September 26, 2023 • 37 mins
Doug gives his analysis of the season Jalen Hurts has had so far, and wonders if the first three weeks of the season is a slow start or is this just the quarterback he is. Former Chargers great Shawne Merriman joins Doug to talk about the state of his Chargers, Brandon Staley's decision to go for it on 4th & 1 Sunday, and the other major headlines around the NFL. Plus, Isaac Lowenkron takes Doug through the Tuesday edition of "The Press".
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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should be uh Jerome Bettis and Ben Roethsberger either proving
their coaches didn't adjust or they just making stuff up.
(00:46):
Patriots living rent free in some former Steelers heads. We'll
get to that upcoming. Should point out that we had
to at least fairly competitive Monday night football games. Bengals
game obviously a lot more competitive, is decided by three points.
(01:06):
Rams had a touchdown, It was six all Ramos. Did
you think that the Bengals got that time out on
time when the Rams scored what would have been a
go ahead touchdown and put them up thirteen to six.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Well, I'm gonna be honest with you right now about that.
And here's the honest point. I was waiting for the
RAMS game to start on ABC seven here locally in
Los Angeles, and guess what they were showing me? The
Philadelphia Eagles Tampa Bay Buccaneers game. The RAMS game was
on the main ESPN. I don't have ESPN. I could
(01:40):
not watch the game locally in Los Angeles. I have
never seen that before. I've never seen the local team
pushed off and the other game put on the main channel.
Maybe they thought that that game was much more because
it was Philadelphia. I don't know if you have an
answer for this, but I was quite shocked that I
couldn't see the game here locally in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
I honestly, I'm gonna be once you. I don't remember
which wasn't that the way it was nationally? Guys? I mean,
did anybody else?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
I So you're saying all of the nations saw the
Philadelphia telt.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
They made I don't think they made an adjustment based upon.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Local Okay, Well, if that was the case, then I
did not get to see the game because I don't
have ESPN.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
You don't have ESPN. No, you have Chord Cutter.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
We did that, yes, but I do have ESPN Plus.
But I guess they don't give you ESPN the main one.
If you have ESPN.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Plus, yeah they do.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
They do don't because I tried to watch it and
I kept saying, what is your provider? And I said,
my provider is the money I give you for ESPN Plus.
So I don't know what the deal is there, but yeah, we.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Need a ruling from Isaac Loncron noted Chord Cutter extraordinary
that he's actually off the grid. His Social Security number
is zero zero zero zero zero zero zero zero. Ilo,
Can I get a ruling here on ESPN? Can you
get ESPN on ESPN Plus?
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Ramos is absolutely right, you have to have it through
your TV provider in order to sign up via ESPN Plus,
which I discovered in the same outraged fashion. I think
it was either last year or a couple of years ago.
The bigger question, though, I was shocked loocked. I was
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shocked at Rams Bengals was not the ABC game because that, nationally,
I think is the better and more prominent matchup.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
But that's just me that that obviously means they're so
just so we're aware of how it actually works. And Elough,
I know you know this, and Ramos does this. I'm
talking more to people listening to the show. Okay, there
are people who are programming experts at every network, and
I don't know how the calculation is done, but they
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have to come up with who plays on what network
at what time in order to get the greatest ratings.
It doesn't mean it always works, but more often than not. Yeah,
they know there's there is a calculus that goes with it.
So they had to have calculated that. Did the ABC
games start earlier? The ESPN game start earlier?
Speaker 2 (04:19):
The ABC games started earlier because when their game ended,
the RAMS game was still going on.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Right, So that's part of it, right, Okay, you have
you have the Eagles who are East coast Eastern time zone.
You have Tampa East coast Eastern time zone, and I
would guess that the Eagles, who are NFC champions, I
would guess that they're a bigger draw. That's that's it's
the It's what you're getting is the reason is people
don't care about the Rams and Bengals as much as
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they care about the Eagles, not really the Tampay Buckers
and on. Honestly, Baker make will make people watch TV
a little bit, but that there's a there's a calculation
to it, and that must be what the calculation is.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Yeah, So to answer your question, I didn't see the
players talking about because I didn't get to see the game.
I just saw it up in the corner of the Eagles.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Tampa Bay just had that like right up in the corner.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
They had the score going on, and I had no
idea what was happening. So, yeah, sucked for me, but
I guess not for the rest of the country.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
I guess I don't know if it was great for
the rest of the country. It was a better game. Well,
you missed in the If you watch the Eagles game,
you know Jalen Hurts was okay through two picks, one touchdown,
not moving as well either. Here here's jealing after the game.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
You know, you get you got three wins down, and
so we're gonna we're gonna get to you to build
off of that. We're gonna continue to build as a team,
hold each other accountable, grow, grow, grow and learn.
Speaker 6 (05:40):
You know, that's the name of the game.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
So he says all of the right things. He says
all of the right things, and I think he does
all of the right things. But I I gotta say that,
how how does one go from being a I don't
know if he's a long term starting quarterback too, franchise quarterback, MVP,
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potential face of the league in one year. And so
we could say this is classic regressing towards the meme.
And I'm not saying he's bad. He's staying to replace him,
but the old light way, he's under the weather like okay,
he's out of the weather. He's playing, and for the
third straight game he's been okay. He doesn't look as
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explosive running, although he's always been kind of a smart runner.
Not keep in mind they have a new offensive coordinator
and he's had more He was super efficient with throwing
the football, and that has him in the case for
league now. The great thing is, as I point out,
they're probably gonna be I think it was like eight
and one, you know, going into the bye week, because
they're that good and he's gonna play better. But the
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answer isn't he What is Jalen Hurts is who he
was two years ago? But the answer is also not
he is who he was last year. I think this
is somewhere settling in between, which is classic regressing towards
the me the mean, right not the mode is the mode,
the very simple and very middle.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
I lough.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
This feels like a question for you, oh.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
Ask I loo the nerdy question when I just want
to be a sex symbol. By the way, did you
notice that incredibly awkward silence there the one second or
so after you responded.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
I did, and it would have been a longer silence
and stop of the fact that you you instead of
letting it breathe, you choked it. I choked it.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Okay, So the mode my first guest was when you
have apple pie with vanilla ice cream on it. But yeah, okay,
So technically it's the number in a group of numbers
that appears the most often. So the mean is the average,
The median is like the number that well, I don't
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really know.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
The media is right in the middle. Yeah, the mode
is the number that that appears the most most often.
Yeah huh. This is actually a really interesting discussion, a right, Jaytew,
So you understand what mean mode, and.
Speaker 7 (08:19):
So I mean regressing towards the mean is regressing towards
the average party, and regressing towards the median would be
the very middle.
Speaker 6 (08:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
So if if here's the thing, if he was a
I don't know, two years ago one through ten, he
was a six at quarterback. Last year he was at
ten at quarterback. If you're regressing to the mean, he's
an eight at quarterback, right, the average between the two.
(08:51):
If you're regressing towards the mode, again, that also would
be eight. But if it was regressing towards them, what
was the other one? No, the is the no. The
mode is the number most so, so some games he's
so far this year, he's probably been a five or
six for all three games. That would be the mode,
whereas the median is eight, which is the same as
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the mean. Right, Yes, yes, am I making sense?
Speaker 8 (09:19):
Just too?
Speaker 7 (09:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (09:20):
But I feel like I need a whiteboard and some
sort of drafting.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
I really got.
Speaker 7 (09:26):
We need to draw attention to one of our listeners, Ralph.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
There's actually two listeners another one too.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
We only have two so.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
On this subject, deg not in general.
Speaker 7 (09:38):
Ralph's goods brings this up because we just talked about
the sad aspect that John couldn't watch his home team
because he doesn't have cable or streaming or direct TV.
The Rams and Bengals game was aired on Channel thirteen KP.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
What in La. Yes, they did a bad promotion.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
It makes even less sense, but yeah, thanks TV stations
for promoting it so well.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
I didn't see it. If they did, I had no
knowledge that they had moved it.
