May 23, 2024 • 37 mins
Doug agrees with Charles Barkley as the outspoken commentator said WNBA players need to stop being petty when it comes to Caitlin Clark. Doug welcomes The Athletic's Joe Vardon onto the show to talk about the Cavs firing their head coach and all of the headlines around the NBA conference finals. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a Thursday edition of "The Press".
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my life thought it was possible for us to continue
talking about the WNBA, but it is a thing. And
last night I believe in the dub in the dub,
the uh Caitlin Clark's team, which is the Indiana Fever.
(01:14):
Why are they naming it in the Fever? Does anybody know? Like,
does anybody know?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
I have no idea. It's not a very like complimentary name,
and it's like it's a disease. You know what your
experience when your body reacts to a disease.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
You know, it's a great point, do it you? Uh?
You do you starve a fever and feed a cold?
Or do you feed a fever and starve a cold?
Not really sure?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
And if they really wanted to be alliterative and medical,
they could have called it the Indiana inflammation, ah, because
that also happens when you when you catch a disease inflammation.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Oh what would a better Indiana nickname be? You know,
you have the Indianapolis Colts for really the Baltimore Colts.
So they just took the name over right, the Indiana
Pacers a la paste car in the five hundred. See
what we did there, Like Indiana Pacers is a dad
(02:10):
joke all in there at once. What would the what
would an appropriate what? What would have a better Indiana?
And this is not I don't think it's like a
historic It's not like one of the first couple of
teams in the w NBA. So somebody spent some time
thinking about this and came up with the Indiana fever.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Go uh So this is from sportingnews dot com. Why
is Sporting News? Why is Indiana's w NBA team called
the fever.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
So it's said.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
It's not a commentary on Big Farmer reminder to wash
your hands.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
It has.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Rather, the name fever appears to do with the metaphor
metaphorical term fever blah blah blah. Mirriam Webster's definition heightened
emotion and contagious, usually temporal craze. The Hoosier State loves hoops.
In fact, it could say it could be said that
Indian residents have developed something of a fever for the topic.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
It's the name fastball fever. Yes, basketball fever.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Well, they should have been called the basketball fever and
then gone by the fever. That would have made a
lot more sense. There's also called basketball.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Jones feverish pace. You know, paces got it?
Speaker 1 (03:15):
I still don't love it. Did you guys watch last night?
Speaker 3 (03:19):
I don't think it was even on TV? I mean,
could you watch it on a WNBA app?
Speaker 1 (03:23):
I don't know. I I you were mister Caitlin Clark fan.
I thought I was a WNBA app.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
It was not on It was not televised, but it
might have been on the app. But I do not,
And I think there is a service that you could
buy that kind of like a capac. Yeah, yeah, if
you really, I don't have that.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
I don't have that.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
I did see they were down three, and they were
in an inbounds play for and the and she dropped
the ball. Yeah, and you got a double team didn't
get it off. In fact, it was it was a
well designed played bad defense and she was open, but
there was actually another teammate who was more open. She
continued to struggle three point shooting. She's had won her
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last game before that. She shot the ball very well,
but two of eight from three. So we'll keep an
eye on that. And they continue to get closer and closer.
Last two games have been close losses. What how do
we get the near miss thing with with airlines? How
is it a near miss? Isn't it a near hit? Anyway,
they nearly won, which is a near hit. Instead, it's
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a miss for the Indiana. We now know why they're
called the Fever. But what's more interesting is some of
the pushback she's gotten from fellow w NBA players, and
Lebron talked about it two days ago yesterday. This is
Charles Barkley discussing other WNBA players.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
You women out there, y'all petty man. Hey, Lebron, you
say right on these girls, Hey, known Caitlin Clark, y'all
petty girls, I's fact being to be petty because we're
the most insecure group in the world. You are, y'all
should be thinking that girl forgetting y'all ass private charters,
all the money and ben's a village she bringing to
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the deep NBA.
Speaker 6 (05:13):
Don't be penny like dudes.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
Listen what she's accomplished, y'all flowers. Don't feel penny all
you women out there. She got y'all ass shot us.
She bringing all y'all is money to the table. For
y'all being penny like dudes, you are a one hundred percent
right y'all girls, stop fan Petty Cala Clark, thank you
for bringing all.
Speaker 6 (05:35):
That money and she shine to the NBA.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
They gonna hate you even more. I hate Listen, they
can't do anything to me.
Speaker 6 (05:42):
They're gonna hate you. Hey, they can't. They can't hate
on me.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
That when that male man better be in my damn
house the first time, the fifteen another year for another year.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Uh, that's funny, it's very very funny. But he's right. Now.
Here's the thing, Okay, here's the thing. I gotta be
honest with you. In my twenty one years in the
broadcasting business, I have no doubt that what I'm saying
(06:15):
is most often true. It is not always always true,
it is most often true. What's true in broadcasting is
true in the WNBA. Here's how it is very, very
hard to be a woman in the profession. Okay, I
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have several friends who are really talented broadcasters. I've worked
with some of the best of the best of the best,
and I think it's hard. And it's hard because look,
most guys they don't really want to hear women talk
about sports. That's just how their brains are wired. You
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can call men male, chovenes, pig whatever, but the reality
is most guys they just you know. I would also say,
in reality, it's the same with people with a foreign accent. Like,
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stick with you for a second and see if this
makes sense to you. You know, when you're watching soccer, okay,
no matter what World Cup or even if you watched
Champions League whatever, For whatever reason, when you're watching, you
seem to gravitate towards people with a British accent. Right,
for whatever reason, you feel like they know more about
(07:40):
the subject matter than Alexi lat Less. Does you ever
notice that? No, I'm serious. It's like, for whatever reason, now,
in the NBA or in the NFL, if somebody has
a foreign accent, British accent, German accent, heck, even has
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an Indian accent. If you have an accent from Australia,
you know. I go on the RIDEO in Australia. I
love my blogs down there, but when they talk about
like NFL football, you will instinctively find it hard to
find them credible. And I think the reason is because
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we all assume, right or wrong, that we know more
about the things we did growing up, and if you
grew up the way that we grew up. Right and Americans,
we know football guys, we play football, we watch football,
we go to high school football games, baseball as well,
maybe basketball, And for whatever reason, instinctively, when we hear
a guy's voice with an accent which is not one
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of from the United States, we believe that they know
less about people who have some form of American accent. Well,
the same is true for women. We dismiss their voices
of times and sports wrongfully so most times because our
thought is, well, they didn't play when you're going up
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like you were, you were doing other things. When the
reality is some women who are on the radio or
on TV are far more accomplished athletically have a far
greater sense of sports, not all of them. And sometimes
you know, like in TV, we forced stuff, but then
many of the men and some of it doesn't even matter,
(09:27):
Like you're reading scores and highlights. Who cares as men
or women just do a good job, make me laugh,
make me smile and get out of the way, like
that's truly it. But I will tell you that having
friends who are women in the business, they'll say, like, look,
it could be really hard because some people don't find
women to be credible, no matter how credible they actually are.
