March 21, 2025 • 43 mins
NCAA Tourney: Can older coaches like Cal / Self still evolve?
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Speaker 3 (00:27):
What up? Welcome in. This is the Hurt. Whoever we
be and however we may make you this part of
your day. Thanks so much. I'm Doug Gottlieb in for
Colin Cowherd and for the next hour, I wanted Doc's sports.
When you NSAA tournament's going on, Muncher Robert Morris keep
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it close here with with Alabama, Bobby moe is we're
in the same league. It's the head coach of Green Bay.
Robert Morris won our league and won our conference tournament
championship as well. And they're given they're given alabamack of
a game. Baylor up eight on Mississippi State and Iowa
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State up but twelve on Lipscomb Lipskim Lipscomb is just
another school in Nashville. Nashville has Belmont Lipscomb and of course,
Vanderbilt New Alabama is up forty nine forty four on
Robert Morris the Colonials. Colonials last night if you're watching,
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Arkansas came from behind, they had to lead, then Kansas
came back, had a lead to their own, and Arkansas
ends up taking down Kansas. The Jayhawks lose the first round,
since it was like two thousand and six, for the
first time they lost in the last time they lost
in the first round. You know, it's always interesting on
people's for a long time. They would, you know, talked
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about Bill self and losing early in the tournament, like
that's been nearly twenty years. And this was a weird bunch,
right seven seed, even though he had a couple of
fifth year seniors. They end up losing to John Caliperi
and I do get it. I heard we were running
a promo where Ben Maller, who of course does our
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overnights at Fox Sports Radios, said, you know, he thinks
that Kansas should should make a change at coach, and
I mean, I think it's hysterical, respectfully, Yeah, Ben, that's
the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of my life. Now,
if Bill decides, amen, I don't want to do it anymore.
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I'm just I'm kind of fried. I need a break
by all means. But yeah, it's like four years ago
he won national championship. They won, I don't know it
was twelve thirteen, big twelve titles in a row. Yeah. No,
at least game hasn't passed him by. Game's changed, you know,
roster compositions changed. Now. I'm of the belief that it
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just you know, takes guys in a while a year
to figure it out, because yesterday he was throwing out
a team at times that had four transfers on the court,
four four and you know, for you can tell me
all you want about about how much they paid. But
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if we just use the NFL as our guide, NFL's
our guide, the hit rate on free agents in the
NFL is thirty three percent. So if in the National
Football League, where they do a great job of scouting,
right in the league, I mean in the actual league. Remember,
like like, the hit rate for free agents is thirty
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three percent. Hit rate for first round draft picks is
fifty percent. Now that's to the level of expectations based
upon where they're drafted, to level of expectations based upon
or they're signed as a free agent. But the point
is that think about those numbers now translated to college basketball.
Or you can watch a Zeke Mayo, you can watch
a you know, pickup player on their team and sit
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there and go like, man, he was so good at
South Dakoast State, or he was so good at Wisconsin,
he was so good at Northern Illinois. Why yes, he Well,
it's a higher level of competition and you're playing for
a coach that has a different level of expectation, a
different way of playing. You know, we started the show
by telling you like that, the ways in which both
of these men became Hall of Fame coaches. Well, nobody
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does that any People don't do that anymore. They just don't.
They don't do it anymore. What they don't do is
they don't. You can't do a team of freshmen the
way that John Caliperry did when he was the head
coach at Kentucky. You'd say, well, Duke Scott freshman first.
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I mean they have a unicorn, right, an absolute unicorn
in Cooper Flag. But the other part to it is
not all of Duke's lineup is freshman. You know, yes,
they have three absolute star freshmen. They do, they absolutely do,
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but their entire lineup is not and their best players,
their best player is But they won the ACC championship
game without him, you know, without him. Tyree Proctor is
a junior. He started for three years. He's their point guard.
Is he great?
Speaker 4 (05:38):
No?
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Has he lived up to a one and done expectation?
Speaker 5 (05:42):
No?
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Is he really good?
Speaker 6 (05:43):
Hell?
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Yeah? Caleb Foster is a is a sophomore. He played
high school basketball in southern California. He's played a lot
of hoop. I mean, heck, you even look kind of
like Further down, Mason Gillison only plays fifteen minutes a
game for him, but he's twenty four years old. He
played at Perdue for a natural championship last year. So
it doesn't mean that their whole team is made up
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of freshman Sion James senior. Right, he's been around the
block a couple of times, but the way in which
Cal did it previously, he can't be done anymore. He
can't be done anymore. One he doesn't have the market
cornered on the best and the best two. Too many
of those freshmen are just too young, and you know
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you're playing against twenty four to twenty four five year
old guys. And for Bill self, yeah, he's always had
a pro or two, but he's also had program guys
that have been there for in five years. Maybe he
takes a transfer and a McDonald's all American, but he
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doesn't have all transfers Ami McDonald's all American play. So
the point is that when the when the sport or
when your business changes, Yeah, some are quick to adapt.
But the idea that guys that have been doing it
for thirty years can adapt, I think he's laughed laughable.
Not everybody can. You know, it's probably one of the
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reasons that so many of these older coaches retire. We'll
see what happens with tom Izzo at the end of
the year. You know, tom Izzo has tried to adapt.
Now he hasn't adapted by taking a lot of transfers,
but he's adapted by trying to keep players and build
from within, much the way that Purdue has and they
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nearly won national championship, much the way that UCLA did
a couple of years ago when they when they were
so successful, and two years ago Ucla everyone in their
program had started in UCLA's program and then last year,
they had a down year. This year they went out
and went into the portal, kept a couple of guys,
but then went out and rebuilt into the portal. So
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you have to learn and adjust. But the idea that
here's two guys that have been doing a long time,
make a lot lot of money. Hall of Fame coaches
can't figure it out. Eventually they will and if they
if they don't feel comfortable doing it, they'll retire. They'll
step aside. But the idea that they like, you know,
fire Bill self because they had a disappointing Big twelve
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season and a disappointing early exit in the NCAA tournament,
to me seems laughable. Now, if he was a guy
that had his head in the sands, said we're not
doing it that way. We're not paying guys, we're not like, Okay,
that's that's clearly not gonna work. That's not what he said,
and that's not what he's gonna do. But coaching change
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and coaching different sorts of players and managing players with
agents is just different. Have they always had runners? Yeah,
some of the guys have always had runners. Has there
always been more to coaching than just exiting and knowing
of course there is, of course, but you have to
remember that in an NFL the free agent hit rate
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is thirty three percent, and why should we think that
the rate's any different in the free agency world of
college basketball? And if a bad year is a seven
seed and a first round exit, and an average year
is a Big twelve championship and a great year as
a final four in a national championship, I'm gonna go
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with that guy. But it's not for everybody. And just
like anybody's business, what changed it. It's not one factor.
You guys have read Tipping Point, right music, I know
you've read read Tipping Point, and everyone comes in with
the perception that Tipping Point is about one singular factor
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that causes something to tip. But that's not really when
you read the book, it's not really what it's about.
It's about a couple of different factors. And what changed
college athletics wasn't just ANIL, wasn't just a portal. It's
also COVID because it's extended the careers of so many players,
right like Wisconsin's guy John Tanjie like he's a fifth
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year senior. Ask any basketball player like if after their
senior year was done. It's like, hey, you come back
and play one more year. Do you know how slow
and how easy the game would become? Uh? Colorado State
has a has a. Colorado State right now is beating Memphis.
Colorado State's best player, okay is Nick Clifford. Nee Clifford
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played his first three years at Colorado. He's played his
last two years at Colorado State. He's from Colorado Springs.
So yeah, in his fifth year after doing it for
four other years, he's incredible. He's kind of figured it
out now. Not every guy figures it out that way.
Hunter Dickinson couldn't really figure it out at Kansas, didn't
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seem like he he ever really evolved as a player.
But there's lots of guys who are getting those opportunities.
And it also makes it very difficult to get or
even keep younger players because even if you do get
a freshman and you do play him, he's going to
want a bigger role, and you know, if you play
him in a bigger role, you're probably not gonna win.
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Sports changed. Evolution is here. It's not one point, it's
multiple points, and the older coaches sometimes they'll struggle, But
my guess is they figured it out. They figured out
coming up next in the herd. Oh. By the way,
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I thought this might help you. Here's Grant McCaslin, who's
head coach in Texas Tech. He joined us earlier in
the day when we asked him about the changing world
to college hoops.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
We needed it. And so, whether whether anybody likes it
or not, it feels like this is just what should
have happened at a more rapid taste over time, and
we held on to something that wasn't sustainable until it broke.
