August 16, 2022 • 38 mins
On the Sunday night broadcast, Derek Jeter joined Alex Rodriguez to talk about their infamous photo shoot in 1997 when they took shirtless pictures with three other shortstops. Doug weighs in on Richard Jefferson's assertion that Lebron James is not a Lakers great. FS1 NBA Insider Ric Bucher joins Doug for his weekly hit to talk about Kevin Durant's latest drama with the Nets, the Laker great discussion and other major headlines around the NBA. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through the Monday edition of "The Press".
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Fernano Tattis was tested was busted for p E D S.
What's interesting about Fernano Tattis is it's early enough in
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his career that even though this should be like, hey,
we shouldn't talk about him as an all time great
or hey we shouldn't consider him a Hall of Famer,
the truth is, at twenty three years old, next year
he comes back, and if he has you know, five
to seven years of greatness, we're all going to forget.
I mean, look, Alex Rodriguez twice tested positive for p
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e d s, the only guy to ever do so
at at his level, and yet here he is. I mean,
he's a he's a corporation, he's on Fox, he's on ESPN,
he's covered Major League baseball. Now he's you know, somebody
thinks he was a dynamic enough player and I guess
personality two work for two different competing networks covering Major
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League baseball. Like that's a that's kind of something you
think Derek Jeter would do, considering how respected Derek Jeter
is and never a hint or a whiff of any
sort of p e D use. Speaking of Jeter, of course,
his uh long his series documentary on him, The Captain,
just came to a conclusion. Derek Jeter and Alex Rodriguez
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had this exchange on the ESPN alternative broadcast to the
Red Sox Yankees game last night. They were talking about
the Sports Illustrated shoot. This is how it went. We
were actually that photo shoot was in Miami and and
please don't put it on the screen, but that photo
shoot was in Miami, and you remember, it was the
last shot that we had of the day, and everyone
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was willing to do it, and I was the last holdout,
and they were like, let's go, let's go, let's go
so we can get out of here. And I shouldn't
have done this with Derek and I are opposite. I
like this so much my own Yeah, I was great, Well,
you've actually scared our producer Joe McCoy had that thing.
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He never put it up, He never put up on
the board. This would be my last visit here. So
Jeter hated it and a Rod loved it, which is
about right right. I mean, there's nothing could be could
be more in on brand than both of their comments. Jeter,
who wanted nothing to do with anything I anything low,
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anything controversial, anything interesting, anything people can make fun of.
And Alex Rodriguez, who any publicity say is good publicity?
Is that how you see JS do that? When I
listened to it when I saw it live, and now
I listen to it now, I have the I think
the exact same thing I do. I do agree with that. UM.
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I know I'm on record, and I'll stand it again.
I think Alex Rodriguez is like the biggest phony in sports.
I don't believe a word that comes out of his mouth.
I'm not a big fan. UM. And the the series,
the documentary series on Peter actually made me a bigger
fan of his. UM. I didn't think I would like
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it on Jeter. Yeah, it made me a bigger fan
of Derek Jeeter. So I go kind of both ways
on these guys. UM. I remember that picture at the
time being so odd. UM. Ray Or Dons Egerntorrhea and
Alex Gonzalez were the other three three shortstops. For whatever reason,
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nomar Garcia part wasn't in it, um, and it was
a shirtless pick in Sports Illustrated. It seemed like a
picture that was like the target audience was gay men
and or women, and I didn't know that either of
them were big demographic of Sports Illustrated. So it's just
all seemed kind of odd to me. And I like
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that that Jeter even what twenty three years later, twenty
four years later, it was like, yeah, I wasn't into that.
I didn't like it at all, and it kind of
confirmed my my feelings about it. And then of course
Alex Rodriguez being into it says all you need to
know about Alex Rodriguez stud gotlip show here on Fox
Sports Radio. It's it's really an amazing thing. Um. But
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I find I do find who are the people who
go like, Welllexrodriguez, yep, he said it, it's good. I don't.
I don't. I don't get that one that one don't
get like Smoltz is so good. I walk away learning
so much from Smoltz, and I go around baseball and
generally most of those guys who call games. Um, but
I think the now look, if you had the balance
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of a Jeter and an a Rod in the booth
at the same time, where Jeter kind of gave you
the straight and narrow of it and a Rod gave
you the that would be amazing, I think by himself,
though I don't, I don't love it. I don't love
what do you think buyer well on what on the
on the on the photo like isn't it isn't it?
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It feels like you could have written their response and
been sarcastic about it. Jeter will hate it, Rod will
love it before they said it, and then they did,
and you're like, oh my gosh, that was right on brand. Yeah,
And and I want to take a look at the
picture because, um, it wasn't this the reason why they're like?
Feud kind of happened because a Rod this is the
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in the documentary. I thought a Rod got mad because
it made it look like Jeter was better than him
and was his big brother. So that's why I'm confused
on this, you know, k Rod cast is that Jeters
like I hated it and a Rod's like I loved it.
But wasn't this the whole reason on why they stopped
becoming friends? I think we're I think you're mixing a
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couple of things. I think the the the actual cover
of an SI magazine had like Jeter above him and
making him look like a little brother, right. And then
it was the article in Esquire where a Rod made
a lot of controversial remarks about Jeter not needing to
be a need to be great. You can need to
be a leader because they had so many great players
around it. I think this photo shoot thing was just
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a separate, weird thing that happened in the late nineties.
That was that was my and I haven't seen the
entire Jeter documentary, but I saw the first two episodes,
and I really thought that this cover was the was
maybe the start of it, Like, I understand that whole piece,
but that's why it's Again, by the way, if they're
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both covering up, I mean that that is completely on
brand for you know what was since they're sitting next
to each other. And I'm not going to talk about
why their friendships soured, but because and and here's the
other thing, you know what. You know what I I
remember was a Rod said that is absolutely not true.
There's not true. And the person who took the photo
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or whoever was doing it, um was said like no,
that's exactly what was said. So yeah, that's that's very
on brand. I mean, totally, completely and utterly on brand. Um.
That's why I was a little confused by it all
of like, wait a second, you know, I thought I
thought Airad hated this as well, because he was thought
to be the you know, lesser of Derek Jeeter. You know, Um,
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it's it's interesting that as much as their friendship soured,
they kind of try and make nice in it and
they've done this stuff afterwards, but it's it's just it
continues to be super awkward. Like I guess here's the thing.
It's okay to not be friends with everybody. Right. We
have people in our business that try and pretend like, oh,
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they're just friends with everybody, and that that's there are
there are some people that are just super nice and
they don't care. They're just friendly people. But most people
in this business, you're not gonna be friends with everybody.
It's okay, we don't. There are eight million people in
the world. You don't have to be friends with everyone
and faking it for us and trying to prove like,
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no, no no, we're good like that doesn't. It is also
okay for a friendship to have an expiration date. It's
one of my big beliefs. Not all of your friends
are your friends for seventy years. They're friends of yours
who are friends for ten years. Um. There are work friends,
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there are friends from college. There are people that you
touch with and you know, you hear the b S line.
We just picked up right where we left off. Well okay,
well if they didn't talk to you after the you know,
the three biggest moments of your life, you know, because
that gap was there that maybe they're not your friend,
maybe have a good chemistry, but yeah, you don't need
to be friends with everybody, like maybe their friendship was
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that five years or ten years or whatever it is,
but you don't know what why why don't you call
me anymore? Because we're not like we're not friends, Like
we're still friendly, yeah, like I don't hate you, just
you know, we're just yeah, we're not. And there are
some people that you're always Some people you do you
connect with like once a month, once every two months,
and you are you do keep that, you get the updates,
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you keep it going or whatever. There are circumstances. But
there are some people who are like, yeah, you know,
I don't know, a like kind of out of sight,
out of mind, one of those thought patterns. Some of that.
