September 5, 2023 • 28 mins
Doug dishes on the Spectrum/ESPN situation as millions of people were unable to watch college football on ESPN this weekend. Doug reacts to Dan Patrick's take on Deion Sanders. Doug chooses among deserving candidates for who is most annoying. Plus, Doug gives you his Pick Of The Day.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Here in
the bonus with Doug Gottlieb.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
What is Fox Sports Radioheart Radio app? Hope You're great,
Hope You're awesome. Do Do Do Do Do Do Do
Do Do Do Do do do do So we are
(00:34):
t minus uh six days away from Monday Night Football
on September eleventh, by the way, in New City, and
that's gonna be an incredibly emotional night, as it always
is and should be in New York City. But it's
also going to be a weird night in the NFL
where Aaron Rodgers takes the field with the New York
Jets for the first time ever taking on the Buffalo Bills.
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That is nuts to think about. But even crazier is
what are we on day five of the standoff between Charter,
Spectrum and Disney, ESPN, ABC and all their other channels.
So there's a I guess fifteen main people nationwide have
Charter and maybe the number is in percentage wise is
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bigger obviously here in southern California where we broadcast from,
because in order to get the Dodgers and the Lakers,
you got to have Spectrum their home games, especially you
got a spectrum, So I it's just a weird space
to be in, isn't it really weird space to be in?
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And you think of the historic numbers that that game
is very likely to do because you just don't you
have Aaron Rodgers, you have the Jets, and you also
have a Super Bowl potentially I guess two Super Bowl
contenders with the Buffalo Bills and as the first Monday
night football game. But not only can you not see
(02:04):
if the aspect you can you not see the ABC
ESPN broadcast, can't see the Manning cast either. And the
thing about the Manning cast is it doesn't work if
you go to a sports bar, right it is for
home viewing really only. I guess you could put on
your phone and put your air pods in and listen
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to why you watch the game. But that's a weird one.
And there doesn't appear to be like an end in sight,
like it's gotten to like peak nastiness level where Disney
is telling people just move away from the spectrum and
Charter and Charter is telling people, you know, we're not budgeting.
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That's a weird one. Usually it comes down to the
last hour, maybe one day of not being on. But
now we're at almost a week. It's getting nuts. Now,
do you have Spectrum at home? Jase too?
Speaker 3 (02:57):
No, no, no, I actually got in on the YouTube TV.
I cut the cord in twenty nineteen. I'm a very
happy YouTube TV subscriber. So I've been off a cable
for a while.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
What's your YouTube TV bill per month?
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Let's see. I think that they're charging me eighty nine
ninety nine. And that's the like the sports package that
has the NFL what is it called, it's a red zone, right,
the red Zone on Sunday. They're going to charge you
extra for that. I haven't bought, uh, the Sunday ticket.
I'm not a big Sunday ticket guy. I don't need
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to watch every minute of every game or I've accessed
to every game. You know. I could just watch my
local shows and then have the red Zone on constantly.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Uh yeah, that's okay. So yeah, I mean, like the
only reason I had cable was red Zone and the
now this cable, I have Spectrum, and it's because I
want to watch the Dodgers, I want to watch the
I want to watch the Lakers, and then I could
get I could also get acc sec Net all those
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other things, like it was just an access thing. Now
can I get all those on YouTube TV.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
For a price? Again, we're getting to like the alla
KRT stuff. Like what you're describing. You could buy the
Spectrum Lakers package or Spectrum Dodgers package and not have
and just don't do the other things. And this is
all streaming, by the way, But yeah, I don't. I
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don't have Dodgers or Lakers, and somehow my life goes on.
I want to say, like eighty percent of the Laker
games were broadcast nationally last year. It was crazy. And
then Dodgers. I have my own special way to get access.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
What's your special way?
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Well, let's just say that I know important people. So
the MLB at bat app allows you to watch Dodger
games if you have a certain and password.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
You know somebody duke wow.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
So you find creative ways to get things that you're
missing on cable. And I think that's what cable underestimates
is people's resourcefulness. You know. I wonder if they're going
to point back to ESPN Monday Night Football as the
death knell of cable, like that was the straw that
broke the camel's back that you know, made people cut
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the cord for once and for all. What was Monday
Night Football on Monday the eleventh, You.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Think that will make people cut the card. I think
it's so. When I was at ESPN, we would have
once a year, we'd have these gigantic talent meetings, and
they were fascinating. They really talk about the future of everything.
And they used to say, you never say the word
ala carte out loud. Right, that was the end of them.
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But now that we're in the world of ola carte
and it obviously they've they've changed their tune dramatically, and
it wouldn't surprise me if ultimately they pushed all of
their programming to streaming and supposedly combine it with Disney
Plus and with Hulu and it's all part of one
kind of buy. What I find to be fascinating about
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it fascinating is that I find that ESPN's done kind
of this one point eighty right in terms of now
they're pushing you to streaming their thing. And the reason
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so many people decided or there was a big push
to cut the cord was the cost of cable. Like, man,
it's starting to cost me one hundred and fifty bucks
a month, and then you look down, like how much
do you pay for streaming? Now? Like, so how many
services you have? You have YouTube TV, which costs you
how much nine an attack?
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Sure? Maybe?
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah, okay, so one hundred a month?
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Yep?
Speaker 2 (07:05):
What are the streaming services you have?