And then it just kind of broke everybody in a
fashion that feels like it's it's separated. You know a
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lot of people quickly, and I do know, and you
know this, and I'm thankful that I've been turning over
rosters and teams and that experience of doing that and
not having the continuity gives you a different confidence level
that of what it is that you're looking for in
a short amount of time. And I just think that's
extremely different than Hey, we're going to get this guy
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and he's going to be with us for four years,
and that mentality over time is helpful in some scenarios,
but it just wasn't my story and our story. I
mean I was a part of rosters and I took
you know, junior college to Division two and then was
at Arkansas State.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Then one year later I.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Was at North Texas and then we revamped that roster
and flipped it in two years and had transfers every year.
So I will tell you the biggest thing for me
is really trying to find the quality of a guy
that you want to be around every day, that you
feel like believes in winning. And I know that sounds easy,
but it really it's not.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
It's it's.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Unique to every team of finding that. And I think
the obsession with finding guys that really want to win
in a climate where everything's changing quickly is probably the
most valuable that he can find.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
That was Grant mccaslon, head coach at Texas Tech. He
joined us earlier on in The Herd. Coming up next
here on Fox Sports Radio are Aaron Rodgers and the
Pittsburgh Steelers a good fit, I'll ask former NFLGM Mark Dominic.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
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Speaker 3 (13:41):
Mark Domini is going to join us in about five minutes.
We'll get his pick his brain on the quarterbacks heading
into the NFL Draft, which is at lambeau Field in
Green Bay, and of course on Aaron Rodgers, who's currently
visiting the Pittsburgh Steelers when not he and the Steelers
are a good fit. Before we get to that, though,
let's have a little herd Line News with Ry music.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
No, no, no, turn on the news. This is the
herd Line News.
Speaker 7 (14:10):
Hello Ryan, right, Doug.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
Of course, we have the first round of the college
men's basketball tournament taking away right now, and we have
got some tight ones, some competitive games happening here. We
got nine seed Baylor taken on eight seed Mississippi State.
Baylor with a slim lead coming down to the wire,
looking at a two point lead with a minute nineteen left,
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So that one is very much a tight contest coming
down to the wire.
Speaker 7 (14:39):
There.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
We also have a potential upset watch here. We have
about eight minutes left in the second half Alabama, number
two seed Alabama holding a very two point slim lead
over fifteen seed Robert Morris so Alabama. About eight minutes
left no back up to a four point lead. They
lead sixty four to sixty. We also have an other action.
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Iowa stated with a lead over Lipscumb at halftime comfortably
sixteen point lead, and Colorado State Memphis currently tied fifteen
to fifteen, relatively early in the game.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Still well, Robert Morris. We've seen them up close to
personal and played them twice. They're in the Horizon League.
Speaker 7 (15:21):
So yeah, they are making Alabama earn it.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Well, it's a they're they're just there's I really like
him Wits their point guard. Dickerson's the junior college transfer,
and then Vulgaris is a sophomore. He's from Italy and
he was the conference player of the year. But it's,
you know, a lot of it's matchups, and they Alabama
doesn't really score at the block. They're not like a
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big they're not going to beat you up, and it's
an undersized Robert Morris t But they match up really
well with the with the Tide, matchup really well, and
they've done a good job of running Alabama them off
the three point line. All they gotten twenty three is
up and and made six.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
All right, So there's your tournament update. Four games in action.
Two of them look like they're shaping up. One very
much is coming down to the wire. Robert Morris Alabama
very much looking like it's going to continue that way.
Just another note in the NFL world, As you've pointed out,
reports coming out of Pittsburgh, Aaron Rodgers meeting with the
Pittsburgh Steelers at their facility today. The reports also go
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to note this coming from Adam Schefter and Jerry Doulac,
that no deal in place, no deal expected to be imminent,
just you know, sort of that first date, kind of
starting to feel each other out a little, so keeping
an eye on what's going down in Pittsburgh. All right,
let's turn our attention to the NBA here, Doug, good
news for the Knicks. Jalen Brunson out of a walking
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boot after spraining his ankle against the Lakers back on
March sixth. Now the hope is he will be able
to return for maybe a couple of tune up games
at the end of the regular season to start getting
things ready for the playoffs. Now, Colin has been on this.
He likes a lot about this next team, but he
still thinks they're like one big move, like one true
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superstar away from being serious title contenders. How do you
feel about what this next team is currently?
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Probably those superstars are hard to find and the right
fit is hard to find. But again, I don't think
that's unreasonable that that when you have a you know, like,
if Jalen Brunson is your best player, your leading scorer,
then you're probably not gonna win an NBA title. But
if he's your second, your second best player, your second
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leading scorer, then then you think, all right, there's a
ceiling there. The only asterisk I could put by it is, hey,
do we really think the Celtics can win without persingers?
Maybe Al Horford in the regular season appears to be
good enough, but will he fade when you get deep
into the postseason? I think Collins generally right, I don't
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know a thing is superstar per se, but I do
think that as much as I I like the construction
of it. Right, you get Karl Anthony Towns, he's their
best three point shooter. Your best player in the paint
is actually your point guard, so that that's really hard
to guard. Those pieces fit together, but it does feel
like they may be one piece away. It doesn't mean
you can't win it though, because if other teams have
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injuries or they may be one piece away as well.
Speaker 7 (18:25):
How do you think the Knicks stack up?
Speaker 5 (18:27):
Obviously, the Cavaliers have just had an absolutely insane regular
season run here, how do you see them stacking up
as sort of that second or third best team as
most people you know, I know you have your questions
there about the Celtics. Most people would say Celtics still
probably the favorites in the East.
Speaker 7 (18:42):
How do you see the Knicks versus.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
The It would probably be Celtics Cavs and then and
then Knicks. That's that's the one, two three.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
Okay, We're we're gonna wrap up with this here. Dougna
gonna pivot a little, but I think you'll you'll see
where I'm going with this. We are obviously in the
opening round of March Madness. But the United States men's
national team was in action last night against Panama in
the semis of the Nation's League, and they suffered another
shocking loss. Now here's former national team member and Fox
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Sports analyst Alexi Lawless talking about the results.
Speaker 6 (19:16):
This is not good enough, and Mauricio Pochettino's job is
to make us believe that something different is there, that
something new is there, that we are going to see
something that we haven't seen before. And guess what, my friends,
we've seen that before. We do not want to see
it again.
Speaker 8 (19:36):
Now.
Speaker 5 (19:37):
I just want to point this out for the audience. Obviously,
now I work here with Colin Cowherd, but Doug and
I go back several years. I used to be Doug's
producer for a long time. And Doug, you have been
on this before anyone else. You've always said soccer is
the sport your entire life. People have promised is the
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future is coming, and they have just never delivered on
that promise. And here's another disappointing result, despite them going
out doing this big, wide ranging international search to bring
in a new manager, and another disappointing result.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Yeah, I mean, we keep cycling through them that the
expression is my entire life, soccer has been the sport
of the future, Like how Nod told me how long
into the future it will be. The other point is,
and again I didn't watch. I'm not a great gauge
for it. We do keep blaming every coach is tactics.
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Every American coach loses, does perform their tactics must somehow
be off at some point. We might want to admit
until I didn't happen when I was in high school.
It doesn't happen now until the best athletes at your
high school play soccer. We're always always going to have
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results like this, and that's why music with the new.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
Herd line News.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
He sped its entire professional life in the National Football League,
most notably as the GM of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
He's Mark Dominick. He joins us now in the Herd
here on Fox Sports Radio. Mark Aaron Rodgers is in
Pittsburgh at the facility. Uh, let's start. How good a
fit do you think that is?
Speaker 5 (21:25):
So?
Speaker 9 (21:26):
I think, ay, Doug, it's happy to be hones with you,
and I do think that it's a really good fit.
I thought that's where he should go in the first
place when I first heard you know that the opportunities
of the different spots really down to the Giants and
the Steelers. I just feel like the Steelers are better
overall football team right now, certainly a very talented defense
and running back away with Jalen Warrens where I think
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you could be a explosive offense. So I think you know,
a coach, it's you never had a losing season in
a tough division, but in a division where you got
you can go beat try to beat the Cowboys, the
Commanders and the Eagles, or you try to go beat
the Ravens, you know, obviously the Bengals and the Browns.
I like his chances in Pittsburgh to have a better shot.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Okay, if he says no, if he doesn't, if he
doesn't take the deal today, uh what then well, I.
Speaker 9 (22:16):
Think he just had to be patient. I think that's
where it's at right now with him. He's certainly not
in any interest, you know, of making a quick decision.