(09:50):
That's reality. Here's another reality again, not all, but a
much higher percentage of women are incredible. Petty. If you
were to ask the ten biggest broadcasters in sports, and
(10:11):
maybe I don't know, I can't tell you about news.
I have some friends in news, but in sports, you
asked the ten biggest women, they will tell you that
the that the people that give them the most adjuda
that that are the hardest sometimes to work with and
deal with. Are women, which doesn't make any sense, right
like women should It doesn't mean you have to unite
(10:31):
and grow power and all do things together. But a
lot of them, boy, they talk a lot of trash
about the rest of the whereas guys like I don't,
I don't care it is, don't women like man? Can
it be caddy man? Can it be petty? Jay stew
You've worked on a couple of the big television lots.
(10:52):
Do I have any validity accuracy with what I'm saying?
Speaker 2 (10:56):
I don't know if I can co sign on that
last part, but I I can tell you the testimonials
I received, and by and large it is a much
tougher business for women to be in than men. Absolutely.
But as far as who's more petty, I don't know.
Barkley seemed to be saying that men are more petty,
(11:18):
but you disagree.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
No, I think I think women are women are. I
think I think NBA guys are super petty and jealous.
Whatever I think most guys, I don't think most is
I think women can be incredibly petty, incredibly catty, and
not have an understanding that like, like Barkley said, like
if anything, you should champion this woman, what she's doing
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is good for all of you. Instead of complaining about
your lot in life, enjoy the fact your lot in
life's pretty good and getting better. And her popularity is
the reason why. You know, her popularity is the reason
why I just look, I've been doing this a long
time and I we've all seen. Can you imagine if
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when who came over last year to Miami in soccer? Yeah,
I mean, can you imagine if guys, you know, Messi
comes over and there was just like, I, you know,
I can't believe and I get it that this is
Messi stepping down level of competition. It's not really a
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parallel to her stepping up in level of competition, But
it's just this lack of sense of how it actually works.
You had two players from the Phoenix Mercury complaining about
flying about flying commercial from Phoenix to Las Vegas. Now, look,
if the w NBA teams want to fly charter, that's
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their rights. But in terms of cost benefit analysis, from
Phoenix to Vegas is maybe an hour flight. Maybe if
I'm running a WNBA team, like of course I'm flying
commercial there, it's like ten x more expensive to fly
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charter and it's so unnecessary. I'm not saying that charters
aren't useful, especially the Connecticut Sun useful. Phoenix is a
hub you can find anywhere in America, anywhere in the
world from Phoenix. Why the hell do you gotta fly
charter to go to Las Vegas? But what's happened is
just the catydus and pettiness is at peak. The entitlement
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is like, what is going on here and what's been
built up over time is this resentment of really the
NBA and maybe the media because you feel like you
haven't been covered right. But the reality to it is
get over yourself, cut out the pettiness. And I agree
(14:04):
with Barkley. I agree with the bron women hating on
Caitlin Clark, and you can say, like, look, she's gonna
have to get better, she's gonna have to get more efficient.
This this is hard. She's a rookie. We're the best
in the world. She's got to join us, and she's
got to lift up a franchise that was so don downtrodden.
They got the number one pick. All of that stuff
is fine, but it's a cattiness and the pettiness that
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just I don't know to me that turn turn turns
me off. Okay, so you got the Chicago sky Is
that right? New York Liberty makes sense?
Speaker 2 (14:39):
That's Angel Reese's team, right.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
New York Liberty or Sky scotgo Scott. Yeah, I guess
Chicago Sky is like Chicago Skyline?
Speaker 7 (14:49):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Is that? Why?
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Yeah? Phoenix Mercury because the thermometer and the mercury. Right,
that's where we get the Phoenix Mercury s Yes, Washington Mystics.
I don't know. I'm not sure.
Speaker 8 (15:06):
Wizards huh, Wizards to play off? The Wizards play off
the Mizards, right?
Speaker 5 (15:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Okay, you have l A Sparks. What is that about?
Speaker 4 (15:17):
Anybody don't know?
Speaker 1 (15:20):
That one's a weird one.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Maybe because they play in the summer and fourth of July.
You use those sparks.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Reach Stretch, Armstrong Reach Dallas Wings? Do they play by
the airport?
Speaker 6 (15:34):
Wings?
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Was a good show.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
It was good, but it wasn't great.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
No, it wasn't great. I said good.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
I did oversell it, right, Solid Show.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
TV, Hold on, hold on, I'd like to retract. I'd
like to retract. I'm gonna go with Dan Solid Solid
Uh Seattle Storm. Yeah, you got the alliteration, plus it
rains there all the time. Atlanta dream. Does anybody know
what i'd se Lanta Dream? Is? That? Is that a
play on mmka.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Yep, I have a dream? Yeah, that makes sense?
Speaker 1 (16:08):
But why Atlanta?
Speaker 3 (16:10):
I think he a lot of his work was done
in the state of Georgia and in the city of Atlanta.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Las Vegas Aces makes sense. Phoenix, Mercury, Okay, Minnesota.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Lynx, Bobcats up there?
Speaker 1 (16:21):
You know, are there in Minnesota?
Speaker 3 (16:23):
I would assume, so.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Okay, Connecticut Sun. That's because they play in the Mohegan Son.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
That's kind of a weird Huh. That's kind of a
weird one.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
It's because of they play in the Mohegan Sun. That's
what they get it from.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
And to me, I think I think the Fever should
do the exact same thing. They need to put their
nickname up for sale. I guarantees a major sponsor will
buy that. It's more revenue. I have a couple of suggestions.
Go for popcorn, you know, like, get your popcorn ready?
Orville Reddenbacker came from Indiana. Ibout that, Yes.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Get your popcorn ready?
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Okay, give me another one.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
Princess of Wales.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna skip that one.
Speaker 8 (17:02):
Indiana Princess of Wales, anybody, anyone, It's just memories, Yes, Nicole,
what about Nicole Smith?
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Anna, Nicole Smith, Indiana Nicole Smith.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
That's great, that's good.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Anymore. You made Sam laugh and not talk. So well
done by you.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
But fever makes me think of night sweats.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
You know, I think it should be Indiana Basketball fever.
That would be cool, Like like the Knicks are the
New York Knickerbockers, right, but they're called the New York
Nicks Indiana basketball fever. They go by the fever. I
love that, And then you could have then you can
have sweat. Should say Indiana basketball fever, right, and then
the fever is the logo. But Indiana fever just makes
me think of COVID really.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
And the only thing contagious the fever is losing, losing. Oh.
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if you want to say joker, I'm fine with it.
I think MB when he's at his best is in
the conversation.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
You know.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
I know he won the MVP going back to last year,
and I love the Anthony Edwards, but he does he's
not yet to the point where he's making others better
as well? What what what is the ceiling for Luca
in terms of how he's perceived if they get to
the NBA finals.
