October 21, 2020 • 36 mins
Doug responds to Mike McCarthy’s comments addressing anonymous reports where Cowboy players said the coaching staff is unprepared and why the entire organization needs a culture change. Plus, Daniel Jeremiah from the NFL Network joins the show to discuss the Dolphins benching Ryan Fitzpatrick in favor of Tua Tagovailoa.
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Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio? You know, Um, we we
do this thing as as guys, and I don't. I don't.
I don't want to chastise you because you may not
be like me. But we have to learn accountability, right
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we just I feel like we do. And it's a
hard thing, especially your kids nowadays, because I don't know
if it's how we were brought up, and but you know,
when a kid gets I said, when we got in
trouble in school, John, do you ever get in trouble
in school? You strike me as somebody who ever got
in trouble? I would say, no, I do. One time
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I was late for school, we went to McDonald's before class,
and the principle of uh detention or whatever, I went
to McDonald's and found us there, so that I did
get in trouble for but for ninetent a time I
did not. I can't lie I did get in trouble um,
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and I can tell you that any time I got
in trouble, there was hell to pay at home and
there was never any of this like of the teacher. Now,
kid gets in trouble and most parents will say, like,
you know, the teachers just unreasonable, or they'll they'll call
the principle about the teacher, just to make sure that
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the teachers on the up and up. And look, I'll
be you know, I'm probably letting you in on too much.
We had an issue are our first year in California
where my son was actually called in because there was
an incident where a teacher, his teacher had allegedly pushed
another kid and like you know, at the time was
he like eight years old, like you know, just tell
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the truth, and he said what he saw, that was it.
So sometimes it has been the teacher a little bit,
but not every time. And we see this. I coach
au basketball, you know, when the kid plays poorly, it's
something about the coach or about the other kids. We
don't we don't teach them that. Sometimes it's you, like
I think is as adult males, you know, you go
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if you ever gone into therapy, like at some point
you gotta go like, yeah, hey, you know what, I
am kind of a pay in the ass. I do
this and my relationships may go sideways because of me,
not because well she's crazy, right, Like guys always say,
well she's crazy, Well maybe you made her crazy, right.
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It's interesting we're in this place with the Dallas Cowboys
where they're a mess and it's really hard to tell
are they this bad or are they just so injured
that they can never get to whatever potential they had previously.
Yesterday there was a story James Slater's a friend of
the program works the NFL Network. She plus also has
the Boys and Girl podcast for the Dallas Cowboys that's
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on the HERD podcast Now work um. James Slater broke
the story. She had a quote from an unnamed player
who said, you know, they're not teaching us, they're not
good at their jobs. This is Mike McCarthy responding to
those reports. You don't want to be stubborn and just
do things to do things, and and that's why I
think it's important for all of our players and coaches
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and and something enough stated in the first meeting, let's
just handle these things as men. Let's let's talk to
one another. I'm your guy. I mean, I'll talk to
Anyboddy you know in our in our inner circle men.
I'll either agree or disagree with you, And I think
it's important. But the end of day, it's about winning.
We're in a business and put players in position to win.
Uh So that's a non answering and said basically saying, really,
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you're gonna go to a reporter instead of airing those
grievances in one of our meeting rooms, right, Like, what
are you doing? Which I would I would agree with
you know, if you if you challenge coaches, especially and
you know we we don't actually talk about this lot,
but I think if you challenge coaches, like, the first
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thing you should do if you think your coach doesn't
know what he's doing, or if he's putting in a
bad position, the first thing you should do is you
go and sit with that coach in his office, like
can I can we have an open discussion about something
just something I've seen. The second chance you have is
in your position meeting group meetings where you can air
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your grievances. You have to do it kind of politically correctly.
You can't just go like, well this won't work. That
didn't work, that's on you, guys. The third chance you
have is in any sort of team meetings, and of
course you can be very vague. Hey, you know just this,
everybody is aware, like some of the stuff we don't
really understand. It's new to us and we don't and
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we're not sure if it's being taught. Maybe we can
slow down and break down and go back over things.
If all of those are exhausted and then you go
to the head coach and there's no change, well then yeah,
like you're like, look, I brought it up in my coach,
my position coach, in the meeting room with the defense,
with the head coach, I've done it over the last
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couple of weeks and nothing has changed, Well then yeah,
by all means, if you want to go and tell
Jane Slater like we've been working on this and they're
not getting any better, We're not getting any better. I
find it. I don't find it irresponsible to go to
the media if you are five weeks into a season
with a new coaching staff. When you didn't have O. T. A. S.
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You didn't have a normal traditional training camp, you didn't
have preseason games, and you haven't aired those grievances with
all of those different layers yet. Then you know what,
You're out a line going to the media and I'm
not one of these. You have to be a name source.
Sky deep Throat was not a name source, and that
seemed that seemed to be credible and brought down the president.
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But there's something kind of bigger at play here. This
is one of those. At some point in time, it's
not just the players or the coaches. At some point
in time, it's the culture. How else can you explain
not look the Cowboys and this is always interesting. Everybody said,
Jason Garrett can't coach, Like, do you realize that they
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were as good the last five years as they've been since?
Over the last five years they wont nine, ten, eight,
And if you go back to the last year Romo
was healthy, twelve and then four when it was Wheden
and Matt Castle and other guys. All right, um, if
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you if you go back that year, whe we won
four games. But if we realized since that was the
last year that they had back to back ten win seasons.
I was a freshman in college in Okay, now here's okay.
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You want to say the league is really hard, couldn't
go anymore. League's very very difficult, very difficult. All right,
Let's take a look at I don't know the Pittsburgh Steelers. Right,
the Pittsburgh Steelers. Let's look at their team and their
franchise index. Right, the Pittsburgh Steelers. They had four straight
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ten win seasons up until three years ago, and last
year they only won eight games, even though they played
two quarterbacks after Ben Roethlisberger got hurt. And now that
we're any good that that's about culture. Six different times
of Steelers have had back to back, uh double digit
win seasons since two thousand. The Dallas Cowboys since two
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thousands have had zero. Now, part of it is they
haven't changed they only changed coaches once. Part of is
that's how ownership is. They're built around their defense. They're
not flashy, they don't sign free agents for the most part,
like all of these things. But there's something to your
culture and the accountability of hey, we screwed up, let's
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go get better. Hey, we don't know what we're doing.
Let's talk about it. I mean, the last guy to
call out anybody on the Pittsburgh Steelers was Antonio Brown.
Notice he's not on the Pittsburgh Steelers anymore, you know.
I mean the same is true for the Patriots. Look
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how many ten consecutive ten win seasons they've had. That's
the sign of a great season in the NFL. Everyone
else is between seven and nine and nine and seven.
You in ten games, You've done Upton special. Patriots won
ten games in that Castle's quarterback. There's something to the
culture of Dallas, the idea that you know, he screw up,
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you're still Jerry is still gonna get take care of you.
You're still a cowboy. You know, as long as you
can make plays, they'll find a home for you. It's
just fascinating me on how it doesn't really matter who
the coaches. You can sit here and tell me, well,
Mike McCarthy is not a high end coach, and it's
Jerry who screws it up because he won't hire a
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big time coach like Okay, well, you know I hate
to be that guy. But Bill Parcels was the head
coach for UH four years in Dallas, and he got
frustrated because, I mean, I know Romo dropped the snap
in in the playoff game in Parcels uh last year
there when they lost in Seattle in the wild card,
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and Parcels as good a coach he is ten wins,
six wins, nine wins, nine wins. Wade Phillips, Jason Garrett,
now Mike McCarthy, Chan Gailey, none of them can solve
the riddle why, because this starts at the top of
their culture. You have an owner that that rewards great talent,
not necessarily great teammates. How many times do we have
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to see it to realize that's exactly what it is?