But you know, I don't like what Aaron's doing. I
think he should. He's had months now to think about
whether he wants to play football again, you know, and
then he's also had, you know, weeks to know that
these are the teams that are very much interested in him,
and he's really down to two teams or he wants
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to retire. I mean, Doug, I don't know what what
would be the reasoning. I know that you can sit
there and play the leverage game. But the reality is,
if Aaron wants to win, find your team, go be
friends with their team. I mean, go, go, go make
the statement like this is the team you want to
be part of, instead of, you know, walling around or
trying to maybe get another two million dollars. It shouldn't
be about the money at this point for Aaron Rodgers, clearly,
with the amount of money he's made, it should be
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what he takes the best fit. Maybe teams are making
a great argument, but I think that you know, if
you go to bed and you should know what you
want to do. It's disappointing to me that would take
this long for Aaron unless he's really considering retirement.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Yeah, it's it's a it's a weird one, but I think, yeah,
some would say Aaron could be a bit of a
bit of a bit of a weird one. Mark Dominic's
joining us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox
Sports Radio. Most surprising move in free agency was which move? Yeah?
Speaker 9 (23:28):
I think for me it might be Daniel Jones going
to the Colts. And the reason why I called surprising
this I really felt like Daniel Jones should take the
Sam Darnold approach and take one year off and go
into a system that he's very comfortable in that he
can learn like stay in Minnesota, bjj's backup, learned the
system under Kevin O'Connell, and see if there's an opportunity
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that opens up instead of rushing into another spot where yes,
you could become the starter, but you're learning another system
may not be as a good fit. It may not
be widely viewed the same type of fit as you
know obviously the Shanahan's slash Vikings offense. And so I
thought that that was when we're I don't know if
they were looking for Daniel Jones long term. I was thinking,
seems like a short term decision get the fourteen million,
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when I think they should have looked at that as
more of a longer term decision. And I will say,
Aaron Bean and Pittsburgh is certainly you know that's a
positive outcome that has potential today.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Okay, let's let's discuss the kind of quarterback shuffle Gino
Smith has played for Pete Carroll before, right and kind
of stabilize them. And Sam Donald goes from Minnesota to Seattle.
Which one of those do you like best.
Speaker 9 (24:41):
I like Sam Donald going to Seattle, and the reason
why is I feel like there's potential in Sam Donald
to be better. And yet I love the structure of
the deal that John Schneidan the Seahawks had where if
it doesn't work out, it's one and done, move on
and find the next quarterback. And it doesn't stop Seattle
from drafting a quarterback, and it really doesn't stop the
raidership doing more. But I feel like, you know, I'm
going to lean towards John Schneider as a GM to say,
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I feel like Genal Smith may not be where he
used to be or what he can be. And Pete
Carroll hasn't been there for a year to see the
difference of what Genal Smith has been or what he's
able to do on the Packtice field. So that makes
me a little bit more nervous for Geno Smith. I
feel like for the Raiders you're getting a one to
two year rental where I think the Seahawks are saying, hey,
can we see if this could be the answer to
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the future.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
I'm interested in the Rams. You know it was you know,
supposedly you had you know, Matt Stafford was on the
on the trade block. Right, hey man, Now Matt Stafford's back,
they go out of talented wide receiver. Does does that work? Right?
It does? Does does the idea of almost leveraging Matt
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Stafford to come back at the rate they want? Does
that work for the Rams in this upcoming season?
Speaker 9 (25:53):
I think it does. I think the Rams are a
pretty good spot right now, able to keep some important
players on that offensive line together. Certainly, Matt Stafford's a
huge part with Kukinnakua. Now they have, you know, one
two punch a wide receiver that's very difficult to deal with.
And then you've still got to draft in front of
you where you've got a chance to maybe add another
tight end or add some more players on the defense.
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This is a really great young defense and that's exciting.
It's got to be very exciting for them organization. So
I like what the Rams did, you know. I'm glad
that Stafford was able to stay there. It certainly puts
them into play. I know the forty nine ers are
right now the leading favorite to win the West, but
I feel like it should be the Rams.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Cincinnati found a way to find the money to bring
all of their guys back right, But they still don't
have a defense, right, and I don't know how much
more money they have to spend. Is this a winning
strategy from Cincinnati.
Speaker 9 (26:47):
I think they played it very well. You know, everybody
understands how hard it is to negotiate against Cincinnati. That's
very clear across the board. They use the franchise tag
effectively on P Higgins and it helps. I T Higgins
wanted to stay. But when you look at T Higgins
for your deal that's under thirty million a year, you know,
I think in the market, if he goes out the market,
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I think he's at thirty five. So you know, the
Bengals have got a discount on T Higgins and paid
the premium on Jamar Chase because they've played it all
the way through. But I like what the Bengals did,
and I think they're still room to figure out Trey
Hendrickson as well. Look, they're gonna have to really draft
call as you know, Doug, and that's a big part
of Chase Browns that you're going into your three on
a rookie deal. That's really helpful. So it's those kind
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of deals like that they're going to make them be
able to work through this. But they've got to hit
draft picks. Now, that's the only way when you pay
three guys over a half a billion dollars between the
three of them, you've got to find shortcuns or the
draftable fixtures that can pulug and play, you know, week
one in the National Football League.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
All Right, the the Philadelphia Egos have lost a good
amount in free see. Some they prepare for, some they
necessarily have not. What's the likelihood of them being at
the top of the NFL going forward in the next year.
Considering you win a champion, you win a Super Bowl,
and you know everybody wants a piece of some of
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your players.
Speaker 9 (28:10):
Yeah, I mean I think you know, you look offensively,
you know, with Saquon with the receiving corps, with the
offensive line, you got to feel pretty good. There's players
on that defensive side where you lose a branding her
grand But there's a Jalx Jalinx Hunt there to the
defensive lineman who's uber talented and just the first year player.
But when you watch him, you get very excited about
what he's going to bring. And I know how he
sees that and knows he's got some players down the
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sunt line that are going to be able to step
up and step through. So I think that the Eagles
are certainly every bit of reason to be in contention.
They've they've been doing it for years now, and I
think that this next year should be the same for them.
I'm I'm very positive. Now if you think of what
they did with the secondary and how young that's becoming now, uh,
you know, it's actually a very exciting thing to them.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Uh. Okay, the commanders at Deebo Samuel, now, I know
they can they can go and add some pieces because
you're already team and you have a quarterback who is
on a rookie deal for the next couple of years.
But is Deebo the right guy?
Speaker 9 (29:07):
I think he's a really good fit for them. I
think that because of the way he can run after
the catch. He's such a powerful player. You know, I
think it'll be fine because there's not as many balls
to go around. To me, yes, Washington Stain has talented
players too, But when you think about where the forty
nine ers were with Brandon Aiyuk, Ricky Piersall, we had
Deebo Samuel and we have George Kittle. We have McCaffery.
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It's like, where's the balls go? And Deebo's a little
bit more of a devo like that, and some of
these receivers are. I think he'll see more touches in Washington,
which will be a better fit for him. He just
got to stay on the field, stay healthy. That's the
only thing I've ever worried about with Deebo Samuels. Can
he put seventeen games together? Hopefully he can, and for
the Commanders if he does, he will certainly be a
thousand yard receivers for them.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Doug got Lip Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Mark
Dominic is our guest as we get ready for the
upcoming NFL Draft. He's a former general manager of the
Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Patriots really aggressive in the free agent world.
Some of it is like, look, they just don't have
good enough players. Did you like who they were aggressive?
Speaker 9 (30:03):
And going after I did, I thought they did a
good I mean, certainly, it's your point. They're probably the
most aggressive, but they also had probably the most room
and they have the most holes on their rosters, so
you know, it's a blend. They got some really good
quality players. I think in free agency they're going to
plug and play guys that Rabel nose. They even brought
in guys that Rabel's had before, like a Jack Gibbons
who's being a very good player when he's on the field.
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So I found some value players too. So I think
the Patriots now is just going to be focused towards
that draft. But I think they've got to feel like,
at least they don't feel desperate in the draft, right Doug.
I mean that's a hard place to be. I was
in that spot in two thousand and nine as the
GM of the Bucks when we basically cut the team
from all the leadership, and it made for a very
stressful draft because you had so many needs on a
football team that you know it was it was hard
(30:46):
to get your board fully set.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Mark. Last thing, it feels like a lot of these
quarterbacks are like kind of placeholders, right, I mean in
with the Jets is one. I think Geno feels like one.
I know it's pretty good money. With the Raiders, it
feels like a lot of them are like, hey, we're
going to draft a guy, but not first round, second
(31:14):
day probably. What does that mean for the quarterback market specifically?
Jackson Dart and then Shape or Sanders after cam Worton.
Speaker 9 (31:26):
Yeah, so I feel like that's really what's going on.
When I feel the same way you do, Doug, I
feel like there's some placeholders out there or the Jets
are you know, willing to you know, it's still baffling
to me a little bit of the Jets put that
much money into justin fields. But you know, they've still
got the draft in front and they'll see what they
want to do or can do. It's a huge news
(31:46):
for Jalen Milroe. I think it's huge news for Quinn yours.
