May 7, 2025 • 38 mins
On this installment of The Midway, Doug and the crew share their theories on why we have had so many late comebacks and choke jobs in these NBA playoffs. Doug reacts to something Tom Brady said in a recent podcast about Shedeur Sanders. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through "The Press".
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Coming up on four like I said, coming up on
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Speaker 2 (01:27):
It's it's time for the Midway.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Okay, for Midway topics today. By the way, I knew
what I want to talk about, Dan, it was Gabe Davis,
just like you want to talk about a guy who
had he had such a good year with the Bills
and he goes to the Jags and that clearly did
not work. One and done. There.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Yeah, new coach, new regime. You got Travis Hunter now
there to go along with Brian Thomas. So yeah, sometimes
it just doesn't work out.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Just sometimes it doesn't work out. Okay, do you guys
have a theory on why there have been so many
comebacks here, especially in the NBA playoffs? You want some
are choke jobs. Some are just old fashioned comebacks. Some
are a little bit in the middle, Like, what's a
(02:21):
working theory that you have? I have one more hypotheses, right,
because the theory is one that's proven. Go ahead, go ahead, Jason.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
So you know, we talk about all the time the
NBA's effort to try to get players engaged during the
regular season. We got the NBA Cup, we got the
All Star Shenanigans, and then we got this stupid play
in tournament. All is an effort to get interest from
the players to play harder. They mask it as a
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gift to the fans, but it's actually a way to
get the players to play harder, to be engaged, to
be competitive. Well, what happens when you have an unengaged
uh a set of young players that aren't competitive during
the regular season, and then they get into these ball
these the butt squinching moments in a playoff game when
it really matters. The guy that I don't know the
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name of, Dan will know. You'll know whoever threw the
inbounds pass to the pacer last night.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
That was the end of the game. Again, that was
a choke.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Again, we just talked about it. Did it did it
again like.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Two nights ago. What happened at the end of the
game with with with Holme Grin. That's a choke. These
guys are not in moments like this at all ever,
and they're not engaged. The regular season doesn't matter. They're
not practicing. So who who are doing well in these
moments Jimmy Butler and Haller Burton, guys that have done
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it before. Olympians.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
I think that's part of the reason for these like
unprecedented level of choke jobs.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Sam, do you have it? Do you have a theory
on that? Dan?
Speaker 3 (04:03):
You go ahead, I've got yeah, because it's it does.
I don't know if it piggybacks, I don't know if
it rides shotgun to it, but I feel it's the officiating,
and I feel that there's a couple of different factors
at work. I think that Jason's right. In a normal
regular season game, when the Calves go up seven on
the Pacers, the Pacers may just go down and they
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don't get a bucket. It's game over. Let's run the
shot clock down. Even at seven points that I'm like,
we are not going to make a furious comeback. But
it's different in the playoffs, and I think that there
is something to that. I also feel the officiating because
we've seen a lot of turnovers on pressure last night,
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in other scenarios where I feel that we're seeing turnovers
because guys are hesitant, I don't think officials are making
the foul calls in those scenarios. And on the flip
side out of it, you know the Halliburton three point
play last night. There are a couple of three point
play opportunities we've seen throughout the playoffs. We know NBA officials,
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they love to be up in the business and if
there's a big play to be able to call that
basket and a foul, and I feel that that has
happened at times. I don't know if all of these.
I mean, Karl Anthony Towns got mugged a few times
in Boston in Game one, but it wasn't in the clutch.
It wasn't with seconds remaining, or the knicks down four
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and maybe changing momentum, and you can call one, but
they're calling them in those situations, a touch foul, a
late whistle, allowing the games to be closer. And so
when one side and I'm not saying it's the pacers.
I'm saying. It feels like the team that's ahead isn't
getting a whistle when they're trying inbound, and the team
that's behind is. I think that that's why you've seen it,
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and I feel like I've seen it multiple times in
these NBA playoffs, not only in the first round, but
also in a couple of games here in the second round.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
I agree with you guys in terms of it, and
this is like a it's a real thing in terms
like practice, right when you can't replicate, you can't replicate
the intensity of the NBA Playoffs. You can't replicate like
all of these breakdowns and inbounds passes have been when
the team doesn't have a timeout and it's like they've
never played. It's like suddenly they've forgotten how to play
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basketball when you don't have a timeout to advance the ball.
I would also say, though, that there's just some weird stuff.
I mean, three two nights in a row, a team
up three, bowls up three and loses both those games
in regulation. Hard to do. It feels like things that
go bump of the night. Yet it happened. Why do
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I think it happens? I think Jason, you're pretty much
on it. It's that the attention to detail is just
not great in the regular season and it matters so much,
and comebacks are so normal in the regular season they
shouldn't be in the postseason, but they are. I'll also
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tell you that it's the reason that twenty four second
shot clock is brilliant, because you look up and you're like, well,
this game's over, and you're like, no, Actually, if you
look at it with two and a half minutes, there's
plenty of time, plenty of possessions. But again, some of
it's the NBA's rules, and some of it is how
these NBA teams use the rules, Like if you have
a ten point league with two and a half to go,
like every shot you take, every shot you take should
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be as the shot clock expires, unless you're unless you
have a wide open layup or a wide open three
as the shot clock expires. Teams don't run clock the
way they can, even within twenty four second shot clock.
So I think it exposes some of the lack of
IQ of the players, the lack of intensity of the
regular season, and also the skill in the shot making
of NBA teams and that you know, if it's two possessions,
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they can make it up really quick with two shots.
All of those threes that people hate that they take,
they love it when they take them and make them
in comebacks. What about you there, Sam? What do you think?
Speaker 3 (08:13):
I think Sam passed.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
I think the reason why I thought about this today
is because so during the transition between games last night,
when Stan Van Gundy's crew took over for the Pacers game,
he was asked this question, how do you account for this?
And his answer was something along the lines of the
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game has changed so much, so fast. Yeah, and all
the three pointers, and then he didn't expound on that.
I'm like, I need to hear more, Like what does
that mean exactly? Do you understand what he means?
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Yeah, just you could make up points so much quicker,
and guys are so used to shooting it, you know,
they're not panic shots anymore. So. Yeah. And I think
also with it comes this idea that you know, you're, okay, hey,
we can't give up a three, and so then somebody
shot fixed and they'll get wide open lamps, Like, wait,
you fought for forty six and a half minutes to
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not give up any buckets and now you're just gonna
give up lamps. I do think the three point shot
changes how you guard, chase a space the floor, and
then offensively, there's just an ease to it, an understanding
of it where it's it's not like it's not a miracle,
and guys get very confident shooting him. But it's true.
No lead is safe in the NBA. None, well zero.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
It's and I'll say this about the pacers. I'll give
Tyre's Halliburton credit that when he attacked the basket there
were fifteen seconds left on the clock or neighborhood maybe
give or take, and he's still going for a two,
like you know in that scenario. Now he got fouled,
so he had two shots because he didn't make the basket.
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But there they didn't panic in essence of even if
Halliburton makes the two, and I don't think he, I
don't think he purposely missed unless there was a post
game again as my anniversary last night, so I didn't hear.