Speaker 3 (07:07):
I mean, if you add them up, I got Hulu,
I got Paramount, I've got Netflix, Amazon.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
You're paying like three hundred a month?
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Probably, Yeah, I don't. I don't think it's a cost
to measure anymore. I don't think that cable is is
losing out because of the cost. I think they're losing
out because they're not keeping up with the times or
making it easy or accessible to their subscribers.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
I think they make it easy and accessible. I think
it's their inability. They don't have their own unique programming
and everybody else does, and because of it, you have
to be like, look, you want to watch these shows,
you have to have this streaming service, and so you
get that streaming service. Like that's the way in which
it's always been done. It used to be how you
get people to watch cable. Hey, you can't do it
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unless you know it's like, that's what happened with MTV.
You know that was the old I want my MTV is, Oh,
your cable company doesn't carry MTV, Call them, tell them
you don't want cable unless you have MTV. Now it's
become that with the streaming service. But it is amazing
because the the Golden Goose is live programming, and nothing's
more live and real than sports, and so it's become
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irreplaceable for ad agencies and for TV networks. You gotta
have live. And here is Spectrum that doesn't produce, or
Charter that doesn't produce their own content, and they're in
a fight with Disney and Sports and we're getting to
the biggest sports time of the year and because they
can't agree on a price, they're going to lose their
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live programming. And I would think they'll end up losing
more customers because of it, because there's so many other ways
you can get it, and you know, it just it
becomes you know, at some point you go, I'm out,
and that's kind of where I am.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
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Speaker 2 (09:04):
App Let's get to what the Fox sat and.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Now I'd say this.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Is Dan Patrick on Deon Sanders.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Dion has upwards of eighty new players that have come
in and he's a great recruiter. A couple of years ago,
I thought Florida State was making mistake by not bringing
him in as their head coach. Now Florida State looks
like Florida State once again. But Dion makes an impression.
There are certain athletes that when you think about them,
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they're timeless. Alan Iverson is timeless. He represents or represented
a lot of different things to a lot of different people.
Kobe is also up there. Dion was like that, Bo
Jackson is like that. As soon as you say their name,
smile comes over your face. You're like, there was something
great going on there. But their impact on future generations
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cannot be understated. And that's what Dion has done. That's
what Dion did. And Dion is a presence. He's going
to go in there. There's no other recruiter who's better
than Dion Sanders, just not. He walks in, Mom and
Dad knows who he is and what he's going to say.
That's pure Dion nobody else can deliver something like that.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
No, Dion Sanders is that it's a unique personality, and
I do think in the olden days of college football
he would be incredible, incredible. He's still going to be very,
very good, and I think a dynamic recruiting presence, uh
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and maybe better in the portal than he is out
of high school with high school kids, which is fine.
But at the end of the day, why do kids
choose where they choose.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
It?
Speaker 2 (10:55):
It has mostly been about the chance to play in
the NFL, and who better to teach you how to
show you the way of playing the NFL than one
of the all time great players. But also it's how
many pros as your school actually produced, and he doesn't
have that yet in his arsenal. But what's changed now
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is why do kids go where they go? It's really
about one thing. It's about money. I wish I could
tell you that it was about the connections, Like do
they want to play kids from Texas? They want to
play in the state of Texas. Yes, of course, but
you can do that in the SEC right. You'll actually
now be able to do that in the ACC with SMU.
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That's why SMU got in that league. So the idea
of hey, we'll bring you back home. Everybody can bring
you back home. The challenge to Dion, and I think
he knows this is if it's a fair fight and
it's just about personality with the right family, he's going
to win. But it's not a fair fight when they
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just have more money than you, Right, That's really kind
of what it comes down to. So it's going to
be an interesting dynamic as time goes on. Here's Colin
Kwhert talking about quarterback play in college football this past weekend.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
The quality of quarterback play in college that I have
seen in two weekends is unbelievable. The Pack twelve's quarterbacks
just that conference have completed seventy three percent of their
throws for forty three touchdowns and five picks. Bo Nicks
first rounder Caleb Williams number one pick. I had no
idea Dion Sanders, Shaduur Sanders was that good. Michael PENNOCKX
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junior of Washington all four first round picks. That's just
the Pac twelve. I'm not sure if Dion's son will leave.
He may want to stay with Dad and Travis Hunter.
I get that the quality is insane. Caleb Williams we
all know is great. He didn't have the best weekend
in his conference. There are so many I can't name them.
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On Sanderson Shador Sanders, I had seen him on YouTube
at Jackson's State.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
I didn't know how.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Good he was.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
I text two general managers in the NFL during the
game against TCU. I said, I'm absolutely blown away.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Am I nuts?
Speaker 5 (13:13):
They're like, now, he's a first round first round quarterback.
The kid last night for Duke Riley Leonard, that's a
first round quarterback. Six four mobile, three sixty dunks. These
kids are incredible.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Oh, I would hear the the the volume of people,
volume of athletes who are learning and playing, learning and
playing the quarterback position at a younger age and being
trained better. It's off the charts, like football is changing dramatically.
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You go back ten years ago. Last ten years, some
parts of it has become much that the socioeconomics of
it are because of that's concussions, but post career injuries.