I think those guys make sure that they're at least
second round picks now based off their pro DA's and
the way they performed at the combiner through. So those
two guys I think certainly go second round now and
may be able to sneak a little bit higher depending
one of his late round teams that wants to go
and just take a quarterback. I think for Jackson Dart
he's a first rounder. I think he's pushing himself up
(32:07):
to board. I still feel like sha Door Sanders is
a first round quarterback, but cam Ward's is the number
one pick in the draft. Cluss, you can tell by
what the Titans did. Nothing. They didn't bring They didn't
bring in Russell Wilson, they didn't bring in any other quarterbacks.
They have done nothing at the quarterback position except tell
you they are taking cam Ward number one. Overall, it's
not even a secret. I think it's a fact.
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themselves some from Robert Morris. All of the games in
the NCAA Tournament updated as the day goes on here
on Fox Sports Radio and again News of the day
(33:54):
is Aaron Rodgers is in Pittsburgh at the Steelers facility.
No idea whether or not a deal will be proposed
or consummated today, but I mean like, at some point, dude,
just if you want to play football, play for the
Steelers and let's go that would I don't know, as
a football fan, wouldn't that be cool? I mean, look,
(34:15):
maybe if you're a Browns or a Bengals or a
Ravens fan, you're like, no, no, no, no, no no. I don't
want them to finally have a quarterback something they haven't
had in years. But wouldn't that be cool? Wouldn't that
be cool? You know? I don't think there are monumental
upsets yesterday, right like Drake winning, not monumental. McNee State
(34:35):
who hung on to beat Clemson by two not a
monumental Upstate it is if you just look at the
name McNee State, but they've been good for a couple
of years now and most people know a ton of
an il and uh, I think Clemson. Some of that
was matchups and some of that is Clemson not as
(34:57):
good as a record, part of it is coming from
the Ace, but still a big upset, and McNee State
being Clemson is a big win. I don't know. I
we put together list in the Best for Last, and
I think I think it'll offer up some really good debate.
Let's get to the Best for Last.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
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mean we're phoning it in. Nope, we grind the very
last segment. It's time for best for last.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Doug gottliebe in for Colin the Herd rolls on here
on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, let's get to our top
five upsets that come to my mind on the first
weekend of the NCAA tournament. Let's start with a little
number five, as do you remember when Tom Brennan and
(35:47):
the Vermont Catamounts did this?
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Dan's Jennet.
Speaker 8 (35:53):
VM Let me tell you once again comes down to
fund amount on.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Got this Sorrty hit that one from the parking lot. Yeah. TJ. Sarantine,
who by the way now is an assistant coach at
Brown hit a parking lot three as Vermont and my
boy Tom Brandan got to win. That was in two
thousand and five. Two thousand and five, we'll go back
(36:20):
to two thousand and five upcoming, speaking of current assistant coaches.
Who was once an NCAA tournament hero. This was in
twenty ten when Kansas took on Northern Iowa. Northern Iowa's
going to have to shoot it before the pashall talk runs.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Out, oho olm for kas A three. You can't be
serious with that.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
Show al for Rouke Manesh, who very well could be
a head coach in the next couple of weeks here
as Colorado State continues to impress after winning the Mountain
West Conference Tournament championship. That was back when he was
at Northern Iowa playing for Ben Jacobson, and they took
down Bill self. Here's here's one that you may remember.
(37:11):
A player who came onto the scene with an unbelievable
NCAA tournament was C. J. McCullum when he played for Lehigh.
Speaker 7 (37:18):
It's one thing in the fifteen over too.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
It had happened in eleven years, but then a factor
in that it's Duke.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Was a n.
Speaker 6 (37:28):
What you have here, folks, one of the all time supers.
Speaker 10 (37:34):
Lehigh defeats took in the NCAA basketball tournament.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
Ye at Lehigh and C. J. McCullum the Moundahawks, but
they used to be known as the Engineers a long
time ago. The Moundhawks take down the Blue Devils. All right,
let's go back to that two thousand and five, speaking
of Kansas, right, these were some of the early years
of Bill self at KU and it was always a
be when ye was Bradley one year it was Bucknell.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
The Inenvound long past.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
But as and for me obviously, coaching at a place
where this place is most known for one game You're
gonna watch Duke play today kan Kinople. His uncle was
(38:25):
once a star at Green Bay before playing in the NBA.
Jeff Norgard, Well, we'll hear this and celebrate somewhere in
the Fox Valley as Green Bay once ended Jason Kidd's
college career. A right, green Bay beat Cal. I think
that game was at Weaver State, right, Think about that? Like,
(38:46):
would there ever be an NCAA tournament site in Weber, Utah? Ever? Again,
it was in nineteen ninety four. Dick Bennett was the coach.
A lot of people think Tony Bennett was the point guard.
He was not. Not when they won, when they won
their NCAA tournament game, that was the Jeff Norgard led team.
What I miss h Ry music? What what upset? Do
(39:08):
you remember the most when you think back? And obviously
you got a lot younger than that, but and you look,
you can pick from a million. I mean, I think
UNBC is the one that people remember the most.
Speaker 5 (39:16):
Sure, Yeah, Peters tried to try to roll back the
clock a little bit more.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
Try to roll back the clock a little bit, a
little bit more what one jumps out to your in
your mind?
Speaker 7 (39:25):
Yeah, I mean, I definitely remember that.
Speaker 5 (39:29):
Upset that you referenced already with Northern Iowa and Kansas.
That one just sticks out in my mind so much.
And then, you know, this doesn't fall in the line
of you know, major early round upsets, but I remember
that undefeated Kentucky team with Karl Anthony Towns and when
(39:50):
they ended up losing to Wisconsin. Again, not like a
historic upset, but just in terms of all time great
teams that you know, sort of didn't end up going
on all the way to win the title, those would
be two that come to my mind.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Yeah, yeah, you know, like we don't even look at
at you know, like you know, we talked about George
Mason VCU obviously, Butler the first time around with nearly
won the national championship. That was a that was a
preseason top ten team. But the second time around that
was that was really surprised they lost Sheldon Mack, when
(40:24):
they lost Gordon Hayward and that that team wasn't no
one thought that was a national championship game.
Speaker 5 (40:30):
Oh you know, another one, another one that sticks out
was I think it was Jabbari Parker right when they
lost some Mercer, that duke team.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
Yeah, I remember Mercer was dancing, right, remember that everybody
they kept they still played the Mercer dancing video everywhere
you go. Yeah, right, anytime you want. That was a
most known probably for the dancing more so than anybody else.
Speaker 5 (40:51):
Yeah, that was a that was an early round one
where I remember thinking, wow, that was a very shocking result.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
Yeah. I love the people who massively over react and
tear up their brackets, you know, like, oh my bracket
is my son. Hayes was so better yesterday. You know,
he he had Clemson going far. Those he just he's
always like Clemson's like Clemson football a little bit more
in Clemson basketball. He's like, Man, I watched Clemson this year.
They're good, They're in the ACC. I was like, all right,
(41:23):
but they just fell behind. It really could make a
shot and McNeese was too too quick and too athletic
for him. Uh yeah, I mean I think you can
go through I in Oakland last year taking down Kentucky.
That one is one that kind of jumps out in
in in anyone's kind of memory in terms of recency bias,
because that was the last game that John Caliberry kind
of weird, right, last game John Caliperry ever coached at Kentucky,
(41:47):
they got beat by Greg Campy and Oakland. That was
also a super senior, Right, So you still have some
things that that correlate, but you think of it, it
is one of those deals where you can go through
any one of these programs and Buffalo wasn't that Buffalo
beat Arizona and Buffalo was really good. That was back
when Nate Oates is now in Alabama. I think it
(42:09):
was his last win at Buffalo. They dominated Arizona. I
mean I think was that thing was just such a mismatch.
It was a stunner how good they were in comparison
to Arizona. I believe that was Sean Miller's last game
as head coach at Arizona, and some people think Sean
Miller will be head coach of Texas. All right, so look,
you got the rest of the second second day of
(42:30):
the first round the NCA Tournament. Then you have rounds
round two upcoming this weekend, so Colin will be back
to recap that on Monday. Plus we'll find out well
Aaron Rodgers, I mean remember that State Farm commercial, right,
a Ray Rodgers. Like, what is Aaron Rodgers doing here?
He'll be in everything if he does, in fact agree
(42:50):
to go to Pittsburgh Steelers. But like, look at you
if you want to play football, and the Pittsburgh Steelers
have two awesome wide receivers and a really good defense, Like,
what are we doing? Right? What are we doing? So
I'm not foreshadowing anything, I have no knowledge of it,
but it would very much track if Aaron Rodgers today
(43:11):
gets on everybody's bottom line by agreeing to be with
the Pittsburgh Steelers. You'll find out here on Fox Sports
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What up? Welcome in. This is the Hurt. Whoever we
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your day. Thanks so much. I'm Doug Gottlieb in for
Colin Cowherd and for the next hour, I wanted Doc's sports.
