June 27, 2024 • 38 mins
Doug and the crew debate whether or not the Lakers should draft Bronny James. Doug welcomes NFL analyst John Middlekauff onto the show to talk about the Dolphins, the 49ers and all of the other major headlines around the NFL. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a Thursday edition of "The Press".
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Part two, which is opposite the uh presidential debate, I
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mean the presidential base right now? Oh, the draft just
started this right, Okay, my time zones are screwed up
a little bit. So yeah, really last night it was
at seven o'clock, seven o'clock, you know, I thought it
was a nightly event. So now we're trying to figure
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out if the Lakers are going to draft Ronnie James.
So let me just throw it out to thirty, right,
didn't get drafted last night. Lakers though, have that fifty
fifth pick. There was all the pulaver. I love that word.
What a great word. All the polaver about Ronnie James
from Rich Paul, his agent as to oh, he could
go to Toronto, he could go to Dallas. He's not.
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No one's taking him sight unseen. He's only worked out
for the Suns and for the Lakers. Andy Katz joined
his last hour and he's like, look, tell me if
this makes sense. They draft Dalton Connect, who's a refined,
finished product ready to play. I agree. I like Dalton Connect.
I don't think he's a starter. I think he's a
bench player. But he can come in and make shots
right away like that. Dude can score. I'm not sure
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you can guard. But that's not really the point with
where he's drafted and what they needed, and they want
guys that can play. I like that. The issue is
that it's different playing with Lebron now as opposed to
playing with Lebron ten years ago. Ten years ago, you
could hide a guy who's not a great defender, because
Lebron was a plus defender as well as a great
offensive player and a great passer. Now that's that's not
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as much the case in terms of Lebron at the
defensive end at this stage in his career. So the
question becomes, if you're if you're the Lakers, should you
draft Bronnie James? Should you draft Brinnie James? This is
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not will they? This is should they? Not will they?
But should they? And my answer is no, I don't
believe anyone else is going to draft Bronnie James. I don't.
You can still acquire Bronnie James through you know, free agency,
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and by the way, you can kind of control whatever
you want to control. I wouldn't if someone's not going
to draft him, and if you get to fifty five,
no one's gonna. I don't think anybody's gonna draft him anyway. One.
I don't think in truth, he's an NBA prospect at
this point in time, you know, I just don't. Additionally,
the likelihood of him wanting to play with anyone that
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his dad isn't playing for. I don't think his dad
is leaving Los Angeles. They just hired JJ Reddick. I think,
you know, there's really not a lot of leverage for
Lebron to leave LA anyway. They just hired, just hired.
JJ Reddick, who whether or not he's hand picked, it
feels like he's the handpick coach for Lebron James. He's
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building a gigantic new house, he has one kid in
high school, one in elementary school. Like, he's not moving,
so there's not a lot of leverage there. And then
you draft a veteran player who can play, Like, why
would we waste to pick on a guy that no
one else is going to draft when we can get
him as an unrestricted free agent? And oh yeah, by
the way, if most guys you don't draft him, you're like, well,
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anyone could him? Why would anybody else sign him? Doesn't
make any sense. So I would not draft him for
that reason, Dan Byer, what would you do?
Speaker 2 (04:10):
I wouldn't draft him either, Doug. I just if if
Lebron James is a twenty year member of the Cleveland
Cavaliers and the Cavaliers were on the clock, or maybe
a twenty year member of the Los Angeles Lakers, Uh,
then I can then I could see something like that.
I just it just yeah, I don't. I don't love it.
(04:35):
They you know, he put out a highlight video. I
actually felt bad about this of Lebron and Bryce and
and Lebronni doing a workout, and you've said it all
along that you know, Bryce is the better prospect and
and it showed.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
In that I don't think. I don't think Bryce is
a better prosser.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Oh okay, I'm sorry, Okay, I just didn't want to
put word put word G in your mouth than I mean.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
I've heard that said before. I don't. I don't think
I've ever commented on I've just shard Bryce is. He's
he's more athletic. He's also taller, but he's he hasn't
played nearly as much basketball. So there's like I've heard
that Bryce has been put in some situations where it's like, man,
he doesn't really belong because he's just not at that
level yet. Whereas Bronnie was he's always been about, you know,
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the highest level of au and he's always and he
actually kind of came back down to earth, whereas the
Bryce thing is kind of a new thing. But anyway,
go ahead them.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
I thought on the video Bryce looked better and maybe
because he was bigger.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Yeah, he's bigger and he can do, you know, do
more things in a one un none sort of video.
He's just more athletic because he jumps out at you.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Yeah, and so I didn't think that it did Brownie
any favors in that regard.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Yeah, probably small too. You know, Bryce isn't huge, and
obviously Lebron is a fully grown man. Bryce is small too.
Then there's the aspect of like, do you want to
be drafted just simply because your dad wanted you drafted
when you could have been signed as an unrestricted free agent.
On the other hand, it's really really cool. It would
be very cool to draft Bronnie James and have Lebron James,
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who just set the all time scoring market in NBA history,
in your roster, and it would be a It would
be a hey, we take care of our Lakers. We
take care of our guys, even though most people I
know don't consider him a Laker. What do you think,
Jason Stewart?
Speaker 3 (06:20):
I think that you've kind of changed my mind on this.
The only reason you do it, you should do it,
is for business reasons. Drafting Bronny is going to put
butts in seats for next season. I think that will
be a draw. But to your point, if you could
just sign him as a free agent doesn't matter. And
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then it just goes back to what you just said,
is is it a blow to the ego that Lebron
James would have a son that wasn't drafted and the
Lakers want to placate just that aspect of his ego.
If this isn't a basketball thing and it's purely a
business thing and they could just sign him anyways, it's
interesting the points that you bring up. You've changed my
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mind on this. I think the answer to the question
I thought was, yeah, you do draft him for business reasons.
I think it's a draw. I think it'll be interesting.
But you're right if you could just wait a few
more picks until the draft ends and then sign him
to paper, what's the difference.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
I was sayim, what do you think.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
You know?
Speaker 4 (07:26):
If you're going to draft a guy who only averaged
a couple of points and he's a young man, I'd
say it's a waste of a pick. If you can
get him as a free agent, fine, I don't know
if I agree with Jason that's gonna put butts in seats.
It's kind of like Caitlin Clark debate. Put her on
the Olympic team or not that will put butts in
seats and she can play, So I don't know if
it'll put butts in seats if you draft Brownie and
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I don't know if he can play, so if you're
going to use a pick on him, I think it's
a waste.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
So we where are we in this one? Only Jason
says for business purposes? I actually think Jason makes a
really good point, right we are? You are in a
bus this and it becomes cool to say, you know,
if you drive somebody who has the symbol for boron
their last name and you're like, I don't know who
that is. I do think there's a business element of
it that we may I don't think he puts the
single button seats. I agree with that.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
I think it'll be a TV spectacle the first time
Bronni would check into a game, and then after that
it's over.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Yea yeah. And my point wasn't, as Sam pointed out, like,
this isn't because it's a Caitlin Clark thing. It's not
his basketball ability that would make somebody go to the arena.
It is I have a chance to see Lebron play
with his son, and I think it would.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
But but do you think it's a novelty that would
wear off? Like Dan said very quickly.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Absolutely, yeah, but the first time maybe that first time that.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Who But don't people go to the like the Lakers
are likely going to add one additional player. They have
JJ Redick as their coach, like there's always and Lebron
James and Anthony Davis play for them, Like are there
empty seats anyway?
Speaker 3 (08:59):
No? No, you're right, But so I don't be from
a just a metaphorical standpoint, I think there'll be a
little bit more interest. How about that? A bump in
interest to see what Bronnie played with his death.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Yeah, I just I mean, do we really need do
we really need to fulfill the ego of Lebron James
and draft his son, Like that's what it all feels like.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
And I don't know if you could get meaningful basketball
where Bronnie and Lebron are playing together and somehow winning,
that would make it amazing. But I don't know if
that's gonna be the case. And again, like he's not
that developed as a basketball player, and what if he
goes in there and he just it's like the towel
boy part in with a water boy where the tawleboy
from Michigan goes in and just gets closed lined. I'm
not saying that's gonna happen, but you know, I don't know.