Speaker 7 (10:06):
You could have caught the game and Lauren Sanchez.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
So I was yesterday as you I think you guys
know yesterday was jung Ki poor, right, So it was
the day of atonement. I did work and I did
play golf, but I hadn't eaten all day. And so
I'm I'm actually in Oklahoma. For people don't know, I'm
in Oklahoma, and I'm telling you. And I went to
Oklahoma State's first basketball practice. And when that I got
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out and the sun was down and there was food.
I was like, I'm so hungry, so hungry. And I
got to where like I had been planning out my day, like, man,
I want to watch both these games, and I was
going to watch them in their locker room because they
had these two gigantic big screens and surround sound. I
was gonna watch them both at once, and I actually
kind of lost my mind eating like I was so
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I was in a food coma and it wasn't like
I was eating Thanksgiving dinner, but I literally lost my mind,
like I needed like fifteen minutes of this gather miss
like what should I be doing right now? There's something
I'm supposed to be Like, Oh, yeah, I watched the game,
So I actually missed a good portion of the games
going to get something to eat and then eating and
then like taking fifteen minutes to just be in a
food coma and pat my belly because I had an
emailed that that was a real thing. But then I
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watched and I was just like, yeah, I just I've
seen some of these flaws with Jalen Hurts, and he's
much better than anyone could have thought. But this is
one of those deals where we do get caught up
a little bit in the story and not actually the substance.
The story was, here's a guy who no one expected
to be draft in the second round, projected as a
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third or fourth rounder. It goes in the second round,
ends up winning the job, hopefully so, and the first
year he's EH game manager, and then last year he explodes,
and I was like, yeah, it's just no way you
go from who he was always until and you know, like, look,
Gino Smith wasn't as good last year as Jalen Hurts
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was last year, and we have more doubta to tell
you that Gino Smith is more of what he's been
this year, even though he's at his best. But you
don't just go from being an average guy to being
a superstar like in one year. That's not generally, that's
not usually sustainable. So that's what I think is going
on there.
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Speaker 5 (12:48):
So.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Ben Roethlisberger has a podcast called Footballing. He was on
with Jerome Bettis. Jerome Bettis had this to say about
how the Patriots cheated in their opinion.
Speaker 6 (12:58):
To be fair, want.
Speaker 10 (13:02):
They're not even a question mark. They're not even a
question in my mind. It was fourth and one. It
was fourth and one. They called time out. First of all,
coach did this back in the day. This meant counter
They saw this. Coach called it office line. Coach did
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that on the sideline. They called time out. Who normally
goes to the sideline on time out? The defensive captains right.
They told the noseguard, Washington, They pulled him to the sideline,
big four hundred pounds guy.
Speaker 6 (13:37):
He don't want to go to the sideline and come
out the way back? What he want to go to
the sideline for?
Speaker 10 (13:42):
They yelling and made him go side, And I always
thought that what what are you going to say?
Speaker 6 (13:47):
He would always the sideline came back.
Speaker 10 (13:49):
Then we ran to play. He loops into the hole?
Washington does? They stopped us on fourth down. Right, that's
a critical play in the game. They had our signs
and they called a timeout.
Speaker 6 (14:08):
To get them ready for that play because they knew
it was coming. No question.
Speaker 10 (14:13):
In my mind, I remember vividly because out thought, why
is this big due, Why this big dude going to
the sideline.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Yeah, except he wasn't actually on the team that year.
Wasn't on the team that year. And here's always been
my thing about signs and signstealing, especially in the NFL.
There's a reason that you have multiple guys giving signs
college football, they got three or four quarterbacks there, plus
they're holding up signs, some of ver decoys, some of
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them a real There's a reason that they do it
that way because they know you're looking. And oh yeah,
by the way, if you go into a timeout, call
a timeout, you have it, you can make a choice.
You can change the play or keep the play. So,
I mean, I know Jerome Bettis personally, I really like him.
(15:06):
I understand this narrative of the Patriots were cheaters, but
studying tape knowing your signs is not cheating. It's not
That's not what the Astros did, and that's not what
spygate has accused them of. J Jay Stu. Nutgate, that's
(15:28):
what you want to call it, right.
Speaker 7 (15:29):
Yeah, I'm hoping to get that thing going hashtag nutgate.
Anything that involves the Patriots and controversy is a gate.
And then the nut speaks for itself. Nutgate.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Would you see anything in that video.
Speaker 7 (15:42):
No, it's a zapruder film like in twenty twenty three.
Why is there a blurry film in twenty.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Twenty to the left back and to the left.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Exactly what is going back into the left?
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Actually they are kind of going back into the left.
Been someone you left? Is isla? Could you see if
Mac Jones hit him in the unmentionable?
Speaker 4 (16:04):
I try, but it is it is blurry. I went
back to frame three thirteen of that one too, and
it was it was too blurry to tell.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
I'm afraid I couldn't tell. I couldn't tell. And and
part of it is like Mac Jones got rag doll
and throw it onto his head. He gets up and
I'm probably taking a little ring your chime shot at
somebody anyway, But you couldn't tell, couldn't tell. Sean Merriman
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joins this Chargers great all former All Pro linebacker, founder
of the lights Out Extreme Fighting lights Out eleven is
coming up on October seventh in Long Beach. It streams
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dot com. Sean, thanks so much for taking time with us.
Let's start with the Chargers. Your thoughts and them going
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forth fourth and one their own twenty four yard line
under two minutes to go.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
You know, you know, Doug, to be quite honest, it's
one of those high risks high reward, right, Like, if
you go for it and you get it, everybody applaud
you and and pat you in the back of being gutsy.
If you don't make it, you're the stupidest coach in
the world. And I think that that that's what the
you know, the risk reward is. I don't I don't
know if I would have gone for it, But I
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also think that, you know, with Justin Jefferson and that
offense to what they were moving the ball, you almost
had to. And so I was I was fifty fifty
on that. But I could have questioned some of the
ones that have passed before, but I definitely was fifty
fifty on whether you should have gone for that one
or not.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
It's crazy, absolutely absolutely crazy. How do you think let
Mike Waite lose you Mike williamshould hear affects him?
Speaker 5 (17:39):
It hurts, It hurts bad. And you know, more importantly, man,
you know, you know you're gonna have some injuries on
the season, right You're going to miss a couple of
guys here that when you get somebody that go out
with the season like Mike Williams, you're like the dynamic
changes of your offense, like what you're capable of doing
nothing against the young fellow that's gonna come in. Quinn,
Johnson and Palmer the step enough. They got their deep
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and wide receivers, they got plenty of talents. But Mike Williams, man,
he one of these guys that you know, if you
throw the ball up, he's going to get it. He's
the best, you know, position wide receiver and jump on
wide receiver there is in the NFL. And that's that's
definitely gonna hurt him a little bit.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Sean Merriman joined us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio. I'm sure you watched some last night.
I'm wondering Jalen Hurts hasn't played as well as he
had last year when he was, you know, one of
the elite players in the NFL. They're still winning, their
defense is dynamic, run game is still really good. Swift
is kind of taking them to a new level. Why
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do you think Jalen's not playing as well?
Speaker 5 (18:41):
I just look. Their coach came out after the game.
It said that they're not playing their best football and
no one is. And I'm gonna kind of break that
down for you, Like you don't get a ton of
reps in a preseason, right, you just don't. And so
when by the time you get to the first game,
teams are now new offensive coordinators, defense court especially them, right,
they lost both sides of the coordination. Is they got
new players, new coaches there, they won't be in four
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stride to about game five, game six. And people also forget,
when you win the game in the NFL, it's a win, right,
I don't care how ugly it is. It was not pretty.
You win, and that's that's the goal. Why you're struggling.