When you NSAA tournament's going on, Muncher Robert Morris keep
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it close here with with Alabama, Bobby moe is we're
in the same league. It's the head coach of Green Bay.
Robert Morris won our league and won our conference tournament
championship as well. And they're given they're given alabamack of
a game. Baylor up eight on Mississippi State and Iowa
(01:14):
State up but twelve on Lipscomb Lipskim Lipscomb is just
another school in Nashville. Nashville has Belmont Lipscomb and of course,
Vanderbilt New Alabama is up forty nine forty four on
Robert Morris the Colonials. Colonials last night if you're watching,
(01:38):
Arkansas came from behind, they had to lead, then Kansas
came back, had a lead to their own, and Arkansas
ends up taking down Kansas. The Jayhawks lose the first round,
since it was like two thousand and six, for the
first time they lost in the last time they lost
in the first round. You know, it's always interesting on
people's for a long time. They would, you know, talked
(02:01):
about Bill self and losing early in the tournament, like
that's been nearly twenty years. And this was a weird bunch,
right seven seed, even though he had a couple of
fifth year seniors. They end up losing to John Caliperi
and I do get it. I heard we were running
a promo where Ben Maller, who of course does our
(02:23):
overnights at Fox Sports Radios, said, you know, he thinks
that Kansas should should make a change at coach, and
I mean, I think it's hysterical, respectfully, Yeah, Ben, that's
the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of my life. Now,
if Bill decides, amen, I don't want to do it anymore.
(02:44):
I'm just I'm kind of fried. I need a break
by all means. But yeah, it's like four years ago
he won national championship. They won, I don't know it
was twelve thirteen, big twelve titles in a row. Yeah. No,
at least game hasn't passed him by. Game's changed, you know,
roster compositions changed. Now. I'm of the belief that it
(03:08):
just you know, takes guys in a while a year
to figure it out, because yesterday he was throwing out
a team at times that had four transfers on the court,
four four and you know, for you can tell me
all you want about about how much they paid. But
(03:30):
if we just use the NFL as our guide, NFL's
our guide, the hit rate on free agents in the
NFL is thirty three percent. So if in the National
Football League, where they do a great job of scouting,
right in the league, I mean in the actual league. Remember,
like like, the hit rate for free agents is thirty
(03:51):
three percent. Hit rate for first round draft picks is
fifty percent. Now that's to the level of expectations based
upon where they're drafted, to level of expectations based upon
or they're signed as a free agent. But the point
is that think about those numbers now translated to college basketball.
Or you can watch a Zeke Mayo, you can watch
a you know, pickup player on their team and sit
(04:13):
there and go like, man, he was so good at
South Dakoast State, or he was so good at Wisconsin,
he was so good at Northern Illinois. Why yes, he Well,
it's a higher level of competition and you're playing for
a coach that has a different level of expectation, a
different way of playing. You know, we started the show
by telling you like that, the ways in which both
of these men became Hall of Fame coaches. Well, nobody
(04:36):
does that any People don't do that anymore. They just don't.
They don't do it anymore. What they don't do is
they don't. You can't do a team of freshmen the
way that John Caliperry did when he was the head
coach at Kentucky. You'd say, well, Duke Scott freshman first.
(05:00):
I mean they have a unicorn, right, an absolute unicorn
in Cooper Flag. But the other part to it is
not all of Duke's lineup is freshman. You know, yes,
they have three absolute star freshmen. They do, they absolutely do,
(05:20):
but their entire lineup is not and their best players,
their best player is But they won the ACC championship
game without him, you know, without him. Tyree Proctor is
a junior. He started for three years. He's their point guard.
Is he great?
Speaker 4 (05:38):
No?
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Has he lived up to a one and done expectation?
Speaker 5 (05:42):
No?
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Is he really good?
Speaker 6 (05:43):
Hell?
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Yeah? Caleb Foster is a is a sophomore. He played
high school basketball in southern California. He's played a lot
of hoop. I mean, heck, you even look kind of
like Further down, Mason Gillison only plays fifteen minutes a
game for him, but he's twenty four years old. He
played at Perdue for a natural championship last year. So
it doesn't mean that their whole team is made up
(06:05):
of freshman Sion James senior. Right, he's been around the
block a couple of times, but the way in which
Cal did it previously, he can't be done anymore. He
can't be done anymore. One he doesn't have the market
cornered on the best and the best two. Too many
of those freshmen are just too young, and you know
(06:28):
you're playing against twenty four to twenty four five year
old guys. And for Bill self, yeah, he's always had
a pro or two, but he's also had program guys
that have been there for in five years. Maybe he
takes a transfer and a McDonald's all American, but he
(06:48):
doesn't have all transfers Ami McDonald's all American play. So
the point is that when the when the sport or
when your business changes, Yeah, some are quick to adapt.
But the idea that guys that have been doing it
for thirty years can adapt, I think he's laughed laughable.
Not everybody can. You know, it's probably one of the
(07:11):
reasons that so many of these older coaches retire. We'll
see what happens with tom Izzo at the end of
the year. You know, tom Izzo has tried to adapt.
Now he hasn't adapted by taking a lot of transfers,
but he's adapted by trying to keep players and build
from within, much the way that Purdue has and they
(07:33):
nearly won national championship, much the way that UCLA did
a couple of years ago when they when they were
so successful, and two years ago Ucla everyone in their
program had started in UCLA's program and then last year,
they had a down year. This year they went out
and went into the portal, kept a couple of guys,
but then went out and rebuilt into the portal. So
(07:54):
you have to learn and adjust. But the idea that
here's two guys that have been doing a long time,
make a lot lot of money. Hall of Fame coaches
can't figure it out. Eventually they will and if they
if they don't feel comfortable doing it, they'll retire. They'll
step aside. But the idea that they like, you know,
fire Bill self because they had a disappointing Big twelve
(08:16):
season and a disappointing early exit in the NCAA tournament,
to me seems laughable. Now, if he was a guy
that had his head in the sands, said we're not
doing it that way. We're not paying guys, we're not like, Okay,
that's that's clearly not gonna work. That's not what he said,
and that's not what he's gonna do. But coaching change
(08:37):
and coaching different sorts of players and managing players with
agents is just different. Have they always had runners? Yeah,
some of the guys have always had runners. Has there
always been more to coaching than just exiting and knowing
of course there is, of course, but you have to
remember that in an NFL the free agent hit rate
(08:59):
is thirty three percent, and why should we think that
the rate's any different in the free agency world of
college basketball? And if a bad year is a seven
seed and a first round exit, and an average year
is a Big twelve championship and a great year as
a final four in a national championship, I'm gonna go
(09:20):
with that guy. But it's not for everybody. And just
like anybody's business, what changed it. It's not one factor.
You guys have read Tipping Point, right music, I know
you've read read Tipping Point, and everyone comes in with
the perception that Tipping Point is about one singular factor
(09:42):
that causes something to tip. But that's not really when
you read the book, it's not really what it's about.
It's about a couple of different factors. And what changed
college athletics wasn't just ANIL, wasn't just a portal. It's
also COVID because it's extended the careers of so many players,
right like Wisconsin's guy John Tanjie like he's a fifth
(10:06):
year senior. Ask any basketball player like if after their
senior year was done. It's like, hey, you come back
and play one more year. Do you know how slow
and how easy the game would become? Uh? Colorado State
has a has a. Colorado State right now is beating Memphis.
Colorado State's best player, okay is Nick Clifford. Nee Clifford
(10:28):
played his first three years at Colorado. He's played his
last two years at Colorado State. He's from Colorado Springs.
So yeah, in his fifth year after doing it for
four other years, he's incredible. He's kind of figured it
out now. Not every guy figures it out that way.
Hunter Dickinson couldn't really figure it out at Kansas, didn't
(10:49):
seem like he he ever really evolved as a player.
But there's lots of guys who are getting those opportunities.
And it also makes it very difficult to get or
even keep younger players because even if you do get
a freshman and you do play him, he's going to
want a bigger role, and you know, if you play
him in a bigger role, you're probably not gonna win.
(11:11):
Sports changed. Evolution is here. It's not one point, it's
multiple points, and the older coaches sometimes they'll struggle, But
my guess is they figured it out. They figured out
coming up next in the herd. Oh. By the way,
(11:31):
I thought this might help you. Here's Grant McCaslin, who's
head coach in Texas Tech. He joined us earlier in
the day when we asked him about the changing world
to college hoops.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
We needed it. And so, whether whether anybody likes it
or not, it feels like this is just what should
have happened at a more rapid taste over time, and
we held on to something that wasn't sustainable until it broke.
