December 6, 2024 • 37 mins
Doug explains why he was right all along on Lonzo Ball's injury history being linked to his father's Big Baller Brand shoes and he was right about racism not being a factor in Eric Bienemy not getting an NFL head coaching job. Doug welcomes college football analyst and talk show host Danny Kanell onto the show to break down the college football playoff bracket. Plus, Isaac Lowenkron takes Doug through a Friday edition of "The Press".
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weekends here, Championship weekend in college football, what a bummer
for some teams. Like you're like, yeah, you gotta play,
but you're still gonna be in the It's it's the
college basketball thing right where some of these things doesn't
They don't mean anything crazy crazy, Okay, So I got
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a lot to get to here. I am not right
all the time, but I will tell you that my takes,
my takes, my takes do come from a place of knowledge, education,
and belief. And there are two of my previously by
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some people's estimation, incendiary takes, incendiary takes that have proven
to be correct over the past week. Yeah, I'm gonna
start with one of them, and then I'm gonna get
to the bigger one. Now here's a smaller one. Lonzo
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ball has come out and he was asked about worrying
about his knee injuries that really have hurt his career, right,
a series of muscal tears and surgeries and last year
off and he's not nearly the same athlete that he
was because of the succession of knee injuries. And as
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I shared with you at the time and since and
on social media, I was told by several members of
the Lakers organization that though they didn't have proof, they
long suspected, long suspected that the big Baller brand shoes
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were when you want to say, more likely than not
to have caused the initial knee injury, that they when
he planted his foot and had the original knee injury,
it tore up a pair of shoes, and like, look,
I know we think of sneakers as like, hey, they
can make them in Taiwan for however little and then
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there's all these levels of up charge. The genius to Nike. Hey,
the genius to Nike is that, and Adidas has done
this as well with the Sambas and all of their
other old school shoes. You know, you don't have to
do R and D on shoes that have were around
kind of fifty years ago. Now, if you want to
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play in them, you do, right the college athlete, the
professional athlete, the high school athletes. Bigger, stronger, faster moves.
Puts more pressure on it and they they have to
do a lot more research on it. But like you know,
between Jordan's and Sambas and Adida's forums and whatever, all
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of their popularity, Like granted, they didn't do the amount
of R and D they do now, but they have
done it over years and years and years and years.
But sneakers that you play in, cleats that you play in,
there's an incredible expense laid out by these shoe companies
to make sure that they now only help you in
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the sport, but they don't put pressure on the parts
of your body that are already seeing the pressure, like
your knees, your ankles, your hips, your back, et cetera,
et cetera. Big bart of brand was a bunch of
cheap shoes that they bought and slapped on the BBB logo.
And then Lonzo Ball, his prize pupil, ends up hurting
his knee. And because he hurt his knee in his
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first year, he didn't have that first off season. Without
that first offseason, you can't really develop your game, didn't
change his shot as much. The second year wasn't particularly good,
and then he had another knee injury, missed another off season,
and by then kind of the die was cast. And
now he missed all of last year with that reoccurring
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knee issue where he's got some degenerative tissue in that knee.
I've said it, I've tweeted about it. There was a
ton of backlash. I didn't know what I was talking about.
I was a hater and I was like, look, this
is the same thing with wearing sneakers. Is the same
thing as having an agent. We're having a lawyer. Can
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you look over a contract and do it? Of course,
of course you can do it. Yeah, read over your contra,
you do it. But if you have a lawyer or
it was an agent, do it. They've seen one hundred
of those contracts. They know the things that shouldn't be
in there. They know how to protect you. Don't be cheap.
Spend the extra ten to twenty percent whatever it costs you,
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four percent, whatever the fee. Spend the money and let
a professional do that. The same is true here, you know.
And what's really gross is that Lonzo's come out and
said he was told that there were no shoe companies interested,
so they just went with Big Baller brand, which sounds
like the dad just wanted to do Big Baller bread.
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Of course his brother does Puma. Now there's something else
that happened this week, which I don't need pats on
the back. But I've never ever, ever, ever, ever ever
felt like anything I've said or done or how I
feel inside my heart. No one who knows me would
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ever think that I'm a racist. But our colleague at
Fox Sports, Nick Wright, essentially labeled me and some others
as such because I have been what I believe is
a truth teller about Eric b Enemy and why he
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never got a position as head coach in the National
Football League. If you're listening to the show, and you've
been listening to the show for years, we've been doing
it for over twenty years. I've always been somebody who
have said, like, when I hear something that I know
to be true or believe to be true and have
enough people, I've shared it with you, it's not from
any a place other than what I know or believe
or been told to be true. And the thing that's
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always bothered me is when others in our business can
impositions of some sort of power, and when they're researching
or when they're thinking of a take and they could
research it and find out the realities to it, they
instead go with their feelings or talk to their boys.
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It becomes an echo chamber, and that's the take that
they have. Case in point, Eric B. Enemy. Okay, Jay Stu,
you've been with me throughout this entire thing, right, take
me back to the Eric Bnemy discussion.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Well, the the Enemy discussion that we've been having for
what two or three years now is that there were
a select few people with blue chock marks on Twitter
former Twitter that claim that Eric Benemy had not been
given a head coaching job because of the color of
his skin. Nick Wright just this week, amid Eric B.
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Enemy partying ways with the UCLA, he writes this on
his Twitter account. The worst people on the Internet are
singling out and attacking Mina chimes as the one person
who was calling out the league for be enemy not
get in a head coaching shot years ago, as if
many of us weren't saying the same things. So here's
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the clip from the same timeframe for what it's worth.
I stand by all of this today, and the only
addition I would make is that the one white offensive
offensive coordinator I listed who didn't get the head coaching job,
Brian Callahan, did get a job. Now, Douglat's just play
a little bit from Nick Wright two or three years ago.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
I understand there are some people in the audience that
are far, far more bothered by accusations of race playing
a factor in things than they are by actual racism,
and that's pretty bothersome. But let me just give you
facts here. You can't get the job because Andy Reid,
and everybody knows Andy Reid calls the plays. Well, that
didn't hurt Matt Nagy, that didn't hurt Doug Peterson, that
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didn't hurt Andy's last offensive coordinator in Philly. So what
do coordinators offensive coordinators of Super Bowl teams do. Well,
The Chiefs have been a tender for five years. So
let's use that sample twenty eighteen Super Bowl Patriots Rams. Well,
Zach Taylor went from that job to a head coaching job,
and Josh McDaniel now has a coaching job. What about
Kansas City, San Francisco, Well, that was Eric Bienemy and
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Mike McDaniel was the lead guy in San Francisco. Now
is his head coaching job now? To be fair, Mike
McDaniel's bye Rachel, but I'm not sure people knew that
until after he got the job, and he certainly I
don't think dealt with the assumed. If we're being honest here,
A lot of the problem is a lot of the
white decision makers don't think the black guy interviewing with
the job is quite smart enough to get the job.
I don't know if Mike had to deal with that.
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Next Super bowls Ken City, Tampa. Neither one of those
guys offensive coordinators have head coaching jobs. They are Eric
Bnemy and Byron Left which Eric just had to leave
his job, Byron just got fired from his. The next
one is Cincinnati in the Rams. Now, Callahan hasn't gotten
a job yet, but it looked like he was very
close this offseason Kevin O'Connell, of course does have a job.