And I could use all kinds of stats, I could
be critical. I don't like the Mike Nolan higher. I'm
not sure if the game's passed him by, but there's
a reason that he hadn't he hadn't sniffed a coordinator job,
and it was payback for him hiring Mike McCarthy way
back in the day. All of that said, yes, injuries
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play a major factor, but the other factor is you
just don't have a culture where players are held accountable.
You don't have a culture where players are called out
where players, if you don't know what you're supposed to
be doing, well am it. You might do the wrong thing,
but you'll at least do it hard. This team, if
they don't know what they're supposed to be, if they're
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in the wrong gap, they just quit. They quit on
their coaches, which does not bode well for Mike McCarthy
in the short and long term, but also speaks poorly
of the organization as a whole. Coming up next, a
former NFL player suggesting Trevor Lawrence should go back to
Clemson for another season if the Jets finished winless and
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have his essentially his draft rights. I'll tell you why
that's absurd. Next, be sure to catch the live edition
of The Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at three p m.
Easter noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I
Heart Radio Whap Doug Gollip Show here on Fox Sports Radio,
the Big Leads website. Jason McIntyre started. I think he
sold it right now he does the Straight Fire podcast. Anyway,
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this is Roddy White. Gave a long time NFL wide receiver,
Roddy White on Clemson quite about Trevor Lawrence. If the
Jets get the first big. Don't go, just stay. Just
stay one when you're in college and just enjoy your time. Man,
Just enjoy you to have a college because it would
be awful for you to get drafted by the Jets
because they don't not know how to put anything together
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over there as far as quarterbacking, as far as weapons
around the quarterback, as far as anything that has to
do with offensive thing talent. They can draft defensively, and
they do a hell of a job on that side
of the ball. As far as offense. Man, that team
is just bad at picking players. Yeah, listen, I don't
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dispute that. But again, first of all, Joe Douglas is
not responsible for every guy on that roster. It's been
the GM for like two years now, and he picked
up very good left tackle. Do I think they put
enough weaponry around Sam Donald? The answer is absolutely not.
But again, let me remind you what you're suggesting. You're
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suggesting that Trevor Lawrence should be the number one overall
pick would go back to Clemson, where all you can
do is hurt your draft stock. That's it. There's nothing
else you you cannot help your All you can do
is hurt your draft stock if you go back. Secondly,
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it's the number one media market in the country, right,
Like we're the Chargers poorly run? Not really, I mean
a j Smith wasn't that well loved when Eli Manning
and his dad kind of held him hostage and they
made a trade. But part of it was the managers
want to get to New York. Mission accomplished two Super Bowls.
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The Giants are seen as a better running organization. But
the Giants are down the dip. But here's the here's
the big thing. Okay, let's say it's not the Jets.
Who else needs a quarterback? The Redskins? Do they have
a great team? The Giants? Right, they drafted see Kawon Berkley.
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Who's hurt? They traded away their current GM trade away
Odell Beckham Jr. So if it was about drafting and
keeping players, they got rid of one of the elite
wide receivers in the NFL. Well, let's go through the
worst teams in the league. Right. If it's the Eagles,
I don't think they're placing Carson Wentz, but it's not
for lack of trying. They've gone out and they drafted
like six wide receivers. Any team you go to in
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the bottom five of the NFL draft, for the most part,
is going to be terrible, and you're terrible for a
litany of reasons. But I would also point out that
the Jets have had success. They were in back to
back ANFC championship games within the last what ten years
or so? And oh yeah, by the way, if Trevor
Lawrence really doesn't want to play for the Jets, I'm
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sure for Pirates Bounty they would trade the rights to
that pick. They absolutely would, which is what I would
do if I was the Jets. But we we do
these things where we you know, it's Stephen a saying
Odell Beckham Jr. Should want to be traded. That's great,
They're not trading him. Trevor Lawrence should go back to school,
that's great. But guess what's not happening. Trevor Lawrence is
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not going back for another year. You know, It's just
it's just not gonna happen. We say dumb things that
have no like no one. I guess I'm like the
only guy. And I like Karadi White. I got nothing
against him. I love to have him on. But the
reality is Trevor Lawrence is gone. It's not coming back.
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The only question is who's going to draft him or
they gonna trade his rights to somebody who's gonna have
to load up and and move heaven and Earth to
get him. Be sure to catch the live edition of
The Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at three p m.
Easter Noon Pacific. The one only Daniel Jeremiah joins us
Move the Sticks as the podcast. He also does the
Amazon Prime. It's kind of like a mystery science the
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here at three thousand watching the football games. They did
that special edition on Monday night. He does a lot
of things. Broadcast the Chargers game. Uh, let me start
with the story of yesterday, which is two a tongue
of violoa name a starter, And this is Ryan Fitzpatrick
earlier today. This profession is interesting and that I got
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basically got fired yesterday, and then my day of work
today consisted of me in zoom meetings listening to the
guy that fired me, and then you know, locked in
a spaced out room, you know, with my replacement for
four hours today. So there aren't a whole lot of
jobs that are like that. He did not sound pleased
as punch. He sounded he was really surprised because he's played. Well,
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what's your reaction to the timing of the decision and
the reason the logic behind the decision. Well, I I
totally understand where Fitz is coming from and being frustrated,
But to me, I think it was the right decision.
And the reason I say that, Doug is because there's
you have to make a decision for the Miami Dolphins.
Do you wanna do you want to chase a T
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shirt that says you got in as a wild card
him or you want to chase the title and try
and build the team that can eventually win the championship.
When you when you think about the ultimate goal of
building a championship team, one of the easiest ways to
do that, one of the best ways, I should say,
to do that is to get that accomplished while you
have a rookie on that first contract where you can
build up around him. So the clock has already started
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once they took two of in the draft. So once
he proved that a he was healthy, be that he
knew the offense well enough to be successful, and see
that he would be able to handle some of the
adversities that's going to come along with some of the
initial struggles. You've got to put him out on the
field and let him start getting those valuable reps so
that you can get him up to speed and you
have a chance to you know, chase the bigger prizes
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as you go forward. And it's to me, it's a
long term decision, and I think it was the right one. Um,
can't you do both? I mean the Kncie Chiefs did both.
They sat my homes the first year, played in Week seventeen,
went to the playoffs, didn't accomplish much. Then the second
year they turned it over to him. Can't you do both?
I think it's totally different. I think, first of all,
Patrick mahomes Um had a lot more um to develop
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in terms of where he was when he entered the league.
I mean, he couldn't spit out a play call when
he first got there. We see the m v P
that he is now um, but he had he had
further ground to go. That was a team that was
capable of being, you know, a team capable making a
run to be in a conference championship game type talent
there with Kansas City. If this Miami team is not
at that level, and I think two was more equipped
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to get on the field and play right away. So um,
I think it's a little bit different. And I just
think you want to get him up up to speed
and get him get him rolling. I don't think the
you know, I think it's gonna be a little bit
of a drop off initially from fits to TOA. But
I don't think it's gonna be much. I tend to
agree and people forget that fits his thirty seven. It's
not like he's, you know, in his prime. But but
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he he seemed really surprised by it. I guess he
probably expected it to happen if he was playing poorly.
Keep in mind, he was playing against the Jets and
they got a bye week. And I feel like this
is a little bit predetermined. Danta Jeremiah joining us in
the Doug Gotled show on Fox Sport Trading. By the way,
do you have Dodger fever yet? And Mr Padre fan
so gross? Uh? I know, I thought you would have
been an angel I am. I am an angel fan.
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But here's my logic behind it. Like I got, I
got no bones to pick with Clayton Kershaw. I just
I feel like the dude has been he was overused
so often and he made some mistakes and I kind
of want to see him win it. Plus, I feel
like the Astros, that Astro World Series is tainted, and
this would one further tainted, but it would it would
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write a little bit of a wrong if they won.
