October 23, 2020 • 40 mins
Doug Gottlieb explains what the Philadelphia Eagles proved to the NFL world on Thursday night and ‘3 and Out’ host John Middlekauff joins the show to weigh in on Carson Wentz’s performance last night. Plus, Doug says the New York Jets will hold off on firing Adam Gase until after the season!
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Doug got Leave Show, Fox Sports Radio, coming to you
from the overcast city of Los Angeles, California. Welcome in.
We got a World Series game tonight. We got Big
ten football kicking off tonight. We got a huge college
and pro football weekend up coming. We got a lot
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to get to. Uh, let me let me begin with this.
You know there's this expression and John Robinson, I think
you can. I think you get a test to it.
In parenting, the days are long, but the years go fast, right,
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that is correct. I don't ever think nobody ages you
more or tells you the time. By the time fly
by is fast than children. Okay, let me let me
play something to see if this I'll turn up your mic.
All right, Jack, I care as I never get back
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a party. Gods it say don't. It's a shame for
out of the game. But the Macaronian cheese is important. Okay.
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That was That was seven years ago to day. We
were cheering for the Cardinals because my good friend Matt
Holiday was playing for the Cardinals. You remember. Uh. That
was the second World Series I think he had played in.
They had one previously. I'm gonna say like two thousand
and eleven when they beat the Texas Rangers. He actually
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didn't play in game seven, got hurt in Game six,
hurt his wrist and they were down the last strike twice.
Remember that was the David Freeze was the was the
MVP of that World Series. Anyway, I mentioned it because,
like I remember that at the time, I was living
in like just down the street from where I lived now,
in a rental house that we actually came back and
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rented when we moved back here. I remember my son
sitting on my lap like that feels like maybe not yesterday,
but it feels like six months ago, a year ago.
It's seven years ago, you know now. My Now, I
literally watched baseball with my son and he went through
this pattern where he didn't like watching games. It was
two Now he's back kind of watching and talking about
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and talking about pitches and like it's a completely different experience.
But it's seven years ago. Like my son is eleven
now my daughters are fourteen. I have two daughters in
high school. The days when you're a parent, there are
some days you're like, oh my god, is this the
thirty six hour day? Is this a forty hour day?
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If you haven't done the parenting thing yet. Here's generally
the way it works, right. My kids don't sleep in
They have never been great, huge long, deep sleepers, late sleepers.
You know. Now one of them kind of will kind
of lay in bed all day if you let her.
But you know, when you're when they're little kids, like
they get up at six six thirty and then they're
doing stuff and once once they get out of the
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knap thing, like they're up and you kind of gotta
manage them. Just it's like a you know, like a
goat rodeo up until like eight o'clock at night, eight
thirty at night. Then they go to bed and then
you wake up. You do it again. You're like hamster
on a wheel. It's a tough deal, but you'll this
those days when they're gone, you know now I have
one that she has friends that pick her up and
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they take her here, and they take her there and
like some of it's cool, but someone's like, hey, I
kind of actually like I I we started to be
able to watch movies together and hang out together. Now
you're never here. The days are long, but the years
are fast, years ago, really fast. I point that out
because last night I was I was watching the Eagles play,
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and I was thinking also about the Odell Beckham Jr.
U wine Fest, where he's clearly trying to get traded
and using his the friends he has in the media
to to claim that he's being there's some unfair double standard.
There is a double standard. It is not unfair, um.
And I realized that the days are long, but the
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season is actually long. That it's the opposite maybe in football,
where that the days the games go fast, but the
season is long. I tell college basketball players, I gotta
when I go to a practice and I'm gonna I'm
gonna make some rounds this year and go and watch
teams practice, watch teams work out. I love it. I
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love the spirit. I hated practice when I was in college.
This time of year because you've been working out with
your teammates for a while, and you know it's once
you know the offense and the things you're doing. It's
a little bit of hamster on the wheel. And you
know you may play a scrimmage, but you're playing against
the same guys. You's like, give me some new competition
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to play. So I gotta tell you, I see things.
I see it different when it's a football team, different
when it's a basketball team. And I tell kids this
all the time, like, look, you just stay with it
and you're going to get your shot. The season is long.
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Normally a college basketball season is only five months long.
You know this here, we nobody knows how long it's
gonna go. But five months seems quick until you realize
you play games starting in November. You end games playing
in March or in April, and all of those games
somebody gets hurt, somebody gets suspended, somebody gets in the doghouse.
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You're gonna get your opportunity. Well, the same goes for
the National Football League. What the what's the expressions? Water
finds its level? I watched the Eagles come from behind
last night, and granted, everybody's making fun of Daniel Jones
tripping over the thirty yard line. It was funny. I
should point out that one of the things that missed
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is Daniel Jones is running. By dudes, that guy is
a great athlete. I heard a friend I'm not gonna
name names who hosts the radio show, who was like, yeah,
I look like an uncle at a barbecue, you know,
running and he's drunk. And he's like, no, no, uncle
runs a four five and is running away from defensive backs. Yes,
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he tripped and fell and it was embarrassing, but that
dude's got some wheels. But the point is that instead
of giving up on the Eagles season when they had
that disastrous start and they had a surefire win and
then all their offensive lineman went down and people were
down on Carson Wentz and some were suggesting that you
go and turn to Jalen Hurts and you have him,
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you know, and you have him play for you go
with the young kid, and you run this more simple
offense and and now the season's long, dude, and instead
of having in fighting and quotes of guys that don't
like the way that Carson Wentz is playing or the
fourth down play call that Doug Peterson called, instead the
Eagles figured they woke up today like, hey, we're two
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four and one, well right there in first place in
the NFC East. We're gonna get healthier. Carson Wentz is
playing better, our defensive front is still pretty good. The
Cowboys are miss the Giants can't win any of these
close games, and the Redskins have no chance. Like this
is Carson Wentz after the game. Game the same thing
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that I echo every game when we're down here. Just
keep believing, just one play at a time, and the
big play is gonna hit. It's gonna happen. And John
had the big one on that first drive, and obviously
Boston the second driving, and guys just keep believing and
keep rallying together. And that's what it's gonna take to
win a lot of these ball games. It's it's really true.
It's a it's a it's a cliche, right, you know,
or it's a it's actually so don't stop thinking about tomorrow,
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right right, Like, but it's you know, um, what's the
what's the other one? Um? What was the when the
White Sox used when they won the World Series? Right? Not,
don't stop believing, don't by journey, right, don't stop believing
by journey, but the the idea is still the same, like, look,
it's a long see the games are long, there are
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there is time to make comebacks, believe it or not.
And if you keep the faith, if you keep believing
in each other and what you're doing, and you have
a coaching staff that figures it out, like, that's part
of what's happened here. I that was the reason I
know the Eagles didn't cover. But my logic behind the
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Eagles winning last night was I watched them against the
Ravens kind of same thing where they couldn't have looked
worse in the first half, but clearly they got together
at halftime and said, well, if we do this, this
and this, we'll start to move the ball. We'll take
some deep shots, we'll find some mismatches cars, you can
throw it up to our bigger wide receivers and let's
make some place. And damn they should have tied that game.
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One bad play call on a read option. You know
they had a bad staff and he runs into his
running back. But they don't have their running back, they
don't have their tight end, they don't have their top
two wide receivers, they don't have their offensive lineman, and
you know what, they just kept playing and so much
kind of the opposite of parenting, where the days are
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are long but the years go quick. This year is
gonna be long long. You know. It started with some
guys opting out. Then you had teams not really ready
to play because of the lack of preseason games and
no O T A s. You had massive, massive injuries.
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You know, last two drives Carson Wentz five for seven
d two pass yards are twenty one past yards, two touchdowns,
hundred fifty three three pass rating. Like I think Carson
Wentz is terrific. I think the Eagles have their quarterback,
and I get that Doug Peterson cannot be a little
bit all over the map, but if you've watched the
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past couple of weeks, they're figuring it out. The ability
to adjust on the fly, the ability to say, hey,
that game plan we came in with was wrong, this
is the right way. That's the stuff that wins you
games in the long run. The long play is the
smart play. So I don't know if you want to
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go don't stop believing or whatever it is, but but
I think I think the games are long, and this
year is long, and this year is long, and instead
of soaking it up and enjoying it because it will
be gone into heartbeat much the way that your child
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kids childhood is. I think you just got to look
at the big picture instead of the short term picture.
