December 3, 2024 • 38 mins
Doug and the crew have a healthy disagreement over the flag planting topic. Senior NFL Writer for Yahoo! Charles Robinson joins Doug to talk about Brock Purdy, the Al-Shaair suspension, and all of the other major headlines around the NFL. Plus, Beyer's Remorse.
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So Byer has something he wants to talk about with me,
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and I got someone want to talk about with him. Okay,
So I think Byer wants to talk about my tweet,
which I know he knows was meant in jest, and
I gotta talk to him about Ohio state and the
flag thing because I wasn't here yesterday. I was an
available yesterday for the show, a little personal day. So
let me start with the flag thing and then I'll
I'll get your opinion, don because I do respect it
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as not just a football fan, but also an avid
Ohio State football fan. I just again, I do know
that some of these kids went over the top, right,
the Michigan kid throwing the water bottle, the one with
the other flag. That's like flying it in people's faces
and taunting them. Like, that's not what I'm talking about.
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Everyone knows where the line is, and I think people
went over the line, you know. I mean, spraying guys
with mace is pretty much over the line as well
from the police. And again, it's not just the Ohio
State machine game, it was other games. It's like this
was a whole weekend in college football was all these
flag planting things. I gotta tell you, I have no
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issue with the flag planting. Now, would I personally prefer
to have a flag be raised, Yeah, But we always
make these parallels to battle, and I do, in fact
understand that it's not a war, and I'm not an idiot.
It's like you're making no one dies. Hey, no land
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is actually conquered. We don't change names and name them
after our kings and princes and whatever. The way we
did in olden days. But there is something kind of
cool that I kind of think Baker Mayfield might have discovered,
which is, hey, we go and win this land, it's
ours until next year or till two years when we
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play there. It's like the new You can do the boot,
you can do the hat, which is in ou in Texas,
or you can plant the flag. This is now ours.
We own it. And I gotta say, I like, ohow
say you're so mad win the game, win the game,
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you lose the game, you lose the flag. Sorry, Now
can we adjust and say, all right, we raised the
flag much like the pirate flag or the country that
wins the battlegrounds. Sure, but I have no problem with it.
The extra stuff ops absolutely for either side. Okay, Dan,
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your turn. You're the Ohio.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Teah fan dog. I'm gonna be honest, I'm shocked at
as a Division one head coach that that would be
your take, because especially the last part of this, go
out and win the game, or try harder, or you
should have played that hard during the game. That's like
my part of it. Like you don't think that Ohio
State tried, You don't think that North Carolina tried, you
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don't think that those teams were trying during that game.
And in the case of the Ohio State Michigan game,
it's the sole reason a core group of those players
came back. Not only did they try, they put everything
they had into that game. And I would say everything
for the entire year into that game and it didn't
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work out. And so to sit there and say, go
out there and win the game, I just think it's
haphazard and foolish, and it's discrediting all of the work
that these athletes have put in for that time. Now
it's not a game of risk in terms of we
take over this land in that land. And I find
Baker Mayfield, who I do think, and I said this
yesterday when I was in for you, he is the
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one that started this whole thing. I think it had
been going on prior. In fact, when he did it
in Columbus in twenty seventeen. I even remembered Ohio State
having some sort of celebration in Norman the year before.
That may have sparked Baker doing this, But with Baker
Mayfield being the one doing it, he got a lot
of headlines and it continued to carry through. Baker made
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a comment today. Ou Texa does it every time they play.
You know what, they don't do, Baker. They don't play
in Norman, and they don't play in Austin. They play
in Dallas. There's nowhere to plan a flag on a
team's logo. So that's the whole point of it. There's
fun stuff like the acts Minnesota and Wisconsin was an example.
Minnesota went and kind of chopped down the goalpost just
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like Wisconsin is done back and forth. It's Paul Bunyan's acts.
Like nobody was up in arms over that. But I
just feel that these rivalries where the lack of respect
is more prevalent than ever is shown here. And this
is coming from not only an Ohio State fan, but
a guy that knows that. In the nineteen seventies, one
of the biggest Ohio State highlights was them running out
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of the Michigan tunnel in pregame, in taking down the
Michigan flag that they run under. That's one of the
biggest parts of the rivalry. I get all that. I
just felt it was in poor taste Arizona State trying
to stab the a of Arizona and the pitchfork. All right,
what are you doing here. To me, it's just it
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gets out of hand.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
I vote. I vote that everybody has a flag pole
and if you win, you get to raise your flag.
That's what I vote. Sure, well, right ain. And I
don't like the stomping on the logo thing like that's
Terrell Owens. That's weak sauce. You can't plant a flag
on artificial turf. But running around and waving your flag.
I got zero issues with the old planting the flag whatever,
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like it doesn't last forever. They won the game, won
the game.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
I think there's a huge difference between running around with
your flag and running around and planting it where it is.
I think that that's where I feel that the line
is running around with your flag is showing your school pride,
and I feel that the the putting the flag at
midfield is the disrespect of the other school.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Okay, now let's get to the other part to it,
which tonight the rankings come out.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Okay, can I can I quick just ask Iowa Sam,
because I feel like he's an impartial college football guy,
where do you stand on does it bother you? Because
I want to because and there's a reason I'm bringing
Iowa Sam in if if Iowa didn't shake hands with
the brass Nebraska went in and beat Iowa on Friday night,
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then okay, you guys didn't want to shake our hands.
This is what this is what we're gonna do. Now,
Nebraska didn't shake Iowa's hands in that game. It ended
up being a home game. But that would be a
scenario where I would say, Okay, if some team disrespected
you at the beginning of the game, you can disrespect
them at the end of the game. But I just
don't think it should be a common practice.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
So I don't like it. I think it's needless. I
think it's dangerous.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
I think that.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Of course, we hate all the stuff that came after it,
but what started, what started was the act of planning
the flag It's aggravating, it's provoking. It's not something I
would ever see from like a Kirk Faran's coach team.
That's why I don't i'd a person don't like it.
I just think it's just it's it can lead to
too many, like dangerous situations. We had players getting maced
on the field, Are you kidding me? Like it's ridiculous.
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The flagpole could become a weapon it's just like what, Oh,
we beat you on your field, we beat you in
general on our field.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
We could do it.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
We're allowed to moon you. Like what's next, Like we
could do anything?
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Right?
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Like yeah, again, like you're taking it to a step
that it never never should be. You can't use it
as a weapon, right, but it can't. Somebody to that though.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
It got too close this past weekend to guys like
literally trying to stab each other with a triton or
a you know, devil's pitchboard.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Well again, here's where, here's where. And I'm not trying
to do I know you're not as young as sometimes
you come off, but like, look, dude, we've had South
Carolina and Clemson. That rivalry game was actually canceled for years.
Lou Holtz's last game is head coach of South Carolina
when they got to a terrible brawl. Right, We've seen
terrible brawls.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
I learned from him, because then then the rivalry games
get started again, and then this kind of nonsense starts happening.
And like what I saw from all the weekend was
just really repulsive to me. I didn't I didn't like it,
and I love rivalry games. I always got three trophies.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
We didn't shake hands. I'm trying to remember.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Nebraska didn't to Iowa and Fron won the game Iowa. Yeah,
and and I loved.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
I did love. I was linebacker Jay Higgins running up
to Matt Rule and say, hey, I want to shake
your hand.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Hey, listen, I'll be honest with you, like I'm I
was really upset at how my team played on Saturday.
Campbell the Campbell's came in and they beat us. And
I make it a point that before every game I
shake every coach's hand on the other bench, and after
every game I shake every other game ever of the
coach's hand on that bench. That's what you're supposed to do, Okay,
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So if anybody wants to know about how my and
when we win, when we lose, it's the exact same thing. Again,
I wouldn't I don't know if I would allow my group.