And then the Super Bowl again we have Eric Bienemy
and Shane Stike and Eric Bnemy now has had to
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leave to go get a chance, and Shane stikeen of
course has a job.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Okay, first thing is there's a ton of there's a
curious omission there. What is the curious omission? And again
that was from a couple of years ago, right, What
was curiously omitted was Eric b Enemy was reportedly the
offensive coordinator with the Kansaity Chiefs, and the Kansady Chiefs
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allowed him to go to the exact same position with
the Washington commanders. Wait what Yeah? Yeah, failed to mention
that Andy Reid, who some people believe is now creeping
closer and there are some who believe he's passed Bill
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Belichick in terms of the greatest coaches ever, could have
easily kept Eric b Enemy. Right, I mean, listen, you
can buy the whole like he had to get get
out of the nest to spread his wings and call plays.
But if they really, really, really really valued him, he
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would be the head coach in waiting. First thing is,
here's one thing that is not reported. We act like
offensive coordinator in the National Football League is like you're
making fifteen cents an hour, Like you're making upwards up
three or four million dollars a year. It's an unbelievable position.
He didn't really get along with Mahomes. He wasn't beloved
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and whatever you think of Matt Naggy and what happened
with the Chicago Bears, by most people's estimation and most
people's estimation, he is more likely to be the next
head coach of the Kansasity Chiefs than Eric b Enemy
or than anybody else. Right, isn't a Spagnolo their defensive corner.
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He's a former head coach as well, right, So I mean, look,
the first thing is also should be mentioned, and getting
a head coaching job is really really hard, really hard,
really art. But the most bothersome part about it is, well,
there's two or three levels. One like Nick is talking about,
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like the most most not all white owners gms think
the black guy's not smart enough? Who named them? Name them?
I just again, there's this narrative out there which is
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so far from the truth about whether or not owners
want a black head coach to be around to interest
that doesn't matter I would concede that there are boosters
in colleges that want to have a guy they feel
like they can have beers with, they feel like they
can hang around, and maybe that has led some to
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being some black coaches to not getting a job. I
would say there's also an equal number of places where
they're like, look, we got to break through this glass
ceiling and we need to hire a minority head coach
just because we haven't before, and give new people opportunities.
I would say those numbers actually probably cross each other out,
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and there's probably more in the ladder than there is
the former but the NFL. And I know this because
I've done what you're supposed to do in this job,
and look, I'm not perfect at it. I've talked to
people and come up with opinions and shared them and
some of them have been wrong, but it comes from
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talking to people inside those businesses. One, I've done the
actual job of talking about Eric Banaby by talking with
gentle managers and presidents who have interviewed him and considered
him for their head coaching position and taking notes and
share it with you on the radio and share it
with people on social media. The second part is that
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we're acting like there's all these ancillary reasons that you
hire an NFL coach. The beauty to coaching in the NBA,
the beauty to coaching in college in the NFL, is
there's only one agenda. You don't have to recruit, you
don't have to worry about boosters, you don't have to
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do a radio show, you don't have to do a
TV show, you don't have to do anything under raise money.
All you have to do is win. So again, what
Nick Wright is saying is, yeah, I know this guy again.
If Eric Benemy is as good as he believes he is,
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So what you're saying is, Okay, Eric Banemy is really
really good and gives us a great opportunity to go
to a super Bowl, But we'd rather hire somebody else
who's as or less proven simply because he's white. What
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and I've said this for I don't know how long
this nonsense started, but let's just say for the better
part of five years, because it predated COVID COVID is
is this In the NFL? Only one thing matters is winning.
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And if you think for even one second an owner
is going to go like how many candidates you got great,
who gives us the best chance? Hold on, is he white? Okay,
then we'll hire him? Like what this that doesn't happen.
And all you have to do is actually pick up
the phone and call any of these gms who have
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a job open or who interviewed, and go take me
through the candidates. What'd you like about this guy? What
didn't you like? Right? It's like Brian Floores, his lawsuit
is just completely nonsensical, right that he got fired because
he's black, Like your bosses. The whole front office in
Miami was black. What are we doing? You know? It's
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like you got fired because you were impossible to work with.
And maybe you can say, hey, I was right about Tua.
But the general manager and director player personnel and everyone
else in the front office decided to draft Tua and
the owner signed off on it. And then Tua has
come out and said, you're a bad person. You're a
horrible person. And by the way, one of the general
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managers I talked to was the one who told me
before Flores. The year before Flores got the job in Miami,
he was like, you know who's gonna be really good
head coach? I think Flores is as long as he
keeps his ego under control. You know those Patriot guys,
they got massive egos because they all think they're Bill Balchick.
And that's what happened there. So I love being right,
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I hate being wrong. I love winning. I hate losing
even more. And this is two dubs for me, and
I would be more than a little bit embarrassed if
I'm Nick right on doubling down and dying on a
hill that everyone else is vacated. It's like Nick is
still in protest mode, in COVID mode, and we've all
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kind of moved on. And the reality is that Eric
b Enemy was the offensive coordinator for the one hundred
and seventeenth best offense in college football. The head coach
Sean Foster's black, the athletic director Martin Jarmond is black,
and they both said his services are no longer needed.
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And we can spin it how everyone he wants to
get back to the NFL okay as what he took. Yeah,
he was getting money from the commanders. That money's running out.
If UCLA wanted to hire him, they would have hired him. Instead,
they moved on to another coach. Good luck Diane on
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Let's get ready for championship weekend. In college football, Danny
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Knell joins us. He's a football analyst talk show host.
He's joining us on behalf of bet online. Check got
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game lines. What do you think of the current bracket?
Speaker 6 (19:01):
You mean the way the seating has worked where it's
almost impossible to pick. Who are you talking about? Like,
who's the twelve seed?
Speaker 5 (19:08):
Is it?
Speaker 6 (19:09):
Should it be one of the three SEC teams? Should
it be ten and two Miami? Like You've got to
give me a little more direction on the.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Don't you know it's just opening in a neutral Dude,
We both learned in the same place. It's when you
see the bracket, ye are what do you think? Like?
What is what is the top line thing thought that
Danny Caneo has.
Speaker 6 (19:29):
So the top line thing for me is that extra spot.
And really there's only going to be one spot that's
going to be debatable, and that's even remains in doubt
because if Clemson beats SMU, I still think SMU should
get in, righty. Why because they're in the top twelve
already and they're pretty firmly inside the twelve. They're not
even on the bubble.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Hold on, but why who have they beaten? That impresses you?
Speaker 6 (19:53):
I would ask the same thing about Notre Dame. I
would ask the same thing about Tennessee. There's a lot
on hold on.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Hold on, hold on. Okay, So let's let's go. Let's
go through. Okay. I'm just I'm gonna ask you, and
please don't think you know me. I actually respect you. Now.
You know twice as much about college football I do,
maybe three, four or five times more, Okay, I just
know as a fan and knowing how sports kind of work.
Do you think s MU is better than Notre Dame?
Speaker 5 (20:21):
Well?
Speaker 6 (20:21):
Did we did? I think Michigan was better than Ohio
State this year. I got it.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
I understand it. But but like, look, Notre Dame in
SMU have the same record, Okay, So it's not like
I'm comparing incomparable incomparable. So I'm just gonna ask you, Okay,
they beat.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
A and M on the road, yep.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
And you know, you could go s C on the road.
You could go Army that you know who was at
the time, you know whatever, Louisville. Same same wins, right,
they have the same they have. They actually have better
ACC wins if we're honest, better ACC wins, and they
have the A and M went on the road. And
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I think, and I think truthfully, you know, Notre Dame
is two touchdowns better than SMU, and it's not really
that close. And a good portion of it is one
they've been there a while, they got better players, they
got more nil. I know SMU has got a lot
of money to throw around, but I mean the reality
is they're better, correct And.
Speaker 6 (21:18):
That's why I'm okay with Notre Dame being a five
or six seed and SMU probably being behind them. Even
if they win the ACC, they'll probably still be ranked
behind Notre Dame. If you want to do you want
to do the same exercise with Indiana?