Speaker 7 (19:33):
First of all, congratulations on the new gig.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Thank you.
Speaker 7 (19:37):
I'm pretty fired up about that. Uh that's pretty good stuff. Yeah,
Luca's pretty good. Uh that's pretty good. Uh, pretty good
observation there. I think, you know, I was thinking about
this this week just about oh last night, well I was.
I was writing the All NBA stuff and thinking about
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how this is a guy who he leads the league
in scoring, he's second in the league in assists, and
I think he was third in the MVP, you know,
pretty far behind, Like he really didn't have a chance
to win that. And I'm wondering why, because the MVPs
have gone to foreign players for a number of years,
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so that's not it. I don't know if it's because
he plays so slowly, or because Dallas has deemed a
bad defensive team and so we think he stinks defensively.
It was because he looks like he's not in shape,
even though obviously he is. It could be because he
complains through officials every time down the floor, and people
(20:40):
get tired of watching it like I'm just I'm you know,
I'm airing my my thought process here on your show
because I'm not quite sure I'm a voter. I didn't
vote for him as MVP, certainly high on my ballot.
But he's he is the best player. He's he's he is, Uh,
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he's doing the most statistically. Maybe he's not the best
analytics and analytically that's joker, but yeah, he's he's great.
And and now he's got his team back in the
conference finals, but it's not against the Warriors, and he's
got a real chance to get to the finals. Now
figure it out with Kyrie. They made some good trades,
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they're better. So yeah, I mean, I think that if
we had thought that he's still down in the pecking order,
I think now is the chance for him to change
that conversation and position himself now to be on everybody's
mind to vote for him for MVP next year.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
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Speaker 5 (21:50):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Bigger staff lost his job in Cleveland. It's not it's
not a surprise to those of us who've been paying attention,
right It's yeah, but I mean, look, before injury, they
were pushing the Celtics. So what's what's behind this? Because
again based upon record, based upon how we viewed Cleveland,
(22:13):
based upon the fact that they were giving the Celtics
everything they could handle before Donovan Minshew got hurt, why
did Dan Gilbert and his crew decide to pull the
pull the plug?
Speaker 7 (22:24):
Hey, Cleveland is beautiful in the summer, so you know,
I don't know what you meant by how we viewed Cleveland,
but Green Bay the same. Hey, baby, But listen, this
has been going on for a year and he just
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did not have the confidence of of the of the
important players and I and it's it's hard to really
continue the conversation without saying that, I mean that means Donovan. Now,
Donovan is not like Lebron in so far as like
when Lebron doesn't like the coach, you know, Like I mean,
(23:11):
obviously we knew this about Donovan, but but it's obvious
to absolutely everyone who's watching the team and listening to
the to the interviews and reading the stories, because Lebron
will do this, He will take swipes, his body language
will be bad, like the whole nine yards. We all
know what I'm talking about here. Donovan doesn't do that. Okay,
(23:32):
he plays it a different way, but it's unequivocal that
he did not have the amount of confidence and faith
in JB for JB to continue in the shop. And
that is the best way to explain why this's happened,
because otherwise you're talking about a team that advanced further
(23:57):
in the playoffs than it did a year ago, has
advanced further in the postseason each of the last two
years than it did the previous year, and then in
that third year that I'm talking about when they made
the play in Before that, Doug, they were the worst
team in the NBA for three years. Sure, all of
this has changed under JB. He's like, I think he's
(24:20):
something like the fifth winning as coach in franchise history.
And it's not like, you know, it's not like the
Cavs have a bat you know, like they're one of
those teams that don't have a history. I mean, they've
they're they're champions, and they were really good in the
eighties too, So you know, he's he did what he
was asked to do. There are a couple of things.
(24:41):
One they they they've they had rough All Star post
All Star breaks every year under him. That's an issue.
You can make the case that Darius Garland and Evan
Mobley are not have not like dramatically improved under him.
That's a longer discussion. But if you're trying to look
(25:02):
for reasons why this happened, like you could say that
that's two. But it's a players league and the players,
not just Donovan, but the players just didn't look at
him the way. You need players to buy into the
coach for this for this to work. What do they
(25:23):
do with donod Mitchell, Well, they offer him of you know,
what is it, four years and two hundred and eight million.
I think that's what the numbers are that they offer
it to him. Of course they do, and they also
allow him to help pick the coach if he whatever
input that he wants there. You know, this is kind
(25:43):
of a bold move Doug in a way, and Kobe Altman,
the team president, like he even he alluded to this
in his statement today. He says, and I'm paraphrasing, but
he says, hey, we did a lot under JB. And
we really are grateful for him. And I think those
words are genuine, by the way, But then he says,
he says, sometimes you have to do something bold and
(26:05):
aggressive to try and win a championship. So what they've
done here is they've sort of, if we're playing chess,
it's now Donovan's move, and they've kind of pushed him
into a place where like, look, we we fired the
coach that was winning games here because we want you here.
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And so I think that the plausible deniability that Donovan
has worked really hard to keep by by not doing
the body language stuff that I was just talking about,
to kind of help the door now, because there isn't
another explanation for what happened here other than the players,
of which Donovan is the leader, as the best most
you know, the most decorated player in that room. You know,
(26:51):
couldn't play for him. Okay, we got rid of that guy,
So now what So I think, you know, I guess
like we won't know until Ottoman formally agrees, but you know,
it feels like this is going to happen, and you know,
I mean they want to move forward with him.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Stut Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, you
spoke about Lebron. I mean, he not going anywhere, but
I mean, I know he showed up at Cleveland, but
this like classic Lebron, right, yeah, right, I'm gonna show
up at Cleveland for a game and do the bow
(27:30):
just a little tweak, just to make sure that everybody
knows I'm still Lebron James, and I want to stay
in LA but I'm gonna get kind of my way
without trying to get my way. Is JJ Reddick being
head coach getting his way?
Speaker 7 (27:42):
I don't think so. It's and that's kind of a
that's a delicate one because there's obviously a relationship there
between them, a business relationship. The podcast they do is
pretty cool. Certainly Lebron respects JJ's mind. But when it
comes to this coaching thing, I mean, I am sure
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that Lebron has not been very involved and certainly has
not said to Jeanie or Rob to hire JJ, not
in any way that shape or form. You know, I
don't know at this stage of his career, I don't
know that it matters to him who the who the
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coaches anymore, maybe the way that it once did. I mean,
he's gonna be forty if he stays in Los Angeles,
which we assume he will, you know, Anthony Davis is
still going to be there. You know, they'll try to
add another star, but a lot of the pieces that
he's used to will be there, and so you know,
he's just he's gonna want someone who can put players
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in the right places, who can have you know, good
solid rotations, and who will play lineups that frankly, can
give him some protection on the defensive end. Darvin did
not do that until until the end of the year
when he started to play ruie at the three, and
that helped Lebron. You can't play small at this day
(29:10):
and age with Lebron in the regular season because he
needs to take possessions off defensively, and the Lakers suffered
for that. So, you know, I think that's what he
where he is with the coaching stuff, with the Cleveland stuff,
I get it. He's been to Cleveland as a non
player twice in the last ten years. In twenty fourteen,
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he went there for the Junisol Galskas's retirement, the Jersey retirement,
and he came back as a free agent a few
months later. And then now it's twenty twenty four and
he's there for a playoff game. So I understand, but
he can't put any more pressure on the Lakers than
than there already is, and he can't get them to
(29:54):
do anything else because they've already basically dead or shown
that they will do what he wants to do. So
the other thing, and I still understand, I still get it,
but I will say that if you think about all
the time that Lebron has been back to Cleveland since
he won that title in sixteen and went to those
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four finals, every time was a work trip. And he
gets this thunderous applause whatever, but then he's got to
go right back to work. You know, he's got to
whether he's playing for the Lakers or it's the All
Star Game, whatever the case may be. He had a
job to do. And you can't really really revel in
a moment. So he and Savannah and Rich come to Cleveland.