If he did purposely miss, it was a great miss
and the caves didn't have a lot of size on
the floor aside from Jared Allen. Then it obviously worked
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out to their advantage. But I felt like he went
to the basket and we're willing to then foul again
and do what they needed to do on the next
possession if it played out that way. But they didn't
panic in that scenario. They did it against the Bucks.
We saw the Bucks in their Game five just give
it away with a couple of bad turnovers, and we
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saw how frantic those situations were. We saw Oklahoma City.
You bring that scenario up and inbounding and how you
play that scenario and just getting the ball to the
right person or Chet Holmgren's case, the wrong person at
that time. Yeah, a lot of that.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Remember we talked the other day about this and Dan
said that, like one of the reasons people like watching
college sports or college basketball is because it's flawed. And
I the point that I think I was trying to
make is that these games are not being won because
of great play, there being one because of brain farts
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and gripping it too tight when it matters most. So
it's almost like you.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Don't think Halliburton that was that was a great play,
Like he gets the offensive rebound, Like, yeah, you can
absolutely point to the cabs. Hey, you got a box
out in miss free throw.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
He never gets to that play though if the guy
imbounds the pass, Yeah, it is.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Fair, He's one hundred percent correct.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Yeah, But again, I do think there's a there's a
skill in some of the shot making and then these
comebacks and you know, hacking Aaron Gordon. Yeah, Chet Holgren
choked two free throws. Aaron Gordon still may the three.
Otherwise there is no and that doesn't matter. So you're right.
I'm not. Again, this is not me saying you wrong.
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I do think that we have a tendency to I mean,
any of these great shots down the stretch, for the
most part, historically comes back from a misfree throw. You know,
it's like we think about this all the time. How
many times have we been watching playoff baseball or or
even regular season baseball and a late inning comeback that
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ends in a home run? How does the rally usually
start chase two a walk? Yes, it almost always starts
with a walk, right, And so when if you're going
to do the post mortem on a great comeback or
a walk off home run, yeah, you can mention the walk.
But we do have a tendency to focus on like
can you believe that guy hit a walk off home run,
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and we don't point out the negative of the walk
whereas here in basketball, instead of pointing out the Tyrese
Haliburton shot which would be the home run, or the
Aaron Gordon shot, which would be the home run, we
point out the negative. First. Hey, play's really not that
good when this is kind of how it's always been.
It's like Keith Smart's jump shot on the baseline for
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Indiana to beat Syracuse in the nineteen eighty seven National
Championship game. Dan, you and I weren't old enough to
truly remember it, but I'm guessing you remember what preceded
that jump shot?
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Oh was it?
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Well?
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Yeah, did mister Syracuse knows? Was it? Derek Coleman? Was
he at the line?
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Yeah? Yeah, Derek Coleman missed a front end of a
one and one, and Keith Smart comes down. They pass around,
he shoots a fade or he sees a leaner on
the on the left base line, and wins the game.
No one goes back and says, like, oh, Derek. Some
people still think Derek Coleman choked, and he probably did
at nineteen years old. But when we look back, we
look at the shot, not the mist that preceded. Yet
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here in the NBA we're focusing on, Hey, you didn't
box out Bucks out. I guess I'm sounding like I'm
defending it, but I'm really just trying.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
To tell the whole You know, what you're saying is like,
if the mishap ends the game, then that's the takeaway.
Bill Buckner's mishap ended the game. Uh, Chris Weber's time
out ended the game. So there was no great shot
or a base hit after you know Buckner's play. But
you're saying that there was a game winning shot to
be made and these guys stepped up and made it.
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So two things could be true.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Yes, yes, yes, I think that.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
I think these whistles though they they really they want drama.
They do, yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
They always have. Man, the NBA is this is I swear,
And I'll also point this out, like where has it
been dramatic? Dan Byer? Yes, okay, are we fair to
say that? I know it doesn't have the ratings. I'm
not saying it's as popular, but the NBA playoffs has
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been better than the NFL playoffs to date. This year,
this year alone been unbelievable. The watch is unreal, Like
the Knicks come from twenty down to beat the Celtics
in Boston. This whole Pacers run has been crazy, how
they beat the Bucks in their final game, the two
wins here, especially this win last night Nix Pistons was
(15:27):
an awesome watch, super super competitive. So the point is
that you want to talk about these two things can
be true, Jay stew And you're right. NBA basketball, like
Major League Baseball, I think, is actually better than it's
been just reputation wise. The numbers don't reflect as much,
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don't reflect as much.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
I don't know if it fits in our window, but
shake Gilgess, Alexander made his free throws, chet Holmgrid did not.
Tire's Halliburton's been making these clutch shots for the Pacers.
Jalen Brunson's been magnificent. I think also in certain spots
when we're looking at this of last night, I think
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was it Max Strus who made the inbounds pass with
the bad pass? Just getting your ball to the to
the guy that needs to have the ball is half
the battle, and for some reason teams can't figure it out.
You know, Cleveland after the Pacers cut it to three,
used their final time out and then advanced the ball
and they still couldn't inbound it. And I don't know
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if that's on Kenny Atkinson. I don't know it's on
Donovan Mitchell. I don't know if it's on the injuries
that other guys aren't in the game.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Nah, you know, but it's it's it's really on the inbounder.
You got to get that ball in bounce, So you
gotta get the ball mounts rule number one. And for
any play, any play you run in basketball, the most
important aspect of an obie play. A side that a
bounds is a slop sideline out of bounds. Rule number one.
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Do sorryus just humming to myself. Just uh, I don't know.
Spring and all these great NBA games just kind of
re energize you, re energizes you. Hey, you know we
hadn't discussed we hadn't discussed the John Elway. I was
(18:19):
because I played golf yesterday and I dance. I know.
It's like your favorite spot on Earth and you have
friends there, and Aaron Hills may not favorite spot on Earth,
but one of your one of your favorite courses in
your home state. I was at Aaron Hills. Now you
walk Aaron Hills, but to get out to the hole,
there was a golf cart and of course you know,
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now it's like a day. I don't want to stand
up on the back because that's what happened with John
Elway's business partner and reportedly like best friend. Uh yeah,
that's a that's a tricky one right there. If you're
like John Elway, and I mean, now, if you play golf,
you can't you can ever joke about it. It's like
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it's like the cancer thing. You could ever joke about
cancer when somebody you know in the group has lost
somebody to cancer. You can never. But I don't know,
we have reached the point where John Elway's friend is
on the back of a golf cart at stage Coach
and falls off, hits his head and dies to where
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even that story, I mean, Jase, do I know you
didn't believe that story at all? Did you? You did
not buy it.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
I just think it was incomplete and how it was
presented to the public. I don't know what's happening behind
the scenes, but it just seems to be more there there.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
So you don't think they're at stage Coach. I mean,
was there were they drinking? I mean it's stage Coach
and you got old guys. Yeah, but there was somebody
else also kind of holding on standing up right right
next to them and just slipped off and fell and
hit his head and died. Like that's crazy, But it's
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just crazy enough to go like, yeah, it wasn't like
they ran him over. You know, he fell off and
they ran him over, and they ran him over again,
they ran him over again. You're like, yeah, well that's
a different story. Maybe I'm gullible, maybe I believe in
the good man. I just think it's a terrible accident.
