September 29, 2023 • 38 mins
Doug and the crew discuss Jared Goff and the term "A Poor Man's". Doug gives out five college picks and five NFL picks for the weekend in his "5 for 5". FOX Sports College Football analyst Chris Fallica joins Doug to go over the weekend of college football wagering. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through "The Press".
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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by searching apps Hawk. I'm not somebody who seeks out
and searches out for credit, okay, but there is a
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desire there for credit for a lot of people. And
Dan Campbell, I don't think he searched for credit, but
I've seen a lot of this, these stats with you know,
the Lions finished eight and two last year. You know
they're three and one this year. That's eleven and three
in their last fourteen games. They dominate the Packers for
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the most part yesterday, and Jared Goff doesn't get a
ton of credit. I remember Jared Goff help turn around
the Rams. His rookie year was a bit of a disaster,
but then after that it took off and end up
in the Super Bowl where they lost to the Patriots.
Granted didn't score a touchdown and the loss of fourteen
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to three loss to the Patriots and fell out of
favor shortly thereafter with Sean McVay. They end up trading
him for Matt Stafford, which felt like and was by
many people's estimation and upgrade. Rams bounce back, go to
the super Bowl and there's Jared Goff left in Detroit.
It doesn't get a contract extension, and you're just trying
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to figure out what's the deal with Jared Goff. So
Jared Goff yesterday, after winning the Thursday night football game
against the Packers, summed up the game this way. Yeah, obviously,
Joe was an unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
It's complimentary football. That's what the good teams do. You know,
I make a bad play, they hold them to three,
you know, they get a turnover, we score points. That
type of stuff, and that's what the good team's doing.
Our defense played great, and you know, you'd like to
stop being having to talk about responding to stuff and
being able to like, you know, get over the hump.
But yeah, defense kept us senate man, and it made
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it really easy for us on offense to continue to
run the ball the way we were and know that
they were gonna get stops. We really dominated the whole game,
and it's you know what we expect to do. You know,
we have a good team and we have a we
have a good offense and good defense, a good special teams.
We got good skill player if you have a good
line on both sides, like we should do that at
times when things are clicking like they were in the
second quarter like you mentioned. But yeah, it's something we're
comfortable with and we know who we are and but
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gotta keep doing it. It's it's hard. It's every every
week's gonna be hard.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Next week will be hard. So I got to keep
going on this Stut Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Trader.
That's the voice of Jared Goff. Okay, so Jared Golf. Also,
he went on Amazon TV after the game and he
kind of got onto Ryan Fitzpatrick and said, you know,
oh you said, I'm a poor man's Matt Ryan. I mean,
here's the thing, Matt Ryan was a good quarterback. Now
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I'm going to disagree with I'm going to disagree with
the narrative that that Matt Ryan is a Hall of Famer.
I don't necessarily see that one coming to be. I
just but Matt Ryan's a really good player. He was
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a League MVP. They did go to a Super Bowl.
Here's a question, maybe for buyer, I think Matt Ryan
had a better career than Cam Newton. Hmm, Matt Ryan
or Cam Newton.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
I think it's a bit apples to oranges. But to
play along with the game, I would say Matt Ryan.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
It's apples orange is because they played the position so differently. Yes,
it is the same position in the same era.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Yes, but I don't think like I I've always felt
with Cam Newton it was foolish for us to think
that he was going to have a fifteen year NFL career.
I just like Matt Ryan had how many sixteen years?
Whatever it was for Matt Ryan. So that's why I
think it's the little apples to oranges. But if I
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had to pick one, I would pick Matt Ryan.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Okay, what is and where I think you're going with
the apples to oranges is? And I agree with is
that like you can't do the stat thing for the
most part, because you know what Matt Ryan made up
for in accuracy and ability to throw. Cam Newton made
up with running the football. But they're both Rookie of
the Year, they were both a League MVP, they both
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went to one Super Bowl. The difference is in length
of career, although it should be pointed out that those
those latter years in Atlanta, right, if you up cut
him off at the ten years in one place, he
ends up with a far better record than the what
is he was one oh two, one twenty and one
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oh two in fourteen years. You know, it's like ten games,
even more like thirty games above five hundred if you
cut out those. That's because he had a seven and eight,
four and twelve, seven and twelve and then obviously four
to seven to one in Indy. But they had you know, one, two, three, four, five, six,
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six double digit win seasons Cam Newton and again, like
I agree with you, you can't judge stats. He had three
in the same amount of time, three in Carolina, and
they're in the same division. That's the other part. In
the same division at the same time. Both won Rookie
of the Year, both won MVP. It's a really I
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that just kind of just came into my came to
my head when we were I knew we were gonna
talk about Matt Ryan and I don't think either are
Hall of famers. I actually think Cam has a better
shot to get into the Hall of Fame. I think
Matt Ryan was a better quarterback by most people's estimation,
and I rather would have had Matt Ryan as my
quarterback in his career as physically dominant as Cam Newton
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was in his prime. Uh, because you I think you
win more from the pocket from the pocket.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Hm.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Anyway, Like, look, I think the comparison, it's comparing somebody
somebody who's a probably one notch below Hall of Fame player.
One notch below Hall of Fame player is not a
bad thing, right, is there anything bad about that? I mean,
that's where I don't know if you ever get this
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buyer like in your in your in your mentions, like oh,
you just want to be Cowherd like that, there's the
worst people in the world to be compared to than
Colin Cowherd. You just want to be Rome. I don't know, Jim.
Rome's done pretty well for himself. You know. If you
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want to name some guy, some local guy who was
on the air for like a year and then got bounced,
I understand. You know, Jay stew we talked about this earlier,
that the poor man's is is supposed to be a shot.
But again, if you want to call me a poor
man's Matt Ryan, You're like, I cool. By the way,
Jared Goff, he hasn't been a League MVP, he wasn't
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Rookie of the Year, but he has been to a
super Bowl, and my guess would would be that all
of his numbers will be slightly less, including wins and losses,
than Matt Ryan. He is, in fact, the poor man's
Matt Ryan. And Matt Ryan was you know, he was
the picture of efficiency. He was smart, good guy, nothing
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to worry about, you know, never the highest paid guy
in the league. A little bit better than maybe the
public things he is, but not necessarily not close to
being the top. Like, yeah, I think that's about right.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
But isn't it the knockoff version, like the you know,
the it's not coke or Pepsi.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
It's.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
Cola Mars.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Yeah, this is how brand, Well, it's a store brand
that's different.
Speaker 6 (08:07):
This is how Merriam Webster defines what a poorman's is,
someone such as a performer who is like another person
in some ways but not as talented or successful.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yeah, that's what he is.
Speaker 6 (08:22):
Oh, but it's not a compliment, but it's meant to
be an insult.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
I understand it's meant to be an insult, but it's
not really an insult when you do Matt Ryan, and
and I would also, you know, does Fitzpatrick know it's
meant to be an insult? I know you went to Harvard,
but we assume that everybody went to Harvard. Every word
that comes out of their mouth is that of genius
and brilliance and sometimes like yeah, because I also think
that things don't necessarily mean what Merriam Webster meant them
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to mean in common speak, Like if you said he's
just he's a he's like Matt Ryan, only not as good.
He's notice likely not as good as Matt Ryan, you
go like, yeah, I kind of see that. Do you
see that? Am I wrong? Guys?
Speaker 6 (09:03):
Well, it seems like you have two facts here that
Fitzpatrick meant it as an insult and Goff took it
as an insult.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
I don't think he meant it as an insult. I
think he mentored kind of matter of fact, I think
we think he meant it as insult because he went
to Harvard, so we think that everything he says matches
with Miriam Miriam Webster's dictionary.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
I for what you laid out. If Fitzpatrick would have
said he's a poor man's Joe Montana, then I think
you're going like, okay, all right, but the conversation that
we just have here about you know, Matt Ryan, and
that's not meant to disrespect Matt Ryan, but it completely
is disrespecting Matt Ryan. I think that's where Gof's like, okay,
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Like it's one thing to take like an all time
great and be like, Okay, your game is kind of
like this person's, but maybe not up to that level.
