December 3, 2024 • 53 mins
It's Fox Sports Radio's official fantasy football podcast! Dan Beyer and Mike Harmon open the show with their immediate thoughts and reactions following a wild Monday Night Football game that saw the Broncos defeating the Browns 41-32. The guys explain a big-brain theory on how a fantasy QB combo of Jameis Winston and Bo Nix could ultimately win you your championship down the line. They then go through the rest of the week's matchups, identifying the studs and duds from each. Later, they get into the Bears firing head coach Matt Eberflus, and discuss the fantasy impacts it could have. Plus, Mike shares his hot waiver wire adds of the week!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Ladies, you want experience during your football season, well, buckle.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Up, sweet cheeks.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
We've got all the experience in the world. This is
I want your flex with Dan Byer and Mike Harmon.
Mike and Dan break down everything you need to set
your lineups, from position rankings to starts and sins. The
guys help you make those hard decisions. And now let's
get your flex on. Here's Dan Bayer and Mike Harmon.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Week thirteen is in the books. Welcome in. He's Mike Carmon.
Hit him up at Swollendome. You can find me at
Dan Byer on Fox. Get Mike on Blues Guy as
well at Mike carmeron. You can find me at Dan
Byer on Blue Guy, who shows executive producer as Ian Roddy.
And before we even hear from Mike Harmon, you know
Ian's on AX at Ian Roddy Underscore.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
It's been a week. It's been through the Thanksgiving holiday.
Are you on Blue Skuy yet? Ian?
Speaker 4 (00:57):
I'm not on Blue Sky yet, but but I have
heard about Blue Sky a lot more now, so I'm
thinking it might actually be starting to catch on a
little more. The first time i'd ever heard it mentioned
was on this show. So now I've heard in a
few other.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Places, well you can find Mike and I on it.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
And I think Mike, we are making an impression on
Ian that at some point, by the time the season ends,
I think he will be on Blue Sky.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
A safe bet.
Speaker 5 (01:19):
That's it. I mean, it's it's basically as my friends
had in their wedding ceremony as water eerodes Rock, I
am finally here on a wedding day. So they dated
forever and he finally acquiesced. They've now been married like
sixteen years, but they dated for a good decade before that,
and that was part of his part of his vows, We're.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Going to wear you down, and it's going to happen
at some point.
Speaker 5 (01:44):
It might be ten years, but we'll get Jim.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
The fantasy season has worn me down, and I think
that there may be others in the fantasy world that
feel my pain. Whether you have three teams that's what
I had this year to regular guillotine, whether you have
Mike who's been doing drafts since mid July, actually even
earlier than that, and I don't even know how many
(02:09):
teams Mike has. I think Ian has six overall, including
is Guillotine squad. But guys, I'm crapped out, guillotine chopped,
longtime league, no chance of the playoffs, and I'm close
to being eliminated entering the final week of next week.
So yeah, so, but I'm still here for the party,
still here to hang, still here to do all the information.
(02:31):
But sometimes it happens in a fantasy football season and
you just got to find other ways to enjoy the
rest of the NFL. Luckily, my Seahawks are still in
the thick of things, leaders in the NFC West, so
that will occupy my attention.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
But we don't want anybody who is in my.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Spot of fantasy football to abandon the podcast because we
don't just talk fantasy football. We talk all NFL, and
we talk all different phases. I just wanted to put
that out there because I think there are some people
probably after we thirteen, being like, ah, well that's it,
that's season's done for me. I've only got next week
and I'm eliminated. But yeah, hang with us. It'll be fun.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
There's a couple of things to it. Number One, there's
always potentially the opportunity to play spoiler, right not all
league playoffs will start week fifteen. Maybe you got one
more week in you but either way, you know, change
it to week long tournaments. And like there's other variations. Also,
hate watching the teams that have defeated you in your league.
(03:29):
You can have fun with that as well. But obviously
we take a lot of shots at the NFL world
and the good, the bad, the ugly. Add the pop
culture humor and just random chaos, and we'll give you
something to listen to. If nothing else, you're gonna shake
your fist and call me a jerk.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Nobody's calling me a jerky.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
I think I got a couple on Twitter, let me
find their names. No, just kidding.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
We've talked last week about the drive, the fumble, the catch,
those had to deal with the Browns and Broncos. Giving
Ian Roddy, our executive producer, a lesson and I did
the test for a few more people around Fox Sports Radio,
and it is a generational thing.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Mike and I almost think we have to.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Do a better job of teaching our youth about the
greatness of the National Football League from the nineteen eighties
and really even from the nineties. For people like Ian's age,
who was born and by the way, I realized today
that I know Ian's birthday by heart now and not.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
An easy one.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
It is is an easy one, but I even mentioned that.
I think I mentioned it on the air. Hopefully nobody
took real advantage of it. But the point being is
that Brown's Broncos on Monday Night to wrap up Week
thirteen may not have had the stakes or the drama
as those two great AFC Championship games from the eighties,
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but it.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Did provide some entertainment.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Jameis Winston being Jameis Winston and Bo Nix I guess
in a way being Bo Nicks as well.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
Great moments in gambling history as well. So you get
the big pass. The spread was six and a half,
so you get the big pass interference call. So while
it wiped away the opportunity for Jameis Winston to go
and break Matt Shops single game record, we also had
knocking on the door step here at the final final
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minute of the game. And then Jamis throws his third
interception of the game, which you get the horse collar
from Judy plus Nick Chubb chasing down, so you don't
get the third pick six that goes one hundred yards.
But it was also one of those what the hell
man Like as soon as the flag came out on
the PI, it's like, all right, people are gonna get
their plus six and a half. I'm gonna finish the
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week for the picks that I do At thirteen and three,
I'll spike on people that's against the spread and I'm
gonna go out the door instead. Well, you get more
Jameis Winston. But I would say this forty one thirty two.
Your final the over under was forty two and a half.
So Denver just on the doorstep again by themselves. But
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also you look at this game. It was the perfect
bookend to the crazy ass five days of football we
just had.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
It was great to see Jameis Winston do what he
did because I actually thought it was over for him.
I thought that the success that he had early in
his replacing of Deshaun Watson, we're just kind of flashes
in the pan and lightning striking. However, that was not
the case on Monday night, and it was honestly, it
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was actually good to see the interceptions as well, to
be like, all right, nothing's changed, and not that I'm
a Jameis Winston hater, how can you be considering his personality?
But I'm like, okay, this seems about right.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
This fits.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
This isn't just a guy that the NFL has been
keeping under wraps so far and really is one of
the I mean, he is a gun slinger, I will
give him that, and we saw it on full display.
But sometimes with those gun slingers come those interceptions, and
that's what we got.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
Well, that's just it. He's not going to go quietly
into the good night. Fifty eight pass attempts in this
one against a here to four difficult to navigate Denver defense.
So that was one thing that he raised an eyebrow.
Here right, even without Tillman, they're able to move the ball,
big chunk plays. The fact that Certan wasn't just glued
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to Judy all night makes absolutely no sense, because he
did a good job and there are a few matchups,
but otherwise he's roaming free in the defensive backfield. But overall,
I mean four ninety seven, four and three. One of
the interception returns for a touchdown I had just happenstanced,
you know, the undercutting of the route a little behind
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the receiver falls to the turf and is able to
get up and he looks around. He's like, hey, I've
got some daylight, and away you go. But all that
to say, Judy two thirty five and a touchdown, nine
catches on thirteen targets and Djoku had seventeen target nine
for fifty two and two. And we talked about it
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Smith and I as we were watching it, like James
finished with a you know, the all important quarterback rating
was under a ninety for the game. Despite all the heroics,
we saw the run game for Cleveland shut down again
you get into one of these shootout scenarios. But Nick
Chubb just twenty one yards on the ground. He did
have the receiving touchdowns, so you got that gift for
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you as well as another nineteen yard catch, but a
quiet night for him. So I'll take one victory in
there in terms of what the cold cold soares were
for last week. But for the Denver side, Bo nicks
two ninety four ninety three of it. For Marvin Mims Junior,
he finishes with three and one hundred and five in
a score. You know, coming into the game, he had
one hundred and sixty two receiving yards for the year.
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So there you go, hey, breakout double up double That
was did. But Courtland Sutton gets over the one hundred
yard mark again six catches. He's been fantastic of late.
The one thing he did didn't get from Bonnicks. Here
with his two ninety four and a score, you only
had four rushing yards. So there was the disappointment for you.
He had a couple of great rollouts. Oh there, he's
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gonna go, he's gonna go, he's.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Gonna give it.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
No, he didn't, and then he would end up finding
a guy down the street like that throw to Men's
was absurd, like just a rope.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Here's here's the good thing with bon Nicks. In my opinion,
there's the good and the bad news on Bnicks. The
bad news is if you are fighting for a playoff spot,
they have a bye next week, one of the six
teams of that week fourteen bye. The good news is
is off of that buye they have the Colts. Then
they're at LA against the Chargers. But your championship game,
if you make it that far, at Cincinnati, and as
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we've seen, everybody is feasting on Cincinnati. So b Nicks
could lead you to the fantasy Promised Land if you
can just navigate this bye week and then maybe navigate
that week against the Chargers leading up to it, but
bon Nicks at least down the stretch here as some
favorable matchups. If you have been riding Bonicks as of
late for your fantasy starter.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
Think about that. The potential of Bonnicks giving you your
fantasy title against Cleveland Cincinnati team, I should say, which
coming into the year is like, all right, changing parts,
but you trusted the all right coordinators there, they'll figure
it out. Yeah, and they've just been an absolute disaster.
I mean think Russell Wilson went over four hundred yards
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on him for crying out loud.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
And I'll say this because we are late in the season.
The trickiest part about drafting in a season long affair,
the trickiest thing like about drafting is you wouldn't take
a flyer on Bonnicks because of the names that are
usually available to you as a backup quarterback. Like when
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we look, I know he's had an awful year and
Ian I'm not pointing him out because he's a Jets fan,
but I think it's a propos for this scenario when
you're drafting this year, you're looking for a backup quarterback,
you see the name Aaron Rodgers and you say, you
know what, I'd rather have Aaron Rodgers than bo Nix.
Running Back and wide receiver are completely different because you
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don't know how rookies are going to acclimate.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
They could be the handcuffed to a guy.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Maybe they develop a rapport with the quarterback and all
of a sudden they're a big hit. So it makes
sense to take flyers on those guys. To me, it
doesn't make sense to take a flyer on a rookie
quarterback unless it's Jaden Daniels or Caleb Williams. I did
not expect this from bo Nicks. Different scenario next year,
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maybe bo Nicks will be and Jayden Daniels will be
the reason why people are starting to take flyers. But
I just know, leading into the draft, I'm looking at
the names that I'm like, oh, hey, two is still available,
He'll be my backup. Or you know, Jared Goff still there, Hey,
he'll be my backup. I wouldn't have thought to take
a flyer on bo Nicks. But if you did, or
you picked them up early, kudos to you, and hopefully
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you're paying me or receiving the rewards from it.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
Right now, in terms of total points at the quarterback position,
he's number seven. Now obviously have their bye this week,
so you know, some of that will normalize out a
little bit because you have Sam Darnold just behind him. Mahomes,
despite all of his like all the bad ink that's
been slung around him the last few weeks, you've actually
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seen a couple of big performances mixed in with a
pretty steady seventeen to twenty point performance. So he's sitting
at number nine. Kyler Murray. Look he's got three or
four just awful games mixed in, but still at top
ten quarterback. All that to say, bo Nick's one of
the great surprises. He was on average, just taking a
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quick gander, as you talked in number twenty eight average
quarterback drafting position for this last year. By way of contrast,
we go back and Aaron Rodgers was twentieth, Geno Smith,
twenty first, Deshaun Watson, you know, voted no confidence from
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everybody on this podcast, number twenty two ahead a Baker Mayfield.
Which is interesting because Baker, no matter what you thought
about what they could do, win loss wise, you had Evans,
Godwin White and everybody coming into the year. It's like
and Kate Otten, It's like you got weapons. So I'm
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surprised to see that the average draft position was that low.
