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October 9, 2024 38 mins

In this version of The Midway, Doug and the crew discuss the best teams of all time to have never won a championship. Doug welcomes NFL analyst Daniel Jeremiah onto the show to discuss his Padres, Drake May and all of the NFL headlines this week. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a Wednesday edition of "The Press". 

 

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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the quick aside. I know it was an insurance commercial.
I'm not going to name who it was because I
don't remember. Actually don't remember who it was. It doesn't matter.
The point is that was a great commercial, right the
camel walking through the office with the cubicles, talk about
hump day with the camel that has an obvious, quite
obvious hump That's that's that's good. I don't know if

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I ever told you guys this, but that's like my
other dream job, right, Like, say, hey, Gottlieb, you got
two jobs. That's good? Got it? Would you just love
to be part of a creative that made commercials?

Speaker 2 (01:16):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
I mean all of us sitting out there and go
like that actually would be fun. That's a fun job.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
And a well paying job. I think.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
Huh.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
I think it's a well paying job too well.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
I mean again, I don't I don't know. Like obviously
you watch mad Men. That's what it was like back
in the in the sixties. I think it's a good
paying job. But just again, the ability to try and
be creative and sell a product and do fun stuff
like that sounds like a good idea. That sounds that
sounds fun. That'll get me up in the morning. I meantime, sports,
I've been doing okay with sports, so I'm cool with that. Look,

(01:51):
we got a big hour for you, Daniel Jeremiah. This
hour is that right? Oh God, Dodger fans, you're just
gonna you're just gonna have to grin and Barrett. Plus,
we'll talk a lot of NFL with with with DJ
but today is middle of the week. It is middle
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to the midway.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
It's it's time for.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
The Midway.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
I want to thank Dan Byer because Dan Byer stopped
us from going down a path which would have been
really really hard. In this heard in this show, which
is in the midway, we want to talk about the
best teams to not win a title. Okay, Now, Jay
Stu wanted to talk, of course about the conversation with

(02:59):
the flawed and postseason format. That's because the Mets are
going to advance and the Dodgers are not, and so
he thinks it needs to be receded. But again that's
just that's a conversation, and we can have it, but
I like the we kind of all like the great
teams that did win a title, right.

Speaker 4 (03:15):
I was inspired by Bill Plaschki's column today, Bill Platchki
Rise for the La Times.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
Love Bill.

Speaker 4 (03:22):
He wrote something that reminded me that Dodger fans feel
this way. He says, Dodger fans still waiting for their
first full season championship in thirty six years, and it
sounds like Bill thinks the way I do. I completely
dismissed the twenty twenty championship that was a COVID late
tournament sprint with and I don't think it's a championship.

(03:44):
I don't think most Dodger fans do. And it got
me to thinking, like, who have the best teams been
over the years to not win a championship? The Dodgers
are certainly falling into that category over the last ten
years thanks to Andrew Friedman. But I wanted to kind
of throw go around the room and see what you

(04:05):
guys thought the best teams to never win a title?

Speaker 1 (04:10):
Dan, I think this one's kind of easy. The best
team to not win a title in the NFL, it
was the New England Patriots that went undefeated and that
was an unbelievable football team. You know, I mean go
back and look, and obviously everybody talks about Eli Manning

(04:31):
and the game they had and the you know, the
breakdown obviously in the offensive line, the was the NASCAR
pass rush. Was that what was called to go called
the NASCAR pass rush, I believe, right, And they were
sixteen to ZHO in two thousand and seven, that NFL.
That team was unbelievable, unbelievable. Go look at their offensive ranks. Okay,

(04:52):
number one yards, fewest turnovers, first in tds first, and
passing yards first and touchdowns third, interceptions ninth, and uh
it was ninth in rushing touchdowns. But then the defense
defense was unbelievable against the run, a lot of the
fewest number of running rushing touchdowns. They were top ten

(05:13):
in just about every single category. It was really really
remarkable team. And it wasn't just that they won, It's
that they were crushing people's soul. Now, the Giants came
close to beating them at the end of the year,
the Jaguars almost beat them in the playoffs. They were competitive,
but I mean, this was a dynamic, dynamic football team

(05:36):
that ended up losing, and it wasn't like they lost
in the blowout. They lost me. It was the David Tyree.
In order for the Giants to win, they need an
absolute miracle catch from David Tyree. When if we're on this,
Eli Manning probably in the in the grass, probably should
have been called down. That's the best football team I've
seen not win a Super Bowl.