But also sometimes your life changes, you know, yes, you know,
if you if you're when you have kids, you're friends
that don't have kids, you really are going to struggle
to be friends with those people. They live a completely
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different life, and if you're married and somebody is divorced,
it doesn't mean necessary, but you know, like for the
guy stuff. But there are just times in which it
being very normal to invite a couple over, you know,
and there is no couple, and then it becomes who
do we invite? Let's just not invite even though, don't
worry about it. Let's just get another let's get five
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couples over here. So yeah, I don't think it's just
out of side of mind. You can live right down
the street, but sometimes your life takes a change, your
job takes a change, and and um, I agree with
you on expiration not every now some are what what
was your expiation? I've never heard of that terminal relationship,
friends relationship. I have a buddy who I always called,
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and I said to myself, you know what, I'm not
gonna call all him. I'm not gonna call him for
a while. See what happens. It's been almost three years
since I've talked to the guy, like it's but there
was there was maybe a birthday call. There have been texts,
but there's never been a Hey, I just wanted to
see how you're doing. And so then I say to myself.
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If he couldn't pick up the phone to call me,
then maybe like I didn't think of our friendship, or
maybe it moved to a different direction. So yeah, it's
really good buddy of mine, you know, years ago, and
the older we get, I think I think it was
more of a male thing, the older I get. At
least I've I've learned that I'm not really interested. I
don't have the energy to chase relationships. If something happens
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like what just happened with Dan, then you just become
an acquaintance of mine that I'll be civil too, and
we could we could chat if you want, But like,
I'm not gonna chase you down and try to be
your friend at this age. It was something I probably
did in my teenage years and twenties for acceptance and stuff.
I'm not gonna do that anymore. How hard is it
for you guys that will have new friends? Yeah, I
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don't need any friends. Yeah, it's very difficult. Actually, I'm
had a couple of I made a couple of really
good friends a year ago when I started working here,
and Uh and John and and Dan. Um. You know,
I was already friends with Doug. I was like, Wow,
that was that was weird, super I was. I was
just gonna ask because that counts tomorrow by the day,
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I'm just gonna ask you, Doug, is that count like
as new friends that even though we were co workers
friends with you, like I think? I do think adding
Jason has made the four of us a little closer together.
Like I thought we worked really did well together. We
had Ryan music. Ryan's much younger obviously, and he and
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I were pretty close, but I'm not sure we did
enough kind of the four of us kind of working
or like the group text or whatever. So um do
I think, Yeah, that counts a new person at work.
It becomes a friend of you if you text somebody
off work hours, and it does not always have to
do with work, they are in fact your friend. Yeah.
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Me and Jason just looked back at each other and smiled.
So yeah, that's hit it right in the Hodgers You'll
always have, You'll always have the Dodgers. Buyer does feel
like we should just be in a cart together and
just let them talk about the you know. Yeah, h
B is a great litmus test for a friendship though,
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because like if you get to like hold twelve and
you're like, I just have to look at my phone
to just not listen to this person talk anymore. I
just can't. I just can't do it. Then, like if
you're on your phone the whole time whatever, you're both
on your phones. You're doing work, you know. But golf
is a is A is a good one when a
guy hasn't gone to his phone, Like, wow, look at
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my phone. When I'm playing golf, I just try and
lock in, really enjoy the day. Then all of a sudden,
you get to like hole thirteen and he's texting, like
everybody knows save me, call me, tell me there's an
emergency at work. Then something's up the h I figured
that we'd have, you know, some sort of games, and
so we'd have you know, teams and we'd have to
team up. I don't know if we'd switch after nine
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or what. But Dan, I don't know if you know this,
but John is left handed. What's your handicapped, John? I'm
left handed? No, but like there's a number there like
I'm left handed. Thanks John. We'll keep an eye on that.
We'll keep it keeping keep an eye on that. Be
sure to catch the live edition of the Doug Gott
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leap Show week days at three pm Easter noon Pacific,
Doug got Lip Show, Fox Sports Radio. If you having
a good day, so, um, let me ask you some
um j st would you say you are our most strident,
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your our most uh, the biggest badass? You're the biggest
Are you the biggest Laker fan on the staff? No?
I think ralmost might be a bigger fan. I've followed
them since the seventies. But um, I think in passion,
I think John might be a bigger fan than me. John.
What do you think, John? Yeah, I would say I'm
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as as a fan goes probably um and you know,
because I don't think Jason follows the Lakers as well
as the much as the Dodgers as a more of
a yeah correct, Yeah, okay, Um, this is interesting to me. So.
Richard Jefferson has this podcast with Channing Frye. It's a
really good podcast. I didn't think this is one of
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their stronger moments because take a listen to what he
says about Lebron being an all time great as a Laker.
Lebron James has not done enough as a Laker to
be on that list. Bron has been there. Now this
is fourth season. Right, they've been the fourth season. Two
years they haven't made the start of the fifth. Two
years they haven't made the postseason. One year they lost
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in the first on him. One year they won a championship.
But if you take that one championship and not that
you take it out. But if you look at there
hasn't been a consistent level of greatness. Right, you can
win a championship, that's great. But part of Lebron James
being famous for being Lebron James, part of the Laker
organization is consistent greatness, not like a one year your trash,
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next year you're great. No, No, it's like are you
consistently those dudes? And it just hasn't intersected. So I
wouldn't put him above above above Will not yet? Okay,
he wouldn't put him above Wilt? Why? Right, Like that's
that's the big question. Why wouldn't he put him ahead
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of Wilt Chamberlain? Because because why Wilt Chamberlain? One more?
He didn't He simply didn't. Uh. Yes, they won an
NBA title in five games one year that Will was there.
It was his next to last season as the NBA player. Um,
but he was a shell of himself. Will Chamberlain. You
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think of Will Chamberlain, you think of averaging fifty points
in a season the year they won the championship, he
was kind of a bit player seventy two. That's just
kind of the reality to it, right, he averaged fourteen
points a game. He wasn't the best player. He wasn't
their leader. You know Elgin Baylor, Um, Gail Goodrich and
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Jerry West. I mean Elgin Baylor even was at that
time thirty seven years old. It was Jerry West and
Gail Goodridge average to combine fifty two points per game.
Those were the dudes. So I he's sitting there going like, well,
you know, Lebron only won one title in four years.
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Wilt only won one in five years and was bad
in one of the NBA finals. Remember when the Celtics
famously came back and won two games in l A
including when the when the balloons were there right in
Game six and the in Game seven, and the Celtics
end up winning a title on the old Forum hardwood. Like,
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I think, will one game at eight, they give me
at eighteen, Like he was completely shut down by Bill Russell,
So I don't I would agree with him if he said, like, look,
we don't look at Lebron as a Laker. It's not
an all time great laker. You know, it's impossible not
to point out that they didn't make the playoffs twice.
We should point out they won a championship, they didn't
make the playoffs twice, they lost in the first round.
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All of that would be fair. But if you're gonna
compare it against Will chamber and, like, here's the problem.
You don't actually know anything about wild Chamberlain. It's the
exact same kind of pothole that that J. J. Rennick
stepped in a right where you're he's, well, Bob Cuz
he was playing against plumbers and fireman like, because you
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saw one highlight of Bob Cuz the only dropped on
his right hand. Like Bob Cuzy was a magician with
the ball. And you have to take into account time
and era and all these other things, and you can't.