(30:35):
They're off, you know, they get to sip some wine
all night long, and they know what they know what
the cabs are going to do, they know the celebration
that will ensue once they introduced him, and for the
first time he just got to sit there and soak
it in and not have to put his mind elsewhere,
Like he got to just feel the appreciation in Cleveland
(30:58):
for what he's accomplished there. So like putting my cynicism
as a journalism as a journalist aside for just one second.
It was a cool moment and I'm kind of glad
he did it.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Great point, Joe, awesome stuff. You can read Joe's work
in the Athletic. He's outstanding. Joe Barden joining us in
the Doug Gotleib Show. Joe, thanks so much for joining us.
We'll talk soon.
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You're like the podcast today, I well, I don't want
guarantee it. I don't wanna get it. You want to
know the weirdest thing about the last week of my
life is there's a lot of weird stuff. You want
to the last weird thing? Uh? Yes, people calling me coach,
like everybody calls me coach like I no longer have
and and I'm supposed to introduce myself because like when
(31:55):
I text people, I always say hey, this is Doug
or DG or I have other nicknames. Uh. But yeah,
just like now, it's like I'm the president sort of thing,
where like you no longer coach, no longer Doug. It's weird,
Hey coach, Howry coach, Hey coach. I mean, I'm not
going complaining, it's just weird. Anyway. Let's get to the press, the.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
Press here, Dan, Hey Doug.
Speaker 8 (32:27):
And just like the President, you'll keep that title forever
because you are a coach, and so twenty years from
now they may still call you Doug or DG or
whatever those other nicknames were, but there will still people
twenty years from now I'll call you coach, especially if
you coached them. Yes, yes, that's not going to change,
(32:49):
all right, nothing's going to change right now with Scotti Scheffler,
the world's top ran golfer, is currently on the course,
by the way, a colonial hanging in there modest round
today of even are through eleven holes and four shots
back of the lead. But the big news involving Scheffler
is that the charges against him will still move forward.
That could change between now and his arraignment date of
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June three. This is also what we found out about
the situation involving Scheffler last week and the police officer
that arrested Scheffler.
Speaker 5 (33:20):
We understand the seriousness of the father to capture this interaction,
which is why our officer has received corrective action for
this policy violation.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
Corrective action for what do we actually do?
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Nobody can like, what are we doing here?
Speaker 4 (33:40):
I don't know myself. I have no idea.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
This is such a dog and pony show. Hey man,
how about how about one of these things? I overreacted?
You overreacted. It was a really bad look for everybody around.
Let's just move on with our lives. Is that that hard?
Speaker 4 (33:59):
Nope? See, good for me.
Speaker 8 (34:01):
What I think happened is that we had found out
that the bodycam footage was or that there was no
body cam footage. He didn't have his body cam on.
And I feel that they overreacted. That they wanted to say, hey,
we punish this guy, but still did not get their
ducks in a row with the District Attorney's office in
terms of what they're going to do in.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
Terms of prosecuting him.
Speaker 8 (34:22):
But they just felt the need to tell everybody that
they did give a violation to this officer, which to
your point, doesn't make any sense at all.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
But I think that's what they did.
Speaker 8 (34:34):
Because even because we were going through scenarios yesterday and
saying like why would they do this? And one of
the points you said was I think they're going to
try to be over transparent, and then maybe that is
the case, but it just seemed to really fall flat today.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
I just I don't I don't understand, you know, the
most valuable commodity on Earth, okay, more so than diamonds,
platinum even whenever they make the batteries, that is time,
and we are wasting so much time on something which
nobody cares about anymore, and nobody was truly hurt or maimed.
(35:12):
It's just a bad look all around. What are we doing?
Speaker 5 (35:16):
You know?
Speaker 8 (35:17):
And to that point, all of the attention has unfortunately
been taken off the person who lost their life that
all of this you know stuff ended up happening because
they were tending to that matter. So somebody even asked
Jordan Speed at the press conference this week of you know,
like you guys having a good time joking with him,
and he's like, yeah, you know, the phrase too soon
(35:37):
probably fits right here. I think that's all pretty appropriate anyway,
Moving on, Doug Submition of the NFL, John said in
Darren Waller not attending voluntary OTAs as he continues to
evaluate whether he wants to play next season. Could be
seeing Darren Waller maybe entering retirement as that continues with
the Giants.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Yeah, I mean, Darren Waller sitch an incredible comeback story
from his personal demons and drug addictions or whatever. Then
you know, all of a sudden, now disappointing here last year.
Then he's getting divorced and now he might not play
like that. There's one of those, Like, man, you just
hope Darren Waller's okay.
Speaker 8 (36:11):
Cardinals signed first round pick wide receiver Marvin Harrison Junior
to his rookie deal, all of which is guaranteed for
the product from Ohio State.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
I mean he's I mean, I can't guarantee he's going
to be a star, but man, it really feels like
his seal is his floor is really good wide receiver.
Speaker 8 (36:30):
And a lot of a lot of court stuff today
the NBA not court stuff, But the NBA has reportedly
closed their investigation into the Josh Giddy matter after allegations
he had an inappropriate relationship.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
With an underage girl in Newport Beach, California.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Well, it definitely leaked over into his play. He did
not have a good, good playoff run and we'll see
what that means for his future with the.
Speaker 8 (36:53):
Thunder Yankees speak to Mariners today. Five nothing, Aaron Judge
and John Carlos Stanton with home runs and that is ivage.
Just that is the press.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
Get out of there and pressed.
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That was the press.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
We got to get Aaron Boon on. Do you know
that Aaron Boone and my brother got into a fight
in a high school basketball game? No, you know, Villa
Park versus Orange's big rivalry, Villa Park kind of the
that's the good part of town Orange. We were down
in al Madina kind of the tough part of town.
But yeah, yeah, back in the day, back in the day.