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He might be he might be completely out of water
going in there.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
I had heard somebody say that it would make that
would make people watch the G League, and I'm like,
I didn't watch USC. Why would I watch the.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
G The women at USC drew better than the men,
like Juju Watkins is more of a must see. Yeah,
so I don't Again, I think this is more now
social media probably, you know, but I don't think that's
the real world. I think the real world told you
with USC, Yeah, they don't see it. I could be wrong,
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and I'll be interested that with today, with the ratings
today and how much people watch, because he's really one
of you know, two or three guys. But he's the
only real reason you would watch today if you're into
that sort of thing, if you're into the drama. Otherwise
you're in the real basketball players. But I don't know
second round of NBA Draft that's gonna be. It feels
like it's gonna be a hard watch.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Am I thought of at one who's like completely confused
by Rich rich Paul's play here. Like Rich Paul, what
he came out with those weird comments last week about
I could force the Lakers to draft them at seventeen.
He had his client, who he's supposed to be most
concerned about, only work out for one team and then
the Suns. Why wouldn't you want all the teams to
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see him? Like? And then this play where he's like
they're not a package deal, and like, I just I think,
looking back, we're gonna look at those comments Rich Paul
made last week, or maybe through through a reporter or
and be like, what exactly was going on there? Like
there's something going on we don't know about.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
No, there's not. I think there's no. There was no
interest there, and so he was trying to drum up
some leverage. I'm sure the Laker's sitting there going like
why we draft this guy? I was like, well, you know,
there's lots of other people interested who you know. So
that's why he names Toronto and Dallas, which is like, okay,
you know, Toronto's not taking him at thirty one, not happening.
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Dallas isn't drafting me either, and especially not if they're
not a package deal. I just think he was. He
was he was grasping at straws to try and get
some sort of leverage. And I don't believe anybody bites
on that, but I could be wrong.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
One other thing, just to let you know, for those
that are driving and maybe can't see it because the
TV screen's not in front of them, this is a
studio set up for the second round. ESPN is not
at the Barclay Center. There are not people, there's no
there's not a the stage that they used last night.
In fact, they have a looks like a faux green
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room with some second Round prospects that are sitting there
that overlooks, you know, whatever river the ESPN studios are on.
So this is a hey, a made for TV, but
it is not walking up on the big stage like
we saw last night, like you would the NFL Draft
using it for three days. This is apparently taking place
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in ESPN studios in New York City.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Yeah. That's uh, that's super interesting that that's what they've
chosen to do, a made for TV broadcast at what
what is that? I don't know if people watch. On
the other hand, I don't know if people actually like
the spectacle. Does that like the NFL Draft is a spectacle.
I don't know if the Barclay Center is the spectacle.
You want to be right? It always it's always been cool,
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but it seems a little less cool now. I don't
know why.
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You want Artua and the Dolphins. Let's go to Artula
and the Dolphins update. So Tua Tongue of Iloa, who
of course has has lost a bunch of weight. I
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don't know did he say if he if he did
ozepic or or what happened there?
Speaker 6 (14:14):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (14:15):
But Tua, of course is uh uh uh. Their Their
contract talks, by all estimations, have hit some sort of
an impasse. Tua admitted in the spring that he's growing
impatient with the Miami Dolphins. One reason for the hold
up is the Dolphins have yet or offer their quarterback
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a deal comparable to Jared Golf or to Trevor Lawrence.
Jeff Darlington reported on NFL Live. I saw this. It's complicated.
I'm not saying it won't get done, but right now
there's five words that are looming over his contract negotiation.
The market is the market? What does that mean? You
(14:56):
know what? What? What does that mean? Look, I'll tell you
what it means to me. I just at some point
somebody's gonna have to go like, yeah no, yeah no.
Why won't the Dolphins say yeah no? They did stand
by him when you know, when you go back and
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and Flores didn't like him, wanted to move off Froim
as a quarterback. This front office is the front office
that drafted him, and he as a coach who at
least publicly has completely and totally backed him. But there's
obvious limitations and there's been injuries in the past, some
massive arm strength issues, I don't know, Like, I don't
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understand why there's this need to you have to cower
to a guy's whims that he wants to be among
the highest paid quarterbacks in the NFL when he's not well.
I don't believe one of the elite quarterbacks in the NFL.
I think he's good. I want to have him, but
I also think he's replaceable. I don't understand it. I
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understand a lot of things about business, but this is like,
you know, you walk into a house and like, well,
you know that all the comps are telling you this.
These homes are a million dollar plus, Like, yeah, this
is not a million dollar home, but you have to
pay a million dollars. It's like, yeah, I can get
a similar home kind of cheaply. Red Bull gives you Wings.
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Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Uh, presidential
debate tonight. Are we fired up for this? Are we
excited for this?
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (16:34):
I mean no, Oh.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
I think it'll be fascinating theater. I'm gonna hang on
every single word. It's a mess, Yeah, it'll be a mess.
They try to mitigate the mess a little bit. You know,
they're shutting off mics and there's no home, you know,
there's no crowd to distract everything.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
So I mean basically you're looking to see like if
Trump will say something crazy and if sleepy Joe will
fall asleep. I've always thought I've just always thought that
this one thing, like, look, the guys, he's old, right.
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But what's interesting about it is I've always been fascinated
by the Democrats and their positioning of it, Like instead
of fighting back that he's old, just go like, yeah,
he's old and maybe a little bit the struggles a
little bit with old guy syndrome, but he still wins
the debates, right, whereas they just the Republicans is like, well,
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he's just really old like he is. There's no question.
I mean we have we are what seven eight years
removed from when Trump was talking about the size of
his hands in relation to the size I mean that
that was really part of granted that was a Republican debate,
but it was really part of the debate series with
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Republicans back the first time he was elected, Like.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
His hands are they small hands?
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Is this really happening? This is really happening, And it
is definitely this is as close to Springer as anything
currently on TV. You're gonna watch and you'll tell me
like that I didn't watch. It is a guilty pleasure.
John Middlecoff joins us here Three and Out is the podcast.
You're gonna watch the debate today?
Speaker 6 (18:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Yeah, you're waiting to see if Trump says something crazy
and if Joe falls asleep. Right, That's that's pretty much
watching for.
Speaker 6 (18:36):
I mean, I think Donald's gonna be a little more
mellow this time around. And I think Joe, I mean,
let's say it, Joe's hold him on for your life
right now.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
He is, but he's also pretty. He's a career politician
and he's a pretty He's pretty good in this format usually,
so that that part's going to be interesting. And I'm
interesting to see if they can get control over over Trump.
Like they all say they're going to kill their mic,
but we'll see if they kill their mike. He's got
so many good memes out there. The wrong that one
out there, it'll be it'll be fastening Tua versus the Dolphins.
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Did the Dolphins hold firm or do they cave at
some point?
Speaker 6 (19:11):
I mean, I don't see why they wouldn't hold firm.
I mean, wouldn't you. I can't rush into that. I mean,
I thought what Trevor got given his performance last year
with border line and singing, and I think every team
in the league with a Trevor Lawrence over Toua. So
I don't know. I think that number probably ratted some
people because the guarantee number was so much higher than
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gone and I think that to a thing. I don't know, man,
I mean, the head coach did not draft him, you know,
the owners a little little nuts, but he has to
be looking around and going, we're going to invest two
hundred plus million dollars in a guy that can't beat
the other two hundred million dollar guys when it matters.
