April 20, 2023 • 21 mins
Doug talks about the NFL draft and certain things that were said about Brady Quinn about CJ Stroud. Doug reacts to Dan Patrick's take about Dillon Brooks. Doug explains why the Angels are most annoying today.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Here in
the bonus with Doug gottli.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
What the bonus the Doug Gottlieb Show. This is our
podcast only hour. You are going to love it. The
iHeartRadio app. I wanted to start with this about c
J Stroud. C J Stroud, so there's lots of discussion.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Okay, we got some good NBA.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Stuff for you upcoming, But Brady Quinn said that c J.
Stroud basically ghosted the Manning family, First Family of Football,
and if you listen to his analysis, Brady's like, hey, look, man,
just a story I heard, and it's not great, but
I'd still haven't graded the number two rated quarterback overall.
(00:52):
And here's why everybody freaks out at a story that
some people reporting is not that important. Ryan Clarker course
comes out out and vehemently defends the kid because he
was throwing to his teammates at Ohio State.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Like, no one's saying.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
You can't have thrown to your teammates at Ohio State
and got ready for the season. But one it's the
supreme honor, and two how you handle it is important.
In three again, I think actually a more reasonable response
will be, well, hey, maybe something came up, or maybe
he's just a kid and he didn't handle it the
right way. Like that happens, right, I've forgotten to text
people back, I've forgotten that, I've had things assigned to me.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
I've forgotten shit in the past.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
The bigger thing is that this S two predictor test
apparently he scored very poorly on. So that's when you
start to kind of put together. Hey, for a long
time people questioned his athleticism. Turns out he's really athletic.
Then people question, hey, you got what wide receivers running
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wide open? Tell me an Ohio State quarterback. That's been
good because you just got better players than everybody else. Okay,
that's uesday. Joe Burrow's the best Ohio State quarterback. And
he didn't even play at Ohio State after you know,
he had to kind of transfer to play. But the
S two predictor tests, that's the one that perks up
(02:12):
my my attention. And I do think that organizations can
overthink things, but I think this is why people continue
to believe that the Texans will pass on a quarterback
or trade out of the quarterback spot at number two. Overall,
it's like, why would you pass up when you have
number two? You know Bryce Jung go'es won, why wouldn't
(02:33):
you take CJ Stroud? And I think all your answers
are provided right there. People haven't been in love with CJ.
Stroud with the exception of how he played in the
National semi finals. And I think you've got to be
very very careful, very careful to not overvalue one playoff
football game. On the other hand, you've got to be
very careful to not undervalue.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
One playoff football game.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Like what do you mean, Well, you know he played great,
but he did and so against and he did it
against Georgia elite team, elite defense, and he looked elite offensively,
both in out of the pocket running and making throws.
It's like, what tests can we present that provides data
that helps teams that you're not going to diminish the
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value of that test because you didn't get the results
you wanted. I'm just going to tell you right now,
if if what is presented as fact is in fact
factual that he did in fact bomb the S two test,
then by all means pass on him, and I would
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pass on him as well. You know, where we are
with Ohio State quarterbacks is where we were with many
of the SC quarterbacks after Carson Palmer. They had such
overwhelming talent in comparison to who they're playing against, it
was hard to determine how good were they and how
good was how much of it was just.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
The wide receivers are wide open, wide open.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
But I you know, I don't blame Brady Quinn for
reporting a story, for reporting a story which even after
reporting that story or saying this is what he heard,
he'd still take him number two. Overall, people want to
make a bunch of things like, look, being a quarterback,
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it's a completely different deal, the level of responsibility.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
And if you're hearing that story, it's.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Because there's so many other stories which support that. As
who the kid is, who the player is doesn't mean
you don't draft him, no, but it likely means that
no matter how Brighty is, no matter how polished he is,
no matter how he'd looked in a national semi finally
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he looked great, there are plenty of reasons for concern.
And remember you're in a sport where if you draft
a quarterback number two in the he's going to play
he's going to play right away, and if he's not
as good as build, everybody loses their job quicker than
the quarterback himself.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Let's find out what the Fox Says and now what
say every day at this time the Doug Gottlieb Show.
In the Bonus podcast, Who Play for You, a portion
of a previous show on Fox Sports Radio Fox Sports One,
This is Colin Coward said this about the one player
in the NBA he would start a team with.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Giannis to me, is the number one build around guy
in the league. Because of Mbid's injuries, I would probably
say Yo Kitch is a and his temperament. Yo kich
is probably my two. Jason Tatum is way up there.