You know, like Milwaukee's our rival. We're so fortunate in
January eleventh to win in Milwaukee, a place my dad
coach like, we're not going to plan a flag. We're
gonna celebrate like hell and locker room, and then get
back to Green Bay and probably go to probably the
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bar on homegren and have a great time. But the
point is that I don't in football, especially rivalry games,
I like the flag thing. I just do. It's all
the other theatrics that come with it that are the issue,
not the actual I don't believe, not the actual flag.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
But okay, if you're.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Going to do that, Doug, then the then the like
the home team or the team that lost, needs to
be like away from all of this because it's clearly provocative.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Get off amatory, get off the field. That's that's also
a rule.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
It's a logo.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
State's home.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Get off State, it's their fields, their stadium.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
You lost, go to your locker room.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
But I just say it's too it's too ripe for
something really bad to happen.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
I also think that college football is a different animal
in terms of in all other sports, you play again.
In the NFL, you do it, Doug. In college basketball,
you get a home and away with Milwaukee. In baseball,
the Dodgers and Giants played, you got nine twelve times
a year. You have different series back and forth. NBA
same thing. This is a one year once a year,
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and then you alternate every year on where you are
so like the stakes in terms of that are so
much higher in terms of what it means and where
it is. And I think that you see that with
the emotions as well of it.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Here's the best part of what you're saying. Here's the
best part of what you're saying. Did Michigan have a
successful season?
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Yeah, yes they did because.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
They beat Ohio State. There's seven and five. Ohio State
lost what two games? Yes, by a combined four points. Yes,
And their season as of now is seen as a disaster,
which is crazy. But that's college football and you can't
explain it to anybody who hasn't grown up in this
country as a college web But like that doesn't make
any sense, Like distrust me, This makes sense and I
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would agree with you if that's your that would be
our assessment. Now. If Ohio State somehow gets new life
and oh yeah, by the way, I mean, the sad
thing is Ohio State should absolutely be in the College
Wall Playoff ahead of Indiana. Absolutely zero questions in my mind,
because again I try and be consistent and if you
look at Ohio State, they've played what is it the
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three teams that would potentially be in the field Indiana,
Penn State, Oregon, and they're two and one against those
three teams. Correct, mm hm, So I don't. I mean,
how is that and that whereas Indiana is zero to
one against teams in the field we're doing. We're making
the same argument. People make these same arguments in basketball,
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and they don't hold water for me. In basketball, Well,
we're in the Big Ten. Yeah, you played the bottom
of the Big Ten. Congratulations, everybody beat those teams.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Everyone, Yeah, you're judge more in college football a lot
is what you are in your worst day than you
are on your best day. And now with the expanded field,
I think it's got to be more on your best
day and what you've done. So basically meaning wins, I
think should be more the loss. When you were splitting
hairs with certain teams at four, five, and six, that
was always a big deal. Who did you lose to?
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Where did you lose to? How were you on your
worst day? But now I feel like we have a
little bit more leeway in determining who actually should go.
So to your point, I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Yeah, and the other point too. It is and this
is what we're living in. My world is like a
lot of times. And this is teams that we've beaten
as well as teams that have beaten us, where sometimes
it's a schedule loss. You know, I told people all
the time we beat Siue, I think they're really good.
They were just out of gas. And I know that that. Mentally.
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Ohio State put everything in to the Michigan game. But
I like the Indiana thing was a big game. That's
a lot to dial that energy up to two weeks
in a row. It's just a lot, a lot to
dial it up. So the other part too, it is
like I don't think Miami should be in at all.
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And I'm fascinated by what they do with this field because,
as we discussed last week, they've gone from hey, let's
not include people to let's include people. What are we
going to get a SMU or Boise State like a bye? Why?
Why would we ever do that? I just any and
anyone who goes on radio and TV and says they
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deserve a bye. Go Okay, if you think they're that good,
I assume you're picking them to win several games. Like no, no, No,
that's not the point. No, that actually is the point.
Actually is the point? Go ahead?
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Dan, I'm sorry, No, I was just gonna say it's
it's funny because with the basketball selection show, we will
we will argue about seed lines, right, like a team,
Oh they're a five seed, they should have been a three.
Look at these three seeds. There's no room for error
in this twelve team bracket, like you can do that
in a sixty eight school bracket. But everybody's paying attention here.
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Everybody is recognizing this, and there is no room for air.
The two year format of this and how it's gonna
be is gonna cause this chaos with these automatic bids
going to maybe or automatic buys going to these conferences.
That'll probably sort itself out at some point, but yeah,
you're gonna have chaos. We still have no idea on
how the conference championship games are gonna play account and
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we won't know until the brackets set a week from today.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Can I add one thing less than a week from
about the championship games?
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Real quick?
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Every single even the like the Matt the Mid American
Conference championship game, every single championship game has a spread
of six points or less, which is just tantalizing, because
that's Vegas is telling you they think that each of
these games on Saturday is going to be competitive and close.
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Speaker 1 (15:35):
It's Doug Gottlieb Show. You're on Fox Sports Radio, coming
to you from the Tirak dot com studios. Multiple reports
out there that Brock Party is going to be knighted
this offseason by the Niners. Knighted, and I'm the bad
guy who go back to last year when his numbers
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were obscene, said, look, I love the Brock Party story,
but we're getting caught up in the story and losing
the fact that if you make him a franchise quarterback
to the tune of fifty plus potentially sixty million dollars
a year, something's got to give in terms of their personnel.
And anytime something's got to give, anytime he's missing one
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of his key pieces. They have been very good. They
have been very good. So the reality is that Rock
Party's value is not just in his talent, but his
talent at the pay rate that he's at, considering the
salary cap, and I just wondered, like I watched two
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a tongue of Ioloa. They're different players, right. He doesn't
have the concussion background or issues or the injury background
with the hip that Tua has. But there's a similarity
there right where Tua's talent only takes you so far.
He doesn't move like Brock moves way better than Tua,
but they have something like there was a reason that
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he was irrelevant. It's not because and it's not like
no one saw him play at Iowa State. He's smallish,
and he doesn't have a huge arm, and there are
just plays that he doesn't and hasn't been able to
show us that he can make. When he doesn't, he
can't lift up average talent or below average talent the
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way that honestly Mahomes has since he lost Tyreek Hill.
So when we hear reports that that rock Perty is
gonna be knighted and given this huge contract, what does
that mean? Are they going all into the sixty million
dollar variety? You know who would know? Our next guest
stuck out the show here on Fox Sports Radio. Charles
Robinson joins us from Yahoo Sports. Senior NFL writer, Charles,
(17:46):
I know you've seen these reports, Like it's one thing
to say we're gonna pay him. How much are they
gonna pay him?
Speaker 5 (17:55):
Well, I mean if you go by the slate of
extensions in the last offseason, you know you have to
ask for sixty million plus one, right, I mean, don't
you have to? You have to go to the top
of the heat. That's the way that agents function. And
you know, given his age, uh, you know, the fit,
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the performance up until this year, I have I have
a take on that, but I mean from an agent perspective,
you you always look to reset the market. It's just
the way it goes.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
So what's your take? What's your take on that? I'm
not I'm not letting, I'm lead. You give your take
on it?
Speaker 5 (18:33):
Do I do? I think? What on the take on
them actually doing it? Or or is that the right way?
Speaker 1 (18:38):
I mean, no, you said on his performance up until
this year, he.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
Still got a year lift Like here, here's my thing.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
I let him play it out.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
Yeah. I remember a few years ago when the Browns
were entering they were heading toward uh year five for Baker.
He had he had he was coming off of the
win and the postseason against the Steelers, and they were
deciding that off season whether or not they were going
to give him a contract extension. So there was this
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idea that you know, thirty five million a year somewhere
in the range of like thirty five forty million a
year put him, you know, pretty close to the top
of the quarterback stack and get that deal done and
the Browns instead. Because he'd had an up and down,
you know, it was like he was good, one year's bad,
one year he's good, one year's bad, one year, you know,
and there's help and all these different things. They decided,
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we're gonna we're gonna take a look, we're gonna wait
and see, we're gonna get another year of data before
we make this decision. And the year that they got
was perfect, and ultimately that's how they ended up parting
company with him. I still think it was the right
decision because I don't think I don't think the Baker
Store would have worked in Cleveland the way it has
in Tampa. They didn't have the same assets, they didn't
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have the same offensive line. It was it was just
a different scenario. I don't believe he he would have
necessarily met his potential that he has in Tampa. In Cleveland,
just like I don't think Geno would have blossomed elsewhere,
you know, other other than Seattle. They found the right
fit for Brock. I think given what you have seen
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this year, given that he's had shoulder soreness, he's already
had a surgery once on his throwing arm, we've seen
the you know, he struggled at times when different players
have been up and down in the lineup. I think
he's deserving of an extension. I don't think he's deserving
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of a top of the heap extension after this season.