Speaker 5 (05:55):
You know what's funny, just another season doesn't have to
do with the topic. But remember their first regular season meeting,
and that's what the Giants said was their inspiration and
upsetting New England in that time. I remember having to
go to my aunt's house I was back home in
North central Wisconsin to watch it because she had the
Dish network, sure, and they had the NFL network, and

(06:18):
I believe that that's where the game was on and
it wasn't going to be correct.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
Yeah, And the only reason I saw it was I
worked at ESPN, and I think I had to go
in to watch it because I don't think it was
on I had the direct TV at the time, and
I thought it was only on Dish. I could be wrong.
I remember having to go into ESPN to watch it.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 5 (06:37):
It wasn't the easy just turned it on and it
was on ABC that was an NFL network, and I
think they ended up laxing some of the rules just
for that game. But the Giants have always said that
was that competitive game that they lost by three helped
them fuel then the upset to knock off that you says,
it's the greatest NFL team of all time to not
win a title wasn't worth.

Speaker 4 (06:58):
Those early NFL networks games in non HD for the
longest time, those were the worst looking games. Do you
remember that, Like most TVs, most of America had become HD,
and for whatever reason, the NFL network was slowed to it.
I'm sure the financial thing.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
I think it was. ESPNHD was the first one they
had like a year. I think that was. It was
like a year or two where they were like one
of the first ones. And and actually SPNHD was like
a different channel for a while there because people didn't
have HD. It's so crazy to watch games and Standard
death and be like, how do we put up with

(07:34):
this for so long? Like what don't you put up with?
That's that's the best there was.

Speaker 6 (07:40):
Whatever happened. Edition Network, by the way, still there is it. Yeah,
a puch, sorry, work through it. We're a direct TV
company here at FSR. Didn't know any better. Yeah, they're
still around.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
I mean, go ahead.

Speaker 5 (07:54):
I was just going to say, I think that the
other the almost given is the Golden State Warriors and
fifteen twenty sixteen season.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
Seventy three yep, yep. I have I have another another
possible if you will, Can.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
I give mine?

Speaker 1 (08:10):
Go ahead and you give yours?

Speaker 2 (08:12):
So I think this kind.

Speaker 4 (08:13):
Of follows on the line with what Dan was saying
with kind of the Warriors. But like, did you guys
know that the most the team that is tied for
the most wins in the history of baseball in a
single season is the two thousand and one Mariners the Yankees,
and they tied the Cubs from nineteen oh six. The

(08:35):
crazy thing about the Mariners team in two thousand and one,
it was each of US's first season. He took the
league by storm. But people forget this fact the Mariners
had traded or lost in free agency Alex Rodriguez, Ken,
Griffy Junior, and Randy Johnson from the previous teams. This

(08:56):
two thousand and one team didn't have those Hall of
famers on it and it's still won one hundred and
sixteen games. I really do think that when people think
back to that team, they're like, oh, they must have
had Randy Johnson. No, No, he was busy winning a
title with the d Backs. Hey, Rod, same way he was.
Does he making money with the Rangers? I want to
say was a little known fact.

Speaker 5 (09:15):
When did Brett Boone have his was that two thousand
and one where he had his fifty home run season?

Speaker 2 (09:20):
He had a fifty home run season. Yes, I mean
right to the to the but holy.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
Yes, yes, yes, yes on both accounts. I'm almost positive
that Dan is correct, and yes you are, you are
very likely to be correct.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
Did Brett go to Villa Park?

Speaker 1 (09:37):
Uh? Yes, although he was he was younger, right, he
was a younger brother. So Bill Park is a high
school by the way, in in the city of Orange.

Speaker 5 (09:48):
It was thirty thirty seven home runs one and forty
one RBIs in two thousand and one finished start in
the It.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
Was Mickey Tettleton that had fifty home.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
Pretty Anderson did as well. So that was the other one.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
Brady Anderston. Brady Anderson, the one that said he had
fruit loops. Yes, what was the secret I had fruit
loops every day like slates for steroids. Is that what
they were?

Speaker 2 (10:09):
I think those Yeah, I don't know. I don't know
that story.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
I can't come two thousand and five USC Trojans. That's
the team that lost to Texas. I want you to
listen to these scores. Sixty three seventeen against Hawaii, played
Arkansas seventy to seventeen. They beat him in the coliseum,
beat Oregon with Kellen Clemens forty five thirteen on the
road in Audsin beat Arizona, stay on the road thirty

(10:37):
eight twenty eight, forty two twenty one to beat Arizona.
Beat Notre Dame by three thirty four thirty one. I
believe that was I'm not sure if that was the
Bush push year. Beat Washington fifty four fifty one twenty four,
beat Washington State fifty five thirteen, beat Stanford fifty one
twenty one. Was that the what's your deal? Bro? Game?
I think it was at Cal thirty five five to ten.