Not to freak out over one loss, not to freak
out over one one weird play. Be sure to catch
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Radio and the I Heart Radio app Very nicely done. John, Yeah,
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you don't remember, like a J. Prasinski. This is like
their the their theme song. I know this when this
was this was actually the theme song for Clinton when
he when on re election campaign, not his election. I
saw him speaking Santa Barbara. I was in high school.
I got in the car my high school girlfriend and
I we drove up to UM Santa Barbara City College
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and he he spoke and he was, I mean, dam
me to this song. But he was definitely doing white
Man's over, you know, not quite as not quite as
uncomfortable as as Trump the other day. Without Yeah, it
was a tough one, you know, but I mean like look,
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uh you know, you're seventy one year old. Seventy one
year old, you know, white golf dude, like that's that's
it was every cliche ever, right. What was Mark Batson's problem?
Remember him in the Lakers dance parade? Mark Matson? Yeah,
he he didn't have any a lot going on there neither.
He was a lot younger than either. Yes, no, no,
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no excuse, no excuse, I mean bad parenting. What it is.
Mark's a beautiful guy. He's a great human being. I
argue it was real quick my Mark Matson story. So
I three different offseasons I got it was like on
some level training with the Lakers. One year I was
on the summer League team. Um. All three years I
would be in this. They'd have this um like free
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agent mini camp the week or two weeks before they
were going to Hawaii for their actual camp. I never
made the camp, okay, but the guy organization was great
and I got to like, you know, he ended up
getting to know kind of everybody in there. And mad
Dog was there all three years and you know, at
the time he still he drove a white minivan. He
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was just the greatest, you know, this kind of guy
that you'd work out. You'd have a practice and you
work out. And because mad Dog was on the team
and playing only really he played a little bit with
us in Devin George rather than that, but he like,
you know, he was making better money than the rest
of us, and he like, you guys want to go
to lunch, and you know, he got down the street
to the sandwich shop, take you in his minivan and
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pick up and drop you off of your hotel, which
right next to practicaility. Just a nice guy. It's not
I mean, honestly, most pro athletes, especially down the pecking order,
Derek Fisher's the great dudes like Fish would come in
there at the time. You know, he's a starting point
guard of the NBA champion Lakers, and you know, you
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want to get lifted, you wanna get some shots up.
And we had a mutual friend Adrian Peterson, who I
played with um in college at Ocahm States from North
Little Rock, and they grew up through the same a
Arkansas wings AU program. Why think Fish as dad coached anyway,
So I mean, so we had like a loose connection,
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but really good people. Most professional athletes are really good people.
And what it's it's interesting because when I lash out
at an Odell Beckham Jr. Most guys like, yeah, he's like,
you're a terrible teammate if when your team is born
to two you just lost the game, and three you're
making an about yourself. Um. But but one of the
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reasons that I'm so bothered by it is I not
like most dudes are really good dudes. And I don't
think Odell Beckham Jr. Is a bad dude per se.
He's just kind of the classic cliche super selfish wide
receiver that thinks everything every game revolves around his happiness
and success, and that's not even close to accurate. But
my experience with pro athletes is most of them are
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really good guys because they've they're not only from different backgrounds,
but they people they play with it from different backgrounds,
and in order to be successful, unlike like tennis players,
you have to learn to work with people. It's there's
a group of young NBA players that I think are
struggling with this because they've kind of been bubble boys
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where their dads have raised them to be NBA stars,
and they are in terms of you know, Michael Porter Jr.
Trey Young's like this where their dads have been a
little bit overprotective to keep them away from some of
the illicit elements of sport. But because they've done that,
they haven't been around people enough each other. But like
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not around various teams. They don't have sleepovers when their
kids like, there's a certain whereas most of the guys
I came into contact with, I gotta tell you I
really like and I still do really like them. I
don't know how I got on that tangent. When a
train is a vehicle or a railway crossing, the results
are often deadly. Be cautious at crossings, and if the
signals are going, don't be tempted to try and sneak
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across the tracks even if you don't see a train stop.
Trains can't pay for by NITZA. The Jets don't have
anybody on staff who has a legit shot at at
at being the next head coach. Right so I believe
my guess is that Joe Douglas is not going to
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make a coaching change right now. I do think eventually
he'll make a coaching change, um, but I don't think
it's right now. I do think it will happen eventually.
And here's the logic, and I mean not only happened eventually,
but happened before the season is done. You're like, wait,
why would they make an in season coaching change and
not make it now. The reason you make it before
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the season ends is you want They're gonna want Woody
Johnson when he comes back from from Ireland or whatever.
You're they're going to investigate various candidates. Maybe go see
them coach in person, go talk to people, meet with people.
Really make it a well rounded search to find who
the right guy is because it's pretty obvious Adam Gates
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is not Joe Dougs. But you can't do that when
you have a current head coach. You can, but when
that gets back to people, it just looks bad. So
when I look at the Jets and I think, Okay, well,
is he coaching for his job this week because they're
coaching against the Buffalo Bills, I don't think the answer
is yes. Um My guest would be, it's you're talking
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about the last three or four games of the season,
So at o N six, you got you know they're
not beating Kansas City next week. The doubtful in terms
of new England the week after that, then they have
a bye Could you make a coaching change? Then you could,
But do you want to reward Greg Williams? Is that
what you want to do? Like the defense has been
bad and he's not. He can be seen as a
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bit of a divisive force. Um. I don't know if
you guys know this, but I mean, listen to the
Jets schedule at the end of the season. Raiders at
Seahawks at Rams, Browns at New England. I mean, you're
gonna take over his interim coach. You're not gonna win
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any games. So my guess is that if they were
to make a change, you can do the bye week,
give a guy legit chance, or more likely you know
you do it, you do it sometime during that tumultuous
run in December. That way, it gives you a chance
to really go out and explore who the possibilities are.
It's gets you Dan Buyer, who is irreplaceable. We're not
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gonna wait till the bye week or end of the season.
He's not going anywhere Dan when he got I think
I need about five bye weeks right about now. The
NBA is reportedly looking at starting the season in December.
The athletics is the league is targeting a date of
December twenty to start the season. This is the uh
this Sham's reporting this, and I thought they were doing them,
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that they were doing like January. That is not the case. Well,
it's the being discussed today by the Board of Governors.
But the goal, according to the report, would be seventy
two games schedule, maybe a seventy game schedule starting a
few days before Christmas and ending before the Tokyo Summer
Olympics in late July. So they're getting pressure to do
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the Olympics. Yeah, it seems to be the case. And
I think that's what's what's at work here, is that
the ratings are terrible. They know they can't drag it
on as long as they did because the ratings are
gonna be bad. So they want to get it done earlier,
and they want to get done for the Olympics because
they need to continue to deve elop their overseas Wosan
ESPN reportered earlier today that it was that the Board
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of Governors were looking at a Christmas day start, but
then Sham's had the December twenty two WOLAS then followed
up that the All Star Game in Indianapolis likely and jeopardy.
NBA still considering a play in tournament for the playoffs,
but we could have basketball sooner rather than later. I'm
not sure if that's a great thing or even a
good thing, but that could be the case with the NBA.
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It makes league Baseball. Dodgers and race tonight on Fox
seven thirty Eastern, Tom Walker Buller against Charlie Morton series
tied up at a game with Peace roof closed tonight, guys,
possibility of rain in the NFL, Saints gonna be shorthanded.
Wide receiver Emmanuel Sanders placed on the reserve COVID list.
He won't be eligible to play on Sunday. New Orleans
Football reports that Michael Thomas not present during the open
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portion of the team's practice. They've got Carolina Bengals without
Joe Mixon not gonna play against the Browns because of
a foot injury. Aaron Jones and the Packers a game
time decision after the running back tweaked his hamstring in
practice yesterday. Sam Donald gonna start for the Jets against
the Bills on Sunday, and the Army Navy game will
be played in December twelve will be played at West Point.
It's called Philadelphia. Have been, No, have not? I would
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love to. Yeah, next time you're in on the East coast.
Uh you gotta get to go to West Point. I
should have. That's it was in the name. When we
went to uh US open a couple of years ago.
I was there an extra day and just drove up
and around and yeah, it's a little far from where
we were. We were out on Long Island. We were
pretty pretty far out. Yeah, by the way where we were,
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I don't know if you know this. So we're close
to the Hampton's. The value in those homes in the
Hampton's has gone up, like okay, so I know what happens.