I like the Dodgers. I love the Angels. Yeah, I mean, look,
it's somebody that you grew up in San Diego. Your
conditioned to just hate everything about the Dodgers. But I
will say, um, it's Clayton Kershaw is easy to like. Um,
And I would say Mookie Betts is impossible to hate.
I mean, like Mookie Bets is so so good and
so fun to watch. I mean, I'm sure you can
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do segment after segment about how Boston allowed that to happen.
But you know, look, I have I have a lot
of Dodger uh fan friends, and the people that I'm
friends will actually be happy for them when they want it,
because they've uh you know, we're close and they're good.
They'll be fun for them. But there's another segment of
Dodger fan that's just not obnoxious. It's obnoxious. It's anxious.
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It's those sections. They were all in on Manny World,
and they forget that Manny was the juice said back
when it was it was Manning World. So um, I'm
with you on on that one. Uh. Daniel Jeremiah, our
guest on the Doug Gotlip Show on Fox Sports Radio.
You and I have discussed the Mike nolan higher. Now
you have Mike mccarthur, who has to defend him and
his coaching staff because somebody told Jane Slater our coaches
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are bad at their jobs. How much of it is
mismatched personnel for what they're doing. How much of it
is the coaching and maybe the league passing Mike nolan by,
and how much of it is entitled players lacking effort?
And how much of it is injuries? Because I don't
know anybody who's winning without three offensive lineman the starting quarterback. Yeah,
I mean, it's it's interesting, you know. I answer a
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couple of part of it parts of it here. I can't.
I can't do the injury thing because I mean, I look,
you're gonna we might not win games, but you can't
usually an excuse. The Philadelphia Eagles, I'm getting ready to
do their game for Thursday. They played thirteen offensive linemen
this year, but there one, there, one, three and one, right,
I mean what I'm saying, but can't we can go
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through we can go through all of these teams that
are they're not playing well, and you can say that
they're they're all injury injury teams. YEA fair. No, I
think you can say that they're all having injuries. But
I think the way that it's discussed is that the
Dallas Cowboys are the only team in the National Football
League that's playing without guys, Like everybody is playing without guys.
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The forty Niners obviously have a better football team, but
you look at the guy that they're missing. I mean, so,
I don't know, I just it's a weird year. There's
a lot of injuries all over the league. What on
my point that I'm getting to is we can argue
about is it is that this injury isn't that we
can't argue about the effort that we saw from the
Dallas Cowboys. That we've seen that's indisputable. Now, if you
want to say that the game's passed Mike no One
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by or that he's you know, he's not the right
answer for them, and and the players are upset with him. Yeah,
I get it, maybe you are, maybe has, but I
can't answer that. What I can't answer is you guys
don't play very hard. That's that's what I can Okay,
so so, but do they not play hard because they
don't believe in what they're being told? Do they not
play hard because that Jerry will take care of them
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and have their back eventually? Like or do you if
you're Steve, indeed you cut somebody? You know, you walk
and he just cuts just like you know, it's like
you fire somebody if you own a business. In order
to get get the message through to everybody else, Yeah,
I would probably go that route. I mean, look at
it from basketball. I'd love to get your take on this.
You've been on teams. I'm sure you didn't agree with
where the offense was running or how it was being done.
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Does never excuse you're not hustling to get back on
defense like that stuff Just stuff you're taught when you're
a little kid. Just just hustle. Actually, that's actually I
coach eleven and twelve and thirteen year olds, and I
and and and every game I take out in their
parents like, why did you take him out? I was like, like,
we took him out because it was turnover. Was like, no,
I didn't, No, I didn't. You assumed I did. I
took him out because after he turned to basketball over
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then he looked at me, looked at the ref, did
something with his hands instead of getting his ass back
on defense and helping his teammates out. That's why he
was like, no, you took my kid out because he
missed it the shot Like no, no, it was a
bad shot. It was a terrible shot. It was an
awful shot. I was not happy with the shot. That's all.
I took him out and took him out because if
you don't you can do that, but don't run back
on defense, you're gonna make bad decisions that that's not
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a bad decision, that's the lack of effort. So I
I I get it. I just how did they get
to this point to where you got dudes? I mean
they just look awful. Yeah, they're just not very competitive, So,
you know, I don't know, I don't know what the
right answer is there. I know usually when you have
issues like that, you usually go younger, because you know,
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younger guys were trying to make a name for themselves.
They're hungry and they're they're gonna they might be going
the wrong direction, but they're gonna go there a hundred
miles an hour. What what happened with the Packers? Why
they just melted down after the second pick? What would happen? Well,
I just got beat up up front, you know. I
mean I thought that this that Tampa team dominated the
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line of scrimmage and Ronald Jones ran it down their throats.
I mean that to me would be the Uh that
would be the discouraging thing is having seen what the
Niners did to them and then seeing Tampa who has
a very physical offensive line, and I saw it, and
I saw it in the charging game there and for
Ronald Jones had over hunt yards in that game. So
he's he's rolling right now. But the Packers um as
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good as the quarterback is, and uh, he's tremendous. The
belief around the league and the thought about the Packers
around the league is once it gets into a street
fight and it gets down and dirty and it comes
down to what you have up front on the line
of scrimmage, that they're just not quite good enough. How
does it reflect on Aaron Rodgers. Well, I almost think
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in some ways that it points out that he's been
able to elevate what is not the uh not the
greatest group in front of him, uh that he's had there.
So I think they've they've kind of been labeled as
having one of these, you know, one of the great
offensive line or one of the upper rational and offensive lines.
I think it's just okay, Um, I don't think it's great,
and and I don't think Aaron's you know, capable of
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being able to lift everybody else up around him when
they're getting that dominated up front. And I don't know,
necessarily said a whole lot about Aaron as much as
is what he's got. Doug got leave show here on
Fox Sports Trader that that's the voice of Daniel Jeremiah.
I played the sound of Roddy White saying, Hey, if
I was advising Trevor Lawrence and the Jets get the
number one pick, I'd tell him to stay in school.
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I was like, it sounds cool to say, but that's
not the reality, right, Like, actually, if I'm the Jets,
I trade that pick if I get anyway, because I
still have faith in don't and they have so many
holes that they could show up. But I operate there's
no possible way in which he goes back to school,
is there? I don't think so. And look, I know, um,
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I know their general management very well, been friends for
for twenty years and work together for a long time,
and I know they're they're a complete mess right now.
He had had really much of a chance to put
his imprint on that team. So when I when I
look at it, and I look at somebody who's spent
you know, the majority of his career under Ozzie Newsome
and the most stable franchises in the NFL, and that's
how he's brought up. Joe Douglas is not an idiot.
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And this is a team where if you want to
look at two different scenarios, right say you have the
number one pick and what you were saying, if you
want to, you know, build around Sam, and I'm a
big Sam believer. If you can get the right pieces there,
you could auction. Add off, you're talking about three first
round picks you'd get for that first overall pick. I
mean you get a boatload of picks. But keep in
mind they already have an extra first round pick this
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year and next year from Seattle. So if they let's
say that they want to take Trevor Lawrence one one, right,
do you take Trevor Lawrence. That's one pick. That means
you also have the first pick in the second round,
which is pick thirty three. You've got Seattle's pick, which
is gonna be in the you know, bottom of the
first round. That's three first rounders, and I guarantee you
could trade Sam Donald for a late one to one
of those good teams that would never get a quarterback
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of that quality. So you could start next year with
four of the top thirty three picks to build a
young team with who I I think they have when
he's healthy and he's missed a couple of games here,
McKay Beckton's got a chance to be the best left
tackle in the entire league. So now you've got a
pretty good young nucas and you've got two first round
picks the next year. So I think I think people
look at these situations and think they're eternal, and it's
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like now that they could they could get this thing
turned around. It it's not going to take quite as
long as it as ugly as it looks right now. No,
I I agree. Just you know it's I've I've used
to get in my house painted an analogy. Remember halfway
through I was like painting it back, and you know,
I waited until it was painted and took a took
a lap around it. It's like, you know what, I
actually kind of like it. It's it's hard when when
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a when a rehab project is is halfway done. Dania
Jeremiah guest on the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox
Sports Radio. A couple more kind of kind of quickies
if you will, um, Well, I felt like, you know,
Garoppolo played better, but they're still some frustration there. What's
your sense of Garoppolo and Shanahan in that mix. I
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still doesn't feel like it's long for me. I mean,
it does not feel like this is going to be
something that goes for for a long time. But when
I was thinking about teams for for Sam Donald, if
the Jets did trade him, I mean that to me
would be a perfect spot for somebody like that. I
think Sam Donald is a better player than Jimmy Garoppolo.