He was incredibly dominant, incredibly creative ahead of the curve
in terms of using both hands. But you're you're judging
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yesterday through the lens of today and through commentary that
you've heard, none of which you've investigated. Yourself. What we
do this constantly. This is just a really really obvious
one to point out, just an obvious one to point
out that if you're gonna point out Will Chance, Will
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Chamberlain was not a great Laker, not close. Wasn't one
of the He wasn't one of the five best players
in the NBA when he was at the Lakers when
they want a title. He wasn't the reason why. He
wasn't even a position of leadership like Lebron is. Even
if you say Anthony Davis is the better player, it
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really hurts his argument. Really us stuck got lip show
here on Fox Sports Radio. Here's Dan Buyer Dan when
he got I don't even know if he's better than
the Kangaroo kid. Jim Pollard, you know, I mean we
talked about Lakers history. Uh, you know, the right hand
man to George mike In on those Minneapolis Lakers teams.
I don't know why they wouldn't even bring that up.
Um kind of bs. If you ask me, I just
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looked it up. I'll tell you what though, Jim Pollard
apparently was one heck of a player in the nineteen
fifty two named that era is the greatest player. They
called him the Kangaroo kid Dug because he could dunk
from the free throw on and touch the top of
the backboard as well, so he had some leaping ability.
But that didn't make it into the Money podcast yet.
Some bunnies just at what point, you know, like, are
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we so far along? All right, I'll let you get
the buka just you know, like we were doing this
thirty years ago, so now we've added like another thirty
years on. You know, when we talked about Serena, we
talked about the Open Era and how things were different,
like the like the sport of tennis age, and now
you looked at Grand Slams and just yeah, I just
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it's you know, you're comparing guys to you know, making
comments and stuff that nobody ever saw. He didn't see him.
Here's here's a good rule. If you never saw them play,
just say, hey, I'm not saying they're not great. I
never saw them play. Yeah, it's really unfair. So you
have to do That's all you have to do. Stell
got lip schell. You're on Fox Sports Radio, Rick Bucker Joint.
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This of course, covers all sports for Fox Sports. One
expertise in the NBA and Rick, what do you make
of all of the recent uh uh yakety yak if
you will plaver out of Brooklyn, that Kevin Durant wants
things to happen on his timeline. He wants out of there,
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and he's finding various ways now to put pressure on
the Net because he's coming to realize or has come
to believe, that they are going to make the best
deal possible and that they're not going to rush into
trading Kyrie or Kevin. Uh So, I don't know that
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at this point that the that the Nets have any
illusions about keeping this thing together or keeping Kevin there,
but they also understand, you know, we may all have
forgotten what um the Minnesota Timberwolves gave up for Rudy Gobert,
but Sean Marks and the Nets certainly have not. And
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so they're not going to do pennies on the dollar,
particularly for a player that they have under contract for
four years. The price on a player if he's soon
to be a free agent is completely different. But whoever's
getting k D has him for four years, and that
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has a tremendous amount of value. So I don't see
the Nets rushing into anything and resid. Right now, everybody's
been slow to put their best offer on the table,
and and Katie realizes all that, and it realizes that
this season may be compromised for him as a result.
So he's hoping to put as much pressure on the
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nets as he can. I would say this, I'm surprised
he took him this long because he made the first
request and everybody thought, Okay, it's Katie, Mike, you know,
he could still have his mind changed, and so there
wasn't any urgency. And now suddenly he's realizing, oh, they
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may not do it on my timeline. I need to
start putting pressure on the next to make that happy. Ultimately,
words the most likely destination, that's a tough question, just
because there's where k D wants to go and how
much of that's going to influence things. And I what
I don't know is how interested is he in going
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to Boston. I believe Boston can make the ultimate best deal.
Now the one thing no one's talked about that I'm
curious and I don't I say this reluctantly because I
think that there are better deals out there. But what's
the possibility of k D and Kyrie both being traded
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to the Lakers and Anthony Davis being in the mix.
Would that satisfy? And again, some of it depends on
how the net look at Anthony Davis UH, and I
don't know how you look at him, But if you
look at the jail and Browns and the brandon Ingram's,
would you make a case And I'm really curious, would
you make a case that Anthony Davis is better than
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any of those guys? When when he's right, he's better.
He's also a little bit more unique and he helps you,
I think a little bit more defensively as well. So
I would do the same. So I would say, Anthony
Davis's mouth availability, do I want to pair him with
Ben Simmons and a lot of other particulars there, but Kyrie?
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I mean k D clearly the reason that he's upset
with the Nets is because they changed their position on Kyrie,
and Katie has said I'd like to play with Kyrie.
And we know that the Los Angeles Lakers are throwing
a hail Mary out there. Now, if you trade k
D and Kyrie separately, I believe that you're able to
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collect more UH draft picks. In particular, you should be
able to get to draft picks out of the Lakers
for Kyrie Irvin. If you send k D to Boston,
you should be able to get some really good players
and a couple of draft picks as well. So that's
why I don't see it as being realistic, but I
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would not be surprised if that's something that is explored,
at least from the Lakers end of things. Um, I
heard this. I played this Richard Jefferson thing where he
talked about Lebron not being an all time great Laker,
which I actually agree with. The issue is he's like
I got him behind Wilt Chamberlain, which is a guy
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who quite obviously knows nothing about Lakers Lakers. When Wilt
Chamberlain was there where, again, I didn't see him play,
So I'm not I don't. I hate the rankings of
guys you didn't really see play. Um, But again, based
upon everything that I've read and my my father, my
late father, and everything that I know, he was a
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shell of himself. He was a mouth content, remember, wouldn't
go back into the game. He got dominated when the
Celtics came back and beat them in the finals, like
and they ultimately won an NBA tittle with Wilt, but
it was a Gail good Rich and Jerry Weston and
and other lead team that he was on. So it
just it feels like a lot of these they want
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to call new media guys guys have just retired, like
the It's not that they don't respect the previous generations.
They just it's not like something they studied or they've
done a ton of research on and they kind of
walked themselves into these traps. And this is the oddest thing.
I was thinking about this the other day, In fact,
I talked about it on my podcast that in the NBA,
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the NBA is the one place where you here today's
players running down their predecessors. You don't hear that. In
the NFL, you don't hear that. Major League Baseball, nobody's
going after Babe ruth Um, No one's going after Kim Raking.
I mean, you could go down the line like you
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don't hear that. You don't hear that in other profession.
Do you hear of musicians Here today's musicians running down
previous generations of great musicians. I can't recall. And that's
just the oddest thing about the NBA and the concurrent
players and looks do old time players look at the
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day's game and go, it's soft and they have things
we don't. Yes, And you know what, the right it's true,
you've benefited as a current player. You've benefited off of
all the things that your predecessors have created, including a
lot more money, a lot more conveniences, a lot more training.
So if the old timers are going to critique today's game,
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you know what, shut up and accept it because you
you are benefiting off of everything that came before you
to go back into like look at they don't you know,
the talent isn't the same, or the skills aren't the same. Oh,
I mean yeah, the money is not the same, opportunities
are not the same. Like yeah, so what it wasn't
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there if you were back then, you wouldn't be what
you are today. There wouldn't be what there is today.
So that's that's the part that that baffles me. As
far as Lebron being an all time great with the Lakers,
I don't think this is something that you can break
down when it comes to statistics or a comp aishman.