I think that the forty nine ers, the prudent thing
would be to go through his fourth year, and if
you decide, okay, he's worth it, you can just franchise
Tag and you do what the Cowboys do with that. Basically,
you say, all right, well we're not going to let
him get away. He's going to get his money, but
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we're going to make sure we see all four years
of the data before we do this deal.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
I agree, by the way, the Cowboys, you know, look,
they were going to bite the bullet with a huge
cap hit, and they gave in relented game of contracts tension,
and outside of that, missus Lincoln Hose. How's the show
treating you in in Dallas?
Speaker 5 (21:14):
Yes? And Doug a thing about that too. It was
funny because I was talking to somebody to day. I'm
working on a piece on you know, kind of ranking
the open jobs and the potentially open jobs by quarterback
b like what's the quarterback situation look like? And when
you sit there and you stare at the Cowboys, it's
not just the contract now, which is massive and problematic,
(21:36):
it's the health, right, I mean from waist down. Aren't
you worried now about that? That's two significant surgeries from
below the waist, and I don't think I already saw
after the last one he wasn't moving as well as
he did prior, Like I thought that affected him and
I think this will affect him. And so now you're
talking about you're strapped to the contract, but you're also
(21:58):
strapped to the health, like how healthy is that going
to be able to stay? And what's his mobility going
to look like long term after a couple of significant surgeries.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
It's great, it's a great question. Charles Robinson joining US
Yahoo Sports senior NFL writer. He joins us on the
Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. I just
I went to that Packer Dolphin Thanksgiving Day game. Second
time I've seen two in person, the second time I've
had the same opinion, this time outdoors. Is like in
the AFC, that dog is not gonna hunt in the playoffs.
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It just doesn't. And then it's not just the arm.
He can't move, he can't tuck.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
He's owing eight up below forty degrees. That's a real thing, now.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Like that's not Hey, the good news is, the good
news is there's not many cold weather playoff teams in
the AFC outside of Buffalo and Pittsburgh and Baltimore and
Kansas City. Outside of those, there's not a lot of
options for road playoff games in bad weather in the AFC.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
And thank goodness, none of those are difficult places to play.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Yeah, and their defense is really good, I mean, you know, traditionally.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
I just, I just it's one of those things to
where I I get I've talked and I know you
talk a lot more than I have, but the gms
I've talked to you about, like, well, you know, bird
in the hands better than two in the bush, and
just it's so hard to find a guy like I
get it, but you guys are going so far all in,
I mean all in is it it really is? You
don't have King A's high, You got a nice little hand.
Why are you pushing all of your chips in? Why
(23:31):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (23:31):
Yeah, I just think it's it's gotten to the point
now where everyone's I think it's, well, it's a couple
of different things. I think when you talk, it depends
on the age demographic you talk to. Like let's say
you're talking to gms or you're talking like team presidents
or coaches or whoever. The older guys are blaming younger gms,
(23:55):
like they're all they're all saying like they're saying, there's
new owners coming in. They don't know what they're doing.
They're just they're just, you know, doing stupid stuff with contracts.
They're they're rubber stamping what the GM is telling them
they should do. Or there's these young gms you know,
who are spending money and all they you know, they're
just saying that, you know, the CAP's going to go up,
the CAP's going to go up, and so this is
just the world we live in. And you know, they're
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all like you got to take a hard, hardline stance.
And it's funny to hear them say that. But then
when they're putting that, you know, position of potentially now
facing Okay, what the abyss with no quarterback? Like, Okay, well,
what do we do if we don't pay the guy?
Are we going to deal him? What could we get
if we deal him? And then and then where do
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we find our next quarterback? I mean, it's yeah, I
mean it's it's uh. The Miami Dolphins to have paid
to what they paid him, the Jacksonville Jaguars to have
paid Trevor Lawrence what they paid him, it's I think
part of it is fear based. I think part of
it is you feel pop committed, which I guess sometimes
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that's a real thing. You know, if you're if you're
sitting there in the NFL or the Jaguars, you're like, look,
we've been on the other side of this. We've already,
you know, we've we've leveraged everything into this guy. We've
got to make it work. And then and then you know.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
The reality, the reality is they had a crummy quarterback
and went to the AFC Championship Game. It's like they
they've had a lead at halftime, they've totally forgotten about that. Like,
you can make it, you can make it work. It's hard,
it's not fun. It's not not a likely pattern for success.
But you know, but what were But what.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
Were you paying them at that time? That's the thing
you have to factor in how you got them, what
the salary structure look like?
Speaker 1 (25:35):
All right, let me ask you another one, Charles. Charles
Robinson joined us Yahoo's sports and NFL writer Doug Gotlieb
show Fox Sports Radio. I know we all think Aaron
Rodgers is shot, but Kirk Cousins is like, hold my beer.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
I don't watch Falcons games on the regular on a
regular basis. I just don't. I happen to watch this
weekend and I was like, he he can't play anymore?
Like I I almost thought the dumbest move in the
draft has now become the smartest move in the draft
with drafting Michael Beennix, because I don't think Kirk Cousins
se him play anymore? Am I wrong? Is this just
(26:10):
a bad couple of weeks?
Speaker 5 (26:13):
No, I don't. I mean I think I don't think
Kirk's changed. I don't think he's a better player or
a worse player than he was before. I just think
that if we dig deep enough, this is Kirk. I
mean it just is.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
No last year he was thrown for. He was on
pace for six thousand yards. Okay, okay, I mean he
q through, he through. The out route interception was almost
like the cornerback was almost like wait was that for me?
He had to wait for the ball?
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (26:39):
I thought the end zone interception was.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Even more I don't know, it was a pigure It was.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
Okay, But Doug, he didn't play the balance of last
season right like, he didn't finish it. So you just
never got to the point where he hit this moment, right.
It wasn't that long ago that he set the Falcons
you know, passing yardage record, that wasn't that long ago
in a game you know, thrilling, you know, ot win
and we're all like, oh my god, look at the Falcons, like,
(27:06):
well wow, brilliant. Look at Kirks just turned the corner
and look at the winning games on the big stage
and all this stuff, and we thought he was different. No,
he's not. This is just who he is. He is,
who he is, who he's always going to be. Which
is going to be a player who will have some
prolific stretches where he puts up great games and you're thinking, okay, yo,
you can make it work with this guy. You know,
(27:26):
as long as you have the right surround piece as
you protect him, you do this, you do that, and
then he will have a spade of games where you go, no,
this is what you run into. This is the problem.
This is the waiting for the other shoe to drop.
It's going to happen at some point. That that's who
Kirk has proved he has been throughout his career. And
I think Kevin O'Connell took him probably as far as
(27:50):
he probably could take him in that Shanahan offense and
made him about as good as he could he could be.
But again, he didn't play out the balance of that season.
We don't know what point he would have run into
a wall. I just I don't look at Kirk and go, wow,
he's worse, you know, or there's just this big dramatic change.
I think this is just two kirkis. He's gonna have
some good games. He's gonna have these games that prove
(28:11):
the theory of his career correct that you know, it's
the whole what's Daniel Jeremy. I always say trucks versus trailers.