That's the problem. They just have this dynamic of the
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weather and I just don't think that's going away at
all with a average arm quarterback, right, I mean that's
I understand. They play in a beautiful place, but the
best teams do not. And as we team, they go
on the road, they have no chance. You know, last
year was had to be a pretty embarrassing fall for them, right,
I mean they were running circles around the Bills at
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one time, weren't they like eight or nine and one
or nine and two. The Bills were six and six,
and then the dust settles and the Bills are hosting
the Chiefs in the second round, and the Dolphins didn't
win the division and they're gone in the first round,
so it's it clipped on them fast. And after that
last whatever four or five game stretch of the season,
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I would just play it out. I feel like that
used to happen more in sports, play it out, and
now everyone maybe it's obviously there was way less money
like when we were kids, so that you always waited
to the last possible moment. Now they don't need to
do that. But I start think playing it out it's
the craziest thing ever. Two was a fifth pick. It's
not like you may one hundred thousand dollars a year.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
I don't understand why you wouldn't do that as well,
but teams, for the most part haven't done that. All right,
Brandan Ayuk, what happens there?
Speaker 6 (21:13):
Well, I feel for john Lynchakushynahan. They're on vacation and
because this guy spends too much time on social media,
he needs a meeting in person in Santa Clara. Like Brandon,
this is not college, this is the big league. You've
been in it for four or five years. I give
them credit for sucking it up and talking like what
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are they going to say? Bro, we liked it? You
stop reading social media. This is negotiation. This isn't easy.
We don't just hand out money. Remember when you know
we went till the end of training camp with Nick Bosa,
who's way better than you and way more important than you, Like,
this is what do you want us to do? So
I these receivers and Brandon's a good player, he's a
winning player, but they all kind of have some of
(21:57):
that little NBA tendency. It's all about me and my feelings, Like, bro,
this is They're not just going to hand you money.
That's not really the way the forty nine ers work.
And the reality is the public opinion. Whether you may
offer you twenty six and a half and you want
twenty nine, Like, no one really cares, right, So it's
not like people are going to be on your side necessarily.
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It's they're like, hey, we got an offer seventy plus
million guaranteed twenty six and a half a year. You
think like you're going to have the Internet on your
back or something. I don't know, So I think the
forty nine ers, and this is where John Lynch comes in,
or just massaging these issues. You know, Debo was emotional
a couple of years ago. Now are you truly emotional?
I just think when you start calling meetings like, bro
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you're not Randy Mosses hearryt right here.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Yeah, I think that's comparison is the thief of joy right.
He compares himself to these other wide receivers getting paid
and wants to be that guy as well.
Speaker 6 (22:53):
And I think he's you know, he's done the right things.
He was a later first round pick, so he's got
a little ship on his shoulder. Feels like he doesn't
get the respect in general. Right, He's been productive the
last couple of years. He's been really good once Brock
came in. But the forty nine ers are like, well,
we're paying McCaffery, it's better than you less, and what
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we're offering you Trent Williams, who is way better than you,
makes it n eighteen million dollars a year. So it's like, hey, buddy,
I mean, we're not just giving you the bank account
to you know, the wiring number to Jed York's number,
and you picked the number, that's not really how it works,
and it's clearly rattled him. And I think the forty
nine ers I used Lucky. This is not Belichick or
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Parcels and one of these old school guys, because I
just think they would have been like, bro, you can
give me a call. But I'm not. I don't know
if I'm John Linton on in San Diego flying home
to just tell you I like you. I can't respond
to every Twitter rumor. And here's here's the other thing
you were. If you were quote unquote available, the market spoke,
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they didn't trade you. No one else broke you off.
So it's like this just I think the Niners have
some leverage here, you know, And I think that bothers in.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Stut Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Tradio, I agree
with you, the Niners do have have some leverage. I
agree with you. It is bothership, all right. A little
bit closer to home in terms of where I am.
The Green Bay Packers have a quarterback. He's now engaged,
and we talked a little bit about the timing of that.
Let's just get to that first. Okay, if you know
(24:27):
you're going to get paid, you know you're going to
get a big contract. Do you ask her before or
after you get the contract?
Speaker 6 (24:39):
I think when you're in love, Doug, you don't even
worry about that. You just you just do it when
the time's right. The other thing is your off season.
You're off season, right, so you kind of got to
plan those couple of weeks after OTAs because we know
these contracts sometimes they bleed in the training camp and
I think I saw some of the pictures. They looked
(24:59):
pretty cool. I don't know where he was, but somewhere
in Europe. And you can't pull that off at lambeau Field,
you know, in the middle of logust when they're riding back.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
You can. But he didn't do the cheese ball. He
didn't do it on the on the jumbo tron. Right
they got a new video board up there. He didn't.
He didn't do that, So he did it overseas. Uh Okay,
what would you if if you're Mark Murphy, you're the
outgoing president, you're Brian goodiknst. What's the number you'd feel
comfortable with?
Speaker 6 (25:27):
Well? I would. I'd be offering right now if I
was really bullish on him, which clearly they are. You know,
kind of a Cousins range, and then I'm just hoping
to get to If I'm Jordan Love, I probably turned
that down and then I do like seven eight games.
If I prouse myself, then I get my enormous contract,
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which is kind of what I think ends up happening,
is that maybe it goes in the seasons and keeps falling.
Then he gets a lot of money. Because if you
were Jordan Love right now, you would obviously have a
lot of confidence. There's some risk. I mean, it's the NFL.
Things can change rapidly fast, and they throw one hundred
million dollars in front of you. I don't care who
you are unless you're Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen you
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started whatever seventeen games in your career, eighteen. I guess
in the playoff game that'd be hard. But you know,
I would imagine the agent, people around him, and even
teammates like, bro, we're gonna be pretty Goodt's let's let's
play this thing out, you know, just through October. And
if we're six and two and you you're averaging two
and a half three touchdowns per game, you look like
(26:32):
Aaron Rodgers, Like we did down the stretch.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Are you at a pool party? Are you a trampoline park?
Where are you?
Speaker 6 (26:40):
Where I'm at is I'm at the gym? But I
went outside and there's a pool outside, and there's amount
of little kids. So we gotta we've gotta locked up.
But I'm upstairs. But the sounds kind of flowing to me.
I know this, I know this. I'd rather have it
right now now. It's risky, But if I was the
betting man, I would take Jordan Love for the next
(27:02):
five years when the tremor of the ark.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Okay, so if you can pay him now, why not
pay him now?
Speaker 6 (27:07):
Yeah, but you're gonna pay Are you gonna give Jordan
Love for a million dollars based on a game? There
is still risk in that.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
I agree, But again I guess it depends. But you've
seen if you're the Packers, you've seen him. You've seen
him for a couple of years. You know how he operates,
you know, you know what the strengths are, you know
what the weaknesses are. You you should know him better
than anybody else. I'm with you, like I'm I'm a
play it out guy. I would rather I'd rather pay
(27:36):
a little bit more and be completely sure. This is
like not just test driving the car, Like I don't
want to do a test drive, I want to take
it home for a week and drive around. It's completely different.
Speaker 6 (27:46):
If he plays like he did down the stretch, like
they're going to be competing with the Lions and the
Niners as the best team in the NFC. Yeah, the defense,
especially their defense is just you know, slightly improved.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
It couldn't couldn't be much much much worse throughout the season.
Although the defense, i mean the interceptions was what got
them the Dallas win, and they did a great job
for the most part against the Niners as well. All Right,
middle Cough, go cannonball in that pool. Send us a video.
We'll we'll tweet it out. Thanks for joining us. All
right to John middlecough from a from a pool party,
(28:21):
from a from a pool party. Hey, you know, here's
the thing that's interesting, Jase, do you can attest to
this because we grew up in relatively the same area.
Your area you grew up in was a little bit
warmer than where I grew up, but it was still
I was a little bit in lind Orange County. I
didn't like pools as a kid because no one heeded
their pool. Now, I know it sounds like a pool snob,
(28:42):
but part of it was like, I don't know, and
I'm sure you have to get to where it's really
really warm, when it's when it's hot, then you hop in.