There's lots of suburbia which has kept their kids away
from playing tackle football at a young age. But what
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it has done is it's blown up flag football up
until high school and flag football allows you to throw
the football every time, and more quarterback coaches, more training,
and it doesn't really matter where your background. Like baseball
is a sport that's just too expensive, Football can be
expensive but not crazy for flag football and for some
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levels of quarterback training. And I think what we're seeing
is just a huge volume of talented athletes who some
of their parents like, I don't want you playing football, okay,
but I'll play flag football and then I'll play quarterback
and I won't get my bell rung as much. And
I think that's attractive to people. Here's Keishawn Johnson talking
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about rich Paul's assertion that Lebron James has faced more
scrutiny than Michael Jordan did.
Speaker 6 (14:58):
He really doesn't thank you rich to death, Richard. Richard's cool.
I love what the brother has been able to do
with his career, and everybody's around unbel unbelievable. Is completely
wrong when you start talking about the scrutiny of twenty
four to seven guys like Michael Jordan, if you remember
from gambling allegations linked to his father's death.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
To going from New York City to.
Speaker 6 (15:24):
New Jersey to gamble and coming back and dropping buckets
on the Knick's head. All that is scrutinized. I mean,
he is heavily scrutinized. And I understand, Look, you're supposed
to take him for your guy about it, but I
would say that you talk about you're talking about Michael Jordan,
but you also he also mentioned Kobe Bryan as well,
and that the only thing he's gonna do is rill
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up to Kobe Bryant fan base to dislike Lebron James,
which it shouldn't happen. It shouldn't be that way because
Lebron is not the one who actually said it. Kobe
went through a lot in his own personal life, but
not only would his family, you know, just in general
in some of the things that he did.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
His career scrutinized over and over and.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
Over three hundred and sixty five days around the clock
his entire career.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Social media wasn't as heavy in.
Speaker 6 (16:09):
Their careers as it is today, so there's a little
bit different. But still, whether it was NBC, whether it
was ESPN, Fox columnists, whatever the case is, they were
scrutinized just to a degree, it really was. So I
don't really know what Rich is doing other than protecting
his guy as we get ready to embark up on
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basketball season in October.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Okay, it was weird they had skips Mike open the
whole time. That was so odd. But I thought Keishaan
painted the perfect picture. And this is the issue with
anyone who's younger commenting on Yesterdyear, and you're doing so
from a perspective of today. Is Lebron James more scrutinized
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in some ways? You know, it's not just that the
it's not just social media. It's a twenty four to
seven news cycle. It's the shows like Undisputed, It shows
like First Take Right that's reasonable. It's even sports radio
obviously didn't kick in gear really until you know, the
mid nineties, and you didn't have national sports radio until
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the late nineties till the end, whereas in the tough
years did not. On the other hand, like Michael Jordan
at that time, he was the entire league, and many
of the things that he did were in fact scrutinized,
and his inability to win early on or beat the
Pistons was scrutinized. So I don't know, I just this
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is this is a really weak argument that I hate
when it's made. It's the kind of martyr argument, right, Oh,
poor Lebron James, he's been scrutinized more than everybody else.
That doesn't hold water to anybody, because yes, you could
point out these scrutinized, but yes, his exploits have been
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celebrated more than anybody else. There's very variations of both.
And if he didn't want the attention, why hold the
press conference? Announcer leaving Cleveland. So yeah, I don't know.
I think there's a there's an element to it where
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we're you know, we're doing a bit of the bait
and switch and making the argument about something the arguments
not about. I don't care who's more scrutinized. I don't
care whose upbringing was tougher. I don't if this is
the And even if you said Lebron Jordan was more scrutinized, right,
that would feel like the old man going. When I
was a kid, I used to have to walk uphill
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to school. Both ways. Things are different to evolve and
over change. So all you can do is judge somebody
based upon the era in which they played and compare
that to a previous era. Which somebody else played. Do
the best you can to make parallel arguments. That's what
the Fox said.
Speaker 6 (19:06):
Fuck say.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
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Speaker 2 (19:21):
Let's find out who are what is annoying?
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Jason Stewart, Now it's your annoying?
Speaker 3 (19:31):
What do you got, j Hey, Doug, Mike Silver is annoying.
Mike Silver's annoying for a lot of reasons. Yes, he's
kind of the woke writer who's taken on a different
attitude since twenty twenty, and kind of like he thrives
in that, Like he he likes to retweet ignorant people
and be all pompous about shit. And then today he
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did an entire article saying to the Niners to a
Nick Bosa, just a total shill job for the agent,
Mike Silver doing an entire article on why the forty
nine ers need the cave to Nick Bosa, You're annoyed.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Mike Silver is such like he's such a fucking player,
suck up. And he's not the only one like Levittard's
that guy too, right, it's a I think the worst
going right now, honestly is Jordan Schultz. Like Jordan Schultz.
It's it's bad, but yeah, I mean they just show
for players because that's the only way they can They
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feel like they can get and and you know, I
feel like it's an insecurity, and I think it's a
reasonable insecurity to have. But the more you kind of live,
the more you realize that. Here's what I would do
is if I was the Mike Silvers, if I was
a writer, if I was you know, and I frankly
do now, which is, hey, as long as you show up,
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you know, as long as you're not afraid to be
sometimes in uncomfortable situations, those guys respect you. But they
don't respect is people that just suck up to you.
They just sick of fans. They don't they don't respect you.
They also don't respect guys that are super negative and
(21:26):
totally and there's not I don't know if there is
anybody who's anti player, but then they don't show up, right.
