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Speaker 3 (00:18):
Trust is incredibly difficult to get, it's incredibly easy to lose,
and it makes transparency more and more important, especially when
we talk about difficult issues around gambling and sports, and
we have to remember through all of this there are
different layers and benefit of the doubt is something that

(00:40):
maybe Major League Baseball doesn't deserve, but last time I checked,
the Department of Justice does and that is key for
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should be a rush to judgment. Stop me if you've
heard this before in life. A rush to form opinions,
a rush of how could he? Well, he had to
have it must mean. The amount of times that we
simply decide what makes sense because we're using our own life,

(01:28):
our own experiences, and our own logic, and then we're
wrong is stunning, but it never stops us from doing it.
It's called confirmation bias. It's something that if you talk
to prosecutors at a high level, you talk to juries,
you talk to people around legal issues, they'll tell you
all the time. The confirmation bias is essentially saying, this
is the outcome I think makes the most sense, So
I'm going to stack all the bricks to make that

(01:49):
outcome happen, because it's what makes the most sense to me.
And it's exactly what we've been dealing with from day one.
When it comes to show, hey, everybody heard the same thing.
Oh my gosh, this translator, well he must be taking
the fall. There's no way a translator was taking money
from him. There's no way the money could leave his accountant.
He wouldn't know. There's absolutely no way any of this

(02:12):
could be true based on what how often do we
see Unfortunately, seniors that are taken advantage of by con
artists that take all of their money and leave them
with absolutely nothing. And we sit there where we say,
how could you what happens all the time? We can't
make it make sense. I can tell you fairly, definitively,

(02:35):
I've been lucky enough in my life to interact with
people that have made a lot of money, and almost
every one of those people has a small group that
does have access to accounts. They would have the ability
if they wanted to do terrible things to do them.
But we never wanted to pause and at least figure
out if that made sense. And even from the outset,
it was, well, how can they let show hey get

(02:57):
near the pitcher's mountain? How can they let him get
near baseball? How can we let him have a single
at bat? You can't let him have anything to do
with the game. He certainly must have bet on it
at least on what How many times do we have
to sit down and have the same conversation as a
society about maybe it's better to get it right and

(03:18):
then get it first. How many times do we have
to sit down as a society and say, hey, let's
let this play out before we make big, sweeping generalizations.
And now, how many times do we have to turn
around and beg people, beg people to listen to actual
information when they made up their mind. See, here's the thing,

(03:39):
conspiracy theorists all these things like, Look, I'll be loud
and proud on this. I don't give a damn about
your conspiracy theories. I don't care if we never walked
on the moon. Doesn't it change my friday? I don't.
I don't care if you believe all of these things.
The government's up to this and they're trying to take
that I'd like, I don't care, y'all. Nothing I'm gonna
do is gonna change any of that. Nothing I'm gonna

(04:01):
do is gonna impact any of that, and whatever any
of that means isn't gonna change my Friday. So my
reality is my reality. I'm just gonna live it. You
can call a blind ignorance if you want. I don't care.
But where I'm right and where it affords me more
luxury is it when information starts to come out, I
don't immediately have to make somebody the bad guy. How

(04:23):
many people from the outset we're convinced to show Hey
did everything wrong and the Major League Baseball would just
cover it all up. That's why I'm glad personally that
the Department of Justice got involved. That's why I'm glad
this became a criminal investigation. And then think that all
the people that from the beginning said, well, show Hey

(04:44):
won't answer these questions. I mean, have they brought charges
or they're doing these things. I don't know if anybody's
ever been involved in criminal investigations before, but less is more.
The less you say, the better. Look. I watch Law
and Order all the time. Now there's from a personal
lifestanle point. My brother served seven years for possession with
the intent to distribute, So certainly I grew up around

(05:05):
understanding the way the prison system works and understanding somewhat
some of the legal system. But let's just go all
the way down to just law and order. Right, I
watched Law and Order all the time. What's the first
thing you learn if you're watching Law and Order? Don't
say anything? Nothing there is not like. Look, I'm just
telling you. If everybody I love disappeared and the cops

(05:27):
walked into my house and said where are they, the
first thing I'd say is lawyer. Why, Because I've watched
enough Law and Order. I just don't want to get
some pind on me. It's not even a conspiracy there.
I don't want to say the wrong thing, I don't
want to do the wrong thing. I want to get
a lawyer and then have a lawyer help me through everything.
That doesn't mean I'm innoc It doesn't mean I'm guilty.
It just means that I watched enough Law and Order

