared Goff, like,
there is no movement. He's not going to add lib
(20:28):
so the easiest way and this is how Jared Goff
and that all fantastic sat is you run the ball
and then the play action off that. So to me,
part of running the ball is sticking with it when
it's not working. And early on with Caleb Williams, they didn't.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Really do it.
Speaker 10 (20:45):
They would just get away from it and throwing the
ball fifty times last week in New York, right, Like
you got to have more attempts than whatever they have
twenty in those conditions, like I think a good coach
would have forty. You almost live like we're going to
break one. We're going to break one. And I think
offensive coordinators are just quick to get away from it.
And Zach Robinson you know you don't have it. You
(21:07):
have a bad run and listen, I like Doug, but
in Jacksonville, like they'll have one bad run and then
they'll just start passing. And I think the one thing
the good coaches do, you know, Kyle is a good
example and kind of that tree look for is they
will stick with it and they will live with some
series that look atrocious to over the course of a game,
(21:28):
you know it's going to work. And the other thing
Atlanta has going for him is like, you have a
good defense. Your defense has been been good. I mean
they've been winning games when they've been struggling to score touchdowns.
So I think you just got to keep giving the
dude the ball because he's too good at any moment
you get a thirty forty yard game.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
What's going on with Philly.
Speaker 9 (21:50):
Well, I think there are two elements Horse and foremost
the coordinator change on defense been weird, right and vic stuff.
Speaker 10 (22:03):
He's not gonna blitz very often, so he needs to
get pressure with the front four. I mean, Jordan Davis.
I think this term gets thrown a lot out a
little too liberally sometimes with young players. But he's been
a bust. He's been a disaster, and you can be like, well,
he's good guy.
Speaker 6 (22:18):
You know why.
Speaker 10 (22:19):
I watched Sweat, who weighs three hundred and fifty pounds
for the Titans, plays eighty percent of the snaps and
has an impact. I like, had like six tackles against Miami.
This guy plays half as many snaps and just has
no impact. And Jalen Carter, you don't know what you're
getting from game to game. I mean, their best defensive
front guy, Brandon Graham, you pay half a bunch of money.
(22:40):
He doesn't really fit. Vic Steam Darius Slay is falling
off a cliff. So the guy, I mean, he can
throw out all he wants on social media out of stats.
I mean it'd be like me putting you know, in
twenty twelve I had hair, Well, no one cares. Twenty
twenty four, you know, like, can you cover anybody? And
the answer is no. And then even Mitchell, the guy
(23:00):
they drafted in the first round, which I think is
an excellent young player that every team would want. He's
a rookie, and let's face at rookie DB's people are
going to go after. So the defense has been a problem,
and I think the elephant in the room is you know,
the quarterback just the ICs. Obviously stats aren't on his
side of either, but you just watch him and he's
just not a comfortable pocket passer. When when aj Brown
(23:24):
is out of the game, his ad livability doesn't look
the same. He's been a little more inclined this year,
definitely to run, which he should be. Like, what makes
Lamar such a great player, and Lamark is a better
pass than him is he has no problem in any moment,
like running fifteen times a game. Obviously some of those
are called, but even he'll just take off at a
(23:45):
moment's notice. And Jalen feels like he's falling under the
Russell Wilson kind of unbro And now Russell was a
better passer, Like I want to be a pocket passer.
He's like, Bro, you need to do whatever it takes
to win, and let's face it, it's just it's not
really working. And it kind of feels again shoulder sample size.
We'll see how this plays out over the next couple
(24:05):
of years, but like twenty twenty two, there's a decent
chance of the best season of his career by a
wide margin.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Stud Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the
voice of John Millkoff. I'm with you, dude, I just
I remember I have a good friend and player personnel,
and his whole thing was okay, so one incredible year
or the rest of his career, which is Jalen Hurts, right,
(24:34):
It's like, so he goes from the year before, Hey,
maybe they should draft a quarterback to best player on
the planet. Like that feels like a little bit of
an outlier. We need to take a breath.
Speaker 10 (24:44):
There, we Doug, especially Doug, like, you know, it's one
thing when he's you know, a guy's a number one pick.
I mean he was a mid second round pick that
I think a lot of people even thought like that
was pretty rich.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Yep.
Speaker 10 (24:57):
Right, we see some of these guys like, yeah, he's
a late round pick or Dack's a late round pick.
But when those guys first signed their contract, like they
have been putting years on years of like like pretty
answering the bell again. So the Niners are gonna have
to pay him a ton of money and probably be
a little uncomfortable the number. But now you just have
a longer sample size, and I think anytime you don't
(25:19):
get one of those premium guys, and they kind of
have the outlier season, especially you the coordinator. I just
think the knock on him coming out like Kenny Pack
well enough. And I think the answer right now is
clearly no, right. I mean, it's just it's it's a
hard though. Kelen Moore's got the work cut out for him.
(25:40):
He's gotta he's getting paid a lot of money. He's
got a tempt to figure this out.
Speaker 9 (25:43):
Or Philly, Philly.