It just shows you the difference between situations right of
where you land and who you're around. Um, I just
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I don't get the sense that that Kyle totally trusts him.
I mean, that's that's the sense I come away with
every time I watch I think, and I think everybody
watched the NFC champions game in the Super Bowl and
thought the exact same thing. And it hasn't changed. And
rightfully so, we've seen what happens when he does trust
him is that he makes he makes a bone headed
error or two. Uh O b J takes off his
helmet and his shoes in classic O b J fashion.
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What do you do? If you're Cleveland, You've got to
figure out how to get your quarterbacks play better. He's
just not that good. I don't know. I know, it's
just not that good. Think we talked about it, you remember,
I remember us chatting about that during that draft leading
up to that draft, and the question was with Baker
is look, I think entering into the game, entering into
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the NFL, um he's going to be ahead of some
of these guys and he's gonna have a chance to
have some success early on. But he's hitting his head
on the ceiling like he is what he is. He's
played a lot of football He's played well at the
college level, but he has limitations and I don't know
that your necessary going to see him continue to improve
and get better, and we just haven't seen that. I
think he played his best football is his first year.
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Um So, now you're Cleveland and you're thinking, cheeze, we
thought we finally had one here. You know, it's it's
tough if you don't if you don't hit a home
run when you're taking a quarterback one one, that's a
tough one. DJ, great stuff man. Look forward to hearing
your Thursday night. Thanks so much for joining us on
Fox Sports Radio. All Right, the world's biggest Dodger fan,
Daniel Jeremiah joining us on the Doug Gottlip Show on
(29:54):
Fox Sports Trader that that's getting He's a huge Padre fan.
Bruce Arians had some funny comment about Gronk. I'll share
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time we play for you a portion of a previous
show on Fox Sports Tradio and Fox Sports when we
call it. This is Bruce Arians, who by the way,
was a colleague for a period of time in Fox Sports,
talking DP about Gronk. I think he's playing really, really good.
You know, it's his number. When teams want to double
cover Mike Evans, that kind of hopens up the field
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for Grounk. And uh, and he he was working through
it early in the season. He's he's in great shape.
And uh, I think we're doing a better job of
coaching um him up a little bit. And and Tom too,
as far as when we're seeing different coverages where we
want to go with the ball, is Gronk goofy. He's
he's unusual. He's a hell of a lot of fun. Though, Man,
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here's a hell of a lot of fun. Give me
an example, just talking to him, like, dude, did your
elevator go all the way to the top? I mean,
I'm not sure, but it was fun. I find Gronk
to be actually super bright and engaging and interesting as well.
But yeah, I mean, like it's it's interesting on how
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it's taking them this long to figure out how to
use him right now. On some level, that's a good
thing because you don't want to overuse him, so he
takes a beating. Did you notice that he's he's had
all those surgeries on the left arm where he always
was the brace. You may have noticed and or listen
to him after the game the other day where he
spiked the ball the gron spike was at the left
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arm because his right arm was so sore. Like that
guy is a mess. Multiple back surgeries, a c L surgery,
for surgeries I think on the left arm, and now
the right arms hurt. But yeah, he's he's a he's
a fun dude to have around. That's what the fox said. Say, Ramas,
did you enjoy watching last night? Was it boring to you?
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Pictures duels sometimes can be boring. It was not boring
to me. It was a fun game for me because
the Dodgers won, so it was fun. But yeah, Glass
the picture class now is that how you say his name?
Class time? Yeah? He I knew he was in trouble
because he just kept walking. To any players, you cannot walk.
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Player walks in baseball are like errors or turnovers in
basketball or football. There's or fumbles. You put guys on
base you put pressure on your team and it eventually
I think he walked like six batters. It's it was
I don't care you was no, he was not it
wasn't sharp. Um. Yeah, look I liked it. I thought that.
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I thought it was it was a fun game. Um,
I don't know. Have we been just really into this.
I'll tell you what's what's bummed me out? Now? What
is the story in your neighborhood with trick or treating?
My understanding that, well, I can't speak for everybody, but
I don't don't think it's people are going to be
trick treating in their area. I think that's been I
think La County has said first they said it's banned,
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and then they kind of walked back and said, well,
we don't encourage it. I'm guessing no one's gonna be
trick or treating in where we live in our area,
which sucks because I don't know if you remember this
a couple of years ago, actually many years ago, remember
when they were finding with this, like, um, needles in candy?
Do you remember that? I think that was wasn't that
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a wasn't that like a miss? No? I think there
was found some stuff and and tricker treating kind of
went away for a while, like people were really afraid
to get stuff, and then the last ten years it's
exploded again. Like it's hard to find places to walk
in the area where I live on on Halloween, like
people it's so people are coming from out of the area.
They dropped the kids off in the in the area
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I lived to go trick or treating. I'm really sad
that that's gonna stop this year because I think that kids,
really I loved Halloween when I was a kid. Think
I think means an even bigger holiday I agree with,
which I have no problem with, right, Like one of
my things is I get that we all get offended
over lots of different stuff, But I also think that,
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like Halloween, things are not I've said what we like,
um almost idolize uh uh, you know, like axe murderers,
Like it's okay to get addressed up like an axe murder,
but it's not okay to make fun of somebody else
in society. Like, look, there's a limit, there's a line
there that you don't want to cross. But I do
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think there's a certain hypocrisy to many things we do.
Buyer buying now without kids, are you gonna be a
bot like, what's what's going on your neighborhood with There's
not gonna be anything happening. Yeah for us, the light
will be off. That light will be off. The light
will be off. Will you even get the bucket of
candy and just go, hey, we put out a bucket
of candy in a sign in case. Well, the the
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the tricky thing about that is, you know it's a
John's point, don't even think it's allowed. You're also then
running the risk of somebody just taking the full basket
of candy on the first time around and leaving. How
do you say that? Okay, So I want you to
picture this. This is like ten years ago in Kenton, Connecticut.
We had his house was on a street in a
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really cute neighborhood, and we got dressed as all the
Wizard of Oz characters and I was the straw Man. Okay, okay, right,
And so we go out with a trigger treating and
we come back. We at some point, you know, the
kids are a little they're sugar high, they spin, they
do somersaults, and then we put them to bed. So
it's like eight thirty. We turned the lights out and
we do leave the signet, you know, light one light
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in front, and please take you know, just a handful.
All of a sudden, like we hear this rustling around,
like man, somebody's taking all the candy. I go running
downstairs to the master bedroom and there's nobody out there,
and the bull is empty, and there's rappers everywhere, and
I look in my dog, my basset hound, had gotten
into it. It was at that time they realized that
though dogs are allergic to chocolate, they need like four
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times their body way to die from chocolate. That dog
had an iron stomach. Nothing happened to it at all,
but that was I have had the bowl emptied, but
not by teenagers by at the time, like a seven
year old Bassett town who survived. There you go, there's
my there's my Halloween story. All right, Uh, let's do this.
Let's turn back to baseball. Upcoming next, we can have
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the trout mookie debate. But it's also time to stop
officially calling Clayton Kershaw a playoff choker. I'll tell you why.