(05:48):
to be scared of everything. I'm a coward. Okay, see
your show. Hey, you just find out the person you
trust the most is taking millions of dollars from you.
Not uncommon in the acting world, not uncommon in the
entertainment world, but seems uncommon in sports. He's taken millions
of dollars from you. The person you trusted the most

(06:10):
has stolen from you, and not just a little bit
of money, a lot of money. Now all of a sudden,
we're analyzing everything he says, everything he does, everything he did,
everything he didn't do, all for what. As you heard
in the beginning, the former interpreter Ebey, accused of stealing

(06:31):
more than sixteen million dollars over two years, has been
booked federal authorities are involved, and that's where this becomes important,
because he's being charged with actual, real crimes. Bank fraud
carries a maximum fine of up to a million dollars
and over up to thirty years in prison, according to
federal sentencing guidelines. Also, US Attorney Martin Estrada said Thursday,

(06:56):
there's no evidence so Toani had any knowledge of Missouri's
gambling activities or his use of his bank account to
pay his bills. Imagine that, Imagine everything that we have
wasted time saying, presuming that absolutely it must be this,
only to find out that the US Attorney and that

(07:18):
you think they're protecting baseball. You think the Department of
Justice is out here worried about what happens to a
baseball star. No, they're not. They're just doing their jobs
at this point. They're just doing their jobs. And so
what do we know? We know according to the charges
at this point that from all of the evidence they've

(07:39):
been able to find, which includes taxes and phone calls,
it includes all sorts of information from coding. If you
go out and I read the whole affidavit, and it's
pretty alarming when you start to read it, how much
encrypted technology was used and how much they're actually analyzing
all of the communication that was happening, and from everything
they've analyzed, they can find no indication that Epay bet

(08:01):
on any baseball number one. They can also find no
indication that Shohy had any idea. So, now what do
you have one of the greatest stars of his current
generation in sports, all of sports, not just baseball, that
has had somebody incredibly close to him take massive amounts
of money, massive amounts of money. It's not uncommon for

(08:25):
many musicians when they're starting to make it to sort
of get a business manager, and that business manager helps
you through everything. It's not uncommon that business manager has
access to your accounts and then every few months you
sit down with that business account a business manager, and
you go over your accounts you're supposed to. I know
a lot of guys that aren't great at that. It
gets really confusing and complicated when you start talking about

(08:45):
financials on all these things, and you sort of got
to trust the people that you hire. So what do
you do if the person you trust the most because
you're just not good with handling all that, is the
one that's out here doing all this behind your back.
You feel stupid, you feel used, You feel like the
person that you relied on the most is let you down.

(09:06):
And through all of it, now everybody that watches your sport,
covers your sport, thinks about your sport, has decided that
you're actually a bad guy doing the one thing that
you cannot do. You're betting on your sport. We spent
weeks saying the name Pete Rose and show hey Otani
in the same sentence, with absolutely no evidence. We spent

(09:30):
weeks associating one of the worst things you can do
in sports, specifically in sports particularly. We all know there
are plenty of people in sports that have done terrible
things in life, but when it comes to just on
the field, betting on sports when you're an athlete gives
everybody the hebe gepis, and we immediately presume the worst,

(09:53):
the sort of offense that would keep show Hay off
of a baseball field, keep show Hay out of our
cond of our concepts of baseball. We presumed the absolute
worst at every step. Why because we applied our own
personal logic to a situation we knew nothing about, yet

(10:16):
we've learned nothing from it. Because we'll do it again
next time. And I'm not lecturing. I'm not talking down
to anybody. I've been part of the problem, certainly, we
all have. I guess the question is when do we
just default to being human beings in these situations. When

(10:36):
do we default to letting things play out? When as
a culture do we actually decide that we believe in
innocent until proven guilty. When do we decide that the
information we have today doesn't have to create a hot take,
It doesn't have to create a news story. It can

(10:57):
simply create analysis based only on what we know right now.
I say it all the time. One of the most
interesting things about what we do in sports talk is
we are asked genuinely to write a book report after
every chapter of a book. Think of it is, I
can't come on radio or do any of my work
with Yahu Sports and decide that I'm not going to

(11:18):
say anything about football season or college football until it's over.
That would make me bad at my job. So as
a result, I have to take the information we have
week one results, figure out what we're going to talk
about for the next thirty forty hours of content we're
making that week. What are our takeaways right after two
weeks might look a little different. What are our takeaways

(11:38):
after five weeks? What are our takeaways? This is a process,
so we're forced to write a book report every single
week when it comes to what we're seeing on the field,
which means we might after two chapters say Wow, this
is best book I've ever read, and by the time
you get to the end of it, you're like, man,
this thing sucked. How many times have you watched a
movie and if they stop the movie fifteen minutes and
you'd be like, Oh, this thing's great, and by the