If you win, you think the Chargers wouldn't take that
thirty six or thirty four loss against the Dolphins, while
if it was the other way around, you're saying that, oh,
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we you know, we we barely want to No. No,
you win the game also too, man, we're holding the
we're holding the Philadelphia Eagles to such a high standard.
Now at this point, they can't just win football games.
They got to destroy people because of what we've seen
them do last year?
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Is that fixed? And like, how hard is it to
get it back to get to that magic level when
you were three games in they're still not playing playing
at that level.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
Well, people are saying when you lose your coordinators like that,
I don't care how great Jalen Carter that that dude is.
He's on another level and I want to make the
comparison to Aaron Donald. Nothing like that yet his way
too early in his career. But if he keeps going
like that, he's going to be mentioned up there with
a Aaron Donald. When you lose your coordinators, I don't
care what kind of players you have, This a whole
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new system. Guys are not playing fast. They're out there
thinking and trying to remember things that they're out of
their comfort zone and what they know best. So it's
going to be a little slower starting out this season.
That's why I said by game five, game six, we're
going to see what type of team they really are.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
How does a team give up seventy points? And look,
I understand Miami's incredibly explosive, but it just feels like
if you're gonna give up three hundred yards rushing after
being down big. There's got to be some white flag,
some quit in a team. But look, you played in
this league. You're a dynamic player in this league. How
does somebody give up seventy.
Speaker 5 (20:46):
Points Sean Sean Payton. Sean Payton is a great coach.
I don't want to knock anything out. I know him.
I don't want to knock anything he's done in his
career at Super Bowl, like I don't want to knock
anything in his career. I think by them, by him
getting seventy points from him, the team is showing him
that he's not compatible. Compatible, he's not working out down
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there as a whole.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
And I agree, I totally agree like that, That's what
it feels like to me.
Speaker 5 (21:13):
Okay, but you're Doug, Yeah, I'm just telling from the standpoint,
if you've got a close relationship with your coaches, there's
no way in hell you're gonna sit there and play
a game and let somebody put up seventy points on you.
I think that they're telling him, you know, directly or indirectly,
that they there's a bigger problem and it's with him
down there.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Okay, So I get I mean, like, look, they they
just went through several coaches in short order, and he's
got a big, big contract. I mean, doesn't that mean
that don't they usually get rid of players when it happens.
Now he's brought in a bunch of former Saints, right,
you bring in guys you work with before. But even
that hasn't helped. What do you do if you're if
you're the Broncos, I.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
Say, I said before the season started in the first
comment he made about Russell Wilson being you know this
poster boy or you know, stop kissing babies. When you
do that publicly to your quarterback, you're sending a message
to everybody. And I get it. He's old school. I
love old school coaches. I played for one of them
and Martin shan Homan, and it was nobody tougher to him.
(22:16):
The game has changed, man, These guys that they're not
built the same. You can't call them out and point
fingers in the media because they just they don't react
the same. Back when you know, back when we were playing,
you call the guy out, and he said, his attitude was,
I'm going to show you watch I'm going to Now
it's like you calling me out. It's on social media
it's in the press and guys started to tuck their tail.
(22:37):
It's not the same anymore. So I get it. I
love the old school coach mentality, but you can't do
that anymore. You know, coaches nowadays have to take the blame.
And if you want to dress guys, you got to
do it behind the scenes because there's too many So
there's too much social media. It's too much media out
here is looking for those sound bites. So if you
think that it wasn't some kind of correlation between them
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giving up set pointing him saying the things about Russell
Wilson and what's going on down there is there's no correlation,
no ties to that. People are sadly mistaken.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Sean Merriman joining us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio. All right, what about the Cowboys.
They lose the one of the most talented defensive players cornerback,
and sudden they lose to the Arizona Cardinals, who are
gigantic underdog. How do you how do you fix it
if you're the Cowboys?
Speaker 5 (23:24):
Well, the person for most of the Cowboys fans alone,
they won that they won the first game against the Giants,
they're going to the super Bowl, right, They're a fan
base will never change. They get a first down, they're
going to the Super Bowl. Their score points, they're going
to the super Bowl. They got to They got a
great team down there, and they're not going to go undefeated.
And so you can't get too high on the Cowboys
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and what they're capable of doing. They have one of
the nastiest defense with even with Diggs going down, they
still got Stefan gil One and they still got another
guy that's coming in there who can also plays not digs,
but he's he's quality, He's a quality player. Their defense
is nasty, but they're going to drop some games this year.
And until they get over that hump. I don't care
what the Cowboys do doing in the regular season. They
(24:06):
can go they can win fourteen fifteen games. I don't care.
If they don't get into the playoffs and they want
don't want to win deep in the playoffs, then the
whole season is a bust because you're playing Dak Prescott
down there. All this money, you got some high paid players.
Michael Parsons is coming up for the biggest contract in
NFL history ever, And I'm not talking about for the
defense side of the ball. I'm talking about ever, and
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so they're going to have some issues if they don't
get over that hump this year.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
You think he'll make more than quarterbacks.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
Oh yeah, yeah, I think he'll be. I think it'll be.
You know, he'll be up there in the top seven,
top ten. And I'm talking about what quarterbacks being paid.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Is he worth that?
Speaker 5 (24:43):
Absolutely, no question about it. And you know, I hate
to make the comparison because I hated to be compared
to another player when I played, and vice versa. He's
the closest thing that we've seen to Lawrence Taylor ever.
Ever in the history of the game. We haven't seen
any thing with that speed, power, explosion, what he can
do on the football field. He keeps that up, he'll
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have a sack record, he keeps that up. He's gonna
be I think he's up to break my two sack
game record coming up here shortly. But we've never seen.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Nothing like him. Lights out eleven. All right, it's October
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fights you most excited about?
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We got a ton of fight. Tommy Aaron is fighting
in this car. We got aj Hobskins, who played linebacker
for Oregon. He's his first amateur fight for us. He's
taken and we're gonna hear a lot about him. This
guy's the upbeast. But our main event man Moose to
Toliver and Album Morales, who you know had a short
stand the UFC. Complete bangers sparred trained with both of
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these guys, a lot of bad blood, but this was
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Speaker 1 (25:53):
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you're the best man. Thanks for joining Us'll talk soon.
Thank that Doug Gotlieb show rolls on here on Fox
Sports Radio. I'm telling you, that's That's what I thought
when I saw that the Broncos gave up seventy is
that the only explanation was those dudes quit. They won't
play for Sean. Maybe it's Vans, Joseph, I don't know,
(26:17):
but you don't give up that many rush yards like
Gus you just because the Dolphins were not trying to
run up the score. Yeah, John Rummos do you think.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
I mean, obviously you do a little bit, But I'm
just it's hard to believe that after two games that
they've stopped playing for their head coach. Don't you think
that's that's awfully short to just call it that they
just quit on there?
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Remember last year there was such dysfunction that I said,
it's really hard to get back the respect of those
guys when you know last year's head coach couldn't get
the plays in on in time. Right, they're grown men.
So do I think that after two games that's enough?
Speaker 5 (26:54):
No?
Speaker 1 (26:55):
But when you come in with the ego of Sean, like, look,
I like Sean. He's a friend and he always stops
by at the super Bowl last year we worked at Fox,
Like he's great. I don't, but I will tell you like,
he's a confident fella. And if something he said or done,
or if something Van Joseph said or done, and it
just gets them to like they don't believe, they don't
buy in, and then they start getting down and getting
(27:16):
yelled at and they feel like it's the scheme is
off or they are guys that'll quit.
Speaker 7 (27:23):
Yeah, it's funny because Vance Joseph will always trigger one thing,
Vance Joseph for me, until the day I die, is
going to be associated with the most wonderful broadcasting moment
in the history of sports. We all remember the Broncos
on Opening Night, sure, and Sergio Dip.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Here on the field from up close, just watching coach Vance.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
Joseph from here.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
You watch him now on the screen.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
This diversity in his background is helping him a lot
tonight quarterback of Colorado defense back in the NFL.