A lot of people they think like every home in
the Hamptons is like something out of Ballers or something
at it's like some but it's not. There's lots of
really cute homes and you know, but you you can't.
It's really hard to It's it's far from New York City.
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It's a good two and a half three hours with
no traffic um when you get way out there on
but now because people are working at home, like it's crazy,
those same suburbs and I used to live in the
suburbs in Connecticut. All the housing values are just through
the roof. And I'll be interested to see if people
move back to New York City. That's interesting. The day
after the US Open when we did, yeah, I took
a drive to see where the Orange County Choppers show.
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That's so, that's why I was in the West Point area.
But where is where? I'm trying to think Orange County,
New York is, Well, yeah, it's probably I would say
it's maybe about twenty minutes from West Point about west Point,
so I haven't been a long time. Um, there's a
guy named what's his name Miller? Um, what's the guy
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who he's been on local ready in Los Angeles? Man? Uh, anyway,
he was an assistant at west Point at the time.
I was a kid. Yes, yeah, so I was like, uh,
I don't know, twelve years old. Maybe he was an
assistant west Point. He's like, you told my dad like
where your boys up? And we went and we played
like one on one and two on two because we
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go to the city every summer. And we walked around
the campus and I mean it is just magnificent. It
is Oh well, and it's you know, it's a strategic
military location. So you're up on an actual point overlooking um,
overlooking the Hudson and you know, you mean you can
just see four miles and miles and miles anyway, John
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Mittlcoff joining US three Now podcast. You've been you've been
to West Point? No, but I went to the Army
Navy game when I lived at Philly and it was
it was awesome. Yeah, It's like, man, I'd really like
to do that, Like, but then you gotta be in
the military. No thanks, those guys, those guys are just yeah, yeah,
well and what you what I don't think people realize
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or maybe they do, is like you're incredible students. And
then I've I've done Army games, Navy games, Air Force
games and a bunch of Air Force games, and like
the kids are all incredible, like in just really special
people like you gotta you gotta be wired from different stuff,
not just toughness, but uh, just their intellectual prowessis is
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amazing because those are when when I was at when
I was at cal Poly and uh working on the
football program. They're their head coach Rich Ellerson got the
job in Army, and I think he had it for
you know, six or seven years. And I was close
with people on the staff and they were just saying
it was hard to win football games. Obviously, it's it's
it's a challenge, but the people you're around just changed
your life. At the football coaches, you know, just that
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the guys that it's just it's an eye opening endeavor
for football people to be around those guys and the
discipline they have, and you know, it's it's cool to
see whenever one of those programs, you know successful. Um, okay,
you're you're taking last da night's game. I have my own,
but I don't want to pollute your thoughts. What's you're
taking last night's game? Yeah, I mean, I think it's
pretty simple. From the Philly standpoint, they're just I mean,
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they're playing with me and you right now. I mean,
I think most people listening, obviously me and you do
this for a living. I can't dad these wide receivers.
I had never heard of the full gum guy before
he got the touchdown against the Niners. I thought Richard
Rodgers was out the league. Boston Scott. I had never
heard of him till last year when the Eagles started
playing him, high tower, fifth round kid from Boise. I mean,
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we listen, Carson makes bad plays, but no one can
argue his like the overwhelming majority of the NFL would
take the guy in a heartbeat. And you know he
he gets some hero ball syndrome, which I think happens
to like NBA players on bad teams. But I'm not
big into paying thirty thirty five million dollars from most
quarterbacks like Jared gott Dak Prescott. I have no problem
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doing it for Russ and Rogers and the top guys.
I can live with it with Carson Wentz. And I
know people push back on it, but it just just
watched the guy. I mean, he's not he has to.
Him and Jason Kelsey are the only guys left from
week once that are started. And obviously a lot of
those guys didn't make it. I mean, look at Blaine
john he can barely walk. I mean, he's he's probably nothing.
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But I commend the guy stuffing just but he's probably
a liability out there when he's playing like that. And
uh and yeah, I mean Carson just made some big
time plays at the end. And listen, I was hard
on Joe Judge in the in the train camp when
he's making the coaches run. But you watch their team,
I mean they play hard. Yeah, they don't have much talent.
Getleman's terrible, So I mean that the rosters awful. But
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I can think Joe Judge can just the effort of
his team. That's really all you can judge, right on
a bad team, how hard they play. And Okay, so
so there's there's like there's a couple of different parts
to it. Three ounce the podcast. She's downloaded. It's awesome.
You learned so much from John Middle co former scout
in the National Football League. Um, okay, so let' let's
start with the Eagles, Like I'm not only impressed with wins,
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I'm actually impressed with Doug Peterson. Like the last two
games are kind of the same in that the last
three they seem to I don't love their game plans,
but they seem to figure it out, like get in
the locker room, go like all right, let's figure it
out here, and kind of a jigsaw puzzle and they
put together and then yeah they're like they hell, they
should have put the Ravens in overtime, And I mean,
you want to talk about a talent mismatch as Night
and Day, right, I think the only not I'm done
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right point, Well, what you think about way they are
in so many third and ones, So he's using I mean,
what's the two point play? It's really just a short
yard to play. You know that they're using those constantly.
You know, a lot of good teams or just successful
offenses get a lot of first downs on second down. Well,
it's hard for the Eagles because they're playing with again,
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people we've never heard of. And at the end of
the day, Carson, I mean Aikman Castan last night, he's
still sore from the game because if you watch the
Raven game, he was getting Pepper. And the one thing
I think Carson's really done to just no one could
argue this now, is he's entered in the past the
question he gets pep pretty back up tough, No, it's
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it's um okay. What what about Gentleman, Like you know,
Gettleman was so confident to the point of being arrogant. Yeah, like,
what do you do with you that you just ride
it out with gentleman and see what he does this offseason?
Because I do actually like Daniel Jones. Um, and I
love I like the selection of Joe Judge because the
guys do play hard, they compete for him. Um. So
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and those are you know, those are both Dave Gentleman picks,
you know. And I like Sayclon Barkley. I just wouldn't
take any running back at number two. And now you're
gonna have to pay him coming off an injury. Uh,
what do you do if you're the Giants? I actually
think that Daniel Jones has a little Alex Smith to him.
He's athletic, really athletic, like he was running by dudes
on that run where people clowned him on like he
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was running by dudes. Al Right, what what is going
on in middlehouse? Phone phone? Okay, here's what we're gonna
Here's what we're gonna do. Here's we're gonna do. Okay,
I want more time with Milkcoff. I got a lot
more phones, so well, coming up next, John Middlecoff will
join us. I want to get his thoughts on what
a front office and coaches are said, would really say
about Odell Beckham Jr. Plus Um, all right, what do
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we do now if we're Jerry Jones and the Cowboys
and you've heard players speak out that coaches don't know
what they're doing? How do you? How do you adjust?
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Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Um Man, there's a lot
of things I like talking to John middle Coffe rejoins
US three and outs the podcast. He's decided to use
a modern cell service. Now, Um, okay, let's know. I
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gotta tell it myself. I'm in Santa Cruz for the
weekend and my phone was directly into the sun. And
you ever had when your phone overheat burns off? So
we just I looked down. It was just black. It
said overheat. So I said, that's not good. That's not good. Um.
That was a very much a humble brag with the
Santa Cruz. Yeah, you gotta, you gotta live life a little,
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Yeah you do. Um, I know that you're not down
here watching Tiger play at Sherwood, but you don't allow
anyone in. Did you see how bad he was on
par fives yesterday? I mean I saw you see Phil
had a nine today on a par five. These guys
are just I think the guys they try to keep
up with the young cats and they just can't fly
as far and they get behind these trees and in
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terrible spots. It's is we have we have lived long enough.
Where Tiger is the When Tiger was the young guy,
we were the young guy. Now now we're the now
we're now they're the old guys. It's a really, really
weird feeling. Um, okay, I got a bunch of things.
Odell Beckham Jr. Takes his cleats off, his helmet off,
pitches a fit because he gets taken out of a game,
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and then he's like, I'm tired of being the nice guy.