(11:59):
time you get to the end, you're like, it's trash.
I hated the ending. Right. We don't have that luxury
in sports when it comes to the product we see
on the field. Our jobs in sports media is to
talk about things every single day that they're happening. Are
our joy as fans is about talking about things every
single day that they're happening. The question is, when are

(12:20):
we as a society going to establish some level of
guidelines on how we approach the things that aren't just
about what's happening on the field. When are we as
a society going to decide that we're not going to
approach everything like we know everything because we don't have to.
All we had to do when everything broke with Showhey

(12:41):
was say this is worth keeping an eye on. And
as we get more information, we will let you know
what we find out. That's what we should have done,
it's what we didn't do. And now, because so many
people made up their mind, and because as a society
we don't like to say, whoop's my bad. As a
society already decided innocence or guilt, and there's not a

(13:02):
fact that we'll let get in the way of that.
It's unfortunate because the one thing I know is I'll
always stand up and say, man, I was wrong about that.
I do it about my takes. I do it when
I analyze people the wrong way. I do it my
personal life, and I do it in front of a microphone.
Maybe we could do it a little less if we
took this Dodgers example as one more reason that the

(13:23):
best thing we can do is hold off on the
sweeping generalized statements until we get all the information. So
Doug Gottleib Show on Fox Sports Radio, I'm Jason fitz
filling in. All right, We're gonna get to some of
this draft talk, because you've heard a ton of it,
and I'm telling you there is one rumor happening around
the NFL Draft right now that is absolutely mind blowing
that you should not take any weight to. We'll tell

(13:44):
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Speaker 3 (15:00):
Leave show on Fox Sports Radio. Coming at to life
from the tiraq dot com studios. Jason fitz filling in
for Doug. I was just talking about the investigation by
the Department of Justice. Bonos tweeted me said, Bro, you're
cracking me up. An investigation. Of course, everything they're telling
you is what you want to hear. If the truth
came out, that would be the end of baseball. Lmfao.

(15:22):
That's a problem like that, guy, you can't respond to.
There's nothing I can say to Bo because Bo has
been has now made up his mind that whatever information
we're getting is full of lives, and which means like, again,
you can give a conspiracy theorist facts all day long
and they won't they won't believe it. But then you
show him a Reddit thread about not landing on the

(15:42):
Moon and they'll be like, oh, yeah, I believe. Like,
it doesn't take much to get a conspiracy theorist to
believe in other conspiracy theory. It's just getting them to
believe actual facts that are just apparently that's difficult. So
I boil it all down to the lowest common denominator
on here, because I think life at the end of
the day is mostly usually about money at some level
and platform on the other. Like that's just sort of

(16:03):
what happens. I guess My question is, who do you
think is sitting there saying, oh, you know what, let's
protect baseball. Do you think baseball matters so much to
the Department of Justice that people are like, hey man,
you know what, this is the one that we're gonna
We're gonna corrupt everything because we've got to save a
baseball player. Now, that just doesn't make any sense. The

(16:24):
win isn't there the long term win, isn't there? So,
like through all of it, ask yourself this like trusting
that people can't keep a secret, that nobody can even
NDAs don't keep people from releasing whatever they want to
say about whenever. However, like so you'd be asking everybody
involved to decide that the hill they're gonna die on
is protecting a major league baseball player that doesn't necessarily

(16:45):
need protection. What's the worst case scenario if they find
out that show Hey bet on baseball, then Show Hey
gets banned and they guess what, one of the biggest
stars of the sports is gone. But guess what. Through
all of that, baseball is still kind of where baseball was,
like still kind of a regional life sport. The problem
with anybody that comes in and is like, well, they're
not telling you the truth. Okay, what else do you want?

(17:05):
Like what information would actually get you to sit down,
shut up and acknowledge it? The answer is nothing. And
if the answer is that the only information you'll take
is the information that supports would you believe, then you're
part of the problem. It's just you're part of the problem.
At that point, you're just stirring things up and you're
being that guy. We live in a society now. It's
like fifth graders that are all poking each other, trying

(17:28):
to piss each other off at every single turn, and
I don't understand it. It's the gott Leap Show. I'm
Jason fitzfilin it while we talk about things that make
me angry. Rumors make me angry around the NFL Draft
and particularly Malik Neighbors. I don't know if you guys
have seen this, but the Wide Receiver it came out.
One reporter came out and said there's concerns about his
ego and now there's concerns that he can't handle a

