April 24, 2024 • 35 mins
Doug riffs on the NBA action from Tuesday night. Doug welcomes top 15 draft prospect Joe Alt onto the podcast to talk about his days at Notre Dame, NIL and what he is doing with the brand Tide for the draft. Doug chooses among deserving candidates Jason Stewart deems as most annoying today. Plus, Doug gives out his Pick Of The Day.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Heres in
the bonus with Doug Gottlieb.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Gotta let me out about it right right now.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Welcome in, Welcome in. So last night we got a
little bit of what we thought we would get. You know,
clearly I thought that the that the one team you
could count on to bounce back in game two was
the one thing that team that didn't bounce back in
game two. And I think there's an excellent discussion around it.
(00:36):
It's the what's the best way to build a team?
Now Minnesota, we can say, hey, they built the team
really well, but they were shitty for twenty five years.
That's a great way to build a roster, be shitty
for twenty five years. But people have pointed out, and
rightfully so, like they took a risk and added Rudy
Gobert and by most people's estimation, overpaid him. But you know,
(00:58):
Karl Anthony Towns hasn't been healthy and isn't nearly the
guy that I think some people thought he would be.
Anthony Edwards is maybe better, but so far, so good
with the Rudy Gobert experiment in the playoffs this year,
with with the Wolves. But the interesting part of the discussion.
An interesting part of the discussion is do you cheat steps,
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do you go after a big two or a big three,
or do you build organically and you know, draft well
and re sign your players. That's, by the way, what
Oklahoma City's trying to do.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Right.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
You have Shay, you want to build on him, and
I guess chet would be the other guy who could
be their star. But I like tonight, I think is
a huge challenge for Oklahoma City tonight. It's going to
be an interesting challenge for Boston, although I just don't
think that Miami has the weaponry to take them down.
No matter how well they shoot the basketball. This team
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doesn't shoot as well as other other heat teams had
even without Jimmy, and without Jimmy Butler, there's not the
need to help anybody. But you go back to last night,
and I can pick apart the fact that they have
him been a whole all season, or the fact they
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don't have a point guard, they don't really have a
center or a starting center at this level, or Kevin
Durant being older and tired. Jade McDaniel's being a great
match for him. But you have to be really disappointed
if you're the Suns to come out two and not
really be in the game late last night. As for
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the Mavericks, do what more can you say? I just
I chuckle at people who question Luca. Yeah, he takes
a lot of shots, but the guy is unbelievable, unbelievable
and finds a way to basically do it all. Whereas
the Clippers, who many people have thought, myself included times
best team in the league, can't make a shot last night.
(02:58):
Eight of thirty from three is going to get you
beat just about every night in this lake.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
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Speaker 3 (03:13):
Let's welcome in a guy who is very likely to
be the first of many talented offensive lineman taken in
tomorrow night's first round of the NFL Draft. He's Joe
Allt No Tree Dame, and he joins us here on
The Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Joe, how
are you, good man? What's this like for you?
Speaker 5 (03:31):
You know, it's obviously a very exciting time. I'm really
excited tomorrow to find out you know, where my where
my future is at, where I'm headed. But also I
you know, I always want to touch on it's extremely
grateful to be in this position. I'm grateful to have,
you know, the people around me who have supported me
thus far and taught me to be a man and
how to play football on and off the field. So
it's a really exciting time. But I also always want
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to show my gratitude to those who have helped me
thus far.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
I went to Notre Dame for a year, played basketball
there for a year, and Pat Garrity was amical engineering major.
You were a mechanical engineering major, yep, I told Pat.
And he's only because he's a psycho would he go
after such a challenging degree at a challenging school. So
let me ask you, why are you such a psycho
and go after a mechanical engineering degree?
Speaker 6 (04:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (04:15):
I actually took an engineering class in high school. It
was like one semester a year freshman the senior year,
and I kind of fell in love with what I
was doing. I'd always been like pretty good at math
and science, and I was like, you know what, let's
see what we got. What we can do and I
kind of fell into the trap. Freshman year was like, oh,
you know, here's all your easy general courses and they're
not too bad. And I kind of even did it
and I was like, all right, this isn't too bad. Then,
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like I got the sophomore year, I'm like, I might
have picked the wrong thing, but we got it done.
We got it, you know, spent a lot of time
doing it. Still enjoy it. Just got a lot harder,
but it's been good so far.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Would you bench at the at the combine I.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
Did twenty seven?
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Is that a pr for you?
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (04:53):
That was a pr at that at that point I
was hoping for you know, twenty eight. I hit the
hit the the clips on the racks, so I would
have loved them more. But that's right, all right, So.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
You're you're under there, like what is your process of
like that? That's a lot of reps of two twenty five?
Speaker 5 (05:07):
Yeah. For me, the way I did it was always
with breaths. I would always take, you know, how many
can I do on one breath versus how many can
I do on my second breath? So it was all
like restulated. So I was like, all right, I can
do fifty on the first breath, and I know I
can do six in a second, and then I was
gonna go for three, and then it was like, all right,
that's when I knew how I was feeling at twenty four.
I knew I could get twenty four. Now is it
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gonna go? You know two one one one, one one
on one from there. So that's kind of how I
did it in my mind.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Were you just wrecked at Like? What's that when you're
done and you have all that adrenaline going through and
you got twenty seven, you thought you got twenty eight.
You hit the clips when you get up and everybody's
high five, and you're like, what what is What does
that feel like?
Speaker 5 (05:43):
Yeah? It's uh. I always go to like it's the
reward of all the hard work I put in. You know,
I trained really hard to you know, improve my bench,
improve that specific drill and being able to go out
there and you know, perform and put a number that
I was happy with and you know, see my my
work kind of payoff was always very exciting and you know,
grateful for those who allowed me to get to that position.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
What's I'm just fascinated by by the stuff that you've
had to put yourself through. You mentioned like all the
hard work. What is that like to you get done
with the season and now you're not necessarily training yourself
for play, You're training yourself for the combine and for
the pro day. So how'd you have to change your training?
Speaker 5 (06:24):
Yeah? I was able to hire a strength and conditioning
coach named Bill Welly for all of the you know,
getting the combine events done, you know, the forty, the
pro agility, the two twenty five. So he was the
guy who I went to who really allowed me to learn,
you know, the form and the proper running technique and
got me faster and stronger and prepared for the combine.
And then I was able to also use Alex Boone
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for all the football stuff, so I really didn't have
to you know, change everything I was doing. I was
able to still you know, focus on the combine by
doing the drills and getting faster than those, but I
also spent you know, an hour to an hour and
a half every single day working on my football technique
and things that I need to improve from last season
going forward. So I was able to kind of do
both since day my routine being able to train a home,
so it went really well for me.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
That's interesting you used used Alex Boon that that actually
that actually kind of helps me because you know, there
are some that believe that the Chargers are going to
pick you in the first round. Of course, Alex Boon
played for Harbaugh at uh UH with the with the
San Francisco forty nine ers. What are your thoughts on
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the possibility of going that high in the draft.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
Obviously a very exciting opportunity, and I'd be extremely grateful
to go there. Having the connection, you know, with the
guy I trained with, Alex Boone, being with Harbaugh would
be really exciting to just kind of, you know, continue
what he had learned and been taught from by coach
Harbaugh and continue on That would be very exciting. Would
just be extremely grateful for that opportunity.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
It does feel like, I don't know, there feels like
a rebirth in the importance of offensive Tackles have always
been important, but with the run game coming so much
back into play, obviously not just the Harbaugh's but also
you look at what the with the Shanahan and all
the different kind of younger coaches emphasizing running the football,
but also the emphasis on you know, being able to
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really move people. Do you feel like there's more of
an emphasis on offensive lineman whereas you know, I mean
back when your dad played, I don't know if there
was nearly the same emphasis on the importance of building
inside out.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
Yeah. I always think offensive line is most important thissition
on the field. That's just because that's why I played.