It doesn't matter. But I just don't like pools below
like seventy degrees or seventy two degrees. I just that
that does nothing for me.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Yeah, that's a that's a different level. I would say this.
If you grew up where we did it, it was
easy to take pools for granted. In other words, I
think you got pretty complacent.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Did you have a pool?
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Yeah, I always had a pool, but I was less
likely to go in it unless a buddy was over
or something. You know, that pool was not used as
much as you think it would be.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
No, no pools are that's the That's the key here, kiddos.
When you're when you're going in house shopping, hot tubs
get used a lot, even if you have teenagers. Pools
they're more of a hazard. Rights as great. Pools are
great for little kids, but they're terrible for little kids
because you're scared they're gonna follow them. Right, So they're
I'm more hot tub than I am. Pool guy.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Yeah, you do this.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
You can do the spool thing well as well, which
is just like an oversized spa pool. Warm it up,
heat it up. You're welcome, like one of those Michael
philps spas A little bit, a little bit.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
We have a pond in the back.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
We have a pool and a pond.
Speaker 5 (29:54):
A pon would be good for you.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Yeah, pond would be good for you. Did I see
Tyler Cooley got drafted? Is that? I am? I seeing
that right there? Dan Byer buyer correct?
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Yeah, I said it's correct. Drafted by the Blazers at
number thirty four, but likely headed to the New York
Knicks in a trade, So Tyler Kohlik's feature.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Is likely to be in the Big Apple. What a
good pick.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Johnny Furfey just went to the San Antonio Spurs at
number thirty five.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Overall, it's a good pick as well. He really really
improved this year as a freshman with Kansas. But I man,
I like Colick a lot, and you put him, you
put him obviously, he's East Coast kid. You put him
with the Knicks with all those Villanova guys. I like that.
That's a good little that's a good little backup, or
uh a third string point guard if you will. Nobody
says strings. Hey, here's a question. Does anybody know why
(30:40):
we used to say string, like for quarterbacks that get
first dring, second string, third string? Do you know that buyer?
That sounds like something you I don't know, no, but
you did you know that expression? Right? Yeah? For sure? Yeah,
it's changed in the first team, second team, third team
or QB one, QB two, QB three. But we used
to say first string, second string, third string. Why did
(31:00):
we say string? Does anybody know?
Speaker 3 (31:02):
I'm reading a headline that I just googled them first string,
second string heralds from the days of Bows and Arrows.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
Oh, I thought it was like an orchestra. Think but
they say seat, they say first seat, first chair. I
should say first chair, second chair.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
So wow, I didn't know.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
That I meet me neither go on Jason with Bows
and Arrows. So the first string is the best string.
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Maybe this doesn't make sense to you. Guys in eighteen
ninety seven and Encyclopedia of Sports explain that first, second,
and third strings are the first, second, and third men
chosen to represent a club in any event.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
I did not know that archery archery weird, wacky, weird,
wacky wild stuff.
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Speaker 2 (32:55):
Byers, Doug, we have a story just coming in within
the past twenty minutes.
Speaker 6 (33:00):
Or so.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
A jury in the Central District of California has ruled
that the NFL violated anti trust laws with the NFL
Sunday ticket package, ordering the league to pay fans four
billion dollars in damages. The class action lawsuit brought against
the league by bars and restaurants and subscribers, claimed the
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league inflated the cost of the package. Reports that the
NFL is likely to appeal the ruling, possibly all the
way to the Supreme Court.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Four billion dollars.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Four billion dollars. They were asking for seven billion in
damages but received four billion dollars. And this is a
lot of it is based on testimony from Robert Craft
of the Patriots, who did reveal that ESPN had offered
seventy a seventy dollars proposal for the Sunday ticket. They
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also found out during this case that Roger Goodell argued
that Sunday tickets should be a premium product that wasn't
intended to end up in everybody's living room. Was the
words that the front office Sports was using. But there
was an option out there when the Sunday ticket bidding
came up to possibly put every game on a cable channel,
(34:20):
so you could turn to like we see in the
NCAA tournament TNT, True TV TBS that would have been
done as one of the options for Sunday ticket in
the NFL said, nope, we want to put it beyond
this paywall. And this paywall is going to be three
hundred and fifty dollars, not just seventy dollars. ESPN By
the way, I also wanted to give a team only
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package that the NFL declined to take advantage of.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
I don't understand why they're libel for four billion dollars,
So I don't know. I don't know enough about the
legalities up That sounds fascinating billion dollars when when the
concussion lawsuit was less than two go ahead.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
How does one inflate like the cost or price or
value of something when like there's no barometer to.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
I don't know. It's a great point. I don't know
what the answer is, truly don't know the answers. Does
anybody know the answer is?
Speaker 2 (35:19):
What's your question? Say that again, like.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
How do you inflate I'll do it. How do you
inflate a price when there is no like there's no
set price.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
I mean like people will pay what you said it
at and if they don't, then you lower.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
It, right, Yeah, I guess if they're saying that people
will pay three hundred and forty nine dollars, then why
are we selling this for seventy dollars.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Yes, that's exactly what happened. But I don't. But again,
I don't understand the legalies out of it, so you know,
I don't pretend to, so I just don't. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Jason, did you have anything on this?
Speaker 3 (35:54):
I got nothing. I'm I think with the uh, I
think the verdict was supposed to come down this way
because what you said at the end of your report
was what I've read that the NFL is going to
take this the entire way to the Supreme Court. So
it was almost like they were assuming this was not
going to go their way. But it's interesting. Somebody tried
(36:15):
to put it on my radar the other day. I
thought it was Sam, and I'm like, this doesn't seem
interesting to me, and you're getting in the weeds of
cost and market and the NFL. But now that there's
a verdict, I'm it's piqued my interest here.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
I do think that it is interesting that one of
the things fans have clamored for is the team option. Yeah,
and that the NFL said, no, we're not going to
do that. We're not going to do that for you fans.
And I would think I'm just guessing, but I don't
know if it's sixfold that you would get more subscribers
(36:53):
than you would of the current plan. But at seventy dollars,
it sure seems like that would be appealing to a
lot more football fans than the three hundred and forty
nine that you're paying. Like, I think that you could
be like, hey, you live in southern California, you're a
Jaguars fan. Find six Jaguars fans I would sign up
(37:16):
that wouldn't normally do. So, then you're making more money
if you're the NFL, if you're getting four hundred and
twenty dollars as opposed to you know, the three hundred
and fifty dollars, I guess all you would need is
five dollars.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
There are five people to see you guys gets any ticket?
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Did I did not this year?
Speaker 3 (37:33):
I did not.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
I did. It was expensive with with YouTube TV.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
But I am also you know on the air here, Yeah,
for you I'm not sure it makes sense. I just
come in early, watch the game.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
It's just got to work.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
But that opens another question that I know we don't
have the answer to. But who's getting paid? Are the
customers that had it over a certain amount of time
and it was like sixteen dollars a customer.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Restaurant, a bar, and the subscribers that apparently joined the
class action lawsuit.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Oh okay, there you go.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
Everyone gets eighty cents.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
They gotta be more than that.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
That would be funny.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
So they said that the seven billion in damages would
be tripled by federal law to twenty one billion. So
I don't know if this will be tripled to twelve
but that's a lot of money. Could still be a
ways away from the resolution. And that's the one story press.
Speaker 5 (38:24):
They get out there and pressed. That was the press.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
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Part two, which is opposite the uh presidential debate, I
(00:45):
mean the presidential base right now? Oh, the draft just
started this right, Okay, my time zones are screwed up
a little bit. So yeah, really last night it was
at seven o'clock, seven o'clock, you know, I thought it
was a nightly event. So now we're trying to figure
(01:06):
out if the Lakers are going to draft Ronnie James.
So let me just throw it out to thirty, right,
didn't get drafted last night. Lakers though, have that fifty
fifth pick. There was all the pulaver. I love that word.
What a great word. All the polaver about Ronnie James
from Rich Paul, his agent as to oh, he could
go to Toronto, he could go to Dallas. He's not.