Now let's you know Lebron and Steph Curry. You know
those guys are older. So I'm talking about guys where
I get seven years of prime Yiannis would be my one.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Here's what's interesting.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
Has Luca moved from build around guy to just really
talented but too volatile to be a build around guy
got three stars, can't play with him. He's now in
a second coach, And I'm saying, I'm asking the question.
I'm not making a definitive opinion, because again, anybody can
get a speeding ticket, you get six or seven, we
(06:26):
got a problem on our hands. So Yannis has very
much Yannis a Keeme Duncan, Kareem Russell. It's not just
that they're centers. Michael Jordan's not getting in trouble Lebron James,
Magic Johnson. It's not just talent. Are you an adult?
(06:48):
Are you committed on both ends?
Speaker 3 (06:51):
It's weird.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Colin didn't even mention the two guys that I would
actually start an NBA team with, and he's talking about
a franchise. Is an NBA franchise with as opposed to
I would When we talked about it the other day, it.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Was to win a game.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
And he didn't mention Kawhi Leonard, who's probably the Kawhi
Leonard and Kevin Durand, who are the two best players
in the league. So yeah, by the way, does anybody
know how old Janis is. He's twenty eight years old.
So here's my thing with Yannis.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
I like him. I mean, how could you not? Does
anybody not like Jannis?
Speaker 2 (07:31):
I'm I'm I And I say that in all sincerity,
like in terms of a likable human being you would
want to have on your roster or as part of
your family like that.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Dude's awesome.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
So what happens is when you say hey, I take
like some people take it as some defamation of the
character of Jannison Tennakumpo. This is Dan Patrick talking about
Dylan Brooks.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
There are players throughout history who will make a name
by going after the best player. You know, Lance Stevenson,
remember him with Lebron, you know, blowing in his ear
like all these things. And I for some reason, when
I was talking to Jim Jackson yesterday on the show, who,
by the way, is a wonderful analyst. So I was saying,
(08:16):
I don't remember guys who were getting in Lebron's face,
he goes, I did Jordan's face. He goes, I did, Yeah,
guys did that all the time. And then he started
telling me, he goes, it rarely worked out well, but
there were guys who got in Michael Jordan's face. Because
I thought, man, there's real there's a competitor, then there's disrespect.
(08:37):
And Dylan Brooks is a good player. He's a nice player,
but I don't think you would know him unless you
know we were talking about him where he's calling out
Lebron James. You know, Dylan, Dylan Brooks kind of create
you know, he's trying to be Draymond green Light.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Yeah, I think he is.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
You know, it's one of those like every way you
wouldn't talk to Jordan that way.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Well, I don't know. Jordan wasn't.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
It was just so different when Jordan was forty years
old playing in the NBA. But no, generally you wouldn't
talk to Michael Jordan that way because he would strike
the fear of gotten you. Part of that also is
Lebron James, who's never really wanted to be hated, only
wanted to be liked as well as respected. And I'm
interested to see what Lebron does the rest of this series.
(09:32):
I don't I've I've told you a long time ago.
I think actually shooting and scoring is the best thing
Lebron does now, as well as obviously stationary passing. But
one of the things one of the big flaws to
this Lakers club and he saw it some last night.
Is when he gets it, he just holds the ball
a lot and allows the defense to load up. And
he's not the same guy that he used to be
(09:53):
in terms of his ability to get by you.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
And then he's so big once he.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Gets by you, it's, uh, it's crazy crazy. So the
Dylan Brooks thing does feel very formulaic. It feels like
we've seen it one hundred times. Pat Beverly's done this,
like go back in every year there's some annoying dude
who's a slightly above marginal NBA player who garners attention
(10:20):
because they dress crazy, say crazy shit. So I'm just
not going to dive in. And I feel like I
feel like Dan isn't either. Dan and I kind of
a line on this one. Here is LeVar Arrington talking
about two a tongue of Iloa's admission that he contemplated
retirement this past offseason.
Speaker 6 (10:39):
When you get down to the brass tacks of it,
when you're making a decision that's so big, it's very big.