And then it just kind of broke everybody in a
fashion that feels like it's it's separated. You know a
(12:02):
lot of people quickly, and I do know, and you
know this, and I'm thankful that I've been turning over
rosters and teams and that experience of doing that and
not having the continuity gives you a different confidence level
that of what it is that you're looking for in
a short amount of time. And I just think that's
extremely different than Hey, we're going to get this guy
(12:25):
and he's going to be with us for four years,
and that mentality over time is helpful in some scenarios,
but it just wasn't my story and our story. I
mean I was a part of rosters and I took
you know, junior college to Division two and then was
at Arkansas State.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Then one year later I.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Was at North Texas and then we revamped that roster
and flipped it in two years and had transfers every year.
So I will tell you the biggest thing for me
is really trying to find the quality of a guy
that you want to be around every day, that you
feel like believes in winning. And I know that sounds easy,
but it really it's not.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
It's it's.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Unique to every team of finding that. And I think
the obsession with finding guys that really want to win
in a climate where everything's changing quickly is probably the
most valuable that he can find.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
That was Grant mccaslon, head coach at Texas Tech. He
joined us earlier on in The Herd. Coming up next
here on Fox Sports Radio are Aaron Rodgers and the
Pittsburgh Steelers a good fit, I'll ask former NFLGM Mark Dominic.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Next one more Herd. The Herd streams twenty four hours
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Search Herd to listen. Live or on demand whenever you like.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Mark Domini is going to join us in about five minutes.
We'll get his pick his brain on the quarterbacks heading
into the NFL Draft, which is at lambeau Field in
Green Bay, and of course on Aaron Rodgers, who's currently
visiting the Pittsburgh Steelers when not he and the Steelers
are a good fit. Before we get to that, though,
let's have a little herd Line News with Ry music.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
No, no, no, turn on the news. This is the
herd Line News.
Speaker 7 (14:10):
Hello Ryan, right, Doug.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
Of course, we have the first round of the college
men's basketball tournament taking away right now, and we have
got some tight ones, some competitive games happening here. We
got nine seed Baylor taken on eight seed Mississippi State.
Baylor with a slim lead coming down to the wire,
looking at a two point lead with a minute nineteen left,
(14:34):
So that one is very much a tight contest coming
down to the wire.
Speaker 7 (14:39):
There.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
We also have a potential upset watch here. We have
about eight minutes left in the second half Alabama, number
two seed Alabama holding a very two point slim lead
over fifteen seed Robert Morris so Alabama. About eight minutes
left no back up to a four point lead. They
lead sixty four to sixty. We also have an other action.
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Iowa stated with a lead over Lipscumb at halftime comfortably
sixteen point lead, and Colorado State Memphis currently tied fifteen
to fifteen, relatively early in the game.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Still well, Robert Morris. We've seen them up close to
personal and played them twice. They're in the Horizon League.
Speaker 7 (15:21):
So yeah, they are making Alabama earn it.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Well, it's a they're they're just there's I really like
him Wits their point guard. Dickerson's the junior college transfer,
and then Vulgaris is a sophomore. He's from Italy and
he was the conference player of the year. But it's,
you know, a lot of it's matchups, and they Alabama
doesn't really score at the block. They're not like a
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big they're not going to beat you up, and it's
an undersized Robert Morris t But they match up really
well with the with the Tide, matchup really well, and
they've done a good job of running Alabama them off
the three point line. All they gotten twenty three is
up and and made six.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
All right, So there's your tournament update. Four games in action.
Two of them look like they're shaping up. One very
much is coming down to the wire. Robert Morris Alabama
very much looking like it's going to continue that way.
Just another note in the NFL world, As you've pointed out,
reports coming out of Pittsburgh, Aaron Rodgers meeting with the
Pittsburgh Steelers at their facility today. The reports also go
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to note this coming from Adam Schefter and Jerry Doulac,
that no deal in place, no deal expected to be imminent,
just you know, sort of that first date, kind of
starting to feel each other out a little, so keeping
an eye on what's going down in Pittsburgh. All right,
let's turn our attention to the NBA here, Doug, good
news for the Knicks. Jalen Brunson out of a walking
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boot after spraining his ankle against the Lakers back on
March sixth. Now the hope is he will be able
to return for maybe a couple of tune up games
at the end of the regular season to start getting
things ready for the playoffs. Now, Colin has been on this.
He likes a lot about this next team, but he
still thinks they're like one big move, like one true
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superstar away from being serious title contenders. How do you
feel about what this next team is currently?
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Probably those superstars are hard to find and the right
fit is hard to find. But again, I don't think
that's unreasonable that that when you have a you know, like,
if Jalen Brunson is your best player, your leading scorer,
then you're probably not gonna win an NBA title. But
if he's your second, your second best player, your second
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leading scorer, then then you think, all right, there's a
ceiling there. The only asterisk I could put by it is, hey,
do we really think the Celtics can win without persingers?
Maybe Al Horford in the regular season appears to be
good enough, but will he fade when you get deep
into the postseason? I think Collins generally right, I don't
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know a thing is superstar per se, but I do
think that as much as I I like the construction
of it. Right, you get Karl Anthony Towns, he's their
best three point shooter. Your best player in the paint
is actually your point guard, so that that's really hard
to guard. Those pieces fit together, but it does feel
like they may be one piece away. It doesn't mean
you can't win it though, because if other teams have
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injuries or they may be one piece away as well.
Speaker 7 (18:25):
How do you think the Knicks stack up?
Speaker 5 (18:27):
Obviously, the Cavaliers have just had an absolutely insane regular
season run here, how do you see them stacking up
as sort of that second or third best team as
most people you know, I know you have your questions
there about the Celtics. Most people would say Celtics still
probably the favorites in the East.
Speaker 7 (18:42):
How do you see the Knicks versus.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
The It would probably be Celtics Cavs and then and
then Knicks. That's that's the one, two three.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
Okay, We're we're gonna wrap up with this here. Dougna
gonna pivot a little, but I think you'll you'll see
where I'm going with this. We are obviously in the
opening round of March Madness. But the United States men's
national team was in action last night against Panama in
the semis of the Nation's League, and they suffered another
shocking loss. Now here's former national team member and Fox
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Sports analyst Alexi Lawless talking about the results.
Speaker 6 (19:16):
This is not good enough, and Mauricio Pochettino's job is
to make us believe that something different is there, that
something new is there, that we are going to see
something that we haven't seen before. And guess what, my friends,
we've seen that before. We do not want to see
it again.
Speaker 8 (19:36):
Now.
Speaker 5 (19:37):
I just want to point this out for the audience. Obviously,
now I work here with Colin Cowherd, but Doug and
I go back several years. I used to be Doug's
producer for a long time. And Doug, you have been
on this before anyone else. You've always said soccer is
the sport your entire life. People have promised is the
(19:59):
future is coming, and they have just never delivered on
that promise. And here's another disappointing result, despite them going
out doing this big, wide ranging international search to bring
in a new manager, and another disappointing result.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Yeah, I mean, we keep cycling through them that the
expression is my entire life, soccer has been the sport
of the future, Like how Nod told me how long
into the future it will be. The other point is,
and again I didn't watch. I'm not a great gauge
for it. We do keep blaming every coach is tactics.
(20:37):
Every American coach loses, does perform their tactics must somehow
be off at some point. We might want to admit
until I didn't happen when I was in high school.
It doesn't happen now until the best athletes at your
high school play soccer. We're always always going to have
(20:57):
results like this, and that's why music with the new.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
Herd line News.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
He sped its entire professional life in the National Football League,
most notably as the GM of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
He's Mark Dominick. He joins us now in the Herd
here on Fox Sports Radio. Mark Aaron Rodgers is in
Pittsburgh at the facility. Uh, let's start. How good a
fit do you think that is?
Speaker 5 (21:25):
So?
Speaker 9 (21:26):
I think, ay, Doug, it's happy to be hones with you,
and I do think that it's a really good fit.
I thought that's where he should go in the first
place when I first heard you know that the opportunities
of the different spots really down to the Giants and
the Steelers. I just feel like the Steelers are better
overall football team right now, certainly a very talented defense
and running back away with Jalen Warrens where I think
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you could be a explosive offense. So I think you know,
a coach, it's you never had a losing season in
a tough division, but in a division where you got
you can go beat try to beat the Cowboys, the
Commanders and the Eagles, or you try to go beat
the Ravens, you know, obviously the Bengals and the Browns.
I like his chances in Pittsburgh to have a better shot.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Okay, if he says no, if he doesn't, if he
doesn't take the deal today, uh what then well, I.
Speaker 9 (22:16):
Think he just had to be patient. I think that's
where it's at right now with him. He's certainly not
in any interest, you know, of making a quick decision.