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are you're listening to Fox Sports Radio? What up Doug
(00:24):
Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio? You know, Um, we we
do this thing as as guys, and I don't. I don't.
I don't want to chastise you because you may not
be like me. But we have to learn accountability, right
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we just I feel like we do. And it's a
hard thing, especially your kids nowadays, because I don't know
if it's how we were brought up, and but you know,
when a kid gets I said, when we got in
trouble in school, John, do you ever get in trouble
in school? You strike me as somebody who ever got
in trouble? I would say, no, I do. One time
(01:06):
I was late for school, we went to McDonald's before class,
and the principle of uh detention or whatever, I went
to McDonald's and found us there, so that I did
get in trouble for but for ninetent a time I
did not. I can't lie I did get in trouble um,
(01:26):
and I can tell you that any time I got
in trouble, there was hell to pay at home and
there was never any of this like of the teacher. Now,
kid gets in trouble and most parents will say, like,
you know, the teachers just unreasonable, or they'll they'll call
the principle about the teacher, just to make sure that
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the teachers on the up and up. And look, I'll
be you know, I'm probably letting you in on too much.
We had an issue are our first year in California
where my son was actually called in because there was
an incident where a teacher, his teacher had allegedly pushed
another kid and like you know, at the time was
he like eight years old, like you know, just tell
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the truth, and he said what he saw, that was it.
So sometimes it has been the teacher a little bit,
but not every time. And we see this. I coach
au basketball, you know, when the kid plays poorly, it's
something about the coach or about the other kids. We
don't we don't teach them that. Sometimes it's you, like
I think is as adult males, you know, you go
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if you ever gone into therapy, like at some point
you gotta go like, yeah, hey, you know what, I
am kind of a pay in the ass. I do
this and my relationships may go sideways because of me,
not because well she's crazy, right, Like guys always say,
well she's crazy, Well maybe you made her crazy, right.
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It's interesting we're in this place with the Dallas Cowboys
where they're a mess and it's really hard to tell
are they this bad or are they just so injured
that they can never get to whatever potential they had previously.
Yesterday there was a story James Slater's a friend of
the program works the NFL Network. She plus also has
the Boys and Girl podcast for the Dallas Cowboys that's
(03:15):
on the HERD podcast Now work um. James Slater broke
the story. She had a quote from an unnamed player
who said, you know, they're not teaching us, they're not
good at their jobs. This is Mike McCarthy responding to
those reports. You don't want to be stubborn and just
do things to do things, and and that's why I
think it's important for all of our players and coaches
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and and something enough stated in the first meeting, let's
just handle these things as men. Let's let's talk to
one another. I'm your guy. I mean, I'll talk to
Anyboddy you know in our in our inner circle men.
I'll either agree or disagree with you, And I think
it's important. But the end of day, it's about winning.
We're in a business and put players in position to win.
Uh So that's a non answering and said basically saying, really,
(04:01):
you're gonna go to a reporter instead of airing those
grievances in one of our meeting rooms, right, Like, what
are you doing? Which I would I would agree with
you know, if you if you challenge coaches, especially and
you know we we don't actually talk about this lot,
but I think if you challenge coaches, like, the first
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thing you should do if you think your coach doesn't
know what he's doing, or if he's putting in a
bad position, the first thing you should do is you
go and sit with that coach in his office, like
can I can we have an open discussion about something
just something I've seen. The second chance you have is
in your position meeting group meetings where you can air
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your grievances. You have to do it kind of politically correctly.
You can't just go like, well this won't work. That
didn't work, that's on you, guys. The third chance you
have is in any sort of team meetings, and of
course you can be very vague. Hey, you know just this,
everybody is aware, like some of the stuff we don't
really understand. It's new to us and we don't and
(05:05):
we're not sure if it's being taught. Maybe we can
slow down and break down and go back over things.
If all of those are exhausted and then you go
to the head coach and there's no change, well then yeah,
like you're like, look, I brought it up in my coach,
my position coach, in the meeting room with the defense,
with the head coach, I've done it over the last
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couple of weeks and nothing has changed, Well then yeah,
by all means, if you want to go and tell
Jane Slater like we've been working on this and they're
not getting any better, We're not getting any better. I
find it. I don't find it irresponsible to go to
the media if you are five weeks into a season
with a new coaching staff. When you didn't have O. T. A. S.
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You didn't have a normal traditional training camp, you didn't
have preseason games, and you haven't aired those grievances with
all of those different layers yet. Then you know what,
You're out a line going to the media and I'm
not one of these. You have to be a name source.
Sky deep Throat was not a name source, and that
seemed that seemed to be credible and brought down the president.
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But there's something kind of bigger at play here. This
is one of those. At some point in time, it's
not just the players or the coaches. At some point
in time, it's the culture. How else can you explain
not look the Cowboys and this is always interesting. Everybody said,
Jason Garrett can't coach, Like, do you realize that they
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were as good the last five years as they've been since?
Over the last five years they wont nine, ten, eight,
And if you go back to the last year Romo
was healthy, twelve and then four when it was Wheden
and Matt Castle and other guys. All right, um, if
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you if you go back that year, whe we won
four games. But if we realized since that was the
last year that they had back to back ten win seasons.
I was a freshman in college in Okay, now here's okay.
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You want to say the league is really hard, couldn't
go anymore. League's very very difficult, very difficult. All right,
Let's take a look at I don't know the Pittsburgh Steelers. Right,
the Pittsburgh Steelers. Let's look at their team and their
franchise index. Right, the Pittsburgh Steelers. They had four straight
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ten win seasons up until three years ago, and last
year they only won eight games, even though they played
two quarterbacks after Ben Roethlisberger got hurt. And now that
we're any good that that's about culture. Six different times
of Steelers have had back to back, uh double digit
win seasons since two thousand. The Dallas Cowboys since two
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thousands have had zero. Now, part of it is they
haven't changed they only changed coaches once. Part of is
that's how ownership is. They're built around their defense. They're
not flashy, they don't sign free agents for the most part,
like all of these things. But there's something to your
culture and the accountability of hey, we screwed up, let's
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go get better. Hey, we don't know what we're doing.
Let's talk about it. I mean, the last guy to
call out anybody on the Pittsburgh Steelers was Antonio Brown.
Notice he's not on the Pittsburgh Steelers anymore, you know.
I mean the same is true for the Patriots. Look
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how many ten consecutive ten win seasons they've had. That's
the sign of a great season in the NFL. Everyone
else is between seven and nine and nine and seven.
You in ten games, You've done Upton special. Patriots won
ten games in that Castle's quarterback. There's something to the
culture of Dallas, the idea that you know, he screw up,
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you're still Jerry is still gonna get take care of you.
You're still a cowboy. You know, as long as you
can make plays, they'll find a home for you. It's
just fascinating me on how it doesn't really matter who
the coaches. You can sit here and tell me, well,
Mike McCarthy is not a high end coach, and it's
Jerry who screws it up because he won't hire a
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big time coach like Okay, well, you know I hate
to be that guy. But Bill Parcels was the head
coach for UH four years in Dallas, and he got
frustrated because, I mean, I know Romo dropped the snap
in in the playoff game in Parcels uh last year
there when they lost in Seattle in the wild card,
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and Parcels as good a coach he is ten wins,
six wins, nine wins, nine wins. Wade Phillips, Jason Garrett,
now Mike McCarthy, Chan Gailey, none of them can solve
the riddle why, because this starts at the top of
their culture. You have an owner that that rewards great talent,
not necessarily great teammates. How many times do we have
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to see it to realize that's exactly what it is?
And I could use all kinds of stats, I could
be critical. I don't like the Mike Nolan higher. I'm
not sure if the game's passed him by, but there's
a reason that he hadn't he hadn't sniffed a coordinator job,
and it was payback for him hiring Mike McCarthy way
back in the day. All of that said, yes, injuries
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play a major factor, but the other factor is you
just don't have a culture where players are held accountable.