But Mike Silver just wants to be in the locker
room be liked. I mean, look, here's we've talked about
this before. But if you remember back here's where I
didn't love. I can't say that wherever boys, but I
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never love the the Mike Silver act beforehand. But do
people know that he took a job working for Dan Gilbert.
Not Dan Gilbert, Thank Gilbert, who's the owner of the
former owner of Dan Snyder. He took a job working
for Dan Snyder for several years to write for their
website because it was all part of the trying to
(22:11):
remake their public image, right, because Dan Snyder has terrible
public image. So they hire they found the most woke
NFL writer, most pro player, woke NFL writer they could
and after changing their name to the football team, they
hired Mike Silver and he worked for them. So, yeah,
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he's annoying.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
Let's see Jets rookie, what's this? What's this kid's name?
DJ Reid has really caused waves today. DJ Reid said
something and I even heard heard do an entire segment
on it. But I have a different angle on this.
This is the cornerback of the Jets.
Speaker 7 (22:54):
I think we're could be historical, not just the best
defense in the league, but I think we can have
an historical defense like the eighty five eighty six Bears,
like the lob in twenty thirteen. I think we could
be that dominant if we put all the things together
and we just focus on the now, and we're deliberate,
and everyone plays up to their potential. I think the
sky's the limit for us.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
So, you know, talk show hosts and blogs took this
and ran like, oh wow, he thinks they're going to
be the Chicago Bears, and they do arguments against that.
I'm gonna have I have an argument with this syntax.
What I find annoying is him using the word historical
when he should have used the word historic. Now there's
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a differentiation. Historic describes something momentous or important in history.
Historical simply describes something that belongs to an earlier period
of time. So if he was truly going to do
something historical, he would do what those those doric nerds
do and reenact Civil War battles. He would he would
go back and reenact the Bears defense. He would put
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the Bears defense on. He would be Gary Fencik or
one of these one of these Bears defenders, and he
would do something historical.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
It was that forty six defense, right, that's what yeah,
four sex.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
He would he would re enact it. So the annoying
part of this, this entire comment is that he used
the wrong word.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Uh, I hate I hate that when when guys, when
guys used that. But I would I'll give him a
pass because I actually, like, I actually like everything about
what he said, right, Like I got the gist of it, like, yeah,
you're sent texas wrong and it's annoying, but it's not terrible.
I've heard a lot worse. And I would also point
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out that I kind of like the message there, which
is lost with so many people running with it, right,
and the message is we can be as good as
we want to be, and that's our goals to be
that good. We're just you know, like we'll just have
to see I Okay, who else annoyed you?
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Shohatani's agent has broken a silence about his client. He's
as Shoho Tawny moving forward after this season, is going
to be a two way player. Obviously a conflict of
interest here. It's almost like when Manny Machado's agent had said,
after when he became a f agent, he's going to
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be a shortstop. He's going to be a shortstop. You
better sign him as a shortstop and then he never
played shortstop for the podres annoying agent making that that
that proclamation that was pretty empty.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Yeah, I mean it's I mean, like because the agent's
sitting there going like, wait, I thought I was going
to be able to retire on this dude, And I
still may be able to retire in this dude, but
it's gonna be a lot harder to retire on this dude, right,
I mean that's really that's kind of the reality to it.
So uh, I mean, it's it's kind of comical that, oh,
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he's gonna pitch again, dude, he just tours UCL for
the second time. We have no no one has any
idea what his arm looks like. They don't know what
precedes you who have done because there's a new procedure
that people are pushing. There's lots of stuff, and yet
he's he clearly what because if he's a top line
pitcher and he's one of the best hitters in the game.
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Now we're in the five hundred and six hundred million
dollars category, could not be more transparent and could not
be bornnoying. I'm gonna pick shoe Hey Otani's agent as
super Let's get to the pick of the day. Okay, sir,
the bet is to you.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
It's time for the pick of the day.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
All right. I think the Lions are gonna move as
we get closer and closer to game time. But we
still don't know about Chris Jones and Travis Kelcey as
a hyper extended knee. As of now, Chancy Chiefs are
is six point favorite at home against the Detroit Lions.
I mean, you have to take Detroit in this one.
You just do. Lion's only finished wrong. They'll bite your kneecaps, right.
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So I like the Lions, and I like the under
fifty three and a half again, like, what is that?
What is fifty three and a half? The way I
look at it is, you know, are we really looking
at a thirty to twenty seven game. That's a lot
of points to be scored, right, that would put you
at fifty seven points. Even if the Chiefs win thirty
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to twenty seven. That feels like a lot. I think
this is much lower scoring game. Again on a Tuesday,
lock in early Lions and the under Lions and the
under that let's give you a little because we can.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Why are we doing this?
Speaker 5 (27:45):
I do.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Because we can.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
There's I couldn't find sound of this, but it was
in the ESPN report about Sean Payton out right now.
He told Russell Wilson. To Salvage's career, he needed to
focus Wess on Russell inc. And his exact quote to
the reporter was, will you fucking stop kissing all the babies?
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You're not running for public office? I love that shit.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
That is amazing. That is absolutely amazing. Do we don't
have a sound.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Though, No, that was just in a report print only.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Yeah, that's pretty good. We just stopped kissing all the babies.
You're not running for public office. Couldn't love it any
possible war? Why can we tell you that? Because we can't.