(01:28):
No one's taking him sight unseen. He's only worked out
for the Suns and for the Lakers. Andy Katz joined
his last hour and he's like, look, tell me if
this makes sense. They draft Dalton Connect, who's a refined,
finished product ready to play. I agree. I like Dalton Connect.
I don't think he's a starter. I think he's a
bench player. But he can come in and make shots
right away like that. Dude can score. I'm not sure
(01:49):
you can guard. But that's not really the point with
where he's drafted and what they needed, and they want
guys that can play. I like that. The issue is
that it's different playing with Lebron now as opposed to
playing with Lebron ten years ago. Ten years ago, you
could hide a guy who's not a great defender, because
Lebron was a plus defender as well as a great
offensive player and a great passer. Now that's that's not
(02:10):
as much the case in terms of Lebron at the
defensive end at this stage in his career. So the
question becomes, if you're if you're the Lakers, should you
draft Bronnie James? Should you draft Brinnie James? This is
(02:32):
not will they? This is should they? Not will they?
But should they? And my answer is no, I don't
believe anyone else is going to draft Bronnie James. I don't.
You can still acquire Bronnie James through you know, free agency,
(02:55):
and by the way, you can kind of control whatever
you want to control. I wouldn't if someone's not going
to draft him, and if you get to fifty five,
no one's gonna. I don't think anybody's gonna draft him anyway. One.
I don't think in truth, he's an NBA prospect at
this point in time, you know, I just don't. Additionally,
the likelihood of him wanting to play with anyone that
(03:17):
his dad isn't playing for. I don't think his dad
is leaving Los Angeles. They just hired JJ Reddick. I think,
you know, there's really not a lot of leverage for
Lebron to leave LA anyway. They just hired, just hired.
JJ Reddick, who whether or not he's hand picked, it
feels like he's the handpick coach for Lebron James. He's
(03:38):
building a gigantic new house, he has one kid in
high school, one in elementary school. Like, he's not moving,
so there's not a lot of leverage there. And then
you draft a veteran player who can play, Like, why
would we waste to pick on a guy that no
one else is going to draft when we can get
him as an unrestricted free agent? And oh yeah, by
the way, if most guys you don't draft him, you're like, well,
(03:59):
anyone could him? Why would anybody else sign him? Doesn't
make any sense. So I would not draft him for
that reason, Dan Byer, what would you do?
Speaker 2 (04:10):
I wouldn't draft him either, Doug. I just if if
Lebron James is a twenty year member of the Cleveland
Cavaliers and the Cavaliers were on the clock, or maybe
a twenty year member of the Los Angeles Lakers, Uh,
then I can then I could see something like that.
I just it just yeah, I don't. I don't love it.
(04:35):
They you know, he put out a highlight video. I
actually felt bad about this of Lebron and Bryce and
and Lebronni doing a workout, and you've said it all
along that you know, Bryce is the better prospect and
and it showed.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
In that I don't think. I don't think Bryce is
a better prosser.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Oh okay, I'm sorry, Okay, I just didn't want to
put word put word G in your mouth than I mean.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
I've heard that said before. I don't. I don't think
I've ever commented on I've just shard Bryce is. He's
he's more athletic. He's also taller, but he's he hasn't
played nearly as much basketball. So there's like I've heard
that Bryce has been put in some situations where it's like, man,
he doesn't really belong because he's just not at that
level yet. Whereas Bronnie was he's always been about, you know,
(05:19):
the highest level of au and he's always and he
actually kind of came back down to earth, whereas the
Bryce thing is kind of a new thing. But anyway,
go ahead them.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
I thought on the video Bryce looked better and maybe
because he was bigger.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Yeah, he's bigger and he can do, you know, do
more things in a one un none sort of video.
He's just more athletic because he jumps out at you.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Yeah, and so I didn't think that it did Brownie
any favors in that regard.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Yeah, probably small too. You know, Bryce isn't huge, and
obviously Lebron is a fully grown man. Bryce is small too.
Then there's the aspect of like, do you want to
be drafted just simply because your dad wanted you drafted
when you could have been signed as an unrestricted free agent.
On the other hand, it's really really cool. It would
be very cool to draft Bronnie James and have Lebron James,
(06:04):
who just set the all time scoring market in NBA history,
in your roster, and it would be a It would
be a hey, we take care of our Lakers. We
take care of our guys, even though most people I
know don't consider him a Laker. What do you think,
Jason Stewart?
Speaker 3 (06:20):
I think that you've kind of changed my mind on this.
The only reason you do it, you should do it,
is for business reasons. Drafting Bronny is going to put
butts in seats for next season. I think that will
be a draw. But to your point, if you could
just sign him as a free agent doesn't matter. And
(06:41):
then it just goes back to what you just said,
is is it a blow to the ego that Lebron
James would have a son that wasn't drafted and the
Lakers want to placate just that aspect of his ego.
If this isn't a basketball thing and it's purely a
business thing and they could just sign him anyways, it's
interesting the points that you bring up. You've changed my
(07:03):
mind on this. I think the answer to the question
I thought was, yeah, you do draft him for business reasons.
I think it's a draw. I think it'll be interesting.
But you're right if you could just wait a few
more picks until the draft ends and then sign him
to paper, what's the difference.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
I was sayim, what do you think.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
You know?
Speaker 4 (07:26):
If you're going to draft a guy who only averaged
a couple of points and he's a young man, I'd
say it's a waste of a pick. If you can
get him as a free agent, fine, I don't know
if I agree with Jason that's gonna put butts in seats.
It's kind of like Caitlin Clark debate. Put her on
the Olympic team or not that will put butts in
seats and she can play, So I don't know if
it'll put butts in seats if you draft Brownie and
(07:46):
I don't know if he can play, so if you're
going to use a pick on him, I think it's
a waste.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
So we where are we in this one? Only Jason
says for business purposes? I actually think Jason makes a
really good point, right we are? You are in a
bus this and it becomes cool to say, you know,
if you drive somebody who has the symbol for boron
their last name and you're like, I don't know who
that is. I do think there's a business element of
it that we may I don't think he puts the
single button seats. I agree with that.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
I think it'll be a TV spectacle the first time
Bronni would check into a game, and then after that
it's over.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Yea yeah. And my point wasn't, as Sam pointed out, like,
this isn't because it's a Caitlin Clark thing. It's not
his basketball ability that would make somebody go to the arena.
It is I have a chance to see Lebron play
with his son, and I think it would.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
But but do you think it's a novelty that would
wear off? Like Dan said very quickly.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Absolutely, yeah, but the first time maybe that first time that.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Who But don't people go to the like the Lakers
are likely going to add one additional player. They have
JJ Redick as their coach, like there's always and Lebron
James and Anthony Davis play for them, Like are there
empty seats anyway?
Speaker 3 (08:59):
No? No, you're right, But so I don't be from
a just a metaphorical standpoint, I think there'll be a
little bit more interest. How about that? A bump in
interest to see what Bronnie played with his death.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Yeah, I just I mean, do we really need do
we really need to fulfill the ego of Lebron James
and draft his son, Like that's what it all feels like.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
And I don't know if you could get meaningful basketball
where Bronnie and Lebron are playing together and somehow winning,
that would make it amazing. But I don't know if
that's gonna be the case. And again, like he's not
that developed as a basketball player, and what if he
goes in there and he just it's like the towel
boy part in with a water boy where the tawleboy
from Michigan goes in and just gets closed lined. I'm
not saying that's gonna happen, but you know, I don't know.