You don't have a culture where players are called out
where players, if you don't know what you're supposed to
be doing, well am it. You might do the wrong thing,
but you'll at least do it hard. This team, if
they don't know what they're supposed to be, if they're
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in the wrong gap, they just quit. They quit on
their coaches, which does not bode well for Mike McCarthy
in the short and long term, but also speaks poorly
of the organization as a whole. Coming up next, a
former NFL player suggesting Trevor Lawrence should go back to
Clemson for another season if the Jets finished winless and
(11:28):
have his essentially his draft rights. I'll tell you why
that's absurd. Next, be sure to catch the live edition
of The Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at three p m.
Easter noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I
Heart Radio Whap Doug Gollip Show here on Fox Sports Radio,
the Big Leads website. Jason McIntyre started. I think he
sold it right now he does the Straight Fire podcast. Anyway,
(11:53):
this is Roddy White. Gave a long time NFL wide receiver,
Roddy White on Clemson quite about Trevor Lawrence. If the
Jets get the first big. Don't go, just stay. Just
stay one when you're in college and just enjoy your time. Man,
Just enjoy you to have a college because it would
be awful for you to get drafted by the Jets
because they don't not know how to put anything together
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over there as far as quarterbacking, as far as weapons
around the quarterback, as far as anything that has to
do with offensive thing talent. They can draft defensively, and
they do a hell of a job on that side
of the ball. As far as offense. Man, that team
is just bad at picking players. Yeah, listen, I don't
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dispute that. But again, first of all, Joe Douglas is
not responsible for every guy on that roster. It's been
the GM for like two years now, and he picked
up very good left tackle. Do I think they put
enough weaponry around Sam Donald? The answer is absolutely not.
But again, let me remind you what you're suggesting. You're
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suggesting that Trevor Lawrence should be the number one overall
pick would go back to Clemson, where all you can
do is hurt your draft stock. That's it. There's nothing
else you you cannot help your All you can do
is hurt your draft stock if you go back. Secondly,
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it's the number one media market in the country, right,
Like we're the Chargers poorly run? Not really, I mean
a j Smith wasn't that well loved when Eli Manning
and his dad kind of held him hostage and they
made a trade. But part of it was the managers
want to get to New York. Mission accomplished two Super Bowls.
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The Giants are seen as a better running organization. But
the Giants are down the dip. But here's the here's
the big thing. Okay, let's say it's not the Jets.
Who else needs a quarterback? The Redskins? Do they have
a great team? The Giants? Right, they drafted see Kawon Berkley.
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Who's hurt? They traded away their current GM trade away
Odell Beckham Jr. So if it was about drafting and
keeping players, they got rid of one of the elite
wide receivers in the NFL. Well, let's go through the
worst teams in the league. Right. If it's the Eagles,
I don't think they're placing Carson Wentz, but it's not
for lack of trying. They've gone out and they drafted
like six wide receivers. Any team you go to in
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the bottom five of the NFL draft, for the most part,
is going to be terrible, and you're terrible for a
litany of reasons. But I would also point out that
the Jets have had success. They were in back to
back ANFC championship games within the last what ten years
or so? And oh yeah, by the way, if Trevor
Lawrence really doesn't want to play for the Jets, I'm
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sure for Pirates Bounty they would trade the rights to
that pick. They absolutely would, which is what I would
do if I was the Jets. But we we do
these things where we you know, it's Stephen a saying
Odell Beckham Jr. Should want to be traded. That's great,
They're not trading him. Trevor Lawrence should go back to school,
that's great. But guess what's not happening. Trevor Lawrence is
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not going back for another year. You know, It's just
it's just not gonna happen. We say dumb things that
have no like no one. I guess I'm like the
only guy. And I like Karadi White. I got nothing
against him. I love to have him on. But the
reality is Trevor Lawrence is gone. It's not coming back.
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The only question is who's going to draft him or
they gonna trade his rights to somebody who's gonna have
to load up and and move heaven and Earth to
get him. Be sure to catch the live edition of
The Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at three p m.
Easter Noon Pacific. The one only Daniel Jeremiah joins us
Move the Sticks as the podcast. He also does the
Amazon Prime. It's kind of like a mystery science the
(15:52):
here at three thousand watching the football games. They did
that special edition on Monday night. He does a lot
of things. Broadcast the Chargers game. Uh, let me start
with the story of yesterday, which is two a tongue
of violoa name a starter, And this is Ryan Fitzpatrick
earlier today. This profession is interesting and that I got
(16:13):
basically got fired yesterday, and then my day of work
today consisted of me in zoom meetings listening to the
guy that fired me, and then you know, locked in
a spaced out room, you know, with my replacement for
four hours today. So there aren't a whole lot of
jobs that are like that. He did not sound pleased
as punch. He sounded he was really surprised because he's played. Well,
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what's your reaction to the timing of the decision and
the reason the logic behind the decision. Well, I I
totally understand where Fitz is coming from and being frustrated,
But to me, I think it was the right decision.
And the reason I say that, Doug is because there's
you have to make a decision for the Miami Dolphins.
Do you wanna do you want to chase a T
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shirt that says you got in as a wild card
him or you want to chase the title and try
and build the team that can eventually win the championship.
When you when you think about the ultimate goal of
building a championship team, one of the easiest ways to
do that, one of the best ways, I should say,
to do that is to get that accomplished while you
have a rookie on that first contract where you can
build up around him. So the clock has already started
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once they took two of in the draft. So once
he proved that a he was healthy, be that he
knew the offense well enough to be successful, and see
that he would be able to handle some of the
adversities that's going to come along with some of the
initial struggles. You've got to put him out on the
field and let him start getting those valuable reps so
that you can get him up to speed and you
have a chance to you know, chase the bigger prizes
(17:41):
as you go forward. And it's to me, it's a
long term decision, and I think it was the right one. Um,
can't you do both? I mean the Kncie Chiefs did both.
They sat my homes the first year, played in Week seventeen,
went to the playoffs, didn't accomplish much. Then the second
year they turned it over to him. Can't you do both?
I think it's totally different. I think, first of all,
Patrick mahomes Um had a lot more um to develop
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in terms of where he was when he entered the league.
I mean, he couldn't spit out a play call when
he first got there. We see the m v P
that he is now um, but he had he had
further ground to go. That was a team that was
capable of being, you know, a team capable making a
run to be in a conference championship game type talent
there with Kansas City. If this Miami team is not
at that level, and I think two was more equipped
(18:26):
to get on the field and play right away. So um,
I think it's a little bit different. And I just
think you want to get him up up to speed
and get him get him rolling. I don't think the
you know, I think it's gonna be a little bit
of a drop off initially from fits to TOA. But
I don't think it's gonna be much. I tend to
agree and people forget that fits his thirty seven. It's
not like he's, you know, in his prime. But but
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he he seemed really surprised by it. I guess he
probably expected it to happen if he was playing poorly.
Keep in mind, he was playing against the Jets and
they got a bye week. And I feel like this
is a little bit predetermined. Danta Jeremiah joining us in
the Doug Gotled show on Fox Sport Trading. By the way,
do you have Dodger fever yet? And Mr Padre fan
so gross? Uh? I know, I thought you would have
been an angel I am. I am an angel fan.
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But here's my logic behind it. Like I got, I
got no bones to pick with Clayton Kershaw. I just
I feel like the dude has been he was overused
so often and he made some mistakes and I kind
of want to see him win it. Plus, I feel
like the Astros, that Astro World Series is tainted, and
this would one further tainted, but it would it would
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write a little bit of a wrong if they won.
I like the Dodgers. I love the Angels. Yeah, I mean, look,
it's somebody that you grew up in San Diego. Your
conditioned to just hate everything about the Dodgers. But I
will say, um, it's Clayton Kershaw is easy to like. Um,
And I would say Mookie Betts is impossible to hate.