Then he basically said, hey, nobody says anything when Tom
Brady gets mad on the sideline. I mean I thought
it was laughable to me him comparing himself to Tom Brady,
but also Brady is it's all about the team and
winning and trying to get guys to play better, where
O b j. It feels like it's about oh b
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j Um, what would you do if you're the Browns?
How do you handle it? Yeah? I mean on the
first part, Tom Brady, there's never been one terse word
from a teammate or coach has ever been around the guy.
So even regardless of the winning or losing, his reputation
as a teammate, wouldn't you say is might be number
one all time? Talk like like if you're gonna if
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you're gonna compare yourself to somebody, could you pick out anybody?
Like yeah, that that one you're not gonna not gonna win.
And now look I would, I would. If you want
to say there's a double standard, I'm okay with that.
Everybody knows there's a double standard. Quarterbacks are more important
that and and by the way, judged more harshly than
wide receivers, and thus they're allowed to get away with
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have a little bit more leeway. But but the equating
yourself to Tom Brady, Like what are you doing, dude?
Like you do know that everybody respects him because of
his work ethic and his ability to find ways to
motivate guys, even with people who you know, now he
played against Runsan's son, who he played with his dad
at Michigan. Like that's how old that guy is. I know,
it's crazy. On the trade runt, you know, I think
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we just know who Odell is. He say, very very talented, dude.
He's a front runner when when things are going well,
he's great when they're not he's bad. They're four and two.
They're not two and four. There four and two. I'm
talking about him personally. I understand, I understand, but but
find me a winning team that wants that. Well that
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that's who is because his talent in a vacuum. We've
seen glimpses this year kind of get it back like WHOA,
this guy can play and you couldn't trade him for
anything less than probably a first round pick because this
talent would you know, demand that type of compensation. The
problem is, like you said, who is trading that? Because
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you can be like, well, Middlecoff, the Seattle's about to
sign Antonio Brown, Yeah for nothing. You know, you don't
have to give up anything, so you know, you deal.
Every team in the league would take Odell Beckham, but
not for a first round pick. Plus he's making and
he's making a lot of money too. I think the
Browns are kind of stuck with him, and which isn't
a bad thing. The problem is their quarterback him on
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an ideal match. So I just think you have to
write it out and maybe in the off season if
O'Dell can make some plays down the stretch, which you know,
I I think they're probably gonna win nine or ten games,
but they're not gonna play very well against the good
teams and probably be a one and done team if
they make the playoffs. So if anything gonna change that much,
he might just be an embarrass to the Brown GM.
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He didn't make this move right. This was a John Dorsey,
you know, big eel move, which at the time I
thought they didn't even give up that much that it
just turned out the problem was their quarterback and him.
Don't make any sense that they're not they're there. Baker
can't throw the ball down field, doesn't have a great arm,
and he can't scramble, and he plays live and O'Dell
needs a big arm quarterbacks. Why we had moments of
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brilliant Eli, who at the time hadn't quite fallen off
a clip. Eli could always throw the ball down the
field right, you could throw bombs, and O'Dell Beckham that
to me, he needs to be with the Josh. Look
at Dick's right now with Josh Allen. I mean you
just to look up every player's throwing a dick like
that's what they need. O'Dell. These find that the problem
is he's kind of just stuck in Cleveland. I don't
think a trade. It is happening. And you know what's
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kind of crazy is depending on how this Raider games
plays out on Sunday, if they played or whatever gets
pushed back next week, the Browns Raiders could kind of
be a huge swing game for that seventh seats because
one of those two teams, in my opinion, probably ends
up with that you know, nine, nine and seven, maybe
tenants six, and that game could be for the playoffs
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because if they end up with the same record, the
tiebreaker would be, you know, head to hit. It's it's
it's really into John Midikoff joining us right now? Is
is the podcast? What do you think about that Raiders
thing where um, you know, they may have violence, some
COVID rules than Trent Brown has it. They send everybody
else home like we're gonna have a football game here Sunday. Yeah,
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I mean to me, Doug even goes back. Darren Waller,
who is a great story overcame drug addiction, has become
a pro bowler. The Raiders, you know, it feels like
they got it a little more together, right. Mayox impressive,
cruis impress but their details, like they threw a a
fund raiser with a bunch of people. All their players
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went and they got in trouble, and it's like, once
Trent Brown gets it and he's at practice, how are
you not? And they were already in that double secret,
you know, protocol because they had already had some tests
and the fines, so they were being watched really closely.
I don't understand how there aren't people in this organization.
All my friends, everyone I talked to around the league,
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they go, God, this is we take this up really seriously.
Every time I'm at my death the only time I
can take it off and I find myself no one's around.
If I go to the bathroom, I can test it
every day, and I'm just like, every story that comes
up about the Raiders is like Lucy Goosey. Whether you
believe or whatever you think about this, it's not even
about that. It's about the money, getting the game and
following the rules, which wouldn't you say. It feels like
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ninety eight point eight percent of players, they're falling in
pretty tightly because they understand what's on the line in
terms of their money. And Trent Brown has been a
disaster for the Raiders this year. Uh, he had some
weird injury that I think rubbed the coach is the
wrong way early. Now he does this and he like
their highest character guy on the team is not is
Derek Carr and Rodney Hudson. And now Rodney Hudson is
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sitting at home because of Trent Brown. Gave Jackson Colton Miller.
Like their offensive line is really really like impressive individuals
and they got taken down because of Trent Brown. It's
really not funny. And also, like I the Raider fans
would say, the league doesn't care about it, and I
think it's fair to say, yeah, they probably don't because
they want Tom Brady to play. Um, okay, what do
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we make of the Michael Thomas thing. Right, it's the ankle,
then it's a fight, Now it's a hamstring. Like this
dude got the biggest check of wide receiver has ever
gotten and now we've only seen him once. It's weird
because I would have thought just watching him play, he
was just the ferocity and the intensity, like it was
like this guy is going to translate weather gets paid
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or like this games and his game is not gonna change. Right,
Like you watch Savante, You watched Keenan Alan like they
have played the same whether the checks were different or what.
You know, it hasn't impacted their game. Even Julio, this
guy kind of fallen off the rouse, like what is
going on? I mean, I don't the the incident where
you've punched the teammate to me doesn't pass the smell
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test because there are guys that get punched throughout the
season in any sports, right and never been on a
team that didn't have a fight. And think about this.
It wasn't Michael Thomas punching Cam Jordan's right or Drew Brees,
like two of the elites on the team. It was
some guy. It was a practice squad. It's like, what
so they're leaning with the practice. Clearly this guy is
not listening to anyone and then he gets this injury.
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Is the is the injury kind of like screw you
to the Saints. It already feels like the relationship is
a little like is not in a good place. I
don't understand. I don't know because I think sometimes and
he gets back to wide receivers, they get in their
own head that they they sometimes with their own worst enemies.
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And I wouldn't assume this guy would have been apt. Now,
granted I didn't follow his like personal life that closely,
but this I can't imagine Sean Paid does not happy
with the way the situation play. That I got like
a minute left, I want to I I got a couple
of others. What happens to Green Bay this week? They
just collapsed after getting up to nothing? Yeah, I mean,
this is a total get right game. Houston's defense is awful.
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You know, I'd expect Rogers to throw three or four
touchdowns them to win. That definitely cover the spread to
meet Houston is not any good. Um, Okay, how important
is this game for Jimmy Garoppolo really important? I mean,
he has not played well this year at all? And uh,
the one thing you say about the Patriots, their offense
thinks right now. Their defense doesn't have players we recognize,
but their defense is played well and Kyle Shanahan to
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win games this year because their defense is going to
have to let Jimmy throw. And now this week they
might be able to get by just because uh, I
almost called the Carolina cam and the offense can't score.
But they got the Saints, they got the Packers, they
got Seattle next week, like, you better start figuring out
this passing game or you are not making a playoff.
Does McCarthy make it the year two? Uh? Not at
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this taste. I mean not, I faith. It's one thing
to lose, right, it's another thing to look lifeless and
poorly coached. And that's I mean, any casual football fan
can be like that's a joke, so they better pick
up the effort. Or yeah, I would say bye bye. Audios,
Mike McCarthy. Awesome stuff, Thanks so much for joining us. John.
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from the overcast city of Los Angeles, California. Welcome in.
We got a World Series game tonight. We got Big
ten football kicking off tonight. We got a huge college
and pro football weekend up coming. We got a lot
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to get to. Uh, let me let me begin with this.