Speaker 2 (21:31):
No, but hold let's yeah, yes I do. I want
to do Indiana second, because I don't think they belong
in either. I don't think SMU. I don't think Indiana
belongs in. I just I don't. But if SMU loses
and Clemson is the ACC champion, do you have sme
does SMU belong in the field.
Speaker 6 (21:50):
I think it depends on the score. I think if
they get beat handily, and I would say by two
touchdowns or more, and really you'll know, like if you
watch the game and you see them get pushed around
and it's pretty controlled by Clemson, I think they're out.
But if they lose on the last second field goal,
you know, if it's a close game, or Clemson drives
and you know, scores a touchdown late to win the game,
I think SMU should be in. And like, that's where
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this whole system kind of bothers me because and again,
I use Indiana, I'll use Tennessee, I'll use Notre Dame.
Those teams are sitting at home this weekend with their
you know, feet kicked up on the couch watching SMU
have to subject themselves to another data point, as the
committee likes to call it, while they don't have to
do anything like they're already done their resumes in the books,
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where this is really a postseason game, like it's I mean,
it is a postseason game. It's a conference championship game,
so that shouldn't hinder SMU. But even saying that, like
I'm being a little bit hypocritical because I realize if
they get blown out, they'll probably left out and it'll
be pretty clear cut. But if they go toe to
toe with a team that's, you know, a top fifteen
team in Clemson, I think they would prove their value
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and should be in. Well the committee do that, I
think so. But I think there's a reason Rehet lastly
has been out there pounding the table saying this would
discourage coaches from wanting to make the conference championship. Jim Phillips,
the Commission of the ACC, has been you know, pounding
the table as well, saying this would you know, why
would we even play conference championship?
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Get you need to play this justin Okay, they need you,
like listen, Jim, stop it all you guys, stop it. Okay,
The ACC sucks because Florida State sucks this year, right,
Virginia Tech hasn't gotten back to the level of Virginia Tech.
And honestly, like we can have the Miami discussion and
they can talk about it's not just that they lost
two of their last three, it's that they should have
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lost at least two of those three that they escaped
in and you know, like there ah, whoa, wait.
Speaker 6 (23:40):
I'll push back because what's better than almost winning or
losing to Vanderbilt and getting smoked by Oklahoma, which is
what Alabama's done twice?
Speaker 2 (23:48):
But again yet they have and then but then Alabama
has really good wins Alabama.
Speaker 6 (23:53):
Georgia one good win against Georgia, Okay, which is the
win that Georgia Tech almost beat them in eight overtimes,
a team from the ACC. Like that's where I think
the brand of saying, oh they beat Georgia, it's one
of the best wins in the season. Georgia is not
the same dominant team they've been in years past. Like
that's my favorite thing about all these teams. Wait, Like
you could tell me to make the case for one
or the other, and I could make the case because
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they're every team has a flaw except for Oregon.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Yeah, okay, I would tell you I think that Alabama.
I know Wisconsin didn't end up great. I think going
they you know, at the time, Wisconsin had their starting quarterback.
They went in and smoked them. They went in and
smoked them. The Vanderbilt lost. Like, let's just be honest.
That's part of what makes the SEC way harder than
anybody else because you.
Speaker 6 (24:39):
Gotta go come on, So now you're you're drinking the
kool aid.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
I don't in the kool aid. I'm not drinking. I
live in the real world, and in the real world,
those are hold on. I'm not done in the real
world that those are twenty million dollars. Maybe Vanderbilt's a
ten million dollar team or a five million dollar team,
but you're going against twenty fifteen twenty million dollar teams
every week. Okay, the ACC, because the ACC doesn't have
any money. You know that.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
I know that.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Let's stop bs and everybody stop telling people things that
aren't true. You see it in basketball this past week,
the ACC versus the SEC. The AEC has great historic
basketball programs. They can't compete. Why they don't have the money.
It's really that simple. This is the Yankees and the
Dodgers versus the small market teams. Anybody telling you otherwise,
especially you, Danny, who know this really well, you're lying
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if you say otherwise, okay, and it doesn't mean you
win every game.
Speaker 6 (25:30):
Yeah, I do not think Vanderbilt has a ten million
dollars roster. I would say Vanderbilt's roster is similar to Duke,
who has actually been a better story and a better
team than Vanderbilt has, going nine to three, and they
actually had smu on the ropes, had six turnovers and
came up short in that. But when you talk about Duke,
everyone's like, oh, that shows you how bad the ACC is.
But when you talk about Vanderbilt, it's like, oh, Vanderbilt
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must be a great team, what a great surprise story.
That's what bothers me. I think there is parody in
college football. I think the fact that we're able to
pay players, I think a lot of that much money
has been spread around so that everyone has.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Yes, yes, yes, everybody, yes, everybody in the SEC has money.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
Everybody does not every college football has no, they don't.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
They just don't know, they don't know. They Danny Danny,
Danny either you're not being.
Speaker 6 (26:15):
On then that's why they were nine and three.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
They have they have listened. They have money in comparison
to the No. What they have is they went out
and got no house state. They spent all their money
on a quarterback. They went and got a really good quarterback.
Speaker 6 (26:28):
They have money on other players.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
But the look, the difference is. Look, I mean again,
a lot of it is resource allocation. Hey, the reason
the Big twelve isn't as good as the SEC is
they don't have as much money as the SEC. So
all those games s GAM schools in Texas, whatever, and
they just don't have as much money.
Speaker 6 (26:46):
They just don't be arguing about something for no point,
Because I think the SEC is the best conference in
college football, But how do you quantify that? To me,
that doesn't mean they should get five or six teams in.
They should be three or four, because that's already twice
as much as most as ACC and Big twelve and
maybe three times if they're only getting in one, three
or four times as many, which I am okay with.
But that's where I push back on the debate of well,
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we're just gonna limit the Big twelve in the ACC
to one team each.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Oh No, I listen, I again, my thing is I
mean Indiana, I mean Indiana. I don't get it. Somebody's
got explain. And that part of it is what you
discussed about SMU this week. Like I watch Indiana against
Ohio State. I know special teams blew it up in
the game, but Indiana's offense couldn't move the ball against
Ohio State at all. They couldn't complete a forward pass
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like it was bad.
Speaker 6 (27:33):
Indiana's defense held Ohio State's offense to their lowest output
of the season. Sure, Like, that's why I think that's my.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Favorite, really good football team. It is not an elite
football team.
Speaker 6 (27:43):
Let's see when you have twelve See that's why I
don't think there is an elite football team. Maybe it's Oregon.
They'll get tests against Penn State. But that's the best
part about the new parody that's here. I think it's
deeper than it's ever been. And I think there's a
lot of good teams. I think there's a lot of
flawed teams, and out of the twelve or third team
teams like at the top, I think any one of
them could win it all.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
I don't. I don't think Boise can win it all.
I don't think SMU can win it all. I don't
think Indiana can win it all. I don't think those
teams are those teams are a notch below. I don't
think it's really that close. I think the rest of
the teams I think I think South Carolina should be in.
Speaker 6 (28:16):
I just do do I'm with you on that one,
and that's that's one of the things I'm bummed about.
I had them as my twelfth spot, like I would
have put them in because I love the value in
playing good right now and getting better and improving throughout
the season. And the one of their losses against LSU,
they actually there was a couple bad calls that screwed them.
Two you know, touchdowns were taken off the board and
their quarterback got hurt. Like that was something the committee
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showed they should have valued. I think I didn't think
Ole Miss might have a better rather resume than Alabama.