Speaker 10 (25:45):
Look at Washington's schedule, but I don't know how good
Washington actually is as a you know roster, like they're
you know, the two sets of starters offensive events, but
like look their schedule, like they're playing the Browns this week,
they play the Panther, they play the Giant coming up
here soon, Like they're gonna be favoring a lot of games.
And while they don't play the Eagles and the Cowboy
(26:07):
till like the last I think it's you know, late
November on, you could just get to a point where
you're like seven and four, and if you just win
one or you split two and two in those games,
you're gonna end up like ten and seven, and those teams,
you know playing obviously harder schedules where they finished last year,
find it difficult to get to that that win.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Mark John metalcoffs our guest Cherlon Doug got leave Shan
Fox Sports Radio. What are your thoughts on the relationship
between Aaron Rodgers and Robert Sola Well?
Speaker 10 (26:43):
I heard I was watching one of Belichick's seven hundred
podcasts video things he does, and he brought up a
pretty good point. He's like, one thing after a game,
when you have a situation that you know is going
to be a hot topic in a press conference and
just leading up until your next game, He's like, people
always gave me crap. I never said anything. And while
(27:05):
that's true, part of it was there's no point because
you don't really you know, you're on the sideline, your
team emotions are high after a loss. Part of the
reasons I never said anything because I didn't quite feel
comfortable of like, are we going to scrap the hard count?
Can our guys not do it? Is it just a
situation with an outlier? Take a couple of days, take
(27:25):
a deep breath, and when you make like a concrete statement,
it's like it's one of those clearly solidary to walk
back there's just just take a deep breath and be like,
that's one of those We're going to look at the
next couple of days. And I think they get back
to Stalla being a little over his head, and that's
been the case in these last couple of years. He
does not feel like a head coach, win loser draw
(27:47):
who's in control of the environment. And Rogers is right, like, guys,
I mean, this is this is an accept for us.
We need to figure this out. But we're not scrapping
this and the other thing with the Jets, while why
I don't quite understand, like why everyone like we knew
coming in every win would feel like a big deal
and every loss would feel like a disaster. There truly
(28:10):
is not a team, partly because of this guy's age,
Like yeah, McCarthy might get fire or not, but that's
not going anywhere, right, So it's like, what's beside that contract.
Part of this is, you know, if they go eight
to nine and solid, it's like if Rogers is going
to retire, there was so much on the line in
this situation, and let's face it, Rogers just has way
(28:31):
more equity given his resume than Sala, who just I
don't know. I mean, I would say had a pretty
consistent you know, line and resume. Now are kind of
stepping on those works. He would did it constantly in
the quarterback situations with Zach Wilson, and they just find
themselves like kind of getting in these hot button headlines
(28:54):
that kind of feel avoidable. I mean, it's not that
hard to be like, you know what, we'll look at
it the next couple of days, and he just he
just can't do that. And I appreciate his honesty, but
it does not behoove his squad who's constantly having to
fight through these headlines. Yeah, more than I mean what
(29:15):
I mean, I think we have to just go with
you know, it feels like a little much for him
that he's under the firing line, and every once in
a while, you just got to say, yeah, I don't know,
we'll look at it the next couple yes.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Yes, yes. Also have to be honest, he doesn't have
control of the offense, right.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
That's the other part to it, which is it's not
just that he looks like it and I've heard people
say that it's you though.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
He's a good defensive coordinator.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
A good motivational guy like you know, a lot of penalties,
a lot of guys doing their own thing whatever, they
take a lot of chances.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
But he hasn't.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Since they've acquired Aaron Rodgers, he's had nothing to do
with the offense zero exactly. And then and then if
you saw then his comment Monday when he tried to
clean up the cadence, it was more about the operation
getting the plays in, plays out. Well that's the Offensivequitner,
that's Aaron Rodgers boy. And oh yeah, but wait, that
(30:08):
was the problem they had in Denver. And now now
they gotta be like, what that's more friendly fire.
Speaker 10 (30:15):
I think there's this scenario, you know, I remember Bill
Simmons used to write about this, like when you have
a celebrity couple, yea one person. One person in the
couple was like, if you had Taylor Swift, Dayton me,
you know, it's one thing went to Dayton, Travis Kelsey.
There are somewhat equals in the sense of two famous people,
like they're not Aaron Rodgers, Like ultimately Andy Reid if
(30:37):
he doesn't ever feel neat like he doesn't need to,
but he can be hard on Mahomes and Mahon like
there's an equal level of respect Brady and Belichick over
those years, right up until the end when Brady got
to the age of like I just don't have the
patience with this anymore. But they're not an equal footing here,
and I think it's very, very difficult when it's it'd
(30:57):
be one thing. Let's just say it was like Mike Brabel, right,
who was dealing with Rogers. Even if Rabel's resume as
a coach is shorter, rogers resume as a player, as
a football guy, his resume is so strong they would
have to kind of like just kind of be equals.
This one is just outweighted from the jump. And then
whenever you lose a game at home to a rookie
(31:21):
quarterback any one thing, it's like, damn, the Broncos scored
twenty eight points in that weather. It's like, that's a
that's a crazy perform. The ten point, the quarterback, drop stick,
the yard. Just under no circumstances can you lose that game.