He's a trailer, He's not a truck. He's not going
to pull you to a super Bowl. You're going to
have to pull him to a super Bowl, and you
better have a damn good truck calling him.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Oh okay, let's go back to what he said. The
open quarterback jobs. How many are going to It's not
a great quarterback class, and a lot of the success
stories we're seeing are guys that have already been paid
elsewhere or are on their second or third team around
Right the Sam Donald's look, I mean yesterday last night
was the whole Jamis Winston experience. Like that was amazing, right,
(28:48):
pre game hype speech, some great plays, terrible interceptions, postgame
press conference, bringing the Lord and Savior into it, like
it was the whole Jameis Winston all. It was amazing, Right,
you got Jamis? I see Bak Baker. You know, even
Gino's been, Gino has been well well exceeded anyone's reasonable expectations. Right,
(29:10):
So how much how much appetite is there for young
rookie quarterbacks that aren't gonna make much money as opposed
to kind of it's the uh, it's like the middle
income guys in quarterbacks, these second chance guys, what's it's
gonna be a.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
Look, there's getting a massive appetite based on what the
draft looks like. Right and as you said, the class
you've been hearing it forever. It's a week week class, right,
like cam Ward out of Miami, Like had he gone
in the draft last year, this is how crazy this
this has changed now. And you know there's some Jadon
Daniels to this too, because it was a similar situation
between Jadeen's you know, second to last and last year
(29:47):
in college he improved US stock dramatically, but cam Ward
was like a fourth round, fifth round pick last year.
If he goes in that draft and now he's potentially
the top pick in the draft, top two, top three
pick again, that's that's very similar to sort of what
happened with Jaydeen Daniels. That's why transferred and went to LSU.
But I think the tool the tools, that's different. The
decisions making different. I mean, he's anybody you talk to
(30:10):
there like he still makes some insane decisions with the
football and you know, just there are moments where you're like,
you can't trust him, you know, sad It's like, okay,
you know how high is the ceiling on Shador? Like
is he kind of what he is? And he's topped
out and you know, one guy sort of called him
Tyrod Taylor two point zero like so not yet not
(30:31):
a great class. So I think the appetite for a
Sam Donald in free agency, particularly if Sam Donald, you know,
finishes out the season more towards how he started it.
It's competitive in the playoffs. I think there will be
some teams particularly you know, the Shannan systems prolific. I mean,
it's all over the NFL now, and you know, even
(30:51):
guys that aren't from the Shannan tree are running certain
aspects of the offense. He's mastered and he's running a
very very I think it's the best offense to run
and to master as a quarterback right now. So there
will be I think there will be appetite for a
guy like Darnold, depending on what openings there are. But
in terms of like rookies, look at this year's rookie class.
(31:13):
If the talent's there, the appetite is going to be there,
right And I had earlier in the season. I had
one guy, you know, when we were talking about coming
up on the trade deadline. He said to me, you know,
with Kirk playing at such a high level, he was like,
just wait until before the draft. If Kirk plays out
the season this way with Atlanta, If I'm a team
and I really need a quarterback, I'm calling Atlanta about Pennix.
(31:37):
I'm saying, look, you got your guy right, he's going
to be there. He's going to start the next three
years for you. Send us Penix and we'll send you
a couple first round picks, like go get the better
quarterback who's sitting on someone else's roster. So, yeah, I
think the retads, I think there will be certainly an
appetite for you know, some of those guys. We'll see
who else is available. I think Aaron, Yeah, there could
(31:57):
be some appetite for Aaron. We don't see it now.
It's hard to really envision it. But what if you
get into a scenario where you don't really have a quarterback.
I mean it's sort of like what the Steelers ran into. Yeah,
they're like, okay, we don't have an option yet.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
I don't know. I mean maybe JJ McCarthy becomes available
if they choose to stick with Simpson, Stam Darold Charles
awesome stuff as always, really appreciated joining us. We'll talk
to you very very soon.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
Thanks.
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Speaker 2 (33:23):
A lot of people with opinions and what happened at
Jacksonville on Sunday between the Texans and Jaguars, specifically the
hit that saw is zzel Shire get a three game
suspension from the NFL today when he knocked Jaguars quarterback
Trevor Lawrence out with that hit. Is Lawrence slid near midfield?
NFL on Fox analyst and soon to be Hall of
(33:44):
Fame quarterback Tom Brady weighed in on the topic when
he joined The Herd earlier today on Fox Sports Radio
and had this to say about the play and specifically
about Lawrence's slide.
Speaker 6 (33:55):
There's mixed emotions that I have about it as well.
The only aspect that I think is very check challenging
and certainly for Trevor Lawrence. Nobody wants to see anybody
get hurt. But it is also the reality of a
very physical sport that we play. Defensive players have to
be aggressive. There's an aspect to me that I think
the quarterbacks and the certainly the quarterbacks need to take
(34:15):
better care of themselves. And at the same time, when
you run, you put yourself in a lot of danger.
And when you do that, I don't think the onus
of protecting an offensive quarterback who's running should be on
a defensive player. I don't think that's really fair to
the defense. So if you slide and it's everyone can
argue was it black and white or was it just
a gray area? Do you slide late or is it
(34:37):
unnecessary roughness or is it a late hit. There's more
design runs for quarterbacks ever now than in the history
of the NFL. So are we really trying to protect quarterbacks?
Because if you are trying to do it through the rules,
then why are the offensive coordinators not protecting their quarterbacks
by keeping them under the pocket and not designing as
(34:59):
many quarterback rights? So you know, maybe they find or
penalize a quarterback for sliding late, you know, and say, look,
we if we don't want these hits to take place,
we've got to penalize the offense and the defense.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Double penalties.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Yeah, that's that's that's interesting. I mean Tom Brady used
to complain anytime a get anywhere near him. People really
think they're going to penalize a quarterback, find a quarterback
for sliding late?
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Come on, well, so Tom tom Brady never really ran,
and so.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
For he was running, everybody thought he was walking, but
he's actually running.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
It's what I think, what I think actually is happening
is people are so annoyed with what Patrick Mahomes did
a few weeks ago that they feel that we are you
fake the slide, yeah, or faked going out of bounds
and ducking in. And we've seen fake slides before in
college football. There's one a few years ago. I know
that was a really big deal. But so now people
(35:59):
are saying, well, like, you look at what Mahomes does.
But I don't know if maybe Trevor Lawrence shouldn't try
to fake slide anymore. But I just I can't find
the great fault in the quarterback in a play like
that on Sunday. Just not when the defender has his
forearm up.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
No, I mean, look the big thing to me, And
again you feel free to disagree if you want. Dan
is it's not like the idea of he went down
late and I was gonna hit him. Fine, you're like
launching yourself with your form and your helmet exactly. So
if he was running, that's not how you're going to tackle.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Him, exactly. Carrier Roads, who I do the show with
on Sunday, says he kind of got to be like Superman.
You gotta fly over him, And yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Why do you have to fly? Why did to launch yourself?
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Sure? Well, in that scenario gave he gave el Shire
an out of all right, you just kind of go
over the top of them.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
But I think I don't think should have been suspended
three games. I think that's ridiculous. On the other hand,
like this defending of him because it was late, We're
like Dad was not close to poper tackling form. Let's
look at ourselves.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Something I'm excited about because I've said it on this
network for years and it's almost come to fruition. Former
Packers and Seahawks head coach Mike Holmgren is a coaching
finalist for induction into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
His candidacy will be voted on in early January by
the Pro Football Hall of Fame Committee and yet in
(37:30):
but he can get in. In fact, he's one of
three former players that are on the finalist list in
the seniors category. So there's the contributor category, the coaching
category of the Seniors committee, and Sharp is now one
of the three players on the seniors category that could
be voted in. But Mike homgrinn on the doorstep of Canton,
which he should be. And I've also openly campaigned for
(37:54):
Mike Shanahan as well, not only for what they did
on the field, but also they're coaching trees and who
they all put in the National Football League. And finally,
Doug Tiger Woods told reporters today still a ways away
from competing against the world's best, had a sixth procedure
on his back two months ago, saying he played in
pain for the end of last season, only basically played
(38:15):
in the majors, saying right now he's not sharp enough
to compete against the world's best as he will not
tee it up at the Hero World Challenge.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
Sad Man six procedures in his pack.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Yeah, I know, we're entering Ed Rooney nine times.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Territory nine times.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
That's the press. They get out there and pressed.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
That was the press.