I'm just bothered because I think Alabama is getting the
nod because they're Alabama, and a lot of these power
rankings they go back for five years, like they taking
the consideration past success, which with all the turnover on
roster makes no sense whatsoever. Plus the team that has
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with best win like they beat Georgia twenty eight to ten,
Bama beat them, barely beat them, almost blew the lead.
Like I think Old Miss is a team that's getting overlooked.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
I think all of those teams should be in. That's
that's me and I'm not an SEC one.
Speaker 6 (29:09):
Put them all on. Let's go six teams and then no,
I just I just.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Think those Okay, can we agree that giving a buye
to Boise, Yeah, it makes makes a far right.
Speaker 6 (29:21):
Here's what I'll be interested to see, Doug. If Arizona
State wins the big If I was State, I'm sure
they'll pound the table and say we're a better conference,
because they are. But if if Arizona State wins, they
need to point out to their uh to the committee,
and I would expect Kenny Dillingham to make this case.
One of their losses came on the road at Cincinnati
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by one possession and their starting quarterback didn't play. They
were playing Jeff Sims sam Levitt missed the entire game.
I would pound the table and say we are essentially
a one lost team if they do, and they're supposed
to consider when you have, you know, key players out
they could sell themselves and along with what I think
is more important that a Big twelve championship should be
more valuable in the data point situation, more so than
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the Mount West where the fourth best team is six
and six, Like, not only is it lesser competition, but
the league is actually having a really bad year. So yes,
I'm with you. I do not think Boise State should
be getting a first round by This is a.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Doug Gottlief show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, do
they win tonight?
Speaker 6 (30:22):
I don't. I think I like UNLV tonight. Barry Odom, who,
by the way, is going to be one of those
coaches that probably maybe gets announced tomorrow. That has me
a little bit worried because he is a hot name
and he was already in the SEC. He's a really
good football coach and he's done a phenomenal job. They
had the lead in the regular season against Boise State
going into the fourth quarter. I think their quarterback is
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more dynamic Cosmo League Williams as a runner. If the
cold weather tonight and Boise you know, does slow down
Boise State's pass game, I think that could be the
edge and I think it could come to an end,
and that would solve a lot of problems for the
committee because they kind of have to they position themselves.
They kind of pigeonholed themselves by having Boise state this
early with the buye. But this will solve it for
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him because then it would just be UNLV would probably
be the twelve seed, and then you can give the
Power four Conferences the champions the first four season the byes.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Danny Canel. You can check out his work on social
media and of course he's got a show on Serious
XM and of course our thanks to bet online for
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love sporrowing with you. Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 6 (31:31):
Appreciate it man. Always good catching up. We'll see you.
Speaker 5 (31:33):
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Speaker 2 (31:45):
It's Dou Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio Live here on
a Friday. Huh roll way good Thursday night football game,
wasn't it less? I think that's the thing Jayseu that
and like, I know, you can get grumpy about a
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lot of things, but I think like most people's general
grumpiness about Thursday night football is over is like a
lot like your grumpiness over NFL football in general, which
is usually not that well to played a game. Right.
You call that the Zuopa effect.
Speaker 7 (32:23):
Yes, yeah, yeah, we are in the Zuopa right now.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Except I thought last night was pretty good.
Speaker 7 (32:28):
It was, It really was.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Yeah again, And that doesn't mean that that's a trend, right,
It could be a one off. It's two of the
better teams, but last night was a good, clean and
how part of it was both those teams played last Thursday,
so they had a true week of preparation, both the
pretty good offenses. And it was entertaining, and of course,
you know you got forty three yard field goal, which
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I think I told you guys, that's an eighty percent
eighty seven percent across the board. Make inside forty is
ninety mid nineties plus. It was one play, get the yards,
win the game, and that's what they did. Let's get
to the press, the press, what you got there? I Low.
Speaker 8 (33:16):
Doug former New England Patriots head coach and man whose
carpet matches the hoodie Bill. Belichick has had a preliminary
interview with North Carolina for its head coaching job. The
Charlotte News and Observer reports that though Belichick blew them
away in the interview, he is still considered a long
shot for the job due to his age and lack
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of college coaching experience.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Did you see the most recent tweet about the job
about what his ask.
Speaker 8 (33:45):
Is a vacation home in Hilton had oys?
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Nope, nope, Jase dou Why did I say he'd want
this job?
Speaker 7 (33:55):
I did not. I did not see that.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
No, why did I say yesterday he'd want this job?
Speaker 7 (34:00):
I don't recall. What was your reason?
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Because he wants to give it to his son.
Speaker 8 (34:04):
Oh, Steve Belichick the coach and Wade.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Yeah, and so that was just that just came out
on social media that who's this Ali Conley? Okay, who's
uh recruiting college football? And NFL analyst whatever, says per sources.
Until Belichick's negotiation with North Carolina in could a guarantee
that Stephen Belichick would be named the school's head coach
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in waiting, UNC is open to that guarantee. Discussions are
not a bid to gain leverage in the NFL.
Speaker 8 (34:33):
I'm sorry, who is the source for this? As you say,
Ali Alie Oxen.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Free, Ali Conley, Ali, there's a joke.
Speaker 8 (34:41):
Anyway. Staying in college football, multiple outlets report Oklahoma State
and a contract dispute with head coach Mike Gundhy, and
that Oklahoma State has discussed firing Gundy for cause if
he does not agree to a new restructured contract for
less money. KOTV Television of Tulsa reports that Gundhy has
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a deadline of five pm today to make a decision.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
That sounds like a bluff and not a good one
by Oklahoma State, but we'll see me. He has a
basically like a lifetime rollover contract and they have to
pay twenty five million to get to get him out
of it. So I don't know what the what the
four cause is other than you know, he hat made
some comments which didn't sit well with people previously, but
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you don't get fired for some comments.
Speaker 8 (35:32):
From the state of Oklahoma to the State of Kentucky.
A better in Kentucky apparently has nothing better to do,
is betting three point one million dollars on the Philadelphia
Eagles to beat the Carolina Panthers this Sunday. It's one
of the largest bets ever reported on an NFL regular
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season game because of the odds favoring the Eagles. If
this in individual wins, they will net approximately four hundred
and forty two thousand, eight hundred dollars.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
What's the bet three.
Speaker 8 (36:09):
Point one million for the Eagles to beat the Carolina Panthers.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Okay, so it's like the in his mind, in their
mind's the surest bet ever. Just cash it in, must
be you know the thing about when they say something
too good to be true? I know usually is this
is like those guys that have posted on Twitter like
I will eat a pair of women's underpants if so
and so's school loses, and then so and so school loses,
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and then we don't see him again. This guy just
loses three million dollars, which I'm going to, of course
root for.
Speaker 8 (36:42):
I think we've said a season high for unexpected analogies today.
With that in mind, the director of that particular sportsbook said,
and I quote, we will be big Bryce Young fans
on Sunday. Glad to apparently someone is going to be
a big Bryce Young fan on Sunday and finally, the
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Kansas City Chiefs have listed receiver and returner Mcole Hardman
as questionable for some Day's game against the Chargers due
to a knee injury. Now, Hardman not a big part
of their offense as a receiver, but he is their
top returnerm.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Yes, knee locked up at practice, right, correct?
Speaker 6 (37:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (37:25):
I mean the Chiefs are held together by duct tape.
That's what looks like to me.
Speaker 7 (37:31):
And that's the press. They get out there and pressed.