I take the story at its word. Dan Byer, when
you saw that story, would you think.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Well, I mean I thought that they were all probably
involved in one way or another and doing the same thing,
and unfortunately there was a bad accident that someone was
a victim of I from by all accounts, that seems
to be the case. I don't I didn't dive deeply
into it. I thought that people were probably out, you know,
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having a good time, having a few drinks, going around
people Driving golf carts around neighborhoods is not uncommon. Sure
shouldn't be doing it when you're drinking because of those reasons.
But that's kind of how I felt, And I don't
know if that's exactly what happened, but That's how I
pictured what probably was going on.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Well, so famous super Bowl winning Hall of Fame quarterbacks
happened in the news. That's that was the sad story
with John Elway. And then I saw Tom Brady was
on a podcast. I don't I hadn't heard of this podcast.
Not try to be a jerk, whatever, I just head
her of the podcast. So Tom Brady's on a pod,
and you know he had we'd heard that he was
(21:36):
close with Shador Sanders, right. That was the whole sale
of Shador Sanders. He and Tom Brady are close. That
means he's a super genius quarterback. So here's Brady's answers
to the questions about why should do or fell in
the draft?
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Elephant in the room should Ar Sanders? What happened Tom?
Why did he go so late in the draft.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
It's a good question.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
I was.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
I wouldn't have part of any evaluation process or to
get any less otherwise, I know, well, everyone's got every
you know, that's a problem with media is everyone can
just say whatever they want.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
I actually texted Shador because I'm know him.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
Very well, and I said, dude, like, whatever happens wherever
you go.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
That's your first day Day two matters more than the draft.
I was one ninety nine. Yeah, so who could speak
on it better than me?
Speaker 5 (22:22):
Like what that really means?
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Use it as motivation? You're going to get your chances,
Go take advantage of it.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Yeah, I mean, listen, that sounds Tony Robbins, and I
there was. It was curious to me that when he
was asked why did he falls so far in the draft?
Tom Brady's like, oh, you know, nobody asked me.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
You're a quarterback, but you're also a football analyst? Am
I wrong here? Like, don't get me wrong. Brady's motivational
speech is accurate, and he has lived it, and he
was one ninety nine, and he makes sure that everybody
knows like that that he used that to motivate him,
still use it to motivate him. That's great, But when
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you're asked a question as a former quarterback, a guy
who's won more Super Bowls than anybody who also works
as a football analyst, isn't at least your job to
give us some summation of why he would fall in
the draft. I don't know what I mean, you don't know? Yeah,
I know you weren't there for workouts. I get it, Okay,
(23:24):
so I know you, but you're allowed to give your
own opinion. Even your opinion is those people are all
idiots look at me. I'm just really surprised that Brady
didn't go like, well, you know, I mean, probably should
have taken those interviews seriously, not blowing people off. I
know there's questions about his arm strength. I don't have
those questions. I've seen him throw football. You know, you're
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allowed even with friends, you're allowed to be critical of them.
That's actually what friends are. Now, maybe you could say, hey,
a real friend or a real mentor won't be critical
of somebody in public. In private, it's a different thing.
That's okay, that that's an okay response. But the I
don't know. It's actually his job to know. He's an
(24:11):
NFL analyst, And I guess this is where you can
recuse yourself and go, hey, I'm just gonna recuse myself.
I'm too close to this thing. Fine, but you are,
in fact an NFL analyst. Somebody asked you why the
guy dropped and you don't know he're Tom Brady. You
can't pick up the phone and call somebody you mean
to tell me the Raiders didn't tell him why they
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weren't drafting him. I don't buy that either.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
Did you see that video recently that resurfaced. It was
I think it was from the football season. So Dion
and Tom Brady are talking. I think it's on the
West Go podcast and uh, Dion says to Brady and
I guess Schaduur was on it as well. Do you
think a college kid needs a phantom like a Rolls Royce?
And Tom Brady's comment in that moment was, I think
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he needs to get his ass in the film room
and spend as much time in there as possible, Like
if you just offered up something like that in that
exchange on the podcast, like I think maybe the perception
that he has was the reason why he fell or something.
And I think two there. This is kind of the
(25:20):
root flaw with the new media. Right, you call in
the favors, you secure the big interview, you have the
big interview in front of you, you're reluctant to ask
the tough follows. Anybody in our industry, I guess traditional
media would have heard that answer from Tom and said,
you're avoiding the question, and then had a follow up,
(25:43):
and that did not exist.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
No, no, doesn't follow up. I mean that's why guys,
you know, they want to put themselves in They want
to put themselves in podcasts that they can control. You know,
they don't want to do real They got new media.
It's not media. So no follow up. There was weird
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Stug got lap show here on Fox Sports Radio. I
mean again, all he could have said was, hey, you know,
I didn't know about the interviews. I can only tell
you what I've read and what i've heard, and you
know these are teaching moments. But to go, I don't
know why did you drop the drop man? Right, don't
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all I don't know. Reggie listen to the answer once
again when he was asked why he dropped in the draft.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Elephant in the room should r Sanders? What happened? Tom?
Why did he go so late in the draft.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
It's a good question, I was. I wouldn't have part
of any evaluation process or to get any lessons otherwise,
I know, Well everyone's got every you know, that's a
problem with media is everyone can just say whatever they want.
I actually texted Shador because I've know him very.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Well, so so none of that again. Part of it
is the interviewer hops in when he was trying to
flesh out some sort of answer. It's a good question,
a good question. It's a good question. And then you're like,
how about a debt an answer that somewhere mirrors the
level of the quality of the question. It's a good question,
(27:23):
good question, Tom Brady, see the teeth, see the hair,
Tom Brady, huh, Dan Byer, it's a good question. It's
a good question. Hey Dan, how how come you played
so poorly last time you played golf? It's a good question.
It's a good question, good question.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
I always feel a good question is a stall tactic.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
It is co Yeah, it's.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Never an actual compliment on someone's interviewing skills unless they go,
you know what, that's a good question. Yeah, that's that's.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
That's actually, that's actually great. It's the same response, only
completely different. Right, whereas Tom Brady, is this good question?
Do that one more time? Dan?
Speaker 3 (28:17):
You know that's a good question.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Yeah, yeah, it's it. It's the right comma, the right emphastist,
and the right celebl because it's like the first one
he did better because he did the breath the breathing
thing you know what, it's a good question.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
How can the Nuggets leave Oklahoma City up to? Oh question?
Speaker 1 (28:44):
You know what, that's a good question.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
You know, Doug, that's a good question. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah,
that's how you that's how you do it. Otherwise people
are like, that's a good question. It really means it isn't.
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but you should. We do at the end of every
show we wrap it up in a tight bow by
getting to the stories of the day with Dan Byer,
something we call the press. The press. By the way,
I did put in the work order request for Jay
stew and Sammy to have their own camera so we
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can see they're pearly whites on YouTube chatter look.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
So then you guys will have to log in. Then
you got to log into the zoom meeting and when
you do that each show, and then you'll be on
camera for two straight hours unless you walk away from
said camera. Just still let the crew know what they're
about to get into.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Yay.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
I don't know, Samy, you ready for that sort of responsibility.