But when you're going to the level down where you
said Matt Ryan isn't a Hall of Famer, I think
that's probably why Jared Goff takes offense to it.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
No, I understand again, and Jared Goff not a dummy either,
and we automatically like, look, I've told people this all
the time. We overreact people. I'll react when you say
the word mediocre. Mediocre to most people means bad. Mediocre
in the dictionary definition means average. Average is not bad
averages average, it's a mediocre performance. It was an average performance.
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But do you say, how is your performance mediocre?
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Like?
Speaker 1 (10:31):
WHOA, what do we do wrong? Like it was mediocre.
It wasn't terrible, it wasn't great. It's mediocre. But again
that's the dictionary definition, and things don't necessarily go by
the dictionary definition. I think what he meant was he's
a slightly lesser version of Matt Ryan. And now he
could have backed it up as you said, Dan, and
this would have been probably better. Like people been killing
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Matt Ryan. You know, people don't think that, but Matt
Ryan's borderline Hall of Famer, and he's not a borderline
Hall of Famer. He's a notch below. But you can
make a lot of money and be a good, solid
quarterback for a long time. We like, let's not talk
ourselves into Jared Goff being awesome.
Speaker 6 (11:09):
Right right, nobody's saying it's awesome.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Just kind of go through the Was he better than
Jordan Love last night? Sure, but he had a lot
more protection. But okay, in that division, would you take
him at Kirk Cousins, you take Kirk Cousins, And Kirk
Cousins has never been seen as a top five, top
ten quarterback, even though he's probably gonna throw for six
thousand yards if he sticks with the Vikings this year.
So he's he's in the you know what we what
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we say last hour, he's in the fifteen to twenty range.
That's mediocre, that's average, that's right in the middle. If
Pat Mahomes is an A, he's a C. It's fine.
You can win a lot with a C. Just don't
turn it over, which he doesn't do. Again, maybe this
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is my screwed up way of looking at the world.
But because I and maybe this is I've had people,
you know, call me whether broadcasting career or a basketbook
or a poor man's version of And maybe he was
intended as an insult. Maybe it wasn't. But again, if
you compare me to somebody who like, yeah, I actually
think that's about right, and I'm a slightly lesser version
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of like, okay, that's fine. You know, he didn't compare
him to him. Trying to think of a you know,
Chad Pennington, who I actually loved, But Chad Pennington just
didn't have a straight start, strong arm and was really
more felt like more of a backup than starter or
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what was that? What was the Dartmouth quarterback who started
for the Miami Dolphins, Jay Fiedler, Jay Fiedler good All,
Jay Feedler, good pull. I What if Ryan Fitzpash is like, yeah,
you're just a poor man's version Ja Jay Fiedler like
you know Ivy League quarterback backup sometimes start like yeah,
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I can see that.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
What about if he said he was a rich man's
Jay Fiedler completely turning the tables like, huh, thank you
very much.
Speaker 7 (13:11):
Take that.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Uh. Ramos's laugh is a poor man's What was the
guy who was the guy used to sit on the
couch for Johnny Carson, Ed McMahon, Ed McMahon poor man's
McMahon with that leaf. Yes, yes, indeed.
Speaker 6 (13:30):
Ed McMahon's a legend though legend, right.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
So it's got to be somebody lesser of a legend.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
What about if it was Setan then that Dan Patrick
his laugh a lot that would be not his.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
That's a perfect example.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Yes, I know, but Matt Ryan's not seating, He's not
Ed McMahon.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (13:54):
Mans held pretty high regard in our industry.
Speaker 7 (14:00):
Of the year.
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Let's go five, Hine are five for five. Let's start
in college football. Clemson's taken on Syracuse and a lot
of people are down on Clemson because the Tigers, well,
they lost to Florida State and they lost to Duke.
But if you remember the Duke game, of course, you
know two block kicks, two fumbles inside the ten. Even
the Florida State game that frankly they had won last
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week if not for an untimely turnof for taking on
a Syracuse team that Okay, look, they're four to zero
on the season, but let me give you the wins Colgate,
Western Michigan, the Burdue win on the road's a good one.
And Army. Now, this is going to be a zoo
at the Dome. And Clemson of course comes in as
believe it or not, a six and a half point favorite.
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Despite being two and two, Clemson is a superior roster.
Clemson does have good quarterback play. Clemson, though downtrodden, end
out of the national championship race already only in game
five of the season. In Week five of the season,
Clemson's gonna win, Clemson's gonna cover in the Battle of
Orange in Syracuse, New York. Colorado's taken on USC, and
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I understand it's very easy to be down on USC's
defense because at times they've given up big plays, even
to the likes of San Jose State, not as much
to Nevada, who's not particularly good, or last weekend to
Arizona State. But one of the curious things that happens
when you create a buzz, and there's an absolute buzz
about Colorado football that's undeniable, is you start to get
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everybody's best shot. Right. Everyone gets their neck cleaned for
this game, but I mean neck cleaning. You know, you
go get to clippers, get your neck doll cleaned up,
use that straight blade razor to make sure you look good.
And when USC won wants to be great, they are Colorado.
They're just beaten up. And look, they probably should have
lost to Colorado State. It wasn't like they were dominant
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over Nebraska. Nebraska's quarterback shot himself in the foot, And
yes they beat TCU, but they had to have two
timely turnovers in the red zone by TCU in order
to pull off that win. Again, not trying to diminish
what they've been able to do, considering three and a
half was the win total. But I'm just being realistic here.
They get USC's best shot and that's not a good thing.
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USC's gonna win. US is gonna cover now. As for
the seventy three man, that's a big total. That's a big,
big total, especially considering the altitude that does become a
factor and the fact that USC, if they get at
early lead a little bit like Oregon, even though organ
said they weren't taking the foot off their gas, they will.
I like USC and the under. The total right now
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is seventy three and the line is twenty one and
a half. It drops below twenty one, then just go
crazy on USC. But I really like USC and the under.
Kansas take's on Texas and KU continues to have just
a remarkable, remarkable year under Lance Leopold, who last year
rose them to prominence, and they brought back a good
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portion of the team this year and are healthier at quarterback. Therefore, oh,
they're taking on Texas on the road. The total is
sixty one and a half and the lion is sixteen
and a half in favor of Texas. And remember this
is Kansas team that beat a good BYU team. They
also beat Illinois earlier this year, so it's not like
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they've played all, you know, rummy competition to this point.
On the other hand, Texas is just playing on a
different level. They going to Baylor, who's not great this year,
beat them thirty eight to six. Wasn't competitive. They had
Alabama's defensive backfield completely and totally lost. Yes, you could
you could wonder about how excited they are about taking
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on taking on on Kansas when Oklahoma is next weekend.
That's the dreaded look ahead game. But I just think
this team feels like they're wired a little bit different.
I like Texas to cover that gigantic spread against four
to oho Kansas. Okay, here's a curious one, right Iowa.
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Brian Farrens is their offensive coordinator, and you know he's
got a what average twenty five a game and they
got to win seven games and last weekend they had
four first downs. But they're traveling home to take on
Michigan State. And Michigan State since Meltucker was first suspended
and then fired, they were beaten forty one to seven
and thirty one to nine. Those were both home games.