All that to say, Bo Nicks one of the great
values of the year, But.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Where was Where was Caleb Williams and Jane Daniels like
eleven twelve?
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Like in that Caleb was thirteen, Jane was eleven.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Yeah, so that's and I think there are a lot
of people that felt Jane Daniels would have, you know,
a better fantasy year than Caleb Williams. That's not a surprise,
but it does prove my point. When you're sitting there
looking for that backup quarterback, you're in a twelve team league,
You're like, all right, I just need somebody. You're more
likely to take Aaron Rodgers in that scenario than you
would bow Nix. But kudos to you if you've taken
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Bo Nicks and what On the point about the Browns,
I don't think that running game will get going, not
because of Chubb's health necessarily, but that offensive line is
not the offensive line of Cleveland's past, So.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
It's it's it's been like that for a while.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
They've had issues at tackle, both tackle positions for the season,
So it's been it's been a bit of a mess
in Cleveland, and it's not the the notorious offensive line
that we've gotten to know throughout the years. But do
you bring Jameis Winston back and leave Deshaun Watson out
to dry?
Speaker 2 (14:34):
What do you do there?
Speaker 4 (14:36):
Look how every quarterback other than Deshaun Watson just puts
up numbers for the Browns. Yeah, Blaco, now Winston.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
That's it right, They're gonna put the ball in harms away,
that's part of who they are. But in the end,
I'm getting juice, right, I'm getting a team that's motivated,
that's ready to play for Deshaun Watson. It never seemed
like anybody wanted to play with or for that guy,
and I well, I don't pretend to know the locker room,
but look, we've got enough of a sample size of
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the guy on the field. The last couple of years
when he was healthy and available, did it look like
anybody was going the extra mile?
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Jamis Winston seemed to like him, which ironically is the
guy who just can never be on the field at
the same time as him.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
So well, you know the the and I think Ian
makes a really good point because that's how I looked
at it, Like the Jamis Winston success is the second
to the notion of like, okay, this reaffirms it that
it is a Deshaun Watson problem.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
It's not just Joe Flacco is amazing.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
And maybe we knew that because Joe Flacco, you know,
was still turning the ball over with the Indianapolis Colts.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
But to have the success that.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Winston is having, that Joe Flacco had similar success, but
Deshaun Watson couldn't.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
That's all you need to know.
Speaker 5 (15:50):
Down the stretch here for Cleveland where we look ahead,
we do have a matchup again Cincinnati on the board
for Week sixteen. Thanks, So you know, look, you gotta
find the week the week opposition, right, find your wins.
As we say, oftentimes there's one for Jamison and the
component parts of that offense.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
For sure, Jamis can get you to your Fantasy championship,
and then Bonux can win it for you.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
Hopefully if you're able to parlay that together somehow, that
is your back to back quarterbacking run and you can
prove it to us here on. I watch your flex,
I'll find something in my random prize closet. I e
my large trading card collection to find your way.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Well, I'll tell you what something happened in week thirteen
that I never thought would actually happen.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
We'll explain what that is.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
And it's not Jameis Winston almost setting in an NFL record.
So whatdd he was twenty It was twenty some yards
short of shop at five twenty seven, Modern era Super
Bowl era Norm van Brocklin in nineteen fifty one. I'm
sure you remember this ian through for five hundred and
fifty four yards.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Oh yes, but I'll and Warren Moon.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Sit there at five twenty seven, and the five hundred
club is is a little deeper. Five or excuse me,
twenty five players or there have been twenty five guys
that have thrown for five hundred or more. But yeah,
if you wouldn't have had that pass interference, he could
have got a few more. Jamis Winston would have seen
himself on this list. I was going to say, on
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this list again, but he is not thrown for one
hundred yards or five hundred yards in his career anyway,
all right, I got to get to the crazy stuff
from week thirteen, and some names aside from maybe Bo
Nicks and Jameis Winston that you're going to want to
load up for or load up with for a playoff run.
He's Mike Krmen, and I'm Dan Byer. That's Ian Roddy
More next here and I want your flex. We'll do
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our report cards from week thirteen coming up in the
next segment, plus Michael give you some waiver wire pickups.
I know it was the fourth time in history that
it's happened, but Josh Allen throwing the touchdown pass and
then getting credit on the lateral gave my team a
complete boost. I was trailing in my league again. I'm
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out of the playoffs, Dale, but it happened to you too, Deal.
I was like, all right, hey, I'll take this next thing.
You know, I'm winning my game like it was. It
was crazy, and I know it's not the craziest thing
that we've seen, but just to think that your quarterback
is going to get that many points, like when you
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throw a ninety yard touchdown like you know, heck, like
we saw in Denver, the fifteen points that you that
you get, they it's like Wow. I remember when Ceedee
Lamb last year, that game against the Lions. You know,
I had that ninety yarder and you're adding up, like,
oh my gosh, your score changed so dramatically. With a quarterback,
that's usually not the case. But to have that double touchdown,
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I'm like, wait a second, and yeah, I ended up
taking the lead. Crazy, crazy, not the craziest play we've
ever seen in the end, I felt, But I'll tell
you what, It's sure change my fortunes in fantasy football.
Speaker 5 (19:03):
For the week. He finishes as the third highest scoring
quarterback ball throwing for one hundred and forty eight yards.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Not bad.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
That's not a bad week at the office. Uh yeah, again,
craziness throughout the weekend, as we talked about with that
Monday night capper. But yeah, that Josh Allen played, I
think I still think it should have been blown dead.
That like Cooper's Yeah, that Cooper's forward progress was stop.
He had three guys on him and they allowed him
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to keep it going.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Yeah that's not as fun.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Yeah, that's that's no fun.
Speaker 5 (19:37):
No, no, Look, and you know me, how many fights
did I have with people on our network about Josh
Allen years ago?
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Sure?
Speaker 5 (19:44):
Like I was the guy holding the flag and waving
it around forever about Josh Allen. So I'm certainly not
trying to take away anything from him, just even in
the moment, I'm like, Cooper looks like he's kind of
giving up play and now he pitches it, and the
way we go.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
The conditions made it such and I think it's a lesson,
you know, for anybody, and I'm glad that I didn't.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Sometimes you try to out smart yourself.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
If you have Josh Allen, just start Josh Allen, doesn't
matter if it's for the first half. I was kind
of ruining some of my decisions, being like because I
had I had other options on the bench, and I
knew that a blizzard was in Buffalo, so could have
started Anthony Richardson, who.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
Had a game.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Against the Patriots, and that would have made sense. But
like with a guy like Josh Allen in that scenario, Now,
if that would have been Tua going to Buffalo, or
if that would have been not to make it unfair
to Tua, but that would have been Baker Mayfield or
Russell Wilson, something like that, I wouldn't. I obviously would
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have made the switch but when it's Josh and it's
your guy, you're playing him no matter what.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
I do the same thing with Jalen Hurts, no matter what. CJ.
Strawd'd be like, ah, you know, like I don't know if.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
That's really the sort of game for him, But it
just was a lesson that you got to play Josh
Allen no matter what. And if it's snowing in Buffalo,
it may even come out better for you. And then
you're rewarded with a ten point score because of the
pass and lest the touchdown run if you will.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
I would. You know what's funny is you brought up
two in the middle of that. And he is a
great example of the tell me you didn't watch the
game without telling me you didn't watch the game, right,
because people point to the final stats of Tua as like, oh, look,
how great this was, Like, no, it was a miserable
effort for most of the Yeah, just because he stands
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up in a solid stat line doesn't mean it was
a good game.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
You know. There's another rule with that.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
When you see John hu Smith have the game that
he had, that should also I'll tell you something because
that tells you that two is not getting the football
to the guys that he needs to get the football too.
Like if defenses you'd have to think Green Bay is like, well,
just let him dump it off to John o Smith
all game.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
So that's all that they did, you.
Speaker 6 (22:15):
Know, Like there's you're right about the overall number and
two in the snow is what I'm talking about, because
the fantasy numbers that he had on Thursday night were fine,
but they really weren't battling the elements there.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
It was just cold. But yeah, I think that's another
part of it too. And I played against John Osmith
in the league, and I'm like, you know, gosh darn it,
you know that works out.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
But that plays in the hands of what your defense wants.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
No, it's it take the under and then just make
sure you actually can tackle. Yeah, if you trust that
your team can bring guys down, you'll do just fine.
So just don't let them find the seam like we
saw so many times in that crazy ass Monday night game. See,
it all comes back to watching Jamis slinging around and
now praying well that relieves him of his pick sick
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uh problem.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
And a week and a half ago, we had the
Snow game in Cleveland between the Browns and Steelers, and
I said other day after I said it, you know,
I said it on the network, and we brought it
up on Monday again. On the heels of this, I
don't want to see this every week. This is I
call it muted football. And because these teams aren't able
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to play at their highest levels, the Bills in forty
nine Ers are tiptoeing around the field because you don't
want to slip. And as I'm explaining my point, which
I ended up apparently being on the side of Skip Bayless,
which doesn't happen too often, but he had the same
point on Sunday night, I'm just like, I kind of
want to see the Bills take on the forty nine ers.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
I want to see the real deal here.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
And someone pointed out, yeah, they had more points in
that game than most other NFL games, but that's not
the point. The point isn't the point scored, it's how
they're scored. To your point about the Cooper lateral, it
looked like is maybe forward progress was stopped, but you
also have three defenders who again are tiptoing and trying
not to fall on their ass, you know, because.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
Or get called for the late hit because they're waiting
on a whistle or whatever else. Yeah, there's and and
defenses are actually more at risk of making a bad
play because they don't necessarily know where they're going in
certain situations.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Sure there's something to holding on to the football, but.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
If you're a runner or a wide receiver, you at
least have an idea of where you're going where the
defender needs to react and can't necessarily be as safe
and cautious in their footwork. So you are going to
get points at times, Like it's not a six to
three ball game. Teams are moving the football up and
down the field, but I just don't think that's the
way the way that they are playing is really true
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to their identity and who they are as teams and
who they are as offenses.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
Yeah, it's tough because I mean, I like natural element
weather games to a point, Like I it's the worst
argument you make in sports talk radio and TV. You
gotta have a hot take on it. Like I'm down
the middle on this one because like part of me
is like, all right, let's see what you do. You know,
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when everything's not in a dome and nice and cozy,
the other part is this isn't real football, Like if
I've got to worry about my footing, not only because
one false step gives you the run to the end zone,
but also the oh, I don't know, I may rit
my acl if I actually plant a little better on
a step or whatever.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
I mean.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
Because we watch Christian McCaffrey go down right, and as
soon as he he went down to the the ground,
I'm like, that's it, Like that wasn't a Hey, I'm
not feeling like I lost my footing. I'm going down
and it was no. Something popped. And then of course
we get the subruterer. Frame by frame, watch his calf,
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you know, watch his knee, all of this stuff as
we go through, and now to the ir for him,
you know, six weeks Mason Joy as well. We'll get
to the waiver wire stuff in a minute. But to
your point, Dan, yeah, it's it's you. You've got to
change your entire playing style. It's all right. We got
a game plan on on Tuesday, Wednesday, We're ready start
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the week in practice. Ah crap, there's five feet of snow.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Sure, and I think that there's there's there's something to
the five feet of snow that Buffalo embraces it.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
But let's be real, the Bills aren't practicing in that.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
No, But I saw some people trying to make that arguments,
like they get the advantagers they don't practice in that.
You think the players unions let them practice in that.
Hell no, that's why they all have these bubbles. Now,
why they cry that they don't have great facilities for
guys to practice in.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
You you're a Chicago guy.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
I'm a Wisconsin guy, and we know what winter is
all about. And and my point to everybody who is
loving these games is, you know, we're based in southern California,
and I'm surrounded by all these Southern California natives who
I'm like, yeah, it's awesome for you as well to
watch this.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Be like this is great.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
I go because then you can go outside to the
park and do outside yoga. Ye you know, like you
don't know the real struggle of what that actually is
in the life of it, Like it's so unique because
it's so foreign to you and your everyday life.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
But there is a there is a different flip side.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
I'm like, do you understand the work that it goes
in to try to go to a football game like that,
not even only before the game, but even after the
game and everything that comes with it.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
It's quite the chore. It is not easy.