You know there's this expression and John Robinson, I think
you can. I think you get a test to it.
In parenting, the days are long, but the years go fast, right,
(01:15):
that is correct. I don't ever think nobody ages you
more or tells you the time. By the time fly
by is fast than children. Okay, let me let me
play something to see if this I'll turn up your mic.
All right, Jack, I care as I never get back
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a party. Gods it say don't. It's a shame for
out of the game. But the Macaronian cheese is important. Okay.
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That was That was seven years ago to day. We
were cheering for the Cardinals because my good friend Matt
Holiday was playing for the Cardinals. You remember. Uh. That
was the second World Series I think he had played in.
They had one previously. I'm gonna say like two thousand
and eleven when they beat the Texas Rangers. He actually
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didn't play in game seven, got hurt in Game six,
hurt his wrist and they were down the last strike twice.
Remember that was the David Freeze was the was the
MVP of that World Series. Anyway, I mentioned it because,
like I remember that at the time, I was living
in like just down the street from where I lived now,
in a rental house that we actually came back and
(02:38):
rented when we moved back here. I remember my son
sitting on my lap like that feels like maybe not yesterday,
but it feels like six months ago, a year ago.
It's seven years ago, you know now. My Now, I
literally watched baseball with my son and he went through
this pattern where he didn't like watching games. It was
two Now he's back kind of watching and talking about
(03:00):
and talking about pitches and like it's a completely different experience.
But it's seven years ago. Like my son is eleven
now my daughters are fourteen. I have two daughters in
high school. The days when you're a parent, there are
some days you're like, oh my god, is this the
thirty six hour day? Is this a forty hour day?
(03:21):
If you haven't done the parenting thing yet. Here's generally
the way it works, right. My kids don't sleep in
They have never been great, huge long, deep sleepers, late sleepers.
You know. Now one of them kind of will kind
of lay in bed all day if you let her.
But you know, when you're when they're little kids, like
they get up at six six thirty and then they're
doing stuff and once once they get out of the
(03:42):
knap thing, like they're up and you kind of gotta
manage them. Just it's like a you know, like a
goat rodeo up until like eight o'clock at night, eight
thirty at night. Then they go to bed and then
you wake up. You do it again. You're like hamster
on a wheel. It's a tough deal, but you'll this
those days when they're gone, you know now I have
one that she has friends that pick her up and
(04:05):
they take her here, and they take her there and
like some of it's cool, but someone's like, hey, I
kind of actually like I I we started to be
able to watch movies together and hang out together. Now
you're never here. The days are long, but the years
are fast, years ago, really fast. I point that out
because last night I was I was watching the Eagles play,
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and I was thinking also about the Odell Beckham Jr.
U wine Fest, where he's clearly trying to get traded
and using his the friends he has in the media
to to claim that he's being there's some unfair double standard.
There is a double standard. It is not unfair, um.
And I realized that the days are long, but the
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season is actually long. That it's the opposite maybe in football,
where that the days the games go fast, but the
season is long. I tell college basketball players, I gotta
when I go to a practice and I'm gonna I'm
gonna make some rounds this year and go and watch
teams practice, watch teams work out. I love it. I
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love the spirit. I hated practice when I was in college.
This time of year because you've been working out with
your teammates for a while, and you know it's once
you know the offense and the things you're doing. It's
a little bit of hamster on the wheel. And you
know you may play a scrimmage, but you're playing against
the same guys. You's like, give me some new competition
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to play. So I gotta tell you, I see things.
I see it different when it's a football team, different
when it's a basketball team. And I tell kids this
all the time, like, look, you just stay with it
and you're going to get your shot. The season is long.
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Normally a college basketball season is only five months long.
You know this here, we nobody knows how long it's
gonna go. But five months seems quick until you realize
you play games starting in November. You end games playing
in March or in April, and all of those games
somebody gets hurt, somebody gets suspended, somebody gets in the doghouse.
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You're gonna get your opportunity. Well, the same goes for
the National Football League. What the what's the expressions? Water
finds its level? I watched the Eagles come from behind
last night, and granted, everybody's making fun of Daniel Jones
tripping over the thirty yard line. It was funny. I
should point out that one of the things that missed
(06:38):
is Daniel Jones is running. By dudes, that guy is
a great athlete. I heard a friend I'm not gonna
name names who hosts the radio show, who was like, yeah,
I look like an uncle at a barbecue, you know,
running and he's drunk. And he's like, no, no, uncle
runs a four five and is running away from defensive backs. Yes,
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he tripped and fell and it was embarrassing, but that
dude's got some wheels. But the point is that instead
of giving up on the Eagles season when they had
that disastrous start and they had a surefire win and
then all their offensive lineman went down and people were
down on Carson Wentz and some were suggesting that you
go and turn to Jalen Hurts and you have him,
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you know, and you have him play for you go
with the young kid, and you run this more simple
offense and and now the season's long, dude, and instead
of having in fighting and quotes of guys that don't
like the way that Carson Wentz is playing or the
fourth down play call that Doug Peterson called, instead the
Eagles figured they woke up today like, hey, we're two
(07:42):
four and one, well right there in first place in
the NFC East. We're gonna get healthier. Carson Wentz is
playing better, our defensive front is still pretty good. The
Cowboys are miss the Giants can't win any of these
close games, and the Redskins have no chance. Like this
is Carson Wentz after the game. Game the same thing
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that I echo every game when we're down here. Just
keep believing, just one play at a time, and the
big play is gonna hit. It's gonna happen. And John
had the big one on that first drive, and obviously
Boston the second driving, and guys just keep believing and
keep rallying together. And that's what it's gonna take to
win a lot of these ball games. It's it's really true.
It's a it's a it's a cliche, right, you know,
or it's a it's actually so don't stop thinking about tomorrow,
(08:26):
right right, Like, but it's you know, um, what's the
what's the other one? Um? What was the when the
White Sox used when they won the World Series? Right? Not,
don't stop believing, don't by journey, right, don't stop believing
by journey, but the the idea is still the same, like, look,
it's a long see the games are long, there are
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there is time to make comebacks, believe it or not.
And if you keep the faith, if you keep believing
in each other and what you're doing, and you have
a coaching staff that figures it out, like, that's part
of what's happened here. I that was the reason I
know the Eagles didn't cover. But my logic behind the
(09:10):
Eagles winning last night was I watched them against the
Ravens kind of same thing where they couldn't have looked
worse in the first half, but clearly they got together
at halftime and said, well, if we do this, this
and this, we'll start to move the ball. We'll take
some deep shots, we'll find some mismatches cars, you can
throw it up to our bigger wide receivers and let's
make some place. And damn they should have tied that game.
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One bad play call on a read option. You know
they had a bad staff and he runs into his
running back. But they don't have their running back, they
don't have their tight end, they don't have their top
two wide receivers, they don't have their offensive lineman, and
you know what, they just kept playing and so much
kind of the opposite of parenting, where the days are
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are long but the years go quick. This year is
gonna be long long. You know. It started with some
guys opting out. Then you had teams not really ready
to play because of the lack of preseason games and
no O T A s. You had massive, massive injuries.
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You know, last two drives Carson Wentz five for seven
d two pass yards are twenty one past yards, two touchdowns,
hundred fifty three three pass rating. Like I think Carson
Wentz is terrific. I think the Eagles have their quarterback,
and I get that Doug Peterson cannot be a little
bit all over the map, but if you've watched the
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past couple of weeks, they're figuring it out. The ability
to adjust on the fly, the ability to say, hey,
that game plan we came in with was wrong, this
is the right way. That's the stuff that wins you
games in the long run. The long play is the
smart play. So I don't know if you want to
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go don't stop believing or whatever it is, but but
I think I think the games are long, and this
year is long, and this year is long, and instead
of soaking it up and enjoying it because it will
be gone into heartbeat much the way that your child
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kids childhood is. I think you just got to look
at the big picture instead of the short term picture.
Not to freak out over one loss, not to freak
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you don't remember, like a J. Prasinski. This is like
their the their theme song. I know this when this
was this was actually the theme song for Clinton when
he when on re election campaign, not his election. I
saw him speaking Santa Barbara. I was in high school.