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Now they're on the road, Meltucker's officially out. And remember
remember that the way in which the rules work with
the transfer portal is these players now have, I believe,
a month to decide whether or not they want to
put themselves in the portal. And you might ask yourself, okay,
but why do it now or why not play now
when you're already committed to the season. The rules are
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such if you play four games or less, that can
become your red shirt year. It doesn't even count. I
don't know how many of the best players from Michigan
State play this weekend or what their motivation is. As
for Iowa, I mean, the motivation for the coaching staff
is obvious, and the motivation for the team couldn't be
more obvious as well as they could still get another
shot because they don't play Ohio State this year, they
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don't play Michigan this year, they played Perdue, they play Wisconsin, Minnesota, Northwestern, Rutgers, Illinois, Nebraska,
all games they could win. Motivated to do so, eleven
and a half point line, give me the Hawkeyes to
cover the eleven and a half point spread and to
help get Brian Farrens closer to that average. That he
needs an old SEC matchup now in excuse me, an
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old Southwest Conference matchup now in the SEC, Texas A
and M is staying on Arkansas and the Hogs are
coming off two really difficult losses, close losses, one to
BYU at home and last weekend at LSU and it
taken on Texas A and M. And Texas A and
M lost their starting quarterback. But Max Johnson returns. Remember
Max Johnson, his dad, Brad Johnson, was quarterback for Tampa,
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and of course Max started his career at LSU and
ends up at Texas A and M. And last year
he was pretty good when he came in as a backup.
Now he gets another chance to be the starter. It's
his team. This is a really talent Texas A and
M team, and I'm not sure Max Johnson is a
bad option at all. Yes, they lost to Florida. There
were some calls that didn't go their way and didn't
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play as well as probably they should have. But you
go back and look at the film and there was
a couple of fifty to fifty plays they just did
not get the calls and didn't make some plays did.
Last weekend against Auburn I mean Auburn needed a crazy
play even to score ten points. The defense is dominant
and the offense will be better. Fifty three and a half.
I like the under, and I like A and M
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to cover the under and A and M to cover.
Let's get to the NFL picks. Let's start with the
game being played overseas as at Wembley Stadium. Jacksonville is
going to take on Atlanta early in the morning. Jacksonville
coming off a couple of losses, obviously to the Chiefs
and then a disappointing one to Houston last week. Now
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they take on Atlanta, who's a surprising two to one
behind a young star running back, and they have some
good talent. I like Jacksonville in this Jacksonvill obviously used
to playing games overseas. Jacksonville is better than how they've played.
And what do you always hear about the NFL? Right
if you don't like how your team played, wait a week,
maybe it's two weeks. But Jacksonville wins. They cover the
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three point line. Rumblings out of Cleveland about the possibility
that Deshaun Watson doesn't play because of injury. The line
right now, the line right now is the Ravens are
a one point dog in Cleveland. So you may ask
yourself self, who is the backup quarterback to Deshaun Watson
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in Cleveland if he doesn't play. The answer is DTR
Dorian Thompson Robinson, who's a four year starter at UCLA
and a good athlete and a good college quarterback. And
you could say that there's some attributes to how Deshaun
Watson used to play running the football. And yes, the
Baltimore Ravens are completely banged up and they lost at
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home after having a big lead to the Indianapolis Colts.
That said, you take Deshaun Watson off of this team
and they don't have Nick Chubb, and I don't like
Cleveland at home. Give me Baltimore knowing that there's a
strong possibility that Cleveland's not starting not starting Deshaun Watson
at quarterback. San Francisco forty nine ers welcome in the
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Arizona Cardinals. Cardinals have played well in all three games
and they were awesome last weekend to be the Dallas Cowboys.
Cowboys didn't have three starting linemen as well as obviously
not having Digs in their defensive backfield. San Francisco forty
nine ers out for blood, out for blood in San Francisco,
a fourteen point line, perfect weather, This will be a
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monstrous blowout win for the San Francisco forty nine ers.
Give me the Niners and that massive, massive spread. Chargers
take on the Raids. And as much as it will
be a Raider home game in LA, it hasn't bothered
the Chargers when they played in LA against the Raiders
at all times, and the Chargers of their need of
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a home win. Now, they did lose Mike Williams to injury,
but outside of that relatively clean Meanwhile, Jimmy Garoppolo was
kind of a mess, right and he may not play,
and then it would be Brian Hoyer or Aidan O'Connell.
I just look at the Raiders and I don't think
they're very good. I don't obviously, you know, you got
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one great rush in, but the defense isn't particularly good.
And I think the Chargers are far better talent wise.
And as much as there have been calls in the
question of Brandon Staley, you can say the same thing
about Josh mcdaneers. Give me the Chargers and the five
point line. The Broncos take on the Bears. This one's
in Chicago, and obviously both teams should be embarrassed by
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their performances last weekend. But I gotta tell you, I
without the starting left tackle with Chicago throwing justin fields
back out there. I know that Russell Wilson isn't the
same guy he used to be, but he's got to
be better than the guy that we've seen and that
quit that white flag that was waived in Denver. This
is one of those if you don't get it right,
everybody's gonna lose their job. I think the Broncos bow
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up mounts back there. Three and a half point favorites.
Give me the Broncos on the road a little bonus
pick for you. Here in the kans City Chiefs, you
got to take the power of Taylor Swift. No, I'm
not going to annoy Jason Stewart with the Taylor Swift mentioned.
I just I don't see the Jets being able to
score and the Kansas City Chiefs can score and they
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have Pat Mahomes and the Chiefs do not, I mean
then the Jets do not. They're nine point favorites. This
is an easy win for Kansas City protect Pat Maah Homes,
get rid of the football and just play solid defense.
They will Chiefs will win, Chiefs all cover. All right,
that's it for our five for five here in the
Doug Gottlieb Show five on three three.
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I want to get to your bear Bets of the week.
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But let's talk about the game that Colorado has been
the highest rated in terms of TV ratings we've seen
the last I think two games they've played, and again,
based upon what you read on social media, the handle
on Colorado Colorado games has been gigantic. There once again
a three touchdown underdog, this time at home against you USC.
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He still won't have Travis Hunter. We don't know about
Shiloh Sanders. What are your thoughts on the twenty one
point line or the seventy three point total, seventy.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
Three spiels feels kind of high. We saw last week,
and I know Oregon's defense is better than SC's, but
if if Hunter is not out there, and I've heard
some rumblings that we may not be able to we
were hurt his ankle late in that Oregon game last week.
I've heard he may be out as well, so that
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that would really limit what Colorado can do on offense,
even against an SC defense which is giving up some plays.
And look, I think they've kind of slept walked last
week in tenp against the Sun Devils, and I think
this is an opportunity. And we talked about this earlier
at the start of the year, like typically when you
get kind of a mediocre to the subpar team, you're
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not necessarily getting a team's best shot every week, like
the big game teams are kind of just kind of
sliding through and is looking to get out with a win.
But because it's Dion Sanders and because of all the
hype and the social media and the ratings and everything,
they are going to get everybody's best shot. I would
be surprised if that seed did not come in here
tomorrow and put up a big number on offense, especially
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after kind of going through the motions last year left
week and not looking so great. So I would be
inclined to lay the twenty one and look at an
FC team total over. I know that number has kind
of come down a little bit this week. I think
it opened it twenty four or somewhere around there, and
now it's not twenty one. So could be an opportunity
here to buy a little low on the trophanes.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
And I'll give you a little little inside tip, but
you can't. This is for your segment, not for everybody
else's segment. That if you get the body clock, Oh bodyclock,
it's early start time. USC lives twice a week at
six in the morning, and they feel like bodyclock shouldn't
be an issue issue for their guys, So they've prepared
for this all off season and regular season long. Let's
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get the Big twelve, which is kind of calling itself
the Big twelve, but this is an old Southwest Conference matchup.