Speaker 5 (27:33):
I wonder how much you know, I mean, twenty bucks
an hour, plus the hot chocolate whatever else. I'm always
curious how many people come diving in. I'd be one
up and I'm like, all right, I'm gonna need an
Allen jersey, yeah, or a raffle towards a helmet game experience.
I'm happy to come shovel.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Give them one hundred bucks in the pro shop.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
Yeah, you know, give me something a little extra juice
beyond my twenty bucks an hour.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
By the way, By the way, hot chocolate should not
be advertised, like you should just assume that it's there.
Speaker 5 (28:04):
I'm assuming I'm getting coffee and dotcha yes, yes, and
probably something off somebody's grill.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
If I'm showing up to shovel snow for your ass.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
It shouldn't be a part of it. That should be
the given aspect of it. But forty nine ers are
in a heap of trouble.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
They play the Bears this week though, Oh Misery Bowl,
how do you like that new coach? We're all fired
up Jalen Johnson doing all his media rounds and then
on the road at San Francisco.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Well, it's and I would love to know what's going
to happen, you know, in that scenario. Hopefully the weather
conditions will be fine in the Bay Area and we
can get a real true test of these two teams.
But I'm curious to see how your bears respond in
the post eberflus era as well, which is a topic
a conversation heading into week fourteen.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
Oh yeah, no, it's it's absolutely like. Look, I pulled
the press conference that they did on Monday with Poles
and Kevin Warren. It might be one of the great
comedies I've seen this year. So if you wanted to,
if that can win an Emmy or some kind of
Webby Award or something, put a laugh track to it.
It's hilarious, you get. Poles asked a question about the
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hiring of Shane Waldron, which we've talked about a lot
on the podcast and certainly on the network. There was
eleven seconds of silence before he answered, they have not
been in front of anybody since Thursday, Since before Thursday,
right Friday, they said Eberflu's out there because they quote
hadn't decided to fire him at that point. Maybe that
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was a little short sighted, is what they said. Ryot
Poles looked like he'd rather be in anywhere else in
the world. We joke about, you know, hey, what's the
worst scenario you can find yourself in that someone turns
a camera on you. That was it, because they asked
him about Waldron. I was like, pause, pause, like I'm
hearing crickets chirping. I'm here hearing you know, trucks in
(30:05):
the back like whatever you want to add in as
the sound effects, like just one after another. And then
Kevin Warren doing all sorts of tap dancing ultimately to say, well,
you know, Ryan Pole's gonna make the decision, Like no, no,
you just talked about committees and everything else, and now
you're basically setting this guy up as a fall guy,
as the next guy to go. You want to talk
about an empty suit situation, Dan, They might play for
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this coach, but I wouldn't think, to a man they've
got any confidence that there's any real direction here.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
I know that you've lived this life, so I completely
understand it. But so maybe I'll ask Ian, But Ian
have you seen the TikTok of the guy explaining the
Bears history of quarterback and head coach relationships. Have you
seen this, I don't think so where they haven't had
like a head coach in quarterback lineup in like twenty
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five years.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
You mean, like they draft one and then they you know,
hire a new head coach.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Yeah, and they draft so then the new.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Head coach comes in and it's not his quarterback. And
then so then they get a new quarterback, but then
they fire the head coach. So they bringing a new
head coach and that's not his quarterback.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Half measures don't work. It's not a winning strategy.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
It's it's an endless cycle. It truly is, Mike, that
is what your life is. And it could have ended
last year. But they're like, nah, let's let's roll this bait.
Let's keep this bad boy going.
Speaker 5 (31:28):
I told you the man had a year left on
his contract.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Yeah, And that was what.
Speaker 5 (31:32):
The scary part was with all of this train wreck stuff,
you know, because it was the perfect bookend, Dan, because
the end of game scenario for Caleb Williams was a
hail Mary that was short of the end zone. So
we didn't get the tip like a month ago.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
But you would have tackled at the two.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
No. Right. But all of that to say is that
there were some rumblings that he'd actually gotten an extension
this offseason from now. Now. If that's true, then that
makes the in season firing even that much more shocking. So,
you know, the the joke I made about McCaskey giving
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out his phone number to people at the tailgates or
something and then getting a bunch of calls about it
might might be true, Hey, this guy's gotta go. But
lack of accountability, all of that stuff, the Jalen Johnson
report that we had from from Jay Glazer on Fox
NFL Sunday, But all of it to say, you're a
(32:32):
mess right now. Your defense has played terribly. I mean,
I guess it was a good second half after getting
run all over. You could say, well, we only gave
up sixteen to the Lions and then only seven in
the second half, Like, well what happened in that first half?
Everybody wants to forget how horribly both sides of the
ball played there. So yeah, the answer is I have
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no idea what this Sunday looks like. But I certainly
have no confidence these guys will get it right when
it's all said in the long term.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Yeah, and that's the the in the long term. I
just don't know who. I don't know if they're gonna
want to pay whoever the top candidate would be. I
just I don't I don't see them opening up the wallets.
Speaker 5 (33:17):
Is going to be your guy unless it's an abject failure.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
But do you think about the Cliff Kingsbury stuff because
his relationship to Caleb, you know.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
I think that looks pretty on the surface. Ye, And
then I think when you go there and you talk
to them and they feel that you should take a
discount because you have a relationship with Caleb Williams, that
that would that that would then preclude you from not
taking the job.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
I'd stay away from him if I was them. But
it's at least, you know, entertaining to think about, because
you know, he did coach at USC when Caleb was there.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 5 (33:55):
Mean, it's it's the kick the can to your point, Dan,
in this marketplace, I mean, how many openings are we
going to see? Right, You've already got New Orleans, you
might have New England, you might have Las.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
Vegas, New York Jets, the Jets, the Giants.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Maybe yeah, you Jet, I think you'll love Jacksonville.
Speaker 5 (34:17):
Jacksonville. I mean that that's that to me is a
if they fire Zach Taylor, you go hire Zach Taylor
as long as he promises to coach the first two
weeks of the season.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Zach Taylor, like for some reason, Begos fans don't like
him as a head coach. And I mean, I just like,
you've got what you've got with Joe Burrow right now.
I just I don't know why you'd want to want
to split him up.
Speaker 5 (34:40):
But I mean, defensively, they disappeared this year and it's
not his fault. Everybody got embroiled in contract crap.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Yeah right.
Speaker 5 (34:50):
And t Higgins we've talked about at a bunch. He's
missed giant swathes of the last couple of seasons. Contract
slash injury and if you can tell me all you
want injury, Like I generally I'm one to just say,
all right, if a guy's telling me he's hurt, I'm
gonna take give him the benefit of the doubt, except
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when it gets that acrimonious. And you know, we could
do all the Hey, this injury normally takes this and
I get it. Guys have setbacks. What do you miss
five games? Yeah, five six games or five plus parts
of like some of it. Some you get to a
point of you know, teams and guys you know looking
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out for number one and look, get your bag. I
get that, But it totally disrupts opportunities and it always
goes back to that same old equation of you never
know how how long that window really truly is. So
anybody that feels good when your team makes that one
run and fall short, no, you should be pissed off
because you may never see that again. Because things change
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very rapidly in this league.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Yes, yes they do.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
I will put a bow this by saying, yeah, you're
at three openings right now.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
I thought yesterday it'd be three more.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
And Jacksonville Giants and Dable and I think Mike McCarthy's
done in Dallas. Those are the three that I think
that will happen. So I think there will be six total. Now,
there could be more that we don't see. I just
don't I don't see. I don't see a change in
Indianapolis considering what we've seen with Anthony Richardson. As of late,
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I think it would be a pretty quick move on
from Shane Steiken hasn't completely gone off the board, but
everywhere else I think is pretty set, you know, for
I don't know if anybody who's that awful that they're
moving off of anybody from one year. Maybe it would
be the Raiders, if you're like, hey, let's put you know,
(36:49):
our quarterback that we want to draft with a new
head coach. Maybe that, But I don't, I don't. I
don't think we're going to see that. I think Antonio
Pierce is going to stick around for another year, but
we shall see.
Speaker 5 (37:01):
As they continue to spiral. How much did Dionne Sanders
and Shoulder Sanders like that situation? Well, the Pierce is there,
I guess, is the question.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
Yeah, I'm not too sure, but it sure seems like
they're a match made, that's for sure.
Speaker 5 (37:17):
Well she dour, you know, thanking the good Lord every
time the Raiders lose.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
So yeah, there you go.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
He's Mike Carman, I'm Dan byer Ian Roddy's the executive producer.
We got some waiver wire pickups and our report cards
next here, and I want your flex all right, report card,
tom it is, I want your flex. I'm Dan Byer,
He's Mike carmen Ian, Roddy's our executive producer.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
I'm just going to start with myself. Guys, to look
back at.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
Week thirteen, Survivor one, I felt was pretty easy, and
for me it was the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
That was an easy cake walk all the way through.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
No I saved by the mishaps by the Raiders.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
I just felt along the slate of games.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Probably didn't use the Chiefs and I didn't think they
would lose to the Raiders for the second straight year.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
At Home.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
Almost happened, but it didn't, so you were safe on
the survivor portion of this.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Completely wrong.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
On the points of Palooza, I thought we'd get more
from the Chargers and Falcons if it was an interception palooza,
I would have been very good with Kirk Cousins four its,
but that wasn't the case. So I struck out on
that and cast no shadow on Ceedee Lamb and anything
but just three catches in that Thanksgiving Day win.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
So struck out on that one. So one for three
on my report card, Mike, how'd you do this?
Speaker 5 (38:32):
We we had some hits along the way. We talked
a little bit about the Josh Allen world, so you know,
top five on the quarterback board. He and Lamar Jackson
getting us to the Promised land there. Obviously, Jerry Judy
are big hit off the ninja list with his monster
game of his two thirty five. You know, you looked
over the last two weeks, he'd been at one hundred
(38:54):
and thirteen yards per games, Like, all right, let's roll
up the dice. Even against heretofore Denver Deep, I did
not expect what the hell we got there? That was insane,
but we'll take the victory and we'll move on. We
saw a little bit of success also when you're looking
at some of the cold soares. You know Stafford was
twenty first, Kyler Murray sixteenth, along the way, some hits
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on the running back position, mixing and Saquon right there
creeping around the top five. Sometimes you got to take
your your chalk where you can. The missus Jalen Hurts
was fifteenth, Saquon Barkley doing his thing. Mahomes was eighteenth.
Going back to your your your game there, Dan that
you mentioned Baker getting hurt, we get a mulligin on
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that one. But overall, I mean a pretty solid week.
You know, the quarterback position was a bit topsy turvy.
We had Jamis atop the board, Caleb in that second half.
I didn't know what to expect, but you know, something
to watch and you know we've discussed it a little
bit on Sunday morning. You got some attrition on that
Detroit defense, be some opportunities to come down the stretch
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as we look at what was a pretty fierce, you
know run up front that you'll find some love and
a guy we didn't really talk about much in terms of,
you know, running through the the the games.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
Right.
Speaker 5 (40:17):
We got our Jamar Chase. He does what Jamar Chase
does all of those things. But the Russell Wilson experiment
in Pittsburgh this week yielded some fantasy dividends that I
did not forecast at all, because well, I have no
faith in what they're doing in terms of balance, but
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for fourteen, just crazy, even even in a plus spot,
it was still the are we going to see it?
And sure enough we did.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
Sure enough, the hot plays cooking up, for one, if
you had Denver's defense or the Chargers defense, we don't
do team defenses, but they cashed in for sure.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Ian.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
Speaking of defenses, how'd your stimming defense is due for
this week?