Speaker 7 (28:02):
And here he is having the time of his life.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Aldheimer, what is that guy doing? Now? What's Sergio dip
doing now?
Speaker 7 (28:11):
I think I think he's still international ESPN. Do you
know where he is?
Speaker 6 (28:16):
Isaac?
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Yeah, he changed his name to Isaac longkra.
Speaker 9 (28:19):
Looking that up.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Right now, Doug, Is that does that happen? I mean
he just I know what happened. But is that what
people do when you don't come out and do something correctly?
They just yank you and never put you anywhere near
something again? Like, was that egregious that? But they just
like put him into the witness protection program? Yeah, oh
my god, that's incredible to me. That's what shocking.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Actually, and where I felt for Sergio Dip at the
time was when I played basketball in Russia. I learned
to speak Russian and we won the championship. And after
our victory parade, I like thought of two cents in
my mind to say. And the first one again, I
didn't have my translator with me. Like she was hammered.
(29:02):
She was drunk, right, so she like no showed at
the celebration. So they like the past the microphone around,
they like passed to me, and I should have said,
like I love you guys, thank you or something, but
I forget what the two sentences. But the first sentence
made complete sense. The second sentence, I think my semantics
were off and people are like, so, I mean, like, look,
(29:25):
you're not a native English speaker. Now you're on live
TV on a huge broadcast, and the words don't translate
the way that you'd like. And yeah, I mean one thing,
I felt bad for the poor guy. On the other hand,
it's like, look, dude, this is your work. Is your work,
and that was bad.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
By the way, this is very intriguing to me. What
is a championship sports parade like in Russia. I'm picturing
a sports equivalent of a military parade in Red Square.
What's a championship parade like in Russia.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Well, it was in perm Rush. Perm is actually the
second largest city in Russia. It's on the base of
the rural mountains. We landed, we played the we the
team we played in the finals was in Kazan, which
is a different region of Russia, closer to Moscow. I
don't know. It's like a like a two hour flight away. Anyway,
(30:19):
So we won and when we landed, all the there's
a huge parking lot full of you know, fans, and
they had instead of like having kegs, they had gigantic
vodka bottles with like you know, the things they have
when you wash your hands, when you push down and
like it sprays out a little bit, you know, I
(30:39):
don't know what the term for that is, like a dispenser. Yeah,
they had like a shot dispenser like that, so you
put you're supposed to put like a shot glass underneath it,
but instead people are putting their mouths underneath this dispenser
and they pump out a shot to a vodka. So
we got off and everybody on the team was took
a couple of shots of vodka and then you know,
(31:01):
they have you you have a driver when you're there.
It sounds better than it is. The reason they have
a driver is because I mean, frankly, what they would
do is if they knew you were an American, they
are you know, you had a nice or if you
had a nice car, people would intentionally run into you
cause an accident, shake you down the money. Oh boy,
So so I had a driver, so yeah, oh yeah,
(31:23):
so I so my driver a leg. I get in
the car and our legs like we go, we go
victory and I was like no, I'll like, I want
to go home and I'm tired. So we go and
we there's like you know, it's like a caravan of cars.
We drive all around the city and everybody beeping their
horns and I think we made one stop at the
(31:44):
team was owned by a guy who was basically mafia,
but they on a restaurant and let you know, there's
no allegations there, right, there's there's I mean, he was
definitely mafia and everybody had a shot there. And then
I was like I'm out. So I got home at
like four thirty, and then we met for the victory
parade I don't know, like noon the next day, and
we got on the back of a couple of flatbeds,
(32:05):
and I first tried to speaker, you know, and we're
driving around. They're going champions and US see and you know,
we sold out our arena for seven thousand, but it
was still fairly niche, you know, like there were lots
of people that had no no idea who we were.
And there's horns and those kazoos or those vuvuzela's, right,
remember the World Cup people had those. So basically we
(32:26):
drove around the whole town on these two flatbeds and
then they rolled into arena and then you know, it
was full. Every seat was full. They had a victory
video and confetti and more alcohol, and then I was owed.
I had I had a championship bonus to get and
I think at the end I was owed like twenty
(32:47):
five thousand in cash, like a fifty thousand dollars bonus,
but I was owed like they had wired twenty five
supposedly they had. They're supposed to have twenty five in cash.
So I go to see that. The president of the
team and all of it is like old Soviet relics.
So you know, remember in Rocky four, how they had
the communist leaders were up the top of the arena,
(33:09):
and they spent like that's where your owner sits because
it's the same arena, only now it's not communists now
it's mafia owned. So you go in like behind there
is like the office in the office and they have
like an armed guard. And the guy was really nice,
like you stay until Monday. I was like, no, I
gotta go. I'm in the Lakers summer League. I gotta go, dude,
I can't. No, you must stay to celebrate. So he
(33:30):
gave me eighteen thousand dollars in cash and he's like,
I'll wire you the other seven and everyone I know
is like, do not leave without your money. You leave
without your money, you'll never get your money. And I
was like, i gotta go because it was Olympic years.
So it started lates like June twenty sixth I'm like,
I'm out, so stuffed the money in my boots and
parts of my other parts of my undergarments cause they
(33:53):
ask you when you get to Moscow for taxes for
any cash you have when you leave the country. And
then sure enough they did wire me my money. But yeah,
that was the victory celebration.
Speaker 9 (34:01):
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Speaker 3 (34:10):
App theyfield under center.
Speaker 8 (34:15):
They feel Turns gives it inside and there's not going
to be a safety for shore. Why but stuck for
for safety? You that happened day host and Carter. It's
almost like blood in the water. These guys can fill it.
They know if they are able to knock the bucks
back off the football, that they're going to get a safety.
Speaker 9 (34:37):
Broadcasting live from the studios of Fox Sports Radio, here's
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Speaker 1 (34:47):
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(35:10):
by Nicholas Morrow, essentially sealing the deal against Baker Mayfield.
Let's get to the press. The press IS's a glowing
carl what you get?
Speaker 4 (35:22):
But all right, Doug Aaron Rodgers on the Pat McAfee
Show with some candid comments about the Jets, who have
dropped their last two.
Speaker 11 (35:29):
We need to understand this is part of it. It's
not always going to be pretty. The most important thing
is winning shot. What happened in Green Bay. They were
down seventeen nothing and came back and won that game.
An ugly game, eighteen seventeen doesn't matter. It's like you
win the game, that's the most important thing or whatever.
You got to get it done. So you know, there's
been I think too many little side conversations, and we
just need to grow up a little bit on offense
and lock in and do our jobs everybody, and not
(35:52):
point fingers at each other. And that's everybody, you know.
We don't point fingers at the coaching staff, don't point
fingers at each other. Just get back to work and
get the job done.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Matt sounds good. I just I don't know how they
do it with Zach Wilson quarterback. I just don't. It's
just and their offensive line is just atrocious.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
Final item, running out of time here. A couple of
weeks ago, New Mexico and New Mexico, New Mexico and
New Mexico State are huge arch rivals.
Speaker 9 (36:16):
A coupsle.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
A couple of weeks ago, New Mexico State won the
game at New Mexico. Now a local TV station in
Albuquerque obtained video it says shows New Mexico State starting
quarterback Diego Pavilla inside of New Mexico's indoor practice facility
urinating on the Lobos logo at midfield. A New Mexico's
(36:37):
spokesperson says they're aware of it. Out of Newton notified
New Mexico State Diego Pavilla. Apparently New Mexico State's MBP, I.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
See what you did there, and that's the press.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
May get out there in press.
Speaker 9 (36:50):
That was the press.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Remember there was the basketball game was called off because
there was a murder going dating back to a beef
within that rivalry and football last year. All right, check
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their coaches didn't adjust or they just making stuff up.