But you know, I don't like what Aaron's doing. I
think he should. He's had months now to think about
whether he wants to play football again, you know, and
then he's also had, you know, weeks to know that
these are the teams that are very much interested in him,
and he's really down to two teams or he wants
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to retire. I mean, Doug, I don't know what what
would be the reasoning. I know that you can sit
there and play the leverage game. But the reality is,
if Aaron wants to win, find your team, go be
friends with their team. I mean, go, go, go make
the statement like this is the team you want to
be part of, instead of, you know, walling around or
trying to maybe get another two million dollars. It shouldn't
be about the money at this point for Aaron Rodgers, clearly,
with the amount of money he's made, it should be
(22:58):
what he takes the best fit. Maybe teams are making
a great argument, but I think that you know, if
you go to bed and you should know what you
want to do. It's disappointing to me that would take
this long for Aaron unless he's really considering retirement.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Yeah, it's it's a it's a weird one, but I think, yeah,
some would say Aaron could be a bit of a
bit of a bit of a weird one. Mark Dominic's
joining us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox
Sports Radio. Most surprising move in free agency was which move? Yeah?
Speaker 9 (23:28):
I think for me it might be Daniel Jones going
to the Colts. And the reason why I called surprising
this I really felt like Daniel Jones should take the
Sam Darnold approach and take one year off and go
into a system that he's very comfortable in that he
can learn like stay in Minnesota, bjj's backup, learned the
system under Kevin O'Connell, and see if there's an opportunity
(23:50):
that opens up instead of rushing into another spot where yes,
you could become the starter, but you're learning another system
may not be as a good fit. It may not
be widely viewed the same type of fit as you
know obviously the Shanahan's slash Vikings offense. And so I
thought that that was when we're I don't know if
they were looking for Daniel Jones long term. I was thinking,
seems like a short term decision get the fourteen million,
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when I think they should have looked at that as
more of a longer term decision. And I will say,
Aaron Bean and Pittsburgh is certainly you know that's a
positive outcome that has potential today.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Okay, let's let's discuss the kind of quarterback shuffle Gino
Smith has played for Pete Carroll before, right and kind
of stabilize them. And Sam Donald goes from Minnesota to Seattle.
Which one of those do you like best.
Speaker 9 (24:41):
I like Sam Donald going to Seattle, and the reason
why is I feel like there's potential in Sam Donald
to be better. And yet I love the structure of
the deal that John Schneidan the Seahawks had where if
it doesn't work out, it's one and done, move on
and find the next quarterback. And it doesn't stop Seattle
from drafting a quarterback, and it really doesn't stop the
raidership doing more. But I feel like, you know, I'm
going to lean towards John Schneider as a GM to say,
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I feel like Genal Smith may not be where he
used to be or what he can be. And Pete
Carroll hasn't been there for a year to see the
difference of what Genal Smith has been or what he's
able to do on the Packtice field. So that makes
me a little bit more nervous for Geno Smith. I
feel like for the Raiders you're getting a one to
two year rental where I think the Seahawks are saying, hey,
can we see if this could be the answer to
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the future.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
I'm interested in the Rams. You know it was you know,
supposedly you had you know, Matt Stafford was on the
on the trade block. Right, hey man, Now Matt Stafford's back,
they go out of talented wide receiver. Does does that work? Right?
It does? Does does the idea of almost leveraging Matt
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Stafford to come back at the rate they want? Does
that work for the Rams in this upcoming season?
Speaker 9 (25:53):
I think it does. I think the Rams are a
pretty good spot right now, able to keep some important
players on that offensive line together. Certainly, Matt Stafford's a
huge part with Kukinnakua. Now they have, you know, one
two punch a wide receiver that's very difficult to deal with.
And then you've still got to draft in front of
you where you've got a chance to maybe add another
tight end or add some more players on the defense.
(26:13):
This is a really great young defense and that's exciting.
It's got to be very exciting for them organization. So
I like what the Rams did, you know. I'm glad
that Stafford was able to stay there. It certainly puts
them into play. I know the forty nine ers are
right now the leading favorite to win the West, but
I feel like it should be the Rams.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Cincinnati found a way to find the money to bring
all of their guys back right, But they still don't
have a defense, right, and I don't know how much
more money they have to spend. Is this a winning
strategy from Cincinnati.
Speaker 9 (26:47):
I think they played it very well. You know, everybody
understands how hard it is to negotiate against Cincinnati. That's
very clear across the board. They use the franchise tag
effectively on P Higgins and it helps. I T Higgins
wanted to stay. But when you look at T Higgins
for your deal that's under thirty million a year, you know,
I think in the market, if he goes out the market,
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I think he's at thirty five. So you know, the
Bengals have got a discount on T Higgins and paid
the premium on Jamar Chase because they've played it all
the way through. But I like what the Bengals did,
and I think they're still room to figure out Trey
Hendrickson as well. Look, they're gonna have to really draft
call as you know, Doug, and that's a big part
of Chase Browns that you're going into your three on
a rookie deal. That's really helpful. So it's those kind
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of deals like that they're going to make them be
able to work through this. But they've got to hit
draft picks. Now, that's the only way when you pay
three guys over a half a billion dollars between the
three of them, you've got to find shortcuns or the
draftable fixtures that can pulug and play, you know, week
one in the National Football League.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
All Right, the the Philadelphia Egos have lost a good
amount in free see. Some they prepare for, some they
necessarily have not. What's the likelihood of them being at
the top of the NFL going forward in the next year.
Considering you win a champion, you win a Super Bowl,
and you know everybody wants a piece of some of
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your players.
Speaker 9 (28:10):
Yeah, I mean I think you know, you look offensively,
you know, with Saquon with the receiving corps, with the
offensive line, you got to feel pretty good. There's players
on that defensive side where you lose a branding her
grand But there's a Jalx Jalinx Hunt there to the
defensive lineman who's uber talented and just the first year player.
But when you watch him, you get very excited about
what he's going to bring. And I know how he
sees that and knows he's got some players down the
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sunt line that are going to be able to step
up and step through. So I think that the Eagles
are certainly every bit of reason to be in contention.
They've they've been doing it for years now, and I
think that this next year should be the same for them.
I'm I'm very positive. Now if you think of what
they did with the secondary and how young that's becoming now, uh,
you know, it's actually a very exciting thing to them.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Uh. Okay, the commanders at Deebo Samuel, now, I know
they can they can go and add some pieces because
you're already team and you have a quarterback who is
on a rookie deal for the next couple of years.
But is Deebo the right guy?
Speaker 9 (29:07):
I think he's a really good fit for them. I
think that because of the way he can run after
the catch. He's such a powerful player. You know, I
think it'll be fine because there's not as many balls
to go around. To me, yes, Washington Stain has talented
players too, But when you think about where the forty
nine ers were with Brandon Aiyuk, Ricky Piersall, we had
Deebo Samuel and we have George Kittle. We have McCaffery.
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It's like, where's the balls go? And Deebo's a little
bit more of a devo like that, and some of
these receivers are. I think he'll see more touches in Washington,
which will be a better fit for him. He just
got to stay on the field, stay healthy. That's the
only thing I've ever worried about with Deebo Samuels. Can
he put seventeen games together? Hopefully he can, and for
the Commanders if he does, he will certainly be a
thousand yard receivers for them.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Doug got Lip Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Mark
Dominic is our guest as we get ready for the
upcoming NFL Draft. He's a former general manager of the
Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Patriots really aggressive in the free agent world.
Some of it is like, look, they just don't have
good enough players. Did you like who they were aggressive?
Speaker 9 (30:03):
And going after I did, I thought they did a
good I mean, certainly, it's your point. They're probably the
most aggressive, but they also had probably the most room
and they have the most holes on their rosters, so
you know, it's a blend. They got some really good
quality players. I think in free agency they're going to
plug and play guys that Rabel nose. They even brought
in guys that Rabel's had before, like a Jack Gibbons
who's being a very good player when he's on the field.
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So I found some value players too. So I think
the Patriots now is just going to be focused towards
that draft. But I think they've got to feel like,
at least they don't feel desperate in the draft, right Doug.
I mean that's a hard place to be. I was
in that spot in two thousand and nine as the
GM of the Bucks when we basically cut the team
from all the leadership, and it made for a very
stressful draft because you had so many needs on a
football team that you know it was it was hard
(30:46):
to get your board fully set.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Mark. Last thing, it feels like a lot of these
quarterbacks are like kind of placeholders, right, I mean in
with the Jets is one. I think Geno feels like one.
I know it's pretty good money. With the Raiders, it
feels like a lot of them are like, hey, we're
going to draft a guy, but not first round, second
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day probably. What does that mean for the quarterback market specifically?
Jackson Dart and then Shape or Sanders after cam Worton.
Speaker 9 (31:26):
Yeah, so I feel like that's really what's going on.
When I feel the same way you do, Doug, I
feel like there's some placeholders out there or the Jets
are you know, willing to you know, it's still baffling
to me a little bit of the Jets put that
much money into justin fields. But you know, they've still
got the draft in front and they'll see what they
want to do or can do. It's a huge news
(31:46):
for Jalen Milroe. I think it's huge news for Quinn yours.