(17:50):
big city. Those are the moments again where I would
ask for transparency from those reports. I don't think that's
a bad thing. That's one reporter telling you that the
problem with this is that this time of the draft,
everybody's got an ulterior motive on everything. So just trying
to sort through and figure out what's real, but also
just the general concept that somebody wouldn't be prepared for

(18:10):
the big city. I guess my question is based on
what kid was born in Louisiana, you went to school
at LSU. I mean, we've never really seen him in
a big city, So how would we know? And you
think that there's more attention on the big city than
there is. I'm being a wide receiver at LSU, spent
pretty good amount of time there. Football players walk round
on that campus. They're never invisible. These are the moments

(18:34):
you got to look at it. You got to ask
yourself the why and who it's coming from. Who it's
coming from is a big part of it. Just anytime
you see one outlining report from one outlining reporter, my
question is just like, all right, what was the benefit?
And an agent years ago always told me, if you
want to figure out why something leaks, figure out who
benefits from it. That's just the way the world works.

(18:56):
So if all of a sudden you hear something about
a player and that drives down their value, was probably
leaked from the team because the team benefits from it.
If you hear something about a team, you know, might
be driving driven by the agent because they want, oh
getting a ton of money. Driven by the agent. They
want to make sure that their guy looks the right way.
If you look at this Moliku Neighbors stuff, I would

(19:17):
just implore everybody watch the film. Just watch Molik play.
And when you hear these rumors, it reminds me a
little of CJ. Stroud last year. Everybody wanted to try
and find something wrong with c J Stroud. Turns out CJ.
Stroud had a historic year. There's a reason why some
of these are floated, and it's just to try and
make sure the guys possibly still get available later in
the first round and just try to make guys fall

(19:38):
so that it benefits of other teams and for all
of us that are reading it, all you can do
is just sort of couch it and say, Okay, cool
if that's what you say. But you can't tell me
that there's a single team out there that's gonna sit
there with Moliku neighbors and say, oh, not really sure. Also,
the big city aspect of it, like the Giants and
the Jets, I mean, their facilities, their practices, they're not

(19:59):
really the big city. They're sort of outside the big city,
like Dallas, the Cowboys are outside the big city. Like
how many of these teams are really living in big
city environments Vegas. I don't know. It's just these are
the moments that from the draft standpoint, you just got
to look at all of it and say, hey, let's
just again to preach patients. Let's wait a couple of
weeks and see what actually happens in the draft. Monzi,

(20:21):
why don't you get us caught up with a little
bit of what's trending, and then we'll get into some
of this Tom Brady news that's out there everywhere.

Speaker 7 (20:27):
Well, we're gonna start with your favorite the Masters, because
Tiger what has done for the day. He finished the
second round plus one. The cut is currently plus four,
so Woods becomes the only golfer in history to make
twenty four consecutive cuts at the Masters. So he's the
goat for a reason, because he's doing stuff that's the

(20:49):
Rat's right now in the lead. Bryson Deshambeau is seven
hunderd part overall through fourteen holes. Max Hoomer Scotti Scheffler
is still golfing. Maxhoma has done for the day. Both
of them are currently one shot back of Bryson deshambo.
In college hoops, ESPN reported not too long ago that
Yukon seven foot two sophomore Donovan Klingen will enter the
twenty twenty four NBA draft.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
So will Duke Ford, Kyle Philipowski.

Speaker 7 (21:13):
The University of Kentucky has officially hired Mark Pope to
be the school's new men's basketball coach in the NBA.
No Kyrie irving for the MAVs regular season home finale
tonight against the Pistons. He's out due to left hamstring soreness.
Luka Dancies is questionable with left ankle soreness. And you
were just talking about Sho hey O Tawny and his
interpreter eat former interpreter eap Ben Misujara.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
That's right.

Speaker 7 (21:36):
ESPN reporter that he surrendered himself to authorities today. He's
doing core in Los Angeles this afternoon. The report also
says that Minsuhara is expected to be released on bond
later today.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
Back to you, Jason, Manzi, just so good at what
you do.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
I just have to tell you that, like every time
you read like it's just I'm sorry, you just make
it all sound so cool. It's just always like.

Speaker 5 (22:00):
You thank you.

Speaker 7 (22:01):
Yeah, you know, It's just I like my jobs makes
it easy, you.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
Know what you can tell you. Monsy's the best. It's
a Doug Gottlieb show. I'm Jason Fitz filling in for Doug.
I want to bring everybody in on this conversation because
I'll admit my bias. That's what I said earlier, Like
sometimes we just got to admit there are certain things
like I will never forget the fact that there's no
such thing as a tuck and it was a fumble.
It's just never gonna work for me. So like every

(22:26):
time Brady's back in the news, I slightly roll my eyes.
I'm the first to admit that. So Brady's back in
the news because Tom Brady was asked about the concept
of wanting to play again, and he made it clear
that he's not ruling that out completely. It's complicated. But
like Shae, I'm bringing in shape producer extraordinary here. Like

(22:46):
Shaye first and foremost, when Brady speaks, do we still
have to listen?