It's the feeling that Lakers nation has about a player,
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And from everything that I have seen red and heard,
there's a great segment of Lakers nation that has never
seen Lebron James as a true Laker. They look at
it as a guy who came to l A because
of his It made sense for him from business reasons
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as he approached the end of his career. And while
he has brought them a championship, and I'm sure they
are thankful for that, I don't know that they look
at him as simply having the d n A that
the other guys they look at as Lakers grigs. And
I think that's what's that's that's the rub there in
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putting him in the list. It's not what he's done
or hasn't done, it's how Lakers faithful feel about him.
To me, asked the bridge that Lebron, I don't know
that Lebron is ever going to be able to cross.
It's not his thing, is necessarily his fault, just the
circumstances that he finds himself in. Um. The Christmas Day
games everybody likes to talk about, but what has he
(30:13):
talked about is that the NFL came and took back
Christmas Day. Um. How aware, I mean, how much does
that affect what the NBA and how the NBA is
doing what they're doing, it's always even what do you
mean by that? I just mean it used to be
an NBA only day. Obviously the NFL somebody comes in scheduling,
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but you know, you go back to last year and
then the numbers were just and they put three games
on I believe on Christmas Day like that they've come
and kind of they've hied jack Christmas Day and made
it their own. Used to be the NBA's that used
to be the NBA's purview. Yeah, But I don't know
that there's any like, I don't know that there's anything
that the that the league can do different or that
(30:57):
I look at what they're doing as different, other than
you have a filling New York game, which is clearly
simply you know, everybody's like, why do you have the
NICKSON like because those are two huge markets. Like, so
maybe that's an influence that that you would have it,
but I don't. As I looked at the schedule, I
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didn't see anything like dramatically different from what they've done before.
They're generally the earlier games are going to be big market, Uh,
teams so that they can grab at least a piece
of uh, the attraction. And then it's looking at the
previous season and which are the ones, which which are
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the hottest rivalries that are going to spice up people saying, Oh,
I gotta see like the Grizzlies and the Warriors, for example,
the Memphis You congratulations Memphis, John Morant. This is a
reflection of just how exciting your team is, because it
ain't very often that that that a market like Memphis
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gets to have a Christmas Day game. And I'm sure
that Portland paid the price because they're not, so that
was the trade out. We're gonna go with John Morant
and the Memphis Grizzlies, but David Lollard and the Portland
Trailblazers that we can't. We can't do both. We gotta
do one. A thegether um be a great stuff. As always,
thank you so much for joining us. Let's go to
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Let's go to Dan Buyer get a quick breaking news update,
Dan breaking news from Fox Sports sug The Dodgers have
a comfortable lead in the nl WES, but this is
not gonna make Dodger fans feel comfortable. Walker Bueller is
gonna undergo season ending elbow surgery next week. Walker Bueller
done for the season. For the Dodgers reaction, Jason Stewart,
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let's go to Sherman Oaks. Hello, Now it's tough. And
we kept reading that the guy hadn't even picked up
a ball um recently, so I'm like that that's not
in good news. Use So though it is surprising that
he's shut down for the year, I was kind of
in my mind almost thinking we're probably gonna have to
do this without him anyways. I mean, it's a tough blow.
(33:11):
He was a cy young candidate last year and our
best young picture and uh yeah, no, it's tough, but
we got enough horses to get this done. Okay. So
if you're setting your postseason rotation, your game one starter
is who you almost have to go with Goslin right now. Um,
(33:32):
if Kerrshaw is not available, let's hope that we get
in Quayton back. But yeah, probably Goslins are number one
starter at the moment. Goslin and Urius one, two, and
then Kershaw three and Hainey if he's healthy for oh
wait Anderson, I'd go areus number one? But that's just me.
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I agree and teller interstance that the heck of a year,
really really good year. I would start Ardius on the
road a road game, That's where I would start him
if if you know that's used you make coach, you
want to start your more established pictures in the road game.
So I don't know when the Dodges will play a
road game, but that's where I would put Eardies in
(34:16):
the line. A couple offs. You play a road game,
go ahead. I'm sorry, Dustin Mays coming back. So whether
whether that's what you want to Dusty, may to be
your closing Yeah, I kind of did. And then and
then we got the waiver wire dead Wine, which is
completely different than the past. Yes, um, I I was
(34:37):
looking at home, home and away, Um is slightly better.
Away is roadiar a is two point to seven, homire
is two point seven seven. That that matters against that
matters at all anyway, big, that's big news in Major
League Baseball. Thanks Dan Ford breaking down that could Janice
have his eyes another NBA team? Would? It? Starts the
(34:58):
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Otlip Show Fox Sports Radio. Devastating news for the Dodgers
as Walker Bueller is gonna have season ending arm surgery.
(35:23):
That the news that Dan Buyer shared with us. Kevin
Durant just tweeted quote, I know most people believe unnamed
sources over me, but if anyone's out there that will listen,
I don't plan on retiring anytime soon. Blank is comical
at this point. So Katie, as we said, like, would
he consider retiring, Like you can consider something, go like, yeah, no,
(35:44):
I'm not gonna do it. That's considering it. Let's get
to the press. The press don't But yeah, Durant may
not be retiring, But could Janis and Tenna Kompo be
looking some where outside of Milwaukee? Well, he was asked
in a Q and A today with Fox thirty two
(36:05):
in Chicago. This was Janice's response about playing for the
Chicago Bulls. I think anybody who asked that question that
plays basketball, if he said no, he would be he
would be a liar. It's a team that won the
multiple championship, is a team that one of the greatest
players if not the greatest player to play this game
played forward. So it's nobody and everybody would love to
(36:26):
play for Chicago down the line. You never know, you know,
you never know how life bring did. Maybe maybe I
played for Chicago, but right now, commit to you know, look,
sometimes you do the hometown interview and you say nice things,
right that that that's really what that's really what takes place.
(36:49):
It's just like you say, like he didn't say I
want to play for Chicago. I'm good, Like he just
said it's a great team and history. It's like we
go crazy about things. Yes, nothing to really go crazy about.
But if there was a team honestly that Bucks fans
would not want the honest to go to, the Bulls
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would be number one. So yeah, yeah, I really wouldn't.
Um just be a little longer drive. Kevin Durant says
he's not going to retire. Ben Simmons apparently told Stephen
A he's ready to go. He's ready to be a net,
ready to play for the Nets. Yeah, let's do this
(37:32):
next season, Nets Country. Let's right, Nets, Country, Let's ride right,
all right, Country, Let's ride. The UH College Football Playoff
National championship games have been set. Reports out of Atlanta
(37:55):
say that Atlanta is going to get it in, while
the College Football Playoff Committee did announced that the game
will take place in Miami. So you know, Herbert Herbie said,
they's just having the Rose Bowl every year. It will
be bad, right, It wouldn't be a bad thing, and
especially to make up for the fact they destroyed the
(38:15):
Rose Bowl. Yes, yes, there's the consolation gift. That's the
press bag. It out there and pressed. That was the
press Okay, so here's the deal. We're all calling in
sick tomorrow. Okay. Ramos is the kind of guy's gonna
call in go like, I'm not really sick, but I'm
supposed to call in sick. You know, I'm left handed,
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Fernano Tattis was tested was busted for p E D S.
What's interesting about Fernano Tattis is it's early enough in
(01:09):
his career that even though this should be like, hey,
we shouldn't talk about him as an all time great
or hey we shouldn't consider him a Hall of Famer,
the truth is, at twenty three years old, next year
he comes back, and if he has you know, five
to seven years of greatness, we're all going to forget.