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and I got someone want to talk about with him. Okay,
So I think Byer wants to talk about my tweet,
which I know he knows was meant in jest, and
I gotta talk to him about Ohio state and the
flag thing because I wasn't here yesterday. I was an
available yesterday for the show, a little personal day. So
let me start with the flag thing and then I'll
I'll get your opinion, don because I do respect it
(01:06):
as not just a football fan, but also an avid
Ohio State football fan. I just again, I do know
that some of these kids went over the top, right,
the Michigan kid throwing the water bottle, the one with
the other flag. That's like flying it in people's faces
and taunting them. Like, that's not what I'm talking about.
(01:28):
Everyone knows where the line is, and I think people
went over the line, you know. I mean, spraying guys
with mace is pretty much over the line as well
from the police. And again, it's not just the Ohio
State machine game, it was other games. It's like this
was a whole weekend in college football was all these
flag planting things. I gotta tell you, I have no
(01:52):
issue with the flag planting. Now, would I personally prefer
to have a flag be raised, Yeah, But we always
make these parallels to battle, and I do, in fact
understand that it's not a war, and I'm not an idiot.
It's like you're making no one dies. Hey, no land
(02:15):
is actually conquered. We don't change names and name them
after our kings and princes and whatever. The way we
did in olden days. But there is something kind of
cool that I kind of think Baker Mayfield might have discovered,
which is, hey, we go and win this land, it's
ours until next year or till two years when we
(02:35):
play there. It's like the new You can do the boot,
you can do the hat, which is in ou in Texas,
or you can plant the flag. This is now ours.
We own it. And I gotta say, I like, ohow
say you're so mad win the game, win the game,
(02:57):
you lose the game, you lose the flag. Sorry, Now
can we adjust and say, all right, we raised the
flag much like the pirate flag or the country that
wins the battlegrounds. Sure, but I have no problem with it.
The extra stuff ops absolutely for either side. Okay, Dan,
(03:18):
your turn. You're the Ohio.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Teah fan dog. I'm gonna be honest, I'm shocked at
as a Division one head coach that that would be
your take, because especially the last part of this, go
out and win the game, or try harder, or you
should have played that hard during the game. That's like
my part of it. Like you don't think that Ohio
State tried, You don't think that North Carolina tried, you
(03:40):
don't think that those teams were trying during that game.
And in the case of the Ohio State Michigan game,
it's the sole reason a core group of those players
came back. Not only did they try, they put everything
they had into that game. And I would say everything
for the entire year into that game and it didn't
(04:00):
work out. And so to sit there and say, go
out there and win the game, I just think it's
haphazard and foolish, and it's discrediting all of the work
that these athletes have put in for that time. Now
it's not a game of risk in terms of we
take over this land in that land. And I find
Baker Mayfield, who I do think, and I said this
yesterday when I was in for you, he is the
(04:21):
one that started this whole thing. I think it had
been going on prior. In fact, when he did it
in Columbus in twenty seventeen. I even remembered Ohio State
having some sort of celebration in Norman the year before.
That may have sparked Baker doing this, But with Baker
Mayfield being the one doing it, he got a lot
of headlines and it continued to carry through. Baker made
(04:42):
a comment today. Ou Texa does it every time they play.
You know what, they don't do, Baker. They don't play
in Norman, and they don't play in Austin. They play
in Dallas. There's nowhere to plan a flag on a
team's logo. So that's the whole point of it. There's
fun stuff like the acts Minnesota and Wisconsin was an example.
Minnesota went and kind of chopped down the goalpost just
(05:03):
like Wisconsin is done back and forth. It's Paul Bunyan's acts.
Like nobody was up in arms over that. But I
just feel that these rivalries where the lack of respect
is more prevalent than ever is shown here. And this
is coming from not only an Ohio State fan, but
a guy that knows that. In the nineteen seventies, one
of the biggest Ohio State highlights was them running out
(05:25):
of the Michigan tunnel in pregame, in taking down the
Michigan flag that they run under. That's one of the
biggest parts of the rivalry. I get all that. I
just felt it was in poor taste Arizona State trying
to stab the a of Arizona and the pitchfork. All right,
what are you doing here. To me, it's just it
(05:48):
gets out of hand.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
I vote. I vote that everybody has a flag pole
and if you win, you get to raise your flag.
That's what I vote. Sure, well, right ain. And I
don't like the stomping on the logo thing like that's
Terrell Owens. That's weak sauce. You can't plant a flag
on artificial turf. But running around and waving your flag.
I got zero issues with the old planting the flag whatever,
(06:11):
like it doesn't last forever. They won the game, won
the game.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
I think there's a huge difference between running around with
your flag and running around and planting it where it is.
I think that that's where I feel that the line
is running around with your flag is showing your school pride,
and I feel that the the putting the flag at
midfield is the disrespect of the other school.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Okay, now let's get to the other part to it,
which tonight the rankings come out.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Okay, can I can I quick just ask Iowa Sam,
because I feel like he's an impartial college football guy,
where do you stand on does it bother you? Because
I want to because and there's a reason I'm bringing
Iowa Sam in if if Iowa didn't shake hands with
the brass Nebraska went in and beat Iowa on Friday night,
(07:05):
then okay, you guys didn't want to shake our hands.
This is what this is what we're gonna do. Now,
Nebraska didn't shake Iowa's hands in that game. It ended
up being a home game. But that would be a
scenario where I would say, Okay, if some team disrespected
you at the beginning of the game, you can disrespect
them at the end of the game. But I just
don't think it should be a common practice.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
So I don't like it. I think it's needless. I
think it's dangerous.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
I think that.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Of course, we hate all the stuff that came after it,
but what started, what started was the act of planning
the flag It's aggravating, it's provoking. It's not something I
would ever see from like a Kirk Faran's coach team.
That's why I don't i'd a person don't like it.
I just think it's just it's it can lead to
too many, like dangerous situations. We had players getting maced
on the field, Are you kidding me? Like it's ridiculous.
(07:51):
The flagpole could become a weapon it's just like what, Oh,
we beat you on your field, we beat you in
general on our field.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
We could do it.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
We're allowed to moon you. Like what's next, Like we
could do anything?
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Right?
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Like yeah, again, like you're taking it to a step
that it never never should be. You can't use it
as a weapon, right, but it can't. Somebody to that though.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
It got too close this past weekend to guys like
literally trying to stab each other with a triton or
a you know, devil's pitchboard.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Well again, here's where, here's where. And I'm not trying
to do I know you're not as young as sometimes
you come off, but like, look, dude, we've had South
Carolina and Clemson. That rivalry game was actually canceled for years.
Lou Holtz's last game is head coach of South Carolina
when they got to a terrible brawl. Right, We've seen
terrible brawls.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
I learned from him, because then then the rivalry games
get started again, and then this kind of nonsense starts happening.
And like what I saw from all the weekend was
just really repulsive to me. I didn't I didn't like it,
and I love rivalry games. I always got three trophies.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
We didn't shake hands. I'm trying to remember.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Nebraska didn't to Iowa and Fron won the game Iowa. Yeah,
and and I loved.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
I did love. I was linebacker Jay Higgins running up
to Matt Rule and say, hey, I want to shake
your hand.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Hey, listen, I'll be honest with you, like I'm I
was really upset at how my team played on Saturday.
Campbell the Campbell's came in and they beat us. And
I make it a point that before every game I
shake every coach's hand on the other bench, and after
every game I shake every other game ever of the
coach's hand on that bench. That's what you're supposed to do, Okay,
(09:24):
So if anybody wants to know about how my and
when we win, when we lose, it's the exact same thing. Again,
I wouldn't I don't know if I would allow my group.
You know, like Milwaukee's our rival. We're so fortunate in
January eleventh to win in Milwaukee, a place my dad
coach like, we're not going to plan a flag. We're
gonna celebrate like hell and locker room, and then get
back to Green Bay and probably go to probably the
(09:44):
bar on homegren and have a great time. But the
point is that I don't in football, especially rivalry games,
I like the flag thing. I just do. It's all
the other theatrics that come with it that are the issue,
not the actual I don't believe, not the actual flag.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
But okay, if you're.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Going to do that, Doug, then the then the like
the home team or the team that lost, needs to
be like away from all of this because it's clearly provocative.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Get off amatory, get off the field. That's that's also
a rule.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
It's a logo.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
State's home.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Get off State, it's their fields, their stadium.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
You lost, go to your locker room.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
But I just say it's too it's too ripe for
something really bad to happen.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
I also think that college football is a different animal
in terms of in all other sports, you play again.