Houston a disappointing two and two against Texas Tech, who
lost their starting quarterback for the year, lost a close
one at West Virginia after you went down, but they
found ways to lose. You know, could have beaten Oregon
at home had Wyoming and then there's a two and
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a half hour delay and then they lose at West
Virginia after Shure goes down with the with the broken ankle.
What are your thoughts at home at home in Lubbock
As what I'm seeing as an eight and a half
point favorite in the total of fifty two.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
You never know exactly what you're going to get from
Adina Holgers and coach team. I mean, they're usually a
wide arrange array of outcomes you can get front of anything.
Taking on Tech here, a team that he's kind of
familiar with, and then Bene Socia, who's been around for
a while. Donovan Smith, the Houston quarterback, was it Tech
last year, so I think that certainly comes into play
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as well. You certainly will want to go out improve
he can play. And again, the Tech quarterback situation worries
me a little bit. I think they're more in the
backup data shouldered I think in that game last week
as well, so he may not be one hundred percent.
If he's limited, then then who the hell knows what
Tech will do with quarterbacks. So I think getting the
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eight and a half points with Houston here despite getting
drilled at TCU, I think that feels like the right player.
I just don't know how good this Tech offense is
going to be without Shucking everything. The only time they
look like a real functional offense was with Shuck running,
and without him out there, I think they're going to
struggle to give me, give me the Kuchris plus eight math.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Oldest rivalry in the South is Georgia taking on Auburn.
They head down the Planes Dogs are fourteen a half
point favorites. Low total though at forty five. What are
your thoughts on Georgia Auburn.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
I like the Auburn team total under fifteen and a half.
If you go back to the twenty seventeen season, Auburn
won the regular season meeting and then Georgia completely annihilated
them in the SEC title game. The six games, Auburn
has scored ten, ten, six, fourteen, ten and seven in
those games. And if you look at what Auburn's offense
has done this year in the two Power Five games
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they played against A and M and Cal two hundred
and thirty yards, two hundred yards, three and a half
yards to play, two offensive touchdowns and one of them
came on a seventeen yard drive. So it is clear
that Auburn is really struggling, not only at the quarterback
position but at the offensive line as well. He's rotated
four and Ashford in like, they really don't have a
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chance right now on offense. So I found anunder fifteen
and a half. It's a team total to be very attractive.
If it's fourteen and a half, I think Gigs still
take that as well, just based on how Auburn has
really struggled against this team since Georgia has become the
national power that they are.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
I forgot to get into it because we started with
sc and Colorado. But tonight big game in the pack
as you have Utah four to zero dominant upfront taking State.
We don't know about Utah cam rising situation, and of
course Oregon State and DJA anglele but coming off of
their first loss of the year at the Bolue, returning
home playing in Core Vallas, the Beaves are a four
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point favorite and the total is forty four.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
Well, you can interpret the line move however you would
like this game is moved from I think three three
and a half to four and a half in last
twenty four hours. So my sense is I don't think
we can expect Rising to play. I kind of think
like maybe the bye week next week has been a
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kind of an internal kind of mark all along to
get him back out there. So I think the backup's
going to be out there again tonight, and I think
in Core Vallas that's going to be a rough go.
I think it's going to be a very low scoring
kind of game. I saw a Utah team total at
twenty and a half. That was what I thought was
the most appealing bet out there because I think they
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will struggle to run a ball against the Beavers and
it's going to be up to the backup to to
see what he can do. So I would I would
kind of look at maybe Oregon State money line being
at the mine being that moved north of the field
goal and and a Utah team total under that's that's
those are the two things I'm looking at to that big,
big game for Oregon State coming back off that loss,
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and then he dd you to do well and maybe
they maybe they even look at maybe bringing in Charles
for a little change of pace as well, because it
looks like angle he has kind of been pressed in
the last couple of weeks. He started at the first
couple wek was really good. In the last couple of weeks,
whether it's been film or whatever, he's kind of taking
a little bit of a step back. So so maybe
they maybe they're bringing Charles to give a little bit
of a change of pace against what is a really
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good Utah defense.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
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Speaker 4 (33:57):
It's it's a big weekend in the sun Belt. There's
someone really good Sun Belt Games. Troy Georgia State is
probably the best of the games. Georgia State's four and
oh they just be Coastal Carolina by double digits at
Coastal Carolina and now you're home against Troy and the
line's only one, like it seems like a very strange
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line to have a four and oh, team up a
big win at home and you're only a one point
favorite against Troy. And that's before you kind of dive
into how good the Troy defense has been and how
good Troy has been under John Somerl the head coach.
And he's kind of toss up type games where the
spreads within a field goal kind of either way. Like
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he's been involved in six of them and they've won
five outright. So like he's a really good coach who
coached defense under Mark Stukes Kentucky. I have a ton
of respect for him. There wouldn't surprise me at all.
I see Troy go on the road and that defense
travels them to get a win against Georgia State.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Awesome stuff. Chris, thanks so much for joining us. As always,
we know your schedule is Busy'd love you work obviously
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Speaker 4 (35:09):
Appreciate Stefan agree.
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Speaker 3 (36:05):
With Jordan Poyer out for Buffalo on Sunday, safety DeMar
Hamlin is expected to make his season debut for the
Bills as they entertained the Miami Dolphins.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Unbelievable news. Unbelievable news. Tomorrow, Hamlin's going to be back
playing football, So no downside to that story, although you
know you want Jordan Poyer back at some point in time.
Tomorrow Hamlin's gonna have to play now, not just play,
but play well obviously at secondary B challenge.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
The NFL and NFL Players Association today got together modifying
the league's policy on gambling doug. It now includes a
lifetime ban for anyone attempting to or actually fixing the
outcome of an NFL game. Also, a minimum one year
ban will be given if you bet on NFL football,
and a minimum two year band if you are found
to have bet on your own team. The league did
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modify rules on betting at the workplace, something that got
Jamison Williams of the Lions a six game ban.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
Well.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
Now a first vie will be a two game ban,
then a second violation of that policy will be a
six game ban. Not only did Williams and Nicholas Petit
Freeir be punished under that old rule, they actually will
be reinstated on Monday because of these new rules, only
serving a four game ban.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
I mean, look good negotiations by the NFLPA. I have
no idea why the NFL is allowing players to bet
on any sport. I just don't get it.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
Judge of Tennessee is into the conservatorship between former ole
miss and NFL lineman Michael Orr and Sean and Leeann Toohey.
The judge also ruled she would not be dismissing the
lawsuit that Or has filed against the Towey family.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
Hmm, well, I mean, let's see what happens with the lawsuit.
But the Twoyes have done what they said they would do,
and the conservativeship. Now we'll figure out, you know, were
they really fleecing him in the movie deal like he claims,
they were.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
A couple of quick quarterbacking notes. Derek Carr questionable for
the Saints. They'll make the decision likely tomorrow on whether
he'll face the Buccaneers Jimmy Garoppolo in that concussion protocol. Bryce,
I'm going to Anthony richardson the two rookies back in
action in week four, and Sean McVay says Cooper cup
will be able to start practicing next week, open up,
opening up that twenty one day window for his return.
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That's impress and just a.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Running back bay. You get out there and pressed. That
was the press buy er. Any big upset you got
coming this weekend, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
I don't have anything crazy, but I do think that
the Commanders can keep it close against the Eagles. It's
a big number there, even after that dreadful performance last
week against Buffalo.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Yeah, they just can't protect Sam Howse. He's on pace
to being hit over one hundred sacked over one hundred times. Man,
you got to protect a kid. And it's not like
the Eagles don't have a dynamic pass rush right all right?