(11:00):
Cow was good at dudes scored fifty against President State
last game of the regular season one Reggie Bush the
heisman that he had. They lost that he got back.
Sixty six nineteen over the number of eleven ranked UCLA
Bruins and then lost to Texas forty one thirty eight.
They were number one the entire season. They had won
back to back national titles and they could not and

(11:23):
I mean they just that roster was ridiculous, was ridiculous.

Speaker 5 (11:29):
And I would yes they were, and I would even argue,
and I don't know what would have happened in that
national championship game, but Texas obviously.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
Goes on and wins it all.

Speaker 5 (11:39):
But Ohio State played Texas that year and I don't
want to say dominated, but they were the better team
for about three quarters of that game. Texas started out
great and they ended great, But it was that Texas
team is one because of Vince Young and everything that
went with it, and then beating USC.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
There's so much lore behind it.

Speaker 5 (11:59):
But I don't even know if Texas was the second
best team in the country that.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
I actually agree with to get Like, here's what people
were like. There was a time when Reggie was getting
get to get his heisman taken that they were like,
well you should give it to Well, why don't give
it to Vince Young? Vinjong was the best player in
the Rose Bowl, But he wasn't the best player all year.
And when people forget about that team, that Texas team was,
they didn't play it last game of the year back

(12:23):
to back games, or I believe last game of the
regular season was Texas played Texas A and M and
they won, like I'm looking up now, forty to twenty
nine and Vince played okay, And then the very next
game on ABC was USC UCLA and Reggie Bush was
like a superhero. You're like, this was an easy call.
You know, sure they beat by the way they beat

(12:44):
Colorado in the Big twelve championship game, Texas did seventy
to three.

Speaker 6 (12:48):
Remember that helps what Gary Barnett coaching the Colorado team.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
I believe, no, not no, everybody. Yeah, it was that
the Naida not only was she bad, but she was
a girl.

Speaker 5 (13:02):
I don't Yeah, dudes have said before that.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
You're like, now, you're like what They had a female kicker,
Katie Naida, who later came out and said that she
was harassed and abused, and when she did, Gary Barnett said,
not only was she bad, but she was a girl.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
I was that the direct quote.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
There's audio of it looking up.

Speaker 5 (13:32):
I know, I thought he was at his doorsteps saying
it as well, like the press came to his house
or something. I don't know, maybe it was something different.
Can I throw a couple of teams in there?

Speaker 2 (13:40):
Please do? This is where Sam gives us four teams.

Speaker 6 (13:43):
No, no, here's one college football team in one NFL team.
I don't know if this was separated by year, but
that I know that it was the five West Virginia
team with Pat White and Steve Slayton. They would have
played for a national secon.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
Yeah, what was it? It was two thousand and seven, right.

Speaker 6 (14:01):
It says Sam always eleven. The two thousand and five
West Virginia team wents eleven and one.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
Yeah, and then they lost up. They lost up, They
lost a pit in the backyard brawl. That was rich
Rod's last game.

Speaker 6 (14:14):
And then they beat In the two thousand and six
Sugar Bowl, they beat Georgia thirty eight thirty five. But
that was definitely a team that could have and should
have played for a national championship.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
Pat why was the quarterback that was back when rich
Rod was that the guyfather? By the way, here's the
here's the quote. Okay, this is the direct quote here.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
And while you read their direct quote.

Speaker 5 (14:32):
Look up the seven West Virginia team, because that's the
one that then rich Rod left.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
I thought, yes, and he was going to go to Alabama.

Speaker 5 (14:39):
Yeah, and they beat They beat uh with the inner
Oklahoma with the.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
Old who was with the interim coach who became the
head seward. Yeah, Bill Stewart a great guy, but not
a good coach.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
But you look up two thousand and seven when Doug
does that.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
Quote, Okay, here's one. It was obvious that Katie was
not very good. She was awful. Katie was not only
a girl, she was terrible. Okay, no other way to
say it. I mean.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
For her to go.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
I mean, like what it was, and it was a
response to she was she she was alleged that she
was raped. Like what? Okay, how what are you doing? Gary?
What are we doing?