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Patriots living rent free in some former Steelers heads. We'll
get to that upcoming. Should point out that we had
to at least fairly competitive Monday night football games. Bengals
game obviously a lot more competitive, is decided by three points.
(01:06):
Rams had a touchdown, It was six all Ramos. Did
you think that the Bengals got that time out on
time when the Rams scored what would have been a
go ahead touchdown and put them up thirteen to six.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Well, I'm gonna be honest with you right now about that.
And here's the honest point. I was waiting for the
RAMS game to start on ABC seven here locally in
Los Angeles, and guess what they were showing me? The
Philadelphia Eagles Tampa Bay Buccaneers game. The RAMS game was
on the main ESPN. I don't have ESPN. I could
(01:40):
not watch the game locally in Los Angeles. I have
never seen that before. I've never seen the local team
pushed off and the other game put on the main channel.
Maybe they thought that that game was much more because
it was Philadelphia. I don't know if you have an
answer for this, but I was quite shocked that I
couldn't see the game here locally in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
I honestly, I'm gonna be once you. I don't remember
which wasn't that the way it was nationally? Guys? I mean,
did anybody else?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
I So you're saying all of the nations saw the
Philadelphia telt.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
They made I don't think they made an adjustment based upon.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Local Okay, Well, if that was the case, then I
did not get to see the game because I don't
have ESPN.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
You don't have ESPN. No, you have Chord Cutter.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
We did that, yes, but I do have ESPN Plus.
But I guess they don't give you ESPN the main one.
If you have ESPN.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Plus, yeah they do.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
They do don't because I tried to watch it and
I kept saying, what is your provider? And I said,
my provider is the money I give you for ESPN Plus.
So I don't know what the deal is there, but yeah, we.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Need a ruling from Isaac Loncron noted Chord Cutter extraordinary
that he's actually off the grid. His Social Security number
is zero zero zero zero zero zero zero zero. Ilo,
Can I get a ruling here on ESPN? Can you
get ESPN on ESPN Plus?
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Ramos is absolutely right, you have to have it through
your TV provider in order to sign up via ESPN Plus,
which I discovered in the same outraged fashion. I think
it was either last year or a couple of years ago.
The bigger question, though, I was shocked loocked. I was
(03:28):
shocked at Rams Bengals was not the ABC game because that, nationally,
I think is the better and more prominent matchup.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
But that's just me that that obviously means they're so
just so we're aware of how it actually works. And Elough,
I know you know this, and Ramos does this. I'm
talking more to people listening to the show. Okay, there
are people who are programming experts at every network, and
I don't know how the calculation is done, but they
(03:59):
have to come up with who plays on what network
at what time in order to get the greatest ratings.
It doesn't mean it always works, but more often than not. Yeah,
they know there's there is a calculus that goes with it.
So they had to have calculated that. Did the ABC
games start earlier? The ESPN game start earlier?
Speaker 2 (04:19):
The ABC games started earlier because when their game ended,
the RAMS game was still going on.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Right, So that's part of it, right, Okay, you have
you have the Eagles who are East coast Eastern time zone.
You have Tampa East coast Eastern time zone, and I
would guess that the Eagles, who are NFC champions, I
would guess that they're a bigger draw. That's that's it's
the It's what you're getting is the reason is people
don't care about the Rams and Bengals as much as
(04:46):
they care about the Eagles, not really the Tampay Buckers
and on. Honestly, Baker make will make people watch TV
a little bit, but that there's a there's a calculation
to it, and that must be what the calculation is.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Yeah, So to answer your question, I didn't see the
players talking about because I didn't get to see the game.
I just saw it up in the corner of the Eagles.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Tampa Bay just had that like right up in the corner.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
They had the score going on, and I had no
idea what was happening. So, yeah, sucked for me, but
I guess not for the rest of the country.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
I guess I don't know if it was great for
the rest of the country. It was a better game. Well,
you missed in the If you watch the Eagles game,
you know Jalen Hurts was okay through two picks, one touchdown,
not moving as well either. Here here's jealing after the game.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
You know, you get you got three wins down, and
so we're gonna we're gonna get to you to build
off of that. We're gonna continue to build as a team,
hold each other accountable, grow, grow, grow and learn.
Speaker 6 (05:40):
You know, that's the name of the game.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
So he says all of the right things. He says
all of the right things, and I think he does
all of the right things. But I I gotta say that,
how how does one go from being a I don't
know if he's a long term starting quarterback too, franchise quarterback, MVP,
(06:07):
potential face of the league in one year. And so
we could say this is classic regressing towards the meme.
And I'm not saying he's bad. He's staying to replace him,
but the old light way, he's under the weather like okay,
he's out of the weather. He's playing, and for the
third straight game he's been okay. He doesn't look as
(06:30):
explosive running, although he's always been kind of a smart runner.
Not keep in mind they have a new offensive coordinator
and he's had more He was super efficient with throwing
the football, and that has him in the case for
league now. The great thing is, as I point out,
they're probably gonna be I think it was like eight
and one, you know, going into the bye week, because
they're that good and he's gonna play better. But the
(06:52):
answer isn't he What is Jalen Hurts is who he
was two years ago? But the answer is also not
he is who he was last year. I think this
is somewhere settling in between, which is classic regressing towards
the me the mean, right not the mode is the mode,
the very simple and very middle.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
I lough.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
This feels like a question for you, oh.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
Ask I loo the nerdy question when I just want
to be a sex symbol. By the way, did you
notice that incredibly awkward silence there the one second or
so after you responded.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
I did, and it would have been a longer silence
and stop of the fact that you you instead of
letting it breathe, you choked it. I choked it.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Okay, So the mode my first guest was when you
have apple pie with vanilla ice cream on it. But yeah, okay,
So technically it's the number in a group of numbers
that appears the most often. So the mean is the average,
The median is like the number that well, I don't
(08:04):
really know.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
The media is right in the middle. Yeah, the mode
is the number that that appears the most most often.
Yeah huh. This is actually a really interesting discussion, a right, Jaytew,
So you understand what mean mode, and.
Speaker 7 (08:19):
So I mean regressing towards the mean is regressing towards
the average party, and regressing towards the median would be
the very middle.
Speaker 6 (08:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
So if if here's the thing, if he was a
I don't know, two years ago one through ten, he
was a six at quarterback. Last year he was at
ten at quarterback. If you're regressing to the mean, he's
an eight at quarterback, right, the average between the two.
(08:51):
If you're regressing towards the mode, again, that also would
be eight. But if it was regressing towards them, what
was the other one? No, the is the no. The
mode is the number most so, so some games he's
so far this year, he's probably been a five or
six for all three games. That would be the mode,
whereas the median is eight, which is the same as
(09:13):
the mean. Right, Yes, yes, am I making sense?
Speaker 8 (09:19):
Just too?
Speaker 7 (09:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (09:20):
But I feel like I need a whiteboard and some
sort of drafting.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
I really got.
Speaker 7 (09:26):
We need to draw attention to one of our listeners, Ralph.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
There's actually two listeners another one too.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
We only have two so.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
On this subject, deg not in general.
Speaker 7 (09:38):
Ralph's goods brings this up because we just talked about
the sad aspect that John couldn't watch his home team
because he doesn't have cable or streaming or direct TV.
The Rams and Bengals game was aired on Channel thirteen KP.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
What in La. Yes, they did a bad promotion.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
It makes even less sense, but yeah, thanks TV stations
for promoting it so well.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
I didn't see it. If they did, I had no
knowledge that they had moved it.
Speaker 7 (10:06):
You could have caught the game and Lauren Sanchez.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
So I was yesterday as you I think you guys
know yesterday was jung Ki poor, right, So it was
the day of atonement. I did work and I did
play golf, but I hadn't eaten all day. And so
I'm I'm actually in Oklahoma. For people don't know, I'm
in Oklahoma, and I'm telling you. And I went to
Oklahoma State's first basketball practice. And when that I got
(10:32):
out and the sun was down and there was food.