I mean, look, Alex Rodriguez twice tested positive for p
(01:31):
e d s, the only guy to ever do so
at at his level, and yet here he is. I mean,
he's a he's a corporation, he's on Fox, he's on ESPN,
he's covered Major League baseball. Now he's you know, somebody
thinks he was a dynamic enough player and I guess
personality two work for two different competing networks covering Major
(01:54):
League baseball. Like that's a that's kind of something you
think Derek Jeter would do, considering how respected Derek Jeter
is and never a hint or a whiff of any
sort of p e D use. Speaking of Jeter, of course,
his uh long his series documentary on him, The Captain,
just came to a conclusion. Derek Jeter and Alex Rodriguez
(02:16):
had this exchange on the ESPN alternative broadcast to the
Red Sox Yankees game last night. They were talking about
the Sports Illustrated shoot. This is how it went. We
were actually that photo shoot was in Miami and and
please don't put it on the screen, but that photo
shoot was in Miami, and you remember, it was the
last shot that we had of the day, and everyone
(02:38):
was willing to do it, and I was the last holdout,
and they were like, let's go, let's go, let's go
so we can get out of here. And I shouldn't
have done this with Derek and I are opposite. I
like this so much my own Yeah, I was great, Well,
you've actually scared our producer Joe McCoy had that thing.
(03:00):
He never put it up, He never put up on
the board. This would be my last visit here. So
Jeter hated it and a Rod loved it, which is
about right right. I mean, there's nothing could be could
be more in on brand than both of their comments. Jeter,
who wanted nothing to do with anything I anything low,
(03:23):
anything controversial, anything interesting, anything people can make fun of.
And Alex Rodriguez, who any publicity say is good publicity?
Is that how you see JS do that? When I
listened to it when I saw it live, and now
I listen to it now, I have the I think
the exact same thing I do. I do agree with that. UM.
(03:44):
I know I'm on record, and I'll stand it again.
I think Alex Rodriguez is like the biggest phony in sports.
I don't believe a word that comes out of his mouth.
I'm not a big fan. UM. And the the series,
the documentary series on Peter actually made me a bigger
fan of his. UM. I didn't think I would like
(04:05):
it on Jeter. Yeah, it made me a bigger fan
of Derek Jeeter. So I go kind of both ways
on these guys. UM. I remember that picture at the
time being so odd. UM. Ray Or Dons Egerntorrhea and
Alex Gonzalez were the other three three shortstops. For whatever reason,
(04:26):
nomar Garcia part wasn't in it, um, and it was
a shirtless pick in Sports Illustrated. It seemed like a
picture that was like the target audience was gay men
and or women, and I didn't know that either of
them were big demographic of Sports Illustrated. So it's just
all seemed kind of odd to me. And I like
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that that Jeter even what twenty three years later, twenty
four years later, it was like, yeah, I wasn't into that.
I didn't like it at all, and it kind of
confirmed my my feelings about it. And then of course
Alex Rodriguez being into it says all you need to
know about Alex Rodriguez stud gotlip show here on Fox
Sports Radio. It's it's really an amazing thing. Um. But
(05:12):
I find I do find who are the people who
go like, Welllexrodriguez, yep, he said it, it's good. I don't.
I don't. I don't get that one that one don't
get like Smoltz is so good. I walk away learning
so much from Smoltz, and I go around baseball and
generally most of those guys who call games. Um, but
I think the now look, if you had the balance
(05:34):
of a Jeter and an a Rod in the booth
at the same time, where Jeter kind of gave you
the straight and narrow of it and a Rod gave
you the that would be amazing, I think by himself,
though I don't, I don't love it. I don't love
what do you think buyer well on what on the
on the on the photo like isn't it isn't it?
(05:56):
It feels like you could have written their response and
been sarcastic about it. Jeter will hate it, Rod will
love it before they said it, and then they did,
and you're like, oh my gosh, that was right on brand. Yeah,
And and I want to take a look at the
picture because, um, it wasn't this the reason why they're like?
Feud kind of happened because a Rod this is the
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in the documentary. I thought a Rod got mad because
it made it look like Jeter was better than him
and was his big brother. So that's why I'm confused
on this, you know, k Rod cast is that Jeters
like I hated it and a Rod's like I loved it.
But wasn't this the whole reason on why they stopped
becoming friends? I think we're I think you're mixing a
(06:38):
couple of things. I think the the the actual cover
of an SI magazine had like Jeter above him and
making him look like a little brother, right. And then
it was the article in Esquire where a Rod made
a lot of controversial remarks about Jeter not needing to
be a need to be great. You can need to
be a leader because they had so many great players
around it. I think this photo shoot thing was just
(07:00):
a separate, weird thing that happened in the late nineties.
That was that was my and I haven't seen the
entire Jeter documentary, but I saw the first two episodes,
and I really thought that this cover was the was
maybe the start of it, Like, I understand that whole piece,
but that's why it's Again, by the way, if they're
(07:22):
both covering up, I mean that that is completely on
brand for you know what was since they're sitting next
to each other. And I'm not going to talk about
why their friendships soured, but because and and here's the
other thing, you know what. You know what I I
remember was a Rod said that is absolutely not true.
There's not true. And the person who took the photo
(07:45):
or whoever was doing it, um was said like no,
that's exactly what was said. So yeah, that's that's very
on brand. I mean, totally, completely and utterly on brand. Um.
That's why I was a little confused by it all
of like, wait a second, you know, I thought I
thought Airad hated this as well, because he was thought
to be the you know, lesser of Derek Jeeter. You know, Um,
(08:08):
it's it's interesting that as much as their friendship soured,
they kind of try and make nice in it and
they've done this stuff afterwards, but it's it's just it
continues to be super awkward. Like I guess here's the thing.
It's okay to not be friends with everybody. Right. We
have people in our business that try and pretend like, oh,
(08:29):
they're just friends with everybody, and that that's there are
there are some people that are just super nice and
they don't care. They're just friendly people. But most people
in this business, you're not gonna be friends with everybody.
It's okay, we don't. There are eight million people in
the world. You don't have to be friends with everyone
and faking it for us and trying to prove like,
(08:50):
no, no no, we're good like that doesn't. It is also
okay for a friendship to have an expiration date. It's
one of my big beliefs. Not all of your friends
are your friends for seventy years. They're friends of yours
who are friends for ten years. Um. There are work friends,
(09:10):
there are friends from college. There are people that you
touch with and you know, you hear the b S line.
We just picked up right where we left off. Well okay,
well if they didn't talk to you after the you know,
the three biggest moments of your life, you know, because
that gap was there that maybe they're not your friend,
maybe have a good chemistry, but yeah, you don't need
to be friends with everybody, like maybe their friendship was
(09:31):
that five years or ten years or whatever it is,
but you don't know what why why don't you call
me anymore? Because we're not like we're not friends, Like
we're still friendly, yeah, like I don't hate you, just
you know, we're just yeah, we're not. And there are
some people that you're always Some people you do you
connect with like once a month, once every two months,
and you are you do keep that, you get the updates,
(09:51):
you keep it going or whatever. There are circumstances. But
there are some people who are like, yeah, you know,
I don't know, a like kind of out of sight,
out of mind, one of those thought patterns. Some of that.