I got in the car my high school girlfriend and
I we drove up to UM Santa Barbara City College
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and he he spoke and he was, I mean, dam
me to this song. But he was definitely doing white
Man's over, you know, not quite as not quite as
uncomfortable as as Trump the other day. Without Yeah, it
was a tough one, you know, but I mean like look,
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uh you know, you're seventy one year old. Seventy one
year old, you know, white golf dude, like that's that's
it was every cliche ever, right. What was Mark Batson's problem?
Remember him in the Lakers dance parade? Mark Matson? Yeah,
he he didn't have any a lot going on there neither.
He was a lot younger than either. Yes, no, no,
(12:52):
no excuse, no excuse, I mean bad parenting. What it is.
Mark's a beautiful guy. He's a great human being. I
argue it was real quick my Mark Matson story. So
I three different offseasons I got it was like on
some level training with the Lakers. One year I was
on the summer League team. Um. All three years I
would be in this. They'd have this um like free
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agent mini camp the week or two weeks before they
were going to Hawaii for their actual camp. I never
made the camp, okay, but the guy organization was great
and I got to like, you know, he ended up
getting to know kind of everybody in there. And mad
Dog was there all three years and you know, at
the time he still he drove a white minivan. He
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was just the greatest, you know, this kind of guy
that you'd work out. You'd have a practice and you
work out. And because mad Dog was on the team
and playing only really he played a little bit with
us in Devin George rather than that, but he like,
you know, he was making better money than the rest
of us, and he like, you guys want to go
to lunch, and you know, he got down the street
to the sandwich shop, take you in his minivan and
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pick up and drop you off of your hotel, which
right next to practicaility. Just a nice guy. It's not
I mean, honestly, most pro athletes, especially down the pecking order,
Derek Fisher's the great dudes like Fish would come in
there at the time. You know, he's a starting point
guard of the NBA champion Lakers, and you know, you
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want to get lifted, you wanna get some shots up.
And we had a mutual friend Adrian Peterson, who I
played with um in college at Ocahm States from North
Little Rock, and they grew up through the same a
Arkansas wings AU program. Why think Fish as dad coached anyway,
So I mean, so we had like a loose connection,
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but really good people. Most professional athletes are really good people.
And what it's it's interesting because when I lash out
at an Odell Beckham Jr. Most guys like, yeah, he's like,
you're a terrible teammate if when your team is born
to two you just lost the game, and three you're
making an about yourself. Um. But but one of the
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reasons that I'm so bothered by it is I not
like most dudes are really good dudes. And I don't
think Odell Beckham Jr. Is a bad dude per se.
He's just kind of the classic cliche super selfish wide
receiver that thinks everything every game revolves around his happiness
and success, and that's not even close to accurate. But
my experience with pro athletes is most of them are
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really good guys because they've they're not only from different backgrounds,
but they people they play with it from different backgrounds,
and in order to be successful, unlike like tennis players,
you have to learn to work with people. It's there's
a group of young NBA players that I think are
struggling with this because they've kind of been bubble boys
(15:48):
where their dads have raised them to be NBA stars,
and they are in terms of you know, Michael Porter Jr.
Trey Young's like this where their dads have been a
little bit overprotective to keep them away from some of
the illicit elements of sport. But because they've done that,
they haven't been around people enough each other. But like
(16:09):
not around various teams. They don't have sleepovers when their
kids like, there's a certain whereas most of the guys
I came into contact with, I gotta tell you I
really like and I still do really like them. I
don't know how I got on that tangent. When a
train is a vehicle or a railway crossing, the results
are often deadly. Be cautious at crossings, and if the
signals are going, don't be tempted to try and sneak
(16:30):
across the tracks even if you don't see a train stop.
Trains can't pay for by NITZA. The Jets don't have
anybody on staff who has a legit shot at at
at being the next head coach. Right so I believe
my guess is that Joe Douglas is not going to
(16:51):
make a coaching change right now. I do think eventually
he'll make a coaching change, um, but I don't think
it's right now. I do think it will happen eventually.
And here's the logic, and I mean not only happened eventually,
but happened before the season is done. You're like, wait,
why would they make an in season coaching change and
not make it now. The reason you make it before
(17:11):
the season ends is you want They're gonna want Woody
Johnson when he comes back from from Ireland or whatever.
You're they're going to investigate various candidates. Maybe go see
them coach in person, go talk to people, meet with people.
Really make it a well rounded search to find who
the right guy is because it's pretty obvious Adam Gates
(17:32):
is not Joe Dougs. But you can't do that when
you have a current head coach. You can, but when
that gets back to people, it just looks bad. So
when I look at the Jets and I think, Okay, well,
is he coaching for his job this week because they're
coaching against the Buffalo Bills, I don't think the answer
is yes. Um My guest would be, it's you're talking
(17:52):
about the last three or four games of the season,
So at o N six, you got you know they're
not beating Kansas City next week. The doubtful in terms
of new England the week after that, then they have
a bye Could you make a coaching change? Then you could,
But do you want to reward Greg Williams? Is that
what you want to do? Like the defense has been
bad and he's not. He can be seen as a
(18:16):
bit of a divisive force. Um. I don't know if
you guys know this, but I mean, listen to the
Jets schedule at the end of the season. Raiders at
Seahawks at Rams, Browns at New England. I mean, you're
gonna take over his interim coach. You're not gonna win
(18:37):
any games. So my guess is that if they were
to make a change, you can do the bye week,
give a guy legit chance, or more likely you know
you do it, you do it sometime during that tumultuous
run in December. That way, it gives you a chance
to really go out and explore who the possibilities are.
It's gets you Dan Buyer, who is irreplaceable. We're not
(18:59):
gonna wait till the bye week or end of the season.
He's not going anywhere Dan when he got I think
I need about five bye weeks right about now. The
NBA is reportedly looking at starting the season in December.
The athletics is the league is targeting a date of
December twenty to start the season. This is the uh
this Sham's reporting this, and I thought they were doing them,
(19:22):
that they were doing like January. That is not the case. Well,
it's the being discussed today by the Board of Governors.
But the goal, according to the report, would be seventy
two games schedule, maybe a seventy game schedule starting a
few days before Christmas and ending before the Tokyo Summer
Olympics in late July. So they're getting pressure to do
(19:42):
the Olympics. Yeah, it seems to be the case. And
I think that's what's what's at work here, is that
the ratings are terrible. They know they can't drag it
on as long as they did because the ratings are
gonna be bad. So they want to get it done earlier,
and they want to get done for the Olympics because
they need to continue to deve elop their overseas Wosan
ESPN reportered earlier today that it was that the Board
(20:05):
of Governors were looking at a Christmas day start, but
then Sham's had the December twenty two WOLAS then followed
up that the All Star Game in Indianapolis likely and jeopardy.
NBA still considering a play in tournament for the playoffs,
but we could have basketball sooner rather than later. I'm
not sure if that's a great thing or even a
good thing, but that could be the case with the NBA.
(20:26):
It makes league Baseball. Dodgers and race tonight on Fox
seven thirty Eastern, Tom Walker Buller against Charlie Morton series
tied up at a game with Peace roof closed tonight, guys,
possibility of rain in the NFL, Saints gonna be shorthanded.
Wide receiver Emmanuel Sanders placed on the reserve COVID list.
He won't be eligible to play on Sunday. New Orleans
Football reports that Michael Thomas not present during the open
(20:47):
portion of the team's practice. They've got Carolina Bengals without
Joe Mixon not gonna play against the Browns because of
a foot injury. Aaron Jones and the Packers a game
time decision after the running back tweaked his hamstring in
practice yesterday. Sam Donald gonna start for the Jets against
the Bills on Sunday, and the Army Navy game will
be played in December twelve will be played at West Point.
It's called Philadelphia. Have been, No, have not? I would
(21:11):
love to. Yeah, next time you're in on the East coast.
Uh you gotta get to go to West Point. I
should have. That's it was in the name. When we
went to uh US open a couple of years ago.
I was there an extra day and just drove up
and around and yeah, it's a little far from where
we were. We were out on Long Island. We were
pretty pretty far out. Yeah, by the way where we were,
(21:32):
I don't know if you know this. So we're close
to the Hampton's. The value in those homes in the
Hampton's has gone up, like okay, so I know what happens.
A lot of people they think like every home in
the Hamptons is like something out of Ballers or something
at it's like some but it's not. There's lots of
really cute homes and you know, but you you can't.
It's really hard to It's it's far from New York City.