I was like, I'm so hungry, so hungry. And I
got to where like I had been planning out my day, like, man,
I want to watch both these games, and I was
going to watch them in their locker room because they
had these two gigantic big screens and surround sound. I
was gonna watch them both at once, and I actually
kind of lost my mind eating like I was so
(10:52):
I was in a food coma and it wasn't like
I was eating Thanksgiving dinner, but I literally lost my mind,
like I needed like fifteen minutes of this gather miss
like what should I be doing right now? There's something
I'm supposed to be Like, Oh, yeah, I watched the game,
So I actually missed a good portion of the games
going to get something to eat and then eating and
then like taking fifteen minutes to just be in a
food coma and pat my belly because I had an
emailed that that was a real thing. But then I
(11:16):
watched and I was just like, yeah, I just I've
seen some of these flaws with Jalen Hurts, and he's
much better than anyone could have thought. But this is
one of those deals where we do get caught up
a little bit in the story and not actually the substance.
The story was, here's a guy who no one expected
to be draft in the second round, projected as a
(11:38):
third or fourth rounder. It goes in the second round,
ends up winning the job, hopefully so, and the first
year he's EH game manager, and then last year he explodes,
and I was like, yeah, it's just no way you
go from who he was always until and you know, like, look,
Gino Smith wasn't as good last year as Jalen Hurts
(12:01):
was last year, and we have more doubta to tell
you that Gino Smith is more of what he's been
this year, even though he's at his best. But you
don't just go from being an average guy to being
a superstar like in one year. That's not generally, that's
not usually sustainable. So that's what I think is going
on there.
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Speaker 5 (12:48):
So.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Ben Roethlisberger has a podcast called Footballing. He was on
with Jerome Bettis. Jerome Bettis had this to say about
how the Patriots cheated in their opinion.
Speaker 6 (12:58):
To be fair, want.
Speaker 10 (13:02):
They're not even a question mark. They're not even a
question in my mind. It was fourth and one. It
was fourth and one. They called time out. First of all,
coach did this back in the day. This meant counter
They saw this. Coach called it office line. Coach did
(13:22):
that on the sideline. They called time out. Who normally
goes to the sideline on time out? The defensive captains right.
They told the noseguard, Washington, They pulled him to the sideline,
big four hundred pounds guy.
Speaker 6 (13:37):
He don't want to go to the sideline and come
out the way back? What he want to go to
the sideline for?
Speaker 10 (13:42):
They yelling and made him go side, And I always
thought that what what are you going to say?
Speaker 6 (13:47):
He would always the sideline came back.
Speaker 10 (13:49):
Then we ran to play. He loops into the hole?
Washington does? They stopped us on fourth down. Right, that's
a critical play in the game. They had our signs
and they called a timeout.
Speaker 6 (14:08):
To get them ready for that play because they knew
it was coming. No question.
Speaker 10 (14:13):
In my mind, I remember vividly because out thought, why
is this big due, Why this big dude going to
the sideline.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Yeah, except he wasn't actually on the team that year.
Wasn't on the team that year. And here's always been
my thing about signs and signstealing, especially in the NFL.
There's a reason that you have multiple guys giving signs
college football, they got three or four quarterbacks there, plus
they're holding up signs, some of ver decoys, some of
(14:44):
them a real There's a reason that they do it
that way because they know you're looking. And oh yeah,
by the way, if you go into a timeout, call
a timeout, you have it, you can make a choice.
You can change the play or keep the play. So,
I mean, I know Jerome Bettis personally, I really like him.
(15:06):
I understand this narrative of the Patriots were cheaters, but
studying tape knowing your signs is not cheating. It's not
That's not what the Astros did, and that's not what
spygate has accused them of. J Jay Stu. Nutgate, that's
(15:28):
what you want to call it, right.
Speaker 7 (15:29):
Yeah, I'm hoping to get that thing going hashtag nutgate.
Anything that involves the Patriots and controversy is a gate.
And then the nut speaks for itself. Nutgate.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Would you see anything in that video.
Speaker 7 (15:42):
No, it's a zapruder film like in twenty twenty three.
Why is there a blurry film in twenty.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Twenty to the left back and to the left.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Exactly what is going back into the left?
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Actually they are kind of going back into the left.
Been someone you left? Is isla? Could you see if
Mac Jones hit him in the unmentionable?
Speaker 4 (16:04):
I try, but it is it is blurry. I went
back to frame three thirteen of that one too, and
it was it was too blurry to tell.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
I'm afraid I couldn't tell. I couldn't tell. And and
part of it is like Mac Jones got rag doll
and throw it onto his head. He gets up and
I'm probably taking a little ring your chime shot at
somebody anyway, But you couldn't tell, couldn't tell. Sean Merriman
(16:32):
joins this Chargers great all former All Pro linebacker, founder
of the lights Out Extreme Fighting lights Out eleven is
coming up on October seventh in Long Beach. It streams
live on Fubo. For tickets, go to lights Out fx
dot com. Sean, thanks so much for taking time with us.
Let's start with the Chargers. Your thoughts and them going
(16:53):
forth fourth and one their own twenty four yard line
under two minutes to go.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
You know, you know, Doug, to be quite honest, it's
one of those high risks high reward, right, Like, if
you go for it and you get it, everybody applaud
you and and pat you in the back of being gutsy.
If you don't make it, you're the stupidest coach in
the world. And I think that that that's what the
you know, the risk reward is. I don't I don't
know if I would have gone for it, But I
(17:18):
also think that, you know, with Justin Jefferson and that
offense to what they were moving the ball, you almost
had to. And so I was I was fifty fifty
on that. But I could have questioned some of the
ones that have passed before, but I definitely was fifty
fifty on whether you should have gone for that one
or not.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
It's crazy, absolutely absolutely crazy. How do you think let
Mike Waite lose you Mike williamshould hear affects him?
Speaker 5 (17:39):
It hurts, It hurts bad. And you know, more importantly, man,
you know, you know you're gonna have some injuries on
the season, right You're going to miss a couple of
guys here that when you get somebody that go out
with the season like Mike Williams, you're like the dynamic
changes of your offense, like what you're capable of doing
nothing against the young fellow that's gonna come in. Quinn,
Johnson and Palmer the step enough. They got their deep
(18:01):
and wide receivers, they got plenty of talents. But Mike Williams, man,
he one of these guys that you know, if you
throw the ball up, he's going to get it. He's
the best, you know, position wide receiver and jump on
wide receiver there is in the NFL. And that's that's
definitely gonna hurt him a little bit.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Sean Merriman joined us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio. I'm sure you watched some last night.
I'm wondering Jalen Hurts hasn't played as well as he
had last year when he was, you know, one of
the elite players in the NFL. They're still winning, their
defense is dynamic, run game is still really good. Swift
is kind of taking them to a new level. Why
(18:38):
do you think Jalen's not playing as well?
Speaker 5 (18:41):
I just look. Their coach came out after the game.
It said that they're not playing their best football and
no one is. And I'm gonna kind of break that
down for you, Like you don't get a ton of
reps in a preseason, right, you just don't. And so
when by the time you get to the first game,
teams are now new offensive coordinators, defense court especially them, right,
they lost both sides of the coordination. Is they got
new players, new coaches there, they won't be in four
(19:04):
stride to about game five, game six. And people also forget,
when you win the game in the NFL, it's a win, right,
I don't care how ugly it is. It was not pretty.
You win, and that's that's the goal. Why you're struggling.
If you win, you think the Chargers wouldn't take that
thirty six or thirty four loss against the Dolphins, while
if it was the other way around, you're saying that, oh,
(19:25):
we you know, we we barely want to No. No,
you win the game also too, man, we're holding the
we're holding the Philadelphia Eagles to such a high standard.
Now at this point, they can't just win football games.
They got to destroy people because of what we've seen
them do last year?