I think they have a very unique deal where you
know you have content and every single play and your
your success matters directly to the success of the play.
If you get beating a run play, your quarterback might
be getting tackled for a TfL. If you get beating
a pass player, quarterbacks get sacked. So things like that,
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I think, you know, offensive line plays should always be
very important. We hold a special role and have a
special job, but we kind of love doing what we do.
I think a lot of offensive linemen are similarly mentally wired,
and we don't want to goord. We just love doing
what we're doing. So I think I've always thought offensive
line play is really important, and I'm happy that it's
kind of, you know, swinging around a little bit where
you know, some of the guys who are really good
at their craft are able to get some attention. And
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you know, I love watching a lot of the top
guys in the NFL do their thing because it's it's
what I love and that's what I know.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Cherish Joel joining us here on the Doug gott Leep Show.
You're going to hear his name called very very early
in Thursday Night's first round of the NFL Draft. What
are you doing with Tide for the NFL Draft?
Speaker 5 (09:19):
Yeah? I partnered with PNG and Meyer before the draft
just for like some of the essentials obviously moving to
a new city, a new home, a new team, you
had to be essentials, and they're really ready for anything.
And more specifically with Tide, I grew up a Tide kid.
My mom always had on the laundry machine, always washing
our clothes. I was able to, you know, tackle really
any mess that I gave or you know, it could
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be football jerseys, you know, football pants, you know, my
sweaty basketball jerseys. And then also more recently with Meyer
going to Notre Dame, they got a Meyer rid on
the road, right it all my shopping and was able
to grow an issue with them and you know a
little plug from my Notre Dame fans and people live here. Meyer,
there's this guy going on. He spent fifteen dollars or
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more on ping products. You can get the dollars off
going forth to the twenty seven aaity.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Wait, you get fifteen dollars off you spend fifty dollars
or more? Yes, okay, I want to make sure because
it did. It sounded like you get fifty dollars off
you spend fifteen or more, and that would have that
would have been all I know. I know, listen, I
know you're an engineering guy and I'm a business guy,
but that would have been terrible business from an engineering
guy seeing as much math as you guys do.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
Yeah. No, I'm sorry, but I appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Yeah, question for you, I feel like Notre Dame. Like,
obviously there was some nil there going at your quarterback
with his luxurious locks, but it's not. It doesn't strike
me as a school that that is that you guys
are at the top of most most bidding wars. How
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do you think, just again your feelings, you're alive and
a college student in twenty twenty four, I'm not how
do you think nil and guys having money in their
pockets before they get to the NFL. How do you
think that affects guys.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
Yeah, I'm a very old school my approach to it,
and that's why I was raised. So the NIL thing
was a very big surprise to me as well. I
think it's a great addition to college football. I think
it's a little bit out of control and how it's
being handled at the moment, but that's not something that
I'm responsible for. But you know, I think there's definitely
a place for it. It just kind of needs to
(11:22):
get a little bit more more control and more specific
regulations on you know, what players really should be earning
and how it you know, works across team to team
and whatnot.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Yeah, but what I'm saying is like, there's there's a
report that some guys aren't going to the combine because
they're so not going to to the draft because they're
used to being paid for appearances now and there's just
a different level maybe of reverence for making the NFL
when you're already making legit cash in college. And obviously
most people understand there's a massive difference in that second
(11:54):
contract is generational wealth. But I just I just wondered
if you think, if you feel like the guys are,
and maybe you can't because this is your first time round.
But do you think like there's a bit of a
difference during your four years of college in terms of
how guys handle themselves, how guys can how how because look,
I'll just tell you, like college basketball, when I was playing,
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the league is everything, everything, everything, and you go and
every gym and every team you go to, they all
think they're going to league and that's everything, right, It's
how quickly can I go? And it's still everything, but
there's still a hey, man, if I get myself in
the portal, I can get paid. Like if I don't
make the league, I'm still good. It has changed a
little bit. I'm wondering if you've noticed any of that
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change during your time in college.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
No, I definitely have. There's a little bit of a
change between you know why, I think some guys play
the game. I have a unique thing where I love
football and that's why I play football. I love competing.
I love the competition aspect. I think there's some guys
and you know, the college nowadays, maybe don't love football
as much. But there is this, you know, the idea
of money, and that's obviously a great thing and maybe
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they're doing it more for that safe than the football thing.
But you know, I always only they can talk about myself,
and you know that's why I play football, cut up
the game. I love to compete. So I have seen
a little bit of it, but it's not something that
you know, I've seen enough to where I think it
can be a problem going forward.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Cool. Just so people know, ahead of the twenty four
NFL Draft, P and G and Meyer are teaming up
to host players in Detroit for the first P and
G Draft House presented by Meyer, where they'll provide the
essentials from trusted P and G brands like Tide to
help them be ready for anything as they begin their
pro careers. Joe, all the hard work is going to
pay off on Thursday. You've earned it. I can't imagine
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how excited that you and your family are. Congratulations in advance,
and thanks for joining us.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
Thank you very much for having me appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Be short to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Let's let's get to what the Fox says, and now.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
What fo same.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Here's LeVar Arrington with his reaction to David Fleming saying
an NFL exec told him that drafting Caleb Williams is
like drafting prince since.
Speaker 7 (14:12):
Windy being prince. I was just gonna say, LeVar, I mean,
when's that a bad thing? I love prince, I know,
I mean I looked at him. I kind of love
him in that way. No, but seriously, I just how
do you equate? And listen, I had a strong take
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on him crying and his mom. Yeah yeah, and when
doves cry, you know, and I die for you. I
had a strong take on him crying in his mom's arms.
Speaker 6 (14:44):
I did. And and just the idea of thinking that
you should paint a picture as if prince isn't the
baddest Mamma jama that has ever done it, at least
one of them, is really unfair. It's really unfair to
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make that comparison as if it was a derogatory term.
There is only one prince that has ever existed, and
there will only be one prince that ever existed. So
you're basically saying that to compare Caleb Williams two the
brilliance of one prince is to say that you're calling
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Caleb Williams one of one and there will only be
one Caleb Williams.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Yeah, I don't even know what he's.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Like.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
The the the Prince analogy to me just signifies the fact. Yeah.
The only thing I can surmise from the Prince analogy
is he's what's the word that we were discussing earlier,
He's he's eccentric, right, And there's no doubt that's what
Prince was. And how does those how do those eccentricities,
how do they how do they fit in an NFL
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locker room? So I don't think it's as crazy. It
is a weird name to put into a football locker room.
But once he said Prince, you're like, hey, hey, I
got kind of get it. It's eccentric, even though those
guys I think got caught up in the word or
the name Prince more so than what he was. What
he was very likely trying to analogize. Here's Colin Cowher
(16:22):
talking about JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 8 (16:24):
So my quarterback this year. There's a star and I
don't get it is JJ McCarthy in Michigan. I think
he's Mitch Trubisky with a better college coach. He's mobile,
he's a nice kid. But his ball dies. His ball dies.
He misses easy stuff, misses too many laps. And unless
his feet are pointed in the right direction and he
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is set and he's got time and he can look
down his receiver, he's not that accurate consistently. I just
don't see it. And again, what I just described protection,
your feeder set, you've got everything ready to deliver, you've
got space. That's Michigan. That's not the NFL. In Michigan,
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you had perfect protection. The kid got sacked like almost never.
I think he got sacked like in thirteen fourteen games.