I think those guys make sure that they're at least
second round picks now based off their pro DA's and
the way they performed at the combiner through. So those
two guys I think certainly go second round now and
may be able to sneak a little bit higher depending
one of his late round teams that wants to go
and just take a quarterback. I think for Jackson Dart
he's a first rounder. I think he's pushing himself up
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to board. I still feel like sha Door Sanders is
a first round quarterback, but cam Ward's is the number
one pick in the draft. Cluss, you can tell by
what the Titans did. Nothing. They didn't bring They didn't
bring in Russell Wilson, they didn't bring in any other quarterbacks.
They have done nothing at the quarterback position except tell
you they are taking cam Ward number one. Overall, it's
not even a secret. I think it's a fact.
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Follows this show daily on most of your Fox Sports
Radio affiliates. So Baylor holds on to beat Mississippi State,
you'll get more of the updates is Alabama has separated
themselves some from Robert Morris. All of the games in
the NCAA Tournament updated as the day goes on here
on Fox Sports Radio and again News of the day
(33:54):
is Aaron Rodgers is in Pittsburgh at the Steelers facility.
No idea whether or not a deal will be proposed
or consummated today, but I mean like, at some point, dude,
just if you want to play football, play for the
Steelers and let's go that would I don't know, as
a football fan, wouldn't that be cool? I mean, look,
(34:15):
maybe if you're a Browns or a Bengals or a
Ravens fan, you're like, no, no, no, no, no no. I don't
want them to finally have a quarterback something they haven't
had in years. But wouldn't that be cool? Wouldn't that
be cool? You know? I don't think there are monumental
upsets yesterday, right like Drake winning, not monumental. McNee State
(34:35):
who hung on to beat Clemson by two not a
monumental Upstate it is if you just look at the
name McNee State, but they've been good for a couple
of years now and most people know a ton of
an il and uh, I think Clemson. Some of that
was matchups and some of that is Clemson not as
(34:57):
good as a record, part of it is coming from
the Ace, but still a big upset, and McNee State
being Clemson is a big win. I don't know. I
we put together list in the Best for Last, and
I think I think it'll offer up some really good debate.
Let's get to the Best for Last.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
It's almost the end of the show, but that doesn't
mean we're phoning it in. Nope, we grind the very
last segment. It's time for best for last.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Doug gottliebe in for Colin the Herd rolls on here
on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, let's get to our top
five upsets that come to my mind on the first
weekend of the NCAA tournament. Let's start with a little
number five, as do you remember when Tom Brennan and
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the Vermont Catamounts did this?
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Dan's Jennet.
Speaker 8 (35:53):
VM Let me tell you once again comes down to
fund amount on.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Got this Sorrty hit that one from the parking lot. Yeah. TJ. Sarantine,
who by the way now is an assistant coach at
Brown hit a parking lot three as Vermont and my
boy Tom Brandan got to win. That was in two
thousand and five. Two thousand and five, we'll go back
(36:20):
to two thousand and five upcoming, speaking of current assistant coaches.
Who was once an NCAA tournament hero. This was in
twenty ten when Kansas took on Northern Iowa. Northern Iowa's
going to have to shoot it before the pashall talk runs.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Out, oho olm for kas A three. You can't be
serious with that.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
Show al for Rouke Manesh, who very well could be
a head coach in the next couple of weeks here
as Colorado State continues to impress after winning the Mountain
West Conference Tournament championship. That was back when he was
at Northern Iowa playing for Ben Jacobson, and they took
down Bill self. Here's here's one that you may remember.
(37:11):
A player who came onto the scene with an unbelievable
NCAA tournament was C. J. McCullum when he played for Lehigh.
Speaker 7 (37:18):
It's one thing in the fifteen over too.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
It had happened in eleven years, but then a factor
in that it's Duke.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Was a n.
Speaker 6 (37:28):
What you have here, folks, one of the all time supers.
Speaker 10 (37:34):
Lehigh defeats took in the NCAA basketball tournament.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
Ye at Lehigh and C. J. McCullum the Moundahawks, but
they used to be known as the Engineers a long
time ago. The Moundhawks take down the Blue Devils. All right,
let's go back to that two thousand and five, speaking
of Kansas, right, these were some of the early years
of Bill self at KU and it was always a
be when ye was Bradley one year it was Bucknell.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
The Inenvound long past.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
But as and for me obviously, coaching at a place
where this place is most known for one game You're
gonna watch Duke play today kan Kinople. His uncle was
(38:25):
once a star at Green Bay before playing in the NBA.
Jeff Norgard, Well, we'll hear this and celebrate somewhere in
the Fox Valley as Green Bay once ended Jason Kidd's
college career. A right, green Bay beat Cal. I think
that game was at Weaver State, right, Think about that? Like,
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would there ever be an NCAA tournament site in Weber, Utah? Ever? Again,
it was in nineteen ninety four. Dick Bennett was the coach.
A lot of people think Tony Bennett was the point guard.
He was not. Not when they won, when they won
their NCAA tournament game, that was the Jeff Norgard led team.
What I miss h Ry music? What what upset? Do
(39:08):
you remember the most when you think back? And obviously
you got a lot younger than that, but and you look,
you can pick from a million. I mean, I think
UNBC is the one that people remember the most.
Speaker 5 (39:16):
Sure, Yeah, Peters tried to try to roll back the
clock a little bit more.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
Try to roll back the clock a little bit, a
little bit more what one jumps out to your in
your mind?
Speaker 7 (39:25):
Yeah, I mean, I definitely remember that.
Speaker 5 (39:29):
Upset that you referenced already with Northern Iowa and Kansas.
That one just sticks out in my mind so much.
And then, you know, this doesn't fall in the line
of you know, major early round upsets, but I remember
that undefeated Kentucky team with Karl Anthony Towns and when
(39:50):
they ended up losing to Wisconsin. Again, not like a
historic upset, but just in terms of all time great
teams that you know, sort of didn't end up going
on all the way to win the title, those would
be two that come to my mind.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Yeah, yeah, you know, like we don't even look at
at you know, like you know, we talked about George
Mason VCU obviously, Butler the first time around with nearly
won the national championship. That was a that was a
preseason top ten team. But the second time around that
was that was really surprised they lost Sheldon Mack, when
(40:24):
they lost Gordon Hayward and that that team wasn't no
one thought that was a national championship game.
Speaker 5 (40:30):
Oh you know, another one, another one that sticks out
was I think it was Jabbari Parker right when they
lost some Mercer, that duke team.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
Yeah, I remember Mercer was dancing, right, remember that everybody
they kept they still played the Mercer dancing video everywhere
you go. Yeah, right, anytime you want. That was a
most known probably for the dancing more so than anybody else.
Speaker 5 (40:51):
Yeah, that was a that was an early round one
where I remember thinking, wow, that was a very shocking result.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
Yeah. I love the people who massively over react and
tear up their brackets, you know, like, oh my bracket
is my son. Hayes was so better yesterday. You know,
he he had Clemson going far. Those he just he's
always like Clemson's like Clemson football a little bit more
in Clemson basketball. He's like, Man, I watched Clemson this year.
They're good, They're in the ACC. I was like, all right,
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but they just fell behind. It really could make a
shot and McNeese was too too quick and too athletic
for him. Uh yeah, I mean I think you can
go through I in Oakland last year taking down Kentucky.
That one is one that kind of jumps out in
in in anyone's kind of memory in terms of recency bias,
because that was the last game that John Caliberry kind
of weird, right, last game John Caliperry ever coached at Kentucky,
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they got beat by Greg Campy and Oakland. That was
also a super senior, Right, So you still have some
things that that correlate, but you think of it, it
is one of those deals where you can go through
any one of these programs and Buffalo wasn't that Buffalo
beat Arizona and Buffalo was really good. That was back
when Nate Oates is now in Alabama. I think it
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was his last win at Buffalo. They dominated Arizona. I
mean I think was that thing was just such a mismatch.
It was a stunner how good they were in comparison
to Arizona. I believe that was Sean Miller's last game
as head coach at Arizona, and some people think Sean
Miller will be head coach of Texas. All right, so look,
you got the rest of the second second day of
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the first round the NCA Tournament. Then you have rounds
round two upcoming this weekend, so Colin will be back
to recap that on Monday. Plus we'll find out well
Aaron Rodgers, I mean remember that State Farm commercial, right,
a Ray Rodgers. Like, what is Aaron Rodgers doing here?
He'll be in everything if he does, in fact agree
(42:50):
to go to Pittsburgh Steelers. But like, look at you
if you want to play football, and the Pittsburgh Steelers
have two awesome wide receivers and a really good defense, Like,
what are we doing? Right? What are we doing? So
I'm not foreshadowing anything, I have no knowledge of it,
but it would very much track if Aaron Rodgers today
(43:11):
gets on everybody's bottom line by agreeing to be with
the Pittsburgh Steelers. You'll find out here on Fox Sports
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