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Is that fixed? And like, how hard is it to
get it back to get to that magic level when
you were three games in they're still not playing playing
at that level.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
Well, people are saying when you lose your coordinators like that,
I don't care how great Jalen Carter that that dude is.
He's on another level and I want to make the
comparison to Aaron Donald. Nothing like that yet his way
too early in his career. But if he keeps going
like that, he's going to be mentioned up there with
a Aaron Donald. When you lose your coordinators, I don't
care what kind of players you have, This a whole
(20:09):
new system. Guys are not playing fast. They're out there
thinking and trying to remember things that they're out of
their comfort zone and what they know best. So it's
going to be a little slower starting out this season.
That's why I said by game five, game six, we're
going to see what type of team they really are.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
How does a team give up seventy points? And look,
I understand Miami's incredibly explosive, but it just feels like
if you're gonna give up three hundred yards rushing after
being down big. There's got to be some white flag,
some quit in a team. But look, you played in
this league. You're a dynamic player in this league. How
does somebody give up seventy.
Speaker 5 (20:46):
Points Sean Sean Payton. Sean Payton is a great coach.
I don't want to knock anything out. I know him.
I don't want to knock anything he's done in his
career at Super Bowl, like I don't want to knock
anything in his career. I think by them, by him
getting seventy points from him, the team is showing him
that he's not compatible. Compatible, he's not working out down
(21:07):
there as a whole.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
And I agree, I totally agree like that, That's what
it feels like to me.
Speaker 5 (21:13):
Okay, but you're Doug, Yeah, I'm just telling from the standpoint,
if you've got a close relationship with your coaches, there's
no way in hell you're gonna sit there and play
a game and let somebody put up seventy points on you.
I think that they're telling him, you know, directly or indirectly,
that they there's a bigger problem and it's with him
down there.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Okay, So I get I mean, like, look, they they
just went through several coaches in short order, and he's
got a big, big contract. I mean, doesn't that mean
that don't they usually get rid of players when it happens.
Now he's brought in a bunch of former Saints, right,
you bring in guys you work with before. But even
that hasn't helped. What do you do if you're if
you're the Broncos, I.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
Say, I said before the season started in the first
comment he made about Russell Wilson being you know this
poster boy or you know, stop kissing babies. When you
do that publicly to your quarterback, you're sending a message
to everybody. And I get it. He's old school. I
love old school coaches. I played for one of them
and Martin shan Homan, and it was nobody tougher to him.
(22:16):
The game has changed, man, These guys that they're not
built the same. You can't call them out and point
fingers in the media because they just they don't react
the same. Back when you know, back when we were playing,
you call the guy out, and he said, his attitude was,
I'm going to show you watch I'm going to Now
it's like you calling me out. It's on social media
it's in the press and guys started to tuck their tail.
(22:37):
It's not the same anymore. So I get it. I
love the old school coach mentality, but you can't do
that anymore. You know, coaches nowadays have to take the blame.
And if you want to dress guys, you got to
do it behind the scenes because there's too many So
there's too much social media. It's too much media out
here is looking for those sound bites. So if you
think that it wasn't some kind of correlation between them
(22:59):
giving up set pointing him saying the things about Russell
Wilson and what's going on down there is there's no correlation,
no ties to that. People are sadly mistaken.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Sean Merriman joining us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio. All right, what about the Cowboys.
They lose the one of the most talented defensive players cornerback,
and sudden they lose to the Arizona Cardinals, who are
gigantic underdog. How do you how do you fix it
if you're the Cowboys?
Speaker 5 (23:24):
Well, the person for most of the Cowboys fans alone,
they won that they won the first game against the Giants,
they're going to the super Bowl, right, They're a fan
base will never change. They get a first down, they're
going to the Super Bowl. Their score points, they're going
to the super Bowl. They got to They got a
great team down there, and they're not going to go undefeated.
And so you can't get too high on the Cowboys
(23:45):
and what they're capable of doing. They have one of
the nastiest defense with even with Diggs going down, they
still got Stefan gil One and they still got another
guy that's coming in there who can also plays not digs,
but he's he's quality, He's a quality player. Their defense
is nasty, but they're going to drop some games this year.
And until they get over that hump. I don't care
what the Cowboys do doing in the regular season. They
(24:06):
can go they can win fourteen fifteen games. I don't care.
If they don't get into the playoffs and they want
don't want to win deep in the playoffs, then the
whole season is a bust because you're playing Dak Prescott
down there. All this money, you got some high paid players.
Michael Parsons is coming up for the biggest contract in
NFL history ever, And I'm not talking about for the
defense side of the ball. I'm talking about ever, and
(24:27):
so they're going to have some issues if they don't
get over that hump this year.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
You think he'll make more than quarterbacks.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
Oh yeah, yeah, I think he'll be. I think it'll be.
You know, he'll be up there in the top seven,
top ten. And I'm talking about what quarterbacks being paid.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Is he worth that?
Speaker 5 (24:43):
Absolutely, no question about it. And you know, I hate
to make the comparison because I hated to be compared
to another player when I played, and vice versa. He's
the closest thing that we've seen to Lawrence Taylor ever.
Ever in the history of the game. We haven't seen
any thing with that speed, power, explosion, what he can
do on the football field. He keeps that up, he'll
(25:05):
have a sack record, he keeps that up. He's gonna
be I think he's up to break my two sack
game record coming up here shortly. But we've never seen.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Nothing like him. Lights out eleven. All right, it's October
seventh in Long Beach. It's on Fubo. Which of those
fights you most excited about?
Speaker 5 (25:24):
We got a ton of fight. Tommy Aaron is fighting
in this car. We got aj Hobskins, who played linebacker
for Oregon. He's his first amateur fight for us. He's
taken and we're gonna hear a lot about him. This
guy's the upbeast. But our main event man Moose to
Toliver and Album Morales, who you know had a short
stand the UFC. Complete bangers sparred trained with both of
(25:45):
these guys, a lot of bad blood, but this was
gonna be huge. Like you said, Man, lights out except
dot Com will be in Long Beach, October seventh, Live
one Football Sports to World TV.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
All right, that's LightsOut FX dot com. Lights OUTFX dot Com. Shawne,
you're the best man. Thanks for joining Us'll talk soon.
Thank that Doug Gotlieb show rolls on here on Fox
Sports Radio. I'm telling you, that's That's what I thought
when I saw that the Broncos gave up seventy is
that the only explanation was those dudes quit. They won't
play for Sean. Maybe it's Vans, Joseph, I don't know,
(26:17):
but you don't give up that many rush yards like
Gus you just because the Dolphins were not trying to
run up the score. Yeah, John Rummos do you think.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
I mean, obviously you do a little bit, But I'm
just it's hard to believe that after two games that
they've stopped playing for their head coach. Don't you think
that's that's awfully short to just call it that they
just quit on there?
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Remember last year there was such dysfunction that I said,
it's really hard to get back the respect of those
guys when you know last year's head coach couldn't get
the plays in on in time. Right, they're grown men.
So do I think that after two games that's enough?
Speaker 5 (26:54):
No?
Speaker 1 (26:55):
But when you come in with the ego of Sean, like, look,
I like Sean. He's a friend and he always stops
by at the super Bowl last year we worked at Fox,
Like he's great. I don't, but I will tell you like,
he's a confident fella. And if something he said or done,
or if something Van Joseph said or done, and it
just gets them to like they don't believe, they don't
buy in, and then they start getting down and getting
(27:16):
yelled at and they feel like it's the scheme is
off or they are guys that'll quit.
Speaker 7 (27:23):
Yeah, it's funny because Vance Joseph will always trigger one thing,
Vance Joseph for me, until the day I die, is
going to be associated with the most wonderful broadcasting moment
in the history of sports. We all remember the Broncos
on Opening Night, sure, and Sergio Dip.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Here on the field from up close, just watching coach Vance.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
Joseph from here.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
You watch him now on the screen.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
This diversity in his background is helping him a lot
tonight quarterback of Colorado defense back in the NFL.