And while some people will try to minimize it and
say it's just a game, you don't understand. You don't
understand all of the hours that went into you just
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getting to the game. You don't you don't understand all
of the sacrifices and all of the things that have
have taken place in your life, all the all the
sacrifices that people around you made in your life for
you to have this opportunity that you have in front
of you. And while people will say, well, that doesn't
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mean risking the permanent health of yourself in the situation,
and I would beg to differ. Yes, it does, Yes,
it does to some people. To some people it means
that much.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Yeah, look, this is sports is different than the rest
of your life.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
And I think that's what LeVar is getting getting too.
And if you.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Try and look at sports like a regular, normal adjusted
human being, you're gonna think that sports is crazy town
and vice versa.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
So I actually.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Completely agree with the premise here, which and the premise is,
you know, if you judge things like normal humans judge things,
you're gonna sit there and go why would you play?
Why would you put yourself in harm's way? But remember
this is a sport in football where Ronnie Lott famously
cut off part of his pinky finger to play in
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a playoff game.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
None of this is normal.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
You know, a normal human being sprain's and ankle and
you don't play sports for a month. An athlete sprains
and ankle and you're expected to be back by the
end of the week, if not early the next week.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Right, that's just it's just a completely different mentality.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
As for Tua and contemplating retirement, it's absolutely an alarm bell.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Absolutely in an alarm bell.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
You know that he's reasonable enough to go, hey man,
I gotta I gotta protect myself. I'm the dolphins long
term investment. No thanks. I don't know how good he
actually is, or maybe I do, and I'm not willing
to admit it. I don't know how committed he is
considering the injuries he sustained, which is reasonable. But again,
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I don't have to be reasonable when I'm running a
business that depends upon his availability.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
That's what the Fox said.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. Let's find out who's
annoying and now it's your annoying.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Jay Stu, who's annoying you?
Speaker 7 (13:46):
The Angels. Angels are annoying. I think this might be
the tenth time they've been on this segment. I never
want history to forget that they were the team that
had Shay Show, Hey Otani and Mike Trout on their
tea and never even made the playoffs with them. The
reason I bring this up is because Jeff Passen dropped
(14:06):
this truth bomb on ESPN today.
Speaker 8 (14:09):
There's one number that we need to be looking at
when it comes to show Heeo Tani's future, and that
is the Los Angeles Angels record.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Because as long.
Speaker 8 (14:18):
As the Angels are in contention, as long as the
Angels have hope for a playoff, spot Showhyo Tani's probably
not going to be traded at the deadline this year.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
But if the Angels fall.
Speaker 8 (14:29):
Out of contention, and if you know, it's just more
of the same as it's been over the last five
years that he's been there, he could be traded and
he will definitely leave. And seeing him at Yankee Stadium,
seeing Aaron Judge rob him of a home run, seeing
him hit another earlier in the series, seeing him do
everything that he's been doing for the last three years
(14:51):
when he's been the best player on the planet shows
you why the Los Angeles Dodgers in New York Mets
are going to be the two teams that are butting
heads with the Giant and the Yankees and the Mariners
and perhaps others on the periphery. To pay the guy
five hundred million plus dollars, that's where the bidding is
going to start, and it's only going to get higher
than that because this guy is simply better than everyone.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Yeah, I would, I agree. It does feel like Mets
and Dodgers. And if we wanted to know why the
Dodgers didn't go out and spend a bunch in the offseason,
that feels like the answer.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Why. But why are you mad at the Angels?
Speaker 7 (15:26):
I just I want to make sure that people identify them,
say fifty years down the road, not for the team
that won a World Series in two thousand and two,
but the team that had Trout and Shoheo Tani and
didn't even make the playoffs when they had him. That's
why the Angels annoy me. Okay, I don't know if
you saw this, but the Warriors leadership actually spoke for
(15:49):
the first time about the Draymond Green suspension. They play
game three tonight, he will not be there. Bob Meyer started,
and then Steve Kerr afterwards.
Speaker 9 (15:58):
You know we've been here before. We got to play
a game tomornight. Once these decisions are made, there's no
appellate court. It's over, so you can react however you
want to react, but it doesn't change the fact he's
not playing and we gotta we got a game tomorrownight.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
What was your initial reaction and when you heard that
Draymond was suspended?
Speaker 7 (16:13):
Were you surprised or do you go immediately into okay,
what do we do now?
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Kind of mode?
Speaker 1 (16:19):
It was almost exactly that sequence.
Speaker 9 (16:22):
I was extremely surprised and then immediate immediately into all right,
what's next?