He got sacked like seventeen times once a game he
played with the lead. He had a run game. That
is not the NFL. What are you when stuff implodes,
when you have to throw moving left, when you have
to constantly avoid He even drew Brees who didn't have
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the big arm and wasn't hyperathletic or Brady. Constantly moving
within the pocket, constantly having to throw when you're uncomfortable
in a muddy pocket. That's not Michigan.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Yeah, listen, I understand, okay that he had it. Why
some people would say easy because he had such good
offensive line play, but also his opportunities were limited because
they didn't throw the ball at times, and he has
more experience being under centered than like all these other
quarterbacks combined, So there's negatives. Do I agree that it's
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hard to picture him as a top five pick, of course,
of course. But I've watched Drake May play. There's been
some times when Drake May was less than spectacular. There's
nothing special at all. Jade Daniels was outstanding this year.
I can tell you there were times at Arizona State
he was awful, awful, and how his teammates kind of
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helped him pack at Arizona State that was a little
bit alarming to me. But I'm generally with Colin. I
have the most skepticism over JJ McCarthy, just because if
he was that good, why didn't they let him throw more.
Here's Rachel Nichols talking about Kevin Durant and the old
thinking you need a big three to.
Speaker 9 (18:43):
Win, and I think that's what we're seeing right now.
It's almost an indictment on that sort of desire to
have a big three, superstar culture.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
In the NBA.
Speaker 9 (18:50):
There aren't a lot of big threes around the league anymore.
Really is a duo kind of league again, and that
is because teams have realized that, except in exceptional circumstances,
with the way the salary rules are, you are better
off having a couple big stars, but a full complete team.
And Anthony Edwards was pretty funny going into these playoffs.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
He said, they have Kad, but we have.
Speaker 9 (19:12):
Jade McDaniels, right, and it's sort of okay, okay, but
guess what, Jade.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
McDaniels got it done last night.
Speaker 9 (19:19):
And Kevin Durant did not look as involved as you
would want him to, especially in the second half.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
And I just think that he knows. He's a vet.
He understands what they have and what they don't have,
and they do not have enough.
Speaker 9 (19:31):
It is striking when you watch this Sun's team and
look all season thirtieth in terms of fourth quarter offense,
which is just bonkers, right, Turnovers, They're in the bottom
sixth fifth of the league in turnovers and things like that.
So I just think that they are not a complete
enough team. We knew that going into this series, and
it was the Timberwolves. We weren't paying close enough attention to.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Look. I think she's She's definitely right in terms of
building up the entire team. Okay O, Regel knows the league.
But we're also handing a trophy to the Timberwolves when like,
can we see what happens when they go to Phoenix?
Speaker 10 (20:08):
Right?
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Can we see what happens when they go to Phoenix?
So before we before we we hand the trophy for
the Western Conference Championship to the Timberwolves. Because look, I
think you would say that Denver is a big two
and then a supporting cast. But the truth is that
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Aaron Gordon is paid like an elite star and he was.
He's definitely taken on a tertiary role, but that's not
what he was before he got there, Right, That's not
what he was before he got there. And I do
think one of the reasons, there's two reasons that guys
don't have a big three. The first is because they
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want to fill out a whole roster, but the real
reason is because they can't get that third guy. But yes,
the you win with your depth. You win with with
five guys and having you know, seven or eight in
terms of total more than you do one. The thunder
don't have a second star and the Sons don't have
a point guard or a true starting center or much
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of a bench because everything's in those big three. That's
what the Fox said. Let's find out who are what
is annoying Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Hey, Doug, there's this guy named David Fleming. Are you
familiar Dave Fleming? David Fleming?
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Sure is he?
Speaker 4 (21:39):
I think he's a columnist. Okay, he went on. Pablo
Torres tore, Okay, there it is. I guess if you
put the apostrophe us could sound like Torres Pablo's podcast
and said this about the scuttle butt about Caleb Williams,
(22:00):
What did.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
This guy tell you that they can report.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
I hated it.
Speaker 11 (22:03):
Hated it. He would scare the out of me if
I was working for a team. Raw emotion is great,
but Caleb's thing that was ridiculous to me. That threw
up major red flags. You just lost a game in
the middle of your season, and it was like your
third loss in the Pac twelve, and you went hugging
on mommy and crying in Mommy's arms, and it just
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seems really freaking weak and nuts. And I will tell
you he scares the out of a lot of NFL
teams too. The book on him is he's just kind
of a weird kid. One GM told me it's like
if principlayed quarterback. Look, I don't know him from Adam.
I do not know him, but to me, that looked
weak as really fragile.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Man. There's a whole lot to unpack there, Doug, and
you probably have one part of this that you're annoyed by.
My I'm kind of annoyed by the reaction to this.
You know Jim Trotter, who's a favorite part of this segment. Actually,
Jim Trotter says, one positive about not being involved in
this year's NFL draft is that I get to avoid
stupid and predictable shit like this. I think David Fleming
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is an old school but I also think that the
old school mentality still exists in the modern day NFL.
I don't think that NFL locker rooms are as open
minded as the far left want us to think it is.
And I do think that his eccentricity was it eccentricism eccentricity.
Eccentricity is going to be an issue if he loses.
(23:35):
It's like bull Durham. Eccentricity is fine if you're winning
twenty games on the show. If not, you're a swap.
Or if not, you're an eccentric weirdo who can't win games.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Correct, correct, correct, And by the way, like I don't
know David from Adam, I really don't, So I don't
know he's sourcing whatever, but it stands to me. And again,
you know me, don't. I don't love a lot of
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the Pablo stuff where he tries to just be smart
show he's very very bright, but tries to show how
smart he is. You know, he's a guy. He went
to Harvard. Don't believe me, ask him or wait for
him to tell you. But I think it's interesting, right
because Pablo would be a guy who you generally marcus
as woke, right, and yet he understands. I even think
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the dynamic of a locker room like, yeah, locker room
is even people who on social media, we know this
social media appear to be very open and care free
about others' sexual preference, other styles whatever. That's just the
public image because they know there's far too much backlash
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if you push back the other way. So yeah, I'm
completely with you in that. I think there's a there's
You can definitely find a scout and probably a GM
that would say these things if they knew they weren't
going to be quote and would be uh what would
be anonymous so they can say how they really feel.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
And Iowa Sam has a particular issue with this that
he he likens one of the I guess the NFL
executive likened him to drafting Prince. What was your take
on this, Sam, I.
Speaker 12 (25:17):
Just think it's a weird comp I mean, I don't know, Uh,
is Caleb Williams gonna go out there and wear like
five inch platform heels on, you know, on the sidelines.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
It's just like, uh, I don't know. I don't.
Speaker 12 (25:29):
I kind of get the camp, but yet I don't.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
Okay, so let's move on. I love Prince, by the way,
I love Prince.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Too, but mother played for my dad. You'd have Milwaukee
Prince Diad Prince's brother.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
Oh, okay, I.
Speaker 12 (25:46):
That they're from up there in a Minnesota in an area,
But I don't know, what is it? What is it
insinuating when he's saying it's like drafting Prince, like what
he's he's eccentric, yes, but there's other things Prince would wear. Blouses, yeah, unpredictable, unreliable.
If you watch the I'm glad you brought this up.
(26:06):
If you watch the documentary on We Are the World,
you'll find out that Prince is pretty out there. There
was the who's who of music artists from the mid
eighties and We Are the World, and Prince stood them
up and he's like, I'm good, and he didn't.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
He didn't. He never said he wouldn't do it. He
was right down the street at another party and he's like, eh,
if I get around to it, and he never showed up.