Speaker 6 (30:36):
They're more eggshell or beige. I need to get my
teeth whited so I can be ready for my close up.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
All right, crew, Mother of.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Pearl, see how you guys handle the spotlight. I'm sure
you will do it well. We'll start off with a
story that I think all of us saw and we're
a amazed by. When the Pittsburgh Pirates fan fell more
than twenty feet from the outfield bleachers in a fall
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at the end of April.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Kevin mark Wood spoke with The Tribune Live after the
fall last week and said that he's all right, can't
really sleep, has a lot of back pain, and says
that he has broken everything was the way that he
described it, broken back, neck, injuries, swollen hand, but says
that he should be going home in a few days.
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So far, they've raised about forty six thousand dollars in
their go fundme page to help with medical bills. But
mark Wood says that he has not yet watched the fall, So.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
I mean, how, yeah, how how does that happen?
Speaker 3 (31:51):
There was another video from behind mark Wood when he fell,
and it appears that he used the railing his leverage
to jump up and then as he tried to put
his foot down. I don't know if his foot hit
the seat or if it hit something that he wasn't expected.
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But it's kind of like when you miss his step,
where you like expect that there not be a step
and there is, you kind of stumble. That's what seemed
to happen. And then his momentum because he had jumped
up so high, ended up carrying him over it. From
this rear view angle, it does not look like he
purposely did anything. It looks like his left foot tried
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to brace for something that wasn't there, and then his
momentum ended up carrying him over and that's how he
fell twenty one feet. Lucky to be, lucky to be alive,
but broken clavical, broken neck, the whole deal. I don't
know if i'd I don't know if i'd be able
to watch it either, So I don't blame him in
that scenario. I know you talk about gruesome injuries, but
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when they happened to you, I can completely.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Honestly that one. I'm I'm okay not seeing Yeah, that one,
I'm okay. I'm like, eh, I'm good, I'll pass. Thanks,
I'll pass.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
So there's an update on there. But yeah, hopefully he's
going to be able to go home in the next
couple of days, all right, Doug. The ACC is reducing
the number of conference games from twenty to eighteen for
their men's basketball season next year. CBS Sports the first
with the move. Move is being made in hopes of
getting more bids into the NCAA tournament. ACC got just
four this past season. Freeze up the opportunity to schedule
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two additional non conference games.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Yeah, so again, what what the trend changed? And I
think the SEC and the Big twelve and Big ten
will probably stick with more conference games. But the idea
is it used to be the more conference games you play,
the higher back then RPI or then net rating would
because better teams in your conference are gonna play out
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of league. The ACC there's so many teams at the
bottom that they're actually they're going to try doing the opposite.
So it also allows you, if you think you're gonna
be good, schedule up. If you think you're gonna be bad,
scheduled down, and then you have a better record. Interesting.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
Let's get to the headlines of the day. By the way,
I mentioned the Tribune Live in Pittsburgh having the story
on Kevin Markwood front page at least two articles saying
that the timing of the George Pickens trade on the
Steelers side of things was not good planning. Mark Madden saying,
grow tesque example of Steeler's mismanagement. Tim Benz, another writer says,
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trading Pickens the right move, would have been much better
before the draft, but the deal of the day George
Pickens goes from the Pittsburgh Steelers to the Dallas Cowboys.
Cowboys get Pickens and the sixth rounder. Steelers get a
third round pick in twenty twenty six and a fifth
rounder in twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Look, I don't love George Pickens the personality. I love
George Pickens the person I think this makes complete sense.
Pittsburgh's all about culture. Dallas is all about trying to
get dudes. And that's why Pittsburgh has been consistent and
more successful consistently than the Cowboys. The Cowboys, when they
get it right, obviously have spectacular talent. I personally like
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the Pittsburgh style.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Warriors guard Steph Curry's going to miss at least a
week because if a grade one hamstring suffered in last
night's Game one win over the Minnesota Timberwolves.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Uh yeah, that stinks. But how about they won the
game without him, Like that's the that's the crazy part
about this whole thing. So they won the game without.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
Him, So that's all that's That's a one game deal.
It's going to miss games two, three, and four, at
least we believe that was from the Warriors. But then
the question is if he does come back, how effective
will he be and is it truly just a one
week sort of injury.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Yeah, Hamstrings are tricky, right because you tweak it and
then you feel like you're good, You're like running but down.
Then oh you tweak it again, you know, So I
don't know how bad the pull is. I don't know
how quick the rehab is. They can do amazing things
in terms of the rehabbing getting you back in the court,
but hamstrings again can be super, super tricky, and you
may think you're back, you think you're all good, and
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then all of a sudden, you pull it again. So
I have no idea how long it's gonna be out.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
For Utah Hockey Club will become the Utah Mammoth beginning
next season. Franchise is keeping the current colors of black
whites and that light blue.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
I like the uniforms, I like the nickname. I like
the whole thing I do. I'm actually I'm kind of
fond of it. I don't like what it just goes
like Utah, and I don't like the now do you
wear white at home or blue at home in hockey?
Or does it like sports now where it doesn't matter?
Speaker 3 (36:43):
I think you wear white at home for most blue Gosh,
trying to think.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
Reason you wear white on the road because the white,
says Utah, usually wear the place that you're from on
your roadjers correct.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
I would definitely know the answer to this if I
I watched hockey.
Speaker 6 (37:02):
I'm always more of a fan of solids at home
white on the road. But you see it in basketball
all the time. You'll see you the white jerseys at home.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
And now in the NFL in September, of the teams
that our home will wear the white jerseys because they
don't want to be as warm put the Miami but yes,
a lot of other teams do it. Then put the
opponents in the dark color and have to deal with
the heat. Yep, psychological warfare. Yes, there you go. That
is the press. They get out there and pressed. That
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was the press.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay,
we got time now for some picks. Oh yeah, let's
get after it's it's been all road teams up until now. Okay,
you got two games tonight, Dan Byer Nicks are ten
and a half point dogs at Boston.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Who do you like, Doug, I've been on fire. Oh
for four so far in the game. Ones that I've predicted.
I didn't predict Pacers Calves. I would have taken the calf,
so it would be over five. Give me the Celtics
tonight to win and cover all right.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
In Denver, Oklahoma City, Okay, see a ten point favorite.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
At home Thunder, but they don't cover.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
I like. I like Denver to cover, Thunder to win,
and I like the Celtics to cover win. Do we
have the same picks. I think we do, Yes, the
same picks. Both both have the home teams eaven it up,
but only the Celtics cover a gigantic, gigantic spread. Just
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has been going on for quite a minute. We've worked
together for parts of eight years now, eight years, eight
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and a half years. Dan and I have Jase two
and I have known each other forever. We've been working
together at two and a half years. Jase two is
that right? That's my name, and we're coming up on four,
Coming up on four like I said, coming up on
four years and sam our more recent addition to it.