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Hope You're awesome. Do Do Do Do Do Do Do
Do Do Do Do do do do So we are
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t minus uh six days away from Monday Night Football
on September eleventh, by the way, in New City, and
that's gonna be an incredibly emotional night, as it always
is and should be in New York City. But it's
also going to be a weird night in the NFL
where Aaron Rodgers takes the field with the New York
Jets for the first time ever taking on the Buffalo Bills.
(00:58):
That is nuts to think about. But even crazier is
what are we on day five of the standoff between Charter,
Spectrum and Disney, ESPN, ABC and all their other channels.
So there's a I guess fifteen main people nationwide have
Charter and maybe the number is in percentage wise is
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bigger obviously here in southern California where we broadcast from,
because in order to get the Dodgers and the Lakers,
you got to have Spectrum their home games, especially you
got a spectrum, So I it's just a weird space
to be in, isn't it really weird space to be in?
(01:41):
And you think of the historic numbers that that game
is very likely to do because you just don't you
have Aaron Rodgers, you have the Jets, and you also
have a Super Bowl potentially I guess two Super Bowl
contenders with the Buffalo Bills and as the first Monday
night football game. But not only can you not see
(02:04):
if the aspect you can you not see the ABC
ESPN broadcast, can't see the Manning cast either. And the
thing about the Manning cast is it doesn't work if
you go to a sports bar, right it is for
home viewing really only. I guess you could put on
your phone and put your air pods in and listen
(02:25):
to why you watch the game. But that's a weird one.
And there doesn't appear to be like an end in sight,
like it's gotten to like peak nastiness level where Disney
is telling people just move away from the spectrum and
Charter and Charter is telling people, you know, we're not budgeting.
(02:47):
That's a weird one. Usually it comes down to the
last hour, maybe one day of not being on. But
now we're at almost a week. It's getting nuts. Now,
do you have Spectrum at home? Jase too?
Speaker 3 (02:57):
No, no, no, I actually got in on the YouTube TV.
I cut the cord in twenty nineteen. I'm a very
happy YouTube TV subscriber. So I've been off a cable
for a while.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
What's your YouTube TV bill per month?
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Let's see. I think that they're charging me eighty nine
ninety nine. And that's the like the sports package that
has the NFL what is it called, it's a red zone, right,
the red Zone on Sunday. They're going to charge you
extra for that. I haven't bought, uh, the Sunday ticket.
I'm not a big Sunday ticket guy. I don't need
(03:35):
to watch every minute of every game or I've accessed
to every game. You know. I could just watch my
local shows and then have the red Zone on constantly.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Uh yeah, that's okay. So yeah, I mean, like the
only reason I had cable was red Zone and the
now this cable, I have Spectrum, and it's because I
want to watch the Dodgers, I want to watch the
I want to watch the Lakers, and then I could
get I could also get acc sec Net all those
(04:07):
other things, like it was just an access thing. Now
can I get all those on YouTube TV.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
For a price? Again, we're getting to like the alla
KRT stuff. Like what you're describing. You could buy the
Spectrum Lakers package or Spectrum Dodgers package and not have
and just don't do the other things. And this is
all streaming, by the way, But yeah, I don't. I
(04:34):
don't have Dodgers or Lakers, and somehow my life goes on.
I want to say, like eighty percent of the Laker
games were broadcast nationally last year. It was crazy. And
then Dodgers. I have my own special way to get access.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
What's your special way?
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Well, let's just say that I know important people. So
the MLB at bat app allows you to watch Dodger
games if you have a certain and password.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
You know somebody duke wow.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
So you find creative ways to get things that you're
missing on cable. And I think that's what cable underestimates
is people's resourcefulness. You know. I wonder if they're going
to point back to ESPN Monday Night Football as the
death knell of cable, like that was the straw that
broke the camel's back that you know, made people cut
(05:27):
the cord for once and for all. What was Monday
Night Football on Monday the eleventh, You.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Think that will make people cut the card. I think
it's so. When I was at ESPN, we would have
once a year, we'd have these gigantic talent meetings, and
they were fascinating. They really talk about the future of everything.
And they used to say, you never say the word
ala carte out loud. Right, that was the end of them.
(05:57):
But now that we're in the world of ola carte
and it obviously they've they've changed their tune dramatically, and
it wouldn't surprise me if ultimately they pushed all of
their programming to streaming and supposedly combine it with Disney
Plus and with Hulu and it's all part of one
kind of buy. What I find to be fascinating about
(06:19):
it fascinating is that I find that ESPN's done kind
of this one point eighty right in terms of now
they're pushing you to streaming their thing. And the reason
(06:40):
so many people decided or there was a big push
to cut the cord was the cost of cable. Like, man,
it's starting to cost me one hundred and fifty bucks
a month, and then you look down, like how much
do you pay for streaming? Now? Like, so how many
services you have? You have YouTube TV, which costs you
how much nine an attack?
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Sure? Maybe?
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah, okay, so one hundred a month?
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Yep?
Speaker 2 (07:05):
What are the streaming services you have?
Speaker 3 (07:07):
I mean, if you add them up, I got Hulu,
I got Paramount, I've got Netflix, Amazon.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
You're paying like three hundred a month?