I think that's kind of what they're tapping into with
this Prince comparison. We Are the Children great documentary. We
are the ones to make a brighter day. So let's
start giving.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Let's start giving. There's a choice you're making.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
You kind of sound a little like what's his name,
the rock legend his part in that song, Bob doing
Yeah Yeah eversion, Bob doing.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
You Man, You and Me.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
The documentary points out that Bob Doan was a little
overwhelmed or intimidated because you have this entire room of
great vocalists and his his strength wasn't vocal strength was Yeah,
his strength was kind of this revolutionary artist and not vocals.
But anyways, Secondly, people are pissed off that the Bears
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aren't announcing their top pick, and that just goes to
show how entitled the NFL media is, like, we need
this information now, what's wrong? What's going on? Why are
they doing this? This is weird. They must not be prepared,
They must suck. There's an entire industry of reality show spoilers.
I know this because my friend Steve Carbone used to
(27:49):
do sports radio. Now is reality Steve. He has created
a cottage industry of just giving bachelor spoilerks and he
makes his living doing that. There there's a set of
our population that wants to know what's going to happen
before they see it. I'm not that person. And Ryan
Poles he addressed it the other day.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
This pick is not contingent on what anyone else does.
You've talked throughout publicly as though Caleb is the plan?
Are you set on making him your quarterback now?
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Unfortunately, it's one of those things.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
I think everyone's got to tune in on Thursday to
watch and figure out.
Speaker 8 (28:27):
But I feel really good about our process and where
we are and.
Speaker 5 (28:30):
Where we're headed.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
So we know what we're going to do, but everyone's
gonna have to wait till Thursday. I love this. Tune
in and watch the NFL, especially as the product has
declined over the years, has become more and more a
TV show. It's become entertainment, and just like The Bachelor,
tune in for the finale to see who they pick.
Just tune in. They're not going to give that away
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before the finale. And Ryan Poles, I think is playing
this straight. I think he's playing it right.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Doug, I don't know if he's playing it right. I
don't know if the NFL wants him to do it
this way. There's a good chance that the NFL is like, hey,
like you said, it's a TV show. We want there
to be some sort of drama. Or there's also the
look we want to take Kayleb Williams, but we'll leave
it to the last second. Somebody wants to come in
with some desperate offer, you know, by all means we'll
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at least listen. So I think that's what it's about.
But I definitely think there's a chance that the NFL
is like, hey, can you hold off on that just
so we can get a little bit of a pop.
Will we announce he's a number one overall pick.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
On the air Tuesday, I want to say Tuesday. Yeah.
So the Broncos traded for Zach Wilson. And that's a
very important part of this that Broncos traded for Zach Wilson.
This was not Zack Wilson's choice. Zach Wilson hasn't doesn't
have enough credit in the bank to choose where he plays. Okay,
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So Tom Pelisero went on Colin Cowhart Show and said, this,
this is a really.
Speaker 13 (29:59):
Interesting one too, because remember Zach Wilson played a BYU,
he's from out there. He obviously didn't work out for
him in New York. So you get him back home,
you get him for virtually nothing in terms of a
late round pick swap.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Now I got him back home.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
Yeah, you get him back The first eight seconds of
that was complete gibberish. That means nothing. He played at
a college that is a state adjacent to Colorado, still
a very long drive, A chance to get him back home,
get him back in the mountains. I think the Broncos
made an interest was can we get somebody who played
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in the mountain time zone so we can get them
back home. It's complete gibberish. I hate geology analysis and
Pelisar was a good guy. I kind of like him,
but he fell right into the trap. I can't stand that.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
He's from Utah as well, so it's like I love
to get him back home. Like how does that.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
Big sky country?
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Where does that work?
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Mountain?
Speaker 3 (30:56):
West Front Range? That's actually a rocky mountain called the
Front Range? At home on the range, getting back in
the Front Range.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
So I like these choices today. You got the reaction
to the Caleb Williams eccentricity, the reaction to the Bears
not giving up their pick, and then geography analysis.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
I've got to tell you I like the geography analysis
because we talked about it earlier this week and about
how it all kind of played out right. It's like
you spoke it into fruition. So for that, Tom pelis
are who we like.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
Why are we doing this?
Speaker 2 (31:36):
I do.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Because we can.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
So Rafshid Wallace he was interesting as a player and
he's become a very interesting quote as a podcaster. He
went after Tobias Harris this week.
Speaker 10 (31:53):
I can't really blame buddy though, you know what I mean,
because he just got here. But I can motherfucking blame
Tobias's with his shit though.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (32:01):
And if you're listening, yeah, we're mad with you too, dog.
You gotta step that shit the fuck up. Yo, you're
getting all that bread.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
Yo.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
We need more than five for twelve for ten points.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
By the way, that's what every locker room I've ever
been in sounds like. And I hear that one. We're
telling this just like you're coming at halftime, you're coming
after the game, and everybody's talking like, yo, man, yo, man,
we got, we got we can't drop you drop this game,
can't drop this game. Blah blah blah blah blah. And
then and then some old head in the back says this.
Speaker 10 (32:30):
I can't really blame buddy though, you know what I mean,
because he just got here. But I can mother fucking
blame Tobias with his shit though. Yeah, and if you're listening, yeah,
we're mad with you too, dog. You gotta step that
shit the fuck up.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Yo.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
You're getting all that bread, yo. We need more than
five for twelve for ten points.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Yes, yes, Ross sheid, that's what it actually sounds like
people ask all the time, like, man, what's it really
likely locker room? That's just like like when they talk,
you talk about girls sometimes often not that much. You know,
if they did, it's it's usually not you don't talk
about girls. You actually like it's about other other chicks.
(33:13):
But hoop, that's what it's. That's what it sounds like.
And dudes are like, yo, who you could?
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Who you?
Speaker 3 (33:19):
Motherfucking guys would go chest to chest and then if
it's rashid he carries a little bit of respect, you go, ay, sheet,
I got you, I got you, I got you all right,
Like he gave Buddy heel to pass because Buddy just
got to to to to the sixers, like what he's
been in the league for a decade. He has one job,
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shoot the basketball. He didn't get any pass. But again, Rushie,
this is rush she he's talking. You just let him
do his thing. It was fucking beautiful. That was a
beautiful cut. That's what locker rooms sound like. People like,
what does it sound like when they because because you know,
you always have the coach go in and speak to
the team and they're like, all right, baby, bring it
up up that's what it actually sounds like. What's it
(34:02):
sound like at halftime or a postgame the sister game?
This is good, sound like.
Speaker 10 (34:08):
I can't really blame Buddy though, you know what I mean,
because he just got here. But I can mother fucking
blame Tobias with his shit though. Yeah, and if you're listening,
he we're mad with you too, doog. You gotta step
that shit the fuck up.
Speaker 8 (34:21):
Yo.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
You're getting all that bread.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
Yo.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
We need more than five for twelve or ten points, so.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
Good, more than five for twelve or six points, so
fucking good, so good. Why can we play for you?
Because we can just get you our pick of the day.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Okay, sir, the bet is to you in baby, it's
time for the Pick of the day.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Pick of the day comes to us from the NBA
where last night, sorry my son's pick. I did tell
you that all the underdog I said, all three underdogs
I liked, and then I ended up the pick of
the day was the Sons. That was the only underdog
that did not win. Obviously they did not cover. So
tonight you got Oklahoma City and New Orleans, Miami and Boston.
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I wouldn't touch the Miami one. Although I would I
would consider teasing it and taking Miami as a massive dog,
even though they don't have Jimmy Butler, just to keep
that thing relatively close. But New Orleans Oklahoma City speaks
to me. We've seen so many of these second games
be held in the balance, and I think this game
is one in which it's going to be really, really
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close because I don't know how Oklahoma City gets tougher
on the boards, and they really only have one guy
that can create shots. So I think New Orleans got
a shot to win. But eight points tonight is tasty.
I'll take that. Give me New Orleans and the points.