Speaker 1 (16:32):
How do we win the game?
Speaker 7 (16:35):
And Adrian wol Janowski said that the team is quote
unquote livid. I saw the headline the Warriors are livid
about the Draymond Green suspension. I'm oh cool. They finally
are admitting that he let them down and they're upset
about it. No, no, they're not livid that he put
the team in this position. They're livid that the commissioner
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suspended him. Like there's still in the enabling process. I
don't know if they're afraid of Draymond, that everyone in
the building is afraid of getting Jordan pooled cold cocked
or something. But like, at no point have they held
this guy accountable in this process.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Okay, you know I've stated I don't think.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Yeah, I mean, the the over the top antics are
probably what got him suspended, But I would also say
we would would you not agree that it was it
was a you know, it's like it feels like double
jeopardy to get kicked out of a game and to
get suspended for the next game for the same thing.
Speaker 7 (17:33):
Not with his history, not with his lack of accountability
and contrition, and then the teams and basically in lockstep
with him. Now, I think we're on the opposite of
that one.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
We are. We are what else you got?
Speaker 7 (17:46):
Golden State? Golden States plays tonight again, game three. I
have a problem with Golden State, and I have a
problem with New England. This is a larger conversation, but
what annoys me is that Golden State is allowed to
stay as the way the Warriors identify themselves. It's not
even California, it's Golden State, Like, why do we put
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up with that? I think my rule in sports, is
that you need to be identified by the city that
you play in. Period. There's no Colorado, there's no Texas.
You're in those cities. It's not the Colorado Broncos, it's
the Denver Broncos. It shouldn't be the New England Patriots,
it should be the Boston Patriots. Very annoyed by this.
(18:29):
I could spend an entire two hour podcast on this,
but that annoys me. And while we're on the subject
of Golden State.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
I had no idea that that was an annoyance to you.
I really did not, really really did not.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
You're not annoyed by that, No, I think it's different
and kind of clever.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
I mean, like, look, are we what about the New
York Giants and New York Jets. They don't actually even
play in New York.
Speaker 7 (18:53):
I don't know New York metropolis area. Yeah, Tri State'll
give them a pass.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
They're in a difference. Why do you give them a pass?
You don't give the Warriors a.
Speaker 7 (19:02):
Pout because we all know the Meadowlands is across the
river from the largest, you know, media market in the world.
So I think I'm I'm going to give that that
one a pass.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Okay, you do you boo? Is that it?
Speaker 1 (19:16):
That's it?
Speaker 2 (19:20):
H All those are are slightly annoying. I think the
Angels not being able to ever have a playoff team
with the two best players in baseball is probably the
most It's I don't know if it's annoying, but it's
frustrating and it's gonna go down. As I mean, at
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least the Thunder once upon a time went to the
NBA Finals when they had a hardened Durant and Russell Westbrook.
You can't get to the frickin' playoffs. Yeah, that's that's
annoying as shit. So California, Los Angeles, Orange County, Anaheim Angels?
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Do we have it because we can?
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Why are we doing this? Why do I because we can?
Speaker 7 (20:12):
Ryan Leaf on Twitter is Today's because we can?
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Quick backstory, just quick.
Speaker 7 (20:19):
Bill Pollian went on his thirty thirteen column and told
the story about how Ryan Leaf ghosted them at their
meeting in nineteen ninety eight when the Colts had the
first overall pick. He's like, Ryan Leaf didn't even show up.
Then Peyton Manning shows up and he's interviewing us. I mean, well,
we walked out of that meeting. Was that an interview
for us or was he interviewing us? And that's what
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made their decision. So Ryan Leaf read that and he
had an amazing comeback on Twitter. He says, quote unquote
on Twitter, as I'm pulling this up, where is it? Well,
this is just a huge fucking Why why Bill Pollyan
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continues to spew this bullshit narrative is beyond me? Maybe
he thinks it makes the story more compelling. Seems pretty compelling. Already,
greatest quarterback ever, biggest bust ever, doesn't need your shit
edit editorializing Bill Pollian Boom.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
It definitely is. It definitely is talking shit.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
But I would say that that Bill Pollion's story seemed
rather believable, and it wasn't told in a way with
the with a mean bone in his body. But yeah,
he definitely took this one. Ryan Leef took this one
to eleven. Why do we play that for you? Because
we can't. All Right, that's it for the ind the
Bonus Podcast. I'm Doug Gottlieb. We'll check you tomorrow. This
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
What the bonus the Doug Gottlieb Show. This is our
podcast only hour. You are going to love it. The
iHeartRadio app. I wanted to start with this about c
J Stroud. C J Stroud, so there's lots of discussion.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Okay, we got some good NBA.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Stuff for you upcoming, But Brady Quinn said that c J.