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Probably, Yeah, I don't. I don't think it's a cost
to measure anymore. I don't think that cable is is
losing out because of the cost. I think they're losing
out because they're not keeping up with the times or
making it easy or accessible to their subscribers.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
I think they make it easy and accessible. I think
it's their inability. They don't have their own unique programming
and everybody else does, and because of it, you have
to be like, look, you want to watch these shows,
you have to have this streaming service, and so you
get that streaming service. Like that's the way in which
it's always been done. It used to be how you
get people to watch cable. Hey, you can't do it
(07:55):
unless you know it's like, that's what happened with MTV.
You know that was the old I want my MTV is, Oh,
your cable company doesn't carry MTV, Call them, tell them
you don't want cable unless you have MTV. Now it's
become that with the streaming service. But it is amazing
because the the Golden Goose is live programming, and nothing's
more live and real than sports, and so it's become
(08:18):
irreplaceable for ad agencies and for TV networks. You gotta
have live. And here is Spectrum that doesn't produce, or
Charter that doesn't produce their own content, and they're in
a fight with Disney and Sports and we're getting to
the biggest sports time of the year and because they
can't agree on a price, they're going to lose their
(08:40):
live programming. And I would think they'll end up losing
more customers because of it, because there's so many other ways
you can get it, and you know, it just it
becomes you know, at some point you go, I'm out,
and that's kind of where I am.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
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Show weekdays at three pm Tell Me Eastern noon Pacific
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Speaker 2 (09:04):
App Let's get to what the Fox sat and.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Now I'd say this.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Is Dan Patrick on Deon Sanders.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Dion has upwards of eighty new players that have come
in and he's a great recruiter. A couple of years ago,
I thought Florida State was making mistake by not bringing
him in as their head coach. Now Florida State looks
like Florida State once again. But Dion makes an impression.
There are certain athletes that when you think about them,
(09:35):
they're timeless. Alan Iverson is timeless. He represents or represented
a lot of different things to a lot of different people.
Kobe is also up there. Dion was like that, Bo
Jackson is like that. As soon as you say their name,
smile comes over your face. You're like, there was something
great going on there. But their impact on future generations
(09:57):
cannot be understated. And that's what Dion has done. That's
what Dion did. And Dion is a presence. He's going
to go in there. There's no other recruiter who's better
than Dion Sanders, just not. He walks in, Mom and
Dad knows who he is and what he's going to say.
That's pure Dion nobody else can deliver something like that.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
No, Dion Sanders is that it's a unique personality, and
I do think in the olden days of college football
he would be incredible, incredible. He's still going to be very,
very good, and I think a dynamic recruiting presence, uh
(10:43):
and maybe better in the portal than he is out
of high school with high school kids, which is fine.
But at the end of the day, why do kids
choose where they choose.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
It?
Speaker 2 (10:55):
It has mostly been about the chance to play in
the NFL, and who better to teach you how to
show you the way of playing the NFL than one
of the all time great players. But also it's how
many pros as your school actually produced, and he doesn't
have that yet in his arsenal. But what's changed now
(11:16):
is why do kids go where they go? It's really
about one thing. It's about money. I wish I could
tell you that it was about the connections, Like do
they want to play kids from Texas? They want to
play in the state of Texas. Yes, of course, but
you can do that in the SEC right. You'll actually
now be able to do that in the ACC with SMU.
(11:37):
That's why SMU got in that league. So the idea
of hey, we'll bring you back home. Everybody can bring
you back home. The challenge to Dion, and I think
he knows this is if it's a fair fight and
it's just about personality with the right family, he's going
to win. But it's not a fair fight when they
(11:59):
just have more money than you, Right, That's really kind
of what it comes down to. So it's going to
be an interesting dynamic as time goes on. Here's Colin
Kwhert talking about quarterback play in college football this past weekend.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
The quality of quarterback play in college that I have
seen in two weekends is unbelievable. The Pack twelve's quarterbacks
just that conference have completed seventy three percent of their
throws for forty three touchdowns and five picks. Bo Nicks
first rounder Caleb Williams number one pick. I had no
idea Dion Sanders, Shaduur Sanders was that good. Michael PENNOCKX
(12:38):
junior of Washington all four first round picks. That's just
the Pac twelve. I'm not sure if Dion's son will leave.
He may want to stay with Dad and Travis Hunter.
I get that the quality is insane. Caleb Williams we
all know is great. He didn't have the best weekend
in his conference. There are so many I can't name them.
(13:00):
On Sanderson Shador Sanders, I had seen him on YouTube
at Jackson's State.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
I didn't know how.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Good he was.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
I text two general managers in the NFL during the
game against TCU. I said, I'm absolutely blown away.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Am I nuts?
Speaker 5 (13:13):
They're like, now, he's a first round first round quarterback.
The kid last night for Duke Riley Leonard, that's a
first round quarterback. Six four mobile, three sixty dunks. These
kids are incredible.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Oh, I would hear the the the volume of people,
volume of athletes who are learning and playing, learning and
playing the quarterback position at a younger age and being
trained better. It's off the charts, like football is changing dramatically.
(13:49):
You go back ten years ago. Last ten years, some
parts of it has become much that the socioeconomics of
it are because of that's concussions, but post career injuries.
There's lots of suburbia which has kept their kids away
from playing tackle football at a young age. But what
(14:09):
it has done is it's blown up flag football up
until high school and flag football allows you to throw
the football every time, and more quarterback coaches, more training,
and it doesn't really matter where your background. Like baseball
is a sport that's just too expensive, Football can be
expensive but not crazy for flag football and for some
(14:33):
levels of quarterback training. And I think what we're seeing
is just a huge volume of talented athletes who some
of their parents like, I don't want you playing football, okay,
but I'll play flag football and then I'll play quarterback
and I won't get my bell rung as much. And
I think that's attractive to people. Here's Keishawn Johnson talking
(14:54):
about rich Paul's assertion that Lebron James has faced more
scrutiny than Michael Jordan did.