Speaker 5 (37:34):
That was the press.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
All right. It should be an entertaining night and we'll
see if Boise State can win at home against UNLV. Obviously,
that would shake up the college football landscape. Have a
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weekends here, Championship weekend in college football, what a bummer
for some teams. Like you're like, yeah, you gotta play,
but you're still gonna be in the It's it's the
college basketball thing right where some of these things doesn't
They don't mean anything crazy crazy, Okay, So I got
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a lot to get to here. I am not right
all the time, but I will tell you that my takes,
my takes, my takes do come from a place of knowledge, education,
and belief. And there are two of my previously by
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some people's estimation, incendiary takes, incendiary takes that have proven
to be correct over the past week. Yeah, I'm gonna
start with one of them, and then I'm gonna get
to the bigger one. Now here's a smaller one. Lonzo
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ball has come out and he was asked about worrying
about his knee injuries that really have hurt his career, right,
a series of muscal tears and surgeries and last year
off and he's not nearly the same athlete that he
was because of the succession of knee injuries. And as
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I shared with you at the time and since and
on social media, I was told by several members of
the Lakers organization that though they didn't have proof, they
long suspected, long suspected that the big Baller brand shoes
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were when you want to say, more likely than not
to have caused the initial knee injury, that they when
he planted his foot and had the original knee injury,
it tore up a pair of shoes, and like, look,
I know we think of sneakers as like, hey, they
can make them in Taiwan for however little and then
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there's all these levels of up charge. The genius to Nike. Hey,
the genius to Nike is that, and Adidas has done
this as well with the Sambas and all of their
other old school shoes. You know, you don't have to
do R and D on shoes that have were around
kind of fifty years ago. Now, if you want to
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play in them, you do, right the college athlete, the
professional athlete, the high school athletes. Bigger, stronger, faster moves.
Puts more pressure on it and they they have to
do a lot more research on it. But like you know,
between Jordan's and Sambas and Adida's forums and whatever, all
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of their popularity, Like granted, they didn't do the amount
of R and D they do now, but they have
done it over years and years and years and years.
But sneakers that you play in, cleats that you play in,
there's an incredible expense laid out by these shoe companies
to make sure that they now only help you in
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the sport, but they don't put pressure on the parts
of your body that are already seeing the pressure, like
your knees, your ankles, your hips, your back, et cetera,
et cetera. Big bart of brand was a bunch of
cheap shoes that they bought and slapped on the BBB logo.
And then Lonzo Ball, his prize pupil, ends up hurting
his knee. And because he hurt his knee in his
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first year, he didn't have that first off season. Without
that first offseason, you can't really develop your game, didn't
change his shot as much. The second year wasn't particularly good,
and then he had another knee injury, missed another off season,
and by then kind of the die was cast. And
now he missed all of last year with that reoccurring
(04:31):
knee issue where he's got some degenerative tissue in that knee.
I've said it, I've tweeted about it. There was a
ton of backlash. I didn't know what I was talking about.
I was a hater and I was like, look, this
is the same thing with wearing sneakers. Is the same
thing as having an agent. We're having a lawyer. Can
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you look over a contract and do it? Of course,
of course you can do it. Yeah, read over your contra,
you do it. But if you have a lawyer or
it was an agent, do it. They've seen one hundred
of those contracts. They know the things that shouldn't be
in there. They know how to protect you. Don't be cheap.
Spend the extra ten to twenty percent whatever it costs you,
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four percent, whatever the fee. Spend the money and let
a professional do that. The same is true here, you know.
And what's really gross is that Lonzo's come out and
said he was told that there were no shoe companies interested,
so they just went with Big Baller brand, which sounds
like the dad just wanted to do Big Baller bread.
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Of course his brother does Puma. Now there's something else
that happened this week, which I don't need pats on
the back. But I've never ever, ever, ever, ever ever
felt like anything I've said or done or how I
feel inside my heart. No one who knows me would
(06:01):
ever think that I'm a racist. But our colleague at
Fox Sports, Nick Wright, essentially labeled me and some others
as such because I have been what I believe is
a truth teller about Eric b Enemy and why he
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never got a position as head coach in the National
Football League. If you're listening to the show, and you've
been listening to the show for years, we've been doing
it for over twenty years. I've always been somebody who
have said, like, when I hear something that I know
to be true or believe to be true and have
enough people, I've shared it with you, it's not from
any a place other than what I know or believe
or been told to be true. And the thing that's
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always bothered me is when others in our business can
impositions of some sort of power, and when they're researching
or when they're thinking of a take and they could
research it and find out the realities to it, they
instead go with their feelings or talk to their boys.
(07:06):
It becomes an echo chamber, and that's the take that
they have. Case in point, Eric B. Enemy. Okay, Jay Stu,
you've been with me throughout this entire thing, right, take
me back to the Eric Bnemy discussion.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Well, the the Enemy discussion that we've been having for
what two or three years now is that there were
a select few people with blue chock marks on Twitter
former Twitter that claim that Eric Benemy had not been
given a head coaching job because of the color of
his skin. Nick Wright just this week, amid Eric B.
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Enemy partying ways with the UCLA, he writes this on
his Twitter account. The worst people on the Internet are
singling out and attacking Mina chimes as the one person
who was calling out the league for be enemy not
get in a head coaching shot years ago, as if
many of us weren't saying the same things. So here's
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the clip from the same timeframe for what it's worth.
I stand by all of this today, and the only
addition I would make is that the one white offensive
offensive coordinator I listed who didn't get the head coaching job,
Brian Callahan, did get a job. Now, Douglat's just play
a little bit from Nick Wright two or three years ago.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
I understand there are some people in the audience that
are far, far more bothered by accusations of race playing
a factor in things than they are by actual racism,
and that's pretty bothersome. But let me just give you
facts here. You can't get the job because Andy Reid,
and everybody knows Andy Reid calls the plays. Well, that
didn't hurt Matt Nagy, that didn't hurt Doug Peterson, that
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didn't hurt Andy's last offensive coordinator in Philly. So what
do coordinators offensive coordinators of Super Bowl teams do. Well,
The Chiefs have been a tender for five years. So
let's use that sample twenty eighteen Super Bowl Patriots Rams. Well,
Zach Taylor went from that job to a head coaching job,
and Josh McDaniel now has a coaching job. What about
Kansas City, San Francisco, Well, that was Eric Bienemy and
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Mike McDaniel was the lead guy in San Francisco. Now
is his head coaching job now? To be fair, Mike
McDaniel's bye Rachel, but I'm not sure people knew that
until after he got the job, and he certainly I
don't think dealt with the assumed. If we're being honest here,
A lot of the problem is a lot of the
white decision makers don't think the black guy interviewing with
the job is quite smart enough to get the job.
I don't know if Mike had to deal with that.
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Next Super bowls Ken City, Tampa. Neither one of those
guys offensive coordinators have head coaching jobs. They are Eric
Bnemy and Byron Left which Eric just had to leave
his job, Byron just got fired from his. The next
one is Cincinnati in the Rams. Now, Callahan hasn't gotten
a job yet, but it looked like he was very
close this offseason Kevin O'Connell, of course does have a job.
And then the Super Bowl again we have Eric Bienemy
and Shane Stike and Eric Bnemy now has had to
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leave to go get a chance, and Shane stikeen of
course has a job.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Okay, first thing is there's a ton of there's a
curious omission there. What is the curious omission? And again
that was from a couple of years ago, right, What
was curiously omitted was Eric b Enemy was reportedly the
offensive coordinator with the Kansaity Chiefs, and the Kansady Chiefs
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allowed him to go to the exact same position with
the Washington commanders. Wait what Yeah? Yeah, failed to mention
that Andy Reid, who some people believe is now creeping
closer and there are some who believe he's passed Bill
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Belichick in terms of the greatest coaches ever, could have
easily kept Eric b Enemy. Right, I mean, listen, you
can buy the whole like he had to get get
out of the nest to spread his wings and call plays.