Stroud basically ghosted the Manning family, First Family of Football,
and if you listen to his analysis, Brady's like, hey, look, man,
just a story I heard, and it's not great, but
I'd still haven't graded the number two rated quarterback overall.
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And here's why everybody freaks out at a story that
some people reporting is not that important. Ryan Clarker course
comes out out and vehemently defends the kid because he
was throwing to his teammates at Ohio State.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Like, no one's saying.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
You can't have thrown to your teammates at Ohio State
and got ready for the season. But one it's the
supreme honor, and two how you handle it is important.
In three again, I think actually a more reasonable response
will be, well, hey, maybe something came up, or maybe
he's just a kid and he didn't handle it the
right way. Like that happens, right, I've forgotten to text
people back, I've forgotten that, I've had things assigned to me.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
I've forgotten shit in the past.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
The bigger thing is that this S two predictor test
apparently he scored very poorly on. So that's when you
start to kind of put together. Hey, for a long
time people questioned his athleticism. Turns out he's really athletic.
Then people question, hey, you got what wide receivers running
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wide open? Tell me an Ohio State quarterback. That's been
good because you just got better players than everybody else. Okay,
that's uesday. Joe Burrow's the best Ohio State quarterback. And
he didn't even play at Ohio State after you know,
he had to kind of transfer to play. But the
S two predictor tests, that's the one that perks up
(02:12):
my my attention. And I do think that organizations can
overthink things, but I think this is why people continue
to believe that the Texans will pass on a quarterback
or trade out of the quarterback spot at number two. Overall,
it's like, why would you pass up when you have
number two? You know Bryce Jung go'es won, why wouldn't
(02:33):
you take CJ Stroud? And I think all your answers
are provided right there. People haven't been in love with CJ.
Stroud with the exception of how he played in the
National semi finals. And I think you've got to be
very very careful, very careful to not overvalue one playoff
football game. On the other hand, you've got to be
very careful to not undervalue.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
One playoff football game.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Like what do you mean, Well, you know he played great,
but he did and so against and he did it
against Georgia elite team, elite defense, and he looked elite offensively,
both in out of the pocket running and making throws.
It's like, what tests can we present that provides data
that helps teams that you're not going to diminish the
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value of that test because you didn't get the results
you wanted. I'm just going to tell you right now,
if if what is presented as fact is in fact
factual that he did in fact bomb the S two test,
then by all means pass on him, and I would
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pass on him as well. You know, where we are
with Ohio State quarterbacks is where we were with many
of the SC quarterbacks after Carson Palmer. They had such
overwhelming talent in comparison to who they're playing against, it
was hard to determine how good were they and how
good was how much of it was just.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
The wide receivers are wide open, wide open.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
But I you know, I don't blame Brady Quinn for
reporting a story, for reporting a story which even after
reporting that story or saying this is what he heard,
he'd still take him number two. Overall, people want to
make a bunch of things like, look, being a quarterback,
(04:25):
it's a completely different deal, the level of responsibility.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
And if you're hearing that story, it's.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Because there's so many other stories which support that. As
who the kid is, who the player is doesn't mean
you don't draft him, no, but it likely means that
no matter how Brighty is, no matter how polished he is,
no matter how he'd looked in a national semi finally
(04:51):
he looked great, there are plenty of reasons for concern.
And remember you're in a sport where if you draft
a quarterback number two in the he's going to play
he's going to play right away, and if he's not
as good as build, everybody loses their job quicker than
the quarterback himself.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Let's find out what the Fox Says and now what
say every day at this time the Doug Gottlieb Show.
In the Bonus podcast, Who Play for You, a portion
of a previous show on Fox Sports Radio Fox Sports One,
This is Colin Coward said this about the one player
in the NBA he would start a team with.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Giannis to me, is the number one build around guy
in the league. Because of Mbid's injuries, I would probably
say Yo Kitch is a and his temperament. Yo kich
is probably my two. Jason Tatum is way up there.