Speaker 6 (14:58):
He really doesn't thank you rich to death, Richard. Richard's cool.
I love what the brother has been able to do
with his career, and everybody's around unbel unbelievable. Is completely
wrong when you start talking about the scrutiny of twenty
four to seven guys like Michael Jordan, if you remember
from gambling allegations linked to his father's death.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
To going from New York City to.
Speaker 6 (15:24):
New Jersey to gamble and coming back and dropping buckets
on the Knick's head. All that is scrutinized. I mean,
he is heavily scrutinized. And I understand, Look, you're supposed
to take him for your guy about it, but I
would say that you talk about you're talking about Michael Jordan,
but you also he also mentioned Kobe Bryan as well,
and that the only thing he's gonna do is rill
(15:44):
up to Kobe Bryant fan base to dislike Lebron James,
which it shouldn't happen. It shouldn't be that way because
Lebron is not the one who actually said it. Kobe
went through a lot in his own personal life, but
not only would his family, you know, just in general
in some of the things that he did.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
His career scrutinized over and over and.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
Over three hundred and sixty five days around the clock
his entire career.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Social media wasn't as heavy in.
Speaker 6 (16:09):
Their careers as it is today, so there's a little
bit different. But still, whether it was NBC, whether it
was ESPN, Fox columnists, whatever the case is, they were
scrutinized just to a degree, it really was. So I
don't really know what Rich is doing other than protecting
his guy as we get ready to embark up on
(16:31):
basketball season in October.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Okay, it was weird they had skips Mike open the
whole time. That was so odd. But I thought Keishaan
painted the perfect picture. And this is the issue with
anyone who's younger commenting on Yesterdyear, and you're doing so
from a perspective of today. Is Lebron James more scrutinized
(16:54):
in some ways? You know, it's not just that the
it's not just social media. It's a twenty four to
seven news cycle. It's the shows like Undisputed, It shows
like First Take Right that's reasonable. It's even sports radio
obviously didn't kick in gear really until you know, the
mid nineties, and you didn't have national sports radio until
(17:15):
the late nineties till the end, whereas in the tough
years did not. On the other hand, like Michael Jordan
at that time, he was the entire league, and many
of the things that he did were in fact scrutinized,
and his inability to win early on or beat the
Pistons was scrutinized. So I don't know, I just this
(17:40):
is this is a really weak argument that I hate
when it's made. It's the kind of martyr argument, right, Oh,
poor Lebron James, he's been scrutinized more than everybody else.
That doesn't hold water to anybody, because yes, you could
point out these scrutinized, but yes, his exploits have been
(18:02):
celebrated more than anybody else. There's very variations of both.
And if he didn't want the attention, why hold the
press conference? Announcer leaving Cleveland. So yeah, I don't know.
I think there's a there's an element to it where
(18:25):
we're you know, we're doing a bit of the bait
and switch and making the argument about something the arguments
not about. I don't care who's more scrutinized. I don't
care whose upbringing was tougher. I don't if this is
the And even if you said Lebron Jordan was more scrutinized, right,
that would feel like the old man going. When I
was a kid, I used to have to walk uphill
(18:46):
to school. Both ways. Things are different to evolve and
over change. So all you can do is judge somebody
based upon the era in which they played and compare
that to a previous era. Which somebody else played. Do
the best you can to make parallel arguments. That's what
the Fox said.
Speaker 6 (19:06):
Fuck say.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Let's find out who are what is annoying?
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Jason Stewart, Now it's your annoying?
Speaker 3 (19:31):
What do you got, j Hey, Doug, Mike Silver is annoying.
Mike Silver's annoying for a lot of reasons. Yes, he's
kind of the woke writer who's taken on a different
attitude since twenty twenty, and kind of like he thrives
in that, Like he he likes to retweet ignorant people
and be all pompous about shit. And then today he
(19:55):
did an entire article saying to the Niners to a
Nick Bosa, just a total shill job for the agent,
Mike Silver doing an entire article on why the forty
nine ers need the cave to Nick Bosa, You're annoyed.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Mike Silver is such like he's such a fucking player,
suck up. And he's not the only one like Levittard's
that guy too, right, it's a I think the worst
going right now, honestly is Jordan Schultz. Like Jordan Schultz.
It's it's bad, but yeah, I mean they just show
for players because that's the only way they can They
(20:40):
feel like they can get and and you know, I
feel like it's an insecurity, and I think it's a
reasonable insecurity to have. But the more you kind of live,
the more you realize that. Here's what I would do
is if I was the Mike Silvers, if I was
a writer, if I was you know, and I frankly
do now, which is, hey, as long as you show up,
(21:05):
you know, as long as you're not afraid to be
sometimes in uncomfortable situations, those guys respect you. But they
don't respect is people that just suck up to you.
They just sick of fans. They don't they don't respect you.
They also don't respect guys that are super negative and
(21:26):
totally and there's not I don't know if there is
anybody who's anti player, but then they don't show up, right.