Speaker 1 (22:52):
Okay?

Speaker 8 (22:52):
So I mean we were kind of talking about of
this in the beginning and hear how I'm not in
the beginning during the break where he kind of he
does I mean, why wouldn't we listen? You know what
I mean? Like he still has so much impact on
the NFL, Like we're still talking to him about him
so much, and then on top of it, like he
wants to come back and maybe play I don't know,
like he's talking about it, and then and then the

(23:14):
whole other thing is is he he might be an
owner too, Like we were looking into it at the
break and I know, if you want to keep talking
about this, you definitely can. But it's like, why wouldn't we.
He is impacting the sport so much. It's almost like
once Lebron retires, I think it's gonna be something very
similar because he's just gonna have such a big impact
on the sport no matter what he does.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
Look, I don't care if somebody retires or doesn't retire.
Just whatever you're doing, do it. And to the Tom
Brady point, it's a very it's more nuanced to like
so many things in the world than just he wants
to play go Because if you think about it, first
of all, let's hear from Brady particularly. I think we
have this here, Shay. Let everybody hear what Brady said

(23:56):
when he was asked about playing one day. It is
a situation, right, Maybe it's the forty nine ers, Maybe
you know, head to the playoffs.

Speaker 9 (24:02):
Offense is great, Patriots, somebody Raiders could be you never know.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
Scott Forbid somebody goes down, would you pick up that phone.

Speaker 3 (24:10):
I'm not opposed to it if they would.

Speaker 9 (24:12):
I don't know if they're gonna let me if I
become an owner and an NFL team, But I don't know.
If I don't know, I'm always going to be in
a good shape, always be able to throw the ball,
so to come in for a little bit like MJ
coming back. I don't know if they let me, but
I wouldn't be opposed to it.

Speaker 3 (24:26):
Okay, I don't know if they'd let me. It is
an important detail here. We're all just sort of glossing
over for anyone that doesn't know. It's been put in
front of the owners that Tom Brady is set to
become a minority owner of the Las Vegas Raiders. Mark
Davis is selling him a small number of shares so
he can become part of ownership. Currently, as it stands,
an owner cannot also play. And the reason that that

(24:47):
exists is because you could simply circumvent the salary cap
by giving ownership stake to players, and then you don't
have to count them for your salary cap. So it
would be an unfair competitive advantage. So, as of about
a month ago. It was expected that at the next
owner's meeting there will be a final vote on this,
but it is expected to go through. There's no expectation
that Tom Brady will not be a minority owner of

(25:08):
the Las Vegas Raiders, which means all of this is
an absolute mood point, which is part of what frustrates
me here y'all, like, because think about it, Brady knows
what's at stake. He wants to be an owner, and
this is the easiest way. Getting a small stake leads
to a bigger steak, leads to eventually maybe owning a team.
So this is a foot in the door towards the
rest of his life and his future for somebody that
also has Fox sitting here waiting for Brady coming into

(25:31):
this season and they're basically benching Greg Olsen in the booth,
who's done a remarkably good job for them. There are
so many moving pieces. Tom knows that, and then Tom
comes in and says, well, I might still want to play, Like,
if you're an owner that's about to vote on his ownership,
does this not complicate that? Like the fact that Brady
is still going on and saying things like this has
to raise some level of concern for everybody else that

(25:54):
thinks that they're about to get into the business of
post playing career. Tom Brady like words have consequence, Shay,
So to me, for him to say all of this
is just during the pot unnecessarily because he already knows
he's not gonna get on the field. He just wants
us talking about him.