But also sometimes your life changes, you know, yes, you know,
if you if you're when you have kids, you're friends
that don't have kids, you really are going to struggle
to be friends with those people. They live a completely
(10:12):
different life, and if you're married and somebody is divorced,
it doesn't mean necessary, but you know, like for the
guy stuff. But there are just times in which it
being very normal to invite a couple over, you know,
and there is no couple, and then it becomes who
do we invite? Let's just not invite even though, don't
worry about it. Let's just get another let's get five
(10:33):
couples over here. So yeah, I don't think it's just
out of side of mind. You can live right down
the street, but sometimes your life takes a change, your
job takes a change, and and um, I agree with
you on expiration not every now some are what what
was your expiation? I've never heard of that terminal relationship,
friends relationship. I have a buddy who I always called,
(10:57):
and I said to myself, you know what, I'm not
gonna call all him. I'm not gonna call him for
a while. See what happens. It's been almost three years
since I've talked to the guy, like it's but there
was there was maybe a birthday call. There have been texts,
but there's never been a Hey, I just wanted to
see how you're doing. And so then I say to myself.
(11:18):
If he couldn't pick up the phone to call me,
then maybe like I didn't think of our friendship, or
maybe it moved to a different direction. So yeah, it's
really good buddy of mine, you know, years ago, and
the older we get, I think I think it was
more of a male thing, the older I get. At
least I've I've learned that I'm not really interested. I
don't have the energy to chase relationships. If something happens
(11:40):
like what just happened with Dan, then you just become
an acquaintance of mine that I'll be civil too, and
we could we could chat if you want, But like,
I'm not gonna chase you down and try to be
your friend at this age. It was something I probably
did in my teenage years and twenties for acceptance and stuff.
I'm not gonna do that anymore. How hard is it
for you guys that will have new friends? Yeah, I
(12:00):
don't need any friends. Yeah, it's very difficult. Actually, I'm
had a couple of I made a couple of really
good friends a year ago when I started working here,
and Uh and John and and Dan. Um. You know,
I was already friends with Doug. I was like, Wow,
that was that was weird, super I was. I was
just gonna ask because that counts tomorrow by the day,
(12:24):
I'm just gonna ask you, Doug, is that count like
as new friends that even though we were co workers
friends with you, like I think? I do think adding
Jason has made the four of us a little closer together.
Like I thought we worked really did well together. We
had Ryan music. Ryan's much younger obviously, and he and
(12:46):
I were pretty close, but I'm not sure we did
enough kind of the four of us kind of working
or like the group text or whatever. So um do
I think, Yeah, that counts a new person at work.
It becomes a friend of you if you text somebody
off work hours, and it does not always have to
do with work, they are in fact your friend. Yeah.
(13:08):
Me and Jason just looked back at each other and smiled.
So yeah, that's hit it right in the Hodgers You'll
always have, You'll always have the Dodgers. Buyer does feel
like we should just be in a cart together and
just let them talk about the you know. Yeah, h
B is a great litmus test for a friendship though,
(13:29):
because like if you get to like hold twelve and
you're like, I just have to look at my phone
to just not listen to this person talk anymore. I
just can't. I just can't do it. Then, like if
you're on your phone the whole time whatever, you're both
on your phones. You're doing work, you know. But golf
is a is A is a good one when a
guy hasn't gone to his phone, Like, wow, look at
(13:50):
my phone. When I'm playing golf, I just try and
lock in, really enjoy the day. Then all of a sudden,
you get to like hole thirteen and he's texting, like
everybody knows save me, call me, tell me there's an
emergency at work. Then something's up the h I figured
that we'd have, you know, some sort of games, and
so we'd have you know, teams and we'd have to
team up. I don't know if we'd switch after nine
(14:11):
or what. But Dan, I don't know if you know this,
but John is left handed. What's your handicapped, John? I'm
left handed? No, but like there's a number there like
I'm left handed. Thanks John. We'll keep an eye on that.
We'll keep it keeping keep an eye on that. Be
sure to catch the live edition of the Doug Gott
(14:31):
leap Show week days at three pm Easter noon Pacific,
Doug got Lip Show, Fox Sports Radio. If you having
a good day, so, um, let me ask you some
um j st would you say you are our most strident,
(14:53):
your our most uh, the biggest badass? You're the biggest
Are you the biggest Laker fan on the staff? No?
I think ralmost might be a bigger fan. I've followed
them since the seventies. But um, I think in passion,
I think John might be a bigger fan than me. John.
What do you think, John? Yeah, I would say I'm
(15:16):
as as a fan goes probably um and you know,
because I don't think Jason follows the Lakers as well
as the much as the Dodgers as a more of
a yeah correct, Yeah, okay, Um, this is interesting to me. So.
Richard Jefferson has this podcast with Channing Frye. It's a
really good podcast. I didn't think this is one of
(15:38):
their stronger moments because take a listen to what he
says about Lebron being an all time great as a Laker.
Lebron James has not done enough as a Laker to
be on that list. Bron has been there. Now this
is fourth season. Right, they've been the fourth season. Two
years they haven't made the start of the fifth. Two
years they haven't made the postseason. One year they lost
(15:59):
in the first on him. One year they won a championship.
But if you take that one championship and not that
you take it out. But if you look at there
hasn't been a consistent level of greatness. Right, you can
win a championship, that's great. But part of Lebron James
being famous for being Lebron James, part of the Laker
organization is consistent greatness, not like a one year your trash,
(16:21):
next year you're great. No, No, it's like are you
consistently those dudes? And it just hasn't intersected. So I
wouldn't put him above above above Will not yet? Okay,
he wouldn't put him above Wilt? Why? Right, Like that's
that's the big question. Why wouldn't he put him ahead
(16:41):
of Wilt Chamberlain? Because because why Wilt Chamberlain? One more?
He didn't He simply didn't. Uh. Yes, they won an
NBA title in five games one year that Will was there.
It was his next to last season as the NBA player. Um,
but he was a shell of himself. Will Chamberlain. You
(17:03):
think of Will Chamberlain, you think of averaging fifty points
in a season the year they won the championship, he
was kind of a bit player seventy two. That's just
kind of the reality to it, right, he averaged fourteen
points a game. He wasn't the best player. He wasn't
their leader. You know Elgin Baylor, Um, Gail Goodrich and
(17:28):
Jerry West. I mean Elgin Baylor even was at that
time thirty seven years old. It was Jerry West and
Gail Goodridge average to combine fifty two points per game.
Those were the dudes. So I he's sitting there going like, well,
you know, Lebron only won one title in four years.
(17:49):
Wilt only won one in five years and was bad
in one of the NBA finals. Remember when the Celtics
famously came back and won two games in l A
including when the when the balloons were there right in
Game six and the in Game seven, and the Celtics
end up winning a title on the old Forum hardwood. Like,
(18:09):
I think, will one game at eight, they give me
at eighteen, Like he was completely shut down by Bill Russell,
So I don't I would agree with him if he said, like, look,
we don't look at Lebron as a Laker. It's not
an all time great laker. You know, it's impossible not
to point out that they didn't make the playoffs twice.
We should point out they won a championship, they didn't
make the playoffs twice, they lost in the first round.
(18:31):
All of that would be fair. But if you're gonna
compare it against Will chamber and, like, here's the problem.
You don't actually know anything about wild Chamberlain. It's the
exact same kind of pothole that that J. J. Rennick
stepped in a right where you're he's, well, Bob Cuz
he was playing against plumbers and fireman like, because you
(18:53):
saw one highlight of Bob Cuz the only dropped on
his right hand. Like Bob Cuzy was a magician with
the ball. And you have to take into account time
and era and all these other things, and you can't.