Speaker 2 (15:20):
All Right? I got one more NFL team. I need
to make a commentary before we get this one in.

Speaker 4 (15:25):
So I need to so all those people out there,
all those snowflakes that are complaining that the w n
b A is getting mistreated and all this stuff they needed,
they need to read that quote that Doug just wat
and how much worse it was back then because now
you're complaining about microaggressions and things that aren't tangible. People

(15:45):
were just blatant, misogynistic, blatantly politically incorrect back in the day.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
By the way, I have, I have the actual answer
to this question. But but go ahead, go ahead, go ahead,
Sam philibusterow you well, I have.

Speaker 6 (16:01):
This is a distant runner up to that Patriots team.
But how about the nineteen ninety eight Minnesota Vikings getting
oh so close to going to the NFL, right to
the Super Bowl, but then losing.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
To the Falcons.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
No, they didn't go to Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
No, I know. They Falcons went to the super Bowl,
but then miss missed.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
The field goal, which Anderson was their kicker, Gary, Gary,
and Gary again, Sam, I think you might have been
a MEBA stage at that age.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
I was only about twelve.

Speaker 6 (16:28):
Yeah, but I wanted to bring this up for you
guys to sort of just chew on a little bit.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
I can tell you exactly where I was when he
missed the kick. Gary Anderson hadn't missed the kick all year,
missed the one that sent him to the Super Bowl.
That was Rainy Moss and areno cutting hand the rebirth
and the offensive courtinate. It was Brian Billick.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
I will also I Will Carter was on it.

Speaker 5 (16:48):
I will say this first grade of a team that
was I still don't know if they beat Denver in.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
The Super Bowl, come me not?

Speaker 1 (16:55):
Denver was so good?

Speaker 2 (16:56):
They were they were really good.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
Can I answer? But the actual answer to that question
was yes, UNLV nineteen ninety nineteen ninety one.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
Yeah, they were.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
Defending national champions. They were thirty four to zero and
they lost to Duke in the semi finals. And again,
if you watch the game, there's a couple of different
things you need to know. One, Teddy Valentine known as
TV Teddy, a terrible call to foul out Greg Anthony
and their team changed dramatically when he left the game.

(17:29):
But also, obviously what everybody wonders about is it looked
like and on the up and up, it looked like
they just lost to a team that had they had
beaten by thirty the year before, the year before, Bobby
Hurley was sick and they didn't have Grant Hill. But
surely thereafter there was pictures of a guy named Richard
the fixer Perry in Vegas in a hot tub with

(17:50):
a couple of the players just makes you wonder, right,
I mean, UNLV was so good that year. Go and
look at what they did to people. It was it
was amazing. Right. Here is what they did in the
NCAA tournament. They beat Montana by forty, They beat Georgetown
by eight, They beat Utah by seventeen. In the semi finals,
they beat Seaton Hall by twenty two, and they lost

(18:12):
the assuming the regional final. They lost to the Seat
in Hall by twenty two, beat Seat by seat Now
by twelve, and they lost to Duke in the national semifinals.
And They're only lost the year by two points. We
lost the year. They were ranked number one in just
about every statistical and analytical category.

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Daniel Jeremiah is going to join us in a moment.
Of course, he of the NFL Network fame, he is.

(19:06):
He's the guy when the NFL Draft comes on, and
of course this year you'll see it right here in
my new hometown of Green Bay, Wisconsin. He'll be here.
He'll be evaluating. Well, ask him about Drake May and uh,
Drake May getting his first start with the New England Patriots.
Plus we had a lot of other things to get
before we do. Though, let me eat a quick update. Okay,
well let me you know what, Let's just go to
DJ and and and bring him in. DJ joins us

(19:30):
now on the Doug Gottlib Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Do you want to wax poetic on your padres? Are
you okay with the like? My thing on the padres
is this, I think they got the Dodgers kind of
playing their game. The bat flips, the trash talk, the
staring guys down, the messing with the crowd. I you know, look,
I think there's other reasons that they're winning and probably
gonna win this series, but I do think part of

(19:51):
it is this is the style of baseball. These are
the players that they have, and they got the Dodgers.
They're in the Dodger's head a little bit about how
they play.