Speaker 8 (26:08):
So I honestly I thought this was kind of cool. Well,
he said it on a podcast called Deep Cut where
he's getting like a haircut and it's with this guy
Vic Blends, which I found really random, Like why would
like why there? You know what I mean, why would
you drop something that kind of means so much there?
So it could also be to bring I mean, it
could have been something that they debated, like hey, like

(26:28):
this is a new, up and coming podcast, you know
what I mean, like something like that. I mean, I
know you don't like conspiracy theorists, but I was thinking
it could be something that because it's such a random
podcast to say something like that. But at the same time,
like he's not really going on sports podcasts as much,
and he has his own podcast too, where I feel
like he would have said that if he wants to

(26:49):
bring people to his podcast, so it could be something
like that, I don't want to be a conspiracy theorist.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
But no, no, no, But that actually makes a lot
of sense. I never thought about this until just now
that you mentioned it. But while we're just being open,
because that's the way I like to do business. When
I was doing Middays on ESPN Radio with Harry Douglas,
we were going to get Tom Brady for an interview
on Fitz and Harry at the time, and we had
to submit all of our questions in advance, Like we

(27:15):
literally had to write out what we wanted to talk
to Tom about and it had to go to Tom's
people for Tom to approve before he would come on
the show. So as you're saying that, like, nothing happens
accidentally with Tom Brady, so right, like he has to
know that this is going to be talked about, or
if he gets asked that question and he doesn't want
to answer it, he simply says nah. So yeah, he

(27:36):
knew exactly what he was doing. He knew he was
stirring the pot. Like there is an element and look,
we can all do this. We've all got that one
friend that walks into the party and knows the thing
that they can say that's going to absolutely I mean
like it'd be no different from me to walking into
a group of people in Nashville and then just being
like so election year, huh, and then you just turn

(27:56):
around and walk out right like you're just all I'm
doing is spinning them up. That's exactly what Brady's doing here.
He's just he's spinning all of us up and getting
us talking about something that's never gonna happen and promoting
yet another Brady appearance which keeps him in the news
and also promotes his podcast that you're right, shit, I
don't even think that's a conspiracy.

Speaker 8 (28:13):
Right, It's like it seems too random, Like I I
don't want to be that guy that's like saying that.
But it's just like Brady has his own podcast that
he could have said this so many times, like that
this question has been asked so many times too. I
feel like, like, is this it? Like is this is
this gonna be it? Like are you ever going to
come back? And like I remember him saying, like right

(28:35):
when he retired again for the second time, that he
was like, yeah, this is it. Why would he like,
it just doesn't make sense to me. It really doesn't.
And especially with him becoming an owner, like trying to
become an owner it I don't know, Yeah, it just this.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
Feels like a publicity stunt more than anything, you know,
just stacking the bricks the way they are and understanding
that if you're about to become a minority owner and
you're about to make whatever, eighteen twenty million dollars from Fox,
I don't for a year, I don't really understand how
much money you'd have to get paid to put all
of that on hold. Yet again, you know, and like

(29:11):
I said, not for nothing. I think it's pretty unfair
to put that over the head of organizations, but also
to put that over the head of broadcast partners, knowing
that Greg Olsen made it clear. Like I talked to
Greg at the Super Bowl pretty extensively. He made it
clear that he intends to be on a number one
crew somewhere and thinks that he's earned that right. So right, So,
if you're Greg Olsen, you're looking at your whole media

(29:32):
career saying, man, I'm losing my chair to this guy.
And this guy doesn't even know if he wants to
go back and play like that's the the ripple effect
to Brady that he's smart enough to know he's creating.
So he either just cares that much about being talked
about or he's just that indifferent to anybody else in
the ancillary effect that happens from his spoken word, Like,
that's just I have a problem with that either way,

(29:53):
either way that we're looking at it, the fact that
this is coming up is an issue for me. It's
a Doug Gottlieb show. I'm Jason Fitzfilman for Doug and
the tire rack dot Com Studios on Fox Sports Radio.
And that's not the only thing that Brady said. And look,
there's a lot of conversation about quarterbacks and super Bowls
and Brady was asked, I think a good question, who's
going to be next? Right, Like, which guy hasn't won

(30:15):
a Super Bowl yet? And who's going to be next?
This is how that went down.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
Next quarterback to win a Super Bowl that hasn't won yet.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
I like Josh Allen a lot. I think he's I
picked Josh Josh. Yeah.

Speaker 9 (30:29):
I like Josh a lot as a guy, as a leader,
but you know, he's got to get past the Chiefs,
and that's hard because Patrick's incredible in the way he
leads that team.

Speaker 3 (30:37):
By the way, that's all from Deep Cut, the podcast
of Vic Blend's Deep Cut there, So we want to
give them some credit for that. What's interesting to me
is Josh Allen, by the way, great player. To me,
this is a reminder that we have to start couching
our entire Super Bowl conversation differently because for Eras it

(30:57):
was championship, championship, championship. But the interesting thing is Tom
Brady sitting here saying who the person is that's going
to break through also has to acknowledge that that person
is going to have to break through the next Tom
Brady to get it done. Patrick Mahomes at this point
and the level of sustained success he's shown is undeniable.
And not only do you have to have Patrick Mahomes,

(31:18):
not only do you have to have the best quarterback,
you have to have the best coach right now currently
in the NFL, without question, to me, the best quarterback
is Patrick Mahomes and the best coach is Andy Reid.
So for everybody that thinks, you know what, we're gonna
go out, we're gonna take down the Chiefs this year.
The method to doing that is to have the best
quarterback and have the best coach better than reading Mahomes.