I mean, like Mookie Bets is so so good and
so fun to watch. I mean, I'm sure you can
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do segment after segment about how Boston allowed that to happen.
But you know, look, I have I have a lot
of Dodger uh fan friends, and the people that I'm
friends will actually be happy for them when they want it,
because they've uh you know, we're close and they're good.
They'll be fun for them. But there's another segment of
Dodger fan that's just not obnoxious. It's obnoxious. It's anxious.
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It's those sections. They were all in on Manny World,
and they forget that Manny was the juice said back
when it was it was Manning World. So um, I'm
with you on on that one. Uh. Daniel Jeremiah, our
guest on the Doug Gotlip Show on Fox Sports Radio.
You and I have discussed the Mike nolan higher. Now
you have Mike mccarthur, who has to defend him and
his coaching staff because somebody told Jane Slater our coaches
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are bad at their jobs. How much of it is
mismatched personnel for what they're doing. How much of it
is the coaching and maybe the league passing Mike nolan by,
and how much of it is entitled players lacking effort?
And how much of it is injuries? Because I don't
know anybody who's winning without three offensive lineman the starting quarterback. Yeah,
I mean, it's it's interesting, you know. I answer a
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couple of part of it parts of it here. I can't.
I can't do the injury thing because I mean, I look,
you're gonna we might not win games, but you can't
usually an excuse. The Philadelphia Eagles, I'm getting ready to
do their game for Thursday. They played thirteen offensive linemen
this year, but there one, there, one, three and one, right,
I mean what I'm saying, but can't we can go
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through we can go through all of these teams that
are they're not playing well, and you can say that
they're they're all injury injury teams. YEA fair. No, I
think you can say that they're all having injuries. But
I think the way that it's discussed is that the
Dallas Cowboys are the only team in the National Football
League that's playing without guys, Like everybody is playing without guys.
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The forty Niners obviously have a better football team, but
you look at the guy that they're missing. I mean, so,
I don't know, I just it's a weird year. There's
a lot of injuries all over the league. What on
my point that I'm getting to is we can argue
about is it is that this injury isn't that we
can't argue about the effort that we saw from the
Dallas Cowboys. That we've seen that's indisputable. Now, if you
want to say that the game's passed Mike no One
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by or that he's you know, he's not the right
answer for them, and and the players are upset with him. Yeah,
I get it, maybe you are, maybe has, but I
can't answer that. What I can't answer is you guys
don't play very hard. That's that's what I can Okay,
so so, but do they not play hard because they
don't believe in what they're being told? Do they not
play hard because that Jerry will take care of them
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and have their back eventually? Like or do you if
you're Steve, indeed you cut somebody? You know, you walk
and he just cuts just like you know, it's like
you fire somebody if you own a business. In order
to get get the message through to everybody else, Yeah,
I would probably go that route. I mean, look at
it from basketball. I'd love to get your take on this.
You've been on teams. I'm sure you didn't agree with
where the offense was running or how it was being done.
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Does never excuse you're not hustling to get back on
defense like that stuff Just stuff you're taught when you're
a little kid. Just just hustle. Actually, that's actually I
coach eleven and twelve and thirteen year olds, and I
and and and every game I take out in their
parents like, why did you take him out? I was like, like,
we took him out because it was turnover. Was like, no,
I didn't, No, I didn't. You assumed I did. I
took him out because after he turned to basketball over
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then he looked at me, looked at the ref, did
something with his hands instead of getting his ass back
on defense and helping his teammates out. That's why he
was like, no, you took my kid out because he
missed it the shot Like no, no, it was a
bad shot. It was a terrible shot. It was an
awful shot. I was not happy with the shot. That's all.
I took him out and took him out because if
you don't you can do that, but don't run back
on defense, you're gonna make bad decisions that that's not
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a bad decision, that's the lack of effort. So I
I I get it. I just how did they get
to this point to where you got dudes? I mean
they just look awful. Yeah, they're just not very competitive, So,
you know, I don't know, I don't know what the
right answer is there. I know usually when you have
issues like that, you usually go younger, because you know,
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younger guys were trying to make a name for themselves.
They're hungry and they're they're gonna they might be going
the wrong direction, but they're gonna go there a hundred
miles an hour. What what happened with the Packers? Why
they just melted down after the second pick? What would happen? Well,
I just got beat up up front, you know. I
mean I thought that this that Tampa team dominated the
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line of scrimmage and Ronald Jones ran it down their throats.
I mean that to me would be the Uh that
would be the discouraging thing is having seen what the
Niners did to them and then seeing Tampa who has
a very physical offensive line, and I saw it, and
I saw it in the charging game there and for
Ronald Jones had over hunt yards in that game. So
he's he's rolling right now. But the Packers um as
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good as the quarterback is, and uh, he's tremendous. The
belief around the league and the thought about the Packers
around the league is once it gets into a street
fight and it gets down and dirty and it comes
down to what you have up front on the line
of scrimmage, that they're just not quite good enough. How
does it reflect on Aaron Rodgers. Well, I almost think
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in some ways that it points out that he's been
able to elevate what is not the uh not the
greatest group in front of him, uh that he's had there.
So I think they've they've kind of been labeled as
having one of these, you know, one of the great
offensive line or one of the upper rational and offensive lines.
I think it's just okay, Um, I don't think it's great,
and and I don't think Aaron's you know, capable of
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being able to lift everybody else up around him when
they're getting that dominated up front. And I don't know,
necessarily said a whole lot about Aaron as much as
is what he's got. Doug got leave show here on
Fox Sports Trader that that's the voice of Daniel Jeremiah.
I played the sound of Roddy White saying, Hey, if
I was advising Trevor Lawrence and the Jets get the
number one pick, I'd tell him to stay in school.
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I was like, it sounds cool to say, but that's
not the reality, right, Like, actually, if I'm the Jets,
I trade that pick if I get anyway, because I
still have faith in don't and they have so many
holes that they could show up. But I operate there's
no possible way in which he goes back to school,
is there? I don't think so. And look, I know, um,
(25:58):
I know their general management very well, been friends for
for twenty years and work together for a long time,
and I know they're they're a complete mess right now.
He had had really much of a chance to put
his imprint on that team. So when I when I
look at it, and I look at somebody who's spent
you know, the majority of his career under Ozzie Newsome
and the most stable franchises in the NFL, and that's
how he's brought up. Joe Douglas is not an idiot.
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And this is a team where if you want to
look at two different scenarios, right say you have the
number one pick and what you were saying, if you
want to, you know, build around Sam, and I'm a
big Sam believer. If you can get the right pieces there,
you could auction. Add off, you're talking about three first
round picks you'd get for that first overall pick. I
mean you get a boatload of picks. But keep in
mind they already have an extra first round pick this
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year and next year from Seattle. So if they let's
say that they want to take Trevor Lawrence one one, right,
do you take Trevor Lawrence. That's one pick. That means
you also have the first pick in the second round,
which is pick thirty three. You've got Seattle's pick, which
is gonna be in the you know, bottom of the
first round. That's three first rounders, and I guarantee you
could trade Sam Donald for a late one to one
of those good teams that would never get a quarterback
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of that quality. So you could start next year with
four of the top thirty three picks to build a
young team with who I I think they have when
he's healthy and he's missed a couple of games here,
McKay Beckton's got a chance to be the best left
tackle in the entire league. So now you've got a
pretty good young nucas and you've got two first round
picks the next year. So I think I think people
look at these situations and think they're eternal, and it's
(27:25):
like now that they could they could get this thing
turned around. It it's not going to take quite as
long as it as ugly as it looks right now. No,
I I agree. Just you know it's I've I've used
to get in my house painted an analogy. Remember halfway
through I was like painting it back, and you know,
I waited until it was painted and took a took
a lap around it. It's like, you know what, I
actually kind of like it. It's it's hard when when
(27:46):
a when a rehab project is is halfway done. Dania
Jeremiah guest on the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox
Sports Radio. A couple more kind of kind of quickies
if you will, um, Well, I felt like, you know,
Garoppolo played better, but they're still some frustration there. What's
your sense of Garoppolo and Shanahan in that mix. I
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still doesn't feel like it's long for me. I mean,
it does not feel like this is going to be
something that goes for for a long time. But when
I was thinking about teams for for Sam Donald, if
the Jets did trade him, I mean that to me
would be a perfect spot for somebody like that. I
think Sam Donald is a better player than Jimmy Garoppolo.