(09:46):
He might be he might be completely out of water
going in there.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
I had heard somebody say that it would make that
would make people watch the G League, and I'm like,
I didn't watch USC. Why would I watch the.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
G The women at USC drew better than the men,
like Juju Watkins is more of a must see. Yeah,
so I don't Again, I think this is more now
social media probably, you know, but I don't think that's
the real world. I think the real world told you
with USC, Yeah, they don't see it. I could be wrong,
(10:23):
and I'll be interested that with today, with the ratings
today and how much people watch, because he's really one
of you know, two or three guys. But he's the
only real reason you would watch today if you're into
that sort of thing, if you're into the drama. Otherwise
you're in the real basketball players. But I don't know
second round of NBA Draft that's gonna be. It feels
like it's gonna be a hard watch.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Am I thought of at one who's like completely confused
by Rich rich Paul's play here. Like Rich Paul, what
he came out with those weird comments last week about
I could force the Lakers to draft them at seventeen.
He had his client, who he's supposed to be most
concerned about, only work out for one team and then
the Suns. Why wouldn't you want all the teams to
(11:04):
see him? Like? And then this play where he's like
they're not a package deal, and like, I just I think,
looking back, we're gonna look at those comments Rich Paul
made last week, or maybe through through a reporter or
and be like, what exactly was going on there? Like
there's something going on we don't know about.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
No, there's not. I think there's no. There was no
interest there, and so he was trying to drum up
some leverage. I'm sure the Laker's sitting there going like
why we draft this guy? I was like, well, you know,
there's lots of other people interested who you know. So
that's why he names Toronto and Dallas, which is like, okay,
you know, Toronto's not taking him at thirty one, not happening.
(11:44):
Dallas isn't drafting me either, and especially not if they're
not a package deal. I just think he was. He
was he was grasping at straws to try and get
some sort of leverage. And I don't believe anybody bites
on that, but I could be wrong.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
One other thing, just to let you know, for those
that are driving and maybe can't see it because the
TV screen's not in front of them, this is a
studio set up for the second round. ESPN is not
at the Barclay Center. There are not people, there's no
there's not a the stage that they used last night.
In fact, they have a looks like a faux green
(12:19):
room with some second Round prospects that are sitting there
that overlooks, you know, whatever river the ESPN studios are on.
So this is a hey, a made for TV, but
it is not walking up on the big stage like
we saw last night, like you would the NFL Draft
using it for three days. This is apparently taking place
(12:40):
in ESPN studios in New York City.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Yeah. That's uh, that's super interesting that that's what they've
chosen to do, a made for TV broadcast at what
what is that? I don't know if people watch. On
the other hand, I don't know if people actually like
the spectacle. Does that like the NFL Draft is a spectacle.
I don't know if the Barclay Center is the spectacle.
You want to be right? It always it's always been cool,
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but it seems a little less cool now. I don't
know why.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
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It's pretty good. Pretty pretty good. Is Doug olumb Show
here on Fox Sports Radio. So Tua and the Dolphins.
You want Artua and the Dolphins. Let's go to Artula
and the Dolphins update. So Tua Tongue of Iloa, who
of course has has lost a bunch of weight. I
(14:10):
don't know did he say if he if he did
ozepic or or what happened there?
Speaker 6 (14:14):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (14:15):
But Tua, of course is uh uh uh. Their Their
contract talks, by all estimations, have hit some sort of
an impasse. Tua admitted in the spring that he's growing
impatient with the Miami Dolphins. One reason for the hold
up is the Dolphins have yet or offer their quarterback
(14:35):
a deal comparable to Jared Golf or to Trevor Lawrence.
Jeff Darlington reported on NFL Live. I saw this. It's complicated.
I'm not saying it won't get done, but right now
there's five words that are looming over his contract negotiation.
The market is the market? What does that mean? You
(14:56):
know what? What? What does that mean? Look, I'll tell you
what it means to me. I just at some point
somebody's gonna have to go like, yeah no, yeah no.
Why won't the Dolphins say yeah no? They did stand
by him when you know, when you go back and
(15:20):
and Flores didn't like him, wanted to move off Froim
as a quarterback. This front office is the front office
that drafted him, and he as a coach who at
least publicly has completely and totally backed him. But there's
obvious limitations and there's been injuries in the past, some
massive arm strength issues, I don't know, Like, I don't
(15:42):
understand why there's this need to you have to cower
to a guy's whims that he wants to be among
the highest paid quarterbacks in the NFL when he's not well.
I don't believe one of the elite quarterbacks in the NFL.
I think he's good. I want to have him, but
I also think he's replaceable. I don't understand it. I
(16:02):
understand a lot of things about business, but this is like,
you know, you walk into a house and like, well,
you know that all the comps are telling you this.
These homes are a million dollar plus, Like, yeah, this
is not a million dollar home, but you have to
pay a million dollars. It's like, yeah, I can get
a similar home kind of cheaply. Red Bull gives you Wings.
(16:23):
Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Uh, presidential
debate tonight. Are we fired up for this? Are we
excited for this?
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (16:34):
I mean no, Oh.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
I think it'll be fascinating theater. I'm gonna hang on
every single word. It's a mess, Yeah, it'll be a mess.
They try to mitigate the mess a little bit. You know,
they're shutting off mics and there's no home, you know,
there's no crowd to distract everything.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
So I mean basically you're looking to see like if
Trump will say something crazy and if sleepy Joe will
fall asleep. I've always thought I've just always thought that
this one thing, like, look, the guys, he's old, right.
(17:15):
But what's interesting about it is I've always been fascinated
by the Democrats and their positioning of it, Like instead
of fighting back that he's old, just go like, yeah,
he's old and maybe a little bit the struggles a
little bit with old guy syndrome, but he still wins
the debates, right, whereas they just the Republicans is like, well,
(17:37):
he's just really old like he is. There's no question.
I mean we have we are what seven eight years
removed from when Trump was talking about the size of
his hands in relation to the size I mean that
that was really part of granted that was a Republican debate,
but it was really part of the debate series with
(17:59):
Republicans back the first time he was elected, Like.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
His hands are they small hands?
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Is this really happening? This is really happening, And it
is definitely this is as close to Springer as anything
currently on TV. You're gonna watch and you'll tell me
like that I didn't watch. It is a guilty pleasure.
John Middlecoff joins us here Three and Out is the podcast.
You're gonna watch the debate today?
Speaker 6 (18:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Yeah, you're waiting to see if Trump says something crazy
and if Joe falls asleep. Right, That's that's pretty much
watching for.
Speaker 6 (18:36):
I mean, I think Donald's gonna be a little more
mellow this time around. And I think Joe, I mean,
let's say it, Joe's hold him on for your life
right now.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
He is, but he's also pretty. He's a career politician
and he's a pretty He's pretty good in this format usually,
so that that part's going to be interesting. And I'm
interesting to see if they can get control over over Trump.
Like they all say they're going to kill their mic,
but we'll see if they kill their mike. He's got
so many good memes out there. The wrong that one
out there, it'll be it'll be fastening Tua versus the Dolphins.
(19:08):
Did the Dolphins hold firm or do they cave at
some point?
Speaker 6 (19:11):
I mean, I don't see why they wouldn't hold firm.
I mean, wouldn't you. I can't rush into that. I mean,
I thought what Trevor got given his performance last year
with border line and singing, and I think every team
in the league with a Trevor Lawrence over Toua. So
I don't know. I think that number probably ratted some
people because the guarantee number was so much higher than
(19:34):
gone and I think that to a thing. I don't know, man,
I mean, the head coach did not draft him, you know,
the owners a little little nuts, but he has to
be looking around and going, we're going to invest two
hundred plus million dollars in a guy that can't beat
the other two hundred million dollar guys when it matters.
That's the problem. They just have this dynamic of the
(19:57):
weather and I just don't think that's going away at
all with a average arm quarterback, right, I mean that's
I understand. They play in a beautiful place, but the
best teams do not. And as we team, they go
on the road, they have no chance. You know, last
year was had to be a pretty embarrassing fall for them, right,
I mean they were running circles around the Bills at
(20:19):
one time, weren't they like eight or nine and one
or nine and two. The Bills were six and six,
and then the dust settles and the Bills are hosting
the Chiefs in the second round, and the Dolphins didn't
win the division and they're gone in the first round,
so it's it clipped on them fast. And after that
last whatever four or five game stretch of the season,
(20:40):
I would just play it out. I feel like that
used to happen more in sports, play it out, and
now everyone maybe it's obviously there was way less money
like when we were kids, so that you always waited
to the last possible moment. Now they don't need to
do that. But I start think playing it out it's
the craziest thing ever. Two was a fifth pick. It's
not like you may one hundred thousand dollars a year.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
I don't understand why you wouldn't do that as well,
but teams, for the most part haven't done that. All right,
Brandan Ayuk, what happens there?