(31:40):
If you're not better than reading Mahomes, then you got
to rely on getting lucky. And look, everybody can say
this is an operation, but also we just lived through
this for a generation because you had to be better
than Brady and Belichick or you had to get lucky.
I know there was a gap in there where they
didn't win the Super Bowl. For a minute, things didn't
quite click for him. But when you look at the
body of work overall, we have to acknowledge that there

(32:01):
is a context to the conversation. Like when we talk
about Mike tomlin sustained success in the NFL and the
number of Super Bowls he's won when his career is done,
we also have to acknowledge it for many years he
had a great team that just wasn't quite as great
as the Patriots. That's just fact. That doesn't mean that
he wasn't great. That doesn't mean those Patriot teams weren't great.

(32:23):
It's just part of the context of the conversation. There's
a difference between man, he's only won one super Bowl
and he's only won one super Bowl because he was
a starting quarterback in the peak of Mahomes. That's the
thing you can't really factor in. That's where you know,
I think Manzi said it really brilliantly earlier talking about
the Masters. What makes it appealing is it is a competition.

(32:44):
But part of what also makes it appealing is that
to people that love the Masters, it's one on one.
We treat the football conversation like it's one on one,
and it isn't. Josh Allen could have the best year
we've ever seen in NFL history this year. He could
literally set every every record we have ever seen, and
it doesn't mean the Bills will win the Super Bowl.

(33:06):
He could literally have a historic season the likes that
we have never even imagined. He could throw it for
sixty touchdowns, and it doesn't mean that all of a sudden,
we're not facing an AFC Championship game where the defense
gives up a twelve second touchdown to Mahomes and all
of a sudden, Buffalo's hearts are broken again. That's why

(33:27):
the conversation around championships and forcing that to be part
of the legacy is one of the laziest things we
do in all the sports, because then all we had
to do is we gotta look at one thing. Oh man,
my god, he won super bowls. He must be great. Really,
Arry must have been on great teams, could have been
an important part of great teams. You can be an

(33:50):
absolutely incredible player and never have a Super Bowl win.
Cough Dan Marino. And let me ask you if you
go all the way back to that era, and you
could pick a quarterback, and you could pick Jim Punkett,
who's got two super Bowls, or you could pick Dan Marino,
who's got none. Who you take it? I think we

(34:13):
all know the answer to that. We can't live in
a world. It's impossible, it's short sighted, it's borderline irresponsible
to live in a world where we simply make a
quarterback better than another quarterback because they won a Super Bowl.
Trent Dilford is not a better quarterback than Dan Marino.

(34:36):
Trent dilferd is not a better quarterback. Was not a
better quarterback than Josh Allen. And this era right now,
we're gonna get Josh Allen, We're gonna get Joe Burrow.
You can go up and down the list. Young quarterbacks
in the AFC, justin Herbert, We're gonna get a ton
of them, and there's a very real chance that absolutely

(34:58):
none of them in a Super Bowl. And that doesn't
mean they weren't great. That means they weren't the greatest
of all time with the greatest of all time coach,
because Brady and Belichick was a combination like Voltron from
the eighties, robots built together, greatest of all time level.
I talk about tears all the time, like alcohol, like bar,

(35:20):
top shelf, top shelf, liquor. It's Brady Belichick. You know
who's sitting right next to him on top shelf. Now,
Mahomes and Reid, now you can get on that shelf.
It doesn't necessarily mean you're gonna win a championship. And
the sooner we accept that and start actually bringing full
context into the conversations that we're having, the better our

(35:42):
conversations will be. We'll continue our conversation on the masters,
get to the latest. Coming up next on The Doug
Gottleib Show, I'm Jason fitz filling in on Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 4 (35:51):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.

Speaker 3 (35:57):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. I'm
Jason Fitz filling in for Doug. Guys, I'm shook. I'm
shooketh i am shook to my core. I've just seen
all of the different statues, and I think I owe

(36:18):
the seventy six ers an apology. Maybe I can't figure
this out, Okay, because for anyone that didn't see, Alan
Iverson got a statue today that showed the unveiling. It's
a crossover statue that I joked, it looks like a
crossover between a statue and a funk goal pop. Absolutely
tiny compared to what we're used to from a statue,
especially in a city that has a rocky statue that

(36:39):
is like eighty seven feet tall. I don't know how
hall it is don't happen. But now, Shay producer Extraordinaire
has sent me a video from the NBA of all
of the Sixers royalty that have statues, and they are
all tiny, like tiny statues outside the practice facility seems
to be a thing. So many questions, not the least

(36:59):
of which is why tiny statue shade like I don't
know how to feel about this because you see some
of these names and it's like like Wilton, I mean,
doctor j Moses Malone, Charles Barkley. These were big men
with tiny statues. I don't understand it.