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by searching apps Hawk. I'm not somebody who seeks out
and searches out for credit, okay, but there is a
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desire there for credit for a lot of people. And
Dan Campbell, I don't think he searched for credit, but
I've seen a lot of this, these stats with you know,
the Lions finished eight and two last year. You know
they're three and one this year. That's eleven and three
in their last fourteen games. They dominate the Packers for
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the most part yesterday, and Jared Goff doesn't get a
ton of credit. I remember Jared Goff help turn around
the Rams. His rookie year was a bit of a disaster,
but then after that it took off and end up
in the Super Bowl where they lost to the Patriots.
Granted didn't score a touchdown and the loss of fourteen
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to three loss to the Patriots and fell out of
favor shortly thereafter with Sean McVay. They end up trading
him for Matt Stafford, which felt like and was by
many people's estimation and upgrade. Rams bounce back, go to
the super Bowl and there's Jared Goff left in Detroit.
It doesn't get a contract extension, and you're just trying
(01:27):
to figure out what's the deal with Jared Goff. So
Jared Goff yesterday, after winning the Thursday night football game
against the Packers, summed up the game this way. Yeah, obviously,
Joe was an unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
It's complimentary football. That's what the good teams do. You know,
I make a bad play, they hold them to three,
you know, they get a turnover, we score points. That
type of stuff, and that's what the good team's doing.
Our defense played great, and you know, you'd like to
stop being having to talk about responding to stuff and
being able to like, you know, get over the hump.
But yeah, defense kept us senate man, and it made
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it really easy for us on offense to continue to
run the ball the way we were and know that
they were gonna get stops. We really dominated the whole game,
and it's you know what we expect to do. You know,
we have a good team and we have a we
have a good offense and good defense, a good special teams.
We got good skill player if you have a good
line on both sides, like we should do that at
times when things are clicking like they were in the
second quarter like you mentioned. But yeah, it's something we're
comfortable with and we know who we are and but
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gotta keep doing it. It's it's hard. It's every every
week's gonna be hard.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Next week will be hard. So I got to keep
going on this Stut Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Trader.
That's the voice of Jared Goff. Okay, so Jared Golf. Also,
he went on Amazon TV after the game and he
kind of got onto Ryan Fitzpatrick and said, you know,
oh you said, I'm a poor man's Matt Ryan. I mean,
here's the thing, Matt Ryan was a good quarterback. Now
(02:47):
I'm going to disagree with I'm going to disagree with
the narrative that that Matt Ryan is a Hall of Famer.
I don't necessarily see that one coming to be. I
just but Matt Ryan's a really good player. He was
(03:08):
a League MVP. They did go to a Super Bowl.
Here's a question, maybe for buyer, I think Matt Ryan
had a better career than Cam Newton. Hmm, Matt Ryan
or Cam Newton.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
I think it's a bit apples to oranges. But to
play along with the game, I would say Matt Ryan.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
It's apples orange is because they played the position so differently. Yes,
it is the same position in the same era.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Yes, but I don't think like I I've always felt
with Cam Newton it was foolish for us to think
that he was going to have a fifteen year NFL career.
I just like Matt Ryan had how many sixteen years?
Whatever it was for Matt Ryan. So that's why I
think it's the little apples to oranges. But if I
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had to pick one, I would pick Matt Ryan.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Okay, what is and where I think you're going with
the apples to oranges is? And I agree with is
that like you can't do the stat thing for the
most part, because you know what Matt Ryan made up
for in accuracy and ability to throw. Cam Newton made
up with running the football. But they're both Rookie of
the Year, they were both a League MVP, they both
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went to one Super Bowl. The difference is in length
of career, although it should be pointed out that those
those latter years in Atlanta, right, if you up cut
him off at the ten years in one place, he
ends up with a far better record than the what
is he was one oh two, one twenty and one
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oh two in fourteen years. You know, it's like ten games,
even more like thirty games above five hundred if you
cut out those. That's because he had a seven and eight,
four and twelve, seven and twelve and then obviously four
to seven to one in Indy. But they had you know, one, two, three, four, five, six,
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six double digit win seasons Cam Newton and again, like
I agree with you, you can't judge stats. He had three
in the same amount of time, three in Carolina, and
they're in the same division. That's the other part. In
the same division at the same time. Both won Rookie
of the Year, both won MVP. It's a really I
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that just kind of just came into my came to
my head when we were I knew we were gonna
talk about Matt Ryan and I don't think either are
Hall of famers. I actually think Cam has a better
shot to get into the Hall of Fame. I think
Matt Ryan was a better quarterback by most people's estimation,
and I rather would have had Matt Ryan as my
quarterback in his career as physically dominant as Cam Newton
(06:03):
was in his prime. Uh, because you I think you
win more from the pocket from the pocket.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Hm.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Anyway, Like, look, I think the comparison, it's comparing somebody
somebody who's a probably one notch below Hall of Fame player.
One notch below Hall of Fame player is not a
bad thing, right, is there anything bad about that? I mean,
that's where I don't know if you ever get this
(06:34):
buyer like in your in your in your mentions, like oh,
you just want to be Cowherd like that, there's the
worst people in the world to be compared to than
Colin Cowherd. You just want to be Rome. I don't know, Jim.
Rome's done pretty well for himself. You know. If you
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want to name some guy, some local guy who was
on the air for like a year and then got bounced,
I understand. You know, Jay stew we talked about this earlier,
that the poor man's is is supposed to be a shot.
But again, if you want to call me a poor
man's Matt Ryan, You're like, I cool. By the way,
Jared Goff, he hasn't been a League MVP, he wasn't
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Rookie of the Year, but he has been to a
super Bowl, and my guess would would be that all
of his numbers will be slightly less, including wins and losses,
than Matt Ryan. He is, in fact, the poor man's
Matt Ryan. And Matt Ryan was you know, he was
the picture of efficiency. He was smart, good guy, nothing
(07:37):
to worry about, you know, never the highest paid guy
in the league. A little bit better than maybe the
public things he is, but not necessarily not close to
being the top. Like, yeah, I think that's about right.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
But isn't it the knockoff version, like the you know,
the it's not coke or Pepsi.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
It's.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
Cola Mars.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Yeah, this is how brand, Well, it's a store brand
that's different.
Speaker 6 (08:07):
This is how Merriam Webster defines what a poorman's is,
someone such as a performer who is like another person
in some ways but not as talented or successful.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yeah, that's what he is.
Speaker 6 (08:22):
Oh, but it's not a compliment, but it's meant to
be an insult.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
I understand it's meant to be an insult, but it's
not really an insult when you do Matt Ryan, and
and I would also, you know, does Fitzpatrick know it's
meant to be an insult? I know you went to Harvard,
but we assume that everybody went to Harvard. Every word
that comes out of their mouth is that of genius
and brilliance and sometimes like yeah, because I also think
that things don't necessarily mean what Merriam Webster meant them
(08:47):
to mean in common speak, Like if you said he's
just he's a he's like Matt Ryan, only not as good.
He's notice likely not as good as Matt Ryan, you
go like, yeah, I kind of see that. Do you
see that? Am I wrong? Guys?
Speaker 6 (09:03):
Well, it seems like you have two facts here that
Fitzpatrick meant it as an insult and Goff took it
as an insult.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
I don't think he meant it as an insult. I
think he mentored kind of matter of fact, I think
we think he meant it as insult because he went
to Harvard, so we think that everything he says matches
with Miriam Miriam Webster's dictionary.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
I for what you laid out. If Fitzpatrick would have
said he's a poor man's Joe Montana, then I think
you're going like, okay, all right, but the conversation that
we just have here about you know, Matt Ryan, and
that's not meant to disrespect Matt Ryan, but it completely
is disrespecting Matt Ryan. I think that's where Gof's like, okay,
(09:45):
Like it's one thing to take like an all time
great and be like, Okay, your game is kind of
like this person's, but maybe not up to that level.