(21:53):
It's a good two and a half three hours with
no traffic um when you get way out there on
but now because people are working at home, like it's crazy,
those same suburbs and I used to live in the
suburbs in Connecticut. All the housing values are just through
the roof. And I'll be interested to see if people
move back to New York City. That's interesting. The day
after the US Open when we did, yeah, I took
a drive to see where the Orange County Choppers show.
(22:15):
That's so, that's why I was in the West Point area.
But where is where? I'm trying to think Orange County,
New York is, Well, yeah, it's probably I would say
it's maybe about twenty minutes from West Point about west Point,
so I haven't been a long time. Um, there's a
guy named what's his name Miller? Um, what's the guy
(22:35):
who he's been on local ready in Los Angeles? Man? Uh, anyway,
he was an assistant at west Point at the time.
I was a kid. Yes, yeah, so I was like, uh,
I don't know, twelve years old. Maybe he was an
assistant west Point. He's like, you told my dad like
where your boys up? And we went and we played
like one on one and two on two because we
(22:57):
go to the city every summer. And we walked around
the campus and I mean it is just magnificent. It
is Oh well, and it's you know, it's a strategic
military location. So you're up on an actual point overlooking um,
overlooking the Hudson and you know, you mean you can
just see four miles and miles and miles anyway, John
(23:21):
Mittlcoff joining US three Now podcast. You've been you've been
to West Point? No, but I went to the Army
Navy game when I lived at Philly and it was
it was awesome. Yeah, It's like, man, I'd really like
to do that, Like, but then you gotta be in
the military. No thanks, those guys, those guys are just yeah, yeah,
well and what you what I don't think people realize
(23:42):
or maybe they do, is like you're incredible students. And
then I've I've done Army games, Navy games, Air Force
games and a bunch of Air Force games, and like
the kids are all incredible, like in just really special
people like you gotta you gotta be wired from different stuff,
not just toughness, but uh, just their intellectual prowessis is
(24:03):
amazing because those are when when I was at when
I was at cal Poly and uh working on the
football program. They're their head coach Rich Ellerson got the
job in Army, and I think he had it for
you know, six or seven years. And I was close
with people on the staff and they were just saying
it was hard to win football games. Obviously, it's it's
it's a challenge, but the people you're around just changed
your life. At the football coaches, you know, just that
(24:25):
the guys that it's just it's an eye opening endeavor
for football people to be around those guys and the
discipline they have, and you know, it's it's cool to
see whenever one of those programs, you know successful. Um, okay,
you're you're taking last da night's game. I have my own,
but I don't want to pollute your thoughts. What's you're
taking last night's game? Yeah, I mean, I think it's
pretty simple. From the Philly standpoint, they're just I mean,
(24:46):
they're playing with me and you right now. I mean,
I think most people listening, obviously me and you do
this for a living. I can't dad these wide receivers.
I had never heard of the full gum guy before
he got the touchdown against the Niners. I thought Richard
Rodgers was out the league. Boston Scott. I had never
heard of him till last year when the Eagles started
playing him, high tower, fifth round kid from Boise. I mean,
(25:07):
we listen, Carson makes bad plays, but no one can
argue his like the overwhelming majority of the NFL would
take the guy in a heartbeat. And you know he
he gets some hero ball syndrome, which I think happens
to like NBA players on bad teams. But I'm not
big into paying thirty thirty five million dollars from most
quarterbacks like Jared gott Dak Prescott. I have no problem
(25:29):
doing it for Russ and Rogers and the top guys.
I can live with it with Carson Wentz. And I
know people push back on it, but it just just
watched the guy. I mean, he's not he has to.
Him and Jason Kelsey are the only guys left from
week once that are started. And obviously a lot of
those guys didn't make it. I mean, look at Blaine
john he can barely walk. I mean, he's he's probably nothing.
(25:51):
But I commend the guy stuffing just but he's probably
a liability out there when he's playing like that. And
uh and yeah, I mean Carson just made some big
time plays at the end. And listen, I was hard
on Joe Judge in the in the train camp when
he's making the coaches run. But you watch their team,
I mean they play hard. Yeah, they don't have much talent.
Getleman's terrible, So I mean that the rosters awful. But
(26:13):
I can think Joe Judge can just the effort of
his team. That's really all you can judge, right on
a bad team, how hard they play. And Okay, so
so there's there's like there's a couple of different parts
to it. Three ounce the podcast. She's downloaded. It's awesome.
You learned so much from John Middle co former scout
in the National Football League. Um, okay, so let' let's
start with the Eagles, Like I'm not only impressed with wins,
(26:33):
I'm actually impressed with Doug Peterson. Like the last two
games are kind of the same in that the last
three they seem to I don't love their game plans,
but they seem to figure it out, like get in
the locker room, go like all right, let's figure it
out here, and kind of a jigsaw puzzle and they
put together and then yeah they're like they hell, they
should have put the Ravens in overtime, And I mean,
you want to talk about a talent mismatch as Night
and Day, right, I think the only not I'm done
(26:58):
right point, Well, what you think about way they are
in so many third and ones, So he's using I mean,
what's the two point play? It's really just a short
yard to play. You know that they're using those constantly.
You know, a lot of good teams or just successful
offenses get a lot of first downs on second down. Well,
it's hard for the Eagles because they're playing with again,
(27:21):
people we've never heard of. And at the end of
the day, Carson, I mean Aikman Castan last night, he's
still sore from the game because if you watch the
Raven game, he was getting Pepper. And the one thing
I think Carson's really done to just no one could
argue this now, is he's entered in the past the
question he gets pep pretty back up tough, No, it's
(27:43):
it's um okay. What what about Gentleman, Like you know,
Gettleman was so confident to the point of being arrogant. Yeah, like,
what do you do with you that you just ride
it out with gentleman and see what he does this offseason?
Because I do actually like Daniel Jones. Um, and I
love I like the selection of Joe Judge because the
guys do play hard, they compete for him. Um. So
(28:07):
and those are you know, those are both Dave Gentleman picks,
you know. And I like Sayclon Barkley. I just wouldn't
take any running back at number two. And now you're
gonna have to pay him coming off an injury. Uh,
what do you do if you're the Giants? I actually
think that Daniel Jones has a little Alex Smith to him.
He's athletic, really athletic, like he was running by dudes
on that run where people clowned him on like he
(28:28):
was running by dudes. Al Right, what what is going
on in middlehouse? Phone phone? Okay, here's what we're gonna
Here's what we're gonna do. Here's we're gonna do. Okay,
I want more time with Milkcoff. I got a lot
more phones, so well, coming up next, John Middlecoff will
join us. I want to get his thoughts on what
a front office and coaches are said, would really say
about Odell Beckham Jr. Plus Um, all right, what do
(28:51):
we do now if we're Jerry Jones and the Cowboys
and you've heard players speak out that coaches don't know
what they're doing? How do you? How do you adjust?
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Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Um Man, there's a lot
of things I like talking to John middle Coffe rejoins
US three and outs the podcast. He's decided to use
a modern cell service. Now, Um, okay, let's know. I
(30:22):
gotta tell it myself. I'm in Santa Cruz for the
weekend and my phone was directly into the sun. And
you ever had when your phone overheat burns off? So
we just I looked down. It was just black. It
said overheat. So I said, that's not good. That's not good. Um.
That was a very much a humble brag with the
Santa Cruz. Yeah, you gotta, you gotta live life a little,
(30:44):
Yeah you do. Um, I know that you're not down
here watching Tiger play at Sherwood, but you don't allow
anyone in. Did you see how bad he was on
par fives yesterday? I mean I saw you see Phil
had a nine today on a par five. These guys
are just I think the guys they try to keep
up with the young cats and they just can't fly
as far and they get behind these trees and in
(31:06):
terrible spots. It's is we have we have lived long enough.
Where Tiger is the When Tiger was the young guy,
we were the young guy. Now now we're the now
we're now they're the old guys. It's a really, really
weird feeling. Um, okay, I got a bunch of things.
Odell Beckham Jr. Takes his cleats off, his helmet off,
pitches a fit because he gets taken out of a game,
(31:27):
and then he's like, I'm tired of being the nice guy.
Then he basically said, hey, nobody says anything when Tom
Brady gets mad on the sideline. I mean I thought
it was laughable to me him comparing himself to Tom Brady,
but also Brady is it's all about the team and
winning and trying to get guys to play better, where
O b j. It feels like it's about oh b
(31:49):
j Um, what would you do if you're the Browns?