But if they really, really, really really valued him, he
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would be the head coach in waiting. First thing is,
here's one thing that is not reported. We act like
offensive coordinator in the National Football League is like you're
making fifteen cents an hour, Like you're making upwards up
three or four million dollars a year. It's an unbelievable position.
He didn't really get along with Mahomes. He wasn't beloved
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and whatever you think of Matt Naggy and what happened
with the Chicago Bears, by most people's estimation and most
people's estimation, he is more likely to be the next
head coach of the Kansasity Chiefs than Eric b Enemy
or than anybody else. Right, isn't a Spagnolo their defensive corner.
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He's a former head coach as well, right, So I mean, look,
the first thing is also should be mentioned, and getting
a head coaching job is really really hard, really hard,
really art. But the most bothersome part about it is, well,
there's two or three levels. One like Nick is talking about,
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like the most most not all white owners gms think
the black guy's not smart enough? Who named them? Name them?
I just again, there's this narrative out there which is
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so far from the truth about whether or not owners
want a black head coach to be around to interest
that doesn't matter I would concede that there are boosters
in colleges that want to have a guy they feel
like they can have beers with, they feel like they
can hang around, and maybe that has led some to
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being some black coaches to not getting a job. I
would say there's also an equal number of places where
they're like, look, we got to break through this glass
ceiling and we need to hire a minority head coach
just because we haven't before, and give new people opportunities.
I would say those numbers actually probably cross each other out,
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and there's probably more in the ladder than there is
the former but the NFL. And I know this because
I've done what you're supposed to do in this job,
and look, I'm not perfect at it. I've talked to
people and come up with opinions and shared them and
some of them have been wrong, but it comes from
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talking to people inside those businesses. One, I've done the
actual job of talking about Eric Banaby by talking with
gentle managers and presidents who have interviewed him and considered
him for their head coaching position and taking notes and
share it with you on the radio and share it
with people on social media. The second part is that
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we're acting like there's all these ancillary reasons that you
hire an NFL coach. The beauty to coaching in the NBA,
the beauty to coaching in college in the NFL, is
there's only one agenda. You don't have to recruit, you
don't have to worry about boosters, you don't have to
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do a radio show, you don't have to do a
TV show, you don't have to do anything under raise money.
All you have to do is win. So again, what
Nick Wright is saying is, yeah, I know this guy again.
If Eric Benemy is as good as he believes he is,
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So what you're saying is, Okay, Eric Banemy is really
really good and gives us a great opportunity to go
to a super Bowl, But we'd rather hire somebody else
who's as or less proven simply because he's white. What
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and I've said this for I don't know how long
this nonsense started, but let's just say for the better
part of five years, because it predated COVID COVID is
is this In the NFL? Only one thing matters is winning.
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And if you think for even one second an owner
is going to go like how many candidates you got great,
who gives us the best chance? Hold on, is he white? Okay,
then we'll hire him? Like what this that doesn't happen.
And all you have to do is actually pick up
the phone and call any of these gms who have
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a job open or who interviewed, and go take me
through the candidates. What'd you like about this guy? What
didn't you like? Right? It's like Brian Floores, his lawsuit
is just completely nonsensical, right that he got fired because
he's black, Like your bosses. The whole front office in
Miami was black. What are we doing? You know? It's
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like you got fired because you were impossible to work with.
And maybe you can say, hey, I was right about Tua.
But the general manager and director player personnel and everyone
else in the front office decided to draft Tua and
the owner signed off on it. And then Tua has
come out and said, you're a bad person. You're a
horrible person. And by the way, one of the general
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managers I talked to was the one who told me
before Flores. The year before Flores got the job in Miami,
he was like, you know who's gonna be really good
head coach? I think Flores is as long as he
keeps his ego under control. You know those Patriot guys,
they got massive egos because they all think they're Bill Balchick.
And that's what happened there. So I love being right,
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I hate being wrong. I love winning. I hate losing
even more. And this is two dubs for me, and
I would be more than a little bit embarrassed if
I'm Nick right on doubling down and dying on a
hill that everyone else is vacated. It's like Nick is
still in protest mode, in COVID mode, and we've all
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kind of moved on. And the reality is that Eric
b Enemy was the offensive coordinator for the one hundred
and seventeenth best offense in college football. The head coach
Sean Foster's black, the athletic director Martin Jarmond is black,
and they both said his services are no longer needed.
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And we can spin it how everyone he wants to
get back to the NFL okay as what he took. Yeah,
he was getting money from the commanders. That money's running out.
If UCLA wanted to hire him, they would have hired him. Instead,
they moved on to another coach. Good luck Diane on
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that Hill.
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Let's get ready for championship weekend. In college football, Danny
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Knell joins us. He's a football analyst talk show host.
He's joining us on behalf of bet online. Check got
bet online for updated collegehwall playoff and conference championship at
game lines. What do you think of the current bracket?
Speaker 6 (19:01):
You mean the way the seating has worked where it's
almost impossible to pick. Who are you talking about? Like,
who's the twelve seed?
Speaker 5 (19:08):
Is it?
Speaker 6 (19:09):
Should it be one of the three SEC teams? Should
it be ten and two Miami? Like You've got to
give me a little more direction on the.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Don't you know it's just opening in a neutral Dude,
We both learned in the same place. It's when you
see the bracket, ye are what do you think? Like?
What is what is the top line thing thought that
Danny Caneo has.
Speaker 6 (19:29):
So the top line thing for me is that extra spot.
And really there's only going to be one spot that's
going to be debatable, and that's even remains in doubt
because if Clemson beats SMU, I still think SMU should
get in, righty. Why because they're in the top twelve
already and they're pretty firmly inside the twelve. They're not
even on the bubble.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Hold on, but why who have they beaten? That impresses you?
Speaker 6 (19:53):
I would ask the same thing about Notre Dame. I
would ask the same thing about Tennessee. There's a lot
on hold on.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Hold on, hold on. Okay, So let's let's go. Let's
go through. Okay. I'm just I'm gonna ask you, and
please don't think you know me. I actually respect you. Now.
You know twice as much about college football I do,
maybe three, four or five times more, Okay, I just
know as a fan and knowing how sports kind of work.
Do you think s MU is better than Notre Dame?
Speaker 5 (20:21):
Well?
Speaker 6 (20:21):
Did we did? I think Michigan was better than Ohio
State this year. I got it.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
I understand it. But but like, look, Notre Dame in
SMU have the same record, Okay, So it's not like
I'm comparing incomparable incomparable. So I'm just gonna ask you, Okay,
they beat.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
A and M on the road, yep.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
And you know, you could go s C on the road.
You could go Army that you know who was at
the time, you know whatever, Louisville. Same same wins, right,
they have the same they have. They actually have better
ACC wins if we're honest, better ACC wins, and they
have the A and M went on the road. And
(21:00):
I think, and I think truthfully, you know, Notre Dame
is two touchdowns better than SMU, and it's not really
that close. And a good portion of it is one
they've been there a while, they got better players, they
got more nil. I know SMU has got a lot
of money to throw around, but I mean the reality
is they're better, correct And.
Speaker 6 (21:18):
That's why I'm okay with Notre Dame being a five
or six seed and SMU probably being behind them. Even
if they win the ACC, they'll probably still be ranked
behind Notre Dame. If you want to do you want
to do the same exercise with Indiana?
Speaker 2 (21:31):
No, but hold let's yeah, yes I do. I want
to do Indiana second, because I don't think they belong
in either. I don't think SMU. I don't think Indiana
belongs in. I just I don't. But if SMU loses
and Clemson is the ACC champion, do you have sme
does SMU belong in the field.