Now let's you know Lebron and Steph Curry. You know
those guys are older. So I'm talking about guys where
I get seven years of prime Yiannis would be my one.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Here's what's interesting.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
Has Luca moved from build around guy to just really
talented but too volatile to be a build around guy
got three stars, can't play with him. He's now in
a second coach, And I'm saying, I'm asking the question.
I'm not making a definitive opinion, because again, anybody can
get a speeding ticket, you get six or seven, we
(06:26):
got a problem on our hands. So Yannis has very
much Yannis a Keeme Duncan, Kareem Russell. It's not just
that they're centers. Michael Jordan's not getting in trouble Lebron James,
Magic Johnson. It's not just talent. Are you an adult?
(06:48):
Are you committed on both ends?
Speaker 3 (06:51):
It's weird.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Colin didn't even mention the two guys that I would
actually start an NBA team with, and he's talking about
a franchise. Is an NBA franchise with as opposed to
I would When we talked about it the other day, it.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Was to win a game.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
And he didn't mention Kawhi Leonard, who's probably the Kawhi
Leonard and Kevin Durand, who are the two best players
in the league. So yeah, by the way, does anybody
know how old Janis is. He's twenty eight years old.
So here's my thing with Yannis.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
I like him. I mean, how could you not? Does
anybody not like Jannis?
Speaker 2 (07:31):
I'm I'm I And I say that in all sincerity,
like in terms of a likable human being you would
want to have on your roster or as part of
your family like that.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Dude's awesome.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
So what happens is when you say hey, I take
like some people take it as some defamation of the
character of Jannison Tennakumpo. This is Dan Patrick talking about
Dylan Brooks.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
There are players throughout history who will make a name
by going after the best player. You know, Lance Stevenson,
remember him with Lebron, you know, blowing in his ear
like all these things. And I for some reason, when
I was talking to Jim Jackson yesterday on the show, who,
by the way, is a wonderful analyst. So I was saying,
(08:16):
I don't remember guys who were getting in Lebron's face,
he goes, I did Jordan's face. He goes, I did, Yeah,
guys did that all the time. And then he started
telling me, he goes, it rarely worked out well, but
there were guys who got in Michael Jordan's face. Because
I thought, man, there's real there's a competitor, then there's disrespect.
(08:37):
And Dylan Brooks is a good player. He's a nice player,
but I don't think you would know him unless you
know we were talking about him where he's calling out
Lebron James. You know, Dylan, Dylan Brooks kind of create
you know, he's trying to be Draymond green Light.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Yeah, I think he is.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
You know, it's one of those like every way you
wouldn't talk to Jordan that way.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Well, I don't know. Jordan wasn't.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
It was just so different when Jordan was forty years
old playing in the NBA. But no, generally you wouldn't
talk to Michael Jordan that way because he would strike
the fear of gotten you. Part of that also is
Lebron James, who's never really wanted to be hated, only
wanted to be liked as well as respected. And I'm
interested to see what Lebron does the rest of this series.
(09:32):
I don't I've I've told you a long time ago.
I think actually shooting and scoring is the best thing
Lebron does now, as well as obviously stationary passing. But
one of the things one of the big flaws to
this Lakers club and he saw it some last night.
Is when he gets it, he just holds the ball
a lot and allows the defense to load up. And
he's not the same guy that he used to be
(09:53):
in terms of his ability to get by you.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
And then he's so big once he.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Gets by you, it's, uh, it's crazy crazy. So the
Dylan Brooks thing does feel very formulaic. It feels like
we've seen it one hundred times. Pat Beverly's done this,
like go back in every year there's some annoying dude
who's a slightly above marginal NBA player who garners attention
(10:20):
because they dress crazy, say crazy shit. So I'm just
not going to dive in. And I feel like I
feel like Dan isn't either. Dan and I kind of
a line on this one. Here is LeVar Arrington talking
about two a tongue of Iloa's admission that he contemplated
retirement this past offseason.
Speaker 6 (10:39):
When you get down to the brass tacks of it,
when you're making a decision that's so big, it's very big.
And while some people will try to minimize it and
say it's just a game, you don't understand. You don't
understand all of the hours that went into you just
(10:59):
getting to the game. You don't you don't understand all
of the sacrifices and all of the things that have
have taken place in your life, all the all the
sacrifices that people around you made in your life for
you to have this opportunity that you have in front
of you. And while people will say, well, that doesn't
(11:22):
mean risking the permanent health of yourself in the situation,
and I would beg to differ. Yes, it does, Yes,
it does to some people. To some people it means
that much.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Yeah, look, this is sports is different than the rest
of your life.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
And I think that's what LeVar is getting getting too.