Speaker 7 (20:00):
All right, Can I give you the counter argument to that,
Doug it's crazy analysis. You got to wait for it here.
The Potter's are better than the Dodgers. This isn't some miracle.
They beat them eight out of thirteen times during the
regular season. They took them out of the playoffs the
last time they played them. The Padres don't strike out.
The Dodgers starting pitchers have three strikeouts through three games three,

(20:22):
So I just I kind of laugh. It's like they're
in their head and they're emotional, and we got to
match our intensity. I'm like, they're better. They're just better
than the Dodgers. So we'll see if they can get
the last win here. But they've got better starting pitching.
Both bullpens are good, but I'd take the Padres and
the Padres have a longer lineup, so we'll end. You know,
the Dodgers defense stinks, But are we.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
Okay with saying all that can be true and they're
in their head a little bit?

Speaker 7 (20:48):
No, Yeah, they might be in their head, but I
just think sometimes I hear that and I think like
people are saying somehow they're like punching above their weight,
and I'm like, I don't know, I've watched these games.
If you tell me that anybody's better than Frando Tattoos
in this series, I'm not watching the same thing anybody
else watching.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
Daniel Jeremiah join us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio. Yeah. I mean, Jayce dou, you
even would say you saw this one coming a mile away, correct?

Speaker 4 (21:12):
I did. I had almost zero faith in my team
coming into the series for all the reasons that Daniel
just pointed out, but then the context of being a
Dodger fan in the last ten years, the hallmark of
a Andrew Friedman team is to have amazing regular seasons
and fold in the playoffs. And it's getting old, all right.

Speaker 7 (21:34):
One of the things said that being said, I'm scared
to death tonight because I just it just baseball's weird.
And I mean, Tonny get it three home runs tonight
and you go back to LA and anything could happen
in a game five. So it's so stressful.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
Doug.

Speaker 7 (21:49):
What I was just telling Jay Stu before I came on,
I'm like, I have tickets to night, but I'm gonna
just stay at home watch with my son. But why
do I care so much? Like I'm not really a
little How long are you? Any other way on?

Speaker 1 (22:00):
How good are your tickets?

Speaker 7 (22:01):
Well, my dad's had seven tickets for thirty years. There's
three rows.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
How good are your tickets? Again, if you don't have
to humble brag your dad, who's an amazing man and
one of the nation's great preachers. Okay, how good are
your tickets?

Speaker 7 (22:13):
There's three roads up from first base.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
I don't know, dude, I kind of think you got
to go to the game.

Speaker 7 (22:20):
I mean, but we've had good mojo. When I, me
and my son went last night they won. I feel
like I don't want to mess with that mojo when
we're to get.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
You went and they won, You're not going today. No,
you're messing with the mojo by staying home.

Speaker 3 (22:35):
I can't.

Speaker 7 (22:35):
I can't take him. He's a junior football practice, so
he wouldn't be able to get down there in time.
So you got to make that decision. You got to
stick with the mojo so that what times the practice
they practiced till six yesterday we left the guy. I
pulled them a little early, which you know, whether or
not that was the right thing to do as a parent,
I don't know. But we we went down there yesterday.

(22:57):
But Mike can't. We can't miss part of practice two
days in a row, so we gotta we gotta go.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
They practiced those six games? What time tix?

Speaker 2 (23:03):
So eight?

Speaker 1 (23:05):
How far is the drive?

Speaker 7 (23:07):
Twenty minutes parking another ten to get in?

Speaker 1 (23:10):
He doesn't drive, he drives, Yeah.

Speaker 7 (23:13):
But I wouldn't have an other parking spot for him there?

Speaker 1 (23:17):
Him down sen him an over father's son. Elimination of
the Dodgers, I don't know. I think I think, as
they say in surfing, Eddie would go s Doug Gottlieb
show here on Fox Sports Radio. All right, let's let's
get to Aaron Rodgers. Okay, so let me get the straight.
Aaron Rodgers claims to have no had no working knowledge
they were going to fire Robert sala even though Woody

(23:41):
Johnson called Aaron Rodgers before they fired Robert Salakay, so
at at least Aaron Rodgers could have come out and
said or could have called Woody Johnson back and said, like, hey, man,
what are you firing a guy for? I like the guy.
He's it's not the problem. Okay, reality is that Aaron

(24:01):
Rodgers probably didn't think Robert Sala was good enough, and
Woody Johnson wanted to fire him, especially when he was
trying to get rid of his boy is offensive coordinator,
and that's what was done. Just all he just doesn't
want to own it, right, which there's not. There actually
be nothing wrong with owning and going like, look, I've
been on championship teams. That's not a championship coach. I
like him, but it's not there Like, are we really
going to believe that Aaron Rodgers had nothing to do

(24:22):
with it?