Speaker 6 (21:50):
I think it depends on the score. I think if
they get beat handily, and I would say by two
touchdowns or more, and really you'll know, like if you
watch the game and you see them get pushed around
and it's pretty controlled by Clemson, I think they're out.
But if they lose on the last second field goal,
you know, if it's a close game, or Clemson drives
and you know, scores a touchdown late to win the game,
I think SMU should be in. And like, that's where
(22:13):
this whole system kind of bothers me because and again,
I use Indiana, I'll use Tennessee, I'll use Notre Dame.
Those teams are sitting at home this weekend with their
you know, feet kicked up on the couch watching SMU
have to subject themselves to another data point, as the
committee likes to call it, while they don't have to
do anything like they're already done their resumes in the books,
(22:36):
where this is really a postseason game, like it's I mean,
it is a postseason game. It's a conference championship game,
so that shouldn't hinder SMU. But even saying that, like
I'm being a little bit hypocritical because I realize if
they get blown out, they'll probably left out and it'll
be pretty clear cut. But if they go toe to
toe with a team that's, you know, a top fifteen
team in Clemson, I think they would prove their value
(22:57):
and should be in. Well the committee do that, I
think so. But I think there's a reason Rehet lastly
has been out there pounding the table saying this would
discourage coaches from wanting to make the conference championship. Jim Phillips,
the Commission of the ACC, has been you know, pounding
the table as well, saying this would you know, why
would we even play conference championship?
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Get you need to play this justin Okay, they need you,
like listen, Jim, stop it all you guys, stop it. Okay,
The ACC sucks because Florida State sucks this year, right,
Virginia Tech hasn't gotten back to the level of Virginia Tech.
And honestly, like we can have the Miami discussion and
they can talk about it's not just that they lost
two of their last three, it's that they should have
(23:35):
lost at least two of those three that they escaped
in and you know, like there ah, whoa, wait.
Speaker 6 (23:40):
I'll push back because what's better than almost winning or
losing to Vanderbilt and getting smoked by Oklahoma, which is
what Alabama's done twice?
Speaker 2 (23:48):
But again yet they have and then but then Alabama
has really good wins Alabama.
Speaker 6 (23:53):
Georgia one good win against Georgia, Okay, which is the
win that Georgia Tech almost beat them in eight overtimes,
a team from the ACC. Like that's where I think
the brand of saying, oh they beat Georgia, it's one
of the best wins in the season. Georgia is not
the same dominant team they've been in years past. Like
that's my favorite thing about all these teams. Wait, Like
you could tell me to make the case for one
or the other, and I could make the case because
(24:14):
they're every team has a flaw except for Oregon.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Yeah, okay, I would tell you I think that Alabama.
I know Wisconsin didn't end up great. I think going
they you know, at the time, Wisconsin had their starting quarterback.
They went in and smoked them. They went in and
smoked them. The Vanderbilt lost. Like, let's just be honest.
That's part of what makes the SEC way harder than
anybody else because you.
Speaker 6 (24:39):
Gotta go come on, So now you're you're drinking the
kool aid.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
I don't in the kool aid. I'm not drinking. I
live in the real world, and in the real world,
those are hold on. I'm not done in the real
world that those are twenty million dollars. Maybe Vanderbilt's a
ten million dollar team or a five million dollar team,
but you're going against twenty fifteen twenty million dollar teams
every week. Okay, the ACC, because the ACC doesn't have
any money. You know that.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
I know that.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Let's stop bs and everybody stop telling people things that
aren't true. You see it in basketball this past week,
the ACC versus the SEC. The AEC has great historic
basketball programs. They can't compete. Why they don't have the money.
It's really that simple. This is the Yankees and the
Dodgers versus the small market teams. Anybody telling you otherwise,
especially you, Danny, who know this really well, you're lying
(25:25):
if you say otherwise, okay, and it doesn't mean you
win every game.
Speaker 6 (25:30):
Yeah, I do not think Vanderbilt has a ten million
dollars roster. I would say Vanderbilt's roster is similar to Duke,
who has actually been a better story and a better
team than Vanderbilt has, going nine to three, and they
actually had smu on the ropes, had six turnovers and
came up short in that. But when you talk about Duke,
everyone's like, oh, that shows you how bad the ACC is.
But when you talk about Vanderbilt, it's like, oh, Vanderbilt
(25:51):
must be a great team, what a great surprise story.
That's what bothers me. I think there is parody in
college football. I think the fact that we're able to
pay players, I think a lot of that much money
has been spread around so that everyone has.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Yes, yes, yes, everybody, yes, everybody in the SEC has money.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
Everybody does not every college football has no, they don't.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
They just don't know, they don't know. They Danny Danny,
Danny either you're not being.
Speaker 6 (26:15):
On then that's why they were nine and three.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
They have they have listened. They have money in comparison
to the No. What they have is they went out
and got no house state. They spent all their money
on a quarterback. They went and got a really good quarterback.
Speaker 6 (26:28):
They have money on other players.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
But the look, the difference is. Look, I mean again,
a lot of it is resource allocation. Hey, the reason
the Big twelve isn't as good as the SEC is
they don't have as much money as the SEC. So
all those games s GAM schools in Texas, whatever, and
they just don't have as much money.
Speaker 6 (26:46):
They just don't be arguing about something for no point,
Because I think the SEC is the best conference in
college football, But how do you quantify that? To me,
that doesn't mean they should get five or six teams in.
They should be three or four, because that's already twice
as much as most as ACC and Big twelve and
maybe three times if they're only getting in one, three
or four times as many, which I am okay with.
But that's where I push back on the debate of well,
(27:08):
we're just gonna limit the Big twelve in the ACC
to one team each.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Oh No, I listen, I again, my thing is I
mean Indiana, I mean Indiana. I don't get it. Somebody's
got explain. And that part of it is what you
discussed about SMU this week. Like I watch Indiana against
Ohio State. I know special teams blew it up in
the game, but Indiana's offense couldn't move the ball against
Ohio State at all. They couldn't complete a forward pass
(27:32):
like it was bad.
Speaker 6 (27:33):
Indiana's defense held Ohio State's offense to their lowest output
of the season. Sure, Like, that's why I think that's my.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Favorite, really good football team. It is not an elite
football team.
Speaker 6 (27:43):
Let's see when you have twelve See that's why I
don't think there is an elite football team. Maybe it's Oregon.
They'll get tests against Penn State. But that's the best
part about the new parody that's here. I think it's
deeper than it's ever been. And I think there's a
lot of good teams. I think there's a lot of
flawed teams, and out of the twelve or third team
teams like at the top, I think any one of
them could win it all.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
I don't. I don't think Boise can win it all.
I don't think SMU can win it all. I don't
think Indiana can win it all. I don't think those
teams are those teams are a notch below. I don't
think it's really that close. I think the rest of
the teams I think I think South Carolina should be in.
Speaker 6 (28:16):
I just do do I'm with you on that one,
and that's that's one of the things I'm bummed about.
I had them as my twelfth spot, like I would
have put them in because I love the value in
playing good right now and getting better and improving throughout
the season. And the one of their losses against LSU,
they actually there was a couple bad calls that screwed them.
Two you know, touchdowns were taken off the board and
their quarterback got hurt. Like that was something the committee
(28:37):
showed they should have valued. I think I didn't think
Ole Miss might have a better rather resume than Alabama.
I'm just bothered because I think Alabama is getting the
nod because they're Alabama, and a lot of these power
rankings they go back for five years, like they taking
the consideration past success, which with all the turnover on
roster makes no sense whatsoever. Plus the team that has
(28:58):
with best win like they beat Georgia twenty eight to ten,
Bama beat them, barely beat them, almost blew the lead.