Speaker 4 (41:05):
So came to you guys with two last week. It
was the Dallas Cowboys and the Los Angeles Rams. They
had two very very different performances, so we'll start with
the bad. So the Rams had one point, zero sacks,
zero fumble recovery, zero interception, zero touchdowns, only allowed fourteen points.
But so yeah, they ended up getting you one point.
Probably didn't do much to help you there in your matchup,
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but didn't hurt you either. Didn't lose your points. But
the Cowboys that was the big hit of the week.
They finished with eighteen fantasy points. They had six sacks,
of fumble recovery, an interception, a touchdown. They allowed twenty points,
but all that other stuff still managed to get you
eighteen points. So big day for the Dallas defense on Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
And the Rams did have a defensive touchdown, just got
called back because of penalty. So yeah, I think your
handicap wasn't that off.
Speaker 4 (41:54):
I was happy for a sec but yeah, I called
it back.
Speaker 5 (41:57):
Yeah every time, Every once in a while, the referees
will taketh away one of those big moments. One last
guy I wanted to circle back to because we've we've
had so many issues with the Houston offense and a
lot of hand ringing, is that Nico Collins still finds
a way as long as he is in the line up.
Another twenty point performance back to back in the two
full games where he's really restored. Obviously a sub ten
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in the first game back, but overall just a fantastic
run for him. So even with the struggles we've seen
from Stroud in the offense, we had, I had him
as my top guy. Obviously didn't get there, but still
finished as a wr one. So I wanted to give
him a little love and then Mike Evans, even without
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you know, Baker for a full game and we'll see
what happens. Right, he got cleted, but they have you
know what we're looking at for this coming week. You
know they're saying he's going to try to give it
a go. It is a game against Las Vegas. Can
he outrun Max Crosby? See how it's full circle. I
just wanted to get Max Crosby back in.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
Well, I'll tell you with Mike Evans, I for once,
I should give myself a little bit more credit. I
don't want to be that self deprecating. But when Carolina
scored on Tampa late in the game, they had used
a time out previously with thirty seconds thirty six seconds left,
they got to about the twenty five yard line, and
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at that point I was telling Carry Rhodes as we
were hosting Red Zone Radio, that I would have taken
the timeout, and they had plenty of time in that
scenario to do what they needed to do. They called
the timeout, scored out of the timeout, so maybe the
timeout helped from that aspect, But he gave thirty seconds
to Baker Mayfield, who hit Mike Evans, you know, on
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a play right out of you know, after the kickoff,
and yeah, added some bonus points. And then obviously they
ended in overtime with the with the with the field
goal by McLaughlin a short field goal, but yeah, Mike
Evans adding a few extra points. But I just for
as great as it was for Carolina, I just was like, no,
you left too much time. You got to you gotta
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milk it a little bit more if you're if you're
a Carolina But hey, something we'll learn and we learned
that Bryce Young has four comeback victories in his career,
and we were pretty sure that that's the only victories
that he's had in his career because I'm like, there's
no way he's won more than five games. So there
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was that could have been the fifth, but it ended
up being a loss for the Carolina Panthers, So so
be it. Well, we know you didn't win against the Raiders.
They won against the Saints, and then they won against
the Giants, So those are two wins. And gosh, they
didn't win much last year. Now what were they won
in fifteen or one in sixteen or two and fifteen
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or something like that. So yeah, so all of the
wins were come from behind victories already.
Speaker 5 (44:52):
Might give you some wins in the fantasy world down Yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:56):
Yeah, maybe he's maybe he's a waiver wire pickup for
this week. I about find out, Mike Carmon's got your
waiver wire pickups. They are in Philadelphia, so maybe not,
but let's find out who do you got to pick up?
Speaker 5 (45:07):
Well, certainly not for this week, but overall, I mean
you're looking at down the stretch, You've got a decent
schedule to get you through. You got the Eagles, and
then you've got the Cardinals, which we've seen some hit
or miss performances from them, both offensively and defensively. You
can pass against that Tampa Bay secondary, we've seen that
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a number of times. Yes, they're a plus team. And
then if you can evade Micah Parsons, we've seen teams
have some success against the Cowboys. So yeah, we can
look at Bryce Young as a potential option down the stretch,
a guy that I want to give you a dark horse.
We talked about it a little on the show Find
the podcast Smith and I Monday Night, but talking about
Captain Kirk with his recent struggles, that Michael Pennix Junior
(45:49):
might be, you know, warming up over on the sidelines
here soon enough, and they've got a pretty advantageous schedule
down the stretch. It's again depending on the depth of
your league in terms of bench lot all of those
kind of things. More the wing and a prayer and
and maybe a shot in the dark, especially as we
have the advent of more two QB leagues that suddenly
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you know, he can come off the scrap heap. Atlanta
with the seventh easiest schedule remaining according to our good
friends at Tankathon. Uh so maybe an opportunity there. There's
your price shot at the position. Russell Wilson still unowned
in a ton of leagues. He's got Cleveland. Look you
can you can make some hay against them. Jamis we talked.
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You know, he's on the other side of that matchup,
so not a great matchup, but again, you can watch
things open up. I am I declaring that he's gonna
put up a Joe Burrow like performance. No, but the
man has no conscience. Okay, he's gonna keep his sling
in the football. And they we talked about the run
game and the issues they're having.
Speaker 3 (46:49):
Dan, So as long as interceptions aren't negative five in
your you know that's.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
A good point.
Speaker 5 (46:56):
Yeah, check the waiting of things. Certainly opportunity and then
Will Levis has Jacksonville. If we're looking for a one
week by cop By apocalypse, can I spit that out
by apocalypse kind of option? Perhaps we get to that.
Uh the obvious guy at the running back position is Guorndo.
Next man up scored on Sunday night against the Bills.
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Mason to the IR it's too bad. I really I
felt he got of got screwed by the return of
Christian McCaffrey. It's like, just put McCaffrey out in the slot.
Let Mason be your running back. Sure, I know you
paid him, but whatever, or at.
Speaker 3 (47:33):
Least ease Christian McCaffrey into to play. But no, they
went full board, full board.
Speaker 5 (47:38):
So now both on the IR. Guarendo gets the opportunity.
How about Vidal? How are we pronouncing is Chargers guy? Yeah,
so we we've got injuries there, right, Dobbins obviously to
the i R.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
I thought you're talking about Sasoon Vidal Sassoon.
Speaker 4 (47:57):
That's the old ads from back in the day.
Speaker 5 (48:00):
Yeah, I think lustrous hair that we're also, uh, we're
all aspiring for. So there's a couple of options at
the running back position. Uh, Westbrook A. Keene is still
available in a ton of leagues. I'm not sure why.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
I know.
Speaker 5 (48:16):
Look, Will Levis has some of the worst highlights from
early in the year. The kid can sling it.
Speaker 4 (48:24):
He's actually been good the last week or two.
Speaker 5 (48:26):
Right, and this guy's been a touchdown machine.
Speaker 3 (48:29):
I'm in a three wide receiver plus flex league and
I've got dk Metcalf, Cooper Cup Drake London and t
Higgins is my receivers, and I got Westbrook at Keene
on the bench, and I'm like, I think I got
to find a spot for this guy.
Speaker 2 (48:46):
He's been magnificent.
Speaker 5 (48:47):
Yeah, the last six seven weeks, he's just been absurd.
Levis is cleaned up and that's the beauty of this
this NFL season, you know, to take the macro approach,
you know, going back to just put our NFL full
hats on. We just talked about Bryce Young, we just
talked about Will Levis. You referenced Anthony Richardson before three
guys everybody was ready to throw into the fire, and
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all three of them showing some signs of growth, maybe
some tough love behind the scenes, whatever it is. Right,
Young obviously went to the bench, Levis had his issues
and missed a little time or whatever. But all of
it to say, these three guys, they got drafted where
they did for a reason.
Speaker 4 (49:24):
It's almost like you shouldn't make definitive statements about guys.
You know, half a season shows today.
Speaker 5 (49:32):
Damnity and how dare you look? Damn pragmatism.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
Do you have any more waiver wire pickups? Do you
have anywhere waiver wire pick ups.
Speaker 3 (49:41):
But I don't want to cut you off, Mike, but
I was going to insert some information there.
Speaker 5 (49:46):
Let's keep throwing the ball with Elijah Moore and that
Cleveland offense. Again, I don't know how long Tilman's gonna
be out missed week thirteen, so we'll keep an eye
on that. But certainly, again, Jamis is gonna keep throwing
the football. Adam Feelin making some big plays in Carolina,
we like to Xavier Lagetti's still on the on the
list for you as well. How about Brandon Cooks with
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Cooper Rush as a little bit of a depth play
because we've seen that before and the tight end position.
Will Disley still the guy. I know you had a
muted outing from the Chargers this week, but potential for him,
and you're also looking now to the wire because Taysom
Hill's done for the year, right, so you lose him.
Speaker 2 (50:29):
Yeah, that's a tough blow.
Speaker 3 (50:31):
I think a lot of people were relying on him
at tight end and.
Speaker 2 (50:35):
Getting the points that he could be getting.
Speaker 3 (50:37):
But that's a that's a tough one, and I think
everybody was shocked that he's thirty five years old.
Speaker 5 (50:42):
It really came out of the woodwork for folks.
Speaker 4 (50:45):
Yeah, he was drafted at like like twenty eight or something.
I mean, I don't want to say that as fact,
but I'm pretty sure he drafted.
Speaker 5 (50:52):
Draft did the show. So we had a stretch where
we had a stringer. Do we have to explain what
stringers are to you in Yeah, I'm okay. We had
Taysom Hill on multiple times after Thursday night games and
Monday night games, just randomly like, hey, we're at the game,
do you want somebody? And they would always find Taysom
(51:13):
Hill would always be apt, and we only had him
on when he actually did something right of substance and
it just seemed like it we hit the.
Speaker 4 (51:21):
Jack bottom of Hey, Mike, how's the family?
Speaker 5 (51:25):
That kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (51:26):
Well, let me ask you guys this as we wrap
this up Late window and we'll have this on the
Red Zone radio show. Because of the six teams on
by and if you missed the teams that are on
by Denver, Indianapolis, New England, the Commander's Ravens, and Texans.
Three game window. What's the best game in the late window?
(51:47):
Seattle at Arizona, Buffalo at the Rams of the Bears
at Niners.
Speaker 5 (51:53):
I like, Seton, I have no idea what I'm getting
from either of.
Speaker 3 (51:57):
You, and I was I was thinking that the same thing,
and it's the Actually, the Fox is the marquee window.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
The two Fox games are the Bills.
Speaker 3 (52:05):
And Rams, and Bears and Niners are the one to
twenty five Eastern or the four to twenty five Eastern
time kicks Seattle and Arizona kicking at four or five
Eastern time on CBS. And then I'm looking at the
CBS schedule and I'm like, it may be a weekend
where they just give Nansen Romo off because it's not
their marquee weekend, and you're gonna be heading into a
stretch run where you're doing a lot of games.
Speaker 2 (52:25):
But my gosh, I look.
Speaker 3 (52:26):
At CBS's schedule, and outside of Cleveland at Pittsburgh, which
is basically only rivalry based, I'm like, man, I think
you could have the number one team go to Arizona
for that matchup for NFC West, you know, seniority if
you will.
Speaker 5 (52:42):
How about that get in for Bill's Rams one hundred
and twenty five bucks. I unfortunately will be well, fortunately
I get to go watch my kid play some soccer.
But would love to see Bill's Mafia in full effect
around so far. Yeah, I think that would be an
interesting little, uh social show job experiment.
Speaker 3 (53:01):
That season opener a couple of years ago. So yeah,
they definitely did. All right, Well, that's it for this
episode of I Want Your Flex. The Stretch run again.
Hit Mike up at Swollen Dome or on Blue Sky
at Mike Carmen. You can find me on Blue Sky
at Dan Byer, and on X at Dan Byer, on
Fox and Ian Roddy. Slowly but surely, at some point,
(53:23):
I think by twenty twenty five.