Speaker 4 (24:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (24:24):
I mean, I'm always going to take people at their
word on that stuff. And that's what they say. I'm
not gonna say I know otherwise. I just it's it's
a little bit interesting just that they hired his hand
picked offensive coordinator before they even made the trade to
acquire him. That's how far they were going to go to, uh,
you know, to make Aaron Rodgers comfortable and happen.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
They let him go get random like it's it's Pickers East. Yeah,
they let him make personnel decisions but they're not gonna.
They're not gonna at least let him in, give him
a heads up on the biggest personnel decision you can
possibly make it an NFL team, just changing head coach.

Speaker 7 (25:02):
Yeah, I mean, I guess my uh, maybe it's the
conspiracy theory. My conspiracy theory might lean more towards I
don't know that Aaron Rodgers would have told him to
fire him. But I also don't know that Aaron Rodgers,
you know, stood in his way to.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
Take the take the hit.

Speaker 7 (25:15):
You know, that's just outside looking in. I just have
a hard time thinking and decision of that magnitude gets
made without consulting the guy who you've literally built the
entire roster, in entire plan around.

Speaker 4 (25:27):
So that's not just that.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
But his big issue with the Packers was that he
wasn't consulted when they when they went and drafted Jordan
Love right. Yeah, yeah, So you come from a relationship
where they don't consult you that he's they say, hey,
we're going to consult you on stuff. They do consult
you on stuff. Then they played poorly. He plays poorly
in London. The owner calls him and it doesn't come up.

(25:52):
Come on, man, like, what are we even doing? What
are we even doing? Are we all that? Like we're
all that naive that? And Pat mcwe's going, oh yeah,
oh sure, absolutely there don't you know. I don't buy
that for a second. Here's here's my question. Okay, is
he just because I saw him, you know, hey, get

(26:13):
the play in? He was doing the finger circle thing like,
let's go it right. So he's clearly like his guy
struggles to get to play. And that's what happened when
they were in Denver and he was the head coach.
They couldn't get the plays in. Okay, how much of
his issues are the offense and the personnel? How much
of it is he ain't that he's not Aaron Rodgers anymore.

Speaker 7 (26:33):
Yeah, I think you see glimpses of what he was
as a thrower. But I also think that his success,
you know a lot of it the way he plays,
his style of play, is dependent on you know, kind
of I'll say, same page as them in terms of
not only the play calling, but being on the same
page with his white House. And you can see even
though you know, Garrett Wilson caught a bunch of balls

(26:54):
this last week, they targeted bazillion times, but they still
it's all just quick hitters and slants. They're getting nothing
down the field. There's no you know, there's no you
trust or rhythm and timing there. And then you saw
on the game deciding pick. You know, Mike Williams has
been kind of a fish out of water there. You know,
he has coming off of injuries and played a ton,
but you know he tries to throw a back shoulder

(27:16):
if they're not on the same page. He'd like to
turn around picked off game over. So you know, I
think that needs time to kind of gel for that stuff.
But I don't know that anybody is going to be
patient in that situation that they're in right now. Obviously,
when you've changed the head coach after five weeks that
speaks to that. So at this point in time, I'm
not I don't think DeVante Adams is what he was

(27:37):
maybe three four years ago, but I could you know,
you're you're already pot committed. If you're the Jets, like
I would, just you might as just go do it.
At least it's somebody who's going to have timing and
he's going to be comfortable with. With Rogers, you're you're
all in on this whole thing, so you might as
well take whatever, you know, whatever measure you need to take.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
Daniel Jeremiah is our guest. You're on the Doug Gottlieb
Show on Fox Sports Radio. Does DeVante Adams makes it
makes sense for the Raiders, right they're going nowhere?

Speaker 2 (28:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (28:04):
I mean and oh yeah, by the way, if the
Jets want to give you a second round pick that
looks right now like a high second round pick as
supposed to the Chiefs, that's a load second that's basically
a third round pick. But does it make sense to
the Jets.