That's my pick of the day. That's it for the end.
The Motors podcast Chick at the Radio show every day
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(35:49):
Fox Sports Radio. Download it when you download the podcasts.
I'm Doug Gotlig
All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Heres in
the bonus with Doug Gottlieb.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Gotta let me out about it right right now.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Welcome in, Welcome in. So last night we got a
little bit of what we thought we would get. You know,
clearly I thought that the that the one team you
could count on to bounce back in game two was
the one thing that team that didn't bounce back in
game two. And I think there's an excellent discussion around it.
(00:36):
It's the what's the best way to build a team?
Now Minnesota, we can say, hey, they built the team
really well, but they were shitty for twenty five years.
That's a great way to build a roster, be shitty
for twenty five years. But people have pointed out, and
rightfully so, like they took a risk and added Rudy
Gobert and by most people's estimation, overpaid him. But you know,
(00:58):
Karl Anthony Towns hasn't been healthy and isn't nearly the
guy that I think some people thought he would be.
Anthony Edwards is maybe better, but so far, so good
with the Rudy Gobert experiment in the playoffs this year,
with with the Wolves. But the interesting part of the discussion.
An interesting part of the discussion is do you cheat steps,
(01:21):
do you go after a big two or a big three,
or do you build organically and you know, draft well
and re sign your players. That's, by the way, what
Oklahoma City's trying to do.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Right.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
You have Shay, you want to build on him, and
I guess chet would be the other guy who could
be their star. But I like tonight, I think is
a huge challenge for Oklahoma City tonight. It's going to
be an interesting challenge for Boston, although I just don't
think that Miami has the weaponry to take them down.
No matter how well they shoot the basketball. This team
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doesn't shoot as well as other other heat teams had
even without Jimmy, and without Jimmy Butler, there's not the
need to help anybody. But you go back to last night,
and I can pick apart the fact that they have
him been a whole all season, or the fact they
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don't have a point guard, they don't really have a
center or a starting center at this level, or Kevin
Durant being older and tired. Jade McDaniel's being a great
match for him. But you have to be really disappointed
if you're the Suns to come out two and not
really be in the game late last night. As for
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the Mavericks, do what more can you say? I just
I chuckle at people who question Luca. Yeah, he takes
a lot of shots, but the guy is unbelievable, unbelievable
and finds a way to basically do it all. Whereas
the Clippers, who many people have thought, myself included times
best team in the league, can't make a shot last night.
(02:58):
Eight of thirty from three is going to get you
beat just about every night in this lake.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
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Speaker 3 (03:13):
Let's welcome in a guy who is very likely to
be the first of many talented offensive lineman taken in
tomorrow night's first round of the NFL Draft. He's Joe
Allt No Tree Dame, and he joins us here on
The Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Joe, how
are you, good man? What's this like for you?
Speaker 5 (03:31):
You know, it's obviously a very exciting time. I'm really
excited tomorrow to find out you know, where my where
my future is at, where I'm headed. But also I
you know, I always want to touch on it's extremely
grateful to be in this position. I'm grateful to have,
you know, the people around me who have supported me
thus far and taught me to be a man and
how to play football on and off the field. So
it's a really exciting time. But I also always want
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to show my gratitude to those who have helped me
thus far.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
I went to Notre Dame for a year, played basketball
there for a year, and Pat Garrity was amical engineering major.
You were a mechanical engineering major, yep, I told Pat.
And he's only because he's a psycho would he go
after such a challenging degree at a challenging school. So
let me ask you, why are you such a psycho
and go after a mechanical engineering degree?
Speaker 6 (04:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (04:15):
I actually took an engineering class in high school. It
was like one semester a year freshman the senior year,
and I kind of fell in love with what I
was doing. I'd always been like pretty good at math
and science, and I was like, you know what, let's
see what we got. What we can do and I
kind of fell into the trap. Freshman year was like, oh,
you know, here's all your easy general courses and they're
not too bad. And I kind of even did it
and I was like, all right, this isn't too bad. Then,
(04:36):
like I got the sophomore year, I'm like, I might
have picked the wrong thing, but we got it done.
We got it, you know, spent a lot of time
doing it. Still enjoy it. Just got a lot harder,
but it's been good so far.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Would you bench at the at the combine I.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
Did twenty seven?
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Is that a pr for you?
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (04:53):
That was a pr at that at that point I
was hoping for you know, twenty eight. I hit the
hit the the clips on the racks, so I would
have loved them more. But that's right, all right, So.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
You're you're under there, like what is your process of
like that? That's a lot of reps of two twenty five?
Speaker 5 (05:07):
Yeah. For me, the way I did it was always
with breaths. I would always take, you know, how many
can I do on one breath versus how many can
I do on my second breath? So it was all
like restulated. So I was like, all right, I can
do fifty on the first breath, and I know I
can do six in a second, and then I was
gonna go for three, and then it was like, all right,
that's when I knew how I was feeling at twenty four.
I knew I could get twenty four. Now is it
(05:27):
gonna go? You know two one one one, one one
on one from there. So that's kind of how I
did it in my mind.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Were you just wrecked at Like? What's that when you're
done and you have all that adrenaline going through and
you got twenty seven, you thought you got twenty eight.
You hit the clips when you get up and everybody's
high five, and you're like, what what is What does
that feel like?
Speaker 5 (05:43):
Yeah? It's uh. I always go to like it's the
reward of all the hard work I put in. You know,
I trained really hard to you know, improve my bench,
improve that specific drill and being able to go out
there and you know, perform and put a number that
I was happy with and you know, see my my
work kind of payoff was always very exciting and you know,
grateful for those who allowed me to get to that position.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
What's I'm just fascinated by by the stuff that you've
had to put yourself through. You mentioned like all the
hard work. What is that like to you get done
with the season and now you're not necessarily training yourself
for play, You're training yourself for the combine and for
the pro day. So how'd you have to change your training?
Speaker 5 (06:24):
Yeah? I was able to hire a strength and conditioning
coach named Bill Welly for all of the you know,
getting the combine events done, you know, the forty, the
pro agility, the two twenty five. So he was the
guy who I went to who really allowed me to learn,
you know, the form and the proper running technique and
got me faster and stronger and prepared for the combine.
And then I was able to also use Alex Boone
(06:45):
for all the football stuff, so I really didn't have
to you know, change everything I was doing. I was
able to still you know, focus on the combine by
doing the drills and getting faster than those, but I
also spent you know, an hour to an hour and
a half every single day working on my football technique
and things that I need to improve from last season
going forward. So I was able to kind of do
both since day my routine being able to train a home,
so it went really well for me.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
That's interesting you used used Alex Boon that that actually
that actually kind of helps me because you know, there
are some that believe that the Chargers are going to
pick you in the first round. Of course, Alex Boon
played for Harbaugh at uh UH with the with the
San Francisco forty nine ers. What are your thoughts on
(07:26):
the possibility of going that high in the draft.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
Obviously a very exciting opportunity, and I'd be extremely grateful
to go there. Having the connection, you know, with the
guy I trained with, Alex Boone, being with Harbaugh would
be really exciting to just kind of, you know, continue
what he had learned and been taught from by coach
Harbaugh and continue on That would be very exciting. Would
just be extremely grateful for that opportunity.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
It does feel like, I don't know, there feels like
a rebirth in the importance of offensive Tackles have always
been important, but with the run game coming so much
back into play, obviously not just the Harbaugh's but also
you look at what the with the Shanahan and all
the different kind of younger coaches emphasizing running the football,
but also the emphasis on you know, being able to
(08:08):
really move people. Do you feel like there's more of
an emphasis on offensive lineman whereas you know, I mean
back when your dad played, I don't know if there
was nearly the same emphasis on the importance of building
inside out.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
Yeah. I always think offensive line is most important thissition
on the field. That's just because that's why I played.