But when you're going to the level down where you
said Matt Ryan isn't a Hall of Famer, I think
that's probably why Jared Goff takes offense to it.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
No, I understand again, and Jared Goff not a dummy either,
and we automatically like, look, I've told people this all
the time. We overreact people. I'll react when you say
the word mediocre. Mediocre to most people means bad. Mediocre
in the dictionary definition means average. Average is not bad
averages average, it's a mediocre performance. It was an average performance.
(10:28):
But do you say, how is your performance mediocre?
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Like?
Speaker 1 (10:31):
WHOA, what do we do wrong? Like it was mediocre.
It wasn't terrible, it wasn't great. It's mediocre. But again
that's the dictionary definition, and things don't necessarily go by
the dictionary definition. I think what he meant was he's
a slightly lesser version of Matt Ryan. And now he
could have backed it up as you said, Dan, and
this would have been probably better. Like people been killing
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Matt Ryan. You know, people don't think that, but Matt
Ryan's borderline Hall of Famer, and he's not a borderline
Hall of Famer. He's a notch below. But you can
make a lot of money and be a good, solid
quarterback for a long time. We like, let's not talk
ourselves into Jared Goff being awesome.
Speaker 6 (11:09):
Right right, nobody's saying it's awesome.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Just kind of go through the Was he better than
Jordan Love last night? Sure, but he had a lot
more protection. But okay, in that division, would you take
him at Kirk Cousins, you take Kirk Cousins, And Kirk
Cousins has never been seen as a top five, top
ten quarterback, even though he's probably gonna throw for six
thousand yards if he sticks with the Vikings this year.
So he's he's in the you know what we what
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we say last hour, he's in the fifteen to twenty range.
That's mediocre, that's average, that's right in the middle. If
Pat Mahomes is an A, he's a C. It's fine.
You can win a lot with a C. Just don't
turn it over, which he doesn't do. Again, maybe this
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is my screwed up way of looking at the world.
But because I and maybe this is I've had people,
you know, call me whether broadcasting career or a basketbook
or a poor man's version of And maybe he was
intended as an insult. Maybe it wasn't. But again, if
you compare me to somebody who like, yeah, I actually
think that's about right, and I'm a slightly lesser version
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of like, okay, that's fine. You know, he didn't compare
him to him. Trying to think of a you know,
Chad Pennington, who I actually loved, But Chad Pennington just
didn't have a straight start, strong arm and was really
more felt like more of a backup than starter or
(12:38):
what was that? What was the Dartmouth quarterback who started
for the Miami Dolphins, Jay Fiedler, Jay Fiedler good All,
Jay Feedler, good pull. I What if Ryan Fitzpash is like, yeah,
you're just a poor man's version Ja Jay Fiedler like
you know Ivy League quarterback backup sometimes start like yeah,
(13:00):
I can see that.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
What about if he said he was a rich man's
Jay Fiedler completely turning the tables like, huh, thank you
very much.
Speaker 7 (13:11):
Take that.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Uh. Ramos's laugh is a poor man's What was the
guy who was the guy used to sit on the
couch for Johnny Carson, Ed McMahon, Ed McMahon poor man's
McMahon with that leaf. Yes, yes, indeed.
Speaker 6 (13:30):
Ed McMahon's a legend though legend, right.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
So it's got to be somebody lesser of a legend.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
What about if it was Setan then that Dan Patrick
his laugh a lot that would be not his.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
That's a perfect example.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Yes, I know, but Matt Ryan's not seating, He's not
Ed McMahon.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (13:54):
Mans held pretty high regard in our industry.
Speaker 7 (14:00):
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Let's go five, Hine are five for five. Let's start
in college football. Clemson's taken on Syracuse and a lot
of people are down on Clemson because the Tigers, well,
they lost to Florida State and they lost to Duke.
But if you remember the Duke game, of course, you
know two block kicks, two fumbles inside the ten. Even
the Florida State game that frankly they had won last
(15:40):
week if not for an untimely turnof for taking on
a Syracuse team that Okay, look, they're four to zero
on the season, but let me give you the wins Colgate,
Western Michigan, the Burdue win on the road's a good one.
And Army. Now, this is going to be a zoo
at the Dome. And Clemson of course comes in as
believe it or not, a six and a half point favorite.
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Despite being two and two, Clemson is a superior roster.
Clemson does have good quarterback play. Clemson, though downtrodden, end
out of the national championship race already only in game
five of the season. In Week five of the season,
Clemson's gonna win, Clemson's gonna cover in the Battle of
Orange in Syracuse, New York. Colorado's taken on USC, and
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I understand it's very easy to be down on USC's
defense because at times they've given up big plays, even
to the likes of San Jose State, not as much
to Nevada, who's not particularly good, or last weekend to
Arizona State. But one of the curious things that happens
when you create a buzz, and there's an absolute buzz
about Colorado football that's undeniable, is you start to get
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everybody's best shot. Right. Everyone gets their neck cleaned for
this game, but I mean neck cleaning. You know, you
go get to clippers, get your neck doll cleaned up,
use that straight blade razor to make sure you look good.
And when USC won wants to be great, they are Colorado.
They're just beaten up. And look, they probably should have
lost to Colorado State. It wasn't like they were dominant
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over Nebraska. Nebraska's quarterback shot himself in the foot, And
yes they beat TCU, but they had to have two
timely turnovers in the red zone by TCU in order
to pull off that win. Again, not trying to diminish
what they've been able to do, considering three and a
half was the win total. But I'm just being realistic here.
They get USC's best shot and that's not a good thing.
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USC's gonna win. US is gonna cover now. As for
the seventy three man, that's a big total. That's a big,
big total, especially considering the altitude that does become a
factor and the fact that USC, if they get at
early lead a little bit like Oregon, even though organ
said they weren't taking the foot off their gas, they will.
I like USC and the under. The total right now
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is seventy three and the line is twenty one and
a half. It drops below twenty one, then just go
crazy on USC. But I really like USC and the under.
Kansas take's on Texas and KU continues to have just
a remarkable, remarkable year under Lance Leopold, who last year
rose them to prominence, and they brought back a good
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portion of the team this year and are healthier at quarterback. Therefore, oh,
they're taking on Texas on the road. The total is
sixty one and a half and the lion is sixteen
and a half in favor of Texas. And remember this
is Kansas team that beat a good BYU team. They
also beat Illinois earlier this year, so it's not like
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they've played all, you know, rummy competition to this point.
On the other hand, Texas is just playing on a
different level. They going to Baylor, who's not great this year,
beat them thirty eight to six. Wasn't competitive. They had
Alabama's defensive backfield completely and totally lost. Yes, you could
you could wonder about how excited they are about taking
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on taking on on Kansas when Oklahoma is next weekend.
That's the dreaded look ahead game. But I just think
this team feels like they're wired a little bit different.
I like Texas to cover that gigantic spread against four
to oho Kansas. Okay, here's a curious one, right Iowa.
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Brian Farrens is their offensive coordinator, and you know he's
got a what average twenty five a game and they
got to win seven games and last weekend they had
four first downs. But they're traveling home to take on
Michigan State. And Michigan State since Meltucker was first suspended
and then fired, they were beaten forty one to seven
and thirty one to nine. Those were both home games.