Speaker 7 (28:17):
Yeah, I think it does, just for you know, the
reasons that I just gave. I just think that you're
you're gonna you're going to sink or swim based off
Aaron Rodgers playing well, and you've already you've already kind
of given him everything else that he's asked for in
terms of coaching and personnel. I just I think you're
so far down this road you might as well just
finish it off. And I would hope that you could

(28:39):
get that deal done for a third I know our
buddy Tom's probably asking for a two. That would be
a heck of a hall. If you were to get
a two, considering the money that's owed and considering this
can be a one year rental, I would take a three,
especially if you think if you don't believe in the
Jets and think that could be a high three. I'd
definitely rather get a high three from the Jets than
trade him inside the division for a two.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Stuck got leave show here on Fox Sports Trader Drake
may is gonna get going to get the start. You know,
I love Jacoby Brissette as like a backup leader, but
clearly not good enough and it's not a particularly good team.
But again, we do run into this like we're seeing
these maybe Baker is he had some weaponry around him
and that thing went bad. Uh, But you know Sam

(29:21):
Donald's with the Jets. That wasn't a well enough coach, team,
didn't have good enough team around him, Right, you fear
the I'll just use the Sam Donald There's been others, right,
David Carr, what's your level of confidence that this is
the right time to play Drake may Well?

Speaker 7 (29:37):
First of all, actually I really like Drake may and
I'm excited for him to play. I'm not I'm not
confident that it's going to go well, just based off
what's in front of them. You know, they've had some
they've had a couple of competitive losses so far. I
think they have two close losses and you know, kind
of got their doors blown off twice. But is he

(29:58):
it's two part of right. Is he better than Jacoby Brissett? Yes?
He better? You know, he give you a better chance
to win. Sure, is he set up to be you know,
successful and confidence building going forward his career based off
how they have personnel in front of him. No, so
that's going to be their defense. You have to play
lights out and they're going to have to minimize the

(30:20):
amount of times he drops back or you know, not
only will you struggle. I think this is kind of
one of those situations where you could kind of stunt
a kid. So I thought they would wait a little longer.
I thought they'd try and give him, you know, maybe
three four games at the end of the year and
not expose him to the group that he has there.
But man, they made that call a little earlier than
I expected.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
What did Caleb Williams do better? Last week?

Speaker 3 (30:42):
One?

Speaker 7 (30:43):
He got protected? So but he's every week I said,
it from the Houston game, you know, in that Houston
game and it was on national TV, and he got
just obliterated and hit a million times. He showed that
he was tough. They were close on a couple of
big plays down the field. A couple of the chunk
plays they did end up getting were the result of penalties.

(31:03):
So when you look at a box score three weeks later,
you don't get any credit for those yards even though
you made the right read, the right throw. You get
a PI, you get the yards, but you don't get
it individually. So I was seeing, Okay, that was a
good kind of a little glimpse of what he could do.
Then the next week a little bit more and then
now you see it actually give him clean pockets and

(31:23):
he was, you know, kind of look like college Caleb,
and he was dealing it all over the field. So
I think with young quarterback, you just want to see
those glimmers of hope in every game. And I've seen
more from him each and every week, and he's playing
with more trust and confidence, not having to wait, you know,
on guys, just trusting they're going to be where they're
supposed to be and let the ball go with some anticipation.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
DJ, you are the best, whether you sit on the
couch or you sit in the stands. Enjoy the game tonight, man,
I know how big man you are. I appreciate joining us.

Speaker 7 (31:53):
I appreciate I'm looking forward to being friends with Jay
stew In a couple.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
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is the NFL an listen. Of course, he's the voice
of the La Charger.

Speaker 3 (32:03):
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Speaker 1 (32:14):
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(32:35):
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right after the show. Let's get to the press.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
The press.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
Damn Byer, What do you got, Bud?

Speaker 5 (32:53):
Doug and I want to rip PTI off with this,
but they're they're it's not a correction necessarily, Iowa, Sam,
is it more of an apology? Where do you want
to go? Because this stems from the midway where we
were throwing out a lot of information, some of it
was misinformation? Sam, Where do you want to go with this?
I think we just issue a correction. I misremembered.

Speaker 6 (33:16):
I confused the five West Virginia team with the seven
West Virginia team. They were really contenders though for those
you know, three seasons there, but they really were. Yes,
they were in the National Championship hunt in seven, not five,
even though they had a great record.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
No five, Am I right there?

Speaker 1 (33:30):
Dan?

Speaker 2 (33:30):
Is that that is one hundred percent correctly? Litle bit?

Speaker 5 (33:33):
And also, just for the record, when I said, Doug's
gonna read the Gary Barnett quote, Sam, look up two
thousand and seven, and I think that that would be
the season, and then you never did, so I was
just correct.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
I just completely ignored me on.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
This now, throwing you a lifeline so that you make
sure you check yourself, and then you're like, nah, I'm good.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
And then I wrecked myself. He did, but we got
it cleaned up, cleared up.