Speaker 4 (53:24):
I will make my way to Blue Sky at some point.
Speaker 2 (53:27):
Finding at on this score. All right, guys, there's a
lot of fun. We'll do it again soon and then
we always thank you for listening too. I Want Your
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Speaker 3 (00:33):
Week thirteen is in the books. Welcome in. He's Mike Carmon.
Hit him up at Swollendome. You can find me at
Dan Byer on Fox. Get Mike on Blues Guy as
well at Mike carmeron. You can find me at Dan
Byer on Blue Guy, who shows executive producer as Ian Roddy.
And before we even hear from Mike Harmon, you know
Ian's on AX at Ian Roddy Underscore.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
It's been a week. It's been through the Thanksgiving holiday.
Are you on Blue Skuy yet? Ian?
Speaker 4 (00:57):
I'm not on Blue Sky yet, but but I have
heard about Blue Sky a lot more now, so I'm
thinking it might actually be starting to catch on a
little more. The first time i'd ever heard it mentioned
was on this show. So now I've heard in a
few other.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Places, well you can find Mike and I on it.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
And I think Mike, we are making an impression on
Ian that at some point, by the time the season ends,
I think he will be on Blue Sky.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
A safe bet.
Speaker 5 (01:19):
That's it. I mean, it's it's basically as my friends
had in their wedding ceremony as water eerodes Rock, I
am finally here on a wedding day. So they dated
forever and he finally acquiesced. They've now been married like
sixteen years, but they dated for a good decade before that,
and that was part of his part of his vows, We're.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Going to wear you down, and it's going to happen
at some point.
Speaker 5 (01:44):
It might be ten years, but we'll get Jim.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
The fantasy season has worn me down, and I think
that there may be others in the fantasy world that
feel my pain. Whether you have three teams that's what
I had this year to regular guillotine, whether you have
Mike who's been doing drafts since mid July, actually even
earlier than that, and I don't even know how many
(02:09):
teams Mike has. I think Ian has six overall, including
is Guillotine squad. But guys, I'm crapped out, guillotine chopped,
longtime league, no chance of the playoffs, and I'm close
to being eliminated entering the final week of next week.
So yeah, so, but I'm still here for the party,
still here to hang, still here to do all the information.
(02:31):
But sometimes it happens in a fantasy football season and
you just got to find other ways to enjoy the
rest of the NFL. Luckily, my Seahawks are still in
the thick of things, leaders in the NFC West, so
that will occupy my attention.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
But we don't want anybody who is in my.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Spot of fantasy football to abandon the podcast because we
don't just talk fantasy football. We talk all NFL, and
we talk all different phases. I just wanted to put
that out there because I think there are some people
probably after we thirteen, being like, ah, well that's it,
that's season's done for me. I've only got next week
and I'm eliminated. But yeah, hang with us. It'll be fun.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
There's a couple of things to it. Number One, there's
always potentially the opportunity to play spoiler, right not all
league playoffs will start week fifteen. Maybe you got one
more week in you but either way, you know, change
it to week long tournaments. And like there's other variations. Also,
hate watching the teams that have defeated you in your league.
(03:29):
You can have fun with that as well. But obviously
we take a lot of shots at the NFL world
and the good, the bad, the ugly. Add the pop
culture humor and just random chaos, and we'll give you
something to listen to. If nothing else, you're gonna shake
your fist and call me a jerk.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Nobody's calling me a jerky.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
I think I got a couple on Twitter, let me
find their names. No, just kidding.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
We've talked last week about the drive, the fumble, the catch,
those had to deal with the Browns and Broncos. Giving
Ian Roddy, our executive producer, a lesson and I did
the test for a few more people around Fox Sports Radio,
and it is a generational thing.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Mike and I almost think we have to.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Do a better job of teaching our youth about the
greatness of the National Football League from the nineteen eighties
and really even from the nineties. For people like Ian's age,
who was born and by the way, I realized today
that I know Ian's birthday by heart now and not.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
An easy one.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
It is is an easy one, but I even mentioned that.
I think I mentioned it on the air. Hopefully nobody
took real advantage of it. But the point being is
that Brown's Broncos on Monday Night to wrap up Week
thirteen may not have had the stakes or the drama
as those two great AFC Championship games from the eighties,
(04:49):
but it.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Did provide some entertainment.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Jameis Winston being Jameis Winston and Bo Nix I guess
in a way being Bo Nicks as well.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
Great moments in gambling history as well. So you get
the big pass. The spread was six and a half,
so you get the big pass interference call. So while
it wiped away the opportunity for Jameis Winston to go
and break Matt Shops single game record, we also had
knocking on the door step here at the final final
(05:17):
minute of the game. And then Jamis throws his third
interception of the game, which you get the horse collar
from Judy plus Nick Chubb chasing down, so you don't
get the third pick six that goes one hundred yards.
But it was also one of those what the hell
man Like as soon as the flag came out on
the PI, it's like, all right, people are gonna get
their plus six and a half. I'm gonna finish the
(05:38):
week for the picks that I do At thirteen and three,
I'll spike on people that's against the spread and I'm
gonna go out the door instead. Well, you get more
Jameis Winston. But I would say this forty one thirty two.
Your final the over under was forty two and a half.
So Denver just on the doorstep again by themselves. But
(06:00):
also you look at this game. It was the perfect
bookend to the crazy ass five days of football we
just had.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
It was great to see Jameis Winston do what he
did because I actually thought it was over for him.
I thought that the success that he had early in
his replacing of Deshaun Watson, we're just kind of flashes
in the pan and lightning striking. However, that was not
the case on Monday night, and it was honestly, it
(06:29):
was actually good to see the interceptions as well, to
be like, all right, nothing's changed, and not that I'm
a Jameis Winston hater, how can you be considering his personality?
But I'm like, okay, this seems about right.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
This fits.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
This isn't just a guy that the NFL has been
keeping under wraps so far and really is one of
the I mean, he is a gun slinger, I will
give him that, and we saw it on full display.
But sometimes with those gun slingers come those interceptions, and
that's what we got.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
Well, that's just it. He's not going to go quietly
into the good night. Fifty eight pass attempts in this
one against a here to four difficult to navigate Denver defense.
So that was one thing that he raised an eyebrow.
Here right, even without Tillman, they're able to move the ball,
big chunk plays. The fact that Certan wasn't just glued
(07:21):
to Judy all night makes absolutely no sense, because he
did a good job and there are a few matchups,
but otherwise he's roaming free in the defensive backfield. But overall,
I mean four ninety seven, four and three. One of
the interception returns for a touchdown I had just happenstanced,
you know, the undercutting of the route a little behind
(07:42):
the receiver falls to the turf and is able to
get up and he looks around. He's like, hey, I've
got some daylight, and away you go. But all that
to say, Judy two thirty five and a touchdown, nine
catches on thirteen targets and Djoku had seventeen target nine
for fifty two and two. And we talked about it
(08:03):
Smith and I as we were watching it, like James
finished with a you know, the all important quarterback rating
was under a ninety for the game. Despite all the heroics,
we saw the run game for Cleveland shut down again
you get into one of these shootout scenarios. But Nick
Chubb just twenty one yards on the ground. He did
have the receiving touchdowns, so you got that gift for
(08:25):
you as well as another nineteen yard catch, but a
quiet night for him. So I'll take one victory in
there in terms of what the cold cold soares were
for last week. But for the Denver side, Bo nicks
two ninety four ninety three of it. For Marvin Mims Junior,
he finishes with three and one hundred and five in
a score. You know, coming into the game, he had
one hundred and sixty two receiving yards for the year.
(08:47):
So there you go, hey, breakout double up double That
was did. But Courtland Sutton gets over the one hundred
yard mark again six catches. He's been fantastic of late.
The one thing he did didn't get from Bonnicks. Here
with his two ninety four and a score, you only
had four rushing yards. So there was the disappointment for you.
He had a couple of great rollouts. Oh there, he's
(09:07):
gonna go, he's gonna go, he's.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Gonna give it.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
No, he didn't, and then he would end up finding
a guy down the street like that throw to Men's
was absurd, like just a rope.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Here's here's the good thing with bon Nicks. In my opinion,
there's the good and the bad news on Bnicks. The
bad news is if you are fighting for a playoff spot,
they have a bye next week, one of the six
teams of that week fourteen bye. The good news is
is off of that buye they have the Colts. Then
they're at LA against the Chargers. But your championship game,
if you make it that far, at Cincinnati, and as
(09:39):
we've seen, everybody is feasting on Cincinnati. So b Nicks
could lead you to the fantasy Promised Land if you
can just navigate this bye week and then maybe navigate
that week against the Chargers leading up to it, but
bon Nicks at least down the stretch here as some
favorable matchups. If you have been riding Bonicks as of
late for your fantasy starter.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
Think about that. The potential of Bonnicks giving you your
fantasy title against Cleveland Cincinnati team, I should say, which
coming into the year is like, all right, changing parts,
but you trusted the all right coordinators there, they'll figure
it out. Yeah, and they've just been an absolute disaster.
I mean think Russell Wilson went over four hundred yards
(10:22):
on him for crying out loud.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
And I'll say this because we are late in the season.
The trickiest part about drafting in a season long affair,
the trickiest thing like about drafting is you wouldn't take
a flyer on Bonnicks because of the names that are
usually available to you as a backup quarterback. Like when
(10:44):
we look, I know he's had an awful year and
Ian I'm not pointing him out because he's a Jets fan,
but I think it's a propos for this scenario when
you're drafting this year, you're looking for a backup quarterback,
you see the name Aaron Rodgers and you say, you
know what, I'd rather have Aaron Rodgers than bo Nix.
Running Back and wide receiver are completely different because you
(11:05):
don't know how rookies are going to acclimate.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
They could be the handcuffed to a guy.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Maybe they develop a rapport with the quarterback and all
of a sudden they're a big hit. So it makes
sense to take flyers on those guys. To me, it
doesn't make sense to take a flyer on a rookie
quarterback unless it's Jaden Daniels or Caleb Williams. I did
not expect this from bo Nicks. Different scenario next year,
(11:31):
maybe bo Nicks will be and Jayden Daniels will be
the reason why people are starting to take flyers. But
I just know, leading into the draft, I'm looking at
the names that I'm like, oh, hey, two is still available,
He'll be my backup. Or you know, Jared Goff still there, Hey,
he'll be my backup. I wouldn't have thought to take
a flyer on bo Nicks. But if you did, or
you picked them up early, kudos to you, and hopefully
(11:52):
you're paying me or receiving the rewards from it.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
Right now, in terms of total points at the quarterback position,
he's number seven. Now obviously have their bye this week,
so you know, some of that will normalize out a
little bit because you have Sam Darnold just behind him. Mahomes,
despite all of his like all the bad ink that's
been slung around him the last few weeks, you've actually
(12:18):
seen a couple of big performances mixed in with a
pretty steady seventeen to twenty point performance. So he's sitting
at number nine. Kyler Murray. Look he's got three or
four just awful games mixed in, but still at top
ten quarterback. All that to say, bo Nick's one of
the great surprises. He was on average, just taking a
(12:39):
quick gander, as you talked in number twenty eight average
quarterback drafting position for this last year. By way of contrast,
we go back and Aaron Rodgers was twentieth, Geno Smith,
twenty first, Deshaun Watson, you know, voted no confidence from
(13:02):
everybody on this podcast, number twenty two ahead a Baker Mayfield.
Which is interesting because Baker, no matter what you thought
about what they could do, win loss wise, you had Evans,
Godwin White and everybody coming into the year. It's like
and Kate Otten, It's like you got weapons. So I'm
(13:24):
surprised to see that the average draft position was that low.
All that to say, Bo Nicks one of the great
values of the year, But.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Where was Where was Caleb Williams and Jane Daniels like
eleven twelve?