He was incredibly dominant, incredibly creative ahead of the curve
in terms of using both hands. But you're you're judging
(19:15):
yesterday through the lens of today and through commentary that
you've heard, none of which you've investigated. Yourself. What we
do this constantly. This is just a really really obvious
one to point out, just an obvious one to point
out that if you're gonna point out Will Chance, Will
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Chamberlain was not a great Laker, not close. Wasn't one
of the He wasn't one of the five best players
in the NBA when he was at the Lakers when
they want a title. He wasn't the reason why. He
wasn't even a position of leadership like Lebron is. Even
if you say Anthony Davis is the better player, it
(19:58):
really hurts his argument. Really us stuck got lip show
here on Fox Sports Radio. Here's Dan Buyer Dan when
he got I don't even know if he's better than
the Kangaroo kid. Jim Pollard, you know, I mean we
talked about Lakers history. Uh, you know, the right hand
man to George mike In on those Minneapolis Lakers teams.
I don't know why they wouldn't even bring that up.
Um kind of bs. If you ask me, I just
(20:19):
looked it up. I'll tell you what though, Jim Pollard
apparently was one heck of a player in the nineteen
fifty two named that era is the greatest player. They
called him the Kangaroo kid Dug because he could dunk
from the free throw on and touch the top of
the backboard as well, so he had some leaping ability.
But that didn't make it into the Money podcast yet.
Some bunnies just at what point, you know, like, are
(20:42):
we so far along? All right, I'll let you get
the buka just you know, like we were doing this
thirty years ago, so now we've added like another thirty
years on. You know, when we talked about Serena, we
talked about the Open Era and how things were different,
like the like the sport of tennis age, and now
you looked at Grand Slams and just yeah, I just
(21:03):
it's you know, you're comparing guys to you know, making
comments and stuff that nobody ever saw. He didn't see him.
Here's here's a good rule. If you never saw them play,
just say, hey, I'm not saying they're not great. I
never saw them play. Yeah, it's really unfair. So you
have to do That's all you have to do. Stell
got lip schell. You're on Fox Sports Radio, Rick Bucker Joint.
(21:26):
This of course, covers all sports for Fox Sports. One
expertise in the NBA and Rick, what do you make
of all of the recent uh uh yakety yak if
you will plaver out of Brooklyn, that Kevin Durant wants
things to happen on his timeline. He wants out of there,
(21:48):
and he's finding various ways now to put pressure on
the Net because he's coming to realize or has come
to believe, that they are going to make the best
deal possible and that they're not going to rush into
trading Kyrie or Kevin. Uh So, I don't know that
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at this point that the that the Nets have any
illusions about keeping this thing together or keeping Kevin there,
but they also understand, you know, we may all have
forgotten what um the Minnesota Timberwolves gave up for Rudy Gobert,
but Sean Marks and the Nets certainly have not. And
(22:30):
so they're not going to do pennies on the dollar,
particularly for a player that they have under contract for
four years. The price on a player if he's soon
to be a free agent is completely different. But whoever's
getting k D has him for four years, and that
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has a tremendous amount of value. So I don't see
the Nets rushing into anything and resid. Right now, everybody's
been slow to put their best offer on the table,
and and Katie realizes all that, and it realizes that
this season may be compromised for him as a result.
So he's hoping to put as much pressure on the
(23:12):
nets as he can. I would say this, I'm surprised
he took him this long because he made the first
request and everybody thought, Okay, it's Katie, Mike, you know,
he could still have his mind changed, and so there
wasn't any urgency. And now suddenly he's realizing, oh, they
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may not do it on my timeline. I need to
start putting pressure on the next to make that happy. Ultimately,
words the most likely destination, that's a tough question, just
because there's where k D wants to go and how
much of that's going to influence things. And I what
I don't know is how interested is he in going
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to Boston. I believe Boston can make the ultimate best deal.
Now the one thing no one's talked about that I'm
curious and I don't I say this reluctantly because I
think that there are better deals out there. But what's
the possibility of k D and Kyrie both being traded
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to the Lakers and Anthony Davis being in the mix.
Would that satisfy? And again, some of it depends on
how the net look at Anthony Davis UH, and I
don't know how you look at him, But if you
look at the jail and Browns and the brandon Ingram's,
would you make a case And I'm really curious, would
you make a case that Anthony Davis is better than
(24:42):
any of those guys? When when he's right, he's better.
He's also a little bit more unique and he helps you,
I think a little bit more defensively as well. So
I would do the same. So I would say, Anthony
Davis's mouth availability, do I want to pair him with
Ben Simmons and a lot of other particulars there, but Kyrie?
(25:05):
I mean k D clearly the reason that he's upset
with the Nets is because they changed their position on Kyrie,
and Katie has said I'd like to play with Kyrie.
And we know that the Los Angeles Lakers are throwing
a hail Mary out there. Now, if you trade k
D and Kyrie separately, I believe that you're able to
(25:27):
collect more UH draft picks. In particular, you should be
able to get to draft picks out of the Lakers
for Kyrie Irvin. If you send k D to Boston,
you should be able to get some really good players
and a couple of draft picks as well. So that's
why I don't see it as being realistic, but I
(25:47):
would not be surprised if that's something that is explored,
at least from the Lakers end of things. Um, I
heard this. I played this Richard Jefferson thing where he
talked about Lebron not being an all time great Laker,
which I actually agree with. The issue is he's like
I got him behind Wilt Chamberlain, which is a guy
(26:09):
who quite obviously knows nothing about Lakers Lakers. When Wilt
Chamberlain was there where, again, I didn't see him play,
So I'm not I don't. I hate the rankings of
guys you didn't really see play. Um, But again, based
upon everything that I've read and my my father, my
late father, and everything that I know, he was a
(26:33):
shell of himself. He was a mouth content, remember, wouldn't
go back into the game. He got dominated when the
Celtics came back and beat them in the finals, like
and they ultimately won an NBA tittle with Wilt, but
it was a Gail good Rich and Jerry Weston and
and other lead team that he was on. So it
just it feels like a lot of these they want
(26:54):
to call new media guys guys have just retired, like
the It's not that they don't respect the previous generations.
They just it's not like something they studied or they've
done a ton of research on and they kind of
walked themselves into these traps. And this is the oddest thing.
I was thinking about this the other day, In fact,
I talked about it on my podcast that in the NBA,
(27:14):
the NBA is the one place where you here today's
players running down their predecessors. You don't hear that. In
the NFL, you don't hear that. Major League Baseball, nobody's
going after Babe ruth Um, No one's going after Kim Raking.
I mean, you could go down the line like you
(27:35):
don't hear that. You don't hear that in other profession.
Do you hear of musicians Here today's musicians running down
previous generations of great musicians. I can't recall. And that's
just the oddest thing about the NBA and the concurrent
players and looks do old time players look at the
(27:57):
day's game and go, it's soft and they have things
we don't. Yes, And you know what, the right it's true,
you've benefited as a current player. You've benefited off of
all the things that your predecessors have created, including a
lot more money, a lot more conveniences, a lot more training.
So if the old timers are going to critique today's game,
(28:18):
you know what, shut up and accept it because you
you are benefiting off of everything that came before you
to go back into like look at they don't you know,
the talent isn't the same, or the skills aren't the same. Oh,
I mean yeah, the money is not the same, opportunities
are not the same. Like yeah, so what it wasn't
(28:42):
there if you were back then, you wouldn't be what
you are today. There wouldn't be what there is today.