Speaker 8 (37:16):
So yeah, I mean, well, I'm not going to mention this.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
I'm gonna mention this.

Speaker 8 (37:19):
Also, Alan Iverson's statue still seems like the smallest one
out of all of those statues. But yeah, I mean
there is a common theme. I mean, I'm sure if
we were there, we would be like, oh, this is
so cool and like you see all of them, but
when you just see them one by one, you're just
like why, Like it doesn't really make sense. But no, Okay,
if I was there and if I was to see
them like all right next to each other, I'm sure

(37:41):
it'd be a really cool picture. I'm sure it'd be
really cool. But at the same time, without the context,
yeah I did. I was like, what's going on here? Like, well,
I would especially because Ai is small, like he's not
a big player either. I thought they were trying to
do something fun with that, and I was like, this
just doesn't make sense at all. But now that we
have the context, it makes way more sense. And it

(38:01):
looks good. I mean, the statue of self looks good.
And I was looking at all the other statues like
there's a lot of big names there too, So I mean,
I mean I would love to go there and see
it myself. Don't get me wrong, Like I'm not. I'm
a lot more inclined to go see it now, if
that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
But here's the thing, Like, Manzy, have you seen the
tiny statues? What do we call these like mini statues
of the tiny statues?

Speaker 7 (38:23):
Yeah, I mean yeah, I saw it, and it does okay,
it puts a little bit more of perspective into it,
but it does still look smaller than the rest. Those
look small, but like elongated, almost alien like some of them.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
Right, this just looks really just small and compact.

Speaker 3 (38:43):
I don't know. So I'm looking at this thinking, what if,
just playing the Devil's Advocated from the seventy six ers,
do I keep adding to these statues or do I
just take these statues, give them back to the families
of each of the people that have the glory of it,
and replace them with actual, real size statues because these
just don't feel like like imposing. The seventy six ers

(39:06):
have a history they could be showing off with some
of this greatness and instead, I mean, Manzi's right, like
the Wilt one looks kind of like a weird alien
that's kind of tiny, Like all of the I mean,
they all they look more like ballerinas than they do
basketball players, all of them. Yeah, I don't know. I
just feel like these would be really imposing if they

(39:28):
were life size. I mean, you're the seventy six ers.
Give me life size, show off your the greatness of
the people that have worn the jersey with life size.
That's what I'm looking for, Manzi.

Speaker 7 (39:39):
I know I'm with you, I completely agree, But clearly
I think this is something they're going to keep doing.
If they've added this little one.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
Maybe maybe Shae, maybe Shae is onto something that.

Speaker 7 (39:51):
If we were there, we would feel differently about it.
But let me tell you, social media is still saying
it's too small, even though we know so now that
it's part of this lineup that they have.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
Social Media is still like, yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
No, I mean if I'm and that explains AI by
the way, like as Alan Iverson got was choked up
with it and was really emotional and was like thankful
for it and My immediate thought was, well, that must
have been before he saw it, right, But now we know,
Like I'm sure if he's walking by that all the
time around the practice facility, he's seen those legends. He

(40:26):
knows what it means to have a tiny statue amongst
the other tiny statues. But like I just I think
maybe I'm still just rocked to my core because the
Rocky statue is full size, Like and I know he's
not a seventy six ers, but manci, he's full size Rocky.

Speaker 4 (40:40):
He is a full size Rocky.

Speaker 7 (40:41):
No, he's He's definitely makee a statement with that statue.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
AI statue is is barely making a sentence.

Speaker 3 (40:51):
I can't imagine. Like it's one of the things that's weird.
If you like, if you're lucky enough to have a
walk star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame, Like how
do you find him? If you have a stat you
tell your family, like go see the statue. They're the
tiny ones by the practice facilities, like the seventh one down.
You can't miss it. Like if I got a statue,
I don't want to have to give anybody directions on
how to find it. Monsei, appreciate your great work today,

(41:13):
Iowa Sam of course, and Shay is always. Thanks for
hanging out with me. I've been Jason fitz in for
Doug Gottlieb. Stick around. More Fox Sports Radio coming at
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