It just shows you the difference between situations right of
where you land and who you're around. Um, I just
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I don't get the sense that that Kyle totally trusts him.
I mean, that's that's the sense I come away with
every time I watch I think, and I think everybody
watched the NFC champions game in the Super Bowl and
thought the exact same thing. And it hasn't changed. And
rightfully so, we've seen what happens when he does trust
him is that he makes he makes a bone headed
error or two. Uh O b J takes off his
helmet and his shoes in classic O b J fashion.
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What do you do? If you're Cleveland, You've got to
figure out how to get your quarterbacks play better. He's
just not that good. I don't know. I know, it's
just not that good. Think we talked about it, you remember,
I remember us chatting about that during that draft leading
up to that draft, and the question was with Baker
is look, I think entering into the game, entering into
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the NFL, um he's going to be ahead of some
of these guys and he's gonna have a chance to
have some success early on. But he's hitting his head
on the ceiling like he is what he is. He's
played a lot of football He's played well at the
college level, but he has limitations and I don't know
that your necessary going to see him continue to improve
and get better, and we just haven't seen that. I
think he played his best football is his first year.
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Um So, now you're Cleveland and you're thinking, cheeze, we
thought we finally had one here. You know, it's it's
tough if you don't if you don't hit a home
run when you're taking a quarterback one one, that's a
tough one. DJ, great stuff man. Look forward to hearing
your Thursday night. Thanks so much for joining us on
Fox Sports Radio. All Right, the world's biggest Dodger fan,
Daniel Jeremiah joining us on the Doug Gottlip Show on
(29:54):
Fox Sports Trader that that's getting He's a huge Padre fan.
Bruce Arians had some funny comment about Gronk. I'll share
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(30:16):
time we play for you a portion of a previous
show on Fox Sports Tradio and Fox Sports when we
call it. This is Bruce Arians, who by the way,
was a colleague for a period of time in Fox Sports,
talking DP about Gronk. I think he's playing really, really good.
You know, it's his number. When teams want to double
cover Mike Evans, that kind of hopens up the field
(30:38):
for Grounk. And uh, and he he was working through
it early in the season. He's he's in great shape.
And uh, I think we're doing a better job of
coaching um him up a little bit. And and Tom too,
as far as when we're seeing different coverages where we
want to go with the ball, is Gronk goofy. He's
he's unusual. He's a hell of a lot of fun. Though, Man,
(31:01):
here's a hell of a lot of fun. Give me
an example, just talking to him, like, dude, did your
elevator go all the way to the top? I mean,
I'm not sure, but it was fun. I find Gronk
to be actually super bright and engaging and interesting as well.
But yeah, I mean, like it's it's interesting on how
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it's taking them this long to figure out how to
use him right now. On some level, that's a good
thing because you don't want to overuse him, so he
takes a beating. Did you notice that he's he's had
all those surgeries on the left arm where he always
was the brace. You may have noticed and or listen
to him after the game the other day where he
spiked the ball the gron spike was at the left
(31:44):
arm because his right arm was so sore. Like that
guy is a mess. Multiple back surgeries, a c L surgery,
for surgeries I think on the left arm, and now
the right arms hurt. But yeah, he's he's a he's
a fun dude to have around. That's what the fox said. Say, Ramas,
did you enjoy watching last night? Was it boring to you?
(32:05):
Pictures duels sometimes can be boring. It was not boring
to me. It was a fun game for me because
the Dodgers won, so it was fun. But yeah, Glass
the picture class now is that how you say his name?
Class time? Yeah? He I knew he was in trouble
because he just kept walking. To any players, you cannot walk.
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Player walks in baseball are like errors or turnovers in
basketball or football. There's or fumbles. You put guys on
base you put pressure on your team and it eventually
I think he walked like six batters. It's it was
I don't care you was no, he was not it
wasn't sharp. Um. Yeah, look I liked it. I thought that.
(32:45):
I thought it was it was a fun game. Um,
I don't know. Have we been just really into this.
I'll tell you what's what's bummed me out? Now? What
is the story in your neighborhood with trick or treating?
My understanding that, well, I can't speak for everybody, but
I don't don't think it's people are going to be
trick treating in their area. I think that's been I
think La County has said first they said it's banned,
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and then they kind of walked back and said, well,
we don't encourage it. I'm guessing no one's gonna be
trick or treating in where we live in our area,
which sucks because I don't know if you remember this
a couple of years ago, actually many years ago, remember
when they were finding with this, like, um, needles in candy?
Do you remember that? I think that was wasn't that
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a wasn't that like a miss? No? I think there
was found some stuff and and tricker treating kind of
went away for a while, like people were really afraid
to get stuff, and then the last ten years it's
exploded again. Like it's hard to find places to walk
in the area where I live on on Halloween, like
people it's so people are coming from out of the area.
They dropped the kids off in the in the area
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I lived to go trick or treating. I'm really sad
that that's gonna stop this year because I think that kids,
really I loved Halloween when I was a kid. Think
I think means an even bigger holiday I agree with,
which I have no problem with, right, Like one of
my things is I get that we all get offended
over lots of different stuff, But I also think that,
(34:13):
like Halloween, things are not I've said what we like,
um almost idolize uh uh, you know, like axe murderers,
Like it's okay to get addressed up like an axe murder,
but it's not okay to make fun of somebody else
in society. Like, look, there's a limit, there's a line
there that you don't want to cross. But I do
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think there's a certain hypocrisy to many things we do.
Buyer buying now without kids, are you gonna be a
bot like, what's what's going on your neighborhood with There's
not gonna be anything happening. Yeah for us, the light
will be off. That light will be off. The light
will be off. Will you even get the bucket of
candy and just go, hey, we put out a bucket
of candy in a sign in case. Well, the the
(34:57):
the tricky thing about that is, you know it's a
John's point, don't even think it's allowed. You're also then
running the risk of somebody just taking the full basket
of candy on the first time around and leaving. How
do you say that? Okay, So I want you to
picture this. This is like ten years ago in Kenton, Connecticut.
We had his house was on a street in a
(35:18):
really cute neighborhood, and we got dressed as all the
Wizard of Oz characters and I was the straw Man. Okay, okay, right,
And so we go out with a trigger treating and
we come back. We at some point, you know, the
kids are a little they're sugar high, they spin, they
do somersaults, and then we put them to bed. So
it's like eight thirty. We turned the lights out and
we do leave the signet, you know, light one light
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in front, and please take you know, just a handful.
All of a sudden, like we hear this rustling around,
like man, somebody's taking all the candy. I go running
downstairs to the master bedroom and there's nobody out there,
and the bull is empty, and there's rappers everywhere, and
I look in my dog, my basset hound, had gotten
into it. It was at that time they realized that
though dogs are allergic to chocolate, they need like four
(36:03):
times their body way to die from chocolate. That dog
had an iron stomach. Nothing happened to it at all,
but that was I have had the bowl emptied, but
not by teenagers by at the time, like a seven
year old Bassett town who survived. There you go, there's
my there's my Halloween story. All right, Uh, let's do this.
Let's turn back to baseball. Upcoming next, we can have
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the trout mookie debate. But it's also time to stop
officially calling Clayton Kershaw a playoff choker. I'll tell you why.
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