And if you.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Try and look at sports like a regular, normal adjusted
human being, you're gonna think that sports is crazy town
and vice versa.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
So I actually.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Completely agree with the premise here, which and the premise is,
you know, if you judge things like normal humans judge things,
you're gonna sit there and go why would you play?
Why would you put yourself in harm's way? But remember
this is a sport in football where Ronnie Lott famously
cut off part of his pinky finger to play in
(12:21):
a playoff game.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
None of this is normal.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
You know, a normal human being sprain's and ankle and
you don't play sports for a month. An athlete sprains
and ankle and you're expected to be back by the
end of the week, if not early the next week.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Right, that's just it's just a completely different mentality.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
As for Tua and contemplating retirement, it's absolutely an alarm bell.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Absolutely in an alarm bell.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
You know that he's reasonable enough to go, hey man,
I gotta I gotta protect myself. I'm the dolphins long
term investment. No thanks. I don't know how good he
actually is, or maybe I do, and I'm not willing
to admit it. I don't know how committed he is
considering the injuries he sustained, which is reasonable. But again,
(13:12):
I don't have to be reasonable when I'm running a
business that depends upon his availability.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
That's what the Fox said.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. Let's find out who's
annoying and now it's your annoying.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Jay Stu, who's annoying you?
Speaker 7 (13:46):
The Angels. Angels are annoying. I think this might be
the tenth time they've been on this segment. I never
want history to forget that they were the team that
had Shay Show, Hey Otani and Mike Trout on their
tea and never even made the playoffs with them. The
reason I bring this up is because Jeff Passen dropped
(14:06):
this truth bomb on ESPN today.
Speaker 8 (14:09):
There's one number that we need to be looking at
when it comes to show Heeo Tani's future, and that
is the Los Angeles Angels record.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Because as long.
Speaker 8 (14:18):
As the Angels are in contention, as long as the
Angels have hope for a playoff, spot Showhyo Tani's probably
not going to be traded at the deadline this year.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
But if the Angels fall.
Speaker 8 (14:29):
Out of contention, and if you know, it's just more
of the same as it's been over the last five
years that he's been there, he could be traded and
he will definitely leave. And seeing him at Yankee Stadium,
seeing Aaron Judge rob him of a home run, seeing
him hit another earlier in the series, seeing him do
everything that he's been doing for the last three years
(14:51):
when he's been the best player on the planet shows
you why the Los Angeles Dodgers in New York Mets
are going to be the two teams that are butting
heads with the Giant and the Yankees and the Mariners
and perhaps others on the periphery. To pay the guy
five hundred million plus dollars, that's where the bidding is
going to start, and it's only going to get higher
than that because this guy is simply better than everyone.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Yeah, I would, I agree. It does feel like Mets
and Dodgers. And if we wanted to know why the
Dodgers didn't go out and spend a bunch in the offseason,
that feels like the answer.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Why. But why are you mad at the Angels?
Speaker 7 (15:26):
I just I want to make sure that people identify them,
say fifty years down the road, not for the team
that won a World Series in two thousand and two,
but the team that had Trout and Shoheo Tani and
didn't even make the playoffs when they had him. That's
why the Angels annoy me. Okay, I don't know if
you saw this, but the Warriors leadership actually spoke for
(15:49):
the first time about the Draymond Green suspension. They play
game three tonight, he will not be there. Bob Meyer started,
and then Steve Kerr afterwards.
Speaker 9 (15:58):
You know we've been here before. We got to play
a game tomornight. Once these decisions are made, there's no
appellate court. It's over, so you can react however you
want to react, but it doesn't change the fact he's
not playing and we gotta we got a game tomorrownight.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
What was your initial reaction and when you heard that
Draymond was suspended?
Speaker 7 (16:13):
Were you surprised or do you go immediately into okay,
what do we do now?
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Kind of mode?
Speaker 1 (16:19):
It was almost exactly that sequence.
Speaker 9 (16:22):
I was extremely surprised and then immediate immediately into all right,
what's next?
Speaker 1 (16:32):
How do we win the game?