Speaker 6 (21:13):
Well, I feel for john Lynchakushynahan. They're on vacation and
because this guy spends too much time on social media,
he needs a meeting in person in Santa Clara. Like Brandon,
this is not college, this is the big league. You've
been in it for four or five years. I give
them credit for sucking it up and talking like what
(21:35):
are they going to say? Bro, we liked it? You
stop reading social media. This is negotiation. This isn't easy.
We don't just hand out money. Remember when you know
we went till the end of training camp with Nick Bosa,
who's way better than you and way more important than you, Like,
this is what do you want us to do? So
I these receivers and Brandon's a good player, he's a
winning player, but they all kind of have some of
(21:57):
that little NBA tendency. It's all about me and my feelings, Like, bro,
this is They're not just going to hand you money.
That's not really the way the forty nine ers work.
And the reality is the public opinion. Whether you may
offer you twenty six and a half and you want
twenty nine, Like, no one really cares, right, So it's
not like people are going to be on your side necessarily.
(22:18):
It's they're like, hey, we got an offer seventy plus
million guaranteed twenty six and a half a year. You
think like you're going to have the Internet on your
back or something. I don't know, So I think the
forty nine ers, and this is where John Lynch comes in,
or just massaging these issues. You know, Debo was emotional
a couple of years ago. Now are you truly emotional?
I just think when you start calling meetings like, bro
(22:41):
you're not Randy Mosses hearryt right here.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Yeah, I think that's comparison is the thief of joy right.
He compares himself to these other wide receivers getting paid
and wants to be that guy as well.
Speaker 6 (22:53):
And I think he's you know, he's done the right things.
He was a later first round pick, so he's got
a little ship on his shoulder. Feels like he doesn't
get the respect in general. Right, He's been productive the
last couple of years. He's been really good once Brock
came in. But the forty nine ers are like, well,
we're paying McCaffery, it's better than you less, and what
(23:13):
we're offering you Trent Williams, who is way better than you,
makes it n eighteen million dollars a year. So it's like, hey, buddy,
I mean, we're not just giving you the bank account
to you know, the wiring number to Jed York's number,
and you picked the number, that's not really how it works,
and it's clearly rattled him. And I think the forty
nine ers I used Lucky. This is not Belichick or
(23:34):
Parcels and one of these old school guys, because I
just think they would have been like, bro, you can
give me a call. But I'm not. I don't know
if I'm John Linton on in San Diego flying home
to just tell you I like you. I can't respond
to every Twitter rumor. And here's here's the other thing
you were. If you were quote unquote available, the market spoke,
(23:55):
they didn't trade you. No one else broke you off.
So it's like this just I think the Niners have
some leverage here, you know, And I think that bothers in.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Stut Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Tradio, I agree
with you, the Niners do have have some leverage. I
agree with you. It is bothership, all right. A little
bit closer to home in terms of where I am.
The Green Bay Packers have a quarterback. He's now engaged,
and we talked a little bit about the timing of that.
Let's just get to that first. Okay, if you know
(24:27):
you're going to get paid, you know you're going to
get a big contract. Do you ask her before or
after you get the contract?
Speaker 6 (24:39):
I think when you're in love, Doug, you don't even
worry about that. You just you just do it when
the time's right. The other thing is your off season.
You're off season, right, so you kind of got to
plan those couple of weeks after OTAs because we know
these contracts sometimes they bleed in the training camp and
I think I saw some of the pictures. They looked
(24:59):
pretty cool. I don't know where he was, but somewhere
in Europe. And you can't pull that off at lambeau Field,
you know, in the middle of logust when they're riding back.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
You can. But he didn't do the cheese ball. He
didn't do it on the on the jumbo tron. Right
they got a new video board up there. He didn't.
He didn't do that, So he did it overseas. Uh Okay,
what would you if if you're Mark Murphy, you're the
outgoing president, you're Brian goodiknst. What's the number you'd feel
comfortable with?
Speaker 6 (25:27):
Well? I would. I'd be offering right now if I
was really bullish on him, which clearly they are. You know,
kind of a Cousins range, and then I'm just hoping
to get to If I'm Jordan Love, I probably turned
that down and then I do like seven eight games.
If I prouse myself, then I get my enormous contract,
(25:49):
which is kind of what I think ends up happening,
is that maybe it goes in the seasons and keeps falling.
Then he gets a lot of money. Because if you
were Jordan Love right now, you would obviously have a
lot of confidence. There's some risk. I mean, it's the NFL.
Things can change rapidly fast, and they throw one hundred
million dollars in front of you. I don't care who
you are unless you're Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen you
(26:10):
started whatever seventeen games in your career, eighteen. I guess
in the playoff game that'd be hard. But you know,
I would imagine the agent, people around him, and even
teammates like, bro, we're gonna be pretty Goodt's let's let's
play this thing out, you know, just through October. And
if we're six and two and you you're averaging two
and a half three touchdowns per game, you look like
(26:32):
Aaron Rodgers, Like we did down the stretch.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Are you at a pool party? Are you a trampoline park?
Where are you?
Speaker 6 (26:40):
Where I'm at is I'm at the gym? But I
went outside and there's a pool outside, and there's amount
of little kids. So we gotta we've gotta locked up.
But I'm upstairs. But the sounds kind of flowing to me.
I know this, I know this. I'd rather have it
right now now. It's risky, But if I was the
betting man, I would take Jordan Love for the next
(27:02):
five years when the tremor of the ark.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Okay, so if you can pay him now, why not
pay him now?
Speaker 6 (27:07):
Yeah, but you're gonna pay Are you gonna give Jordan
Love for a million dollars based on a game? There
is still risk in that.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
I agree, But again I guess it depends. But you've
seen if you're the Packers, you've seen him. You've seen
him for a couple of years. You know how he operates,
you know, you know what the strengths are, you know
what the weaknesses are. You you should know him better
than anybody else. I'm with you, like I'm I'm a
play it out guy. I would rather I'd rather pay
(27:36):
a little bit more and be completely sure. This is
like not just test driving the car, Like I don't
want to do a test drive, I want to take
it home for a week and drive around. It's completely different.
Speaker 6 (27:46):
If he plays like he did down the stretch, like
they're going to be competing with the Lions and the
Niners as the best team in the NFC. Yeah, the defense,
especially their defense is just you know, slightly improved.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
It couldn't couldn't be much much much worse throughout the season.
Although the defense, i mean the interceptions was what got
them the Dallas win, and they did a great job
for the most part against the Niners as well. All Right,
middle Cough, go cannonball in that pool. Send us a video.
We'll we'll tweet it out. Thanks for joining us. All
right to John middlecough from a from a pool party,
(28:21):
from a from a pool party. Hey, you know, here's
the thing that's interesting, Jase, do you can attest to
this because we grew up in relatively the same area.
Your area you grew up in was a little bit
warmer than where I grew up, but it was still
I was a little bit in lind Orange County. I
didn't like pools as a kid because no one heeded
their pool. Now, I know it sounds like a pool snob,
(28:42):
but part of it was like, I don't know, and
I'm sure you have to get to where it's really
really warm, when it's when it's hot, then you hop in.
It doesn't matter. But I just don't like pools below
like seventy degrees or seventy two degrees. I just that
that does nothing for me.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Yeah, that's a that's a different level. I would say this.
If you grew up where we did it, it was
easy to take pools for granted. In other words, I
think you got pretty complacent.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Did you have a pool?