But Mike Silver just wants to be in the locker
room be liked. I mean, look, here's we've talked about
this before. But if you remember back here's where I
didn't love. I can't say that wherever boys, but I
(21:48):
never love the the Mike Silver act beforehand. But do
people know that he took a job working for Dan Gilbert.
Not Dan Gilbert, Thank Gilbert, who's the owner of the
former owner of Dan Snyder. He took a job working
for Dan Snyder for several years to write for their
website because it was all part of the trying to
(22:11):
remake their public image, right, because Dan Snyder has terrible
public image. So they hire they found the most woke
NFL writer, most pro player, woke NFL writer they could
and after changing their name to the football team, they
hired Mike Silver and he worked for them. So, yeah,
(22:31):
he's annoying.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
Let's see Jets rookie, what's this? What's this kid's name?
DJ Reid has really caused waves today. DJ Reid said
something and I even heard heard do an entire segment
on it. But I have a different angle on this.
This is the cornerback of the Jets.
Speaker 7 (22:54):
I think we're could be historical, not just the best
defense in the league, but I think we can have
an historical defense like the eighty five eighty six Bears,
like the lob in twenty thirteen. I think we could
be that dominant if we put all the things together
and we just focus on the now, and we're deliberate,
and everyone plays up to their potential. I think the
sky's the limit for us.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
So, you know, talk show hosts and blogs took this
and ran like, oh wow, he thinks they're going to
be the Chicago Bears, and they do arguments against that.
I'm gonna have I have an argument with this syntax.
What I find annoying is him using the word historical
when he should have used the word historic. Now there's
(23:35):
a differentiation. Historic describes something momentous or important in history.
Historical simply describes something that belongs to an earlier period
of time. So if he was truly going to do
something historical, he would do what those those doric nerds
do and reenact Civil War battles. He would he would
go back and reenact the Bears defense. He would put
(23:57):
the Bears defense on. He would be Gary Fencik or
one of these one of these Bears defenders, and he
would do something historical.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
It was that forty six defense, right, that's what yeah,
four sex.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
He would he would re enact it. So the annoying
part of this, this entire comment is that he used
the wrong word.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Uh, I hate I hate that when when guys, when
guys used that. But I would I'll give him a
pass because I actually, like, I actually like everything about
what he said, right, Like I got the gist of it, like, yeah,
you're sent texas wrong and it's annoying, but it's not terrible.
I've heard a lot worse. And I would also point
(24:38):
out that I kind of like the message there, which
is lost with so many people running with it, right,
and the message is we can be as good as
we want to be, and that's our goals to be
that good. We're just you know, like we'll just have
to see I Okay, who else annoyed you?
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Shohatani's agent has broken a silence about his client. He's
as Shoho Tawny moving forward after this season, is going
to be a two way player. Obviously a conflict of
interest here. It's almost like when Manny Machado's agent had said,
after when he became a f agent, he's going to
(25:14):
be a shortstop. He's going to be a shortstop. You
better sign him as a shortstop and then he never
played shortstop for the podres annoying agent making that that
that proclamation that was pretty empty.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Yeah, I mean it's I mean, like because the agent's
sitting there going like, wait, I thought I was going
to be able to retire on this dude, And I
still may be able to retire in this dude, but
it's gonna be a lot harder to retire on this dude, right,
I mean that's really that's kind of the reality to it.
So uh, I mean, it's it's kind of comical that, oh,
(25:55):
he's gonna pitch again, dude, he just tours UCL for
the second time. We have no no one has any
idea what his arm looks like. They don't know what
precedes you who have done because there's a new procedure
that people are pushing. There's lots of stuff, and yet
he's he clearly what because if he's a top line
pitcher and he's one of the best hitters in the game.
(26:16):
Now we're in the five hundred and six hundred million
dollars category, could not be more transparent and could not
be bornnoying. I'm gonna pick shoe Hey Otani's agent as
super Let's get to the pick of the day. Okay, sir,
the bet is to you.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
It's time for the pick of the day.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
All right. I think the Lions are gonna move as
we get closer and closer to game time. But we
still don't know about Chris Jones and Travis Kelcey as
a hyper extended knee. As of now, Chancy Chiefs are
is six point favorite at home against the Detroit Lions.
I mean, you have to take Detroit in this one.
You just do. Lion's only finished wrong. They'll bite your kneecaps, right.
(27:03):
So I like the Lions, and I like the under
fifty three and a half again, like, what is that?
What is fifty three and a half? The way I
look at it is, you know, are we really looking
at a thirty to twenty seven game. That's a lot
of points to be scored, right, that would put you
at fifty seven points. Even if the Chiefs win thirty
(27:25):
to twenty seven. That feels like a lot. I think
this is much lower scoring game. Again on a Tuesday,
lock in early Lions and the under Lions and the
under that let's give you a little because we can.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Why are we doing this?
Speaker 5 (27:45):
I do.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Because we can.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
There's I couldn't find sound of this, but it was
in the ESPN report about Sean Payton out right now.
He told Russell Wilson. To Salvage's career, he needed to
focus Wess on Russell inc. And his exact quote to
the reporter was, will you fucking stop kissing all the babies?
(28:11):
You're not running for public office? I love that shit.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
That is amazing. That is absolutely amazing. Do we don't
have a sound.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Though, No, that was just in a report print only.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Yeah, that's pretty good. We just stopped kissing all the babies.
You're not running for public office. Couldn't love it any
possible war? Why can we tell you that? Because we can't.
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