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Now they're on the road, Meltucker's officially out. And remember
remember that the way in which the rules work with
the transfer portal is these players now have, I believe,
a month to decide whether or not they want to
put themselves in the portal. And you might ask yourself, okay,
but why do it now or why not play now
when you're already committed to the season. The rules are
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such if you play four games or less, that can
become your red shirt year. It doesn't even count. I
don't know how many of the best players from Michigan
State play this weekend or what their motivation is. As
for Iowa, I mean, the motivation for the coaching staff
is obvious, and the motivation for the team couldn't be
more obvious as well as they could still get another
shot because they don't play Ohio State this year, they
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don't play Michigan this year, they played Perdue, they play Wisconsin, Minnesota, Northwestern, Rutgers, Illinois, Nebraska,
all games they could win. Motivated to do so, eleven
and a half point line, give me the Hawkeyes to
cover the eleven and a half point spread and to
help get Brian Farrens closer to that average. That he
needs an old SEC matchup now in excuse me, an
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old Southwest Conference matchup now in the SEC, Texas A
and M is staying on Arkansas and the Hogs are
coming off two really difficult losses, close losses, one to
BYU at home and last weekend at LSU and it
taken on Texas A and M. And Texas A and
M lost their starting quarterback. But Max Johnson returns. Remember
Max Johnson, his dad, Brad Johnson, was quarterback for Tampa,
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and of course Max started his career at LSU and
ends up at Texas A and M. And last year
he was pretty good when he came in as a backup.
Now he gets another chance to be the starter. It's
his team. This is a really talent Texas A and
M team, and I'm not sure Max Johnson is a
bad option at all. Yes, they lost to Florida. There
were some calls that didn't go their way and didn't
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play as well as probably they should have. But you
go back and look at the film and there was
a couple of fifty to fifty plays they just did
not get the calls and didn't make some plays did.
Last weekend against Auburn I mean Auburn needed a crazy
play even to score ten points. The defense is dominant
and the offense will be better. Fifty three and a half.
I like the under, and I like A and M
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to cover the under and A and M to cover.
Let's get to the NFL picks. Let's start with the
game being played overseas as at Wembley Stadium. Jacksonville is
going to take on Atlanta early in the morning. Jacksonville
coming off a couple of losses, obviously to the Chiefs
and then a disappointing one to Houston last week. Now
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they take on Atlanta, who's a surprising two to one
behind a young star running back, and they have some
good talent. I like Jacksonville in this Jacksonvill obviously used
to playing games overseas. Jacksonville is better than how they've played.
And what do you always hear about the NFL? Right
if you don't like how your team played, wait a week,
maybe it's two weeks. But Jacksonville wins. They cover the
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three point line. Rumblings out of Cleveland about the possibility
that Deshaun Watson doesn't play because of injury. The line
right now, the line right now is the Ravens are
a one point dog in Cleveland. So you may ask
yourself self, who is the backup quarterback to Deshaun Watson
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in Cleveland if he doesn't play. The answer is DTR
Dorian Thompson Robinson, who's a four year starter at UCLA
and a good athlete and a good college quarterback. And
you could say that there's some attributes to how Deshaun
Watson used to play running the football. And yes, the
Baltimore Ravens are completely banged up and they lost at
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home after having a big lead to the Indianapolis Colts.
That said, you take Deshaun Watson off of this team
and they don't have Nick Chubb, and I don't like
Cleveland at home. Give me Baltimore knowing that there's a
strong possibility that Cleveland's not starting not starting Deshaun Watson
at quarterback. San Francisco forty nine ers welcome in the
(23:44):
Arizona Cardinals. Cardinals have played well in all three games
and they were awesome last weekend to be the Dallas Cowboys.
Cowboys didn't have three starting linemen as well as obviously
not having Digs in their defensive backfield. San Francisco forty
nine ers out for blood, out for blood in San Francisco,
a fourteen point line, perfect weather, This will be a
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monstrous blowout win for the San Francisco forty nine ers.
Give me the Niners and that massive, massive spread. Chargers
take on the Raids. And as much as it will
be a Raider home game in LA, it hasn't bothered
the Chargers when they played in LA against the Raiders
at all times, and the Chargers of their need of
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a home win. Now, they did lose Mike Williams to injury,
but outside of that relatively clean Meanwhile, Jimmy Garoppolo was
kind of a mess, right and he may not play,
and then it would be Brian Hoyer or Aidan O'Connell.
I just look at the Raiders and I don't think
they're very good. I don't obviously, you know, you got
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one great rush in, but the defense isn't particularly good.
And I think the Chargers are far better talent wise.
And as much as there have been calls in the
question of Brandon Staley, you can say the same thing
about Josh mcdaneers. Give me the Chargers and the five
point line. The Broncos take on the Bears. This one's
in Chicago, and obviously both teams should be embarrassed by
(25:09):
their performances last weekend. But I gotta tell you, I
without the starting left tackle with Chicago throwing justin fields
back out there. I know that Russell Wilson isn't the
same guy he used to be, but he's got to
be better than the guy that we've seen and that
quit that white flag that was waived in Denver. This
is one of those if you don't get it right,
everybody's gonna lose their job. I think the Broncos bow
(25:30):
up mounts back there. Three and a half point favorites.
Give me the Broncos on the road a little bonus
pick for you. Here in the kans City Chiefs, you
got to take the power of Taylor Swift. No, I'm
not going to annoy Jason Stewart with the Taylor Swift mentioned.
I just I don't see the Jets being able to
score and the Kansas City Chiefs can score and they
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have Pat Mahomes and the Chiefs do not, I mean
then the Jets do not. They're nine point favorites. This
is an easy win for Kansas City protect Pat Maah Homes,
get rid of the football and just play solid defense.
They will Chiefs will win, Chiefs all cover. All right,
that's it for our five for five here in the
Doug Gottlieb Show five on three three.
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Bear Bets is the podcast. Of course, you can see
him on Big Noon Kickoff. They will be at USC
Colorado in Boulder yet again. And Chris Folka joins us
now on the Doug Gotlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
I want to get to your bear Bets of the week.
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But let's talk about the game that Colorado has been
the highest rated in terms of TV ratings we've seen
the last I think two games they've played, and again,
based upon what you read on social media, the handle
on Colorado Colorado games has been gigantic. There once again
a three touchdown underdog, this time at home against you USC.
(27:00):
He still won't have Travis Hunter. We don't know about
Shiloh Sanders. What are your thoughts on the twenty one
point line or the seventy three point total, seventy.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
Three spiels feels kind of high. We saw last week,
and I know Oregon's defense is better than SC's, but
if if Hunter is not out there, and I've heard
some rumblings that we may not be able to we
were hurt his ankle late in that Oregon game last week.
I've heard he may be out as well, so that
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that would really limit what Colorado can do on offense,
even against an SC defense which is giving up some plays.
And look, I think they've kind of slept walked last
week in tenp against the Sun Devils, and I think
this is an opportunity. And we talked about this earlier
at the start of the year, like typically when you
get kind of a mediocre to the subpar team, you're
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not necessarily getting a team's best shot every week, like
the big game teams are kind of just kind of
sliding through and is looking to get out with a win.
But because it's Dion Sanders and because of all the
hype and the social media and the ratings and everything,
they are going to get everybody's best shot. I would
be surprised if that seed did not come in here
tomorrow and put up a big number on offense, especially
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after kind of going through the motions last year left
week and not looking so great. So I would be
inclined to lay the twenty one and look at an
FC team total over. I know that number has kind
of come down a little bit this week. I think
it opened it twenty four or somewhere around there, and
now it's not twenty one. So could be an opportunity
here to buy a little low on the trophanes.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
And I'll give you a little little inside tip, but
you can't. This is for your segment, not for everybody
else's segment. That if you get the body clock, Oh bodyclock,
it's early start time. USC lives twice a week at
six in the morning, and they feel like bodyclock shouldn't
be an issue issue for their guys, So they've prepared
for this all off season and regular season long. Let's
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get the Big twelve, which is kind of calling itself
the Big twelve, but this is an old Southwest Conference matchup.
Houston a disappointing two and two against Texas Tech, who
lost their starting quarterback for the year, lost a close
one at West Virginia after you went down, but they
found ways to lose. You know, could have beaten Oregon
at home had Wyoming and then there's a two and
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a half hour delay and then they lose at West
Virginia after Shure goes down with the with the broken ankle.