In the NFL, you do it, Doug. In college basketball,
you get a home and away with Milwaukee. In baseball,
the Dodgers and Giants played, you got nine twelve times
a year. You have different series back and forth. NBA
same thing. This is a one year once a year,
(10:48):
and then you alternate every year on where you are
so like the stakes in terms of that are so
much higher in terms of what it means and where
it is. And I think that you see that with
the emotions as well of it.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Here's the best part of what you're saying. Here's the
best part of what you're saying. Did Michigan have a
successful season?
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Yeah, yes they did because.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
They beat Ohio State. There's seven and five. Ohio State
lost what two games? Yes, by a combined four points. Yes,
And their season as of now is seen as a disaster,
which is crazy. But that's college football and you can't
explain it to anybody who hasn't grown up in this
country as a college web But like that doesn't make
any sense, Like distrust me, This makes sense and I
(11:34):
would agree with you if that's your that would be
our assessment. Now. If Ohio State somehow gets new life
and oh yeah, by the way, I mean, the sad
thing is Ohio State should absolutely be in the College
Wall Playoff ahead of Indiana. Absolutely zero questions in my mind,
because again I try and be consistent and if you
look at Ohio State, they've played what is it the
(11:57):
three teams that would potentially be in the field Indiana,
Penn State, Oregon, and they're two and one against those
three teams. Correct, mm hm, So I don't. I mean,
how is that and that whereas Indiana is zero to
one against teams in the field we're doing. We're making
the same argument. People make these same arguments in basketball,
(12:19):
and they don't hold water for me. In basketball, Well,
we're in the Big Ten. Yeah, you played the bottom
of the Big Ten. Congratulations, everybody beat those teams.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Everyone, Yeah, you're judge more in college football a lot
is what you are in your worst day than you
are on your best day. And now with the expanded field,
I think it's got to be more on your best
day and what you've done. So basically meaning wins, I
think should be more the loss. When you were splitting
hairs with certain teams at four, five, and six, that
was always a big deal. Who did you lose to?
(12:48):
Where did you lose to? How were you on your
worst day? But now I feel like we have a
little bit more leeway in determining who actually should go.
So to your point, I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Yeah, and the other point too. It is and this
is what we're living in. My world is like a
lot of times. And this is teams that we've beaten
as well as teams that have beaten us, where sometimes
it's a schedule loss. You know, I told people all
the time we beat Siue, I think they're really good.
They were just out of gas. And I know that that. Mentally.
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Ohio State put everything in to the Michigan game. But
I like the Indiana thing was a big game. That's
a lot to dial that energy up to two weeks
in a row. It's just a lot, a lot to
dial it up. So the other part too, it is
like I don't think Miami should be in at all.
(13:43):
And I'm fascinated by what they do with this field because,
as we discussed last week, they've gone from hey, let's
not include people to let's include people. What are we
going to get a SMU or Boise State like a bye? Why?
Why would we ever do that? I just any and
anyone who goes on radio and TV and says they
(14:05):
deserve a bye. Go Okay, if you think they're that good,
I assume you're picking them to win several games. Like no, no, No,
that's not the point. No, that actually is the point.
Actually is the point? Go ahead?
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Dan, I'm sorry, No, I was just gonna say it's
it's funny because with the basketball selection show, we will
we will argue about seed lines, right, like a team,
Oh they're a five seed, they should have been a three.
Look at these three seeds. There's no room for error
in this twelve team bracket, like you can do that
in a sixty eight school bracket. But everybody's paying attention here.
(14:39):
Everybody is recognizing this, and there is no room for air.
The two year format of this and how it's gonna
be is gonna cause this chaos with these automatic bids
going to maybe or automatic buys going to these conferences.
That'll probably sort itself out at some point, but yeah,
you're gonna have chaos. We still have no idea on
how the conference championship games are gonna play account and
(15:01):
we won't know until the brackets set a week from today.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Can I add one thing less than a week from
about the championship games?
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Real quick?
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Every single even the like the Matt the Mid American
Conference championship game, every single championship game has a spread
of six points or less, which is just tantalizing, because
that's Vegas is telling you they think that each of
these games on Saturday is going to be competitive and close.
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Speaker 1 (15:35):
It's Doug Gottlieb Show. You're on Fox Sports Radio, coming
to you from the Tirak dot com studios. Multiple reports
out there that Brock Party is going to be knighted
this offseason by the Niners. Knighted, and I'm the bad
guy who go back to last year when his numbers
(15:56):
were obscene, said, look, I love the Brock Party story,
but we're getting caught up in the story and losing
the fact that if you make him a franchise quarterback
to the tune of fifty plus potentially sixty million dollars
a year, something's got to give in terms of their personnel.
And anytime something's got to give, anytime he's missing one
(16:17):
of his key pieces. They have been very good. They
have been very good. So the reality is that Rock
Party's value is not just in his talent, but his
talent at the pay rate that he's at, considering the
salary cap, and I just wondered, like I watched two
(16:37):
a tongue of Ioloa. They're different players, right. He doesn't
have the concussion background or issues or the injury background
with the hip that Tua has. But there's a similarity
there right where Tua's talent only takes you so far.
He doesn't move like Brock moves way better than Tua,
but they have something like there was a reason that
(16:59):
he was irrelevant. It's not because and it's not like
no one saw him play at Iowa State. He's smallish,
and he doesn't have a huge arm, and there are
just plays that he doesn't and hasn't been able to
show us that he can make. When he doesn't, he
can't lift up average talent or below average talent the
(17:23):
way that honestly Mahomes has since he lost Tyreek Hill.
So when we hear reports that that rock Perty is
gonna be knighted and given this huge contract, what does
that mean? Are they going all into the sixty million
dollar variety? You know who would know? Our next guest
stuck out the show here on Fox Sports Radio. Charles
Robinson joins us from Yahoo Sports. Senior NFL writer, Charles,
(17:46):
I know you've seen these reports, Like it's one thing
to say we're gonna pay him. How much are they
gonna pay him?
Speaker 5 (17:55):
Well, I mean if you go by the slate of
extensions in the last offseason, you know you have to
ask for sixty million plus one, right, I mean, don't
you have to? You have to go to the top
of the heat. That's the way that agents function. And
you know, given his age, uh, you know, the fit,
(18:17):
the performance up until this year, I have I have
a take on that, but I mean from an agent perspective,
you you always look to reset the market. It's just
the way it goes.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
So what's your take? What's your take on that? I'm
not I'm not letting, I'm lead. You give your take
on it?
Speaker 5 (18:33):
Do I do? I think? What on the take on
them actually doing it? Or or is that the right way?
Speaker 1 (18:38):
I mean, no, you said on his performance up until
this year, he.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
Still got a year lift Like here, here's my thing.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
I let him play it out.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
Yeah. I remember a few years ago when the Browns
were entering they were heading toward uh year five for Baker.
He had he had he was coming off of the
win and the postseason against the Steelers, and they were
deciding that off season whether or not they were going
to give him a contract extension. So there was this
(19:10):
idea that you know, thirty five million a year somewhere
in the range of like thirty five forty million a
year put him, you know, pretty close to the top
of the quarterback stack and get that deal done and
the Browns instead. Because he'd had an up and down,
you know, it was like he was good, one year's bad,
one year he's good, one year's bad, one year, you know,
and there's help and all these different things. They decided,
(19:33):
we're gonna we're gonna take a look, we're gonna wait
and see, we're gonna get another year of data before
we make this decision. And the year that they got
was perfect, and ultimately that's how they ended up parting
company with him. I still think it was the right
decision because I don't think I don't think the Baker
Store would have worked in Cleveland the way it has
in Tampa. They didn't have the same assets, they didn't
(19:54):
have the same offensive line. It was it was just
a different scenario. I don't believe he he would have
necessarily met his potential that he has in Tampa. In Cleveland,
just like I don't think Geno would have blossomed elsewhere,
you know, other other than Seattle. They found the right
fit for Brock. I think given what you have seen
(20:16):
this year, given that he's had shoulder soreness, he's already
had a surgery once on his throwing arm, we've seen
the you know, he struggled at times when different players
have been up and down in the lineup. I think
he's deserving of an extension. I don't think he's deserving
(20:37):
of a top of the heap extension after this season.