I check out the podcast. It's available now. It' Stug
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my life thought it was possible for us to continue
talking about the WNBA, but it is a thing. And
last night I believe in the dub in the dub,
the uh Caitlin Clark's team, which is the Indiana Fever.
(01:14):
Why are they naming it in the Fever? Does anybody know? Like,
does anybody know?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
I have no idea. It's not a very like complimentary name,
and it's like it's a disease. You know what your
experience when your body reacts to a disease.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
You know, it's a great point, do it you? Uh?
You do you starve a fever and feed a cold?
Or do you feed a fever and starve a cold?
Not really sure?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
And if they really wanted to be alliterative and medical,
they could have called it the Indiana inflammation, ah, because
that also happens when you when you catch a disease inflammation.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Oh what would a better Indiana nickname be? You know,
you have the Indianapolis Colts for really the Baltimore Colts.
So they just took the name over right, the Indiana
Pacers a la paste car in the five hundred. See
what we did there, Like Indiana Pacers is a dad
(02:10):
joke all in there at once. What would the what
would an appropriate what? What would have a better Indiana?
And this is not I don't think it's like a
historic It's not like one of the first couple of
teams in the w NBA. So somebody spent some time
thinking about this and came up with the Indiana fever.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Go uh So this is from sportingnews dot com. Why
is Sporting News? Why is Indiana's w NBA team called
the fever.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
So it's said.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
It's not a commentary on Big Farmer reminder to wash
your hands.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
It has.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Rather, the name fever appears to do with the metaphor
metaphorical term fever blah blah blah. Mirriam Webster's definition heightened
emotion and contagious, usually temporal craze. The Hoosier State loves hoops.
In fact, it could say it could be said that
Indian residents have developed something of a fever for the topic.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
It's the name fastball fever. Yes, basketball fever.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Well, they should have been called the basketball fever and
then gone by the fever. That would have made a
lot more sense. There's also called basketball.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Jones feverish pace. You know, paces got it?
Speaker 1 (03:15):
I still don't love it. Did you guys watch last night?
Speaker 3 (03:19):
I don't think it was even on TV? I mean,
could you watch it on a WNBA app?
Speaker 1 (03:23):
I don't know. I I you were mister Caitlin Clark fan.
I thought I was a WNBA app.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
It was not on It was not televised, but it
might have been on the app. But I do not,
And I think there is a service that you could
buy that kind of like a capac. Yeah, yeah, if
you really, I don't have that.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
I don't have that.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
I did see they were down three, and they were
in an inbounds play for and the and she dropped
the ball. Yeah, and you got a double team didn't
get it off. In fact, it was it was a
well designed played bad defense and she was open, but
there was actually another teammate who was more open. She
continued to struggle three point shooting. She's had won her
(04:03):
last game before that. She shot the ball very well,
but two of eight from three. So we'll keep an
eye on that. And they continue to get closer and closer.
Last two games have been close losses. What how do
we get the near miss thing with with airlines? How
is it a near miss? Isn't it a near hit? Anyway,
they nearly won, which is a near hit. Instead, it's
(04:27):
a miss for the Indiana. We now know why they're
called the Fever. But what's more interesting is some of
the pushback she's gotten from fellow w NBA players, and
Lebron talked about it two days ago yesterday. This is
Charles Barkley discussing other WNBA players.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
You women out there, y'all petty man. Hey, Lebron, you
say right on these girls, Hey, known Caitlin Clark, y'all
petty girls, I's fact being to be petty because we're
the most insecure group in the world. You are, y'all
should be thinking that girl forgetting y'all ass private charters,
all the money and ben's a village she bringing to
(05:12):
the deep NBA.
Speaker 6 (05:13):
Don't be penny like dudes.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
Listen what she's accomplished, y'all flowers. Don't feel penny all
you women out there. She got y'all ass shot us.
She bringing all y'all is money to the table. For
y'all being penny like dudes, you are a one hundred percent
right y'all girls, stop fan Petty Cala Clark, thank you
for bringing all.
Speaker 6 (05:35):
That money and she shine to the NBA.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
They gonna hate you even more. I hate Listen, they
can't do anything to me.
Speaker 6 (05:42):
They're gonna hate you. Hey, they can't. They can't hate
on me.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
That when that male man better be in my damn
house the first time, the fifteen another year for another year.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Uh, that's funny, it's very very funny. But he's right. Now.
Here's the thing, Okay, here's the thing. I gotta be
honest with you. In my twenty one years in the
broadcasting business, I have no doubt that what I'm saying
(06:15):
is most often true. It is not always always true,
it is most often true. What's true in broadcasting is
true in the WNBA. Here's how it is very, very
hard to be a woman in the profession. Okay, I
(06:37):
have several friends who are really talented broadcasters. I've worked
with some of the best of the best of the best,
and I think it's hard. And it's hard because look,
most guys they don't really want to hear women talk
about sports. That's just how their brains are wired. You
(06:58):
can call men male, chovenes, pig whatever, but the reality
is most guys they just you know. I would also say,
in reality, it's the same with people with a foreign accent. Like,
(07:18):
stick with you for a second and see if this
makes sense to you. You know, when you're watching soccer, okay,
no matter what World Cup or even if you watched
Champions League whatever, For whatever reason, when you're watching, you
seem to gravitate towards people with a British accent. Right,
for whatever reason, you feel like they know more about
(07:40):
the subject matter than Alexi lat Less. Does you ever
notice that? No, I'm serious. It's like, for whatever reason, now,
in the NBA or in the NFL, if somebody has
a foreign accent, British accent, German accent, heck, even has
(08:00):
an Indian accent. If you have an accent from Australia,
you know. I go on the RIDEO in Australia. I
love my blogs down there, but when they talk about
like NFL football, you will instinctively find it hard to
find them credible. And I think the reason is because
(08:22):
we all assume, right or wrong, that we know more
about the things we did growing up, and if you
grew up the way that we grew up. Right and Americans,
we know football guys, we play football, we watch football,
we go to high school football games, baseball as well,
maybe basketball, And for whatever reason, instinctively, when we hear
a guy's voice with an accent which is not one
(08:45):
of from the United States, we believe that they know
less about people who have some form of American accent. Well,
the same is true for women. We dismiss their voices
of times and sports wrongfully so most times because our
thought is, well, they didn't play when you're going up
(09:07):
like you were, you were doing other things. When the
reality is some women who are on the radio or
on TV are far more accomplished athletically have a far
greater sense of sports, not all of them. And sometimes
you know, like in TV, we forced stuff, but then
many of the men and some of it doesn't even matter,
(09:27):
Like you're reading scores and highlights. Who cares as men
or women just do a good job, make me laugh,
make me smile and get out of the way, like
that's truly it. But I will tell you that having
friends who are women in the business, they'll say, like, look,
it could be really hard because some people don't find
women to be credible, no matter how credible they actually are.
(09:50):
That's reality. Here's another reality again, not all, but a
much higher percentage of women are incredible. Petty. If you
were to ask the ten biggest broadcasters in sports, and
(10:11):
maybe I don't know, I can't tell you about news.