I think they have a very unique deal where you
know you have content and every single play and your
your success matters directly to the success of the play.
If you get beating a run play, your quarterback might
be getting tackled for a TfL. If you get beating
a pass player, quarterbacks get sacked. So things like that,
(08:41):
I think, you know, offensive line plays should always be
very important. We hold a special role and have a
special job, but we kind of love doing what we do.
I think a lot of offensive linemen are similarly mentally wired,
and we don't want to goord. We just love doing
what we're doing. So I think I've always thought offensive
line play is really important, and I'm happy that it's
kind of, you know, swinging around a little bit where
you know, some of the guys who are really good
at their craft are able to get some attention. And
(09:03):
you know, I love watching a lot of the top
guys in the NFL do their thing because it's it's
what I love and that's what I know.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Cherish Joel joining us here on the Doug gott Leep Show.
You're going to hear his name called very very early
in Thursday Night's first round of the NFL Draft. What
are you doing with Tide for the NFL Draft?
Speaker 5 (09:19):
Yeah? I partnered with PNG and Meyer before the draft
just for like some of the essentials obviously moving to
a new city, a new home, a new team, you
had to be essentials, and they're really ready for anything.
And more specifically with Tide, I grew up a Tide kid.
My mom always had on the laundry machine, always washing
our clothes. I was able to, you know, tackle really
any mess that I gave or you know, it could
(09:39):
be football jerseys, you know, football pants, you know, my
sweaty basketball jerseys. And then also more recently with Meyer
going to Notre Dame, they got a Meyer rid on
the road, right it all my shopping and was able
to grow an issue with them and you know a
little plug from my Notre Dame fans and people live here. Meyer,
there's this guy going on. He spent fifteen dollars or
(09:59):
more on ping products. You can get the dollars off
going forth to the twenty seven aaity.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Wait, you get fifteen dollars off you spend fifty dollars
or more? Yes, okay, I want to make sure because
it did. It sounded like you get fifty dollars off
you spend fifteen or more, and that would have that
would have been all I know. I know, listen, I
know you're an engineering guy and I'm a business guy,
but that would have been terrible business from an engineering
guy seeing as much math as you guys do.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
Yeah. No, I'm sorry, but I appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Yeah, question for you, I feel like Notre Dame. Like,
obviously there was some nil there going at your quarterback
with his luxurious locks, but it's not. It doesn't strike
me as a school that that is that you guys
are at the top of most most bidding wars. How
(10:47):
do you think, just again your feelings, you're alive and
a college student in twenty twenty four, I'm not how
do you think nil and guys having money in their
pockets before they get to the NFL. How do you
think that affects guys.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
Yeah, I'm a very old school my approach to it,
and that's why I was raised. So the NIL thing
was a very big surprise to me as well. I
think it's a great addition to college football. I think
it's a little bit out of control and how it's
being handled at the moment, but that's not something that
I'm responsible for. But you know, I think there's definitely
a place for it. It just kind of needs to
(11:22):
get a little bit more more control and more specific
regulations on you know, what players really should be earning
and how it you know, works across team to team
and whatnot.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Yeah, but what I'm saying is like, there's there's a
report that some guys aren't going to the combine because
they're so not going to to the draft because they're
used to being paid for appearances now and there's just
a different level maybe of reverence for making the NFL
when you're already making legit cash in college. And obviously
most people understand there's a massive difference in that second
(11:54):
contract is generational wealth. But I just I just wondered
if you think, if you feel like the guys are,
and maybe you can't because this is your first time round.
But do you think like there's a bit of a
difference during your four years of college in terms of
how guys handle themselves, how guys can how how because look,
I'll just tell you, like college basketball, when I was playing,
(12:14):
the league is everything, everything, everything, and you go and
every gym and every team you go to, they all
think they're going to league and that's everything, right, It's
how quickly can I go? And it's still everything, but
there's still a hey, man, if I get myself in
the portal, I can get paid. Like if I don't
make the league, I'm still good. It has changed a
little bit. I'm wondering if you've noticed any of that
(12:36):
change during your time in college.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
No, I definitely have. There's a little bit of a
change between you know why, I think some guys play
the game. I have a unique thing where I love
football and that's why I play football. I love competing.
I love the competition aspect. I think there's some guys
and you know, the college nowadays, maybe don't love football
as much. But there is this, you know, the idea
of money, and that's obviously a great thing and maybe
(12:59):
they're doing it more for that safe than the football thing.
But you know, I always only they can talk about myself,
and you know that's why I play football, cut up
the game. I love to compete. So I have seen
a little bit of it, but it's not something that
you know, I've seen enough to where I think it
can be a problem going forward.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Cool. Just so people know, ahead of the twenty four
NFL Draft, P and G and Meyer are teaming up
to host players in Detroit for the first P and
G Draft House presented by Meyer, where they'll provide the
essentials from trusted P and G brands like Tide to
help them be ready for anything as they begin their
pro careers. Joe, all the hard work is going to
pay off on Thursday. You've earned it. I can't imagine
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how excited that you and your family are. Congratulations in advance,
and thanks for joining us.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
Thank you very much for having me appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
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Speaker 3 (13:53):
Let's let's get to what the Fox says, and now.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
What fo same.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Here's LeVar Arrington with his reaction to David Fleming saying
an NFL exec told him that drafting Caleb Williams is
like drafting prince since.
Speaker 7 (14:12):
Windy being prince. I was just gonna say, LeVar, I mean,
when's that a bad thing? I love prince, I know,
I mean I looked at him. I kind of love
him in that way. No, but seriously, I just how
do you equate? And listen, I had a strong take
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on him crying and his mom. Yeah yeah, and when
doves cry, you know, and I die for you. I
had a strong take on him crying in his mom's arms.
Speaker 6 (14:44):
I did. And and just the idea of thinking that
you should paint a picture as if prince isn't the
baddest Mamma jama that has ever done it, at least
one of them, is really unfair. It's really unfair to
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make that comparison as if it was a derogatory term.
There is only one prince that has ever existed, and
there will only be one prince that ever existed. So
you're basically saying that to compare Caleb Williams two the
brilliance of one prince is to say that you're calling
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Caleb Williams one of one and there will only be
one Caleb Williams.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Yeah, I don't even know what he's.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Like.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
The the the Prince analogy to me just signifies the fact. Yeah.
The only thing I can surmise from the Prince analogy
is he's what's the word that we were discussing earlier,
He's he's eccentric, right, And there's no doubt that's what
Prince was. And how does those how do those eccentricities,
how do they how do they fit in an NFL
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locker room? So I don't think it's as crazy. It
is a weird name to put into a football locker room.
But once he said Prince, you're like, hey, hey, I
got kind of get it. It's eccentric, even though those
guys I think got caught up in the word or
the name Prince more so than what he was. What
he was very likely trying to analogize. Here's Colin Cowher
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talking about JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 8 (16:24):
So my quarterback this year. There's a star and I
don't get it is JJ McCarthy in Michigan. I think
he's Mitch Trubisky with a better college coach. He's mobile,
he's a nice kid. But his ball dies. His ball dies.
He misses easy stuff, misses too many laps. And unless
his feet are pointed in the right direction and he
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is set and he's got time and he can look
down his receiver, he's not that accurate consistently. I just
don't see it. And again, what I just described protection,
your feeder set, you've got everything ready to deliver, you've
got space. That's Michigan. That's not the NFL. In Michigan,
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you had perfect protection. The kid got sacked like almost never.
I think he got sacked like in thirteen fourteen games.