So what we've what we've done or decided to do
(01:06):
we enjoyed doing is on Wednesdays, which is the middle
of the week at one on the West, which is
the middle of our show. Granted we have an hour
podcast which goes live at the end of this show,
middle of the week, middle of the show, kind of
the middle of your day. It's kind of the middle
of our thoughts. That's why we get to the Midway.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
It's it's time for the Midway.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Okay, for Midway topics today. By the way, I knew
what I want to talk about, Dan, it was Gabe Davis,
just like you want to talk about a guy who
had he had such a good year with the Bills
and he goes to the Jags and that clearly did
not work. One and done. There.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Yeah, new coach, new regime. You got Travis Hunter now
there to go along with Brian Thomas. So yeah, sometimes
it just doesn't work out.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Just sometimes it doesn't work out. Okay, do you guys
have a theory on why there have been so many
comebacks here, especially in the NBA playoffs? You want some
are choke jobs. Some are just old fashioned comebacks. Some
are a little bit in the middle, Like, what's a
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working theory that you have? I have one more hypotheses, right,
because the theory is one that's proven. Go ahead, go ahead, Jason.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
So you know, we talk about all the time the
NBA's effort to try to get players engaged during the
regular season. We got the NBA Cup, we got the
All Star Shenanigans, and then we got this stupid play
in tournament. All is an effort to get interest from
the players to play harder. They mask it as a
(02:51):
gift to the fans, but it's actually a way to
get the players to play harder, to be engaged, to
be competitive. Well, what happens when you have an unengaged
uh a set of young players that aren't competitive during
the regular season, and then they get into these ball
these the butt squinching moments in a playoff game when
it really matters. The guy that I don't know the
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name of, Dan will know. You'll know whoever threw the
inbounds pass to the pacer last night.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
That was the end of the game. Again, that was
a choke.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Again, we just talked about it. Did it did it
again like.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Two nights ago. What happened at the end of the
game with with with Holme Grin. That's a choke. These
guys are not in moments like this at all ever,
and they're not engaged. The regular season doesn't matter. They're
not practicing. So who who are doing well in these
moments Jimmy Butler and Haller Burton, guys that have done
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it before. Olympians.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
I think that's part of the reason for these like
unprecedented level of choke jobs.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Sam, do you have it? Do you have a theory
on that? Dan?
Speaker 3 (04:03):
You go ahead, I've got yeah, because it's it does.
I don't know if it piggybacks, I don't know if
it rides shotgun to it, but I feel it's the officiating,
and I feel that there's a couple of different factors
at work. I think that Jason's right. In a normal
regular season game, when the Calves go up seven on
the Pacers, the Pacers may just go down and they
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don't get a bucket. It's game over. Let's run the
shot clock down. Even at seven points that I'm like,
we are not going to make a furious comeback. But
it's different in the playoffs, and I think that there
is something to that. I also feel the officiating because
we've seen a lot of turnovers on pressure last night,
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in other scenarios where I feel that we're seeing turnovers
because guys are hesitant, I don't think officials are making
the foul calls in those scenarios. And on the flip
side out of it, you know the Halliburton three point
play last night. There are a couple of three point
play opportunities we've seen throughout the playoffs. We know NBA officials,
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they love to be up in the business and if
there's a big play to be able to call that
basket and a foul, and I feel that that has
happened at times. I don't know if all of these.
I mean, Karl Anthony Towns got mugged a few times
in Boston in Game one, but it wasn't in the clutch.
It wasn't with seconds remaining, or the knicks down four
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and maybe changing momentum, and you can call one, but
they're calling them in those situations, a touch foul, a
late whistle, allowing the games to be closer. And so
when one side and I'm not saying it's the pacers.
I'm saying. It feels like the team that's ahead isn't
getting a whistle when they're trying inbound, and the team
that's behind is. I think that that's why you've seen it,
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and I feel like I've seen it multiple times in
these NBA playoffs, not only in the first round, but
also in a couple of games here in the second round.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
I agree with you guys in terms of it, and
this is like a it's a real thing in terms
like practice, right when you can't replicate, you can't replicate
the intensity of the NBA Playoffs. You can't replicate like
all of these breakdowns and inbounds passes have been when
the team doesn't have a timeout and it's like they've
never played. It's like suddenly they've forgotten how to play
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basketball when you don't have a timeout to advance the ball.
I would also say, though, that there's just some weird stuff.
I mean, three two nights in a row, a team
up three, bowls up three and loses both those games
in regulation. Hard to do. It feels like things that
go bump of the night. Yet it happened. Why do
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I think it happens? I think Jason, you're pretty much
on it. It's that the attention to detail is just
not great in the regular season and it matters so much,
and comebacks are so normal in the regular season they
shouldn't be in the postseason, but they are. I'll also
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tell you that it's the reason that twenty four second
shot clock is brilliant, because you look up and you're like, well,
this game's over, and you're like, no, Actually, if you
look at it with two and a half minutes, there's
plenty of time, plenty of possessions. But again, some of
it's the NBA's rules, and some of it is how
these NBA teams use the rules, Like if you have
a ten point league with two and a half to go,
like every shot you take, every shot you take should
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be as the shot clock expires, unless you're unless you
have a wide open layup or a wide open three
as the shot clock expires. Teams don't run clock the
way they can, even within twenty four second shot clock.
So I think it exposes some of the lack of
IQ of the players, the lack of intensity of the
regular season, and also the skill in the shot making
of NBA teams and that you know, if it's two possessions,
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they can make it up really quick with two shots.
All of those threes that people hate that they take,
they love it when they take them and make them
in comebacks. What about you there, Sam? What do you think?
Speaker 3 (08:13):
I think Sam passed.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
I think the reason why I thought about this today
is because so during the transition between games last night,
when Stan Van Gundy's crew took over for the Pacers game,
he was asked this question, how do you account for this?
And his answer was something along the lines of the
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game has changed so much, so fast. Yeah, and all
the three pointers, and then he didn't expound on that.
I'm like, I need to hear more, Like what does
that mean exactly? Do you understand what he means?
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Yeah, just you could make up points so much quicker,
and guys are so used to shooting it, you know,
they're not panic shots anymore. So. Yeah. And I think
also with it comes this idea that you know, you're, okay, hey,
we can't give up a three, and so then somebody
shot fixed and they'll get wide open lamps, Like, wait,
you fought for forty six and a half minutes to
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not give up any buckets and now you're just gonna
give up lamps. I do think the three point shot
changes how you guard, chase a space the floor, and
then offensively, there's just an ease to it, an understanding
of it where it's it's not like it's not a miracle,
and guys get very confident shooting him. But it's true.
No lead is safe in the NBA. None, well zero.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
It's and I'll say this about the pacers. I'll give
Tyre's Halliburton credit that when he attacked the basket there
were fifteen seconds left on the clock or neighborhood maybe
give or take, and he's still going for a two,
like you know in that scenario. Now he got fouled,
so he had two shots because he didn't make the basket.
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But there they didn't panic in essence of even if
Halliburton makes the two, and I don't think he, I
don't think he purposely missed unless there was a post
game again as my anniversary last night, so I didn't hear.