I have some friends in news, but in sports, you
asked the ten biggest women, they will tell you that
the that the people that give them the most adjuda
that that are the hardest sometimes to work with and
deal with. Are women, which doesn't make any sense, right
like women should It doesn't mean you have to unite
(10:31):
and grow power and all do things together. But a
lot of them, boy, they talk a lot of trash
about the rest of the whereas guys like I don't,
I don't care it is, don't women like man? Can
it be caddy man? Can it be petty? Jay stew
You've worked on a couple of the big television lots.
(10:52):
Do I have any validity accuracy with what I'm saying?
Speaker 2 (10:56):
I don't know if I can co sign on that
last part, but I I can tell you the testimonials
I received, and by and large it is a much
tougher business for women to be in than men. Absolutely.
But as far as who's more petty, I don't know.
Barkley seemed to be saying that men are more petty,
(11:18):
but you disagree.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
No, I think I think women are women are. I
think I think NBA guys are super petty and jealous.
Whatever I think most guys, I don't think most is
I think women can be incredibly petty, incredibly catty, and
not have an understanding that like, like Barkley said, like
if anything, you should champion this woman, what she's doing
(11:45):
is good for all of you. Instead of complaining about
your lot in life, enjoy the fact your lot in
life's pretty good and getting better. And her popularity is
the reason why. You know, her popularity is the reason
why I just look, I've been doing this a long
time and I we've all seen. Can you imagine if
(12:11):
when who came over last year to Miami in soccer? Yeah,
I mean, can you imagine if guys, you know, Messi
comes over and there was just like, I, you know,
I can't believe and I get it that this is
Messi stepping down level of competition. It's not really a
(12:31):
parallel to her stepping up in level of competition, But
it's just this lack of sense of how it actually works.
You had two players from the Phoenix Mercury complaining about
flying about flying commercial from Phoenix to Las Vegas. Now, look,
if the w NBA teams want to fly charter, that's
(12:54):
their rights. But in terms of cost benefit analysis, from
Phoenix to Vegas is maybe an hour flight. Maybe if
I'm running a WNBA team, like of course I'm flying
commercial there, it's like ten x more expensive to fly
(13:18):
charter and it's so unnecessary. I'm not saying that charters
aren't useful, especially the Connecticut Sun useful. Phoenix is a
hub you can find anywhere in America, anywhere in the
world from Phoenix. Why the hell do you gotta fly
charter to go to Las Vegas? But what's happened is
just the catydus and pettiness is at peak. The entitlement
(13:42):
is like, what is going on here and what's been
built up over time is this resentment of really the
NBA and maybe the media because you feel like you
haven't been covered right. But the reality to it is
get over yourself, cut out the pettiness. And I agree
(14:04):
with Barkley. I agree with the bron women hating on
Caitlin Clark, and you can say, like, look, she's gonna
have to get better, she's gonna have to get more efficient.
This this is hard. She's a rookie. We're the best
in the world. She's got to join us, and she's
got to lift up a franchise that was so don downtrodden.
They got the number one pick. All of that stuff
is fine, but it's a cattiness and the pettiness that
(14:28):
just I don't know to me that turn turn turns
me off. Okay, so you got the Chicago sky Is
that right? New York Liberty makes sense?
Speaker 2 (14:39):
That's Angel Reese's team, right.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
New York Liberty or Sky scotgo Scott. Yeah, I guess
Chicago Sky is like Chicago Skyline?
Speaker 7 (14:49):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Is that? Why?
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Yeah? Phoenix Mercury because the thermometer and the mercury. Right,
that's where we get the Phoenix Mercury s Yes, Washington Mystics.
I don't know. I'm not sure.
Speaker 8 (15:06):
Wizards huh, Wizards to play off? The Wizards play off
the Mizards, right?
Speaker 5 (15:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Okay, you have l A Sparks. What is that about?
Speaker 4 (15:17):
Anybody don't know?
Speaker 1 (15:20):
That one's a weird one.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Maybe because they play in the summer and fourth of July.
You use those sparks.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Reach Stretch, Armstrong Reach Dallas Wings? Do they play by
the airport?
Speaker 6 (15:34):
Wings?
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Was a good show.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
It was good, but it wasn't great.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
No, it wasn't great. I said good.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
I did oversell it, right, Solid Show.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
TV, Hold on, hold on, I'd like to retract. I'd
like to retract. I'm gonna go with Dan Solid Solid
Uh Seattle Storm. Yeah, you got the alliteration, plus it
rains there all the time. Atlanta dream. Does anybody know
what i'd se Lanta Dream? Is? That? Is that a
play on mmka.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Yep, I have a dream? Yeah, that makes sense?
Speaker 1 (16:08):
But why Atlanta?
Speaker 3 (16:10):
I think he a lot of his work was done
in the state of Georgia and in the city of Atlanta.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Las Vegas Aces makes sense. Phoenix, Mercury, Okay, Minnesota.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Lynx, Bobcats up there?
Speaker 1 (16:21):
You know, are there in Minnesota?
Speaker 3 (16:23):
I would assume, so.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Okay, Connecticut Sun. That's because they play in the Mohegan Son.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
That's kind of a weird Huh. That's kind of a
weird one.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
It's because of they play in the Mohegan Sun. That's
what they get it from.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
And to me, I think I think the Fever should
do the exact same thing. They need to put their
nickname up for sale. I guarantees a major sponsor will
buy that. It's more revenue. I have a couple of suggestions.
Go for popcorn, you know, like, get your popcorn ready?
Orville Reddenbacker came from Indiana. Ibout that, Yes.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Get your popcorn ready?
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Okay, give me another one.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
Princess of Wales.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna skip that one.
Speaker 8 (17:02):
Indiana Princess of Wales, anybody, anyone, It's just memories, Yes, Nicole,
what about Nicole Smith?
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Anna, Nicole Smith, Indiana Nicole Smith.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
That's great, that's good.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Anymore. You made Sam laugh and not talk. So well
done by you.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
But fever makes me think of night sweats.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
You know, I think it should be Indiana Basketball fever.
That would be cool, Like like the Knicks are the
New York Knickerbockers, right, but they're called the New York
Nicks Indiana basketball fever. They go by the fever. I
love that, And then you could have then you can
have sweat. Should say Indiana basketball fever, right, and then
the fever is the logo. But Indiana fever just makes
me think of COVID really.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
And the only thing contagious the fever is losing, losing. Oh.
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I think MB when he's at his best is in
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You know.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
I know he won the MVP going back to last year,
and I love the Anthony Edwards, but he does he's
not yet to the point where he's making others better
as well? What what what is the ceiling for Luca
in terms of how he's perceived if they get to
the NBA finals.
Speaker 7 (19:33):
First of all, congratulations on the new gig.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Thank you.