Like I think Old Miss is a team that's getting overlooked.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
I think all of those teams should be in. That's
that's me and I'm not an SEC one.
Speaker 6 (29:09):
Put them all on. Let's go six teams and then no,
I just I just.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Think those Okay, can we agree that giving a buye
to Boise, Yeah, it makes makes a far right.
Speaker 6 (29:21):
Here's what I'll be interested to see, Doug. If Arizona
State wins the big If I was State, I'm sure
they'll pound the table and say we're a better conference,
because they are. But if if Arizona State wins, they
need to point out to their uh to the committee,
and I would expect Kenny Dillingham to make this case.
One of their losses came on the road at Cincinnati
(29:41):
by one possession and their starting quarterback didn't play. They
were playing Jeff Sims sam Levitt missed the entire game.
I would pound the table and say we are essentially
a one lost team if they do, and they're supposed
to consider when you have, you know, key players out
they could sell themselves and along with what I think
is more important that a Big twelve championship should be
more valuable in the data point situation, more so than
(30:05):
the Mount West where the fourth best team is six
and six, Like, not only is it lesser competition, but
the league is actually having a really bad year. So yes,
I'm with you. I do not think Boise State should
be getting a first round by This is a.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Doug Gottlief show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, do
they win tonight?
Speaker 6 (30:22):
I don't. I think I like UNLV tonight. Barry Odom, who,
by the way, is going to be one of those
coaches that probably maybe gets announced tomorrow. That has me
a little bit worried because he is a hot name
and he was already in the SEC. He's a really
good football coach and he's done a phenomenal job. They
had the lead in the regular season against Boise State
going into the fourth quarter. I think their quarterback is
(30:43):
more dynamic Cosmo League Williams as a runner. If the
cold weather tonight and Boise you know, does slow down
Boise State's pass game, I think that could be the
edge and I think it could come to an end,
and that would solve a lot of problems for the
committee because they kind of have to they position themselves.
They kind of pigeonholed themselves by having Boise state this
early with the buye. But this will solve it for
(31:03):
him because then it would just be UNLV would probably
be the twelve seed, and then you can give the
Power four Conferences the champions the first four season the byes.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Danny Canel. You can check out his work on social
media and of course he's got a show on Serious
XM and of course our thanks to bet online for
having him on. For updated college football playoff and conference
championship game lines, go to bet online DK. You're the best, man,
love sporrowing with you. Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 6 (31:31):
Appreciate it man. Always good catching up. We'll see you.
Speaker 5 (31:33):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
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Speaker 2 (31:45):
It's Dou Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio Live here on
a Friday. Huh roll way good Thursday night football game,
wasn't it less? I think that's the thing Jayseu that
and like, I know, you can get grumpy about a
(32:05):
lot of things, but I think like most people's general
grumpiness about Thursday night football is over is like a
lot like your grumpiness over NFL football in general, which
is usually not that well to played a game. Right.
You call that the Zuopa effect.
Speaker 7 (32:23):
Yes, yeah, yeah, we are in the Zuopa right now.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Except I thought last night was pretty good.
Speaker 7 (32:28):
It was, It really was.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Yeah again, And that doesn't mean that that's a trend, right,
It could be a one off. It's two of the
better teams, but last night was a good, clean and
how part of it was both those teams played last Thursday,
so they had a true week of preparation, both the
pretty good offenses. And it was entertaining, and of course,
you know you got forty three yard field goal, which
(32:50):
I think I told you guys, that's an eighty percent
eighty seven percent across the board. Make inside forty is
ninety mid nineties plus. It was one play, get the yards,
win the game, and that's what they did. Let's get
to the press, the press, what you got there? I Low.
Speaker 8 (33:16):
Doug former New England Patriots head coach and man whose
carpet matches the hoodie Bill. Belichick has had a preliminary
interview with North Carolina for its head coaching job. The
Charlotte News and Observer reports that though Belichick blew them
away in the interview, he is still considered a long
shot for the job due to his age and lack
(33:38):
of college coaching experience.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Did you see the most recent tweet about the job
about what his ask.
Speaker 8 (33:45):
Is a vacation home in Hilton had oys?
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Nope, nope, Jase dou Why did I say he'd want
this job?
Speaker 7 (33:55):
I did not. I did not see that.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
No, why did I say yesterday he'd want this job?
Speaker 7 (34:00):
I don't recall. What was your reason?
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Because he wants to give it to his son.
Speaker 8 (34:04):
Oh, Steve Belichick the coach and Wade.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Yeah, and so that was just that just came out
on social media that who's this Ali Conley? Okay, who's
uh recruiting college football? And NFL analyst whatever, says per sources.
Until Belichick's negotiation with North Carolina in could a guarantee
that Stephen Belichick would be named the school's head coach
(34:27):
in waiting, UNC is open to that guarantee. Discussions are
not a bid to gain leverage in the NFL.
Speaker 8 (34:33):
I'm sorry, who is the source for this? As you say,
Ali Alie Oxen.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Free, Ali Conley, Ali, there's a joke.
Speaker 8 (34:41):
Anyway. Staying in college football, multiple outlets report Oklahoma State
and a contract dispute with head coach Mike Gundhy, and
that Oklahoma State has discussed firing Gundy for cause if
he does not agree to a new restructured contract for
less money. KOTV Television of Tulsa reports that Gundhy has
(35:02):
a deadline of five pm today to make a decision.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
That sounds like a bluff and not a good one
by Oklahoma State, but we'll see me. He has a
basically like a lifetime rollover contract and they have to
pay twenty five million to get to get him out
of it. So I don't know what the what the
four cause is other than you know, he hat made
some comments which didn't sit well with people previously, but
(35:29):
you don't get fired for some comments.
Speaker 8 (35:32):
From the state of Oklahoma to the State of Kentucky.
A better in Kentucky apparently has nothing better to do,
is betting three point one million dollars on the Philadelphia
Eagles to beat the Carolina Panthers this Sunday. It's one
of the largest bets ever reported on an NFL regular
(35:55):
season game because of the odds favoring the Eagles. If
this in individual wins, they will net approximately four hundred
and forty two thousand, eight hundred dollars.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
What's the bet three.
Speaker 8 (36:09):
Point one million for the Eagles to beat the Carolina Panthers.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Okay, so it's like the in his mind, in their
mind's the surest bet ever. Just cash it in, must
be you know the thing about when they say something
too good to be true? I know usually is this
is like those guys that have posted on Twitter like
I will eat a pair of women's underpants if so
and so's school loses, and then so and so school loses,
(36:37):
and then we don't see him again. This guy just
loses three million dollars, which I'm going to, of course
root for.
Speaker 8 (36:42):
I think we've said a season high for unexpected analogies today.
With that in mind, the director of that particular sportsbook said,
and I quote, we will be big Bryce Young fans
on Sunday. Glad to apparently someone is going to be
a big Bryce Young fan on Sunday and finally, the
(37:02):
Kansas City Chiefs have listed receiver and returner Mcole Hardman
as questionable for some Day's game against the Chargers due
to a knee injury. Now, Hardman not a big part
of their offense as a receiver, but he is their
top returnerm.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Yes, knee locked up at practice, right, correct?
Speaker 6 (37:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (37:25):
I mean the Chiefs are held together by duct tape.
That's what looks like to me.
Speaker 7 (37:31):
And that's the press. They get out there and pressed.
Speaker 5 (37:34):
That was the press.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
All right. It should be an entertaining night and we'll
see if Boise State can win at home against UNLV. Obviously,
that would shake up the college football landscape. Have a
great weekend. This is Doug Gotleib Show, Fox Sports Tradio.
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