If he did purposely miss, it was a great miss
and the caves didn't have a lot of size on
the floor aside from Jared Allen. Then it obviously worked
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out to their advantage. But I felt like he went
to the basket and we're willing to then foul again
and do what they needed to do on the next
possession if it played out that way. But they didn't
panic in that scenario. They did it against the Bucks.
We saw the Bucks in their Game five just give
it away with a couple of bad turnovers, and we
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saw how frantic those situations were. We saw Oklahoma City.
You bring that scenario up and inbounding and how you
play that scenario and just getting the ball to the
right person or Chet Holmgren's case, the wrong person at
that time. Yeah, a lot of that.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Remember we talked the other day about this and Dan
said that, like one of the reasons people like watching
college sports or college basketball is because it's flawed. And
I the point that I think I was trying to
make is that these games are not being won because
of great play, there being one because of brain farts
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and gripping it too tight when it matters most. So
it's almost like you.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Don't think Halliburton that was that was a great play,
Like he gets the offensive rebound, Like, yeah, you can
absolutely point to the cabs. Hey, you got a box
out in miss free throw.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
He never gets to that play though if the guy
imbounds the pass, Yeah, it is.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Fair, He's one hundred percent correct.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Yeah, But again, I do think there's a there's a
skill in some of the shot making and then these
comebacks and you know, hacking Aaron Gordon. Yeah, Chet Holgren
choked two free throws. Aaron Gordon still may the three.
Otherwise there is no and that doesn't matter. So you're right.
I'm not. Again, this is not me saying you wrong.
(12:07):
I do think that we have a tendency to I mean,
any of these great shots down the stretch, for the
most part, historically comes back from a misfree throw. You know,
it's like we think about this all the time. How
many times have we been watching playoff baseball or or
even regular season baseball and a late inning comeback that
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ends in a home run? How does the rally usually
start chase two a walk? Yes, it almost always starts
with a walk, right, And so when if you're going
to do the post mortem on a great comeback or
a walk off home run, yeah, you can mention the walk.
But we do have a tendency to focus on like
can you believe that guy hit a walk off home run,
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and we don't point out the negative of the walk
whereas here in basketball, instead of pointing out the Tyrese
Haliburton shot which would be the home run, or the
Aaron Gordon shot, which would be the home run, we
point out the negative. First. Hey, play's really not that
good when this is kind of how it's always been.
It's like Keith Smart's jump shot on the baseline for
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Indiana to beat Syracuse in the nineteen eighty seven National
Championship game. Dan, you and I weren't old enough to
truly remember it, but I'm guessing you remember what preceded
that jump shot?
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Oh was it?
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Well?
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Yeah, did mister Syracuse knows? Was it? Derek Coleman? Was
he at the line?
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Yeah? Yeah, Derek Coleman missed a front end of a
one and one, and Keith Smart comes down. They pass around,
he shoots a fade or he sees a leaner on
the on the left base line, and wins the game.
No one goes back and says, like, oh, Derek. Some
people still think Derek Coleman choked, and he probably did
at nineteen years old. But when we look back, we
look at the shot, not the mist that preceded. Yet
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here in the NBA we're focusing on, Hey, you didn't
box out Bucks out. I guess I'm sounding like I'm
defending it, but I'm really just trying.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
To tell the whole You know, what you're saying is like,
if the mishap ends the game, then that's the takeaway.
Bill Buckner's mishap ended the game. Uh, Chris Weber's time
out ended the game. So there was no great shot
or a base hit after you know Buckner's play. But
you're saying that there was a game winning shot to
be made and these guys stepped up and made it.
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So two things could be true.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Yes, yes, yes, I think that.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
I think these whistles though they they really they want drama.
They do, yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
They always have. Man, the NBA is this is I swear,
And I'll also point this out, like where has it
been dramatic? Dan Byer? Yes, okay, are we fair to
say that? I know it doesn't have the ratings. I'm
not saying it's as popular, but the NBA playoffs has
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been better than the NFL playoffs to date. This year,
this year alone been unbelievable. The watch is unreal, Like
the Knicks come from twenty down to beat the Celtics
in Boston. This whole Pacers run has been crazy, how
they beat the Bucks in their final game, the two
wins here, especially this win last night Nix Pistons was
(15:27):
an awesome watch, super super competitive. So the point is
that you want to talk about these two things can
be true, Jay stew And you're right. NBA basketball, like
Major League Baseball, I think, is actually better than it's
been just reputation wise. The numbers don't reflect as much,
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don't reflect as much.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
I don't know if it fits in our window, but
shake Gilgess, Alexander made his free throws, chet Holmgrid did not.
Tire's Halliburton's been making these clutch shots for the Pacers.
Jalen Brunson's been magnificent. I think also in certain spots
when we're looking at this of last night, I think
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was it Max Strus who made the inbounds pass with
the bad pass? Just getting your ball to the to
the guy that needs to have the ball is half
the battle, and for some reason teams can't figure it out.
You know, Cleveland after the Pacers cut it to three,
used their final time out and then advanced the ball
and they still couldn't inbound it. And I don't know
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if that's on Kenny Atkinson. I don't know it's on
Donovan Mitchell. I don't know if it's on the injuries
that other guys aren't in the game.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Nah, you know, but it's it's it's really on the inbounder.
You got to get that ball in bounce, So you
gotta get the ball mounts rule number one. And for
any play, any play you run in basketball, the most
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Do sorryus just humming to myself. Just uh, I don't know.
Spring and all these great NBA games just kind of
re energize you, re energizes you. Hey, you know we
hadn't discussed we hadn't discussed the John Elway. I was
(18:19):
because I played golf yesterday and I dance. I know.
It's like your favorite spot on Earth and you have
friends there, and Aaron Hills may not favorite spot on Earth,
but one of your one of your favorite courses in
your home state. I was at Aaron Hills. Now you
walk Aaron Hills, but to get out to the hole,
there was a golf cart and of course you know,
(18:39):
now it's like a day. I don't want to stand
up on the back because that's what happened with John
Elway's business partner and reportedly like best friend. Uh yeah,
that's a that's a tricky one right there. If you're
like John Elway, and I mean, now, if you play golf,
you can't you can ever joke about it. It's like
(19:03):
it's like the cancer thing. You could ever joke about
cancer when somebody you know in the group has lost
somebody to cancer. You can never. But I don't know,
we have reached the point where John Elway's friend is
on the back of a golf cart at stage Coach
and falls off, hits his head and dies to where
(19:26):
even that story, I mean, Jase, do I know you
didn't believe that story at all? Did you? You did
not buy it.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
I just think it was incomplete and how it was
presented to the public. I don't know what's happening behind
the scenes, but it just seems to be more there there.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
So you don't think they're at stage Coach. I mean,
was there were they drinking? I mean it's stage Coach
and you got old guys. Yeah, but there was somebody
else also kind of holding on standing up right right
next to them and just slipped off and fell and
hit his head and died. Like that's crazy, But it's
(20:05):
just crazy enough to go like, yeah, it wasn't like
they ran him over. You know, he fell off and
they ran him over, and they ran him over again,
they ran him over again. You're like, yeah, well that's
a different story. Maybe I'm gullible, maybe I believe in
the good man. I just think it's a terrible accident.