Speaker 7 (19:37):
I'm pretty fired up about that. Uh that's pretty good stuff. Yeah,
Luca's pretty good. Uh that's pretty good. Uh, pretty good
observation there. I think, you know, I was thinking about
this this week just about oh last night, well I was.
I was writing the All NBA stuff and thinking about
(19:58):
how this is a guy who he leads the league
in scoring, he's second in the league in assists, and
I think he was third in the MVP, you know,
pretty far behind, Like he really didn't have a chance
to win that. And I'm wondering why, because the MVPs
have gone to foreign players for a number of years,
(20:18):
so that's not it. I don't know if it's because
he plays so slowly, or because Dallas has deemed a
bad defensive team and so we think he stinks defensively.
It was because he looks like he's not in shape,
even though obviously he is. It could be because he
complains through officials every time down the floor, and people
(20:40):
get tired of watching it like I'm just I'm you know,
I'm airing my my thought process here on your show
because I'm not quite sure I'm a voter. I didn't
vote for him as MVP, certainly high on my ballot.
But he's he is the best player. He's he's he is, Uh,
(21:02):
he's doing the most statistically. Maybe he's not the best
analytics and analytically that's joker, but yeah, he's he's great.
And and now he's got his team back in the
conference finals, but it's not against the Warriors, and he's
got a real chance to get to the finals. Now
figure it out with Kyrie. They made some good trades,
(21:24):
they're better. So yeah, I mean, I think that if
we had thought that he's still down in the pecking order,
I think now is the chance for him to change
that conversation and position himself now to be on everybody's
mind to vote for him for MVP next year.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Stell Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Joe Varden
is our guest.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Bigger staff lost his job in Cleveland. It's not it's
not a surprise to those of us who've been paying attention,
right It's yeah, but I mean, look, before injury, they
were pushing the Celtics. So what's what's behind this? Because
again based upon record, based upon how we viewed Cleveland,
(22:13):
based upon the fact that they were giving the Celtics
everything they could handle before Donovan Minshew got hurt, why
did Dan Gilbert and his crew decide to pull the
pull the plug?
Speaker 7 (22:24):
Hey, Cleveland is beautiful in the summer, so you know,
I don't know what you meant by how we viewed Cleveland,
but Green Bay the same. Hey, baby, But listen, this
has been going on for a year and he just
(22:47):
did not have the confidence of of the of the
important players and I and it's it's hard to really
continue the conversation without saying that, I mean that means Donovan. Now,
Donovan is not like Lebron in so far as like
when Lebron doesn't like the coach, you know, Like I mean,
(23:11):
obviously we knew this about Donovan, but but it's obvious
to absolutely everyone who's watching the team and listening to
the to the interviews and reading the stories, because Lebron
will do this, He will take swipes, his body language
will be bad, like the whole nine yards. We all
know what I'm talking about here. Donovan doesn't do that. Okay,
(23:32):
he plays it a different way, but it's unequivocal that
he did not have the amount of confidence and faith
in JB for JB to continue in the shop. And
that is the best way to explain why this's happened,
because otherwise you're talking about a team that advanced further
(23:57):
in the playoffs than it did a year ago, has
advanced further in the postseason each of the last two
years than it did the previous year, and then in
that third year that I'm talking about when they made
the play in Before that, Doug, they were the worst
team in the NBA for three years. Sure, all of
this has changed under JB. He's like, I think he's
(24:20):
something like the fifth winning as coach in franchise history.
And it's not like, you know, it's not like the
Cavs have a bat you know, like they're one of
those teams that don't have a history. I mean, they've
they're they're champions, and they were really good in the
eighties too, So you know, he's he did what he
was asked to do. There are a couple of things.
(24:41):
One they they they've they had rough All Star post
All Star breaks every year under him. That's an issue.
You can make the case that Darius Garland and Evan
Mobley are not have not like dramatically improved under him.
That's a longer discussion. But if you're trying to look
(25:02):
for reasons why this happened, like you could say that
that's two. But it's a players league and the players,
not just Donovan, but the players just didn't look at
him the way. You need players to buy into the
coach for this for this to work. What do they
(25:23):
do with donod Mitchell, Well, they offer him of you know,
what is it, four years and two hundred and eight million.
I think that's what the numbers are that they offer
it to him. Of course they do, and they also
allow him to help pick the coach if he whatever
input that he wants there. You know, this is kind
(25:43):
of a bold move Doug in a way, and Kobe Altman,
the team president, like he even he alluded to this
in his statement today. He says, and I'm paraphrasing, but
he says, hey, we did a lot under JB. And
we really are grateful for him. And I think those
words are genuine, by the way, But then he says,
he says, sometimes you have to do something bold and
(26:05):
aggressive to try and win a championship. So what they've
done here is they've sort of, if we're playing chess,
it's now Donovan's move, and they've kind of pushed him
into a place where like, look, we we fired the
coach that was winning games here because we want you here.
(26:26):
And so I think that the plausible deniability that Donovan
has worked really hard to keep by by not doing
the body language stuff that I was just talking about,
to kind of help the door now, because there isn't
another explanation for what happened here other than the players,
of which Donovan is the leader, as the best most
you know, the most decorated player in that room. You know,
(26:51):
couldn't play for him. Okay, we got rid of that guy,
So now what So I think, you know, I guess
like we won't know until Ottoman formally agrees, but you know,
it feels like this is going to happen, and you know,
I mean they want to move forward with him.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Stut Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, you
spoke about Lebron. I mean, he not going anywhere, but
I mean, I know he showed up at Cleveland, but
this like classic Lebron, right, yeah, right, I'm gonna show
up at Cleveland for a game and do the bow
(27:30):
just a little tweak, just to make sure that everybody
knows I'm still Lebron James, and I want to stay
in LA but I'm gonna get kind of my way
without trying to get my way. Is JJ Reddick being
head coach getting his way?
Speaker 7 (27:42):
I don't think so. It's and that's kind of a
that's a delicate one because there's obviously a relationship there
between them, a business relationship. The podcast they do is
pretty cool. Certainly Lebron respects JJ's mind. But when it
comes to this coaching thing, I mean, I am sure
(28:02):
that Lebron has not been very involved and certainly has
not said to Jeanie or Rob to hire JJ, not
in any way that shape or form. You know, I
don't know at this stage of his career, I don't
know that it matters to him who the who the
(28:25):
coaches anymore, maybe the way that it once did. I mean,
he's gonna be forty if he stays in Los Angeles,
which we assume he will, you know, Anthony Davis is
still going to be there. You know, they'll try to
add another star, but a lot of the pieces that
he's used to will be there, and so you know,
he's just he's gonna want someone who can put players
(28:47):
in the right places, who can have you know, good
solid rotations, and who will play lineups that frankly, can
give him some protection on the defensive end. Darvin did
not do that until until the end of the year
when he started to play ruie at the three, and
that helped Lebron. You can't play small at this day
(29:10):
and age with Lebron in the regular season because he
needs to take possessions off defensively, and the Lakers suffered
for that. So, you know, I think that's what he
where he is with the coaching stuff, with the Cleveland stuff,
I get it. He's been to Cleveland as a non
player twice in the last ten years. In twenty fourteen,
(29:32):
he went there for the Junisol Galskas's retirement, the Jersey retirement,
and he came back as a free agent a few
months later. And then now it's twenty twenty four and
he's there for a playoff game. So I understand, but
he can't put any more pressure on the Lakers than
than there already is, and he can't get them to
(29:54):
do anything else because they've already basically dead or shown
that they will do what he wants to do. So
the other thing, and I still understand, I still get it,
but I will say that if you think about all
the time that Lebron has been back to Cleveland since
he won that title in sixteen and went to those
(30:14):
four finals, every time was a work trip. And he
gets this thunderous applause whatever, but then he's got to
go right back to work. You know, he's got to
whether he's playing for the Lakers or it's the All
Star Game, whatever the case may be. He had a
job to do. And you can't really really revel in
a moment. So he and Savannah and Rich come to Cleveland.