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Like in that Caleb was thirteen, Jane was eleven.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Yeah, so that's and I think there are a lot
of people that felt Jane Daniels would have, you know,
a better fantasy year than Caleb Williams. That's not a surprise,
but it does prove my point. When you're sitting there
looking for that backup quarterback, you're in a twelve team league,
You're like, all right, I just need somebody. You're more
likely to take Aaron Rodgers in that scenario than you
would bow Nix. But kudos to you if you've taken
(14:00):
Bo Nicks and what On the point about the Browns,
I don't think that running game will get going, not
because of Chubb's health necessarily, but that offensive line is
not the offensive line of Cleveland's past, So.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
It's it's it's been like that for a while.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
They've had issues at tackle, both tackle positions for the season,
So it's been it's been a bit of a mess
in Cleveland, and it's not the the notorious offensive line
that we've gotten to know throughout the years. But do
you bring Jameis Winston back and leave Deshaun Watson out
to dry?
Speaker 2 (14:34):
What do you do there?
Speaker 4 (14:36):
Look how every quarterback other than Deshaun Watson just puts
up numbers for the Browns. Yeah, Blaco, now Winston.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
That's it right, They're gonna put the ball in harms away,
that's part of who they are. But in the end,
I'm getting juice, right, I'm getting a team that's motivated,
that's ready to play for Deshaun Watson. It never seemed
like anybody wanted to play with or for that guy,
and I well, I don't pretend to know the locker room,
but look, we've got enough of a sample size of
(15:05):
the guy on the field. The last couple of years
when he was healthy and available, did it look like
anybody was going the extra mile?
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Jamis Winston seemed to like him, which ironically is the
guy who just can never be on the field at
the same time as him.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
So well, you know the the and I think Ian
makes a really good point because that's how I looked
at it, Like the Jamis Winston success is the second
to the notion of like, okay, this reaffirms it that
it is a Deshaun Watson problem.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
It's not just Joe Flacco is amazing.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
And maybe we knew that because Joe Flacco, you know,
was still turning the ball over with the Indianapolis Colts.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
But to have the success that.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Winston is having, that Joe Flacco had similar success, but
Deshaun Watson couldn't.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
That's all you need to know.
Speaker 5 (15:50):
Down the stretch here for Cleveland where we look ahead,
we do have a matchup again Cincinnati on the board
for Week sixteen. Thanks, So you know, look, you gotta
find the week the week opposition, right, find your wins.
As we say, oftentimes there's one for Jamison and the
component parts of that offense.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
For sure, Jamis can get you to your Fantasy championship,
and then Bonux can win it for you.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
Hopefully if you're able to parlay that together somehow, that
is your back to back quarterbacking run and you can
prove it to us here on. I watch your flex,
I'll find something in my random prize closet. I e
my large trading card collection to find your way.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Well, I'll tell you what something happened in week thirteen
that I never thought would actually happen.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
We'll explain what that is.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
And it's not Jameis Winston almost setting in an NFL record.
So whatdd he was twenty It was twenty some yards
short of shop at five twenty seven, Modern era Super
Bowl era Norm van Brocklin in nineteen fifty one. I'm
sure you remember this ian through for five hundred and
fifty four yards.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Oh yes, but I'll and Warren Moon.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Sit there at five twenty seven, and the five hundred
club is is a little deeper. Five or excuse me,
twenty five players or there have been twenty five guys
that have thrown for five hundred or more. But yeah,
if you wouldn't have had that pass interference, he could
have got a few more. Jamis Winston would have seen
himself on this list. I was going to say, on
(17:23):
this list again, but he is not thrown for one
hundred yards or five hundred yards in his career anyway,
all right, I got to get to the crazy stuff
from week thirteen, and some names aside from maybe Bo
Nicks and Jameis Winston that you're going to want to
load up for or load up with for a playoff run.
He's Mike Krmen, and I'm Dan Byer. That's Ian Roddy
More next here and I want your flex. We'll do
(17:47):
our report cards from week thirteen coming up in the
next segment, plus Michael give you some waiver wire pickups.
I know it was the fourth time in history that
it's happened, but Josh Allen throwing the touchdown pass and
then getting credit on the lateral gave my team a
complete boost. I was trailing in my league again. I'm
(18:11):
out of the playoffs, Dale, but it happened to you too, Deal.
I was like, all right, hey, I'll take this next thing.
You know, I'm winning my game like it was. It
was crazy, and I know it's not the craziest thing
that we've seen, but just to think that your quarterback
is going to get that many points, like when you
(18:31):
throw a ninety yard touchdown like you know, heck, like
we saw in Denver, the fifteen points that you that
you get, they it's like Wow. I remember when Ceedee
Lamb last year, that game against the Lions. You know,
I had that ninety yarder and you're adding up, like,
oh my gosh, your score changed so dramatically. With a quarterback,
that's usually not the case. But to have that double touchdown,
(18:53):
I'm like, wait a second, and yeah, I ended up
taking the lead. Crazy, crazy, not the craziest play we've
ever seen in the end, I felt, But I'll tell
you what, It's sure change my fortunes in fantasy football.
Speaker 5 (19:03):
For the week. He finishes as the third highest scoring
quarterback ball throwing for one hundred and forty eight yards.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Not bad.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
That's not a bad week at the office. Uh yeah, again,
craziness throughout the weekend, as we talked about with that
Monday night capper. But yeah, that Josh Allen played, I
think I still think it should have been blown dead.
That like Cooper's Yeah, that Cooper's forward progress was stop.
He had three guys on him and they allowed him
(19:33):
to keep it going.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Yeah that's not as fun.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Yeah, that's that's no fun.
Speaker 5 (19:37):
No, no, Look, and you know me, how many fights
did I have with people on our network about Josh
Allen years ago?
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Sure?
Speaker 5 (19:44):
Like I was the guy holding the flag and waving
it around forever about Josh Allen. So I'm certainly not
trying to take away anything from him, just even in
the moment, I'm like, Cooper looks like he's kind of
giving up play and now he pitches it, and the
way we go.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
The conditions made it such and I think it's a lesson,
you know, for anybody, and I'm glad that I didn't.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Sometimes you try to out smart yourself.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
If you have Josh Allen, just start Josh Allen, doesn't
matter if it's for the first half. I was kind
of ruining some of my decisions, being like because I
had I had other options on the bench, and I
knew that a blizzard was in Buffalo, so could have
started Anthony Richardson, who.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
Had a game.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Against the Patriots, and that would have made sense. But
like with a guy like Josh Allen in that scenario, Now,
if that would have been Tua going to Buffalo, or
if that would have been not to make it unfair
to Tua, but that would have been Baker Mayfield or
Russell Wilson, something like that, I wouldn't. I obviously would
(20:57):
have made the switch but when it's Josh and it's
your guy, you're playing him no matter what.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
I do the same thing with Jalen Hurts, no matter what. CJ.
Strawd'd be like, ah, you know, like I don't know if.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
That's really the sort of game for him, But it
just was a lesson that you got to play Josh
Allen no matter what. And if it's snowing in Buffalo,
it may even come out better for you. And then
you're rewarded with a ten point score because of the
pass and lest the touchdown run if you will.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
I would. You know what's funny is you brought up
two in the middle of that. And he is a
great example of the tell me you didn't watch the
game without telling me you didn't watch the game, right,
because people point to the final stats of Tua as like, oh, look,
how great this was, Like, no, it was a miserable
effort for most of the Yeah, just because he stands
(21:49):
up in a solid stat line doesn't mean it was
a good game.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
You know. There's another rule with that.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
When you see John hu Smith have the game that
he had, that should also I'll tell you something because
that tells you that two is not getting the football
to the guys that he needs to get the football too.
Like if defenses you'd have to think Green Bay is like, well,
just let him dump it off to John o Smith
all game.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
So that's all that they did, you.
Speaker 6 (22:15):
Know, Like there's you're right about the overall number and
two in the snow is what I'm talking about, because
the fantasy numbers that he had on Thursday night were fine,
but they really weren't battling the elements there.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
It was just cold. But yeah, I think that's another
part of it too. And I played against John Osmith
in the league, and I'm like, you know, gosh darn it,
you know that works out.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
But that plays in the hands of what your defense wants.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
No, it's it take the under and then just make
sure you actually can tackle. Yeah, if you trust that
your team can bring guys down, you'll do just fine.
So just don't let them find the seam like we
saw so many times in that crazy ass Monday night game. See,
it all comes back to watching Jamis slinging around and
now praying well that relieves him of his pick sick
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uh problem.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
And a week and a half ago, we had the
Snow game in Cleveland between the Browns and Steelers, and
I said other day after I said it, you know,
I said it on the network, and we brought it
up on Monday again. On the heels of this, I
don't want to see this every week. This is I
call it muted football. And because these teams aren't able
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to play at their highest levels, the Bills in forty
nine Ers are tiptoeing around the field because you don't
want to slip. And as I'm explaining my point, which
I ended up apparently being on the side of Skip Bayless,
which doesn't happen too often, but he had the same
point on Sunday night, I'm just like, I kind of
want to see the Bills take on the forty nine ers.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
I want to see the real deal here.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
And someone pointed out, yeah, they had more points in
that game than most other NFL games, but that's not
the point. The point isn't the point scored, it's how
they're scored. To your point about the Cooper lateral, it
looked like is maybe forward progress was stopped, but you
also have three defenders who again are tiptoing and trying
not to fall on their ass, you know, because.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
Or get called for the late hit because they're waiting
on a whistle or whatever else. Yeah, there's and and
defenses are actually more at risk of making a bad
play because they don't necessarily know where they're going in
certain situations.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Sure there's something to holding on to the football, but.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
If you're a runner or a wide receiver, you at
least have an idea of where you're going where the
defender needs to react and can't necessarily be as safe
and cautious in their footwork. So you are going to
get points at times, Like it's not a six to
three ball game. Teams are moving the football up and
down the field, but I just don't think that's the
way the way that they are playing is really true
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to their identity and who they are as teams and
who they are as offenses.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
Yeah, it's tough because I mean, I like natural element
weather games to a point, Like I it's the worst
argument you make in sports talk radio and TV. You
gotta have a hot take on it. Like I'm down
the middle on this one because like part of me
is like, all right, let's see what you do. You know,
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when everything's not in a dome and nice and cozy,
the other part is this isn't real football, Like if
I've got to worry about my footing, not only because
one false step gives you the run to the end zone,
but also the oh, I don't know, I may rit
my acl if I actually plant a little better on
a step or whatever.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
I mean.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
Because we watch Christian McCaffrey go down right, and as
soon as he he went down to the the ground,
I'm like, that's it, Like that wasn't a Hey, I'm
not feeling like I lost my footing. I'm going down
and it was no. Something popped. And then of course
we get the subruterer. Frame by frame, watch his calf,
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you know, watch his knee, all of this stuff as
we go through, and now to the ir for him,
you know, six weeks Mason Joy as well. We'll get
to the waiver wire stuff in a minute. But to
your point, Dan, yeah, it's it's you. You've got to
change your entire playing style. It's all right. We got
a game plan on on Tuesday, Wednesday, We're ready start
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the week in practice. Ah crap, there's five feet of snow.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Sure, and I think that there's there's there's something to
the five feet of snow that Buffalo embraces it.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
But let's be real, the Bills aren't practicing in that.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
No, But I saw some people trying to make that arguments,
like they get the advantagers they don't practice in that.
You think the players unions let them practice in that.
Hell no, that's why they all have these bubbles. Now,
why they cry that they don't have great facilities for
guys to practice in.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
You you're a Chicago guy.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
I'm a Wisconsin guy, and we know what winter is
all about. And and my point to everybody who is
loving these games is, you know, we're based in southern California,
and I'm surrounded by all these Southern California natives who
I'm like, yeah, it's awesome for you as well to
watch this.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Be like this is great.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
I go because then you can go outside to the
park and do outside yoga. Ye you know, like you
don't know the real struggle of what that actually is
in the life of it, Like it's so unique because
it's so foreign to you and your everyday life.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
But there is a there is a different flip side.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
I'm like, do you understand the work that it goes
in to try to go to a football game like that,
not even only before the game, but even after the
game and everything that comes with it.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
It's quite the chore. It is not easy.