Speaker 7 (16:35):
And Adrian wol Janowski said that the team is quote
unquote livid. I saw the headline the Warriors are livid
about the Draymond Green suspension. I'm oh cool. They finally
are admitting that he let them down and they're upset
about it. No, no, they're not livid that he put
the team in this position. They're livid that the commissioner
(16:55):
suspended him. Like there's still in the enabling process. I
don't know if they're afraid of Draymond, that everyone in
the building is afraid of getting Jordan pooled cold cocked
or something. But like, at no point have they held
this guy accountable in this process.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Okay, you know I've stated I don't think.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Yeah, I mean, the the over the top antics are
probably what got him suspended, But I would also say
we would would you not agree that it was it
was a you know, it's like it feels like double
jeopardy to get kicked out of a game and to
get suspended for the next game for the same thing.
Speaker 7 (17:33):
Not with his history, not with his lack of accountability
and contrition, and then the teams and basically in lockstep
with him. Now, I think we're on the opposite of
that one.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
We are. We are what else you got?
Speaker 7 (17:46):
Golden State? Golden States plays tonight again, game three. I
have a problem with Golden State, and I have a
problem with New England. This is a larger conversation, but
what annoys me is that Golden State is allowed to
stay as the way the Warriors identify themselves. It's not
even California, it's Golden State, Like, why do we put
(18:07):
up with that? I think my rule in sports, is
that you need to be identified by the city that
you play in. Period. There's no Colorado, there's no Texas.
You're in those cities. It's not the Colorado Broncos, it's
the Denver Broncos. It shouldn't be the New England Patriots,
it should be the Boston Patriots. Very annoyed by this.
(18:29):
I could spend an entire two hour podcast on this,
but that annoys me. And while we're on the subject
of Golden State.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
I had no idea that that was an annoyance to you.
I really did not, really really did not.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
You're not annoyed by that, No, I think it's different
and kind of clever.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
I mean, like, look, are we what about the New
York Giants and New York Jets. They don't actually even
play in New York.
Speaker 7 (18:53):
I don't know New York metropolis area. Yeah, Tri State'll
give them a pass.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
They're in a difference. Why do you give them a pass?
You don't give the Warriors a.
Speaker 7 (19:02):
Pout because we all know the Meadowlands is across the
river from the largest, you know, media market in the world.
So I think I'm I'm going to give that that
one a pass.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Okay, you do you boo? Is that it?
Speaker 1 (19:16):
That's it?
Speaker 2 (19:20):
H All those are are slightly annoying. I think the
Angels not being able to ever have a playoff team
with the two best players in baseball is probably the
most It's I don't know if it's annoying, but it's
frustrating and it's gonna go down. As I mean, at
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least the Thunder once upon a time went to the
NBA Finals when they had a hardened Durant and Russell Westbrook.
You can't get to the frickin' playoffs. Yeah, that's that's
annoying as shit. So California, Los Angeles, Orange County, Anaheim Angels?
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Do we have it because we can?
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Why are we doing this? Why do I because we can?
Speaker 7 (20:12):
Ryan Leaf on Twitter is Today's because we can?
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Quick backstory, just quick.
Speaker 7 (20:19):
Bill Pollian went on his thirty thirteen column and told
the story about how Ryan Leaf ghosted them at their
meeting in nineteen ninety eight when the Colts had the
first overall pick. He's like, Ryan Leaf didn't even show up.
Then Peyton Manning shows up and he's interviewing us. I mean, well,
we walked out of that meeting. Was that an interview
for us or was he interviewing us? And that's what
(20:40):
made their decision. So Ryan Leaf read that and he
had an amazing comeback on Twitter. He says, quote unquote
on Twitter, as I'm pulling this up, where is it? Well,
this is just a huge fucking Why why Bill Pollyan
(21:01):
continues to spew this bullshit narrative is beyond me? Maybe
he thinks it makes the story more compelling. Seems pretty compelling. Already,
greatest quarterback ever, biggest bust ever, doesn't need your shit
edit editorializing Bill Pollian Boom.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
It definitely is. It definitely is talking shit.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
But I would say that that Bill Pollion's story seemed
rather believable, and it wasn't told in a way with
the with a mean bone in his body. But yeah,
he definitely took this one. Ryan Leef took this one
to eleven. Why do we play that for you? Because
we can't. All Right, that's it for the ind the
Bonus Podcast. I'm Doug Gottlieb. We'll check you tomorrow. This
(21:45):
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