He got sacked like seventeen times once a game he
played with the lead. He had a run game. That
is not the NFL. What are you when stuff implodes,
when you have to throw moving left, when you have
to constantly avoid He even drew Brees who didn't have
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the big arm and wasn't hyperathletic or Brady. Constantly moving
within the pocket, constantly having to throw when you're uncomfortable
in a muddy pocket. That's not Michigan.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Yeah, listen, I understand, okay that he had it. Why
some people would say easy because he had such good
offensive line play, but also his opportunities were limited because
they didn't throw the ball at times, and he has
more experience being under centered than like all these other
quarterbacks combined, So there's negatives. Do I agree that it's
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hard to picture him as a top five pick, of course,
of course. But I've watched Drake May play. There's been
some times when Drake May was less than spectacular. There's
nothing special at all. Jade Daniels was outstanding this year.
I can tell you there were times at Arizona State
he was awful, awful, and how his teammates kind of
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helped him pack at Arizona State that was a little
bit alarming to me. But I'm generally with Colin. I
have the most skepticism over JJ McCarthy, just because if
he was that good, why didn't they let him throw more.
Here's Rachel Nichols talking about Kevin Durant and the old
thinking you need a big three to.
Speaker 9 (18:43):
Win, and I think that's what we're seeing right now.
It's almost an indictment on that sort of desire to
have a big three, superstar culture.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
In the NBA.
Speaker 9 (18:50):
There aren't a lot of big threes around the league anymore.
Really is a duo kind of league again, and that
is because teams have realized that, except in exceptional circumstances,
with the way the salary rules are, you are better
off having a couple big stars, but a full complete team.
And Anthony Edwards was pretty funny going into these playoffs.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
He said, they have Kad, but we have.
Speaker 9 (19:12):
Jade McDaniels, right, and it's sort of okay, okay, but
guess what, Jade.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
McDaniels got it done last night.
Speaker 9 (19:19):
And Kevin Durant did not look as involved as you
would want him to, especially in the second half.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
And I just think that he knows. He's a vet.
He understands what they have and what they don't have,
and they do not have enough.
Speaker 9 (19:31):
It is striking when you watch this Sun's team and
look all season thirtieth in terms of fourth quarter offense,
which is just bonkers, right, Turnovers, They're in the bottom
sixth fifth of the league in turnovers and things like that.
So I just think that they are not a complete
enough team. We knew that going into this series, and
it was the Timberwolves. We weren't paying close enough attention to.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Look. I think she's She's definitely right in terms of
building up the entire team. Okay O, Regel knows the league.
But we're also handing a trophy to the Timberwolves when like,
can we see what happens when they go to Phoenix?
Speaker 10 (20:08):
Right?
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Can we see what happens when they go to Phoenix?
So before we before we we hand the trophy for
the Western Conference Championship to the Timberwolves. Because look, I
think you would say that Denver is a big two
and then a supporting cast. But the truth is that
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Aaron Gordon is paid like an elite star and he was.
He's definitely taken on a tertiary role, but that's not
what he was before he got there, Right, That's not
what he was before he got there. And I do
think one of the reasons, there's two reasons that guys
don't have a big three. The first is because they
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want to fill out a whole roster, but the real
reason is because they can't get that third guy. But yes,
the you win with your depth. You win with with
five guys and having you know, seven or eight in
terms of total more than you do one. The thunder
don't have a second star and the Sons don't have
a point guard or a true starting center or much
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of a bench because everything's in those big three. That's
what the Fox said. Let's find out who are what
is annoying Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Hey, Doug, there's this guy named David Fleming. Are you
familiar Dave Fleming? David Fleming?
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Sure is he?
Speaker 4 (21:39):
I think he's a columnist. Okay, he went on. Pablo
Torres tore, Okay, there it is. I guess if you
put the apostrophe us could sound like Torres Pablo's podcast
and said this about the scuttle butt about Caleb Williams,
(22:00):
What did.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
This guy tell you that they can report.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
I hated it.
Speaker 11 (22:03):
Hated it. He would scare the out of me if
I was working for a team. Raw emotion is great,
but Caleb's thing that was ridiculous to me. That threw
up major red flags. You just lost a game in
the middle of your season, and it was like your
third loss in the Pac twelve, and you went hugging
on mommy and crying in Mommy's arms, and it just
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seems really freaking weak and nuts. And I will tell
you he scares the out of a lot of NFL
teams too. The book on him is he's just kind
of a weird kid. One GM told me it's like
if principlayed quarterback. Look, I don't know him from Adam.
I do not know him, but to me, that looked
weak as really fragile.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Man. There's a whole lot to unpack there, Doug, and
you probably have one part of this that you're annoyed by.
My I'm kind of annoyed by the reaction to this.
You know Jim Trotter, who's a favorite part of this segment. Actually,
Jim Trotter says, one positive about not being involved in
this year's NFL draft is that I get to avoid
stupid and predictable shit like this. I think David Fleming
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is an old school but I also think that the
old school mentality still exists in the modern day NFL.
I don't think that NFL locker rooms are as open
minded as the far left want us to think it is.
And I do think that his eccentricity was it eccentricism eccentricity.
Eccentricity is going to be an issue if he loses.
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It's like bull Durham. Eccentricity is fine if you're winning
twenty games on the show. If not, you're a swap.
Or if not, you're an eccentric weirdo who can't win games.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Correct, correct, correct, And by the way, like I don't
know David from Adam, I really don't, So I don't
know he's sourcing whatever, but it stands to me. And again,
you know me, don't. I don't love a lot of
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the Pablo stuff where he tries to just be smart
show he's very very bright, but tries to show how
smart he is. You know, he's a guy. He went
to Harvard. Don't believe me, ask him or wait for
him to tell you. But I think it's interesting, right
because Pablo would be a guy who you generally marcus
as woke, right, and yet he understands. I even think
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the dynamic of a locker room like, yeah, locker room
is even people who on social media, we know this
social media appear to be very open and care free
about others' sexual preference, other styles whatever. That's just the
public image because they know there's far too much backlash
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if you push back the other way. So yeah, I'm
completely with you in that. I think there's a there's
You can definitely find a scout and probably a GM
that would say these things if they knew they weren't
going to be quote and would be uh what would
be anonymous so they can say how they really feel.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
And Iowa Sam has a particular issue with this that
he he likens one of the I guess the NFL
executive likened him to drafting Prince. What was your take
on this, Sam, I.
Speaker 12 (25:17):
Just think it's a weird comp I mean, I don't know, Uh,
is Caleb Williams gonna go out there and wear like
five inch platform heels on, you know, on the sidelines.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
It's just like, uh, I don't know. I don't.
Speaker 12 (25:29):
I kind of get the camp, but yet I don't.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
Okay, so let's move on. I love Prince, by the way,
I love Prince.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Too, but mother played for my dad. You'd have Milwaukee
Prince Diad Prince's brother.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
Oh, okay, I.
Speaker 12 (25:46):
That they're from up there in a Minnesota in an area,
But I don't know, what is it? What is it
insinuating when he's saying it's like drafting Prince, like what
he's he's eccentric, yes, but there's other things Prince would wear. Blouses, yeah, unpredictable, unreliable.
If you watch the I'm glad you brought this up.
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If you watch the documentary on We Are the World,
you'll find out that Prince is pretty out there. There
was the who's who of music artists from the mid
eighties and We Are the World, and Prince stood them
up and he's like, I'm good, and he didn't.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
He didn't. He never said he wouldn't do it. He
was right down the street at another party and he's like, eh,
if I get around to it, and he never showed up.