If you've got Aaron Rodgers and enough good players what
they have, right, you just can't not at home when
they when they score ten.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
That's the voice of John Metcoff. John, thanks much for
joining us. So you doug Let's get to Dan Fyre
quick updated anybody got.
Speaker 7 (31:48):
Doug Let's start out in Major League Baseball? And a
wild guard game three Mets and Brewers seven o'clock Eastern
time tonight. Winner will get the Phillies in the NLDS
starting on Saturday. Buccaneers and Falcons tonight to start Week five,
fifteen Eastern time.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
On Sunday, the Jets and Vikings will play early in London.
Speaker 7 (32:05):
Jets quarterback Aaron Rodgers a full participant in practice today.
No practice for Colts running back Jonathan Taylor. No practice
for Texans running back Joe Mixon. He's got a sprained ankle.
Well commander is. Running back Brian Robinson missed practice for
the second straight day. Fellow teammate Austin Eckler, though, did
practice for the second straight day, trying to return from
his concussion. Giants wide receiver f e Leak Nighbors missed
(32:25):
his second straight practice because of a concussion, and chief
said coach Jane de Reid said earlier in the Day
eight that they are waiting on the swelling for the
knee or on the knee of Rashid Rice to go
down before they do more tests. Chiefs did place Rice
on IR doesn't mean the season is over, but he
is on the injured reserve list as of right now. Doug,
back to you.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
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Kaitlyn Clark denied a WNBA honor on purpose?
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what do you.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Got, Doug?
Speaker 7 (33:28):
Some confusion today on what is actually what when it
comes to the WNBA Awards. It was earlier that Caitlin
Clark of the Indiana Fever, that she won the honor
for Rookie of the Year given out by the Associated Press.
The Rookie of the Year award in the WNBA is
actually given out by the league, but The people who
vote on it are the beat writers who cover each
(33:49):
team or the two representatives from each market in the WNBA,
and then they will vote. That's separate from the Associated press.
So I think many of us today were like, what
do you mean Kate Clark won the WNBA Rookie of
the Year award? Again, Yes, it is two separate awards
and this is the official one. But here's the catch.
A year after a Leah Boston was the unanimous Rookie
(34:11):
of the Year in the WNBA, Caitlin Clark was not.
She received sixty six out of a possible sixty seven
first place votes. Angel Reese of the Chicago Sky received
the other first place vote. The WNBA does not reveal
who voted for who on their ballots.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Somebody wants some attention, That's what that is. Somebody wants.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
If they can't get it though, because they won't they're anonymous.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Yeah, they'll probably come out and volunteer. They did it.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
What is the reasoning behind that? Is it just for spite?
Speaker 1 (34:39):
I mean, come on, no, it's because people think that
there's actually racial racist intentions to make Caitlin Clark better
than she actually is. That's all of the underlying we
gotta put Kaitlyn, We got to put Angel Reese out
there to be fair, Like when have we ever done
that ever?
Speaker 2 (34:57):
In sports?
Speaker 6 (34:58):
Like?
Speaker 2 (34:58):
What's fair? She's the best rookie. It's not close.
Speaker 8 (35:00):
Hold on, I'm confused though, still too no, no, no, to
tell you what it is. This is separate. The AP
comes out like three weeks ago, names her Rookie of
the Year. I swear last week, like Sham Sharania broke.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
News that he was what this award is? Yes, okay,
so he just broke it like a week early.
Speaker 8 (35:18):
Yes, and they officially Okay, so they officially came out.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
And said she's a rookie there. Okay, I guess.
Speaker 7 (35:22):
And they had previously announced who was the MVP obviously
was Asia Wilson, and who the Defensive Player of the
Year was and who the most improved was, but they
had not publicly announced to the Rookie of the Year was.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (35:35):
Maybe they just kept on counting the votes and we're like,
I'm still only getting sixty six, and maybe that's what took.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
Him a while. Was there a hanging chat involved. I
don't know.
Speaker 7 (35:44):
It's been quite the week for Antonio Peers, the Raiders
head coach, earlier this week dealing with all the DeVante
Adams drama, some of it caused by Peers for liking
an Instagram post. But now the current Raiders head coach
was given an eight year show cause penalty by the
NCAA for violations that occurred when he was an assistant
coach at Arizona State.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Yeah, it was all during COVID and they were just
they just blatant disregard for the rules. So if you
think the pro gig's not going that, well, the college
gig's never going to happen again.
Speaker 7 (36:14):
So also apparently took recruits parents to gentlemen's clubs and
time is that wrong?
Speaker 5 (36:23):
Was wrong?
Speaker 1 (36:25):
And they get a great buffet. I mean, we're just
trying to be cost effective here with the buffet.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
That's the press they get out there and pressed.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
That was the press Colorado football all over again. That's
back back in the day. This is the Doug Gotlieb
Show here on Fox Sports Radio. By the way, Jay Stewart,
we need to do an update on Eric p Enemy's
offensive stats as as OC with the UCLA.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
Bruins tomorrow for sure.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
Yes, so many people had jumped off that bandwagon silently.
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Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.