I take the story at its word. Dan Byer, when
you saw that story, would you think.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Well, I mean I thought that they were all probably
involved in one way or another and doing the same thing,
and unfortunately there was a bad accident that someone was
a victim of I from by all accounts, that seems
to be the case. I don't I didn't dive deeply
into it. I thought that people were probably out, you know,
(20:51):
having a good time, having a few drinks, going around
people Driving golf carts around neighborhoods is not uncommon. Sure
shouldn't be doing it when you're drinking because of those reasons.
But that's kind of how I felt, And I don't
know if that's exactly what happened, but That's how I
pictured what probably was going on.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Well, so famous super Bowl winning Hall of Fame quarterbacks
happened in the news. That's that was the sad story
with John Elway. And then I saw Tom Brady was
on a podcast. I don't I hadn't heard of this podcast.
Not try to be a jerk, whatever, I just head
her of the podcast. So Tom Brady's on a pod,
and you know he had we'd heard that he was
(21:36):
close with Shador Sanders, right. That was the whole sale
of Shador Sanders. He and Tom Brady are close. That
means he's a super genius quarterback. So here's Brady's answers
to the questions about why should do or fell in
the draft?
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Elephant in the room should Ar Sanders? What happened Tom?
Why did he go so late in the draft.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
It's a good question.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
I was.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
I wouldn't have part of any evaluation process or to
get any less otherwise, I know, well, everyone's got every
you know, that's a problem with media is everyone can
just say whatever they want.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
I actually texted Shador because I'm know him.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
Very well, and I said, dude, like, whatever happens wherever
you go.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
That's your first day Day two matters more than the draft.
I was one ninety nine. Yeah, so who could speak
on it better than me?
Speaker 5 (22:22):
Like what that really means?
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Use it as motivation? You're going to get your chances,
Go take advantage of it.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Yeah, I mean, listen, that sounds Tony Robbins, and I
there was. It was curious to me that when he
was asked why did he falls so far in the draft?
Tom Brady's like, oh, you know, nobody asked me.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
You're a quarterback, but you're also a football analyst? Am
I wrong here? Like, don't get me wrong. Brady's motivational
speech is accurate, and he has lived it, and he
was one ninety nine, and he makes sure that everybody
knows like that that he used that to motivate him,
still use it to motivate him. That's great, But when
(23:04):
you're asked a question as a former quarterback, a guy
who's won more Super Bowls than anybody who also works
as a football analyst, isn't at least your job to
give us some summation of why he would fall in
the draft. I don't know what I mean, you don't know? Yeah,
I know you weren't there for workouts. I get it, Okay,
(23:24):
so I know you, but you're allowed to give your
own opinion. Even your opinion is those people are all
idiots look at me. I'm just really surprised that Brady
didn't go like, well, you know, I mean, probably should
have taken those interviews seriously, not blowing people off. I
know there's questions about his arm strength. I don't have
those questions. I've seen him throw football. You know, you're
(23:46):
allowed even with friends, you're allowed to be critical of them.
That's actually what friends are. Now, maybe you could say, hey,
a real friend or a real mentor won't be critical
of somebody in public. In private, it's a different thing.
That's okay, that that's an okay response. But the I
don't know. It's actually his job to know. He's an
(24:11):
NFL analyst, And I guess this is where you can
recuse yourself and go, hey, I'm just gonna recuse myself.
I'm too close to this thing. Fine, but you are,
in fact an NFL analyst. Somebody asked you why the
guy dropped and you don't know he're Tom Brady. You
can't pick up the phone and call somebody you mean
to tell me the Raiders didn't tell him why they
(24:31):
weren't drafting him. I don't buy that either.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
Did you see that video recently that resurfaced. It was
I think it was from the football season. So Dion
and Tom Brady are talking. I think it's on the
West Go podcast and uh, Dion says to Brady and
I guess Schaduur was on it as well. Do you
think a college kid needs a phantom like a Rolls Royce?
And Tom Brady's comment in that moment was, I think
(25:00):
he needs to get his ass in the film room
and spend as much time in there as possible, Like
if you just offered up something like that in that
exchange on the podcast, like I think maybe the perception
that he has was the reason why he fell or something.
And I think two there. This is kind of the
(25:20):
root flaw with the new media. Right, you call in
the favors, you secure the big interview, you have the
big interview in front of you, you're reluctant to ask
the tough follows. Anybody in our industry, I guess traditional
media would have heard that answer from Tom and said,
you're avoiding the question, and then had a follow up,
(25:43):
and that did not exist.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
No, no, doesn't follow up. I mean that's why guys,
you know, they want to put themselves in They want
to put themselves in podcasts that they can control. You know,
they don't want to do real They got new media.
It's not media. So no follow up. There was weird
(26:12):
Stug got lap show here on Fox Sports Radio. I
mean again, all he could have said was, hey, you know,
I didn't know about the interviews. I can only tell
you what I've read and what i've heard, and you
know these are teaching moments. But to go, I don't
know why did you drop the drop man? Right, don't
(26:34):
all I don't know. Reggie listen to the answer once
again when he was asked why he dropped in the draft.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Elephant in the room should r Sanders? What happened? Tom?
Why did he go so late in the draft.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
It's a good question, I was. I wouldn't have part
of any evaluation process or to get any lessons otherwise,
I know, Well everyone's got every you know, that's a
problem with media is everyone can just say whatever they want.
I actually texted Shador because I've know him very.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Well, so so none of that again. Part of it
is the interviewer hops in when he was trying to
flesh out some sort of answer. It's a good question,
a good question. It's a good question. And then you're like,
how about a debt an answer that somewhere mirrors the
level of the quality of the question. It's a good question,
(27:23):
good question, Tom Brady, see the teeth, see the hair,
Tom Brady, huh, Dan Byer, it's a good question. It's
a good question. Hey Dan, how how come you played
so poorly last time you played golf? It's a good question.
It's a good question, good question.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
I always feel a good question is a stall tactic.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
It is co Yeah, it's.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Never an actual compliment on someone's interviewing skills unless they go,
you know what, that's a good question. Yeah, that's that's.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
That's actually, that's actually great. It's the same response, only
completely different. Right, whereas Tom Brady, is this good question?
Do that one more time? Dan?
Speaker 3 (28:17):
You know that's a good question.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Yeah, yeah, it's it. It's the right comma, the right emphastist,
and the right celebl because it's like the first one
he did better because he did the breath the breathing
thing you know what, it's a good question.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
How can the Nuggets leave Oklahoma City up to? Oh question?
Speaker 1 (28:44):
You know what, that's a good question.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
You know, Doug, that's a good question. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah,
that's how you that's how you do it. Otherwise people
are like, that's a good question. It really means it isn't.
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Speaker 1 (29:23):
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(29:44):
but you should. We do at the end of every
show we wrap it up in a tight bow by
getting to the stories of the day with Dan Byer,
something we call the press. The press. By the way,
I did put in the work order request for Jay
stew and Sammy to have their own camera so we
(30:07):
can see they're pearly whites on YouTube chatter look.