Speaker 4 (33:56):
Now.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
The other thing about youth is right, its wasted on
the young.

Speaker 4 (34:00):
Well, the twitter reaction has been plentiful. This one from
Corvette Guy thirty two. How does Sam get the years
wrong on that West Virginia story? What a moron. That's
the worst thing I've heard on the radio since somebody
confused Bob Newhart being on the Mary Tyler Moore Show.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
That was me.

Speaker 6 (34:20):
Another tweet from Corvette Guy in nineteen seventy three, confusing
Richard Preston with John Krackhauer. I mean, that's crazy how
that happened. He didn't write the hot zone. John Cracker
didn't write the hot Zone. Come on, Sam, all right,
so funny all these mistakes I'm making.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
Cheez. Corvette Guy's really after me these days.

Speaker 5 (34:36):
There is a change head quarterback. Doug by the way,
we really enjoyed the Midway. I didn't even think we
got to like our teams that we thought we were
really good.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
There were something.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
No, did I hijack that one?

Speaker 4 (34:48):
No?

Speaker 5 (34:48):
No, it's okay, it's a good midte I don't I
didn't think you hijacked at all, to be honest with you. So,
but there's just a lot of meat on the bone.
As we like to say, the Raiders are turning to
Aidan O'Connell as they're starting quarterback. He will start Week
six against the Steelers, replacing Gardner Minshew.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
Yeah whatever, I mean one one backup quarter one journeyman
backup quarterback who's playing the playoffs for a journeyman backup
quarterback who's pretty young.

Speaker 5 (35:12):
Well yeah, it's his second year. He hasn't journeyed yet.
But I think also it's a good reflection.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
Future journeyman, right sure, man, you know, kind of feels
like a guy who at the end of it is
gonna be on like ten teams, Like is he still
in the league and he goes trots out there and
throws the coup, passes or fumbles a snap on an
extra point.

Speaker 5 (35:29):
It's going to lead into my next story because I
do think that Gardner Minshew thrives in saving the day,
but he's not suited for that day one role where right,
if he's there as the starter, probably not going to
work out. But if you need him for four weeks

(35:50):
or for eight weeks. Last year with the Colts as
the backup coming in. He seems to flourish more in
that role than the number one guy.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
Yes, yes, so which I actually Anderson from Oregon State.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
What was his day, Derek Anderson. Huh Derek Anderson.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
Yes, Derek Anderson. I knew a friend on that staff
in Cleveland when he was he got the starting role
like mid year, and supposedly the deal was like they
wouldn't announced he was a start until right before the
game because if they told him he was the start
of the start announced at start of the week, he'd
just get too nervous.

Speaker 5 (36:26):
That's pretty extreme fantactic, Like it means you knew he
was starting last year for the Colts, but there wasn't
as much pressure because they lost Anthony Richardson. But now
when you're the starter from week one, like there's there's
an expectation to perform, and I feel that's the case
with Russell Wilson. I actually think Russell Wilson could maybe
help his career if he has to come in and

(36:47):
save the day for the Steelers a full participant in
practice today, Steelers have the Raiders in Las Vegas coming
up on Sunday. We still expect Justin Fields to start
that game.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
Practice practice, no press. I don't think they have a quarterback.
I don't think either of them particularly good. I'm just
I'm gonna stick by that one. At the end of
the year, the Steelers will be looking for a starting quarterback.

Speaker 5 (37:09):
No practice today for Giants wide receiver Molik Neighbors still
dealing with that concussion and you may have heard me
mention it in the update. But if you're just joining us,
Nico Collins going on IR because of his hamstring injury.
So the Texans will be without their wide out for
at least the next four games.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
Oh yikes. That's a no bueno, no bueno at all.

Speaker 5 (37:30):
And Iowa Sam still a good pick though in our
wide receiver draft a couple of days, a couple of
weeks ago with NTO.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
Collins stays healthy and he's leading the league.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
And that's the press.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
Get out there and pressed. That was the press.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
Okay, got two series that are two to one. Do
the Phillies extend? Anybody?

Speaker 2 (37:49):
Sure? Give me the Phills?

Speaker 1 (37:50):
Did the Dodgers extend? Jase do?

Speaker 2 (37:53):
Probably not, guys.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
I just I mean, well, we can all cheer on this.
Let's loot for the Royals, so the Yankees. This is
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