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Yeah, I always had a pool, but I was less
likely to go in it unless a buddy was over
or something. You know, that pool was not used as
much as you think it would be.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
No, no pools are that's the That's the key here, kiddos.
When you're when you're going in house shopping, hot tubs
get used a lot, even if you have teenagers. Pools
they're more of a hazard. Rights as great. Pools are
great for little kids, but they're terrible for little kids
because you're scared they're gonna follow them. Right, So they're
I'm more hot tub than I am. Pool guy.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Yeah, you do this.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
You can do the spool thing well as well, which
is just like an oversized spa pool. Warm it up,
heat it up. You're welcome, like one of those Michael
philps spas A little bit, a little bit.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
We have a pond in the back.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
We have a pool and a pond.
Speaker 5 (29:54):
A pon would be good for you.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Yeah, pond would be good for you. Did I see
Tyler Cooley got drafted? Is that? I am? I seeing
that right there? Dan Byer buyer correct?
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Yeah, I said it's correct. Drafted by the Blazers at
number thirty four, but likely headed to the New York
Knicks in a trade, So Tyler Kohlik's feature.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Is likely to be in the Big Apple. What a
good pick.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Johnny Furfey just went to the San Antonio Spurs at
number thirty five.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Overall, it's a good pick as well. He really really
improved this year as a freshman with Kansas. But I man,
I like Colick a lot, and you put him, you
put him obviously, he's East Coast kid. You put him
with the Knicks with all those Villanova guys. I like that.
That's a good little that's a good little backup, or
uh a third string point guard if you will. Nobody
says strings. Hey, here's a question. Does anybody know why
(30:40):
we used to say string, like for quarterbacks that get
first dring, second string, third string? Do you know that buyer?
That sounds like something you I don't know, no, but
you did you know that expression? Right? Yeah? For sure? Yeah,
it's changed in the first team, second team, third team
or QB one, QB two, QB three. But we used
to say first string, second string, third string. Why did
(31:00):
we say string? Does anybody know?
Speaker 3 (31:02):
I'm reading a headline that I just googled them first string,
second string heralds from the days of Bows and Arrows.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
Oh, I thought it was like an orchestra. Think but
they say seat, they say first seat, first chair. I
should say first chair, second chair.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
So wow, I didn't know.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
That I meet me neither go on Jason with Bows
and Arrows. So the first string is the best string.
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Maybe this doesn't make sense to you. Guys in eighteen
ninety seven and Encyclopedia of Sports explain that first, second,
and third strings are the first, second, and third men
chosen to represent a club in any event.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
I did not know that archery archery weird, wacky, weird,
wacky wild stuff.
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What do you got there, Dan.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Byers, Doug, we have a story just coming in within
the past twenty minutes.
Speaker 6 (33:00):
Or so.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
A jury in the Central District of California has ruled
that the NFL violated anti trust laws with the NFL
Sunday ticket package, ordering the league to pay fans four
billion dollars in damages. The class action lawsuit brought against
the league by bars and restaurants and subscribers, claimed the
(33:21):
league inflated the cost of the package. Reports that the
NFL is likely to appeal the ruling, possibly all the
way to the Supreme Court.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Four billion dollars.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Four billion dollars. They were asking for seven billion in
damages but received four billion dollars. And this is a
lot of it is based on testimony from Robert Craft
of the Patriots, who did reveal that ESPN had offered
seventy a seventy dollars proposal for the Sunday ticket. They
(33:56):
also found out during this case that Roger Goodell argued
that Sunday tickets should be a premium product that wasn't
intended to end up in everybody's living room. Was the
words that the front office Sports was using. But there
was an option out there when the Sunday ticket bidding
came up to possibly put every game on a cable channel,
(34:20):
so you could turn to like we see in the
NCAA tournament TNT, True TV TBS that would have been
done as one of the options for Sunday ticket in
the NFL said, nope, we want to put it beyond
this paywall. And this paywall is going to be three
hundred and fifty dollars, not just seventy dollars. ESPN By
the way, I also wanted to give a team only
(34:42):
package that the NFL declined to take advantage of.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
I don't understand why they're libel for four billion dollars,
So I don't know. I don't know enough about the
legalities up That sounds fascinating billion dollars when when the
concussion lawsuit was less than two go ahead.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
How does one inflate like the cost or price or
value of something when like there's no barometer to.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
I don't know. It's a great point. I don't know
what the answer is, truly don't know the answers. Does
anybody know the answer is?
Speaker 2 (35:19):
What's your question? Say that again, like.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
How do you inflate I'll do it. How do you
inflate a price when there is no like there's no
set price.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
I mean like people will pay what you said it
at and if they don't, then you lower.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
It, right, Yeah, I guess if they're saying that people
will pay three hundred and forty nine dollars, then why
are we selling this for seventy dollars.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Yes, that's exactly what happened. But I don't. But again,
I don't understand the legalies out of it, so you know,
I don't pretend to, so I just don't. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Jason, did you have anything on this?
Speaker 3 (35:54):
I got nothing. I'm I think with the uh, I
think the verdict was supposed to come down this way
because what you said at the end of your report
was what I've read that the NFL is going to
take this the entire way to the Supreme Court. So
it was almost like they were assuming this was not
going to go their way. But it's interesting. Somebody tried
(36:15):
to put it on my radar the other day. I
thought it was Sam, and I'm like, this doesn't seem
interesting to me, and you're getting in the weeds of
cost and market and the NFL. But now that there's
a verdict, I'm it's piqued my interest here.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
I do think that it is interesting that one of
the things fans have clamored for is the team option. Yeah,
and that the NFL said, no, we're not going to
do that. We're not going to do that for you fans.
And I would think I'm just guessing, but I don't
know if it's sixfold that you would get more subscribers
(36:53):
than you would of the current plan. But at seventy dollars,
it sure seems like that would be appealing to a
lot more football fans than the three hundred and forty
nine that you're paying. Like, I think that you could
be like, hey, you live in southern California, you're a
Jaguars fan. Find six Jaguars fans I would sign up
(37:16):
that wouldn't normally do. So, then you're making more money
if you're the NFL, if you're getting four hundred and
twenty dollars as opposed to you know, the three hundred
and fifty dollars, I guess all you would need is
five dollars.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
There are five people to see you guys gets any ticket?
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Did I did not this year?
Speaker 3 (37:33):
I did not.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
I did. It was expensive with with YouTube TV.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
But I am also you know on the air here, Yeah,
for you I'm not sure it makes sense. I just
come in early, watch the game.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
It's just got to work.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
But that opens another question that I know we don't
have the answer to. But who's getting paid? Are the
customers that had it over a certain amount of time
and it was like sixteen dollars a customer.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Restaurant, a bar, and the subscribers that apparently joined the
class action lawsuit.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Oh okay, there you go.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
Everyone gets eighty cents.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
They gotta be more than that.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
That would be funny.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
So they said that the seven billion in damages would
be tripled by federal law to twenty one billion. So
I don't know if this will be tripled to twelve
but that's a lot of money. Could still be a
ways away from the resolution. And that's the one story press.
Speaker 5 (38:24):
They get out there and pressed. That was the press.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
I thought it was a good story. It's a very
interesting topic that we didn't think it was interesting before
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Good Game is your one-stop shop for the biggest stories in women’s sports. Every day, host Sarah Spain gives you the stories, stakes, stars and stats to keep up with your favorite women’s teams, leagues and athletes. Through thoughtful insight, witty banter, and an all around good time, Sarah and friends break down the latest news, talk about the games you can’t miss, and debate the issues of the day. Don’t miss interviews with the people of the moment, whether they be athletes, coaches, reporters, or celebrity fans.
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The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show
The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton tackle the biggest stories in news, politics and current events with intelligence and humor. From the border crisis, to the madness of cancel culture and far-left missteps, Clay and Buck guide listeners through the latest headlines and hot topics with fun and entertaining conversations and opinions.