So that's that's the part that that baffles me. As
far as Lebron being an all time great with the Lakers,
I don't think this is something that you can break
down when it comes to statistics or a comp aishman.
It's the feeling that Lakers nation has about a player,
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And from everything that I have seen red and heard,
there's a great segment of Lakers nation that has never
seen Lebron James as a true Laker. They look at
it as a guy who came to l A because
of his It made sense for him from business reasons
(29:30):
as he approached the end of his career. And while
he has brought them a championship, and I'm sure they
are thankful for that, I don't know that they look
at him as simply having the d n A that
the other guys they look at as Lakers grigs. And
I think that's what's that's that's the rub there in
(29:51):
putting him in the list. It's not what he's done
or hasn't done, it's how Lakers faithful feel about him.
To me, asked the bridge that Lebron, I don't know
that Lebron is ever going to be able to cross.
It's not his thing, is necessarily his fault, just the
circumstances that he finds himself in. Um. The Christmas Day
games everybody likes to talk about, but what has he
(30:13):
talked about is that the NFL came and took back
Christmas Day. Um. How aware, I mean, how much does
that affect what the NBA and how the NBA is
doing what they're doing, it's always even what do you
mean by that? I just mean it used to be
an NBA only day. Obviously the NFL somebody comes in scheduling,
(30:35):
but you know, you go back to last year and
then the numbers were just and they put three games
on I believe on Christmas Day like that they've come
and kind of they've hied jack Christmas Day and made
it their own. Used to be the NBA's that used
to be the NBA's purview. Yeah, But I don't know
that there's any like, I don't know that there's anything
that the that the league can do different or that
(30:57):
I look at what they're doing as different, other than
you have a filling New York game, which is clearly
simply you know, everybody's like, why do you have the
NICKSON like because those are two huge markets. Like, so
maybe that's an influence that that you would have it,
but I don't. As I looked at the schedule, I
(31:20):
didn't see anything like dramatically different from what they've done before.
They're generally the earlier games are going to be big market, Uh,
teams so that they can grab at least a piece
of uh, the attraction. And then it's looking at the
previous season and which are the ones, which which are
(31:42):
the hottest rivalries that are going to spice up people saying, Oh,
I gotta see like the Grizzlies and the Warriors, for example,
the Memphis You congratulations Memphis, John Morant. This is a
reflection of just how exciting your team is, because it
ain't very often that that that a market like Memphis
(32:02):
gets to have a Christmas Day game. And I'm sure
that Portland paid the price because they're not, so that
was the trade out. We're gonna go with John Morant
and the Memphis Grizzlies, but David Lollard and the Portland
Trailblazers that we can't. We can't do both. We gotta
do one. A thegether um be a great stuff. As always,
thank you so much for joining us. Let's go to
(32:25):
Let's go to Dan Buyer get a quick breaking news update,
Dan breaking news from Fox Sports sug The Dodgers have
a comfortable lead in the nl WES, but this is
not gonna make Dodger fans feel comfortable. Walker Bueller is
gonna undergo season ending elbow surgery next week. Walker Bueller
done for the season. For the Dodgers reaction, Jason Stewart,
(32:50):
let's go to Sherman Oaks. Hello, Now it's tough. And
we kept reading that the guy hadn't even picked up
a ball um recently, so I'm like that that's not
in good news. Use So though it is surprising that
he's shut down for the year, I was kind of
in my mind almost thinking we're probably gonna have to
do this without him anyways. I mean, it's a tough blow.
(33:11):
He was a cy young candidate last year and our
best young picture and uh yeah, no, it's tough, but
we got enough horses to get this done. Okay. So
if you're setting your postseason rotation, your game one starter
is who you almost have to go with Goslin right now. Um,
(33:32):
if Kerrshaw is not available, let's hope that we get
in Quayton back. But yeah, probably Goslins are number one
starter at the moment. Goslin and Urius one, two, and
then Kershaw three and Hainey if he's healthy for oh
wait Anderson, I'd go areus number one? But that's just me.
(33:55):
I agree and teller interstance that the heck of a year,
really really good year. I would start Ardius on the
road a road game, That's where I would start him
if if you know that's used you make coach, you
want to start your more established pictures in the road game.
So I don't know when the Dodges will play a
road game, but that's where I would put Eardies in
(34:16):
the line. A couple offs. You play a road game,
go ahead. I'm sorry, Dustin Mays coming back. So whether
whether that's what you want to Dusty, may to be
your closing Yeah, I kind of did. And then and
then we got the waiver wire dead Wine, which is
completely different than the past. Yes, um, I I was
(34:37):
looking at home, home and away, Um is slightly better.
Away is roadiar a is two point to seven, homire
is two point seven seven. That that matters against that
matters at all anyway, big, that's big news in Major
League Baseball. Thanks Dan Ford breaking down that could Janice
have his eyes another NBA team? Would? It? Starts the
(34:58):
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Otlip Show Fox Sports Radio. Devastating news for the Dodgers
as Walker Bueller is gonna have season ending arm surgery.
(35:23):
That the news that Dan Buyer shared with us. Kevin
Durant just tweeted quote, I know most people believe unnamed
sources over me, but if anyone's out there that will listen,
I don't plan on retiring anytime soon. Blank is comical
at this point. So Katie, as we said, like, would
he consider retiring, Like you can consider something, go like, yeah, no,
(35:44):
I'm not gonna do it. That's considering it. Let's get
to the press. The press don't But yeah, Durant may
not be retiring, But could Janis and Tenna Kompo be
looking some where outside of Milwaukee? Well, he was asked
in a Q and A today with Fox thirty two
(36:05):
in Chicago. This was Janice's response about playing for the
Chicago Bulls. I think anybody who asked that question that
plays basketball, if he said no, he would be he
would be a liar. It's a team that won the
multiple championship, is a team that one of the greatest
players if not the greatest player to play this game
played forward. So it's nobody and everybody would love to
(36:26):
play for Chicago down the line. You never know, you know,
you never know how life bring did. Maybe maybe I
played for Chicago, but right now, commit to you know, look,
sometimes you do the hometown interview and you say nice things,
right that that that's really what that's really what takes place.
(36:49):
It's just like you say, like he didn't say I
want to play for Chicago. I'm good, Like he just
said it's a great team and history. It's like we
go crazy about things. Yes, nothing to really go crazy about.
But if there was a team honestly that Bucks fans
would not want the honest to go to, the Bulls
(37:10):
would be number one. So yeah, yeah, I really wouldn't.
Um just be a little longer drive. Kevin Durant says
he's not going to retire. Ben Simmons apparently told Stephen
A he's ready to go. He's ready to be a net,
ready to play for the Nets. Yeah, let's do this
(37:32):
next season, Nets Country. Let's right, Nets, Country, Let's ride right,
all right, Country, Let's ride. The UH College Football Playoff
National championship games have been set. Reports out of Atlanta
(37:55):
say that Atlanta is going to get it in, while
the College Football Playoff Committee did announced that the game
will take place in Miami. So you know, Herbert Herbie said,
they's just having the Rose Bowl every year. It will
be bad, right, It wouldn't be a bad thing, and
especially to make up for the fact they destroyed the
(38:15):
Rose Bowl. Yes, yes, there's the consolation gift. That's the
press bag. It out there and pressed. That was the
press Okay, so here's the deal. We're all calling in
sick tomorrow. Okay. Ramos is the kind of guy's gonna
call in go like, I'm not really sick, but I'm
supposed to call in sick. You know, I'm left handed,
or pour back our golf scores. This is Doug Gotlip Show,
(38:36):
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