Speaker 7 (28:02):
And here he is having the time of his life.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Aldheimer, what is that guy doing? Now? What's Sergio dip
doing now?
Speaker 7 (28:11):
I think I think he's still international ESPN. Do you
know where he is?
Speaker 6 (28:16):
Isaac?
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Yeah, he changed his name to Isaac longkra.
Speaker 9 (28:19):
Looking that up.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Right now, Doug, Is that does that happen? I mean
he just I know what happened. But is that what
people do when you don't come out and do something correctly?
They just yank you and never put you anywhere near
something again? Like, was that egregious that? But they just
like put him into the witness protection program? Yeah, oh
my god, that's incredible to me. That's what shocking.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Actually, and where I felt for Sergio Dip at the
time was when I played basketball in Russia. I learned
to speak Russian and we won the championship. And after
our victory parade, I like thought of two cents in
my mind to say. And the first one again, I
didn't have my translator with me. Like she was hammered.
(29:02):
She was drunk, right, so she like no showed at
the celebration. So they like the past the microphone around,
they like passed to me, and I should have said,
like I love you guys, thank you or something, but
I forget what the two sentences. But the first sentence
made complete sense. The second sentence, I think my semantics
were off and people are like, so, I mean, like, look,
(29:25):
you're not a native English speaker. Now you're on live
TV on a huge broadcast, and the words don't translate
the way that you'd like. And yeah, I mean one thing,
I felt bad for the poor guy. On the other hand,
it's like, look, dude, this is your work. Is your work,
and that was bad.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
By the way, this is very intriguing to me. What
is a championship sports parade like in Russia. I'm picturing
a sports equivalent of a military parade in Red Square.
What's a championship parade like in Russia.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Well, it was in perm Rush. Perm is actually the
second largest city in Russia. It's on the base of
the rural mountains. We landed, we played the we the
team we played in the finals was in Kazan, which
is a different region of Russia, closer to Moscow. I
don't know. It's like a like a two hour flight away. Anyway,
(30:19):
So we won and when we landed, all the there's
a huge parking lot full of you know, fans, and
they had instead of like having kegs, they had gigantic
vodka bottles with like you know, the things they have
when you wash your hands, when you push down and
like it sprays out a little bit, you know, I
(30:39):
don't know what the term for that is, like a dispenser. Yeah,
they had like a shot dispenser like that, so you
put you're supposed to put like a shot glass underneath it,
but instead people are putting their mouths underneath this dispenser
and they pump out a shot to a vodka. So
we got off and everybody on the team was took
a couple of shots of vodka and then you know,
(31:01):
they have you you have a driver when you're there.
It sounds better than it is. The reason they have
a driver is because I mean, frankly, what they would
do is if they knew you were an American, they
are you know, you had a nice or if you
had a nice car, people would intentionally run into you
cause an accident, shake you down the money. Oh boy,
So so I had a driver, so yeah, oh yeah,
(31:23):
so I so my driver a leg. I get in
the car and our legs like we go, we go
victory and I was like no, I'll like, I want
to go home and I'm tired. So we go and
we there's like you know, it's like a caravan of cars.
We drive all around the city and everybody beeping their
horns and I think we made one stop at the
(31:44):
team was owned by a guy who was basically mafia,
but they on a restaurant and let you know, there's
no allegations there, right, there's there's I mean, he was
definitely mafia and everybody had a shot there. And then
I was like I'm out. So I got home at
like four thirty, and then we met for the victory
parade I don't know, like noon the next day, and
we got on the back of a couple of flatbeds,
(32:05):
and I first tried to speaker, you know, and we're
driving around. They're going champions and US see and you know,
we sold out our arena for seven thousand, but it
was still fairly niche, you know, like there were lots
of people that had no no idea who we were.
And there's horns and those kazoos or those vuvuzela's, right,
remember the World Cup people had those. So basically we
(32:26):
drove around the whole town on these two flatbeds and
then they rolled into arena and then you know, it
was full. Every seat was full. They had a victory
video and confetti and more alcohol, and then I was owed.
I had I had a championship bonus to get and
I think at the end I was owed like twenty
(32:47):
five thousand in cash, like a fifty thousand dollars bonus,
but I was owed like they had wired twenty five
supposedly they had. They're supposed to have twenty five in cash.
So I go to see that. The president of the
team and all of it is like old Soviet relics.
So you know, remember in Rocky four, how they had
the communist leaders were up the top of the arena,
(33:09):
and they spent like that's where your owner sits because
it's the same arena, only now it's not communists now
it's mafia owned. So you go in like behind there
is like the office in the office and they have
like an armed guard. And the guy was really nice,
like you stay until Monday. I was like, no, I
gotta go. I'm in the Lakers summer League. I gotta go, dude,
I can't. No, you must stay to celebrate. So he
(33:30):
gave me eighteen thousand dollars in cash and he's like,
I'll wire you the other seven and everyone I know
is like, do not leave without your money. You leave
without your money, you'll never get your money. And I
was like, i gotta go because it was Olympic years.
So it started lates like June twenty sixth I'm like,
I'm out, so stuffed the money in my boots and
parts of my other parts of my undergarments cause they
(33:53):
ask you when you get to Moscow for taxes for
any cash you have when you leave the country. And
then sure enough they did wire me my money. But yeah,
that was the victory celebration.
Speaker 9 (34:01):
Be sure to catch the live edition of the Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on
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Speaker 3 (34:10):
App theyfield under center.
Speaker 8 (34:15):
They feel Turns gives it inside and there's not going
to be a safety for shore. Why but stuck for
for safety? You that happened day host and Carter. It's
almost like blood in the water. These guys can fill it.
They know if they are able to knock the bucks
back off the football, that they're going to get a safety.
Speaker 9 (34:37):
Broadcasting live from the studios of Fox Sports Radio, here's
Doug Gottlieb.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
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(35:10):
by Nicholas Morrow, essentially sealing the deal against Baker Mayfield.
Let's get to the press. The press IS's a glowing
carl what you get?
Speaker 4 (35:22):
But all right, Doug Aaron Rodgers on the Pat McAfee
Show with some candid comments about the Jets, who have
dropped their last two.
Speaker 11 (35:29):
We need to understand this is part of it. It's
not always going to be pretty. The most important thing
is winning shot. What happened in Green Bay. They were
down seventeen nothing and came back and won that game.
An ugly game, eighteen seventeen doesn't matter. It's like you
win the game, that's the most important thing or whatever.
You got to get it done. So you know, there's
been I think too many little side conversations, and we
just need to grow up a little bit on offense
and lock in and do our jobs everybody, and not
(35:52):
point fingers at each other. And that's everybody, you know.
We don't point fingers at the coaching staff, don't point
fingers at each other. Just get back to work and
get the job done.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Matt sounds good. I just I don't know how they
do it with Zach Wilson quarterback. I just don't. It's
just and their offensive line is just atrocious.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
Final item, running out of time here. A couple of
weeks ago, New Mexico and New Mexico, New Mexico and
New Mexico State are huge arch rivals.
Speaker 9 (36:16):
A coupsle.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
A couple of weeks ago, New Mexico State won the
game at New Mexico. Now a local TV station in
Albuquerque obtained video it says shows New Mexico State starting
quarterback Diego Pavilla inside of New Mexico's indoor practice facility
urinating on the Lobos logo at midfield. A New Mexico's
(36:37):
spokesperson says they're aware of it. Out of Newton notified
New Mexico State Diego Pavilla. Apparently New Mexico State's MBP, I.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
See what you did there, and that's the press.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
May get out there in press.
Speaker 9 (36:50):
That was the press.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Remember there was the basketball game was called off because
there was a murder going dating back to a beef
within that rivalry and football last year. All right, check
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