How do you handle it? Yeah? I mean on the
first part, Tom Brady, there's never been one terse word
from a teammate or coach has ever been around the guy.
So even regardless of the winning or losing, his reputation
as a teammate, wouldn't you say is might be number
one all time? Talk like like if you're gonna if
(32:13):
you're gonna compare yourself to somebody, could you pick out anybody?
Like yeah, that that one you're not gonna not gonna win.
And now look I would, I would. If you want
to say there's a double standard, I'm okay with that.
Everybody knows there's a double standard. Quarterbacks are more important
that and and by the way, judged more harshly than
wide receivers, and thus they're allowed to get away with
(32:36):
have a little bit more leeway. But but the equating
yourself to Tom Brady, Like what are you doing, dude?
Like you do know that everybody respects him because of
his work ethic and his ability to find ways to
motivate guys, even with people who you know, now he
played against Runsan's son, who he played with his dad
at Michigan. Like that's how old that guy is. I know,
it's crazy. On the trade runt, you know, I think
(32:58):
we just know who Odell is. He say, very very talented, dude.
He's a front runner when when things are going well,
he's great when they're not he's bad. They're four and two.
They're not two and four. There four and two. I'm
talking about him personally. I understand, I understand, but but
find me a winning team that wants that. Well that
(33:19):
that's who is because his talent in a vacuum. We've
seen glimpses this year kind of get it back like WHOA,
this guy can play and you couldn't trade him for
anything less than probably a first round pick because this
talent would you know, demand that type of compensation. The
problem is, like you said, who is trading that? Because
(33:40):
you can be like, well, Middlecoff, the Seattle's about to
sign Antonio Brown, Yeah for nothing. You know, you don't
have to give up anything, so you know, you deal.
Every team in the league would take Odell Beckham, but
not for a first round pick. Plus he's making and
he's making a lot of money too. I think the
Browns are kind of stuck with him, and which isn't
a bad thing. The problem is their quarterback him on
(34:00):
an ideal match. So I just think you have to
write it out and maybe in the off season if
O'Dell can make some plays down the stretch, which you know,
I I think they're probably gonna win nine or ten games,
but they're not gonna play very well against the good
teams and probably be a one and done team if
they make the playoffs. So if anything gonna change that much,
he might just be an embarrass to the Brown GM.
(34:21):
He didn't make this move right. This was a John Dorsey,
you know, big eel move, which at the time I
thought they didn't even give up that much that it
just turned out the problem was their quarterback and him.
Don't make any sense that they're not they're there. Baker
can't throw the ball down field, doesn't have a great arm,
and he can't scramble, and he plays live and O'Dell
needs a big arm quarterbacks. Why we had moments of
(34:43):
brilliant Eli, who at the time hadn't quite fallen off
a clip. Eli could always throw the ball down the
field right, you could throw bombs, and O'Dell Beckham that
to me, he needs to be with the Josh. Look
at Dick's right now with Josh Allen. I mean you
just to look up every player's throwing a dick like
that's what they need. O'Dell. These find that the problem
is he's kind of just stuck in Cleveland. I don't
think a trade. It is happening. And you know what's
(35:05):
kind of crazy is depending on how this Raider games
plays out on Sunday, if they played or whatever gets
pushed back next week, the Browns Raiders could kind of
be a huge swing game for that seventh seats because
one of those two teams, in my opinion, probably ends
up with that you know, nine, nine and seven, maybe
tenants six, and that game could be for the playoffs
(35:26):
because if they end up with the same record, the
tiebreaker would be, you know, head to hit. It's it's
it's really into John Midikoff joining us right now? Is
is the podcast? What do you think about that Raiders
thing where um, you know, they may have violence, some
COVID rules than Trent Brown has it. They send everybody
else home like we're gonna have a football game here Sunday. Yeah,
(35:47):
I mean to me, Doug even goes back. Darren Waller,
who is a great story overcame drug addiction, has become
a pro bowler. The Raiders, you know, it feels like
they got it a little more together, right. Mayox impressive,
cruis impress but their details, like they threw a a
fund raiser with a bunch of people. All their players
(36:07):
went and they got in trouble, and it's like, once
Trent Brown gets it and he's at practice, how are
you not? And they were already in that double secret,
you know, protocol because they had already had some tests
and the fines, so they were being watched really closely.
I don't understand how there aren't people in this organization.
All my friends, everyone I talked to around the league,
(36:27):
they go, God, this is we take this up really seriously.
Every time I'm at my death the only time I
can take it off and I find myself no one's around.
If I go to the bathroom, I can test it
every day, and I'm just like, every story that comes
up about the Raiders is like Lucy Goosey. Whether you
believe or whatever you think about this, it's not even
about that. It's about the money, getting the game and
following the rules, which wouldn't you say. It feels like
(36:50):
ninety eight point eight percent of players, they're falling in
pretty tightly because they understand what's on the line in
terms of their money. And Trent Brown has been a
disaster for the Raiders this year. Uh, he had some
weird injury that I think rubbed the coach is the
wrong way early. Now he does this and he like
their highest character guy on the team is not is
Derek Carr and Rodney Hudson. And now Rodney Hudson is
(37:13):
sitting at home because of Trent Brown. Gave Jackson Colton Miller.
Like their offensive line is really really like impressive individuals
and they got taken down because of Trent Brown. It's
really not funny. And also, like I the Raider fans
would say, the league doesn't care about it, and I
think it's fair to say, yeah, they probably don't because
they want Tom Brady to play. Um, okay, what do
(37:34):
we make of the Michael Thomas thing. Right, it's the ankle,
then it's a fight, Now it's a hamstring. Like this
dude got the biggest check of wide receiver has ever
gotten and now we've only seen him once. It's weird
because I would have thought just watching him play, he
was just the ferocity and the intensity, like it was
like this guy is going to translate weather gets paid
(37:54):
or like this games and his game is not gonna change. Right,
Like you watch Savante, You watched Keenan Alan like they
have played the same whether the checks were different or what.
You know, it hasn't impacted their game. Even Julio, this
guy kind of fallen off the rouse, like what is
going on? I mean, I don't the the incident where
you've punched the teammate to me doesn't pass the smell
(38:16):
test because there are guys that get punched throughout the
season in any sports, right and never been on a
team that didn't have a fight. And think about this.
It wasn't Michael Thomas punching Cam Jordan's right or Drew Brees,
like two of the elites on the team. It was
some guy. It was a practice squad. It's like, what
so they're leaning with the practice. Clearly this guy is
not listening to anyone and then he gets this injury.
(38:38):
Is the is the injury kind of like screw you
to the Saints. It already feels like the relationship is
a little like is not in a good place. I
don't understand. I don't know because I think sometimes and
he gets back to wide receivers, they get in their
own head that they they sometimes with their own worst enemies.
(38:58):
And I wouldn't assume this guy would have been apt. Now,
granted I didn't follow his like personal life that closely,
but this I can't imagine Sean Paid does not happy
with the way the situation play. That I got like
a minute left, I want to I I got a couple
of others. What happens to Green Bay this week? They
just collapsed after getting up to nothing? Yeah, I mean,
this is a total get right game. Houston's defense is awful.
(39:18):
You know, I'd expect Rogers to throw three or four
touchdowns them to win. That definitely cover the spread to
meet Houston is not any good. Um, Okay, how important
is this game for Jimmy Garoppolo really important? I mean,
he has not played well this year at all? And uh,
the one thing you say about the Patriots, their offense
thinks right now. Their defense doesn't have players we recognize,
but their defense is played well and Kyle Shanahan to
(39:42):
win games this year because their defense is going to
have to let Jimmy throw. And now this week they
might be able to get by just because uh, I
almost called the Carolina cam and the offense can't score.
But they got the Saints, they got the Packers, they
got Seattle next week, like, you better start figuring out
this passing game or you are not making a playoff.
Does McCarthy make it the year two? Uh? Not at
(40:03):
this taste. I mean not, I faith. It's one thing
to lose, right, it's another thing to look lifeless and
poorly coached. And that's I mean, any casual football fan
can be like that's a joke, so they better pick
up the effort. Or yeah, I would say bye bye. Audios,
Mike McCarthy. Awesome stuff, Thanks so much for joining us. John.
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