Speaker 5 (27:33):
I wonder how much you know, I mean, twenty bucks
an hour, plus the hot chocolate whatever else. I'm always
curious how many people come diving in. I'd be one
up and I'm like, all right, I'm gonna need an
Allen jersey, yeah, or a raffle towards a helmet game experience.
I'm happy to come shovel.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Give them one hundred bucks in the pro shop.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
Yeah, you know, give me something a little extra juice
beyond my twenty bucks an hour.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
By the way, By the way, hot chocolate should not
be advertised, like you should just assume that it's there.
Speaker 5 (28:04):
I'm assuming I'm getting coffee and dotcha yes, yes, and
probably something off somebody's grill.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
If I'm showing up to shovel snow for your ass.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
It shouldn't be a part of it. That should be
the given aspect of it. But forty nine ers are
in a heap of trouble.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
They play the Bears this week though, Oh Misery Bowl,
how do you like that new coach? We're all fired
up Jalen Johnson doing all his media rounds and then
on the road at San Francisco.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Well, it's and I would love to know what's going
to happen, you know, in that scenario. Hopefully the weather
conditions will be fine in the Bay Area and we
can get a real true test of these two teams.
But I'm curious to see how your bears respond in
the post eberflus era as well, which is a topic
a conversation heading into week fourteen.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
Oh yeah, no, it's it's absolutely like. Look, I pulled
the press conference that they did on Monday with Poles
and Kevin Warren. It might be one of the great
comedies I've seen this year. So if you wanted to,
if that can win an Emmy or some kind of
Webby Award or something, put a laugh track to it.
It's hilarious, you get. Poles asked a question about the
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hiring of Shane Waldron, which we've talked about a lot
on the podcast and certainly on the network. There was
eleven seconds of silence before he answered, they have not
been in front of anybody since Thursday, Since before Thursday,
right Friday, they said Eberflu's out there because they quote
hadn't decided to fire him at that point. Maybe that
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was a little short sighted, is what they said. Ryot
Poles looked like he'd rather be in anywhere else in
the world. We joke about, you know, hey, what's the
worst scenario you can find yourself in that someone turns
a camera on you. That was it, because they asked
him about Waldron. I was like, pause, pause, like I'm
hearing crickets chirping. I'm here hearing you know, trucks in
(30:05):
the back like whatever you want to add in as
the sound effects, like just one after another. And then
Kevin Warren doing all sorts of tap dancing ultimately to say, well,
you know, Ryan Pole's gonna make the decision, Like no, no,
you just talked about committees and everything else, and now
you're basically setting this guy up as a fall guy,
as the next guy to go. You want to talk
about an empty suit situation, Dan, They might play for
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this coach, but I wouldn't think, to a man they've
got any confidence that there's any real direction here.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
I know that you've lived this life, so I completely
understand it. But so maybe I'll ask Ian, But Ian
have you seen the TikTok of the guy explaining the
Bears history of quarterback and head coach relationships. Have you
seen this, I don't think so where they haven't had
like a head coach in quarterback lineup in like twenty
(30:57):
five years.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
You mean, like they draft one and then they you know,
hire a new head coach.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Yeah, and they draft so then the new.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Head coach comes in and it's not his quarterback. And
then so then they get a new quarterback, but then
they fire the head coach. So they bringing a new
head coach and that's not his quarterback.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Half measures don't work. It's not a winning strategy.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
It's it's an endless cycle. It truly is, Mike, that
is what your life is. And it could have ended
last year. But they're like, nah, let's let's roll this bait.
Let's keep this bad boy going.
Speaker 5 (31:28):
I told you the man had a year left on
his contract.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Yeah, And that was what.
Speaker 5 (31:32):
The scary part was with all of this train wreck stuff,
you know, because it was the perfect bookend, Dan, because
the end of game scenario for Caleb Williams was a
hail Mary that was short of the end zone. So
we didn't get the tip like a month ago.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
But you would have tackled at the two.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
No. Right. But all of that to say is that
there were some rumblings that he'd actually gotten an extension
this offseason from now. Now. If that's true, then that
makes the in season firing even that much more shocking. So,
you know, the the joke I made about McCaskey giving
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out his phone number to people at the tailgates or
something and then getting a bunch of calls about it
might might be true, Hey, this guy's gotta go. But
lack of accountability, all of that stuff, the Jalen Johnson
report that we had from from Jay Glazer on Fox
NFL Sunday, But all of it to say, you're a
(32:32):
mess right now. Your defense has played terribly. I mean,
I guess it was a good second half after getting
run all over. You could say, well, we only gave
up sixteen to the Lions and then only seven in
the second half, Like, well what happened in that first half?
Everybody wants to forget how horribly both sides of the
ball played there. So yeah, the answer is I have
(32:52):
no idea what this Sunday looks like. But I certainly
have no confidence these guys will get it right when
it's all said in the long term.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Yeah, and that's the the in the long term. I
just don't know who. I don't know if they're gonna
want to pay whoever the top candidate would be. I
just I don't I don't see them opening up the wallets.
Speaker 5 (33:17):
Is going to be your guy unless it's an abject failure.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
But do you think about the Cliff Kingsbury stuff because
his relationship to Caleb, you know.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
I think that looks pretty on the surface. Ye, And
then I think when you go there and you talk
to them and they feel that you should take a
discount because you have a relationship with Caleb Williams, that
that would that that would then preclude you from not
taking the job.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
I'd stay away from him if I was them. But
it's at least, you know, entertaining to think about, because
you know, he did coach at USC when Caleb was there.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 5 (33:55):
Mean, it's it's the kick the can to your point, Dan,
in this marketplace, I mean, how many openings are we
going to see? Right, You've already got New Orleans, you
might have New England, you might have Las.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
Vegas, New York Jets, the Jets, the Giants.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Maybe yeah, you Jet, I think you'll love Jacksonville.
Speaker 5 (34:17):
Jacksonville. I mean that that's that to me is a
if they fire Zach Taylor, you go hire Zach Taylor
as long as he promises to coach the first two
weeks of the season.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Zach Taylor, like for some reason, Begos fans don't like
him as a head coach. And I mean, I just like,
you've got what you've got with Joe Burrow right now.
I just I don't know why you'd want to want
to split him up.
Speaker 5 (34:40):
But I mean, defensively, they disappeared this year and it's
not his fault. Everybody got embroiled in contract crap.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Yeah right.
Speaker 5 (34:50):
And t Higgins we've talked about at a bunch. He's
missed giant swathes of the last couple of seasons. Contract
slash injury and if you can tell me all you
want injury, Like I generally I'm one to just say,
all right, if a guy's telling me he's hurt, I'm
gonna take give him the benefit of the doubt, except
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when it gets that acrimonious. And you know, we could
do all the Hey, this injury normally takes this and
I get it. Guys have setbacks. What do you miss
five games? Yeah, five six games or five plus parts
of like some of it. Some you get to a
point of you know, teams and guys you know looking
(35:32):
out for number one and look, get your bag. I
get that, But it totally disrupts opportunities and it always
goes back to that same old equation of you never
know how how long that window really truly is. So
anybody that feels good when your team makes that one
run and fall short, no, you should be pissed off
because you may never see that again. Because things change
(35:55):
very rapidly in this league.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Yes, yes they do.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
I will put a bow this by saying, yeah, you're
at three openings right now.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
I thought yesterday it'd be three more.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
And Jacksonville Giants and Dable and I think Mike McCarthy's
done in Dallas. Those are the three that I think
that will happen. So I think there will be six total. Now,
there could be more that we don't see. I just
don't I don't see. I don't see a change in
Indianapolis considering what we've seen with Anthony Richardson. As of late,
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I think it would be a pretty quick move on
from Shane Steiken hasn't completely gone off the board, but
everywhere else I think is pretty set, you know, for
I don't know if anybody who's that awful that they're
moving off of anybody from one year. Maybe it would
be the Raiders, if you're like, hey, let's put you know,
(36:49):
our quarterback that we want to draft with a new
head coach. Maybe that, But I don't, I don't. I
don't think we're going to see that. I think Antonio
Pierce is going to stick around for another year, but
we shall see.
Speaker 5 (37:01):
As they continue to spiral. How much did Dionne Sanders
and Shoulder Sanders like that situation? Well, the Pierce is there,
I guess, is the question.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
Yeah, I'm not too sure, but it sure seems like
they're a match made, that's for sure.
Speaker 5 (37:17):
Well she dour, you know, thanking the good Lord every
time the Raiders lose.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
So yeah, there you go.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
He's Mike Carman, I'm Dan byer Ian Roddy's the executive producer.
We got some waiver wire pickups and our report cards
next here, and I want your flex all right, report card,
tom it is, I want your flex. I'm Dan Byer,
He's Mike carmen Ian, Roddy's our executive producer.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
I'm just going to start with myself. Guys, to look
back at.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
Week thirteen, Survivor one, I felt was pretty easy, and
for me it was the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
That was an easy cake walk all the way through.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
No I saved by the mishaps by the Raiders.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
I just felt along the slate of games.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Probably didn't use the Chiefs and I didn't think they
would lose to the Raiders for the second straight year.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
At Home.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
Almost happened, but it didn't, so you were safe on
the survivor portion of this.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Completely wrong.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
On the points of Palooza, I thought we'd get more
from the Chargers and Falcons if it was an interception palooza,
I would have been very good with Kirk Cousins four its,
but that wasn't the case. So I struck out on
that and cast no shadow on Ceedee Lamb and anything
but just three catches in that Thanksgiving Day win.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
So struck out on that one. So one for three
on my report card, Mike, how'd you do this?
Speaker 5 (38:32):
We we had some hits along the way. We talked
a little bit about the Josh Allen world, so you know,
top five on the quarterback board. He and Lamar Jackson
getting us to the Promised land there. Obviously, Jerry Judy
are big hit off the ninja list with his monster
game of his two thirty five. You know, you looked
over the last two weeks, he'd been at one hundred
(38:54):
and thirteen yards per games, Like, all right, let's roll
up the dice. Even against heretofore Denver Deep, I did
not expect what the hell we got there? That was insane,
but we'll take the victory and we'll move on. We
saw a little bit of success also when you're looking
at some of the cold soares. You know Stafford was
twenty first, Kyler Murray sixteenth, along the way, some hits
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on the running back position, mixing and Saquon right there
creeping around the top five. Sometimes you got to take
your your chalk where you can. The missus Jalen Hurts
was fifteenth, Saquon Barkley doing his thing. Mahomes was eighteenth.
Going back to your your your game there, Dan that
you mentioned Baker getting hurt, we get a mulligin on
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that one. But overall, I mean a pretty solid week.
You know, the quarterback position was a bit topsy turvy.
We had Jamis atop the board, Caleb in that second half.
I didn't know what to expect, but you know, something
to watch and you know we've discussed it a little
bit on Sunday morning. You got some attrition on that
Detroit defense, be some opportunities to come down the stretch
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as we look at what was a pretty fierce, you
know run up front that you'll find some love and
a guy we didn't really talk about much in terms of,
you know, running through the the the games.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
Right.
Speaker 5 (40:17):
We got our Jamar Chase. He does what Jamar Chase
does all of those things. But the Russell Wilson experiment
in Pittsburgh this week yielded some fantasy dividends that I
did not forecast at all, because well, I have no
faith in what they're doing in terms of balance, but
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for fourteen, just crazy, even even in a plus spot,
it was still the are we going to see it?
And sure enough we did.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
Sure enough, the hot plays cooking up, for one, if
you had Denver's defense or the Chargers defense, we don't
do team defenses, but they cashed in for sure.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Ian.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
Speaking of defenses, how'd your stimming defense is due for
this week?
Speaker 4 (41:05):
So came to you guys with two last week. It
was the Dallas Cowboys and the Los Angeles Rams. They
had two very very different performances, so we'll start with
the bad. So the Rams had one point, zero sacks,
zero fumble recovery, zero interception, zero touchdowns, only allowed fourteen points.
But so yeah, they ended up getting you one point.