I think that's kind of what they're tapping into with
this Prince comparison. We Are the Children great documentary. We
are the ones to make a brighter day. So let's
start giving.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Let's start giving. There's a choice you're making.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
You kind of sound a little like what's his name,
the rock legend his part in that song, Bob doing
Yeah Yeah eversion, Bob doing.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
You Man, You and Me.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
The documentary points out that Bob Doan was a little
overwhelmed or intimidated because you have this entire room of
great vocalists and his his strength wasn't vocal strength was Yeah,
his strength was kind of this revolutionary artist and not vocals.
But anyways, Secondly, people are pissed off that the Bears
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aren't announcing their top pick, and that just goes to
show how entitled the NFL media is, like, we need
this information now, what's wrong? What's going on? Why are
they doing this? This is weird. They must not be prepared,
They must suck. There's an entire industry of reality show spoilers.
I know this because my friend Steve Carbone used to
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do sports radio. Now is reality Steve. He has created
a cottage industry of just giving bachelor spoilerks and he
makes his living doing that. There there's a set of
our population that wants to know what's going to happen
before they see it. I'm not that person. And Ryan
Poles he addressed it the other day.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
This pick is not contingent on what anyone else does.
You've talked throughout publicly as though Caleb is the plan?
Are you set on making him your quarterback now?
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Unfortunately, it's one of those things.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
I think everyone's got to tune in on Thursday to
watch and figure out.
Speaker 8 (28:27):
But I feel really good about our process and where
we are and.
Speaker 5 (28:30):
Where we're headed.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
So we know what we're going to do, but everyone's
gonna have to wait till Thursday. I love this. Tune
in and watch the NFL, especially as the product has
declined over the years, has become more and more a
TV show. It's become entertainment, and just like The Bachelor,
tune in for the finale to see who they pick.
Just tune in. They're not going to give that away
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before the finale. And Ryan Poles, I think is playing
this straight. I think he's playing it right.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Doug, I don't know if he's playing it right. I
don't know if the NFL wants him to do it
this way. There's a good chance that the NFL is like, hey,
like you said, it's a TV show. We want there
to be some sort of drama. Or there's also the
look we want to take Kayleb Williams, but we'll leave
it to the last second. Somebody wants to come in
with some desperate offer, you know, by all means we'll
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at least listen. So I think that's what it's about.
But I definitely think there's a chance that the NFL
is like, hey, can you hold off on that just
so we can get a little bit of a pop.
Will we announce he's a number one overall pick.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
On the air Tuesday, I want to say Tuesday. Yeah.
So the Broncos traded for Zach Wilson. And that's a
very important part of this that Broncos traded for Zach Wilson.
This was not Zack Wilson's choice. Zach Wilson hasn't doesn't
have enough credit in the bank to choose where he plays. Okay,
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So Tom Pelisero went on Colin Cowhart Show and said, this,
this is a really.
Speaker 13 (29:59):
Interesting one too, because remember Zach Wilson played a BYU,
he's from out there. He obviously didn't work out for
him in New York. So you get him back home,
you get him for virtually nothing in terms of a
late round pick swap.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Now I got him back home.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
Yeah, you get him back The first eight seconds of
that was complete gibberish. That means nothing. He played at
a college that is a state adjacent to Colorado, still
a very long drive, A chance to get him back home,
get him back in the mountains. I think the Broncos
made an interest was can we get somebody who played
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in the mountain time zone so we can get them
back home. It's complete gibberish. I hate geology analysis and
Pelisar was a good guy. I kind of like him,
but he fell right into the trap. I can't stand that.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
He's from Utah as well, so it's like I love
to get him back home. Like how does that.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
Big sky country?
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Where does that work?
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Mountain?
Speaker 3 (30:56):
West Front Range? That's actually a rocky mountain called the
Front Range? At home on the range, getting back in
the Front Range.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
So I like these choices today. You got the reaction
to the Caleb Williams eccentricity, the reaction to the Bears
not giving up their pick, and then geography analysis.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
I've got to tell you I like the geography analysis
because we talked about it earlier this week and about
how it all kind of played out right. It's like
you spoke it into fruition. So for that, Tom pelis
are who we like.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
Why are we doing this?
Speaker 2 (31:36):
I do.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Because we can.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
So Rafshid Wallace he was interesting as a player and
he's become a very interesting quote as a podcaster. He
went after Tobias Harris this week.
Speaker 10 (31:53):
I can't really blame buddy though, you know what I mean,
because he just got here. But I can motherfucking blame
Tobias's with his shit though.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (32:01):
And if you're listening, yeah, we're mad with you too, dog.
You gotta step that shit the fuck up. Yo, you're
getting all that bread.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
Yo.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
We need more than five for twelve for ten points.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
By the way, that's what every locker room I've ever
been in sounds like. And I hear that one. We're
telling this just like you're coming at halftime, you're coming
after the game, and everybody's talking like, yo, man, yo, man,
we got, we got we can't drop you drop this game,
can't drop this game. Blah blah blah blah blah. And
then and then some old head in the back says this.
Speaker 10 (32:30):
I can't really blame buddy though, you know what I mean,
because he just got here. But I can mother fucking
blame Tobias with his shit though. Yeah, and if you're listening, yeah,
we're mad with you too, dog. You gotta step that
shit the fuck up.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Yo.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
You're getting all that bread, yo. We need more than
five for twelve for ten points.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Yes, yes, Ross sheid, that's what it actually sounds like
people ask all the time, like, man, what's it really
likely locker room? That's just like like when they talk,
you talk about girls sometimes often not that much. You know,
if they did, it's it's usually not you don't talk
about girls. You actually like it's about other other chicks.
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But hoop, that's what it's. That's what it sounds like.
And dudes are like, yo, who you could?
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Who you?
Speaker 3 (33:19):
Motherfucking guys would go chest to chest and then if
it's rashid he carries a little bit of respect, you go, ay, sheet,
I got you, I got you, I got you all right,
Like he gave Buddy heel to pass because Buddy just
got to to to to the sixers, like what he's
been in the league for a decade. He has one job,
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shoot the basketball. He didn't get any pass. But again, Rushie,
this is rush she he's talking. You just let him
do his thing. It was fucking beautiful. That was a
beautiful cut. That's what locker rooms sound like. People like,
what does it sound like when they because because you know,
you always have the coach go in and speak to
the team and they're like, all right, baby, bring it
up up that's what it actually sounds like. What's it
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sound like at halftime or a postgame the sister game?
This is good, sound like.
Speaker 10 (34:08):
I can't really blame Buddy though, you know what I mean,
because he just got here. But I can mother fucking
blame Tobias with his shit though. Yeah, and if you're listening,
he we're mad with you too, doog. You gotta step
that shit the fuck up.
Speaker 8 (34:21):
Yo.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
You're getting all that bread.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
Yo.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
We need more than five for twelve or ten points, so.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
Good, more than five for twelve or six points, so
fucking good, so good. Why can we play for you?
Because we can just get you our pick of the day.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Okay, sir, the bet is to you in baby, it's
time for the Pick of the day.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Pick of the day comes to us from the NBA
where last night, sorry my son's pick. I did tell
you that all the underdog I said, all three underdogs
I liked, and then I ended up the pick of
the day was the Sons. That was the only underdog
that did not win. Obviously they did not cover. So
tonight you got Oklahoma City and New Orleans, Miami and Boston.
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I wouldn't touch the Miami one. Although I would I
would consider teasing it and taking Miami as a massive dog,
even though they don't have Jimmy Butler, just to keep
that thing relatively close. But New Orleans Oklahoma City speaks
to me. We've seen so many of these second games
be held in the balance, and I think this game
is one in which it's going to be really, really
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close because I don't know how Oklahoma City gets tougher
on the boards, and they really only have one guy
that can create shots. So I think New Orleans got
a shot to win. But eight points tonight is tasty.
I'll take that. Give me New Orleans and the points.
That's my pick of the day. That's it for the end.
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