I think that the forty nine ers, the prudent thing
would be to go through his fourth year, and if
you decide, okay, he's worth it, you can just franchise
Tag and you do what the Cowboys do with that. Basically,
you say, all right, well we're not going to let
him get away. He's going to get his money, but
(20:57):
we're going to make sure we see all four years
of the data before we do this deal.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
I agree, by the way, the Cowboys, you know, look,
they were going to bite the bullet with a huge
cap hit, and they gave in relented game of contracts tension,
and outside of that, missus Lincoln Hose. How's the show
treating you in in Dallas?
Speaker 5 (21:14):
Yes? And Doug a thing about that too. It was
funny because I was talking to somebody to day. I'm
working on a piece on you know, kind of ranking
the open jobs and the potentially open jobs by quarterback
b like what's the quarterback situation look like? And when
you sit there and you stare at the Cowboys, it's
not just the contract now, which is massive and problematic,
(21:36):
it's the health, right, I mean from waist down. Aren't
you worried now about that? That's two significant surgeries from
below the waist, and I don't think I already saw
after the last one he wasn't moving as well as
he did prior, Like I thought that affected him and
I think this will affect him. And so now you're
talking about you're strapped to the contract, but you're also
(21:58):
strapped to the health, like how healthy is that going
to be able to stay? And what's his mobility going
to look like long term after a couple of significant surgeries.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
It's great, it's a great question. Charles Robinson joining US
Yahoo Sports senior NFL writer. He joins us on the
Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. I just
I went to that Packer Dolphin Thanksgiving Day game. Second
time I've seen two in person, the second time I've
had the same opinion, this time outdoors. Is like in
the AFC, that dog is not gonna hunt in the playoffs.
(22:30):
It just doesn't. And then it's not just the arm.
He can't move, he can't tuck.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
He's owing eight up below forty degrees. That's a real thing, now.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Like that's not Hey, the good news is, the good
news is there's not many cold weather playoff teams in
the AFC outside of Buffalo and Pittsburgh and Baltimore and
Kansas City. Outside of those, there's not a lot of
options for road playoff games in bad weather in the AFC.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
And thank goodness, none of those are difficult places to play.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Yeah, and their defense is really good, I mean, you know, traditionally.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
I just, I just it's one of those things to
where I I get I've talked and I know you
talk a lot more than I have, but the gms
I've talked to you about, like, well, you know, bird
in the hands better than two in the bush, and
just it's so hard to find a guy like I
get it, but you guys are going so far all in,
I mean all in is it it really is? You
don't have King A's high, You got a nice little hand.
Why are you pushing all of your chips in? Why
(23:31):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (23:31):
Yeah, I just think it's it's gotten to the point
now where everyone's I think it's, well, it's a couple
of different things. I think when you talk, it depends
on the age demographic you talk to. Like let's say
you're talking to gms or you're talking like team presidents
or coaches or whoever. The older guys are blaming younger gms,
(23:55):
like they're all they're all saying like they're saying, there's
new owners coming in. They don't know what they're doing.
They're just they're just, you know, doing stupid stuff with contracts.
They're they're rubber stamping what the GM is telling them
they should do. Or there's these young gms you know,
who are spending money and all they you know, they're
just saying that, you know, the CAP's going to go up,
the CAP's going to go up, and so this is
just the world we live in. And you know, they're
(24:16):
all like you got to take a hard, hardline stance.
And it's funny to hear them say that. But then
when they're putting that, you know, position of potentially now
facing Okay, what the abyss with no quarterback? Like, Okay, well,
what do we do if we don't pay the guy?
Are we going to deal him? What could we get
if we deal him? And then and then where do
(24:38):
we find our next quarterback? I mean, it's yeah, I
mean it's it's uh. The Miami Dolphins to have paid
to what they paid him, the Jacksonville Jaguars to have
paid Trevor Lawrence what they paid him, it's I think
part of it is fear based. I think part of
it is you feel pop committed, which I guess sometimes
(24:58):
that's a real thing. You know, if you're if you're
sitting there in the NFL or the Jaguars, you're like, look,
we've been on the other side of this. We've already,
you know, we've we've leveraged everything into this guy. We've
got to make it work. And then and then you know.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
The reality, the reality is they had a crummy quarterback
and went to the AFC Championship Game. It's like they
they've had a lead at halftime, they've totally forgotten about that. Like,
you can make it, you can make it work. It's hard,
it's not fun. It's not not a likely pattern for success.
But you know, but what were But what.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
Were you paying them at that time? That's the thing
you have to factor in how you got them, what
the salary structure look like?
Speaker 1 (25:35):
All right, let me ask you another one, Charles. Charles
Robinson joined us Yahoo's sports and NFL writer Doug Gotlieb
show Fox Sports Radio. I know we all think Aaron
Rodgers is shot, but Kirk Cousins is like, hold my beer.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
I don't watch Falcons games on the regular on a
regular basis. I just don't. I happen to watch this
weekend and I was like, he he can't play anymore?
Like I I almost thought the dumbest move in the
draft has now become the smartest move in the draft
with drafting Michael Beennix, because I don't think Kirk Cousins
se him play anymore? Am I wrong? Is this just
(26:10):
a bad couple of weeks?
Speaker 5 (26:13):
No, I don't. I mean I think I don't think
Kirk's changed. I don't think he's a better player or
a worse player than he was before. I just think
that if we dig deep enough, this is Kirk. I
mean it just is.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
No last year he was thrown for. He was on
pace for six thousand yards. Okay, okay, I mean he
q through, he through. The out route interception was almost
like the cornerback was almost like wait was that for me?
He had to wait for the ball?
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (26:39):
I thought the end zone interception was.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Even more I don't know, it was a pigure It was.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
Okay, But Doug, he didn't play the balance of last
season right like, he didn't finish it. So you just
never got to the point where he hit this moment, right.
It wasn't that long ago that he set the Falcons
you know, passing yardage record, that wasn't that long ago
in a game you know, thrilling, you know, ot win
and we're all like, oh my god, look at the Falcons, like,
(27:06):
well wow, brilliant. Look at Kirks just turned the corner
and look at the winning games on the big stage
and all this stuff, and we thought he was different. No,
he's not. This is just who he is. He is,
who he is, who he's always going to be. Which
is going to be a player who will have some
prolific stretches where he puts up great games and you're thinking, okay, yo,
you can make it work with this guy. You know,
(27:26):
as long as you have the right surround piece as
you protect him, you do this, you do that, and
then he will have a spade of games where you go, no,
this is what you run into. This is the problem.
This is the waiting for the other shoe to drop.
It's going to happen at some point. That that's who
Kirk has proved he has been throughout his career. And
I think Kevin O'Connell took him probably as far as
(27:50):
he probably could take him in that Shanahan offense and
made him about as good as he could he could be.
But again, he didn't play out the balance of that season.
We don't know what point he would have run into
a wall. I just I don't look at Kirk and go, wow,
he's worse, you know, or there's just this big dramatic change.
I think this is just two kirkis. He's gonna have
some good games. He's gonna have these games that prove
(28:11):
the theory of his career correct that you know, it's
the whole what's Daniel Jeremy. I always say trucks versus trailers.