What are your thoughts at home at home in Lubbock
As what I'm seeing as an eight and a half
point favorite in the total of fifty two.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
You never know exactly what you're going to get from
Adina Holgers and coach team. I mean, they're usually a
wide arrange array of outcomes you can get front of anything.
Taking on Tech here, a team that he's kind of
familiar with, and then Bene Socia, who's been around for
a while. Donovan Smith, the Houston quarterback, was it Tech
last year, so I think that certainly comes into play
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as well. You certainly will want to go out improve
he can play. And again, the Tech quarterback situation worries
me a little bit. I think they're more in the
backup data shouldered I think in that game last week
as well, so he may not be one hundred percent.
If he's limited, then then who the hell knows what
Tech will do with quarterbacks. So I think getting the
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eight and a half points with Houston here despite getting
drilled at TCU, I think that feels like the right player.
I just don't know how good this Tech offense is
going to be without Shucking everything. The only time they
look like a real functional offense was with Shuck running,
and without him out there, I think they're going to
struggle to give me, give me the Kuchris plus eight math.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Oldest rivalry in the South is Georgia taking on Auburn.
They head down the Planes Dogs are fourteen a half
point favorites. Low total though at forty five. What are
your thoughts on Georgia Auburn.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
I like the Auburn team total under fifteen and a half.
If you go back to the twenty seventeen season, Auburn
won the regular season meeting and then Georgia completely annihilated
them in the SEC title game. The six games, Auburn
has scored ten, ten, six, fourteen, ten and seven in
those games. And if you look at what Auburn's offense
has done this year in the two Power Five games
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they played against A and M and Cal two hundred
and thirty yards, two hundred yards, three and a half
yards to play, two offensive touchdowns and one of them
came on a seventeen yard drive. So it is clear
that Auburn is really struggling, not only at the quarterback
position but at the offensive line as well. He's rotated
four and Ashford in like, they really don't have a
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chance right now on offense. So I found anunder fifteen
and a half. It's a team total to be very attractive.
If it's fourteen and a half, I think Gigs still
take that as well, just based on how Auburn has
really struggled against this team since Georgia has become the
national power that they are.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
I forgot to get into it because we started with
sc and Colorado. But tonight big game in the pack
as you have Utah four to zero dominant upfront taking State.
We don't know about Utah cam rising situation, and of
course Oregon State and DJA anglele but coming off of
their first loss of the year at the Bolue, returning
home playing in Core Vallas, the Beaves are a four
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point favorite and the total is forty four.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
Well, you can interpret the line move however you would
like this game is moved from I think three three
and a half to four and a half in last
twenty four hours. So my sense is I don't think
we can expect Rising to play. I kind of think
like maybe the bye week next week has been a
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kind of an internal kind of mark all along to
get him back out there. So I think the backup's
going to be out there again tonight, and I think
in Core Vallas that's going to be a rough go.
I think it's going to be a very low scoring
kind of game. I saw a Utah team total at
twenty and a half. That was what I thought was
the most appealing bet out there because I think they
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will struggle to run a ball against the Beavers and
it's going to be up to the backup to to
see what he can do. So I would I would
kind of look at maybe Oregon State money line being
at the mine being that moved north of the field
goal and and a Utah team total under that's that's
those are the two things I'm looking at to that big,
big game for Oregon State coming back off that loss,
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and then he dd you to do well and maybe
they maybe they even look at maybe bringing in Charles
for a little change of pace as well, because it
looks like angle he has kind of been pressed in
the last couple of weeks. He started at the first
couple wek was really good. In the last couple of weeks,
whether it's been film or whatever, he's kind of taking
a little bit of a step back. So so maybe
they maybe they're bringing Charles to give a little bit
of a change of pace against what is a really
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good Utah defense.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Christ Lka joining us of course. He's the gambling expert
and analyst for Big newon Kickoff. He also has his
own podcast called bear Betts. He joins in the Doug
Gottleig choke here on Fox Sports Radio. Give Me, Give
Me a bonus. One kind of off the beaten path.
Picked for this weekend.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
It's it's a big weekend in the sun Belt. There's
someone really good Sun Belt Games. Troy Georgia State is
probably the best of the games. Georgia State's four and
oh they just be Coastal Carolina by double digits at
Coastal Carolina and now you're home against Troy and the
line's only one, like it seems like a very strange
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line to have a four and oh, team up a
big win at home and you're only a one point
favorite against Troy. And that's before you kind of dive
into how good the Troy defense has been and how
good Troy has been under John Somerl the head coach.
And he's kind of toss up type games where the
spreads within a field goal kind of either way. Like
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he's been involved in six of them and they've won
five outright. So like he's a really good coach who
coached defense under Mark Stukes Kentucky. I have a ton
of respect for him. There wouldn't surprise me at all.
I see Troy go on the road and that defense
travels them to get a win against Georgia State.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Awesome stuff. Chris, thanks so much for joining us. As always,
we know your schedule is Busy'd love you work obviously
on TV and on the podcast. Bear Bet is the podcast,
download it and it's just information at your disposal to
help you in the positive on this weekend. Fleet you
the best man. Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
Appreciate Stefan agree.
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Speaker 3 (36:05):
With Jordan Poyer out for Buffalo on Sunday, safety DeMar
Hamlin is expected to make his season debut for the
Bills as they entertained the Miami Dolphins.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Unbelievable news. Unbelievable news. Tomorrow, Hamlin's going to be back
playing football, So no downside to that story, although you
know you want Jordan Poyer back at some point in time.
Tomorrow Hamlin's gonna have to play now, not just play,
but play well obviously at secondary B challenge.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
The NFL and NFL Players Association today got together modifying
the league's policy on gambling doug. It now includes a
lifetime ban for anyone attempting to or actually fixing the
outcome of an NFL game. Also, a minimum one year
ban will be given if you bet on NFL football,
and a minimum two year band if you are found
to have bet on your own team. The league did
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modify rules on betting at the workplace, something that got
Jamison Williams of the Lions a six game ban.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
Well.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
Now a first vie will be a two game ban,
then a second violation of that policy will be a
six game ban. Not only did Williams and Nicholas Petit
Freeir be punished under that old rule, they actually will
be reinstated on Monday because of these new rules, only
serving a four game ban.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
I mean, look good negotiations by the NFLPA. I have
no idea why the NFL is allowing players to bet
on any sport. I just don't get it.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
Judge of Tennessee is into the conservatorship between former ole
miss and NFL lineman Michael Orr and Sean and Leeann Toohey.
The judge also ruled she would not be dismissing the
lawsuit that Or has filed against the Towey family.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
Hmm, well, I mean, let's see what happens with the lawsuit.
But the Twoyes have done what they said they would do,
and the conservativeship. Now we'll figure out, you know, were
they really fleecing him in the movie deal like he claims,
they were.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
A couple of quick quarterbacking notes. Derek Carr questionable for
the Saints. They'll make the decision likely tomorrow on whether
he'll face the Buccaneers Jimmy Garoppolo in that concussion protocol. Bryce,
I'm going to Anthony richardson the two rookies back in
action in week four, and Sean McVay says Cooper cup
will be able to start practicing next week, open up,
opening up that twenty one day window for his return.
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That's impress and just a.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Running back bay. You get out there and pressed. That
was the press buy er. Any big upset you got
coming this weekend, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
I don't have anything crazy, but I do think that
the Commanders can keep it close against the Eagles. It's
a big number there, even after that dreadful performance last
week against Buffalo.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Yeah, they just can't protect Sam Howse. He's on pace
to being hit over one hundred sacked over one hundred times. Man,
you got to protect a kid. And it's not like
the Eagles don't have a dynamic pass rush right all right?
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