(30:35):
They're off, you know, they get to sip some wine
all night long, and they know what they know what
the cabs are going to do, they know the celebration
that will ensue once they introduced him, and for the
first time he just got to sit there and soak
it in and not have to put his mind elsewhere,
Like he got to just feel the appreciation in Cleveland
(30:58):
for what he's accomplished there. So like putting my cynicism
as a journalism as a journalist aside for just one second.
It was a cool moment and I'm kind of glad
he did it.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Great point, Joe, awesome stuff. You can read Joe's work
in the Athletic. He's outstanding. Joe Barden joining us in
the Doug Gotleib Show. Joe, thanks so much for joining us.
We'll talk soon.
Speaker 6 (31:20):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on
Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
You're like the podcast today, I well, I don't want
guarantee it. I don't wanna get it. You want to
know the weirdest thing about the last week of my
life is there's a lot of weird stuff. You want
to the last weird thing? Uh? Yes, people calling me coach,
like everybody calls me coach like I no longer have
and and I'm supposed to introduce myself because like when
(31:55):
I text people, I always say hey, this is Doug
or DG or I have other nicknames. Uh. But yeah,
just like now, it's like I'm the president sort of thing,
where like you no longer coach, no longer Doug. It's weird,
Hey coach, Howry coach, Hey coach. I mean, I'm not
going complaining, it's just weird. Anyway. Let's get to the press, the.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
Press here, Dan, Hey Doug.
Speaker 8 (32:27):
And just like the President, you'll keep that title forever
because you are a coach, and so twenty years from
now they may still call you Doug or DG or
whatever those other nicknames were, but there will still people
twenty years from now I'll call you coach, especially if
you coached them. Yes, yes, that's not going to change,
(32:49):
all right, nothing's going to change right now with Scotti Scheffler,
the world's top ran golfer, is currently on the course,
by the way, a colonial hanging in there modest round
today of even are through eleven holes and four shots
back of the lead. But the big news involving Scheffler
is that the charges against him will still move forward.
That could change between now and his arraignment date of
(33:11):
June three. This is also what we found out about
the situation involving Scheffler last week and the police officer
that arrested Scheffler.
Speaker 5 (33:20):
We understand the seriousness of the father to capture this interaction,
which is why our officer has received corrective action for
this policy violation.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
Corrective action for what do we actually do?
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Nobody can like, what are we doing here?
Speaker 4 (33:40):
I don't know myself. I have no idea.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
This is such a dog and pony show. Hey man,
how about how about one of these things? I overreacted?
You overreacted. It was a really bad look for everybody around.
Let's just move on with our lives. Is that that hard?
Speaker 4 (33:59):
Nope? See, good for me.
Speaker 8 (34:01):
What I think happened is that we had found out
that the bodycam footage was or that there was no
body cam footage. He didn't have his body cam on.
And I feel that they overreacted. That they wanted to say, hey,
we punish this guy, but still did not get their
ducks in a row with the District Attorney's office in
terms of what they're going to do in.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
Terms of prosecuting him.
Speaker 8 (34:22):
But they just felt the need to tell everybody that
they did give a violation to this officer, which to
your point, doesn't make any sense at all.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
But I think that's what they did.
Speaker 8 (34:34):
Because even because we were going through scenarios yesterday and
saying like why would they do this? And one of
the points you said was I think they're going to
try to be over transparent, and then maybe that is
the case, but it just seemed to really fall flat today.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
I just I don't I don't understand, you know, the
most valuable commodity on Earth, okay, more so than diamonds,
platinum even whenever they make the batteries, that is time,
and we are wasting so much time on something which
nobody cares about anymore, and nobody was truly hurt or maimed.
(35:12):
It's just a bad look all around. What are we doing?
Speaker 5 (35:16):
You know?
Speaker 8 (35:17):
And to that point, all of the attention has unfortunately
been taken off the person who lost their life that
all of this you know stuff ended up happening because
they were tending to that matter. So somebody even asked
Jordan Speed at the press conference this week of you know,
like you guys having a good time joking with him,
and he's like, yeah, you know, the phrase too soon
(35:37):
probably fits right here. I think that's all pretty appropriate anyway,
Moving on, Doug Submition of the NFL, John said in
Darren Waller not attending voluntary OTAs as he continues to
evaluate whether he wants to play next season. Could be
seeing Darren Waller maybe entering retirement as that continues with
the Giants.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Yeah, I mean, Darren Waller sitch an incredible comeback story
from his personal demons and drug addictions or whatever. Then
you know, all of a sudden, now disappointing here last year.
Then he's getting divorced and now he might not play
like that. There's one of those, Like, man, you just
hope Darren Waller's okay.
Speaker 8 (36:11):
Cardinals signed first round pick wide receiver Marvin Harrison Junior
to his rookie deal, all of which is guaranteed for
the product from Ohio State.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
I mean he's I mean, I can't guarantee he's going
to be a star, but man, it really feels like
his seal is his floor is really good wide receiver.
Speaker 8 (36:30):
And a lot of a lot of court stuff today
the NBA not court stuff, But the NBA has reportedly
closed their investigation into the Josh Giddy matter after allegations
he had an inappropriate relationship.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
With an underage girl in Newport Beach, California.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Well, it definitely leaked over into his play. He did
not have a good, good playoff run and we'll see
what that means for his future with the.
Speaker 8 (36:53):
Thunder Yankees speak to Mariners today. Five nothing, Aaron Judge
and John Carlos Stanton with home runs and that is ivage.
Just that is the press.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
Get out of there and pressed.
Speaker 6 (37:03):
That was the press.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
We got to get Aaron Boon on. Do you know
that Aaron Boone and my brother got into a fight
in a high school basketball game? No, you know, Villa
Park versus Orange's big rivalry, Villa Park kind of the
that's the good part of town Orange. We were down
in al Madina kind of the tough part of town.
But yeah, yeah, back in the day, back in the day.
I check out the podcast. It's available now. It' Stug
(37:25):
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