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So then you guys will have to log in. Then
you got to log into the zoom meeting and when
you do that each show, and then you'll be on
camera for two straight hours unless you walk away from
said camera. Just still let the crew know what they're
about to get into.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Yay.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
I don't know, Samy, you ready for that sort of responsibility.
Speaker 6 (30:36):
They're more eggshell or beige. I need to get my
teeth whited so I can be ready for my close up.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
All right, crew, Mother of.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Pearl, see how you guys handle the spotlight. I'm sure
you will do it well. We'll start off with a
story that I think all of us saw and we're
a amazed by. When the Pittsburgh Pirates fan fell more
than twenty feet from the outfield bleachers in a fall
(31:07):
at the end of April.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Kevin mark Wood spoke with The Tribune Live after the
fall last week and said that he's all right, can't
really sleep, has a lot of back pain, and says
that he has broken everything was the way that he
described it, broken back, neck, injuries, swollen hand, but says
that he should be going home in a few days.
(31:32):
So far, they've raised about forty six thousand dollars in
their go fundme page to help with medical bills. But
mark Wood says that he has not yet watched the fall, So.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
I mean, how, yeah, how how does that happen?
Speaker 3 (31:51):
There was another video from behind mark Wood when he fell,
and it appears that he used the railing his leverage
to jump up and then as he tried to put
his foot down. I don't know if his foot hit
the seat or if it hit something that he wasn't expected.
(32:13):
But it's kind of like when you miss his step,
where you like expect that there not be a step
and there is, you kind of stumble. That's what seemed
to happen. And then his momentum because he had jumped
up so high, ended up carrying him over it. From
this rear view angle, it does not look like he
purposely did anything. It looks like his left foot tried
(32:35):
to brace for something that wasn't there, and then his
momentum ended up carrying him over and that's how he
fell twenty one feet. Lucky to be, lucky to be alive,
but broken clavical, broken neck, the whole deal. I don't
know if i'd I don't know if i'd be able
to watch it either, So I don't blame him in
that scenario. I know you talk about gruesome injuries, but
(32:55):
when they happened to you, I can completely.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Honestly that one. I'm I'm okay not seeing Yeah, that one,
I'm okay. I'm like, eh, I'm good, I'll pass. Thanks,
I'll pass.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
So there's an update on there. But yeah, hopefully he's
going to be able to go home in the next
couple of days, all right, Doug. The ACC is reducing
the number of conference games from twenty to eighteen for
their men's basketball season next year. CBS Sports the first
with the move. Move is being made in hopes of
getting more bids into the NCAA tournament. ACC got just
four this past season. Freeze up the opportunity to schedule
(33:28):
two additional non conference games.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Yeah, so again, what what the trend changed? And I
think the SEC and the Big twelve and Big ten
will probably stick with more conference games. But the idea
is it used to be the more conference games you play,
the higher back then RPI or then net rating would
because better teams in your conference are gonna play out
(33:51):
of league. The ACC there's so many teams at the
bottom that they're actually they're going to try doing the opposite.
So it also allows you, if you think you're gonna
be good, schedule up. If you think you're gonna be bad,
scheduled down, and then you have a better record. Interesting.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
Let's get to the headlines of the day. By the way,
I mentioned the Tribune Live in Pittsburgh having the story
on Kevin Markwood front page at least two articles saying
that the timing of the George Pickens trade on the
Steelers side of things was not good planning. Mark Madden saying,
grow tesque example of Steeler's mismanagement. Tim Benz, another writer says,
(34:29):
trading Pickens the right move, would have been much better
before the draft, but the deal of the day George
Pickens goes from the Pittsburgh Steelers to the Dallas Cowboys.
Cowboys get Pickens and the sixth rounder. Steelers get a
third round pick in twenty twenty six and a fifth
rounder in twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Look, I don't love George Pickens the personality. I love
George Pickens the person I think this makes complete sense.
Pittsburgh's all about culture. Dallas is all about trying to
get dudes. And that's why Pittsburgh has been consistent and
more successful consistently than the Cowboys. The Cowboys, when they
get it right, obviously have spectacular talent. I personally like
(35:09):
the Pittsburgh style.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Warriors guard Steph Curry's going to miss at least a
week because if a grade one hamstring suffered in last
night's Game one win over the Minnesota Timberwolves.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Uh yeah, that stinks. But how about they won the
game without him, Like that's the that's the crazy part
about this whole thing. So they won the game without.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
Him, So that's all that's That's a one game deal.
It's going to miss games two, three, and four, at
least we believe that was from the Warriors. But then
the question is if he does come back, how effective
will he be and is it truly just a one
week sort of injury.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Yeah, Hamstrings are tricky, right because you tweak it and
then you feel like you're good, You're like running but down.
Then oh you tweak it again, you know, So I
don't know how bad the pull is. I don't know
how quick the rehab is. They can do amazing things
in terms of the rehabbing getting you back in the court,
but hamstrings again can be super, super tricky, and you
may think you're back, you think you're all good, and
(36:08):
then all of a sudden, you pull it again. So
I have no idea how long it's gonna be out.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
For Utah Hockey Club will become the Utah Mammoth beginning
next season. Franchise is keeping the current colors of black
whites and that light blue.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
I like the uniforms, I like the nickname. I like
the whole thing I do. I'm actually I'm kind of
fond of it. I don't like what it just goes
like Utah, and I don't like the now do you
wear white at home or blue at home in hockey?
Or does it like sports now where it doesn't matter?
Speaker 3 (36:43):
I think you wear white at home for most blue Gosh,
trying to think.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
Reason you wear white on the road because the white,
says Utah, usually wear the place that you're from on
your roadjers correct.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
I would definitely know the answer to this if I
I watched hockey.
Speaker 6 (37:02):
I'm always more of a fan of solids at home
white on the road. But you see it in basketball
all the time. You'll see you the white jerseys at home.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
And now in the NFL in September, of the teams
that our home will wear the white jerseys because they
don't want to be as warm put the Miami but yes,
a lot of other teams do it. Then put the
opponents in the dark color and have to deal with
the heat. Yep, psychological warfare. Yes, there you go. That
is the press. They get out there and pressed. That
(37:31):
was the press.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay,
we got time now for some picks. Oh yeah, let's
get after it's it's been all road teams up until now. Okay,
you got two games tonight, Dan Byer Nicks are ten
and a half point dogs at Boston.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Who do you like, Doug, I've been on fire. Oh
for four so far in the game. Ones that I've predicted.
I didn't predict Pacers Calves. I would have taken the calf,
so it would be over five. Give me the Celtics
tonight to win and cover all right.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
In Denver, Oklahoma City, Okay, see a ten point favorite.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
At home Thunder, but they don't cover.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
I like. I like Denver to cover, Thunder to win,
and I like the Celtics to cover win. Do we
have the same picks. I think we do, Yes, the
same picks. Both both have the home teams eaven it up,
but only the Celtics cover a gigantic, gigantic spread. Just
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