Probably didn't do much to help you there in your matchup,
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but didn't hurt you either. Didn't lose your points. But
the Cowboys that was the big hit of the week.
They finished with eighteen fantasy points. They had six sacks,
of fumble recovery, an interception, a touchdown. They allowed twenty points,
but all that other stuff still managed to get you
eighteen points. So big day for the Dallas defense on Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
And the Rams did have a defensive touchdown, just got
called back because of penalty. So yeah, I think your
handicap wasn't that off.
Speaker 4 (41:54):
I was happy for a sec but yeah, I called
it back.
Speaker 5 (41:57):
Yeah every time, Every once in a while, the referees
will taketh away one of those big moments. One last
guy I wanted to circle back to because we've we've
had so many issues with the Houston offense and a
lot of hand ringing, is that Nico Collins still finds
a way as long as he is in the line up.
Another twenty point performance back to back in the two
full games where he's really restored. Obviously a sub ten
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in the first game back, but overall just a fantastic
run for him. So even with the struggles we've seen
from Stroud in the offense, we had, I had him
as my top guy. Obviously didn't get there, but still
finished as a wr one. So I wanted to give
him a little love and then Mike Evans, even without
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you know, Baker for a full game and we'll see
what happens. Right, he got cleted, but they have you
know what we're looking at for this coming week. You
know they're saying he's going to try to give it
a go. It is a game against Las Vegas. Can
he outrun Max Crosby? See how it's full circle. I
just wanted to get Max Crosby back in.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
Well, I'll tell you with Mike Evans, I for once,
I should give myself a little bit more credit. I
don't want to be that self deprecating. But when Carolina
scored on Tampa late in the game, they had used
a time out previously with thirty seconds thirty six seconds left,
they got to about the twenty five yard line, and
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at that point I was telling Carry Rhodes as we
were hosting Red Zone Radio, that I would have taken
the timeout, and they had plenty of time in that
scenario to do what they needed to do. They called
the timeout, scored out of the timeout, so maybe the
timeout helped from that aspect, But he gave thirty seconds
to Baker Mayfield, who hit Mike Evans, you know, on
(43:42):
a play right out of you know, after the kickoff,
and yeah, added some bonus points. And then obviously they
ended in overtime with the with the with the field
goal by McLaughlin a short field goal, but yeah, Mike
Evans adding a few extra points. But I just for
as great as it was for Carolina, I just was like, no,
you left too much time. You got to you gotta
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milk it a little bit more if you're if you're
a Carolina But hey, something we'll learn and we learned
that Bryce Young has four comeback victories in his career,
and we were pretty sure that that's the only victories
that he's had in his career because I'm like, there's
no way he's won more than five games. So there
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was that could have been the fifth, but it ended
up being a loss for the Carolina Panthers, So so
be it. Well, we know you didn't win against the Raiders.
They won against the Saints, and then they won against
the Giants, So those are two wins. And gosh, they
didn't win much last year. Now what were they won
in fifteen or one in sixteen or two and fifteen
(44:47):
or something like that. So yeah, so all of the
wins were come from behind victories already.
Speaker 5 (44:52):
Might give you some wins in the fantasy world down Yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:56):
Yeah, maybe he's maybe he's a waiver wire pickup for
this week. I about find out, Mike Carmon's got your
waiver wire pickups. They are in Philadelphia, so maybe not,
but let's find out who do you got to pick up?
Speaker 5 (45:07):
Well, certainly not for this week, but overall, I mean
you're looking at down the stretch, You've got a decent
schedule to get you through. You got the Eagles, and
then you've got the Cardinals, which we've seen some hit
or miss performances from them, both offensively and defensively. You
can pass against that Tampa Bay secondary, we've seen that
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a number of times. Yes, they're a plus team. And
then if you can evade Micah Parsons, we've seen teams
have some success against the Cowboys. So yeah, we can
look at Bryce Young as a potential option down the stretch,
a guy that I want to give you a dark horse.
We talked about it a little on the show Find
the podcast Smith and I Monday Night, but talking about
Captain Kirk with his recent struggles, that Michael Pennix Junior
(45:49):
might be, you know, warming up over on the sidelines
here soon enough, and they've got a pretty advantageous schedule
down the stretch. It's again depending on the depth of
your league in terms of bench lot all of those
kind of things. More the wing and a prayer and
and maybe a shot in the dark, especially as we
have the advent of more two QB leagues that suddenly
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you know, he can come off the scrap heap. Atlanta
with the seventh easiest schedule remaining according to our good
friends at Tankathon. Uh so maybe an opportunity there. There's
your price shot at the position. Russell Wilson still unowned
in a ton of leagues. He's got Cleveland. Look you
can you can make some hay against them. Jamis we talked.
(46:31):
You know, he's on the other side of that matchup,
so not a great matchup, but again, you can watch
things open up. I am I declaring that he's gonna
put up a Joe Burrow like performance. No, but the
man has no conscience. Okay, he's gonna keep his sling
in the football. And they we talked about the run
game and the issues they're having.
Speaker 3 (46:49):
Dan, So as long as interceptions aren't negative five in
your you know that's.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
A good point.
Speaker 5 (46:56):
Yeah, check the waiting of things. Certainly opportunity and then
Will Levis has Jacksonville. If we're looking for a one
week by cop By apocalypse, can I spit that out
by apocalypse kind of option? Perhaps we get to that.
Uh the obvious guy at the running back position is Guorndo.
Next man up scored on Sunday night against the Bills.
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Mason to the IR it's too bad. I really I
felt he got of got screwed by the return of
Christian McCaffrey. It's like, just put McCaffrey out in the slot.
Let Mason be your running back. Sure, I know you
paid him, but whatever, or at.
Speaker 3 (47:33):
Least ease Christian McCaffrey into to play. But no, they
went full board, full board.
Speaker 5 (47:38):
So now both on the IR. Guarendo gets the opportunity.
How about Vidal? How are we pronouncing is Chargers guy? Yeah,
so we we've got injuries there, right, Dobbins obviously to
the i R.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
I thought you're talking about Sasoon Vidal Sassoon.
Speaker 4 (47:57):
That's the old ads from back in the day.
Speaker 5 (48:00):
Yeah, I think lustrous hair that we're also, uh, we're
all aspiring for. So there's a couple of options at
the running back position. Uh, Westbrook A. Keene is still
available in a ton of leagues. I'm not sure why.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
I know.
Speaker 5 (48:16):
Look, Will Levis has some of the worst highlights from
early in the year. The kid can sling it.
Speaker 4 (48:24):
He's actually been good the last week or two.
Speaker 5 (48:26):
Right, and this guy's been a touchdown machine.
Speaker 3 (48:29):
I'm in a three wide receiver plus flex league and
I've got dk Metcalf, Cooper Cup Drake London and t
Higgins is my receivers, and I got Westbrook at Keene
on the bench, and I'm like, I think I got
to find a spot for this guy.
Speaker 2 (48:46):
He's been magnificent.
Speaker 5 (48:47):
Yeah, the last six seven weeks, he's just been absurd.
Levis is cleaned up and that's the beauty of this
this NFL season, you know, to take the macro approach,
you know, going back to just put our NFL full
hats on. We just talked about Bryce Young, we just
talked about Will Levis. You referenced Anthony Richardson before three
guys everybody was ready to throw into the fire, and
(49:08):
all three of them showing some signs of growth, maybe
some tough love behind the scenes, whatever it is. Right,
Young obviously went to the bench, Levis had his issues
and missed a little time or whatever. But all of
it to say, these three guys, they got drafted where
they did for a reason.
Speaker 4 (49:24):
It's almost like you shouldn't make definitive statements about guys.
You know, half a season shows today.
Speaker 5 (49:32):
Damnity and how dare you look? Damn pragmatism.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
Do you have any more waiver wire pickups? Do you
have anywhere waiver wire pick ups.
Speaker 3 (49:41):
But I don't want to cut you off, Mike, but
I was going to insert some information there.
Speaker 5 (49:46):
Let's keep throwing the ball with Elijah Moore and that
Cleveland offense. Again, I don't know how long Tilman's gonna
be out missed week thirteen, so we'll keep an eye
on that. But certainly, again, Jamis is gonna keep throwing
the football. Adam Feelin making some big plays in Carolina,
we like to Xavier Lagetti's still on the on the
list for you as well. How about Brandon Cooks with
(50:07):
Cooper Rush as a little bit of a depth play
because we've seen that before and the tight end position.
Will Disley still the guy. I know you had a
muted outing from the Chargers this week, but potential for him,
and you're also looking now to the wire because Taysom
Hill's done for the year, right, so you lose him.
Speaker 2 (50:29):
Yeah, that's a tough blow.
Speaker 3 (50:31):
I think a lot of people were relying on him
at tight end and.
Speaker 2 (50:35):
Getting the points that he could be getting.
Speaker 3 (50:37):
But that's a that's a tough one, and I think
everybody was shocked that he's thirty five years old.
Speaker 5 (50:42):
It really came out of the woodwork for folks.
Speaker 4 (50:45):
Yeah, he was drafted at like like twenty eight or something.
I mean, I don't want to say that as fact,
but I'm pretty sure he drafted.
Speaker 5 (50:52):
Draft did the show. So we had a stretch where
we had a stringer. Do we have to explain what
stringers are to you in Yeah, I'm okay. We had
Taysom Hill on multiple times after Thursday night games and
Monday night games, just randomly like, hey, we're at the game,
do you want somebody? And they would always find Taysom
(51:13):
Hill would always be apt, and we only had him
on when he actually did something right of substance and
it just seemed like it we hit the.
Speaker 4 (51:21):
Jack bottom of Hey, Mike, how's the family?
Speaker 5 (51:25):
That kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (51:26):
Well, let me ask you guys this as we wrap
this up Late window and we'll have this on the
Red Zone radio show. Because of the six teams on
by and if you missed the teams that are on
by Denver, Indianapolis, New England, the Commander's Ravens, and Texans.
Three game window. What's the best game in the late window?
(51:47):
Seattle at Arizona, Buffalo at the Rams of the Bears
at Niners.
Speaker 5 (51:53):
I like, Seton, I have no idea what I'm getting
from either of.
Speaker 3 (51:57):
You, and I was I was thinking that the same thing,
and it's the Actually, the Fox is the marquee window.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
The two Fox games are the Bills.
Speaker 3 (52:05):
And Rams, and Bears and Niners are the one to
twenty five Eastern or the four to twenty five Eastern
time kicks Seattle and Arizona kicking at four or five
Eastern time on CBS. And then I'm looking at the
CBS schedule and I'm like, it may be a weekend
where they just give Nansen Romo off because it's not
their marquee weekend, and you're gonna be heading into a
stretch run where you're doing a lot of games.
Speaker 2 (52:25):
But my gosh, I look.
Speaker 3 (52:26):
At CBS's schedule, and outside of Cleveland at Pittsburgh, which
is basically only rivalry based, I'm like, man, I think
you could have the number one team go to Arizona
for that matchup for NFC West, you know, seniority if
you will.
Speaker 5 (52:42):
How about that get in for Bill's Rams one hundred
and twenty five bucks. I unfortunately will be well, fortunately
I get to go watch my kid play some soccer.
But would love to see Bill's Mafia in full effect
around so far. Yeah, I think that would be an
interesting little, uh social show job experiment.
Speaker 3 (53:01):
That season opener a couple of years ago. So yeah,
they definitely did. All right, Well, that's it for this
episode of I Want Your Flex. The Stretch run again.
Hit Mike up at Swollen Dome or on Blue Sky
at Mike Carmen. You can find me on Blue Sky
at Dan Byer, and on X at Dan Byer, on
Fox and Ian Roddy. Slowly but surely, at some point,
(53:23):
I think by twenty twenty five.
Speaker 4 (53:24):
I will make my way to Blue Sky at some point.
Speaker 2 (53:27):
Finding at on this score. All right, guys, there's a
lot of fun. We'll do it again soon and then
we always thank you for listening too. I Want Your
Flex
Host
Doug Gottlieb
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