He's a trailer, He's not a truck. He's not going
to pull you to a super Bowl. You're going to
have to pull him to a super Bowl, and you
better have a damn good truck calling him.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Oh okay, let's go back to what he said. The
open quarterback jobs. How many are going to It's not
a great quarterback class, and a lot of the success
stories we're seeing are guys that have already been paid
elsewhere or are on their second or third team around
Right the Sam Donald's look, I mean yesterday last night
was the whole Jamis Winston experience. Like that was amazing, right,
(28:48):
pre game hype speech, some great plays, terrible interceptions, postgame
press conference, bringing the Lord and Savior into it, like
it was the whole Jameis Winston all. It was amazing, Right,
you got Jamis? I see Bak Baker. You know, even
Gino's been, Gino has been well well exceeded anyone's reasonable expectations. Right,
(29:10):
So how much how much appetite is there for young
rookie quarterbacks that aren't gonna make much money as opposed
to kind of it's the uh, it's like the middle
income guys in quarterbacks, these second chance guys, what's it's
gonna be a.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
Look, there's getting a massive appetite based on what the
draft looks like. Right and as you said, the class
you've been hearing it forever. It's a week week class, right,
like cam Ward out of Miami, Like had he gone
in the draft last year, this is how crazy this
this has changed now. And you know there's some Jadon
Daniels to this too, because it was a similar situation
between Jadeen's you know, second to last and last year
(29:47):
in college he improved US stock dramatically, but cam Ward
was like a fourth round, fifth round pick last year.
If he goes in that draft and now he's potentially
the top pick in the draft, top two, top three
pick again, that's that's very similar to sort of what
happened with Jaydeen Daniels. That's why transferred and went to LSU.
But I think the tool the tools, that's different. The
decisions making different. I mean, he's anybody you talk to
(30:10):
there like he still makes some insane decisions with the
football and you know, just there are moments where you're like,
you can't trust him, you know, sad It's like, okay,
you know how high is the ceiling on Shador? Like
is he kind of what he is? And he's topped
out and you know, one guy sort of called him
Tyrod Taylor two point zero like so not yet not
(30:31):
a great class. So I think the appetite for a
Sam Donald in free agency, particularly if Sam Donald, you know,
finishes out the season more towards how he started it.
It's competitive in the playoffs. I think there will be
some teams particularly you know, the Shannan systems prolific. I mean,
it's all over the NFL now, and you know, even
(30:51):
guys that aren't from the Shannan tree are running certain
aspects of the offense. He's mastered and he's running a
very very I think it's the best offense to run
and to master as a quarterback right now. So there
will be I think there will be appetite for a
guy like Darnold, depending on what openings there are. But
in terms of like rookies, look at this year's rookie class.
(31:13):
If the talent's there, the appetite is going to be there,
right And I had earlier in the season. I had
one guy, you know, when we were talking about coming
up on the trade deadline. He said to me, you know,
with Kirk playing at such a high level, he was like,
just wait until before the draft. If Kirk plays out
the season this way with Atlanta, If I'm a team
and I really need a quarterback, I'm calling Atlanta about Pennix.
(31:37):
I'm saying, look, you got your guy right, he's going
to be there. He's going to start the next three
years for you. Send us Penix and we'll send you
a couple first round picks, like go get the better
quarterback who's sitting on someone else's roster. So, yeah, I
think the retads, I think there will be certainly an
appetite for you know, some of those guys. We'll see
who else is available. I think Aaron, Yeah, there could
(31:57):
be some appetite for Aaron. We don't see it now.
It's hard to really envision it. But what if you
get into a scenario where you don't really have a quarterback.
I mean it's sort of like what the Steelers ran into. Yeah,
they're like, okay, we don't have an option yet.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
I don't know. I mean maybe JJ McCarthy becomes available
if they choose to stick with Simpson, Stam Darold Charles
awesome stuff as always, really appreciated joining us. We'll talk
to you very very soon.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
Thanks.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
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Speaker 2 (33:23):
A lot of people with opinions and what happened at
Jacksonville on Sunday between the Texans and Jaguars, specifically the
hit that saw is zzel Shire get a three game
suspension from the NFL today when he knocked Jaguars quarterback
Trevor Lawrence out with that hit. Is Lawrence slid near midfield?
NFL on Fox analyst and soon to be Hall of
(33:44):
Fame quarterback Tom Brady weighed in on the topic when
he joined The Herd earlier today on Fox Sports Radio
and had this to say about the play and specifically
about Lawrence's slide.
Speaker 6 (33:55):
There's mixed emotions that I have about it as well.
The only aspect that I think is very check challenging
and certainly for Trevor Lawrence. Nobody wants to see anybody
get hurt. But it is also the reality of a
very physical sport that we play. Defensive players have to
be aggressive. There's an aspect to me that I think
the quarterbacks and the certainly the quarterbacks need to take
(34:15):
better care of themselves. And at the same time, when
you run, you put yourself in a lot of danger.
And when you do that, I don't think the onus
of protecting an offensive quarterback who's running should be on
a defensive player. I don't think that's really fair to
the defense. So if you slide and it's everyone can
argue was it black and white or was it just
a gray area? Do you slide late or is it
(34:37):
unnecessary roughness or is it a late hit. There's more
design runs for quarterbacks ever now than in the history
of the NFL. So are we really trying to protect quarterbacks?
Because if you are trying to do it through the rules,
then why are the offensive coordinators not protecting their quarterbacks
by keeping them under the pocket and not designing as
(34:59):
many quarterback rights? So you know, maybe they find or
penalize a quarterback for sliding late, you know, and say, look,
we if we don't want these hits to take place,
we've got to penalize the offense and the defense.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Double penalties.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Yeah, that's that's that's interesting. I mean Tom Brady used
to complain anytime a get anywhere near him. People really
think they're going to penalize a quarterback, find a quarterback
for sliding late?
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Come on, well, so Tom tom Brady never really ran,
and so.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
For he was running, everybody thought he was walking, but
he's actually running.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
It's what I think, what I think actually is happening
is people are so annoyed with what Patrick Mahomes did
a few weeks ago that they feel that we are you
fake the slide, yeah, or faked going out of bounds
and ducking in. And we've seen fake slides before in
college football. There's one a few years ago. I know
that was a really big deal. But so now people
(35:59):
are saying, well, like, you look at what Mahomes does.
But I don't know if maybe Trevor Lawrence shouldn't try
to fake slide anymore. But I just I can't find
the great fault in the quarterback in a play like
that on Sunday. Just not when the defender has his
forearm up.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
No, I mean, look the big thing to me, And
again you feel free to disagree if you want. Dan
is it's not like the idea of he went down
late and I was gonna hit him. Fine, you're like
launching yourself with your form and your helmet exactly. So
if he was running, that's not how you're going to tackle.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Him, exactly. Carrier Roads, who I do the show with
on Sunday, says he kind of got to be like Superman.
You gotta fly over him, And yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Why do you have to fly? Why did to launch yourself?
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Sure? Well, in that scenario gave he gave el Shire
an out of all right, you just kind of go
over the top of them.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
But I think I don't think should have been suspended
three games. I think that's ridiculous. On the other hand,
like this defending of him because it was late, We're
like Dad was not close to poper tackling form. Let's
look at ourselves.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Something I'm excited about because I've said it on this
network for years and it's almost come to fruition. Former
Packers and Seahawks head coach Mike Holmgren is a coaching
finalist for induction into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
His candidacy will be voted on in early January by
the Pro Football Hall of Fame Committee and yet in
(37:30):
but he can get in. In fact, he's one of
three former players that are on the finalist list in
the seniors category. So there's the contributor category, the coaching
category of the Seniors committee, and Sharp is now one
of the three players on the seniors category that could
be voted in. But Mike homgrinn on the doorstep of Canton,
which he should be. And I've also openly campaigned for
(37:54):
Mike Shanahan as well, not only for what they did
on the field, but also they're coaching trees and who
they all put in the National Football League. And finally,
Doug Tiger Woods told reporters today still a ways away
from competing against the world's best, had a sixth procedure
on his back two months ago, saying he played in
pain for the end of last season, only basically played
(38:15):
in the majors, saying right now he's not sharp enough
to compete against the world's best as he will not
tee it up at the Hero World Challenge.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
Sad Man six procedures in his pack.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Yeah, I know, we're entering Ed Rooney nine times.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Territory nine times.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
That's the press. They get out there and pressed.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
That was the press.
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Hey, that's just great about Dan Byer. He doesn't quote
movies all the time. When he does, they're damn good ones.
That's their their dear damn good ones. All right, check
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